Undertale and Deltarune

[clear frost]

years inside the ring!

[timber widget]

Huh, can't recall that, was that question cut or something?

[inland hare]

The darkness will free us all

[ripe harbor]

ah, it was

from the cut third board looks like

what did she mean by that

I must've misremembered because I learned this one through someone re-adding the unused code, so I saw the visuals for it

it actually looks like every answer but 'Dust Bunny Forest' is accepted

I mostly keep it in mind because I think it's a funny Ralsei quirk, I like it it's goofy.

even the cut content does spooky phrasing bro

got Lost™ capitalized proper-noun

in the area 'Sneaking', with its 'Lost Girl' motif would've played. Ok dude.

[rain lotus]

eeyikes! i sure am a Lost Girl

[ripe harbor]

Ralsei in the Good World....

[strange cloud]

Rewatching Roots theory, and I went away mostly neutral on it originally but I really dislike it now.

The parts of mantle being a map of hometown is fine, but I really dislike the idea that the climax of the weird route will involve us going around killing all the hometown citizens.

I think it goes really counter to one of the big ideas of the weird route, which is preserving the past. Keeping dynamics the same as they’ve always been, enforcing a hierarchy and not allowing change.

Going around killing everyone is kinda the opposite of this, forcing the world to change to new dynamics, Kris and Noelle as murders. Obviously berdly was killed in the weird route (or at least put in a permanent coma) but that was because berdly was a change to the world, “replacing” Kris as Noelle’s best friend.

[ripe harbor]

mhm

I always thought the sword route was more important metaphorically than any literal killing you'd do, yeah

[strange cloud]

Yah that is more likely I think

I think the idea of the effects of the weird route extending to the rest of home town is more likely

Then flat out murder

[ripe harbor]

even the Ralsei+Susie bit. I'm surprised "Kris will literally kill them" or "Kris did slash them" picked up speed compared to "Kris is (literally) backstabbing them because they feel they're / are committed to already (metaphorically) backstabbing them."

[strange cloud]

That’s true but also I do think we’ll fight them because hype moments and aura

However, I do really think a fight between us and the rest of the fun gang works compared to us just, killing all of hometown because it’s far more personal

Which is important, the weird route is only so effective because it’s deeply personal with the characters

Especially compared to the genocide route in undertale which was so effective because it’s deeply impersonal

[ripe harbor]

a weird route fight with the Fun Gang almost makes a normal route conflict with Noelle seem more likely

where the situations and context change, but the sides remain the same (except the soul flips)

[strange cloud]

Hmm, maybe?

I think Noelle conflict is likely but that’s more because everyone is constantly lying to her

I’m not sure the weird route reversal is the reason

[ripe harbor]

mostly thinking about Noelle as opposed to the fun gang after watching chapter 2 again. She's got a few kinda, vague time's she's positioned in opposite?

yeah, the context would shift enough that it wouldn't really be a parallel fight. I don't think it'd be as simple as an OFF style 'who are you with'

but if Noelle is ever an antag on the main route vs. the trio, and weird route you (+ noelle) go against? that'd feel intentional.

[strange cloud]

That’s fair yah

[ripe harbor]

I dont want to fight Noelle! She's great!

it's just the whole '4 main characters' thing with the 'allied party size is 3'...

[strange cloud]

I think if we do fight Noelle, it’ll be more of a, calm down kinda fight

[ripe harbor]

Noelle's the one getting lied to, the one who's inexplicably powerful with the scary magic, the one with the most angelic motifs....

[strange cloud]

I just, can’t imagine a scenario where Kris or Susie would ever want to seriously hurt her

[ripe harbor]

it's nothing really major, just a whole lot of little snags

[strange cloud]

Hell, I can’t think of a scenario where they even want to graze her cheek

[ripe harbor]

oh for sure I don't think they'd kill her or anything

[strange cloud]

They’re both super protective of her

Maybe not protective

[ripe harbor]

If she wants to open a Dark World, or work with her family...

[strange cloud]

But like, idk gentle is maybe the right word?

[ripe harbor]

Kris wouldn't fight her for that. Susie might?

[strange cloud]

They both scare her a bunch but actual harm is another thing

[strange cloud]

It’s so hard to say rn

Susie is… idk what she’s thinking rn

[ripe harbor]

The characters have never been in a situation where someone they know wants to cause the Roaring, and can't be talked out of it.

[strange cloud]

That’s true yah

[ripe harbor]

so I really don't know what they'd do. I think Susie would fight though, she's heroic. Ralsei might fight because he's scared.

[strange cloud]

Yah Ralsei is another hard to read character in regards to Noelle

He clearly thinks Susie and her will get together

Noelle being the love the girl finds

But like, beyond that it’s hard to tell what he thinks of her

[ripe harbor]

I do think something in this vein is actually going to be core to whatever tragedy happens in the end of the prophecy

[lusty cypress]

Noelle might do something involving the Light

[strange cloud]

“Susie, Kris, you gotta kill your girlfriend” (Krusielle real)

[ripe harbor]

some completely understandable series of decisions based on not wanting to hurt someone, that all collide to make some real fucked up situation

[lusty cypress]

Like impose a memory upon the world that does not change

[ripe harbor]

not wanting to hurt someone -> it's not stopped until someone's death is the only way out

[lusty cypress]

A heaven

Maybe noelle becomes the light equivalent to the knight

A disturbing angel

[ripe harbor]

She's really into the idea of having huge angel wings

[lusty cypress]

Sorta similar to omega flowey

[ripe harbor]

#noticing how cut-Susie calls flirting and compliments and kissing 'all the same thing' & then #noticing how she compliments Kris and Noelle

[strange cloud]

I’ve never believed in any theory more then I’ve believed in Krusielle

[minor merlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S01v2giEew

neat fan song

WAIT IT'S 12 MINUTES WHAT

[rain lotus]

i misread as "committed to the bit"

[strange cloud]

It’s what Kris deserves

[minor merlin]

I massively fw Kris rolling up their sleeve

fuck the knife, soul is getting straight fisticuffs

[rain lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-delta-rune-kris-kris-dreemurr-soul-gif-7988383559227812185

kris vs soul

[lusty cypress]

You know, I think soul abd susie being light and darkness is important
Susie creates possibilities and paths, and the soul makes the path certain, an inevitability

In the normal route, where the soul doesn't dominate, they can twist the prophecy to get a good ending

[strange cloud]

Kris

[minor merlin]

okay this goes insanely fucking hard ngl

[ripe harbor]

kristicuffs

[ripe harbor]

they play off each other, yeah

Susie's smile gives you more light- the Soul is able to guide her to the Justice Axe / keep her safe from the Freaky Statue Thing

DR doesn't entirely put light and darkness as opposing, but both magnified by their interplay. They grow stronger under 'tension'(? why it's called that? maybe?)

[minor merlin]

I found a neat remix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HaAjYLBxjE

it's apparently in the music style of a game this person is making

the title is literally " "

[strange cloud]

Huh

[minor merlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GLnPtqgIbE

another Kris battle theme

[ripe harbor]

a game with nothin'?

[minor merlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN0aUl9NDVY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRyGERw9BoE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCrAwqXKJP4

[strange cloud]

They’re so cool…

[astral quiver]

diagonal Kris

[manic parrot]

illegal

that child may only be perceived at orthogonal angles

cease this immediately

[ripe harbor]

they are kris-crossed....

[ripe harbor]

I was thinking about this when I brought up Noelle coming into conflict with the group due to wanting to make a Dark Fountain, lol

the set up is there!

[restive comet]

O

[ripe harbor]

https://www.tumblr.com/tainebot01/802746930165923840/im-sure-that-by-now-pretty-much-everyone-whos?source=share

hmm, interesting

Bird Theory Is Real :)

I’m sure that by now pretty much everyone who’s played Chapter 4 has noticed that the Titan we battle in the Dark Sanctuary, compared to the prophecy’s depiction is… oddly angelic?

Feathered wings and countless eyes, a battle amidst the church heights, a general fear-inducing presence… I could go on, but you get the picture. If titans are primordial embodiments of darknesss and fear of the unknown, then it’s very likely that this particular titan was shaped by fear of The Angel itself.

Though it’s not as easy to identify which traits are titanic and which are purely angelic considering we don’t even know what The Angel looks like. Even Susie’s and Ralsei’s responses to an obscured depiction are rather vague, though it may be more than a little disturbing....

Tumblr · Dec 12, 2025, 5:05 PM

not sure I'm on the bird train, but this is an effortpost, and tbh there's enough info collected here to just be a useful resource either way

How Ralsei described it as hatching, along with the way the fountain cracks as clawed arms and wings emerge...

The banded talons as it hatches and the feathers shed as it heals...

The initial silhouette resembling something curved and pale like an eggshell, before feathered wings unfold...```
wonder if I could cosmic-eggpill them through this angle. The formation of the world from primordial matter through a big egg (like the Titan being made of unformed matter, arising from the unreal), hundun style.

[ripe harbor]

but, I mean- hmm... It does seem to be the case that Noelle is a deer for thematic reasons, and susie is The Dragon for thematic reasons, and Ralsei is The Devil a horned goat for thematic reasons.

Would Berdly be a bird for specific reasons? Was he important enough to have that sort of tie baked in?

Just as The Prophecy, Heaven and Freedom can be tied back to the mysterious Angel… so do The Birds.
🤔

I'd be more likely to consider it reversed, birds as something under 'the blue sky' & 'the heavens' & 'freedom', but that could be a thing?

