#dark tidings (Darktide for people in the searchbar)
distant surge
drowsy tusk
Understandable and good choice
opaque crown
dawn totem
Always a good excuse to come back.
tough compass
Yes
distant surge
@drowsy tusk Big hero me!
drowsy tusk
👍 good
lusty kelp
I love ogryn. Incredibly fun.
split mantleBOT
got a 379 revolver from the regular shop, upgraded to gold, and got crucian roulette 3 for the nth fucking time
at least we have a neat new gun from it!
distant surge
i love the ogryn
"just change creed so it says sparky is nice!"
then the zealot explains what would have to be done
and then the ogryn says "ok which ways is terra?"
kind kindle
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1361210/view/6659209897476424376?l=english crossposting this here too
marsh gyro
This is a really cool update overall with some nice bug fixes
I'm confused why they nerfed momentum zealot when it seemed least popular and the rest seems all right
limpid zinc
?? they nerfed momentum zealot?
lmfao
i dont see anything abt it in the notes
oh inexorable judgement word
mortal crystal
Oh those Hab Dryko tweaks are unexpected and welcome!
tough compass
Increased stagger threshold for Crushers, Bulwarks, Plague Ogryns and Chaos Spawns.
I guess no more repeated uppercuts to Plague Orgyns
opaque crown
Looks like they made bulwarks a bit less invincible from the front but made them tougher to compensate
limpid zinc
lmao the playerbase is RUSTY
dawn totem
Like riding a heretic-slaying bike.
tough compass
Hmm thought they said a crafting rework was coming with this update
Yeah, same
marsh gyro
Hmm thought they said a crafting rework was coming with this update
March update on what's coming next said crafting rework is after the penance rework with no estimated time of arrival beyond "in 2024"
marsh gyro
they feel a bit meatier
What class are you playing?
limpid zinc
knife zealot still
i wasnt really watching the healthbar closely or running any mods that would give me an idea of numbers but monstros lasted a lot longer and we had to move through more of the level with them on our tail, in a reasonably stacked auric team
it could just be rust tho
either way, the game feels more intense on auric than it did like two months ago and i like it
spiral badger
monsters don't feel any tougher to me
distant surge
where are my auric buddies?
soft summit
Anyone wanna dark tide?
distant surge
i have really good names
lusty kelp
My ogryn is Pinky.
drowsy vine
grob
heavy geyser
big book
opaque crown
i saw in the patch notes that bulwarks are easier to flank but have more health or something
slender shell
Yeah no longer has a 180 degree forcefield
limpid zinc
I still hit their shield from behind so ymmv
spiral badger
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1c66hs6/martyrs_skull_puzzle_and_location_info_collection
split mantleBOT
we're doing runs right now if anyone wants to join us
oh my gods. first a 379 and now a 380
also, speaking of said 379, it's working extremely well
actually <@&1042950387478560878> there's a good maelstrom on rn that we could use people for
marsh gyro
I can log on for that in five
drowsy tusk
split mantleBOT
this is our new best pistol
cyan depot
Omnissiah that looks like it was mugged by rogue machine spirits
distant surge
Who's to say 17 is not a rogue machine spirit
heavy geyser
that shoulder stock should attach where the current grip is, the shape at the front of it is a second grip
This is for two-handing the wheelgun
lapis jetty
marsh gyro
I spent a couple months getting used to play without the Vet aura by being on like three zealot 1 Ogryn teams and so I got eased into it
The nerf is real for sure
quiet escarp
After playing a little bit I think the Ogryn nerfs are pretty fair, the toughness gain reduction doesn't feel that noticeable but the stagger reductions/stagger resistance buffs on crushers and monstrosities is definitely a hit
The shield heavies now don't quite permanently stagger lock crushers and it means I can't just shove packs of them around
tough compass
Does the scavenger nerf mean it's worth taking other auras on vet?
marsh gyro
Does the scavenger nerf mean it's worth taking other auras on vet?
Before, you'd be looking at 100% ammo regen times 4 players for about 400% ammo on a normal Damnation, or about 8 big ammo bag equivalent; I'm only about a few games in post-nerf and it seems about a third to half of the throughput - still noticeable at three to four big ammo bag equivalent and not too big a loss if going move speed or damage
opaque crown
i have enjoyed the ogryn right side buffs
makes gungryn feel a much better overall
my shield gryn still feels like my main man as vtide ironbreaker main
but its fun to be able to bring firepower to the table
also my main play group most often is 2 zealots and a psyker, so often are lacking a little bit on the generalized ranged firepower
split mantleBOT
<@&1042950387478560878> come kill people with us
glass marsh
Be there soon:tm:
opaque crown
Today is another day where I struggle to let myself use the bolter lol
split mantleBOT
@glass marsh you coming?
marsh gyro
I'm liking the part where the new little destructable heretical idol bits result in 900-odd Plasteel on a Quick Play Damnation instead of 700
distant surge
heals
tough compass
That might be enough for a high-health Orgyn
glass marsh
drowsy tusk
being purged is dumb im outta here
distant surge
I Like how you picked Bob for your name 
ur like a baby ogryn!
distant surge
<@&1042950387478560878> 
anyone up for a game?
i dont wanna go through the final 3 levels by myself
wait a minute...that's the traitor 
cyan depot
That’s actually the traitor after the last cutscene too if you look closely
distant surge
distant surge
done
drowsy tusk
Thas a feller
heavy geyser
Saw a pretty cool fit just now
cloud hazel
bronze gull
I think 17 runs a similar look on their vet
split mantleBOT
exactly the same except the pants
marsh gyro
how good is this?
Mk3 bully club is really good and hits really hard - get a toughness blessing and a power blessing like Thrust and it hits everything good
marsh gyro
Yeah that one will carry you through Damnation especially if you get adhesive charge on it
Penetration stat can be better on the next one you get
cause that's what i got
marsh gyro
It's tough to proc when you need it because you have to get the kill with it and it's a nice bonus
drowsy tusk
Adhesive+brittleness is my go to
heavy geyser
Is there a reliable way to get Flechette blessings or is it just "consecrate trash guns and pray"?
split mantleBOT
consecrate good guns and pray
cloud hazel
Is there a reliable way to get Flechette blessings or is it just "consecrate tra...
i can say a reasonable approximation of a rosary
tough compass
I primarily use Melk's store to buy level 4 blessings
heavy geyser
or at least be in the 3/4 pool
cloud hazel
you get one (1) bleed perk
yeah that's the even weirder part
normally unique perks like surge or power cycler are 3/4
heavy geyser
You need to consecrate low-rating green or grey guns to have a chance to roll it
I consecrated a few like, 350 guns and got 3s and 4s
inscrutable design
I want to put it on a Kantrael shotgun with the fire shells
drowsy vine
You need to consecrate low-rating green or grey guns to have a chance to roll it
You actually can't consecrate to get it at all
By design, consecration only offers rank 3 and 4 perks once you're 30
Gotta wait for it in the shop
drowsy vine
Yes
marsh gyro
Melk sometimes sells it too
slender shell
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/22/take-tertium-from-the-console-to-the-tabletop-in-warhammer-40000-darktide-the-miniatures-game/ apparently there's a board game coming?
split mantleBOT
lusty kelp
https://www.tumblr.com/mcnostril/748471391559499776/i-have-not-had-a-chance-to-t...
