dark tidings (Darktide for people in the searchbar)

[marsh gyro]

Supercharge won't be necessary with more sources of brittleness in the tree coming up

[regal pendant]

Why is Sefoni such a dickhead to the Veteran

Every other class she shows some degree of respect for but every time I go bother her with my Vet she always acts put off

[marsh gyro]

The Veteran isn't very nice to Psykers

[regal pendant]

Dunno, fem Loose Cannon gets along pretty well with the Seer

[regal pendant]

You weren't kidding about ranged brace, holy shit that's a lot of toughness regen

[frank igloo]

atoma's situation isnt even bad enough to warrant space marines or sisters of battle, an exterminatus is way overboard for what was initially seen as a local traitor guard rebellion

[frank igloo]

in my spread of characters shes mean to my fanatic zealot, loose cannon vet, but likes my bodyguard ogryn and loner psyker

[marsh gyro]

<@&1042950387478560878> Does anyone want to Tide in about 15 minutes at <t:1742157000:F>

[split mantle]

we can absolutely do that

[ionic tusk]

yeah some characters have different reactions to personalities (although iirc it's basically just "disdain" "neutral" and "agreeable")
... iirc there's a mod for forcing the lines also!

[waxen patio]

can't wait until we get a death guard encounter and they're just literally unkillable juggernauts

"oh shit- REJECTS, GET OUT OF THERE, RUUUUUUUN!!!"

[brazen fossil]

The rejects kill plague ogryns, burgles and chaos spawns, they can smack a death guard

[fierce marten]

I wish to hear them all

Wished the other character creation stuff was used more besides personality in voice lines, I didn't play a lot but I loved vermintide dialogue being so tightknit

The only ones I know is Cadia, if you're from Cadia then your character will brag or recall Cadia fondly often. Noncadians will always shit on them with something along the lines of, "how'd that work for Cadia"

[marsh gyro]

They're tough if the whole team isn't on the ball and I still can't figure out how to solo them good

[regal pendant]

Do ogryns take more damage from ranged attacks?

Or is it a case of "I'm a bigger target and getting hit more often than regular sized humans"?

[marsh gyro]

It's this - they have a 20% reduction to all damage built into the class, getting bigger to 25% on the 25th with the rework

Ogryn play requires a little more care for gunner LOS when ledges are involved - pillars and hard LOS breaks help

[regal pendant]

...they have 20% innate DR?

Sure as hell doesn't feel like it

Which is odd

[marsh gyro]

A lot of enemy attacks do more to toughness than health so it see saws more

Plus multiplicative scaling gets funky - if you can get 40% toughness damage reduction from the tree you essentially cut your incoming damage by half (80% damage taken base goes down to 40%)

[spiral badger]

ogryns are basically invincible if you're wading in and slapping a horde around

and extremely vulnerable to getting shot up standing around in the open

their toughness regen is all based on hitting things

and they have a big hitbox and very little way to not get shot

[sonic elbow]

ogryn also has little in the way of get out of jail free cards

and being tanky vs a horde is not as relevant

[regal pendant]

I'm genuinely not sure if I just don't like ogryn or if it's just a problem of "low-level in Darktide is atrocious"

Like, on the one hand, it feels good and satisfying to mow down a horde with a pickaxe as big as I am, I like their features, they seem fun on paper, but on the other, it gets real fucking tiring feeling like I'm made of tissue paper at times

[marsh gyro]

Might be the low level and lack of talent points

Inspiring barrage blessing on ranged and confident strike blessing on melee helps a lot (pickaxes like slow and steady) and on the 25th the talent rework has a lot more toughness gain incoming

[regal pendant]

Eh, yeah, probably just low level being awful

...side note

Is it just me

Or has High Intensity/Shock Trooper been in the mission rotation significantly more often than usual

Like 90% of the missions I've been on have been shitfests of incessant special spam, and when I go to look at the modifiers, lo and behold, Hi Intense Shock Trooper

[ionic tusk]

it's pretty extensive even outside of that, might just be hard to notice unless you pay really close attention

[ionic tusk]

tbf tho every class can do this if you build it right

[spiral badger]

Yeah but ogryns are extra invincible

[ionic tusk]

they might have problems escaping the horde though

[spiral badger]

If you're hurting a horde you can get shot at all they like

You're regenerating toughness faster than the shots can break it

[ionic tusk]

I consider it the defining modifier of auric tbh

[ionic tusk]

if you're not doing auric and joining mid-mission, I bet good money that this is a case of the hi shocks killing the people who joined before you
they have a much higher reject churn rate since people get dogpiled and then quit which means the servers feed another reject to the mission who also quits and etc etc
whereas if people get through the mission it doesn't need 10 replacements

like an inherent form of negativity bias: you will be put with bad strike teams and hard missions more often than the alternatives since those things are most likely to have open slots and keep having open slots

hi shock should just not spawn on normal mission board though
"auric jumpscare" shouldn't be a thing

[sonic elbow]

I love joining a game in progress and spawning in with 3 health and no ammo in my gun

[ionic tusk]

yeah
always a trip

they really should save everyone's stats independently
or at least force the gun to be full, people aren't going to be able to hotjoin to reload :/

[marsh gyro]

If you look at the mission board and high intensity is in the rotation for that difficulty and you don't want it, don't slam that quick play, just pick the mission you want to do - much faster overall leveling than queueing into a calamity in progress

[ionic tusk]

I'd advise just never quickplaying into normal heresy or damnation, afaik you can end up on missions that aren't on the board but are still active through quickplay

[opaque crown]

speaking on ogryns, theres a reason Ogryns go rabid around shotgunners. They cannot be allowed to fire

when youre an ogryn

Either you pull up your shield, or you get krunk amongst the shotgunners as quickly as possible

Ogryns also like tighter spaces more than most classes because theres less opportunity to get rando shot from all over, and youre hard to kill up close

Side note if you ARE struggling with surviving as an Ogryn, the Shield is your friend

you can block random shooters while you transition spaces

later on you can make your blocks taunt, and then you can just auto taunt all those bastards. When you taunt normal shooters they get real mad and come try and stab you, where you can slap them for being so stupid

The taunt doesn't make gunners come running though

[spiral badger]

also generally charge is the best option on ogryn starting out because it lets you turn situations where there's a bunch of people shooting you from over tehre into a situation where those people now have an angry ogryn in their face

[fierce marten]

Mobility is great

Knife zealot gang

[spiral badger]

also everything you run over with charge counts as hitting a heavy melee attack for the purposes of recharging toughness

fyi

[regal pendant]

What's generally the best dump stat for a twin linked stubber?

[marsh gyro]

Stability

[regal pendant]

Stability?

Does it affect recoil that little?

[marsh gyro]

It does affect the recoil noticeably and can be compensated for; damage, range, ammo are all high priority; collateral can be dumped but affects crowd control capabilities so I go with stability

95% of my guns I didn't bother chasing a 60% dump stat though so most are scattered around in the mid 70s and they still work fine on max difficulty

[brazen fossil]

Stability is the only stat you can control with inputs

So it's where skill can happen

The rest just makes the gun better

Altho if you run in a team with low ammo needs

Dumping ammo is imo fine

[regal pendant]

Eh, if I need hordeclear I can just wade in and smack things around with my big ole pickaxe

[regal pendant]

You know what I vaguely hope for someday

Giant sword melee for ogryn

Some real Berserk type shit

[sonic elbow]

helicopter blade

[brazen fossil]

I want claws

Or even better

Power knuckle dusters

[sonic elbow]

mace slap in one hand, knife uppercut in the other

or wherever these specials belong I don't rember

[fierce marten]

Broken terminator claws would be a sick vibe

[brazen fossil]

I want the block of concrete on a rebar the crushers have

[fierce marten]

But with skulls and wax seals to be not heretical

[sonic elbow]

there's a laspistol barrel in the game files that has a lit candle for the front sight

[regal pendant]

...I swear to Christ Ogryn does just straight up take more damage from ranged attacks, I don't get melted anywhere near this fast with any other character

Like I take a three tap salvo, boop, massive chunk of toughness instantly deleted

[brazen fossil]

He big

[spiral badger]

big and his toughness pool is not that large by default

[ionic tusk]

ogyrn has the lowest starting toughness pool, but there's mandatory +25 which is. v good and access to two of them at the start of the tree

... and also with other classes you're more likely to be doing something that innately reduces toughness damage, your curios are probably higher %, etc etc

I guess against ranged attacks most of those things just count as dodging tho

iirc orygn is actually (kinda) bugged to take less toughness damage than intended because they have toughness damage reduction and global damage reduction (which stack), when they're meant to have equal toughness damage reduction and then health damage reduction, but fatshark will never notice this to fix it

look at this and feel sad for how all of ogyrns hidden stats are also just worse besides from base stamina (and no stamina sprint penalty but their base sprint is bad anyways)

so if I'm understanding it right zealot does in fact just have 50% toughness dr when sprinting

sliding and dodging should only matter against melee tho since you're immune to ranged during those always

[opaque crown]

i still want a pair of scrap knucks for the ogryn

rapid fire, cqc, less sweep

[sonic elbow]

gloves of running urgently

[opaque crown]

Also want a multilaser or a rocket launcher

but then i also want the vet to hav a drum loaded nade launcher

[regal pendant]

If Zealot can get a relic blade surely Vet can have a nade launcher

[ionic tusk]

and a flamer! that's an exotic delivery weapon

[regal pendant]

And a thunder hammer, and an eviscerator, and a boltgun, and a bolt pistol...

