ARPGs

[strong sierra]

Also o just learned about Ingenuity

[keen dagger]

oh yeah that item is nuts. also has one of the best belt bases

[hidden heron]

Ogham Manor you are so annoying by golly by gosh

it's my fault for bringing minionbuild into all these lingering ground AoEs but christ alive there's a lot of them in these narrow hallways

[keen dagger]

yeah the enemy set is brutal on your first time through

[hidden heron]

this is my third character! this one's having the worst time of it but it's just been UGH each time regardless

[fervent raptor]

pretty sure Rampart Raptor's "30% reduced reload speed" modifier is applying twice

also global attack speed affects reload speed

[keen dagger]

yeah you can get reload speed down to basically nothing with the notable cluster and a bit of attack speed

[fervent raptor]

yeah I'll be swapping off this xbow p soon I think

once I get the notable

cause this is baaaaad

[keen dagger]

ooof

[fervent raptor]

actually halved the time with the reload cluster

[keen dagger]

should be like 0.4 seconds after you ditch raptor

[fervent raptor]

Well, galvanic has an inherent 50% less modifier

[keen dagger]

the cost of being incredible

I have an 8 round clip with it feels great

[strong sierra]

Ah crap, you can treally search that well for time-lost jewels on trade

[strong sierra]

Also I need to get more gooder at getting basic currency tod rop

[hidden heron]

A'right

I think I hate that this game is dodgeroll focused

My ping is too bad for it to function

well, it'd be bad without the dodgeroll, guess this is just an Always Online gripe

[knotty glacier]

For once, i am winning as a NZer on that front <.<

It's a bit surreal, tbh, lol

[hidden heron]

Things are a bit two-shotty for lag spikes, would love an option to click into offline

if this exists i am a clown and ignore me

[keen dagger]

damn have u gone to exilecon

[knotty glacier]

Nope. I hadnt actually played poe untiu. this came out

[knotty glacier]

Take that you shitty boss

blew up the bird boss in chaos in a single cast.

[rapid kelp]

Playing around with Witch Minions. I love this focus.

[fervent raptor]

That'd be nuts for det dead brutes damn

You can get a 12% one as well for cheap btw

[fervent raptor]

A vaaled 14% one would be like 500% inc spell damage with good spirit gear

[hollow geyser]

New Grim Dawn dev blog, potion customization is on the way after they converted potions to be cooldown based instead of limited:
https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/grim-misadventure-188-a-look-back-at-2024-s-work-on-new-potions/142987

I started a new Grim Dawn run trying to salvage an early game character I wasn't feeling, the Archon (Shaman+Oathkeeper), and the active dodge and QOL of past couple of patches really makes early game Veteran difficulty pretty engaging and more reliable, managed to get a good lightning 2 hand build zipping around, the dream is still real

[grizzled hamlet]

oooooh that sounds really cool :o

[knotty glacier]

I am raapidly growing to loathe the trade in this game

[keen dagger]

self found giving you extra loot was such an easy thing to steal from last epoch

[frigid kernel]

Are you referring to circle of fortune or something else?

[keen dagger]

ye

[carmine rampart]

we love last epoch

[fervent raptor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-0CAIZn3C0

[keen dagger]

Last epoch has a bunch of great modernized arpg systems obviously made by people who deeply love diablo and poe but want it to be better that poe2 just kind of completely ignored

the three most obvious ones are Factions, crafting, and in game filter editing

[strong sierra]

OH HEY

[keen dagger]

first citadels?

nice I haven't seen any yet just hit t15s lol

[strong sierra]

No, back to back Moment of Zens

[pine wedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/881341630500716584/1326291426237222912/hroqdpsiyibe1.png?ex=677ee4a5&is=677d9325&hm=93fac49d95cc8bf243aa1558765b62e0575f0919c160f642771774c42652747b&

[fervent raptor]

please tell me that's not you

[keen dagger]

60 unreserved spirit wtf??

[frigid kernel]

Yes

[strong sierra]

Honestly I love Moment of Zen already because of how relaxing it is

[pine wedge]

it isn't thankfully

[keen dagger]

I haven't seen any unique maps either lol

[knotty glacier]

You get anything good from them?

[knotty glacier]

Last epoch also only just came out (earlier this year, iirc?). Game dev can't pivot super easily, and the devs have spoken positively about stuff it did. There's time yet

[keen dagger]

it's 2025

it came out in April 2024

but fair enough

has been in open beta with all those features for a while though

[strong sierra]

Not really

I have a second one coming up though

[knotty glacier]

M<ay you get a high roll suiper rare

[strong sierra]

No luck on the second one

[hidden heron]

Wow I

Sure hate the Trial of the Sekhemas Honor system

'your survival stats don't actually count ;3'

Also the console version doesn't have a button to escape once you're out of honor, you have to restart the game

[keen dagger]

they do count

unless you're including regen or leech then get fucked lmao

[hidden heron]

Regen and leech, yeah, just.. never taking hits is not something to lock a core mechanic behind I think

It just feels Actively Unfun and I'll just level past it and come back but.. blegh

why this

[knotty glacier]

This isn't true, they absoloutey do count. Your honor scales (hard) with your ES & Life. Evasion (esp when youh ave a ton and Acrobatics) lets you just avoid a bunch of bullshit. Armor reduces the amount of damage you take, whci can turn physical honor loss into total chip damage.

The big thing with making sekemas easy is to get relics with +Honor reisstance, +Max honor% and +Merchant choices.

+Boss Damage taken, +Monster damage taken, -boss damage done are all also nice to haves

jmost of those relics are very, very cheap on the market

In point of fact, i probably have a bunch you can have for free

[knotty glacier]

I do in fct have a ton of these i would be happy to hand over

the 3 merchant choies one i just found though i'm keeping <.<

[keen dagger]

yeah if you have like 5k armour even in level 80 trial the trial parameter changes that cost physical damage are just a total joke

[knotty glacier]

Just to example: Even though my sorc is much stronger at blow shit up, she took a ton of honor damage doing her entire run through, and ended on like.. 800 left after clearing all 4 floors, and she goes in with like 7k.

My ranger goes in with like 3k, and usually doenst loose more than 1k total because evasion is that good at blocking damage for her

[fervent raptor]

Also relevant is that the enemies are pretty specifically chosen to telegraph their attacks pretty well, and density isn't so high as to make that not matter

[hidden heron]

I just think it's a lot to ask of level 22 when they first give ya the thing, and to gate advanced classes behind it is.. I can't defend that, that's not good stuff

I didn't come into the game to play a hitless run

[fervent raptor]

I'd advise coming back to it honestly

One ascendancy notable isn't going to make a build tbqh

And again, you explicitly don't have to play it hitless

[hidden heron]

Yeah I've already moved onto more main story, just.. weird, weird game design choices, that

I'll stop griping, my bad

[slow jasper]

This fucking map

I keep taking damage to HP before ES?

[prime spruce]

Does chaos damage still bypass ES? Or has that changed

[slow jasper]

Nah it does doub;e

[hidden heron]

Poison bypasses it

( but is also technically Chaos damage )

so that 1 HP - Chaos Immunity talent functions probly

[knotty glacier]

Could also be a weird interaction somewhere?

I had to cut Aztiri's disdain from my build because it kept making me explode (because cast on Shock would drain all my mana, I'd get hit, I only have 1 HP because of chaos inoc, and I'm using MoM... So I'd just die, even with ES left)

[slow jasper]

Shouldn

't be, I'm running a pretty generic flurry monk

[fervent raptor]

Poison should be the only native ES bypass, yeah

[slow jasper]

It was the hu8ge flatheads with the tree trunks

[fervent raptor]

I think it's a potential map mod and also rare/magic mod?

Bleed might also do the same thing but I'm actually not sure if there's an "always bleeds" mod and how that'd interact with ES

[knotty glacier]

Okay

they have to put a fucking auction house or SOMETHING sensible in

trade is awful

[grizzled hamlet]

i hope they do

trade is so bad

feel free to leave feedback https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3681377

[fervent raptor]

I feel like trade is kinda cooked because the economy just

Doesn't have meaning rn

Divines are basically fiat currency at this point which doesn't work within the shell of the game

And there's no real exalt sink so if you've got a small stash of them you kinda don't really need more, which really disincentivises trade

[pine wedge]

Bench craft meta mods are super important to divines having value yeah

and so no meta mods means no divine sink

There is an exalt sink theoretically: it's making max mod waystones

[knotty glacier]

Yeeah, crafting being bad means there's no incentive to spend yoru currency really

I just wanted to get a gem with 2% mana on kill.

mesaging 30 fucking people getting 1 reply isnt friciton it's just frustration

[orchid yacht]

found this in the wild, considering switching it on instead of Rattling Scepter

not being a minion build and all

the other one i'm using is this one, mainly cause of spell dmg and attribute requirments

[knotty glacier]

Spell level tends to be The Stat for casters (annoyingly)

[orchid yacht]

oh yeye, the wand stays on, but Idk if I should just drop my Scepter for the other wand

cause that spell physical dmg is juicy (Bone Witch build)

[hollow geyser]

In all my time playing Diablo and Path of Exile I never got around to a spin to win build so doing one in Grim Dawn, I get the appeal why folks like it - it sure is winning.