Flawless.
distant surge
i like to act like a silly ogryn would 
cause i feel like it makes people's day better
i feel good about that
people seem to have so much fun when i do that
lusty kelp
Me too
My wife and I play together as a Psyker ogryn duo of Pinky and the Brain and honestly some randos seem goddamn elated
distant surge
that`s cute
split mantleBOT
<@&1042950387478560878> going to be doing some runs while we get laundry done if anyone's interested
glass marsh
I'm game
split mantleBOT
permanent 
drowsy tusk
split mantleBOT
we'll be on in 15-20
opaque crown
im actually super pleased they released an elysian drop trooper skin set
opaque crown
cyan depot
oh these are cool
olive tusk
hype as HELL..
opaque crown
im not ashamed to say i got both the ogryn and vet immediately
dawn totem
I like to mix and match cosmetics
opaque crown
i wonder if we havent gotten a melta gun yet because they're not sure how they want it to perform mechanically
soft summit
Oh these are gonna look great with the Scion helmet
drowsy tusk
soft summit
They do look great with the Scion helmet
distant surge
<@&1042950387478560878> anyone thinking of giving this a try alongside me? 
this one is rough
only scabs
lots of armor
distant surge
is this good enough?
marsh gyro
That's a really good shield to bless up
Anything 360 and over is usually plenty functional enough for Auric if you gold it up
distant surge
Good to know 
thank you
heavy geyser
The kantrael shotgun is so cool, it feels like a fresh new way to come back into this game
It slots into my bolter build really neatly and benefits in a lot of similar ways
Sainted Gunslinger's melee and impact boosts trigger when you empty a shotgun after reloading just one round and firing it
distant surge
i got a new hammer!
soft summit
What's the best Veteran Gun atm?
quiet escarp
What's the best Veteran Gun atm?
Probably the plasma, though the inf autos are still very good though harder to feed without scavenger.
marsh gyro
What's the best Veteran Gun atm?
Veteran has the most guns and their performance varies wildly based on your spec and what melee you have so use the gun of your dreams
Bolter, shotguns, revolvers, headhunter autos do great single target, infantry autos and braced autos do great versatile work, recon lasguns are burst DPS, plasma gun is plasma fun
Helbore lasguns got their bayonet buffed a while back so they're easier to use in more situations, goes great on middle tree Vet
quiet escarp
Yeah most veteran guns are in an alright place right now. Shotguns and recon lasguns are probably the worst, the recons especially don't really do anything well unfortunately
They just don't have the DPS to compete with anything
marsh gyro
Yeah most veteran guns are in an alright place right now. Shotguns and recon las...
Have you tried the Mk7 recon lasgun? It's got punch through compared to the Mk6 and Mk2
I build it like so to be a hipfire machine
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b86cc7f-e410-48f4-a7be-217d73799ff9/wm1-veteran-head-bopper
spiral badger
the recons are weaker this patch though
because the ammo consumption got extra crippled by the survivalist nerf
tough compass
I think I tried a crit build to take advantage of that one ammo talent. I do not remember how effect it was lol
spiral badger
like that's the actual issue with the recons, they have completely trash ammo efficiency
quiet escarp
They also have terrible Crit stats, both chance and damage iirc
spiral badger
also it's incredibly annoying that the crit las thing is so far downn the left tree
because the only build that can really really use it is weapon spec/laspistol
tough compass
Yeah, that part is annoying
heavy geyser
I did some key rebinding coming back to darktide and I figured out a way to set buttons to do dodgeslides consistently, which I always had a hard time with putting crouch on ctrl and dodge on space
I moved crouch to the B key, which is where my thumb naturally sits on the spacebar, so when I hit space to dodge if I reach up a bit to also press B I get the timing for dodge slide. Jump is on ctrl.
heavy geyser
Also put a new fit together
distant surge
gun
cyan depot
drip
marsh gyro
I moved crouch to the B key, which is where my thumb naturally sits on the space...
I wound up doing similar though different - crouch is on mouse 4 (weapon special mouse 5) and jump on B, dodge on space, so the crouch dodges can be done with space and crouch
heavy geyser
I had thought about something similar but I put special action on mouse4 and grenade on mouse5. I experimented with crouch on Alt so I could thumb swipe that end of the spacebar but being able to hit both actions without the swipe has been working out really well. Ergonomic efficiency optimization is a lot of fun
drowsy tusk
I’m down
drowsy tusk
yipee
heavy geyser
Its on the third page of Hallowette's store right now
Last time I played I remember an all-red variant of this coat but I pop on and there's a black coat red lining version set to disappear with the next pack
You can buy just individual pieces from the cash shop kits
distant surge
oh wait...gets turned into a servitor after lvl 30!
heavy geyser
morning, atonement unit
heavy geyser
how do you get that coat
The pants really do a lot of work selling that coat and the ones I have are the shell-toes you get for throwing a stun grenade 40 meters and hitting a sniper. they're nice and baggy and black.
heavy geyser
y'all!!!
cyan depot
noice
heavy geyser
heavy geyser
Testing out the flechette + scattershot + crit fury + kantrael incendiary shell build, one flame shot crit cooks a whole horde.
I'm excited to try it on proper big hordes
grave talon
is that a mod or a new weapon?
distant surge
It's been here for a lil while
heavy geyser
its a skin for the shotguns
marsh gyro
Recon lasgun trip report - Mk7 heavy recon still rules on Weapon Specialist, goes good with a power sword; Mk2 and Mk6 are scary efficient on left side focus and stance vet since Infernus Headhunter keeps on winning with a splash to right side for brittleness on hit and 10 stack rending
I then put on a Columnus Mk5 on the same left side build and moved Shock Trooper point to super crates and was doing double the burst damage so that was a laugh
split mantleBOT
<@&1042950387478560878> anyone up for some runs?
drowsy tusk
sure
grave talon
its a skin for the shotguns
Thanks
olive tusk
for the record i may Potentially be around for tide
split mantleBOT
eighttttttttttttttttttttt
eightthirtythree (she/her) ↩️
come play games with usssssssssssssssssss
olive tusk
gotta finish this piece of reading first but! after that! perhaps!
shouldnt take too much time
split mantleBOT
split mantleBOT
we'll hop on in a minute
split mantleBOT
@olive tusk @olive tusk @olive tusk cmooooooooooooooooooooooooonya
olive tusk
i'm gonna be 10/20, gimme a feww
split mantleBOT
ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
so saddddd,,,,,,,,
so alone,,,,,,,,,,,,
distant surge
split mantleBOT
abandoned,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
distant surge
now i've been abandoned
split mantleBOT
?
distant surge
i'm following your advice 
i was actually trying to think of a clever joke but failed to think about anything that would be funny
split mantleBOT
wait, do the puzzles just,,,, not open up on lower-level missions?
we tried to search through hab dreyko for the thing but we couldn't find it anywhere
distant surge
@marsh gyro i require your wisdom
this is my current lasgun 
and idk...i've been having a harder time on it than i remember
ya know any other lasgun that could fill it's roll?
marsh gyro
Try a Kantrael Mk1a with No Respite (damage on stagger) and Falter (ignore 90% of stagger resist)
distant surge
aight
marsh gyro
That's still a real solid mk 1a
distant surge
neat
heavy geyser
If you can stagger a crusher will it interrupt their instant kill wind-up move?
