ULTRAKILL

[mint fulcrum]

hope they throw more mines down

[teal flint]

Got stuck on gabriel for 30 minutes until I just started using the Revolver the whole fight

V2 wasn't too much trouble the first and I got him the second time first try

[leaden wren]

Guttertank is what it feels like to fight Seeders in Lancer /s

[mint fulcrum]

thats hype

I remember after being walled so hard on V2 (#2) I first tried Wrath's boss

[teal flint]

Nice

[mint fulcrum]

and you just feel like a god

like DAMN

this game's GOOD

[teal flint]

It is

[mint fulcrum]

just P-ranked 7-3 except the final room bugged

[plush nymph]

consistently just a tiny bit short on style

[mint fulcrum]

augh.....

I think a mannequinn got stuck in a wall - no enemies, final door wont open

[plush nymph]

starting to get this coin-add railcoin thing down though

[mint fulcrum]

[plush nymph]

bet that'll be great when it comes to minotaur

need good ways to build style and I'm thinking that just spamming proj boost while airborne seems to be it

finally

library fight is surprisingly not the most annoying, it's very easy to pull the guttertanks into traps there, they're more dangerous in the open

[plush nymph]

now for 7-4, then the two levels I do not actually like

the double guttertank platform in 7-4 is extremely annoying but the rest of it is very doable

[mint fulcrum]

I got 3 earlier

tried 4

almost made it

[kindred hamlet]

Its always the damn brainlasers

[mint fulcrum]

yippee

woah why are yours glowing

fastest among friends?

oh thats the all secrets / challenge tracker

I forgor 💀

[leaden wren]

So I have discovered a better way to ROUND TRIP ||Guttertanks||

Put a magnet in them, freezeframe just as the rocket comes out (close enough for the magnet to pull, far enough that they don't punch you) and then ride it

[verbal mortar]

yeah holy shit the ||first war is THE FIRST WORLD WAR and it never ended, every robot we see is because of ww1||

[umbral musk]

Wait have any of y'all done the prime sanctums?

Cause it says only I've done the Prime Sanctums out of everyone on my friend's lists

[plush nymph]

I haven't beaten golden boy yet but I've done P-1 quite a few times

I think the leaderboards are missing times before a certain point, none of my 0-1 through 6-2 runs are on there and I've P-ranked all of them

[verbal mortar]

i refuse to

i beat the first half of P-1 and gave up

in fact i might as well just say that i'm giving up on ultrakill until i stop breaking things over it

[thick pecan]

Honestly? Yeah, that'd be a good idea.
If a game makes you physically violent over losing to it, it's probablya good idea to take a break for however long you need.

[deft crater]

The leaderboards only show your time if you did it after the leaderboards were added

[verbal mortar]

more of a complex issue than just that but yeah that's the plan for the foreseeable future

[prime gull]

the prime sanctums are capital f Fucked to experience for the first time, especially blind

i think 7-2 is my new favorite level to P rank

luv the routing

[plush nymph]

it took me a bit, I kept ending up either one second or a couple of hundred style short

but it was a good one

working on 7-4 now

[plush nymph]

first run, not too shabby, no idea what I missed though

it was apparently only one enemy

[mint fulcrum]

I noticed the sentry can sometimes fall off

but land on one of the earthmovers legs

and stay alive off the map

mightve happened?

[plush nymph]

possibly, I don't think I put extensive work into murdering it

it's at least impossible to miss things in the last room because the door doesn't open until you're done

[plush nymph]

Fixed a bug that caused the first phase of the 7-1 boss to always function as if on Harmless difficulty

hotfix has made cow fight far scarier

haven't P-ranked that one yet, might be spooky

[mighty narwhal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDDde-exKd8 spoiler warnings apply

[kindred hamlet]

Also Spooky Analog Horror Faces warning

[mighty narwhal]

oh yeah forgot to mention

[kindred hamlet]

I wish i had that warning when i first saw this a few days earlier 😖

[mint fulcrum]

oh wow

I missed this in the layer 7 update

damn

[plush nymph]

sleepy filth now has a santa hat

[plush nymph]

first try baby

[umbral musk]

Look mom I'm on tv

[plush nymph]

no idea how you cut two minutes off that

possibly I wasted some time with the Hideous Mass

[umbral musk]

No I got that too

I just ultrakill fast

[uncut trout]

damn, your it’s natural predator

you need to bait punch and dash away and then hammer em

[plush nymph]

7-3 is a really fun P-rank, you really can just Do The Level

[umbral musk]

Yep!

[uncut trout]

i need to go back and p rank, haven’t had the time

[plush nymph]

you can parry their overextend from the punch now, it's a good time

but that only got patched in today

wasn't a ton of point hanging around in punch range before, even after baiting it, because you could get your heals from mine parries

[umbral musk]

And blood

[plush nymph]

yeah

also over time I've become far better at killing them

they do not like the coin-add

[uncut trout]

nothing likes the coin add tbf

gabriel doesn’t like the coin add

[umbral musk]

I shoot them until they die, personally

[uncut trout]

yeah many such cases

[plush nymph]

gabriel is a little bitch anyway, to be fiar

but yes, just had to get back into form

[uncut trout]

i honestly just kinda Do The Combos on autopilot

and focus my attention on dodging

i need to use rockets a lot more tho

cause they are good i just don’t touch em

[uncut trout]

oh also the freeze rockets end up as red explosions if frozen long enough

so you can utterly obliterate rooms

[plush nymph]

rockets are very good now, I forget I even have the SRS Cannon

[uncut trout]

i wanna get good with the cannon ball

anyhow fuck gutter men for making me have to learn to use knuckleblaster

[mint fulcrum]

I'm the opposite

movement tech just kinda happens, but I gotta think about guns and tricks

I need to find out the community terms for the movement tbh

my friends have no idea what I mean when I ask them "you ever do the slide-slide-hop bounces when trying to P-rank?"

[plush nymph]

taking a break from L7 p-ranks to play with Minos

[plush nymph]

three seconds and 1k style off

nearly there

no idea what I killed this time that I didn't kill the first time

[graceful flax]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1229490/view/3871471412494688187?l=english

[sharp pewter]

ASS does feel like ass sometimes

Wait that is ASA oops

[plush nymph]

not bad for a second run

[leaden wren]

https://youtu.be/gvcNLrYxgF8

[sacred jetty]

did it just to say I did it pre nerf

if ||Guttertanks|| have 1 hater remaining, I am that hater

ok I couldn't get a screencap (clicked through like an idiot) but the level of help putting the game down for a day and coming back after a new update does is insane

Ya breaks are a good idea

[plush nymph]

third attempt

thought I missed it for a second while I was flying through the air after the exit, but the "kill" on the boss itself only registers post-explosion

now just 7-1 left

[umbral musk]

Yep

[plush nymph]

could cut my time down significantly because I spent quite a lot of time fucking up the early movement, but it'll do for government work

[umbral musk]

Hey, you P-Ranked it. That's what matters.

