dark tidings (Darktide for people in the searchbar)

[heavy geyser]

Not in the visual skeletal popsicle stick way but, you are peeling off the armor.

[regal pendant]

Aye

[ionic tusk]

I did not know this was a thing, I don't think it appears on potato graphics at all 🤔

I remember hitting arms and not realizing it made me go crazy when I was trying to test some damage thing on the trapper

[regal pendant]

I think

I may be a Knife Vet convert

Fast as shit, weirdly good at horde clear, and when it isn't?

https://tenor.com/view/doggo-big-iron-gif-19017452

Just mow down a few poxwalkers with my big iron and go fucking nuts with the melee attack speed buff

[marsh gyro]

Bonus points if you use the bonus damage after sprinting node with run n' gun revolver

[regal pendant]

I would but I find it feels vaguely too tedious for my tastes

...though maybe I'm just using it wrong

That attack speed buff is SO fucking fun though

[marsh gyro]

It's a better blessing on the braced revolver than the aimed one yeah

[regal pendant]

BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG and then just

https://tenor.com/view/pelea-fighting-anime-punch-hit-gif-16417539

[marsh gyro]

Aimed one weapon spec you can take hand cannon and crucian

[regal pendant]

I do use a Run n Gun braced, I just don't care for the +damage after sprinting node for some reason

I know the braced is objectively worse in every single metric beyond ammo but it's so goddamn stylish

...god the braced revolver needs a buff BAD

Less spread namely

[ionic tusk]

I believe it also has faster reload due to not being rounds-reload

[regal pendant]

Aye

It's worse in all but two regards

[regal pendant]

...what is up with Clandestine Gloriana spamming the shit out of specials and elites

Particularly in the "power up the shuttle" sequence, it feels like half the shit that you're fighting is either an elite or a special

[spiral badger]

genuinely for that event it's because nobody understands how to do it and thus everyone gets overwhelmed fighting in weird places allowing 6 million waves to spawn

as a map as a whole, i genuinely think it's because of the verticality

anywhere you ahve multiple elevation levels more shit spawns

likely because spawn triggers for other levels get hit

[regal pendant]

Ugh

[spiral badger]

the intent for that event is you move with the electricity

it marches from left to right

and if you follow it you'll alwayws be on time for the resets

[ionic tusk]

it's still not always easy, esp. since typically only one person will be following it and unable to defend themselves

and you can kinda get screwed by enemies in the way

it goes really fast if it works out though
and it prevents people from endlessly starting the sequence but never progressing

[ionic tusk]

it's visible and starts in the back row
once you do the breaker for the row you can go to the leftmost pillar on the next row

when you succeed in time it'll skip having to wait for it to redo the entire sequence up to that point

and if you don't succeed in time you just restart as normal

[sonic elbow]

I have never succeeded at the fast way in my entire life

[marsh gyro]

One way to make the section easier if you have a team member specialized in deleting gunners is to post them up high due to LOS on the full grid and have 2 others on poxwalker/rager duty in the middle

Surgical Bolter or Vigilant Autogun does huge work

[ionic tusk]

I have a couple times but usually I lose more health that way than if I had taken it slow because I dive the objectives unprotected lmao

and half my attempts I run into an elite pack spawn midway and have to give up and kill them
it could be maulers, ragers, gunners- stuff that will just Kill You if you try to do it in 3+ of their faces

[drowsy tusk]

Cool rave lights

[marsh gyro]

<@&1042950387478560878> Who wants to do weekend Tidings

[brazen fossil]

i think I just made the perfect vet

its so durable

[marsh gyro]

Is the vet 300 toughness

[fierce marten]

Damn vet can get 300 toughness?

[brazen fossil]

270

I'm not sure 300 is doable

[marsh gyro]

270 is huge and might as well be 300, got a screen of the talent tree?

[brazen fossil]

you bet

[marsh gyro]

I sure hope this is using a gun with Inspiring Barrage blessing too

[brazen fossil]

yeah

about that

I find killing the enemies first is also tankiness

I do have an auttogun with inspiring barrage

but the revolver is just so

[marsh gyro]

This is pretty much my weapon spec Vet to a T except it's Sunder/Thrust on the melee

[brazen fossil]

its a classic

[ionic tusk]

have you tried weapon specialist's toughness regen? it can get really silly for passive upkeep if you swap back and forth after 1 kill every now and then (plus it'll make the revolver much less painful since you can also pick up the one that reloads it)

[brazen fossil]

I have

I just have a deep hate for weapon specialist

[ionic tusk]

understandable
it is very finnicky

[spiral badger]

weapon spec is the best though

ogryn version of it is even better though

[brazen fossil]

Weapons specialist makes me switch weapons in situations where I should not be switching weapons

[spiral badger]

you don't have to

it's a bonus, not a requirement

[brazen fossil]

That's not how my brain works

[spiral badger]

also with the right weapons any moment is the right moment

bolt pistol is basically ideal

draw speed is instant, firing with the boom boom blessing staggers

[brazen fossil]

My brain is wired to try and maximize the uptime

[spiral badger]

so you never lose time

[brazen fossil]

Yeah the bolt pistol works really well

[spiral badger]

the ogryn version is even more manageable thoguh

since its spend is on firing

[brazen fossil]

Weapon specialist just really doesn't work for me

[spiral badger]

rather than just swapping

[brazen fossil]

I avoid the orgyn version as well

[ionic tusk]

I have the opposite problem
I'll fidget with my weapons and then bam
no stacks

and running around at not-full while being actually full once you account for the pocket reload feels like an itch

I still run it because I have even greater issues with the targeting system (and being able to reload without actually reloading is really nice on revolver) but it's really annoying

[marsh gyro]

I like middle tree vet for "no thinky only shooty"

[split mantle]

Not talked in here for a bit but.. Erm.. How is the Combat Axe vs the Tactical Axe? What's like, the difference?

[marsh gyro]

Combat axes can have better cleave and armor performance whereas tactical axes swing faster and crit more and crit harder - combat axes are good for big swings and tactical axes for many precise swings on weak spots

[split mantle]

I see. Which would be a better pair with a shotgun?

[marsh gyro]

Depends if you need a carapace buster or not - Brutal Momentum / Thunderous is a great combat axe combo for crushers and big targets while if you're using kraks or zealot charge or brain burst you can get away with tactical axe vs all other targets besides carapace

[split mantle]

Stunstorm and relic.

[marsh gyro]

yeah you'll want a combat axe in that case since shotgun can handle shooters and big big crowds while combat axe is a good generalist

[ionic tusk]

tac axe is very silly and you can just light attack carapace to death if you sacrifice your ears to the clang clang clang

or maybe I was using it wrong when I mained it lmao
but it has a surprisingly good carapace mult on the lights and awful heavies

[ionic tusk]

of course
the dueling sword can also do this, it just has better things to do

[marsh gyro]

yeah light crits do like 340 damage and crit heavies do like 400 so it's much faster to chip it down with lights

[split mantle]

Tried the duelling sword.. Just.. Just felt wrong.

[ionic tusk]

which mark? and how were you using it?

[split mantle]

No idea which mark, and it was just in testing.

So I was trying all its attacks.

[ionic tusk]

try mark 4
it's the one people actually use

it's heavies are only stabs and it's lights are only swings

it has combat blade speed and is probably one of the best (if not the best) anti-armor melees in the game- and while it has lackluster hordeclear it's still perfectly useable against hordes

like comparing it to the tac axe I used
it's +.2 speed and useable heavies with similar lights

it's not for everyone but it can be used fairly flexibily

lights for hordes and heavies for stronger enemies
or heavies for everything
or mix more freely

[split mantle]

Found a wild Mk.IV, gonna try it a second time.

[ionic tusk]

it is definitely very 'stab everyone in the face' though

[split mantle]

Perhaps it's because I'm testing it with a 44% damage one, but.. Wait hold on, you don't have to fully charge a heavy to get max damage? Now I feel very stupid.

[ionic tusk]

yeah, charging only matters for thrust and an ogyrn talent iirc

it's mostly just holding it to wait for a better chance to swing

[ionic tusk]

blessings will probably also help- it has access to a LOT of good ones like uncanny strike, and then a bunch of dodge related ones that won't do anything in testing

[ionic tusk]

stat wise you can dump mobility and be faster than a tac axe that took max mobility iirc

[split mantle]

Also charge time seems to matter on the Heavy Evicerator?

[heavy geyser]

I don't think it actually makes a damage number difference

[marsh gyro]

Yeah chain weapons are a little weird because you want them to cleave through folks but they'll sticky a little bit on the last folk

[fierce marten]

I thought unless you have something thay specifies fully charged, it is just the limit on how long you can hold a heavy attack. I've kind of been just releasing heavy Melee the moment it would be a heavy instead of light

[marsh gyro]

Teammate grabs a grim, I type "4 da grimperor," this means there's time for two pox bursters to jump on me which kills me instantly from the extra corruption from the grim.

Peak Darktide!

[fierce marten]

If someone grabs a grim, I'm also grabbing one

If we're already on a timer we going hard

[brazen fossil]

The whole team panicking while my stupid 75% corruption resistance ass not noticing I've picked up a grim and not a scripture

[brazen fossil]

<@&1042950387478560878> anyone interested in couple games in about 70 minutes?

[drowsy tusk]

I’m down

[brazen fossil]

Coming in 10

Just getting my coffee

[drowsy tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/ogryn-stk-goedulf-spin-rotate-gif-5132349500874882306

40K version of a hawaiian shirt

[brazen fossil]

Complications complications I'm on my way

[drowsy tusk]

@pine mountain

[spiral badger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrj26xJr8-8

[regal pendant]

...that is incredibly cool looking, holy shit

[drowsy tusk]

Give that a thrust+ brutal momentum crucis hammer for peak horde reaping vibes

I’m assuming that’s a tunder hammer

[sacred pagoda]

I took a break for like six months and come back to find that the recon lasgun is still stupid fun.

That’s all I needed to know.