[ionic tusk]

most of those are all small classes tho

let ogyrn hold a bolt pistol in their hands really daintly
it'll be funny

or like a brace of bolt pistols

[regal pendant]

Lmao

Honestly it'd be funny as hell of an ogryn just got a space marine's weapon

Like a full Astartes-scale one

[fierce marten]

Plasma gun is sort of grenade

Just plasma

The humans get a godwyn Bolter, I imagine Ogyrn can't read to do the rights and such

Ogyrns would be the only ones that could handle an astartes bolter full auto without breaking anything

[marsh gyro]

Autocannon please

[regal pendant]

Or just a regular cannon

Someone ripped off a Leman Russ's main gun

[regal pendant]

God the bolt pistol is satisfying

[quiet escarp]

Honestly I've always wanted the Ogryn plasma-equivalent to just be a lascannon

Or maybe one of the GSC mining lasers

But giving them any energy weapon might be a little bit outside of the Ogryn conceptual wheelhouse

[drowsy tusk]

mining laser seems somewhat reasonable,

i want to have frag bomb that looks like a satchel charge

[brazen fossil]

I want a melta

Guard can have meltas

We should have a melta

[opaque crown]

I suspect, considering melta was in the code like on release, they just haven't gotten it where it feels right/ balanced yet

[brazen fossil]

Probably

[regal pendant]

Anyone wanna do some low-level Havocs later? Trying to get a bunch done so I can unlock some of the Havoc-gated cosmetics.

[marsh gyro]

I'm tied up tonight with AFK things and can Friday Havoc at <t:1742596239:F> for a while - rank 20 here

[ionic tusk]

I've been having some health issues but can probably still manage lower level if you have slots open; I can being a beacon/chorus zealot

[lost cave]

I still want a hot shot lasgun that works like how the steam powered minigun does in vermintide 2.

[drowsy tusk]

more hotshot volley gun then?

[regal pendant]

Tbh having that old Heat mechanic back would be really neat

[drowsy tusk]

power fist is my big want

i neeeed big hand

[regal pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/eggman_slap-gif-24023679

[brazen fossil]

Im really excited for this update

The theory crafting is already cooking in my brain

Gonna have to remake all my builds 😌

[fierce marten]

I want a shotgun with a magazine

[brazen fossil]

The humble ripper gun

[fierce marten]

Shows how little i know about Ogyrn

[drowsy tusk]

very

[opaque crown]

the ripper sometimes gets a bad rap, but i think its a lot of fun

the absolute carnage you can unleash on short notice is great

and in a very ogryn like manner, very easy to blow through all your ammo

[drowsy tusk]

Can opener slaps

[fierce marten]

Ogyrns don't have to do paperwork on how much ammo they used

[regal pendant]

I want a sword and pistol combo weapon

Idk how well it'd be balanced but we already have an example of a weapon that's both melee and ranged in the ogryn's gauntlet grenade launcher

I WANT SALTZ'S MF RAPIER AND PISTOL

[regal pendant]

Random question, how does the Flawless Execution challenge work

Just did a Malice mission start to finish with no downs but it didn't budge the counter

Ah, wait, I figured it out, it only ever shows the highest streak of missions you didn't go down on, not the actual progress

[opaque crown]

I really do find it regrettable that they did not start the game with paired sword/pistol combos

We even have a character who uses one such combo during the tutorial

Though we never see it again

I do wonder how each character would express that classic sword/pistol combo

Psyker sword and staff?

Ogryn kind of already have it with the ripper, it's just not something they can lay about themselves with

[fierce marten]

Vet has the hellbore

Less dual wield and more 2 in 1

[regal pendant]

Y'all have any advice for completing the Serial Killer penance

[sonic elbow]

which one is that?

[regal pendant]

Pop 20 consecutive headshot kills

Though I was thinking of Frenzied Killer, which is "Kill 120 enemies in 30 seconds"

Mixed up the names

[ionic tusk]

probably like, psyker flame staff a big horde with venting shriek in a hi intensity damnation mission

[marsh gyro]

Brain Burst with Enhanced Psionics

[marsh gyro]

This one goes easy with Zealot flamer and hammer and fire nades

[sonic elbow]

for the sake of getting the cheevo alone

consider scryer's gaze with no exploding for 10 seconds

that's a lot of brain pops

[ionic tusk]

you aren't gonna get 120 brain pops in 30 seconds

[sonic elbow]

oh the other one

[ionic tusk]

and I don't believe there's a time limit on the headshot one

[sonic elbow]

yeah but the longer you take with it the larger the chances are of needing to do something other than head pop

I wonder if I have the penance, surely I've gotten 20 headshot chains with laspistol gaming

[ionic tusk]

I'm pretty sure I have neither lmao
not how I play the game

[regal pendant]

No, but I could conceivably pop 20 headshots in a row...

Didn't realize Brain Burst counted as a headshot

[sonic elbow]

I love my laspistol build so much, it's comical to walk directly into a platoon of entrenched shooters and just stand there popping heads

[regal pendant]

...also how does one deal with multiple ragers

I'm fucking tired of turning a corner, facing like fifty of them, and the fight boiling down to me blocking and dodging while they just

Never fucking stop swinging

[sonic elbow]

ragers are the prime target of your nukes because they can take things south so quickly

[marsh gyro]

Blitzes or high cleave high impact weapons knock them on their butts

Weapon specials will interrupt their attack animation which has 60 stagger reduction

[fierce marten]

I got 120 kills in 30 seconds accidentally from flamer by using it down on a walkway at the end of the mission where it's like a terminal island surrounded by drop except for 3 walkways, one of which is the escape

High intensity being given as auric

[ionic tusk]

I'm gonna be real I kinda just stab them in the face and hope I don't die
usually it works but sometimes I start the attack at the wrong time and get stuck in their hurtboxes for a bit

elite packs are usually what I pop my abilities on partway through killing to cc them and heal 🤷‍♀️

[fierce marten]

For Zealot with blades rager is an aim test, if you miss the head you lose a blade

Otherwise it's free

[ionic tusk]

... do blades come back on blade kill??
in my experience they don't but maybe I just suck at aiming and throw too many

they should count as ranged damage and blades should only be restored on melee kills afaik

[fierce marten]

Yea elites and specialists refund on kill with blades

[ionic tusk]

tested it in vr and that's not happening for me
(recorded a video but it refuses to export...)

apologies for the awful quality, but for me the grenade counter is ticking down despite never using more than a single blade to kill anything

[drowsy tusk]

It appears to be functioning as normal to me, am I missing something?

[ionic tusk]

what do you consider "functioning normally", because there seems to be some confusion on what that is

bleh sorry for being Really Awkward about this, struggling to have some social grace and I think it's backfiring

[ionic tusk]

but as far as I'm aware, they do not refund on blade kill

[marsh gyro]

Yeah this is my understanding and turns out it's surprisingly tough to look at the source code to tell if a weapon is a melee weapon or a ranged weapon

Stagger category on the knife is killshot which is a not-melee category and it benefits from ranged buffs like the "stand close and do 25% more ranged damage" node

[ionic tusk]

lol I just looked at the kuli guide

👀 you look at the source for stuff? that's interesting

I'll have to keep it in mind if I have a question

[marsh gyro]

Yeah the kuli guides are great because they call out the variables in the source code that are relevant

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code

Source code's here for anyone curious about the inner workings of the scripts

[drowsy tusk]

All good I just saw the video and didn’t process any discussion prior to it so I kinda just wandered into the convo without reading context

[regal pendant]

He's got something for ya

[frigid saffron]

Laspistol my beloved

[regal pendant]

...that one train mission with high intensity is genuinely kind of unplayable, Jesus Christ that was miserable

No time to do any objectives because my teammates got downed by the snipers that camp the massive sightline that consists of that map and it was a neverending wave

Good grief

Kinda feels like snipers should be prohibited from spawning on that map tbh, they get gigantic sightlines and they can just camp you from the other side of the map

[ionic tusk]

train mission is miserable in general if 1 or 2 people haven't played it before which is super common

[frank igloo]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1361210/view/520834687966380114?l=english

[regal pendant]

Eyyyy a nice evenly balanced team

[ionic tusk]

(we died to barrels)

[sonic elbow]

the great equalizer

[ionic tusk]

yeah

well. I think I got hit less bad because of how I positioned myself? but I wasn't consciously trying to do it
when I did get hit it was generally at shallow angles that didn't knock me off (most of the time)

🤔 so I'm wondering if that's luck, subconscious game knowledge, or a byproduct of how I try to move to minimize blocking my ally's shooter los

all in all went exactly how I expected it to go, any time a party makes it past the start of that mission without someone getting barreled I feel extremely lucky 😅

[regal pendant]

Clandestine Gloriana has a fucking miserable opening sequence and I hope that Fatshark removes half the barrels in it someday

[drowsy vine]

Wamly I think you should take a break, a lot of the posts you make in this thread are about not having fun

[regal pendant]

...yeah

You're right

[opaque crown]

New ogryn changes coming make me wonder if the light attack synergies will combo up with the Grenade gauntlet

In an interesting way

Still haven't really felt like the gauntlet has a niche since it got its masteries, but it is a bit fun in melee

[marsh gyro]

oh dang fire on explosion would be neat with the gauntlet

[regal pendant]

Wasn't the ogryn rework supposed to release today?

