#dark tidings (Darktide for people in the searchbar)

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sonic elbow
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mutie throws are genuinely so helpful

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they're the MVPs

ionic tusk
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nah they can absolutely murder you

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usually it's helpful but sometimes you get tossed into fire or down a corridor away from the group into a bunch of elites

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or just held in fire/tox gas for a bit before they decide to throw you deeper in

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it's just rare

sonic elbow
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oh lmao

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the mental image

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getting fuckin broiled

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mutie in grill master apron

ionic tusk
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yeah

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also if there's multiple the charge itself can keep displacing you and preventing you from acting until a disabler hits you

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that said good teammates will kill the mutant before the throw 80% of the time

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even if you're not in coherency you'll get saved like half of the time

cloud hazel
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this man said stamina is garbage im going to vomit

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in my eyes

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downplaying The zealot relic in 2025

ionic tusk
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I have a meme vet build that takes no stamina curios but 2 stamina regen nodes to larp as psyker

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it luckily has 1 stamina from a talent

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running dueling sword with no stamina boosts whatsoever makes dogs and poxbursters problematic because if you need to handle 2 in short succession or one decides to mess around with you, you'll run out and be unable to doubleshove

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and doubleshove is really needed to be consistent

cloud hazel
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very nice to mandatory on combat knife as well

ionic tusk
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it also really helps with saves

cloud hazel
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because you count as blocking during the pickup right

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always wondered

ionic tusk
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I've needed to solo rez as chorus zealot a lot

ionic tusk
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idk if you count as having your melee weapon out though

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but assists, rescues, and revives all have that
interacting with environment objects doesn't

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it's also why kinetic deflection on psyker (block with converted peril cost then fallback to stamina) is one of the best talents in the game

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because they can just block the entire melee ball trying to stop the revive and not care unless a shooter pops their toughness (as long as they started with low peril and aren't getting multi crushered)

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anyway
vigilant autogun pitch
scout rifle that you can fire really fast and has decent stagger despite being ostensibly a headshot-focused weapon
so you shoot the specialist in the gut, they get staggered, and then you shoot a few more times and then they die
useful when you are in a pile of stuff, or when you aren't, at any range

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it kicks a lot
hence continuing to bodyshot instead of trying to migrate to a headshot

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A: Stamina is never worth it. Psyker and Vet are the only classes that should even consider Stamina curios, and even then it is highly questionable. Is it nice to have? Sure. Do you need it? No, and keeping it on will only make you more reliant on it the longer you use it. Taking Stamina gives you something you don't need in exchange for one of the most important things that you do need. It is a terrible decision, especially on Zealot. If you can't keep yourself alive without extra Stamina, not having enough Stamina isn't the problem:```
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pain

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I thought the build wasn't that bad but like. it feels like they're playing a different game to everyone else where they just ignore their teammates

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and probably just ragequit if their teammates don't get to them before their health runs out after they get disabled

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but yeah I ignored it outright because I'm a supportpilled Gamer and wanted chorus lol

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I hadn't played zealot in a while and wanted to get back into havoc quickly
and my old build was uh, not that great since I had last updated it 3 months ago
so I just netdecked xd

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too busy being silly in the ogyrn event with vet 😔

sonic elbow
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I had the thought of making a joke ALL THE HEALTH/DR zealot but just picking the funny nodes alone is very hard

marsh gyro
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I'm very big on cleave clownhousing and if 3/4 players be cleaving that's plenty of room for a single target melee specialization

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Havocs, while sweaty, are conquered through the spirit of jolly cooperation and it's always unfortunate to hear folks going after folks in a crew

sonic elbow
brazen fossil
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I believe in the spirit of jolly cooperation

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That's why I bring my strongest (read: stupid) builds into havoc

regal pendant
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Why I bring my shouty veteran

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SOMEONE needs to have some semblance of support and giving the team free temp HP and instant revives are real nice to have

fierce marten
fierce marten
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Chorus makes it so you pretty much never need to do a shroudfield clutch cause your team should be alive

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I was reading up and, who would ever think dueling sword struggles with armored enemies? That's the EZ one tap crushers weapon

ionic tusk
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oh shroudfield wasn't even in the picture

ionic tusk
ionic tusk
regal pendant
ionic tusk
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sure it can't mow a horde down if you pick ds without flamer but you don't need 3 dedicated "my main job is killing horde" people in one party

ionic tusk
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I've also had people tell me to (cw SI) ||off myself|| also 'jokingly' some other times after I kill an enemy that they wanted to kill but weren't actively fighting. idk why people get so heated over stuff like that :/

regal pendant
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They're overgrown babies who were never told no or disciplined

ionic tusk
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idk I think behavior like that is often caused by too much, too excessive 'discipline' that teaches them it's fine to be cruel like that

regal pendant
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It can be both tbf

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An excess of discipline turns you into a shitty person just as easily as a deficit of it

dawn totem
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Never a good sign your drop in level three game turns into baby's first fps.

marsh gyro
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<@&1042950387478560878> Who wants to Sunday Tide a bit

split mantleBOT
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darktime 😎

frigid saffron
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I mean if you wanna do scryers and staff I would recommend either Electro or Orb Blaster staves

its a bit scuffed even with the "don't blow up" node but it is very funny

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warp machine gun

sonic elbow
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I second electro

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because electro can be built as a left click crit machine even without scryer's

marsh gyro
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I like voidblast and rectangle shield for slow and steady pushes and electro surge crits push out like triple the raw damage albeit single target

fierce marten
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Electro is just the deadly minismite

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It can cc lock ragers and kills most weaker enemies quick

fierce marten
ionic tusk
marsh gyro
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As long as they stand still it does it all

ionic tusk
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I'm gonna hop on now if anyone wants to do some auric damnation quickplay
(although the game is giving some warning messages about slow servers)

frank igloo
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scriers is the gun psyker ability for me

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with crit build recon las you can stay in it forever

waxen patio
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It's very good with either recon las or vraks infantry autogun

ionic tusk
frigid saffron
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bubble gunker is fun

frank igloo
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regal pendant
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Holy shit it's the legendary poet Sappho, widely renowned for her queer poetry and originator of the modern meaning of lesbian

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ionic tusk
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my zealot after chastising an ogyrn for not completing their fancy word:
lesbean, lesba, lesbiab, lesbos- girls

fierce marten
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Les Lesb lesin lesbin uhhh girl gays

ionic tusk
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that'd be a really funny full skit actually
ogyrn struggling to say a word, the zealot saying it with confidence
but then another squad teammate walks by and they start stuttering while the ogyrn just says what they're trying to say clearly with a "I'm helping!!! :)" expression

regal pendant
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"Sah! Wot's a les... le... lez... less be... ah, grot it!"

ionic tusk
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"A lesbian is a girl that likes other girls 😌 ☝️, slab. The emperor grants us the wonder of many emotions, from love to contempt."

regal pendant
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...holy shit, dude, I think you need to go back to boot camp

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How is he missing a sitting duck laying on the ground not moving, full salvo of lasers just sailing overhead

sonic elbow
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classic ken ashcorp quotes

ionic tusk
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are they shooting at you? they might be shooting at someone behind you

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🤔 I've seen some weird targeting with nets, I think it might reduce threat but not cause retargeting

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the alternative is probably that they're shooting at your normal hitbox, not your netted hitbox

split mantleBOT
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<@&1042950387478560878>

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dark type video jame

vapid anvil
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okay :3c

ionic tusk
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joined and then immediately got told something irl is happening in 15m lmao

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for future reference, how do we usually connect ingame? friendcodes?

marsh gyro
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Yeah Fatshark friend IDs are good

marsh gyro
vapid anvil
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are you afk or do you just not have a mic? @twilit cradle

ionic tusk
fallow ore
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stanced up

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for a second i thought the blade had a hook on it lol

ionic tusk
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some rager weapons do, I just think it's funny how the blade edge is just floating due to weird LOD/low poly models

regal pendant
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Clearly this is Warp trickery at play

ionic tusk
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I think the funniest thing I've seen was being able to see out of the starting plane in rolling steel

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only screenshot I managed to find of it

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ionic tusk
regal pendant
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There any zealot talents that let you draw weapons faster?

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Beyond animation canceling with a knife

marsh gyro
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Nah, just Veteran - the Zealot has to balance draw times with weapon choices e.g. taking a combat knife with a bolter

fierce marten
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I assumed wam meant blades of faith.

regal pendant
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No, I meant methods of speeding up weapon draw animations outside of blades of faith

ionic tusk
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do you have a problem you're trying to solve or is this just for qol?

regal pendant
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Flamethrower

marsh gyro
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<@&1042950387478560878> Who would like to chill tide on a weekend

fluid jungle
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sure

split mantleBOT
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I'll swing by.