[marsh gyro]

It rules and all 3 of them rule in different ways, I've been doing sharpshooter stance with a chain axe and gold super marks

[sacred pagoda]

I usually carry a chain axe, but I’ve been eying the chainsword.

[fierce marten]

Big fan of Recon Lasgun mk7 for fun little gunpsyker and veteran builds

[sacred pagoda]

I mostly play Veteran. I like being able to mark targets and yell at people to get them on their feet.

[marsh gyro]

Chain sword's super good too yeah

[split mantle]

Which erm, makes a good "laser machine gun"?

Cpt. Clem Cuddlecakes ↩️

[Reply to:](#1159883850562932826 message) It rules and all 3 of them rule in different ways, I've been doing sharpshooter stance with a chain …

[sonic elbow]

I forgor because of the mark name change but I think it was the second one

iirc they're... the garden hose, the relatively normal, and the extra ammo consumption for penetrating shots

garden hose is comical with crit builds but the normal is what I'd take for sustained fire without all in crit investment

the penetrating one looks cool but is beaten at its job by the other two just shooting more and harder sadly

[heavy geyser]

For most guns the blue mark shoots faster/weaker shots, the tan one shoots slower/stronger shots and the green one is the middle option. There's one or two exceptions but most are built like this.

Penetration is good for a horde clearing gun opposite a single-target melee weapon, that's the case with the braced autogun marks at least.

[drowsy tusk]

Respectfully disagree, the base punch through makes other blessings that add more better, all blessings/talents that add power add a combination of damage and pierce that makes it an excellent horde hose

[marsh gyro]

2.7 cleave jumps up huge with strength bonuses

[fierce marten]

Psyker and the talent for cleave with warp makes it pretty nice at mixed hordes which makes disrupt destiny easy in a horde if you shoot in the general area of the glow

And high crit for the talent with burn stacks on crit. Fun but struggles against carapace

[sacred pagoda]

Praise the Emperor and pass the ammunition.

[regal pendant]

hnghk

Oooooooooooooh that's peak

[fierce marten]

Maybe I should look up more stuff for darktide, I just learned about the shroudfield double stab

I understand knife for boss damage now

[ionic tusk]

🤔 a lot of stuff seems like it'd be hard to look up (2025 internet moment)

[fierce marten]

A good amount of sources are before unlocked and unloaded, and then people parrot those posts without ever testing it but they are confident and reinforce the meta so up votes they get

Videos are mostly reliable assuming they're testing a single mechanic and you can literally see and replicate it in psykariun, but darktide content creators bore me that's entirely on me

[ionic tusk]

a lot of the posts are also just wrong in the first place
but I was more talking about how most info is behind closed doors now in chats

lotsa word-of-mouth

[fierce marten]

Oh yea, trying to find information on darktide that isn't stuff on the top builds of the lantern is a pain

Toughness regen curio one was one I was like, it was so easy to just test it and no one questioned it and just assumed it was good for years

[ionic tusk]

what about it?

[sonic elbow]

trying to learn about darktide mechanics will just put you in a wash cycle of people arguing about tanner

[fierce marten]

It only applies to toughness granted by coherency really, which in most games you're constantly surrounded so it's turned off most of the time

[ionic tusk]

tanner left after being deaththreated out of the community right?

surely people will pick a new scapegoat eventually

[fierce marten]

His early videos are really grating to me and I never watched it but a few of them are good sources on how mechanics work in detail

[ionic tusk]

oh yeah [I will now share my hearsay]
it is useful on some ogyrn builds I've heard though
and notably it decreases the time for it to activate
however, last I heard there's still the bug where enemies doing prolonged death animations stall it

[fierce marten]

I don't play Ogyrn really so I don't know.

[ionic tusk]

(my personal opinion on tanner is that they were usually right about stuff, but had a very distinct direction in mind for how the game should be changed to deal with these problems that most opposed, including me)

[fierce marten]

But you can get a funny loner build with triple toughness regen and the coherency talent. I wouldnt bring it to havoc 40 but it was fun

[fierce marten]

The truest game dev wisdom I will ever hear about community feedback. Being good at spotting problems isn't the same as good at solving problems and vice versa

[ionic tusk]

I think it was more
they wanted vermintide 2: two
but everyone else who wants that is just still playing vermintide2, and the bulk of the darktide community has different wants

[fierce marten]

Yea that's how I hear it was, basically did a gamble and rehauled their early development into what it is now

[ionic tusk]

I think trying to make VT2: 2 would be a disaster from a population (not gameplay) perspective: most of the people who want to play that already gave darktide their shot and went back to VT2, and it would alienate the players that came to darktide for what it offers now

also even if it succeeded, at best it just kills VT2, which is still being supported fully

[fierce marten]

I like DarkTide gameplay better than Vermintide 2. Vermintide 2 had great voice lines and the enemies were real tight knit designed and gameplay being slow means it benefits you a lot more to know mechanics and be methodical to hordes.

Vermintide also had the advantage of being released and updated for like 10nyears?

[sonic elbow]

darktide is utter chaos and I enjoy that

[ionic tusk]

very gremlin 🙂‍↕️

[sonic elbow]

it tickles my misaligned brain

[fierce marten]

Darktide is quicker pace and generally more forgiving imo, you can get to auric maelstrom just based on fast reflexes and learned timing to compensate for not knowing mechanics as well. Which is what I would say before havoc was a thing

[ionic tusk]

I like shooting and stabbing specialists

[fierce marten]

That's basically all I try to do. I think trappers have ended more runs than any other enemy for me

[ionic tusk]

actually mortis trials makes me have to clarify that elites 'n stuff also have to be present otherwise specialist don't really work lmao

[fierce marten]

And all the monstrosities

Basically the very big distraction from the elites and specialists

[ionic tusk]

I think I shall mortis now actually
need to grind it for some penances

[fierce marten]

Also the poxburster through a beast of nurgle or trapper shooting through ogyrns

[ionic tusk]

mortis still doesn't remember difficulty lmao
gonna have to get the mod to fix that eventually ig

[regal pendant]

Lord this goes hard

[marsh gyro]

Infantry autogun?

[wintry plaza]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnS4KrViqyQ

[regal pendant]

BOLTER, BAYBEEEEEEE

[regal pendant]

Genestealers fighting Admonition, maybe?

I doubt that it's a player class, too low to the ground and too fast

[wintry plaza]

Cyber-mastiff perhaps?

[regal pendant]

Maybe, but that would necessitate a new class, and idk what niche a beastmaster would fill that the others don't

You've got your Shooty McShooterface, you've got your Angry Man With A Big Sword, you've got your Glass Cannon That's Actually Not Glass If You Play Well, and you've got your Big Tank, what role would a beastmaster serve?

[ionic tusk]

I really, really hope it's not an ai companion class
those usually suck because you're at the whims of their ai
and the darktide targeting system would make them impossible to control on top of usually jank

(plus I don't think more classes is a good idea, more subclasses maybe, but more classes to inflate the grind further would be p lame imo)

[regal pendant]

I hope it's genestealers

[ionic tusk]

somehow you look like this to me lmao

oops sorry ping

[fierce marten]

I wouldnt mind a new class if it's unique but was mentioned what niche would it fill? Darktide's classes have a lot of "subclass" options that cover the gambit

[marsh gyro]

We still got room for a gunzerker

[ionic tusk]

I think they also need more work to make more of them on par

gunzerker as in duel wielding or what?

[marsh gyro]

Yeah like the Borderlands 2 class

[ionic tusk]

all of the classes can kinda do that
just minus the dual wielding bit

vet'd probably fulfill the gun fantasy more if executioner's stance wasn't so subpar

I could maybe see like, dual shredder autopistols 🤔

but I don't think the game is meant to be goofy to the point of dual wielding rifles

at that point it'd probably be competing with psyker staves for clouds of damage 💀

[regal pendant]

...I forgot how skinny those base arms are, holy

[marsh gyro]

I've been running stance a lot lately and the ammo efficiency is super noticeable

[ionic tusk]

what are you doing with the guns? like what is the gameplay niche they fill in the executioner's stance build

[marsh gyro]

Medium Recon lasgun one tapping mooks to the head with just enough cleave to get 2 poxwalkers with one shot

[fierce marten]

Dual bolter, you take shoulder damage

I wouldn't want a class added just to have a 5th. It'd have to be entirely new from current classes and given that darktide skill trees are really in-depth compared to most horde games thats a big ask.

[regal pendant]

Yeah, like

What would a fifth class do that the other four can't

[fierce marten]

If I had to add anything to classes it'd be extra nodes and talent as a part of revised thing but I don't imagine that'd happen that's a ton of dev to do. Destiny 2 did it with 2.0 and 3.0 classes but Bungo rakes in tons of money for CEO Pete's new car

[ionic tusk]

I could see like partial replacements to the talent tree as interesting
but I don't think the devs have enough mastery over the current trees to remotely pull that off, they're too lopsided

plus it'd be complicated as hell @.@

[fierce marten]

Darktide's trees are pretty complex already, I don't really expect classes to ever be touched besides adjusting numbers for balance.

[fierce marten]

What is this teaser even

I hope it's not a pvp mode where one side is cultists and the other moebian 6

The trailer kind of looks like POV of something not human

[soft summit]

My guess is Genestealers

They've been implied for some time

[fierce marten]

Probably sefoni mentions a warp null and Tyranids mess with the warp by existing

[regal pendant]

...I think I might need to get that one mod that makes trappers more noisy

[fierce marten]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/384

Trapper that never shuts up

[regal pendant]

Yeah, that one

[heavy geyser]

Zealot has never been worked the way the other three have and as the game has shaken out there's really just two builds.

crit and no-crit

[fierce marten]

Hey there's sneaky ninja crit, talk crit, and frontlines crit.

I feel pain when I look at Zealot tree when I've seen psyker and veteran

[marsh gyro]

All they gotta do is swap Loner aura with literally any bonus and that tree will be wild

[fierce marten]

Veteran just has a lot of really good nodes near the bottom so you can't really grab them all. Psyker it's basically a web middle and down you can just reach any of them no matter where you start

[fierce marten]

It does have a bonus, If Loner Knife Zealot runs 3 rooms ahead and dies to a specialist then they get replaced with a teammate that sticks together.

