just being empowered to really take on heavy enemies is liberating af
#dark tidings (Darktide for people in the searchbar)
opaque crown
tough compass
Blah, too tired to play then. Sorry
drowsy tusk
all good see ya round
pale gyro
so
I may be talking to people who are well aware of this
but Explicator Zola is ||a genestealer sleeper agent right?||
soft summit
but Explicator Zola is ||a genestealer sleeper agent right?||
How do we know this again?
drowsy vine
Based on how Zola's being established via the Twins mission that angle seems extremely unlikely to me now
soft summit
Yeah
Obviously somethings up but I dunno if it's that
Side comment but Rannick is super lenient by Interrogator standards
drowsy vine
Rannick is definitely more radical leaning than a firebrand monodominant
In game dialogue implies he's not super pious either,
Which is very interesting
He strikes me as a very grounded pragmatist who feels he has an actual duty of care for those useful or close to him
tough compass
Based on how Zola's being established via the Twins mission that angle seems ext...
Yeah, it sure seems like the dark past/inner conflict stuff is related to Wolfer in some way
drowsy vine
Yeah, I suspect an old comrade or flame of some sort
tough compass
My brain went to "it's her father" lol
distant surge
he feels like
kinda of chill for an interrogator
i feel like zola's been part of the guard regiment at some point of her life, the moebian 6th was it?
soft summit
My brain went to "it's her father" lol
Or brother
soft summit
Rannick is definitely more radical leaning than a firebrand monodominant
And yeah, makes sense when you consider Dan Abnett is involved with Darktide's writing
(Dan Abnett also wrote Eisenhorn, for those not in the know)
Rannick is very much a pragmatist; while obviously he disapprove of the assassination mission, he did let Zola off the hook (aside from reprimanding her and probably keeping a closer eye on her in the future) because the goal of the mission was technically achieved
soft summit
i feel like zola's been part of the guard regiment at some point of her life, th...
We do know Zola is from Atoma
So her being a former part of the IG regiments from there tracks
soft summit
I think the whole "Zola is hiding something but even she doesn't know it" thing isn't a Genestealer thing so much as like
Inquisition stuff
tough compass
Are the Moebian Sixth from a particular part of Atoma?
soft summit
Dunno
tough compass
Hmm
soft summit
But given they inhabit a specific hive, its possible they come from that hive in particular
tough compass
Yeah, but that doesn't mean too much given how a Hive has a billions of people
tough compass
I was wondering if they are also primarily from the Torrent
distant surge
isn't Atoma like...the main planet of the system we are at?
soft summit
Also the nurgle infestation apperantly preceds the Mobien 6th's betrayal
It's been in the works for a while
It's just recently come to the surface, per se
distant surge
it does indeed! we found those weird labs and we do have 2 different factions in Atoma who united under nurgle
tough compass
Atoma is the system or sector capital iirc
soft summit
As they've been discreet about it until now (probably since they now have an actual fighting force)
soft summit
Atoma is the system or sector capital iirc
I'm referring to the Hive we're working in, but yeah
Also apperantly the Governer is up to some shit?
Which isn't too surprising but
soft summit
The Nobles are preparing for a civil war because the Governer is doing something IIRC
And Zola doesn't like the Governer
tough compass
(this was a response to @distant surge )
tough compass
No problem. It doesn't help when I don't use the reply feature lol
soft summit
Also the other hive city is apperantly also going though some shit, but it's being kept under wraps for some reason
distant surge
i see, Atoma being like the system's capital just adds to the reasons as to why they targeted it 
soft summit
Yeah
If the Governers palace is there it's only natural it would be the target
We also haven't met the Inquisitor himself yet
Or like
Seen him
At all
distant surge
is he even around? he could be someplace else
soft summit
Aside from a vague message via a servitor at recruitment
limpid zinc
Also the other hive city is apperantly also going though some shit, but it's bei...
Chaos Hive, coming 2026!
distant surge
it wouldn't be the first time they sent the Interrogator on their own to do a job for em
soft summit
is he even around? he could be someplace else
We know he wanted to send a secret message via a rebel dish
We don't know what was on the message or where it was going, nor do any of the handlers
But that's all that comes to mind
limpid zinc
At all
he uses a servitor to speak to a bunch of rejects in the post-tutorial cutscene
oh wait u said tyhat
soft summit
he uses a servitor to speak to a bunch of rejects in the post-tutorial cutscene
Yeah, that's it though
limpid zinc
lol, lmao
distant surge
and a new hive city could mean new enemies so that makes me excited
soft summit
And the shape of the face shifts so we don't know what he looks like
Since its like a hologram face iirc
distant surge
probably like a nerd
also, it's kind of funny how we are using a Rogue trader's ship
tough compass
That seems incredibly common for an inquisitor lol
soft summit
On paper yes
In reality the Inquisition is basically all about what weight they can throw around
tough compass
Why do they never comandeer an Imperial Navy or merchant fleet vessel lol
distant surge
cause is not as fancy 
soft summit
Because Rogue Traders have nicer ships probably
Both in function and actual armaments
tough compass
I guess a RT ship is also allowed to be in more weird places, generally
soft summit
Also that yeah
Also RT benefits more radical inquisitors
Since RT are less likely to question weird shit
As they too are generally into weird shit
distant surge
funny weirdos
what are the other ordos again? we are in the hereticus one
since we kill heretics 
soft summit
Xenos and something involving daemons
distant surge
i thought hereticus dealt with daemons too
distant surge
we just happen to run into daemons sometimes?
soft summit
Also keep in mind just because you're in an ordos doesn't mean like
You don't deal with other stuff
tough compass
The demon hunting one is also the psyker hunting one right?
soft summit
If you're in Xenos and encounter a Daemon cult you deal with it
And vice versa
Ordos are less strike groups and more political factions/affiliations
tough compass
The demon and heretic hunting ordos makes sense because not all heretical cults involve demons
It just happens to be the case that they do in the 41st millenium
soft summit
Yeah
tough compass
Ordo Malleus the demon one
soft summit
There are also lesser Ordos
tough compass
Oh, hereticus is the rogue psyker hunting one. My bad
soft summit
Like ones involving Time (that may have accidentally retconned themselves)
tough compass
There are too many minor ordos
tough compass
Ordo Aegis - Remains vigilant over the Cadian Gate
Didn't do an amazing thing there
tough compass
Also, lol
Ordo Originatus - Tries to uncover the mystery of the Inquisition's origins.
Ordo Redactus - Tries to keep the history of the Inquisition classified.
soft summit
However I also enjoy making good guys and Inquisitors are kinda hard to justify as good guys even in the best case scenario
Being secret police of a hyper-fascist state
tough compass
I think you could have an arc where they become increasingly cynical about the Imperium
pale gyro
I mean it's important to remember that they could have good intentions
like, they are still dealing with giant evil space demons that want to eat your heart
cyan depot
~~Side comment but Rannick is super lenient by Interrogator standards~~
I’m a little late so a lot of this has been discussed now but the rules are also pretty relaxed for people on the “Inquisitor Track” since initiative is so important for them
So “whoops audacious mission which was of genuine value but out of step with the ranking interrogator’s longer term strategy” isn’t worth much more than a reprimand anyway imo
The minor ordos also annoy me haha - they should be conclaves augh
soft summit
Fair
drowsy tusk
<@&1042950387478560878> dark tid
dawn totem
The Tides! They Darken!
white rover
Ogryn laser weapon that runs off a car battery that he chucks at the enemy once it's empty
blissful sparrow
I'll take 10
alpine needle
What if Ogryn, but two shields 
dawn totem
Waiting for Orgry's to be handed out Ork Choppas.
alpine needle
That would be a dope skin
marsh gyro
I'll take a skin for the frag bomb blitz that makes it the Captain America shield
heavy geyser
the capital I factorum was the only one to survive the fallout of the Horus Heresy intact.
lusty kelp
Are laspistols good on veteran?