The Librarby bird and DW Berdly are both light-blue, and the color associations of RGB and CMYK in the story do have a bit of a Cyan-Shaped hole in them

[ripe harbor]

hell, Catti & Jockington seem to be their animals for some deeper reason, too. Sure, why not, I'll ratchet Birdlore up a notch for 'maybe cooking some way'

[astral quiver]

ive had this thought that Noelle might become in the know that Dark Worlds arent just a dream and try cure her dad in one or something tragic along those lines

since theres this line when shes visiting Rudy about "if it was as easy as in the game" or something or other

[ripe harbor]

seems like a maybe natural direction for things to go. Or if she finds out about the Knight and/or her sister

[astral quiver]

i doubt Toby will make Rudys condition as easy as "put em in a dark world" or "it was a dark world injury in the first place so he can be cured there too :3"
i really doubt thats gonna happen

[astral quiver]

big can of worms that one

[ripe harbor]

and what animal eats worms....?

[ripe harbor]

There was always this element of Queen in the WR I think goes unmentioned

when talking about Noelle after Cyber City Alleyway Incident,

she says

Let Her Close Her Eyes And Sleep Away
Into A Darker, Darker Dream```

which is sort of odd phrasing

'already awakened too much'. Already? Too much? Is there a normal amount of 'awakening' she's supposed to be at?

Is it not the awakening thats an issue, but its too early?

?

kinda ties into Noelle being weirdly and uniquely strong. She's got a huge untapped well of power- it the weird route, she's awakened too much of it.

But she still has that on the normal route, and I think it might come into play later, like if she does something like opening some massive super fountain for personal drama reasons

(I assume the power has to be related to all the Yearning she does. Very hopeful, very lost in dreams, very strong.)

[astral quiver]

shes kinda the type to have huge escapism needs with the amount of pressure thats on her like all the time.
and shes like very online

so that could be true

[rain lotus]

i think they were gonna make berdly do it

just girlboss hard enough and you can troll anyone into making one probably

[ripe harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yutsIpLK2Rs

I still think this is one of The Most Spamton videos ever made

I think something like this plays on repeat in his head basically 24/7

[sour mesa]

yeah

[ripe harbor]

really just cuts to the core of "Nothing else could have ever been different" & "Everybody gets what they deserve in this world (read: you deserve this)"

And how it feels to not like either of those options, lmao

[low surge]

Spamton absolute would say “lock in get it twisted” while he loses $700 on slots

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m0WOtXQhxVs&pp=ygUabm9ydGhlcm5saW9uIGRpc2NvIGVseXNpdW3SBwkJxQoBhyohjO8%3D

[minor merlin]

I love how "get it twisted" is like. The trigger phrase for the talk to switch

[lusty cypress]

https://cheezydraws.tumblr.com/post/810267899724021760

Cheezy Draws

-# #dunno if this makes sense #i was riding on vibes mostly for this #deltarune #kris dreemurr #noelle holiday #kriselle #asgore dreemurr #well his hand is there #illustration #cheezydraws

Tumblr · Mar 5, 2026, 5:28 PM

[low surge]

I loooooooove deltarune angst

[rain barn]

made some final fantasy tactics-esque battlemaps inspired by the dark sanctuary

I made broken glass and piles of books for dangerous terrain/difficult terrain but I haven't made a map that uses them yet

[lusty cypress]

https://zirkkun-arts.tumblr.com/post/794593028025221120/just-some-guys-who-wanna-freely-be

▬ kill the part of you that cringes🙷

💚 ▬

just some guys who wanna freely be themselves

→ reblogs appreciated!
→ commissions open!
→ kofi requests open!

-# #deltarune #spamton g spamton #spamton deltarune #spamton #addison deltarune #battat deltarune #mike deltarune #battat #green pippins #mike pippins #pippins deltarune #ramb deltarune #ramb #plugboy deltarune #zircon arts #have i mentioned i hate tagging the mike trio #any one of them #anyway does anyone else think about how these guys are like . everybody else fits the mold of what object they are #except these three?? #spamton we already to an extent know his deal but he was still shorter than the other addisons to start #like why are these three different from the other guys when its so like #clearly very particular that everyone is like. The Same #they even made multiple jokes about this

Tumblr · Sep 13, 2025, 5:02 PM

[ripe harbor]

sick!

[rain barn]

some cuptains and their captain, Stein

[ripe harbor]

https://www.tumblr.com/amorphousamalgam/810217808097083392/real-eyes-i-dont-know-if-anyone-else-has-made?source=share

Larry Kaberga

Real eyes

I don't know if anyone else has made this joke before, but the idea popped into my head once and I've wanted to draw it.

-# #susie deltarune #kris dreemurr #deltarune #digital art #kris deltarune #Idk how to make comics

Tumblr · Mar 5, 2026, 4:11 AM

[ripe harbor]

"Stein", nice lmao

FF reference? ||with the white feather?||

[rain barn]

yep

inspiration hit me when I realized how much his helmet looks like a stein lid

[ripe harbor]

I only really know him because I had a friend who was really big into him & his theme as a meme lol. Was his pfp for 2 years.

||for a while I kept getting confused if he was from FF or Fire Emblem||

[manic parrot]

what did you use for this, Cynna?

[rain barn]

Brickadia, a game some friends of mine made

-# I've been less keen on recommending it since they started using claude for coding though

-# probably not the place to discuss this but I lack the relevant expertise to judge how much of a dealbreaker it is since a lot of the programmers I know are getting on board with it and I am not a programmer

[lusty cypress]

I wonder what ego gear the main characters would use, if they were nuggets in lob corp/library of ruina

[ripe harbor]

whatever this thing is:

'But at the end of that dark path is a light.'
'Because there are things that shine in the dark there.'

'Let's go there.'

'And we'll shine brighter than anything in that dark place.'```

'Well, let's make our dreams come true. Let's sink together into the depths.'

The dim fluorescent lights impaling the entity's back flicker. ```

It can hang I think. It's got the right symbolism.

[lusty cypress]

Dream devouring siltcurrent

I think Red Shoes is a good one too
It is based on desire
In one game it was emphasized the aspect that it offers the will/way to fulfill repressed desires, with hurting others helping it
In another, it was emphasized the aspect of taking the spot from other to fulfill your desires

It makes you think it will make you happy

Then there's the oz abnos, which are about wishes too, they sought to make them come true but were all tricked and unhappy

Susie could vibe with Big and will be Bad Wolf, a creature doomed to be the villain and hurt others

[strange cloud]

LIMBUS COMPANY MENTIONED

https://tenor.com/view/limbus-company-limbus-don-quixote-don-yapping-gif-14228003647965206973

[strange cloud]

Kris red riding hooded mercenary and Dess Big and Will be Bad wolf would go crazy

[rain lotus]

imo they'll probably realize what its good at and what its abysmal at since they seem to have their heads on straight

[lusty cypress]

Noelle could go well with Snow Queen

Kris I had thoughts but forgot this morning

[rain barn]

that seems to be the case as far as I can tell

maybe I should ask #technical-discussion about it at some point since it's very off topic for this thread

[minor merlin]

LIMBUS COMPANY!!!!

SILTCURRENT!!!

[lusty cypress]

If we include alephs, nothing there fits kris

[manic parrot]

Limbo corpo not woke enough to provide appropriate monster fighting gear for the world’s skrunkliest gamer they

[minor merlin]

actually, Limbus Company's abnormality research department has created much more volatile but more highly adaptable gear that can directly resonate with its user without immediately corroding them, so it's likely they could make something that fits Kris very well

however they also kind of slowly start to creep into your mind and take root (seeing as abnos are often the sort of, like, representation of an idea to an extent) affecting your thoughts and actions if you resonate with them too much and begin to like. microdose corrosion

[lusty cypress]

Ah, forsaken murderer would vibe with kris

Their regret, the association with experiments and being bound

[manic parrot]

That doesn’t sound very child friendly

[lusty cypress]

The idea of sacrifices for what must be done

[minor merlin]

probably not

[manic parrot]

One of these days I’m gonna have to actually try and play Lobster Consortium

[lusty cypress]

Susie I think would have decent Justice stat at the start, and grow it
Its associated work, Repression, can be done violently or peacefully
Justice is also the stat of quick and decisive judgement of a situation abd how to respond to it. And susie is decisive
As things gets more somber for her, she'd vibe with Funeral of Dead Butterflies, an abno of Justice and grief

[minor merlin]

I honestly can't recommend Lobotomy Corporation in good faith

like, I love the game, I love the franchise that comes from it, etc.

but holy shit

it is pure, undilluted suffering and agony

the other 2 games are much less painful but Lob Corp is kind of fundamental to the story in some ways

[lusty cypress]

I just don't know all the good Justice trainers in the game

[minor merlin]

iirc one of the good high level ones is Mountain of Smiling Bodies

[manic parrot]

Every time I looked into it it seemed extremely opaque, gameplay wise
And the quality of the translation seemed pretty questionable

[lusty cypress]

Lob corp is less painful modded, just ask what the QoL and easy mods are

[minor merlin]

modern translations are much better

and the opaqueness is intentional, and it becomes less opaque

part of the gameplay loop is just retrying the day until you can get enough information to work on new abnormalities without fucking up

[lusty cypress]

Yeah, Abnormality is a mistranslation that caught on
The proper name would be Fantasy or Fantasm

[minor merlin]

also that bit yeah

[minor merlin]

like, it's good enough to work with in terms of gameplay so it's fine

the first one? atrocious. current one works

[lusty cypress]

Ralsei I think could vibe with Clouded Monk, too bad this one plain sucks to have
Yin too. An abno of negative things one can't be rid of

[minor merlin]

Clouded Monk is genuinely one of the worst abnos ever

sucks to manage, but it doesn't even have good gear in exchange

[lusty cypress]

Lobotomy corporation is a game where information is king, and without a guide you might plain pick bad abnos
You can reset to start of day, to first day, or the last save point day (think it's days ending in 1 or 6)

[manic parrot]

Lobbing corps

[lusty cypress]

But I think you can reset while keeping information you obtained, maybe gear too

[minor merlin]

you keep gear if you've ended day after extraction

iirc

information too

[lusty cypress]

Yeah, it needs a fix
Think ralsei would also vibe with funeral of cherry blossoms
Something beautiful that blooms from tragedy

[manic parrot]

I can’t tell if y’all’re encouraging or dissuading me

[lusty cypress]

Ralsei would be high Prudence I think. A support guy, and good at assessing environments to meet others' needs
Also alriune would fit him.

