personally im a lot more likely to sprint into position than pull out my revolver, which is for deleting pixel-high specials in the nosebleeds almost exclusively
#dark tidings (Darktide for people in the searchbar)
heavy geyser
the wound breakpoint damage reduction talent in the top left feels nice for e.g. snipers, but it feels like gunners eat it up more frequently
limpid zinc
bleed for the emperor?
i dont take that but its because i run no wound curios or talents lol
something like this
heavy geyser
you could probably stand to lose the second cooldown reduction on the right and the until death branch and put two of those points into getting Enduring Faith and you wouldn't die anyways to proc the lifesave talent.
50% toughness damage reduction is so much survival
limpid zinc
the cdr node at the bottom can be used for some nutty stuff
ive spent my second charge and refunded both instantly
i basically use the charge as a form of toughness regen half the time so its already overlapping
also benediction is my fave in that node line anyway
heavy geyser
the original point i was trying to make is that the strengths of grenades are balanced by the strength of the talents leading up to them.
your build is your build, i was talking about the tree structure itself
top right has a really niche and tricky to use grenade but it has some of the most impactful talents on the whole tree
compared to stun grenades solving any crisis but having weaker talents leading up to accessing them
its a good skill tree but everything is in context
drowsy vine
i think the grenades more than make it for it
stuns are hella cracked
i'll take a small reduction in personal effectiveness in exchange for the potential to save someone from death or even save a run
heavy geyser
it is all equivalent exchange
drowsy vine
my personal opinion is it doesn't really work out that way
heavy geyser
you feel that the branches aren't balanced?
drowsy vine
essentially yes - the knives are funny but their ability to turn a situation around compared to the other two nades, especially stuns, is so drastically less, you don't particularly gain anything from them you don't get from a well specced firearm
you can get the lion's share of good right tree talents while still getting stuns anyway
heavy geyser
The knives are a completely different utility, you can burn a lot of talents also digging through to get the stuns but if you are deep enough to take the 50% tdr talent it might be a budgetary restraint to route through knives or fire to afford an overall stronger build that prevents or saves team wipes in other, frequent ways
I think they are very well balanced for what they offer.
drowsy vine
I mean I think the talents getting to stuns are plenty good enough on their own, and the talents directly under stuns leading to Benediction are significantly better than the ones in the right hand tree
(Compared to the ones leading to Loner)
heavy geyser
I think that's a fine build route but I also feel like the three nodes leading up to stuns are noticeably weaker as a price for buying into that utility, and I also feel like the Until Death branch of the Benediction is similarly expensive in terms of what you're giving up to buy its value. I'm not really sure where you disagree that these branches don't have equivalent cost/benefit balances
its not really fair pulling out Loner as the stand-out comparison when crit chant fury is maybe one of the strongest F key presses in the game
drowsy vine
I mean I didn't, I mentioned the talents leading up to Loner
heavy geyser
thy wrath be swift is very strong value on the right branch compared to putting two points into "occasionally don't die" as well, to give that branch credit
drowsy vine
I'm gonna bow out of this since our opinions clearly aren't gonna shift
heavy geyser
✌️
drowsy tusk
<@&1042950387478560878> i wanna do some private game achievements or something
drowsy tusk
marsh gyro
Oh nice we queued with y'all on the maelstrom
marsh gyro
2000 kills exactly, that Maelstrom felt like it had more
regal pendant
Oh, did you? Who were you?
marsh gyro
the famed Psyker Bertolli, running my Enhanced Psionics Brain Burst / Shriek / Flame Staff build - Letter was running the classic Eviscerator / Mk1 Autogun combo
regal pendant
Oh yeah!
Thanks again for showing me the way to that skull, really appreciate it
Those shields were clutch as hell too
distant surge
i missed a maelstrom? 
marsh gyro
Normal maelstrom, was a spontaneous queue
cyan depot
I'm down to give it a whack
drowsy vine
jbk kg
drowsy vine
i can in a bit
marsh gyro
Heck yeah now you have the drip
heavy geyser
hell yeah, congrats
regal pendant
It kinda sucked but it was manageable with a lower enemy spawns modifier
Glad I don't have to do that again
heavy geyser
Which mission did you do it on?
regal pendant
Can't recall the name, but it's the one where you gotta run through a surprisingly normalish looking city and call in extraction at the end
Only took 14 minutes
heavy geyser
oh nice, that's a fun one
regal pendant
And quick too, the only roadblock was lowering that bridge
And a Beast of Nurgle
...god
I feel bad for Beasts of Nurgle
Puppies in the bodies of gigantic disease-spewing monstrosities
Y'all got any advice for getting good curios?
heavy geyser
If you get a good version of one you want with one of the perks you want, its easy enough to swap the other two so its not too hard to get it just right
there is a browser extension that turns the fatshark account page into a display of what's currently in your character's store, so you can peek now and then and just turn the game on to grab something you like
drowsy vine
@cyan depot do y'all have 4 already?
drowsy vine
all good!
regal pendant
Making a meme build, what melee should I use
I'm thinking the knife to try and emulate the Prinny Machete
I know I'm gunning (heh) for that twin barrel, closest thing to a minigun that ogryns can get
marsh gyro
Smelter 36
Auric Maelstrom with 3600 kills over 46 minutes
@drowsy vine I'm going to hop off if you want in still
regal pendant
Zamn, I'm looking fresh as fuck
Just need a good chainsword skin now
...those pants were surprisingly easy to get, just let a giant horde down me and started swingin, and bam, cool new pants
drowsy vine
@cyan depot good news, seem to have fixed my crashes - darkcache sadly doesn't work anymore and crashes on load in to the mourningstar
drowsy tusk
<@255907872993574923> good news, seem to have fixed my crashes - darkcache sadly...
Hek ye
marsh gyro
That's tough, Darkcache was a solid play
Must have to do with how they changed the shader cacheing
marsh gyro
My new go kinda fast build is a Momentum Zealot with a 80% mobility Devil's Claw with a cleave and impact blessing; it doesn't hit as hard as a heavy sword so you need a carapace busting gun like slug shotgun and it's not as zoomies as a knife and it does about 80% of both and has a sick parry
drowsy tusk
Parrying demon host gaming
drowsy vine
That's tough, Darkcache was a solid play
Must have to do with how they changed ...
The creator apparently quit and abandoned the mod, so looks like it's out to dry for now
dawn totem
I might get the leg braced pants for Psyker and maybe the leather jacket for Zealot.
Some of the weapon skins look nice too 😄
regal pendant
Finally got the drip I've been wanting for ages
Worth the money
Now I just gotta find some pants that go well with it
heavy geyser
Ohhh big spender
regal pendant
Got some enormous moneybags
...or did, anyway
I am now destitute in the name of drip
regal pendant
Starting up a melee Psyker build, any recommendations for weapons and skills?
drowsy tusk
Dueling sword or force sword are probably the go to options
regal pendant
Been using the force swords, I like em so far
drowsy tusk
Any of the abilities are good but scryers gaze most directly improves melee attacks
Dart is probably the best blitz cause you can chuck a few out and get back to chopping faster
regal pendant
Right, but it does leave me with nothing against bosses
Tried using it against a Beast, it did precisely Fuck and All
cyan depot
That's normal with psyker
Your job is usually to clear adds while the rest of the teamn hurts the monster
regal pendant
...though I AM at the level of "literally everything you own is the most bottom of the barrel shit tier kit possible", so that'd probably explain it
What force sword do y'all recommend?