(I assume almost nothing beats Plasma - I mean more along the lines of "Can they be fun and competitive on Veteran?")
lusty kelp
Wait, really? I was under the impression it was far and away the best
What's the best? And then, I guess the question is - which Laspistol version should I go for?
hushed glade
There's no "best" but I think right now most builds run Columnus Autoguns
spiral badger
i think the plasma is the best veteran gun
but honestly most of them are at least runnable
so it's not a big deal
you just have to build to the strengths of the weapon
hushed glade
I don't think there's really any "bad" weapons in the game
If you get a good roll you can take anything into the highest levels of play and be alright
As long as you know how it works and you get a feel for it
marsh gyro
What's the best? And then, I guess the question is - which Laspistol version sho...
The new Kantrael Mk 10 is less ammo efficient and punches harder so you need less left side support with it so it's my pick for mid or right side vet
The old laspistol shoots faster and forever and so it's great with left side vet
drowsy vine
For my part I think the Columnus is severely overrated
drowsy tusk
gimme bandanna
drowsy vine
It's good but people are proppng it up as a god tier super murder gun
And it's just not
spiral badger
it has a good balance of high fire rate to damage per hit
which makes it good on a lot of setups
but as a gun by itself? It's fine
drowsy tusk
And it's just not
morning briar, hows the new year going so far
marsh gyro
Columnus Mk5 is good for running up the bullets fired statistic which is the most important one
The Accatran Mk7, Agripinaa Mk1, and the Agripinaa Mk8 braced all punch through good which works real nice for me
marsh gyro
What's really funny on vet is running a bullet hose gun with left side stance because the hip fire gets super tight
drowsy vine
I'll stan the Mk1 as the best of the inf autoguns
lapis jetty
marsh gyro
Nice, that's a big iron
uneven field
(Dan Abnett also wrote Eisenhorn, for those not in the know)
also late to this but I was gonna say. Rannick reads very much like a (pre-Thracian Atrocity) Ravenor-esque Interrogator. Not dogmatic to the core, not necessarily radical, just.. pragmatic and efficient. very much an Abnett character.
he's not your friend and he's not there to be nice, his goal is to get the job done. he's just not the usual Imperium-brand of soulless cruelty about it so he doesn't chuck lives away if he doesn't have to.
lusty kelp
He also seems to care about his subordinates to a certain degree, as does Morrow.
(I thought Morrow was written to be downright insightful in the recent Zola communique)
uneven field
Yeah. From what I've experienced of Abnett's writing so far (one and a half books), it tracks with how he depicts 'good guy' authority figures. More considerate and caring than the Imperium standard.. but still Imperium agents that can and will do some cold shit if their hand is forced. They just don't reach for that straight away.
Like either out of genuine care for people or because they know it's senselessy inefficient to throw away a good tool just because you can.
drowsy vine
Abnett's protags are also all very canny, which I appreciate
uneven field
honestly yeah. eisenhorn is the only one I've experienced so far, and his sheer decisiveness is kind of fun to read/listen to
spiral badger
Morrow is pretty much implied to be a rather soft touch at heart who keeps a hard shell to prevent himself from collapsing in grief over all the friends and comrades he's lost
he'll remember your name once you've proved yourself, because otherwise, you'll be dead and another name on a long list of sadness
drowsy vine
honestly yeah. eisenhorn is the only one I've experienced so far, and his sheer ...
Gaunt from Gaunt's Ghost is sharp as a whip, it's great to read
drowsy tusk
lapis jetty
uneven field
Gaunt from Gaunt's Ghost is sharp as a whip, it's great to read
honestly the first book of that might just be my next audiobook listen after I finish Malleus. been meaning to give it a go.
drowsy tusk
powerful
lusty kelp
Laspistol is fun. I used the heavy one. The full auto mod is a must have.
opaque crown
If you can semi reliably heads shot it demolishes almost everything
limpid zinc
he'll remember your name once you've proved yourself, because otherwise, you'll ...
certified pronoun respecter
opaque crown
I wonder if rannick is a traitor
Who is artificially prolonging the conflict
Or if not a traitor, very much did not want the info that wormwood passed to Zola to be acted on
drowsy vine
I don't think so, tbh
His reasoning for not wanting the information acted on is frankly completely sound if it were any reject team but the PCs
Especially since Zola's already gotten another strike team killed trying to do this exact thing
That one was just sanctioned
opaque crown
i cant quite pinpoint, just some of his lines felt particularly sus
limpid zinc
yr not outta pocket most ppl i play with thought he sounded sussy
we were supposing that he didnt want a twin captured on risk of revealing something he's involved with, hence the kill order
west mantle
<@&1042950387478560878> real gamer hours!
west mantle
Or if not a traitor, very much did not want the info that wormwood passed to Zo...
You mean the info passed to us by a person who has been compromised?
(Which Zola knew before starting the mission)
pale gyro
I need the darktide role
distant surge
borktide
west mantle
I need the darktide role
See #bot-stuff for instructions on how to get it
gentle flame
That one was just sanctioned
If I'm not mistaken, the op Zola sends us on was EXPLICITLY not sanctioned. It was totally off the books and she was our only contact until Rannick found out we were on an op that wasn't sanctioned and got involved
In finding out, Rannick was also (we don't know him so saying uncharacteristically would be a huge assumption, but given the setting...) strangely kind about how he handled Zola stepping out of he bounds.
Fuck me, my reading comprehension is fucked
You aren't talking about the mission we went on, my bad
hushed glade
It was sanctioned by the fact Grendyll invested some authority into Zola
cyan depot
Yeah, Zola is an Explicator and its important for people on that track to show aggressiveness and initiative
It's a real "public reprimand and "able to work independently, shows initiative" in their file" moment
spiral badger
she'll get yelled at more in private for not listening when ordered to withdraw but that's within allowable disagreement
wraith grove
I wonder if Rannick is gonna take a more hands on role after this
Zola is still around but after this I feel like she’s gonna lose some authority
opaque crown
rannick engaging with us more directly as like a premier reject/disposable asset does make some sense, in terms of progression eh? Even if usually we're sitll pretty small potatoes as far as what he's probably managing
wraith grove
Honestly wouldn’t be super shocked if we’re assigned more to Morrow in the future
Especially with his lines to Zola about how she’s not here to think for herself
Just do whatever she’s told
limpid zinc
You mean the info passed to us by a person who has been compromised?
'compromised' only means they may have been caught, it doesn't mean they're necessarily feeding bad info
opaque crown
iirc compromised really just means that the intel you get is suspect due to the being aware that enemies are aware of the connect
lusty kelp
Today, I’m going to go after a lasgun. I’m not trying to get perfect ones, just good ones. I think I’m gonna go for the 1a.
opaque crown
i think 1A is a great one to go for as a midground standard
split mantleBOT
<@&1042950387478560878> anyone up for a few runs in 10-20 minutes?
marsh gyro
I'm down, I need to celebrate getting Power Cycler 4 by getting the plasteel to combo it with Sunder
distant surge
kill
tough compass
Sure!
split mantleBOT
normal gun
cyan depot
normal shaped pistol
drowsy vine
Standard
lapis jetty
the most up to date version is in the darktide modding discord, seems to be updated almost every day
wraith grove
normal gun
Wait you can modify guns?
marsh gyro
Not by default, there's a customization mod
drowsy vine
white portal
oh lorde
marsh gyro
Brutal Momentum keeps winning, that's a good video
lusty kelp
The 1a lasgun is so good!
opaque crown
eyy
lusty kelp
At least, it is on high intensity heresy. Next up, the shovel with the spike. What’s the difference between the other shovels?