[minor merlin]

play it because it's good and I love it

[lusty cypress]

You can just see a lets play if you want

[minor merlin]

but also prepare to genuinely suffer if you don't download QoL mods

[manic parrot]

Hm

Sounds like it’s staying on the “maybe” list then

[lusty cypress]

Hell, I'm playing ruina with a mod to avoid engaging with the book resource counting

So no achievements for me

Well I could just finish the game, turn off the mods, then rush all fights with endgame builds

[minor merlin]

there's a mod to enable achievements with mods on

[lusty cypress]

And clouded monk can't train
Because it heals sp aftee insight work

Lmao at ralsei getting to manage the worst abno

[strange cloud]

Chat, is Kris apart of the very very wonderful gang?

The characters Gaster calls out during the vessel creation

[manic parrot]

What

[strange cloud]

Yah if you put your vessel’s name as certain people Gaster calls them out

Like Susie and Noelle

[manic parrot]

Interesting…

[timber widget]

I... don't think so

Wiki should say though

[rain lotus]

kris/susie/noelle is "interesting, you're gonna meet someone wonderful"

mine was "of course they're the same"

cuz i just kinda slammed "sam" into every text field

[manic parrot]

Sam(e)

[ripe harbor]

ya iirc

(||I checked for possibly the same reason a while back lol||)

I'm not sure what it means, or if it does actually mean anything actual (and not just as an Easter egg)

hard to imagine what Kris would be doing in the story if you werent tied up with them and had a vessel instead.

Unclear how much Gaster expected the vessel to be discarded, and honestly still unclear if there is a second speaker in that scene at all. (though I think it's implied)

Ralsei isn't

[strange cloud]

I was checking because I’ve been really getting into Kressel

And if Kris wasn’t mentioned it would have been solid evidence that they didn’t exist before we made our vessel

[ripe harbor]

mhm

thats why I'm like 'I'm not sure how canonically I should take this point'

[strange cloud]

Yah…

[ripe harbor]

its definitely something to note, but I don't know what it would imply about why gaster found them interesting before the vessel was getting made

[strange cloud]

I really like Kressel thematically but like, man it’s hard to figure out how it’d work with what we know about the gonermaker sequence and Kris’s past

[ripe harbor]

Why would Kris be a main character without the soul? 🤔

[strange cloud]

Yah, and like if they are our vessel then like, they weren’t Kris then. They were whatever we named them

So why would Gaster even refer to the name Kris as interesting?

[ripe harbor]

its definitely a point against Kressel, even if its still a little ???

but I'm also willing to accept it as 'Not everything Gaster says is necessarily DeepLore™ 100% canon'

[strange cloud]

I’m not

[ripe harbor]

Kressel honestly has very little hard evidence so far, it's more just that it fits some thematic elements

and gives a solution to the 'wtf is going on here' thing that's Kris' relationship with the Soul

[strange cloud]

Yah

[ripe harbor]

yeah even then you can't dismiss it. I just don't know what it would mean to take it all seriously.

[strange cloud]

It is very thematically interesting and yah gives an actual reason for Kris’s soul being so weird, but also like, man it’s hard to think about

[ripe harbor]

What was Gaster's vision of 'DELTARUNE' before the vessel creation? What was he expecting to happen, why would these characters specifically be 'interesting', if it's an in-universe opinion?

[ripe harbor]

for their past, I always imagine for Kressel they still would've been young when they got adopted into their family

[strange cloud]

Oh yah for sure

I honestly always sorta imagined Kris as a, lost baby situation

[ripe harbor]

finding a human child in the woods and taking them home lmao

[strange cloud]

There’s 0 chance they were more then 5 when they were adopted

[ripe harbor]

ya

[strange cloud]

Likely younger

[strange cloud]

Kinda yah

[ripe harbor]

its a little funny to imagine a town of monsters find a human kid in the woods like a fae

[strange cloud]

Toriel “they don’t tell you this but you can keep human children. I have 8 at my home”

[ripe harbor]

reading the library books like "Are human kids supposed to be out here?"

[strange cloud]

Wild humans growing in trees

[ripe harbor]

you can get really bountiful harvests, as long as the Roots are strong

[ripe harbor]

I think it's important when you're making theories (opposed to just reads or interpretations) to basically try as hard as you can to disprove your own speculation, which is why I've given these some thought.

[strange cloud]

Yah

[ripe harbor]

when I was first thinking about Kris as the Vessel, I checked out the names because it not being there would be a big smoking gun, but it was, and you can't just ignore that for your own pet theory!

[strange cloud]

I want to ignore it so bad…

There is some possibility I’m seeing from other Kressel people that the gonermaker may be elsewhere in the timeline then we think

Like it’s actually a flash forward

But like

Idk

[ripe harbor]

The way that sequence originally ended, in the cut content, was Susie's voice yelling at Kris to get up (before you wake up and it's Toriel)

so maybe

basically, Kris doesn't normally receive the One Key from Zoss, but in this cycle-

[strange cloud]

oh no

[ripe harbor]

Oops! all homestuck

[ripe harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXeftLB9UTo

if someone hasnt seen it

[strange cloud]

Yah I saw this

Why do you think it’s Susie though?

[ripe harbor]

like this definitely would've implied some time shenanigans, either for the world or for Kris having some prophetic knowledge

not sure

Kris likes her?

its cut content, but I read it as sort of a nightmare

it might literally be an event yet to come, but I think Kris would be thinking of it because it's the underlined bit

Susie calling out their name, worriedly

it reads like they just got knocked tf out or something

like my takeaway is 'this is an important bond, even if Kris or especially Susie doesn't know it yet'

I don't think Kris remembers yuor genocides all the different save files you play through, but I think they probably know something about saving?

Its the light 'only you can see', that they reach for instinctively, and they got their own file right at the start

||'Kris can see Save points, unlike everyone else, and seems to have before the Soul got involved' might also be some Kressel evidence. Or at least evidence for them being weird in a more meaningful way.||

they might know that all of this has been done before(? if it has. It's still only an implied time-loop deal.)

& I could see that knowledge translating to them having spooky fragmented nightmares of past-future events

[strange cloud]

There is the new future stuff gaster also talks about

But importantly I think, I think everything involving us is new

Because Gaster brought us here because of our potential for a new future

[ripe harbor]

the and Neo future

yeah, we literally weren't around if there were previous ways the story has gone

[strange cloud]

Yah it’s one of those weird things we can be sure of because like

I wasn’t there

Me

Magma

I didn’t play that game

[ripe harbor]

I just got here! Idk what's going on or where I am or what's happening.

I do know I'm ride or die with Susie. shame we haven't really met yet.

[strange cloud]

I wasn’t involved

I want Kris to be happy and well fed

[ripe harbor]

Any thoughts about Ralsei specifically not being the 'someone Wonderful' list?

[strange cloud]

I think it’s because he’s a darkner

And Gaster is racist

[ripe harbor]

his chud son that he hates.... 😭

[strange cloud]

Gaster was pregnant with him for a year and he just looks like Asriel

[timber widget]

"You are about to meet a wonderful sometimes-animate book"

[rain lotus]

YOU ARE ABOUT TO MEET A STUPID CHUD

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-gif-23627897

[ripe harbor]

There was an interesting read about Gaster not necessarily being able to 'see' Dark Worlds as clearly, but I think post Sanctuary that's harder to support

because of all the prophecy

Though nothing in the prophecy says the Prince From Deepest Dark's name is Ralsei. Maybe that's one of those doesnt-matter details that could shift.

While Susie & Noelle & Kris all live in the Light World already. They already have names.

There is always a lord of screens, and they are always cleaved, but are they always named Ant Tenna?

You only ever meet 'Gerson' in Dark Worlds, as a Darkner. So (||assuming it's in-universe||) Gaster saying it's AN INTERESTING COINCIDENCE either means he knows / is speaking about chapter 4 Gerson Darkner stuff, or is just commenting on

'You have the same name as the dead Fantasy Author in this town. How interesting.`

imo, one of the biggest things Chapter 4 does for the mystery of Dark Worlds is showing you how malleable their truths can be.

"Are the Wafers the ancestors of the Philosophers, or their descendants?" might be a question where the answer is "yes" or "depends"

The answer might be different depending on what Sanctuary you are in, in a way that's not a lie so much as it is true for now. Both versions are 100% true.

The Prince's name is Ralsei, 100%, for a fact, right now. Did it have to be?

Was his name not locked in at the start, the way the others were? maybe lol idk.

you could even throw in the time-shenanigans. The princes name was always Ralsei, but it wasn't always Ralsei yet.

or Gaster's racist. And that could actually just be it.