I'm thinking Blaze since it has Vanguard heavies
cyan depot
For a melee centric psyker Ilsi imo
Not getting locked into the force sword stick ever means less accidental deaths
Blaze hits really hard
But you can't safely use the empowered attack much
marsh gyro
What force sword do y'all recommend?
Deimos Mk4 has a turbo deadly single target loop with light into heavy which can flatten crushers and maulers on their butts if you land the thrust heavy on the weak spot and goes good with Shred or Uncanny Strike
Obscurus has a great crowd control thing going on with sweeping vertical lights with good cleave and goes good with Slaughterer
You've identified that the Illisi is super good at crowds and if you get Bloodthirsty (only spawns level 4, 100% crit after special attack kill) then you win (great comboed with Exorcist)
I run a Shred/Blazing Spirit Deimos with a Blazing Spirit/Warp Nexus Trauma Staff and it works pretty decent as a Purgatus alternative
drowsy vine
Starting up a melee Psyker build, any recommendations for weapons and skills?
Not sure why it hasn't been brought up yet, Chainsword is an incredibly good all rounder option and by far your best bet against bosses
It's the riskiest out of the ones people have listed but also, imo, the most rewarding if you can exploit boss openings
regal pendant
Oh yeah I love chainsword
I usually play Zealot, I know how much the chainswords kick ass
However, I DO like using the class-exclusive weapons
And the force sword has a certain flair that the chainsword just doesn't
heavy geyser
if I understand right the force swords have a ranged force push on block attack that makes pushing bursters easy
regal pendant
Do they?
cyan depot
Yeah they have a good push
regal pendant
I did notice that they had a cool looking shield
Didn't know it did anything special
cyan depot
Laspistol for psyker has a better one because ???
regal pendant
Oh, apparently they can get a perk that lets you block bullets too
That seems
Really fucking good
heavy geyser
That seems important, Psykers always feel squishy
Its also my understanding that Zealots have a unique slide property that evades bullets in some way that other classes don't (??)
regal pendant
That one perk that gives Toughness on venting helps, but even then they have a tiny base Toughness pool
regal pendant
Its also my understanding that Zealots have a unique slide property that evades ...
I think they do, I've noticed bullets whiz past me when I slide but only sometimes
cyan depot
Its also my understanding that Zealots have a unique slide property that evades ...
There’s a perk which helps but they also have less damage while sprinting iirc
cyan depot
Really fucking good
I run it on all my force swords I love it
regal pendant
I'm defo gunning for that
Gunners always give me trouble but that would just give them the world's biggest middle finger
God it'd be cool if that was an all-melee perk
Just pull a Ronin and swordblock everything
regal pendant
YES I GOT DEFLECTOR
AHAHAHAHAHAHA FIRST FUCKING TRY
IT'S ONLY LEVEL 1 BUT I'LL TAKE IT
Oh this one's being dismantled for this blessing
drowsy vine
<@&1042950387478560878> anyone down to play in about an hour?
Now that the weapon customisation mod fixed scopes I feel like taking them for a spin
marsh gyro
I'm down to get that plasteel then for a bit
drowsy vine
Anyone else?
Admittedly if we can't get 3+ I'm inclined to start ISAT instead haha - no shade to you Clem, just prefer more people
marsh gyro
No worries, I was revisiting old conversation battles from Deus Ex Human Revolution, I'll be all right
regal pendant
Think I'm getting the hang of this melee psyker nonsense
Unsure if my build is the best for it, but I'm at least not immediately dying in Malice
heavy geyser
I tried putting a laspistol on my crit zealot build in the meat grinder last night and I think there might be some juice here
I have a 379 accatran but now I want to find a good kantrael laspistol to see which one actually feels better. I suspect all the crits and a dumdum blessing might favor the speed and capacity of the accatran but its harf to go wrong with bigger damage
marsh gyro
Infernus ticks benefit from and tick up Dumdum stacks so laspistol keeps winning
heavy geyser
I rolled a lv4 toughness heal on crit kill blessing, I got some farming to do but that might make a good holdover until I can get Infernus
I liked the burn on Kantrael shotgun shells
marsh gyro
Heal on crit/speedloader is my practical combo because dumdum/infernus is the greedy combo
heavy geyser
two of the pinch points I am finding on the shotgun are a: being a bit inefficient at range and b: competing a little bit with the eviscerator, which turns crowds into chants
marsh gyro
Yeah I run double DOT shotgun with a heavy sword or knife or thunder hammer
Heavy sword keeps winning in mutant wave maelstroms knockin' em down
heavy geyser
dumdum laspistol can gutshot maulers really cleanly
its fun to make a hallway full of fodder disappear with the double dotgun but that doesn't feed the chants so we're trying something else
regal pendant
Holy smokes, it's Saltzpyre
...side note, I'm like 90% sure Maulers are just Chaos Knights but with a different suit of armor, so why the fuck do they feel harder than before?
heavy geyser
their secret is their head is carapace but their body is flak!
saw them in half like a tree, not like a loaf of bread
mortal crystal
Yeah, Maulers aren't Chaos Knights they're, well, Maulers.
The dudes with unarmored torsos and armored heads.
Crushers are Chaos Knights
tough compass
The vermintide version makes the armor situation more obvious imo
Also that man has been blessed with levitation by the chaos gods
heavy geyser
crushers and maulers both give me anxiety
mortal crystal
What do you play?
heavy geyser
Zealot! I can dodge their overheads but I always think about "what if I don't?"
I even have enough impact to stagger interrupt the wind ups, sometimes
cloud hazel
crusher hitboxes with oceania ping makes me the big sad
but power sword makes the matchup so monstrously one-sided that it's sort of like a pleasant wakeup call nowadays
drowsy tusk
<@&1042950387478560878> hello, darktide
drowsy tusk
tide tide
drowsy vine
i will be there a bit l8r currently doing arkham horror
drowsy tusk
Yibbe
split mantleBOT
we can be on in like 10 but were very high
theLETTER3 (wegh) ↩️
drowsy tusk
we can be on in like 10 but were very high
same lol
drowsy vine
weed
spiral badger
marsh gyro
Is that the Ripper box mag on the Agripinaa shotty
marsh gyro
Joe Dirt would be a Psyker, that explains a lot in that movie
limpid zinc
...side note, I'm like 90% sure Maulers are just Chaos Knights but with a differ...
ironically if you have the right setup they die faster with head shots than body shots
but if you don't, and you probably don't, just center mass them
heavy geyser
my laspistol arc might have ended abruptly
cloud hazel
chkchak
I'm always torn between Scattershot and Man-Cleaver for the shotguns
but I think Kantrael overpen is already pretty strong as-is
heavy geyser
the low stability kinda makes it feel more meaty without losing any meaningful accuracy
heavy geyser
the scattershot icon stays in your status bar so you can see if its primed for a guaranteed ~18 free Fury stacks
cloud hazel
kerchunk
regal pendant
Think I'm getting the hang of this melee psyker nonsense
Kinda
Did surprisingly well last mission on heresy, until I got melted by like three shotgunners that ambushed me
Gonna respec a bit and run that one skill that grants Toughness DR based on Peril
drowsy tusk
<@&1042950387478560878> drawing my darktides and maybe playing later
marsh gyro
Yeah I can tide up in about 30 minutes, krak nades won't throw themselves
dawn totem
"Its gotta be Dark, its gotta be Tide!" (TM)
drowsy tusk
drowsy tusk
<@&1042950387478560878> hello
drowsy vine
<@&1042950387478560878> hello
hello this is darktide how can i help you
regal pendant
hello this is darktide how can i help you
Can I get uuuuuuuuuuh two number nines, a number nine large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45's, one with cheese, and a large soda
regal pendant
Thanks dude
regal pendant
...god
It's fucking incredible how ONE talent can make a build viable and fun
One With The Warp has just immediately made my melee psyker build extremely fucking good
It's no Unchained, but damn is it ever tanky as shit for a psyker
marsh gyro
It's no Unchained, but damn is it ever tanky as shit for a psyker
Who knew 33% toughness damage reduction for doing the thing Psykers love doing rules
regal pendant
For real lmao
Had to sacrifice that free 5% crit chance bost, but tbh the boost to damage against Elites seems more useful
How does One With The Warp stack?