(Seriously tho super fun and it feels almost self sustaining ammo wise with the no ammo on crit and the +25% ammo)
uneven field
Finally maxed out my Zealot last night. Assault chainsword and autogun is the way, apparently.
Though I need to redo her build to be more focused.
uneven field
I'm finding I prefer playing horde-clearer when I'm running it. Need to swap out to the flame grenade I keep seeing everyone use, at the least.
limpid zinc
flame nade is aight
i think the stun is both better and attached to better talents
ymmv ofc
uneven field
I may play with it, just don't find myself using the stun all that often tbh
though I also don't generally play above malice so I don't often need it unless I have really bad teammates
limpid zinc
throwing it for rezzes is only part of the equation
the fire nade clears trash fine, but you're a zealot, so you already mulch trash effortlessly
the stun nade actually makes dangerous targets stand still and let you wipe them
the difference between clearing a pack of ragers or crushers and clearing them with a nade is pretty significant in terms of time and risk, while they'll just chase you out of your fire radius before they take too much damage for it
the fire nade is great for hunting grounds, though i personally am a freak and can square dance with the entire pack indefinitely at this point
your mileage may definitely vary here
uneven field
really depends on my teammates, to be honest. I just don't really struggle with specials like, at all, because I'm always running a chainsword and I always have it revved up the moment I hear or see one.
limpid zinc
when you reach damnation they come in packs of 24 like pabst mfin blueribbon
uneven field
right, yeah, I figured, which is why I said I don't really have to worry about that because I never really play above malice currently
pale gyro
the plasma gun is crazy good
uneven field
is it better now? I always kind of dodged using it because it was kind of weak at launch
drowsy vine
Plasma's only ever been buffed since launch and it's at a very good level now
uneven field
neat, I may give it a go next time I want to play with a new weapon
drowsy vine
It is top tier for precision elite and special sniping
limpid zinc
plasma genuinely needs a soft nerf
id probably make it and voidstrike not completely ignore bulwark shields and cover
or tighten up the ammo pool mebe
unless you blast hordes the pgun is functionally infinite ammo because every special kill gives you a full refund lol
pale gyro
meme I made after someone mentioned the idea to me
hushed glade
Psyker and Zealot need to be switched
Since some veterans and zealots are implied to be canonically fuckin each other
opaque crown
a comment on flame nade i note is that comparison to stun does need to take in your most common team comp
shield taunting ogryn absolutely loves flame nade
i.e. if you already have good control/management of elites, the stun becomes superfluous
where the flame productively actually kills things, whether or not youre actively swinging
so if you're playing the block and dodge minigame, the flames can put in a lot of work when you cant
marsh gyro
Flame nade is surprisingly useful vs the cricket team mobs of ragers/maulers/bulwarks that spring forth from each other like Athena from Zeus's forehead
It also pulls out and throws really fast compared to other nades
hushed glade
Flame Nade nullifies a lot of problems
limpid zinc
its a time and space equation
hushed glade
personally I don't like stun nades just because the ONLY time they're really useful is for pickups imo
limpid zinc
personally I don't like stun nades just because the ONLY time they're really use...
bewildered by this mindset im ngl
theyre actually a lot better thrown before people need to rez
limpid zinc
you throw them when a six pack of crushers or a 24 pack of ragers is rocking up
limpid zinc
the best cc is death
a pack of ragers forces you onto the back foot and will simply walk out of your flame radius while forcing your back to a wall
the stun nade makes them stand still and die to your mighty blade
opaque crown
im personally in the flame nade camp myself, due in no small part to the fact that regardless of me outputting more dps with my hands, it is hurting and killing things. I don't think the stun nade is at all bad, and actively competes in my mind with the flame, but flame is my personal pref
hushed glade
You think I see a pack of ragers and BACK UP?
opaque crown
flame also combos real nice with relic, to stun people into stationary while in the fire
hushed glade
I am pressing my ult key with the force of zeus
limpid zinc
You think I see a pack of ragers and BACK UP?
a 24 pack of them, yes
opaque crown
incidentally, with 2 zealots, stun combos amazingly well with fire
limpid zinc
i can two shot ragers and i still need to make space to fight them, unless i throw a flashbang at the ground, in which case they all die for free
limpid zinc
flame also combos real nice with relic, to stun people into stationary while in ...
if you run relic yeah
i run charge for reasons
opaque crown
yeah relic is my personal zealot take, i like to shelter my friends. I run big bonker maul or ironhelm with it and generally push a lot of control and support out
rather than high octane target elimination
limpid zinc
the stun nades also free up talent points for my build which is no small consideration
opaque crown
i think i do run stun on m charge zealot, but i don't actually remember, i just know its nice to do a big stun and sweep with the evis
limpid zinc
top left talents are more favorable than middle too imo
anoint in blood isnt for me because my revolver is there to snipe specials from 1000000000000m away and 25% damage against everything is better than 20% against things i kill super fast anyway
opaque crown
i run the slug shotty for a nice mixed role
limpid zinc
im too pampered by being able to shoot through FUCKING pugryns lol
ive been running fan revolver on my vet for shenanigans and its making me salty
cause it dont shoot thru my teammates and i swear they have a psychic link to footsie in front of my shots every time
opaque crown
that psychic link is real
limpid zinc
my teammates reaching out through the force to predict my bullet trajectory and dive in front of it
opaque crown
i honestly think its real because like... when my buddy wants to troll me and intentionally try to do it, they do worse than when they accidentally lockstep with my reticle
distant surge
my teammates reaching out through the force to predict my bullet trajectory and ...
me with every ogryn player when i'm using the lasgun
i love ogryns but godfricking dang it
limpid zinc
i bet if you could crunch the numbers people tend to dodge right > left > right because the D key is on their pointer and the A is on their ring finger, with the former being easier/more natural to hit mindlessly
so you and your teammates tend to footsie around hordes in similar patterns, leading to tanked shots
opaque crown
ogryn's bone 'ead implant links into the aim part of their allies guns, to ensure they absorb as many shots as possible
limpid zinc
nah im overthinking it tbh
its confirmation bias lol
you think abt the ~dozenish shots wasted in your ogryns ass and not the rest that killed heretics
tough compass
cause it dont shoot thru my teammates and i swear they have a psychic link to fo...
