Take an automatic weapon of choice
#dark tidings (Darktide for people in the searchbar)
drowsy vine
regal pendant
GUH
drowsy vine
Charge gives ranged weapons 4 seconds of armour level reduction
regal pendant
Thank you Brunt
heavy geyser
The bolter is an automatic weapon
regal pendant
Most of the time
I do also wanna try getting the hang of Bolter again because it's THE Warhammer 40K Gun
You know?
drowsy vine
The bolter is an automatic weapon
It's also clunky as hell with horrendous reload speed
heavy geyser
Have you tried knifecanceling it yet?
regal pendant
Sainted Gunslinger
drowsy vine
And awful ammo econ
heavy geyser
It's also clunky as hell with horrendous reload speed
They make smaller guns for weaker soldiers
sainted gunslinger is super important
heavy geyser
but: if you pack blades of faith its throw animation is shorter than the weapon draw, and cancels it
regal pendant
sorry
heavy geyser
so you can quickdraw the bolter
you can do this mashing R on swap with your sainted gunslinger stacks too
its part of good bolter management, is picking good reload spots and having ways to mitigate the draw animation
it can be repurposed or largely skipped but its a bit of an investment to buy into it on your skill tree
mortal crystal
Eehhhhhhh probably not
Heavy Swords are lawnmowers
Any of the cleave stats being dump is probably a bad idea
regal pendant
True
Mostly asking cause I did see it was a 1 point difference between this sword and my 70 cleave sword
heavy geyser
Is the circle dot minigame puzzle new? We did Hab Dreyko with a new friend and it was vent purge and I was like, why aren't we poisoning the tree, so I got on the puzzle expecting to hammer out the text character puzzle but it was a new thing with dots that I'd never seen before.
I figured it out but like, has that always been there? I guess I'm always the hacker-coverer and not so much the hacker.
brave kestrel
Its new this update for that mission specifically
brazen fossil
Yo, anyone down for a couple games in 12 hours?
regal pendant
Doesn't the update drop on the 20th?
marsh gyro
When is the new weapon patch supposed to drop?
June 25th according to the teaser
heavy geyser
Thanks, that's a good ways off still.
regal pendant
...man
Mutants are either a complete non-threat or a run killer
Which is pretty funny ngl
mortal crystal
I find Mutants tend not to be the killer themself
But if left unchecked they're the catalyst
Because they cause a ton of chaos.
It's why I always try to have a Mutant killer in a loadout
split mantleBOT
we got power cycler 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
toxic sail
split mantleBOT
4*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the one that's like. one more than the base one
cyan depot
Honestly power cycler 2 would be even more impressive haha
regal pendant
I have given the throwing knives a second chance
I liek
They're hard as shit to aim but it's satisfying just popping some nuisance of a special
regal pendant
...I don't understand why you're present, who the fuck are you??
brazen fossil
They're hard as shit to aim but it's satisfying just popping some nuisance of a ...
The trick is to aim above the head a bit
regal pendant
There's also the issue of "I cannot actually aim them before throwing"
Like, I can't take a moment to just pull out a knife, manually aim, then throw
brazen fossil
I usually throw them out of stealth or when in melee
Gunners stand still so it's easier to hit them
And ragers run at you so it's easy to predict where they'll be
opaque crown
The instant throw is actually convenient to me, once I get used to it
drowsy tusk
i like the quick throw but sad i cant inspect them
brazen fossil
Anyone wanna play in 20 minutes?
split mantleBOT
sure
marsh gyro
Heck yeah Saturtide
split mantleBOT
computer is acting up, gonna need a second
split mantleBOT
drowsy tusk
Fancy
regal pendant
...is it just me or are the models for these two swords ever so slightly different
heavy geyser
you have a keychain on one
regal pendant
Besides that
Like, I swear to god the hilt on the Transcendent one is darker than the Profane one
And the little sun decal near the base of the blade is brighter
brave kestrel
different background color changes your perception of it
regal pendant
...true
split mantleBOT
we're like 99% certain that all those images are mass-rendered each time you open up your inventory, and that it's possible for it to mess up angle/lighting and the like when it does so
Wamly | Caliban's #1 Simp ↩️
you know how when you're inspecting a weapon and it just kind of slowly rocks back and forth? like it's doing that
regal pendant
Ah, I see
Makes sense
...god
Brunt
My dude
My home slice
GIVE ME A GOOD FUCKING STAT ROLL PLEASE
FOR THE LOVE OF THE EMPEROR
I just want a Mk. VI heavy sword with better stats than what I have
Why is that so hard to ask for you beautiful, wonderful, stupid man
...speaking of Brunt, is he a servitor or Adeptus Mechanicus...?
Cause like, design says servitor, but given he has some degree of personality and humanity on display, it kinda feels like he's AdMech
Oh wait that isn't Brunt that's a servitor lmao
marsh gyro
It takes about 20 brunt rolls to get a 370 or better I find, which tracks if it's a linear distribution between 300 and 380
regal pendant
I've been rolling for ages, I can't get anything better than what I have
In fairness, I do have a nice roll
I just want one with 80% damage
And good Cleave
And good First Target
marsh gyro
the one you've got is pretty much there already
heavy geyser
Brunt is an Ogryn
but we never see him.
which explains the Brunt Special Ogryn cudgels
regal pendant
the one you've got is pretty much there already
Yeah, true, I do kinda feel like I'm wasting money for nothing
heavy geyser
Do you know about the browser plugin?
regal pendant
The hwat
heavy geyser
To check your shops without booting up the game
regal pendant
Negatory, got a link?
heavy geyser
It's called Armoury Exchange on chrome or firefox plugins market
It adds the shops to your profile on https://atoma.cloud
After you log in from your login of choice
regal pendant
Hm
regal pendant
Ah, I see, sorry
heavy geyser
It'll look like this
probably literally for you since we're both Callistas
You can also see what Melk has but Brunt cycles hourly and you can sort by rating so you only need to check the top two or three for relevant good weapons
Then you just have the tab open and check it periodically for a good whatever you want
KZA showed this to me when I was looking for flechette and then I found it in like, an hour.
heavy geyser
happy to save you some money
Mine just rolled over and, god, if only Mobility and Stopping Power were swapped. I been wanting one of these for a while.
I'll cop this one
split mantleBOT
how are you getting this? it's only showing us our account information
rally ↩️
heavy geyser
You need the Armoury Exchange browser plugin
brazen fossil
asnyone for a little tidin
regal pendant
...love spawning in and having half my HP be corrupted when the team's barely even made it past the starting area
Wish this game didn't punish you for the mistakes of others
heavy geyser
We had a game once where I kept getting disconnected, replaced with a bot and reconnecting. It was a bad run but multiple times when my connection dropped, a fresh bot saved the death spiral so when I logged back in we kept going past the point of failure
So I can understand why a new player would join in the same state as the player they're replacing.