I know Warp Rider is 2% per 20 peril
marsh gyro
All the individual sources of toughness damage reduction are multiplicative so as to avoid the dreaded 100% reduction breakpoint
marsh gyro
Should be 10% at 0 Peril and 33% at 100% peril and so that'd be about 5.5% damage reduction per 20 peril yeah
regal pendant
Oh shit, so it's just a free 10% DR even without any peril at all?
That's pretty slick
marsh gyro
Yeah it's a great node
That for 33%, Scrier's Gaze for 20%, and a spare 5% node on the tree will get you to effective 49% toughness damage reduction pretty good; anything further is a pretty big sacrifice on nodes
regal pendant
Eh, I'd use Scrier's Gaze, but it just feels
Kinda boring
I'd rather pop a bubble shield, I do have Deflector 3 now but my teammates might not and being able to take cover from gunners and snipers and the like on a whim is nice
cloud hazel
nobody will ever complain about bubble on high haz
cloud hazel
bubble + taser surge
cloud hazel
bubble + taser is just the most supporty support psyker build
regal pendant
I do use that one stave that shoots lightning, so
marsh gyro
Full move speed Psyonic The Hedgehog knife psyker is worth trying at least once
regal pendant
Close enough I guess?
cloud hazel
that one's bad for CC nowadays but it's high HVT damage
giving crushers and bulwarks the bad tickles
they moved its original crowd stagger functionality over to the surge slot instead so it's now a single target monster instead
drowsy vine
Man with the Scavenger nerf the Heavy Autogun feels better than ever on Vet
Having a deep ammo pool matters a lot more now
Such a swiss army knife of a gun
cloud hazel
the scavenger nerf is so brutal on high haz
drowsy vine
Real
I do like how it's made some weapons more viable by making More Ammo More Better but at this point some stuff needs a balance pass
Ol' Bolty is probably in the dumpster now
cloud hazel
the bolter feels sooooo aaaaaaasssssss
you get to dump a couple guys early on and you're all smiles
and then you realise you're only a quarter through the mission and you're already out
drowsy vine
Yeaaaaaah
cloud hazel
does the plasma really need even more stuff going for it over the bolter
drowsy vine
no
lusty kelp
hello this is darktide how can i help you
55 astartes 55 custodes 55 sisters of battle 155 Valhallan imperial guardsman 55 commissars 155 skitarii
cloud hazel
I agree some change to the ammo regen was probably necessary but that's partly also because the other passives kinda booty
drowsy vine
55 astartes 55 custodes 55 sisters of battle 155 Valhallan imperial guardsman 55...
"This is an automated message. You are being redirected to: DEPARTMENTO MUNITORUM. Thank you for your patience. Ave Imperator!"
drowsy vine
I agree some change to the ammo regen was probably necessary but that's partly a...
They're! Not good!
marsh gyro
One of these days I'll try a 4 Veteran squad where everyone has the move speed aura and knives and see how we can speed run running in circles while static defense objective bars build up
drowsy vine
At this point there might? Be something if you run the +5% Damage aura plus Focus Target, Focused Fire and Redirect Fire
cyan depot
I have been playing so much psyker I didn’t notice the nerf haha
drowsy vine
Because at that point +17% damage to your team is very much Getting Somewhere
and that stacks with Focus Target on big enemies
marsh gyro
Yeah I run that combo on my mid tree vet with Helbore/Vraks Mk7 headhunter action and it's a great team buffer
cloud hazel
I guess Helbore might have some kind of function since they're generally more ammo efficient + Shock Trooper is good enough on its own
marsh gyro
the bolter feels sooooo aaaaaaasssssss
Have you tried left side tree crit Bolter?
drowsy vine
Oh Helbores are wild good I think
I know @mortal crystal runs the Mk1 Helbore and they go sicko mode with it
cloud hazel
I built bolter for max ergo
mortal crystal
The Mk1 is a grand old time, yeah. Sadly, the vast majority of my time on it was with the old skill system so I don't have much advice for the current version
marsh gyro
New Mk1 still rules because it can one shot Reapers on crit without stance
mortal crystal
Big thing is getting Onslaught and finding a good rhythm.
cloud hazel
I've had a lot of trouble trying to use it without Stance just because it's so hard to acquire targets with how bad the scope is
mortal crystal
New Mk1 still rules because it can one shot Reapers on crit without stance
Interesting...especially now that crits are far easier to guerantee.
The sights are a major learning curve, this is true
Nothing to say there other than just use it long enough
regal pendant
...ugh
Why has every Heresy game I've tried playing my melee Psyker in just immediately gone tits up
It's not even a skill issue on my part, it's always "Oh, hey, here's a fuckshit load of Specials and a boss, also your teammates have all gone down, good luck"
mortal crystal
Don't play Heresy
Seriously
Play Damnation
The quality of your team goes WAY up
lusty kelp
Heresy is easily the hardest difficulty IME
Damnation you have a hope of being carried
regal pendant
It's weird because I've NEVER had this issue with my Zealot
lusty kelp
Heresy you have a minor hope of not being dragged down
regal pendant
But now all of a sudden shit just immediately goes tits up the first chance it gets
At this point I'm not even mad
Just
Baffled
Like, what god did I piss off to earn such a streak of horrid luck???
Good grief
drowsy vine
To be fair, Zealot's clutch potential is also a lot easier to achieve than Psyker's
And honestly it does have more
Zealot is afforded a lot of leeway with stuff like sprint DR as opposed to Psyker's sprint damage vuln
mortal crystal
A lot Psyker's clutch potential needs teammates to see it happening and then exploit it/facilitate it.
cloud hazel
psyker stops things from getting that bad but zealot can salvage more reliably with stuns
marsh gyro
Interesting...especially now that crits are far easier to guerantee.
Just tested it, looks like the secret sauce is a 25% Unyielding perk and the super mark because with one and not the other it'll be 2500 on weak spot, 3500 on weak spot crit, and with both it's a 4000 damage boop
cyan depot
It's weird because I've NEVER had this issue with my Zealot
Zealot is the best clutcher and psyker is the worst
cloud hazel
ogryn also up there, situation-dependent*
*gunners
regal pendant
Not the clutching thing, the "why are my teammates going down so fast" one
regal pendant
ogryn also up there, situation-dependent*
*gunners
Gunners? Out-dakka them, silly!