[marsh gyro]

"But doctor, I am the Loner Knife Zealot!"

[fierce marten]

I wished loner gave an aura bonus so your teammates aren't slightly downgraded for the coherency based stuff

Any vet that starts middle will never see the full bonus

It's like an anti aura for everyone else

[ionic tusk]

yeah vet's build diversity is mostly bottom loaded although there's some side paths off the main route

this is basically every serious havoc vet build that isn't trying to meme a lil'

[ionic tusk]

I do think zealot has more diversity here because the paths you can take to crit and no crit are varied
even if you generally want to hit the same broad strokes

fury of the faithful/chorus and beacon support/aura that does something in games that aren't the blight spreads

🤔 I don't think I've seen high level momentum builds, so I'd more define it as crit ability spam/martrydom and fury/chorus as the two main choices

like all of this isn't to say you can't run other things
they just won't accomplish as much and you'll have to try a lot harder

[regal pendant]

PUT THA KARKIN BOOT IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN

[ionic tusk]

did I share the "delete chaos spawn" build someone showed me here

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ed13e73-99a3-4909-b441-9624a63abd15/my-team-doesnt-know-how-to-dodge-dance-a-spawn

I respect the hustle

[ionic tusk]

you can't get psykinetic aura with assail, and this makes me sad

🤔 looking at the trees, ogyrn also has some nodes that can't be selected with certain abilities (the two far sides)

[regal pendant]

I hate that if you take one skill you're locked out of a good 2-3 nodes that are really good

[ionic tusk]

they buffed assail and nerfed psykinetic's aura
but it's still the best node in the game

psyker puts in a ton of work even (well, technically more) when not doing cookie-cutter though, it just loses the sheer support power

[ionic tusk]

if they gave vet the ogyrn blitz treatment and moved demo stockpile (the nade recharge talent above shout that makes pathing to non-shout painful at times) to directly below the blitzes I'm betting build diversity up there would skyrocket, and the best vet builds would take a slight hit having to take a different node to get to voice of command

well. maybe not skyrocket too considerably for high havocs like I've been framing this with
my main issue is that not only is this the meta, you typically pay more tax nodes to play slightly off-meta than full meta

[fierce marten]

I will say Zealot has a similar dealio with this

Lot of the strong zealot nodes are near top

But always ends with invocation of death

[ionic tusk]

fair

[fierce marten]

I love Zealot and the talents but the shape of the talent tree could use work

[ionic tusk]

I think it's less problematic than vet tho because you can potentially deviate for less tax nodes
granted this will heavily limit your ability to pull off a crit build which is generally more effective

beacon being so important for blight spreads also forces some diversity

[fierce marten]

2 zealots with beacon feels bad if youre one of them

[ionic tusk]

like the effective top right is at least on the total opposite side to the until death/duelist grouping

[fierce marten]

Yea like every other side just has a dense cluster of strong talents

[heavy geyser]

Momentum is like Fury for non-crit builds. I run it on my Relic Blade and it lets me chunk 1/3 health off a monstrosity with dash heavy.

[ionic tusk]

1/3rd health on what difficulty? damnation? mid havoc? high havoc?

[fierce marten]

Ideally the meta talents would be spread between the 3 paths, cause not many people even touch top left side. It'd be a big shakeup though and I imagine zealot mains would be very vocal about change

[ionic tusk]

I touch top left exclusively to crutch with bleed for the emperor and martrydom 😂

it's definitely not good though

[fierce marten]

Martyr builds are the exception, triple wounds curios is a thing

[ionic tusk]

I run double because I am awful at stamina management 😔

[heavy geyser]

aurics

[ionic tusk]

🤔 oh and with what ability

[fierce marten]

I love my push shove attacks, clear space and follow up with heavy. Alt into heavy is stamina free but there's situations you need some space

[heavy geyser]

its stacked relic blade power on, 15 momentum, shroudfield dash heavy on weakspot/backstab finesse bonuses

it is a mini bonk

great on beasts of nurgle, getting both weakspot and backstab on chaos spawn or plague ogryn is trickier but you can still just get the weakspot or backstab finesse boost off shroudfield

and if anyone else in the party has a damage up aura that stacks too

lemme see if I have a video clip

[ionic tusk]

I should cheerleader you with chorus someday lmao

for that sweet +30% damage

[heavy geyser]

the shroudfield finesse boosts stack really nicely with whatever is going on with the dash heavy

[ionic tusk]

thrusting attack/10 for sure

[heavy geyser]

It's my favorite combo, I love to just run in and hit a monstrosity with my big sharp flagpole

My belief is crit builds are all or nothing, and since relic blade doesn't have good blessings to help sustain high crits I built it for no-crits

and that's Momentum

which does this

[ionic tusk]

there's also martrydom
but that's more... demanding of build changes

🤔 kinda all or nothing also I guess

[heavy geyser]

I think by definition is an "almost nothing" capstone

[ionic tusk]

hm?

[fierce marten]

Does knife still 2 shot monsters on auric

I see videos of it but a lot has changed in 1-2 years

[ionic tusk]

if it works in heresy/damnation respectively it should work in those aurics
and what conditions? (I don't really know, I mostly see thunder hammer/martrydom/stealth vets if they're not running crits)

[fierce marten]

https://youtu.be/srNicOwXi58?si=_H1pIArYOG_D0kJW

This was 8 months ago

Happens 12 seconds in

[heavy geyser]

oh its this guy

[fierce marten]

I don't know how it works, I didn't watch the full video

[heavy geyser]

you can get double-attacks with shroudfield

there's about a half-second grace period when you activate where the effects will apply without dispelling it, I think to prevent losing cloak on mash

[fierce marten]

Oh yea I recently learned about the double stab

[heavy geyser]

so you can prep a heavy attack, shroudfield just before it lands in the half-second window, get the finesse bonus, and then go around back to get a second one

[ionic tusk]

🤔 I don't think knife has been nerfed in that time so it probably still works

I tried using knife but I didn't like how the combos worked so I gave up on it 😔

[fierce marten]

When I saw this I was lïke, it's not all that far off from martyr hammer damage but much less setup

[ionic tusk]

wonder if it works on demonhosts also 🤔

[heavy geyser]

It works on everything that has a weakspot and a back

[ionic tusk]

like, to kill it before it can attack

[fierce marten]

I'm not trying for havoc 40 but at least auric maelstrom combat knife 6 has better horde clear and has similar breakpoints as 3, the big thing though is for overhead heavy you need to alt punch into heavy which to get a double stab I'm still trying to get

Double stab with knife 3 I've got down, DS has a huge window for double stabs

[ionic tusk]

apparently my thunder hammer friend uses the double attacks 🤔

[fierce marten]

It's something I'm trying out

Isn't that what martyr is for? Faster swing to get within double stab window otherwise it swings too slow

[heavy geyser]

The timing is on activating cloak, which you can do whenever. You can do it mid-swing or while charging heavy, you just press it before it lands.

[ionic tusk]

wait this is with combat stim I think, can see it in the buff bar

[fierce marten]

That would explain it

[ionic tusk]

massive rending and damage buff

[fierce marten]

I didn't realize it was that massive of a damage buff

[ionic tusk]

25% damage AND rending

rending damage boost is always ??? due to depending on so many factors

[opaque crown]

I feel like... the knife shouldn't be able to so easily outperform the thunderhammer in its own single niche arena

[marsh gyro]

What metric are you thinking because the Thunder Hammer boops monstrosities the best still

[spiral badger]

yeah the issue is primarily that the knife is better at basically everything else

but the thammer is still your one stop shop for monster beating

[wintry plaza]

I wished it wasn't so good

I don't like the zealot's best weapon is a combat knife

[spiral badger]

technically it's probably the dueling sword

also i kinda like having a drunken fanatic in rags with a knife just jumping poxwalkers

it's funny

[opaque crown]

I was seeing from that above video that the knife outperforms the thunder hammer at boss killing with just a couple buffs? Or was I misunderstanding something

The quick two shot seemed quite good

[marsh gyro]

Combat stim, shroudfield double stab, and a stationary ogryn does wonders

In practice everything is flailing around and exploding and if you whiff the timing on one swing the hammer is more forgiving of follow ups

[regal pendant]

...oh mein gott that looks good as hell

[soft summit]

Mod or ornament?

[regal pendant]

Mods

Extended Weapon Customization and For The Drip

[fierce marten]

It's arguable, I think on paper knife can specialize better than DS. The biggest boon to DS is it's easy to use and pilot without building around it, using knife usually requires positioning or setup with bleed first or something and imo more things you need to do in a chaotic game like darktide means more opportunities to make mistakes. And ime mistakes are what ends runs once you're used to harder content.

[ionic tusk]

it had a ton of buffs tbf
tanner makes a point about how it's not all the buffs
but combat stimm is huge

[ionic tusk]

knife is probably still a lot simpler than some other weapons tho like relic blade

[fierce marten]

I'd agree with that, a big reason imo that it was considered the best before DS was available

It's basically like LMB spam with occasional heavy attacks from punch or shove and it can kill any enemy well.

Other weapons sans DS either need more setup or easy to use but can't deal with certain enemies well

[regal pendant]

...among who

[ionic tusk]

us

[fierce marten]

What if the real heretics was the friends we made along the way? - My Ogryn, Jeen Stee Lur

[fierce marten]

I read a funny comment about the teaser video. They made Zealot be on all 4s because that's just normal knife zealot gameplay but lower

[regal pendant]

It's gonna just be a buffed poxhound event isn't it

[fierce marten]

Modifer where its only hounds

[ionic tusk]

hounds can knock each other off I think???

[fierce marten]

Really thatd be funny

[ionic tusk]

or at least somewhat interfere with each other while jumping at the same time (?)

[ionic tusk]

but, hunting grounds is already a thing and anything more extreme than that will probably be easier, not harder, due to specialization

[regal pendant]

Mfw napalm grenade

[heavy geyser]

They said its a "huge update"

[ionic tusk]

so probably a cyber mastiff to match the rogue trader update (thematic 40k push in the background?) or genestealers

[fierce marten]

So is cyber mastiff like a class in rogue trader or a companion to an NPC?