[plush nymph]

just have 7-1, completing the Sisyphus fight and then P-ranking both prime vaults left

Minos I think will actually be pretty doable but I am not looking forward to getting good enough at Sisyphus Prime to reliably one-attempt him

[umbral musk]

Currently in the process of P-ranking Sisyphus myself

I've gotten close, only 2 deaths

On Violent, I mean

I've P-Ranked him on Normal Difficulty already

Ironically I find the first attempt against Sisyphus the easiest

Everything after that you setup is harder

At least for me

Same with Minos

[plush nymph]

I actually enjoy the Minos fight a lot, Sisyphus feels a lot less reasonable

I can reliably get his first phase but then eventually I slip up and become jam

[umbral musk]

Flesh Prison/Minos is my favorite fight in the entire game yeah

[umbral musk]

Honestly my attempts range all over the place

From barely into his first phase to almost finishing his second phase

And everything in-between

[plush nymph]

turns out if you chase the minotaur in 7-1 hard enough it will spawnkill the Maurice in the next room

not sure if that counts as my kill or not

I am spending so much brainpower remembering the good movement for this level I forget to actually not die in the fights

[mint fulcrum]

I like P-2 more overall (including boss) but I have yet to P-rank it

Feel a little more in control than against minos, even though I’ve P ranked him both difficulties

thank you parry button!

plus I unironically enjoy the fucked up gimmicks in P-2

had to learn to railcoin, started saw-trapping more, learned to more consistently parry mindflayers…
level forced me to get better at the game

oh and the fucking ferrymen

[sharp pewter]

Saw trapping unironically might be what made the new enemies in violence not that annoying for me

I use all saws no nailgun

[plush nymph]

getting absolutely ruined by 7-1 right now

reliably getting to minotaur then dying to something stupid

long runback

[umbral musk]

it does

at least

I didn't get penalized for it

[umbral musk]

So close

[mighty narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/subida-gif-18379274

i am sorry

[uncut trout]

i love the overheat nailgun soooooooo much

i use the magnet saw to deal with hordes and overheat nailgun for single target burst

[mint fulcrum]

I run basic nailgun + overheat saw

good damage + magnets from the gun, absolutely trivialize minibosses or hordes with the overheatsaw

I do miss the BRRRRRRRRRT

[sharp pewter]

I find that the sawblade swarm is just as good if not better for elites most of the time

You just need to know where to place it

[plush nymph]

new minotaur phase 1 is actually kicking my arse in these p-rank attempts

[uncut trout]

i struggle to use saw blades against bosses tbh

[plush nymph]

before he was on harmless all the time and you could just railcoin, coinadd, overheat and he'd die

now you have to actually do the fight and there's very few heals around

[uncut trout]

yeah it’s super hard to heal and it does big damage

[true badger]

Minotaur is easier now

because you can sawtrap him in stage 1

[sharp pewter]

Its all about timing and placement

I usually use it as a opener

[mint fulcrum]

after the patch notes my friend goaded me into P-ranking it again "or it doesnt count"
took me a couple tries lmao

at once point he had 1 cart destroyed, and both other carts covered in the poison

I like overheat saw because its very fire and forget

pull out 3, shoot 15-20 bullets + magnet, switch and right click

and then cycle to other weapons

then you just lure swordsmachines, mannequins, insurrectionists or whatever into the damage

[thick pecan]

oh, did Minotaur get buffed?

[mint fulcrum]

there was a bug where the train phase had the Harmless mechanics + damage, no matter the difficulty

[thick pecan]

ohhhh

[plush nymph]

yeah, I've got past it once, and got second phase to a tiny sliver of health on a sure run

haven't beaten phase one in the hour since, although I have gotten quite drunk so that's probably the cause of that

[uncut trout]

i like over heat nails because beeg damage

it chunks near anything that has a magnet in it

[sharp pewter]

Overheat saw also does big damage if you can position it properly

[umbral musk]

mutually killed Sisyphus

[plush nymph]

that took way too goddamn long

Cow stage one on violent is no joke

but we're done

[wheat bay]

finally finished 7-4, it was amazing
i actually finished the escape segment on the last second possible, which was definetley exciting

most of the rest of violence was also great, but the switch segment over a pit in 7-2 had me so frustrated i had to take a break

[mint fulcrum]

perfected P-2 on normal

made it to about 85% through the bosses healthbar on my violent attempt right after and died

[mint fulcrum]

so it goes....

[sacred jetty]

Impressive regardless

I've yet to get past first boss stage on path for a P-rank

[mint fulcrum]

idk if you mean the regular levels or the ||flesh prison||

but I get what you mean for the latter

I had to leave P1 so many times because I just couldn't figure out how to beat without taking 20 minutes

[sacred jetty]

||The Man Himself actually||

Managed to narrowly beat ||Live Panopticon Reaction|| before getting turned into ||Disco-Elysium flavoured mush by Lenval Brown ||

[mint fulcrum]

||hes tough!||

I remember when the patch dropped ||some people thought minos was harder than him|| and I just dont know what they were thinking

[umbral musk]

||yeah Sisyphus is much faster||

[plush nymph]

I am not sure whether I want to go for the minos P-rank or beating P-2 at all first, they're of broadly similar difficulty there

P-2 P-rank is going to be an odyssey since I generally go straight for Violent

[prime gull]

P-rank P-1 first - it helps

[mint fulcrum]

Either way works tbh

getring good at P-2 makes P-1 feel much more manageable imo

[plush nymph]

considering how long my first Minos kill took me and how out of practice I am at this fight, this is not a terrible first attempt

also reminded me how much I like the Minos fight

[plush nymph]

amazingly my Minos kills are way more consistent than my Flesh Prison kills

I can get the first wave of eyes but I am very bad at killing them without a good core nuke

[thick pecan]

Minos has much more of a pattern/flowchart you can get used to.

Flesh Prison, true to its theme's name, is a lot more chaotic.

[plush nymph]

the attacks are fine, it's just it has a real tendency to summon a huge stack of eyes the moment after I've killed the last one

I think I want to leave two alive and kill them when the heal starts because it seems to summon waves after the whole wave dies

case in point, literally all those deaths were to Flesh Prison

[thick pecan]

Flesh Prison still keeps the damage resistance while in the "healing" process even if all eyes are dead.

[plush nymph]

finally started to get that fight down, I needed to be more aggressively clearing two waves of eyes, because if you nuke the first wave, sweep the second wave manually then nuke the third wave, you have a full wave timer to just beat on it

got you, you octahedral bastard

that was a very fun P-rank grind

[plush nymph]

the only thing I have left to do in Ultrakill is completing and P-ranking P-2

I've successfully ran the P-2 gauntlet a few times but never actually beaten the big man

[leaden wren]

Yeah I think the wave timer goes faster once the wave is dead

[honest cairn]

BEHOLD

my first gabe 1 attempt

it

yeag

[umbral musk]

Sisyphus is proud of your struggle

[honest cairn]

thank you

[mighty narwhal]

congratulations!!

[plush nymph]

he is now very dead, the next time will be easier

I do really love the gabe fights

[mighty narwhal]

gabe burned me out on playing ultrakill so i commend the victory

[plush nymph]

such a good benchmark for how much you've improved

[kindred hamlet]

Violence made me realize that ive gotten rusty
will probably redo all the layers before i even think about trying to P-rank the new levels

[honest cairn]

thanks y'all

[verbal mortar]

it wasnt even gabe rematch that made me give up P ranking in april

it was 6-1

[umbral musk]

What's 6-1 again?

Oh it's the level before the Gabe rematch

[plush nymph]

The long gauntlets are usually far harder P ranks than any given boss-only finale, because restarting a boss level just adds a few seconds on resetting to checkpoint

[true badger]

Took me like 30 tries to P 7-1

and P Ranked 7-2 first try'

[plush nymph]

7-1 was by far the hardest, I kept getting splattered by the minotaur phase one since it's not locked to Harmless difficulty any longer

Turns out the "correct" way to P-rank boss levels at least for me is to just die however many times it takes but get the practice on the boss, rather than resetting every time, and eventually you'll just get One Good Run

[plush nymph]

On that note, back to fighting Sisyphus

My biggest problem with this guy is not any of his attacks, it's that he won't stay on your damn screen

Minos is nice, and actually remains in front of you most of the time

[umbral musk]

Sisyphus is both heavily airborne, and also teleports behind you

[plush nymph]

He also doesn't feed you full heals in snake form, although I feel I could deal with that if I could reliably see him

90% of my phase two deaths are from getting disoriented when he teleport spams and eating a combo

[plush nymph]

you know, I will acutally goddamn take that

[umbral musk]

What part did you get stuck on?