I do think this build needs some refining
Namely better weapons and curios, as well as Disrupt Destiny and one last +15 Toughness boost
cyan depot
ogryn also up there, situation-dependent*
*gunners
Yeah that’s the only reason I rate zelly higher haha
regal pendant
...really does feel like Fatshark lost their sense of balance design after Vermintide
Like, look how many fucking Crushers swarmed me
That's a "one or two per wave" enemy
Not fucking seven at once hyperfocusing one player
Chrissakes
regal pendant
Nah, there 100% weren't that many chaos knights normally
drowsy vine
If you're getting this frustrated with the game I recommend you take a step back
regal pendant
Yeah, probably a good idea
drowsy vine
Nah, there 100% weren't that many chaos knights normally
Patrols were also much more common place
cyan depot
Darktide also goes harder because you get real guns
regal pendant
You could always hear them coming though
Yeah, true
I'm just
Frustrated
For reasons I'm sure are somewhat obvious
marsh gyro
Dealing with 8 crushers or 12 maulers is just a thing the director throws out sometimes
regal pendant
Apparently
cloud hazel
yeah at higher haz you just have to handle it
regal pendant
I should take a break before I rile myself up again
drowsy vine
Yeah, no krak grenades in VT2 :p
cyan depot
Near the beginning of Darktide crushers were rarer but also it was pretty easy
regal pendant
Kinda wish we got, like, proper Big Huge Guns in Darktide
I know there's a bolter but I mean, like
Anti-materiel guns, RPGs, stuff like that
...though that would kinda screw up balance since ammo's more plentiful than it was in Vermintide
Still
regal pendant
...really does feel like Fatshark lost their sense of balance design after Vermi...
At least I still get money and XP from failed missions I guess
spiral badger
Crushers are much easier to kill than chaos knights
On higher diffs you pretty much want to have an option for cracking armor on deck
regal pendant
What does each tier of Deflector block, in terms of bullets?
Or do they all block bullets equally?
split mantleBOT
doesn't it get more efficient?
regal pendant
It does, but I did notice tier 2 seemed more effective at blocking gunner/shotgunner shots than tier 1
Though that might be my imagination
cyan depot
It just makes the cost lower
regal pendant
Guess it was my imagination then
Related, does Kinetic Deflection benefit from block efficiency?
cyan depot
Afaik yes
regal pendant
Oh, good, I was worried I was wasting a perfectly good weapon perk
cyan depot
It also benefits from that “take peril not stamina loss” talent
regal pendant
Kinetic Deflection IS the "take peril not stamina loss" talent you goober lmao
cyan depot
Oh whoops I thought you meant deflector haha
But yeah all that talent does is convert the stamina loss to peril in some ratio
regal pendant
That's on me, I should've been more clear
cyan depot
There’s a lot of similar names in Darktide to which doesn’t help
regal pendant
God, yeah
tough compass
The blessing without the talent is pretty sad imo
regal pendant
Yeah, I noticed that gunshots were draining stamina
A Lot
Now it's actually useful
cyan depot
It’s good in a pinch but yeah it doesn’t last long
regal pendant
With Kinetic Deflection, the Deflector weapon blessing is
Kinda stupid
I can just give gunners the middle finger as I zigzag towards them
This fucking idiot lmao
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxcDEh2B0P-9OPJl7OcHF-fJ1a8AJGxcfd?si=is2681giqhLLQRZc
"Aw yeah I'm gonna run at the firing line with my club, surely this will end well for me"
drowsy vine
<@&1042950387478560878> hello, tidetide
regal pendant
Who up Tidin on they Darks
drowsy vine
indeed! i would like to play
regal pendant
Do I need to send you my Steam or nah?
drowsy vine
yeah, though I usually only go with 3+ so let's see if anyone else wants to play
drowsy vine
Mutants have a 3x melee damage multiplier
regal pendant
Oh, that would explain it
spiral badger
Yeah it's to encourage you to go for the ol death or glory attack
Rather than shooting at them
regal pendant
Makes sense
cloud hazel
it's also just heinously inefficient to dump ammo into them generally
drowsy vine
there are vet builds that can do it pretty efficiently
a well specced heavy autogun + focus target drops them in about 12-13 rounds sans headshots
spiral badger
not nearly as fun as a polite sidestep into chainaxe
regal pendant
Those are fun
Though I use an eviscerator, not a chainaxe
Or a force sword if I'm playing psyker
split mantleBOT
or a polite sidestep into knife overhead!
KZA ↩️
pulling off weakspot crits on charging mutants is a small joy in our life 😌
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Psyker at max level
Now I can finally work on getting not-crappy weapons and curios
...well, my current ones are good, I mean like
Higher level stuff
hushed glade
I love the new Evis for mutant killing
You literally just fucking
Kurasawa single cut them
marsh gyro
Further Helbore testing has revealed the following:
- Helbore Mk1 and Mk2 bayonets do like 20% more damage if you hold up the stab instead of spamming it
- Bizarrely enough the 10% rending node on Vet boosts Unyielding damage and Maniac damage contrary to expectations (thought it'd only work vs Flak/Carapace)
- Helbore Mk3 is about 50% more Helbore per shot than Mk1/2 and has a 20% weaker bayonet with better cleave by about double
- The Helbore does such a ridiculous crit weak spot multiplier that crit damage actually has a tangible effect (crit damage and weak spot damage only boost the bonus damage amount to crit/weak spot, not the base damage)
- Not only do Helbore charged shots have the same cleave as a Bolter shot they do about double the damage (3 cleave, which is 3 groaners or 2 poxwalkers/scab/dreg mooks)
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My man is out here with the NCR drip
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Ough
Melee psyker is stupid fucking fun
Forget Zealot, I think I've found my new main
It's so much more multifaceted and involved
Big horde? Either charge up my force sword or hurl a few shards. Big boss? Hit em with the lightning staff. Mauler? Crank that mf Peril up to 100 and beat his shins.
It's just got so much more to play around with than Zealot
And it's SO fucking good
I get stupid high toughness DR from that one talent and up to 20% extra damage from Warp Rider, so the biggest threat is either a Crusher or me being an idiot and overloading on accident
brave kestrel
My man is out here with the NCR drip
Im incredibly sad I missed the scion helmet. Hopefully it comes around again soon
distant surge
Wowie
marsh gyro
Every time I think "maybe I'll go for the "don't get downed for a bunch of missions" cheevos" I get launched into oblivion by the Hab Dreyko barrels
regal pendant
Who on Earth just keeps leaving these things laying around haphazardly
What's even IN those barrels anyway???
marsh gyro
Based on their launch power, concentrated nerd fury
brave kestrel
Promethium probably
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Follow up question, who the hell is just leaving barrels of Promethium laying around???
Like, surely you wanna get that stuff to a fuel depot ASAP
marsh gyro
I don't think most of the heretics are forklift certified to properly transport barrels
regal pendant
Ah, true
For even in the grim darkness of the 41st Millennium, forklift certification remains of the utmost importance
cyan depot
might be cooking gas
brave kestrel
It could be a lot of stuff
In the grim darkness of the 42nd millennium, hazardrous material safety is nonexistent
distant surge
Every time I think "maybe I'll go for the "don't get downed for a bunch of missi...
i have an idea 
i really want that cheevo as well
but
easiest way to get it is probably playing safe 
some malestroms are easier than others
meelee only are scary as shit tho .w.