It's not that you're being punished, but rather that you're not adding new resources to a game in progress
marsh gyro
Pretend you carried a couple of grims and the missing half health bar is no biggie
regal pendant
...shot at a reaper and immediately triggered a previously unseen demonhost
Lovely
On the bright side, I might be getting the hang of knives
Need to figure out a setting that'll give me enough aim control to slowly move my camera to better aim the knives though, it feels like every time I want to try to aim them the camera fucking zips all over the place
Which is good for melee cause I need to be able to turn fast, but bad for aiming because it makes aiming goddamn near impossible
heavy geyser
There is a toggle option that gives you a 1 pixel crosshair all the time
its a very strange option but it can help
regal pendant
Oh it helps massively, I'm talking more the act of moving the camera to aim
Cause I play on controller
I straight up cannot get used to KB+M
regal pendant
I have used a controller for literally all my life playing video games
It's incredibly difficult to transition to KB+M from a lifetime of controller
heavy geyser
If you are comfortable where you are then thrive in that joy, but you are never too old to learn something new.
regal pendant
Guess so, it's just more effort than I feel is really needed
The only thing I'd really wanna lean KB+M for is competitive shooters, and I stopped playing Titanfall 2 a while ago and generally hate comp shooters
opaque crown
Hmm I keep trying to go back to the Grenade gauntlet on my shieldgryn but 4 rounds often feels a bit stiff
heavy geyser
If you ever fancy giving kbm a shot I got a few tricks up my sleeve to share, but don't tangle yourself up in it if it isn't fun for you
regal pendant
I might someday, but for now, I don't really feel like it
marsh gyro
Darktide handles pretty nicely on a controller for most things turns out
finite nymph
Other first person games need to learn how Tides makes their weapons hit, the weight and the size of the swings and idek.. just so good
regal pendant
Aye
They feel good and weighty
Even a regular sword feels like it has heft to it
spiral badger
the actual secret and what the other guys don't do is spending a ton of time making everything sell the hit
your animations, the enemy animations, the timing
regal pendant
Bwuh
regal pendant
...man
I wish I could enjoy the bolter
But it just feels kind of subpar
...then again it's probably me using it wrong
marsh gyro
It's very reliant on weak spot hits and crits for the biggest damage; on Zealot it also busts carapace 2.5x better if you Zealot charge
regal pendant
Does it? I'll have to try that out.
tough compass
That zealot charge applies to ranged weapons until time runs out or you stab something
Is it still undocumented? It's such a bizarre mechanic
regal pendant
The attack speed buff?
tough compass
The armor pen
regal pendant
...charge gives armor pen??
cyan depot
Yeah it basically downgrades the class of armor the enemy has by 1 step while active
regal pendant
That's amusing
drowsy tusk
yea
regal pendant
It's dogshit, but it'd be funny just poking at a crusher at supersonic speeds
regal pendant
Lmao I got tossed out of bounds by a chaos spawn
split mantleBOT
<@&1042950387478560878> anyone want to tide in like 20 minutes
marsh gyro
Yeah I can tide then
split mantleBOT
we won't be around to vc but we'll be around to play
marsh gyro
Nice
marsh gyro
Dang headhunter burst autos rule
brazen fossil
@twilit cradle yo 17, I don't got work today, we can play darktide!
split mantleBOT
we'll be free in like,,, 5 hours? sorry 
Patrik G ↩️
brazen fossil
That's perfec
split mantleBOT
we'll be around in maybe 30 minutes? maybe a bit longer
Patrik G ↩️
brazen fossil
oke I might not be able to call but Ill play
split mantleBOT
split mantleBOT
<@&1042950387478560878>
regal pendant
Debating if I want this hat or not
On the one hand, Cool Hat, but on the other, idk if it really meshes well with my coat
split mantleBOT
<@&1042950387478560878> anyone up for friday tidings in like ~30 minutes?
fluid jungle
sure
regal pendant
I'm down
heavy geyser
I remember someone in here said they were waiting for an ushanka?
split mantleBOT
@sacred pagoda
sacred pagoda
VALHALLANS!
regal pendant
Debating if I want this hat or not
...I am considering going fan-hammer revolver instead of a force stave
If nothing else than to become the truest of cowboys
thick rivet
Debating if I want this hat or not
Thanks to this I can make jokes about how Orville Peck is canonically a psyker
regal pendant
Lmao
...I don't get the ledge hang mechanic
You're telling me these fine strapping fellows that swing swords and such around on the regular can't do ONE pullup?
...granted, they are weighed down by their weapons, but still
toxic sail
It's fun when you go from full health to team wipe cause one enemy knocks everyone off a ledge
I kinda wish there were more recovery mechanics for bullshit instadeath stuff
I like that my ogryn isn't consigned to death if a hound jumps on him because like... the thing is the size of his arm lol
brave kestrel
Getting ledged is the one thing that’s always been an issue in ‘tide games
toxic sail
I've played all of them but it feels worse in DT
regal pendant
Agreed
Vermintide, it at least makes some sense, cause they've mostly got metal armor, which is Not Very Light
And weapons that are also probably Not Very Light generally
Shit I'm surprised Warrior Priest can hang there at all, dude has MAD upper body strength to just hold himself up wearing all that armor
Darktide, though, it makes less sense to me
brave kestrel
it definitely is worse in DT for sure
in part due to how much more open a lot of maps are
regal pendant
God, yeah, there were never this many ledges to bottomless pits in Vermintide
brave kestrel
Shit I'm surprised Warrior Priest can hang there at all, dude has MAD upper body...
his devotion to sigmar gives him strength
regal pendant
In Vermintide, you run into a handful per map, sometimes you just don't see them at all, but there's just so goddamn many in Darktide
...man with how much I complain about this game you'd think I hate it lmao
toxic sail
You can just sometimes put your toe over the edge and you're now in death state
I don't mind the game being difficult but like how I hated daemonhost pre-nerf I just think they need to tweak out how bad you can just wipe from one enemy pushing slightly
Especially when sometimes it spawns, especially on special missions, like 3-10 of an enemy capable of doing this. Like having literally 20 dogs and 3 trappers in a Malice Mael mission between encounter cmon
I love this game just... it's frustrating.
Trust me difficulty isn't what I'm shy about, I like pubbing aurics these days, the instant death thing is actually a lot worse below that because newer players don't know how to approach certain things well
But at least DH is nerfed now, that honestly stopped me playing for ages cause it was simply there to trick new players into causing wipes and making everyone hate them
To be positive I do like that there are audio and visual cues to everything else that can trigger that state in one go. Hounds, Trappers, Flamers, Snipers, Mutants, DHs, etc., they all make very distinctive sound cues and you can spot them when you get used to their design. Learning to bait all of them is so fun and makes my brain feel smart.
drowsy vine
I don't think Daemonhosts were ever that bad
Imo
It's the same deal as Witches in L4D
cloud hazel
the worst daemonhosts are always because of the other specials on the opposite side of the daemonhost
that one god awful haz 5 where the dh was sitting between us and four snipers
and then the tox bomber to round it off
drowsy vine
oh god yeah
toxic sail
No the specific issue with DHs is the fact they only really cause issue if you have someone on your team who doesn't know what they are. When you know "oh they're like witches from l4d" they pose almost zero risk, other than their detection sometimes being weird or other specials forcing you into her path. But cause they only really target new players, it sets up a resentment for new players because nobody's using chat at all 9/10 times so yeah, they'll shoot it because no other enemy in the game shouldn't be shot. and then they die almost definitely, and if you used to try and save them it would then kill a second player. i saw no reason for them to exist in terms of improving the play experience at all tbh.
Nerfing them just makes them L4D witches more directly which is fine.
I have ideas for how they could have made that special more interesting but its whatever.
If you don't do pugs you will not have the same experience of DHs
I've set them off as an experienced player but usually just cause a lot else was happening and nobody tagged them before I made a stupid call. That's fine, that's punishing me for being unobservant.