Oh

Sisyphus

[plush nymph]

yep

I have actually one-lifed the entire gauntlet a few times

[umbral musk]

The two kills tipped me off :v

[plush nymph]

it's purely Sisyphus who just absolutely murders me every time

the annoying part is going to be grinding the Sisyphus fight to the point I can reliably do it once I finish said gauntlet

decided to go kill Gabe afterwards purely to see how big the gap was and yeah

Sisyphus is kind of tough

[mint fulcrum]

I’ve found reliably parrying him is the best bet

the extra 3 frames on last patch helps too I may have mistimed a parry and still got it off last time I fought him

I also stay out of the air because his teleports are rough

[plush nymph]

that's what I settled on, with this strange diagonal airborne shuffle to deal with his four-hit combo

the thing that got me the most often was You Can't Escape into a bunch of other stuff on the second phase, where he has more stamina

[honest cairn]

Hmm

||1000 is pronounced as "Sen" in Japanese||

||There are Japanese signs all over the Earthmover||

||Therefore, the 1000-THR in its name can be read as Sen THR. Or Centaur||

||Which is pretty cool considering Violence (in Dante's Inferno) is home to centaurs, but instead of violent horse men, its massive war machines with fuckoff huge electric guns||

[umbral musk]

That tracks yeah

I figured it's name was some sort of pun

[velvet stump]

||Hakita did confirm that iirc! Also, that the THR was meant to be like Thor, since they shot lightning||

[kindred hamlet]

Bull of Hell is a banger of a track
i say this as I have yet to P-rank anything from the new levels ;_;

[honest cairn]

YEAH

||https://vxtwitter.com/BigRockBMP/status/1740128113340940557||

also ||why does earthmover brain have meat in it||

[uncut trout]

oh my god

[plush nymph]

I may be bad at the Sisyphus Prime fight

On Violent he does have a tendency to keep chaining combos for so long you run out of stamina though

[uncut trout]

i just

cannot be arsed to do wait of the world again

some day sure

but

not for a while

i will also say i found the minotaur significantly harder than the earth mover

[uncut trout]

tbf i think the number of people who are good at it is quite small

[plush nymph]

Minotaur is a pain purely because of the very restrictive platforming and difficulty in healing, phase 2 is considerably less irritating

[graceful flax]

anyone have any clue when the rest of act 3 will be out

[plush nymph]

P-2 was eight months or so before Violence, so assuming that's representative maybe a year and a half for both of the layers

not sure whether we're getting Fraud then Treachery in separate updates though, I don't think there's a consistent precedent there

[graceful flax]

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[livid vale]

7-1 progress: ||traintracks? oh boy||

[teal flint]

||goin for a ride||

[livid vale]

||oh god where the fuck do i stand||

[teal flint]

||standing is for SUCKERS||

[livid vale]

||can't pinpoint its parry hitbox...||

lmfao

died to landing in puddle after kill

||MOTHERFUCKING DIED TO PHASE 2 OPENING LMFAO||I LOVE ULTRAKILL

yeah ok i'm just rusty AF

[plush nymph]

I was also, when I came back to Violence

a couple of weeks later and I was fully back up to speed and in fact better than I ever was, shaking the rust off in this game feels great

[velvet stump]

||you question the logistics of machines that run on blood?||

[mint fulcrum]

its ||not even a question - bloods an efficient medium||

[mint fulcrum]

||its a whole entire ecosystem in there, metal and flesh entwined. makes sense it would thread to the brain||

[honest cairn]

||meaty... dont like it much tho||

[umbral musk]

||Why do you?||

[honest cairn]

||fair point||

[mighty narwhal]

https://youtu.be/BrQ3sQxW3I0

[true badger]

Game seems to reset my controls to LB+RB+R for grapple instead of just R everytime I boot up the game

[mighty narwhal]

how do people manage all the inputs to juggle. i found i barely remembered anything past move, dash, and jump, let alone weapon switching that isn't scrolling. are there special peripherals yall are using or something

[wheat bay]

i just go by memory, which has led to me just forgetting about being able to do certain things sometimes

i started playing ultrakill for the violence update, and only recently remembered about projectile boosting

[deft crater]

Okay, so I really only use dash jump and movement, and the 1, 2, 3, 4 keys for weapon selecting

More than that and I get overwhelmed and struggle to do the proper inputs

I also have Q set to swap between the last used weapon, and E to toggle variants

[mighty narwhal]

for me, anything that might otherwise go to weapon selection was focused on remembering that punches exist

[deft crater]

Forget punches

For now, at least

I've P-ranked P-1 without them

Can't land a parry to save my life

Just try to learn core movement and being able to switch to the weapon you want

[wheat bay]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Ultrakill/comments/18ohqwq/theory_huge_layer_7_spoilers_god_isnt_guiding_v1/

[mint fulcrum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMKQ8u-n15A

[plush nymph]

after five million years I finally made the extremely simple realisation that rebinding slide to a thumb button means I can dash jump incredibly easily and all of a sudden I ultrakill 33% faster because I can just boing everywhere

[verbal mortar]

||maybe hell finally got bored and wants it all to end at long last||

||either that or V1 is like, peak fucking entertainment for hell, what with them being able to kill minos and sisyphus and actually defeat gabriel||

[wheat bay]

||hell just wants to watch people suffer, i think||

[plush nymph]

I still need to figure out how to make my slam storage slide-jumps move me mostly horizontally, because right now I ascend to the skybox every time, but hey, progress

[maiden marsh]

Oh lol I never noticed there was an Ultrakill forum thread

[shy musk]

Same tbh

[shy musk]

I've had the same thoughts but unfortunately I broke that mouse

[shy musk]

The Earthmover fucking wowed me

Like I don't think you can signpost the fight more overtly (precedence in the corpse of king minos + you see multiple) but still howoah

Also it's brought up a whole lot of questions

1. How did they end up in hell?
2. What in the world is going on inside
3. DId they adopt hell energy & idols or were they implemented already?
4. What is that weapon it's so sick

[thick pecan]

railcannon :3

[maiden marsh]

I should've expected a fucking DMC3 reference.

rather, I should've expected this DMC 3 reference in particular

[mint fulcrum]

3's something I was actually thinking about while playing

I assumed that its not actually shooting hell energy at you, but just blue high-energy attacks

(and its just lucky for V1 that its Feedbacker, designed to reflect energy back towards its source, works against hell stuff)

but idk maybe they run on hell now

probably didn't during the final war - since hell expeditions picked up after the New Peace

[shy musk]

Yeah def., the discrepency in the timeline is what made me wonder

Also another discrepancy afaik - how are the Earthmovers still operating?

Their terminal entry said that they died out in the Long Night

If they didn't run off of fresh blood like V1 and the others, I'd guess they just hibernated and waited for the sun to come back, but since the Streetcleaners - more recent robots - run off of fresh blood too I wager they do

What revived them?

Same question for the Guttermen & Guttertanks - might just be a design choice but the former only have skeletons in their caskets, implying that their fuel source died out a long time ago and that they've been given enough of a jump restart to head to hell for another

[teal flint]

Two ideas I've had
More likely: The other machines did; the Earthmovers have entire security systems and defense squads on them that could have reactivated them by bringing back blood to their Biggest Best Bet to getting more of it
Weird: Hell itself brought them down here, initally. The Violence layer is an eternally running conflict; of course Hell would keep it up to date with all the fresh new horrors Humanity made for itself. But with all the machines coming down from the surface too in V1's wake, shit is getting thrown way off kilter

Realistically though it's probably a rule of cool thing

[mighty narwhal]

my suspicion is either (or both?) of these:

• hell is replicating earthmovers
• in addition to machines invading hell, they're dying and going to hell - particularly, the violence layer

[shy musk]

Thought of something close to #2

Like what if people melded man & machine so close together that they're one in the same and that - instead of just dragging the Soul down and making demons like Husks - Hell pulls in the mechanized body too

I haven't found anything siding with or siding against this though so still a mystery

[shy musk]

Probably, but Ultrakill is surprisingly thorough in explaining what's going on diegeticaly and I find enjoyment in that lore too (weapon variants aside - the Marksman & Red Railcannon are unexplained and are fine that way imo)

[maiden marsh]

There are answers to these questions on that level actually, or at least, implied ones

If you assume the RED TEXT is Hell talking to V1, anyways

[shy musk]

Ah that's a fun inclusion of that theory

[mint fulcrum]

Hells almost certainly behind the mechanized husk troops

Soldier + Stalker

though I guess theres still the mini-story told through the Testaments

where it looks like God is lamenting the creation of free will, and experimenting with alternative solutions