heavy geyser
I've been re-tinkering with my Zealot build and I'm trying to ascertain if I can actually stop a crushing before I step into the death box
I'll show you my build you can let me know if it seems feasible
or rather
hold on
spiral badger
zealot can absolutely do it with the right talents and weapons
the Crusher is good for knocking over crushers
heavy geyser
Bolter was my Crusher crusher but since I'm on the blurnsball kick I need a new plan for a swarm of big boys
I moved some talents around to pick up Hammer of Faith for +30 impact and I can use Emperor's Bullet on an empty shotgun for an on demand +30 impact to break their poise? Is this animation indicating I would halt the death rock?
spiral badger
yeah that's a stgager
but you will need to test it on an actually overhand in the field
because sometimes they get stagger resist on their big swings
heavy geyser
I also have the mandatory +30 Impact on 3+ enemies hit from the bottom left side branch but I feel like Crusher encounters are often approached cold
distant surge
ok
melk is selling me this
i`m tempted
i got it
i already have a shotgun but i dont care
drowsy tusk
That is a real fuckin good one
drowsy tusk
<@&1042950387478560878> tide tide
drowsy tusk
idk ping us in a bit?
how long is a bit
split mantleBOT
idk we're slightly spinning out of control
i think we have hit "240p compression weed" again
drowsy tusk
i think we have hit "240p compression weed" again
420p lol
marsh gyro
It turns out for Fury Zealot that the "crit gives you fury stacks" node counts for every pellet in the fire shotgun and for every hit with its bazillion cleave so you get to 25 stacks for 25% bonus crit really fast, it's both super high damage over a round and kind of wants reload speed because you're essentially reloading every single shell
heavy geyser
welcome, comrade
to the good life
I was running Sainted Gunslinger on this gun and a full fast reload is nice but loading a fire shell eats the stacks so it felt like I only got value out of it after a fight
the emperor's bullet procs if you swap to an empty gun, load one shell and fire it, though, so you can use it to get free on demand aspd and impact
I moved the point I had in Sainted Gunslinger to the +30 Impact talent instead and it feels like it enhances the gun's enemy gimmick interrupting power
drowsy tusk
<@&1042950387478560878> b
split mantleBOT
b
cyan depot
b
split mantleBOT
give us 10?
drowsy tusk
heck ye
cyan depot
sorry I should clarify I'm not actually free until later this evening but wanted to type the funny thing at work
drowsy tusk
b
drowsy tusk
marsh gyro
For The leopard printeror
drowsy tusk
heavy geyser
its nice to see zubaz pants survived to the 41st millennium
novel grotto
anything to make this better?
marsh gyro
That's really really good
marsh gyro
Shattering impact goes nicely with Gets Hot
spiral badger
Or gloryhunter
novel grotto
cool i'll go with shattering impact. it was 3k melk bucks, worth it!
twilit cradle
@drowsy tusk uploading
split mantleBOT
fluid jungle
1403137641
split mantleBOT
heretic shipmistress brahms moment????????????????????
brahms you're great but saying this without context to all the rejects is a bit sus
@drowsy tusk where are you
i think we're gonna head out
drowsy tusk
i back
split mantleBOT
:(
drowsy tusk
i wanted sandwich 😦
limpid zinc
I moved some talents around to pick up Hammer of Faith for +30 impact and I can ...
aim your rev strikes at the head
hushed glade
You can't be a heretic and a rogue trader at the same time don't worry
soft summit
Rogue Traders are also uh
Kinda sovereign from even Inquisitors
They kinda do their own thing
(Plus Grendyl is on her ship, she can boss him around)
spiral badger
assuming he is even on her ship
limpid zinc
grendyl be a zoom boss fr
mans phones it in on his weird corpse like three times a year to say some shit he stole off the speaker from a conference he went to about leadership and leaves the rest to zola and friends
dawn totem
As He Who Sits Upon the Throne of Terra says, "Remember to operationalize your core competencies within an achievement-based eco-worksphere in order to exploit the blessed synergy."
heavy geyser
aim your rev strikes at the head
Does landing a shot to the head make it easier to trigger the stagger attack interruption?
limpid zinc
Depending on how you built an evi you can probably just ice them in two revd heavies too
heavy geyser
I'm finding the vertical routes easier for getting the most single-target damage, rev heavy 1 feels like it likes torsos like the mauler's
i don't remember the specifics but my eviscerator is built for cleaving hordes and whichever one increases crits on consecutive hits
potent vault
I have accepted that I will be waiting a long time for a darktide ps5 port
marsh gyro
I've been doing Momentum Zealot on a lark for the penances and I realize now the momentum cut from 20 stacks/8s to 15 stacks/6s duration is actually a buff because it means the 30% momentum toughness refresh happens 33% more often which really is a fair bit of durability
If you're schmooving then 6s is plenty time to build up 15 dodge stacks and it goes real good with autopistol and thunder hammer
limpid zinc
I'm finding the vertical routes easier for getting the most single-target damage...
you might try the other evi then, the one with vertical heavies
heavy geyser
I like the one I have, thank you
limpid zinc
you can try aiming a little higher too, for the tippy top of their head, which helps a lot when im running the knife with horizontal heavies
distant surge
<@&1042950387478560878> auric or maelstrom anyone
opaque crown
i dunno what it is about the other evi that hs teh vert hevies
but it feels slower to me
heavy geyser
but it feels slower to me
It is slower, it's more straightforward at the cost of speed. The old eviscerator has a lot of cool combo routing into and out of horde/single target routes, the new one is mash to sweep, hold to chop. I've heard someone say it's one of the Vermintide guys's moveset, but it's definitely a lot simpler than the mk. II
marsh gyro
New eviscerator has a quirk that it'll only ever hit 4 dudes at a time regardless of cleave so it's worse at crowds
heavy geyser
it do hit hard though
mk. II routing is a lot more fun though
it's a really well-designed weapon
marsh gyro
Max Impact Zealot with Impact blessing Thunder Hammer should be experienced at least once
distant surge
i dont have impact blessing but i do have this
marsh gyro
That's a nose booper alright
opaque crown
2 modes, "vermintide 2 hammer" and "fuck this one guy in particular"
heavy geyser
one thing I miss about hammer build is booping the off button on a beast of nurgle
distant surge
<@&1042950387478560878> are there no other brave rejects willing to join us?
heavy geyser
I thought at first I was gonna hate the gas condition but I kinda like fighting the amped up guys
Ragers seemed to run faster in the gas.
heavy geyser
oh yeah, i saw this person in the mourningstar. Is this a glitch or a hack or a mod?
cyan depot
looks like a texture loading glitch
cyan depot
<@&1042950387478560878> anyone available? I'm coming out of hibernation
drowsy vine
the emergerrr
heavy geyser
oh you're in the prize closet
drowsy tusk
<@&1042950387478560878> anyone available? I'm coming out of hibernation
Me am
drowsy tusk
heavy geyser
double ogryn. only thing better is three ogryn
tough compass
I wonder if Sefani (the training psyker person-thing) will ever be a mission handler (I was surprised to see here with voice lines in the morningstar)
dawn totem
Finally got my sniper Zealot look down 🔥
marsh gyro
Headhunter auto zealot is surprisingly beefy
dawn totem
She's carrying all that stealth
I tend to like to mix and match my cosmetics as opposed to buying a whole set.
marsh gyro
There's so many great combos
dawn totem
I know. So great when a look just clicks.