Unfortunately I have a logistical issue in that all the spinning and lightning conceals bad zones enemies put on the ground - oops!

[orchid yacht]

hardest choice ever, after the Bog Witch quest,
do I become immune to poison or to bleed-

I know bleed lasts more seconds, and that would be the easiest choice, but idk which one is more relevant later

[pine wedge]

Are you going to be using Energy Shield?

As your main defensive layer?

[orchid yacht]

yus

lots of health, but that's cause blood witch, no evasion nor armor, gust ES

[pine wedge]

Then you want poison immunity

because bleed doesn't apply if you don't take health damage

[orchid yacht]

doesn't it go over ES? I gathered they were basically the same

[pine wedge]

Bleeding can only be applied if the hit deals damage to the defender's life; damage solely dealt to energy shield or redirected to anything other than life will not apply bleeding. Once applied, the damage over time from bleeding bypasses energy shield and damages life directly.

If you don't take life damage you can't bleed

Poison, on the other hand, does indeed bypass ES

So is far scarier

[orchid yacht]

📝

thank you kindly

[fervent raptor]

You can't dual wield caster weapons

Which you may have already noticed, but if you've not tried yet

Also why focus damage rolls are so much higher

[desert inlet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpXu9ft9h4M oh my God

For all the poe2 players here

[strong sierra]

I genuinely have no words

[knotty glacier]

He's so pathetic. It would be funny, if it didn't make me blisteringly angry about his wealth

Like it's okay to be bad at games! But he just craves any kind of clout and validation. Any at all

[desert inlet]

any at all yeah

smallest man alive

[strong sierra]

Its a very sharp reminder that to a lot of people Elon sounds smart, until he starts talking about something you personally know

[knotty glacier]

I rember his dfukcing dark souls build.

elden ring* sorry

[desert inlet]

"at least some dude got an h1b to play poe" daaaamn

[grizzled hamlet]

you know watching this now, it literally looks like he never played this ever

[desert inlet]

the tab called "elon's maps"

the way he drags and drops loot into his inventory

like holy shit

[grizzled hamlet]

the way he fucking
tries to open a map

[desert inlet]

has he ever played any arpg?

like

he does stuff I wouldn't do cause I played diablo fucking 2

[grizzled hamlet]

boosting my shield before battle

[desert inlet]

jenny tell me all the things i'm missing

i'm clearly missing a lot

like it's wild that I don't even play poe2 and I can tell he's bad as fuck

[grizzled hamlet]

like
this is clearly an endgame character

[desert inlet]

the way he pretends he built his character but has zero idea what any of his items do

[grizzled hamlet]

but hes piloting it like hes playing the game in act 1

not picking up any loot??

going into map with a full inventory?

like he clearly knows the buttons and has been taught basic controls

but this is clearly not his character lol

[pine wedge]

There's a moment where he needs to hit a hidden switch to get through a hallway

and clearly doesn't know about it

[grizzled hamlet]

and he clearly hasnt played the game for more than 2 hours

[pine wedge]

when, like, if you actually played the game you'd know that map and where the switch tends to spawn

[grizzled hamlet]

he called howa a mid item...

imagine claiming youre top 10 hardcore on the ladder
and then not knowing what the central piece of your build is and calling it mid cause the level requirement to equip it is low

its only a level 62 staff

[strong sierra]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3686378

[knotty glacier]

Note that unrelated to Delirium Mist, further changes to Strongboxes will be made in an upcoming patch to make them less terrible.

[knotty glacier]

hUH.

t's uh, not the best venators

[strong sierra]

Sucks that its corrupted too

[knotty glacier]

I mean, it's achaos reward

these things happen

I dont really know what i did to this poro bird

but uh

it looks like i ran him over

[frigid kernel]

new LE news post

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/899770/view/546723413169799702

[carmine rampart]

also engine upgrade yippee!

[orchid yacht]

Aye I found out the hard way-
But having just got Cut to the Bone it feels so much nicer to play

Even tho, being a caster, playing in the poison area sure is funky 🫠

[knotty glacier]

https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile2builds/comments/1hx8rdh/15_million_damage_magma_barrier_1_shotting_bosses/

This is some fun tech for warriors

blocksplosion

[desert inlet]

https://youtu.be/5ifX2YJ62tw

[hollow geyser]

$20 on Steam and the install size is just 1 GB? I'm sold
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1783280/Ghostlore/

Steam

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591

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[fervent raptor]

Chronicon is my recc for a lightweight cheap arpg

https://store.steampowered.com/app/375480/Chronicon/

Steam

Chronicon

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[orchid yacht]

this was a funky one

"Ah yes, I would like 1 of each please"

only saving grace is the level, aside from that, pretty horrible

[fervent raptor]

Nah level doesn't really save melee weapons

Attack speed is the most relevant suffix imo

[grizzled hamlet]

idk its only level 37, doesnt seem good

[orchid yacht]

ye, was funny tho-

i've just did my first chaos trial and it was stressy

still gotta understand which curse is worse, generally

[grizzled hamlet]

my general heurestic is in terms of worst to least worst
anything that bricks your build > anything ruin > anything that introduces ground clutter/more stuff to dodge > slows > damage

[fervent raptor]

There are certain choices that don't look bad but I refuse to take because they can fuck over mandatory mechanics

[orchid yacht]

"You lose X % resistance" seemed bad, cause they hammered into my brain how important those are

[fervent raptor]

Yes, I'm looking at you spinny beam placed right to a lever

[grizzled hamlet]

it's bad but not the worst

[orchid yacht]

there are some contraptions which I despise, like the pyramid

[fervent raptor]

Losing Res is actually less impactful the less Res you have lol

[orchid yacht]

oh, true, cause it's a percentage right?

[orchid yacht]

sorry, wdym by "Anything ruin"?

[grizzled hamlet]

the ruin mechanic

[orchid yacht]

those things that add dmg?

[grizzled hamlet]

where if you get 7 ruin you insta lose

[orchid yacht]

oh, never got that

[grizzled hamlet]

theres a bunch of modifiers that make you take ruin

[orchid yacht]

I had corrupted blood and petrification

[fervent raptor]

At max Res you take 25 damage from a 100 damage hit, and so losing 25 Res (making you take 50 damage) doubles the damage you take from ele hits

If you're only at 25 Res, losing 25 changes the damage you receive from 75 to 100, only a 33% increase

[orchid yacht]

resistances are...well
not really a thing for me

so 40% of -1%-

[fervent raptor]

Yeah so if you're already surviving then losing Res is actually not doing a huge amount to you

[orchid yacht]

first run I went for "add chaos dmg to enemy" + "statues that petrifies you if you look at em" and one that seemed horrible but did ok

"Drought" I believe it was called

no potion charges from killing stuff basically

[fervent raptor]

Incidentally, my kingdom for resistance rating

[hidden heron]

Not sure what to ascend m'Witch into

[fervent raptor]

Uh, Blood Witch is kinda only good if you go hard on crit

[orchid yacht]

I did Blood Witch, it's fun-

if you're doing a Bonestorm build

[fervent raptor]

I went off bonestorm pretty hard tbh

Wayyy too much of a mana/life drain

[orchid yacht]

I'm finding it easy to control, takes a bit of practice tho

and it's not istant, so you gotta time it

but Infernalist felt too much the "meta" build, tried it, didn't like it
So blood it is

[fervent raptor]

Infernalist has generic good nodes

Hellhound, effective PDR, actually using life

[slow jasper]

Monsters do extra chaos is mostly relevant when you can mentally extend it to "chaos does x2 vs energy shield"

[fervent raptor]

And also that you tend to have a lot less chaos Res than ele

[hidden heron]

Infernalist feels pretty much like Burning Crusade Demonology Warlock

[fervent raptor]