[verbal mortar]

i thought it was the ||s p a c e d o u t t e x t like at the beginning of P-2 and in the P-2 ARG||

where it goes ||h a v e f u n ! : - )||

[wheat bay]

||hell has some secret text in 7-4 where only some of it is spaced out||

[maiden marsh]

the spaced out text seems to just be for emphasis lol

[kindred hamlet]

w i d e

[velvet stump]

(very slight spoilers for 7-2)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Ultrakill/comments/18vsy3s/what_the_fuck/

[mint fulcrum]

talked ULTRALORE with someone today for a bit, got me thinking

after Violence and ||its narrative about the final war, and the ending of the final war||

Frauds probably going to be ||About the Hell Expeditions, solving some of the last crucial setting mysteries||

but what does that have to do with Fraud? (not that layer names have been particularly thematically relevant)

we're thinking ||Either Hell, or P3 if it carved the minotaur, welcomed mankind into its exploration - at first - with malicious intent. Each of the Kings seems to have ruled over a layer at some point or another - violence doesn't really seem to be connected, so P3 will probably have ruled over Treachery||

||Ultrakill deviates from Dante's Inferno, but does take note of its descriptions, like violence's forests or its general progression of violence against others -> self -> god. Whats Fraud described as? A funnel-shaped cavern, crossed by ditches and bridges - could combine with what we've seen of humanities buildings in hell to be some sort of futuristic quarry, built in the same style as the level connectors||

||If this King / Hell Itself used the Hell Expeditions to trick humanity into its ultimate destruction, that fits with the layer, could expand on what humanity was trying to get out of hell + why its a bad idea, and neatly ties up why humanity died out. Also gives P3 a different vibe to the other kings, while still having them betray the Order of Heaven. Plus Hell seems like its a fan of nihilistic destruction, perhaps it was trying to make things end up how they 'should've'?||

its all pretty much fanfiction tbh
but I do think the Expeditions will get expanded in layer 8

I'm placing my bets on that easy

if I'm right I'll pog if I'm not you didn't see anything

||I think Hell killing humanity / living humanity doing it to themselves is probably a better plot beat than P3 doing it, because P3 is just some guy. Would be kinda unsatisfying imo if its just a random asshole who did it - though if they were a pawn or fallguy of Hell it could work.||

[shy musk]

Wait we know who P3 is?

[mint fulcrum]

naur

[shy musk]

And-oh

I thought there was an explicit 3rd king based off what you said lol

[mint fulcrum]

but ||the Minotaur was a gift from ◾◾◾◾ ◾◾◾◾◾◾||

[shy musk]

WUH

OH right I forgot to read their entry

Should do that lol

[mint fulcrum]

top two theories for that name are ||King [Blank]|| or ||Hell Itself||

lmao

[shy musk]

Bit later tho, gonna see if the games I bought can run on my comp

[mint fulcrum]

my personal pet theory for ages was that P3 would be something trying to ally with / spread / take advantage of Hell's power, so thats also biasing my read lol

||Its why I 👀 at the minotaur terminal, its slightly more evidence than I had before, when it was pretty much just saying "wouldn't it be cool and thematic if...?"||

[sacred jetty]

||P-3 ending with fighting Hell would honestly be a good capstone if the game's mainline 'ending' is a final Gabe fight, which I figure it'll be||

[mint fulcrum]

I want their rebellion to be on a different axis than Minos or Sisyphus' were

[sacred jetty]

||That or Hakita deploys the psionic weapon of a potential P-4 that requires Max P Rank for Hell||

[mint fulcrum]

||After 7-4 I'm not sure Hell would fight us if we tried to kill it, maybe its trying to do some sort of GODFIST SUICIDE||

oops left @ on

[sacred jetty]

all good

[mint fulcrum]

deconfirmed by Hakita

[sacred jetty]

Dammit

entirely fair!

but still

[mint fulcrum]

I've heard some people claim the code has space for a "Layer 10" stored away, but ehhhh

[sacred jetty]

I feel like given how P-2 is ||a P-4 would involve Hakita actually inventing mind flayers in real life so he could have it teleport to you and hit you with a folding chair||

[mint fulcrum]

I don't put stock in it

you gotta be careful looking for patterns in only 2 acts

[sacred jetty]

this is true

[mint fulcrum]

like idk if P3 will be greek

maybe!

[sacred jetty]

P-3 will kill me

that is all I know

[mint fulcrum]

definitely possible, would be cool, but like

not confirmed by any means

I'm still riding high on the "Layer 7 boss will be a ||Titanic Machine||" prediction I've been hollering about to my friends since Sisyphus dropped

[sacred jetty]

I had made a similar prediction then Forgot

so when i got there I had a really funny moment of ||looking up with this exact timing||

"Oh right, these things."
||[EARTHMOVER SCREAMING]||

[mint fulcrum]

nice

[mighty narwhal]

||yeah i predicted big machine layer boss as well, though all things considered i expected one for fraud instead of violence||

[shy musk]

On the topic of Earthmovers I like how they have another bot as their brain

[verbal mortar]

im guessing it'll probably just be epilogue stuff

or like the ||actual|| final boss of DUSK

[maiden marsh]

could be King Aeacus (Judge of the underworld) of Greek mythology, but I couldn't find a prisoner of Tartarus with a six-letter name

[mighty narwhal]

||my conjecture continues to be hell itself redacted here and king tantalus being the source of p-3||

[cobalt lodge]

Why is there just a random thing floating in mid air in greed one 😕

[wheat bay]

i think it's one of the husk enemies

[teal flint]

man's chilling

[maiden marsh]

did they make the knuckleblaster crazy or something

[thick pecan]

we think feedbacker got buffed more this patch but knuckle got more uses

[shy musk]

Crazy how?

[cobalt lodge]

...well that's terrifying

Ultrakill just casually reminding me why I will never play subnautica

[shy musk]

It's harrowing at first but keep at it, it'll get less underwater soon

Also, that part's skipable! Gotta do it for the challenge condition, even

[honest cairn]

i can post this now

[mint fulcrum]

||https://www.tumblr.com/raptorrobot/738196659289325568/like-antennas-to-heaven-link-to-the-comic-in-hq?source=share||

entire banger comic

actually

let me spoiler that

its got the 7-4 boss ||and the secret text||

[teal flint]

holy shit

[mint fulcrum]

right?!?

[wheat bay]

||https://www.tumblr.com/creative-clawmarks/737470891813961728/your-destiny-once-denied-stands-now-before||

this comic is also cool

[teal flint]

Hahaha

[honest cairn]

HOLY SHIT HAKITA ULTRAKILL

[uncut trout]

iirc canonically they can’t handle prime souls

[mint fulcrum]

think Hakita has pushed against the idea of a singular canon before

but also said something to the effect of “Anyone can kill anyone else”

[wheat bay]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJezdImYQfs ||

[honest cairn]

oh yeah ||There's people in 'em. No wonder, Hell did take inspo from the Guttermen||

that's ||why they breathe||

[leaden wren]

I think not all of them breathe, just the ones that pose or activate, because the mannequins in the room after you take the red skull or the 4 in the hallway that don't activate don't breathe

[uncut trout]

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[wheat bay]

awesome!