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Oh, speaking of cheevos, anyone care to squad up and help me with the "bring a monster down to half health with your brain blast on Heresy or above" penance?
marsh gyro
I wonder if that works on maelstroms with weakened monstrosities
regal pendant
I'd imagine it would
...man
I miss when monstrosities dropped loot die back in Vermintide
Made them feel more rewarding to beat
tough compass
I found the loot die system in Vermintide inscrutable.
tough compass
Though both did a better job of encouraging you to pick up grimoires
brave kestrel
I kinda liked the loot system in vermintide
But then I have like 800hrs on the game so that may just be me having gotten used to it
regal pendant
Though both did a better job of encouraging you to pick up grimoires
That's another thing, grimoires in Darktide just don't feel very much worth picking up most of the time
regal pendant
It's a really hefty Corruption buildup for what is most of the time a relative handful of dockets
marsh gyro
Free XP and dockets for the grimperor
marsh gyro
Every docket is precious
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And like I said, the dockets are usually not worth the Corruption
marsh gyro
Ogryn gaming hours where they casually still have 340 HP after the double grim
There's actually a tech you can do where you grab a grim and cleanse it immediately to get wounded folks cleansed a bit
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I need to level Ogryn more
I've got a memey Heavy TF2 idea planned out
Even made an ogryn that kinda uncannily looks a LOT like Heavy
Like, I made it as a funny "haha guys it's Heavy Tee Eff Too, he's eating sandvich haha" but like
He legit looks like Heavy but high poly
...okay zooming in the resemblance isn't as strong
But like, that still really strongly resembles him
marsh gyro
My record so far is 6700 stubber rounds fired in a match and with the lucky bullet buffs I think I can do even better
drowsy tusk
If you're level 30 that free XP is entirely worthless
Nope, you continue to level up the number is just hidden, over time your shop and rewards become better tho
tough compass
I didn't know the latter part. That's a weird choice I feel like?
brave kestrel
it is an odd choice, but explains why someone I know in a different discord has an obscene amount of zealot levels and gets constant godroll rewards
dawn totem
For even in the grim darkness of the 41st Millennium, forklift certification rem...
Can you imagine the Mechanics hoops to jump through just to get certified?
drowsy vine
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Is the Aquila shop cycling this week?
marsh gyro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYyPAZPLba0
Quad stacked magazines for quad loud audio
drowsy tusk
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...ugh
Rolled a force sword with better stats, including better Warp Resistance
Now it's kinda annoying generating Peril for this build
drowsy tusk
@gentle flame I summon thee, explain stuff
cyan depot
Now it's kinda annoying generating Peril for this build
You might want poor WR for that setup if you want to ramp up peril quickly
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<@&1042950387478560878> i want to kill people
alpine needle
Lol when this pops up as you're just casually scrolling
split mantleBOT
we'll be on in like 10
glass marsh
<@&1042950387478560878> i want to kill people
same!
split mantleBOT
when are you going to be on
split mantleBOT
@marsh gyro
sylvania ↩️
drowsy vine
<@&1042950387478560878> i want to kill people (in 20 minutes or so)
marsh gyro
20 minutes is good
drowsy vine
@drowsy tusk join
marsh gyro
I made it a personal quest to buy out all the level 1 and 2 blessings from the armory since I have just nearly every 3 and 4 and I have quickly concluded I need to run the +10% ordo dockets on every curio
drowsy vine
Oh dear
drowsy tusk
<@164525585463377920> join
In a bit maybe
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Uuuuuuuuuuuugh
drowsy tusk
Fun fact, you don’t have to do that when it asks and you can still play the game
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This is more amusing to me than it ought to be lmao
Three giant fuckin ogryns and one normal sized person
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Fun fact, you don’t have to do that when it asks and you can still play the game
Oh, so it's like that thing Warframe does where it's like "You wanna improve your performance and trim some shit down?"
blissful sparrow
This is more amusing to me than it ought to be lmao
and here we see the Field Trip comp. one normal size teacher and a buncha large kids
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My psyker is NOT responsible enough to be a teacher lmao
...ugh
Wish Daemonhosts were louder
Tripped over one because I couldn't hear it over the ruckus of a wave
Oh well, shit happens
drowsy tusk
<@&1042950387478560878> care to join me?
split mantleBOT
in like a half hour
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<@&1042950387478560878> care to join me?
Who up tidin on they darks
drowsy tusk
165047127
drowsy tusk
Don't wanna VC at the moment, sorry Three
all good
split mantleBOT
we'll be on in like,,,, 10? ish
i'm going to get really high too we don't wanna be conscious
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brave kestrel
The scion helm + armageddon coat?
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Aye, the NCR Ranger looking fit
...god I wish I'd started playing when Hallowette had better stuff for sale
At the moment it's all just
Bleh
"Cosplaying as zealot", "Cosplaying as veteran", and "Mad Max wastelander", which tbf is a pretty kickass look
brave kestrel
I’m very sad I was taking a break from darktide when the scion and armageddon sets rotated through
It’s such drip
drowsy tusk
Not Armageddon coat, that is the savlar coat I believe, the Armageddon jacket is shorter and a more yellow color
split mantleBOT
@marsh gyro hop back on vc?
marsh gyro
Just Imperium Things: Even the explosive barrels have skulls on them
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At this rate I'm starting to wonder if ol Khorne has more of a foothold in the Imperium than people think
distant surge
god fucking dang it
even slaneesh for that matter, there's a functional human brain in there
"functional"
tough compass
At this rate I'm starting to wonder if ol Khorne has more of a foothold in the I...
Blood for the emperor! Skulls for the golden throne!
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Trying out the chainaxes today
The Mk. IV is fun, but I don't really enjoy the Mk. XII as much
Mk. IV really encourages that old Vermintide heavy attack-centric playstyle, which I quite enjoy
marsh gyro
Thrust blessing works real good on the Mk4 normal heavies and gets weird on the revved special heavies and sometimes only does 2 stacks and not 3
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Trying to use shotguns more, can y'all give me any advice?
Idk why but they always feel just
Weirdly unsatisfying
heavy geyser
As a Zealot I'm a big fan of the Kantrael, it is great for blowing through crowds to hit specials and it has enough impact that it can stop them doing their thing
The special shells really help sell each into a niche
Kantrael has an incendiary shell that does good crowd control vs hordes. Lawbringer has a horizontal shot spread shell and the Agripiina loads a slug, iirc
I think the key thing is their ability to control mixed crowds
marsh gyro
Trying to use shotguns more, can y'all give me any advice?
Their chokes are dynamic and the spread really tightens when ADS
Special rounds cover most crowds and ADS primary covers scab/dreg mooks
marsh gyro
That's because the revolver rules
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On paper, they have a good leg up of 100 damage over the Stub, but in practice, it feels kinda like I'm just plinking at enemies
marsh gyro
Shotguns also rule but it's a more personalized fiefdom
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...actually, it could be I'm viewing and using them incorrectly
Viewing them as Big Boy Busters in the same vein as the revolvers
heavy geyser
You can load/fire a shotgun in a panic easier than a revolver
drowsy vine
Revolvers have perfect accuracy, no falloff, better armour pen values and intense headshot multipliers
marsh gyro
So base damage is a thing, then armor penetration is a thing, then finesse scaling on weak spot and crit is a thing, and revolvers have higher finesse and penetration values in exchange for way less ammo
cloud hazel
revolvers are baby bolters
drowsy vine
You're comparing a sniper rifle to...well, a shotgun, basically
cloud hazel
they're high-value AT annihilators
heavy geyser
the revolver always has the brass dump part of reload where shotguns can load and fire, and each time they load one shell and send it it counts for reapplying "when ranged is empty" talents
marsh gyro
Shotguns have the dual fire modes for versatility
cloud hazel
the shotguns are generally intended for working unarmored targets
cloud hazel
that too with the duckshot rounds
marsh gyro
Important question: are you using shotguns/revolvers on Zealot or Veteran
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Zealot
Haven't unlocked them on Veteran
...or literally anything good besides Stub and the Katachan sword
God I hate low level in this game, it feels so awful
heavy geyser
Slam firing reloads from empty keeps giving you Emperor's Bullet
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Regardless
marsh gyro
Veteran uses them extremely differently as a mid range DMR or as a melee supplement while Zealot is all about that close range 25% ranged damage node
heavy geyser
If you want a nice magic formula, get a Kantrael and put Flechette on there
marsh gyro
Zealot charge can bust armor good in a pinch
heavy geyser
i'll show you what Zealot Kantrael shotgun can do
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Guessing they're meant to be practically melee range?