I was doing a think on defenses the other day and the game is super pushing towards hybrid builds imo

Mono defense builds just have huge problems (mostly relating to recovery)

[hidden heron]

I've been enjoying the Grim Feast 'build up to double your effective energy shield'

But do need something to help the hp beneath

[fervent raptor]

GF is basically propping up ES as a viable defense

[hidden heron]

Now just need some way to generate corpses for boss fights

The age ol Necromancer Dilemma

Give me a wagon full of bones

[fervent raptor]

Tbh for bossing you just shouldn't be getting hit

They're much more mechanics focused

[hidden heron]

That's a big ask for my first time through

And a latency based game

[fervent raptor]

Oh sure I appreciate that, but this is realistically what the game is currently designed around

[hidden heron]

Yeah the dodge roll seems rather important

[fervent raptor]

Just positioning generally

[pine wedge]

there isn't unfortunately. They don't want DD to get out of hand like in PoE1

[hidden heron]

Also Profane Ritual seems like better detonate dead or am I missing something

It has higher damage per second than the explosion does at all

[fervent raptor]

You are missing something

DD is nuts

[pine wedge]

What level was the DD skill on the wand?

and what level was the profame ritual gem

[hidden heron]

oh I might be thinking of the other one

The innate occult skill

That's another way to make a corpse explode

[pine wedge]

There is no innate witch skill to my knowledge

[hidden heron]

Tf was I comparing before

[pine wedge]

that causes corpse explosions

[hidden heron]

Also would love to be able to peruse all this without holding onto a gem for it

Level 7 Occult Skill Detonate Dead

Oh so there's just a non wand version too

[fervent raptor]

You can ignore gem level on DD

[pine wedge]

The flat number is not the damage yeah

[fervent raptor]

"20% of life as Phys" is the only relevant line of text and it doesn't change with level

[hidden heron]

Ahhh

[pine wedge]

Yeah

[hidden heron]

Seems boring

Especially in bosses

[fervent raptor]

You scale the Phys damage and laugh

[pine wedge]

It's a clear skill for Phys casters

[fervent raptor]

There's a bossing build for DD that lets you detonate your minions, too

[pine wedge]

for single target you use the channeled bone thing

[hidden heron]

Well shucks

[pine wedge]

Or yeah ig some sort of minion explode thing

[hidden heron]

well

I don't like it so I'll just be a worse version for no reason

[fervent raptor]

Oh sure play what you like is the rallying cry of PoE tbh

[hidden heron]

does seem like it's pushing me to Pick One Damage Type

[fervent raptor]

I'm not convinced the balance for that is there rn though

Multi damage types is the realm of weapon swapping for the most part, or scaling something that affects all damage like crit

[hidden heron]

I do have a lot of crit

and Blood Mage does have that thing that Gains Physical damage from all other types

[fervent raptor]

I honestly think that node is kinda bad

[hidden heron]

There's just a lotta damn abilities to hone in on doing the one thing

[fervent raptor]

It's more for doing weird bleed stuff

[hidden heron]

Ahh right

[fervent raptor]

"bad" is maybe a little overzealous but I just don't think a ceiling of 10% more damage is worth it

The two left hand crit nodes are kinda bonkers but it's a very narrow build

[hidden heron]

The one that's 'Base Spell Crit Chance 15%' baffles me because most every single bone-type spell already has that

is it just for bringing in other nonsense to the party

[fervent raptor]

Sure, but consider you can now play something that's not a bone spell

[hidden heron]

after getting 6 ranks of ascendancy

as a blood witch

[fervent raptor]

(or det dead)

Cast on crit spark actually kinda nuts for clearing

[hidden heron]

I'm not into all the Meta Spell chicanery

[fervent raptor]

It just gives you options

[hidden heron]

it all feels like you need to know exactly what you're doing and exactly what passives to have and exactly have the stats that supply the energy and idek

it could easily be a lot of wheels spinning that do nothing at all

i get it's probable game-altering strength but idk

[fervent raptor]

Ehh

Blood Witch is a mechanically boring ascendancy at the end of the day

[hidden heron]

infernalist doesn't seem too exciting either

slightly bummin

Infernal Flame just seems to sort of be.. Psyker Bar?

[fervent raptor]

It really wants to pick up the mana conversion node to be interesting, but that is an actual unique mechanic

[hidden heron]

wait that's not the first one you get

yeah what the hell

you kind of can't get anything with just two points in Infernalist

wait that first node isn't a node i'm-.. god fuckin hell ignore my dumbness

[fervent raptor]

Your first two points are not going to be build defining in any ascendancy

Although Infernal Flame is interesting

[hidden heron]

Altered Flesh is a massive "?????"

i guess if you're.. fire resistant?

but isn't taking physical damage as chaos worse because it deals double energy shield

[fervent raptor]

Nah 'cause you can get chaos resistance

Or go CI

The fire part in theory lets you get more value from increasing your max fire resistance

[hidden heron]

in non-ascendancy confusion talks God I Love Bone Cage

[orchid yacht]

the only thing I will give infernalist is that you can spec into other spells, like Sorc
While Blood witch is just bone themed, no minion nor anything

but ehy, i'm loving it, so can't complain too much

[hidden heron]

Blood Witch also has superior profile pic

[orchid yacht]

agreed

[fervent raptor]

Wha

Blood Witch is very not bone themed

[orchid yacht]

wdym?

physical spells, so bones

[fervent raptor]

Almost nothing about the whole ascendancy cares about Phys

[orchid yacht]

it cares about crit, and bleed tho
which work really well with bonestorm

[fervent raptor]

And the only bit that does is just some extra damage that also makes bleed not dependent on phys

[orchid yacht]

what would the other direction be with it?

(genuine question)

[fervent raptor]

You take the 15% base crit node and play any spell you like

[orchid yacht]

isn't that 3-4 ascendancy trial away?

a bit deep

[fervent raptor]

3

[hidden heron]

Curses Are Permanent seems.. odd? Just frees up some cast time, but also probably for like Meta Stuff or Contagion Spread

[fervent raptor]

Pretty sure it's just shit

[hidden heron]

Should slap a "can stack another curse" on there

[orchid yacht]

mh, I'd say, while not that deep, i'm enjoying it
The combo or Armor strip, bleed and crit is working wonders

a shame for the minion side, but it's cool

[fervent raptor]

To be perfectly honest ascendancies across the board seems pretty boring

[orchid yacht]

ah, that too, I agree
they do need some spice

but a lot of em are carried by flavour

like the Merc one

[fervent raptor]

The most interesting use of ascendancy I've seen so far is the HotG Chronomancer

[orchid yacht]

uh that's a good one

[fervent raptor]

'cause it actually takes something unique to the ascendancy and leverages it

[orchid yacht]

• be me
• finds a unique witch build
• looks inside AI generated art slop

[slow jasper]

Hmm

Think my monk is at the point where the game stops being hard, per se, and just becomes tedius and arbitrary

Which is to say, mapping/third ascenscion trial

[fervent raptor]

Invoker?

[slow jasper]

Yeah

Like moment to moment gameplay is fun

But then I instantly evaporate because of some combo of ground effects/terrain/elemental bombs from a rare mean that there is no place to stand that does not kill

[fervent raptor]

Ground effects are as ever just fucked

[slow jasper]

I mean fundamentally it's just uncurated design

the encounter design is entirely procedural

Temporal stasis/regens health/periodic invuln is a thing that monsters can roll and makes them functionally immortal unless you can oneshot them

[fervent raptor]

Fuckin Proximal Tangibility

[slow jasper]

I haven't worked out proximal tangi but that one specifcally hasn't been a problem for me

[fervent raptor]

So it's not a massive problem for melee, but it basically means you cannot hit them without being essentially in melee range

[slow jasper]

Ahh

So yeah, fine for monk, more or less

But yeah at the moment there's also the obstacle of

Need to have relevant maps/barya/ultimatums to progress

But those require time or gold to get (and gold is a function of time)

So I have to grind to be able to grind

[fervent raptor]

Yeah

I'm pretty much just waiting now to see what the next big patch brings balance wise

Well, "big"

I'd like an idea of content direction

[slow jasper]

Yeah I'm probably shelving that character until new classes/acts

[fervent raptor]

More than anything I want more skills

To play with interactions more - things so far feels very tame?

[hidden heron]

Do we know what weapons are incoming?