I don't even mind ledges or hounds i just would like a little more options to deal with them and/or for them to be tightened up a bit so you don't get nearly as unlucky. The game's pretty damn tight overall.
drowsy tusk
finite nymph
This is the most fashionable prison ship, took a bit but really getting a heap of look options
heavy geyser
its a bit unfortunate you need to be paying attention during specific weeks to get certain fits but i guess that also keeps it exclusive
finite nymph
Yeaah I've missed a good few, nothing backbreaking but it's never fun
Thanks for being a real one DRG
sacred pagoda
What's the advantage of a power sword over a chainsword or chain axe?
spiral badger
better horde clear
and honestly better armor killing
but more awkward to use
basically like, an unrevved chain weapon still can be used to beat the brakes off hordes and shit
split mantleBOT
power swords are fantastic at horde clear
spiral badger
power sword without charge is Bad
split mantleBOT
yea
spiral badger
but with charge it's the Do Everything Sword
split mantleBOT
we need to keep a good ranged weapon for armor but we pretty much use it exclusively as a melee
spiral badger
so you have to get used to the awkward charge pattern and you really need Power Cycler
but if you've got that down it's by far the easiest option for just Fuck This Situation
whatever the situation
cloud hazel
power cycler push attack to light will guaranteed two-tap a crusher in half the time it takes a chain weapon to do its thing, potentially not even oneshotting
spiral badger
the downside is charge takes a moment and if you get hit you lose it
so if you're in trouble already and can't make space to charge you might just get fucked
cloud hazel
yeah it's a nerf sword without it
but then again
you can cancel charge into block really quickly with the good power sword
spiral badger
oh, it's also got generally shitty stamina, dodges, and move speed stuff
so you're not Mx. Mobile the way you can be with the chain weapons
that's the big reason I don't use it as much these days, I like putting Rev It Up on things and charging
drowsy vine
Power Sword really is a glass cannon weapon
They fucking shred, but they punish mistakes severely
foggy latch
shovel is best
regal pendant
Real and true
It is funny as fuck and therefore the superior choice
And also that special attack deals stupid amounts of damage
brave kestrel
I just use the basic shovel. Nuts amount of crowd control for what it is, uncanny strike means it can shred armour too
foggy latch
basic shovel is my favorite
heavy horizontal swings that clonk ragers in the head and stun them out of their flurry
marsh gyro
Standard issue shovel is amazing at clearing everything but carapace and with Uncanny Strike it'll smash even that
drowsy tusk
basic shovel is my favorite
Yessssssssss OBJECTIVELY CORRECT TAKE
covert trellis
<@&1042950387478560878> We could use 2 in IPS-N
inland wigeon
gentle flame
fluid jungle
fallow star
<@&1042950387478560878> hey hey who down?
drowsy tusk
sure gimme a bit
fallow star
yey <(:)
split mantleBOT
@brazen fossil ping us whenever you're free
brazen fossil
About 20 minutes
fallow star
<@&1042950387478560878> will there be more darktide tonight?
split mantleBOT
us and patrik are gonna be on soon-ish
marsh gyro
I can tide for a bit
fallow star
yey <(:)
split mantleBOT
hell yes
brazen fossil
@twilit cradle almost home
brazen fossil
drowsy tusk
fallow star
<@&1042950387478560878> hallo anyone down?
brazen fossil
<@&1042950387478560878> Yo, anyone down for about two runs ?
split mantleBOT
hells yes
marsh gyro
Does it still shoot the same projectiles
split mantleBOT
it does!!
it looks so cool actually
hmm
i kinda wanna give it a sight, actually,,,,
not bad?
split mantleBOT
nah, it just looks weird
split mantleBOT
oh hey, we finally got a perfect weapon
brazen fossil
holy shit
split mantleBOT
,,,,, we say that, but i think we're gonna replace decapitator 4 for brutal momentum 3 instead
until we get brutal momentum 4 at least
drowsy tusk
@foggy latch
foggy latch
Throwing a krakus grenade at you
marsh gyro
There's some blessings that have only a rank 2 or 3 and not a rank 4 so 520 or 535 would be those caps on a 380 base
regal pendant
Commodore's vestures changes out next week, right?
marsh gyro
Sometimes they rotate on Fridays and this time Tuesday the 25th is plausible yeah
regal pendant
True
toxic sail
no itemization update with secrets, coming after summer
marsh gyro
They want us to spend all our plasteel chasing double barrel shotgun blessings then make it easier, I can live with this
heavy geyser
Jokes on them, I'm gonna roll perfect my first try.
cloud hazel
aw dangit
brave kestrel
I knew as soon as they announced that it wasn't confirmed confirmed to be in the update that it wouldn't
Fatshark does not have a great track record for updates
heavy geyser
The major update that I'm aware of was the talent rework which seemed to be a really good update
drowsy vine
Yeah I'm gonna dispute that, Fatshark actually has a great update track record
They have a bad track record for game and DLC releases
brave kestrel
that's fair, actually
perhaps I'm just a bit jaded lol
marsh gyro
This update has more guns so it has more fun, it's science
foggy latch
how many guns
cyan depot
Wait is it out?
cyan depot
Ah cool
slender shell
I thought the update got delayed or is that the crafting update specifically?
brave kestrel
crafting specifically
drowsy tusk
<@&1042950387478560878> tide Tide’s
sacred pagoda
Uhh… give me fifteen minutes and I could jump on.
brazen fossil
Yeah I can do a game
split mantleBOT
we can game!
vapid arrow
I can be around soon as well if theres still a spot
split mantleBOT
twilit cradle
<@&1042950387478560878> tidestide? 👀
brazen fossil
Wait, is tomorrows update just a map or does it have the new weapons as well?
brazen fossil
Nice nice nice
Oh right
It was the older post where they talked about weapons
I only remembered the ogryn 2h
But now I'm seeing the god danged Bolt pistol
Imma spend a lot of time with that thang
regal pendant
What time does the update release?
soft summit
Wait is it today or tomorrow?
regal pendant
Oh wait it's the 24th lmao
drowsy tusk
I brought my computer to work so I could update it and maybe play some when I got home and then realized it was tomorrow lol
wintry plaza
soft summit
The exaggerated swagger of Swsgger
slender shell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=zk9U-4jU93w
https://www.youtube.com/...
Oh holy shit that's a big pickaxe
drowsy tusk
Oooo hoooo hoooo hoo
foggy latch
whats the bolt pistol look like
heavy geyser
god the double barrel looks so cool
brazen fossil
whats the bolt pistol look like
Really fucking good
blissful sparrow
pickaxe pickaxe PICKAXE PICKAXE
vapid arrow
ROCK AND STONE MF
slender shell
It's a fucking anchor
regal pendant
I hope the double barrel has wooden furniture
...oh, it's just plastic
Lame
Oh well
heavy geyser
I'm sure the new weapon types will feature heavily in rhe reskin cash shop in the months to follow
Although I also don't know if all furniture in the 41st millennium is bakelite or something
regal pendant
Or plasteel
Would make sense tbf
It's just wooden furniture looks better
Just in general
brazen fossil
Has it dropped yet ?
drowsy vine
Nope
brazen fossil
marsh gyro
Update's out now - full changelog is in two posts:
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/secrets-of-the-machine-god-out-now-pt-1/96131
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/secrets-of-the-machine-god-out-now-pt-2/96132
Recon Lasguns and Power Mauls got a pretty big numbers and feel tweak and a bunch of blessings got numbers tweaks
e: ```Talent and Blessing Tweaks
‘Brutal Momentum’ weapon blessing: Removed Ogryns as possible enemies whose Hit Mass can be ignored.