I have no clue how it would fit as an ally, big if it was a class, maybe it's like a replacement to AI bots?

Cybermastiffs being short means they'll never block LoS really

[ionic tusk]

I'd think it'd be a class if it is that
and if it is I'd expect it to go awfully as the problems with ai and the problems with the targeting system combine to cause as much issues as possible

[fierce marten]

If its a class i cant wait for all dog lobbies

[ionic tusk]

just realized now you were probably asking about the other game
it's like a uh, subclass I guess?
the class system of the game has tiers and you pick one from each tier (?)
(* I didn't get very far and played before the update with pets)

[fierce marten]

1st sentence for rogue trader, 2nd for darktide

[opaque crown]

shouldnt knife be like... generally worse against armor? I guess from like a internal weapon balance perspective? It' feels weird for it to be like the... generalist really good weapon

You'd think one of the generalist weapons would be more decent at all-rounding, like the shovel or something

[ionic tusk]

I think a lot of weapons are well rounded enough
so then the best ones are the ones that are also standout strong on top of well rounded

[fierce marten]

Darktide has never followed much sense to 40k, chain weapons are kind of just better than bladed ones in lore and power weapons are just objective upgrades as Melee weapons and relic blades are super rare power weapons to the point some space marine chapters and most inquisitors will never have them

[spiral badger]

To be fair, our power weapons and relic weapons seem kind of like the crappiest versions they have

[ionic tusk]

and all the weapons are hand-me-downs

... maybe atoma is where weapons go to die after they've lived out their service lives lmao

[fierce marten]

Except the knife, I'd imagine even someone from Catachan would struggle to hurt a plague Ogyrn or carapace armor with one.

Also the knife should be larger

[waxen patio]

the fact that random mooks (even us as proven inquisitorial conscripts) can even be in the same room as thunder hammers and relic blades is wild

[fierce marten]

Even a broken broken relic blade would go in a chapter's halls for display

Power sword, ours is not good compared to working lore ones

Vet's one fizzles out after 3 swings, needs new batteries

Although now thinking about it, if we really did have a real catachan knife, it would have to come from a dead catachan

40k's expert wilderness survivalist, probably can live on any deathworld they can breath in, and maybe some they can't.

[ionic tusk]

what if... we get all our weapons from gift stores

😆

"relic blade imitation (good for kids!)"

[fierce marten]

Imagine if that was true.

Brunt is getting chewed by Grendyl cause they can't be giving real power weapons to rejects, they're fake with lights so they go into a fight an Ogryn thinking they'll win and cheap to replace.

Brunt trying to explain they have no power weapons while Veteran is cutting flak with a light up blade

PC rejects just make it work

[spiral badger]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH

[fierce marten]

The bolter is just funnily shaped slug

Loose cannon vet does think they're actually unkillable

[ionic tusk]

not like, fake with lights, like extreme discount knockoffs

that are horrendously unsafe more than anything

because that's totally what they'd give to kids in 40k lmao

[fierce marten]

To be fair in 40k they'd give kids a real gun just in case

The exception is probably some agriworlds, cause some are so ladened with thick pesticides, fertilizers, and other chems that they're always in hazmat suits outside and a lasgun would ignite the mystery chemicals in the air and kill everyone in a large radius

[waxen patio]

yet more weight to the "Cult of the Warrior" theory that we're all indoctrinated into a psyker effect analogous to force battle meditation that juices us up into superhumans as long as we're fully bought into the act

[fierce marten]

Latent psykers are very real in 40k, it's possible Rejects are latent Psykers, even the Psyker.

I forgot if it was Yarrick or someone that basically because he's so fervant in his belief to conquer his enemies and/or others believd he's invincible so he solos an ork warboss which is a monster

Zealot for sure, holy relics are powerful but only certain people can actually channel it.

[waxen patio]

I wouldn't name all the rejects as latent psykers. The theory is that Grendel (or someone working for him) is the psyker who cultivates The Warrior identity that everyone gets indoctrinated to, and that somehow translates to the rejects all having Toughness and their miscellaneous feats of martial prowess.

[regal pendant]

...specials and elites need to be more "expensive" for the AI director to spawn

Tired of it constantly vomiting fifty of everything

[fierce marten]

Oh i see ive never heard of this theory but it makes sense thats what Sefoni is for and also mortus trials

[regal pendant]

ESPECIALLY on Hi Intensity Shock Trooper

[drowsy vine]

That's literally the point of HIST, though

If you don't like it, don't play with the modifier

[fierce marten]

Shock Troop does make it spawn more specialists than normally possible

As for elites thats just hi intensity, if youre during auric all of them have hi intesity

[regal pendant]

Eh, true

Just feels excessive at times

[opaque crown]

it feels excessive because it is excessive; but that's part of the fun imo

Just playin with your buds, non stop screaming as the specials just keep coming and you're trying to work with them to keep pushing through

[regal pendant]

...part of my issue may just be my zealot doesn't have good enough "delete this" buttons

Tried the same mission with the same modifier with my Psyker and it went... marginally better?

Mostly because I was able to lock down the specials with smite and stagger the fuck out of everything with my voidblast staff

Wish voidblast was more effective vs specials and elites, it's mad fun

[heavy geyser]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1082026299536719922/1371675825862213752/sipofdrugs.mp4?ex=6826a329&is=682551a9&hm=d710c5c111f39a526da39ce4e4c5ddb7deeab7a9e97d6c87bda7971b3dedef74&

[opaque crown]

The zealot with the Revolver is pretty good at dropping specials on demand

If not that, the bolt pistol and laspistols are pretty decent at snap shooting specials

Slug shotty and non braced auto is also half way decent at it if you can work around the longer draw times

Also throwing knives iirc? Great for on demand special slapping, at least the up close ones

[regal pendant]

Holy shit SER KROOBAH???

[fierce marten]

Really? Zealot has blades of faith which one shot many specialists and is basically faster than you can draw a revolver, also revolver and bolt pistol are available for something longer.

Chorus just staggers everything, it's a pause button that grants gold toughness that sticks around

[fierce marten]

It sounds like you prefer cc, cause those aren't delete options they're mostly stun locking unless voidblast can one shot more things than I remember

[heavy geyser]

blades of faith have a sharp drop-off arc and take a bit of aim compensation to hit some faraway targets

[fierce marten]

It is one of the zealots delete options but not the only one, hence the gun options work fine under 30+ havoc

[regal pendant]

Issue: Blades of Faith requires good aim

Which I lack

[regal pendant]

I play on controller too so it's INCREDIBLY hard to aim them

I used to use them alongside a flamthrower but then I realized it just wasn't worth the effort when I could just get a bolt pistol and throw fire nades

[fierce marten]

Ope that would do it for lack of ranged delete options on zealot

[regal pendant]

Yeah lmao

[fierce marten]

I redid my UI and theres so much less clutter

[sacred pagoda]

I just got back in and I mostly play on Malice. I haven’t seen a weapon drop that is stronger than what I’ve got already, do I have to play on a higher difficulty or what?

[fierce marten]

Drops cap at 380, you need to upgrade for 500

[sacred pagoda]

Also I wish it’d stop giving me an autogun after every mission. If I wanted to use something that wasn’t a lasgun, I wouldn’t be playing the closest thing we have to Imperial Guard Simulator.

But that’s just a gripe.

I think the strongest thing I have is 490?

ah wherever I’ll figure it out after work tomorrow.

[fierce marten]

Blessings are probably the most important part unless its real low its costly to upgrade

[marsh gyro]

Malice runs tend to drop blues so those are pretty good for getting mastery levels up

[heavy geyser]

the whole itemization system is completely different in both how it works and what you do with it

[regal pendant]

Aye, they revamped it for the better

[ionic tusk]

I would just suggest buying something in the shop instead of working with drops
then you can cruise around with it to unlock the mastery to upgrade it a bit
and eventually get a minmaxed version you like opportunitically

you can also spam buy (from the store that always has everything at low quality) stuff for stats but I've never had the need

eventually you will build up a ton of random drops which will be nice when you're trying out new gear, but it's hella biased towards the earlier weapons as far as I can tell

[ionic tusk]

I may be addicted to deleting specialists

I use vigilant autogun which is not the fastest at killing but is fairly accurate at range and staggers basically immediately
that alongside a surprisingly fast fire rate lets me stunlock specials extremely quickly then adjust my aim to finish them off, even in panic scenarios

no idea how it'll go on controller though

also ds4 for melee deletion and blades of faith for mid-range deletion, ammo saving, and when you get caught out mid reload

but the vigilant autogun is good at any range, just annoying to constantly reload after dealing with mid range enemies
the ammo economy can deal and the reloads aren't too long
it's just annoying lmao

[sacred pagoda]

I swear this is the least-stable game I've ever played and I've played heavily modded STALKER.

I have done literally nothing different with my computer and Darktide started spitting out an error asking if I could run D3L3Ldld or some shit and then validating the files just seems to have broken it worse, so I've uninstalled it entirely and I'll try again later.

[ionic tusk]

I think it hates certain computers

do you have mods?

[sacred pagoda]

Nope, vanilla.

[fierce marten]

That's pretty odd, I don't think I've run into issues with the vanilla game

[ionic tusk]

what are your graphics settings on?

[ionic tusk]

some people have constant issues
console in particular used to consistently crash like, every other game

[fierce marten]

Ah I don't play console at all

[ionic tusk]

it's not limited to just console

[fierce marten]

I do have issues but I trace it back to my many mods

It's always a mod, except for network and latency but that doesn't crash games but just makes hit boxes wonky

[ionic tusk]

my game basically never crashes outside of certain circumstances (usually involving going on certain screens without loading the mourningstar) that are 100% reliable crashes

but also I have potato'd it to hell and back 💀

[fierce marten]

I do have a very beefy computer

I definitely wouldn't run into crashes from maxing out performance

[ionic tusk]

not familiar with D3L3Ldld but some tests on your computer might help

[fierce marten]

I will say darktide is hard on many PCs

Lot of enemies and poor memory garbage collection issues leading to run out of memory unless you got much vram and ram

[marsh gyro]

It resets all the graphics settings every coupla patches so I was gonna say maybe check if DLSS or AMD frame generation got turned on for some reason but install and try later is a pretty solid play too

[ionic tusk]

also: when are the errors occuring? on boot? on initial load? on continued play?

