found a google doc with the current documented responses
#Undertale and Deltarune
sharp lodge
ripe harbor
||the 'Thank You' scene originally seemed a reference to Chapter 4's weird route||
so yeah, I'd believe it
analog burrow
Yeah, the leading assumption has been this has to do with Noelle, given to context added to “thank you” and the red dot page since chapter 4
strange cloud
Gaster’s got jokes
ripe harbor
well, assuming this strangely sassy, loves-asking-questions, unidentified speaker in a black void is Gaster. And not anyone else.
analog burrow
Though going off other people’s results, 11 hours (not just “11”) is one of the “before the sun set” answers
minor merlin
well, assuming this strangely sassy, loves-asking-questions, unidentified speake...
Maybe it's sans
analog burrow
Or maybe John Your Choices Don’t Matter
ripe harbor
I got curious & the shadow mantle speaker asks five questions right before its fight
not counting the 1-2 from the previous encounter
and the secret 'having fun?'
it loves queries
analog burrow
Big fan of sowing the seeds of doubt it would seem
ripe harbor
yeah I guess it just likes the uncertainty
or maybe just considering different points of view
rephasing things, going off the usual paths
I mean for half of these its basically echoing back what you said in different words
so
ripe harbor
Or maybe John Your Choices Don’t Matter
yeah Mx. Eram "Mirror" Nightmare 「THE REFLECTION」would work
sharp lodge
i wonder what the proceed stuff is for, is there gonna be more emails?
ripe harbor
the rest of Deltarune is released in an experimental email CYOA format
analog burrow
i wonder what the proceed stuff is for, is there gonna be more emails?
Watching intently
timber widget
low surge
If I fumbled the femboy emo goat you’d see me on the Hometown Channel 8 5 o’clock news
ripe harbor
batty
rain lotus
ripe harbor
oh yeah I guess its worth noting that pluey's name is based on the french word for rain isn't it
and the computer minigame being about 'bringing chosen ones to the ARK' or whatever
I could've sworn one of the filenames for the pluey minigame straight up is called 'mikeshelter' or something, but I can't find it rn
strange cloud
Deltarune fans are obsessed with parallel slop
ripe harbor
Deltarune fan (Gaster) is obsessed (all he talks about) with parallel (loves Mirrors) slop (wants to do tricks on it (The Soul)).
strange cloud
ripe harbor
I can't deny it. I'm over here going,
“Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them nor serve them”
"hmm, seems like it could be inspiration for Deltarune..."
like a Graven Image, like an 'Image' turned into a statue? is this anything
ripe harbor
uhhhhhhhh 🐒 Image is also a term in computing, for a replica of the contents of a storage device (or a snapshot of a executable)? So thats the common thread between Imagination, DEVICE / Code, Mirrors & Optics & Photography, and Da Bible? 
It's all something something 'Images'? 
idk maybe
strange cloud
I’m not good at this more esoteric stuff tbh
ripe harbor
can't really lock any part down as super meaningful without the payoffs, tbh
thats the real gas for any reads, imo. Why it matters.
strange cloud
Yah
ripe harbor
mostly it just gives you a good foundation for when more stuff comes out
like all the 'Dark = Water' connections people were making prior to chapters 3&4
having that in mind lets you read the Ominous Text about floods & rain & the ocean as it was (probably) intended
ripe harbor
I’m not good at this more esoteric stuff tbh
born to do Character Analysis, forced to read the Book of Genesis / 'Data Storage Terms 4 Dummies' 
though tbf the game is pretty upfront with its character writing. You don't need to keep notes they'll just Say It.
I assume most of this stuff is ultimately going to dovetail into some point about becoming yourself, or choosing who you want to be in the world or something
approaching the individual struggles with Identity with some magical-reality-perception aesthetics
though I'm gonna be real: I still don't feel confident on Deltarune being a happy ending or a tragedy. It could actually go either way for me.
I make NO predictions there besides "It'll probably be at least a little happy, and a little sad"
low surge
@Anthonylegua1
ripe harbor
oh shop_3 is kris_piano_shop. Neat.
I feel happy with my "It kinda sounds like Lantern but its not?" take
I never really noticed the similarities between Lantern & The Circus (& Dialtone) before listening to piano_shop
timber widget
manic parrot
(@scrimblor1) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G83p9_mW4AAc4n1.png:large
restive comet
timber widget
sour mesa
low surge
Can you believe it guys? Krismas today!
analog burrow
Holy shit 1225 real
low surge
I love when fan art shows how lovey dovey Toriel and Asgore were before the divorce, makes that shit hit like a coupe through a children’s picnic
scarlet wadi
sharp lodge
minor merlin
From @cherriinie
ripe harbor
I'm glad Togore stuck around
He's the best fake character of the gaggle except Gaster I guess
canon
restive comet
https://old.rxddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1pwk0y0/a_very_late_togoretastic_chr...
This feels more like something Kris would do
rain lotus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_SAN2pOs_w
fucked up and evil grinch's ultimatum + lost girl guitar remix cover
most diabolical thing i've heard all year
ripe harbor
its so good
ruby garnet
From Apekweit on Twitter.com.
ripe harbor
oh deer
manic parrot
using Squirrel Girl as a base and therefore making her Exxtra Thicc certainly is A Choice
ripe harbor
She is in cross-country
ruby garnet
It just seems fitting.
low surge
Possible psychosis induced by listening to things too close, but does anyone else notice Your Best Nightmare motif showing up during more of the disturbing/despair tracks/moments
ripe harbor
idk I've never heard it so much, but I've been told by people its sorta there (in the bass?)
I wouldn't be surprised, The True Lab is absolutely full of stuff that seemed to get revisted in DR thematically, Flowey is a big part of the True Lab
It would not be too out of left field for the :) character that follows you all game in secret
with the -> "I wonder... what happens when something without a SOUL gains the will to live?"
to also be a sort-of parallel
didn't even need to be an intentional set up, its just ideas both works engage with
ripe harbor
Possible psychosis induced by listening to things too close, but does anyone els...
(but when the latter stuff was getting written, you could tie it in like this if you wanted)
white basalt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJDErFUgIbc i like that this one weaves between musicality and nonmusicality (cw pretty glitchy, turn down volume if you're sensitive to that)
rain lotus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJDErFUgIbc i like that this one weaves between ...
the soundtrack when you're running in and out of an egg room:
timber widget
sour mesa
lol
lusty cypress
timber widget
"[Baker's Arms]", just normal repeat dialogue, being placed a tier lower than K Round being beatable
What do you mean
rain lotus
how is the ralsei dance glitch thing that low too
i haven't heard of anything else in that tier
ripe harbor
I know too many of these lower ones I'm cooked
"Roulxs Kard voice"
the classic
Spamton Element is Cat
when you know itsCopy / Catbut you just can't prove it
ripe harbor
i haven't heard of anything else in that tier
a lot of the lower tier pulls directly from HalfBreadChaos' videos lol. I wouldn't have known about the Ralsei thing without them.