[marsh gyro]

3 more days - March 25

[ionic tusk]

havoc should be under maint now tho, that's what the first date indicated in-game

[marsh gyro]

Oh dang I was gonna get my Havoc for the week in tomorrow, guess that'll be a wash

[regal pendant]

Ah, I thought it was releasing the 22nd

My bad

[regal pendant]

Comically long pistol

Tbh I kinda dig it, it reminds me of Alucard's fuckass long pistols

[regal pendant]

...oh that is a proper massive gun, holy shit

Thing's bigger than him

[waxen patio]

"Imperial guard is just a bunch of flashlights and t-shirts" losers are in shambles when the ogryn squad perforates them with guns the size of a small car

[marsh gyro]

I've been running flashlight Veteran for a while (bog standard infantry lasgun and standard shovel with Executioner's Stance and Marksman's Focus) and I've been doing great

[regal pendant]

Oh this is such a fucking treat of a mod

I can properly kitbash stuff, this rules

[sonic elbow]

there are some fancy parts that will crash your game every time you try to edit the weapon once you equip them once fyi

the one I remember of the top of my head is the candle barrel for laspistol

[regal pendant]

?

How odd

[fierce marten]

The barrel candle is like an unused or unfinished hidden asset I think and the mod basically enables it

[regal pendant]

Enables a lot of hidden assets, looks like

Found a Melta ammo mag

Pairs nicely with the Comically Long Bolter surprisingly, adds to that Alucard vibe by slimming down the profile a lot

[regal pendant]

Finally, some nice heavy armor

[fierce marten]

Imagine having armored pants, couldn't be me - Zealot

Literal breastplate armor, default cloth pants

[regal pendant]

Lmao

Adventurer who bought good chest armor but realized they couldn't afford good pants

[fierce marten]

Brunt says you don't need to protect your legs to the crack squirrel knife zealot running circles

[opaque crown]

is that armor just a mod?

oh the weapon is too lol

[fierce marten]

Yea there's a client customization mod

Big community actually of modders for the mod making sick fits

[regal pendant]

Aye, Extended Weapon Customization & For The Drip

[regal pendant]

Y'know what I wish for as an ogryn gun

Giant fuckin revolver

I'm not sure what niche it would fill given the Heavy Stubber exists, though

[opaque crown]

ball and chain might be a fun one for the ogryn, big on stagger and only gets its best stagger by maintaining a combo

or something

[fierce marten]

That would be fun, especially if it has like a reel or something and you can yeet it as a special, Melee weapon with gravity drop

[marsh gyro]

The ball and chain hyper hammer was super fun in Gundam Evolution and in darktide with proper ragdolls it'd rule

[fierce marten]

It would be fun to ragdoll a small line of enemies, it'd be neat if it was like a mini charge and you'd have to reel it back in

[regal pendant]

Aye, could have a Mk. variant be an anchor even

Just a straight up ship's anchor

When you reel it back in, it hooks enemies and brings them closer to you

[regal pendant]

Ogryn's definitely growing on me, this is buckets of fun

[ionic tusk]

darktide doesn't have living ragdolls (or even synced ragdolls afaik), I'm pretty sure even the knockdown on enemies is a fixed animation

so that'd probably be a major engine rewrite 😔

[frank igloo]

Yeah

[marsh gyro]

Oh yeah that's right every single stagger is a separate animation call

[ionic tusk]

I don't think there's even that many tbh

the animations are just really good

[brazen fossil]

Did the update hit yet ?

[neon nymph]

Yes it has, I need to try it out and see if I feel much of a difference

[brazen fossil]

How does the new perk tree look 🥺

[neon nymph]

Look as in look visually or how it feels?

[brazen fossil]

Both I suppose

[marsh gyro]

There's patch notes up and they're so long they had to be on the web site and not the forums:
https://www.playdarktide.com/news/nightmares-visions-patch-notes

[marsh gyro]

Gameslantern build editor is updated with the new tree, it's shiny and has lots of branches
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[brazen fossil]

Oh nice it's the same as the one that got uploaded a while ago

Very very nice

[soft summit]

Anything new aside from a new mode and Ogyrn updates?

Like a new map, etc

[marsh gyro]

Havoc got a bunch of new modifiers and tweaks, and all 4 classes got balance changes - chorus got a tiny nerf, psyker got buffs, Vet got buffs

[soft summit]

Neat

[marsh gyro]

Ogryn uppercut from cleaver does like 770 damage, this is a good patch

[sonic elbow]

what's the chorus nerf? can't read rn

[quiet escarp]

15 rather than 20 per pulse, so total of only 75 extra rather than 100

But the nodes got buffed

 Toughness Damage Reduction: 30% to 40%.
Ecclesiarch’s Call
Damage: 20% to 30%.```

Which I think is probably a decent change, overall

[fierce marten]

Juicy extra damage

I wonder what the effective toughness is of 100 gold toughness at 30% tdr and 75 gold toughness at 40% tdr

[ionic tusk]

rip I'll no longer be able to tank poxbursters in havoc I think without a vet shout to push me over

[ionic tusk]

if they didn't change any of the more important cooldown nodes this is kinda wild though

the reason why chorus is so good in the first place is the outrageous uptime

.... it's still really dumb that's how they fixed it instead of making gold toughness incur a havoc penalty

... this seems like a pretty unacceptable bug to leave in for an update?

[fierce marten]

RIP psykers

That's a big one for sure, I'm guessing higher ups refuse to delay and besides just disabling mettle temporarily it'd take too long to fix

[ionic tusk]

disabling mettle temporarily would have been vastly preferred to seemingly random but very consistent crashes imo

unless that just never happens in practice but I kinda doubt it

[ionic tusk]

I've been told that havoc is much harder now due to all the spawning changes and I can definitely see it, they seem to have taken offense to the concept of 'downtime' so I'm betting pushing forward will be harder as well

[regal pendant]

New cosmetics dropped
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1jjgkrg/next_premium_2900_cosmetics_vostroyan_firstborn/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Those coats'll be proper lovely with For The Drip

[marsh gyro]

I did my darnedest to try and meet the requirement in the Psykhanium and it wasn't crashing for me so it might be a thing in the missions, will have to test later

[regal pendant]

Question: What do these errors mean

[marsh gyro]

Sounds like mod error, turn 'em off and on one at a time to troubleshoot

[regal pendant]

Definitely a mod error, I did update the mod loader itself properly

So that's good at least

My guess is that For The Drip, Extended Weapon Customization, and the plugins I had for both just haven't been updated yet due to how recently this update was released, aka literally fucking today

Probably just gotta wait a damn minute lol

[ionic tusk]

betting a function name got changed and a mod is still trying to edit the old name

[regal pendant]

How do I fix that?

[ionic tusk]

🤷‍♀️
how many mods do you have?

[regal pendant]

...oh, yeah, none of these mods are updated yet lmfao

[ionic tusk]

not all mods need to update every update but yeah

[regal pendant]

Just Extended Weapon Customization, that one MT plugin for it, For The Drip, and the FTD plugin

[fierce marten]

Mod loader might not be updated

It usually does a day after, their discord often has like few hour post patch experimental versions

[regal pendant]

No it's definitely updated, I removed all my mods from the mod loader text file thingumabob and it's working just fine without them

[fierce marten]

Well time to play wack a mole for the problem mod or wait

[regal pendant]

I'll wait a bit

See if things just need to be updated

I'm mostly just disappointed that I went from this back to a sleeveless leather jacket, and from a great big honkin axe to a pickaxe

[opaque crown]

Im keen to try out fire explosion build for the grenade gauntlet

heavy hitter + big booms

and new light attack benefits

i betcha we'll see some more brunt's basher builds out there

[regal pendant]

...lord there's a LOT of Ogryns about

OH THAT FUCKING RULES

[marsh gyro]

Melee grenade gauntlet is very real

[marsh gyro]

Yeah first match was 4 ogryn and we steamrolled a threat 5 and the daemonhost a pox burster knocked me into, was good

[opaque crown]

Thinking I pair it with the shield just for when i need to be able to panic block shooter waves or whatever, and use the gauntlet to effectively do everything else?

also for bullgryn cosplay

[marsh gyro]

This is exactly what I did

[opaque crown]

Question, what are your traits of chocie for the gauntlet?

or blessings i should say

i always forget which is which

[marsh gyro]

Blaze Away/Gauntlet momentum for full melee, blaze away/pinpointing focus for hybrid

[opaque crown]

hmm okee, so no brittleness stackin

[marsh gyro]

The brittleness is on the ranged hit and tough to keep up yeah

Pulverize is neat though if you can chain kills, though easy to disrupt

[brazen fossil]

Y'all

Did the toughness total change?

I have like 20 something less toughness

On ogryn ofcourse

Also am I the only one who thinks this is getting nerfed ?