[strange cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-gif-26519891

[ripe harbor]

sometimes I think about how King is the only chapter boss without a prophetic panel in 4 (where even Asgore / Flower Man gets one)

and how King's motivation and backstory for becoming the chapter antag

specifically relate to Jevil telling him of the knight- someone Jevil seems to only know about because they met with... Someone.

If Jevil didn't meet with this third party, would King have been an antag? the antag?

Is there even a prophecy about King, or was he superfluous, unintended? Not relevant to the prophecy as a whole?

and I think about how Seam, who knows when you'll meet Gerson, and when you'll fight the knight, did not know the circumstances that would lead to you getting the Chapter 2 Shadow Crystal.

They know it was in the 'old machine'. They did not know Spamton would be involved.

They do not know what happened to their ShadowMantle, of if it was taken...

[ripe harbor]

it just makes you wonder

Is the secret boss stuff prophecized? What would it mean, if it wasn't?

[strange cloud]

I mean, there had to have been someone

The prophecy kinda requires villains for the heroes to defeat

[ripe harbor]

but Jevil serves as a villain you can fight and defeat, just an optional one

idk if its relevant that King doesn't get a prophecy panel, but it is true that you don't see direct textual evidence that he's in the prophecy the same way you do for Tenna.

and you learn that he only knows of the Knight because Jevil told him. Which is interesting, imo,

[ripe harbor]

for this reason

Its generally assumed to not be. You don't have to do it, it's not part of 'the story'. Except Jevil gaining this knowledge and acting on it- was? might've been?

Are the characters who have interactions with the Strange Someone fated to have had those, or is it extraneous to fate? is basically what I think I'm asking

Was it always going to happen no matter what, or does it not matter if it happened or not?

I think whatever the answer is would be relevant to whoever the Someone is, and what their relationship to the prophecy/gaster/whatever is

^ what a NOTHINGBURGER sentence bro 'information might give more information, maybe' this ambiguity is killing me toby release the Friend Files already please

[timber widget]

He doesn't really do much besides cheer on the Knight as it makes fountains

And like, try to kill whatever lightners fall in his lap

[rain barn]

a dragon, perhaps

[ripe harbor]

exactly. It's just enough that I'm like

"Is it just unimportant writing that doesn't matter or is it implying something about the prophecy and the roles of the characters, and if it's different now?"

[rain barn]

I wonder if the kindness ralsei advocated for has already changed what will happen despite the prophecy in that regard

[ionic rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/limbus-company-gif-17719505235537059258

[ripe harbor]

https://vaporbabeart.tumblr.com/post/801748163042115584/every-time-i-listen-to-northernlight-i-imagine-an

v a p o r b a b e

Every time I listen to NORTHERNLIGHT, I imagine an atmosphere like this...

-# #deltarune #deltarune fanart #northen lights #art #pixel art #fanart

Tumblr · Dec 1, 2025, 4:30 PM

'Oh wow that's pretty nice- pixel art?!? 👀'

[ripe harbor]

also idle thought inspired by latest csm chapter, ||there isn't a particularly easy parallel to draw with using any of the biblical or Revelation motifs DR sprinkles around- but it does have a connection to both glitch-y distortion, and the other junk data in Queen's basement- the 'tiny_bugs'||

Maybe that's it? The ||key to the abyss opens it up -> smoke pours from the earth to cover the sky, there is a bunch of earthquakes & thunder & big frozen bits falling from the sky, and the earth is covered in 'bugs'?||

would be kind of an abstract pun

but it honestly might fit better than anything else, if you were looking for inspiration from those places for it

||'tails of scorpions and the face of (wo)man and the teeth of a lion (<- cat?)' idk. Maybe?||

[ripe harbor]

with a bat hilt

which could mean nothing

[astral quiver]

its halloween themed

thats the meaning

[manic parrot]

one of these bad boys

[ripe harbor]

ya, but its the double pun on bat, right

||but I did forget about the animal existing for a sec. oops.... ||

sorry I got December Holiday induced tunnel vision. happens to everyone.

[minor merlin]

Toby Fox has completely warped language for you i think

[ripe harbor]

that was my last feeble argument. I was actually probably just not cooking at all here 😔

[ripe harbor]

I will be the first & baddest bitch lined up day 1 to meet That Fucking Cat

and if I have to go a little crazy for that. I'll get a little crazy.

[clear frost]

nice color scheme

who sells it again?

||and who was going to give the mantle?||

[minor merlin]

so why's the thorn ring got thorns anyways

[white basalt]

the ring changes noelle's description to "receives pain to become stronger", so it's probably at least related to that

deltarune fandom wiki posits some relation to noelle's association with christian imagery - compare the crown of thorns

i'm also led to wonder if it relates to whatever the hell is going on with "roots"

[ripe harbor]

jesus reference? 'Crown of Thorns -> Ring of Thorns'?

and roses might be a bigger thing going forwards since 5 seems to be a flower shop

thorns are also spikes, sudden protrusions, and they stab into you in a way that can be hard to remove. Fits the weird route as a sudden break based around forming a specific, strong connection?

like you can't take off a ring thats stabbing into your flesh without tearing yourself, its deeply embedded

[white basalt]

there's also the original equip animation

[ripe harbor]

oh yeah I guess also the 'pointed tail' is itself also a point, whatever that means

[ripe harbor]

yeah it might double down on flower symbolism going forward

[minor merlin]

idk why but I just fucking thought of omega flowey having thorns when I first thought about this and then went "I need to get out the kitchen I haven't even played this game"

[ripe harbor]

and then retroactively the thorns will make more sense

a thornbed is barren? No flowers, but all the pain?

[ripe harbor]

I mean, it isn't nothing. There are a lot of vines in the digital roots area- and there doesn't need to be

[minor merlin]

omega flowey.... has thorns...

the thorn ring? thorns.... it's all solved....

[minor merlin]

ok true

[ripe harbor]

It could be as simple as the bunker is really overgrown inside, and the vines/thorns sort of echo backwards

but the plant stuff has only increased. "Lost where the forest would grow", "A tree was painted over it, painted over everything...", "ROOTS"

so idk

[minor merlin]

tobias "tricky tony" fox is telling us that trees are evil and we have to deforest the world harder

[ripe harbor]

or maybe the forest growing is the only reason more children havent gone missing. And its about the danger of bulldozing dingles to build meat factories. Lorax style.

~~ voiced by Danny Devito ~~

[ripe harbor]

I like this one personally

like thorns suck. there isn't really anything to them but 'getting stabbed'

They are explicitly missing the part of the plant you would usually say is beautiful. You aren't getting pricked for going for the nice bit, you are seeking out the bit that's gonna hurt

to be hurt

[rain barn]

on the subject of flowers but not (seemingly) relevant to the current topic
I was going through miss mizzle's dialogue and I wonder if this'll be relevant:

    Shy to no camera, And a specimen of
    Elegance and kindness.
    Should you meet, Please give my regards.```

[ripe harbor]

likely foreshadowing for next chapter

[rain barn]

likely

strong implication for "asgore's flowers will be characters"

[ripe harbor]

actually, I did a line by line deeper analysis of Miss Mizzle's dialogue months ago to have on hand, she says a lot of foreshadow-y stuff

'Shy to no camera' might be more than it first appears, with all the photography language around the dark

this line stuck out to me

'for fear of some ugliness you see reflected in the glass' 🤔 hmm.....

one chapter after you 'meet the reflection' in the MANTLE game

[rain barn]

it being phrased like that makes me wonder if something like this will ever happen

[crimson badger]

john mantless

[ripe harbor]

heres a bit where she accepts you 'love', because no wellspring (<- Fountain) may be so pure, but once storing it for later (on 'lonely eves', to 'blossom') warns you not to continue heaping praise on her

lest your babbling (<- sound) overflow the chalice (<- water flooding) into turbulence (<- everything mixed together, chaotic)

thats the Roaring

[ripe harbor]

I actually dont recognize this game?

[crimson badger]

also WeirdVibes

[ripe harbor]

which one is it

[crimson badger]

ffiv

[rain barn]

final fantasy 4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFHns6V7yTE

[ripe harbor]

ahhhh. the one with the onion squad.

[rain barn]

that's 3

4 has predefined characters

[ripe harbor]

I'm chopped....

Cecil's where the Black Knife comes from, right?

[rain barn]

uhhh kind of

ff4 references would not surprise me considering the main villain of ff4 looks like this

[crimson badger]

ffiv is where swoon comes from

yeah

[rain barn]

but yeah in that scene he renounces the dark and becomes a paladin

but his reflection stays a dark knight and then comes out of the mirror to attack him as a final test

the test being to use your new paladin abilities of Defend and White Magic (healing)

as the reflection just uses the dark knight ability that drains your hp to attack over and over until it dies

[ripe harbor]

theres definitely some funky stuff with mirrors coming up

[rain barn]

-# which was somewhat ruined in the US version that didn't have that dark knight ability

[ripe harbor]

Dark Worlds are already literally reflections

hmm

just occurred to me,

isn't 'pure' the term used for Castle Town's fountain?

This sentence says "The purest type of fountain is one formed by a young knight's first love"?