My friend is jonesing for the axes since he saw that part of the skill tree

[slow jasper]

The ones signaled in the game are spears, flails, axes and swords

[fervent raptor]

Templar Flail, Huntress Spear, Marauder Axe, Duellist Sword

Shadow Dagger

And then Druids spells are named Primal

[hidden heron]

I think I saw 'Claws' somewhere, but that's prob druid

[orchid yacht]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H16ixwysA0
very cool video about the current situation of Endgame

[fervent raptor]

Hmm, there isn't a Claw cluster on the tree so I'm sort of suspect that they'll exist

[carmine rampart]

ghostlore sweeeep

[slow jasper]

Yeah the strife video kinda catalyzed my thoughts

Also I think Claws are probably going to be a like

wildshape attack tag

Turn to bear, do claws, etc

[orchid yacht]

it's the reason why after Chapter 3 i'll probably put it down,
Like, i'm 40h in, and i'm enjoying it
That's why I don't wanna ruin it with endgame stuff

cause as josh said, past a certain point, meta survives, non-meta sadly doesn't

[slow jasper]

Honestly I think the 3 cruel difficulties are fun

You get to do act 1 with like, builds that can do things

[fervent raptor]

Wonder where they're going to put KB, if it even comes back

[knotty glacier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dys6I25m9ZU

This is pretty hialrious

https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile2builds/comments/1hxe2sc/2000_rpm_rapid_shot_pathfinder/

[grizzled hamlet]

https://fxtwitter.com/pathofexile/status/1877501765207113991

[knotty glacier]

Booooooooooooooo

(Because it's too far away)

[slow jasper]

Given the gravity, i'd wager we're geting a league reset and at least one new character

[strong sierra]

Do you think there would be a reset?

[knotty glacier]

They've implied that league resets will come with big content drops, or so I've head

So if they're dropping a new class, a league reset would make sense

[slow jasper]

Yeah

[strong sierra]

Think it'll be Druid?

[grizzled hamlet]

i do think if we get a new class it will be a str/int

since were just straight up lacking that area rn

[knotty glacier]

Huntress and Druid were stated to be closest to done so far

[strong sierra]

I kinda hope it'll be druid

[knotty glacier]

Though honestly I'm going to be a bit shocked if they're actually dropping new content

[slow jasper]

I could see they do a balance patch, then talk about a roadmap for the year

[fervent raptor]

Pretty sure they've outright stated they're not planning on doing wipes in EA

[keen dagger]

balling

[knotty glacier]

Not wipes, no, but they are planning on new leauges

As i understand it, the plan is as follows:

EA characters exist in "Early Acess" Leauge. Upon launch, they wont be wwiped, but will stay in the EA Leauge.

Duringg EA they'll do leauges, with characters exiting said leauge living in the EA leauge.

https://old.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1hxxxmy/our_prayers_have_been_answered/

This is neat!

[fervent raptor]

I'm incredibly suspect on the idea of EA leagues

I'll see if I can dig up the conversation in the post-announcment Q&A when I finish work

[grizzled hamlet]

The economy needs resets eventually

Otherwise you just end up with Poe 1 standard

[orchid yacht]

As of now I believe a balance patch is sorely needed more then anything, cause at some point Endgame is straight up not an option

And the over reliance on Meta builds is really hindering the whole "experiment with builds" process

[fervent raptor]

I don't really agree that the issue is a reliance on meta builds

The biggest factor stopping people experimenting with builds is the lack of avenues to experiment with

[orchid yacht]

quoting not me, but Josh saying that meta, for most people, is what makes you survive
Like, ppl are burning down bosses to skip mechanics, cause if they get to them, they will die-

now, again, not my personal experience, since i'm still in Act 3, but if the sentiment is that spread I'm kinda starting to believe it

[grizzled hamlet]

having lived through tons of PoE 1 changes
I trust GGG to get somewhere better at the end of the day

[orchid yacht]

Oh absolutely, knowing how's behind the game makes patient instead of hopeful

[fervent raptor]

Even if the survival rate for slower play was 100% people would still build to blow up bosses because it's faster

[grizzled hamlet]

The pseudo hardcore has switched incentives a ton tbh

Im still not 100% sure how i feel about the system

Im very much for it when it comes to bosses, cause zerging bosses in path 1 was just boring af, and the boss fights and 2 have been stellar
But idk if i love maps being 1 life (at least not yet)

[keen dagger]

I like it until I don't see what I died to then I hate it

[grizzled hamlet]

Either way
am hype
Big patch, poe 2 support in pob
good times ~w~

[orchid yacht]

i'm still not there so not gonna complain and enjoy Arc 3, cause damn it's pretty

[fervent raptor]

I have a silly plan:

[orchid yacht]

What does that entails, pray tell

[fervent raptor]

poison arc

[orchid yacht]

excellent choice

I assume Pathfinder?

[fervent raptor]

ye

[late elk]

Oh there is a POE 2 thread

[pine wedge]

indeed

other ARPGs are also talked about in here

but it's mostly PoE talk when there's a league live

[grizzled hamlet]

yeah it started as the poe 1 thread

and then i just changed it to the general arpgs thread

[knotty glacier]

My instinct is you're gonna get mulched because not enough defences. Also poison and arc feel like they're pulling in different directions.

Also also the circle node of poison in the middle of the tree is pretty weak. You'd be better cutting that and lining up by grabbing the +quiver bonuses.

[knotty glacier]

Right now my feeling is:

Exp penalty alone is quite the punishment.

I'd go got ordinary maps: you have 6 attempts. Dying or otherwise leaving the map eats a portal. Run out of portals, you have you burn a new waystone.

Loosing loot etc just feels bad. Resetting the map after death would just encourage funky gaming of the system

I'm actually pretty okay with the risk/reward in both trials so far. I don't think that needs changing, just internal mechanics of those need changing (some of the minor afflictions are anything but, chaos can end up with too much happening & the 3 headed bird boss is over tuned, esp if he comes as boss 3.)

For actual bosses on the atlas map: I haven't found any yet, so I don't have any useful opinions. But then being one and done sounds bad.

I'd give you 3 chances, but if you diw they reset to full HP.

[grizzled hamlet]

Yeah i think my current ideal with the game as is
Maps behave basically like poe 1 maps (you have 6 attempts total, stuff doesnt reset)
and the boss room is a special area inside the map
if you started the boss and you died
you lose an attempt and the boss resets, not the entire map

[knotty glacier]

I haven't played PoE1, so couldn't say, but that does sound more sensible

[hidden heron]

The leveling up experience seems a bit more fun than the endgame, from what I'm hearing, 'cause I'm having a good time with my run :o

( except the Trials still not a Trial fan )

[knotty glacier]

But honestly, what I've played so far, the bones are really good

Oh, end game has issues, but leveling up is fun as hell, and even the end game is fairly charming, it's just frustrating and a drop in quality vs the campaign

The complaints are as much because the campaign is so good

I think they made exactly the right choice to focus on the end game in early access.

[fervent raptor]

+quiver bonuses... on my caster

[slow jasper]

Tbh when you said Pathfinder I assumed you were being a bow user as well

[fervent raptor]

I said Poison Arc!

[strong sierra]

Wait poison arc?

[fervent raptor]

oui

[strong sierra]

I'm very curious

[strong sierra]

Oooo that's wild

[frigid kernel]

woah

[late elk]

Demon form is so cool

[keen dagger]

unfortunately its currently kind of terrible unless you glitch it

i hope they buff it when they fix the glitch

[late elk]

?

Idk I'm doing fantastic damage

[slow jasper]

It disables you equipped hand equipment

So if you have +100% spell damage, +100% elemental damage, those turn off

[keen dagger]

it's basically on par with the +levels mod of a good staff with half the cast speed and it takes time to get up to the % spell damage you can get on a good staff

[fervent raptor]

https://reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1hz5zu8/lootfilter_neversinks_poe2_filter_release_v05/

Neversink released for PoE2

[grizzled hamlet]

pog

[knotty glacier]

Look, I used to play destiny 2 and arc meant lightning. So you said poison arc, and I was like okay, you're firing lighting arrows that poison

[fervent raptor]

I am in fact using the skill Arc with which to poison

[knotty glacier]

Yes, I got there eventually.

Good luck, I guess! It seems a bit fraught compared to the gas options, but I hope you can make it work

[pine wedge]

Making weird shit work is like a PoE player's bread and butter

Poison Spark used to be really popular in PoE1 back in the day IIRC

[keen dagger]

worm blender 🙂

[pine wedge]

Falling Zombies

https://youtu.be/MamkI1uDRrA?si=ckEKoL2goTIK5U8s

[knotty glacier]

That is incredibly funny

[knotty glacier]

Crossbows are fun

[ashen lotus]

Agreed

[orchid yacht]

I do not miss having to chain link spells on armour pieces
But damn, that's fun and creative

[knotty glacier]

Just hit 14, so i have Rapid Shot now. Which combined with mist whisper is pretty fucking funny. Gonna keep pushing along weith that for a bit, i think\

Because i like the "ahahahaha dakka!" followed by hurling out really stronk grenades

[ashen lotus]

What's Mist Whisper?

