Undertale and Deltarune

[crimson badger]

art of the deal

[rain lotus]

The Secret Mossgrave Route

[ripe harbor]

I feel like now that I think "repeated / mixed up information" & "copies of copies of copies" are more central ideas to the game, I have more respect for "Until Next Time" as a song

first time I heard it I was mostly thinking about how I liked Don't Forget more

now I'm like 👀. the themes?

[low surge]

I like Until Next Time

I kinda get why people wanted a different song to close out chapter 3

But I don’t mind as much

Some people I talked to were expecting a different variant on Don’t Forget each chapter which is a lot to ask

And I couldn’t imagine chapter 4 ending with anything other than dark sanctuary, somehow it hit even harder than the opening and the first time in the dark world

[strange cloud]

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZP8AKUHLV/

[ripe harbor]

thats actually a different track called "Neverending Night"!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ03-aaO4sA

but yeah its def pulling on the Sanctuary motifs

[low surge]

God chapter 4 music is so fucking good

https://tenor.com/view/fire-piano-music-gif-11016376031114117781

Toby ignoring timescales to write the best fucking ost you’ve ever heard

[ripe harbor]

It was mixed up...

[low surge]

12am is another fucking banger (depressing)

It captures that feeling of late night melancholy perfectly

This comment under 13am

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-22469622

What if we all just exploded ourselves?

[ripe harbor]

... huh, I was checking the OST to see if it did anything funny with the number 6

https://tobyfox.bandcamp.com/album/deltarune-chapters-3-4-ost

chapters 3+4 is exactly 66 tracks long, and then it ends

[sour mesa]

which could mean nothing,

[low surge]

If you choose “good, keep smiling” you go directly to the boiler room of hell

[low surge]

Greenster strikes again

[ripe harbor]

Tenna also crashes on the 66th channel. which could mean nothing.

Gerson never wrote past book 6

[low surge]

Toby who has planned all of this from the very beginning

[ripe harbor]

he thinks he's soooooooo funny (he's right)

[ripe harbor]

also this was one of the most uncomfortable scenes to sit through

its not even a comedic or fantasy breakdown, its just sad

[low surge]

If I could reach through the screen to comfort the little skrinkly dinkly I would have

It’s rare that a game brings me on the verge of tears, the end of chapter 4 had me

I relate so much to all these characters

And man do I know how it feels to feel so helpless but to keep pretending like everything is okay just to try and maintain some semblance of normality

[ripe harbor]

Tony's most devious trick of all

[crimson badger]

Dude i care so much for these darkners pixels following a script

[strange cloud]

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZP8AENgsd/

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZP8AENFwF/

[strange cloud]

There cannot actually be this big of a community who believes in Rudy knight right?

I’m being punked?

I gotta be

[crystal shale]

It subverts expectations

[strange cloud]

Oh

It makes sense then

It’s FNAF

[crimson badger]

the deer behind the fountains

[ripe harbor]

I have a friend whos ride or die for it

he will find a way to bring it up anytime Dess is even tangentially involved

I think

• theres something going on with Rudy's knowledge, even if I dont think he's the knight
• he's more likely than Carol

he does basically exactly fit the profile of who susie expects the knight to be

"Ties to police + ties to Mayor + Goes to church often + not able to contest them in the Light World." Thats Rudy

and he's Asgore "Ostracized from the town for probably talking about Demons" Dreemurr's close friend, so he's definitely. Heard about his theories.

I don't think Carol set up that conspiracy board in their shared bedroom on her own in the past week.

[ripe harbor]

"Susie is a little dense theory:"

I'm joking there but theres probably gotta be some payoff for setting her up to have those assumptions, right? Even if Dess is the knight.

[strange cloud]

The thing is like, yah Susie is kinda dumb tbh

Like, she is in the dark about a lot of stuff

But she’s also just in general bad at putting dots together

[manic parrot]

Worth noting that left-handedness is typically inherited paternally

Wrt Rudy Knight

[ripe harbor]

It will be interesting to see how Susie's relationship to the Knight continues if it's Dess Knight

because shes got no connection. She has less connection than we do to Dess.

but it feels like shes gotta find out the identity of the knight before its all over- idk how you'd do that

[strange cloud]

I imagine it’ll mostly be filtered through the angle of Noelle

[ripe harbor]

maybe around the same time Noelle figures it out?