[rain barn]

and it's where an asriel-shaped darkner lives 🤔

[ripe harbor]

I don't claim to have any specific idea what all the Miss Mizzle stuff means, but she definitely says a lot of it, and it's pretty much unremarked except for the flower line womp womp

[rain barn]

I'm not sure I'm all in on "dess had a thing for asriel" but 🤔

[ripe harbor]

hidden lore technique: infinite yap works

she talks about eggs more than you'd expect

[rain barn]

notable things about this character:
||his mind is not his own for most of the game
he's actually cecil's brother
he helps fight the final boss||

that second image feels like it's about the weird route

[ripe harbor]

the second one is difficult to crack

[rain barn]

much unlike an egg

[ripe harbor]

you could also describe normal route Kris as someone 'seeking to conquer hearts by force'

[ripe harbor]

(its me 😄 I'm heart ❤️)

[low surge]

Chat I’m scared

[ripe harbor]

HEs gonna get -got. for sure.

what about the part where Asgore comes in at night, alone to the church

[low surge]

Please no can my goat get a break PLEASE

[ripe harbor]

to spend all his time, praying

much like someone else I know...

[low surge]

Pleasepleasepleaseplease

We are going to get hit with levels of tragedy unseen

It’s asgorover

[ripe harbor]

Asgore

might also be trying to 'conquer hearts by force'

to reveal some beauty in gold and softened ivory

but love is made of eggshells. All he'll get is gnashing teeth, and regret.

[low surge]

Rudy you should have run away with him and opened that bed and breakfast when you had the chance you could have saved him

[ripe harbor]

he's Bergenfücked

[low surge]

https://tenor.com/view/asgore-sandboxels-deltarune-burning-asgore-dreemurr-gif-14522286979473426581

[ripe harbor]

-and should your love be true, you should already know what lies inside (the egg).

oh well, it would have to be a fri-

[ripe harbor]

who made this lmao

[low surge]

I wish I knew, it’s just in the gifs search

When will the fandom at large experience 1% of the pain asgore fans (not the misogynistic ones) experiencing every day?

[ripe harbor]

Though my face, shining back both sun and moon
is brighter and more holy than all stars,```
I don't have a larger point about this Miss Mizzle line I just tagged it for having the words 'Face' and 'shining back the sun' and 'more holy than all stars` (<- especially)

its just suspiciously Dark-World Motif coded

[ripe harbor]

real for the the parenthesis though. important addition.

[low surge]

You like Asgore because it gives you a vector to hate women, I like Asgore because I want him to be gay with his boss’ husband. We are not the same.

[ripe harbor]

my favorite ominous foreshadowing in the Miss Mizzle fight isn't even anything she says, and its something I caught myself in my first playthrough

just the flavor text getting all Apocalypse-y for a sec

it isn't yet time. but you can hear the raindrops, and you can hear the thunder, and you can smell it coming.

And waves crash far, far, far below.

and to keep you humble

theres also a homestuck right next to it. just so you dont get too wild.

yeah these kids are doomed, and Asgore's gonna fucking die, and heres a homestuck reference. What of it?

[minor merlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN30s4qKiIU

okay this is lowk fire

[ripe harbor]

It's 4 Mirror Reaper time

* I’ve never seen style-o-meter this high folks!

[rain barn]

made bibliox and mizzle miniatures and gave them fancy bases

[rain barn]

these are test pieces for a deltarune-inspired ICON game I'm going to run for some friends

it's been a fun exercise so far thinking about dark worlds I could make out of myself and my hometown

[crimson badger]

smrpg vibes

[rain lotus]

i dont hear it at all

[lusty cypress]

https://www.tumblr.com/mercyseb/810608761091899392/winggoat

Mercy

WingGoat

-# #deltarune #utdr fanart #deltarune fanart #kris deltarune #deltarune susie #susie deltarune #krusie #deltarune asriel #kris was a little rat back then and snitched on azzy by telling dess that he has a crush on her but azzy wouldn't let him do that even to #worst enemy so he had to help them #mercysketches

Tumblr · Mar 9, 2026, 11:45 AM

[timber widget]

Susie rules

[serene loom]

the muncherrrr

[low surge]

(@iatekawa)

[minor merlin]

😭

[rain barn]

Yet your tale will continue, and my role in it will scarcely be remembered.
Worry not. Whatever should become of me, I will be happy and free, safe in the knowledge that I have played my part.```

[ripe harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-spamton-true-gif-7759861591831652117

[lusty cypress]

Susie would eat amber ordeals

[sharp lodge]

https://old.rxddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1rpeto3/december_holiday_ascii_txt/?ref=share&ref_source=link

[amber jolt]

hngh I really need a Looping The Rooms animatic with Dess SO bad

[minor merlin]

EMESIS BLUE MENTIONED!!!

[ripe harbor]

Susie is the Amber Ordeal

[lusty cypress]

"Things have bites on them. Did an amber ordeal happen without I noticing? Or an abno breach?"
"No, it was agent Susie"

[ripe harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOHNcdjE7fw

don't need autotune 🔥 🔥 🔥

[amber jolt]

https://youtu.be/saoSEaSDsrY?si=XetHGSk8WVm3EOsA

Speaking of siivagunner rips

AUGH MY HEART

[lusty cypress]

Back on lob corp
Thought of funeral of cherry blossoms, clouded monk then settled on queen bee for ralsei
At this point, I realized I was assigning him annoying abnos. Maybe he gets saddled with the worst job
With hornet ego, he can't do support, unfortunately. But it fits him thematically. Seeing himself as a worker and sacrifice for the wellbeing of the worlds, a name to be lost and forgotten
Void Dream could be also fit. An eater of nightmares that tempts people to abandon reality for pleasant dreams. The white damage from the ego lets him do support

[strange cloud]

Going to other Deltarune communities and man, people are really cynical about the game sometimes

I feel like constantly worrying that Noelle won’t be important in chapter 5 is just sorta another case of like… hiatus brain

By all accounts and all the datamining people have been doing, she’s gonna be in the new dark world and castle town

[timber widget]

If they're worried, there's some stuff you can do to make her super important in the next chapter 👍

[astral quiver]

i live without want, so i can appreciate Deltarune chapter 5 without any kind of expectation at all

[lusty cypress]

Honestly, fandoms like to doom and hate

[astral quiver]

its why they call em fan dooms

[strange cloud]

That’s true

[lusty cypress]

Noelle gets paradise lost

[ripe harbor]

Yeah, she's literally given all this equal standing to the main 3 protags, she gets some of the most supplementary material (blog, newsletters, etc), she's directly tied to the mysteries and the central antagonist as of now,

One of the big moments of chapter 4 is setting her up to go to the Festival with Susie, shes one of the most set up characters for the festival,

like of course she'll be relevant

I'm not sure if I expect her to ever visit Castle Town though tbh

[ripe harbor]

I'm sometimes surprised by how often people talk about Kris or The Soul/Player as evil

not really a word I'd use for either

I might call Carol evil

depends a little on how aware she is of the tragic ending, and how much she's knowingly throwing Susie into it.

[strange cloud]

We have some datamined dialogue of her interacting with castle town citizens so I think it’s likely

[ripe harbor]

Maybe likely, though until I see it in-game I'm gonna assume its the same as all the flavor text she has for items she can't interact with

Noelle is in the unique position of already having a ton of dataminable dialogue for shit that does not & cannot happen

(at least yet)

[strange cloud]

We’re gonna kidnap her tomorrow

[ripe harbor]

would be cool if she did show up there though, I'm not against it

lmao

[strange cloud]

Hide her in castle town thinking that’ll save her from the final prophecy

[ripe harbor]

PLUEY levels rising. bring chosen ones to the ARK.

[strange cloud]

Lol

[ripe harbor]

Do people ever talk about this when arguing about 'The Girl with Hope Crossed'?

I feel like it's a solid piece of meta-evidence. The game expects Noelle to be able to react to stuff she isn't around for.

[strange cloud]

I’ve never heard of it as evidence

[ripe harbor]

hmm

[ripe harbor]

I only really mention it because the 'Susie isn't actually one of the three heroes' read is actually pretty old

and that was a big part of arguments people would make following chapter 2 about it

"The game itself seems to expect Noelle being present as a given. Nothing says Susie is the monster from the legend, and she consistently is doing weird things that 'break' the flow of the narrative."

[astral quiver]

well no, shes the dragon

duh

Gerson said so

[ripe harbor]

she talks way too much about trash, recycling, and things that are thrown away to be wearing that much magenta & yellow.

girl, why are you so bad at playing notes when you are supposed to. why are you so Error-coded.

[rain barn]

reminds, me when I was watching a longplay to refresh my memory on how the game plays out

susie's outline is pink, of course

why is ralsei's yellow.

[sharp lodge]

i think it's green-ish

[rain barn]

yeah on second look

a very yellow green

but still more green than yellow

[ripe harbor]

Susie's eye color is yellow, and Ralsei's is pink

though part of this is going to be that thats 2/3 of the subtractive primaries

still, it's weird how Susie's room gets a yellow crown added for seemingly no reason. It could've just been magenta, its an odd unique detail of hers.

she's just weirdly close to the trash-like mystery elements compared to every other party member

in the sense of fitting in with them. Kris is more connected in the sense they get dragged off to engage with them, lol.

In the language of the game motifs, Susie... doesn't belong?

[restive comet]

And then there was the girl

[ripe harbor]

the n3w3st girl, girl, girl, girl, girl...

[low surge]

They’re making Dess a pedophile

Toby you have to release the game they’re making her a pedophile Toby

[restive comet]

What?

[low surge]

(Not NSFW just sensitive subject matter)

[tidal fox]

what?

[restive comet]

Is it just the Deltarune community making the game out to be darker/edgier than it actually is again?