It feels incredibly powerful right now

Both full tank and full melee make auric damnation high intensity feel like a walk in the park

I need to take this into havoc

[opaque crown]

havent run it yet

but i saw there were a lot of extra resistance stacks but fewer toughness nodes

[sonic elbow]

whatever it is, it certainly ain't shouty nade vet

so no nerfs probs

[brazen fossil]

Yeah but the base was supposed to go to 75

[sonic elbow]

(this is not a powerscaling "my fav vs your fav" statement, vet is insane and the yardstick for what fatshark is willing to tolerate)

[opaque crown]

isnt the zealot the highest tier class?

iirc its what's recced for highest levels of havoc

[sonic elbow]

shouty nade vet specifically

[brazen fossil]

Overall there is supposed to be 10 extra toughness but I might also suck at math

Old ogryn was 50 +2x25 +3x15 iirc so 145

New ogryn is 75 +2x25 +15
So 140

Yeah I just fucking suck at math lol

Doesn't really matter tho, the central tree is so much better

The melee tree is hilarious on the pickaxe

[marsh gyro]

Melee tree is hilarious in general with extra cleave or impact

[drowsy vine]

Ogryn was just not good before

So I imagine it's not being nerfed for a while yet if at all

[opaque crown]

I feel like just not good is kinda strong language, the class performed just fine in all normal states of play, could play well in auric and auric maelstroms

I regularly played full tank and pulled my own weight in auric maelstrom

behind the rest? Maybe. Just not good (or bad)? I dunno about that. The changes are welcome though

[spiral badger]

zealot is specifically good at what havoc asks for, being fast, not taking hits, and target elimination with melee

along with having a backup plan in their unique ability to Not Die once every 180 seconds or so

this doesn't necessarily make them the best class in a lot of other applications

the easiest class to play in high havoc, always has been imo shield ogryn

because you can literally just, with proper shield use, ignore much of the threat

[opaque crown]

big blocks, taunts, wide stagger, and access to literal immunity to directional damage seems like it'd be potent in a few scenarios

[spiral badger]

the issue is that shield ogryn doesn't move you forward in havoc

you need other people who are more killy to take advantage of the space

[opaque crown]

yeah that doesnt bother me too too much, performing to a team gameplan seems solid

think thats changing wit the update?

both to havoc and the ogryn

[spiral badger]

no, it's kind of inherent to the shield

it's just a uniquely powerful tool

the easiest way to win at high havoc is a blender of zealots moving forward rapidly until the next important chokepoint, because getting bogged down is death

but it requires everyone being on point as a zealot

ultimately high havoc requires a combination of high individual player skill and player knowledge of the rhythm of pushing ahead and holding up

if the players all have that knowledge the team will naturally coalesce

because you're all on the same page

[opaque crown]

Also seems like a situation where zealot isn't going to play itself for you to get you to the win, a comment i make because I'm sure people online see "Zealot is best" or "Zealot is the only choice for top havoc" and assume that means it's easy mode.

Teamwork really do make the dream work

[spiral badger]

zealot is absolutely the best class for high havoc but it assumes you're playing pretty pedal to the metal, yeah

you can contribute a lot more as a somewhat less good psyker

between bubbles and stunning

than as a somewhat less good zealot

if you're not a funky headhunter with speed skills psyker or ogryn give you a lot more leeway to help the team without having to play at the top of your game

[opaque crown]

wait does blaze away on the gauntlet trigger on melee attacks with the gauntlet?

that counts as a shot?

[spiral badger]

yes

as does slapping things with the rumbler or kickback

[marsh gyro]

Slapback never left, and it is so back

[marsh gyro]

Did a new Havoc on 20, it really pushes you forward, goes great with precision target deletion to take out glowy purple healers

New bully club rules

[ionic tusk]

nah
zealot is just the easiest at havoc
pskyer imo has always been the most impactful but also most difficult

and this because of flame staff and trauma staff which do not care how many enemies you throw in front of them and have infinite ammo

plus bubble is a huge advantage for passive toughess regen for your team and turtling against shooters

and psykinetics aura might be the best node in the entire game because it lets your team spam chorus and shout even more

[ionic tusk]

I think the support builds are just the best builds anyways
you lose like 30% killing power but everyone in your team gets like +20% killing power and +50% survivalability

and that's just an insane trade

[regal pendant]

Did Fatshark increase special spawn rates across the board

Was in a mission and every other enemy that spawned was a fucking hound or a trapper

[ionic tusk]

was it a hi shock

actually a low shock would do that

[regal pendant]

Nope, no modifiers

Which is baffling because it felt like we were constantly seeing hounds and trappers

[ionic tusk]

what mission was it?

[regal pendant]

The uh

One of the ones in the fucking desert area, I don't remember which one specifically

The radio tower one, that's the one

[ionic tusk]

I do think this is a drawback sometimes
if two people have chorus and aren't in vc they'll often pop it at the same time because their gamesense is telling them the same thing 😆

[marsh gyro]

If people aren't in coherency the game spawns more disablers

[regal pendant]

I know, but we were in coherency

I guess the AI director just shat itself

[regal pendant]

...did the Devil's Claw get buffed?

The heavies on the second Mk. variant feel a lot stronger

[marsh gyro]

Yeah it's in the patch notes

[regal pendant]

Hm

Looks like only the Mk. I and VII got buffed in any significant way

So then why am I hitting so much harder with my Mk. IV...?

Eh, gift horses and all that

[regal pendant]

Playing the new game mode

So far the Oops! All Trappers waves have been some of the worst shit I've experienced

Other than that, very fun

Not as good as Chaos Wastes but just about

...though tbf it's not very fair comparing it to Chaos Wastes

[opaque crown]

Got ogryn double Grenade then got the modifier that makes the box of nades drop kraks, fires, shocks, smokes. Absolutely hilarious

[fierce marten]

Grenades scare me like ammo heavy builds, if I'm the only one using grenades and ammo boxes it's great. If there's someone else suddenly were rivals

I do only play pub so I don't know what coordination is

[ionic tusk]

we should play together sometime then lmao
love me my no resource builds

it's always so funny pinging a grenade and then realizing "wait... blades, rock, psyker, psyker.... noone in this lobby can pick them up!"

[fierce marten]

Zealot with blades and if theres a vet with ammo aura then im not picking anything up. For how much I play im not great, i do poorly under pressure which is probably why im capped at havoc 30ish

[ionic tusk]

it's really, really team related ime

I haven't dared to do havoc without at least one other person I know

but then all my friends reached havoc 40 and now none of them take it seriously anymore lmao

[fierce marten]

Yea, im very used to solo and got there probably cause of pious cutthroat and chorus

Even then some pubbies test it with constant chorus

[ionic tusk]

I am a support addict so the previous meta felt great

probably still gonna be a chorus/shout/bubble meta with the nerf tbh

[fierce marten]

Previous meta like when? I start at Unlocked and unloaded

[ionic tusk]

like prior to this update

[fierce marten]

Oh right, the base got nerf but the 2 talents buffed a bit

Still probably gonna run it on higher content

[ionic tusk]

I don't think it'd get significantly changed even if the talents weren't buffed

it's just gonna suck for everyone who was relying on that to tank stuff

the shooter change will probably just make bubbles last longer more than anything is my prediction

[fierce marten]

The defensive talent for chorus got increased to 40% TDR right?

[ionic tusk]

🤷‍♀️ I run damage anyways, maybe this will just make me swap

[fierce marten]

I would run damage ideally but my pub tendacies the TDR reduced fast wipes often for me

[ionic tusk]

huh
wonder if it lets the average pub tank crushers

[fierce marten]

You would expect 100 gold would last until it expires

It does for snipers

I dont know if the gold preventing sniper HP overflow works on melee but I dont see many tanking crushers hits

[ionic tusk]

afaik it does

I've tanked a lot of crusher hits but usually that's from panic blocking rather than toughness directly

it's like the only thing I block lmao

(because I have gotten stuck while dodging a lot)

[ionic tusk]

you can survive snipers without gold though, gold isn't special in that regard
it's just most players don't have enough toughness to survive without a +100

[fierce marten]

Its moreso the HP loss

[ionic tusk]

which only happens if your toughness gets broken

[fierce marten]

And puts them in glass HP range and I trust no one to not slip up including myself

Im very risk averse in darktide, i dont need resources but getting nothing for a lost 15 minutes feels worse than a dozen optimal matches feels good for me

[ionic tusk]

understandable
best to not get shot, yeah

[ionic tusk]

I do have a funny build in mind
psyker, kinetic deflection, 3 stamina curios, 3 block efficiency curio perks

betting it'll be able to facetank crushers easily (at great cost to doing anything else)

[fierce marten]

I thought I saw devils claw got buffed

[drowsy vine]

It did

[fierce marten]

I love devils claw when leveling it and just parrying crushers

I kind of wished it had more interesting blessings related to parrying

[regal pendant]

How do you deal with multiple bulwarks

[drowsy tusk]

Bomb

[marsh gyro]

What class?

Without knowing specifics, Either block the attacks with melee and counterattack, use a blitz to stagger, or poke 'em with melee weapon specials and chip at 'em

[regal pendant]

Zealot and ogryn

I can either brain burst or burn em with my Psyker and I run kraks on my vet

Unfortunately, I only have so many flame nades as a zealot, and I have no AoEs on my ogryn

[spiral badger]

you gotta do the dance

when they attack they're openn

[marsh gyro]

Charge blitz on zealot will stagger, as will chorus, shroudfield pops one

Ogryn's in the best spot because you just melee them from the left to pop the shield

[spiral badger]

ogryn it's really easy, charge your weapon and when they move their shield to attack you bop 'em on the head

[regal pendant]

Right, right

[spiral badger]

but yeah barring having a rumbler or something you gotta do The Dance

[opaque crown]

Yeah as far as big groups, don't panic, dodge a lot (or block), and smack em

Alternatively, taunt, block and let your squadmates chew em up unopposed

[fierce marten]

I dont ofte bring flamer but I think it damages past bulwark shield

[spiral badger]

it does but obviously that means you only have flamer lol

note: high level zealot play in havoc often uses flamer + knives because of that penetration factor

[opaque crown]

i always wondered if the "do more damage when shooting enemy in the back" is a big enough buff to warrant exploring two player combos. I lean towards no because its incredibly hard to control the enemy flow to give you the opportunity to mow them down from behind *without putting yourself at risk

[marsh gyro]

From personal testing, Raking fire blessing does about as much to the back torso as a front head shot so it's decent if you can set it up