Dev Note: The ‘Brutal Momentum’ blessing paired with powerful Strikedown attacks (like the special activated attack on Ogryn folding shovels) led to possible one-hit kills on multiple stacked Ogryn-type enemies, like Crushers. This expanded too much out of the single target nature of those Strikedown attacks, and also made Strikedown weapons which did not have access to the blessing to feel comparatively less useful in situations where they should have excelled.
Dev Note: This is part of ongoing prep work we are carrying out for itemization as we rebalance existing weapon blessings. We are curious to collect player thoughts and feedback as we continue optimizing.
‘Run ‘n’ Gun’
Close Damage while sprinting: 10% → 12%.
‘Perfect Strike’
Now also grants 7.5% Crit Chance.
‘Surge’
Now also grants 5% Crit Chance.
‘Focused Channelling’
Now also removes 30% of Charging Movement Speed Penalties.
‘Blazing Spirit’
Tier 3:
Stacks Per Crit: 2 → 3
Max Stacks: 10 → 9.
‘Sunder’
Now also grants 20% Heavy Melee Damage.
‘Man-Stopper’
Now also grants 15% Bonus Impact.
‘Adhesive Charge’
Now also grants 15% Damage vs Ogryns and Monstrosities.
‘Infernus’
Tier 3:
Stacks per crit: 4 → 3
Max Stacks: 10 → 9.
‘Ceaseless Barrage’
Suppression Bonus: 20% → 10%
Damage vs Suppressed: 6% → 4%.
‘Blaze Away’
Power Level: 8% → 7%.
‘Point Blank’ weapon blessing: Fixed an issue where the blessing failed to trigger from kills with the primary weapon.
‘Take a Swing’ weapon blessing: Fixed an issue where the bonus weakspot damage failed to be added upon triggering the blessing.
Lmao
And here I was ready to pickaxe shit
slender shell
Good news locks are confirmed going away in the itemization update
brazen fossil
Locks ?
slender shell
The little locks on weapon blessings/perks, only being able to change them twice is going away
brazen fossil
Oh nice
I'm a bit miffed about the weapons lol
How fast are they about fixing that ?
marsh gyro
And here I was ready to pickaxe shit
They're in the shop randomly, you just can't target get them from Brunt's for the moment; this happened last time they added a bunch of guns and they got it fixed within a couple days
drowsy vine
Noooooo they removed the ranged Rending bonus from Zealot charge
(this should have happened earlier so fair enough)
marsh gyro
Whoa that's a big change for ranged zealot play
drowsy vine
I think it needed to happen
marsh gyro
And here I was ready to pickaxe shit
Never mind that - Ogryn has pickaxes at least
spiral badger
They usually filter in over a couple hours
slender shell
No more standing on the side of stairs as ogryn
marsh gyro
They usually filter in over a couple hours
Yeah I'll edit my previous message - they seem to be in for all the classes now - Pysker gets bolt pistol, shotgun, and shock maul so it's a very good day
brazen fossil
Never mind that - Ogryn has pickaxes at least
soft summit
Hmm, can't seem to download the update
getting corrupt files for some reason
ok donwloaded
hopping in now
anyone wanna play?
acoustic wharf
For those who've played Vermintide 2 as well, they basically gave the Ogryn Saltzpyre's billhook, aka one of his best melee weapons
Except for the Branx, which has no pull and is too slow to be worth considering imo
slender shell
ok so it's the Borovian and Karsolas (Medium/light) pickaxes to be on the look out for
regal pendant
For those who've played Vermintide 2 as well, they basically gave the Ogryn Salt...
Oh dear fucking god
I almost feel bad for the Nurgle cultists
marsh gyro
I'll disagree on the Branx, this thing rules - I've got a grey 329 and on melee spec this thing one shots with lights normal sized targets and the special is a comedy bonk with a really wide horizontal range
The Borovian feels good for sure
acoustic wharf
I'll disagree on the Branx, this thing rules - I've got a grey 329 and on melee ...
I'll fully admit that my opinion on the Branx is entirely shaped by "I played a lot of Saltzpyre in VT2 and the pull is back THE PULL IS BACK and still very fucking strong"
marsh gyro
True, I never played Vermintide and being able to prank bulwarks with the pull is a huge tool
acoustic wharf
Plus the pull synergizes very well with a new pickaxe blessing that gives you 20% more damage for 4 seconds after a pull; lets you 3-4 tap Bulwarks, give or take
At the very least it lets you stagger an Ogryn, do a Heavy > Light and get rid of half their health, even with the Karsolas
The main reason I put so much value in the pull is that it'll stagger anything short of a Monster (and probably charging Mutie?) guaranteed, even Berserkers in their flail state
marsh gyro
Yeah the lights do mad damage to carapace if you don't feel like winding up heavies for the Crunch! lifestyle
regal pendant
Does that double barrel deal decent damage?
spiral badger
unfortunately it feels kind of like the other shotguns
with worse range
very good at killing unarmored/maniacs
does terrible armor damage
will put them on their butts at least
regal pendant
Damn
spiral badger
but with huge spread and no armor penetration i struggle to see why I'd use it
the reload is very fast though
so it's kind of like a worse kickback
marsh gyro
Double barrel rules on gun psyker
marsh gyro
Brain burst handles anything you can't reach, Dueling Sword handles carapace and crowds (I like Mk4), double barrel has surprising reach with Disrupt Destiny stacks and great cleave
slender shell
I heard double barrel is the rager killer, guessing that's where it fits in to with gunker?
marsh gyro
Can also confirm 329 grey Branx Pickaxe bonks maulers and crushers all day in a no ammo scab only Maelstrom so this 377 the armory has is gonna rip
marsh gyro
I heard double barrel is the rager killer, guessing that's where it fits in to w...
Each barrel does 1000 damage or so to non-Carapace and ragers conveniently have 2000 HP so yeah it'll blast 'em good
marsh gyro
Yeah most gunner type elites have about 1000-1400 HP and mooks have 300-700 on threat 5 so you gotta aim good on the priority targets or have some rolling buffs which isn't hard to do
e: damage falls off to half or less past 8 meters, too
slender shell
so for pick axes what's gonna be the best in slot, tormentor and then what else?
marsh gyro
I've got Wrath on a Borovian and it feels real good
slender shell
oh wtf I misread that, 40% cleave and that stacks
drowsy tusk
Confidant+slaughter for a horde muncher, thunderous + headtaker seems good for a generalist
Trust me I’m an oggspurt
spiral badger
it's very fun, I just find myself challenged to find a reason to take it
mortal crystal
I mean "Because the Doom soundtrack started playing" might be enough
brazen fossil
brazen fossil
you just CLEAR hordes and specials
drowsy tusk
Boffum
regal pendant
BOFFUM DEEZ NUTS
drowsy tusk
No that’s boffa
mortal crystal
How to delete rager hordes .png
marsh gyro
The big advantage the double barrel has over Lawbringer and Kantrael shotguns is cleave - the source code hasn't been ripped for the new update so I don't know exactly how much but it's probably 6.5-ish cleave compared to 1.5 cleave on Lawbringer/Kantrael buck - the double barrel can hit 3 scabs in the pyskhanium while the buck shot on the other shotguns gets stopped by one scab melee mook
regal pendant
Oh they gave the boltgun a big ol ammo upgrade
Thank fuck, it needed it
100 ammo instead of just 35
...I think it was 35 anyway
brazen fossil
85
slender shell
all the new perks, new shotgun can roll flechette
split mantleBOT
how big is the update?