[fierce marten]

Random fact but for a while darktide's FSR 3 setting was actually only fsr 2, they changed it to 3 while working on fsr 3 but were using 2 behind the scenes

And now it has real fsr 3 but behind the scenes it's labeled as 2

It messes with me when I sift through configs

[sacred pagoda]

It would fire up the launcher, then crash when I hit play.

[ionic tusk]

hm, if a total reinstall like you're planning doesn't fix it, I'd check if steam cloud saved some bricked settings somehow, and then check to see if there's any known problems with your hardware and darktide
and also do some memory/hardware tests if the problems persist

[fierce marten]

Maybe corrupted user configs. I'd check %AppData%/Fatshark/DarkTide and look for a user_settings.config. Create a copy of it as a backup, then delete it and run the game again to see if it makes a good configs

[sacred pagoda]

Looks like I just needed to update my GPU drivers. I didn’t notice there was an update.

[fierce marten]

Is it just me or is +3 stamina curios real common

I buy the max stats curios from brunt for the fun of it and I only have one 17% toughness curio, 4 21% HP curios, and 10 +3 Stamina Curios

[ionic tusk]

yes

there's some oddness where if it displays +3 it might not be (at 400 and lower)

🤔 unsure how much this happens to the others

I would guess for the proportions that maybe there's more range of +3 because that's only 3 buckets while 21% is a lot more, but honestly don't know

[ionic tusk]

I do think I have more 17% toughnesses than 21% healths but I pay more attention to the toughnesses

which could also be, it's way easier to see a +3 and go 'oh hey maxed curio' at a glance

(and to anyone else reading this wondering how we get so many maxed ones, imo it's mostly a matter of having mods to check faster ie being able to do so from the main menu without loading the mourningstar 4 times)

[fierce marten]

I forgot that was a mod, I'm so used to it

[fierce marten]

Dang rng hates me then

[ionic tusk]

basically all qol features are mods
except the psykinarium in a more central location which was only done for the mortis update because the shooting range was so painful to get to that they had to do something about it

[marsh gyro]

They want people to see the meticulously modeled ogryn sized psy beds

[distant surge]

i found something funny

[sacred pagoda]

What are recommendations for a recon lasgun blessing, etc.?

[distant surge]

i konw its early...but anyone wanna play?

[waxen patio]

Crit chances and the blessing that applies burning on crit

[sacred pagoda]

Gotcha.

[marsh gyro]

Fast recon lasgun likes the crit / burn blessings
Medium recon lasgun goes good with defensive stuff like hit and run and stripped down, or can spec offensively with Dumdum / Deathspitter.
Heavy lasgun actually goes kinda hard with the sustained fire / weak spot burst options but also does pretty good with the dumdum/deathspitter combo too

[sacred pagoda]

The recon is my favorite because I tend to prefer a bullet hose.

[marsh gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/archer-figgis-suppressing-fire-gif-12081794

[opaque crown]

I like it with my faux kasrkin set up because it's the closest to me to how I imagine hotshot lasguns to feel, more so than the helbore. The Recon has a spec ops vibe

[distant surge]

i like pew pew guns

isnt there a good recon lasgun build with psyker?

[marsh gyro]

Yeah the one that gives toughness on crit goes good with the turbo crits of the recon las

[regal pendant]

Gunker is pretty fun

[sacred pagoda]

I wish I could swap out the attachments. I want a bayonet.

[regal pendant]

Have you persnips taken a look at Extended Weapon Customization

[sacred pagoda]

No?

[regal pendant]

Should definitely give it a spin, I'm not sure if it'll let you stick a bayonet on the gun you're thinking of though

[sacred pagoda]

Where’s that?

[drowsy tusk]

It’s a mod, it won’t add the ability to stab but it does look cool

[sacred pagoda]

I’m good.

[ionic tusk]

mods can't add mechanics, even the flashlights it adds are essentially just an extra local light (and thus don't trigger demonhosts)

[opaque crown]

The main thing I've ever wanted out of that mod is better sights on the helbore. But I've never wanted that enough to install it

[ionic tusk]

yeah I hate darktide sights

[sacred pagoda]

I think they’re perfectly adequate.

[ionic tusk]

ehhh
most of the guns I use basically don't have sights and you cover what you want to shoot with the entire gun and hope it hits

some of the lazguns have actual sights but I'd still say they're not up to shooter-game standards

[sonic elbow]

the game being as tight as it is but hellbore STILL having a bare rail because they never got around to scope customization is peak fatshark

[ionic tusk]

honestly I don't consider darktide a shooter I consider it a horde shooter where fine aiming usually falls by the wayside

'imperium quality sights'

hmm
taking it to the vr I guess the revolver's sight is usable for sharpshooting
but it's not clear enough for snap shooting which is the vast majority of my shots

[ionic tusk]

which guns' sights do you like? or at least tolerate?

[heavy geyser]

which guns are those?

If you have trouble aiming irons you can ping your target and see their outline through the gun

putting your crosshairs on your target and then entering ADS helps, as well as raising the sights up from below or diagonally below

[sacred pagoda]

I’ve never used anything but a lasgun except for trying out a bolt pistol a couple of times because why the hell would I use an autogun in the closest thing I’m ever going to get to Imperial Guard Simulator?

All of the lasgun sights have been perfectly adequate.

I actually really like the holo sight on the infantry lasguns because it looks like a little chapel. It’s cool.

[sonic elbow]

and you aim it by putting a bell in it

[ionic tusk]

huh guess I've been doing that subconsciously
I realllly like pinging before I shoot
and, vigilant autogun and revolver mostly

[heavy geyser]

The lasguns and laspistol are basically the only things that use reflex sights, everything else uses irons or some amount of squinting

[ionic tusk]

yeah the laz weapons are the few weapons with holographic sights, purposefully an exception to how the bulk of other weapons act

[sacred pagoda]

Praise the Emperor and pass the ammunition.

I mostly use a recon lasgun that has iron sights and they’re also perfectly adequate. Not great, but good enough.

[ionic tusk]

so if the weapons explicitly designed with different sights are 'adequate' I don't think that bodes well for the rest of the game

[heavy geyser]

the helbore irons are very helpful and easy to aim witj if you start to see the FedEx Arrow in them: you know that big slab of gutter that makes up the rear sight? It forms a big triangle that points where its gonna shoot

[sacred pagoda]

I’ll give an autogun a chance and tell you what I think.

[heavy geyser]

you can use whatever you want

there's a whole genre of guns that hipfire instead of ADS

pack a plasma gun or a braced auto and don't even worry about sights

[ionic tusk]

then you get a crosshair
which is as good as it gets for sights imo

[heavy geyser]

iron sights genuinely work fine but if you don't know how to use them they might not make as much sense

[ionic tusk]

okay vigilant autogun doesn't have as bad sights as I remember, and that's probably because it's still not clear enough to use at the speed of the game

so I just do the ping and cover with gun thing

[opaque crown]

I actively avoid overcharging the plasma

[ionic tusk]

I am open to learn

[heavy geyser]

tangentally, the way the rumbler sights work is you put the line that matches the width of the shoulders on the guy you want to shoot on their shoulders and your arc will hit them

[ionic tusk]

I think that's standard, only charging to cleave through walls

[heavy geyser]

iron sights require you to focus your eyes on the front blade of the sight and put that where you want to shoot. The front post is your crosshair.

it'll shoot right where you're pointing it

[ionic tusk]

I'm not really following how else it would work? which makes me worry I'm misinterpreting that

[heavy geyser]

I'm not sure how else it would work that wouldn't work

Except for maneuvering the gun frame covering your target

If you can see what you want to shoot and put the front post on their head and click then they die, and it being an open sight instead of a closed scope allows for better peripheral awareness to move between targets

[drowsy tusk]

The front post is w i d e

[ionic tusk]

I have been spoiled by games that have scope innards and no frame to obscure stuff with ig lmao

[heavy geyser]

its as wide as a human head at range

cover the head, or put it just under their chin and see how that works

if you ping you can see the outline through the sights, which can help you acclimate to how to aim where you can shoot the green off a sniper peeking from a high platform without pinging

[regal pendant]

...god could you imagine if the thing in the trailer wasn't a pox hound, wasn't a cyber mastiff, wasn't even a jean stealer

But was instead a squig

No genestealer cults, no new classes, no halfassed pox hound event, DA GREENEST GITS IN ALLA DA GALAXY IZ COMIN ROUN FER A GOOD KRUMPIN

[heavy geyser]

yes please orks please

[drowsy tusk]

4v4v4 gorkamorka video game would go hard

[regal pendant]

I'd kill to fight me some orks

[sonic elbow]

I don't want any goblins teleported inside me

[soft summit]

Genestealers is still my guess

Given they have been implied for a long time

[regal pendant]

Yeah it's probably either genestealer cultists or some halfassed pox hound event that you get an alright portrait frame from

[soft summit]

Given the trailer looks pre-rendered, I'm assuming it's gonna be a bigger update

[regal pendant]

Here's hoping

[heavy geyser]

re: the iron sights talk earlier, I took some replays of aiming to try and see after the fact what I'm actually doing. I guess the trick is its actually the very tippy top of the front sight, not the whole post itself.

[ionic tusk]

I can't really make out the sniper but I think that's due to unavoidable video compression

[regal pendant]

The irons on the bolt pistol fucking suck, yeah

Doesn't help that after each shot your barrel goes straight up

[fierce marten]

In other games I think iron sights are fine, darktide though the times you need to shoot something like a sniper most is during a horde and there's dozens of enemies between you and the sniper.

