#dark tidings (Darktide for people in the searchbar)

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ionic tusk
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as well as the other classes

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you can't slide continuously though so you do take a few shots at the start/end of each slide in the chain

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maybe also explosions and other strange stuff?

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at least this is my understanding
"dodging to ranged attacks" from blessings and the like is jank wording when there's an actual dodge with it's own reduction multiplier
I personally would just use the word "immune", and say that sprinting at certain angles and during slides/dodges all make you immune to ranged attacks

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but maybe there's some that can't be dodged 🤷‍♀️

fierce marten
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Damn poor ogyrns

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Immune is a better term since it doesn't activate on dodge stuff

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Being able to fool gunners by slightly sprint to the side towards them is funny

ionic tusk
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it's just it won't help in melee
they have a lot of tools to create space so I think it's less an issue than it sounds

ionic tusk
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given the penances depicting it against reapers

frank igloo
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Yeah, also i do like how most weapons have both a mark with more simple combos (doing all heavies or all lights) and a mark that rewards more technical combos so everyone has something they can use

sonic elbow
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wasn't there a way to change classes during the pre-mission screen

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I could swear there was

sonic elbow
heavy geyser
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the running sideways dodging is so wonky, it feels like a vestigial feature

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Like in practice it ends up like, why dash sideways to dodge bullets when I can dashslide forward and kill the gunner?

ionic tusk
# sonic elbow wasn't there a way to change classes during the pre-mission screen

you can change loadouts but classes are a whole headache
you have to 'change operator' which puts you back to the main menu
there's a mod that facilitates doing stuff from the main menu but it breaks a bit when parties get involved
otherwise you have to load the mourningstar again any time you want to switch chars

...and walk to the mission terminal which is just. the game absolutely does not respect your time
(helldivers is similarly awful with walking back to the terminal if missions start breaking but unfortunately doesn't have mods to fix that. diagetic ui is cool and all but, the UX is awful)

ionic tusk
heavy geyser
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You're gonna get murdered by them if you're not dashsliding anyways, you only have the protection in the very specific and narrow angle of running 80 to 90 degrees perpendicular to their line of fire on you

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The way I've seen it worded it is was like, they originally intended it to protect you as you dart from cover to cover, but the slide mechanic overlaps it in a way where you can just dashslide at the guys shooting you and kill them

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It ends up being why a lot of people don't have that "dodge reaper bullets" penance, you either kill the reaper at range or you dashslide up and kill them up close.

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Like, this isn't a practical system the game requires you to make use of

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My understanding is this game was originally "everyone was a Veteran" and this sounds like a system from a more gun-centric cover shooter

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But the game as it is now is a dashslide melee hootenany and this system doesn't come into play very much at all, like that might be why that reaper penance is kinda awkward to progress

ionic tusk
ionic tusk
heavy geyser
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Yeah, like the slide system completely overlaps this rundodge thing

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So much so that it feels like it's a remnant of an older vision of the game

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But there's still penances and blessings that tie on to it.

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its all very fatshark

sonic elbow
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taking cover pretty much never works anyways

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the safest place to be is plugging the gun like bugs bunny

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no but for real it really pisses me off how I can't squat low enough for the clearly gears of warsy chest high barricades to actually do their job

fierce marten
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What does veteran cover mechanic do

sonic elbow
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lets him peek over cover when ADS

fierce marten
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Is it like peek let's you see fully but most of your body is behind cover?

sonic elbow
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I think your hitbox stays the same but your camera lifts or something like that

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I have never in my entire life remembered I can do that

ionic tusk
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reject cover embrace slidetide

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I don't think I've ever really played a traditional cover shooter
for me 'cover' is just breaking los with a wall

waxen patio
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Pretty much. Too many gunners? Just leave! If you're feeling confident enough do some powersliding toward their position and start swinging to force them out of shooty mode.

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A side-habit I try sometimes with staff psykers is spamming warp bolts toward shooters in an attempt to suppress them. It sometimes works.

ionic tusk
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you can do the same thing with shotgunners (run at them to get them to stop shooting) which I feel is really weird

fierce marten
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I play zealot so I never opted for cover

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If the enemy is using cover then that's a mistake on their part to be not shooting cause I'll be in melee and cover will not help

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Even on veteran I just shouted until I got better

ionic tusk
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snipers can use cover effectively sometimes
although the real nasty trick is when they look like they're in cover but aren't so you keep trying to shoot over it

sonic elbow
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the funny part is that regular shooters are a lot more likely to point blank you than shotgunners

ionic tusk
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the shotgunners have machetes and when they pull them out it's so over for them

fierce marten
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Before shotgunners got knock back nerfed you'd get them refusing to engage in melee

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They just point blanked you several times, they will not stop their shooting animation

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They bought Burst and they will shoot a burst

ionic tusk
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they'd probably be more dangerous if they just stood there doing nothing until you backed away again
but they follow you around staying mostly ineffective

sonic elbow
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imagine the bayonet guardsmen but not bad at their job

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as at the moment they take a few years to recover from a lunge

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and tend to forget to go back to shooting

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if they switched modes fluidly they'd be an avengers level threat

fierce marten
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Moebian 6 are in lore highly well trained and discipline soldiers

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Then 4 rejects come along

ionic tusk
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in mission lore they're all on smoke breaks

waxen patio
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unfortunately they're coked up on warp fumes

fierce marten
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More like they got smoked broke. Because flamer or something idk

ionic tusk
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"it's the carnival sir. all the off duty people you called in are high af"

sonic elbow
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ripping it straight from papa's garden

fierce marten
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The warp shrooms fed off of the corpses of your enemies hit different

ionic tusk
fierce marten
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We don't even get flak armor, just plot armor

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They refuse to give any thing other than pants to zealots

ionic tusk
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I think it's less plot armor and just every failed mission is also canonical

sonic elbow
fierce marten
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We get a set that has a small book sized section of chainmail

ionic tusk
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and it's just the missions that we do are the 0.001% of rejects who become legends

fierce marten
ionic tusk
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like imagine, for every actual mission the players do, there's 1000s of missions done by 4 bots who die in 30s

sonic elbow
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if it weren't nurgle we could win just by clogging all of their travel channels with dead knife zealots

ionic tusk
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and then missions like rolling steel and dark communion are the ones that only happen once/a few times with the best of the best

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so yeah narratively the players are special but not really plot bullshit
but rather putting boneless meat in the grinder enough times that you collect enough errant bone shards to load a gun with

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if that makes any sense

sonic elbow
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the traitor plot is so fucking funny btw

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it took me and my friends so long to figure out who that even was

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we were like Literally Who

ionic tusk
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I think it's interesting because they're secretly in half the cutscenes and you don't even notice

fierce marten
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Would the imperium really do that? Just let the inquisition send waves upon waves of hapless people to their death? This is why you should have more faith, join the guardsman

ionic tusk
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it's more a cool thing you notice when leveling another character

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I did my characters all the way to 30 one at a time and each time kept spotting them in more scenes

sonic elbow
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the traitor is someone you never suspected? cool
the traitor is someone you never committed to memory? funny

ionic tusk
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eh
they're subconscious side character

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so it's unsettling

fierce marten
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The reveal was so lost and I didn't realize until dozens of hours later on a new character it was a shopkeep

ionic tusk
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the face you've seen before but can't remember from where

fierce marten
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That I probably passed by and talked to hundreds of times

ionic tusk
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yeah!

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I think that's great because it adds a lot of replayability to it

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you're in the dark the first time
catch on the second time
and then the third time you're hunting down all their little appearances

fierce marten
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I'm glad we got the gameplay we did. Cause it's extremely sick, but remember when they lauded story and getting a prolific writer to direct the game plot

ionic tusk
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since you know the actual plot and interactions there needs to be something like that to make it not a total snoozefest when you do it again

fierce marten
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I'd probably choose gameplay over story, having come from destiny you can only replay a story line so many times

ionic tusk
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yeah

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idk I think most missions are written very well

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they use a fair few techniques to make it less repetitive

fierce marten
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Are they in an order or just very self contained

ionic tusk
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it's not A tier plot as in plot for the plot
but it's good to complement the gameplay

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some have an order?
but I think the self contained ones do better

sonic elbow
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I never got tired of the character chatter in vermintide and could piece together a sort of timeline and logic progression of the missions
here I don't really care but it's never grating either so could be worse

fierce marten
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I don't know, aside from the events and skulls many of the storyline in missions don't really carrybover

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I do love the voice lines in vermintide 2

ionic tusk
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"faceless mission done 100s of times in a bunch of different places, slightly differently" is the narrative resonance they're going for

fierce marten
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I do wish we had more lines for like backgrounds

ionic tusk
fierce marten
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The 2 backgrounds that basically matter besides personality for voice is cadiain vs not cadian

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Cadiain characters will always talk about how it's like Cadia and the not Cadian ones all shit on how well Cadia is nowadays

sonic elbow
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I accidentally picked an ex enforcer for my psyker voice and he won't shut up about his copper days videogames

ionic tusk
fierce marten
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Luckily for 50k dockets you can change personality

ionic tusk
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I like the fem enforcer and masc madman best for psyker I think

fierce marten
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I chose insane zealot woman at first cause I thought it was funny 40k fanatic but it got tired fast and paid for vaguely French zealot

ionic tusk
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I have the zealot that is obviously trying her best to not be bigoted but failing utterly because she was raised in the imperium

sonic elbow
ionic tusk
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occasionally she says something socialist and it's ballin'