[low surge]

Yeah

[restive comet]

Alright

I'm thankful I deleted my Tumblr and never touched any other social media aside from Discord

I do see Dess as maybe not being the greatest person, but not as far to say that she's grooming Kris

And definitely not to say she was a bad person at all

[low surge]

You forgot this very important line of dialogue I see

[ripe harbor]

||evil abusive groomer who set kris up to start the end of the world||
holy headcanon

[ripe harbor]

I still like reads that sort of... zoom in on her going missing as a suicide-allegory

a lot of the ones that are too focused on the demons & the tails & the whatever seem to strip her of agency. I want to know what it was about Dess that she went looking for fantasy.

She was messy, disorganized, a little rude, a little rough-edged. She would spin these big expansive dreams for her sister, of cities far away from this town with shining lights, or that she had the biggest angel wings of all. She was a bit of a dreamer.

Seems like she was dissatisfied

Honestly, she was probably lost for a while before she went missing

She was a troubled teen girl who didn't seem to (want to?) live in her environment, she's not around anymore-
and her loss hangs like a shadow over the family she left behind. It feels like self-harm.

between 'Raise Up Your Bat' and the way the Knight acts, I see a bit of fear, too. Violence as a response to being afraid, raising up your bat to face the fright.

TLDR: we gotta throw Lancer at it to do some Steven Universe nonsense

[strange cloud]

Btw this is what I was vagueposting about earlier

Oh I never was here

[low surge]

lmaooooooo

[strange cloud]

Ok then I’ll just say: I fucking hate this recent trend of saying baseless interpretations of works and then going “but y’all aren’t ready for that conversation”

[ripe harbor]

real!

[strange cloud]

Because it turns poor analysis into a fandom issue

And people are sorta, naturally averse to fandom culture in my experience

[ripe harbor]

especially because it almost always tries to sidestep how these elements actually fit into a narrative or what the story is using them to say

[strange cloud]

So it adds legitimacy to your terrible analysis because now it’s seen through the lends of it being the “mature” reading, a maturity level that normal fandom cannot handle well

[strange cloud]

Yah, it’s adding mature themes to analysis not because the actual work has anything to say on these nature themes but because maturity adds a feeling of legitimacy, that any denial of these mature themes must be due to the deniers immaturity

It’s essentially framing yourself as a solemn truth teller, a rebel telling people the #hardtruths they aren’t ready to hear

And people fucking loooooove being someone who can handle hard truths

[ripe harbor]

I remember back when Spamton Groomer Discourse happened, I used 'Dess groomed Kris' as an example of an equally baseless read made for shock value, which would be obviously objectionable on its face.

Kinda wild that there are unironic reppers for it.

[ripe harbor]

I gotta assume this is like, 3 people though. There's no way a sizable proportion of fans would believe this, right?

[strange cloud]

I see basically two camps of people who say this:

1. people like OP, who want to deliver #hardtruths to the fandom

2. The weirdly persistent anti woke people who have claimed Deltarune as theirs. The kinda people who think Toby fox is based and hates his western fans and thinks Kris is a boy. These ones aren’t here to feel superior though, for them it’s a fetish thing because they also think of Dess as a hot goth Dommy mommy (I wanna throw up typing that)

[low surge]

Much more interesting yeah, I fw friend and the tail and all that but I really wanna know what caused Dess to go down this path and being seemingly willingly able to doom the world

[ripe harbor]

and I think at least part of that willingness is important. You wouldn't want to make Dess seem fully reactive.

[rain lotus]

you could say they're continuing a trend of people on the internet misusing the language of social justice to engage in petty internet fights but they're not ready for that conversation

[restive comet]

Is it just going to be Steven Universe all over again where people are purposely misinterpreting things so they can start discourse?

[sour mesa]

steven universe was a pretty specific flashpoint that's unlikely to repeat

[ripe harbor]

the DR version of that is the persistent meme-read that the game says you are evil for playing it

thats purposeful misinterpretation to start discourse

[timber widget]

It's like, I can see where they're coming from (assuming Dess Knight, that they are actually trying to cause the Roaring, they've manipulated Kris into this role), but also holy hell man

Toby "'Not in front of the human' as Alphys and Undyne try to kiss" Fox?

[ripe harbor]

I actually have friends who dislike DR Alphys because of her "😉" face while talking about you & susie spending all day in the supply closet lmao

'those your students cmon bruh. can you be professional for one second you goddamn fail-teacher.'

[ripe harbor]

I basically would trust someone leaning into sexual manipulation analysis for Carol/Dess moderately less than I would trust the average DR fan with that lens for Weird Route.
& I do not trust the average DR fan talking about weird route to go there.

Someone could probably cook in an interesting and thought provoking way: I don't think it's any of these posts.

instead it seems strictly for shock value!

which is up there for 'worst reasons to go there'

[low surge]

God forbid the weaboo girlfailure be a weaboo girlfailure

[ripe harbor]

I support her. and her weird fujo wallpaper.

but I think it's kinda funny she's got haters. They watch kris throw her juice combo down and they say "Good. She deserves worse."

[low surge]

I could never hate Alphys she’s spiritually me (disaster bisexual)

(@theairshiplady)

I can’t wait for the festival it’s going to fuck me up so bad

[lusty cypress]

Tumblr just had an update everyone hates

[lusty cypress]

Makes sense

[lusty cypress]

Once a thing becomes a fandom controversy, you can't genuinely didcuss it anymore

[lusty cypress]

Once, a weirdo went around the hero academia reddit claiming a guy would lose his powers permanently instead of temporarily, and people couldn't handle the truth.
He said he saw in the raws leaked. Then said fan translations that disagreed with him were just denial. Then the official translation came out, and he shut up. He was wrong

[low surge]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wgfe37AhLPo

Some interesting stuff here

I for one totally forgot that we can’t actually see anything during the “I’m holding the shadow mantle” part

Something I really got hung up on though that they glossed over was about the maze. How Noelle said the secret door could only be found if you didn’t have the character that guides you. If the maze is foreshadowing and we need Noelle to guide us, is it possible there would be an alternative where you don’t have her and can’t progress normally, but you can find a secret door?

[rain lotus]

I remember my immediate thought on seeing eram was it is ralsei shaped

I have no clue what i was thinking

[sour mesa]

truth beyond sight

[ripe harbor]

she could only find it while 'all alone'

you can only do the Mantle Games / Spamton's quest while Kris is separated in the same way, and abandonment plays heavily into all the surrounding themes

maybe something like that?

though I always took the lack of a character in her ice-maze story more as a weird route shout

...if you go there without that character, you'll get basically stuck... FOREVER.
The developers actually say something about this in the manual… It warns you this glitch is actually "one of the bad guy's magic spells"… Yeah XD... Sorry guys, I think you were just eating a little too much fruitcake when making this part of the game. XP

'If you reach this part of the game without a specific character present, the game can't progress normally.'

🤔

the in-universe explanation is that an evil magic spell was cast

I was actually always afraid of electrical sockets too because I thought they were looking at me XD

[ripe harbor]

I mean honestly might be something

they're probably both 'demons'

horned, fire-using, of the dark

my thought was Seam. Mostly for the toothy mouth and orange-y color

maybe subliminally for calling them 'shadow crystals'

[rain barn]

reminds me

the plugboys are most likely talking about queen here, given they get turned into werewires shortly after

but why's the terrain all smashed up

I feel like the ambiguity's probably intentional here

calling back to when you're following susie's trail of destruction in chapter 1

[ripe harbor]

oh for sure, I think it's very strongly implied Noelle lashed out here

she's the strongest of the cast, she could cause that damage

I was because there is an area where the electrical sockets look at you- it's Queen's basement.

the same type of area you visit after the ice maze in Mantle. The junk-data-dump.

[amber jolt]

TOBYYYY

[low surge]

Wonder if the 1225 gacha maze is anything to this either

[sour mesa]

"various other things" deltarune arg confirmed

well i guess we've already had that

Nevermind

[low surge]

I would absolutely not be surprised if there was more added to the Spamton sweepstakes or some other event/arg

[ripe harbor]

it got more added just before 3+4 release, already

I could see a couple more noelle blogposts

if you can add a

https://deltarune.com/rain/

you could add other stuff too prolly

ps - about my friend. She came over because I said I was going to play Cat Petters, but she thought that meant that I was just going to pet HER... umm, what kind of game would that even be... XD So I just made a cat named after her in the game and made it play metal music on the music box X) (I'll try not to corrupt that one XP) (I still had to pet her a little or she wouldn't go home XP)

like yuri(?)

mandatory arg yuri break NOW!

80% of the team dedicated to as much yuri production as possible. Infinite lesbian festival works.

though the newsletters probably work as enough of an arg foreshadowing pipeline for most of it

[manic parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UknYKTmB_bw

[clear frost]

welp. time to attempt to no hit the old man again

[clear frost]

The most frustrating part of it is the shell

[lusty cypress]

Shell?
HeLlO
GooDBye

[sage needle]

https://youtu.be/rh9zvDmYK-o
This is one of the most incredible shit posts I've ever seen

[rain lotus]

this guy does that and he does it like every day i'm kind of concerned

[white basalt]

they're doing vocaloid shit to hummer guy

[astral quiver]

mans wanted to post his original Black Knife lyrics and disguised it in a shitpost

[rain lotus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HNN2weVxwQ

[minor merlin]

the tires screeching as the sounds in the music is so peak

[sage needle]

I just love the middle portion where you forget it's a Family Guy ytp and then bam quagmire

[ripe harbor]

making an animation shitpost just to cut it up is crazy work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdxj0g7gua0

its fucked up that the normal clip sounds wrong to me after all the ytps

[ripe harbor]

killing people fans when they get hit with the Deals the FATAL damage to all enemies

[minor merlin]

Has anyone died in Deltarune

[ripe harbor]

Gerson Boom

Spamton on Weird Route. Berdly will it just hasn't taken.

uhhhh Dess*?