They also covered Echidna, Lone Wolves Dialogue, Everybody Weapon, Smorgasbord 2, Spamton Cat Element, Save Warp Glitch(? I think?),
maybe even some of the others
low surge
clear frost
man got disproven once before
low surge
I do kinda agree with this though, there’s really not any object I feel is a perfect fit for Ralsei
Not sure if I agree on the goner bit
But it’s obvious Ralsei doesn’t really operate on the same rules as other Darkners
rain lotus
he's ashriel ofc
crystal shale
Kris's Knife is the only item I can think of
since they carry it around everywhere
inland hare
I think Ralsei might be the holy text of the faith
Would explain why he’s able to show up in each of the locations so far
glacial ibex
https://youtu.be/2ueqi6VyLQo
deltarune spoilers in general
rain lotus
oh that's what its referencing
i thought it was just like
collective delirium
arkham asylum
crimson badger
aslume
ripe harbor
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YcKCDp3EGyc&
havent watched it yet but prob true
ripe harbor
But it’s obvious Ralsei doesn’t really operate on the same rules as other Darkne...
him moving throughout Dark Worlds on his own is the big one, I think
harder to explain away if he's 'just' an object than the belonging-everywhere thing
analog burrow
can’t believe chapter 5 is literally tomorrow
ripe harbor
can’t believe chapter 5 is literally tomorrow
velvet olive
this is what happened to gaster
low surge
sour mesa
rose swallow
so who's excited for the next chapter tomorrow?
restive comet
Wait, what?
velvet olive
deltarune in THREE MOTHERFUCKING SECONDS
minor merlin
Deltarune 5 minutes ago
low surge
DELTARUNE NOW
ripe harbor
low surge
Still forever malding that I’m a fakecel chapter 2 chud
Missed the real survey program
I’m so fake
ripe harbor
clear frost
i find it interesting that every part of the good doctor places a space between delta and rune
amber jolt
👀 where's this from?
low surge
It was from the Valentine’s Day newsletter. Everyone got some randomized ones, but one single person got this
amber jolt
of course tony would make the most cryptic deltarune card only be given to a single person
rain lotus
imagine your ARG gets sent to a burner email no one has looked at since 2023
spice raven
imagine your ARG gets sent to a burner email no one has looked at since 2023
For all we know there were other unique messages that did exactly this
strange cloud
Missed the real survey program
couldn’t be me personally…
serene loom
ripe harbor
of course tony would make the most cryptic deltarune card only be given to a sin...
ya heres the full one
something about the way the forgotten man speaks just sticks in my head
"Every day is a day of love,
if only you believe it so.
Do you believe it so?
..."
honestly the most interesting part nowadays is probably the way he's unsure about the ordering of things, or about putting on your '''face''', or about the lack of order at all - A Chaos. Just fits his whole 'mixed up' gimmick.
clear frost
https://bsky.app/profile/yelloburrito.bsky.social/post/3mbeha5egd22s
i love how everyone's animated
Kris is unmoving
Susie is tweened and ytp'd
Ralsei is adorable
and i'm half convinced tenna is a combo of 2d on the screen and live action
ripe harbor
something about the way the forgotten man speaks just sticks in my head
"The time is going around" is a pretty weird way to talk about it passing, but it's also almost-not-quite the same as saying The World kept on spinning. Revolving, even.
I guess after chapter 3-4, the person he wants to help here is probably Kris?
or 'Himself'?
I also like that in this letter & in his Egg Room dialogue he just asks a bunch of questions
sharp lodge
serene loom
"like an off-brand missile" lmao
(Missile is the dog in Ghost Trick, named and based on Shu Takumi's dog. Gumshoe's Shiba in Ace Attorney is also named for him.)
analog burrow
GHOST TRICK MENTIONED
low surge
https://bsky.app/profile/tobyfox.undertale.com/post/3mbfmsozmy22g
Annoying Dog weapon???
Also
Tori goes hyper mode, Carol annoyed
Dreemur-Holiday allegations literally never being beat can the stop all being gay for each other for a second?
serene loom
i think the meaning there is more "Toriel is cheering too enthusiastically"
you know shes one of those moms
low surge
Most likely however I examine all of Toby Fox’s work through the lens of how homosexual it is and if it aligns with my entirely arbitrary headcanon
analog burrow
low surge
Toriel is the type to drink a little Hennessy and start jumping on tables (and immediately breaking them because she’s a boss monster)
analog burrow
I mean that’s basically the key lime pie incident
low surge
Asgore can handle his liquor way better but he’s a sappy drunk so if he hits that limit get ready to have a 7 foot 600 lb goat man leaning on your shoulder cry singing to old country songs about the day all the horses died
(Rudy is the only one that can get him to calm down)
amber jolt
SHADOW CRYSTALS ARE MADE OF WHAT?
low surge
strange cloud
my friend is playing chapter 1 for the first time
sour mesa
they turned William into the shadow crystals
ripe harbor
Billy "GOAT" Dreemurr...
I'm still thinking of the Shadow Crystals as a sort of crystallized vision(?)
ripe harbor
like seeing the world you want, and wanting it hard enough that that solidifies?
low surge
What does it say about Kris that they keep seeing bad shit in theirs?
ripe harbor
"What If..?" made solid, letting you seeing ways things could be
ripe harbor
What does it say about Kris that they keep seeing bad shit in theirs?
doomed 💀
low surge
Drue drue
ripe harbor
like seeing the world you *want*, and wanting it hard enough that that solidifie...
but its also still not clear where they come from
"Certain power" is the same sort of phrasing Save Points use, sometimes
I wonder if there's a pun here too
sour mesa
oh lol
ripe harbor
Instead of Certain Power like 'a specific type of power' its certain power like
'power related to certainty'?
sour mesa
certainty/determination yeah
low surge
Getting real sick of Tonys Tricks
ripe harbor
I could also see the Shadow Crystals as being like crystalized life?
low surge
Toby Fox scouring the English lexicon to find the exact words that are just ambiguous enough to drive readers fucking insane
ripe harbor
Toby Fox scouring the English lexicon to find the exact words that are just ambi...
He can do it with just a single letter...
rain barn
Toby Fox scouring the English lexicon to find the exact words that are just ambi...
I wonder what torment the translators for Deltarune go through
low surge
At least in terms of Japanese, Toby probably knows enough to make specific work choices
inland hare
Yeah that makes sense to me
low surge
Also can I just say how insane of a thing that is to tease in a random new years post?
rain barn
makes me feel like it's some sort of misdirection to casually drop that
ripe harbor
He really went "The secret ingredient to the Krabby Patty Formula is...!"
it cuts out just before the actual important part yeah lol
its not quite "will"
which doesn't tell you all that much
low surge
I feel like Determination is both too obvious and also makes so much sense
ripe harbor
"Certain Lightner" not as 'a specific one Mettaton` but
Lightner with a lot of Certainty
sour mesa
I'm definitely thinking Determination yeah
ripe harbor
I mean they were always sort of
inland hare
Lightener defined by Certainty
ripe harbor
Hopes & Dreamy
low surge
It would be more helpful if we knew anything more about the other crystals
ripe harbor
Swatch says the NEO body was made by a Lightner 'pouring their very hopes into it' or whatever
low surge
Spamtons is really the only one there’s a potential background to
inland hare
Certainty would be what darkeners lack yeah
ripe harbor
theres that Dream item in UT with the
inland hare
Because their existence depends on uncertainty
ripe harbor
"The goal of Determination"
low surge
As far as I remember I don’t recall any of the others being given an origin point
ripe harbor
& the "Through the power of DETERMINATION, the Dream became Real"
which...
I mean thats the Dark
inland hare
But paradoxically determination is required to bring them into existence
Determination is the power of choice
To pick from a range of options and declare that this is what it is
ripe harbor
As far as I remember I don’t recall any of the others being given an origin poin...
yeah Jevil just had his, you get one (along with? off of?) the Black Shard, and the Old Man found it in his desk
inland hare
Which I guess makes sense with darkeners
Determination is what’s required to declare that an indistinct shape in the dark is a Prince
ripe harbor
theres the book about the 'bitter waters of the fallen star' leading to something that looks like glass growing, which could be about Shadow Crystals & their origin, but also is very poetic
low surge
It’s so odd that specifically Spamtons we get to know where it came from, but who could the other crystals be connected to? Can’t really be anything more than conjecture
timber widget
https://youtu.be/02uosDSApy0 Couple of the OPs' replies in this one
low surge
theres the book about the 'bitter waters of the fallen star' leading to somethin...
My crackpot theory is still the star is Dess and the glass is either the Knight itself or the Black Shard
ripe harbor
It’s so odd that specifically Spamtons we get to know where it came from, but wh...