If you get a weak spot hit from behind you win the mission

[opaque crown]

i guess it'd mow through a beast of nurgle's hp like no tomorrow since one of it's weakspots is from behind

[marsh gyro]

Infiltrate vet can do it good with aggro dump and shroudfield zealot does enough back torso damage to one tap maulers

[fierce marten]

I should be using flamer cause hordes get so dense but the annoyance of having a sniper super far and it's aiming at you and you don't have a response besides break line of sight or ability up has me on bolt pistol

[opaque crown]

if you are good at popping that knife, you can make use of it

[fierce marten]

I can't throw a knife that far well

Like the infamous long bridge and elevator

It is entirely a skill issue on my part, I use bolt pistol cause the hitbox for it seems dummy big. I vaguely point at a sniper and get kills I don't think I should

[marsh gyro]

I don't even know if the knife projectile vanishes or not after 50m, rumblers used to have a 50m fuse

[marsh gyro]

That's because the hit sphere it casts is a 10cm radius sphere and not a point so you're on the money

[opaque crown]

i found, weirdly, shotgun is godly for sniper dropping if you need to snap off shots

cause they dont have a lot of health and you only need to hit a little bit

though sometimes does necessitate multiple shots, which is less ideal

[spiral badger]

knife projectile travels forever

but it does arc heavily

and you have no indicator

so you have to just get good at judging the drop

[fierce marten]

The agri shotgun is like aimbot its very nice for picking off snipers if ypou want snapshot hipfire no time to aim

[fierce marten]

Damn 10 cm is wild leeway

[drowsy tusk]

Me when throwing knives

[ionic tusk]

according to kali the max travel time is 1.5 seconds
still probably not far enough for some out of map sniper spots?

I use vigilant autogun for snipers because it's likely to stagger even if it doesn't kill which buys some time unmolested to deal with the things messing up your aim
annoying if they're behind cover and it keeps knocking them down though

[marsh gyro]

Yeah I like me Falter on a vigilant

[fierce marten]

Interesting, is there a reason you use viligant autogun vs braced autogun?

[drowsy tusk]

Vigi is good for dropping stuff like ragers and gunners before they can do get close, braced can spray everything with great efficiency, inf auto is kinda in between

[ionic tusk]

I only use it at range and treat it like a full-auto scout rifle
I really don't think it's meta tho lmao

but using it like that it has fairly good ammo efficiency even if you don't get headshots, since it's reserved for specials and gunners past a certain range and nothing else

the blessings I have are just trying to make it be better at killing beasts of nurgle from behind (because I've struggled at dealing good dps vs those without risk) but that hasn't really been working out because I'll often be unable to get behind them and just have to shoot at their face or do nothing (which is bad)

usually I end up hitting center mass and staggering something, then recoil makes it keep pulling sharply upward until it hits their head and they die
but it's also effective if you have time to aim

so it kinda minimizes the threat that enemy presents as quickly and as reliably as possible

one really funny thing that happens sometimes though is there will be multiple specials near each other
so I'll end up stagger locking all of them as I work through their hp

I use the semi-auto mark (the other two are burst iirc) but it fires fast enough to count as auto in my book

[opaque crown]

I love the semi but it's sight picture, iirc, doesn't vibe with me

[ionic tusk]

oh yeah I gave up on sights in darktide very early into my experience

I should get a mod that makes guns transparent when you ads tbh

[opaque crown]

i know it doesnt vibe with the pacing of the game BUT i would love a bolt action

the mechanical cachunk-blam with some sort of reward for perfect shot placement would be cool

[ionic tusk]

hm, I think it might work? helbore style but not a laser
it'd probably work out to something like a slower revolver in practice, which is not great, but the ammo efficiency could be much better along with clip reloads

[white rover]

Funnily enough there are bolt action Lasguns mentioned in some of the books.

[opaque crown]

arent they called a laslock or something

[ionic tusk]

🤔 it could be cool if something had like >=10 shots with revolver damage model but slower fire rate, I wonder how that would play for boss fights

[opaque crown]

if the bolt action had a beautiful sight picture and that one shot one kill vibe, i could forgive many many sins

[ionic tusk]

customizable sights in general would be great
otherwise everyone's gonna disagree on what good sights are lol

[waxen patio]

"not whatever the helbore lasguns have"

[fierce marten]

I'm not really sure what gun would be good for monstrosities as a zealot.

[opaque crown]

out of the existing or like a wishlist?

[fierce marten]

Existing

[opaque crown]

none of em are gonna rip through em, but ive seen great performance out of the boltgun, the bolt pistol, the braced auto

[fierce marten]

Gun is usually an afterthought for me on zealot as something to take out snipers

[spiral badger]

bolter is basically your option

[opaque crown]

and the revolver

[spiral badger]

flamer is also serviciable

[opaque crown]

sorry was finishing my thought

not adding to yours

[fierce marten]

Ah a shame, I already use bolter or bolt pistol on most builds

Usually bolter, not sure what's good so I take the bleed and armor blessing

[ionic tusk]

yeah for bosses it's just bolter I think
however meleeing bosses is very effective, depending on your melee weapon (which makes me think you have a specific one that's bad at that in mind?)

[opaque crown]

ive seen the revolver do work, but its hardly like ideal

weak spot hits n all that

[fierce marten]

Usually dueling sword or knife depending on my mood, on harder content I do chorus instead of shroudfield

[opaque crown]

and ive seen a braced auto be respectible

[ionic tusk]

dueling sword and knife are both great at bosses afaik

[fierce marten]

Shroudfield I'm fine on bosses, chorus is one where besides the damage boost chorus I'm not sure what to do

[opaque crown]

main thing is dodge good and hit the weakspot

[ionic tusk]

plague ogyrn is the easiest, you can dance with it and just like. stab it to death solo

[opaque crown]

if you're not going like meme hammer one shotter

the real challenge is ultimately managing the boss when other stuff is happening

[fierce marten]

For me it's the beasts of nurgles spawning in the tunnels

[ionic tusk]

beast of nurgle entirely depends on the ai and if you get behind it (and to dodge the tail whip)

ah yeah, I have the same problem

shooting the front with boltor is definitely the best you'll get in that scenario

[fierce marten]

And it's so narrow I can't get behind without hitbox and the bile line down a hall is not ideal for Melee

[ionic tusk]

or maybe flamer with brittleness

[opaque crown]

a cursed way to handle it is if youre no the damage member of hte team for hte boss, get intentionally eaten to buy them time to whale on the beast

[fierce marten]

Or daemonhost triggers

Or worse daemonhost triggered then player DC and now it's on me

[opaque crown]

they'll usually do enough damage to make you get spit out right after

[ionic tusk]

what I try to do sometimes is just get behind it even if it's super deadly

then if it's chasing me I'll focus on staying alive rather than attacking it

and hope someone else hits the weakspot

[fierce marten]

I guess I'm doing the optimal route if I don't want to go hammer and shroudfield, bolter it up and keep everyone alive

[marsh gyro]

Bolter and knife is a solid kit

[opaque crown]

i find hard focusing into the boss killing could be a liabilit when you gotta manage other stuff too

[marsh gyro]

However, braced revolver also does huge burst

[opaque crown]

but hammer shroudfield is real good at boss dropping

[fierce marten]

I'm not a fan of thammer in general

[opaque crown]

i think you can shroudfield and braced revolver right?

[ionic tusk]

oh, true, yeah
but I feel that's going to suffer if you're not behind it

[ionic tusk]

I don't think that would be much more potent than shroudfield and backstabbing it

🤔 the shroudfield would only apply to the first shot, right?

[marsh gyro]

Yeah sometimes it ain't perfect and you just gotta shoot the tongue

[ionic tusk]

ultimately I don't think there really is an answer to beast of nurgle like that besides 'lose all your ammo'
because there will always be a scenario where getting behind it is actually impossible

[ionic tusk]

oh is that a weakspot????

[fierce marten]

What does shoot the tongue do

[ionic tusk]

learn new things everyday lmao

[fierce marten]

That's a fatshark game for you

The many unwritten mechanics that you'll never know unless you source file search

[marsh gyro]

Not a weak spot, though it does do about double damage compared to center mass
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/enemies/beast-of-nurgle

[ionic tusk]

that damage spread is so cursed

vital info, thank you

[spiral badger]

thammer is a hyperspecialist tool

it's ok at being a normal weapon but you will smite monsters with the force of an angry god

but the rest of the time you're using a kinda ok bonk stick

so if there's no monsters you just spend the whole game feeling mediocre

however, if there's a monstrous specialists modifier around

you get to have some fun

[fierce marten]

My thing is the setup for a 1 shot assuming like a martyr build

[spiral badger]

you can one shot quite easily without martyr, I usually run crit

and one shotting isn't even really the point

[marsh gyro]

Even without a 1 shot it's a big chunk

[spiral badger]

two shotting it's still dead

[ionic tusk]

if you chunk it the 3 other people might be able to extend and kill it before your next swing anyways

[marsh gyro]

Two zealots with hammers vs monstrosities is the true competitive PVP to see who makes the feed

[ionic tusk]

lot more appealing to empty your revolver into a boss that's about to die than to have it empty while the boss is still alive and specialists might spawn

I do think for chaos spawn and plague ogyrn especially though, knife and ds4 have amazing boss damage

oh that reminds me
is there a way to hit a chaos spawn weakspot while it's targeting someone in a corner or is it essentially inverse beast of nurgle

[marsh gyro]

Yeah only hits on the front get a bonus so you'll want to stagger it with an explosion

[regal pendant]

The first Mk. has a really good horde clearing heavy attack, it feels proper good to use

[opaque crown]

im a big fan of the... ironhelm was it? The hammer that has more punch through but less pizazz

it also has the mixed combos

[quiet escarp]

Has anyone played around with rippers since the update? How are they finding them? I've got a 500 power one with flechette and fire frenzy that I've been sitting on for when they finally get buffed

[marsh gyro]

Can opener ripper bayonet is really good, I gotta try Flechette/Burn gungryn

[spiral badger]

guys I think we might be cooked

[opaque crown]

Anyone encountering glitches in the mortis trails where you don't get to select an indulgence

On any wave where you get to pick

[marsh gyro]

Hotfix dropped today, that issue isn't listed but it might be better now
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-63-1-7-1/106420

[marsh gyro]

Flechette / Cavalcade Mk 2 Ripper is really good with all the crit bonuses, turns out

[opaque crown]

oh ripper is so back

thats my favorite way to run it

also in sephoni's mortis trials, you can get a frankly ludicrous crit spam for a gunner ogryn

[regal pendant]

I'm not sure if it's a me issue but it feels like the Devil's Claw desperately needs some buffs

Like, is it me doing something wrong here, or is it really just kind of mid in most cases?