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dark type video jame,,,

marsh gyro
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Moebian 21st is back on Thursday:

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-61-1-6-8-patch-notes/105296

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Hey Everyone, Return of the Infected Moebian 21st - LIVE EVENT A platoon of Moebian 21st soldiers has been infected by the Blight. Their armour will make them harder to deal with than the usual hordes you encounter. We thought we’d stopped this mess after that trouble at the cathedral. Well, you know what to do. Play missions with a set of ...

ionic tusk
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🤔 huh. they're in havoc so, feels a bit weird

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however excise vault is back and I am. unfathomablely excited
only got a taste of it before it was disabled

ionic tusk
marsh gyro
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They're kinda funky because they have the scab bruiser HP and flak chest /unarmored head and poxwalker hit mass so whether to to for flak damage or not is a call based on if you can tag weak bits

ionic tusk
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yeah I was gonna comment just "all scab bruisers: the modifier" but wasn't sure if it was that close

marsh gyro
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Yeah it's 625 HP for both bruisers and Moebians on Damnation compared to 375 Infested for Poxwalkers

ionic tusk
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🤔 although this doesn't show the difficulty scaling so I can't even compare it to the other charts I ahve

marsh gyro
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Gameslantern has good breakdowns

ionic tusk
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yeah was looking at that for scab bruisers
it looks like they're generally weaker than scab bruisers in stats such as hit mass, stagger resist, and speed

marsh gyro
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Yeah 3.5 mass per bruiser adds up quick vs 1.5 on the 21st

ionic tusk
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even if a modifier was "all bruisers, no lighter chaff" that'd probably not be that big of a deal for havoc
the speed at which they close would probably be the most impactful change, since the meta horde clears just. do not care about hitmass that much (flame staff and flamer)

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oh and trauma staff (although that's more mixed in purpose)

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would certainly gate out the less meta clears, but I feel like that'd be serving havoc's goal of "you need different builds based on modifiers" better than the actual effect of "you need certain builds based on the global penalties"

marsh gyro
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I certainly wouldn't mind if the "glowing enemies are resistant to guns" modifier came with more ammo to counteract the global penalty

ionic tusk
ionic tusk
# marsh gyro I certainly wouldn't mind if the "glowing enemies are resistant to guns" modifie...

imo the global modifier ammo pickup modifier should be like, halved, and also apply to survivalist
then you could have a different modifier that's "Supply Scarcity (ammo pickups spawn less)" that's the "survivalist and staves are good" modifier, like how blight is "you need to bring beacon probably"
I'm not sure if that's good as a final end state to havoc, but it'd at least do what they want more and be less dumb than we currently have

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man I always forget how few modifiers there are

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only 4??? and you get 2 per mission? insane

marsh gyro
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Yeah a typical Auric mission has about 1600% ammo count over the mission (800% being 2 ammo boxes and then on top of that 1600% add 400% being starting ammo) and Havoc 40's -85% modifier means it's more like 700% total for the mission

ionic tusk
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meanwhile I usually never need to pick up ammo if there's a survivalist vet so it's like no change for me 💀

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and that's not a havoc build thing, I just use the gun for specific things and melee everything else naturally

marsh gyro
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Yeah on a typical mission survivalist gets about 100 procs so that's another 400% ammo

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This is just anecdotal data from counting bullets shot with the scoreboard mod

ionic tusk
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🤔 it feels like there's way more ammo than that

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hm I also have the scoreboard mod, I should check

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I think I have it set up to include ammo taken/wasted
however a lot of ammo bags just get ignored...

marsh gyro
ionic tusk
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like not necessarily a problem with the players, just a problem that arises from how the gameplay is structured

marsh gyro
ionic tusk
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that's the thing I'd think would be measured anyway though? since we're trying to gauge how much extra ammo is present, not the ammo expended 🤔

marsh gyro
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My record as gungryn was 6500 rounds fired and I think I can hit 7k these days

ionic tusk
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that's with lucky bullet and heavily dependent on the gun's own ammo economy

marsh gyro
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Yeah lucky bullet adds 12% so you gotta do that figure manually

ionic tusk
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like a rumbler will fire less rounds but also get less from ammo pickups, whereas a full auto gun will get more from ammo pickups but need to shoot more

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I think it'd be easier to just look at the "ammo picked up" stat to determine how much ammo was picked up

marsh gyro
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I just counted bullets because I'm an accountant mindset

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Shock trooper node on Vet enables another 25% multiplier on overall ammo efficiency because of the proc cooldown when full auto, much higher efficiency on helbores

ionic tusk
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I have a friend with that and a laser pistol, where they don't really need to pick up ammo since their own survivalist covers most of their needs
it's made to be run with a zealot flamer so they can get the ammo packs, but when we ran together I was still using the vigilant autogun and only really needed survivalist- and then there was still the psykers who don't need any ammo at all
which worked out really funny

marsh gyro
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Hitting 1HKO weak spot hits on elites with a vigilant auto is super potent when eight billion gunners appear

ionic tusk
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I like it because even if you don't get weakspot hits it'll stagger and you can keep firing to secure the kill with less risk of counterfire (and also this works if you're being suppressed or in melee and don't have time to aim)

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it kicks like crazy but you can generally still keep it on-target enough to finish stuff off even from a long distance

ionic tusk
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anyone want to do auric event? pubs have been more insufferable than usual today

regal pendant
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Yeah, sure, I'm down

ionic tusk
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sent a friend code

regal pendant
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Gimme a mo

sonic elbow
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after maining crusher for nearly all of my zealot playtime and going "damn this is really underrated"

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videos going "damn crusher is really underrated" started flooding my feed

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summons youtuber with my mind

ionic tusk
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truly a google moment

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I'm still addicted to ds4 and vigilant autogun
but vigilant autogun showing some cracks after more use in 30+ havocs

ionic tusk
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anyone else using weird weapons?

regal pendant
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I like using the Mk. 1 revolver

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The one that lets you fan the hammer

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Yeah sure it objectively sucks and yeah sure the Mk. 2 is better in every conceivable aspect but consider

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It is INSANELY fucking stylish to Dirty Harry a mf with the fan-hammer alt fire

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Also fond of the Mk. 1 recon lasgun

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Because I just love things that go "BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT" and that thing has a batshit fucking insane ROF, I love it to death

drowsy vine
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heavy infantry autogun

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it is the Assault Rifle of all assault rifles and boy is it good at everything that isn't armour

regal pendant
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I should try using it on my Veteran sometime

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I like my flamethrower too much to sacrifice it and I prefer force staves on psyker

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Cause like, why the hell would I use a plain ol boring gun when I can set people on fire with my mind

waxen patio
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Vraks Infantry on a Psyker was loads of fun due to Scrier's Gaze

regal pendant
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I know Scrier Gunker is supposed to be insanely cracked

waxen patio
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Vraks has really good weakspot/crit properties and a giant magazine so you dump 90 rounds into beefy things and crit for most of them

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crits clearing peril to keep scriers running, then you also have disrupt destiny for more weakspot effects

regal pendant
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That does sound fun... maybe I'll set my magic mind fire aside and give it a try later

sonic elbow
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something I find tragic is that the smite nodes that electrifies on heavies and make electrified enemies take more damage don't interact with shock maul more damage to shocked enemies blessing

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and the damage vulnerability is a separate "enfeeble" that only smite applies, not electrocution from other sources

waxen patio
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yeah the smite nodes are pretty weaksauce. afaik the only one worth taking is Lightning Storm (+1 jump) and even then the real damage comes from running Empowered Psionics (+200% damage, +50% faster spread)

regal pendant
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Yeah

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The melee one is... interesting?

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But like

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It does fuckall

waxen patio
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"Your heavy melee attacks electrocute enemies hit, damaging them."
I highly doubt that amounts to anything meaningful when psyker heavy melee attacks are already various weakspot nukes (most swords but especially dueling sword) which just kill the target in like 2 hits anyway

regal pendant
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Aye

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It just ends up being useless because like half of psyker's melees are just "Fuck You, DIE" on heavy attack weakspot hits

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Especially the new force greatsword, that stab that it can pull off is fucking nutty

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...I wonder, actually

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Does it apply to the moonlight greatsword beam it shoots

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Because if it does that seems like a use case for it

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Spamming laser cuts to electrocute an entire horde

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But at that point why not just

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Use Smite

waxen patio
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The special isn't a heavy attack no

regal pendant
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On its own it isn't, but if you charge it for a heavy attack

waxen patio
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Even then the arc itself isn't

regal pendant
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Mmm

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So it really is just

waxen patio
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It has its own properties

regal pendant
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Kind of a worthless ability

sonic elbow
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but like, it's smite

marsh gyro
waxen patio
sonic elbow
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imo the throw on release is the best part of smite

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but improving that isn't where my perk points are going

waxen patio
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sometimes putting the entire room on pause is the play
sometimes you just need to LMB zap a pox burster from 20m away to detonate it

fierce marten
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Or stun a hound pack in the horde, maybe

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There's going to be that one dog that jumps during a short window where it won't get zapped

regal pendant
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Is Smite worth comboing with an Inferno staff? Or do they just kinda make each other redundant?