I use bolt pistol mostly has it has the most generous hitbox

If you point a bolt pistol within like 20 pixels of a sniper it'll probably be a hit or at least stagger it and the next one will be

Stub revolver seems to be less forgiving with accuracy you do have to have it square within the ironsights to hit.

I also use bolter for snipers similarly if not doing havoc, i get kill shots on snipers I definitely shouldn't have it's very forgiving for what's considered a hit at long distances

[heavy geyser]

The mastery skin has better sights

[sonic elbow]

my problem with irons is the ones that DO ask you to cover up the target with the post, I don't remember which guns had them but I remember the frustration

[sacred pagoda]

I tested out the autogun and combat shotgun and found their iron sights to be fine and not significantly different from the iron sights on the recon lasgun.

[opaque crown]

something i find amazing is how brunt seems to have found or applied a holo sight to every lasgun he finds

but not to the recon or helbore guns

presumably cause he isn't finding em like that

[spiral badger]

some of it is just pure aesthetics

the helbores are krieger pref

and those weirdos wanna be as ww1 as possible

[sonic elbow]

hellbores have irons in game files

they're just, not equipped

so you get a bare rail

[spiral badger]

they have better irons

they have irons now, they're just kinda shit

[sonic elbow]

there's not even the tiniest nub on the end

[spiral badger]

yes there is

it's just shit

you can see it right there

[sonic elbow]

hm, maybe an issue with my graphics, because I've complained before that the sights in this game are all fuzzy and wrong

like beyond what I think the average player sees

[heavy geyser]

it makes the FedEx arrow effect

the triangle points where its gonna shoot

[spiral badger]

but yes the helbore sights, while extant, are complete garbage

which mostly doesn't matter because most of the time you're at knifefight distance, even when shooting

[fierce marten]

Consider the battles kriegsman go into being usually trenches or deadly atmospheres not surprising they don't use holos or anything delicate, hard to break iron sights. Even if they would they probably wouldnt as like a self imposed punishment, why spend anything extra for the kriegsman when they're dead folks walking or something

[fierce marten]

Until a sniper on the long bridge before elevator pops up

Or final area of forge where a sniper on the other side is like 10 pixels hipfire

I do use a mod to add holosight to every gun, I dislike how much space iron sights take up.

[marsh gyro]

Zealot does prove 50m can be a knife fight

[fierce marten]

Cause the gun needs to be raised higher than a holosight on rails

[marsh gyro]

My one question mark on the sights in Darktide is most of them shoot at the tippy tip of the front post but the front post doesn't align at all with the dots on the rear posts

[fierce marten]

I am not good enough at arcs to do a 50m knives throw

[heavy geyser]

theres an easy shortcut

[spiral badger]

snipers are generally not a problem for me because i just run weapons that bodyshot them

the more annoying is a fucking reaper or something at far distance that is just spraying the area

[heavy geyser]

if you ping a guy the red skull appears over their head. the arc compensation at max range is aiming to put the dot right on the top of the red skull

you can try this in the psykarium

[fierce marten]

I'm surprised you'd have trouble hitting a reaper if you don't for sniper

Even their heads are large

[heavy geyser]

if they're shooting at you suppression makes it hard to ADS

[fierce marten]

Suppression takes a few seconds to be a problem. If has been shooting at me for like 3 seconds I have other issues if I weren't a zealot sliding around

[sonic elbow]

tbh reaper heads have like, jiggle physics

and you're usually not killing them in one

[fierce marten]

I don't hit heads in general with ranged weapons

Unless it's really close

[marsh gyro]

I have like a 10% weak spot hit accuracy rate over time so most the time I hope for the best really

[distant surge]

I go for heads when using the revolver or the precise shotgun

[fierce marten]

I'm not good at aiming in general unless it's a knife, doesn't seem to care about suppression

If I can body shot sniper that's enough

Even still I prefer holos sights to iron sights

[opaque crown]

hoenstly i find the most annoying thing at long ranges these days are traitor gunners; beaming with perfect accuracy at a bajillion shots per second

Those boys are WELL TRAINED

and if you're caught out by a crowd or some other circumstance and they can just open up? Poof

ive watched them just drill teammates in the head, every shot hitting perfectly

[fierce marten]

Dreg gunners too, with that update a while back they be lasering

[sonic elbow]

ranged enemies seem to operate on dice roll logic some days

either I casually walk up to an entire platoon of stormtroopers

or there's this one guy who takes half my health with his AK when I show my ass for 3 frames

[fierce marten]

I do feel like that sometimes, I'm basically untouched by 2 gunner packs looking at me and not a care in the world sliding around.

Then I feel safe from ranged attacks after dealing with them and I get my toughness shredded by 3 gunners on a perch on the other side of the map

Chorus is sometimes too goated for keeping everyone safe, I get out of situationss I definitely wouldn't with most any other classes

[sonic elbow]

chorus is definitely overpowered but I don't feel as bad for using it as with shout because I'm not doing anything else while channeling

so it's letting my team have their cool moments

[ionic tusk]

which mod? just weapon customization? 👀

[fierce marten]

Yea for holo sights and a gun model scaling mod to shift the gun model down to line up sights with center

[ionic tusk]

sometimes they just don't shoot
I think there is actually random wake up animations

more noticeable on single normal shooters when you have time to take in them trying to unjam/unsafety/whatever their gun

[ionic tusk]

they have been adding increasing amounts of suppression immunity to havoc active modifiers also

[sonic elbow]

I'm not particularly mad about havoc balance because it's the purely optional CBT mode

[ionic tusk]

I don't think most players use chorus effectively either

[sonic elbow]

but it's disappointing how it's going to be gold health and "just kill faster" for the foreseeable future

[fierce marten]

When does full suppression immunity happen?

[ionic tusk]

ie spreading the suppression around, using the stagger on crushers and the like, looting while your hands are tied, getting into position to kill immediately on exiting it

[ionic tusk]

cranial corruption and some of the new ones

[ionic tusk]

they really need to change how the toughness penalty works

[fierce marten]

Huh i didnt realize it does cranial did that

[ionic tusk]

because rn it's heavily dependent on A how many flat nodes you get and B how many flat buffs (gold toughness) you get for what % it works out to being

[sonic elbow]

few things give me such a feeling of supremacy as pushing aggressively with chorus shortly after watching teammates use it

[fierce marten]

I notice the hit mass though, i usually take wrath otherwise most swings get caught

[ionic tusk]

it kinda makes everything squisher so it's not as noticeable

crushers with infested head and gunners exploding each other when one is shot 💀

[ionic tusk]

also the thrusting animation actually feels better when you're moving so I think that's an intentional design

how do we feel about abducting a dog into a corner to kill at the end of chorus for blades of faith refill

[fierce marten]

They'd have to do a big balanace rework cause mostly the biggest options to challenge players now is nerfing players

[ionic tusk]

there's plenty of things they could do that would nerf the meta strats and buff everything else

mostly in terms of making some overperforming talent nodes in the main path instead of near other meta abilities, and making havoc modifiers apply to special abilities and be much lower

-85% ammo pickups but survivalist has 100% of normal = survivalist now mandatory if more than one person actually wants ammo

[split mantle]

<@&1042950387478560878> we wanna kill people 🥺

[drowsy tusk]

Yeag

[split mantle]

😌

[ionic tusk]

like how they nerfed chorus for havoc by nerfing the number directly instead of making the havoc penalty apply
(not that it didn't need nerfed in general)

[split mantle]

ok gonna get a drink but we'll be on in a sec

[ionic tusk]

can I join but not in vc?

[split mantle]

absolutely!

what's your steam friend code?

dragon (she/her) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1159883850562932826 message) can I join but not in vc?

[ionic tusk]

sent in dms!

[sacred pagoda]

the fuck is a maelstrom mission

[fierce marten]

Its auric with more modifiers

The center mission on auric mission menu is the maelstrom

[sacred pagoda]

So even harder Auric.

[marsh gyro]

Regular maelstroms can be easier than aurics because aurics are guaranteed high intensity and regular maelstoms can just be like hunting grounds + vent purge + extra barrels

Auric maelstroms were peak fiesta before Havoc and now there's 2 different kinds of peak fiesta (Havoc 26-40 and Auric Maelstrom)

[sacred pagoda]

I think I'll pass. Thanks for explaining it, though.

[ionic tusk]

maels can notable have player buffs also like more blitz charges, faster ability cooldowns
some of the modifiers can be significantly harder than the others (monstrous specialists, extra poxbursters, waves of specialists)

also! perfect time for my chart to discuss auric!

all auric missions (aside from auric maelstorm) can spawn on the normal mission board, and they're usually much harder than the auric variant because noone is expecting it and some party members may still be leveling up

[sacred pagoda]

I get mauled on Heresy pretty regularly, I don’t think I’m made for Auric.

[marsh gyro]

That's totally valid, it takes a while to feel good on Heresy

[sacred pagoda]

I'm still trying to get a 500 melee weapon, but I did just master recon lasgun and assault chainsword at least.

[ionic tusk]

heresy missions on the normal board can spawn missions with the same modifiers and general difficulty level as auric

auric has a heresy difficulty level and a damnation difficulty level, just like the main board
the only difference is that the hi intensity modifier is guaranteed instead of being randomly present

[sacred pagoda]

I had a mission where we basically had a conga line of mutants and one of them grabbed our Psyker and yeeted him directly into a daemonhost.

[ionic tusk]

yeah that happens, and it could have been a hi intensity shock gauntlet (or just bad luck)

the game itself is really inconsistent about how it signposts and labels things which is why I feel the need to explain so in-depth

[sacred pagoda]

I just went to bed after that.