[marsh gyro]

What class and what build because it cleaves great and it knocks folks down great and benefits good from brittleness

[regal pendant]

Veteran, it's a Weapons Specialist build that leans a little more towards melee than ranged

Definitely just me using it wrong I think

[sonic elbow]

it's Decent but nowhere near the top even discounting dueling sword and knife

mainly a space making weapon

[marsh gyro]

I run a claw with a bolter on left side Vet looking like this, I'll have to pull my Weapon Spec Claw build
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b86a74e-6eb2-49b0-b525-f6e5cd110eb7/bolter-focus-stand-and-bang

[regal pendant]

Hrm

Should give this a spin

[sonic elbow]

I think they're afraid of giving it much better stats because of the parry

and relevance of parry in a given match is down to the phase of the moon

it has some extremely neat uses for bosses/monsters/hosts but let's be real, it's none of these that kill teams above 4

...whatever difficulty 4 is called I'm not learning your names again fatshark

[marsh gyro]

Substitute out the knife for a Mk 7 Devil's Claw with Shred and Hammerblow and you're great to go
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b86d98b-0880-4b0b-a108-5777e28f0831/living-after-midknife-plasma-til-the-dawn

[regal pendant]

I'll give that one a shot too

[spiral badger]

Parry is actually really good against ragers, which are a significant threat all the time

If you know how to aim it you can consistently one shot them with a parry

As an overall package it's in the large category of weapons that are Fine

[fierce marten]

Does parry need to be aim? I never noticed

[marsh gyro]

It hits where you point it and has a big finesse weak point bonus

[fierce marten]

Huh that explains why its so good for ragers

[marsh gyro]

The 4 amigos

[brazen fossil]

Aight

Any of you cooked with the new ogryn yet

I've got a really solid build going

[marsh gyro]

What are you running?

[brazen fossil]

Let me share it

Rn I'm running this with a shield

It is very funny

Auric damnation feels very easy

I'm unsure about the brittleness on push and corruption resist

Considering swapping to

Because rn it's shooters which deal the most damage when they flank or sneak in a shot

[marsh gyro]

Brittleness on push is weird because right now I don't think it has a cooldown so you can push 4 times for 40% brittleness for the team but it's only a 5s timer

[marsh gyro]

Yeah these 2 nodes are really good

[brazen fossil]

Yeah

30% corruption resistance is nice

But also

I don't think I ever die because of corruption

With healing stims and medicae

[marsh gyro]

It might be more relevant on Havoc where more stuff does corruption on hit

I've been running a maniac fighting game combo cleaver light attack crit build with bottom left side melee stacks and bottom right crit bonuses and strength on special and crit on push blessings and it's been hilarious though arguably not more effective than stacking all the heavy attack modifiers on a Mk6 cleaver

[brazen fossil]

Yeah

But it's still a question of "not dying now" vs "not dying eventually"

[marsh gyro]

Punch in face for strength > push for crit > heavy attack for 5s bonus > light attack > light attack is the intended loop and it winds up having more flailing in practice

[marsh gyro]

Yeah 2.5s of ranged attack reduction is huge vs gunners

[brazen fossil]

Like the shield helps a lot but sometimes you need to be hitting things and moving

Having to turtle on havoc kills you

Not to mention

The 15% extra damage is pretty huge

And basically always active

[marsh gyro]

It's not hard to keep up on dodge yeah

[brazen fossil]

And if you get hit

It also activated

[ionic tusk]

the only thing that heals hp (for ogyrns) that doesn't just heal any relevant corruption anyways is medpacks

and all corruption is flat hp damage so ogyrns, with the most max hp, are least effected

[ionic tusk]

haven't played during new update yet, but there was a lot of turtling in the high level havocs I did

mostly pausing for a better chance to push a dangerous room and clearing out enemies before entering

[ionic tusk]

that said the spawning changes are probably going to punish this a lot

[marsh gyro]

Did they adjust spawns to punish turtling?

[ionic tusk]

no they adjusted it to fix bugs with going backwards

but in doing so they made it time-based instead of distance-based and deliberately did a couple smaller things to remove periods of downtime

[marsh gyro]

Oh yeah that tracks, I've noticed more dudes when kiting monstrosities backward

[ionic tusk]

this is true (and also the things that deal corruption deal more of it)
it might also help with blight spreads

I kinda doubt it'll be worth getting unless it's helping pay the tax of something else, though

[fierce marten]

Interesting I've never really retreated that much, probably when I should have.

Only times are like, monstrosity in a tunnel

[ionic tusk]

I'm not sure it worked like that, the way it was described was more "if you go back too far everything breaks and nothing spawns for a bit"

[marsh gyro]

You could run the node with triple corruption resist curios for 66% less purple by volume

[ionic tusk]

that's a fairly huge investment though

[marsh gyro]

Yeah if purple reduction worked on wounds I'd slam it all day

[ionic tusk]

🤔 I do wonder how much crushers hurt ogyrn corruption wise in high havoc

[ionic tusk]

that would break everything
beacon would heal wounds lmao

if the 30% node is in the way of other stuff it'd almost certainly be worth it in havoc but iirc it's completely out of the way and leads to nothing

[marsh gyro]

I'd run the node more if it wasn't behind brittleness on push, it's tough to use that node

[fierce marten]

Oh I see, i always assumed it was both time and location based

[ionic tusk]

I suspect it's also less useful on ogyrn because being able to tank tons of corruption damage is not actually that great- because it means you needed to take even more health damage

[marsh gyro]

I can confirm that Slam is bugged and regenerates stamina on ranged stagger too which makes Concentrate node about twice as good as it's intended to be

[fierce marten]

I never really back off to a previous room like that before

[ionic tusk]

sorry think I explained that poorly

[spiral badger]

the one thing corruption resistance is really good for is book carrying

so i could see taking the node for 4 ogryn grimoire hunting

for achievements

[ionic tusk]

yeah
and havoc doesn't have them

[spiral badger]

for havoc? yeah no

high havoc, by the time corruption matters you're proooobably already dead

[ionic tusk]

beacon can counteract it also tho

[spiral badger]

beacon is neutral at 1 grim and mildly overpowered by 2

[ionic tusk]

and also iirc normal corruption resist doesn't work on both types of grim corruption which is why you need the actual curio perk

[spiral badger]

so it's still nice to have additional resist

[ionic tusk]

there's a fixed chunk and then over time

ogyrn cares less about grims in the first place though

since more max hp it has to chew through

the use case I can see for havoc is maybe if it lets you tank X crushers without going over a wound threshold
but then you also need to tank X crushers hp wise without going down and consuming a wound anyway (which just fills the rest of the bar and doesn't care if it's 90% filled), since in most cases the max hp decrease doesn't matter, or you're going to have a beacon to heal off the blight spreads damage anyways

[marsh gyro]

Ogryn has like 420 HP on a common setup and so at 33% corruption pass through to get to 1 wound fully corrupted it needs to take 420 health damage while with the node it can take 700 health damage or so before hitting 1 wound so it's a nice chunk

[ionic tusk]

the numbers change a bit in havoc iirc (in favor of this node being good)

[marsh gyro]

Looks like it caps at 30% so it holds pretty true

[ionic tusk]

afaik it's bonus, and crushers already do some corruption damage base?

I cannot find the base corruption amount of crushers, but I swear bulwarks and crushers do do some basekit

[marsh gyro]

Haha, turns out melee attacks do 50% more damage at high havoc too so that racks up the corruption

[ionic tusk]

yeah I've had multiple times where I got crushered and until death proc'd
and I only had 1 max hp until beacon started healing lmao

then I find a medstation and am back to full

[marsh gyro]

From this Reddit post which is a little old and creaky, looks like 416 base for the overhead on threat 5, 2x multiplier to toughness, 25% spills over to health
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/17ytif5/all_enemy_attacks_damage_values_healthtoughness/

So on Havoc 40 that'd be 624 x2 to toughness for 1248 incoming, about 150 toughness soaks it, about 250 HP damage gets through, about 80 corruption, which the node would cut to 56

With like 40% damage reduction from the tree only 150 HP gets through so like 30 HP corrupted with node

[brazen fossil]

So here is a question

Usually I see ogryns focus health

But I find myself doing way worse with health curios over toughness

[marsh gyro]

I do 2 toughness 1 health with 5% each toughness and health on each one for about 47% toughness 36% health boost

[brazen fossil]

I currently run all toughness

But so far I've been just chilling in damnation

Havoc might force me to switch up

[marsh gyro]

About 150 toughness is comfy and 200 toughness real nice for me

[brazen fossil]

I have 233 toughness on my build and it just so nice

Especially with all the DR

The only thing that can kinda screw the dream up is bursters and snipers

But I have a shield

[marsh gyro]

I'm a big fan of the turbo buffed node for toughness regen while aiming

[opaque crown]

ogryn grim hunting is hilarious

blessed is the mind too small for doubt

[neon nymph]

So, fellow Ogryn, I'd like to ask a simple question
How do I Power Maul?
Because on paper, and conceptually it's a brillant weapon, but for some reason I cannot fully make it 'click'

[marsh gyro]

What blessings and what build are you running?