I just reworked a couple of Veteran builds too. I'll post them.
Look for my Sniper Vet that can just wipe whole groups of ranged heretics
My more stealthy look for when I want to get up close and personal.
And for fun here's an Assail Psyker look that I'm kind of proud of
brave kestrel
I need to get back into darktide now that the penance update is out
blissful sparrow
its been real good yeah
hunting for secrets around the levels is awesome because you just find stuff that you havent seen before
@heavy geyser and i found a jumping puzzle in an auric last night and managed to complete it while fighting off hordes, its super rad
brave kestrel
Are there secrets in levels now???
marsh gyro
Are there secrets in levels now???
They put a hidden skull in each level
Finding them for the first time gets you 100 plasteel and helping someone find them the first time also gets you 100
spiral badger
and 4 hidden green idols to shoot
split mantleBOT
do they move around, does anyone know?
i don't think we've seen one in the same place twice but we also haven't been paying much attention
heavy geyser
the secret puzzles are really cool. the two we've found so far have been like mini escape rooms
blissful sparrow
we also found the start to one, but couldnt figure it out before we figured we'd rather not hold up the teammates
marsh gyro
do they move around, does anyone know?
The little green heretical idols are in different hand placed spots each run, the martyr skull puzzles are fixed
heavy geyser
What's fun about the puzzles is so far both of the ones we completed are impossible alone, you need two people to coordinate them
But they were two-person in different ways
heavy geyser
Got real excited for a moment
marsh gyro
Good news is there will always be more weapons
heavy geyser
My Mk II Eviscerator is nearly perfect, except that its Mobility is low enough that I lose a dodge
So I've been on the hunt for a neatly-perfect saw with 51%+ mobility
marsh gyro
Oh yeah it's really tough to get good rolls like that because not only do you need the high rating you're angling for the same dump stat
It's probably about 300k dockets at Brunt's for a couple turbo good bases and that's a decent chunk of missions
heavy geyser
You only gotta get lucky once
lusty kelp
Finally got my sniper Zealot look down 🔥
This is (holy) fire
drowsy tusk
<@&1042950387478560878> play darktide?
marsh gyro
Heck yeah
drowsy tusk
split mantleBOT
bronze gull
that is a gorgeous shotgun skin
tough compass
My problem with the puzzle (well, I've only done it so far) is that they really break up the flow of a run
But maybe that's just the prison block one
marsh gyro
The co op ones take a while yeah
split mantleBOT
we made it with the custom weapon mod
hamblergher (he/they) ↩️
tough compass
The co op ones take a while yeah
It also involved backtracking. Whereas if it was one or two people split off and move forward in parallel, it would feel better
heavy geyser
The prison one definitely kinda needs two people too. The gimmick is ||when you press the Signal button at a door, the corresponding light comes on at the buttons, so having someone there to see the lights turn on speeds it up a lot||
tough compass
Yeah, my issue with that one was the backtracking
distant surge
run
regal pendant
...fuck me, why are the bots in this game so useless
Their AI was fine in Vermintide, what on Earth did Fatshark change
brave kestrel
I think there’s a lot more for bots to consider compared to vermintide. It may be what they didn’t change rather than what the changes they did make adjustments.
regal pendant
That's true
brave kestrel
Like cover, many more ranged enemies,
It’s also probably why theyre all veterans. Basic kit is easier to make bots for
regal pendant
In other topics, there any melees y'all would recommend for Zealot?
drowsy tusk
Hard to go wrong honestly depends on what you want to do with it
cyan depot
yeah nearly all of them are either good or at least functional
thick rivet
They're all functional, I am partial to the eviscerator and heavy sword
dawn totem
There's a bit of leeway with Zealots. I've got a pretty effective sniper/knife build.
regal pendant
Wanting something that'll feel like Vermintide 2 combat
Heavy attack, block, bash, dodge, repeat
...though I am growing partial to the Eviscerator
dawn totem
Be great (might not happen) to drop in an Eldar just to have bow and arrow combat. Or would those be shuriken shards sticking out of enemies?
regal pendant
Feels more fluid
marsh gyro
In other topics, there any melees y'all would recommend for Zealot?
If you use the zealot charge ability it makes your next hit vs armor more effective so you can use whatever and boop good
If using chorus or shroudfield then you want something good vs armor like a chain or thunder weapon
regal pendant
Be great (might not happen) to drop in an Eldar just to have bow and arrow comba...
God I wish we got a Darktide-like game but with xenos
Votann, Eldar, Tau, Necrontyr...
dawn totem
God I wish we got a Darktide-like game but with xenos
An Aldari themed Darktide game would show them being even more desperate than on Atoma. And probably their mission structure would be off the wall because they're based on Farseer dreams.
regal pendant
Could have the Imperium be the bad guys though we all know that's as likely to happen as a Bloodborne PC port
God can you imagine the shit the Tau could get up to?
Just turns the game into Titanfall
marsh gyro
Firetide
dawn totem
Ork Darktide is just Helldivers 2
regal pendant
Know what else I wish could happen
dawn totem
With even more friendly fire
regal pendant
Helldivers spinoff where you're playing as one of the "bad guy" factions
Instead of being a horde shooter it's a tacsim game
Automatons seeking to free the cyborgs, cyborgs seeking their freedom, bugs just looking for more biomass, aliens trying to figure out what the fuck these guys' collective problem is
marsh gyro
Votann, Eldar, Tau, Necrontyr...
What's a Votann
marsh gyro
No wonder I didn't recognize it haha
regal pendant
Lmao
Anyway. Darktide.
Running the revolver as well, seems fun
If somewhat limited in the ammo department
marsh gyro
Revolvers are great for solving armor and proccing reload talents
bronze gull
They're also neat anti-sniper and light spec tools
Love popping bombers and the like with it
split mantleBOT
the original revolver is surprisingly good at hordeclear if you can catch them in a chokepoint
it has infinite (or near enough infinite) pen on mooks, just shoot about head height and about parallel with the ground and you can kill 15-20 people in a few shots
the only thing that starts stopping it is ogryns and mutants, wethinks? we'd have to double check
tough compass
Revolvers are great for solving armor and proccing reload talents
Do you still have to empty the clip for reload abilities or did they undo that change?
regal pendant
Is it worth using it over a Bolter?
Cause I was kinda considering getting one
If nothing else than because "haha funi spess muriine gun go BOOM"
marsh gyro
Revolvers have less uptime per reload than a bolter and are quicker to handle
Bolters do own
marsh gyro
Yeah it's worth fiddling around in the meat grinder to get a feel for handling/ performance vs armor types when trying a new weapon, can be less a shock than a live test
regal pendant
Wish I didn't have to drop 8 grand on a weapon only to realize I dislike it and sell it for not even a fraction of how much it cost me
"Oh, wow, this thing is a piece of shit. Time to sell it for 400 bucks... when I got it for 4000..."
spiral badger
i mean you mostly don't?
marsh gyro
During the leveling process at least you can coast on whatever emperor's gifts you get that have big numbers, everything is pretty impermanent until 30 and if you need another version of the one you like then Brunt's armory has you
spiral badger
just buy a crappy version and give it a test
most weapons aren't going to Hugely Change
if it sucks against armor as a crappy grey it's still going to suck as a full power orange
marsh gyro
Stuff that has a Stability stat does get steadier with a bigger stability stat but since each stat caps at 80% and it's 80% of a per-weapon fixed range it's less a variance it seems
marsh gyro
...speaking of, how DO I get gear with actually okay stats?