[uncut trout]

i figured out how to ||rodeo the minotaur which makes the fight a lot easier||

||just sit on the cow and Do Combos||

||Cowmbos if you will||

[cobalt lodge]

[uncut trout]

back 2 back

[plush nymph]

you got 7-1, which is by far the hardest P-rank outside P-1 and P-2 IMO

so enjoy the victory lap

[uncut trout]

P rank whilst ||marked for death||

it was harder but i wanted it so bad

gotta be the star of the show

[honest cairn]

🥳

[sweet pebble]

Liked by Hakita

[velvet prawn]

When there is War without Reason 😳

[velvet prawn]

Pspspspsisyphus

[burnt zinc]

awww yis

I forgot to screenshot the actual end of level screen >.>

the update that added times for each level has made me replay them again

[mighty narwhal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0knVMBF8buo the crazy fucker who did all act 1 and 2 bosses damageless fist only is at it again

[prime gull]

thats fucking dope

6-2 is a really good boss to speed-kill, its a fun boss level

[wheat bay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9yiv-IFDW4

[honest cairn]

"Ordinarily, that would bother me." Divine-
"But today-" Divin- "-it doesn't." Divi-
"Because I'm having a good day." Div- Di- Div-

LITERALLY SEETHING

THE DEATH OF GOD'S WILL

[burnt zinc]

I need to get a mod that increases his health, he's so much fun but dies too fast

[mint fulcrum]

^ this meme

but with this guy ^

do you see what I mean

[prime gull]

Gabe 2 in 6-2 actually has the same amount of health (100 total) as Gabe 1 in 3-2

so he seems much easier in act 2 compared to act 1 because in act 2 you have 2 new weapons and better knowledge of combos & tech compared to your first experience in 3-2

he also can much more easily fly into nail & saw traps in 6-2 than in 3-2 so you can pretty easily shred him to phase 2 in a single shot if you know what youre doing

less so in 3-2 where he appears in the direct center of the arena with no way to place nails anywhere near him

6-2 has more lethal attacks but it doesnt mean much when you can pretty much rip half his healthbar off right off spawn with nail, coin, coin, rail, coin, coin

[uncut trout]

idk why but i’m really struggling to P rank earthmover

[thick pecan]

It's a pretty big stage largely composed of enemies that are kinda hard to get good style off of

[sacred jetty]

Excellent work

And ya Earthmover was hell until my roommate told me you could rail coin add it (I had tried and it failed repeatedly at first)

Absolutely miserable arena to exist in

[leaden wren]

I suppose you could railcoin it, honestly I had just been parrying it for damage

The lasers are painful to get through

[sacred jetty]

Yes

I was aiming to speedrun ig to avoid dealing with the cycle

Railcoin add into repeated sharpshooter parries

Then just shotgun swapping

[prime gull]

i fight it like flesh prison tbh

parry when possible, open with railcoin-add, use sawblades to multi-hit with magnets, then shotgun swap for dps

[uncut trout]

i used saws and overheat nails + rail gun to open the fight, then shotgun swapping for a bit whilst everything recharges, and occasionally swapping to coins when i needed to run from lasers

and then repeat

overheat nails do sooo much damage they’re great

and i used the idols for full heals

[livid vale]

https://clips.twitch.tv/BlindingProudSparrowWOOP-XZvx1SOAD8B7_v-4

fresh from the live stream

[graceful flax]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X78f7g6RZac

[livid vale]

oh shit

[verbal mortar]

hakita sounds exactly like how i expected him to, but also nothing like how i expected him to

[kindred hamlet]

I keep forgetting that his avatar is based on that one dude from that anime about an antisocial guy

[cobalt lodge]

That does not narrow things down very much

[kindred hamlet]

Saika Totsuka from Hamachi

[gray needle]

Anyone got p-2 tips i need help

[mint fulcrum]

boss or level?

[gray needle]

The level

Haven't gotten to the good ole boulderman yet

Ive already P-ranked Minos and the rest of the game (sans Violence), but p-2 is a hurdle for me

[mint fulcrum]

hmm

levels harder to give general advice for because theres so much stuff

most of its about forcing you to contend with weird room designs and hazards

so I think speed matters less than precision?

learning how to consistently parry mindflayers, swordsmachines and ferrymen - or how to dodge cerberus without needing much space

its the same reason Violence 1 can be a little tricky

P-ranking that level, or at least getting consistently good at it, might transfer the skills

[verbal slate]

I've been running circles around something wicked for a hour now and I still haven't seen a red skull or a blue pedestal

I am beginning to feel ultradumb

[graceful flax]

Buddhism amirite

[summer pine]

Finally gonna get around to the new ULTRAKILL layer, wish me luck.

[cobalt lodge]

Have fun with violence’s incredible violence!

[summer pine]

Oh I'm rusty as fuck. Haha.

[teal flint]

the world is white, the world is red

[summer pine]

Wow, these new enemies sure are nasty, huh?

[cobalt lodge]

Ultrakill is very easy to get rusty for tbh

[summer pine]

Yeah and I haven't played it since about April, so I'm having to re-learn a lot of things. Plus, I was never very good at the parry mechanic.

[teal flint]

yeah you want to be using the fists a lot in violence

[summer pine]

Oh I don't like this.

[summer pine]

I stopped because I was struck with sudden inspiration to draw.

[teal flint]

LIGHT UP THE NIGHT

[summer pine]

Remind me what a blue flash on an enemy means?

[cobalt lodge]

It's an attack that can't be parried

[summer pine]

Ah, okay.

I do not like this cow.

That was a really mean cow.

[teal flint]

The minotaur is a weird fight yeah

[mint fulcrum]

I’m a fan of that

I like that Hakitas stuffing in more ways to challenge players

[kindred hamlet]

I have not P-ranked any of the new Violence levels 😔
But the Bull of Hell theme keeps playing in my head on loop

[gray needle]

Ive P ranked 7-1, but 7-2 is kicking my ass

Guttertanks suck

[wheat bay]

https://youtu.be/vo4aBPxqBMY?si=wK3gyty3IODhdytt

[maiden marsh]

finally decided to go back and P-Rank all of Act II

just got 5-3 and 6-1 left

why is the P-rank for 4-2 so hard lol

[gray needle]

Sand

[kindred hamlet]

people called it an Iskander bc of all the mines
i call it a Zheng because of its stupid robotsaitama punch

i could P-rank 7-1 if i didn't keep on getting lost looking for that blue skull

[mint fulcrum]

true

[plush nymph]

7-1 was by far the hardest to P-rank

7-3 I actually got first time through a giant stroke of luck with the infighting

[maiden marsh]

AHH LETS FUCKEN GOO

violent difficulty btw

[honest cairn]

YEAH CONGRATS

[maiden marsh]

man, Measurehead really never had a prayer huh

[plush nymph]

Gabe 2 and Minos both have this thing going on where they can absolutely ruin your day for a bit but once you learn their deal they're practically free kills

Not looking forward to grinding P-2 because Sisyphus was not remotely like that for me, although I was on Violent

[maiden marsh]

Sispyhus is fucking unbeatable

[verbal mortar]

me too, vinny, me too

[maiden marsh]

I ain't posting that shit bruh I got my ass beat 💀

[brave crest]

i just got through the first level of violence

this game is so good holy shit

[teal flint]

Right?

[uncut trout]

yeah, the shmovement is unlocked by mental illness

[uncut trout]

it just nails what it wants to be doing at all times

i think violence is my current favourite layer cause of how chaotic everything gets, just absolute bloodbaths

heresy is also good for the same reason

greed too

i need to redo P-2

i'm gonna practice ||sisyphus|| a bunch then work on the level

[uncut trout]

yeah i think i died like twice in the regular rooms and then like 60 times to the cow

[teal flint]

The minotaur is fascinating because it's... not really an Ultrakill boss?