[knotty glacier]

Unique crossbow. crappy damage, but it's fine for campaign - the big thing is it has +2 chain

[ashen lotus]

Which does...

I don't know what Chain does

[knotty glacier]

Means when a projectile hits an enemy... it bounces to another enemy.

[orchid yacht]

Freaky looking crossbow

[knotty glacier]

I do hope they let some uniques actually you know, level up

[knotty glacier]

I have a dumb thing i wanna try with rapid shot:

Blueflame bracers.

Blueflame bracers, rapid shot, and herald of ice. This may or may not be good

it may also be deeply funny

[fervent raptor]

HoI good, so

Great way of taking ST damage and getting AoE out of it

[knotty glacier]

Hol?

Oh, Herald of ice

Look, this is why i'm going to bed XD

[fervent raptor]

Kind of annoyed they've stopped heralds being used with spells

[knotty glacier]

https://old.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1hzk03l/psa_you_can_store_gems_as_a_set_skill_linked/

[knotty glacier]

I suspect the idea is to make it so there's some clear delinatio0n - attacks do herlad stuff, spells get Cast on X stuff? (ish)

[fervent raptor]

Well they've kinda fucked that delineation by taking Cast On X out back and shooting it

[knotty glacier]

It's really not that screwed

I have a cast on shock build that's doing just fine, even in t15s

and actually relies on caston shock as the colre of it's damage

and cast on ignite can go very silly places with Incinerate, it's mainly held back by there not being any great fire spells to cast right now <.<

(Even if fireball spam is hilarious)

[solar vigil]

When is the stream?

[knotty glacier]

8 hours from now

I think

i belive they're doping it at 9:30 am NZT, and it's 1:30 am on monday morning now

so

[solar vigil]

Ok

[fervent raptor]

Incinerate being like, the sole user of CoI isn't good

[strong sierra]

After likke a week I finally got my 4th boss skill book

[orchid yacht]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zoq0drcQP3g
here, have some psycological horror

[strong sierra]

Wait why doesn't Josh have a currency tab

[orchid yacht]

that is a very good question
next question

joking aside, I think it could just be spite, cause some poe players came into his chat back in the day being very pushy about tabs

he used to do a lot of streams for GGG

[fervent raptor]

heads up that the PoE 2 Patch 0.1.1 Livestream starts <t:1736713800:R> at <t:1736713800:t> on https://twitch.tv/pathofexile

[orchid yacht]

much obliged

[grizzled hamlet]

[knotty glacier]

Apparently some kind of reveal happening

https://www.twitch.tv/darthmicrotransaction

(When the stuff goes live)

1 minute

[grizzled hamlet]

live 👀

no new league yet

[knotty glacier]

So, 0.1.1 is "What we can fix quickly, without making a new leauge or new economy"

later this week

New tower maps, so it's not just all Lost Towers

[grizzled hamlet]

more maps with bosses

[knotty glacier]

Also a new tablet that adds bosses to map, has its own mod pool

[strong sierra]

HELL YES

[grizzled hamlet]

hell yeah

[knotty glacier]

Better zoom on atals, also aimed at better rewards across the board on the maps

Tons of unique buffs

[grizzled hamlet]

pog

[knotty glacier]

Sockets can be overwritten!!!!

[grizzled hamlet]

LETS GO

[strong sierra]

OH THANK GOD

[knotty glacier]

Hopefully Chaos biiiird is one of hte bosses getitng nerfed

Item filters for console

Armor buffs! Charm uses and charm effects when they're used

so, tldr: No big content drops this time, but this is a "What we can do fast" patch

[grizzled hamlet]

makes sense!

[knotty glacier]

And the big shifts are waiting for when tehy do a new leauge and economy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNJSDxwC9bY

Patch preview on youtube, for those who missed the live stream

wow, Bramblejack got crazy buffs.

[grizzled hamlet]

👀

[knotty glacier]

Can't evade attacks anymore with it on, but Regen 5% of life per second when surorneded

[grizzled hamlet]

oooooh

[knotty glacier]

also looks like much higher +max hp and +stun threshold

Blackbraid got +armor,10% resist across the board

[knotty glacier]

Mist whisper got more cold damage, and added chill duratio

...

Bah spoil my fun 😛

Hahaha, holy shit, titan rot's +armor% mod got crazy

HOLY CRAP PAINTERS SERVANT

it lost it's reses... but got Gain 8% of damage as <X> element for each element

oh, unless you're cold damage, it's 5%.

but fire and lighting get 8% gain.

[fervent raptor]

those are likely just random rolls

[fervent raptor]

woop hit 100% poison chance natively now

envenom can now be yeeted

[fervent raptor]

Bleed is not meant to be stymied by ES apparently

[strong sierra]

Yea IO just heard.

Which would make CI way more dangerous

[fervent raptor]

theyd absolutely have to make a CI exception though

or it just kills the build 100%

Tornado Bird nerfed in 0.1.1

[keen dagger]

thank god

[strong sierra]

Huh

[keen dagger]

that's quite a range on that attack speed roll

[strong sierra]

Yea

[fervent raptor]

on that subject actually

I'm super baffled by the q&a conversation about divines and the economy

Jonathon seemed surprised that people aren't using divines and that they've become some weird fiat currency

"well why aren't people divining uniques?"

maybe because they're super rare to the point that it's not worth using??

[keen dagger]

there also are not enough things worth divining which they mentioned

[fervent raptor]

Yeah but that doesn't change matters

With divines being as rare as they are, the only things worth divining are going to be like, chase uniques

[orchid yacht]

personal highlight of the patch, Una can now actually sing.

[grizzled hamlet]

yeah divines are only worth using on items that are worth 20-30+ divs

and even then

youll probably just buy a well rolled one

[strong sierra]

Also its good to know that item affixes are bugged on high item level items

[knotty glacier]

I can honestly understand that sort of surprise.

When you're a designer, you tend to have a clear "this is what's intended" vision.

This is why you test the shit out of things, because what you intended and what's happening may not match up at all

Which they're doing!

[grizzled hamlet]

they issue is
the divine is not a new currency
it has the same function in path 1
except path 1 has a bunch of sinks other than using them on items so it has actual uses in path 1

[knotty glacier]

Mm, something they'll have to fix i guess

I susepct you could actually make item use be the sink if it was "In general, divines give better results the more you use on an item" (eg it's still possible to low roll, but progressive use of divines would push an item closer and closer to perfect rolls)

[keen dagger]

that seems like a distinctly un-ggg solution but it would probably work. as is, rerolling mods is a very narrow use case unless uniques become a lot more prevalent and have much wider and more impactful ranges.

[knotty glacier]

The otehr thing i'd be consideirng thouigh, from their end is: okay, you givie divines more of a sink. Something else (perfect jewlers, i imaigne), will become the next fiat

So it's a problem to solve, but we replaced a fiat with a fiat isn't really a solution

[pine wedge]

except in PoE1 there is a divine sink

and a pretty fucking large one at that

It's why they have value

every 2 divines is another attempt at a craft

[keen dagger]

I know they definitely don't want to have metacrafting in the same fashion as PoE1 does

[knotty glacier]

So, as someone who never played 1: what's meta crafting?

[strong sierra]

Metacrafting referrs to putting on affixes that directly impact what can be modified. An example is putting on a prefix that says: Suffixes cannot be changed.

[knotty glacier]

Ahhh

thank you!

[keen dagger]

this can be combined with some other strategies and certain crafting items in poe1 to let you basically guarantee the affixes you want after a certain point

[knotty glacier]

Ah, interesting

also, pants, i dont think the herald of frost plan is gonna work out with rapid fire.