regal pendant
15 gigs
twilit cradle
looking forward to coming home and trying things out
foggy latch
the launcher is making me validate files sadge
split mantleBOT
you don't need to
you can just skip that
does anyone know if any mods break with this update?
slender shell
For... some reason
they added some new end events and reworked some maps but 15gigs seems way too big
foggy latch
oh thank christ
thats a big ups for the columnus braced autogun
the bolt pistol might be the best melee weapon theyve ever made
silent egret
drowsy tusk
<@&1042950387478560878> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
mortal crystal
e?
drowsy tusk
updated come play
foggy latch
i dont think this update is enough to keep me drawn in
i felt the same ennui set in looking at all the RNG as ive played lately
i'm just gonna wait for the itemization update
drowsy tusk
Ennuiner
But for real that’s completely understandable and I hope to play with you more when you’re feeling it more👍
bronze gull
is that new music i hear in the trailer
heavy geyser
super shotgun is beautiful
heavy geyser
thanks brunt
the double barrel is like the perfect compliment to my build
I'm so happy
cyan depot
I'm torn with the equipment update coming soon how much I want to wade through the RNG swamps for ideal weapons
marsh gyro
They're pretty functional on threat 5 even as greys so I say go with the blessing flow on a good base
cyan depot
Yeah I don't usually bother getting more than 85% or so optimal
foggy latch
It's just disheartening always running dry of plasteel on bad rolls and unlucky locks
I don't like how the crafting loop and itemization feels
cyan depot
I mostly play psyker and mostly don't futz with my weapons so I have like 14k plasteel stored up if I wanted to go all out
marsh gyro
The new guns all play nice on Psyker which is cool
cyan depot
I'm not super interested in gun-psyker (largely just because I find that letting the rest of the party pick up 25% more ammo rules) but I plan to check them out on Zealot
foggy latch
I play vet and am constantly poor trying to make new builds and coming up unsatisfied
marsh gyro
Veteran has the most weapons so it's got a huge resource sink yeah
cyan depot
Do the bolt pistol and boltgun share blessings?
cyan depot
makes sense
spiral badger
none of the new weapons share a blessing pool with anything
except their own category
cyan depot
I didn't really expect them too but it would have saved some time since my boltgun sticker book is pretty nicely filled
heavy geyser
i am not looking forward to getting flechette again but I also don't know if the super shotgun strictly needs it since it just kills everything anyways
knocking down crushers is good crowd control
that fast reload blessing is looking extra tasty
covert trellis
Anybody else find this in their inventory?
drowsy tusk
cyan depot
Wow the bolt pistol is very nice
Pleased with the shock mauls too
Nice flexible weapon
I really like how the bolt pistol splits the difference between the revolvers and the bolter
brazen fossil
I really like how the bolt pistol splits the difference between the revolvers an...
Yeah
It feels really nice
Plus the bash+primary is just one of the best gameplayes I've ever seen
heavy geyser
The bolt pistol feels super nice
spiral badger
shock mauls feel good but have weird patterns
one of the ones you need to learn some tricks to get optimal combos on
cyan depot
Yeah
Personally that's a positive for me - I find the weapons with really straightforward ones kind of boring to use after a while
spiral badger
i prefer more straightforward weapons so I can focus my attention on identifying and killing priority targets
but it's just preference
split mantleBOT
updating!!!! gods we can't wait
marsh gyro
Bleed shotguns ate a slight undocumented nerf I'm guessing is a knock-on of the impending itemization revamp - Flechette Blessing got changed from +6 bleed stacks at rank 2 only to +3-6 bleed stacks based on rank except only rank 2 is available still so exisiting Flechette blessings do +4 stacks on crit instead of +6
soft summit
I like the bolt pistol
silent egret
Did they add galvanic rifles
soft summit
What's a good roll "number" for a grey weapon?
drowsy tusk
360+
marsh gyro
Once you're level 30 everything is going to be between 300 and 380 - anything in the 320-350 range tends to be real usable with a big weakness while anything 360+ tends to be pretty well rounded
The distribution appears to be even so the 300 is just as likely as the 380
drowsy tusk
drowsy tusk
shoodgum
drowsy vine
Both are peak
regal pendant
Shotgun I say
drowsy vine
Bolt pistol is my vote
marsh gyro
Depends on the melee weapon - shotgun needs something that can do hordes and carapace while bolt pistol just needs a horde clear
marsh gyro
Sometimes you just need five people to do a backflip at once
soft summit
I'll do Bolt then
heavy geyser
Bleed shotguns ate a slight undocumented nerf I'm guessing is a knock-on of the ...
Well that's a mixed blessing I suppose
I wanna roll the fast reload blessing on the doomgun
I shot a rager in the meat grinder with both barrels and the top half of him disappeared
I'm so glad the doom shotgun gibs
cyan depot
I’m a big bolt pistol fan
I think it’s probably the one I have but I’m not huge on the double barrel
spiral badger
nah i agree, the double barrel is much more niche
cyan depot
Though I think the only unfixable with a better roll critique I have is that it really doesn’t give you a long ranged option
spiral badger
it's still fun and usable but the bolt pistol covers a lot more
cyan depot
Even the other shotties go pretty far with ads
Bolt pistol is awesome except it kicks as hard and unpredictably as the Red Orchestra MG34
spiral badger
it's great on weapon spec vet I think
the guaranteed crit means accuracy doesn't matter, whatever you pointed it at is probably dead
cyan depot
That makes sense
I have only used it on zealot where it both felt iffy (I used a random emperor’s gift which wasn’t that optimized) and was over-indexed into short range with my Thammer
Maybe with blades of faith?
spiral badger
yeah im about to test knife blades of faith shottie zealot
i think that covers all the bases
opaque crown
I'm vibing weapon specialist shotty
The shock maul feels almost a little too universally effective
cyan depot
Yeah its at least adequate at everything it feels like
I rolled rending vs staggered enemies and it makes the special just saw through armor
drowsy vine
me: "okay time to buy a bunch of bolt pistols to try for a good roll"
buy until rating: "ok i bought 2 :)"
me: "wait what"
cloud hazel
chat...
marsh gyro
I'm very glad bolt pistol has laser accurate hip fire to go with monstrous huge boom
acoustic wharf
I think someone already said as such in here already, but the Bolt Pistol is a damn fine melee weapon
heavy geyser
The new mission has multiple ending variants
We did it three times where we needed to break ice off the bottom and then one where we had to plug batteries in.
acoustic wharf
Why the fuck is the Agni Shock Maul so god damn fast?
heavy geyser
Also: rolled Both Barrels IV on my first doom shotgun
acoustic wharf
Ok, both of them are, the hell?
heavy geyser
you can dump shells into rager packs with that
brave kestrel
the mauls are really fast yeah
both 2h and 1h
acoustic wharf
The Vermintide 2 player in me is eating really well today it seems
First they give the Ogryn the billhook, now everyone else gets Kruber's mace
heavy geyser
A cool feature of the update: priest chants got more and better shout lines
brazen fossil
Also: rolled Both Barrels IV on my first doom shotgun
It makes it absolutely murder hordes
(if you have rending you can one shot crushers too)
Btw
I think the heavy pickaxe is bugged
I did a third of assassination targets health in one hit
heavy geyser
You can get rending on the double barrel??
heavy geyser
oh as a Veteran, right
I don't know if I'd put Flechette on it since it just murders everything real good on its own.