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or maybe communist

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idk

sonic elbow
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it's just such a

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Ok boomer type line

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I love it

ionic tusk
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oh you do twins more than once? I need to do that sometime lmao

fierce marten
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Cadian is like this is a nice vacation

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Also there was a deathworld background

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Dont twins have a secret boss mode

sonic elbow
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yeah but I don't remember the trigger

marsh gyro
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You have to ring seven bells a specific amount of times

ionic tusk
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bells

fierce marten
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Assuming it wasn't data mined that's kind of wild to figure out

marsh gyro
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Hard mode is significantly more difficult than normal twins on account of eight million ragers

sonic elbow
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honestly the hardest part of the fight is not having someone on rager duty when the gas disperses

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or maybe like two to four someones

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the bosses are a minor annoyance in that moment

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the greatest threat from the bosses is rodin's aggro indecisiveness leading him to do a 180 and melta your spine if you ever decide he surely got a new target and stop looking at him

fierce marten
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What if the real threat to the imperium wasn't the darktide, but the Randoms we queued up with along the way.

ionic tusk
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so true

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max wound ogyrn/vet isn't real, they can't hurt you
max wound ogyrn/vet:

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I have yet to see a max wound psyker
despite there being theoretical meme builds to make it amusing (taking the one that lets you POW without going down to explodemax)

honestly that might even be useful-interesting, depending on if it still heals you as if you went down or just applies the corruption damage

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not good but like. a funny meme

frank igloo
ionic tusk
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aw probably not

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waxen patio
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suicide bomber psyker is some kind of meme for sure

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not remotely good or even particularly effective, but a meme

ionic tusk
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yeah I'm just shocked I haven't seen it

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if it restored hp it'd actually be like, semi effective

fierce marten
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Bomber psyker is just all psykers on malice

ionic tusk
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I just had a Moment where I looked at the mission select screen and admired how nice it looked
and then I realized everything I appreciated was from mods xd

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sonic elbow
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I'm stupidly obsessed with the idea of an autopistol build

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because the gun is just so weird

marsh gyro
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The big thing is you want pinning fire for better cleave and the other blessing is a flex slot

drowsy tusk
mortal crystal
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Unnerf the auto pistol we can be trusted with it 🙂

tough compass
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Does it still have surprisingly high stagger? I found that part really funny

marsh gyro
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Sure does and it's funny on middle tree zealot with 30% more impact

sonic elbow
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I had a very enjoyable run with uhhh

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agile tac axe, powderburn and blaze away autopistol

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ionic tusk
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agile tac axe my beloved,,,

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do you have the autoswing mod for maximum tac axe silliness

sonic elbow
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nope

ionic tusk
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unfortunate
another silly thing you can do it a momentum build and use the infinite dodges to get momentum that way

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but you'd have less ability uses than with your current setup

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I've done both and I think fury is stronger overall due to more consistent abilities but momentum is more convenient since you regenerate toughness on a clock and thus aren't left high and dry basically ever

sonic elbow
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momentum also improves dodges, an unlisted effect

sonic elbow
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another fucked up zealot talent behaviour is that shield of contempt stacks with multiple zealots

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World's Most Invincible (40% of time) martyrdom zealot and his hype squad

ionic tusk
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does it work on toughness damage or only hp damage? it's always super unclear to me

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because a martrydom zealot probably isn't taking hp damage very much

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just in spikes to get all their benefits to trigger

sonic elbow
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needs hp damage to proc, applies general damage reduction

sonic elbow
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the autopistol is surprisingly competent here but the throwing knives are inseparable from it

ionic tusk
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ah yes the eternal zealot question
"the right side of the starting tree is cracked but I don't want to take loner, should I anyway"

sonic elbow
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loner does make some sense with shroudfield since you regenerate toughness even in the middle of a crowd while stealthed

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but it's so very whatever

ionic tusk
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I think ideally you have better things to do than just sit stealthed waiting for toughness to slowly regen

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it's planning for a worse case and extremely mid at it

sonic elbow
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the real zealot struggle is that duelist is behind two small nodes

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and on the opposite side to everything good

ionic tusk
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even if the rest of the party wipes I think loner isn't that great because after the initial surge that keeps you melee locked, there are so few enemies not regenerating toughness is fine

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is duelist the weak spot one?

sonic elbow
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ye

ionic tusk
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it's also next to until death

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the zealot tree is like.
left, right, then do whatever in terms of power

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until death and it's sequel are the only way to regenerate hp without using resources afaik

sonic elbow
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until death is Ok but it's a significant detour and I can prevent death with the extremely strong talents I get from not going there

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less of a detour if you're doing charge ofc

ionic tusk
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the main thing is that it's so widely useful
stealth crusher? survive it and get some hp back
sniper? survive it and get some hp back
attrition? survive it and get some hp back

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it's useful when random bs thing happens but also normally

sonic elbow
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using it actively for 5 seconds of doing anything you want for free is better than keeping it in your pocket imo

ionic tusk
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adds a lot of reliability and insurance "I'm fine, I have until death, you take the med station"

sonic elbow
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if only it synergized with martyrdom
which it technically does but martyrdom is stupid to begin with

ionic tusk
sonic elbow
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hmm yes I will invest all of my everything into more wounds for the express purpose of losing them

ionic tusk
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how is martyrdom stupid

ionic tusk
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but also the stats you get from stacking it are competitive with the stats you'd get from using curios normally

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wounds just break your hp bar into smaller chunks

sonic elbow
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to me it seems that they tried to ctrl+c ctrl+v vermintide zealot

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and didn't consider how different wounds make the equation

ionic tusk
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martyrdom zealots are ungodly tanky but often struggle with toughness regen from what I've seen

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like, bursts of it

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tbh though most of my exposure to maryrdom and shroudfield is one of my friend's demonhost oneshot build

ionic tusk
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6.5% toughness reduction or whatever may sound small but it stacks additively

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and the way wounds function normally is not impaired at all by low hp- you need to go past low hp to go down in the first place

ionic tusk
sonic elbow
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my problem is that you have to take curios and the talent to be able to get the benefit
a stat that no one would normally want on their curios
no other capstone asks for this kind of investment and the payoff stops short of breaking even

ionic tusk
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if everyone could get another stat they care about for free on wound curios they'd be considered more useful

sonic elbow
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martyrdom struggling to get high toughness is a thing in its favour though, technically

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damage bleedthrough is prevented at full toughness no matter how low that value is

ionic tusk
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and you want that to avoid going down

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you don't play to take passive damage with martrydom

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you get your buffs online with until death or a barrel or something and then run around at as close to 99% of a single wound you can for as long as you can

drowsy vine
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If you can maintain it, it's incredibly potent

ionic tusk
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yeah for stats it's an amazing deal
it's just you have to play at low hp and that is a major downside

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barrels become even more deadly due to bypassing toughness

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think of martrydom optimized being like:
You can't have more than 1 wound of hp.
Every wound curio you have gains the following stats in addition to it's core stats:

  • +8% melee damage
  • +6.5% Toughness Damage Reduction
  • +4% melee Attack Speed
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the final possible values being +48% melee damage, 39% toughness reduction, and +24% melee attack speed; at least on heresy and damnation: it's 1 stack higher on lower difficulties due to more wounds (although sedition and uprising hit the stack limit so they're all identical)

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a major thing I'd say limiting it's top end potential is just. Blazing Piety + Invocation of Death to spam chorus is too good
it gets outcompeted in a different department, utility and team play

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however outside of maybe 30+ havoc I don't think you need top-end number crunched builds to be effective
it's still solidly an auric-capable playstyle

opaque crown
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i think even playing at just max difficulty on normal, you dont need really need optimization

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your build needs to have some synergies and work, but thats about it

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as in non havoc/non auric

marsh gyro
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Even on Auric you can mostly throw whatever at a wall as long as you can deal with a conga line of crushers and ragers which a ton of builds can do

fierce marten
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Pretty much, can you deal with most enemies? Congrats it works on auric, although some builds definitely make it easier than others but there's not a build cap for auric once you've played enough.

opaque crown
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i havent gone into havoc at all, but i imagine the demands go up a bit and require a bit more intimate knowledge of builds interactions

neon nymph
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I keep wanting to try out Havoc, mostly for the sick-as-hell cosmetics
But I legitimately don't know if I'm good enough

marsh gyro
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Doing 1 Havoc a week is huge resources from the caches

ionic tusk
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yeah low level havoc is usually easier than the average normal board mission due to forcing a premade of those who've done a malestorm prior

ionic tusk
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🤔 that's not saying it's not difficult, just that most of the difficulty comes from understanding the mechanics of elites and specialists that aren't explained anywhere, rather than build stuff

neon nymph
ionic tusk
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like half a year

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it's totally insane

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if you just want specific rewards though the answer is going to be very different depending on which one
some are tied to havoc clearance, others are tied to helping others, etc etc

ionic tusk
# neon nymph I keep wanting to try out Havoc, mostly for the sick-as-hell cosmetics But I leg...