Imo the most important part is that Seam's reaction to hearing the crystal was in the machine was that it must have therefore been important to someone
or at least its like an immediate association
low surge
Yeah
ripe harbor
someone was strongly connected to that, and it had a shadow crystal
low surge
The class room kind of makes sense, I could imagine someone having particularly strong emotional ties to it or something they did there
Especially with Gerson being such a beloved person in town, I imagine a lot of the younger residents have fond memories there
And the church is the church
Chapter 3 is weird because it seems like it specifically comes from the Knight/Shard instead of being connected in some way to an individual or a thing specific to the Dreemur house (imo)
ripe harbor
I think they might also have a tragic element to them
not currently important to someone
important to someone, long ago
low surge
Lost dreams and what not
ripe harbor
buried dreams
yeah
solid enough that they stuck around, even when they weren't thought about anymore
something fantasized or yearned for
low surge
A grown adult reminiscing on the fun of their childhood, an ideal body abandoned
ripe harbor
A girl wishing for her lost sister, maybe?
low surge
Hmmmm
I mean I can see it
We see the Holidays spent a lot of time at the Dreemur house, and all those associated memories
So I could see that working for chapter 3
inland hare
Have we ever seen the Knight and Noelle in the same room
ripe harbor
didn't find chapter 4s Jinglegrave route
low surge
Maybe it is Kris’? A yearning for the lost past. Kris seems to greatly desire a return to that life, but has had to abandon it
I mean Noelle hasn’t really let go of her past, she’s still super controlled by it
Keeps searching for Dess
Maybe Kris abandoned any hope of going back long ago
ripe harbor
Its probably got some relation to the Black Glass that makes up the Knight('s Armor?) and its Knife
idk what that is though
ones clear, the other is opaque
something you can use as a lens, something that occludes all sight
Ironically the Shadow Crystals also make the world uncertain
low surge
Maybe opposites then? Something borne out of loathing as opposed to something borne out of (lost) hope and desire?
What fucks me up is why the crystallized hope and desire shows a bad universe, unless Kris really wants everyone to be cold and distant so they can fade away easier and hurt less people that way?
But doesn’t the chapter 4 crystal show you whispering to Noelle?
Even when seeking oblivion they still Yearn
Allegations unbeaten
ripe harbor
idk if it shows them what they want
maybe what they fear could be true?
or both fears and desires?
like if we're looking at it as Determination = the ability to Choose from a set of options, the Shadow Crystals are what is showing you those options
Susie could be your friend, or dislike you. This Cyber World could be a Computer Lab.
Tenna was swooned by the knight, or a Television set was smashed to pieces.
The Text of the Prophecy never changes
low surge
If shadow crystals are Determination, what’s the opposite of that? Just thinking back to the opposites idea for Crystal v Shard
inland hare
Anyways I know only one thing fo be true deep in the depths of my heart
That something horrible will happen to sans
inland hare
This shall be an unerring truth ordained by destiny
ripe harbor
If shadow crystals are Determination, what’s the opposite of that? Just thinking...
in the game's language, probably a lack of agency?
Moving with intent, to where you want to go, versus being moved / not being able to see beyond one set path
'Being Determined' I guess. Having it be determined for you.
ripe harbor
or maybe the emotional state that leads you to that
hopelessness?
There isn't any other way it will turn out- that it could turn out
low surge
Since she seems to have had a lot of choice? At least her room shows she did everything to break the mold
ripe harbor
Nothing you do can matter, and nothing you do will change what awaits. There isn't anything to be done about it.
low surge
I am a subscriber to Loser Dess, but lack of control isn’t really seemingly her thing
ripe harbor
low surge
Hopelessness could work maybe
ripe harbor
I am a subscriber to Loser Dess, but lack of control isn’t really seemingly her ...
she does have the overbearing Mom
all the main characters have their main issues and struggles be with Identity, imo
low surge
True, but Carol seems to have ultimately let her get her way
ripe harbor
so I think Dess will probably have something in that ballpark. What makes her 'her'?
true
low surge
Seeing how diametrically her room clashes with the rest of the house
I can see her for sure having identity issues
Just I don’t think she had any lack of control in that sense
Maybe in a broader way, believing her life was aimless
Azzy gets into college and she stays here to rot
But this also happened a while ago so 🤔
ripe harbor
For every lack of control from outside sources in DR though, theres also the lack of control over the self
like a lot of the Darkners weren't physically set into their roles by a Lightner, they just "are what they are" or whatever
Nature & Purpose & all that
people making decisions partially because of outside influence, and partially because they are the type of person to make those decisions
like Susie in Chapter 1 seems to have taken it for granted that she was a bully
She accepted that as her ''Nature'', and let it define how she interacted with the world
imo that's sort of the opposite of Determination
low surge
When you have a bat, everything looks like a ball…
ripe harbor
maybe Dess had something similar, where she either didn't feel like she knew who she was, or clashed against peoples perception of her? What roles they wanted her to fill?
low surge
Dess believing she’s a fundamentally bad person?
ripe harbor
She accepted that as her ''Nature'', and let it define how she interacted with t...
and ofc this is also a big split between Darkners and Lightners (||probably?||)
Being able to self-define
low surge
That no matter what choices she makes, she is in some way wrong. That would kind of tie some ideas together. Nature, lack of agency, predetermination
Not that I think that’s actually 100% what it is
But it makes sense
ripe harbor
yeah idk either
I don't want to go too hard into Determination at least partially because it is a UT word
wouldn't want to overlook what its place in the narrative is by just slotting it neatly into "Its the Same Thing as UT"
ripe harbor
That no matter what choices she makes, she is in some way wrong. That would kind...
it Wasn't Her Place to be playing. Its not what she 'should' be doing.
It'd be Wrong.
low surge
The Susie-Dess parallels deepen
ripe harbor
and now the Roaring Knight literally doesn't have definition. Its kinda shapeless
it lost its sense of self
only the silhouette remains. Only the bat.
maybe its kinda like, the certain things & the things that can be changed aren't opposites so much as in conversation?
The Knight might have an eye, and it might have a mouth, and the detail is unimportant(?) enough that it can shift, but it definitely has horns.
It might look like a bat, and it might look like a sword, but they definitely have something & can swing it at you, lol
finding what can be changed highlights what can't be? Applying that to the Prophecy as a whole?
Having some set details allows the other stuff to be in flux, instead of being pure random chaos?
^ just typing shit
I guess to bring it back to the Shadow Crystals, they literally are in that space for the story
They might be a part of the heroes journeys, or not, but maybe the fact that theres a set story at all gives them some power. That they have to be by-nature missable.
rose swallow
you know
after chapter 2, everyone assumed the confrontation with the Knight would be at the end of the game, but then it happened in the very next chapter
what if we meet gaster in chapter 5
and then things just proceed as normal
restive comet
GHOST TRICK MENTIONED
Now I'm just thinking if in Ch5's Light World section, we might get our soul separated from Kris again and have to do some elaborate shenanigans like in that game
ripe harbor
what if we meet gaster in chapter 5
Forgotten Man = Gaster believers already think this happened tbf
lol
inland hare
What if we meet papyrus in chapter five and he turns out to be our long lost father
crystal shale
I presume It was brought up already but whats the deal with Toby Fox and the Shadow Crystals?
Are they like, crystallized determination
sour mesa
the exact tease he posted was
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1133194452022866032/1456470430620848230/image.png?ex=6959240a&is=6957d28a&hm=b808541ff2bf508cbf088ce37674e38e8cc865dc8b9c5d545cc322866570284b&
I think it strongly suggests the next line is "Determination" but it's not 100% confirmed
ripe harbor
could even be a double pun
if its like, what determines fate
what will occur, right?
the power of "will", to take something indefinite & indistinct, and carve something specific out of it
🤔
timber widget
We do know one of them was made when a lightner infused their will into a digital illustration, splashing color from the motion of [his] hand
One forged from the memory of a loved one would make sense too
No clue about the card though, and the Black Knife is a standing issue altogether
strange cloud
low surge
Being Friends (Berdly)
ripe harbor
No clue about the card though, and the Black Knife is a standing issue altogethe...
hmm, you & Susie have to get pretty determined to ever get that far in the fight
its very much treated like something very unlikely. You have to force it.
rain lotus
the exact tease he posted was
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/11331944520...
the power isn't wil wright
the shadow crystals are actually green, too
Sims theory
ripe harbor
If shadow crystals are Determination, what’s the opposite of that? Just thinking...