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Vaguely wanna do an elementalist-type build

waxen patio
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It's pretty redundant. Smite's power is staggering rooms, inferno staff can easily stagger crowds with LMB or RMB. I like either Brain Burst or Assail instead because those do something that the firestick can't (deal with long range single targets)

regal pendant
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Aye, I'm presently running Assail on my fire staff build, it's nice

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Wish it had a node that made it a little more single target-focused

ionic tusk
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so it isn't as painful to reload

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I think it actually is better than mk1 at deleting armored enemies at close range, the issue is just that if there's a crusher ball there's going to be so many that you need to melee half the group (because they'll advance too quickly for surgical stacks or reload time), and at that point why not just save some ammo and melee all of them instead

regal pendant
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More ammo overall too

ionic tusk
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would anyone want to do event aurics in like 10m?

ionic tusk
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bleh
really wish they'd double or even triple the minimum level on everything (although levels over 30 aren't used in the base game so I doubt it...)

I think level 30 should be when damnation unlocks, maybe 60 when auric heresy unlocks, and 90 when auric damnation unlocks
I can't find any source of the non-auric level requirements online (darktide has a fandom wiki and gameslantern is more for resources) but I've been told normal damnation is like. 12

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this would be annoying for multiple classes so I could see it getting partly waived for new characters
but nearly every time I see someone lower than level 40 in an auric when I don't have a friend I have a bad time

and I can't really blame them because the game is horrible at signposting difficulty

drowsy vine
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90???

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That's much too long

ionic tusk
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90 for auric damnation
levels are go way faster than you'd expect once you start playing games at that level- like 1 level per game

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admittedly it's very flawed since a lot of game skills are shared per character

ionic tusk
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ig my fundamental problem is that many people skip to the highest level they have avaliable and then only play that

ionic tusk
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honestly just 10 would probably do but idk the math for that and failures do give xp

heavy geyser
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auric damnation is just regular damnation with a bonus modifier

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You can get Auric runs in regular Damnation if it rolls high intensity

ionic tusk
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yes I know
however I think those should just be removed from the mission board (or at least the ones with hi intensity + another modifier)

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and probably remove the 'hi intensity only' from the auric board

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even setting aside skill as a factor, when a player reaches level 30 for the first time they probably won't have gear at 500 stats, or decent curios, and they'll probably have 2-5 talent nodes that effectively do nothing but look like they're good

ionic tusk
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bleh there's so much other complicating issues I admit just a level cap would be a bad idea
hi intensity alone doesn't merit even a third the level cap I described

sonic elbow
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open game
update disabled my mods so I had to actually walk to a vendor
close game, go cook

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they should hire me as some sort of tester as an extremely jank tolerant and dedicated player but with no temper whatsoever for QoL

ionic tusk
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qol is illegal in darktide

ionic tusk
sonic elbow
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I wouldn't mind it if there was anything at all happening in the hub and it were a kind of game where I don't visit it as often

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but I have like 3 places to be after every match

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and just No

ionic tusk
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yeah curio progression is mostly just how often you check the armory 😔

ionic tusk
regal pendant
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Speaking of curios

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I'm looking to replace my +wounds one on my psyker, should I go for +toughness or +health

ionic tusk
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depends, usually +toughness will do more mileage over time but +health can make spikes less likely to down you outright

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if you don't have a +stamina curio already I'd suggest trying it out, although psyker can get by with the reduced toughness regen time and kinetic deflection for blocking, I think it effectively buffs kinetic deflection since the stamina % per damage is smaller?

regal pendant
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I'll give it a shot, sounds handy

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Though I already have so much block cost reduction that I never really have to worry hugely about it unless there's like

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An entire gunner squad laser-focused on me

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And even then I can just duck and cover

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Or pop bubble shield

ionic tusk
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ah, you using the 'block ranged attacks'?

regal pendant
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Aye

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Saved my bacon plenty of times

ionic tusk
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for me block is mostly for reviving and panic blocking crushers and maulers when I get stuck

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psyker in particular can do crazy saves without too much personal risk

regal pendant
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Aye, get a ton of defensive options

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And ways to clear hordes

ionic tusk
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it's mostly kinetic deflection

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definitely one of the strongest nodes in the game

regal pendant
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Assail, Smite, bubble shield, kinetic deflection, inferno stave, moonlight greatsword slice, all sorts of shit

ionic tusk
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I think lesser hordes have more danger due to not being able to get close enough to your revive target to initiate the reaction than their damage output

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it's mostly like, ragers, maulers, crushers, ranged enemies who aren't blocked and thus go to toughness ime

regal pendant
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Aye

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Though with ragers I can pretty consistently just knock them on their ass with the force sword's guard shove

ionic tusk
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I end up solo reviving with shout and chorus a lot- chorus takes a bit more timing but is often very doable

ionic tusk
regal pendant
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Doesn't cost stamina, actually, costs Peril

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It's... iirc like 3% per shove...?

ionic tusk
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ah, that's nice

regal pendant
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Though it has a weird quirk of not being usable when you're out of stamina

ionic tusk
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do you know how to restore stamina while still sprinting (mostly) by chaining slides

regal pendant
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I did not know that was a thing but I did know about slide chaining

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I only ever use it when I'm moving batteries though, it's kind of annoying to do

ionic tusk
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yeah bind slide to something that won't break your hands

ionic tusk
# regal pendant I did not know that was a thing but I did know about slide chaining

vet with 2 stamina regen delay nodes, and basekit psyker have a low enough delay to start regenerating stamina before your slide finishes
if you slide at the right time you can generally go neutral (although you'll take speed loss, esp. if you do it too soon), and with minor curios you can easily get to the point where you regen more than you spent sprinting to start to slide

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I generally prefer sliding a ton over sprinting because:

  1. sliding is dodging to ranged attacks and so getting used to sliding a lot will let you approach ranged enemies without much damage
  2. keeping your stamina high at all times ensures you'll be ready to push/revive when you need to (less of an issue with your build)
ionic tusk
regal pendant
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Hm

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Should definitely try and use this more

waxen patio
marsh gyro
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I like 1 wound and 1 toughness / health and a +3 stamina

fierce marten
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Stamina I find is also very useful for revives

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Having the extra max stamina might mean the difference between taking HP damage or not during a reviving

marsh gyro
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Ogryn with 3 +21% health curios and +5% health on each one wins you the game

fierce marten
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Laugh in the face of poxbursters

regal pendant
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Who let a loyalist flamer on board??

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ionic tusk
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also I am On if anyone wants to do aurics

fierce marten
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The tldr is poxbursters do x2 toughness damage and always do 35% corruption damage to HP which makes having high toughness not really useful so HP is more valuable specifically for poxbursters

ionic tusk
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I've taken 0 hp damage from poxbursters a lot 🤷‍♀️

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although typically this is with a little extra boost from chrous (like 1 or 2 pulses)/shout

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idk maybe I'm misrembering, I'll have to test

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maybe just a gold toughness thing tbh

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the follow up post says you can: (and also goes back on pretty much every assertion they made)```People who stated that Corruption damage taken from Poxbursters can be completely mitigated by toughness alone were correct.

Tested on a lvl 30 Ogryn in Damnation+ without being affected by Veteran or Zealot defensive abilities.```

sonic elbow
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consider depleting my stamina building peril if you will

ionic tusk
ionic tusk
# fierce marten https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/enmxUPALlB

I think spillover is also a generally significant factor when dealing with other enemies as well- ie the difference between having 1 toughness left after a crusher overhead or sniper shot is significant because if you had zero left it's as if you didn't have any in the first place

regal pendant
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Man

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I wish that we got the box art characters as mission NPCs instead of level 1 veterans

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Like, the models are there, why not go for that instead

marsh gyro
regal pendant
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Yeah that too

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They exist in the files, they're fully fleshed out I'd presume, why not make them the bots?

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Or maybe something like Vermintide's bot system where you just have one of your other builds running around with you

ionic tusk
ionic tusk
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I think the low hanging fruit that would massively improve the bots are:

  • make bots sprint to catch up to players without using stamina, if not in combat
  • make 2 bots 2 humans have each bot pick a human to buddy up with instead of alternating which one is the only player allowed to have teammates
  • give them shout and make them use it if it's off cooldown and they have 50% or less toughness
  • make them drop a shredder grenade at their feet if they're surrounded (with a 30s cooldown between attempts), and use demolition stockpile to refill them only; alternatively have them krak bosses to make up for them being completely awful at bosses
  • make them not trigger demonhosts (almost all other changes would make this more likely, but they're not the smartest anyways. they might not be able to trigger them already, I'm unsure)
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I think vets are probably the best class for bots if they do get talents, blitzes, and abilities, since the other classes tools have conditions to their use that would be more complicated to use half-decently without any form of threat assessment/regard for teammates/understanding of mobility
chorus/flame or stun nade zealot, taunt/frag bomb ogyrn would probably be the two next best bets, but not great imo

marsh gyro
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<@&1042950387478560878> Who wants to blast the 21st Moebians on a Wednesday

dull parrot
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Not a big fan of Wrath or glory as a system, But theirs a lot of surprising amount of lore within the game to use in a ttrpg sense. It’s Neat 🤷‍♂️

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regal pendant
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...I forgot how abjectly miserable low level is

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This is the least amount of fun I've had with this game in a while

sonic elbow
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yeah vermintide had the same problem

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there are no enemies and you have no build

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for longer than reasonable

regal pendant
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At least with Vermintide you got a good selection of weapons and gear

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I'm stuck rawdogging it with a shit-tier stubber, a power maul, no curios, and all of 10% toughness DR

sonic elbow
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yeah in VT gear stats were all damage and stagger related

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the 7% attack speed stat experience meanwhile

regal pendant
#

WOT ZOGGIN GIT WROTE DIS?? EN'T NO SUCH FING AS TOO MUCH DAKKA FOR AN ORK!