Being hit by a friendly indicator is green, and green is good. So clearly the game is telling you it's a good thing to body block friendly shots
drowsy tusk
i love ogryns but godfricking dang it
distant surge
heavy geyser
top left talents are more favorable than middle too imo
midtop right side zigzag with purge and the 25% effective health increase are really competitive picks vs an attack boost that only applies every other swing and toughness sustain that only applies to heavy kills.
the wound threshold reduction trait is for crusher and sniper hits that are a bit easier to dodge but isn't gonna do much to gunner and fire attacks. The traits up there are good but they have a lot of asterisks on them to access a grenade that undoes a death spiral that could be prevented by a carpet of fire and a lot of dead horde.
top right is my pick for talent stack synergy for offering crit sustain bleed loop and the 50% toughness DR on crit talent side by side
top right is such a loaded cluster that always works
throwing knives are a free revolver with no reload animation, its a different niche from the other two but being able to just pivot mid melee and headshot a trapper is real nice
they're all fun routes but I don't think the top left really outshines the other two routes, if anything it's the most restrictive choice of the three.
lusty kelp
I picked up the Mk VII shovel on vet. Using Heavy, Light, Heavy, Light to clear hordes and it works great. The special attack is great, and it feels like it pairs good with frags and my new lasgun, giving me tools for everything.
marsh gyro
All the new shovels are super versatile
distant surge
can ogryns use them as spoons?
opaque crown
i mean im not gonna tell an ogryn they cant
slender shell
when the ogryn asks for just a spoonful
opaque crown
its important to let an ogryn feel clever when they've decided they are clever
drowsy tusk
<@&1042950387478560878> i am running out of witty things to say when i ping
tough compass
Wit is a tool of the heretic
drowsy tusk
someone named their vet afer an anti nausea drug
dry tangle
Me naming a Psyker Loxapine
wraith grove
Had a super smooth damnation run
Shield Ogryn is so nice
I took major damage once and it’s because a crusher hit me right as a hound jumped on me
marsh gyro
Shield Ogryn is so nice
Shield Ogryn is my "chill tide" loadout, I like it with Can Opener ripper
wraith grove
I use it with the grenade launcher personally
I just pull it out when I see a special I need to deal with
drowsy tusk
on the topic of grenade launcher
using lucky bullet and barrage with a thumper is a religous expirince
wraith grove
Just roll the dice every shot
drowsy tusk
also the most times ive run out of ammo in a mission
wraith grove
I’ve never personally had ammo issues with the thumper
But also I don’t use it that much with this build
wraith grove
It’s very funny how every Ogryn explosive is both explosive and solid projectile
Even the ogrynheimer staggers enemies when thrown directly at them
drowsy tusk
yee
drowsy tusk
here have a painful image
opaque crown
ive never heard of it being called the ogrynheimer and now i must use that
limpid zinc
the wound threshold reduction trait is for crusher and sniper hits that are a bi...
I don't take that talent and I don't agree that the stun grenade is best used as a lose less button
limpid zinc
throwing knives are a free revolver with no reload animation, its a different ni...
I already take a revolver so knives are more of a wasted slot for me
heavy geyser
The knives are very freeing for exploring other gun utilities, like shotguns or flamers, but they're probably the most niche of the three
fire nade > pickup also works good on a pinch
limpid zinc
Nade to pickup is a classic that works with basically any of them
The revolver is my preferred after branching out to most ranged weapons in the game and it subsequently makes the left tree the obvious pick because:
- 25% range damage bonus on close targets is nearly wasted on my play style
- knives are redundant
Id probably make a second build for fire nades if it weren't for that range damage talent being the first in the tree 🫠
heavy geyser
its a good trait, i recall seeing it applies to flamer burn? might be misremembering
drowsy vine
I think it's better than you give it credit for
heavy geyser
purge the unclean is neat for killing the biggest guys and the littlest guys and no one in between
anoint falloff range isn't super steep and it is significant enough to hit useful breakpoints
drowsy vine
Purge is one of the best talents in the Zealot tree
I don't not take it on any build
limpid zinc
It's two points I can't really afford
And one of them is good, totally, but not for me
lusty kelp
I think you could probably do better than no respite
slender shell
New enemy type incoming? Maybe revamping the Karnak twins ambush into being generic captains
drowsy tusk
<@&1042950387478560878> any yall got a weird schedule and want to play some weekday darktide?
cyan depot
<@&1042950387478560878> any yall got a weird schedule and want to play some week...
Let me make some food and I’m down
drowsy tusk
Let me make some food and I’m down
sounds good
tough compass
What did you learn when you contemplated the orb?
drowsy tusk
What did you learn when you contemplated the orb?
my radius trash
drowsy vine
Maybe its time to get back on the 'tide train
uneven field
New enemy type incoming? Maybe revamping the Karnak twins ambush into being gene...
this seems like a nice way to not waste what feels like a pretty interesting boss fight, or at the very least keep some boss variety in the game
if it's not a generic karnak twin, then if nothing else a scab captain without the shield would be a pretty solid mid-level boss to throw in as a mixup for the mostly-chaos daemon/corrupted bosses you otherwise run into
marsh gyro
A terrifying truth about Power Cycler 4 is if you get hit stunned after one slash the charge fizzles
Guess I gotta get gooderer at Power Cycling
drowsy vine
A terrifying truth about Power Cycler 4 is if you get hit stunned after one slas...
Are you using the Mk 6 or Mk 3?
marsh gyro
Are you using the Mk 6 or Mk 3?
Mk3 with Sunder, I haven't gotten to take my Mk6 for a drive with it yet
The Mk6 push poke attacks are scary powerful
drowsy vine
The Mk6 push poke attacks are scary powerful
You can also cancel the Mk6 power-up into an immediate block, making it much safer
lapis jetty
i didnt even know there were two different power sword variations
lapis jetty
ive got a decent one, just want power 4
drowsy vine
Pretty damn solid
drowsy tusk
<@&1042950387478560878> bark bide
drowsy tusk
just got out of work lol
heavy geyser
I've started running a blazing piety crit chant build and it's so fun
With a good horde I can pop chants as soon as the previous chant buffs wear off
blissful sparrow
twas a fun field trip
heavy geyser
i have been a bigtime martyrdom fan and I realize part of how the martyr CDR trait works is if you get hit a lot you almost always have your F key skill to mash, and then switching to the crit CDR trait on the piety branch its a lot more proactive but no longer an emergency chant button
when the crit wave hits, it really hits
limpid zinc
when the crit wave hits, it really hits
ive hit charge and swung at head height into a horde and instantly refunded it
i once refunded both
drowsy tusk
<@&1042950387478560878> reject not-darktide, embrace darktide
pale gyro
west mantle
<@&1042950387478560878> ooga booga, cast bonk on these heretics
tough compass
That is an excessive number of ragers lmao
dawn totem
You know, I was proud of my new Zealot build. Chain sword/Flamer/Knife grenades, but it can be really irritating when sometimes the only builds that work are those where you act like it's a one player game.
And I've got some some nice group bonuses and buffs too. You'd think that prevents people from running ahead and ditching.
cyan depot
Honestly if you run into so many people trying to speedrun I'd genuinely recommend bumping up in difficulty
Cause I rarely run into these people
dawn totem
Like, I get that speed matters. But in a way where you can reposition yourself to help the group.
You know what? I might just be done with Heresy level difficulty. It might be time to main Damnation.