I think havoc is more a matter of finding the right group since the intent is all pre-made play
if you find a group you mesh with the individual ability requirement for each player is going to be lower
if you just enter randoms it'll be more gambling than anything

that said I do echo what clem is saying, you can treat havoc 1-20 as quickplay auric and it'll be fine
hell, 1-10 as quickplay normal board

sonic elbow
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in terms of builds havoc impacts ranged play much more

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the grace period when your toughness breaks progressively shrinks and enemies lose their stormtrooper syndrome mechanic

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and ammo pickups become scarce so if your team can't mostly run off of a survivalist vet you'll need other tools

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on that note

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I play a blades zealot and my friend is a staff psyker main

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so our random teammates incredulously walk up to all the grenade/ammo boxes we ping like "for me? :D"

ionic tusk
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lol
a lot of the lobbies I enter have only 1 person capable of picking up grenades, or a vet who regenerates them so fast they pretend pickups don't exist

fierce marten
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If only blades could refill from grenades instead

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Vet probably on havoc and both talents that regen grenades you'd throw grenades more than shoot your gun. Ammo modifiers hit hard

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Especially in the off chance you're like a gun Ogyrn and there's another one

ionic tusk
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demo team scales heavily with the elite count so you get even more than you would normally

fierce marten
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Shredders are pretty nice for thinning hordes with how many you get

ionic tusk
fierce marten
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Just always be throwing

ionic tusk
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shredders can also work well against crushers

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they're good CC on top of bleeding everything
however I get the feeling my game would probably implode if I experienced someone doing that in havoc

fierce marten
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Does havoc 30+ have modifiers that would affect grenades? 2 shredders should just kill everything that isn't a crusher

ionic tusk
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it has modifiers that effect enemy hp iirc

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I am hoping next time I try out havoc I'll have a survivalist vet teammate consistently since that'll make my gun usage fine
I typically use less than survivalist refills so never have to pick up ammo when they're around, and I think that is unaffected by the havoc modifiers

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so as long as the increased enemy density doesn't overload my economy I should be able to run my standard stuff

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iirc the highest I've done is 29

regal pendant
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Most of them are kinda eh to me but that psyker coat is just

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And the veteran helmet too

ionic tusk
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premium?

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I'm waiting for a non-premium helmet that doesn't have a logo on it lol

regal pendant
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Prolly

cloud hazel
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gaming

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lost cave
regal pendant
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They do look nice

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It's just some of them feel a little samey to other sets

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It's like they put half of their effort into the psyker coat and the other half into everything else

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Not gonna complain though, I main melee psyker and I NEEEEEEEEEEED that coat so fucking bad

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It'll look so good with the rogue trader hat

lost cave
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Between this and the Rhino Heirloom I'm not going to financially recover from this.

regal pendant
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Eh, I prefer my Blade of the Lotus Rhino, so I'm safe there lmao

spiral badger
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best havoc 40 team

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cloud hazel
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unga unga unga

spiral badger
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would have been deathless except one guy crashed and got another killed due to the positioning change
had to salvage that and pick them both up

ionic tusk
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truly a darktide moment

regal pendant
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God I forgot how fun my melee/CQC vet build is

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This shit rocks

drifting prism
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Yeah!

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What gun you rocking?

ionic tusk
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(flashlights and shooting near them (any source of suppression really) aggravate them, not just proximity)

fierce marten
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Yea people assume it works like l4d2 witch which only triggers on flashlight directly at them or gunfire

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Even though I'm zealot I run past a good distance so if I do fire a gun it won't be in range to contribute to the angry mode

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Which some people don't do and are like firing heavy stubber or plasma guns volleys near it then trigger it, which I assume they think it works exactly like l4d2

marsh gyro
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I want to say stray scab sniper shots can wake it up and can't verify

fierce marten
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Pro strat for sniper imo, why don't they just shoot the daemonhost while the rejects are nearby are they stupid?

ionic tusk
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inb4 l4d style witch vs infected

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(at least iirc in versus doing that will make the witch attack the special that pissed it off instead of the nearby survivors)

ionic tusk
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and a lot of people ignore the frost I've read in comments (or disable fullscreen effects)

marsh gyro
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The frost gets lost easily in level environmental effects

dawn totem
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I usually give it a wide berth, or walk real slow if I have to get closer to move past. And for Throne's sake, don't gawk at it!

ionic tusk
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there's also some annoying parts like the dh spot not lasting very long

waxen patio
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The sound is always prevalent to me, directional audio is great

ionic tusk
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I think there's tiers of 'dh obliviousness'

  • doesn't know what an obstacle enemy is
  • knows of it but is still learning what it does
  • thinks it's a witch they can crown
  • thinks the aggro doesn't build up and so is fine fighting in range of it
waxen patio
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I don't think I've ever noticed frost

ionic tusk
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from what I've read it actually doesn't have directional audio? it's a problem for some mods

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like the intial sound is directional but the passive ones aren't

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and the mod that converts audio to visuals thus can only display the initial sound

ionic tusk
waxen patio
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AFAIK there's exactly zero reason to ever deliberately engage a daemonhost unless it's for a penance, and yet I still have seen people ask if we want to fight it, get a majority no answer, and then someone runs and attacks it anyway

ionic tusk
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notably this is how you tell that despite being on a different floor you are still accumulating danger

mortal crystal
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Killing a daemonhost can clear up space if you're in a tight space

ionic tusk
mortal crystal
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It's only reasonable to do, however, if you have a thammer zealot imo

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because they legit can just delete it

ionic tusk
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you can 1shot them but it generally requires a specialist build
and doesn't always work, but usually they can clean it up within 5s

mortal crystal
#

You can't one shot them

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Generally takes around three hits?

ionic tusk
#

you can

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backstab headshot thunder hammer in stealth

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with almost full martyr stacks

marsh gyro
#

Best I see these days in practice is about 75% which a second boop handles

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By the time everyone yells "demonhead, noooo," it's dead

ionic tusk
#

I've also seen a dh take 2/3rds hp and not wake up

#

like it got hit
didn't aggro
then aggroed a few seconds later due to proximity after the confusion of it not aggroing
and it had 1/3rd health left

#

the main problem with people trying to fight them is the shield ogyrns who jump in and then tank
and then the team gets more messed up than if someone had stumbled in and died because suddenly everyone is at 49% corruption instead of just 1 death

fierce marten
#

I never noticed the frost, I just vaguely know the stages of it like rising as an indicator of how much aggro you made near it.

ionic tusk
#

yeah the frost is more consistent than listening to what stage the dialogue is at
both mainly for when you can't see it directly

fierce marten
#

Yea the shield Ogyrn thing I see often, even after everyone has run past they I assume trigger it so no one else does.

ionic tusk
#

I think generally putting 3 people 1 bad shot away from death is more dangerous than 1 person dying
and that's assuming the shield ogyrn tanks successfully which is often more of a tossup than a dh hunting build

fierce marten
#

I assume they don't know it causes AoE corruption for the team

ionic tusk
#

🤔 I think the biggest player to game misunderstanding involving them is their purpose
in l4d witches wander around and there's more expectation for you to fight them
but also their aggro goes down after you leave a bit

but dhs slowly build up so staying in the area poses more risk than merely getting knocked into the dh insta threat range

ionic tusk
#

I for one didn't realize why I had that much corruption
I just thought I got hit by it and the other stuff

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it was only when my builds got to the point where I could be sure it wasn't due to getting hit that I made the connection

ionic tusk
#

zoey even pushes off the hunter before shooting it

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although darktide is also much more thematically (mechanically? valve time gives new meaning to this) messy so shove vs shoot for dogs is more of a tossup even when that close

#

helldivers is similar
it's interesting to learn that way but ultimately less conducive to enjoyable pubs

because not everyone is involved in the wider community, has enough time to learn it the hard way in lower level missions, or talkative in-mission

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and unlike dark souls I don't think this is intentional to encourage community interaction

waxen patio
sonic elbow
#

on the off chance I see we're doing good damage to the DH I'll pitch in but yeah

waxen patio
#

It's such a hassle to kill the daemonhost that it's not worth the effort, unless the team I'm with actually has the coordination and capability to kill it (rare)

fierce marten
ionic tusk
waxen patio
#

yeaaaaah

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and then I remember that I'm running a weakspot-destroyer build psyker of some kind and feel at least sort of obligated to come contribute headshots

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either that or brittleness from trauma/inferno staff

fierce marten
#

The only accidental daemonhost encountered I enjoyed was as a veteran, I marked it and ran a room ahead because the horde was basically nonexistent and you probably could have run past without damage but the other 3 were like standing and fighting like a dozen pox walkers for no reason.

They triggered it, someone immediately left when they got downed by the daemonhost and it targeted me, little did it know I have the devils claw and parried almost every attack and it did more damage to itself than my teammates did.