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regal pendant
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...sorry, the what insurrection

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lost cave
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It's home to some particularly tough, nasty, and brutal Ogryns. And that's all by Ogryn standards.

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Nothing to do with the Krork.

regal pendant
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Ah, that makes more sense

waxen patio
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Krork presence would genuinely be a horrifying prospect for everyone.

soft summit
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Yeah, One was enough to nearly destroy the (early) Imperium

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And the one closest to attaining Krorkhood in current 40k is one of the scariest things in the setting

ionic tusk
vapid anvil
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He was close to one, but still an ork

opaque crown
#

guys, which veteran tree feels most catachan to yall? Weapon specialist?

ionic tusk
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keystone or entire tree?

opaque crown
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Mm tree

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In general, which talents are well themed for Catachans

ionic tusk
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oh that's a world
was confusing it with the weapon named after the world

waxen patio
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more specifically referring to the rambo guardsman battalions known as the Catachan Jungle Fighters

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Catachan Devil Squads are all literally just dudes from Rambo

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ionic tusk
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are they rambo with swords or just rambo

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I have never seen any rambo movies actually, he could have a chainsword and I wouldn't know

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but uh, probably pick a catachan weapon and build around that

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devils claw or knife probably?

regal pendant
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Rambo with both I believe

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Devil's Claw makes the most sense given it's

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Y'know, straight outta Catachan

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Plus swords are cooler than knives

ionic tusk
#

the knife is also from catachan
at least, one of the marks

regal pendant
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True, but the point of swords being cooler stands

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...speaking of, is this literally just a Mk. VII blade taped onto a Mk. IV hilt

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ionic tusk
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all the catachan weapons

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waxen patio
ionic tusk
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idk the combat blades (all of catachan make) seem fairly reasonably sized?

regal pendant
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For swords, yeah, but not for knives, which is what Catachanians claim them to be

ionic tusk
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the only ones brave enough to stab you with something less than a foot long

regal pendant
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Mmmmmmmmm foot long

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...fuck now I want Subway

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Even though I know it'll be ass

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Anyway

ionic tusk
#

quick, think of all the gross nurgle faces to ruin your appetite

regal pendant
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Lmaoooooo

ionic tusk
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think of the dreg tox bomber trying to seduce you with "grenades bring nurgles kiss~"

sonic elbow
opaque crown
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What's the main difference between the Catachan sword marks?

sonic elbow
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I can't say off the top of my head which is which but it's how easy the combos are to access and chain

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they're practically the same otherwise iirc

split mantleBOT
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Yeah, on melee weapons, marks typically change combos.

opaque crown
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I know usually for melee it's often "horde, balance, single target"

opaque crown
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the real question to me for catachan theme build is if i want to be shouty or weapon spec, and then i gotta decide if i want to run shotgun or a 80's inspired braced auto

marsh gyro
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No saying you can't have two builds for the occasion

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Although a Vet 4 stack with 4 braced autos and all the regenerating shredders is something I want to do some time

opaque crown
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regenerating shredders?

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and true, i just want each of my loadouts to have a different theme

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rather than doubling up on catachan

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oh the grenade right

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thought you meant a talent at first

marsh gyro
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The good news is both shotgun and braced auto work great with a knife weapons specialist

opaque crown
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i think loosely my plan is braced auto, catachan devils claw, kraks, and invis

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with weapon spec

marsh gyro
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Devil's claw goes great with Shred blessing for more crits for more rending

opaque crown
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i love the counter parry for ragers

fierce marten
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Real, why are you hitting yourself hours

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The parry window is really wide

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And parrying crushers overhead swings to assert dominance

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And you shouldn't bother them but if you get a daemonhost on you then you can just parry it to death

split mantleBOT
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<@&1042950387478560878> dark type hideo jame

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hideo kojamea

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hideo kojame? idk. i'm too tired for this 😭

vapid anvil
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Kojima?

split mantleBOT
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yea

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but like. video game. video jame. hideo kojamea

ionic tusk
ionic tusk
# opaque crown regenerating shredders?

probably demolition stockpile and demolition team, plus the shredder nades that have good aoe and crowd control

personally I wouldn't pair a team of 4 of those with 4 braced autoguns, I feel like you'll be melting through the horde faster than it can keep up but be vulnerable to longer ranged specialists and elites (especially snipers if they spawn in annoying spots)

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would probably be good for the current event tho

fierce marten
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Isn't one of those braced autogun really accurate on bursts

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Snipers kind of die to a stray shot but the other ranged specialists get shredders grenades and no clue

ionic tusk
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I wouldn't say snipers die to a stray bullet, in my experience they can take a lot more than you'd expect, esp. at long range where bullet damage fall-off is in effect

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in some maps they can be ludicrously far away (often outside the playable area or in a different section of the map that curves around), in other maps they're confined to just being mid range sharpshooters

opaque crown
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If you got regen, nades, and shouting, you have the tools to buy you space to get crouch shots off, dodge and ignore, or close to better shooting distance I think. Especially when not playing auric or havoc

ionic tusk
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ah, was looking at it from an auric perspective
there's plenty of spots where ignoring and approaching are both impossible though

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I think the most extreme example that regularly occurs for me is at the bridge before entering the coliseum with the blighted stims- a sniper can spawn across the bridge but not even inside the map, really far away
and then there's hab drayko where snipers will spawn in the area you went through and cover the phage tree, they're closer but more numerous and dangerous

opaque crown
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i think you can crouch shot those, inefficiently mind, but its doable. Would just be a weakness of the set up

ionic tusk
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it's a meme team setup anyways, I'm just compelled to try to workshop memes into being good because I think that's even funnier

marsh gyro
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Finally managed to break through Havoc 20, playing all of 1 Havoc a week, now the fun begins at Damnation HP levels, middle tree Ogryn keeps on winning

brazen fossil
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Middle three ogryn is a boss fr

marsh gyro
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Foldable shovel with Thunderous/Skullcrusher and Heavy Stubber has been my go to

opaque crown
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which kind, single or twin linked?

marsh gyro
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Mostly the single stubber for precision sniper removal - it's possible to kit one out so the minimum damage to unarmored will take out a Sniper at 70+ meters in one shot (two if they got the green glowy)

regal pendant
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Need to level my ogryn

ionic tusk
ionic tusk
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🤔 at level 20 I think it'd be 1.15x base hp and 70% damage taken if this chart is right

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which is to say, rip breakpoints 😔

marsh gyro
ionic tusk
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a lot of other modifiers will also ramp up

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and they're also really poorly designed, for example toughness is a flat modifier
so if you look at toughness, ogyrn will go from 50 base to 5 base, while vet will go from 100 base to 55 base
luckily ogyrn is mandated to get at least one +25 node

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ammo is another one of the major modifiers, survivalist just completely ignores it though

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oh and halved toughness regen speed, which I think only applies to coherency toughness

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psykers also suffer from drastically reduced peril quelling... but it doesn't apply to automatic sources of quell

slender shell
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Leads to a 404 page currently but looks like an update is coming soon

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marsh gyro
# slender shell Leads to a 404 page currently but looks like an update is coming soon

Dev blog just went out:
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/announcing-nightmares-visions-releasing-march-25-2025/105592
Of note:

  • Mortis trials are kind of like a horde mode and the rewards include lore
  • Havoc mode is getting tougher with 4 new mutators
  • Ogryn gets a new talent tree, details at end of week this week
Fatshark Forums
The Fatshark Forums

Hey Everyone, At the end of last year, we told players we’d be bringing out four main updates to Warhammer 40,000: Darktide in 2025. It’s time to announce our first release – Nightmares & Visions – will be released across all our platforms on March 25, 2025. What can players look forward to for Nightmares & Visions? As part of expanding conten...

slender shell
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A whole new tree? Damn let's goo

split mantleBOT
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..Nothing for Vets?

ionic tusk
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...are vets lacking right now?

ionic tusk
marsh gyro
fierce marten
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Horde mode?