I've got two really good Zealot stealth builds that are all about repositioning and picking up downed operatives.
cyan depot
Damnation QP is my goto these days
dawn totem
Once I get my office set up I'll make the move up.
blissful sparrow
yeah same, damnation is the "if you try that youll die" difficulty so it kinda forces you to play together
which is great for weeding out speedsters who cant hang
cyan depot
yeah people try lone wolfing waaaay less on damnation because lone wolves end runs
dawn totem
Sounds like I've finally graduated to Damnation lol
I feel like there are some genuinely strong builds to do it. And I've done it before with people here.
cyan depot
You might find it not as big a leap as it sounds - ime damnation isn't that much harder because while the enemies are tougher and more numerous you tend to get much more confident and reliable randoms
dawn totem
That's good. Sometimes a Damnation can make me feel like I've got my builds all wrong.
opaque crown
ive found that damnation is playable if you've got at least one orange/gold weapon and all your points distributed. It just gets easier and feels better when your builds and blessings are coherent
i think you can even do it with all blues
tough compass
You can also do damnation pre-max level. Just avoid the harder modifiers
opaque crown
the main thing is you need to continue developing your self preservation skills first and foremost
and focus on killing after you've secured yourself
marsh gyro
A couple of stress tests you can do in the Psykhanium to test how things feel in Damnation
- Can you kill a Mauler fast
- Can you knock over a Crusher if you can't kill it fast
- Can you kill both ragers fast because they come in football teams
- Can you 2 shot a Dreg or Scab mook
- Can you 2 shot a Poxwalker
4+5a) Can you do the above to a bunch at once - Can you melee a mutant fast
Different weapons combo differently so some are better at the maniac armor than the carapace than infested so it takes experimentation
"Fast" in the above tests is subjective and you'll see for yourself the difference between a fast blast and "dang I had to reload"
For example, in several cases it can be faster for Veteran with a Lucius Helbore to bayonet a Mauler versus shooting it
drowsy vine
A couple of stress tests you can do in the Psykhanium to test how things feel in...
I'm gonna add "how efficient is your ranged weapon at killing shooters/gunners" because they're still the premiere way more melee focused builds bite the dust, especially our poor big boys
alpine needle
Gotta protec the big uns' sometimes. 
opaque crown
being the cover sometimes has downsides
tough compass
Just take a piece of cover with you
opaque crown
shield is so, so very nice
on ogryn
I do wonder how a Brute shield would be meaningfully distinct
i know in tabletop, the difference now is that the slab shield gives +1 wound, the brute shield gives a 4++
it used to be that the slab shield was a 2+ armor save, the brute shield was a 4++ invuln save
maybe an omni directional block alt fire that still eats up stamina when hit?
tough compass
Different moveset I would guess
opaque crown
or maybe a shield that has no alt fire deploy, but otherwise can block shots, but has a stronger melee presence?
heavy geyser
I've never once seen an ogryn deploy their shield
opaque crown
i do it all the time
its great
literal invincibility in a direction from everything that isn't an aoe/ground area persistent damage source
i.e. face tank a daemonhost forever! Entire batallion of gunners holds no fear for you! Reaper patrol no problem!
cyan depot
one doggy boi though
opaque crown
ogryn cant resist petting the dog
and will let down all defenses to do it
The block taunt really synergizes well too, and you can make entire battallions of normal shooters get so mad they stop shooting and run up and start stabbing your shield
tough compass
The plant is great when you taunt the rager rugby team
opaque crown
where they are a LOT more accessible to your hungry hungry zealots
tough compass
But I would agree the plant is niche
opaque crown
I used to run big taunt, but found that being able to charge a path out of bad places was too useful to give up;
tbh, its relatively niche, but having played shield ogryn so much, I absolutely notice it strongly when its gone
shield planting is a very nice safety feature
also worked wonders in our early forays into damnation and auric stuff
when we lacked tools to deal with ranged well, whole party would end up sheltered behind my shield
picking off ranged people safely
marsh gyro
The secret to shield plant is allies can melee through the shield
opaque crown
yup, so you create a block taunt vortex
that your teammates can turn into a meatgrinder
when shield planting, your truest fears are trappers, dogs, and normal flamers. Generally you can easily reposition away from your secondary fears of tox flamers and scav bombers
If you have a nice corner, you can even face tank an entire crusher mob by yourself
quiet escarp
Honestly my experience with the shield is that you can just stagger lock crusher mobs while dodging anyway
It's absurdly hilarious when you bonk them in the face and they fall down in the middle of their wind up animation
opaque crown
oh yeah no you can absolutely do that
just sometimes keeping them in one spot is beneficial
especially when they're mass taunted
lusty kelp
i.e. face tank a daemonhost forever! Entire batallion of gunners holds no fear f...
The daemonhost is the best usage for it IME, but I haven’t done much above damnation
opaque crown
my personal opinion on best use (because there's rarely a reason to actually fight a daemonhost) is taunt trapping a boatload of shooters or shield tanking a incredible number of gunners
quiet escarp
Yeah, it really shines in some of the shooting gallery arenas with long sight lines
I do wish that plonking it down would let you block dogs though
hushed glade
I've never once seen an ogryn deploy their shield
I try to do it but it's actually completely pointless 99% of the time
because everyone just runs past you and ignores the invulnerable chokepoint you create
because they wanna kill
opaque crown
i have the benefit of a dedicated playgroup
cyan depot
I appreciate the shield
I just wanna kill but having the ogryn stand still instead of flawlessly walking in front of me is awesome :p
hushed glade
I also have dedicated groups but also no one does this
opaque crown
i mean some people do
heavy geyser
it helps to be in discord call with people you know because people aren't gonna read text chat and very few people use voice in public games
quickplay comms are gestural and implied. clicking ping is the lingua franca of the stranger game
cyan depot
180 noscope the ground with a "go here" ping and set up the shield
heavy geyser
pinging where you want your team to group up and hold position works pretty well
I switched my ping to Look instead of Go since it feels more generic and puts the eyeball icon in place
slender shell
Definitely used the shield plant when there's a gunner mob and someone got downed out in the open
tough compass
when shield planting, your truest fears are trappers, dogs, and normal flamers. ...
Oh, what is less dangerous about tox flamers?
(I keep expecting them to do corruption damage tbh)
opaque crown
Oh, what is less dangerous about tox flamers?
they just do damage slower, unless the regular flamer got reigned in a bit it just does ENORMOUS amount of damage quickly
tough compass
Oh, huh. THey did fix flame damage in the last patch
I didn't know they were different
opaque crown
it had been an incredible amount of damage quickly
I'd hazard the highest dps in the game out of an enemy
drowsy tusk
I do wonder how a Brute shield would be meaningfully distinct
My thought was more aggressive move set but replace immunity with a high resistance
heavy geyser
whenever there is a flame guy I always gotta click highlight them through the flames to see where they are before I can shoot them
I also like when people highlight crushers so if I shoot at them I know when they're actually dead. Overall I feel like people could be clicking on important guys more because "red outline turns off" is a really handy indicator for when something stops being a threat when they could also simply be knocked over and get up again
I'm a huge ping-guys advocate
ping huge guys advocate
drowsy vine
That's why I run Vet Mark
heavy geyser
my promise to you is if you highlight an ogryn i will quickdraw my bolter and evaporate them
my favorite ping language method is when someone pings All The Maulers to indicate the vastness of an incoming cluster
opaque crown
imagine if vet smoke nade did a aoe ping
heavy geyser
just mash ping across all the dozen incoming ragers
this is a vivid communication device
I promise it's not annoying, it will be understood
opaque crown
multiple spot vets don't stack on the same target rght?
drowsy vine
afaik, no
opaque crown
presumably that would be a lil silly
marsh gyro
It does let you spot 4 different things
wraith grove
I also have dedicated groups but also no one does this
In my experience as the shield Ogryn, my playgroups love when I set my shield up after a taunt
Just having everyone look at you and focus you gives them so much more room to kill
drowsy vine
<@&1042950387478560878> anyone up 👀
marsh gyro
Someone just joined, saw I was on knife zealot, left
I find the tone of a match is dictated by how the other players respond to a warm greeting of "Knife to meet you"
drowsy tusk
new fav line
soft summit
Psyker?