Sort of morbid,
but De-Termination as "The Will to keep on living"
well
the opposite would be a desire to not be living anymore
Which doesn't not fit for Dess space in the story. Its the tragic loss of a teenager that hangs over her left-behind family, even to the present.
DR's parallel story of UT also isn't afraid to use suicidality, shows up with Alphys + Asgore + (implied?) with Chara
ripe harbor
Even when seeking oblivion they still Yearn
& maybe would also be something Dess & Kris have a bit in common?
imo, the thing about Dess I've always been most interested in was "Why her? What about December Holiday as a person led her to fall into the Dark?"
so I could see a sort of restlessness, or general dissatisfaction for her. Looking for something else than her life, maybe.
a desire to Not Keep Living (Like This) -> falling into The Fantasy / The Dream / The Unreal / The SCAIRY PLACE 😱
rain lotus
gotta say the utdr team don't know how much of a net good they are to the human psyche i think. i feel bad but then i think about the tv time theme and start giggling like an asshat
doot doo dwee doo dur dunn dundunnn
delicate cave
You might make someone's day if you emailed that to them
rain lotus
I did later I just forgot the site deltarune email goes to
amber jolt
inland hare
I think he’s the forgotten man
Mostly on the basis that he’s described as being forgettable in genocide route
manic parrot
he's a neet
ripe harbor
he's like an Cool Dude
ripe harbor
does anyone have any idea
We've got everything from "He's the mascot at the P'e'zza place" to "He's just a neet" to "He doesn't exist until sans gets sent to Undertale" to "He's a piece of Gaster"
who knows
ripe harbor
he's a neet
my favorite is this one + him being the beta design in DR
because its funny
probably less likely than the "he's normal" & the "its Gaster-Complicated" though, if just because it seems like it would piss people off
ripe harbor
sour mesa
low surge
(@ozlako)
manic parrot
clear frost
We’ve all got that one oomf who has the freedom motif
analog burrow
That one friend who never shuts up about how freedom is just a penumbra phantasm for big shots who think the world revolves around them
ripe harbor
keep talking like that & you might make a few more Friend's..,
ripe harbor
That one friend who never shuts up about how freedom is just a penumbra phantasm...
the worst part of this is that it actually might be exactly right, too.
Phantasm as "Something seen but having no physical reality, a specter, a ghost"
or where it shares a root word with fantasy - something that can be perceived but isn't there.
Penumbra as "the edge of a shaded area, where there is partial overlap"
so a Penumbra Phantasm could mean "a ghost-like entity that you can see only at the very edges, where things mix together between darkness and the light, but which possesses no reality."
& one of those might have talked about freedom to big shots who think the world revolves around them. or not.
you could also just describe every dark world as a Penumbra Phantasm lol
its fantasy, through shadow
ripe harbor
I like how its actually impossible to tell if the Catti demon summoning stuff is literal foreshadowing, indirect foreshadowing, or just a funny joke about goths
Schrodinger's Catti Plot Relevance
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Idle commute musing has me thinking about Swatch calling his shop a "gift shop slash cafe", and that the equipment sold therein is, or at least is supposed to be, just merch. Part of me wonders if the power of will, of a lightner wishing it so, makes this merch then have actual defensive properties. I then wonder if sufficiently strong will in such a direction is what makes shadow crystals
And the secret bosses are what happens when a darkner manages to "equip" one
(except Old Man, he's just goated)
ripe harbor
Its notable that in the one Dark World 'remix' in the game, Sanc -> 2nd Sanc -> 3rd Sanc, something that's an item in the first (Winglade) is a Darkner in the second onwards.
could all be different expressions of 'Will' power, maybe?
Darkners have their own will, items got some power (the power is dormant instead of agentic?), Shadow Crystals as something like a raw deposit of this stuff?
also just idle, I'm willing to just accept it all as magic & not think too hard like that lmao
low surge
@TheAkanemnon
crimson badger
Darkners have their own will, items got some power (the power is dormant instead...
Idle hipfire: could shadow crystals be the 'item' form of a titan?
or a spawn?
crystal shale
Given there may be 7 Crystals (going by the amount of chapters at least), and the fact they may contain determination, i wonder if theyre meant tk be the Deltarune mirror of the 7 souls needed in Undertale
crimson badger
I thought seam only needed 5, but this at least makes me think more about not only item/darkner stuff, but also other things-within-things in dark worlds as to what is location, what is agent, and what is object
crystal shale
Maybe, I could be forgetting and/or misremembering details
crimson badger
doesn't mean there can't be 7, which would open a huge can of worms come ch6
crimson badger
mhm mhm
ripe harbor
Idle hipfire: could shadow crystals be the 'item' form of a titan?
🤷♂️ idk maybe
The Titans are weird in a way that seems hard to connect to anything too concretely rn, imo
Definitely sorta related though
Shadow Crystals are pretty consistently described as glass
even in some odd, sorta connected ways
& the Titanspawn and Chapter 4 are absolutely doing something with that too
and then theres the weird "This definitely is Ominously Meaning Something but it could be either or both" uses
but it might just be as simple as "They're both glass because both are from the Dark" or it might be something more specific about glass / lenses and willpower. 🤷♂️
ripe harbor
Idle hipfire: could shadow crystals be the 'item' form of a titan?
I think its definitely the solidifed(?) form of whatever substance makes them
'water' -> 'glass' or something
though if Titans are made of will, theres a question of why they don't have any
or dont have one
and its a little harder to square shadow crystals with this sort of description, they don't seem fear related (though I could buy it for the BlackShard)
odd thangs. weird kaiju.
maybe the shadow / will is clear to start with, and it gets tinged with color by perception?
Fear just being what tints the glass pitch-black? But even that could be too much of a mechanical explanation, for something that might be more for the aesthetics.
ripe harbor
though you could also read this second sentence not as "Your fears of the dark" but instead fear that belongs to the Dark. hmm.
The Dark's fear of something else. Would explain the GUARDIAN name, tbh
we'll find out this year either way!
ripe harbor
maybe the shadow / will is clear to start with, and it gets tinged with color by...
I feel like the swatchlings whole deal is kinda slept on in regards to this & color in the game, tbh
you change their color by bringing up memories
its those experiences and the feelings they gave you that gives the color
pitch-black as fear, because it swallows up all those thoughts? Fear is too dominating, covers up the color?
sour mesa
The Dark's fear of something else. Would explain the ``GUARDIAN`` name, tbh
made me remember this bit of chuubo's
restive comet
Why do people assume IMAGE_FRIEND is supposed to be the "tail of hell" from the prophecy???