heavy geyser
no no no
you can work midrange with them
Here is what incendiary shells with bleed blessings and a crit build can do to a crowd
marsh gyro
Zealot's only ranged damage buffs are the 25% close range damage node at middle top and momentum stacks from bottom right which is why they're closer (15m and under) on Zealot
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Video won't play for me
heavy geyser
All of the pellets individually critting count towards activating Fury
marsh gyro
Veteran can stack left side finesse damage and long range damage to make very potent midrange groups
Indirect Zealot ranged buff is crit build because crits rule
heavy geyser
When its not using the incendiary shell this shotgun can punch through hordes to stop Trappers from netting teammates and it can knock Ragers on their ass
heavy geyser
It's good special management through a horde
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When its not using the incendiary shell this shotgun can punch through hordes to...
Right, right
heavy geyser
Oh yeah its called Deck Hand Shotgun, I copped it a while ago thinking, one day I might be a shotgun liker, and I'm gonna wish I had this skin
and lo and behold, foresight
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Man
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I wish I had been playing this game sooner
Now I gotta wait around for the good cosmetics to show up again
I'll give Kantrael another shot, you've sold me on it
heavy geyser
It's my favorite of the three
But that's sort of like, the Use Case for its specialty shell
standard shells punch very hard and don't get stopped on fodder enemies
marsh gyro
Kantrael's primary fire is real nice because it can one shot gunners on a good weak spot hit and two shot ragers
heavy geyser
so you can do crowd management from anywhere
I have felt like the blurn damage sort of competes with my eviscerator, which turns a crowd into Chants rather than sawdust, but it's a really reliable gun
Great against big guys too
like beasts and plague ogryn
marsh gyro
The blurn principle also works great as gunlugger Ogryn
heavy geyser
Also in that video, pay attention to this icon
one shot preps a ~50% crit rate increase thanks to blessings, and then the second shot with the crit boost makes this number Go Up Very Quickly
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Do y'all know how dodging works exactly
Getting real fucking tired of trying to dodge only to budge an inch for Reasons
brave kestrel
Each weapon has a separate dodge distance modifier and also a dodge count. The dodge count is how many dodges you can use before their effectiveness decreases immensely.
Dodge distance is generally better with lighter weapons and always better with melee over ranged
marsh gyro
Weapons have dodge limits you can view when inspecting the weapon and usually you need at least 50% mobility to hit full dodge allowance
cloud hazel
once dodge count is used up it doesn't restore til a few seconds have passed
brave kestrel
Mobility and Defence stats both affect dodge counts iirc
Some ranged weapons (revolver, laspistol) have decent dodges too
quiet escarp
Help I've been playing shield Ogryn so long I no longer know how to use any other weapon
I feel like I just get shot to pieces and can't stagger anything
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you only need one second
threshette (they) ↩️
drowsy vine
Notably that's double what it takes in Vermintide
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Oops, All Psykers
Went pretty decently too surprisingly
...until we got poxbursters spammed at us
God I hate poxbursters
marsh gyro
Help I've been playing shield Ogryn so long I no longer know how to use any othe...
Have you tried the bully clubs combined with a ripper gun
drowsy tusk
Can opener ripper and the club that looks partially made of steel cable, charge, boxes and fnp for skills is my go to currently for big O
blissful sparrow
seconding can opener ripper and mk3 club, that setup rules
absolutely melts monsters
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Hate to ask, but later on could someone help me out with running some higher level missions so I can level my Veteran faster?
split mantleBOT
we'll be on in a few hours, sure
marsh gyro
Yeah a couple of maelstroms should help the XP printer machine
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Thanks, appreciate it
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I have been using Kantreal
I am slowly falling in love with it
Especially because I'm actually using it like a shotgun and not like a revolver
I just wish it didn't sound so
Flimsy
Like it's made of plastic
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Side note, how do I mod the game? Wanna use Extended Weapon Customization.
Make myself the perfect Big Iron
marsh gyro
Side note, how do I mod the game? Wanna use Extended Weapon Customization.
The instructions are pinned because they're helpful!
#1159883850562932826 message
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Thanks Clem
split mantleBOT
we're around now if you two are @regal pendant @marsh gyro
marsh gyro
Having some internet issues, will hop on shortly
split mantleBOT
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@marsh gyro sorryh, our,,, like, everything crashed all at the same time
marsh gyro
It's okay I think my Darktide doesn't want me to play
split mantleBOT
😔
marsh gyro
I'll try the ol' turn the router off and on again trick
split mantleBOT
we'll still be around to play, but some other friends asked us to vc, so we might not be around for voice
just ping us whenever
split mantleBOT
help
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we're around now if you two are <@673384122076364850> <@214630836027260939>
Shit, sorry, was playing Vermintide
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...god I wish I had access to the chainaxe right now
None of Veteran's other melees really gel with me for some reason
I know the Catachan swords are REALLY good, but I just... kinda don't enjoy them
marsh gyro
Do you have access to a folding shovel
regal pendant
Not yet, I'm only level 8
I only have access to the basic shovel
Which is fine enough, but it feels kinda piddly
marsh gyro
Standard-issue shovel does everything but carapace so goes good with krak nades
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Don't get me wrong, the visual of beating the shit out of legions of Nurgle cultists with naught but a simple shovel delights me endlessly, but it feels Not Great
...though maybe my issue was the shovel had dogshit level 1 stats...
cyan depot
Yeah a lot of weapons feel bad with low stats
marsh gyro
Chainsword at level 10 should set you good for a good while
drowsy vine
Yup
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...yeah it 100% was a case of bad stats giving me a terrible first impression
This rules
brave kestrel
shovel is an excellent crowd control bonkstick
not a massive killing machine, but it does the job and staggers like nobody's business
genuinely my favourite veteran melee weapon
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Plus it's funny
Which is an automatic W in my book
Keep your lousy chainswords and warp blades, keep your crummy chainaxes and eviscerators
Me and my shovel here will do just fine
heavy geyser
The only weapon that you can also dig a small hole with.
regal pendant
Well, you can dig holes with just about anything given enough time
It's just the shovel makes it easier than, say, a lasgun
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What manner of warp trickery is this
distant surge
without my glasses that looks like a spoky mean monster
drowsy tusk
It won’t load and the results are amusing to me
drowsy tusk
Nope
distant surge
dang
drowsy tusk
At work, connections kinda shit
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Finally unlocked the power sword
This feels so fucking good
It's nice having a weapon I actually enjoy using
heavy geyser
the previous owner was not ready to let go of their armor yet
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I have obtained Cool Coat and Cool Pants
split mantleBOT
what's that coat from? 👀
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Penance
Really easy one too, it's just "restore 7500 toughness with the shout ability"
Which I mean, 7500 is a pretty decent amount, but I literally just let myself get shot at, shouted, waited for it to recharge, rinse and repeat
Shit was mad easy
drowsy tusk
I have obtained Cool Coat and Cool Pants
Damn you got the same hair face and tatts as my zealot
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Holy smokes, it's Sienna Fuegonasis, from the hit horde shooter game Vermintide 2
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Question regarding Kantrael, is +damage to unarmored and +damage to flak armored my best bet for bonuses?
heavy geyser
are you doing the blurn thing?
with flechette?
unarmored and infested gets you both kinds of horde
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Not yet, haven't gotten Flechette yet
drowsy tusk
<@&1042950387478560878> wanna tide??