drowsy tusk
ogryn
limpid zinc
I find the tone of a match is dictated by how the other players respond to a war...
i do this but i say "meowdy"
pale gyro
I love the way the Zealot is just confused
drowsy tusk
<@&1042950387478560878> reject darktide, embrace tide tide
pale gyro
I like how the judge zealot isn't too awful
so far he's just been like "Treat others the way you want to be treated, and I would want to die if I were a heretic."
tough compass
@drowsy tusk eta?
spiral badger
honestly only the agitator is really like
annoying
the fanatic is a bigot but ultimately falls on the side of "as long as you're doin' the practical bit I don't care"
limpid zinc
I run femme!judge and still kinda feel bad when she calls psykers freaks 😰
But judge is generally the "bless your heart" kind of bigot and the rest are "[SLURS YOU DIDNT EVEN KNOW EXISTED]"
pale gyro
"It must suck being such a freak... I hope you get better!" /gen
marsh gyro
Only Quickplay available, as the Emperor intended
cyan depot
We won!
drowsy tusk
<@&1042950387478560878> TIDE NEVER DIE BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
spice lotus
wait what caused that to happen? i thought mission refresh ought to overlap?
limpid zinc
wait what caused that to happen? i thought mission refresh ought to overlap?
its from reddit but if i had to guess its just the same thing that causes you to load in with floating limbs and disembodied heads
spice lotus
ah
drowsy tusk
cyan depot
<@&1042950387478560878> wanna tide?
drowsy tusk
Shore
marsh gyro
New week, new melk bucks, I'm down
cyan depot
We’re in activity 1
marsh gyro
@cyan depot You taking a break for now?
marsh gyro
Sounds good cheers
drowsy tusk
lapis jetty
drip?
drowsy tusk
blazing storm
peak performance
dawn totem
I just had two really great matches with Damnation randos...
dawn totem
Pretty much
It's also why I love a good sharpshooter build who can just can blast away and keep regenning toughness as long as they nail those weakpoints.
marsh gyro
Exhilarating Takedown is such a huge survival amp
dawn totem
That and when you highlight all the shooters is what we call a, "target rich environment." I forget what lasgun I have but it's good good damage and a solid rate of fire. Also a blessing that does 90% extra damage per weak spot hit.
Btw, my Psyker using Smite with their rapier and quckdraw pistol becomes a whirling blender for hordes and a AP cowgirl for Maulers and Crushers.
dawn totem
I will say though that it pays to have multiple strong builds for each class. Especially if someone else really want to be a sharpshooter.
marsh gyro
One of these days I'm going to run in a 4 recon lasgun team and drown the enemy in flashlights
fallow forge
i'm imagining that after the crisis is over and done with
the inquisitor just brings around the rejects to wherever's getting attacked
to the bafflement of the locals who aren't used to 4 people killing ~2000 people on average per mission
opaque crown
Incidentally, i do really like how many classes can side-grade into different roles rather than being pigeonholed into doing one thing
drowsy tusk
shovel zealot is my favorite vet
dawn totem
I made a Sharpshooter Zealot with a Headhunter and she's working out great.
dawn totem
I'm seeing weird issues with Gunner's able to supress me even when I have the immunity trait on.
opaque crown
that is strange
dawn totem
Might be just the connection or something else though
heavy geyser
borrowed from elsewhere:
`Fun rumbler tip: You only need to brace it and use the guide for super long range shots. If you're trying to hit a sniper through smoke or need to get a nade on target quickly, the graduated crosshair is functional.
Simply line up the crossmark that is the same width as your human-sized target's shoulders with your human-sized target's shoulders, and it'll bop them every time.`
https://i.imgur.com/sZZH2ii.mp4
lusty kelp
Shameful admission: I have never know how to use that kind of grenade crosshairs in video games and I’m too afraid to ask
heavy geyser
Today you are blessed with answers to questions you've never had to ask
mortal crystal
It's showing the path of the nade
You can use similar lines to setup bounce shots and stuff with the hand grenades (never played Ogryn so idk about Rumbler)
heavy geyser
I think they mean the graduated crosshairs
spiral badger
no i think they're talking about the gradiated default cr- yeah that
cloud hazel
i have genuinely never even thought that those lines have a rationale for their width and alignment
i just thought it was universal code for 'ay this thing goes in a parabola like'
cloud hazel
yeah fair
spiral badger
but generally yeah you're supposed to compare some part of the target to the width of the line
cloud hazel
i mained a launcher in destiny and i just did it on vibes
spiral badger
to give you a rough angle measurement
the reason for this existing is that irl grenade launchers are aimed based on estimated range, jjudged or sighted in the field
which uh
hard to do in videojames
heavy geyser
The TF2 demoman has a wiggly graduated sight on his grenade launcher but that thing was also purely vibes based
cloud hazel
you just kind of learn to dunk the basketball
lusty kelp
Today you are blessed with answers to questions you've never had to ask
Indeed, a critical TIL
lusty kelp
i mained a launcher in destiny and i just did it on vibes
Well over 20k fighting lion kills on vibes, which is why I didn’t want to ask LOL
marsh gyro
Which Destiny 2 GL was the one that shot straight with no drop because I'd use that as a Rumbler variant
cloud hazel
mountaintop
pale gyro
I think darktide just made me a firm believer in the Emperor's divinity
Poxburster sent my ENTIRE team off the ledge and everyone except me died because of the "dont die if you take damage that would kill you, become invulnerable for 5 seconds" perk on zealot
the invuln triggered JUST as I got knocked off
tough compass
Were you stuck in an out of bounds zone and so hard locked out of the game?
pale gyro
nope
dawn totem
If I don't see another player in this game with another purposely vaguely racist name, it would be a gift.
pale gyro
It cant be worse than when I played Tarkov and saw someone called ||14AryanWarrior88||
marsh gyro
It's a glitch, just give it a refresh
dawn totem
Ah okay
limpid zinc
after nearly 400 hours i finally learned the secret of the mourningstar slide
pale gyro
Wait you can slide in the mourningstar?
limpid zinc
Wait you can slide in the mourningstar?
go to options > input and lower tagging input delay to 0 or 0.1, hit sprint and immediately emote wheel either crouch while still holding down at least a movement key
limpid zinc
in my immaculate mind palace im coming around to the idea that vet smokes might be Good, Actually
if you think of them as like a different flavor of psyker shield
i need to run them for a bit and see how they interact with gunner patrols and decide whether it would be better to just lob frags at them
opaque crown
i flip and flop about them, i think with the right team comp and people aware of them, they can actually be VERY strong
but also, at the end of the day, frags actually make space and kill things
but I've seen smokes effectively force whole groups of gunners and shooters to charge through to find the players, making them effectively a non threat
without them firing a shot
spiral badger
the issue with them is that they fuck up your own view
if they didn't do that they'd functionally be like a psyker shield
limpid zinc
viable if you took them + exec stance + share yr targets with yr team but thats a lot of points
on an especially tight talent tree too
opaque crown
i think another element in their favor would be that they cannot have their duration reduced in any way; which can also be a negative
but it means that overwhelming firepower can't pop em early
tough compass
I use them because it saves some points on my build >.>
I wish it was more clear what their area of effect was though
opaque crown
yeah i think they could use some love to really solidify a role for them for sure
they're a bit lacking in terms of clarity (lol, smoke) and consistency; but are potent in the right moments
ive just found running full grenade regen shouty vet with frags saves my bacon so so often
dawn totem
I run a stealthy vet with smoke and it can be impressive how it support the team.
marsh gyro
I run a stealthy vet with smoke and it can be impressive how it support the team...