The only stat you need to pay attention to is base item power which is the sum of the five stats and listed by them - once you hit level 30 all gear will drop with a base power between 300 and 380
Anything over 350 is well rounded and can take you through threat 5 easy as a keeper
cyan depot
...speaking of, how DO I get gear with actually okay stats?
get to level 30
Don't sweat stuff too much on the way there just try out new stuff
tough compass
On Zealot I like Revolvers over Bolters a lot. It's really nice to whip it out mid-melee and kill a specialist. I don't like how unwieldy the bolter is when I'm being stabby
regal pendant
Don't sweat stuff too much on the way there just try out new stuff
That's fair
regal pendant
The only stat you need to pay attention to is base item power which is the sum o...
Ah, just like Vermintide
marsh gyro
Do you still have to empty the clip for reload abilities or did they undo that c...
Yeah you gotta hit zero to get the zealot buffs
heavy geyser
...though I *am* growing partial to the Eviscerator
The mk II eviscerator has some fun combo routing. If you'd like notes I can share some, otherwise its fun to discover organically
I learned about its combos literally the day the mk XV dropped, which does not have combos in the same way
also I'm currently singing praise for the kantrael shotgun on zealot
its got great power and utility
tough compass
Which one is that one?
heavy geyser
it has the big damage number and the incendiary special round
on a crit fury zealot it can activate fury basically on its own in one or two shots and then the crit boosts make it a crowd mulcher
its high stagger is also great for managing special enemies
since it blows through crowds its easy to deactivate trappers, gunners and dogs
and when flechette stacks with an incendiary shell it does a lot of DoT to a lot of guys
all in all a great and humble gun
regal pendant
...oh, joy, they kept the "you get however much health the bot you're replacing had" mechanic from Vermintide
Spawned into a mission with like
50HP
heavy geyser
new cosmetics in the shop are "what if all classes wanted to cosplay a zealot"
where I guess the previous set was "what if everyone wanted to be a veteran"
marsh gyro
Which one is that one?
A nice one looks like this:
#1159883850562932826 message
heavy geyser
crit blurn damage activates after your first shot punches through a bunch of guys, then the rest do this to hordes
regal pendant
...you can slide backwards?
marsh gyro
Yeah it's easiest to do if you rebind crouch, dodge, and jump to separate keys
heavy geyser
I have crouch bound to B and dodge on Spacebar and I press my thumb across both to get dodge, then crouch
heavy geyser
the slide gives you more distance and also keeps you safe from bullets
It's also fun
regal pendant
And I'll definitely look into that shotgun as well, seems fun
Though I might keep my six shooter
...or, well, five shooter, as it were
heavy geyser
Do you have the aimable one of the hammer fanning one?
regal pendant
Aimable one
The one I have at the moment just beats the shit out of people for its "special move"
Not much of a special move, anyone can pistol whip a fool
heavy geyser
That's a reliable gun
regal pendant
Y'all know any good ways to get a ton of Ordo Dockets real quick?
There's two pieces of gear I wanna get but they're like 30,000 Ordos apiece
lusty kelp
That’s a fairly small amount I think? Can probably get that quite quickly playing err damnation I think is the sweet spot?
Malice is too low and too variable, the one after that is awful, so difficulty 5 I think it is
regal pendant
Right
I guess I'll just have to hope I can find someone to carry me
Cause I'm still only level 14ish
regal pendant
Thanks Cyan
I mean I'm sure I can carry my own weight, it's mostly just
My weapons are going to do precisely Fuck and All in terms of damage methinks
cyan depot
Yeah
heavy geyser
You can sell items from your inventory holding X on them
cyan depot
I’ve been in that position for my ogryn a lot
regal pendant
I mean I have like 400 hours in Vermintide 2, I know how this combat system works more or less
heavy geyser
Including unwanted curios
regal pendant
You can sell items from your inventory holding X on them
Oh I know
I've just been spending it all on new weapons to test out
regal pendant
I mean I have like 400 hours in Vermintide 2, I know how this combat system work...
I mean it does feel different from Vermintide's combat, but not by a huge amount, mostly just "why am I randomly dodging three inches"
cyan depot
Yeah some weapons have trash dodges
regal pendant
Oh do they?
That's kinda silly
Guessing the big chainsword is one of those weapons
cyan depot
It helps to have well geared “damage carries” for when you’re low level for high level missions
cyan depot
3-4 hours unfortunately
cyan depot
Sounds good
marsh gyro
I mean it does feel different from Vermintide's combat, but not by a huge amount...
Weapons have a dodge limit and that limit refreshes after 1 second of not dodging; if you exceed dodge limit your dodges get real tiny
cyan depot
Oh no
regal pendant
Right, I have given the Kantreal shotgun a go
I... think I enjoy it?
I'm so used to whipping out my sidearm and popping someone in the head that the reduced range and slower draw speed is fucking me up, but I think I enjoy the CC
heavy geyser
I think if you ADS the pellet spread is tighter. I'm able to pop snipers with mine
There are a few guns that don't really shine until the higher difficulties where more enemies spawn at once, and I think the shotguns are among them. The flamethrowers too.
There's a lot more value in the cone of fire a shotgun does when there's like 100 guys in that cone instead of 10
marsh gyro
Yeah Zealot can one shot a lot of elites with a Kantrael weak spot hit while ADS if you have the 25% close ranged damage node
cloud hazel
shotgun overpen number could be either 1 or infinity
I've never been certain of how many guys you can actually blast through at once
marsh gyro
It has to do with the shotgun has a fixed cleave number and mooks tick it down by their hit mass amount til it goes to 0
Like if shot cleave is 5, a groaner is 0.5, a poxwalker is 1, and a scab melee guy is 4.5 then you can cleave 10 groaners, 5 pox walkers, or 1 scab plus 1 groaner
Melee cleave also can't hit more dudes than the move set does
cloud hazel
I also have that one perk that ups cleave on crits which makes things even more confusing
marsh gyro
The data miners have the weapon cleave numbers and I can't find the data or know any of the real numbers besides the fact the cleave on a plasma gun is 100 which means it can shoot like 200 groaners
cloud hazel
firing shots into a crowd of poxwalkers during carnival pt 2 missions and suddenly having half the crowd disappear was pretty funny though
regal pendant
That does sound fun lmao
cloud hazel
this was on the shotgun with the mastiff horizontal line spread too
heavy geyser
Since I've been running the blurn shotgun I've had cases where I pump rounds into a horde and someone will pop the "zealot's out of control" voice line
heavy geyser
just from the gun
regal pendant
this was on the shotgun with the mastiff horizontal line spread too
Wait, the Kantreal has Mastiff-style spread?
marsh gyro
Wait, the Kantreal has Mastiff-style spread?