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Who up tidin on they darks
heavy geyser
flak lets you gut shot maulers and scab ragers
twilit cradle
we could tide
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flak lets you gut shot maulers and scab ragers
And scab gunners, right?
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Aye
It's nice having an option to just send them flat on their asses
...god I wish so fucking badly we could use their giant chainsaw axes
They'd go so hard on zealot
heavy geyser
I want the 2h chainaxe so bad
drowsy tusk
more big 2 handed stuff in general would be great
no 1 wishlist item is powerfist tho
regal pendant
Oh yeah, more Big Boy Melees would be nice
Hammer and eviscerator are all we have at the moment, I yearn for more huge weaponry
drowsy tusk
and the croncher but yea
regal pendant
Let me use the ogryn's melees on the other classes
I want to beat the everloving shit out of my foes with a comically large shovel as a veteran
drowsy tusk
@regal pendant you wanna join me
twilit cradle
darktide's servers are exploding
split mantleBOT
keep trying that mission
maybe we'll get to accept in the five seconds we get in the mourning star
drowsy tusk
fear
drowsy tusk
darktide's servers are exploding
rip servers
twilit cradle
brb need to check laundry
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<@673384122076364850> you wanna join me
Sorry, was already playing with another friend :[
And I'm taking a break for now
drowsy tusk
All good
marsh gyro
Yeah I run that kit with my helbores
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I do quite like that long coat but everyone and their mother is wearing it, and there's just something nice about a regular leather jacket anyway
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Oh this poor drop ship lmao
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...I just did what is possibly the smoothest brain shit I have ever done in this game
Trapper trapped a teammate, I rush over to get em up and pass the trapper and figure "I have time, she'll run off and circle back"
She did not, in fact, run off and circle back
brave kestrel
...I just did what is possibly the smoothest brain shit I have ever done in this...
the smoothest brain shit you have ever done in this game so far
we all have smoothbrain moments
heavy geyser
She did not, in fact, run off and circle back
cyan depot
lmao
drowsy tusk
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What's the optimal range to use a Kantrael shotgun at?
The pellet spread makes it feel really swingy in terms of damage at range
cyan depot
Which one is the kantrael shotgun?
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The highest damage one with Dragon's Breath alt fire
mortal crystal
The pellet spread makes it feel really swingy in terms of damage at range
It's meant to be a close range option IIRC
It can knock enemies on their ass at range if you ADS, but it's not going to be as good as killing them as the slug
cyan depot
It does out to pretty decent middle range on ADS
But yeah I’d say 10-30 meters maybe?
drowsy tusk
And you can@spam down trappers and snipers and the like if you’re willing to fire a whole tube into the void
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Right
marsh gyro
What's the optimal range to use a Kantrael shotgun at?
If it's too far to line up a good ADS weak spot hit, load a fire shell and ADS because the fire ticks will do more than the shell will outside 15m
brave kestrel
pulled off my first clutch in 400hrs just now
very pleased with myself for not panicking too much
brave kestrel
I did do a bunch of clutches back when I played vermintide
but clutching in darktide is a very different experience
bc you can't dodge dance most things
heavy geyser
Were there Sniper or gunner pack equivalents in Vermintide?
brave kestrel
Ratling gun
No sniper equivalent, but there were three disablers where dt has two that permanently disable (mutant just damages really)
But generally less ranged enemies and being able to dodge dance everything made it easier ish
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Ratling gun
No sniper equivalent, but there were three disablers where dt has t...
Ratlings only ever spawned one at a time usually, though, unless you got STUPENDOUSLY unlucky
But even if more than one spawned you could just duck behind cover, wait for them to get bored, and then pop em
heavy geyser
gunner swarms are maybe the most dangerous thing in this game
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Unless you're a bubble psyker with Absorber 4 on yer force sword
heavy geyser
when the director decides, you know what, I'm in a gunny mood
cloud hazel
gunner swarms before they patched out knockback were somehow enviro hazards as well as just straight up 'kill you dead'
regal pendant
FUCK your dumbass bullets, I'M the one in control here
heavy geyser
my dream, my rules
regal pendant
Exactly
regal pendant
It is stupidly satisfying just giving gunners the middle finger as you absorb their rounds and dodge into cover
...anyone else though, yeah, gunner swarms are fucking awful
Or snipers
brave kestrel
I love suppression immunity for that reason on vet
regal pendant
Just in general
brave kestrel
just, fuck you gunners
regal pendant
I love suppression immunity for that reason on vet
Same, that shit is so nice to have
heavy geyser
snipers you can at least react to the zhooup before they fire
cloud hazel
snipers you can actively dodge yeah
gunners you just sort of have to not exist in sight of
heavy geyser
whenever I hear the trapper sound, no matter what I'm doing, I always dodge on reflex
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I mean, I know we have guns and shit to help deal with them, but like
The amount of gunners alone feels egregious sometimes
cloud hazel
i don't know what else they would do given naked hordes are non-factors
the servers would probably flop over and die to one million poxwalkers in a single wave before a single zealot would
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True
It's probably me being a Vermintide boomer and grumbling about back in MY day, specials were really special, they weren't spammed at you, you got your ratlings and your packmasters and your assassins sure but they were a big occasion, you newfangled special waves grumble grumble grumble
heavy geyser
more powerful enemies allow for more powerful player characters
regal pendant
Also true
...though they do feel more frail than Vermintide's somehow
Then again that's probably me playing wrong
cloud hazel
i mean specials being more fragile seems like you playing more right if anything
lmao
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No the player characters lmao
heavy geyser
play with me sometime I will make you immortal
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Like, it feels like I get hit with one bullet while my Toughness is down, whoop, quarter of your health gone
cloud hazel
oh
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...which has only really been an issue on my Veteran, still getting used to this melee/guns build
cloud hazel
yeah Veteran is made of tissue paper
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I'm goddamn near invincible with Psyker thanks to all the Toughness DR I can get, and Zealot
Well
cloud hazel
it's primarily a class thing, Zealot is extremely chonky
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Is Zealot
...god it's fucking stupid how tanky my melee psyker is, I love it
I genuinely thought I'd be struggling to make this work above malice but no, I'm tearing shit apart and it's my new favorite build
heavy geyser
the build I like to run has a lot of teammate support talents
the other half of it is a Crit Machine that generates +100 Toughness overheal and the 30% TDR every ~12 seconds with access to a large horde
it makes the team very hard to kill
cloud hazel
Veteran needs to put a lot of points into saving itself with stuff like Iron Will but Shout alone makes your team borderline unkillable
Shout also stacks with Chorus iirc so
having 200 bonus regenerating overshield is pretttttyyyyy good
heavy geyser
it rules, you can't die
soft summit
I'm too aggressive to play a Veteran
heavy geyser
the best way to handle a clutch recovery situation is to simply never let it happen