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It's just psykarium+

marsh gyro
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True, a proper horde mode has defense construction

brazen fossil
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I'm scared

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Scared they will kill my boy, scared they will take my immortality away

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Also huh, rogue like game mode

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I didn't expect that

regal pendant
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Trying out the thunder hammer

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Holy shit this thing is fun

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I cannot believe I slept on it for this long

brazen fossil
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It's very fun

regal pendant
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Fucking love charging it up, charging forward, and hitting some poor sumbitch with the wrath of God's hammer

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And that BOOM is just

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Ogh

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Peak

ionic tusk
ionic tusk
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kind of worried that another gamemode will split up the playerbase even further, esp. since havoc only came out a few months ago 🤔

fierce marten
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Wasn't their explaination was that veterans new toy needs more time cause it's something more complicated development wise

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Or is that old news

brazen fossil
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Is pretty fun

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I have like 100 hours on that build alone

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The only thing that usually is any threat is nets

sonic elbow
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I should try keystoneless ogryn before the rework

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I have a suspicion it'd work out pretty ok

brazen fossil
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It's ok

marsh gyro
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Running a toughness regen build on FNP ogryn makes a big difference in big shootouts

brazen fossil
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I find toughness Regen kinda lacking since it's so easily interrupted

marsh gyro
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Yeah it's feast or famine because it really helps during downtime between packs and is tough during hordes

brazen fossil
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I've completely abandoned it lately, there is just better options imo

marsh gyro
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+78% health ogryn for big gains

ionic tusk
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feels bad being so negative but. ogyrn just isn't allowed to have nice things

marsh gyro
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Luckily those modifiers are additive so 2 curios with +30% should do the trick

ionic tusk
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🤔 hm, if they're all additive I wonder if that means this doubles (or increases since math is weird?) the delay off toughness regen as well as the speed, since the curios do reduce that

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the thing is that the other players need to have toughness regen as well and they don't really benefit from the aura for it- so the teammates are probably granting ogyrn recharge from bubble and chorus anyways

marsh gyro
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Haha, turns out the curios buff it both additively and multiplicatively while the havoc mod is only the additive nerf

ionic tusk
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huh, odd

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... it's so dumb this is a hidden modifier when it makes certain builds better than they are relative in normal gamemodes

marsh gyro
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I wouldn't mind the hidden havoc mods as much if they just made them public

ionic tusk
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it'd definitely help a lot

ionic tusk
marsh gyro
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Rippers, Rumblers, and Kickbacks are wonderfully efficient blasters

ionic tusk
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I'm wondering if they'll give ogyrn some way to generate ammo?

ionic tusk
marsh gyro
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I guess I mean more time efficient than ammo efficient, haha

marsh gyro
ionic tusk
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I was thinking it'd be kinda thematic if they had an aura that partly shared ammo pickups while in coherency
but that'd probably feel like a worse survivalist, esp. if other team members don't need ammo, in addition to being more annoying to use

marsh gyro
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I think if I was giving Ogryn a new aura it'd be an aura to add bleed stacks to melee hits

ionic tusk
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hm. not sure how I feel about that
how many stacks are you thinking?

marsh gyro
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2 per hit and it raises the bleed cap from 16 to 20

I speak as a biased Pierce/Blaze Away kickback user

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Really I just miss the patch before they nerfed bleed stack and bleed damage amounts

ionic tusk
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yeah bleeds that aren't shredders are very underwhelming ime

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which is almost a performance issue because it means things will have more bleed stacks for longer and drip blood everywhere

marsh gyro
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Oh yeah that's a no go then, yeah when you throw a shredder into Poxwalkers you can see the chug happen

ionic tusk
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my personal theory is that it wouldn't be nearly as bad if the vfx didn't scale with the bleed amount

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it makes the enemies that can largely shrug off bleed (scab ragers, crushers) use so many resources for so little effect, in addition to the short-lived geysers on the poxwalkers after a shredder

marsh gyro
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Brittleness helps bleed quite a bit which is why I like to combo it with Thunderous melees

split mantleBOT
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<@&1042950387478560878> i wanna kill people

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join us in killing people

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🥺

marsh gyro
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Logging on in 5

fierce marten
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Using bleed as damage I can only think of knife and uncanny

ionic tusk
ionic tusk
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there gets a point where the excess bleed starts are causing me to miss enough that my dps suffers more than the crit bonus and the actual bleed damage
no idea where that point is but I've hit it a few times

marsh gyro
brazen fossil
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This might be either really good, or actually a nerf

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Well

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It's definitely a buff to damage and gun ogryn

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But it might be a nerf to tank ogryn

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Ok they are cooking

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Wait hold up

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Is

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Is this as good as it sounds ??

marsh gyro
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Yeah it'll apply to stuff like the toughness regen while bracing a gun

brazen fossil
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So everything but "regain toughness"

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That's really good

marsh gyro
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Yeah so it won't make the 20% toughness on melee single/multi hit bigger but anything that's toughness ticking up 1 at a time counts

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I already liked middle tree so the dev blog is a straight win for DPS and Don't Die ogryns

brazen fossil
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Yeah

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Gun ogryn also looks good

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Wait holy shit

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This is incredible

marsh gyro
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Yeah it's super anti-dog insurance

brazen fossil
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That's actually god tier

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This is actually a buff still, especially for shovels and knifes

marsh gyro
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Yeah I was having to take Confident Strike a bunch and this might cut down on it

brazen fossil
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Ok fat shark

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You're not cooking you're making a damn bbq

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I love this

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I'm still scared the over toughness and toughness damage reductions might be lowered but there is a lot here that makes up for it

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Some stuff is really really good

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Now to only wait

marsh gyro
# 
“For those with either great or poor precision…”
*Big Friendly Rock Replenishes a Charge if you hit an enemy Weakspot or hit no enemies. 5s Cooldown.```
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Counter Sniper Ogryn engaged

quiet escarp
# brazen fossil

This feels like a pretty significant buff, especially if you were already running confident strike and so you were sometimes doubling up on toughness Regen anyway on heavy attacks

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Shield especially has such an enormous horizontal heavy attacks that it was easy to get confident strike on a single heavy against a horde

covert trellis
sonic elbow
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I foresee many 4 ogryn games in my future

marsh gyro
dull parrot
#

While I am sad veterans are not getting the melta gun... yet this update seems cool. I really really hope the new game mode is worth it sadcowboy .

frigid saffron
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https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1361210/view/512951942084822085?l=english

Warhammer 40,000: Darktide - Nightmares & Visions - Early Balance L...

Hey Everyone, Ahead of our Unlocked and Loaded update last year (aka Itemization), we released the intended balancing changes ahead of the rest of the patch notes. The idea was to give players a sneak peek ahead of time, and to allow the players time to give their feedback. We’re doing it again. For Nightmares and Visions, we will be including a...

ionic tusk
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finally
iframes (ish)

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I think that was the most requested change I've heard when talking about ogyrn balance

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very weird comment? there's several effects that restore either a percent or a fixed amount of time instantly

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sonic elbow
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there's a bunch in the new talents that has me scratching my head a bit

ionic tusk
sonic elbow
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also another talent for stun immunity when ogryn already can't really be stunned let's gooo

ionic tusk
ionic tusk
marsh gyro
sonic elbow
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I think all the things that can interrupt an ogryns revive are also going to, with all due respect, just kill him

ionic tusk
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fun fact: ogyrns have a passive that reduces the amount they're pushed when reviving or assisting

sonic elbow
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due respect to the ogryn

ionic tusk
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I've probably had more revives be canceled due to that than actual damage as a non-ogyrn

ionic tusk
#

I find this image hilarious
because of the default icon being the psyker combat ability icon

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sonic elbow
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woe

ionic tusk
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ogyrns are very good at venting shriek

ionic tusk
tough compass
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That seems like a lot of nodes on the bottom subtrees

ionic tusk
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I thought that too at first but I think they're just more spread out (at least for the non-keystone ones)

regal pendant
brazen fossil
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I'm genuinely curious how this turns out

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Some of it seems great but there is also some nerfs which I don't get

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I'm most scared by how many toughness DR and regular DR nodes they took out and how many flat +toughness are gone

marsh gyro
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Yeah half of my ogryn time is chaining toughness regen from heavy melee going from gunner to gunner to stay ammo efficient so curious to see if it can still tank good

quiet escarp
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The worry would be that the improvements to mobility and dodging doesn't outweight losses to straight facetanking, which are probably more important in the gunners world we live in

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Because Ogryn isn't getting any smaller or harder to shoot

drowsy vine
#

i'll be real, i have no doubt this is an overall improvement, especially with all the weapon buffs lol

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even just opening up ogryn's playstyle by taking emphasis off heavy attack spam is going to be huge

ionic tusk
ionic tusk
ionic tusk
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I have seen exactly 1 ogyrn when playing a havoc higher than 30 or so, ever

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they did pretty good but it was more due to killing everything with rumbler and using slab shield than their personal tankiness

quiet escarp
#

Scootching out of Gunner fire will be easier with the dodge changes though, at least, because you can then just dodge through people to get out of LoS

drowsy vine
#

Ogryn can work just fine in Havoc 30+, a YouTuber by the name of Reginald has done a bunch of successful Ogryn runs with off meta picks, but you need to be really, really on the ball and the class definitely still has issues

ionic tusk
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I'm curious if the builds are premade for the group
the ogyrn I played with took like, 1000% ammo (600% base plus 4 crate uses before havoc penalties)
which was fine due to how the group was structured but obviously not a consistent thing to bet on when pubbing