#

The ol heresy days

ionic tusk
#

I'm so glad I learnt that from this message

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saved a lot of time in a pub just now lmao

#

hm
what if each map had an achievement like the 'insert samples within 5s of each other' in excise vault or the 'kill things by pushing them into fan'
but it explained the mechanic in the achievement description?
(because if they change the mechanic they might have to change the achievement description anyways)

#

so for foundryplex that'd be "Restore power to the lateral shuttle without any pylon overloading (plyons power up left to right until one starts to overload)"

gentle flame
#

Wow, Penetration of the Soul is finally working

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and it's STILL bad lmao

#

Really loving that Warp Flurry was fixed tho

#

My beloved Electrospam is back cacoheart

marsh gyro
#

What was broke about Warp Flurry?

heavy geyser
cloud hazel
#

thoughts

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marsh gyro
# cloud hazel thoughts

It's a great starter knife, eventually you'll want a knife that has 80% mobility for the zoomies and this will do you fine til then

sonic elbow
#

what do you give up for mobility?

marsh gyro
#

On a knife, either damage or penetration, the ranges on damage are low and the penetration is made up by rending blessings

dawn totem
fierce marten
#

I opt for penetration if it's zealot , the difference between 60 and 80 for knife doesn't hit different breakpoints so you'll one shot most enemies fine with 60 even if for some reason you don't take a rending blessing, uncanny Strike my beloved.

#

Difference between 60 and 80 mob is kind of noticeable

dawn totem
#

I don't have a screenshot yet but I'm happy with my Helblore gun with Rending shots and Crit chance charge on aim. It's becoming a deletion machine.

marsh gyro
#

Yeah Surgical/Armourbane is a power combo

dawn totem
#

With bumps in crit chance and more damage on armored guys.

marsh gyro
#

The fun part is if you shoot a crusher twice with the combo you can stab it the rest of the way to save ammo

ionic tusk
gentle flame
#

So if you have flurry maxed out, you'd actually lose dps because you couldn't take advantage of it

ionic tusk
#

I swear there was a mod that allowed one to disable bleed particles without impacting any other particles but I can't find it

I've been having fps trouble with some pub lobbies that is clearly linked with bleed builds (usually shredder nades or the ogyrn charge hitting a ton of elites at once which continue to bleed while everything else is bleeding)
I think it's because bleed stacks in intensity which creates even more particles per enemy
I might go to the modder server and request a mod to just cap the bleed stack fx

#

anyone else notice this? 🤔
it could also just be more general fx spam
fire + bleed + smite all at once

fierce marten
#

The one thing I'd want is to be able to change ground fire

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The friendly brighter flames zealot grenade isn't distinct enough from regular flamers hurt fire. The tox flamer being green is very clear.

ionic tusk
#

yeah I also agree but I'd prefer to change zealot fire instead
sadly aren't options to make it better really aside from maybe nurgle goo

#

🤔 honestly what I'd want is clearly distinct barrel fire, other fires (optional if tox and normal look different) and zealot fires

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because barrel fires are unique and damage hp directly which is turbo dangerous esp if you're running around at 10hp

fierce marten
#

Psykers I believe has blue

ionic tusk
#

yeah but apparently it works differently
and I believe it, it's not a ground fx

waxen patio
#

Psyker fire is like a blue-white (bright as hell and blinding)

ionic tusk
#

so trying to use it to replace zealot fire just doesn't display

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or some other weirdness

fierce marten
#

Zealot and psyker having blue would make it visually distinct as friendly

ionic tusk
#

yeah I agree

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barrel fire also needs to look different

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the difference between tox fire and scab fire is minimal compared to "oh you have 10hp and full toughness? you're down now"

#

granted I think barrels should just not work like that
they're deadly enough as is with instant death just add no ledgegrab

ionic tusk
#

I'm generally fine with everything on the screen flaming, bleeding, and with shock fx
it just makes hitting headshots difficult with the rapidly changing fps

marsh gyro
#

I say go Dodonpachi and make bad fire pink and good fire blue

ionic tusk
#

I believe modding textures is a whole can of worms so it might be difficult to get the zealot fires blue with a mod
and I don't think fatshark would ever do that

fierce marten
#

Fatshark said solo private lobbies with bots, 2 years ago...

ionic tusk
#

idk why they don't
maybe server concerns?
because while offline solo lobbies exist they allow cheats and thus would break progression more, so they'd have to make them online

fierce marten
#

The fire particles are apparently hell to change without rewriting a ton. Regular zealot flamer like tanks framerate of weaker PCs

ionic tusk
#

(the prologue is an example of an offline lobby without mods)

#

how big is the fatshark team for darktide
I legitimately can't tell if it's 100 people or 5 people

fierce marten
#

No clue, it seemed like an off hand comment they were going to add it but never did, as for why eh

ionic tusk
#

the way everyone talks about it I had assumed it was a promise
I personally would never play them because bots suck so bad

ionic tusk
fierce marten
#

Yea, if I had to guess it's to keep server load down.

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Cause bad coding napkin math, if 4 people have a lobby each that'd roughly 4 times the server load compared to 4 people in 1 lobby.

#

And I don't believe darktide does like WWZ blobing, they keep each enemy hit boxes pretty accurate no matter how dense.

marsh gyro
#

<@&1042950387478560878> Who wants to do chill Havoc progression for a bit this morning

ionic tusk
#

what havoc level are you working around?

marsh gyro
#

17

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I think I'll come back to it a bit later though, just developed a bit of background noise that'll get in the way of comms

ionic tusk
#

fair
was just checking, I'm not even sure if I'm free yet lol

sonic elbow
#

AHHH

#

I forgot that I'm supposed to refuse file validation if I have mods installed

marsh gyro
#

Do you gotta reinstall all the mods in that case?

sonic elbow
#

turns out I just had to run the .bat again

fierce marten
#

Yea it doesnt delete any mod files it just undoes the modloader

ionic tusk
#

yeah that was also a big scare for me the first time I accidentally did it
I think it only asks if mods aren't active? (ie after a patch before re-enabling)
it's probably safe because mods are in their own separate folder it knows not to touch

#

I make backups to my mods and settings every time I update them
but knowing me I'll just brick my computer entirely instead and not bother to recover anything 😆

fierce marten
#

I have a mod that backs up my mod settings lol

#

It is useful for day 1 patches when it breaks a mod but it will eventually get fixed so I don't have to redo settings

ionic tusk
#

if my hud settings get deleted and my manual backups don't work I'll be sad though 💀

fierce marten
#

So same i spent a day customizing my hud

ionic tusk
#

👀

#

this is some of mine (although a lot of elements don't show in the clip)

fierce marten
#

These were old ones of mines, it's generally the same

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Teammates on the side with color codes HP based on how much they have

ionic tusk
#

mine is heavily influenced by planetside2's centralized vitals

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hence the vital hud elements actually being around the crosshair

fierce marten
#

Centralized HUDs are so good

#

Being able to customize the hud to this degree to how it makes sense to me is such a huge QoL I never thought I needed

ionic tusk
#

knowing your hp without having to look away from what you're shooting at would probably be even more useful in other games

ionic tusk
fierce marten
#

There's some that are nice to haves and Somes that are like, game breakers

ionic tusk
#

two main categories:

  • I never knew I needed this to exist
  • everyone wants this to exist but for some reason it's still mod only
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for example having the default chat not be mourningstar so you don't accidentally send to it due to a last second chat switch

fierce marten
#

Like sprint, I'm a big fan of the sprint option in apex where iirc you press sprint and you continue to sprint without needing to hold it down but you could if you want but when you stop moving forward then you go normally

ionic tusk
#

I recently got a mod that lets you filter items by the one you're sacrificing for
I have yet to use it tho due to the game saying the shrine is bugged

ionic tusk
fierce marten
#

Yea I am using that

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I lookef at the entire mod nexus like once a month for darktide

ionic tusk
#

I still stim my ds4 slides lmao
I think something about the sequence breaks it but having shift in the sequence just makes it feel more clicky

#

people probably assume I'm using a macro at the start of missions

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before they realize the stabs are variable length and start and stop randomly over time

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(also I mess up the inputs and start teabagging accidentally a lot)

ionic tusk
# fierce marten

is the diamond in the middle the crosshair? I ask because it doesn't seem to be centered vertically

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oh there's a red dot in the actual middle
what's the diamond in the health then?

fierce marten
#

The diamond is my ability cool down

ionic tusk
#

ooo

fierce marten
#

It's right under my cross hair cause that's on the edge of where my focus is on the actual cross hair center

#

It turns white when it's ready

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And turns black when used and gets slightly brighter dark gray until it's white

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So I can visually clearly tell by color it's ready vs on CD

marsh gyro
#

That's pretty neat

ionic tusk
#

I think I'd want a bar for tracking but the colors serve the same purpose 🤔
I've gotten decently good at hearing when it's ready by the default sound cue

fierce marten
#

HP and Toughness similar, bright blue means it's at 100%, when it is anything less than 100% it turns dark purple so I know that if I'm hit I will take HP damage vs bright blue

#

Pink for gold toughness

ionic tusk
#

also I'm gonna get on now, would anyone want to do (event) aurics?
(a bit of warning though, I don't use a mic and am not used to casual vc + darktide)

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more complete hud photo

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marsh gyro
ionic tusk
#

feel free to do callouts if that's what you normally do!

fierce marten
drowsy tusk
#

<@&1042950387478560878> tide tide

ionic tusk
fierce marten
#

Oh that there's one for that but it's finnicky

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Like crit chance mod is tied to the weapon selection in bottom right.

ionic tusk
#

the left round thing is the hp for like, combat use
the bottom left is hp for deciding who gets the med station

split mantleBOT
ionic tusk
#

I need to find a mod that turns the stamina bar red when you're out
I never notice until a bit after I've been running around with no stamina 😔

fierce marten
#

StaminaVis?