[uncut trout]

also i fucking love being star of the show in 7-3

[teal flint]

You can't heal, you're confined to platforming, you can't do weird schmovement

It's a boss from a different FPS game

[uncut trout]

yeah kinda, definitely for the first phase anyhow

[teal flint]

The second fight is much more standard

[sharp pewter]

Minotaur is very weak to Green Drill, or at least it helped me a lot

[uncut trout]

i think for me one of the big things is the scale of it, it's not a set piece like most of the other big bosses, but simultaneously it's a lot bigger than V1

[uncut trout]

i just jumped on its back, it can't get you off

[teal flint]

But making that first one so different than anything else in the game is why it's so tough, despite not Technically being that hard
because in ultrakill you're really used to like
being able to take hits and then blast them back

it doesn't matter if you get hurt you're doing the sickest shit imaginable and heal back

[uncut trout]

i think it's part of the struggle with V2 as well

V2 is pretty hard to heal off of

at least imo

[sharp pewter]

anytime healing is hard I use the drill

[teal flint]

I never had much trouble with the V2 fights tbh

[uncut trout]

i did but it's very much a thing of waiting for my brain to click with the fight

and once it did i stopped struggling entirely

[teal flint]

Gabriel was my big stopgap

[uncut trout]

god yeah gabriel 1 was super hard for me

gabriel 2 conversely i nearly did first try

[teal flint]

Gabe the First I was trying to stick to with a shotgun for a while and that just was not working whatsoever
switching to just pistoling him to death made it much easier on myself

[uncut trout]

i mainly used nailguns for damage

cause once you land a magnet on him you don't need to aim too much

and he's weak to nails a bit which helped

i love overheat nails so much

[sharp pewter]

I haven't actually used nails in a long time , I have specalized hard into Sawblade Hell

[uncut trout]

i use magnet saw because it's super good but i will never give up my beloved overheat nails

it's just a dopamine injection to hear the brrrrt

[sharp pewter]

Overheat used to be my go to maurice killer

now I mario stomp or shotgun them

[uncut trout]

i use shotgun swapping for maurice, cause it goes down fairly quick

i usually use nails for cerberi?

but honestly they're tanky enough it's usually a mix of weapons

marksman coins are my go to when i'm moving about cause i don't have to worry about aiming at enemies

[teal flint]

i do the funny ricochet move on maurice

[uncut trout]

oh?

[maiden marsh]

I do pump shotgun >any other damage on maurice

[sharp pewter]

Oh fun thing I discovered, Gutterman have a +Mauriced style instantkill

when they die and fall over

[teal flint]

The ricochet pistol detonates projectiles, so if you hit em while it's shooting it just superblasts their ass

[uncut trout]

oh i think that happened once for me as well

it's fun

[uncut trout]

oh neat

[maiden marsh]

Oh yeah Sharpsing Maurices is an option too

[uncut trout]

new way to deal with mindflayers as well then

[maiden marsh]

It’s hard to do it on Mindflayers

Rocket is easier

[uncut trout]

i need to incorporate rockets into my combos better i think

admittedly really what i need for that is just normalise using magnets with rockets more

[maiden marsh]

Rockets are tricky because they don’t heal you

So they fall outside of the normal loop

[teal flint]

I don't know how to use rockets yet tbh

[maiden marsh]

Red rockets need to create a healing blood burst that would be genius

I’d use it

[uncut trout]

they definitely feel like more of a long ranged option to me

[maiden marsh]

I use SRS cannon pretty frequently

The rockets are nice on magnetized enemies and cannonball = dead Cerb

It’s free real estate

[uncut trout]

magnet into ground slam into rocket seems like it could be a decent combo for some things

[maiden marsh]

When I get home tonight I will attempt to railcoinadd on Sissypants like never before

[uncut trout]

oh as another thing

i do not like the leviathan boss fight

like conceptually it's rad

[maiden marsh]

Rocket go in mouth damage go brrr

[uncut trout]

but it just doesn't feel as interactive as most of the others

like it just kinda hovers and does attacks at you, which i suppose minos corpse also does but more happens when you get him low

[honest cairn]

@shy gust heyyy
checking if pings work in threads

[shy gust]

hai

:3 yeeeee

[honest cairn]

yahoooo

[velvet prawn]

ULTRAPING

NO FUCK

[umbral musk]

I read that wrong at first, ngl

[iron stream]

ultrakill is my favourite bible fanfiction

[brave crest]

beat violence

this layer was so damn stylish

[maiden marsh]

Okay

I need advice for beating the bad man

how do I fight Sisyphus Prime

[thick pecan]

Parries are very important for restoring stamina
getting hit reduces your speed we think?
The 4 hit combo covers a lot of space and Sisyphus can initiate it from a large radius around you. Be wary of it.
Dashing diagonally as opposed to just back or to the side is good we think (heard it once)

[maiden marsh]

Boulder: punched

Sisyphus is dead

[thick pecan]

Did our advice help at all

[maiden marsh]

yeah kinda?

I mostly ended up playing super lame and doing railcoinadds whenever he ran out of stamina

and parrying very few attacks so he'd get worn out faster

it's a balancing act, parrying restores your stamina and health so it's great when you're in a tight spot, but it also restores Sisyphus's stamina so it makes the fight harder for longer

[thick pecan]

ohhh interesting

[maiden marsh]

and when he runs out of stamina, if you're quick, you can fucking smoke him with a railcoinadd

[honest cairn]

https://youtu.be/YBRCk3O0nVg?si=ffcYnpvMDbrzEz-i

[dusk parcel]

i think minotaur has now taken my spot for least favourite boss

i really dont like the enemies that just have armour and that's the entire gimmick

[teal flint]

Minotaur interests me by not really being like, an Ultrakill boss

[dusk parcel]

its moveset is so weird

also you can just ride it and avoid all attacks lol

[teal flint]

It encourages an entirely different mindset and type of movement

[dusk parcel]

i also think my mindset is affected by the fact that i havent played in months

hold on, let me quickly readjust my mindset

i beat layer 7 after not playing for months in one sitting, im just goate

minotaur is actually great because i figured out how to kill it without thinking

layer 7 designs fucks though

absolutely one of the best depictions of the layer of violence ive ever seen

[brave crest]

layer 7 has the best aesthetics in the game i think

FEED IT.

VIOLENCE /// THIRD

NO SOUND, NO MEMORY

[mighty narwhal]

no misses on soundtrack

[gray needle]

Ultrakill soundtrack never misses
Ship of Fools is my favorite one i think
Either that or ORDER

[verbal mortar]

ship of fools was my go to railjack music when I still played warframe

[mint fulcrum]

- Sawblades no longer get the nailbomb damage bonus
- Added a optional seperate punch binds for each arm