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actually scratch that
wondering what the builds are in general 👀

regal pendant
brazen fossil
ionic tusk
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in that case I'd suggest plugging in your current build into the build editor and seeing if you get more or less nodes than you had before

brazen fossil
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Oh I didn't know a build editor was out ! Thank you

ionic tusk
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I do really want to see what happens if an ogyrn throws a rock every 5s forever at a weakspot

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brazen fossil
#

Same

brazen fossil
ionic tusk
#

also remember that ogyrn's base stats got buffed, effectively giving them a free +25 toughness node approximately a +5% toughness reduction (probably better than +5% since it stacks differently)

brazen fossil
ionic tusk
brazen fossil
#

Yeah that remains to be seen

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But if they did get it right

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Then it's awesome

ionic tusk
#

probably even fine if they're scrambled about a bit

brazen fossil
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Yeah

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The tree is very open

ionic tusk
#

but like. everyone was expecting massive buffs

brazen fossil
#

It looks like we got em so far

ionic tusk
brazen fossil
#

Yeah

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Might not be as good for the boi himself

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But now everyone can benefit from it

ionic tusk
#

I'm guessing it'll be about the same considering ogyrn has a fair few talents to regenerate toughness that benefit from the new one

brazen fossil
#

Hm?

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I'm seeing just the brace

ionic tusk
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🤔 it might mean it's worth investing more in those than trying to run toughness regen on curios though

brazen fossil
#

Am I blind

ionic tusk
#

the heavy attack one (that now also works on light attacks)

brazen fossil
#

Wait that applies?

ionic tusk
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"hit enemies"

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it should?

#

it's a boost to all toughness gain afaik
I think it'd also work on the base 5% you get from killing an enemy with a melee attack

brazen fossil
#

Oh

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Oh my

ionic tusk
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not sure how it'll work with rounding though

brazen fossil
#

Oh my goodness

ionic tusk
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lmao

#

what missions have you been running your "invincible ogyrn" build in? I'm curious

brazen fossil
#

Auric damnation, havoc 20-25 iirc

regal pendant
#

Bolt pistol's pretty fun, I quite like it

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It's strictly worse than the revolver in handling but god it sounds satisfying

ionic tusk
#

I think it has a fair few upsides revolver doesn't?
revolver is hella bottlenecked by reloading and bolt pistol has an aoe blessing

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also it's surprisingly accurate from hipfire for one shot, I think more than revolver 🤔

regal pendant
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Perhaps, but there's not really a ton of point in hipfiring

#

You're not wrong about the reload though, Mk. 2 revolver's reload is positively glacial

marsh gyro
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Bolt Pistol is pretty nice with Puncture

ionic tusk
#

also one thing I've noticed about revolver when you use weapon specialist to skip reloading: the ammo economy is downright atrocious without the lengthy reloads to pace it

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iirc the most annoying thing about bolt pistol is how the animations don't cleanly tween with one another so it's extra susceptible to aiming issues from suppression and movement- the revolver gets it also a bit but you can just center mass a lot of the time with it

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so if your gun is 'twitching' that's probably why

sonic elbow
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I find the bolt pistol to be a better build agnostic true sidearm which is pretty funny

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what's more universal, an old and tested regular gun or a semi automatic grenade launcher

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the answer will surprise you

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the revolver reaches massively higher highs with investment somehow but bolt is never wrong

regal pendant
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Got a health station battery to the end of the mission lmao

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worldly talon
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If you had told me when I started playing this that Psyker was going to be my UNGA BUNGA class...

waxen patio
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try out greatsword + scrier's gaze + disrupt destiny, it's a very fun playstyle where you just run around like a madman cutting down enemy after enemy and then your sword is charged and SWISH you cleave an entire horde in half

worldly talon
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'UNGA BUNGA' in this case meaning "See enemy group, charge into enemy group and spam melee. Find new enemy group."

waxen patio
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Disrupt Destiney is a weird kind of state where you just tunnel vision on the glowing blue enemies that stand out from the crowd. Kill one. Kill the next. Kill the next. Kill the next. Kill the next. It's like a battle trance where you don't have to think super much about where to go next. Also it lets you ignore smoke effects which is cool.

regal pendant
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Jesus CHRIST why does the little shark cinematic when you open the game make your controller vibrate so violently

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I've accidentally left my controller sitting on top of my PC tower twice now when it played and every time it's just immediately been like

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BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT

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Scared the shit out of me

marsh gyro
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Half the reason I ran mods was to skip those intro movies, the other half being able to count bullets used per match

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I'm back to the vanilla experience and it's peaceful bliss not thinking about just how many recon lasgun shots got lasgunned

ionic tusk
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I did it to save my fingers because slidetide was causing physical pain

ionic tusk
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not being able to see ally ammo count probably being the most significant difference
I'd actually forgotten you couldn't and that explains why people try to feed me ammo even when I'm at 100%

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would anyone be up for some aurics?

regal pendant
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Veteran gaming baybeeee

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sonic elbow
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woe

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grenade

marsh gyro
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Hoot the karkin' booty

drowsy tusk
regal pendant
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...so I gave the knife a spin just now

finite nymph
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I've gotten all to used to knifespeed, other things feel slooow now. That and the delightful animations have it a nigh-constant companion

drowsy tusk
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The secret inspect animation is a banger

regal pendant
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Secret inspect animation?

wraith grove
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Honestly kinda love Rannick the more I learn about him

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He’s so sassy

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And kinda seems eternally miffed over having not been promoted yet

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And quite literally every other member of the warband fucking hates him

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Including the rogue trader who’s ship they’re borrowing

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Someone who, if she wanted to, could shoot him with no legal consequences

drowsy vine
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Rogue Traders have a huge range of autonomy and authority, but the big I is a different league altogether

wraith grove
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Oh yah there’d be many many consequences for offing an interrogator, but those would come from people taking issue with her decision, I’m pretty sure in terms of authority she does outrank him

drowsy vine
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Nope, not while he bears the rosette

wraith grove
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Ah, Nevermind though

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Though in general she’s still the owner of the ship and a rogue trader

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Both terrible things to make enemies of

drowsy vine
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Oh yeah definitely

wraith grove
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Also not helped by the fact I don’t think Rannick’s boss actually likes him that much

drowsy vine
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It's why it's such an awkward stalemate

wraith grove
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At least he doesn’t like him

sonic elbow
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my group's pet theory is that the other techpriest speaks so slowly on purpose to piss off rannick

wraith grove
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In normal company he speaks like a regular human

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But Rannick is here and it’s imperative to make him as annoyed as possible

regal pendant
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Did a surprisingly fun Damnation mission

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For some reason the entire time I just kept going "Huhuhuhuhu, hamber go boink" and giggling my ass off at it

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Tbf it was kinda funny how well that hammer was clearing house, that thing is a beast

drowsy tusk
marsh gyro
drowsy tusk
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<@&1042950387478560878> TIDE TIDE VIDEO GAME?!?!

marsh gyro
drowsy tusk
regal pendant
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...my feelings on the knife are somewhat soured after attempting to do any degree of horde clear with it

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Then again the one I'm forced to use has all of 12% first target so maybe that's why it feels so abysmal

marsh gyro
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Yeah the Mk3 knife is pretty much exclusively single target, while the Mk6 knife has pretty good cleave on the heavies. Unless you have bleed blessings the hordes will take a while - if you have like flesh tearer blessing you can wiggle lights and push attacks into a crowd and get the bleed stacks up.

regal pendant
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Right

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Might be best to switch back to my shotgun...

marsh gyro
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Shotguns are good knife complements yeah - what are you using as ranged now?

regal pendant
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Mk. 1 revolver

marsh gyro
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Yeah that crosses over with the knife on single target deletion - braced auto or recon lasgun or infantry auto are all good options too

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Braced revolver can work pretty decent if you have one - it can delete 1 scab or dreg mook per shot and has extra ammo

regal pendant
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Oh I was using the braced revolver, what I meant by Mk. 1

marsh gyro
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Ah, I knew that one as the Mk 14

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Yeah instead of like hand cannon try one with sustained fire and run 'n' gun and you can use the knife for rending

regal pendant
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I can never remember specific mark numbers so I just call em by when you unlock em

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Mk. 1 for the first you can use, Mk. 2 for the second, and Mk. 3 for the third

frigid saffron
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I've been calling them the Green, Blue, (when there is a third mark) brown one when I talk to my friend that doesn't pay attention to mark numbers

drowsy vine
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Bolt Pistol is ideal for the knife if you want to keep movin' fast

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A hair less power than the revolver for a lot more ammo and a lot of good amount of utility

fierce marten
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Sprint and shoot feels nice even though I'm sure there's better options

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The extra close damage that's basically always on is nice

frigid saffron
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knife and revolver works for rat shenanigans

regal pendant
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Rat shenanigans?

frigid saffron
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being a little hypermobile fucker and dashing around the map

regal pendant
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Ah, yeah

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I tried doing that and almost clutched but for some reason I got like

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Stuck in the block animation??