#

I don't remember if red on out of effective dodges and stamina was built it or I edited that in

#

I modded "show remaining dodges" cause I was peeved it only turned red when you're out of effective dodges. So I modded the mod so that it is white at high dodges then yellow at 1 so I can clearly see the color change even if I'm not focused on it as a sign I got dodge left before I'm out so clear some space for me to not dodge for a moment and get it all back

warm vault
#

She darks on my tide til she strike missions

worldly talon
ionic tusk
ionic tusk
#

🤔 I think mine only shows red once you're at the cap for "it can't get any worse than this", I should check my configuration

fierce marten
#

Yea thats the default, i just opened it in vscode

ionic tusk
#

honestly even if ds4 gets nerfed into the ground I'll probably still use it

other weapons feel like I need to memorize a set of flowcharts to reliably hit enemies due to combos

heavy geyser
#

There's versions of a lot of weapons that are very simple

#

Heavy chops, light sweeps or vice versa

#

The complicated combo ones are I think the minority.

ionic tusk
#

wheras ds4 the only combo element is the side the attack is coming from, which rarely makes a huge deal

ionic tusk
# heavy geyser The complicated combo ones are I think the minority.

yeah I guess part of it is you can't change marks to test stuff until you sink time into a weapon (or use the clunky and apparently crashing sacrifice system)
and the information in game doesn't actually convey how the attack is gonna operate, just the damage and rough typing

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but even weapons that are always overheads feel much less controlable than always stabs

heavy geyser
#

You can find other marks in brunts, I think, or get them as emperor gifts

#

I've had a few post-update that came in the lv10 mark

ionic tusk
#

yeah marks are random
it's more lack of ability to easily change them to try it out until later
I can test two actually different swords, but if one has bad stats and the other has good stats, it'll be a false comparison

#

although I guess that does let me just discard weird combos outright easier?

#

bleh I also need to manually unfuck my inventory and clear out all the random bad max stats rewards I have of weapons I've already used

#

just compunding layers of jank ig

ionic tusk
#

wait so
health damage reduction is just all damage reduction?

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#

okay this effects the exact opposite things I thought it did

... assuming this guide is right, but I trust it way more than I trust the game text <.<

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sonic elbow
ionic tusk
#

probably unintentionally
... but that means ogyrn is probably tankier than intended lmao

brazen fossil
ionic tusk
#

woe, knowledge be upon ye

#

also has links at the top for the other classes, blessings, and general game mechanics

#

like, apparently, tox flamers don't damage through toughness when they explode? which makes me think scab bombers mistakenly just re-used the barrel code for explosion

brazen fossil
#

Thanks!

ionic tusk
#

and med stims actually last 8 seconds and will keep healing during that duration if you couldn't be healed due to hitting your max at any point in the heal

#

and also being forced to remember 'mutant damage' is a stat, that's even more useless than 'pox hound damage'

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oh and how 'coherency regen' on curios impacts the delay, but 'stamina regen' on curios doesn't

fierce marten
#

Gotta love the Ogrynomicon

brazen fossil
#

Huh I need to fix my ogryn slightly it would seem

marsh gyro
brazen fossil
#

Question

#

Anyone tried to make a toughness Regen ogryn?, it seems rather pointless as the toughness Regen from coherence is kinda shit

sonic elbow
#

the only way for that to make sense would be a gunlugger probably

brazen fossil
#

Yeah

#

But in that case I'd rather just, focus on the gun talents lol

sonic elbow
#

my early builds were that because I didn't know ogryn's tree lies and means toughness like that

#

avoiding the nodes completely gave me much better results

brazen fossil
#

Yeah

marsh gyro
#

Grenade boxes, Slam, Soften them Up, both 25 toughness nodes up top, taunt, Bonebreaker Aura, left side of bottom middle tree, all 4 feel no pain nodes

#

Steady Grip and both toughness on melee nodes mean you have about 170 toughness and get about 40 of it back at a time, I use heavy stubber and pickaxe

brazen fossil
#

Interesting

ionic tusk
marsh gyro
#

I like to run it with Thunderous / Confident Strike melees to set up the team like Bully Clubs or Pickaxes

ionic tusk
#

the problem is it's still useless (in combat mostly) for your allies

brazen fossil
#

My auric build is middle plus left, focusing on as much toughness and as much damage reduction. 240 toughness, toughness on heavy hits, bleed on heavy, damage reduction from bleeding, taunts, skab shield

ionic tusk
marsh gyro
#

Normally I grab either melee regen or the gun regen, not both, which is why it stood out to me

ionic tusk
#

most builds that are decent have a way to get large chunks of toughness back on demand

#

although how hard the condition is to achieve varies

ionic tusk
brazen fossil
#

Thinking about it, I can actually switch back to the box now since ogryn now has a good ranged option!

ionic tusk
#

ogyrn has several good ranged options I think? some are just very specialized

#

this is said from a third person perspective though

marsh gyro
#

Before the heavy Stubber your anti-gunner or anti-sniper option was the rock or possibly a Rumbler

ionic tusk
#

and usually they absolutely trash the ammo economy when they do so

brazen fossil
#

That's even more toughness!

marsh gyro
#

Kickback can OHKO a sniper up to about 35 meters but sometimes the Sniper is 50-70 meters away

brazen fossil
#

Yeah

ionic tusk
marsh gyro
#

Rumbler nades only have a 50m fuse was the limiter

brazen fossil
ionic tusk
#

(I am also biased because I love shooting specialists so if other players hordeclear that means more specialist shooting for me)

marsh gyro
ionic tusk
#

or bolt pistol
or vigilant autogun

#

those are my 3 favorite guns rn

#

I workshopped my vet build a bit
less memey and more actually good now

marsh gyro
#

Vigilant autoguns are so good right now

ionic tusk
#

unfortunately shredder nades tank my fps so my actual combat abilities remain about the same

sonic elbow
#

rumbler and kickback are elevated to divine status if you have a survivalist vet in your team

#

because their ammo is so low that you will always round to getting 1 back

marsh gyro
sonic elbow
#

ah

marsh gyro
#

The change was done exactly for that reason though, it used to always round up

sonic elbow
#

I still never managed to run out so I didn't pay close attention

ionic tusk
#

glad to hear it's proc based
I was really worried it would be % chance lmao
but knowing darktide it probably just uses floats/doubles in the backend anyways

marsh gyro
#

yeah it does have several calls to math.huge() for big numbers

ionic tusk
#

that is probably why it lags so much

sonic elbow
#

darktide has chance based talents that I mostly tolerate, to my surprise

ionic tusk
#

demo team is agony

#

you kill an entire crusher pack and get 1 back at the end

#

and then you kill 3 gunners and get 2 back

marsh gyro
#

Demo team is good for the smokes though

ionic tusk
#

demo team is just Good

#

but it's frustrating

#

either there's a billion elites and you roll the chances a lot or stuff isn't really that challenging (at least longterm)

sonic elbow
#

demo team is hard carried by vet nades being so good that any amount of them at any time is always nice

ionic tusk
#

eh
grenades in general are just good

sonic elbow
#

well

ionic tusk
#

demo team used to restore frag bomb iirc

sonic elbow
#

I meant shredders specifically

#

but

ionic tusk
#

kraks are also good! shredders are just better

#

I have demo/krak build larping as a 'boomkinesis' psyker

#

however I think it's stronger than the psykers (my own) I'm larping as due to a +30% weakspot damage node

sonic elbow
#

the problem with kraks is that they kinda strongly suggest pairing a medium enemy gun with them

#

which is a lot less applicable than shredders and a BFG

marsh gyro
#

2 Kraks are fun and games until 6 crushers and 6 bulwarks all show up and then it's like "dang wish I had a 3rd krak"

ionic tusk
#

just stab them

#

that's what I usually do lmao

#

if I have shredders half the time I'm better off just stabbing them without the bleed tanking my fps

#

bulwarks does mess it up tho

#

but kraks do have a bit of aoe

#

so I delay throwing them to try to kill the bulwarks which are usually a bit faster but come in waves due to enemy placement

#

side note I'm still looking for a mod that removes bleed particles
nexus search is awful and only seems to search names

sonic elbow
#

the aoe works out a lot more often than it ought because bulwarks love to slide through each other

ionic tusk
#

yeah

sonic elbow
#

if they behaved normally you'd sometimes get two at most

#

but they wanna meld

#

hyperdense bulwark time

ionic tusk
#

the phalanx

#

side note another problem I have with some weapons (cough cough blaze force greatsword while sprinting) is that they cover a significant portion of the screen

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meanwhile, dueling sword and knife are great for avoiding that
ds4 just has every qol advantage on top of cracked stats

sonic elbow
#

george silver was right

ionic tusk
#

whomst

sonic elbow
#

a real life fencing master who wrote a book that's one uninterrupted scrubquote about how rapiers and thrusting swords in general are ruining the good and manly tradition of swordfighting