Because herald of frost scales with attack damage (which is already kinda low with rapid fire, it's # of attacks), and it requires int

so you'd end up splitting yoru stats quite hard

...whci hgiven rapid fire really thrives on attack speed, aka, falcon technique + falcon drive

seems bad

Sad tehre's no Fire -> Lighting conversion unique yet

[fervent raptor]

HoI just scales like another attack; it doesn't care about whatever Rapid Fire is doing

The thing that might make it weaker than you'd like is that it loses attack speed as a scaling vector and isn't affected by projectile damage%, but that's pretty tree dependent

And yeah, circling back to the divine value convo: pretty sure divines only hold the value they do because of PoE1 and people going "divine good surely"

PoE1 also has an example of an even rarer orb that's used to perfect items in a minor way and funnily enough, it's significantly less valuable than the rarity would suggest because it's not used in metacrafting

(Sacred Orb)

[knotty glacier]

Ah, okay.

Hmm. I'll have a think. The main issue would be the stat spread. Which ironically might point to this being a better idea for a gemling? I was planning on witch hunter, because cull and making enemies explode on death.

I'll have a think!

[fervent raptor]

I think my poison arc is going to become poison spark

Once I do Trial of Chaos

Don't think I can maintain 6 stacks of poison with arc, at least at my current cast speed

And in theory it'll go to 8?

[knotty glacier]

https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile2builds/comments/1i063l7/poison_arcconduit_vs_xesht/ By total coindence

[rustic grotto]

Still no news on a PoE1 league

[solar vigil]

Yeah I’m… not sure how good it’s looking for poe1

[grizzled hamlet]

Settlers was 6 months ago
Since they're effectively skipping one league
I expect news about Poe around the end of February?

It'll probably launch around the same time necropolis did last year

So I see no reason to doom about path 1

[solar vigil]

I feel like a good cadence might be 3 months between releases for Poe 1 and Poe 2, alternating

They might be trying to hit that

[hollow geyser]

Managed to take a Grim Dawn character from 15 to 100 over the last week, the level scaling is a bit smoother and you can do a Normal to Ultimate jump pretty smoothly if you don't want to start a run on Ultimate since Normal gets you to 70-75 and Ultimate will ding 100 pretty quick. There's also potions of 100% experience boost for an hour to make the 75 to 94 process faster available if you beat Ultimate once before which was nice

Boosts over the last couple of patches to crafting ingredient drop rates and crafting material cost reductions mean the SSF gearing experience is smooth too

[strong sierra]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/s/zJM9Cck5Go

[keen dagger]

hard pass lmao

[orchid yacht]

these would be great
if I wasn't a Witch

debating if this can work with a Blood Witch, since some Ascendancy heavily buff Life leech

or even better really

[strong sierra]

I think I have one of those?

[orchid yacht]

i'm digging trough uniques, cause I never actually went to see the list

[strong sierra]

I can't check as I'm at work

[orchid yacht]

oh dw, I was buildcrafting out loud

[fervent raptor]

Blood Witch naturally overflows life

Managing life was never an issue I had while mapping

Always at 175%-200% full

[orchid yacht]

The only unique that seems nice atm are the boots, Bushwacks I think are calleds

and Carnage heart, and amulet

[hidden heron]

Yeah I saw a lot of complaints about the witch Life Tap for some reason, the amount of healing you get back is so strong

And my base life regen basically makes everything except curses free

[orchid yacht]

I mean, ye, like
More please

[fervent raptor]

Someone remind to write a feedback post on caster weapon ilvls

[knotty glacier]

Always nice to clear a trial and instnatly get 3 divines out of it

[strong sierra]

Raw?

[knotty glacier]

1 raw divine, 1 boss relic worth 2 divine

[fervent raptor]

so poison spark got through trials of chaos with these terrible defensive stats

had -30% ele res and 40% less defenses as mods

Leveling Uniques:

• Lifesprig x2 or just rare wands with + gem level, cast speed mod

somehow I doubt this person has field-tested their leveling guide

[hidden heron]

oh that reminds me, does cast speed affect channeling? it can be hard to tell if it's improving bonestorm, at least not in the Hyuge Chunk 15% might feel, i'm sure there's math stuff about it

[strong sierra]

I do have one of these.

[fervent raptor]

it sure does

pro-est tip for bonestorm though - socket Scattershot

[hidden heron]

>:|a well ain't that a nifty interaction

i made the assumption it'd have added +2 to the potential total and never tried

[fervent raptor]

I was actually clued into it by, of all things, the in-game tooltip

I think it's because it's not technically a channeled skill - each cast of bonestorm adds one floating projectile, and all projectiles are launched if you haven't cast in the last X time

I suspect the same thing would happen with Ember Fusillade and Scattershot

i actually low key think a bonestorm deadeye would be nutty

[hidden heron]

reavers also proving a nice way to chew through all those debuff stacks

[knotty glacier]

I wish ember fsillade worked more like am achine gun, i find it's current way to play very awkard and it's sad, because i love the idea of rigging it up as a machine gun of bouncing doom with Snakepit.

[keen dagger]

tbf the machine gun fantasy is already well played out in the mercenary's kit

[knotty glacier]

yes, but FIRE MACHINE G UN

but also yes, i am ahving al ot of fun with Rapid Fire Merc.

[keen dagger]

literally a fire machine gun 😛

[grizzled hamlet]

I love that "it's only level x" is becoming a meme
This is a buff

[knotty glacier]

ItsNotTheSameTM

[keen dagger]

only level x?

is this from musks stream

[knotty glacier]

THe apethied fail-son was streaming his Totally LEgit account guy,s and dismissed it's best piece of gear as "only level 62"

[keen dagger]

where he refers to the levelreq of his staff as if it matters

ok

[knotty glacier]

So, random thought: instead of Blueflame bracers, three dragons might be the way to go for Rapid FIre - you arent really trying to juice your elemental damage as such, you're just juicing your damage in general. So full conversion isnt the biggest deal... but Ignite is kinda shitty with lots of little hits. So converting your ignites into shock instead, esp given your barrage of shots might actually be rather good?

[keen dagger]

does 3 dragons also change fire to electrocution?

[knotty glacier]

No, just Fire damage contriubtes to shcok chance, cold contributs to ignite, and shock contributes to freeze

Though it may just be better to do Blueflame + Porc combo

Suprisngly decent thief's torment!

[knotty glacier]

How to sekehmas, a guide

[knotty glacier]

I mean, that's Worth.

[knotty glacier]

Beat my first pinnacle boss =3

Got Choir of the Storm for it, which is fun

[fervent raptor]

Choir is cool, shame it doesn't mention the ICD on the item

[knotty glacier]

What is the ICD?

i know there's very silly Choir/Temproalis combos

[knotty glacier]

Okay, Blueflame Rapid Shot is looking like a winner so far.

This is very silly

[fervent raptor]

That combo exists specifically because Temporalis reduces the ICD to 0 (possibly incorrectly)

Idk what the actual ICD is - for the most part I'm just seeing people use it to more consistently apply shocks for a CoS Lightning Conduit

[strong sierra]

I'm anxious for patch notes

[orchid yacht]

just finished act 3
I'd say ||Doryani|| was probably the thoughest of the 3 bosses, fucker had a lot going on
Not into cruel we go

[slow jasper]

See, I found act3 boss the easiest

I think his AI is a bit rigged, and goes soft on melee?

[orchid yacht]

I'll say, It's hard to re-do NG+ this early, especially at that point in the story

Also Idk if it's a bug, but after unlocking Cruel difficulty it doesn't seem to allow me to go back to the Temple of Chaos or Trials

like, clicking the teleport does nothing

[slow jasper]

Are you trying from an act 2 area?

[orchid yacht]

act 3 for temple but ye

nvm i'm just dumb

[keen dagger]

a3 boss's attacks are really heavily telegraphed

[orchid yacht]

luckily yes, first phase was far worse then second one

big target

[knotty glacier]

I have never seen much of his 2nd pahse attacks, i keep building builds that melt him <.<

@orchid yacht You aint dumb, it's super werid setup to get back to tirals etc

[orchid yacht]

My bonestorm liked second phase ,ehe

[orchid yacht]

I keep forgetting I need to be at a waypoint to teleport and not just randomly click the map

[knotty glacier]

Yeah, i do that ALL the time

[orchid yacht]

I gues the bonuses are very low but 4 levels seems very high

[keen dagger]

that's a very funny set of rolls

the staff is garbage though

higher ipd will get you there much better than gem levels on attacks

[orchid yacht]

Chaos items do be funny

Also after a good 2 acts, I think I've reached the current roof for the class
Since I mostly do BS and Detonate dead
minions aren't a thing, and I can't seem to space anywhere else

I do know we lack 2 skills, in Reap and Exsanguinate

[knotty glacier]

LOL.
"Aint never seen a monkey like that bef-" gets crushed

[slow jasper]

Plus skills is better earlier levels

When you get past act 2, raw damage affixes are more worthwhile than levels

[fervent raptor]

I honestly don't think that's true for attack weapons

I don't think there's really any time beyond maybe looking for the perfect endgame weapon that attacks care about +levels

[slow jasper]

I meanlooking at my early play experience, I got a +3 melee quartersfaff in early act 2 that outstripped everyquarterstaff that dropped that act

[knotty glacier]

Everything i've seen is that +skill level adds a lot, esp when you're pushing past 20 skill level. You just have to manage the mana

also, this merc build is turning out to be a TON of fun

very interested to get it to maps and see how it performs

I'm only at 37, and my DPS is already spiking up to 10k when it's fully ramped up 😄

Eventual plan is to combo up Decimating Strrike with No Mercy, really leverage the fact i am just a machine gun of bullets - stuff takes massive spike damgage, takes evne more damage from getting knocked into non conentration, acts as a defenisve layer too (ontop of everything getting blinded thanks to passive in the tree), and stock up on tank in the passive tree

[knotty glacier]

Okay, this is real fuckin werid

I have blueflame bracers on. they're not corrupted

i'm still igniting things???