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- Friend is a cat (sweepstakes silence jumpscare, Eram fight sprite, pippins Mike dialogue)
- "A cat's tail is just a snake in disguise" Tem tweet + "The shadow will grow serpentine!" organikk
- If the tail of hell is a character, it is simpler to have them be an existing one
- probably more I'm forgetting
restive comet
I'm not entirely sure any of those correlate though
It really just feels like the third point
ripe harbor
I'm not entirely sure any of those correlate though
I actually agree-ish. Its why I don't treat it as a very locked in connection.
the second bullet point is very speculative
and the third relies on the read that the 'Tail of Hell' refers to a specific character at all. Nobody ever claims the 'Ring of Heaven's Call' is a person.
actually I'd say the strongest point for a connection would probably be the ROOTS room ("Roots" tracks playing whenever you see Friend) having the organikk who gives you "The children followed the pointed tail. The poor children!" + the generic fight flavor text of "The tale that must be followed." & "The tail that must not be followed."
which sets up a sort of binary between "DELTARUNE" & "the tail". Given 
's ties to optional content and the weird route, theres maybe something there?
but some people go all in on this cryptic not-confirmed stuff and its like
2nd bullet point kinda goes hard if its right though. "Yeah isn't just a cat but its also a snake because its pulling a bit from The Biblical Serpent as a 'demon' manipulator" fuck it, I'd be down. That sounds like it could be cool.
its just that rn thats a big leap
the important take away if it is 'the tail of hell' is probably ' will have unavoidable mainplot significance' tbh
because seeing the tail of hell take crawl - whatever that means - is in Da Prophecy
it will happen
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Agreed all around
Plus that apparently Jockington grows "the" beard, and it's being framed as frighteningly relevant
Enough will be made clear in time, I'm sure. Deltarune tomorrow, after all
delicate cave
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He doesn't have free will because Im controlling him, but, if I don't have free will either, is Mario controlling me?
low surge
crimson badger
The universe is playing mario through you
low surge
@Maudeofmay
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~~The universe is playing mario through you~~
Wow
ripe harbor
Kirby Air Riders Music got me looking back on that series & the stuff I missed since I was a kid and wow, yeah, definitely a lot of inspiration towards DR lmao
not just musically (like through Cucumber Quest -> Nightmare Knight), they just talk about the same stuff in the same ways
"The Dream Spring, source of all dreams, has dried up, taking with it all the blissful dreams of Dream Land."
hmm....
or, how since I only ever played Super Star Ultra I didn't know the OG English translation of Super Star has Marx's lines as
"WOW! It worked. 'The Sun & Moon are fighting, Go find Nova.' All my plans worked!"
"POPSTAR is all MINE! Now, I can do anything! I must be going now."
& then he fights you with his scary clown powers.
wasn't even combing for these or anything, just looking at kirby games unrelatedly and getting hit with the 
strange cloud
Chat, sometimes I feel like Deltarune theorists forget that dramatic irony can be a thing
That a character can say and do something they don’t literally think will happen and it’ll happen anyway because that’s dramatic
Like I brought this up when talking about Dess characterization and I saw someone say this is actually foreshadowing how Dess even before becoming the knight wanted to make Noelle the Angel
restive comet
Like I brought this up when talking about Dess characterization and I saw someon...
Where's this from?
strange cloud
Where's this from?
It was on of the hidden pages form the Spamton sweepstakes
ripe harbor
Like I brought this up when talking about Dess characterization and I saw someon...
the children have FORGOTTEN the power of
low surge
I’m still a firm DessKnight believer but the RudyKnight community has been putting out some insane propaganda recently
strange cloud
We gotta reintroduce this image to the ecosystem
Like reintroducing wolves to yellowstone
strange cloud
I’m still a firm DessKnight believer but the RudyKnight community has been putti...
Hold strong and resist the coal
ripe harbor
It was on of the hidden pages form the Spamton sweepstakes
this one (it was a newsletter) (you click the little snowman at the bottom)
the holiday newsletter
ripe harbor
he loves just Saying Shit that might or might not be anything at all
this is from the same newsletter lmao
serene loom
tricky tony loves saying shit so much
ripe harbor
ripe harbor
tricky tony loves saying shit so much
honestly he pulls it off pretty well idk how he does it
serene loom
he learned from master baiter Hussie
and also hes an old school forum user (as in "old school forums", he's only 34)
ripe harbor
I'm Unc!
serene loom
this is the guy who made The Baby Is You to troll the MSPA Forums mods even though he literally worked there
ripe harbor
In this state, it's hard to know where to find anything…```
```Up above was the blue sky...
Suddenly, a shadow appeared above you.```
```In case Bluski flies away, I uploaded all the posts here as a memorial.
That way you don't even have to remember the website.```
```Buried into the snow, was kind of ancient crystal...
The crystal resonated with a message.```
```On a Friday in November, the sky turned black. Soon after, items were revealed in a cartoonish shape.
There are many things you can look at, but I'll talk about two specific revelations.```
I'm gonna lose my mind. this is advanced level shitposting. WHO is he making these cryptic semi-references to his own unfinished game for.Why does this merch announcement & progress update speak so much about snow & things getting lost within it & echoes from special crystals & memories & revelations when the sky turns black
To Understand my Mother-With-Furries game you must solve my riddles three
serene loom
its enrichment for him
minor merlin
I feel like all of this lines up with what I would expect from a guy who had a game simmering in his mind for like 13 years
serene loom
like, his own family thought jackenstein was a cry for help and he was confused by it because he just loves making weird shit
minor merlin
Like if I was crafting an intricate story that had undergone over a decade of thought and consideration I would also do what Toby Fox does, assuming I had the same skill as him
But also yeah genuine insanity I've never seen a fanbase so deep in the trenches before
ripe harbor
It happens in the game text too 😭
I checked the Miss Mizzle text the other day, because I remembered it said some foreshadowy things about flowers & realized I kinda skimmed it the first time,
into turbulence, and lose all meaning.```
when you KNOW its some Roaring nonsense but you can't prove itanother way to phrase this would be
"Keep repeating (yourself), and the water will bubble forth - all mixing together - until the entire thing is chaos."
and I know its insane. but....
she also talks a lot about eggs(?)
its like there's the Important Nouns that are hammered away in the background, and then just for fun they're obliquely referenced in strange and multi-layered ways.
some of these are almost certainly misfires, some of these are probably intentional. Fucked up writing style.
crimson badger
the amount of psychological warfare toby barrages the fandom with is downright aspirational
ripe harbor
He's just repeating all he knew
ripe harbor
I saw it once but I forgor where
for computer-related terms for the tail I still got a pin on pointers
In practice, dereferencing a null pointer may result in an attempted read or write from memory that is not mapped, triggering a segmentation fault or memory access violation. This may manifest itself as a program crash, or be transformed into a software exception that can be caught by program code.
hmm...
plus if you follow a null-pointer, it would take you "Nowhere"
low surge
It brings me great joy to imagine Susie and Kris as brainrotted zoomers that do 6 7 in front of Ralsei and he gets really mad because they won’t stop and he doesn’t get it
ripe harbor
equally funny- he has inexplicable knowledge of gen-z slang in the same way he knows song titles & all those home ec skills
he was born with hawk tuah etched on his soul
actually idk about ralsei but. If you handed Lancer a notebook and a pencil I think he would draw the cool S.
low surge
Lancer can draw the cool S but he also does not know what hawk tuah is don’t teach him hawk tuah
ripe harbor
I dont think he knows the rizzler but he might be able to re-invent the chin thing from first principles
low surge
For sure
Susie and Kris trying not to laugh every time Lancer unintentionally recreates some zoomer brainrot
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Susie looks over Lancer's shoulder as he's sketching and sees him drawing skibidi toilet. She asks who told him about that and he responds "Told me about what?"
delicate cave
There's definitely a dark world where skibidi toilets are real
manic parrot
strange cloud
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1b465gK9PrW_DT-TfAT4tVjOY3SHUO_CwZuQF1lnGk-c/...