#

because they're too good

ionic tusk
#

lmao

#

pov: guy just wants to do what I did before I used ds4 and light tac axe spam someone in plate armor until they die to concussions

sonic elbow
#

"in this book, I, a cutting sword master, will outline how to outsmart and defeat the rapier scrubs
step 1: you won't"

ionic tusk
#

lmao

#

I really saw a guide that tries to teach people how to grief players the guide writer considered "good" weapons
and I'm mad steam showed me it lmao

ionic tusk
#

and the two major things they explained why they griefed over because I just stopped skimming were:

  • dueling sword
  • bubble psyker
#

truly

#

the internet is a terrible place

#

same vibes

sonic elbow
#

don't be rude to bubble psykers

#

they just got to enjoy their day in the spotlight

ionic tusk
#

I got as far as them explaining how to use stealth to instagib teammates by exploiting gunners before I got mad and stopped reading 😔

regal pendant
regal pendant
#

...also, I seem to be turning into floor

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Somewhat suboptimal I fear

sonic elbow
#

bardin POV

regal pendant
#

The secret fifth class is unlocked

#

The Squats

#

...honestly I'd kill to play as a Squat

#

I mean we already have Ogryns

fierce marten
#

The secret ratling class

#

It would be funny if vet was a ratling, Ogyrn being the biggest melee line of sight block and a short sniper that can't see over shoulders.

#

It would not be fun to play as fun but it would be fun to see

ionic tusk
#

make ogyrn's legs very forgiving for shooting through them xd

#

(I doubt this would help)

regal pendant
#

I think High Intensity is bugged again

#

I'm getting waves that are somehow worse than Auric

#

Jesus motherfuck that was awful

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I did get like five penances from that though

#

So it was ultimately pretty worth it in the end

ionic tusk
marsh gyro
#

Any time the kill count hits near 4,000 that's a rowdy run

ionic tusk
#

which is why I don't do quickplay on the normal board for heresy and damnation

#

since there's a chance you just get an auric mission except the unfortunate souls you're with are level 12

#

even likely since those missions churn out people who die so are more likely to have spots free to slot you into

regal pendant
#

Agh, fuck, sorry

#

Didn't realize you don't like reply pings

ionic tusk
#

there's four main difficulty levels:
hi intensity
hi intensity + random modifiers
hi shock
hi shock but the director hates you

regal pendant
#

Thank god for vets that run that one long-range revive perk

ionic tusk
#

how many specialists? that's the only number I pay attention to so my only frame of reference lmao

regal pendant
#

It was High Intensity Shock Troop

ionic tusk
#

ah console so no scoreboard ig

regal pendant
#

So a fucking lot

ionic tusk
regal pendant
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Genuinely got to a point of unplayability, I have no idea how I managed

ionic tusk
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the hardest one

mortal crystal
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Hi-Int Shock Troop is intense yeah. And yes, Auric is just "this is a board that is literally only hi-int 4s and 5s"

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There is no other hidden modifier

ionic tusk
regal pendant
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Because I'd go to do anything and the AI director would shit out horde and horde and horde and horde without actually spawning any hordes

ionic tusk
marsh gyro
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Hi Intensity Shock Troop is why I want sound mods to exist so I can replace the mutant rrrrrraaaggghhhhrrr noise

regal pendant
#

God yeah

ionic tusk
#

there are some!

regal pendant
#

I need to get some mods that eliminate the screech that plays when you hit high Peril too

ionic tusk
#

I have a mod to replace the spot sound with the 'look there' sound for similar reasons

regal pendant
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It's annoying building it only for the game to scream in my ear about it

ionic tusk
regal pendant
#

Need to get the weapon customization mods too tbh

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They look quite fun

ionic tusk
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are you on console or pc?

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because only pc can mod

regal pendant
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PC, thankfully

ionic tusk
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fatshark does not have the clout or the ability to sway console manufacturers the way Bethesda did lol

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or even the desire I bet

regal pendant
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I know console can't mod because every fucking console producer shits their pants at the thought of anyone tampering with their software in any way at all

ionic tusk
#

yeah there's a lot of weird QA checks also
because stability is the last thing they have going for them

regal pendant
#

Deadass how it felt

ionic tusk
#

did you have much space-generation?

regal pendant
#

Space generation?

ionic tusk
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like low cooldown vet shout, zealot chorus, most ogyrn weapons

regal pendant
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Oh, yeah, psi greatsword shove

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Saved me a good few times, that shove is nasty

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And Electrokinesis too

ionic tusk
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there's a mod to make you able to see when you use it

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(the fx on it are really bad and obscuring imo base)

regal pendant
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Eh, they've never really bothered me much

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...honestly, I kinda feel like Electrokinesis is like

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TOO good

ionic tusk
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maybe it's just me holding blocks while waiting for a shove

ionic tusk
regal pendant
#

Smite, yeah

ionic tusk
#

hm

regal pendant
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Cause Assail is nice until anything more armored than a dreg shows up and Brain Burst is incredibly slow for not really enough payoff

ionic tusk
#

it's nice but

marsh gyro
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It's decent - good damage and slow so takes a moment to know when to use weapons

ionic tusk
regal pendant
#

Meanwhile with Smite you can hold an entire horde in place and shove em back for breathing room

ionic tusk
#

it's good but really unintiutive

regal pendant
#

Aye

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My issue is, it takes really long to charge for damage that feels somewhat subpar for how long you spend sitting in place charging it

ionic tusk
regal pendant
#

Yeah true

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Or Voidblast to a lesser degree

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Love my Voidblast staff, combination sniper and horde clear

ionic tusk
regal pendant
#

...whar

ionic tusk
#

and I think the intent is using one of two charge boosting nodes

regal pendant
#

Chrissakes I've been using it wrong this whole time

ionic tusk
regal pendant
#

I'll go and give it another go then

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Run something like the Purgation stave and see how I like it

ionic tusk
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it's still not super amazing without support but the ultimate role is 'kill snipers and elites at range while you have purge staff and melt everything'

marsh gyro
#

Enhanced Psionics Brain Burst is super fast yeah

ionic tusk
marsh gyro
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Take the guaranteed charge on elite kill and Ragers HATE this one weird trick

ionic tusk
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(the other empowered psionics node is a trap node as far as I'm concerned)

regal pendant
# regal pendant TOO good

Honestly that's my big issue with Psyker in general, half of their kit is garbage and the other half trivializes the game if you know what you're doing

ionic tusk
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eh there's a lot of game to trivilize

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and the other classes are better at different aspects

regal pendant
#

Like, I love the force greatsword, but it's stupid how powerful it is, even a non-charged psi slice deals fuckoff massive stagger to a lot of enemies

ionic tusk
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like not dying

regal pendant
#

Yeah true

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Definitely the big balancing factor of Psyker is fragility

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There's the one perk that gives like 33% toughness DR depending on your peril, but playing with high Peril is really fucking risky

ionic tusk
regal pendant
#

Yeah, admittedly I'm probably overreacting

ionic tusk
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purge staff is considered the best weapon in the game right now I think though

regal pendant
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Tbf keeping allies in coherency is kinda hard, so it has that balancing for it lmao

frigid saffron
#

Oh shit darktide channel I didn't know this existed

ionic tusk
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and dueling sword the best melee weapon? (but mostly on zealot and veteran which get weakspot damage nodes)

regal pendant
#

Welcome, welcome

marsh gyro
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Blaze Away / Penetrating Flame on the staff goes wild

ionic tusk
regal pendant
#

Dueling sword has always been stupidly good

frigid saffron
#

Finally people to play havoc with

ionic tusk
frigid saffron
regal pendant
#

True

ionic tusk
frigid saffron
#

Purloin Providence

ionic tusk
#

my general opinion is also that other weapons kinda suck from a qol standpoint

regal pendant
ionic tusk
regal pendant
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Zealot just torqued its power through the fucking roof

frigid saffron
#

This message brought to you by a Gunker lover

ionic tusk
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vet and zealot can do it without a keystone though
so they have a fully online support build and also damage

marsh gyro
frigid saffron
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Fair but at the same time it is such an easy keystone to turn in

ionic tusk
regal pendant
#

Yeah true

waxen patio
ionic tusk
regal pendant
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It's just Psyker is kind of inherently more backliner

frigid saffron
#

Vet has the whole duel welding with weapon spec spam

frigid saffron
ionic tusk
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I played with and without that
vet keystones aren't as needed as you'd think

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because there's so many other juicy nodes you can get

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other classes typically feel like one tree is better than the others

regal pendant
marsh gyro
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I like Vet keystones for stamina regen

frigid saffron
ionic tusk
#

I think what truly breaks ds4 in half is zealot's fury

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and the combo with the 'quicker cooldown on crit'

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ds4 being a finesse weapon does really good with crits
and hitting a lot means you'll get more crits for the talent

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without really sacrificing elite/special killing speed like you might with other weapons

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and this makes chorus really broken since you cheat the cooldown and it is entirely balanced around that

regal pendant
#

Aye

ionic tusk
#

and chorus is also really broken because havoc is really dumb with how the modifiers work