You run 2 charges of stealth or 1?
dawn totem
I usually run 1 but I might change that with Damnation runs
heavy geyser
smoke nades should put out fire
drowsy tusk
eye poker 9000
limpid zinc
thats a really good one
ive been meaning to test executor versus mercy killer
i NEED to clear some hardware overhead for recording because i just had a nutty carry
had to start scaling level geometry to dodge multiple flamers while duking ragers and shit lmfao
im actually not super clear on what "power level" means in this game tbh
hushed glade
im actually not super clear on what "power level" means in this game tbh
Power level?
drowsy tusk
<@&1042950387478560878> barbammer bark bide
tough compass
Some talents/blessings refer to power level
I'm guessing +base damage then doesn't affect cleave/stagger?
split mantleBOT
we'll be on in ~10
theLETTER3 (comms yes) ↩️
drowsy tusk
fuk ye
jovial shuttle
forgive me, does anyone know how to opt out of the notifications? i couldn't get the game so it's no use staying
dusty lion
same command you used to get it
jovial shuttle
i do not recall it, sorry
marsh gyro
Go to #bot-stuff and type ?rank and it'll let you pick the Darktide role
jovial shuttle
thank you
limpid zinc
tough compass
Amazing
limpid zinc
personally traveling to sweden and breaking into fatshark to write code so we can get some real movement mechanics 😈
pale gyro
no
hushed glade
absolutely not
drowsy tusk
The movement mechanics is kill the things stopping you from going from point a to point b
Unless it’s ogryns can grab and throw teammates
That would be good
I’ll only cliff you never
I can be trusted with your life
alpine needle
Fast ball special me 
hushed glade
"Speed-running zealots are a real problem in the community"
"So we've added wall-running"
alpine needle
Lol
FS: "we've added movement tech."
Community: 
FS: "it's bombrush movement tech"
Ogryn rides by popping a wheelie on a bmx bike
hushed glade
We have given the Ogryn a car.
We have not taught him to drive.
SAH
CAUGHT IN RUSH HOUR AGAIN SAH
alpine needle
SAH, YOR SEAT BELH SAH!
gentle flame
Found something REALLY weird about sustained fire on the void strike staff
I'm not sure it's working AT ALL, even more so, I think it's reducing the damage of the staff
tough compass
Is it a thing that only works on primary fire?
gentle flame
Hol up
no fucking way
So this is what it says
It's applying a 20% damage boost on the first 3 shots
Including charged I think
limpid zinc
Fuck no lmao
im bhopping u cant stop me
gentle flame
Streaming my testing so you can see what I'm talking about
tough compass
It's applying a 20% damage boost on the first 3 shots
Fatshark moment
heavy geyser
rocketjumping is in the game but you are locked out of the trust level required to requisition the quake rocket launcher.
you will have to suffice with yon barreljumping
drowsy tusk
<@&1042950387478560878> im off work at a reasonable hour, darktide time(like 5 mins till darktide time)
tough compass
I would join if I wasn't so close to finishing the Talos Principal 2
gentle flame
lapis jetty
distant surge
shank
limpid zinc
Shame Abt the finesse
drowsy tusk
drowsy tusk
who gave the child a GP5
drowsy tusk
dawn totem
I don't know why, but every time I've played Ogryn today my teams have no sense of personal safety.
lapis jetty
Was there any word on previous commodors vestures coming back?
dawn totem
I'm waiting for the next Commodore update before I doll my operatives up.
heavy geyser
The shop updating unpredictably is such a weird design choice
dawn totem
It is worse, because I keep checking when I hop in the game.
I'm kind of doing the same thing for the new Wrath & Glory expansion and still mum's the word on the release date.
heavy geyser
I don't know why they don't update it like, every thursday
I've been waiting to cop the eviscerator skin since I started playing
limpid zinc
I'm waiting for the next Commodore update before I doll my operatives up.
New ones went up
quiet escarp
They added a scion helmet, just call it "Scion Helmet", and don't add it alongside an actual scion set
FS make some truly baffling decisions
quiet escarp
They added a scion helmet, just call it "Scion Helmet", and don't add it alongsi...
And not even alongside the already data mined carapace armor set
dawn totem
Oh wow, that's a lot of weapon skins I missed.
drowsy tusk
cyan depot
get his ass
opaque crown
just
tough compass
lmao
tough compass
Flame beam staff
tough compass
Oh, it does range? Sad
onyx mantle
Thank you fatshark for finally giving me a scion helmet
also god bless mods so i can match the colors of the armor
opaque crown
almost feels obligatory to run it with a recon lasgun
heavy geyser
They finally post an Eviscerator skin in the shop :)
It's not the one that matches my color scheme :(
opaque crown
its simple, just be color blind
heavy geyser
I've seen one zealot use it, I know it exists
It used the new evis model and it had black and yellow stripes
limpid zinc
bumblebee....
opaque crown
QUICK question
im making a recon gun for my "scion"
what was the breakdown between them?
the slow one is still fine right?
cloud hazel
the slow one uniquely overpenetrates unlike the others
lower DPS but also the fast-firing one will annihilate your ammo economy post-nerf
and the problem only gets worse with crowds
opaque crown
hmm ok cool, so im not wrecking myself with favoring it
just need to be aware of its limitation
cloud hazel
the recons as a class are not the strongest weapon and really really really need their godrolls to work, but they're still fine weapons for shooter vets
opaque crown
yee, i just feel obliged while im cosplaying a tempestus scion
to use a recon lasgun
and the slow one is hte one i favor most
drowsy vine
Honestly I'd just use plasma
opaque crown
Reporting back in, did ok with the Recon, Plasma did significantly better
spiral badger
the recons aren't really in a good place at the moment
marsh gyro
I like the heavy recon on a Weapon Specialist Vet since it benefits good from the reloads and fire speed buffs
cyan depot
Oh is it the kind of metallic grindy one?
white rover
Yeah I just played a game with one and the entire time I thought there was a traitor captain on coms before I realized it was my teammate
hushed glade
Oh is it the kind of metallic grindy one?
Yes
cloud flint
Has a skin for a red or caution stripes eviscerator been made yet?
hushed glade
Yeah you can get red weapons by default
cloud flint
Noted
opaque crown
i wonder what the mechanical identity of a helgun or hot shot lasgun would be
drowsy tusk
My hope would be not very long range, not very ammo efficient but don’t have to reload because power pack and very good armor pierce
Sorta a middle ground between plasma and lasgun
split mantleBOT
<@&1042950387478560878> anyone up for a game?
drowsy tusk
Unfortunately I am in an ambulance rn and therefore unable to play
drowsy tusk
Rip lmao
cyan depot
I just realized that the sword twin has the name ribcage sword as the nemesis claw leader
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heavy geyser
is that a cape made out of heretics?
cyan depot
Some of them might be!
distant surge
I just realized that the sword twin has the name ribcage sword as the nemesis cl...
oh god
drowsy tusk
<@&1042950387478560878> hello may I interest you in some dark with your tide
drowsy tusk
"pistol"
wraith grove
Look it’s the imperium
gentle flame
gentle flame
drowsy tusk
@hazy zodiac @fossil crow yall coming back?
hazy zodiac
gentle flame
drifting prism
Brogryn
uneven field
You know, now that I actually respecced to follow a half-decent build that gives me high crit chance and ammo regen: I kinda get the appeal of the Recon las, now.