Gaster, uh, hmm, uhhhh 💻 🐒 🤔

And we've been sending wellness checks to Papyrus but Sans hasn't provided any signs of life yet

Jackenstein and Tenna might've also 'died'

[rain lotus]

... huuuh i don't think there is a confirmed kill

i never thought abt it that way

[sour mesa]

kris dies all the time we just bring 'em back

[rain lotus]

canon skill issues

[sour mesa]

(it's notable that deltarune doesn't do as many "the resets are canon" hints as undertale did, but i don't really have a thesis about that. just different highlights for different games i guess)

[ripe harbor]

Chapter 3's Knight-Fight is probably the most direct

I do think the resets, or more broadly saving, is probably going to be hugely relevant to the Gaster & Dark stuff coming up

its too... thematically weighted, imo

You don't call saves reflections, stress a developer point that its tied to the dark specifically, cover the Titan's face in a save point, and then double down on all sorts of echoes & repeated, mixed up versions of things without some point

I kind of see DR saving as more going-sideways than a reset

or maybe a re-framing instead of a reset? More of a theatre production changing scenery than winding the clock backwards.

There isn't one save file, one timeline, but instead of you got three per chapter. You can run them in parallel, or jump back-and-forth no prob.

feels a little more modular, like a series of picture frames each showing a different scene. Pretty much like the prophecy, imo.

[rain barn]

of course there's some point to it. it's a save point.

[restive comet]

My girlfriend made this

Can I share any answers with them?

[rain barn]

9 feels like the obvious answer (feel free to share this)

[restive comet]

It's with you between Asgore and Toriel, Asgore directly behind you

[rain barn]

I figure horizontal rows are more permeable than columns

[strange cloud]

Tenna and Jackenstein both have the possibility to die if you don’t recruit everyone

[ripe harbor]

10 seems alright. Asgore's chill, you got an aisle, susie's probably not gonna be a problem but might be fun, putrid polycule on the other side might be dramatic in a funny way but wouldn't get out of hand because Tasque Manager's right there to set them straight. starwalker.

pray that I'm far enough away from the DJ trio & Lancer that I can tune out the splat sfx and random jingles I know will play during this 10 hour flight

huh

weird of Rudy to sit next to Toriel instead of his wife || ||

[rain lotus]

i think 2 3 4 and 5 will j ust kill you

they find a blood stain where you sat

rouxls creates an exclusion zone in a 3x3 aoe

it's not fair you can't sit by starwalker though

[rain barn]

starwalker needs the window seat to glower at the birds

[low surge]

Babe wake up new fandom discourse just dropped

[timber widget]

Why is The Roaring Knight taking a plane

Where it goin lmao

[ripe harbor]

lost its trip ticket. otherwise it would be taking the train to nowhere. ||hemlocke springs reference||

[astral quiver]

2, then i will be the first one to know if the plane is gonna blow up

also, she has games on her phone

[timber widget]

https://youtu.be/pyRdvggAcFQ In case anyone hasn't heard peak

[ripe harbor]

peak & a . that's how it be.

Can't be released, can't be traded, can't be left, never hatches- is an 'egg'.

Missingno is close enough!

[low surge]

You ever think about how people say Carol was a bad mom to Dess but she still bought her 5 million of the same fuck ass custom made shoes for her chud daughter she loved

(@Knowing_Tyrant)

I like to believe Gaster highly respects Alphys

Or would if he didn’t fucking explode

All his followers gas him up but he’s sitting there taking notes while she is building Metaton and eating half boiled instant noodles blasting the Mew Mew soundtrack

[astral quiver]

has anyone considered that Gaster was into Mew Mew Kissy Cutie

who introduced the show to the other first

assuming Alphys knows Gaster in this scenario

[low surge]

I feel like Alphys introduced him and he got hooked

I like to think they worked together before Gaster got blasted

[minor merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[astral quiver]

id like to think he put in a good word for her for Asgore before he got Darker yet Darker

[rain lotus]

we enter gaster's mind palace or something and it's just full of mew mew kissy cutie

[astral quiver]

"oh my god
you werent supposed to see this
oh my god"

[rain lotus]

12 years of mysterious aura and its the first big new thing we get to learn

[low surge]

Toby would pull some shit like this lol

[rain lotus]

they draw kris as vaguely greg heffleyish

i respect that

[low surge]

I love how homerfan draws

[sharp lodge]

i think the only things i disagree with here is the bit about specal ACTs and new spells

[sour mesa]

I would be very surprised if fusion and dojo didn't get an update in chapter 5

(keeping in mind that the original planned chunk was 3-4-5)

[rain lotus]

my favorite chapter parity thing is field of hopes and dreams is still the only thing that got the song title drop popup

but i also think this is all pretty reflective of the g ame having been in development for at least seven years

with stretches of time between chapters

i wouldn't be shocked if there's a parity pass at some point

[ruby garnet]

https://bskye.app/profile/atlaslovesedm8704.bsky.social/post/3mhei35misc2y

[ripe harbor]

I think one of the funnier meta-jokes in either game is DR-Alphys starting with Mew Mew Kissy Cutie 2, & liking it much more than the first

because it's a real story, with darker and more mature themes.

not like the baby one that came first

Teens and older should check out this dark masterpiece!

so yeah totally. MMKC2 is equated to Deltarune for this joke: Gaster was in the fandom trenches. He was writing fix-it fics with his OC mew mew blorbos or whatever.

[minor merlin]

do you think gaster wrote femslash fanfic

was he a himedanshi

[ripe harbor]

another_himedanshi....

[ripe harbor]

he did literally write "LOVE FINDS ITS WAY TO THE GIRL"

[lusty cypress]

Magnesium based lifeform

song parody, chapter 3 spoilers
||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh9zvDmYK-o||

[minor merlin]

Gaster carried the Mew Mew Kissy Cutie fandom on his back and spent all his time writing yuri fanfiction of it confirmed

honestly gaster not as this ominous-ass puppetmaster but instead as a himedanshi with encyclopedic knowledge of a specific magical girl anime who writes fanfiction is peak

[minor merlin]

...wait, since Mad Mew Mew is a MMKC doll...

and looks very much like a magical girl...

and MMKC2 is darker and has more mature themes...

........

Is Mew Mew Kissie Cuties 2 Madoka Magica?

[ripe harbor]

imagining increasing angry character discourse written in his speaking style

[minor merlin]

IS MEW MEW KISSIE CUTIES 2 JUST MADOKA MAGICA IN UTDR?

[ripe harbor]

MEW MEW
WOULD NOT SAY THAT
IT IS OUT OF CHARACTER
IT SEEMS YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN
THE SOURCE

[minor merlin]

🔥 ✍️

[minor merlin]

Madoka fan Gaster... it's peak... Toby Fox's vision is immaculate....

[ripe harbor]

well now it's gotta have yuri fics, right?

thats like 70% of Madoka output I've ever seen

[minor merlin]

yeah

[lusty cypress]

Drosselmeyer Gaster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLFHYjCmLp0

[low surge]

Mods pin this

[minor merlin]

Gaster the typa mf to genuinely cite episodes and timestamps during a fandom argument I think

[lusty cypress]

Gaster would genuinely accepted AUs and reinterpretations, but knows most people operate under the assumption of canon and will not let them represent it wrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UH4L_FPiiw

[minor merlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q43EesgMHcE

[manic parrot]

the high effort music-based shitposts are the most important part of underdelta

it's what toby would want

[rain lotus]

gaster typing a hit tweet:
BUT YOU ARE NOT READY FOR THAT C O N V E R S A T I O N

https://tenor.com/view/wing-gaster-chara-gif-460255226754081608

[minor merlin]

this is why gaster did all that in the horror fangame

[ripe harbor]

HOW MUCH LONGER, NOW?
YOUR 'MEDIA LITERACY'

[minor merlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnipzZ3Lx3g

[amber jolt]

By Robablo on Twitter
HAPPY STEEL BALL RUN

[ripe harbor]

the children yearn for Doc Scratch

[ripe harbor]

pretty fitting poem for the parts of DR related to who gets unpersoned, and the way it can easier to move on and not think too hard about those tragedies until they happen to you

"And he stepped down, and laid his hand
On a man who came from another land."
"And we breathed again, for another’s grief
At the Hangman’s hand was our relief."

[ripe harbor]

Oh yeah, not sure I ever brought it up here-
years on from Chapter 2 & slowly, over a while, I've been coming around to [[Hyperlink Blocked]] as being a substitute for 'Fun'.
(If it's supposed to be a single, specific word getting substituted each time.)

weirdly fitting

every shadow crystal boss besides C2's brings it up, it actually does match every instance(?) you could swap it in for (Can make fun, want to have fun, soak it in, subscribe for it, etc),

already tied to weird Gaster 666 mysteries, and could be set up as a Proper Noun like 'LOVE', through the Fun value stuff-

weirdly fitting. Works enough that it's up there as an option, imo.

[ripe harbor]

or even the name of 'The Fun Gang', lmao. Probably should lead with that over Fun Value.

really, it was more taking 'Fun' more seriously as an actual term being used for some more specific concept in the game given all it's mentions and then offhandedly plugging it in and going. hmm.

[clear frost]

what's up with this? why all the eyes?