Reading this doc, ngl, I do feel we’re kinda overreacting
A lot of the stuff here is less Wachifield and more just, common cultural ideas
Stuff like a fall/winter festival that involves spirits being close is not unique to Wachifield
It’s common all throughout earth
low surge
I haven’t read it yet but I wouldn’t be surprised
I just find it interesting what strange and various things Toby seem to take inspiration from
austere bay
I'm shaking thinking about chapter 5
Isn't there a partial weird route you can do
Like you can stop the weird route and keep the thorn ring
low surge
I know people like the “Dess and Carol fought a lot” angle but honestly I think it’s so much more tragic that for all her rebellion, Dess was a mamas girl and her loss is why Carol has become so cold. Rudy said she didn’t always used to be like this (iirc don’t quote me)
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Like you can stop the weird route and keep the thorn ring
Yeah, just gotta not equip it when you get it and fight Berdly normally
Used to let you equip it after, go back and use snowgrave on the maice in the previous room, although I hear that's been patched
low surge
Do you think Kris was tweaking the fuck out during the Lightners Live section
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Tumblr
low surge
Bullshit
delicate cave
Imagine if it didn't, though
rain lotus
low surge
Dess drove a Peugeot 207 shitbox
Wrecked too many nice cars for Carol to trust her with anything else
Azzy drove the mini van
rain lotus
they're zoomers they couldn't afford cars
austere bay
sour mesa
That's true
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austere bay
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sour mesa
in deltarune's twisted world, this is just how the song is normally
lusty cypress
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8Sf6Fb64uQ
Ch2, but a virus takes over cyber world
low surge
they would do that
analog burrow
Asgore will be living in his truck during chapters six and seven
crimson badger
Chekhov's bergentruck going to the gas station...
amber jolt
Asgore will be living in his truck during chapters six and seven
don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it-
SIX SEVENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
(someone PLEASE make a dark fountain in my chest cavity PRONTO)
rain lotus
Chekhov's bergentruck going to the gas station...
Asgore deniers when chekhov's berguntruck smoking gun red voucher ex machina the roaring knight herring
sequence of words that open dark fountains
low surge
Sitting at work and randomly getting flashbanged by the “the dreemurs are the lebron james of committing suicide” tweet
low surge
A third fan-kid has has hit the fandom (@Ol_Bungus)
Another 20 trillion middle children
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Who...?
low surge
Catteigh, new Cattenheimer fan sibling
rose swallow
low surge
This feeds into the Kralsusielle pipeline trust the plan Deltaheads
restive comet
Kris isn't a man tho
low surge
Ralsei
amber jolt
WAHOO
this means, while Wolff isn't gone, he won't be in charge of copyrighting stuff
rain lotus
i can't believe the weird intellectual property goblin's name is sebastien wolff
inside your undertale is two canines
low surge
God Toby must hate having to do this every few months lol
low surge
Toby Fox beams deltarune angst into my brain whenever I’m about to sleep after a long shift
I am his favorite little chud this is proof I swear I’m not crazy
manic parrot
toby holding his head in his hands "look i get that i can't demand you guys fire Wolff but could you please put literally anyone else on my stuff this is a fucking pr nightmare"
velvet olive
let's fucking GOOOOOOOOOOO
rocky shale
Toby Fox beams deltarune angst into my brain whenever I’m about to sleep after a...
The bed is where the soul of Deltarune flows from
low surge
me about to close my eyes after a 12 hour shift of playing with blood and other bodily fluids, eyes darting open “what if carol set the oven on fire making Christmas cookies while remembering about Dess and Rudy had to throw away the warped and melted trays”
The trays and cookie cutters being like, stuff she used to use to make cookies with Dess when she was younger, and when she tried again with Noelle the Christmas after Dess disappeared she froze up and was daydreaming about the last time she did that with Dess
amber jolt
*me about to close my eyes after a 12 hour shift of playing with blood and other...
i'm sorry but what do you mean by "playing with blood and other bodily fluids."????
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Clocking in for my shift at the Playing With Blood And Other Bodily Fluids factory
low surge
i'm sorry but *what* do you mean by "playing with blood and other bodily fluids....
I work at a hospital lab lmaoooo
low surge
Clocking in for my shift at the Playing With Blood And Other Bodily Fluids facto...
“Oh man sure I don’t have to play with blood and other bodily fluids today”
manic parrot
I work at a hospital lab lmaoooo<:crylaughing:1438342406906052619>
hospital support staff 🤝
low surge
🫡 🫡 🫡 🫡 🫡 🫡 🫡
lusty cypress
Blogg seems to have a music thing that plays automatically
Online friend ralsei
https://psychrodraws.tumblr.com/post/804681107768541184/ralsei-is-so-internet-friend-coded-it-kinda
sharp lodge
Wondering if kris's fear of being used up relates to how chara sees things and people as something to try to get the most out of until there's nothing left
low surge
Herdly
manic parrot
Wondering if kris's fear of being used up relates to how chara sees things and p...
fesf
sharp lodge
lol
serene loom
lesbian berdly is a toxic fujoshi
low surge
sharp lodge
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Do elaborate
strange cloud
Funny theory from YouTuber named Jarujaru
low surge
Oh god here we go again
low surge
Alphys straight up says Kris messages Asriel over the internet all the time and how it must suck for them with the internet being down
WHY WOULD KRIS KEEP LOOKING UP WHEN COLLEGE BREAK STARTS IF ASRIEL IS DEAD NOBODY EVER EXPLAINS THAT
Since Kris is in the know how could Asriel be dead when everything indicates Kris thinks he’s coming home
I must watch this to piss myself off
zenith iron
I have watched it and it is a truly baffling video in a lot of respects, but to play devil's advocate, I could actually believe that Kris is checking the end date of summer vacation if the goal is to hide that asriel is dead
the new asriel's dust theory is 20% "this is actually pretty interesting" and 80% "wildly speculative fanfiction"
low surge
Oh my god it’s an hour long fuck
zenith iron
the one thing I actually find pretty interesting is ||the idea that ralsei and the knight are literally two halves of some "whole" being|| but even if that turns out to be real, I don't think that necessarily means what dust man thinks it means
that said, incredibly, "asriel is dead" is not even the most baffling thing in the new version of the theory
that's ||the player soul is Dess, who we are puppeting and who is then puppeting Kris in turn, also Kris hates Dess(?)||
sour mesa
huhhhh
zenith iron
I may be misunderstanding what he is trying to claim but whatever it is, it is strange
strange cloud
that's ||the player soul is Dess, who we are puppeting and who is then puppeting...
That claim combined with ||Asriel being Ralsei really just means that the weird route is Dess via Kris, enacting an incestious fantasy with her sister||
||and even in the non weird route making Kris act romantically with their brother||
minor merlin
what the fuck was bro cooking
strange cloud
zenith iron
cammy buried under The Dust™
strange cloud
That’s so fucking unfortunate
zenith iron
I can't believe kris destroyed the plumbing by trying to flush asriel's dust down the dark toilet
low surge
strange cloud
low surge
Don’t get me wrong I don’t like shitting on people’s theories (unless they suck ass) but Asriel’s Ashes is like Woody Theory tier levels of dead at this point and anything further just feels like cope
And while we don’t have a lot to go on, there’s some hints to Asriel that make a much more compelling story about dealing with loss and moving on that are just completely thrown out if he’s just been dead this whole time
strange cloud
Don’t get me wrong I don’t like shitting on people’s theories (unless they suck ...
I mean, not to be mean
But this theory does suck ass
low surge
lmao
strange cloud
It’s not supported by the game, ruins the characterization of several characters, literally invokes tricky Tony
low surge
I’ll have to watch it
strange cloud
It’s not good
sharp lodge
that's ||the player soul is Dess, who we are puppeting and who is then puppeting...
||the soul is constantly specified as a human soul so that can't work||
zenith iron
I try very hard to devil's advocate for theories, especially ones that seem "out there"
but asriel's dust 2 is testing me, lord above
sour mesa
||the soul is constantly specified as a human soul so that can't work||
adding the ||human dess|| epicycle
rain lotus
Don’t get me wrong I don’t like shitting on people’s theories (unless they suck ...