Because I definitely was dropping entire packs of specials in the blink of an eye and I've not even got the full build yet.
marsh gyro
The different recons handle different and they're all good as hybrids of braced autoguns and infantry lasguns because they have tight hip fire and can still be aimed
The Mk7 has punchthrough, the Mk2 is most ammo efficient, and the Mk6 crits the best for burst
tough compass
The brittleness on hit talent is really good on them
split mantleBOT
<@&1042950387478560878> anyone up for some tiding in ~10-15?
drowsy tusk
Shore
split mantleBOT
hell yea
buoyant apex
Dunno if i'll be able to, I'm like, level 4
drowsy tusk
we are happy to carry here
buoyant apex
I also, and kinda more importantly: kinda just finished playing and dunno if I'll want to start again in such a short time
So, Maybe
buoyant apex
<3
drowsy tusk
lapis jetty
Should buy?
drowsy vine
That's a fantastic Chainsword, yes
Replace the Carapace damage with Flak and Devastating Strike with a Blessing of your choice and its golden
drowsy tusk
lapis jetty
It was on my psyker so I melted it down for savage sweep
cyan depot
Oh, that is an interesting take
drowsy vine
Especially if you want boss damage
Heavy rev chunks monstrosities and has the best shield damage in the game bar none
You can add on Bloodletter for even more boss DPS or Rampage for better crowd control
It's a fantastic do-all weapon and the one weakness it has, the meh dodge, is made up with that one cracked Psyker talent
cyan depot
Makes sense
drowsy vine
I'm a tad biased because I really prize versatility in Darktide, but I think it's a valid opinion
lapis jetty
i have blue flamethrower and im happy
limpid zinc
It was on my psyker so I melted it down for savage sweep
your future self who decided to make a melee psyker:
lapis jetty
drowsy tusk
gentle flame
drowsy tusk
drowsy tusk
lapis jetty
@drowsy tusk
marsh gyro
I'm a tad biased because I really prize versatility in Darktide, but I think it'...
Versatility is super important because there is a nonzero chance your team is entirely on fire, netted, and being eaten by a Daemonhost, simultaneously
hushed glade
Wouldn't a knife with bleed be more versatile than a chainsword?
drowsy vine
Psyker has no inherent bleed, so they need to sac a blessing for the bleed one, which is gonna lose you out on either all your armour damage or a ton of weakspot damage
Chainsword is a lot easier to use, has an easier time clearing/controlling hordes, isn't as reliant on a god roll to work, and more importantly, it fucking mulches shields
Which is very valuable vs assassination targets, as well as the Twins if you have room to saw
marsh gyro
Psyker knife is worth running at least once with the super dodges to practice your One Punch Man side to side teleports
Chainsword is a great Smite or Assail complement
cyan depot
Ultra dodge psyker is pretty funny yeah
uneven field
The different recons handle different and they're all good as hybrids of braced ...
running the Mk6 specifically, so that makes sense
slender shell
Rip thought they were adding versus to darktide as well
limpid zinc
theyve never said either way afaik
but if it finally comes to vermie thats a solid sign itll come to darktide
spiral badger
if they do it will be after another 500 years
limpid zinc
sadly ya
spiral badger
they announced that shit like 5 years ago lmao
limpid zinc
also ngl i think itd be funnier to be a silly rat
catch me maining gutter runner
darktide versus will have people throwing controllers on god
imagine the nutty angles snipers are gonna take
trappers doing insane tech to launch nets from over your head and shit
cyan depot
Honestly I struggle to imagine matching the great heights of malice that the darktide enemy director seems capable of
spiral badger
bombers... who are actually kinda worse than the AI, actually
except at hiding
bursters deliberately waiting around corners
blissful sparrow
can i be the unburstable bursters that we sometimes get
cuz that would be truly cruel
limpid zinc
bombers... who are actually kinda worse than the AI, actually
the ai bomber would be in the nba if only his face could sell shoes
limpid zinc
bursters deliberately waiting around corners
the burster who figured out how to reach a sniper perch when the team walk thru:
spiral badger
imagine player controlled dogs doing trickshots from upper levels
slender shell
Me as a burster waiting outside a safe room door
Oh god playing a flamer and shooting out of los
limpid zinc
flamers just sitting at a choke spamming it
slender shell
Just aiming over a catwalk to arc the flame
limpid zinc
cured by the zealot taking a running leap and ganking
ive lept over a few pits of fiery death in my time as knife zealot
spiral badger
the rumbler shot falling into my nest next to me: clonk
slender shell
Big question is if you can play as bosses
limpid zinc
im not sure if they covered that for vermie, i would assume it would be like l4d where someone gets picked to play tank
slender shell
Chaos spawn grabbing intentionally next to walls to send people to the backrooms
limpid zinc
a boss coordinating with sapient elites would be gg no re tho
the only winning move is shift + w
spiral badger
me fighting the devs so I can play a crusher and just wait outside a door charging overhead
slender shell
Mutants who spent 1000 hours in cs surf
spiral badger
limpid zinc
wyd when the crusher has jukes
slender shell
4 trappers who know they can shoot through mobs
spiral badger
you fire your plasma at the crusher. it ducks. you realize you are about to die
tough compass
Honestly I struggle to imagine matching the great heights of malice that the dar...
The problem with a versus mode is what it has to be somewhat fair lol
limpid zinc
both sides get to play the specials, it works out
theres plenty of goofy ass play in l4d versus but its balanced by being on the other end next round
slender shell
Yeah it's like l4d you decide winner based on progress
spiral badger
yeah l4d versus mode was notably way biased in favor of the survivors at higher levels but it was fine because you were playing for points
limpid zinc
most l4d versus games dont get anywhere near the safehouse ime
spiral badger
and at lower levels you didn't make it most of the time lol
limpid zinc
at the middle levels of play anyway
i never did high level l4d versus just me and other sweats interspersed amongst our more casual friends
spiral badger
a coordinated team of sweaty survivors is just nearly impossible to break
limpid zinc
we did have to decree that certain people had to be split up or else it would be a complete stomp
limpid zinc
a coordinated team of sweaty survivors is just nearly impossible to break
i feel like general coordination is way down in -tide compared to l4d
in exchange theres better pug tools
l4d is voip or drown but darktide recognizes that most gamers dont want to talk to each other 🤷
spiral badger
also this is my weird opinion but i think the lack of friendly fire means people just don't have to ccoordinate as hard
spiral badger
l4D you had to call directions and coordinate moving or you'd shoot your buddy right in his ass
cloud hazel
god knows ogryns would be punted off the fireteam if there was ff in dt
limpid zinc
god knows i would be in here baby raging every hour on the hour if playing knife zealot meant getting wiped by a bad vet more often than getting wiped by a heretic
blissful sparrow
theyd be practically unplayable at low level, probably mid too
slender shell
Oh god imagine the salt from the psyic link darktide teammates have to stand in you gunshots
blissful sparrow
high level i rarely get shot by teammates
limpid zinc
high level i rarely get shot by teammates
when im running the slow revolver or plasma ill shoot thru teammates just cause i can
that and cause puggies have no concept of firing lines at all
blissful sparrow
ah the classic Suprise Door! technique
limpid zinc
well not just cause i can but because i dont have to hold my shots and i know it
running the fan revolver vet w/ ogryns tho is like
playing backline / playing frontline
cloud hazel
i'll get all lined up ready to yeehaw this crusher for its entire lifebar and then random ogryn jumpscare
slender shell
Look heavy shield attack knocking down a squad of crushers is the funniest thing possible