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I'm not sure if the game shat itself or my controller but it got me capped by a sniper camping out on the other side of the map

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...god I fucking despise snipers

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"Don't have a super long range option? Go fuck yourself."

marsh gyro
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Yeah they can shoot from 150m out

regal pendant
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"Can't countersnipe? I guess I get free potshots until someone with an actual ranged option notices and shoots back, IF anyone is around with an actual ranged option."

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Killed my interest in the Flamer because those throwing knives have shitall range and are awful to try and aim anyway

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At least with Gunners you can close distance, it feels like half the time Snipers set up in areas you physically can't reach

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Anyway

regal pendant
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Like I straight up just zoom with that shit

ionic tusk
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in dark communion zola tries to mockingly banter with rannick and he doesn't even seem to notice when he falls for it 💀

ionic tusk
ionic tusk
fierce marten
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I just always shredder on vet in general, so versatile and available

ionic tusk
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yeah but I didn't want to point that out because people might want to use off meta builds

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it really does just goes best nade -> best aura though which makes building anything else feel kinda painful

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but I ran shredder/ds4/zarona revolver for the 21st event since my zealot's lack of hordeclear felt bad in that; it generally went fine

frigid saffron
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Interested to try out this buffed version with my gunker

sonic elbow
marsh gyro
marsh gyro
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The bolt pistol explosion does about 50 damage which is about 1/7 a poxwalker and 1/4 a groaner

ionic tusk
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hm
maybe it was just absurd damage buffs then lmao

marsh gyro
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Ogryn has the Rumbler bleed stacks on explode except it's kind of impossible to use good because it applies stacks only on the close explosion and they fall off fast

ionic tusk
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at that point everything is just exploding anyway right

frigid saffron
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to be fair: bolt pistol with Leathal Prox and Puncture is the bread and butter with a frag nade vet

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(BP/shovel/Frag vet is my go to for havoc)

wraith grove
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So how does the mastery system work?

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It’s been a while since I played

frigid saffron
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Simple answer is you get weapon xp (mastery) by using it in mission or by sacrificing a bunch of dupes to hadron

Mastery gives higher weapon enhancement caps, the alt weapon marks, and points to spend on unlocking blessings

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You can't upgrade blessings to level 4 off the rip so you do need to spread your points around

wraith grove
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Ohhh, so now instead of repeatedly rolling a weapon to get a good blessing line up, you just get it high enough mastery and you just select the blessings you want?

marsh gyro
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Yeah you got it right

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Blessings also now only cost dockets to switch out so it's easy to respec a weapon now

wraith grove
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Sick

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Though that does mean I got a lot more grind then I realized

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How fast can you earn mastery?

marsh gyro
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One threat 5 match is like 34000 mastery points and each matching weapon sacrificed is like 10k so it goes quick

wraith grove
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Oh that’s nice

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I can do a 5 with some friends

marsh gyro
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If you're more comfortable on threat 4 then it's like 20k/match

wraith grove
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Also rn my weapons are 380-400, is there a way to get to 500 without just more missions run?

marsh gyro
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Power level is gated by mastery and 400 is still pretty dece

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Once you get to mastery 18 or so you can bump to 500

wraith grove
wraith grove
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Also man kinda annoying my psyker and vet are still so low

ionic tusk
# wraith grove How fast can you earn mastery?

you can also brute force it by buying weapons with brunt's 'give me this weapon' feature and then upgrading them one tier to be sacrificable iirc
which should be fairly fast since you'll get the bonus for matching weapon?

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no idea how expensive it is

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also make sure to use the weapons you're trying to earning mastery in rather than relying on the other weapon, I think that's required to earn any significant amount of xp (?)

ionic tusk
marsh gyro
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Melk also sells 500s good

ionic tusk
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oh yeah, that helps a lot
just note that which blessings a weapon has and what distribution the stats are are probably more significant than the overall level- although full 500's at least have minimum stats of 60

wraith grove
wraith grove
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What’s the cap for mastery?

marsh gyro
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It's level 20

wraith grove
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Thanks

regal pendant
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Is there any meaningful difference between the Mk. III and Mk. VI power swords?

frigid saffron
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3 has an easier sweeping light pattern and 4 has a better single targe pattern iirc

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But I don't use the power swords cus I don't like them so take that with a grain of salt cus that's off memory second hand knowledge

marsh gyro
drowsy vine
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That combo two shots Crushers with the right blessings and setup

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Mk 3 can't do that

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Just use the Mk6 once you get it

regal pendant
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...also, related

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This fucking thing needs a buff to its dodges BAD

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Holy shit this thing's mobility is awful

drowsy vine
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No it does not lol

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That's the one balance lever it has

regal pendant
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I dodge ONCE and immediately start jumping, that is fucking miserable

drowsy vine
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...Wamly

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Have you not seperated Dodge and Jump

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Please put those on seperate keys

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For your own sanity

regal pendant
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Is that possible on controller?

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That might help me out

drowsy vine
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Should be able to

drowsy tusk
regal pendant
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Toughness and Health

frigid saffron
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Stamina doesn't effect dodge I think

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But stamina is helpful for survivability

regal pendant
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...also the only ways I can change my dodge is by completely altering my controller's entire button layout

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Fun

frigid saffron
regal pendant
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I feel it being locked to one class kinda balances it out too

frigid saffron
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But also my "shitty dodge" weapon of choice is the chain axe to be fair

regal pendant
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Particularly a class more geared towards ranged combat

frigid saffron
regal pendant
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Shovels are funny, I'm tempted to use em

frigid saffron
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They have good cleave and good dodge

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Mk1 shovel is slept on as hell

marsh gyro
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Devil's Claws and Chain Swords cleave good too

ionic tusk
frigid saffron
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It's a shame the devil's claws are kinda mid- I do love the mk4 but man do they not feel great against armor

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shhhh (but yes ds needs a nerf- this is said as a psyker player that loved the thing before it became all class)

regal pendant
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...huh, weird, that message randomly didn't send but clicking resend instantly sent it

ionic tusk
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discord does that sometimes

regal pendant
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Completely functional webbed site/app

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Lmao it just did it again

frigid saffron
regal pendant
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Eh

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I tried chain axe before

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Don't care much for it

frigid saffron
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Fair dos

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After the "chain grind lock" change I have loved the thing

marsh gyro
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Thunderous chain axe with veteran brittleness crits is fun for the whole team

ionic tusk
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have you tried tac axe agile light attack spam
it's basically worse dueling sword but it is very funny

frigid saffron
marsh gyro
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Tac Axes are a go to of mine on martyrdom charge zealot

ionic tusk
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now discord is doing that to me
was also having server issues in darktide earlier
guess internet is having infrastructure issues

regal pendant
frigid saffron
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Fair dos

regal pendant
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Ah shit sorry Dragon

frigid saffron
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In that case: try the mk1 shovel

ionic tusk
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understandable
at some point I think mashing attack counts as multi target tho lol

regal pendant
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Lmao true

ionic tusk
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autoswing with the zealot momentum attack speed boost for maximum silly

frigid saffron
ionic tusk
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mostly just reply ping
I've had lots of bad experiences with it

frigid saffron
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Sorry

ionic tusk
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and the tac axe combo flowchart is just "light attack, always"

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it clangs like hell but it actually has a better modifier vs armor than the heavy iirc

regal pendant
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Does it?

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Interesting

ionic tusk
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the heavy still does more damage

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but the light loses less damage vs armor iirc

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and goes out WAY faster and more reliably

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that's the main barrier to me trying more weapons
my brain cannot handle figuring out what angle an attack is going to come from when I heavy attack with 80% of the weapons
and thus I become incapable of hitting things with it when it's most important

marsh gyro
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Shoutout to that one tac axe that's vertical heavies all day

frigid saffron
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Mk4 iirc

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(Blue one)

drowsy tusk
fierce marten
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It's why I got a mod that adds a dodge counter bar

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So there's 2 different bars for stamina and dodge

regal pendant
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I really should get to modding Darktide tbh

regal pendant
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Is it worth running three ability cooldowns on my curios as a shouty vet?