Nah it's the Lawbringer alternate shell has the horizontal spread
cloud hazel
yeah
there's a shotgun with a mastiff spread alt-fire, one with a slug alt, and one with incendiary shells
regal pendant
Ah, I see
heavy geyser
The Kantrael's fire shells are particularly useful for the specific build I have, that jacks up crit rates and uses a hard-to-get blessing to apply bleed DoT on crit
So it applies double DoT
I think all the shotguns are pretty good
cloud hazel
yeah they all seem to have pretty solid niches
i'm not super huge on any of them but they're all plenty workable, it's absolutely just a playstyle thing since I usually run knife
heavy geyser
I was running a bolter build before, I could give you some notes if you want to try that out on Zealot, Wamly
It's really good but also sort of a tight niche
marsh gyro
Looking at the code LUAs for the weapons to find the cleave values is enlightening - three guesses which shotgun shell is this:
For those that want to do a deep dive on the code this Steam Discussions thread has a breakdown on cleave and what to look for:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1361210/discussions/0/4139438416067210864/
regal pendant
I was running a bolter build before, I could give you some notes if you want to ...
I tried it, it feels kinda terrible
Really slow and clunky
Which, like
It should, frankly, it's a fucking bolter designed for space marines and sororitas
marsh gyro
Pressing F to zealot charge and unloading the entire bolter from the hip in the charge is peak darktide
heavy geyser
There's a few key skills you need to make bolter work. Like, it's an overbearingly powerful gun and you need to rise up to meet it
The top middle trait that does increased damage can help you kill three crushers per magazine
cloud hazel
i find bolter far more accurate from the hip than from ads honestly
heavy geyser
sainted gunslinger and the emperor's bullet, in the middle cluster, enable you to flow between bolter time and melee time. 10 stacks of sainted gunslinger make the reload time somewhat normal, and since the gun will be empty a lot you can swap back to melee hot with emperor's bullet.
cloud hazel
my trigger discipline is good enough if i want a single shot i can get a single shot and it's better than dealing with the ant butt-hair of a post sight it has
heavy geyser
i think those three skills are really necessary to wrangle a zealot bolter
cloud hazel
this also tracks with how i build my bolter on vet as well
cloud hazel
the ergonomics of the gun are extremely bad baseline and improving them with your perk budget goes a long way
heavy geyser
the other trick is: if you route thru Blades of Faith, tapping grenade when you weaponswitch replaces the long bolter draw animation with a much faster knife throw, and then you can get to boltering
cloud hazel
vet has worse handling perks but tac reload + reload on elite kills is a huge speedup
basically mandatory imo
heavy geyser
having blades of faith is handy for taking small headshots on specials or finishing off a mostly dead guy, since your ranged slot is occupied by a monster
but its mostly really useful for canceling the draw animation
regal pendant
I run the thermite canisters, but if I do go Bolter Blades of Faith seems good to have
cyan depot
Me I love bombs more
regal pendant
What are your opinions on lamp oil and rope
cyan depot
Knives are not in the holy trinity of bolter, flamer, and melta
cloud hazel
the bolter also takes wacky amounts of flinch so if you're under fire from dreg gunners having a one-button answer is extremely important
heavy geyser
i swapped back to fires when i tailored my bolter build for shotguns
but i do miss erasing crusher and mauler packs
regal pendant
God
cloud hazel
bolter shouty vet is as close as it gets to cosplaying as ripley in the loader
heavy geyser
tap Q, throw knife, clear hallway
cloud hazel
get off my psyker you bitch
regal pendant
I can't decide between revolver, bolter, and shotgun
On one hand, shotguns are stupid cool and great for mowing through trash mobs
On the other, revolvers fucking OOZE style
On the third that's definitely not a mutant hand, commisar, I swear, bolters are... well, bolters
heavy geyser
the good news is: you can create build loadouts!
regal pendant
Cool by virtue of being "Giant Fucking Gun"
spiral badger
genestealer! blam blam blam
cloud hazel
revolver zelly is extremely powerful and also extremely cool
cyan depot
On the third that's definitely not a mutant hand, commisar, I swear, bolters are...
How many arms does the god emperor have‽ 🔫
regal pendant
genestealer! *blam blam blam*
hisses and skitters off with your pants
spiral badger
regal pendant
heavy geyser
does the second arm kinda being there count as "having" it?
regal pendant
How many arms does the god emperor have‽ 🔫
However many he wants
cloud hazel
revolver is another quickdraw 'delete ranged special' tool which is so so so crucial on zealot
heavy geyser
revolver quickdraw erase feels great
cloud hazel
chop chop chop through some poxwalkers, see gunner, swap click swap gunner dead
back to choppin
heavy geyser
but at times it feels like it can get outpaced by quantity of heads
regal pendant
Like I'm the Arizona Ranger just popping Texas Red in an instant
heavy geyser
I want to like the fan the hammer revolver
cloud hazel
it's a halfway point between the bolter as a pure power weapon and something like the auto and shotguns
spiral badger
that's why the best revolver build is weapon spec vet imo
reloading is for other people
cloud hazel
i find fanning revolver works better with vet talents
trickshooter hand cannon and the sniper talent tree lets you do your best high noon impression
and scavenger is important for not losing your entire ammo economy
spiral badger
weapon spec vet with the normal revolver is great bc the weapon spec "reload 3% of your mag per stack" talent always rounds up to at least 1 shot
so you can just reload the entire revolver in 6 kills
marsh gyro
Big fan of Bolter Vet, if you take stand and bang left side stationary stacks and rending and Surgical blessing you pretty much can 1 tap anything and 2 tap maulers and crushers
spiral badger
never reload manually again
heavy geyser
i find fanning revolver works better with vet talents
yeah I feel like I don't have anything to feed it
cloud hazel
yeah
regular revolver is already pretty greedy with ammo
the fan fire is shockingly accurate to far range but even then there are some ranges you reaaaaaally want that ADS
heavy geyser
a cool shotgun fact: reloading and firing a single shell counts as emptying your gun for proccing Emperor's Bullet mele attack speed and impact buffs
marsh gyro
Trickshooter Speedloader braced revolver works really good on Disrupt Destiny Psyker
heavy geyser
so if the shotgun is empty you can keep loading one shell and getting melee boosted
and that includes special shells
cloud hazel
the special shell buff across the board was so good for this kind of playstyle
iirc they had to patch it so it would benefit from reload buffs
brave kestrel
https://vxtwitter.com/bfleuter/status/1597267897453146112
My psyker is called Jeanne-Steeler
cyan depot
Can't hop on with you, Cyan
No worries I am also feeling tired!
heavy geyser
god there's a chainaxe with receipts on it
cloud hazel
couldn't even take the tags off it
tough compass
None more pure
distant surge
early darktide hours
split mantleBOT
<@&1042950387478560878> anyone up for some games
marsh gyro
I can Friday tide a bit
drowsy tusk
Blessed snubby
split mantleBOT
marsh gyro
Turns out this web site here for calculating damage breakpoints also lists cleave values for each weapon attack which is really educational:
https://dt.wartide.net/calc/
There's a toggle for turning weapon special on which is relevant for chain weapons and power swords; power sword normally has 3.6 cleave on lights and 8 on heavies and powering it up sets both to 11.7; Wrath blessing is kind of cool because at 5 stacks it makes your lights 12.6 and heavies 28 and that's like a powered hit every non powered swing (powered hits jump to 40 which is as many as four tens, that's four crushers!)
regal pendant
THE WRISTFUCKER
You shoot it ONCE and EVERY bone in your arm shatters into powder
...how did you change its appearance like that, though?
drowsy tusk
It’s a mod also that’s not a super crazy snubby barrel, a lot of 38spc/357 revolvers have 1.5 inch or less
regal pendant
Is there any difference between the Mk IV Assault Chainsword and the Mk XIII Assault Chainsword?
drowsy tusk
Attack patterns I think and some stats
marsh gyro
Yeah the Mk XIII has turbo single target heavies while the Mk IV has crowd control heavies
heavy geyser
it is a powerful choice
regal pendant
LMAO I JOIN THE MISSION AND IMMEDIATELY GET MET WITH THIS
That's fucking funny
Shit, free money I guess
heavy geyser
oh whats up, fellow Callista
regal pendant
Lmaoooooooo
regal pendant
Just did a melee only penance
God that was awful
On the bright side, I got cool new drip
split mantleBOT
<@&1042950387478560878> anyone up for some chill runs?
glass marsh
sure
split mantleBOT
just going to be hanging out, really
signal current
cloud hazel
they really changed the fanning revolver huh
I'm pretty sure this thing used to be full auto?
brave kestrel
Don’t think it ever was? Not that I can remember
marsh gyro
I'm pretty sure this thing used to be full auto?