[neon nymph]

Well, my build is Full Gunlugger, blessings is uhhh...

[sonic elbow]

gunlugger might be the way because it's more of an utility than power weapon

[neon nymph]

Explain?

[opaque crown]

I find the power club to be a bit rock and roll if you have rending and more damage on stagger blessings

i struggle a bit with big splosion build

cause it doesnt perform i think as well as id like

[sonic elbow]

I haven't played the rework yet so maybe it's different but previously it was never a damage powerhouse and for me the value lied in power surge and the... plus damage taken or brittleness, I don't remember which

[opaque crown]

but with rending + damage and then a trait for bonus to carapace, you have a reaaaally good generalist weapon

[sonic elbow]

so two powered up smacks maxed out the debuff stacks

[neon nymph]

Got it, I'm kind of bouncing between weapons trying to find a good backup secondary and I can't seem to stick with anything too much

[sonic elbow]

most of my clear came from bleed on heavy iirc

[opaque crown]

to me the shovel makes an amazing backup

[neon nymph]

Really? Which one?

[opaque crown]

fold helps you deal with heavies

and the normal is a decent but not great generalist tool

Folding though is what im talking about

dont remember hte mark

[neon nymph]

Well that's why I'm asking, there's two folding shovels

[opaque crown]

if i can check in a few ill tag you

[sonic elbow]

oh, also: the powered up attack was considered an explosion for radius increases

[opaque crown]

but no can do atm

[sonic elbow]

so it will most likely work with the fire explosions perk now

[opaque crown]

In general the folding shovels and the power club are great generalists that get outperformed in specialties

clem mentioned before to me that the power club has the best across the board performance against all armor types on average

which is neat

i just like being able to big hit with hte folded shovel

[marsh gyro]

I'm running Power Maul on left side with all the heavy melee boosts and holding M1 and it does the trick good with kickback

[sonic elbow]

most of my power maul time was on gunlugger or hybrid builds and yeah I've never felt particularly debilitated by not having perks for it

[neon nymph]

That's... Good to know, maybe I just need to learn the combos

[opaque crown]

thats not to say its always better, i may have worded that weird

but that it has the best average performance

meaning it can be mid against everything instead of excellent against some stuff

[marsh gyro]

If you charge the maul and do light light heavy that's just about enough to kill a reaper or crusher or most a bulwark and if they're still standing give 'em another charged light-light

[brazen fossil]

aight

corruption resist lost me a mission 😄

[brazen fossil]

I got netted on one of those points of no return

and it took for EVEr to die

[marsh gyro]

Oh dang that's rough

[marsh gyro]

Turns out that speed gun psyker with the new run 'n' gun autopistol rules

[opaque crown]

ohh?

autopistol rockn and rollin?

[marsh gyro]

Pinning Fire + Inspiring Barrage + Gaze + Disrupt Destiny = you run so fast

[drowsy tusk]

<@&1042950387478560878> wha if we tide

[worldly talon]

I want to Tide Tide

[drowsy tusk]

yeag

[dawn totem]

Can I catch the tide with you all?

[drowsy tusk]

prolly yea, im still launching

[worldly talon]

...my executive dysfunction strikes again because I completely forgot about this

[drowsy tusk]

All good lol

[tough compass]

https://youtube.com/shorts/IUmI3ykTcPU?si=b3HjehVFX9unbcSV

[dawn totem]

Did they take out one of the revolvers? Can't seem to find the first version for my Zealot.

[marsh gyro]

If you're looking in Brunt's they only have one kind of revolver because you can toggle it to the other mark easy

[marsh gyro]

New hotfix 1.7.2 dropped today, they're listening:
Fixed issue where the equipped weapon was not the first one being selected when opening the weapon selection in the inventory or crafting.

[drowsy tusk]

Thank fuck

[frigid saffron]

that was annoying- I thought something felt off about hadron stuff- glad that was a bug

[marsh gyro]

Bottom right Critical hit bottom left melee tree hybrid shield/rumbler ogryn appears to be a universal lockpick on Auric, this rules

[drowsy tusk]

Ooo that sounds neat

[marsh gyro]

<@&1042950387478560878> Who wants to weekend tide?

[worldly talon]

Gimme a sec to finish this mortis

Never mind, the server crashed

[marsh gyro]

Just logging on now, so can hop in a channel shortly

[worldly talon]

Did you just add me or was that somebody random

[marsh gyro]

That was me - can use this text chat or strike team as needed

[worldly talon]

Cool. I remain a Mute Motherfucker ™️

[marsh gyro]

Mortis Trials still rule, will tide more later

[regal pendant]

You know

I kinda wanna see about finding a Rogue Trader game or some such to play as one of my rejects in

Seems like it'd be a fun idea

[opaque crown]

I feel as though maybe maledictum might be a good fit for the vibe and WanG would be good for the action

i think... it was WanG thats coming out with a darktide module no?

https://cubicle7games.com/warhammer-40-000-roleplay-wrath-glory-darktide-extraction

[worldly talon]

<Ahem>

It literally takes HALF A SECOND, so please please PLEASE for the love of the fucking God-Emperor RELEASE YOUR GODDAMN TEAMMATE FROM THE NET before trying to fight the trapper and the horde around them, so maybe next time in the future we can avoid a wipe because your stupid fucking ass decided to ignore both the trapped teammate, then another teammate trapped by the same trapper while fighting the horde, and then you also got hit by the same trapper after the first two teammates went down.

WHILE STANDING OVER THEM, I might add

Not that rando Knife Zealot is on this server or anything.

[regal pendant]

REAL AND TRUE

Knife zealots always do shit like that

[sonic elbow]

there's something so funny about trapper AI not knowing what to do after landing a net

they stand there like "I'm glad this worked but I didn't plan this far"

[regal pendant]

Ah, but you see, the snipers of Darktide have special training in kickboxing

[regal pendant]

"I DID IT! I DID IT I DID IT I DID IT!!! I TRAPPED THE LOYALIST SCUM WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!"

"...what now."

[fierce marten]

This when you let the trapper go and it comes back to net someone right after you get up

[worldly talon]

In this case it was neither killing hte trapper nor bothering to free the people it trapped

Instead of slashing away at a bunch of poxwalkers

So the trapper comes back to trap the teammate who went to pick me up

And then the knife zealot proceeds to ignore him too despite essentially standing on top of him

[fierce marten]

The pub blindness is real

Just do a full chorus and they're just slapping pox walkers while someone is down and someone is dancing with crusher packs

[marsh gyro]

It turns out the purple guys on Havocs that can heal folks around them can be the scab captains and this can happen when a beastie of nurgle is also around

[opaque crown]

so the beastie heals itself, the captain heals it and himself and the dudes around em?

[regal pendant]

Glad I don't touch Havoc, it sounds absolutely terrible

[marsh gyro]

It's pretty chill up til 25 or so, it's not so bad to blow through as a wrecking ball with the party finder

[spiral badger]

havoc is for weirdos like me who find auric damnation kind of easy now

[fierce marten]

Sub 20 havoc is easier than auric

[regal pendant]

Sub 20 is easy, but anything above 19 is just

Miserable

Mostly thanks to Emperor's Fading Light tbh

Like, I could deal with all the nonsense it chucks at me if it wasn't also actively spiking my durability into the fucking ground

[drowsy vine]

I mean, yeah, it's intentionally designed to be very hard

If you don't wanna do it that's entirely fair, it isn't for everyone

[regal pendant]

Aye, aye

[worldly talon]

<ahem>

THIS SHIT AIN'T NOTHIN' TO ME MAN
WE'RE ON THAT 5X MARTYRDOM STACK
MY WRATH: HOLY
MY COSMETICS: GUCCI
YOU'RE BLOCK CANCELLING AND MIXING UP ATTACKS
I'M SPAMMING M1 YOU STUPID PIECE OF SHIT

(I've forgotten how much fun Charge Zealot is.)

[marsh gyro]

Got the zoomies

[regal pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/demoman-demo-demoknight-charge-tf2-gif-3446495185090371320

[marsh gyro]

Havoc rank demotions gonna get patched next week to be less strict, no penalty for helping lower folks, no deranks at 40 unless you want one
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1361210/view/520835774959060130?l=english

[neon nymph]

Oh nice, I might get some people to play with!