[knotty glacier]

Hmm, poo, the thing i thought would be a problem (Attribute pressure) is being a problem.

More poking, i dont understand conversion apprently, becuase my damage is def not getting converted when it should b, i thought! Which is werid!

okaaaay. So it looks like what's actually happening is the conversion goes first, THEN the added fire damage from rapid shot happens, and that stays fire.

[fervent raptor]

Yeah, all conversion happens at the same time in one step, and then all "damage as extra" is calculated and added on top

[hollow geyser]

Logging into old high level characters on a game like Grim Dawn or PoE is always a hoot because of the twin questions of "what the heck was I doing with my inventory sorting" and "what the heck was I doing with this skill tree?!?" so it's fun to go back and try to optimize the stats with current knowledge

[hidden heron]

So the ingame DPS meter thing seems.. somewhat off, for some spells, it's assured I could get more damage out of spamming Bone Cage than Storm, despite watching that melt healthbars

[strong sierra]

Yea tooltip DPS is kind of inaccurate

[hidden heron]

also clearing with Contagion is weirdly satisfying, it just keeps going and going if the enemy density is high

[strong sierra]

Yea my cast on shock lightning conduit build is better with more density

[hidden heron]

I'm thinking about some sort of Meta build but for the life of me I'm not sure what I'd want anyone to somewhat-randomly cast

lotta witch stuff has an asterisk for use case

[knotty glacier]

remember you weren't limited to witch spells!

Though I believe there's detonate dead build that automate that

[knotty glacier]

Thank you! I got there in the end.

The build is coming together now I've dropped the herald idea, refocused onto rapid shot & using is immense but to Grenades to add additional utility and firepower.

Which is actually working great and hilariously

[hidden heron]

m'way too invested in this Chaos business, i ain't about to branch out until maybe I get Chaotic Freeze

[knotty glacier]

Valid. Hail Chaos!

https://old.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1i2b1f6/were_aiming_to_deploy_the_011_patch_for_path_of/

[knotty glacier]

@grizzled hamlet https://old.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1i2aprn/trialmaster_but_parry_only/

Trialmaster needs to git gud, stop walking into parries

[strong sierra]

I'm debating spending 5div on an ingenuity

And belt acquired

[knotty glacier]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3695606

P P P PATHC NOTES

Map areas have been adjusted to have more distinct specialities for the content they contain. For example, one Map area might have more total number of monsters, while another is more likely to contain additional content such as Strongboxes, Essences or Shrines. Generally speaking, the more difficult a Map is to clear, or the smaller it is, the more axes it will specialise in. Here's an overview of changes we've made to give Maps more discernibility:
A number of Maps now spawn up to double the number of Chests, and twice as many minimum Magic or Rare Chests.
A number of Maps now contain up to double the number of Monsters.
A number of Maps now contain 50% more Magic Monsters.
A number of Maps now contain 50% more Rare Monsters.
A number of Maps now have a higher minimum number of Rare Monsters you will encounter.
A number of Maps now have a lower minimum number of Rare Monsters you will encounter.
A number of Maps now have 50% more chance to contain Essences.
A number of Maps now have 50% more chance to contain Strongboxes.
A number of Maps now have 50% more chance to contain Shrines.

Skill Changes

Supercharged Slam now has "Each successive aftershock gains +0.5 metres to radius, up to 3 metres (previously uncapped).
Scavenged Plating now grants you stacks for a duration based on the enemy's rarity. Normal enemies grant 1 stack, Magic enemies grants 2 stacks, Rare enemies grant 5 stacks, and Unique enemies grant 10 stacks.
The Lightning Bolt Skill granted by the Choir of the Storm Unique Amulet has been renamed to Greater Lightning Bolt to differentiate it from the Skill granted by Staves. Triggered Greater Lightning Bolts are now unable to trigger a subsequent Greater Lightning Bolt if the first was a Critical Hit. Greater Lightning Bolt now deals roughly 3.5 times more base Lightning Damage compared to Lightning Bolt.
The Temporalis Unique Body Armour can no longer reduce the cooldown of a Skill to below 100ms.
Skills socketed in a Meta Gem's sockets can no longer gain energy.
Clarified Vine Arrow's description to explicitly state that it hits enemies on landing.
Removed the Aura tag from Pain Offering for consistency with other minion skills, as the skill does not directly create an Aura (the Aura is created by the summoned minion).

"The Erian's Cobble Unique Helmet now provides +0-40 to Armour (previously +0-20), +0-30 to Evasion Rating and maximum Life (both previously +0-15), and +0-20 to maximum Energy Shield and maximum Mana (both previously +0-10). It now provides 0-10% to Fire Resistance, Cold Resistance, and Lightning Resistance (all previously 0-5%), 0-6 Life Regeneration per Second (previously 0-3), 0-60 to Accuracy Rating (previously 0-30), and +0-10 to Strength, Dexterity and Intelligence (all previously +0-5). In addition to the above, it also now provides 0-30% increased Critical Hit Chance (previously 0-15%), and 0-20% increased Rarity of Items found (previously 0-10%). Existing versions of this item can be updated using a Divine Orb."

Eirans cobble isw acutally possibly kinda good now?

[solar vigil]

Pob 2 is out tommorow

[knotty glacier]

P p p paaaaaatch is live

[strong sierra]

Any differences in the patch notes?

[knotty glacier]

Very minimal to no

I jsut did ma mpa that had like 15 rares?

or something crazy

game is super smooth now too

[knotty glacier]

=x

My ranger is still too squishy to high burst

[hidden heron]

going from ranger to Blood Mage has me feeling comically durable

but also just getting a weirdly solid amount of resistance stuff

[strong sierra]

Already tried one of the new tower maps and it isn't bad

Don't forget you can salvage flasks now

That's from all of the quality flasks I had been picking up and holding on to

[hidden heron]

Well, Dark Defiler was a great find right off the post-patch bat

[strong sierra]

Also new ring lol

[keen dagger]

needs more mana

[strong sierra]

Obviously with the quality its like 229 mana

[keen dagger]

more

[strong sierra]

God, one proper run of Chaos got me 68ex

[knotty glacier]

...Shit, niiiice

Are you still using the CoS balll ighting build @strong sierra or ?

[strong sierra]

I am

[knotty glacier]

Nice. how did you solve the spirit issues?

I've been running around with a corrupted Oakshield to solve it

[strong sierra]

I just make sure my chest and amulet have spirit

[knotty glacier]

Oh, do you not run Everlasting Gaze on it?

[strong sierra]

Nope

[knotty glacier]

Huh

How are you getting ES then? or handling surviability in general?

[keen dagger]

es nodes are nuts you dont need everlasting gaze to hit like 8k es

[strong sierra]

Also recoup

[knotty glacier]

But these builds usally run Eldritch Battery, thart's why i'm a bit lost

[strong sierra]

Yea, I should start doing my chaos trials more

[knotty glacier]

Creator, Can you share the build you're using?> is it the same one i shared with you, or ?

[strong sierra]

Its basically the same one

[knotty glacier]

I"m just trying to figure out how you're getting ES without using Everlasting

Given i assume you're running Eldrtich Battery

[strong sierra]

Nah, I'm a little flimsy, but I have recoup to fall back on being a chronomancer

I only have 3k es

[knotty glacier]

Okay, so No Eldritch battery then? Okay, that makes everything make more sense

I am Having A Day apprently

Honestly, if you're doing recoup with Chrono.. i wonder if you shoudl take EB and just dump any ES nodes what soever, and go for maixmizing your mana as much as possible

and your damage

Because EB + MoM + Midnight Braid.. oh, right, you have an Ingenunity

[hidden heron]

is Sceptre+Focus strange, I basically use Essence Drain and Bonestorm as my 'basic attacks', a wand doesn't seem like it adds much different to the equation

[strong sierra]

Lol, thank you Gwennen
I just sold this for 3 div.