- Dying Mindflayers and dead Guttermen are now whiplashable
- Player can now heal off of dying Mindflayers```
```- Reimplemented "Super Slide Jump" tech```

👀

I didnt even know you could launch dying mindflayers

[verbal ore]

I think they added that recently

[mint fulcrum]

I'm always a fan of more knuckleblaster tech

[maiden marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPA2rG8YB4A

[cobalt lodge]

I really need to start actually using the knuckleblaster

[cobalt lodge]

Admittedly I’m not sure what it’s actually useful for

[maiden marsh]

it does a lot of damage and yeets enemies away

[wheat bay]

it can also break gutterman shields

[plush nymph]

great for combo killing Maurices

grapple, charged pump shotgun blast, knuckleblaster punch

can also whiplash and then red punch almost any basic enemy for an easy kill

if you are swarmed by Filth, the shockwave it produces does just enough damage to gib all of them at once

[livid vale]

• Added a optional seperate punch binds for each arm
  i guess that's the woolie influened change (not just woolie but timing is funny when woolie mentioned that on stream)

[plush nymph]

but for that you need to do the full hold-punch-for-shotgun-blast rather than just tapping it

[mint fulcrum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57fFH-2R4vI

[maiden marsh]

👌

[maiden marsh]

https://youtu.be/gvcNLrYxgF8

[shy musk]

How do y'all deal with Cerberi?

[kindred hamlet]

Nails and rockets

[umbral musk]

Shooting them to death

[velvet prawn]

Blue Fist > Red Fist

[maiden marsh]

Cannonballs

[sacred jetty]

railcoin add if they're the biggest issue, mag-saws and cannons otherwise

and sharpshooter rebounds actually

I try and to the Promotional Video thing of firing a shot looking straight down with a roof overhead to get the multiple ricochet

[honest cairn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75qn-37rmKE
the sequel

[kindred hamlet]

finally, a W

[verbal slate]

I can't get used to changing variants with E, what are some common alternate binds?

is there a way to use number keys?

[cobalt lodge]

IIRC pressing the keybind for the equipped weapon will also switch variants

[kindred hamlet]

im a lefty so i changed the key bindings wholesale

[shy musk]

This is a toggle in the settings iirc but yep, I use this a lot

[summer pine]

My Windows install devoured itself like Saturn devouring his son and I lost my ULTRAKILL progress and now I have to do the Garden of Forking Paths again.

[summer pine]

I don't like that cow.

[summer pine]

Also my shells from the Knuckleblaster aren't despawning and it's starting to murder my framerate.

[summer pine]

ow that last room

[maiden marsh]

Light Up The Night is actually a gnarly level lmao

[honest cairn]

👀 it can be even gnarlier

[summer pine]

The level after it felt easy in comparison.

[summer pine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moHN6fu64KE

[summer pine]

hourugh i'm going to bed i think

[verbal slate]

double swordsmachines ultrakilled

overcharged nailgun my beloved

also I don't understand the way V2 telegraphs its attacks whatsoever but I was still able to win in about 20 attempts

surely beating brickwall skillcheck bosses with my hardened cranium will never backfire

[uncut trout]

it's ||the wing colour, it changes depending on if it's gonna close in or disengage||

[spark cradle]

finally grinded out all the pranks for violence. 7-2 was/is so hard for me

didnt mind the long multi-minutes stretches for like. 6-1 but holy shit, 7-2 is work

[summer pine]

7-4 was cool at first but I ended up not liking it very much.

[spark cradle]

really cool set piece really cool lore, awkward fights though

even though guttertanks are managable they just take so many resources to kill quickly/put you in a vulnerable spot if you want to do it the quickest route

[summer pine]

I never really figured out how to kill them quickly so even more than one turned into a slog.

[spark cradle]

for the ABSOLUTE quickest (to my knowledge), you can ride their rockets after freezing them and turn them around to instakill them if it hits them

but you yk

have to freeze them

jump on them

spend a little time turning it around

which like sitting still in ultrakill is not. well 1. not fun and 2. will get you killed ime

but honestly i just freeze rockets, put a nailmagnet on one, and spam rockets until the timer runs out and it homes in on them

which takes longer but it gives a lot of red explosions that MIGHT get something else in the blast

also it doesnt make me sit as still

you can also bait a punch, dash away and parry them while theyre getting back up or instead of a parry you can set up like railcoins+adds

but they are soooo tanky even then

also the punches have a surprisingly big hitbox thats hard for me to adjust to

[leaden wren]

If you put a magnet on them, and freezeframe at the right time, it will turn their rockets around midair

[spark cradle]

but you have to ride it to get the instakill right?

[leaden wren]

Then you jump on the rocket and ride it to them. This is still fairly hard to pull off

It reduces the turning time though

[spark cradle]

true true

[spark cradle]

esp when there's a lot going on but i like the option being there

[maiden marsh]

w h a t

[spark cradle]

yeah it's called +round trip iirc

for the style

[maiden marsh]

oh, nice DMC ref

[spark cradle]

ultrakill is so blatant w its inspirations it's kind of endearing

[maiden marsh]

why kind of

it's very endearing, lol

their site is devilmayquake.com

[spark cradle]

lmao i just use "kind of" as a filler phrase

[maiden marsh]

fair

[spark cradle]

i was absolutely eating up the house of leaves level

im a sucker and hakita knows it

[summer pine]

Anyone else really struggle with the middle part of Trauma Loop where you have to drop down- wait wrong shooter made by an insane Finnish person.

[spark cradle]

Finnish People make good shooters because they have two letters out of FPS already

[maiden marsh]

and Finnish Person's Shooter = FPS

qed

[summer pine]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-v1-gabriel-gif-26595155

[spark cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/professor-layton-clive-dove-future-luke-lost-future-unwound-future-gif-24353193

average finnish day

[shy musk]

Trauma Loop is from...Turbo Overkill?

[verbal ore]

Cruelty Squad

[mint fulcrum]

gorbinomayquake dot com

Finnish Dev ✅
Grappling Hook ✅
Eat what you kill ✅

I mean they're basically the same game

[uncut trout]

also yes

[uncut trout]

idk i find shotgun swapping and saw traps tend to handle them decently well and they’re not tooo tricky to dodge once you’ve got some practice

[spark cradle]

yeah it's just adjusting to the new layers' difficulty

like poosting kills everything right but it's the time to kill for just poosting and not spending resources that makes me atrophy in long combats

but i am trying that fancy trick where you whiplash a Guttertank and dash back before zipping back in

it feels so cool to pull off

[sacred jetty]

this has made me realise: does fear and hunger have a grappling hook of any kind?

it could also be The Same Game

[verbal slate]

I haven't figured out the secret to coins yet and I'm avoiding looking tech up until I get deeper into the game with my own two brain cells

even when I bounce a charged/sharps shoot off 4 coins the results don't blow me away

sharps in a location with parallel walls is comical though

my game got very confused trying to process the histop when I cut down an entire spawn wave with one shot bouncing back and forth

[spark cradle]

I don't want to spoil anything but the coins are the absolute highlight of the game

but i caaan give hints if you want

[verbal slate]

hmm

actually, sure

[spark cradle]

If you want more specific hints lmk
Depending on how far you are into the game you'll unlock different weapons, a lot of these weapons will have similar properties to each other. Some will be hitscan and some will be projectiles

These weapons will have a lot of interactions together so experimenting with your arsenal will reveal a lot of tech, not just for coins

[kindred hamlet]

How do you folks deal with the laser brain in the final Violence level

[velvet prawn]

My methods, in order of priority but be a free spirit about it
||Slide in the direction of the laser-grid's movement
Pump and dump a magnet, full buzzsaw, and then both charges of overheating nails
Throw coins as you will, but don't forget to cannonball
Use the idols to propel yourself forward, but also wait until the grid has passed over you before you do
Parry the funny blue orbs||

[mint fulcrum]

I try to slam-jump at least 3-4s of them, and heal off the remainder with ||parrying the funny blue orbs||

sometimes take a couple seconds at the idols to wait for the right moment

[uncut trout]

fucking finally

[spark cradle]

nice!!!

[uncut trout]

||saw magnet and overheat nails it first, then railgun it, then shotgun swapping + projectile boosting until the other ones are off cooldown, making sure to parry its orbs. make sure to be moving in the same direction as the lasers, sliding and dashing as you go||

[spark cradle]

^^^

[uncut trout]

we're doing good besties

lets see if i can survive disco elysium

||panopticon down, only the big guy left||

damnit i died

ok that was

a lot of deaths

ngl

[maiden marsh]

Destroy.

[spark cradle]

Yes, that's it!

[cobalt lodge]

This will hurt.

[mighty narwhal]

Be gone.

[maiden marsh]

You can’t escape.

[mighty narwhal]

Nice try!

[mint fulcrum]

keep ‘em coming!

[uncut trout]

i didn't even bother finishing the fight cause i was trying to get my rank above D and that was well and truly out of reach

[spark cradle]

my first p-2 success required 117 restarts. safe to say I'm not keen on pranking it

[mint fulcrum]