I've been using it for dangerous targets that are cumbersome to kill with the mk II eviscerator
It compliments that melee weapon well
You sort of end up needing someone else to handle snipers you can't run up to yourself but your close to mid range control sphere is real strong
brazen fossil
I run it for maximum clear on my stealth build
Smoke+stealth is enough to make closing in on snipers easy
Running the +crit on alt fire perk makes it really funny
And since you reload always it's easy to still be good on stamina
opaque crown
Hmm anyone have thoughts on more favorable pickaxe? I'm currently using the medium and it's pretty good general purpose
Nothing it struggles at, but it usually 2 shots tougher enemies
I know the light is better at horde sweeping and the heavy is a single target crusher
But how much better are they respectively
brazen fossil
The lights charged attacks are extremely good horde clear with amazing range while still having enough stagger to deny specials and elites.
The heavy is the most damage ever
marsh gyro
It's very much a feel and build situation, the branx can one shot stuff where the others take two shots and the borovian and karsolas are turbo fast
quiet escarp
The pull special on the medium is so good
brazen fossil
Imo all 3 are viable and deserve their own builds
marsh gyro
I've been doing all my pickaxeing on left side ogryn since the heavy hitter penance takes a while and I'm curious how the feel is on middle or right side trees
opaque crown
im currently rolling borovian jus tbecause it seems to be the happy medium option
gives me a taste of both worlds
currently my pickaxe build is entirely left side
i could see mid working
but right sid would be eh
my usual group struggles with getting overwhelmed by basics tho, so im considering going for hte light
to sweep the little uns
marsh gyro
I think they improved the spawning tech a bit because the new mission sure has a lot of dudes at once
opaque crown
yeah thats been a thing for sure
brazen fossil
The new power maul is also quite amazing
opaque crown
yeah i almost feel like it might be too strong
wintry plaza
slender shell
still keeping randomized stats with no way of improving them it looks like?
plush basalt
No, you can now improve them, I think. You get worse stats and they're still random, but you can improve them from the starting point.
This is when the players create an actual relationship with the weapon. Players will be able to configure the weapon, change the Blessings or Perks, and increase the stats
When viewing any weapon, it will show the weapon’s maximum potential stats. These stats will be randomly determined. It’s up to the players to decide if the weapon profile is interesting enough for them to commit and increase the stats until reaching this potential (which are then applied to the weapon through the Expertise system).
slender shell
is that the same 80% cap or is this just randomized stats again with extra steps?
marsh gyro
In the code for the weapons there's overclock values for each of the randomized stats and I think if I was reading it right the idea with those is that would bump by 20% the chosen stat and that'd be how to get to 100% and it's unused now and it's fine by me because while I know I'd slam mobility to 100% most folks would just take a 20% damage bump
heavy geyser
20% cleave target, penetration or stopping power seem like good candidates
foggy latch
still rng in the rng in the rng
heavy geyser
Is there a method you would prefer to see implemented?
mortal crystal
I mean, just base stats being RNG is hilariously easy to account for
Spam buy/sell brunt's armory until you get a good roll
There's even a mod for automating it.
heavy geyser
Thematically, we're working with hand-me-down and reclaimed weaponry, we don't get the fresh stuff. Mechanically, rolling up new weapons is part of the gameplay loop. If they handed us a build-a-saw kit we wouldn't need a second chainsword.
Having a weapon's stat potential given to you upfront is more humane than what a similar system could have gone for.
sacred pagoda
I like the combo of bolt pistol + power sword a lot.
marsh gyro
It's good that the iconic combos are also awesome good
sacred pagoda
It whips ass and I feel like the Emperor's Wrath made manifest when I use it.
opaque crown
I've tried the light and heavy pickaxe, must day I'm favoring the medium
Gives me the means to deal with the most stuff
brazen fossil
The heavy pickaxe has a really good horde clear interestingly
Shove into attack, heavy, repeat
Not as good as the light pick ofcourse
But a good thing to have on the heavy pick
marsh gyro
Yeah the heavy branx pick can also alternate heavy into light and vice versa to either get multiple sweeping attacks or constant strikedowns
marsh gyro
I’ve been enjoying BP+new maul on zealot
Can confirm this combo works on both middle and right tree veteran too
opaque crown
I felt a little suffocated on crowd clear with the heavy pick, might have just been doing it wrong. Felt a bit more free with the medium. Noting I don't have a full library of good blessings for em yet
drowsy tusk
A good ripper or the like can deffo help thin out crowds and with can opener it’s also a good armor cracker
opaque crown
I supplement my shield build with a ripper most often, to expedite crushers in small numbers
The medium and heavy pickaxe both handle armor well though
Not as easily as the folding shovel but with a lot less windup
alpine needle
So. The Shock Maul. What blessings do we love on this funny stick?
Me coming back the DT chat hat in hand like I haven't been cheating with Hell Divers for the past 3 months
marsh gyro
Falter and Hammerblow is the shoryuken combo to ragdoll everything
They're all really solid blessings though so no matter what you roll it'll be solid
alpine needle
I believe that, it's been so fun so far
I'm actually really happy to be back
I can't wait to get that beeg book
heavy geyser
holy shit
heavy geyser
They added a bolt pistol skin where the front sight is a candle flame
That's the smartest thing anyone has ever done
heavy geyser
the voice changer on that thing has to sound monstrous
drowsy tusk
Soup can is the eyes of the mouth
heavy geyser
the emperor's biggest little ration lover
marsh gyro
I just queued into a mission where we all have double barrels
This is going to rule
Edit: It ruled and zealot double barrel with the spread reduction on dodge is wild
cyan depot
all three lil guys
Fuck yes
covert trellis
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/introduction-to-the-itemization-rework-dev-bl...
@gentle flame
fluid jungle
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drowsy tusk
heavy geyser
how do you get a nude reject?
I was on a team with "James Würkshop" the other night.
quiet escarp
Holy crap the heavy pickaxe is so good
Not having the pull is totally forgiven because even an unoptimized one can pretty easily two shot crushers
And the shove in to light heavy strings of sweeps crushes hordes too
heavy geyser
There is a skull shotgun under veteran which also works on zealot shotties
regal pendant
Aye, but I use Kantrael, and I kinda prefer the wooden furniture on it
tough compass
So, the bolt pistol makes the character pause their movement whenever they fire it. They will also stop moving even if it is empty lol
grave talon
the zealot heavy armor looks verry good
grave talon
here's fashion
twilit cradle
<@&1042950387478560878>
split mantleBOT
tidestide?
twin wasp
sure
twilit cradle
@brazen fossil invite us to your strike team
:(
fixed
ty steam very cool
@twin wasp post your steam friend code
twin wasp
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mortal crystal
Daily reminder that knife Zealot has normal damage
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1082026299536719922/1256392676123738222/spy_backstab_but_darktide.mp4?ex=66809a5c&is=667f48dc&hm=e05f5ba7900748129431c869a3d9594ae329c50bf49bdc4e7483a13ae39cd77d&
marsh gyro
The new shock mauls zip zap the assassination boss shield great too
drowsy tusk
<@&1042950387478560878> play darktide?
split mantleBOT
,,,, darktide,,,,,
marsh gyro
I'll be free in 30 minutes to tide
split mantleBOT
i'm gonna find us something to eat first but we'll be on
do a mission without us
sacred pagoda
marsh gyro
Da grimperor provides
twin wasp
<@&1042950387478560878> is anyone who plays this awake or do i have to wait twelve hours to not wake the americans
twin wasp
asleep it is then
weary edge
I feel out of practice
alpine needle
Vets not clicking with me for some reason
Also I came here to say Swagger is a Dev OC and nothing will convince me otherwise
Oh and I recently rebound my dodge to Alt which has only fucked me twice. But I'm still hopping on my dodges on accident occasionally
Zealots been feeling phenomenal
That shock maul is insane
marsh gyro
I feel out of practice
Shooters are more accurate, groaners are faster, and dreg ragers attack faster, so game got tougher
They added extra patch notes not in the patch notes yesterday 6/28/2024:
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/secrets-of-the-machine-god-out-now-pt-2/96132
marsh gyro
Vets not clicking with me for some reason
What level is your veteran? Veterans want all the skill points so it's tough to get a build going pre-30
alpine needle
What level is your veteran? Veterans want all the skill points so it's tough to ...