I really want the cosmetics from havoc, but actually playing it is painful

[brazen fossil]

Is it just me or is the new mode really easy

Even on damnation it is kinda silly how easy it feels

[marsh gyro]

2 frag bombs every 20 seconds and 65% critical hit rate with infinite ammo on crits with a heavy stubber does solve a lot of trials yeah

[opaque crown]

Man I play ogryn for weeks and jump to psyker, I feel like I'm made of paper

[frank igloo]

It can be easy when youve got a group that knows what youre doing but esp on the later waves if people arent on top of things or picked too overlapping of indulgences things can spiral

[marsh gyro]

Yeah if you're honestly killing things with bullets it can be super tense

[marsh gyro]

Are you using a staff or gun? Inspiring Barrage really helps on gun

[fierce marten]

Psykers very much is the glassiest cannon in order to clear hordes, punished very heavily for mistakes.

[worldly talon]

Box + the 3 extra grenades skill, + throw two grenades indulgence, + 50% chance of extra grenade explosion + regen box every 20 seconds

Your framerate is dead

So are the heretics

[fierce marten]

Combine with flamer and everyone crashes

[opaque crown]

I do hope they add harder difficulties to mortis trials, but otherwise they're very fun

[fierce marten]

Damn that's wild. Darktide endgame vets keep powerscaling faster than devs.

It seems difficult to create a challenge players at some point in darktide as a dev. PCs are just real strong with right synergies and game knowledge and adding enemies and NPC abilities would be a lot more work compared to debuffing players like in havoc without making it unfun. I don't envy fatshark

[sonic elbow]

not surprising, both vermintides kept getting increasingly insane modded difficulties because the players kept finding themselves getting better

the 3bil scoville cuban pete deathwish onslaught CBT nightmare pack lobby

(the names got silly as they kept combining modifiers)

[ionic tusk]

I think adding new enemies would probably screw over new players while the vets would adjust better only having to learn 1 new enemy at a time
I've seen that happen in games that require game knowledge on every thing you face up against that slowly accumulate them over time

that's not to say I don't want new enemies- just that even horizontal difficulty also favors vets and gates newer players

I think the problem with havoc is that the modifers are poorly constructed and have less % effect ultimately on the meta builds
which makes groups without the 'crutch' mechanics implode and not realize why

[sonic elbow]

yeah the meta builds are specifically the ones that skirt around emperor's fading light

[ionic tusk]

they were meta before havoc!

[sonic elbow]

don't know EFL is a thing? good luck

[ionic tusk]

yeah the game straight up doesn't even imply how it works

I first noticed my toughess going down and went 'must be an unlisted penalty'

it really needs to be changed to be a % penalty

they nerfed chorus when they should have nerfed gold toughness in havoc directly (and also nerfed chorus and shout on their own)

[sonic elbow]

nerfing chorus instead of shout first sure was a choice

like yeah both need to be nerfed

[ionic tusk]

they also keep throwing around 'auric intensity' as a term and it's nonsensical because EFL has a whole gradient of intensity upgrades while auric is just 'mandatory high intensity mod'

gold toughess would be 2x less dumb if the toughness penalty was % based
so still pretty dumb but not like 'this is THE meta'

🤔 eh thinking on that more
with current chorus and shout still the meta tbh

chorus reaching 100% uptime kinda breaks it

[sonic elbow]

the zealot is 100% committed to chorusing and only chorusing so I'd let it remain a bit stronger in its ideal post-nerf form

but vet gets instant effects without interrupting any actions

[ionic tusk]

the main problem is that you can spam them so much

having a "we win" button only works if you can't mash it every 20s

(for chorus)

((that's with perfect crit cooldown uptime but no psykinetic aura procs from friendly psykers or curios))

[ionic tusk]

you can cancel it and use it as a discount vet shout (I do this a lot)

that works really well when reviving
gold toughess against gunners and the melee enemies at the start of their stagger anim

[fierce marten]

Pious cutthroat my beloved

If I added end game enemies I'd only add it on higher difficulties

[marsh gyro]

Unleash the Nurglings

[opaque crown]

i do think nurglings would be a fun if annoying addition

probably want to do less damage then a pox walker

[drowsy tusk]

Nurglings in a pile to add another sorta medium sized enemy

[marsh gyro]

3 Nurglings in a trench coat standing on each others' shoulders

[ionic tusk]

that's not even the meta one, which I find hilarious

[fierce marten]

It's my problematic love child, I like maximum ability spam

Is it overkill, yes, but I like spamming abilities

[ionic tusk]

need a team of 4 psykers all with psykinetic aura and warp charges

[opaque crown]

fire scream stacking

[waxen patio]

I love ability cooldown maxxing psyker, I love pressing my screamy buttons

[regal pendant]

Psyker @ the heretics:

[waxen patio]

Though I think the most fun psyker build I ever did was Scrier's Gaze + Disrupt Destiny with a Mk6 Greatsword.

You just run around chasing the bright blue enemies, kill them and turn to the next one, repeat until your greatsword is charged and then cleave the room in half.

that plus a vraks infantry autogun that just absolutely crit-dumped 90 bullets at a time during scrier's and mulched everything that was dumb enough to be in line of sight

[fierce marten]

It's very fun

Like psychic zealot that can anime wave slash

I get easily too tunneled vision by blue to really be good

[marsh gyro]

Goes even better with the new run n' gun autopistol too

[fierce marten]

And I'm not great at the game so when gaze is on CD I kind of usually just avoid everything dangerous until it's back because psyker gets punished for slight misplays with death.

[marsh gyro]

Yeah as much as I love Gaze the rectangle shields are way safer

[fierce marten]

I like the idea of being good with psyker and greats wording but I don't want to put in the work, zealot is shrimpler

[fierce marten]

I tried my own shriek builds for greats word and I learned I'm not good at build rafting

[marsh gyro]

Shred/Blazing Spirit and left side burny nodes should treat you good

[fierce marten]

I tried a lot on a soulfire build with toughness on soulfire kills and spreading nodes with shriek spam to keep it aflame a lot

The idea is something would be constantly dying to soulfire in a horde for constant toughness but I think there's some internal cool down or something and I didn't get as much as I needed d

[waxen patio]

the soulfire spreading nodes fundamentally just don't work right

you gotta be applying that stuff directly via inferno staff or venting shriek

inferno stick is pretty fun though, especially when you get to singlehandedly torch down entire mixed hordes

[marsh gyro]

The toughness regen works if the mob has blaze stacks on it but they go fast so it tends to be in bursts

I like a gun with inspiring barrage as a backup for W+M1 insurance, braced auto is good

[fierce marten]

Sadge

[regal pendant]

How much stagger can you get with the Bully Club slap?

Like, what's the highest degree of per-hit stagger one can theoretically achieve?

[opaque crown]

Iirc you can also the plague ogryn in the face and stagger him. Aside from that I dunno

[marsh gyro]

Melee Ogryn can pretty easy get +80% impact from heavy hitter and +25% once per second from Slam for +105% before strength bonuses, the slap has like 2-4 impact but it has a 10x multiplier vs weak spots and ignores stagger resist and is coded as an explosion so full stacks slap ogryn will send ragers and maulers flying on face slap. Big Ogryns need a few slaps to fall over but will get staggered. Plague Ogryn needs 200 impact from an explosion to get staggered so in theory 4 ogryns all slapping its face twice within a second should do it

I've got to sit down a little bit this weekend and update my cleave guide now that source code's updated with new tree and ogryn weapons

[sonic elbow]

...do slaps set them on fire with that talent?

[marsh gyro]

Let's find out!
Edit: It turns out it does not - it staggers like an explosion, it just isn't one

[regal pendant]

Lame

I wanna cook a plague ogryn by slapping it

[regal pendant]

...would someone perhaps be willing to help me troubleshoot my mods?

I cannot for the life of me figure out what the fuck is wrong here

At this point I'm mildly considering uninstalling the game and deleting everything and just redoing it all from the ground up

[split mantle]

I can, but it'll have to be in text.

[regal pendant]

That works

So I updated the mod launcher, but when I try to actually run any mods it just keeps giving me a backend error

Did I maybe update it incorrectly?

[split mantle]

Well what does the error say?

[regal pendant]

Just

"Backend error"

[split mantle]

Well that's odd.

Wait, was the game update a major or minor update?

[regal pendant]

Unsure

But everything's been updated since

All my mods that I use were updated, the mod launcher itself has been updated

[split mantle]

What I mean is was this working after Nightmares & Visions rolled out?

[regal pendant]

And I'm using all the newly updated files

[regal pendant]

OH no, that's what broke it for me

[split mantle]

Okay, major.

Right. Follow these and throw the file in Discord for me.

Press the Windows key + R
Enter %appdata% within the search input and select ‘OK’
Navigate to AppData\Roaming\Fatshark\Darktide\console_logs
Locate the console log that corresponds with the session in which the issue occurred, by looking at the timestamps in the log names

Really we just want the most recent one.

[regal pendant]

Believe this is the one

[split mantle]

Did you get Weapon Customisation from the modding Discord or the Nexus?

[regal pendant]

Nexus

I'm guessing that's the issue

[split mantle]

Probably. Sorry didn't get back to you earlier.

[regal pendant]

It's all good

[regal pendant]

Man that Kickback is fun as shit

Just launching a massive cloud of lead and watching a horde dissolve into red mist is nice

God Ogryn feels fucking incredible now, I'm so happy for this rework

I actually feel like a giant tank with legs

[marsh gyro]

Kickback is even a valid counter sniper!

[regal pendant]

Maybe, but y'know what else is

Yuckin a rock at terminal velocity right into their nose

Yooooooooooooooo look who was at Brunt's

[regal pendant]

Trying out the heavy las pistol

I... think I like it?

But the spread is weird as hell

[wraith shuttle]

I gotta find a consistent group for darktide I just played 15 missions in a row and i haven't been able to clear a single one with randoms

[regal pendant]

I'd be happy to play with ya