soft summit
I like killing people with hammers
drowsy vine
Veteran's biggest weakness is something the game never tells you
spiral badger
shitty stamina regen
cloud hazel
the combo of shout and chorus also gives you massive uptime on 'oops we made a fuck up but I pressed F'
'so we win'
drowsy vine
Which is +50% damage vuln while sprinting
regal pendant
Which is +50% damage vuln while sprinting
...whar
drowsy vine
Never sprint in combat as vet or you explode
spiral badger
all the characters have hidden damage mods based on state
cloud hazel
yep
drowsy vine
Psyker also takes more but it's a less drastic modifier
spiral badger
ogryn and pskyer I don't remember exactly but it's more of a mixed bag
cyan depot
Psyker is iirc about the same as veteran
Or at least functionally similar since you’re somewhat squishier
regal pendant
Wait but if Vet is so frail why does it have so many melee boosting talents
heavy geyser
even on vet your melee is your primary
regal pendant
Including an entire capstone centered around switching between melee and ranged
cloud hazel
but I think even just at a baseline veteran has lower health but somewhat higher toughness than a zelly or psyker
maybe about equal of both with psyker
ogryn isn't worth comparing for obvious reasons
cyan depot
Wait but if Vet is so frail why does it have so many melee boosting talents
You just don’t sprint in melee with them
Means you’re more “stuck” in combat
drowsy vine
Yeah, vet can just dodge an it's fine
cyan depot
While zelly can just be like “fuck this” and sprint away from some people
heavy geyser
Zealot also only has like, three ranged-centric talents
cloud hazel
in my onion my play on most classes improved when I stopped sprinting mid-combat anyway
tbh
blocking and pushing is really good
heavy geyser
so sprinting is a lot more important to a zealot than a gun liker
cyan depot
Yeah I play mostly psyker so I just don’t sprint much in a fight
drowsy vine
The basic idea is that Zealot can pick and choose their fights better
Where Veteran picks their fights by shooting everything in the head
cyan depot
Virtually all of my unexpected deaths come from ignoring that
cloud hazel
the fail-block animation is usually followed by me getting chunked for one trillion hp
so I'm a bit more wary about what I spend my stam on these days
marsh gyro
The fun part about melee veteran is they can't shoot you if you sprint at them at mach 1 with a catachan knife at 80% mobility because they're swapping to melee (||except gunner gunners, they'll just shoot you||)
brave kestrel
I need to be more careful with stamina usage tbh
and/or run the 'dodging ranged fire gives back stamina' talent more
spiral badger
also ultimately you have to get used to fihgting in melee with all classes
nobody gets to just shoot forever
regal pendant
Man
spiral badger
fundamentally everyone has to be capable of fighting off things with melee
regal pendant
I ought to run knife sometime
marsh gyro
and/or run the 'dodging ranged fire gives back stamina' talent more
It's surprisingly powerful!
regal pendant
It seems fun
spiral badger
because no matter how you play at some point you will get stuck in melee with Stuff
and not understanding how to manage that will kill you
brave kestrel
it is
I've been not using it bc I've been getting penances for the other two capstones
but I need to use it more
marsh gyro
It seems fun
It really picks up good if you synergize the talents
regal pendant
What's the absolute fastest you can get in this game anyway?
Like, the most breakneck speed possible?
Cause I'm kinda tempted to run a sprint speed build just because I think it would be funny
marsh gyro
It's speed on crit Disrupt Destiny Scrier's Gaze Psyker with a knife by far for burst speed, I call it Psyonic the Hedgehog
regal pendant
Lmao
cloud hazel
ADMIN HE DOING IT SIDEWAYS
marsh gyro
Huh - today I learned, dueling swords have same run speed as the knife
cloud hazel
duelling swords also have the very funny scream run trikc
where you just run around charging heavy attack and sprinting to boost your speed
spiral badger
knives do that too
but thhe knife lunge is significantly longer
so it's faster overall
cloud hazel
yeah fair
marsh gyro
Yeah the Mk4 dueling sword is all forward thrusts on heavy for peak mutant stabbing
cloud hazel
otoh sword itself is obviously longer
spiral badger
sword is better than knife onn psyker as a whole
cloud hazel
i like knife just fine personally but i do like psyker getting their own elaborate fancy shchmancy swashbuckler thing
so i use it just for that
spiral badger
there's an implication at least some of the psykers are former nobility
so they know how to use the stupid dueling weapons
marsh gyro
Dueling Sword gets Shred and more crits always rule
spiral badger
loner psyker in particular has a lot of lines that imply that they used to be fairly high up in class prior to the manifestation of their powers
cloud hazel
kim katsuragi psyker also just seems like he would be trained in stupid duelling swords because that's just what you learn at cop school
regal pendant
That makes me wonder how Dreamer psyker knows
Did the Emperor just beam the knowledge into their head
spiral badger
but presumably they must have been someone fairly important
or someone would have murdered them long before now
cloud hazel
they're the only person who exists so every weapon they can see can be operated
instruction via solipsism
regal pendant
or someone would have murdered them long before now
No no, clearly it's because everything is just their dream
They can't die, you can't kill someone that's dreaming you
cloud hazel
yeah they're the protagonist of reality
cloud hazel
liars
regal pendant
Or is this like an MMO dream
They go to sleep and spend the night playing Darktide
regal pendant
Did the Emperor just beam the knowledge into their head
Side note, it's so weird that all the other characters are so mundane and then there's just "Oh yeah they have a private telephone line to the goddamn Emperor of Mankind himself"
Or... something, anyway
It's gotta be more than just a delusion, Dreamer psykers talk about Necrontyr sometimes
Which absolutely nobody but a select few would know about
brave kestrel
100% the emperor is talking to some of the psyker voices
no way their beloved is anything else
brave kestrel
he's probably doing it for the laughs
heavy geyser
cuz at the end of your zoomies you can open up a can of soup
I have been tinkering with a stealth momentum rev it up chainaxe zealot
and its very funny to just annihilate a crusher
regal pendant
he's probably doing it for the laughs
Someone mentioned that the personality seems in line with TTS Emperor once based off the responses from the psyker, and tbh I gotta agree with them
heavy geyser
I don't like not healing my team though, it feels better to know someone is healing so its hard not to bring the usual build
cloud hazel
the corruption cleanse passive?
heavy geyser
I only run the corruption passive because its how the things I want route
cloud hazel
both for protecting myself but also keeping my team constantly topped-off with that +100
heavy geyser
but with the new gas grenade guys it has a lot more utiltiy
cloud hazel
oh that's extremely true actually
you take a lot more chip corruption than you used to
heavy geyser
before it was like, healing dogs and grimoires
and you can dodge dogs easy
the left side aura is a lot better but all the chants with the +30% TDR make up for that
I'll show my whole build so you can see what I mean
cloud hazel
it was very funny watching the grimoire corruption bounce up and down infinitely
heavy geyser
I value the few ranged traits so I don't have the budget to swing sideways a lot
so I just take the corruption aura for efficiency
but green gas makes it a lot more useful
I want to pick up Thy Wrath Be Swift but I don't know what I'd give up to take it
brave kestrel
I love vet shout
but I have a soft spot for kill stance based on how funny it used to be (fire a bolter down a hallway, have your ult back instantly)
cloud hazel
I really don't get what I'd run kill stance for nowadays
invis rez and shout's... everything are just so strong I don't even know where I'd say 'yes, this gun wants kill stance'
regal pendant
That one fan the hammer revolver
cloud hazel
that one I also run shout on