[ionic tusk]

like havoc says it enables "auric intensity" at a certain point
but auric calls itself out as "hi intensity", not "auric intensity"
so it's referencing another mechanic which is referencing another mechanic

... havoc also has a million hidden modifiers on top but that's unrelated to auric

[fierce marten]

Oh hey that happened to me

[fierce marten]

We saw the daemonhost and like did a wide circle, I got trappered, got picked up, grabbed by mutant from behind and thrown a bit closer, and the moment I land I got grabbed by another mutant then thrown directly at the daemonhost and bumped directly into it

A teammaye saw it cause they immediately typed "no way" then I saw vc from them and the other 2 said "lol"

This was only damnation too I was just trying to warm up

[heavy geyser]

This is achieved by reaching mastery 18 or 19, going to Hadron with about 30,000 gold doubloons and holding the button down until the number hits 500

as opposed to waiting for a Drop

you can also buy rank 500 gear from Melk, the sassy dude in red in the middle lane

also that mutant toss reminds me, I met a Genius Mutant once

smart mutants are top level threats

[fierce marten]

Or bombers that immediately throw on a down teammate

You just starting reviving? Surprise green

[sonic elbow]

extra barrels?? easier??? /j

[sacred pagoda]

I completely forgot about the Empower function.

[heavy geyser]

You can see what the max power stats will be before spending the money, that's what the right-hand number on each stat is

[regal pendant]

Why is Cadia a place you can be from

Like, is it even anywhere near the Atoman system

[fierce marten]

No but warp travel is a thing

[drowsy vine]

And Cadians are very very numerous

[fierce marten]

And very vocal

[regal pendant]

True

[fierce marten]

If you pick Cadia almost all nonclass dialogue is about cadia

And the non cadian characters will mock them

[regal pendant]

CAYDIER

Cadia this, Cadia that, why don't you improve your K/D, ah?

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[fierce marten]

Basically "reminds me of Cadia but Cadia was worse you wouldnt know"
Followed by "How'd that go for you and Cadia"

[fierce marten]

Why dont you cadia some bitches

[regal pendant]

I want an ogryn voiceline for the Rock that's like

"Look, sah! Ah found a chunk o Cay Dee Er!"

If nothing else than to watch a Cutthroat go APOPLECTIC

[fierce marten]

I dont ever recall Ogyrn cadia lines

Veteran has a ton considering one personality is locked behind Cadia

[ionic tusk]

https://youtu.be/zZeefa6aq-M?t=308

cadia moment

[fierce marten]

I didnt realize how much chainweapons just shred shields

I dont see many evis or chainswords on havoc and my hubris says i can make it work

[heavy geyser]

the eviscerator lights are hard-coded to only deal damage to a maximum of four things, even if they cleave many more

its tuned to an older vision of the game

[fierce marten]

Well mk3's first heavy doesnt have that 4 target limit for damage

[marsh gyro]

Yeah it's just the lights with the target limit for damage

[heavy geyser]

You do need to do either a push attack or a light to route back into another heavy 1

I used to use shroudfield rev heavy 1 to apply bleed from a guaranteed crit to as much of a horde as I can and then do the horde clear patterns into that

But even then half your sweeps will only kill a max of four guys

It's a detail I hope they revisit whenever they are ready to do a larger weapon revision.

[marsh gyro]

In practice it's not too bad because of damage step downs on most weapons targets past the 4th were only taking 20-25% damage anyways and only if you had enough cleave; it's possible to build an Eviscerator to one shot 4 pox walkers in one swing through the step downs but it's easier to build 3.5 pox walker swings

[regal pendant]

It's more annoying than anything else tbh

[opaque crown]

ive found the eviscerator still works pretty great

in a general sense

my cadence is usually heavy-light-heavy-light for crowd clearing

[fierce marten]

Im mostly seeing options for havoc besides DS, knife, relic blade for variety. The big thing so far is the modifiers makes hitmass matter more, enemies staggered less, and DR could change some breakpoints

[ionic tusk]

yeah, there's a big reason why hitmass penetration: yes weapons are so prominent

I don't think dr is adjusted outside of the active modifier for it (which goes down as hp goes up??), but hp increases a fair bit

oh and the other dr modifier (raging?) and the hp one probably impact things a lot 🤔

[fierce marten]

I found that bleed is unaffected by quite a bit of modifiers which makes me consider bleed knife

[fierce marten]

I read the funniest comment,

"Until Death is key for Zealot at higher level play so you can run ahead and die twice before quitting the game."

No one shits on zealots more than other zealots.

[spiral badger]

until death really is key for havoc though

so many situations where you just get a second chance to bail out in time

[fierce marten]

Yea thats the joke

[spiral badger]

high havoc is just too chock full of "turn the corner and get instantly obliterated" scenarios

[fierce marten]

Some people dont bring it on havoc under the pretense of git gud, like youre constantly surrounded by rager packs, maulers, and crushers every minute of havoc 40 youre in a death blender youre going to go down at least once

[spiral badger]

yep

and every time you go down that's a potential crisis that can cascade into the team wiping

so the more ways you have to duck that fate, the better

[fierce marten]

The meta on havoc 40 is like the same build on each class but I will say pub games hit different when everyone is a support build, people actually stick together cause that's how support builds work

I do more just aurics for variety and my beloved shroudfield but at times it like wrangling cats when teammates just stay in one place for no reason

[spiral badger]

one that people forget is that you can't go down while being chanted

rare thing to think about

[fierce marten]

Usually at that point in havoc people at that point realize chant is free time to act stupid to deal max damage or bring someone up

Usually, happens a lot less but i cant say i havent seen it happen

[regal pendant]

Does the bolt pistol have some weirdness going on that throttles its damage?

It and the bolter ostensibly have the same damage profile but the bolt pistol feels like it doesn't hit as hard

Which does make sense tbf

[marsh gyro]

Bolter can get strength bonuses from things like Pinning Fire and Bolt Pistol can get Deadly Accurate so both can hit like a truck

[regal pendant]

Yeah bolt pistol is still mad potent, it just feels like it doesn't actually do the damage listed somehow

I'm not sure what it is

[fierce marten]

What blessings do you run on each

Also are both weapons at 80 damage

[regal pendant]

Both are at 80, I run Surgical on the Bolter, Run n Gun on the pistol, and the bleed blessing on both

[opaque crown]

is the surgical one just critting more?

[regal pendant]

Naw, cause the hipfire feels like it hits harder, and not just in the "You are firing like fifteen baseball sized bullets into them at once"

Like

The individual rounds feel like they're hitting harder

[opaque crown]

i mean we're working with feels like here. Are you testing in the psykanium?

[regal pendant]

If that makes any sense

Psykanium and real gameplay, yeah

[opaque crown]

is it actually doing less damage?

[regal pendant]

It doesn't seem like it?

Guess it's just Surgical + more rounds hitting due to full auto warping my perception

[marsh gyro]

Yeah the bolt pistol and bolter do exactly the same projectile and cleave these days

Are you testing both with the same class and talents too? Different trees have different ranged bonuses

[regal pendant]

Tested em both on my Zealot, same skill tree for both

[fierce marten]

Odd i have no idea then, if should theorhetically do the same damage numbers in psykh, forget if seeing damage numbers in psych is a mod or vanilla

[heavy geyser]

If you're hitting limbs without hitting torsos behind it you do less damage. That used to be a problem with limbs flailing and getting in the way of clean bolter shots but they changed it a year or so ago.

[marsh gyro]

New hotfix today, they're listening:
If a player is part of a Strike Team when they enter the Mourningstar, the text chat will automatically default to the Strike Team channel instead of the Mourningstar channel.
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1361210/view/645814564414293241?l=english

[ionic tusk]

wooo
now I can uninstall the mod I have for that that doesn't quite work lmao

also like this

[fierce marten]

Cant believe were being silenced

[opaque crown]

What, no more ratlings?

We riot

[white rover]

1984

[fierce marten]

If you talk about ratling you delevel /s

[regal pendant]

...oh joy, the hotfix broke every single one of my mods

And now the game refuses to launch

[fierce marten]

Yea that's every patch, the darktide modding discord usually has day 1 patches

[rocky dagger]

<@&1042950387478560878> tideing?

[fierce marten]

The patch today was a big one like 7GB

And thinking about the patch note mentioning ratlings and the POV of the teaser trailer being short, is it really possible a 5th class could be a thing

Ratlings would be small and fast

[brazen fossil]

Ratlings would be pretty fun

[distant surge]

aside from long las what other exclusive weapons could a ratling have

[opaque crown]

tankstopper rifle

[marsh gyro]

Twin plasma pistols

[opaque crown]

the current ratling kit comes with a tank stopper, which is effectively a ratling PTRS-41

[distant surge]

[opaque crown]

I could also see a bolt action stub rifle

the marksman stubber from the vet for a crossover weapon, along with lasguns and las pistols and stub revolvers

[distant surge]

alas, poor ogryn, ma boi doesnt get a lot of weapons since crossover weapons wouldnt make a lot of sense

[drowsy tusk]

I think shatfark have stated that bardin caused enough issues in Vermonter that they weren’t gonna do short characters in the future but rattling would be fun

[brazen fossil]

Lol

[brazen fossil]

Regular bolter as a pistol

[marsh gyro]

Still holding out for an autocannon

[drowsy tusk]

The fact they haven’t added the smaller shield as a separate mark to the slab shield baffles me ngl

[dawn totem]

Really? Seems like they made it work in Vermintide 2

[brazen fossil]

🙏

Imo, since we are in a hive city

A Merc or a dog handler seem plausible

[drowsy tusk]

They got him to work but it was apparently difficult

[drowsy tusk]

Necromunda: hired gun protag

Dog, grappling hook and double jumps all on one character certainly wouldn’t break darktide, nothing could go wrong

[brazen fossil]

I mean a more reasonable version

Ofcourse

[alpine needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/193278651020738561/1374784069656641556/wickedOGR.mp4?ex=682f4ef0&is=682dfd70&hm=f8a53a97625f1c9e18691690161adb35bac502dbe410044261ab94f2ae1dbbc9&

[opaque crown]

I do sometimes wish fatshark fans who frequent their forums and discord could have a healthier relationship with the company. But that's a wish I have in a lot of places

Last time I lurked, it was just constant abuse and complaining

Strong "can do no right" vibes

[alpine needle]

Yucky

Ingrates!

[fierce marten]

Attack pug

[fierce marten]

3 ratlings in a trench coat or ratling of unusual size

[alpine needle]

I would like a beast master tech adept class I think that would be cool

[fierce marten]

Very much true but sometimes you find gems in the dirt.