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in that the negative toughness modifiers are flat not percentile (health is percent based)

so you get 100% of your normal bonus toughness in a mode designed around lower toughness

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(same reason survivalist is so insane in havoc- it isn't impacted afaik)

frigid saffron
ionic tusk
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the small blessing is that the broken things are support abilities so the game is (probably accidentally) encouraging more support builds

frigid saffron
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Frontline psykers be winning /lh

regal pendant
#

Real

ionic tusk
regal pendant
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I play a melee Psyker and it's so good

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It's so fucking good

frigid saffron
ionic tusk
frigid saffron
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Tbf gold toughness has its own problems but yeah support being good is healthy

cloud hazel
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i prefer tanking with gold toughness and/or busted cc to just straight up noninteraction with invis

ionic tusk
cloud hazel
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high end destiny meta just being chain invis for like six years was bedge

ionic tusk
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like the vet node to revive has two downsides and the one to add gold toughness doesn't have any downsides even though it's just stronger if no downsides were on either

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(which is why that node is a trap node)

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I think the vet gold toughess node should have the time downside of the revive node
and chorus should have halved effect from all cooldown reducing talents and effects

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or maybe something more severe idk
gold toughness is strong and looking at the abilities it doesn't look like you're intended to get near 100% uptime on it with one person but you realisticly can if you try for it

frigid saffron
ionic tusk
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honestly I think they both need support buffs

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stealth vet is the least seen ability in the game for me also

frigid saffron
#

Rather have more incentive to play other things than

STAND UP AND FIGHT
FOR CADIA
PUT THE KARKIN BOOT IN

all the time

ionic tusk
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executioners stance I see a tad more

marsh gyro
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Stance should give all guns Showstopper

ionic tusk
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I'd like it if the exe stance 'illuminate to allies' was either basekit or had the extra benefit of counting as you killing them if you helped/maybe always

frigid saffron
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I mean I think it's on a fine place balance wise but yeah could stand to be picked more

I think stealth being picked least is just from the absolute dog water that that side of the tree is other than weapon spec

ionic tusk
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ehhh

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team ambulance is also not really a good role

frigid saffron
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Ik but it's something other than "this is also big damage"

ionic tusk
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zealot can do it just as good 70% of the time

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and I do solo chorus revives fairly often

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and solo shout revives

frigid saffron
#

True

ionic tusk
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and kinetic deflection revives

fierce marten
ionic tusk
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I think another big problem is just getting to them through all the horde

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which only shout and chorus can really deal with

frigid saffron
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I mean it's a different use case

Not "fuck this guy is swarmed" but

"fuck this guy went too far ahead"

ionic tusk
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my idea for stealth vet is having it also supress any enemy shooting at you at the start of it

that (and this is also for the zealot), have ranged enemies still target you for half the duration but make you invulnerable to ranged attacks so you draw fire better

spiral badger
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stealth vet is designed to flank and murder shooters specifically

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of all types

ionic tusk
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the problem is that you can do that without an ability 80% of the time unless in havoc

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and in havoc you're better off helping your team directly

spiral badger
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it can be the ambulance but the increased length and the power of the nodes are to make you basically invisible to shooters for a significant period of time

ionic tusk
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hell I do it with shout and chorus
just run at them and use it

regal pendant
spiral badger
#

it's very powerful in havoc because of the reduced threat node

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giving you a long period to just slap entire packs of shooters around

ionic tusk
frigid saffron
#

Again yeah why shout is everywhere because it's the most flexible vet power

regal pendant
#

Aye

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Shout is great

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Especially enjoy it on my Melee/CQC Vet

frigid saffron
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I mean yeah it's good I wish the other options had a fighting chance with it

marsh gyro
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Ammo scarcity on Havoc is where right side melee bumps give a great boon to Vet

spiral badger
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like shout is definitely the most powerful but stealth is very good too

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exe stance is the one that just doesn't work

ionic tusk
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left side also has melee! (weakspot damage)

frigid saffron
#

Also nice 1 good deed icon

marsh gyro
ionic tusk
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I do have a question about that

frigid saffron
spiral badger
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exec stance would be good if it did something with ammo

ionic tusk
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ds4 has a finesse damage modifer of like, 2.4x

spiral badger
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like it used to

ionic tusk
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does weakspot damage apply to the modifer (over 100%) or the damage, or the increase?

spiral badger
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yes, you can tune a DS to 1-shot crushers with vet using the bonuses from the tree + thrust + carapace

ionic tusk
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because if I'm understanding the math

spiral badger
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i don't know the exact math

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but you can do it

marsh gyro
spiral badger
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i operate on breakpoints more than numbers

ionic tusk
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+30% weakspot damage on something with less than 100% bonus is less than +30%
but ds4 has more than 100% bonus

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so does that mean it's more potent than a +30% increase in damage?

ionic tusk
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I hate fatshark's mechanic text, that's even different than anything I thought of videogames

marsh gyro
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Finesse damage is weird because its modifier affects both weak spots then again on crits

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So weak spot crits double dip

ionic tusk
#

broke: it's +30% damage
woke: it's +30% bonus damage applied to your weakspot damage increase
bespoke: it's +30% weakspot modifier directly

ionic tusk
marsh gyro
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Weak spot damage buffs like the weapon perk only affect the bonus damage to the weak spot so while they sound less than you want, on some guns like Helbores they're still worth stacking

ionic tusk
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specificly I'm asking about Precision Strikes and Duellist [sic]

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the former says '+30% Weak Spot Damage'
the latter says 'Weakspot & Critical Hit'

marsh gyro
regal pendant
#

What blessings do y'all recommend running on an Inferno staff?

frigid saffron
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I mean warp nexus is a given

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warp nexus blaze away is the boring (if practical) answer

waxen patio
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Warp nexus + blaze away is the ideal (if boring). I used to run nexus + whatever the charge time reduction is

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Warp nexus is obvious because crits with inferno staff apply 2x fire procs instead of just 1. Blaze away gives you stacking brittleness effects that help you roast through anything and everything

marsh gyro
sonic elbow
#

does it happen to stack with normal brittleness?

marsh gyro
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Yeah normal brittleness is 40%, penetrating flame is a separate 20% additive, veteran brittleness on melee crit is another 20% additive, so you can hit 80% brittleness if a team works together

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Thunderous /shred crit melee on a right side Veteran (like on a Rashad combat axe) is the fastest way to 60% brittleness

sonic elbow
#

hmm

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I assume the most common weapons run into diminishing returns before 80

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but potentially very funny for melee slappers and ranged plinkers

marsh gyro
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Any rending / brittleness that gets your armor damage over 100% gets converted to a damage bonus at a 25% ratio so if you were already doing 100% damage to unyielding for example, then 80% brittleness is another 20% damage

regal pendant
#

Do the Brittleness stacks match the damage bonus from Blaze Away?

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Like, would stripping armor give an equivalent boost to your DPS as a straight damage boost?

marsh gyro
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If you do 100 damage base and 80% to flak, 140% strength from Blaze Away 4 five stacks is 112 damage and 20% brittleness from Penetrating Flame is 100 damage and if you have both then it's 140 damage for a functional 25% bump

regal pendant
#

So it'd be largely equivalent then

regal pendant
#

Are any of the Soulblaze augments worth taking?

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They mostly seem like means of convenience for Souldrinker

sonic elbow
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souldrinker and the warp charges soulblaze node are cracked so they're worth for that

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otherwise ehh

ionic tusk
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wildfire (spread up to 4 stacks on soulblaze kill) is limited by only spreading up to the amount and across several enemies
so it quickly fizzles into nothing, it often isn't enough spread to kill even if they all spread to the same target (the cap is 4 in such a case, even with prior stacks on them)
perilous combustion (spread 3 stacks on elite kill) apparently doesn't trigger on deaths via soulblaze but does spread 3 to all in range

regal pendant
#

So ultimately not really worth it

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Especially when you can just wave your hand for half a second and ignite like half a horde

regal pendant
#

Ah, the one that gives a warp charge when you kill someone on soulfire

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Worth looking into... Warp Charges seems like a decent alternative to Disrupt Destiny

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I wouldn't get as much of a boost from it though, or the Toughness regeneration

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It would last me quite a bit longer though

waxen patio
#

warp charges is a good pair for high enemy volume inferno staff stuff since you'll get PLENTY of warp charges by torching crowds

ionic tusk
#

warp charges give you a very peculiar relationship with your ability, since casting it spends all of them your dps drops and thus you might feel discouraged to use it
however if you can get the back fast it lets you spam abilities to an absurd degree as well as having a huge damage boost. and even if you can't, just having your ability off cooldown much faster once can also be significant (ie replacing a bubble being torn down by gunners)

ionic tusk
#

it's also, not awful so if you have no better options immediately available

regal pendant
#

Given how much horde clear Psyker gets though, you're better off with literally anything else though

ionic tusk
#

yeah for optimal builds
however you can build a psyker with bad hordeclear that focuses on elites and specials (I do this because I prefer fighting those enemies)

#

I don't use the talent but now I'm considering it 🤔

fierce marten
#

Soul drinker is big tax but it's nearly constant toughness regeneration with spreading soulfire

regal pendant
#

Tried using Scrier's Gaze

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Think I used it wrong

#

How are you supposed to use it?