Asriel's Ashes is like Asriel tier levels of dead*
:clownster99:
crystal shale
low surge
|| Audibly shouting “oh my god bruh” when he says Asriel is the Knight ||
low surge
|| screaming RAISE UP YOUR BAT multiple times when he’s talking about connections to Dess. Saying the bat/blade is Asriel’s because maybe he’s on the baseball team FUCK ||
@strange cloud I am in hell why would you do this to me
This shit actually drives me insane
|| Just taking shit from Dess and saying it’s Asriel because reasons ||
strange cloud
<@308743550785290260> I am in hell why would you do this to me
Look I said it was upsetting
Also it is genuinely insane that this theory feels like a parody of like, misogynistic theories
Just taking everything associated with Dess and giving it to Asriel because he’s a guy
zenith iron
||on the one hand, I also sort of question dess knight because I'm not sure about her being both the knight and also the voice in the code, even if there's theoretically explanations for that. on the other hand, this person is claiming asriel is the knight and the voice in the code, so actually it's just the same problem all over again for no reason||
||although admittedly "dess is the soul kris" genuinely pivots from "just misogyny" to "deep fanfic madness" because he is at least right in saying that somehow makes Dess more important, even if it makes even less sense||
low surge
|| what about Asgore? You know, Asriel’s dad? The chief of police hiding a disturbing secret? The guy that’s ALSO somehow part of the plot? Why does he seem to think Asriel is alive and well? ||
Why am I even spoilering this shit?
rain barn
cognitohazard
low surge
Truth
Yeah this just makes me unreasonably mad
|| The Kris hates Dess angle is really weird, when it feel more likely they had a lot in common and bonded over that ||
|| Another hole: the chapter 3 cutscene where Tenna talks about everyone leaving. Dess vanishes well before Asriel. And sure it could be symbolic and Tenna doesn’t seem to know Asriel is gone gone, that doesn’t jive with Kris somehow accidentally killing Asriel and Dess in some way when he makes it out that Asriel died first. ||
|| This whole theory really seems to have forgotten Asgore, like Asgore (and Toriel) causes several issues with this and it’s not addressed ||
Also am I insane and hallucinating things, or did Alphys not say that Kris is messaging Asriel all the time and that the internet being down must make that all the harder?
Like I distinctly remember that
@ripe harbor where are you, you must suffer
strange cloud
Also am I insane and hallucinating things, or did Alphys not say that Kris is me...
She does yah
strange cloud
|| The Kris hates Dess angle is really weird, when it feel more likely they had ...
Also yah, that bit is the craziest when it contradicts practically everything we know about their dynamic
And also makes Kris into a poorly written obsessive younger sibling from a bad horror VN
low surge
People calling this ragebait nah I thing this is just ass
low surge
On an unrelated note: andrew cunningham has been trapped in an endless hallway
Jaru: and that’s why Asriel is Ralsei and the Knight and Kris and Spamton and the dark fountain and Dess and you an-
Andrew Cunningham:
amber jolt
jesus FUCK
what the HELL do you mean ANOTHER dust theory has hit the Deltarune Fandom
low surge
Mr President they hit the castle town
Yeah it’s… it’s certainly a theory alright
I’m not buying the ragebait bit
That’s just being cheeky so you can do Schrödingers theory. If people hate it, it was bait. If people love it, it was serious.
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Instead of thinking about that, think about this instead
https://www.tumblr.com/miggsboson/807056550298583040
(more panels than in embed)
low surge
We love a good angst comic don’t we folks
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Yippee
low surge
Me when I have to torture the gay teenagers because I’m bored
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Don't worry, characters are made to serve us, it's the only way they can feel truly fulfilled
Wait hang on
low surge
low surge
Watched toilet theory, and while I’m not 100% sure it’s somehow significantly more convincing and actually makes sense and is well explained
Cammy does it again
clear frost
Just watched azzydust 2. Hi yeah where did the ||narratively important distinction between player and character|| go
clear frost
Man clearly doesn’t shave with how little the razor of occam saw use
I don’t think I’ve seen a theory this bad since the chapter 1 evil Kris theories
inland hare
Asriel is a growing boy
clear frost
I just. I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone do THIS BAD at narrative.
low surge
Asriel is a cognitohazardous memeplex that is absorbing concepts into itself
clear frost
I am going to slam my antlers into the wall until one of them breaks off so I can stab this piece of trash theory. If I can find something not made of holes that is
Hey why do I hear black knife blaring in my head
low surge
RIP Insomnia
clear frost
And the fact that he’s working on a snowgrave followup…………….fuck this who needs the knight IM STARTING THE ROARING MYSELF
clear frost
SHADOWS THAT SHROUD THE SKY
DARKENING CLOUDS DIVIDE
WORLDS OF THE DARK COLLIDE
PROPHECY BROUGHT TO LIFE
clear frost
Wait how does Snowgrave work with Asriel dust theory
||the theory states that dess is the soul. Do you remember what the whole thing about the weird route is?||
inland hare
I’ll snap necks
clear frost
STRIKE THE EARTH, SHADOWS RISE
CUT WITH A BLACKEST KNIFE
LIGHTNERS WHO DARK DEFY
FALL TO THE ROARING KNIGHT
serene loom
analog burrow
A third fan-kid has has hit the fandom (@Ol_Bungus)
Holy shit Jade Harley
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Thinking I may need to update my bingo card
sour mesa
put asgore pops off in free space
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God please
Toby just give my goat a frame of aura
A crumb
I’m begging
We can’t be this washed
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rouxls again
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I had a feverish dream about an enemy with a tetris attack pattern
Bloxxer?
austere bay
Thinking I may need to update my bingo card
Didn't mike reveal already happen
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True Mike
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Shit so ridiculous it makes Woody Theory sound coherent
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Trvke
analog burrow
I’m still a believer in there being a second Real Mike encounter where this time they say something incredibly ominous before vanishing again
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Trvke
Is this just, like, "truth nuke" contracted and stylized
Been seeing it a couple times
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Yea
rain lotus
mike drop
ripe harbor
<@198496790670999552> where are you, you must suffer
I kid you not, my PC whole-ass broke 💀 ||also had a bit of a January Moment. you understand.||
I've been expecting & preparing for that for a while, so its not a big deal. But it was still a whole Thing lol.
ripe harbor
Don’t get me wrong I don’t like shitting on people’s theories (unless they suck ...
I really do believe it has to be bait. Having not seen any video of it yet.
like its gotta be Jaru leaning into being the Wacky Theory Guy, right?
ripe harbor
Instead of thinking about that, think about this instead
https://www.tumblr.com/...
hold one wait peak dropped
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I kid you not, my PC whole-ass broke 💀 ||also had a bit of a January Moment. y...
Felt felt
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I really do believe it has to be bait. Having not seen any video of it yet.
Nah I think it might be real genuine dogshit
ripe harbor
I think the only Jaru video I saw was the "Who is the knight" tierlist where Mad Mew Mew got S tier
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||on the one hand, I also sort of question dess knight because I'm not sure abou...
yeah theres something Up with it all. ||Sometimes I sort of kick around 'The Knight as Dess' Shadow?' in my head but Idk what that would even mean||
its at least noteworthy that 'Black Knife' doesn't have any of the motifs you might expect from 'Raise Up Your Bat' or 'Lost Girl'
but that could just as easily be interpreted as the 'real' Dess being buried underneath or something
definitely connected to Dess though, in a way where saying "Its asriel actually" is wild
sour mesa
Asriel: "I'm starting HRT"
Dess: "That's great!"
[One year later]
"Why do you look like me"
rain lotus
facial knightification
minor merlin
I think the only Jaru video I saw was the "Who is the knight" tierlist where Mad...
what
ripe harbor
what
ghosts can travel through walls (computer closet escape)
Mad Mew Mew association with knives
its basically ironclad
It was actually a tierlist
minor merlin
is mad mewmew actually in deltarune??
ripe harbor
so theres probably other stuff in the whole image
ripe harbor
is mad mewmew actually in deltarune??
yeah implied. At least the ghost version of her is.
In Napstablooks house you can meet two other characters, one talks like Mew Mew, the other like Mettaton (but depressed)
minor merlin
https://tenor.com/view/asgore-assgore-asgore-undertale-undertale-asgore-deltarun...