Oh I've been 30 for a min
Thats my best boy, my ride or die
I love Vet, but recently we got someone new to play and he's running vet so I'm switching between ogy and Zealot rn
Zealot feels so so good.
marsh gyro
Zealot owns
New gear works really good on a Momentum middle tree to charge to right tree build zig zag
alpine needle
Thats where I'm at rn 
Good to know I'm doing it right, I recently picked up an Evi that rips and I've been having a lot of fun chastising the wicked with it
And the ability cooldown on taking damage is just perfect. Especially with the bonuses from Martyrdom
I have a support build and an aggro build and both have been shining
marsh gyro
Yeah you can get like +300% impact if you grab all the impact nodes and hammerblow on a shock maul and just ragdoll the world
alpine needle
Noted, the one I got early on that I've been rockin with is kinda scuffed so I'm in the market to build on I'm just holding out for good modifiers
marsh gyro
The cool thing is pretty much all the damage blessings on the maul rule so you can't go wrong
I'm rocking the perfect parry electrocute and bonus damage to electrocuted right now
alpine needle
I love how they translate that effect of them packing a massive punch into game feel. The feed back of bullying anything and everything in front of you.
Haven't gotten to rock the pickaxe or the bolt pistol yet. Speaking of does the bolt pistol ready pretty quickly?
Or does it have the same sluggish draw as the bolter
marsh gyro
It's fast like a revolver and slightly slower than the revolver
It'll two tap most specials and elites and crits help it boom big
alpine needle
Righteous, what's it's mag capacity?
marsh gyro
8 in the magazine, 80 base reserve (100 with veteran ammo bonus)
Reload's about 3 seconds so reload speed buffs help
alpine needle
Figure it be good for hot swaps on weapons master
marsh gyro
Very solid for melee centric play where you occasionally lob off a round at a gunner or sniper
marsh gyro
Figure it be good for hot swaps on weapons master
Yeah goes great with the 25% buff to other weapon on kill node
alpine needle
This is great news
marsh gyro
Psyker can do similar with it for the "5 weak spot hits guarantees a ranged crit" node by hitting people in melee and lobbing off a bolt round but it's even funnier to do that with the double barrel
alpine needle
I should relay that, my greatest shame is having gotten all classes to level 30 (cause it was fun) and not finding any joy in playing Psykers
By all accounts my brain should be stoked to play a gun wizard. And yet everything felt very tuned, not over tuned just hyper specific.
heavy geyser
My bolt pistol feels like it was falling shy of some one-shot thresholds, might need a new one
alpine needle
I am always looking
I don't farm per say I feel like the gatcha brain rot killed a lot of the enjoyment for my friends when we first started playing
To the point every time the shop reset it was just groans and pissing and moaning. I get that it's not ideal and saying "meh just don't think about it" doesn't help at all.
gentle flame
<@&1042950387478560878> Any gamers around?
alpine needle
I'm at work 
marsh gyro
My bolt pistol feels like it was falling shy of some one-shot thresholds, might ...
25% infested damage and 25% flak damage helps it hit a bunch of break points as does the 100% crit damage on weak spot crit blessing
alpine needle
To the point every time the shop reset it was just groans and pissing and moanin...
But fr, occasionally picking up a quality not necessarily perfect weapon from the shop more than often turns into a real solid piece of kit
heavy geyser
That blessing might do the trick.
marsh gyro
Puncture blessing is sneaky because it's about 10% more throughput on hit which is nice, same for bonus damage on stagger
gentle flame
Puncture blessing is sneaky because it's about 10% more throughput on hit which ...
Elaborate? What do you mean throughout?
drowsy tusk
throughPUT and idk what it means
marsh gyro
Elaborate? What do you mean throughout?
Damage over time; the bleed stacks add about 60 damage to a 600 damage direct hit based on tooling around in the Psykhanium on Veteran
bronze gull
what blessings should I look for on the ironhelm?
(specifically for vet, though i'm open to zealot suggestions as well)
limpid zinc
i come back and the director is once again spawning 24 packs of ragers
i swear the numbers get higher every time
marsh gyro
what blessings should I look for on the ironhelm?
Speedloader or Both Barrels is nice if you're not using weapons specialist, Scattershot too; Deathspitter and Hit and Run come up a lot as does the fire while sprinting; can't go wrong really
gentle flame
i come back and the director is once again spawning 24 packs of ragers
Assail go brrrr
mortal crystal
Just found out one of the authors of the Ogrynomicon is named Hank
Which is just perfect tbh
brazen fossil
<@&1042950387478560878> anyone for a game?
marsh gyro
Let's get that plasteel
split mantleBOT
yes! yes! yes!
tough compass
I can for a bit
bronze gull
Speedloader or Both Barrels is nice if you're not using weapons specialist, Scat...
I've got Full Bore 4 and Both Barrels on mine currently, been wondering if I should swap the former for a Hit and Run 3 I ripped off another one since closing the distance has been am issue for me
marsh gyro
Important double barrel discoveries today:
- Run & Gun blessing (shoot while sprinting) has a hidden modifier of tighter hipfire spread
1a) this stacks with zealot spread reduction on dodge for laser tight shots - you can't reload while sprinting
2a) you can reload while sliding - dang both barrels wreck monstrosities
marsh gyro
I've got Full Bore 4 and Both Barrels on mine currently, been wondering if I sho...
Hit and run and both barrels can keep up like 75% uptime of ranged immunity which is crucial in this era of buffed gunner accuracy
bronze gull
OOOO i need to get one of those for my zealot
they buffed gunner accuracy? God, no wonder tjose fuckers have been lasering me down as of late
if you can get an sc of what the tighter spread looks like id appreciate it but nw if it is too much trouble
marsh gyro
they buffed gunner accuracy? God, no wonder tjose fuckers have been lasering me ...
Yeah groaners are faster and so are dreg ragers too, details in the forum link in this message link:
#1159883850562932826 message
bronze gull
ty
regal pendant
Does that revolver skin in the aquilas shop look particularly good in first person?
bronze gull
never tried the heavy sword, is this a good roll?
cloud hazel
jesus shit
uhh
pretty good I think
I think the main thing is just that heavy swords without appropriate blessings can struggle against armor
bronze gull
Gotcha, what should I change?
spiral badger
Savage sweep for headtaker, crit damage for maniac is my preference
twin wasp
<@&1042950387478560878> so anyone down to dark some tides?
twin wasp
np
marsh gyro
never tried the heavy sword, is this a good roll?
You literally don't have to change a thing, it's like a Power Sword on crit zealot
bronze gull
I did give it a shot but I found it really struggled against stuff like ragers, any tips for those bastards?
marsh gyro
Are you running Zealot charge or another ability?