[hidden heron]

damnb

[knotty glacier]

Yeagh, rog and co are pretty nice now

[strong sierra]

Thank you gwennen

[knotty glacier]

Isnt that just the instate base?

I am a bit lost

[strong sierra]

Its a rare with no suffixes or prefixes

[knotty glacier]

She's doing her best!

[keen dagger]

i bet black chimeral blood did this

[grand valve]

hello chat

I started playing POE2 a few days ago

went Ranger

two questions
should i build for evasion or evasion AND shield
https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/builds/fubgun-deadeye-leveling?weaponSet=set1 is this build any good

still in act 1

[pine wedge]

Fubgun is good

lookslike standard lighting arrow stuff which is pretty strong so looks good

and yes, you want ES and Evasion

[grand valve]

👍

i will return with more questions if they come up

[grizzled hamlet]

POB 2 IS HERE https://github.com/PathOfBuildingCommunity/PathOfBuilding-PoE2/releases

no more shitty guides

[grand valve]

got to act 2

yippie

[knotty glacier]

Booo

all the effor to ge a queen of the forest, and it's no othewr movement modfieirs doesnt incldue the pewnaly from using skills 😦

R I P

[hidden heron]

I sometimes find that I move full speed while channeling Bonestorm but for the life of me I can't parse why

Something about getting out of a hard CC or somethin

[knotty glacier]

Well, managed to flip the Queen of the forest for 30 more exalt than i paid for it

so... victory

[knotty glacier]

THIS IS NOT EVEN MY IFNAL FORM

[ashen lotus]

Oh dear

[fervent raptor]

There's a bug with it that if you click, release and click again very quickly it'll let you run normally

Which I think is what people end up doing when they're rapid clicking out of CC

[ashen lotus]

Okay, I need help
I'm getting absolutely wrecked by trials of chaos, I feel like I need help or advice

[knotty glacier]

First things first, what level, what class?

[ashen lotus]

level 40 mercenary

[knotty glacier]

Okay. So just hte basic trials of chaos

What's your build? What asecndacy did you go?

[ashen lotus]

Gemling, build is
Uhhhh
I don't know how to summarise it

[knotty glacier]

Well, that's strike 1 😛

Game really wards having a pretty focused idea of what you're doing

i'm also currently playing a mercearny, and i do one thing. But i do it really well.

Which is "Fill the screen with bullets"

[ashen lotus]

My plan is 'take Rapid Shot and stack numbers on it'

[knotty glacier]

Oh, you're actually oding the same thing as me then

[ashen lotus]

Ah

[knotty glacier]

I am also a Rapid shot build

Uh, do you know how to add people as friends in game?

[ashen lotus]

Good
Uhhhh
I feel like I'm doing things terribly wrong with it

Nope

[knotty glacier]

aha, i figured it out

what's your in game name?

[ashen lotus]

LastShogun

[knotty glacier]

You should just have gotten a party invite from a Usomethingrather

[ashen lotus]

I did, joined

[knotty glacier]

Gimme a mo

i am grabbing some stuff

@ashen lotus Accept the trade

[ashen lotus]

Uhhh
Wos all this?

[knotty glacier]

Gear.

That'll help out

also some supports for Rapid fire

and skill gems

So

use the jewler's orb to make rapid fire have 3 slots

[ashen lotus]

Already done that, it has three slots

[knotty glacier]

Slot Mobility, Martial Tempo and Fresh Clip in

(Then enjoy the jewlers orb)

This makes it so you can actually move while shooting, a biiiig benefit

The armor is just generally useful uniques

[ashen lotus]

I see

Only useful unique I got is Irongrasp which
I'm not sure if it's actually good

[knotty glacier]

I have already managed to forget which glvoes i gave you

but they should help out

Birth of fury is not anytyhing exciting, it's just nice 15% move speed boots

[ashen lotus]

Idle Hands, bumps up attack speed at full mana

[knotty glacier]

Oh, right, there we go. That'll be great for you fcurrently

The ring helps out because intimdated enemies do 25% less damage

[ashen lotus]

Also the level 10 skill gems are useful, thanks

[knotty glacier]

Thrillsteel is permanet onslaught

which is another 10% move seped

but more importnatly

20% skill speed

[ashen lotus]

Ahh
For more brrrrt

[knotty glacier]

Pariah's embrace gives you a bunch more spirit

which is nice

also cheapens the mana cost

helpful at your level

Most of this stuff you'll end up replacing when you hit end game

but ... it'll get you to endgame

the crossbow was hopefulyl a flat out upgrade for you, despite it';s level

I have some better onesi could give, but they were all req level 48

I should actually ugprade mine at some point

but i need way more exalts ;.;

https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile2builds/comments/1hxe2sc/2000_rpm_rapid_shot_pathfinder/ I would have al ook at this build for soem ideas

The otehr thing with chaos is: Be careful which boons you take

The bad oens are ramping damage, enraged bosses, less resists

[ashen lotus]

WELP
I can tell I do more damage
I can also tell I died in three seconds

Any boons that I should look out for?

Ah, I see

[knotty glacier]

If you're dying in seconds, you may need mroe reists

Or i dunno, tbh <.<

It was not an issue i encoutnered muich, because MACHIEN GUN GO BRRT

Sorry, i know that's of limtiedh elp

[ashen lotus]

Okay, Mobility feels like it helps more than 30%, something's up with the math there

But yeah, more resists sounds good
I'm just not sure how to get them

[knotty glacier]

The thing is "More" and "Increased" mean differnet htings (additive vs multplcaitve) usually

and i belive "Reduced" and "Less" are the same way

[fervent raptor]

Increased and Reduced affect the same scalar

So if you have 60% increased, 50% reduced and 40% increased, it'll all add together to be 50% increased overall

[knotty glacier]

The otehr thing will be however your passive tree is setup

Rapid fire is a werid beast in that it really wants three things:

Elemental damage increases, Skill speed/attack speed, and Pierce/Chain.

Getting to 120% pierce on it makes a huge differencei nfeel

But uh, as you can see

that's some Effort to do

But most of rapid shot's dmaage is ocming from it's ramping boost form heat, which adds a ton of damage

When ym gun is entirely cooledown, my dps currently shows 11k.

At full tilt, i go between 60k and briefly to 90k.

(when i get overlapping Frehs clips)

[fervent raptor]

More and Less are both direct multipliers, so 20% More, 30% Less will end up becoming

1 * 1.2 * 0.7 = 0.84 so 16% less damage overall while you might look at the numbers and think only 10% less

[knotty glacier]

That's how crazy heat's scaling gets.

(Now, i have 2 more whole skill slots than you, which means i have Primal arments and also a "Break armor when ih eavy stun" in there)

[fervent raptor]

You should be able to grab proj% as well as ele%

Or attack% or 2h%

[knotty glacier]

Oh, for sure

and i do have some of those

Some other stuff; You get really strong grenades from Rapid Fire

I dont currently use mien a lot becuase my rapid fire is just absurd

but i have Flash Greande and Oil grenade socketed and i use them

Flash is a "Gitouttamyface" button

[ashen lotus]

Got it

Well, I've made more progress than before, still end up dying semi-randomly

[knotty glacier]

You're probably facetanking slams or simialr

Hard to say.

Damage can be spieky

Oil grenade is used to "Oh, you need to die fast" - it applies fire exposure

really i should socket in having the FLammbility curse, but that's getting a bit adcvance and esoteric

[fervent raptor]

Might try and grab a new pair of Plaguefingers

Neat little buff to a mandatory unique

[knotty glacier]

What changed on Plaguefingers?

Oh, incresed Poison on hit

Nice

Quite a signfiacnt amount too

[ashen lotus]

Interesting
Unrelated, I am wondering about if a merc build could work with energy shield
As that seems to be the one thing that actually works for defence

[knotty glacier]

So Gemling gets an insanely strong "Double the effect of stats" node.

which lets them do silly, silly stuff with strength giving crazy hp , etc

[ashen lotus]

Ahhhhhhhhh

I mean I need to get there first, and apparently I'm not even halfway through to the endgame