[rain lotus]

eyes are a theme

as for what it means iunno

blade runner had a lot of eyes theming

without like predicting anything it's a good visual motif when you're talking about experiencing things

[astral quiver]

it seems to be a theme for darkness

like the living darkness

[minor merlin]

why is it spelled GLACEIR

[astral quiver]

wait what.

oh my god

like... heir?

or did Toby Fox genuinely missspell it who knows

[rain lotus]

`The typo in the track's title alludes to one of Noelle Holiday's blog posts that became available during the Spamton Sweepstakes. The URL is deltarune.com/icepalace_glaceir/.

Additionally, one of the listed songs she is listening to is "Dragon Blazers - Glaceir." This is possibly a reference to the Glaceir area from Brandish 3, which has the same misspelling in its name.`

makes me think of the swoon thing

[astral quiver]

oh neat

[rain lotus]

lots of allusions to old rpgs and i dunno what to make of it

it's a mind trap that makes you wonder, for example, is the fact that the party is on the left, while it's usually on the right in these games i.e. the kinds being referenced anything

[astral quiver]

it means that old school zelda

[manic parrot]

i have zero evidence for this but my theory is that the party-on-the-right precedent in jrpgs is because japanese is read right to left

[rain lotus]

which style japanese

you got vertical japanese and horizontal japanese iirc

vertical is right to left

horizontal is left to right though

and your games are in horizontal for obvious reasons

[manic parrot]

tru

[sour mesa]

Brandish is drawn on a bunch so this checks out

[rain lotus]

wait yeah that's the series kris' getup seems pulled from

[low surge]

(@MANGLESTAR_)

[minor merlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4je0LlhDSnQ

is this real

[ripe harbor]

yeah I think its about perception here

maybe The Other, too

like metaphorically, people are 'seen' by others & that determines their place in the world (Susie is 'the mean girl', 'the bully', etc. to the rest of the class)

and the Dark just makes that literal. With literal eyes everywhere that 'define' the shape of things(? maybe? speculative?)

its a strong way to imply identity or mind. Humans associate an eye darting around with an internal world more than like, random noses sniffing would.

something with an eye is something that can see, that can be an entity instead of a thing. Fits the Dark.

That the Titans have them (So the fountains are made of them?), and that they're all crying / cut up, those are the 👀 bits to me.

Is that a cut on your face, or part of your eye?
The gash weaves down as if you cry.
(Why does the angel make its cry?)
The pain itself is reason why.

Are fountains made of pain? Is the way a fountain gives form to Dark Worlds by 'seeing' them- is that why

all fountain openings involve a bunch of stars->opening-eyes?

Stab the ground, make a cut, wake up some eyes (crying, now (you did cut them)), get a Dark World?

What's a really loud cry but A Roaring?

Is it water, is it sound? Cries are made of both.

[rain barn]

it feels like it means Something that creating a dark fountain first involves blinding light before going darker than dark

it does take a Lightner to make one

like a camera flash, and then a photo developing

[ripe harbor]

(so are Waves... )

[ripe harbor]

yeah I've thought about this too

with the red eye?

its a picture

[rain barn]

a snapshot of the mind

[ripe harbor]

an image that presses into the glass strongly enough to stick around

what was 'determined' to be there, when you took it. Making memories.

it feels right, or right enough

just uhhhh

https://youtu.be/_MoLUHTm9N8?si=p0I_bcYg6_G4iyDj&t=218

maybe be careful about taking too many in a short time frame, or overlapping on top of each other

the waves are gentle, but made of nothing, and its easy to provoke that 'undefined' nothing into covering everything else

[rain barn]

adding to the sound elements: both the first and second sanctuarys have semi-diegetic music

at the very least, they're introduced that way

the first sanctuary has the mizzles singing and the second sanctuary has this elaborate sequence

[ripe harbor]

also these things

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffraction_spike

[rain barn]

the second sanctuary practically takes shape in front of you in that sequence

oh, and where do you develop photos

a dark room

[ripe harbor]

you get them due to some slight errors in light reflection, based on how the light bounces around

(or if you're cool (have an astigmatism) you can see them all the time 😎)

[rain barn]

I love when bad puns figure into analysis

[ripe harbor]

its crazy how well it works with UTDR specifically

[rain barn]

so much of it is "oh, of course it's named/like that" but it's so earnest about it

[ripe harbor]

It's never been outright said in the game, but I still smile at like
Tenna and Spamton, right. The TV is down bad for advertisements.

I hope that is unironically part of it as a writing decision. it's funny.

yeah of course. The TV loves ads.

[rain barn]

when I went back and watched a playthrough I was taken aback by how carefully everything is put together

not a single bit of the game feels like it's just there for no reason

[ripe harbor]

(adding to this, these are ripples. The OST when you fight the Evil-Statue-Gerson? Ripple.)

[rain barn]

https://youtu.be/q9RvMGINYHY?t=69814 I had to rewatch this sequence because wow

[ripe harbor]

wave propagation, wave interference. The visual effect the Roaring Knight has, with the overlapping ghosts? Same thing!

and you get it on (older) televisions, when the signal is mismatched or reflecting!

[rain barn]

and the darker rooms are also the quieter rooms

[ripe harbor]

The sfx the game uses for oceans and lakes? The same one it uses for its static.

[restive comet]

Kinda had a crackpot theory pop into my head just now if anyone wants to hear it

[rain barn]

please do share

we're all mad here

[ripe harbor]

the way composite video systems split the luminance of an image, and its chromacity, into separate chunks before re-adding them. Naturally reproducing the image in monochrome first, before putting it back together.

[ripe harbor]

ya go ahead

[restive comet]

I theorize that Lancer might be a reflection of how The Knight (Dess) views Kris and that his entire arc in Ch1 is a mirror of what Kris's arc might be like throughout the rest of the game

Specifically that Kris was a cute lil goober that looks up to her a lot, similarly to how Lancer looks up to Susie so much

[rain barn]

seeing how directly shaped dark worlds are by their creators through tv world and the second sanctuary

it does put the knight into a certain light with how whimsical their dark worlds are by comparison

[ripe harbor]

hmm...

there's something there for sure

[restive comet]

Yea

[ripe harbor]

doesn't want to do bad things, pressured by an adult figure

defects because of Susie's undeniable aura & charm

does pranks

[restive comet]

Also the fact that Lancer tries really hard to play the role of the bad guy and is too much of a goober to actually do so effectively

[ripe harbor]

King threatens to hurt him, but wouldn't actually... right?

It just had to look real...?

[restive comet]

And thus looks up to Susie in order to teach him how to play as a better villain

[rain barn]

and we don't really know if king is making that up to cover his ass later or not

[restive comet]

Also there's the manner in which the betrayal at Card Castle plays out too, specifically how Lancer reveals his true intentions, but feels too guilty to follow through with his dad's orders and tries to compromise by locking Susie away, "somewhere safe"

Which pisses her off enough to almost murder him before sparing him at the last second and working things out after she understands that he had no choice and that they'll both try something different in the hopes of finding a better way to settle things once and for all

So basically this implies that Ch1 of Deltarune is essentially like Cookie Cat from Steven Universe

[ripe harbor]

Lancer's also the one who opens / closes the 'springs' in chapter 3

[rain barn]

a microcosm of the themes of the whole story? (I am unfamiliar with steven universe)

[ripe harbor]

I think this about the legend of tenna sometimes too, lowkey

[restive comet]

Pretty much

[ripe harbor]

yeah, an in-universe little jingle for a fictional character (Cookie Cat) who also pretty much matches the backstory of Steven's magic-mom

given in the pilot

[ripe harbor]

MY LIFE IS LOST AT SEA, WITH THE RAIN, LIKE TEARS,
AS SALTY AS THE OCEAN...```
```WITHOUT THE RAIN OF LOVE TO NOURISH ME...
MY LIFE IS LOST AT SEA, BURNING IN THE HOT SUN.
OH, WOE... NO SPF CAN SAVE ME FROM MYSELF...```
ohhhh of course. You need the water/rain and the sun/light to actually make it through the waves.

[restive comet]

I think it's to say that Dess if she is The Knight fully expects Kris to betray her, but to do the right thing by doing so

[ripe harbor]

of course. You need both together, sharing a connection, and thats how you get all the color to appear.

otherwise it would all just be Ocean. Forever.

[restive comet]

Because deep down, Kris is her good little goober friend

[rain barn]

expecting a visual like this with the Knight at some point

[ripe harbor]

they don't call it Hopes or Dreams

[ripe harbor]

would go hard

already the fountain in the bg of their fight shifts colors more intensely as the fight goes on

[restive comet]

Kinda reminds me of the parallels people brought up between her and the pokemon Necrozma

[ripe harbor]

I think of UT Waterfall as a proto-DR sometimes

I like the whole area a lot more after DR takes the same ideas and language and goes further with them

[rain barn]

waterfall is definitely the area that I vibed with the most

we put a katabasis inside your katabasis

[ripe harbor]

makes it feel like one long investigation of an idea

[ripe harbor]

stars-but-actually-crystals on the sky, fields of sound that echo into meaninglessness

a garbage dump, flowing water. Sometimes an extra man you can meet in a room that's only there a few times.

[rain barn]

we're cooked if the knight can do this

[ripe harbor]

A turtle who tells you about the prophecy. A cut bug-hunting room, where you can-

[restive comet]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-meme-ultra-sun-ultra-moon-z-move-light-that-burns-the-sky-gif-5321732231793010851

[rain barn]

in seriousness I am expecting some sort of horrible light monster in deltarune's endgame

the titan already kind of is