ionic tusk
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I am not an avid scrier's gaze user, but I believe the intended loop is having a bunch of automatic quell talents to keep it going for extended periods while killing stuff
ie by crack of bone + blaze force broadsword with quell on hit in a giant horde of enemies

mortal crystal
#

Yeah, you want to use guns with it as well

regal pendant
#

Hm

mortal crystal
#

you can use staffs ofc

regal pendant
#

I prefer staves

mortal crystal
#

but it's quite the balancing act

regal pendant
#

Maybe I should stick to the bubble

mortal crystal
#

tho you can grab the "don't blow up" node IIRC

regal pendant
#

...though I did vaguely want to try a revolver psyker, if nothing else than because the new psyker coat + rogue trader hat looks like a cowpoke

waxen patio
#

Warp Unbound can be neat though kinda defeats the point of scrier's if you just instantly max out.

regal pendant
#

Yeah that was my biggest issue with Scrier's

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I just felt like I'd get to use it for a few seconds and then "oh yeah your peril is maxed out now"

drowsy vine
#

I mean there's ways around that, is the point

waxen patio
#

try like

  • force greatsword, run and melee psyker until peril and then use special
  • vraks infantry autogun, crit/weakspot spec and just lay on the trigger during scrier's
  • run disrupt destiny and keep popping targets to stack even more Precision bonus on top of scrier's
#

And like a 1-point smite for blitz just as backup pause button

regal pendant
#

Hm, maybe

#

I'll give it a spin and see if I like it

waxen patio
#

My experience was like: run around killing DD targets until a big crowd or fight happened, pop scrier's as a massive damage/durability stim. Use greatsword for mulching hordes and mixed packs, autogun weakspot hits to really focus big things like monstrosities.

sonic elbow
#

I had some results with a build mixing scryer's gaze melee to clear space and super empowered brain burst during warp unbound

waxen patio
#

Fighting a horde with greatsword until gaze caps out and then immediately using the cleave special (warp unbound to not pop) with maxed out peril (for the peril = bonus damage node) is fun

#

Or without warp unbound you get to 100% and quell tap then special

fierce marten
#

You should be able to keep gaze going for as long as there's enemies to kill whether Melee or gun

#

I find gun easier because with Melee you often have to close gaps and it could be the difference between your gaze ending or not, whereas gun it's just point and click

#

Melee there's a talent to quell 5% on Melee weakspot kill so like slashing at a horde you can easily do 20% per swing.
Ranged there's quell 4%on critical hits combined with crit with peril talent makes rapid fire weapons like the racon lasgun quell very fast

mortal crystal
#

Side note, if you pick up the toughness on quell node you are going to be surprisingly tanky.

marsh gyro
#

There's two schools of thought on Scrier's - 1) ride it as long as you can under 100% through quelling, or 2) speed run 100% and Warp Unbound and enjoy max peril bonuses like Warp Nexus blessing and the 20% damage on peril node

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Option #2 is real powerful on like a surge blessing surge staff M1 spam crit build

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I like #1 with charged voidblast or lightning staff because you can keep Scrier's speed bonus for a minute straight and build warp charges

brazen fossil
#

I wonder if it would work with smite 🤔

sonic elbow
#

it do

#

I ran that before as a joke

brazen fossil
#

Me on my way to auric maelstrom

sonic elbow
#

10 seconds of UNLIMITED POWER!!! was... on one had several times it let me nullify an elite/specialist conga line about to ruin our day

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on the other, 10 seconds of max power staff attacks would've let me just kill them

#

very funny on hound pack modifier though

ionic tusk
#

I got flamed in a havoc lobby for bringing a ds4 zealot
it was a very surreal experience

#

they kept saying it sucked because it had no cleave

brazen fossil
#

Ah

#

The classic mate player

ionic tusk
#

and were insisting I should be using relic sword because they were worried I wouldn't be able to kill the armored stuff

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they also insisted ogyrn was important for 'ranked' and that everyone needed to do their part

#

it was just. getting flamed for essentially not being meta enough when I was using the meta slave build and they were using a bunch of trap mechanics

brazen fossil
#

Remember

ionic tusk
#

I am not sure how to process this 🥴

brazen fossil
#

Meta slaving just means copying the top rated build online

#

Not actually know why it's good or how to use it

ionic tusk
#

I did that and then added some crutches

brazen fossil
#

I mean them

#

Not you

ionic tusk
#

however I didn't look up why it's good I just played a bunch of aurics to learn

#

they didn't have a meta build was the thing
it was kinda Just Bad

brazen fossil
#

I'm talking about their belief in "what's good"

ionic tusk
#

and they felt the need to go out of their way to harass me for not using the melee weapon they wanted me to use

brazen fossil
#

Yeah sometimes it's that way

#

I've had it happen several times

regal pendant
#

Did you do better than them

brazen fossil
#

Yeah

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With like one notable exception

#

Where bro talked shit but also carried really hard

regal pendant
#

Oh no I was asking Dragon if she did better

ionic tusk
#

yeah

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I actually killed the most things that weren't normal enemies (ie highest elite and specialist, which they were concerned the team would have trouble with), they killed the most mooks (which if they didn't, something would be very wrong considering purg staff)
we died when two people (including them) went down in a very short timeframe and then me and another player struggled on for a bit

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but even after when I asked if they saw why dueling sword was op they were like 'no you should have been running relic blade, if the ogyrn and the veteran know what they're doing and the zealot runs cleave ranked is fine'

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tbf I didn't have the flamer as my gun (so not full meta) but considering we did actually have an ogyrn and a purg staff psyker
I think that was covered

#

it was only like a havoc 24

#

the surrealest bit is they were running crystalline will and a wound curio (ie the 'explode and don't go down but also don't regain hp' if you blow yourself up)

#

and smite purg staff blaze force greatsword ig?

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I guess they just really overvauled cleave and didn't understand weapons that are good at killing elites and specials might not have equal cleave to hordeclear weapons, because they did express worry over killing those things

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🤔idk
just trying to process what would lead someone to behave like that

sonic elbow
#

the top ranked build for zealot on gameslantern is real bad

ionic tusk
#

which one is it

#

is it the 3 health curios one

sonic elbow
#

yeah

ionic tusk
#

it looks unoptimized as hell

#

but it has enough god nodes to not be like, awful

#

I can definitely see 3 health curios being a funny meme with until death + holy revenant

#

I'm not sure I've seen someone use the braced autogun but then again I haven't seen anyone use the vigilant autogun and I love that thing

sonic elbow
#

braced autogun has more of a following

ionic tusk
#

🤔 on psyker right?

sonic elbow
#

in general

#

probably the most out of the autogun familly with shredder cousin

ionic tusk
#

I just remember trying to shoot snipers with it and having funny results
but I guess the node to reduce spread on dodge handles that

# 

A: Still OP but its no longer in a class of its own thanks to the blessing redistributions of Unlocked and Loaded. It is however - totally and utterly broken if you really know how to play this game, as in dodge dancing around the map without switching to melee to block. Veteran and Zealot can literally grief a match if they are good enough with this weapon, denying all fun to anyone else as they will kill anything and everything all by themselves before anyone else has a chance.```
whuh
#

it's a revolver

sonic elbow
#

there was a period of time where the revolver was cracked and I agree with the sentiment that this was written by looking at patch notes instead of playstesting

ionic tusk
#

reloading it takes a while outside of weapon specialist and then you learn the ammo economy of it isn't built to be fired faster via reloading faster (with modern survivalist)

ionic tusk
#

the gun only gets like .6 bullets per survivalist proc now

sonic elbow
#

they should let us shoot decimal bullets

#

just kinda tossing a subcaliber round in there and jostling the gun until the hammer finds it

ionic tusk
# 

 

There is a skill threshold in this game where once you reach it, stacking Toughness no longer brings you any value, because eventually, the only time you will be out of Toughness is going to be from incidents that put your Health at risk no matter how much Toughness you have. You will become so good at avoiding damage from your own mistakes that you will reach a point where the overwhelming majority of damage you will take begins to come almost exclusively from sudden burst-damage incidents you had no control over. These incidents almost always immediately zero your Toughness no matter how much you have stacked```
insane line of logic
#

they have zero Toughness %
which is multiplicative with toughness from talents

#

🤔 I guess they're just talking about your teammates screwing you over? because usually the burst health damage things are the first things you learn to avoid

#

okay nah

sonic elbow
#

the warning was that there was a door

ionic tusk
#

people always stand next to spawn doors even when they hear a poxburster

sonic elbow
#

I don't exist in the same post code as doors ever since the incident

ionic tusk
#

lmao

#

occasionally you do get silent poxbursters but

#

if you have until death and the hp regen you probably just barely care as long as there's stuff around to get hp back when it triggers

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in auric at least

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also having more toughess will reduce the amount of times it gets smashed through by said random bullshit

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A: Take Toughness then, it is still good, but you really shouldn't take more than one. Just don't take Wounds or Stamina, those are garbage```
pain
stamina helps you block and push spam
blocking and push spamming solves a lot of bullshit
sonic elbow
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also I don't think getting thrown into a horde has ever been worse for me

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like