Guaranteed crit from the charge or shroudfield should one shot ragers with that roll, chorus probably wants to use a gun
bronze gull
charge
bronze gull
Guaranteed crit from the charge or shroudfield should one shot ragers with that ...
with heavy or light
marsh gyro
Heavy swing crit, can wind up during charge; I'll test on my Zealot shortly
drowsy tusk
heavy geyser
it feels like an oversight that they didn't include red or blue skins in atonement unit"s shop
marsh gyro
charge
Zealot charge with this Mk7 without damage blessing proc on a left side Fury build does 1600 on non-weak spot to dreg ragers, 2000 for a kill on weak spot hit, and 1600 on weak spot crit / 1150 on non-weak spot crit to scab ragers for a two shot kill, so yours should do pretty good with full buffs up
edit: if you're short on a breakpoint, swapping the crit damage for 25% flak is always a winner
marsh gyro
The other secret anti-rager heavy sword tech is the special attack stuns the ragers for like 3 seconds so you can stunlock groups of 2
marsh gyro
if you can get an sc of what the tighter spread looks like id appreciate it but ...
Tinier hip fire is of the Run n' Gun buffed hip fire, bigger hip fire cone is a standard no-Run n' Gun double shotty
bronze gull
thanks! that's a really big difference
bronze gull
The other secret anti-rager heavy sword tech is the special attack stuns the rag...
oooooooo gotcha
heavy geyser
the crosshair update has been rad
bronze gull
does this node have any synergy with the double barrel?
marsh gyro
Sure does
bronze gull
really? I tried it a bit in the range and I didn't really seem to be landing that many more crits
what's the advantage of it
marsh gyro
Crits are weird because the more of it you have the more noticeable it is
5% base crit chance to 15% isn't huge noticeable but scattershot 36- 60% on top of that 15% on top of 5% crit node and 5% weapon perk starts really adding up
I gotta test if deadshot node works for 25% more crit on double barrel
Edit: seems like it sure does
mortal crystal
Thoughts on what I should do?
Bloodletter lets me one hit with a special light on mutants
marsh gyro
Bloodletter is real good yeah, so's Wrath - getting the level 4 versions might be nice
drowsy vine
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/294127738774880256/1257170709340356740/im...
Get Savage Sweep instead of Wrath, it's significantly better since it stacks to a very high value instantly and doesn't fade if you miss an attack, then swap the +8% specialist damage for... probably +25% Unyielding or Flak, your choice
Unyielding lets you beat the bricks off bosses, Flak is better for small guys/maulers/scab ragers
twin wasp
<@&1042950387478560878> good morning good night everyone who wants to dark some tides
drowsy vine
I may actually be up for some in like an hour, I need to eat first
twin wasp
yey
cloud hazel
the tiderrrrr
drowsy vine
<@&1042950387478560878> me and Wizard are looking to play, do we have 1 or 2 more?
west mantle
It's updating, but it might be a minute
drowsy vine
Okay, I'll be there when you're finished, I'm still sick so I don't want to be in my cold room while I wait
bronze gull
not rn goin to bed soon
drowsy vine
It's updating, but it might be a minute <:sadcowboy:572822626456698892>
How goes it?
west mantle
25%
drowsy vine
oof
twin wasp
@drowsy vine im pringing you were ready
drowsy vine
apologies, I already started playing with a friend and I realistically only have one more in me
twin wasp
<@&1042950387478560878> wakeywakey americans its darktide time
bronze gull
Gonna take a rinse and then hop on
twin wasp
np see yall soon <(:)
mortal crystal
A little short story
Setting up Hadron and Rannick for something
Also, feat. the first sign that the players are just built different
“We lost three,” he said. “But we took five of them down, plus another four from the squad that moved in when we were going for extraction. Close call, but Borovitch got us out.”
brazen fossil
I recommend getting both barrels blessing
Combined with reload speed it becomes insanely fast
Beautiful thang for killing ragers or maulers
soft summit
Also, feat. the first sign that the players are just built different
Skill issue
mortal crystal
Combined with reload speed it becomes insanely fast
Also, the animation lies
you can stack so much reload speed with the blessing the animation breaks lol and takes longer than it should
brazen fossil
Yes
mortal crystal
Skill issue
Honestly tho, only 3 for 9? Weeaaak
brazen fossil
Holding down right mouse button tells the truth however
opaque crown
If you play vet weapon specialist, you can just never reload and hit stuff in melee instead
soft summit
Honestly tho, only 3 for 9? Weeaaak
Thoise are rookie numbers, I'm out here killing hundreds with a single life
mortal crystal
It is kind of frustrating for us that we don't have a "canon" power level for the players or why they are just that much stronger
this is like
entirely our dumb vs debate brain talking tho and we try to bury that thing as deep as possible lol
soft summit
What're the best "Aggressive" Veteran options?
opaque crown
how do you mean?
drowsy tusk
Weapon specialist and grenade skills prolly
opaque crown
i think each of the tlent trees can be played aggressive, but the executioners stance least
drowsy vine
Like a Vet that runs around pushing into enemies?
Definitely weapon specialist and your choice of Infiltrator/Voice of Command
soft summit
More a clsoe range, in the thick of it Veteran
drowsy vine
Yeah, weapon specialist is great for that
Run a lighter weapon like a Laspistol and you can really go to town
mortal crystal
Weapon spec is made for close range work yeah
I had good success running it with a braced auto actually
the unhostler time sucked a bit but the damage output when buffed was unreal
opaque crown
my understanding of weapon spec is it favors high power weapons for range and a lot of time spent in melee
spiral badger
high power, low ammo, preferrably don't require aiming, fast draw
(it actually works really well with a plasma gun if you want to be a real dickhead)
mortal crystal
admittedly, everything works well with the plasma lol
spiral badger
but also heavy laspistol, revolver, double barrel shotgun
mortal crystal
the bolt pistol too
spiral badger
yeah
mortal crystal
with the right blessing it can be an on demand stagger dispenser
spiral badger
you want something you can pull out, blast at least one thing dead, and then swap back
mortal crystal
pull out, shoot point blank, go back to swinging
spiral badger
in moments
marsh gyro
What're the best "Aggressive" Veteran options?
Try a shotgun and chainsword and krak grenades
mortal crystal
Yeah, Krak Grenade if you can't otherwise handle very heavy units/bosses and frags if you can.
spiral badger
knife is also really good on weapon spec vet because you can get the bleed talent
and then mercy killer your way through anything
drowsy vine
Ironically Power Sword gets even better on Weapon Spec Vet because you get bonus dodge speed on the melee proc
spiral badger
but any good melee weapon works
drowsy vine
Which fixes its biggest glaring issue
marsh gyro
There's a very very funny gimmick on weapon specialist vet where the bonus ROF on weapon swap stays as long as you hold the trigger on the first shot so great with autoguns or recon lasguns
spiral badger
weapon spec is what it says on the tin, basically
you can customize it to work well with any specific weapon set
but they're different setups
opaque crown
yeah it does work well with almost anything, i just know with more faster firing stuff you dont benefit as much from the free crit
but you are benefitting in other ways
spiral badger
the one thing you absolutely do not want is slow draw
so regular bolter is kind of out
opaque crown
the one thing it does nice for hte bolter is load it
which isn't nothing
since the bolter has an abysmal reload speed
spiral badger
yeah, but the draw rate is so slow it undercuts the benefits of swapping
the loading is nice but god, you're hauling that thing out for forever
marsh gyro
Yeah left side stance is better for Bolter because it fast draws it