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I think it only reduces the cooldown by like... fiveish seconds? But I know that the strength of the shout is the spammability of it and getting to shout more often seems like it'd be handy.

waxen patio
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Probably doesn't hurt if you're making good use of the shout constantly. Try looking at the opportunity cost of what you'd use instead. I know veterans love their toughness stats so that's kinda spoken for

vapid anvil
regal pendant
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Yeah the difference between 25 and 30 seconds isn't really that large

frigid saffron
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Unironically having shout ready seconds earlier is great for consistency

ionic tusk
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shout is best spammed very frequently for more gold tougness uptime and cc
it why shout is in top 3-ish abilities in the game

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🤔 vet also has a node to reduce ability cooldown and psyker has a node to reduce other's ability cooldowns; I wonder if those activating a lot makes the curio perks better because the curio perks apply instantly every time the ability goes on cooldown (they work by reducing the max cooldown time)

ionic tusk
wraith grove
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How’s the twin heavy stubber gun ogryn build?

marsh gyro
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It's great with rending and gonna get even better with buffs on the 25th

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Depending on the stubber mark you can expect to shoot 3500-6000 rounds in a non-Havoc match

wraith grove
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Oh Jesus

wraith grove
sonic elbow
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I could never quite gel with the twin-link

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it's not as powerful or sustained as its inaccuracy would suggest so like yeah it is a perfectly good gun
when I happen to be hitting

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I hate missing in general though so that's more me than the gun

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I run the laspistol extensively despite its shortcomings because it only misses when I skissue it

marsh gyro
marsh gyro
sonic elbow
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yeah I have a vet build I call the lorewalk

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ghost laspistol with spend stamina for crit chance and regain stamina on dodges

wraith grove
frank igloo
marsh gyro
regal pendant
frigid saffron
regal pendant
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...how rare is this? I don't recall ever seeing any +Stamina curios that go beyond +1

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cloud hazel
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i think you can hit +3

regal pendant
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...oh come on now

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fierce marten
# frank igloo

Which would hurt carapace armored Ogyrns more? A stubber meant for heavy fire against tough foes or someone with a knife and a lot of faith

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Or I guess more apt is bolter vs knife

marsh gyro
fierce marten
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Does the knife even have any scripture hanging from it

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Can't believe the bolter skin doesn't even have a candle or wax seals on it

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I don't think the relic blade does either, and it's whole thing is it has huge cultural significant. I think we got a knockoff

regal pendant
#

We really did

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You can tell where Fatshark put their effort in for the mastery skins

waxen patio
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it truly is remarkable the kind of armaments we hopeless penal dregs get access to

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power swords, force blades, thunder hammers, relic blades

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these things do NOT belong in the hands of some random bozos

ionic tusk
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getting them is mostly a matter of checking the shop a lot: I'm not sure if player progression plays a role or not

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if you care about curios I'd advise getting the main menu mod so you can quickly go through all your curios from the main menu without having to load the mournginstar and walk around 4 times- then do this inbetween missions
otherwise you won't get enough gacha pulls to get decent stats in a sane amount of time :/

regal pendant
# waxen patio these things do NOT belong in the hands of some random bozos

"You are REJECTS, you are HERETICS, you are SHIT TIER SCUM OF THE EARTH and you should be GLAD that the Inquisition saved you from EXECUTION so that you can MAYBE, JUST MAYBE DIE A DEATH THAT MAKES UP FOR HOW ABYSMALLY DOGSHIT YOU ARE"

"Oh yeah btw here's an Astartes' old kit. No armor though, you wouldn't fit in it sadly. FUCK EM UP SLUGGER"

ionic tusk
#

well in-lore you probably get the equipment of a reject who died before you
and when you die your gear gets picked from the battlefield and given to the next reject

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"many have bourne your arms before you: more will do so after your passing"

regal pendant
#

But where the fuck did those Rejects get power swords and force blades and thunder hammers and relic blades and bolters

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Those are all SUPER fucking high end pieces of kit

ionic tusk
#

it's a whole hive city
the best stuff probably filters through to the rejects who don't die

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🤔 that does beg the question if there were more traditional high-end forces in tertium who all died and now their stuff is being tossed around through the rejects

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or maybe hollowette is just doing her thing
she gets chastised for trading with xenos a lot so I figure she has a deceptively long reach

and she has reason to supply the rejects also, not only do they pay but they have gone on at least one mission to source her valuable materials (prismata crystals in ascension riser)

regal pendant
#

Tbh it's probably Hallowette

ionic tusk
#

it could also just have been like, 1 elite squad or something
the actual playercount isn't representative of reject's power spread- probably not even if you count all the failed missions each player has under their belt, since once a player reaches level 30 they can play hundreds or even thousands at that level

waxen patio
#

yeah like no matter who is responsible or if it's just getting passed around, these kinds of items have zero business being anywhere near this caste of people

ionic tusk
#

eh
it kinda really is "random bullshit go"

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and part of that is not caring how the rejects do their thing as long as they do do their thing
ie with the psykers (which is probably why there's so many demonhosts everywhere)

waxen patio
#

those daemonhosts are doing pretty well at holding back the possession until someone rolls up and causes a gunfight around them

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props

ionic tusk
#

"hmmm yes I should suppress the demonhost"

regal pendant
#

Daemonhosts when they see the screaming fundie charge at them with a glowing hammer:

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...honestly it's kind of funny how a threat that space marines would shit themselves at can be bodied by some half-naked fuck with a giant hammer

soft summit
#

Tbf the Rejects are scary

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They've likely killed tens if not hundreds of thousands on their own so far

regal pendant
#

Yeah like

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At a certain point someone is going to glance over, take a closer look, and realize "Oh my Jesus fucking Christ why do we have these fuckheads stuck on Atoma, go put them somewhere more useful"

ionic tusk
#

the ultimate training ground

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... but it has been pointed out that there's some unknown reason that the inquisition isn't just glassing the planet, and it's unlike that it's merely "there's people in the hive city"
🤔 although perhaps the moebian steel arcs (and commentary on atoman tanks by hadron) indicate it produces valuable war supplies

soft summit
#

Iirc Grendal also has connections to the Nobles of Atoma

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Which may be another reason

soft summit
regal pendant
#

One of them anyway

regal pendant
waxen patio
# regal pendant At a certain point *someone* is going to glance over, take a closer look, and re...

I'm a fan of the theory that all the rejects are indoctrinated into a psyker effect at the start, that being what the whole "The Warrior" cutscene is early on. Akin to the old star wars jedi battle meditation, the rejects are empowered with supernatural skill survivability and lethality so long as they stay bought into the kayfabe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5FAnTdoZ4c

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ionic tusk
#

that matches how I view toughness, a kind of "nuh uh" effect based on how much they can deny they were being hit
if riding high they can shrug off a lot, but when the tide turns they're left vulnerable
also kinda explains why toughness works perfectly against bullets but not melee attacks, bullets are easier to deny with a 'that missed me' than a melee attack is, plus more removed so the attacker's own will is less involved

regal pendant
#

...when the Darktide turns, you might say

regal pendant
#

Do ragers ever fucking stop swinging

drowsy vine
marsh gyro
fierce marten
fierce marten
wintry plaza
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I just chalk up the rare weapon access to being in the Inquisition.

ionic tusk
#

anything involving buying I'd consider gameplay and story seperatation
because past a certain point money isn't a real resource unless you buy like 300 guns at once for some reason

wintry plaza
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Yeah

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Turning every game mechanic into lore is ultimately fruitless.

ionic tusk
#

esp. post havoc where you can do 1 mission a week and get more than most people do grinding for a month

fierce marten
#

Atoma just has a bunch of trains being hijacked

marsh gyro
#

1 havoc a week is pretty doable and chill

Sometimes somebody drops and it's a bust and most the time it's a friendly time

ionic tusk
#

I prefer havocs to normals since everyone tryharding feels great
but I haven't had a successful run in a while due to a mix of crashing, toxicity, bad luck, and very few attempts when my schedule lines up with my friends at similar havoc progression 😔

ionic tusk
marsh gyro
#

Oh yeah I'll absolutely take 2000 diamantine for 25 minutes of effort

#

Speaking of which, havoc dev blog is out:
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1361210/view/573751255204102938?l=english

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One of the new modifiers is gonna be "more daemonhosts" so hooray for more chaos

frigid saffron
regal pendant
#

Is +weakpoint damage worth using in a build?

#

Or is the bonus so small it's barely perceptible?

marsh gyro
#

It only increases the bonus you get to the weak spot hit so it's tiny; it's noticeable on like a helbore but skippable for armor bonuses or crit chance otherwise

ionic tusk
#

^ the alternatives are generally much better
even on a high weakspot-damage weapon

#

🤔 it might depend on how you're using it though
definitely check the weapon first, a lot of them are going to have the end result be less than 10% benefit which isn't great

opaque crown
#

whats my usecase for the power club on the ogryn? Its got te nice little explosion and relatively fast attacks, but i often find it not really filling any niche for me

regal pendant
#

Is ogryn supposed to feel like they're made of glass and paper or is that just low level gameplay

marsh gyro
marsh gyro
opaque crown
#

hmm hm ok

sonic elbow
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for a sort of meme build I runthe increased explosion radius perk and power surge + skullcrusher on the maul

opaque crown
sonic elbow
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every energised hit bowls over everyone around me while applying twice the skullcrusher stacks

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........wait

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hold tf up

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new ogryn tree has "explosions apply burn"

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power maul is an explosion

opaque crown
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ooo

marsh gyro
sonic elbow
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yeah power surge

opaque crown
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its all coming up ogryn

marsh gyro