GYAAATTTTTTTT
minor merlin
I really gotta get deltarune soon
I'm also super curious about what the fuck the vessel is about
ripe harbor
good news: nobody knows
something something ||greyscale copies given color, echoes ringing & ringing through the deep, new stories made from bits and pieces remixed, images formed as reflections given a life of their own||
but like. idk what that means, where its actually going.
probably something about that one npc going on about "a trace - repeated, repeated!" and then something about grey-traces & black-white random smears & static & literal ice-cold snow all being sort-of related
me personally I've been thinking of Noelle sometimes
theres this tension between her as this frightened scaredy cat, and also the girl who plugs back in the haunted creepypasta game cartridge. Makes me wonder why.
Emotionally, whats her drive to do that second thing? What about her was what had her wear her old angel dress until the wings got tattered?
minor merlin
Emotionally, whats her drive to do that second thing? What about her was what ha...
Toby Fox is genuinely approaching the brink of mass fandom psychosis I think
ripe harbor
LISTEN,
this is the narratively important stuff lmao
this is way less crazy than getting too into the mikeposting
I feel like of all the main (4) characters, I got the worst grasp on Noelle's main drive compared to everyone else. Tbf, I'm not sure she knows either.
which is part of her- theres the noelle whos constrained by her mom & all the expectations put on her, and the noelle that thinks "Kris is the only one who knows how weird I am."
Does she want more people to see the 'real her'? Or even just one- is that sort of connection something she wants?
or is it more like she can't bring herself to ignore the possibility that someone might be there, and its like a hope thing? She reads every spam email 'just in case', she's afraid of pizza boxes but seeks out spooky glitches ''just in case''
she googles her sisters name, every day, just in case
manic parrot
Onion-san is the Knight, calling it now
manic parrot
call me a shipwright the way all my theories are watertight
ripe harbor
Toby Fox is genuinely approaching the brink of mass fandom psychosis I think
that being said the time I was thinking about her "restart games over & over to find the weird edge-case glitches / extract secrets from them" and wrote down "Noelle = Gaster(?) (???)" def counts as this
minor merlin
that being said the time I was thinking about her "restart games over & over to ...
I think gaster is some sort of cognitohazard or memetic agent
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he's green for an amazing reason...
he sorry HE is a trustworthy guy. You can trust HIM with your CONNECTION
I also want to know whats driving him but you might as well shoot in the dark
he wants to 'be found', and wants his Deltarune, whatever that means
wants to see your power shining, which might just tie into either of the previous
ripe harbor
Instead of thinking about that, think about this instead
https://www.tumblr.com/...
rewrites the ending lyrics to refer to the devil with it pronouns
very
rain lotus
I'm also super curious about what the fuck the vessel is about
The vessel is clown generated content
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Kris, Chara, Frisk, and the vessel are all represented (for some reason). Who the hell is that in the top left?
rain lotus
pretty sure that's also chara
that's the chara flashback slides thing
gee knight how come the tierlist lets you have two charas
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(@honeydewwwv)
She's red for an amazing reason
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Tumblr
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delicate cave
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KRIS IN SKIRT
notice how 'Kris' becomes 'Skirt' if you give them 'T' 
MORAL: transgener
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The woke media doesn’t want you to know this one fact
sharp lodge
restive comet
I feel like quoting Seam about this in "It doesn't entirely make sense, but doesn't entirely not make sense"
ripe harbor
https://youtu.be/Hmv95Cobmis?si=cLyLhyDSS0yv0gIC
Asriel's soul is..... inside us? as a friend?
restive comet
https://tenor.com/view/woody-toy-story-i-don't-want-to-play-with-you-anymore-gif-1116642795181823087
ripe harbor
https://youtu.be/Hmv95Cobmis?si=cLyLhyDSS0yv0gIC
ironically its still the first 2 minutes of this video that I think brings up the most important point.
Really notable (if you assume that souls are what allow a Lightner's 'inner self' to manifest in the dark) that Kris is so opposed to their own.
it sets them up as in conflict with 'the source of their own identity' in a way no other character seems to be
ripe harbor
https://youtu.be/Hmv95Cobmis?si=cLyLhyDSS0yv0gIC
pains me to say that the 'Chara' part might hold water, if only because 's vagueness means you have to at least consider any similarities to No-Mercy's ending.
idk if 'Chara-the-human-child' was summoned, but 'Chara-the-nameless-player-reflection-that-destroys-timelines-with-darkness'
idk. maybe. in a sense.
maaaaaaaaaaybe. Like there might be something in the black-screen howling wind going on there, and the dark world howling winds in DR.
lusty cypress
Saw someone saying ralsei will never use fire magic because that's what the prophecy depicts her doing
And like, bro. Refusing to do something just to disobey is silly. Shoto todoroki in hero academia had a whole arc of accepting fire as part of himself rather than something imposed
inland hare
not to mention it's a fundamental misunderstanding of how fate seems to work in DR
what's depicted in the prophecy will happen
somehow, some way, in some form
you can reinterpret it to mean something else
but you can't straight up defy it
lusty cypress
Yeah
Oh, since I she her d ralsei, might as well post this
https://anacecherry.tumblr.com/post/793321511803027456
I was mostly leaning on ralsei staying a boy in canon to keep the "fluffy boy and tough girl" simetria, but lost girl does play in ralsei's room
Granted, it could imply a connection with dess or the holyday family
inland hare
if for instance the prophecy actually did depict ralsei using fire magic Ralsei absolutely would be trying to use fire magic but in a way that's safe and friendly
like using it to bake cakes or whatever
which I guess he kinda does
ripe harbor
if for instance the prophecy actually did depict ralsei using fire magic Ralsei ...
might be that fire magic isnt safe or friendly, and thats why Ralsei hasn't really whipped it out yet
lots of little ominous implications the prophecy isn't just tragic, but violently so. Could be Ralsei doesn't see a non-violent way to use that magic & is trying to avoid the prophecy as much as possible.
so no fire
ripe harbor
lots of little ominous implications the prophecy isn't just tragic, but violentl...
(Ralsei even gets most of these, imo. Not sure how else to take him doing the "... you may not... find the result favorable" thing with a pained expression.)
really does not want to fight, really does not want the end of the prophecy to occur unchanged, fears both are going to happen. I could see a refusal to burn people as an attempt to change fate.
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but you can't straight up defy it
in My Castle Town, straight up defying it. And by 'it', let me just say, haha, my Laegend
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Chat is this canonically accurate?
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Chat is this canonically accurate?
90%. Needs just a dash more of this for noelle ||also susie wouldn't have her own phone 😔 ||
||ralsei texting like a wine mom is kinda inspired though||
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True!
Susie has a flip phone and her fingers are too big so she uses boomer text but it’s borderline incomprehensible to most people
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You have to have texted her to a while to be able to decipher it
strange cloud
I think my favorite Noelle headcanon is that she’s deep in the trenches of fandom discourse
lusty cypress
If ralsei were on the internet and got in a fight, the fun gang would hop in
lusty cypress
Chapter 3 spoilers
ralsei's idea
||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbO2EE1XFGI||
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I think my favorite Noelle headcanon is that she’s deep in the trenches of fando...
She’s in the slime. She’s in the sludge. She’s been up till 5am having arguments with people you wouldn’t believe. She’s been banned and made so many alts she accounts for 10% of the forums userbase
strange cloud
She’s in the slime. She’s in the sludge. She’s been up till 5am having arguments...
I think if you placed Noelle in the original homestuck fandom she’d have a SarahZ video made about her
lusty cypress
ripe harbor
I think my favorite Noelle headcanon is that she’s deep in the trenches of fando...
You just know she's gotten multiple threads locked after someone posts about how Dragon Blazers 'relies too much on a tokenized and stereotypical depiction of humans' and also 'is lowkey mid'
strange cloud
You just *know* she's gotten multiple threads locked after someone posts about h...
God you think she brings up Kris in these arguments?