Like a not so serious comment that the new skull is a reveal of a new carapace pox hound

[alpine needle]

Jesus Christ. Carapace pox hound wave in the Mortis trials

[fierce marten]

Imagine if there was a modifier that added carapace to random enemies

hears & shoots poxburster hidden in horde
Wait why do I hear boss music bullet pinging off armor

[alpine needle]

It's always a tough run on knifey zealot, oops all scabs

[drowsy tusk]

Truuuueee

[fierce marten]

Armor isn't real, Uncanny Strike is there for you

I think so far out of everything the community speculates, my lowest expectation for what the teaser is about is like a pox hound event or maybe new pox hound enemy

A new event would explain a 7gb hot fix and specifically it breaking some mods by affecting one aspect of the allys' UI. Probably added in a fix needed for a new overlay over ally's section of the hud for something

The optimistic part of me says ratling riding cybermastiff

Also funny clip, the director had a vendetta against this one player

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/juZmrzYY76

Really put 2 poxbursters, another trapper, and a sniper on the downed player just to make sure

[alpine needle]

The way the specials be spawning in sometimes is ridiculous

Ever double take a dog bark? Looking down empty hallway, turn away from it, hear dog bark directly behind you, suddenly dog in previously empty hallway. Perish

[opaque crown]

Favorite is 12 mutants playing catch with you

Fail one dodge? Here we go

[fierce marten]

Mutant grabs you and throws you at a daemonhost

[marsh gyro]

Mortis trials 12 trapper wave is something... special! 😃

[heavy geyser]

power knife

[distant surge]

is this good?

[fierce marten]

Chain knife with Rev up

Sonic the Ratling

[marsh gyro]

Yeah real good

[frigid saffron]

anyone know what mods are still broken from the last hotfix?

[ionic tusk]

poxburster with carapace would be a player buff tbh
no more accidentally exploding them in people's faces or bots doing it, pushing still causes them to explode harmlessly

[fierce marten]

I was about to ask if you can shove carapace but i remember you can stagger crushers with DS special attack

[ionic tusk]

it's just an armor type
scab ragers and maulers have it, reapers have it, iirc bulwarks also have it

🤔 although it would be silly if push didn't have enough armor pen or something

but you can push crushers iirc
it just doesn't do much

[fierce marten]

DS staggers crushers quite a bit, not knocked over heavy stagger but like one level before that

[marsh gyro]

Impact ratings have a power level affected by weak spots, crits, and armor type, and a push applies a certain amount of impact in a cone which is compared to melee stagger thresholds to see if they fall over or not

DS has a 1000x multiplier to impact on finesse (weak spot) special pokes (damage_templates.light_combatsword_p3_stab) and staggers like an uppercut so it only ever does light and medium stagger

[fierce marten]

1000x sounds like a lot but i dont know how the math behind impact works at all

[ionic tusk]

that's not a push though, which is what would matter for carapace poxbursters
does give me the idea if you can knock them over with weapon special actions?

[drowsy tusk]

Plasma gun has big stagger

It can stop charging mutants among other things

[marsh gyro]

Yeah if you get a weak spot hit with the light it'll stop the charge on crit for reasons I haven't quite figured out

[drowsy tusk]

Is it only with a crit headshot? It feels more reliable than that, might just be I run it on a crit heavy weapon spec build tho

[marsh gyro]

Yeah weapon spec is 33% additive crit per melee kill so if you swap often it's not hard for every shot to be a crit

[drowsy tusk]

Yea I run that plus crit on heat blessing

[spiral badger]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3710910/Warhammer_40000_Darktide__Arbites_Class/

Steam

Warhammer 40,000: Darktide - Arbites Class

You are justice.
The Adeptus Arbites enforce the Lex Imperialis – the Imperial Law. Utterly unforgiving, they persecute heretics and traitors throughout the Emperor’s realm. As an Arbitrator, you are a warrior of the Emperor’s justice, prosecuting crimes against the Imperium with disciplined zeal. Restore order to Tertium with your Cyber\…

Release Date

Jun 23, 2025

[distant surge]

what

WHAT

[dull parrot]

NO WAY

[marsh gyro]

Summer of shotgun gaming I see

[spiral badger]

I AM THE LAAAAAW

[fierce marten]

YEEEEEEEEA FIFTH CLASS

I always believe, I believed every other update but this time it happened

[regal pendant]

GUH????????

[drowsy tusk]

Waow

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-run-naked-funny-gif-18082679885906165021

[regal pendant]

OUGGY CLASS REAL

[drowsy tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/running-dogs-donut-day-dogs-running-cute-gif-18685139

[soft summit]

WAIT IS IT OUT

Oh nmo the 23rd

Wonder waht niche this class fills

[alpine needle]

I'm here just to say that when I ask for a beast master class I get what I want

[alpine needle]

Happy to be half right

[fierce marten]

They have assault shields, basically riot shields

[alpine needle]

And pupppy

[fierce marten]

Ye ye

[alpine needle]

I can't wait to judge dredd all over the place

[frigid saffron]

WE'RE SO BACK

[fierce marten]

The weapons seems to be in line with Arbites lore, which is close quarters and stun devices. If I had to guess it's like tank/cc

[marsh gyro]

Can't wait to run 4 cyber puppies at once

[fierce marten]

Games will have 8 heretic slayers in one mission

[alpine needle]

Oops all dogs

Do you think they'll give us another operative slot?

I hope so. But if not I'll kill my psyker in a heartbeat

[soft summit]

potentailly

[fierce marten]

Isn't the default 5 slots?

Unless you have a dupe of another class

If you have 2 psykers you have to pick favorites

[marsh gyro]

Yeah a lot of folks have a dupe for playing with either another friend group or just for more loadout slots

I've got Zangief the Ogryn and Floofy the Ogryn

[alpine needle]

I thought it was 4

[drowsy tusk]

Nope the 5th slot has long been used as evidence of other classes being added in forum arguments

[fierce marten]

It's 5, I have zealot 2 for friends that dropped the game a while back, only I persisted

[drowsy tusk]

I have an extra ogryn named big billy bone breaker

Or actually: bigBillybonebreakr to stay in the character limit

[frigid saffron]

I have a vet alt I was doing a permadeath challenge with

but I also have the extra loadout slots mod so I can probably kick that permadeath vet alt down a slot

[alpine needle]

How could I know there are 5 slots I've only played 400 hours of this game 🤷‍♂️

[fierce marten]

True permadeath via new class

[regal pendant]

And they were RIGHT

[alpine needle]

I was also right. Because beast master classes beat ass and are very rad

I'm gonna ride this high for a minute I think. Months, years, I've been saying it would whip ass if we got a uppy wrangler

[brazen fossil]

I'm really curious tbh

I hope someone stuff leaks to other classes

Specifically the ogryn

I want shield and gun damnit

[regal pendant]

I'm mostly wondering 1. How the intro will go and how an Arbites will be explained to be a Reject, and 2. How they'll interact with the ex-Enforcer psyker

[fierce marten]

Sedition is an one easy

They killed a criminal that "should" have been captured because they had friends in high places

[grave talon]

doggos coming up in game

[fierce marten]

Or they didn't capture/kill a criminal cause of sympathies

[grave talon]

Look at me i have the pox hounds now

[fierce marten]

Or did justice on someone that did a crime but they were told should not be punished

[grave talon]

(also more shotgun)

[alpine needle]

Or they're just there supervising operations

[fierce marten]

Or a classic someone accused them of heresy and they didn't do anything wrong but still went to reject jail

[alpine needle]

Literally judge dredd

[fierce marten]

But 40k

[alpine needle]

Every Arbites has a Rico Dredd they don't know about yet

[fierce marten]

If judge dredd also could deal with demons and xenos

[alpine needle]

I'm gonna name my guy Karl I think

[fierce marten]

Genestealers and cultists are around in many hive cities

[regal pendant]

FOR KARL

[alpine needle]

For Karl 😌

[fierce marten]

I can't wait for lobbies to look like 4 judge dredd cosplays

[alpine needle]

The voice lines are gonna go hard

[fierce marten]

I wonder what the lines will be like, cause the OG 4 were all made around the same time so they had like direct responds to each other

And I'm wondering if like they recorded new lines or mixed up existing lines then added in arbite's lines

The biggest thing I'll think about is what funny name I'll use

[alpine needle]

A good amount of them are pretty flexible. Any class chides the zealot for taking ammo "put it to good use then!"

[alpine needle]

The Italian Stallion

[soft summit]

https://youtu.be/rZ176VVTJZo?si=MyRYEpzzG6vAankB

Since no one else posted it yet

[regal pendant]

[Blessedly satisfying gun cocking sound]

[dull parrot]

I’m very very curious if they gave the class different personalities voice actors and what those could be one is clearly a hard line dread type lol

[soft summit]

I hope its the best shotgun in the game

[alpine needle]

Darktide shottys are not to be slept on. They're kinda great

[soft summit]

It deserves to be

Fair

But still

[alpine needle]

lips to microphone "I am the law"

Aside from the puppy, and also the hypothetical riot shield they might get, what do you think their abilities and skill will look like?

And how do you think they'll try to avoid borrowing from the vet tree

Because I immediately thought this class could act as a short of shot caller

But vet already has that ability

[fierce marten]

Shout would have been apt for an arbites

[alpine needle]

I haven't written it off yet

[fierce marten]

Im curious how dog would be used

[regal pendant]

They'll absolutely get a shout yeah

[regal pendant]

Maybe it's their Blitz?

[fierce marten]

So you could opt not for a dog blitz if theres 2 others

Unless its all dog blitz

[alpine needle]

Or other critters

Thats what I'm hoping for but have some doubts about

Servo skull swarm, puppy, some other third horrible thing

Laser falcon that highlights targets

If they outfit the arbiters with gas nades having a highlight ability would be sick

It also fits with the riot control aesthetic

[fierce marten]

Executioner's stance 2

[alpine needle]

But foreeeever

And no damage buff