I like to keep going each p attempt unless I die really early

not gonna restart if I die in sandroom, good practice

[plush nymph]

Sisyphus is extremely difficult for me but I'm doing all right at the rest, besides the tunnel of love

[kindred hamlet]

ah thankyou

[mighty narwhal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avQU19-RFNA

[summer pine]

I FORGOT TO BUY THE SAW GUN

[spark cradle]

It's over

[summer pine]

No wonder I struggled so much with Violence throughout.

[spark cradle]

They're really convenient for some parts

[summer pine]

I did beat it. But still.

[spark cradle]

could beat it with more ease!

[summer pine]

Yes, I will definitely do that and not forget and end up playing STALKER for sixteen hours this weekend.

[spark cradle]

oooh now that you mention it i cannot wait for stalker 2

[umbral musk]

You don't buy it, you find it

[summer pine]

Where do you find it?

[thick pecan]

SECRET

[spark cradle]

it's a secret

but if you want spoilers

[thick pecan]

The Druids hold the truth

(Everything you need to find the saw gun is in the second half of Greed)

[spark cradle]

||You're supposed to fight the Mysterious Druid Knight and get a tablet that tells you about a room with a||
||Feline and a Rodent||
||Just use the appropriate weapon on the water to unlock something for it, it's been a while||

i think that's correct? have not thought abt it for a while

But I really do recommend trying to find it normally by secret hunting

I found it fun

[uncut trout]

yeah tunnel of love sucks

i have started using overheat saws

and whilst i normally do use regular overheat and still will, P-2 regular combat is hard enough that they’re needed

[sacred jetty]

Report back when you find the Sawgun Hint please

it's a large funny

[summer pine]

I don't like secret hunting so I'll just take the spoilers, thank you.

[summer pine]

https://fxtwitter.com/mipexch_/status/1750449945595797846

[kindred hamlet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-SOU-uJh6o

(original animation by Steve Cutts)

[mighty narwhal]

vaguely considering trying playing again, how does one make a control scheme that's less nightmarish for the left hand. i can't be pressing movement keys and hitting weapon swap number keys and punching and jumping and slamming and sliding and dashing and such all in quick succession and some simultaneously with only one hand and i'm told the game sucks on controller

[brave crest]

I have punch on one of my mouse side buttons

Though I recommend having different buttons for the different punches so you don't punch with red arm when you want a parry or vice versa

I know some people bind Shotgun to q for ease of access

[brave crest]

i wonder how ultrakill is gonna end

like a 'happy' ending isn't in the cards i think, the world is on its way out

[mighty narwhal]

my suspicion: featureless, empty room in which v1 eventually runs out of power

i wonder how canon the p-levels are to ultrakill as a whole. p-2 acknowledges p-1 but no info on them is present elsewhere aiui

[brave crest]

that would fit, definitely

i think it might be gabe and v1 together at the end though

[mighty narwhal]

i'm fairly sure that, if p-3 has a first boss, it'd be flesh oubliette

part of me thinks it'd be hilarious if gabriel's corpse is just There, Unexplained in like 8-2 or something, though there would probably be a lot of backlash

[brave crest]

what greek king would fit?

for p3

[mighty narwhal]

i suspect tantalus

[brave crest]

mmm

i wonder how they might interpret him then

minos and sisyphus are much more sympathetic than their original versions

[mint fulcrum]

If theres a happy ending, its that gods mistake is finished

[spark cradle]

MANKIND IS DEAD
HELL IS EMPTY
BLOOD IS GONE

Though I can imagine a bittersweet ending if Gabe&V1 die together and the unnamed masses of heaven are left to do whatever without the rule of the Council. Or V1 could pay a visit to heaven for a change. somehow

[mighty narwhal]

i do distantly wonder if the end will be a teaser for ULTRAKILL 2: PURGATORIO

[brave crest]

i don't really think there should be a sequel

[verbal slate]

V1 gets to the bottom of hell and Dante Inferno is there like "where's my sequel" and punches you out to a cliffhanger black screen

[umbral musk]

It ends with V1 in an Ocean of Blood, like Iron Lung

[mighty narwhal]

me neither, really. would be funny though

[uncut trout]

https://fixvx.com/ULTRAKILLGame/status/1751304491398279670?s=20

[thick pecan]

New difficulty????????

Ooooh

Honestly that actually will make Filth way nastier

[mighty narwhal]

they fly now? they fly now

[mighty narwhal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXyIm8LEVak

[mint fulcrum]

To him, playing an impossible match with full knowledge of its futility and taking joy in just the act of gaming itself is the ultimate rebellion against the oppressor.

[uncut trout]

i feel like treachery needs at least one room where it’s just raining fresh blood and you are being healed constantly

and it’s just an absolute slaughter

[spark cradle]

hell is thoroughly loving V1's antics so I can see that happening

[thick pecan]

Act 3 has been going hard with the cool rooms so we can believe it

[sweet pebble]

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZT8tTPCVv/

[spark cradle]

well shit

[mighty narwhal]

wonder how fraud and treachery will be paced. in particular, wonder about bosses. pattern suggests a giant boss will be fought in 8-4 and gabriel will be fought in 9-2, but with the general pattern-breaking 7-4 did (||giant boss fight earlier on instead of v2, no new arm, no new alt weapon||) it's possible it might get shaken up

[spark cradle]

im thinking the new arm would be gabriel's, but that's my crackpot theory. secret level is in 7...-3? i think so that will be probably be another reference to something

||it could be 8-4 that has v2 but it might be dead 100%||

8th layer will probably be dedicated to building p-3's prime soul's background

and alluding to them

for technical structure hakita has been opening up his levels more and more so I imagine we'd see more of that

cant say anything specific as im not a game dev nor perceptive enough to predict how the UK team will subvert its own structure

||i am super hype about the next alt variant because slab and sawblade have just been devastating weapons||

[mighty narwhal]

i suspect/hope that the devil appears as a boss somewhere

[spark cradle]

||While I love the greek king theme, I do like the idea of lucifer being another tragic figure V1 kills||

||i hope his prime soul head thing actually weeps to really nail in the DMC tie.||

[velvet stump]

I think that it's still in line with the structure of "machine > misc (husk/demon) > angel"

[mighty narwhal]

well yes, but ||it does still frontload "giant boss" from second layer of act to first, so it does make it a bit less clear||

[mint fulcrum]

I'm just glad we got a giant boss at all

2's not enough to establish a strong pattern

but theres some I think are more likely than not

like gabe fight 3 almost certainly's gonna happen

[thick pecan]

||V2 has been confirmed dead by Hakita||

[spark cradle]

||I have hope I still have stocks invested in it. It'll make a comeback I swear /j||

[thick pecan]

||Dawg you gotta sell before the crash...||

[mighty narwhal]

||we saw it explode in a shower of blood and componence on screen||

[spark cradle]

||TRUST. IT'LL COME BACK. JUST LIKE NORTEL.||

[spark cradle]

point and laugh 🫵

[mighty narwhal]

wonder if arm 4 might be a shield

[shy musk]

To be fair the explosion blows away hell energy

[honest cairn]

I HAVE A HUNCH ABOUT THE FOURTH ARM

||it might be Gabriel's||

[velvet prawn]

I also have a hunch
||It's Benjamin's||

[shy musk]

I also have a hunch
||It's yours 🫵 ||
/j

[thick pecan]

The fourth arm ||being Gabriel's|| is possibly one of the most popular theories we have seen tbh

[kindred hamlet]

Fits with the name of the final act

[velvet prawn]

No wait

[honest cairn]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Hakita said we can use she her for V2...

This means Dreams End Come True is yuri

[iron stream]

is ULTRAKILL toxic yuri

[thick pecan]

Were we operating under the assumption it isn't?

[cobalt lodge]

I think we were operating under the assumption it was toxic yaoi

[velvet prawn]

Boys, Ghouls, and other nefarious beings
I think ULTRAKILL is just toxic in general

Have you SEEN the rats?

[verbal mortar]

they’re cancerous not toxic

:)

[velvet prawn]

What caused the cancers if not ULTRAKILL?

[mint fulcrum]

I think it might be yuri but its definitely yaoi

and these aren't mutually exclusive

[mighty narwhal]

https://youtu.be/DsK_ZjhsojM flashing lights warning

[mighty narwhal]

tried to get into playing ultrakill again, unfortunately i couldn't get past "just kind of lost" in terms of competence

[spark cradle]

anything specific you might want help with?

[mighty narwhal]

not really, though i appreciate the offer

at this point i've accepted that my main engagement with ultrakill is the soundtrack

[spark cradle]

🙏 valid

[mighty narwhal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4HovBdrsYM don't see this track talked about much

[mint fulcrum]

If Cold Winds has a million fans I'm one of them
If Cold Winds has 5 fans, I'm one of them
If' Cold Winds has a single fan, that fan is me
If all of hell is against Cold Winds, I will ULTRAKILL hell

till my last P-rank I'll support Cold Winds

[mighty narwhal]

you get me

[mint fulcrum]

||War Without Reason|| has also entered my top songs list

[mighty narwhal]

big concur

[thick pecan]

okay Cold Winds is a good song but it reminds us of Bridgeburner, our least favorite level due to overexposure 😔

[verbal mortar]

it was a very good intro track to lust

but i prefer requiem

[spark cradle]

underrated track