There's a mod to make it full auto and default behavior is semi
marsh gyro
Now that's a good roll I think
This'll get you started in the big leagues
regal pendant
It's already doing me good in Heresy difficulty
heavy geyser
chop em up
regal pendant
Got that one blue armor set for Zealot
Worth the money tbh, I think it's quite lovely
heavy geyser
Post a shot of your fit
marsh gyro
Got that one blue armor set for Zealot
The one with the candles? It's super cool
lusty kelp
I dipped my toe back for a normal damnation level and I’m relieved to say I haven’t completely forgotten how to play this game
The sheer tankiness of my ogryn build no doubt absorbed no small number of blunders on my part though
white portal
Ogryn means safety
marsh gyro
Still the Best
regal pendant
Lmao the entire team except me went ogryn
heavy geyser
time for the field trip
regal pendant
I am now level 30
Fuck yeah
Now I can go take on the really high paying missions
marsh gyro
Bonus points if you manage to get 10% ordo dockets on all 3 curios
regal pendant
I should go and get that, actually
...I need to find better curios tbh
Mine are acceptable, but I need better than that
marsh gyro
The breakpoints for tippy top curios are 75 power for +3 stamina, 77 power for +17% toughness, and 78 power for +21% health, and 80 base power is the max; anything over 70 is fine for a long time because it's a 1% toughness or health difference
regal pendant
Right
Guessing I wanna go for Toughness and Health as a Zealot
What else should I try to get?
marsh gyro
+1 wound, +toughness, +health is a generalist curio set that can keep you set a long time
heavy geyser
There are certain Zealot builds that like to have more wounds but they're real specific and having health to protect with your toughness is an important consideration
marsh gyro
The perks are pretty much all do what they say on the tin and the don't-wanna-think combination is to refine on +5% health and toughness on each curio and just keep the best perk you rolled
regal pendant
Right
heavy geyser
What kind of Zealot do you run?
regal pendant
Mk. XV Eviscerator melee
Mostly focused on CC and dealing with large amounts of trash mobs
I do run a boltgun and Sainted Gunslinger for big fellers
Trying to enjoy it, mostly because I love the concept of it, it's just getting used to that snail speed draw time
marsh gyro
Good news is eviscerator + bolter works good with any of the middle or bottom tree combos so you'll be in a good spot no matter the build
regal pendant
Nice
I probably spread myself too thin, but I mean I have a capstone and have it upgraded so eh
I just wanted a bunch of those passives
marsh gyro
Yeah as long as you have a fleshed out capstone your tree generally works at 30
regal pendant
I'm boring, I just went for Fury
cloud hazel
most non-veteran builds can afford to take pretty deep dives into other branches of the tree
basically all fury builds I've seen also splash for the bleed giving crit perk, etc
regal pendant
Right, right
...should probably look up a build, come think of it
I'm sure mine's fine and all but I don't reckon it's really good enough for the higher level content
cloud hazel
common sense usually gets you 95% of the way anyway
most of my builds are me cooking unaccompanied and they pass the dauric smell test
marsh gyro
I'm sure mine's fine and all but I don't reckon it's really good enough for the ...
You'd be surprised at what can hold their own on Threat 5
drowsy tusk
<@&1042950387478560878> tide time
dawn totem
I feel like Threat 3 Hi intensity is my comfort zone
drowsy vine
take a bunch of Toughness regen perks, run Martyrdom, self damage down to to minimal health, and just gun it to the end
do a mission that's gated by the end event being based on performance rather than time/a holdout
and have a 4 stack, obviously
distant surge
@regal pendant count me in if ya looking for help
marsh gyro
Magistrati Oubliette assassination was the go to for that penance for a while
blissful sparrow
yeah it's not as tough as it seems honestly, we ran a custom with 3 people and a bot and all 3 of us got it in one
mortal crystal
Other players help a ton, yeah.
Especially since it's Heresy so it's not going to be that hard
heavy geyser
pick a mission with a finale you can do quickly
martyrdom might be counterintuitive since if you run this with two wounds "less than one wound" is 49% hp compared to like, 19% on a martyr build.
its private mission only so you'll have a buddy
I think we did it on the sand level mission that ends with the broadcast button finale on the roof, the one with the big stairs?
got out at 19 minutes
marsh gyro
I did a bunch of code diving to solve the mysteries of cleave and cleave blessings and found out the following:
- shooting through a friend costs 1 hit mass
- Sunder blessing on power swords completely ignores hit mass for 4 folks then goes back to regular hit mass cleave
- shotgun Man-Stopper "extra cleave on critical hit" is technically a lie - it is actually "infinite cleave on critical hit" which is pretty cool
heavy geyser
ohhh
split mantleBOT
wait, hold on-- man-stopper still applies special effects, right?
could you just get, like, infinite hordeclear with man-stopper/flechette flame shotgun crit build?
spiral badger
yes if you have a sufficient source oc crit
marsh gyro
Usually the play is Scattershot 4 (+12% crit per dude hit up to 5x) + Flechette on the Kantrael Fire Shotgun because the fire pellets have turbo cleave already
split mantleBOT
how much more cleave do they have?
marsh gyro
If I'm reading it right the Burninating shotgun alt fire has medium_cleave which defaults to 50% of from 4 to 9 which is 6.5 which is 5 groaners, 4 poxwalkers, or 3 scabs per pellet, of which there are 18 pellets
so yeah Flechette + Man Stopper would go pretty much to the moon you just need to make up the crit chance difference
split mantleBOT
we were thinking about that on our knife stealth vet as hordeclear
we can hit basically every + crit talent and just worry about running around and stabbing people
that or we go back to our good ax,,,,, hm
marsh gyro
Are y'all using the mk3 or the mk6 knife
spiral badger
depends on my feelings
and my character
I like OG knife more on zealot and nu knife more on veteran
but they're both fine and usable on both
split mantleBOT
we've been using mk3, just because we got a good one before the mk6 came out
spiral badger
i think they work better that way because the original's fast lights synergize with the zealot's crit focused bleed stacking
while the mk6 is better for the vet since they get bleed stacking for free
marsh gyro
Trip report on Scattershot+Man-Stopper Lawbringer - this is both wildin' and wow a lot of reloading
Infinite cleave still obeys cleave rules so it gets stopped cold by carapace and by bulwark shields but otherwise is pretty great on the relay station mid event
heavy geyser
oh infinite cleave lawbringer line at head level sounds like a build
regal pendant
<@673384122076364850> count me in if ya looking for help
You down for it sometime?
distant surge
Sure, i should be free in like an hour
regal pendant
Slick
I remember seeing something about stealthing past enemies and running from hordes being effective, that true?
distant surge
I wouldnt be the one to ask
regal pendant
...tbh I might not actually do this, it seems like more of a pain than it's worth
marsh gyro
It's pretty doable in a four stack, run a auto pistol or laspistol with good mobility stat and stack health curios, spend the mission with 49% health or so and just keep stabbing your way forward
regal pendant
I don't think my gear's really good enough either
I still haven't gotten any really GOOD curios yet
heavy geyser
cut every corner you can. don't dwell on anything
go to door, open door, go to button, push button
you don't have to kill the guys, unless you do
marsh gyro
Any curios 65 and up should be pretty usable to get going - 19% health and 15% toughness are still good
regal pendant
Right
heavy geyser
oh yeah, also: it's okay if you go down and get rescued. All that matters is that most of the round you have sub-wound of health
that doesn't disqualify you
regal pendant
Whar
tough compass
lol
blissful sparrow
requackted
regal pendant
HOLY SHIT
drowsy tusk
Pen is a bit low but the damage and crit will make up for it fairly well
regal pendant
Doing a penance where I gotta stun like 1500 enemies with stun nades
God this is fucking annoying
It's just such a slog
regal pendant
Don't have anything else to do, and it's not a HARD penance
It's just decidedly Not Fun
spiral badger
just don't worry about it so much
those are intended to build up over time during normal play
regal pendant
Mostly because it's hard to get situations where I can stun a bunch at once due to my teammates playing the game properly and horde clearing
Which to be clear, I hold nothing against them for
cloud hazel
this is definitely a lot easier to do on high diff
regal pendant
just don't worry about it so much
Yeah but I want the funny Vermintide eyepatch
spiral badger
you'll end up getting points toward that one via using the grenades as intended, which is unfucking a situation
cloud hazel
where even with three other teammates horde clearing you can drown fast
regal pendant
this is definitely a lot easier to do on high diff
Yeah I only realized that recently, it's helped a lot
...maybe
I should do a private match
And then intentionally get myself killed after a while
spiral badger
someone's down? grenade and pick them up
oh shit a horde of ragers ran in and nbody's ready? grenade
etc
regal pendant
Yeah I'm probably just approaching this from the wrong angle
It HAS made me appreciate stun nades more
cloud hazel
stun nades good 👍
regal pendant
Used to think they were kinda crummy but they've gotten me out of a good few sticky situations
cloud hazel
i value instant oh shit buttons a lot in high diff
regal pendant
Like a random horde of like ten ragers
spiral badger
stun nades are still imo the best option for zealot in general
fire nades take time to work that can get you killed
cloud hazel
even without shout rez it's just so fucking good to instantly stun everything, give overshield and buy breathing room
regal pendant
Honestly I'm leaning towards that opinion as well
spiral badger
and knives are fun but not nearly as effectual on your ability to unfuck a situation
regal pendant
Napalm's nice but it's only really good for clearing trash mobs, which I can already do with my big ol chainsword
And the knives are only really useful if you have a shotgun
spiral badger
fire is effective against armor but it doesn't do much initial damage
cloud hazel
bleed can clear maulers pretty well ime
spiral badger
you have to have them Sit In It and build up burn stacks
cloud hazel
yeah fair
spiral badger
and it will eventually get 'em good
cloud hazel
probably why I favor frags
everyone loves the funny plasma grenades on vet but shredders serving as a fourth zealot player on a 60s cooldown is so good
spiral badger
frags are secretly still the best one on vet imo
spiral badger
everyone loves kraks but kraks solve exactly one problem
cloud hazel
I would maybe care about the kraks more
spiral badger
the frags solve a lot of problems
cloud hazel
it turns out that power cycler IV means you can two tap every single armored unit anyway
cloud hazel
melee anti-armor on vet in general got a lot better with chain buffs
spiral badger
bringing a plasma gun works
there's a lot of alternate options to kraks
whereas shredders are much better at again, the Unfuck the Situation Button
cloud hazel
proactive shredder grenades are also broken
spiral badger
clear the area, I need to get this bozo off the ground again
heavy geyser
fire nades take time to work that can get you killed
fire nade is the dog protection zone
very important
cloud hazel
my zealot buddy has always appreciated suddenly having free crits on everything as well
spiral badger
anyway kraks overrated
cloud hazel
you throw the stick as they charge in and they go absolutely berserk
marsh gyro
The grimperor gave the veteran 33 grenades in a 30 minute match and by golly the veteran's gonna use 'em
cloud hazel
you're god damn right
sometimes if I'm on a team with psykers, knive zellys or rock ogryn I'll just take grenade boxes anyway because six back-to-back shredders will solo
regal pendant
Holy smonks, it's Frank Horrigan, from the hit RPG classic Fallout!
cloud hazel
holy shit it's Frank Horrigan from Fallout
soft summit
limpid zinc
Used to think they were kinda crummy but they've gotten me out of a good few sti...
Strongest nade in the game
regal pendant
Eyepatch got
Worth
Honestly the whole experience has really just opened my eyes to how good regular ol stun nades are
Sure it's useful getting rid of a bunch of trash mobs, but know what's even better?
Stunning everything in a radius of Fuck You
cloud hazel
the fact that it's unconditional on everything except actual bosses
is pretty disgusting
marsh gyro
They even do like 60 damage as a DOT which adds up over 25 dudes with 300 HP apiece
regal pendant
Wait they do damage???
God I need to retool my build for them
Screw napalm, I'm giving my enemies conniptions
marsh gyro
It's 60 damage total not 60 per tick
regal pendant
Ah, yeah, I know, but the knowledge that they can soften dudes up at all is incredible
cloud hazel
yeah it's just a bennie
regal pendant
Is it accompanied by some jets
...that was funnier in my head
Fuck now I wanna listen to Elton John
cloud hazel
🫡
heavy geyser
the upper left skills are a bit weird to afford the stuns, like that first add-damage skill iirc only applies every second attack, where a first attack only activates it without spending it
it feels like the weaker branch of that part of the tree to offset the grenade
compared to Purge plus 25% effective HP or The Crit Zone
limpid zinc
right tree only gives you bleed on crits which is gear dependent as to whether that even helps
left tree gives you lots of toughness regen so you can take something like the mk6 knife, spam heavies, and be immune to the heretic's diabolical plots
middle also requires you to take a range node that is either great or nearly useless depending on your gear and playstyle, so its not like either is straightforwardly better
heavy geyser
right tree is big synergy with fury keystone builds
that's crit country
50% toughness damage reduction on crit when you're always critting
and the crits make you bleed, bleed makes you crit reinforcing loop
top right and bottom left corners are so powerful
together
limpid zinc
but it requires either taking knives or sacrificing a couple of really good nodes towards the bottom
heavy geyser
purge the unclean in the middle branch is also a huge damage boost to a lot of things that can help hit breakpoints, and the gun damage talent scales well with a lot of big damage single shot weapons that zealot likes
limpid zinc
i do run the first two nodes on the right tree but i cant free up two more to get that toughness crit one, but i also dont really feel like i need it