[strange cloud]

Especially since it might be that Noelle shares stuff about her next chapter during their date

[ripe harbor]

bit of an awkward first date Noelle, bringing up your lost sister like that

(its definitely going to be Susie asking about the Guitar and her mom that does it)

[strange cloud]

Yah that’s what I was thinking lol

But also

Noelle

She gets close to someone and immediately starts trauma dumping

she wouldn’t but it’d be funny

[ripe harbor]

Kris' reaction to the Knight definitely fit a lot more strongly for Dess than Rudy

[strange cloud]

Yah and, if I’m being honest

Every evidence I’ve seen for Rudy is just “well it could be him”

Because he’s absent for most of the game

[ripe harbor]

He does react weirdly to Susie in chapter 4 if you don't introduce them in 2, afaik

thats something

I think there is Something™ up with him, but not as the Roaring Knight- basically the same place I put Kris pre-Ch. 3

and that one did pay off

His first non-optional encounter is chapter 4, same as Carol, right after the knight fight- and everytime the Knight is assumed somewhere else you can't check the hospital

🤷‍♂️

[inland hare]

That’s clearly because Rudy is the knight tho

[low surge]

Rudy I’m so unsure on

He’s definitely going to be important somehow

I’m still not entirely convinced that he’s in on the conspiracy

He definitely knows Asgore and Carol have something they’re working on, and he knows not to push it too much in front of Toriel

But I don’t know if he’s an active participant

[low surge]

https://tenor.com/view/gerson-old-man-gerson-old-man-deltarune-delta-rune-gif-6182894835232086387

[strange cloud]

This is literally me btw (art by @ echonoahhh)

[sharp lodge]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1of5wgh/what_are_they_feeding_the_fanartists_nitrovu/?ref=share&ref_source=link

https://www.reddit.com/gallery/1of6bbx

[low surge]

It’s fucked up I might be 30 before Deltarune is finished

[ripe harbor]

always bet on 2026 full game release, 11 years off from the official start of development 😤

FIVE SIX SEVEN BABY, ALL AT ONCE

[rain lotus]

they made me learn to do t hings with my right hand

now i'm good with neither of my hands

[timber widget]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1374038933641363506/1431323255813439518/G4COVK9WEAA6iAc.jpg?ex=68fda7e8&is=68fc5668&hm=86813fe03ef477c5dc66271eec20efa6af736fe1642faffe09b570fef92747b9&=&format=webp&width=972&height=824

[sharp lodge]

https://old.rxddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/1ofowrm/complicated_feelings/?ref=share&ref_source=link

[strange cloud]

I think god should kill you

[low surge]

👹

[inland hare]

What if Kris is the Knigjt

And they are just moving so fast it looks like they are in two different places

[strange cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/why-didn't-i-think-of-that-mrboss-smiling-friends-frowning-friends-of-course-gif-14810131280811766713

[ripe harbor]

there is gaster everywhere for those with the eyes to see....

normally, the Copy type camerathing's photos are grey- but you brought that color. You've colored it in.

[strange cloud]

What the fuck is Shutta’s problem?

They’re a CAMERA

WHY ARE THEY LIKE THIS?!

[ripe harbor]

Cameras make copies of things based on optics

idk

probably some Light and Dark shenanigans there

[ripe harbor]

and then the other half is that they're def a little camp about it all

Im a big fan of how it takes a moment out of ominous foreshadowing to be like

"Damn the mizzles kinda hot though, right?"

[strange cloud]

I mean

Its is kinda real though

Ms Mizzle can get it

[ripe harbor]

ehrm.... his pronouns are ITS/ITS!!!!

I think?

[strange cloud]

It’s really hard to tell with most darkners

[ripe harbor]

I actually thought that was a bit of a kris-ism, that the first dark world they made also had

shuttah as a camera'thing' refered to with its/its

but idk if its ever confirmed or anything

[ripe harbor]

first time Swatch was refered to with masculine pronouns was in the Spamton Sweepstakes lol

[strange cloud]

For real?

Damn

[ripe harbor]

ya base game its only ever titles or they I think?

I remember this because they/them swatch was a popular headcanon read & I was like "well, its textually true that its unclear so.... "

[strange cloud]

I never thought Swatch could be a masc leaning non-binary person

Am I a bad person?

[strange cloud]

Canon He/They swatch

[ripe harbor]

and then toby pulls out the spamton qna and starts calling him a guy in every answer about him lol

[ripe harbor]

TRUE

also a good bit that the anniversary UT stream had a shuttah-like in the 'room in every trailer'

[strange cloud]

Have we considered that Spamton is transphobic?

[low surge]

Chatroom do you believe the area behind the police tape will be where the festival is

[low surge]

MagmaNaught asked to leave the UTDR community for insufficient WOKENESS

In fairness I didn’t know MK was a they maybe I’m a bad person

[strange cloud]

I must repent

How will I make it up to you all?

[low surge]

10k word BlookyXSnowysDad fic

[strange cloud]

Understood

[low surge]

They’re not the step parent, they’re the parent that stepped up

[strange cloud]

Yaoi between a middle aged Jewish man and a non binary ghost NEET

[ripe harbor]

after the recent spike of, uh, 'spamton groomer '''discourse''' I think I need to be more annoying about textual reads of this guy lmao

[strange cloud]

That’s fair lol

Gotta protect your fav from slander

[ripe harbor]

that one is legit grody, imo. Theres harmless headcanons, and then theres.... whatever that is.

[strange cloud]

There’s a happy medium between sexyman Spamton who won’t debase himself selling NFTs and “pedophile groomer who calls Kris mature for their age”

[ripe harbor]

like some sort of Man. In Between.

[strange cloud]

Holy fuck

Gaster’s actually about media literacy

[minor merlin]

https://youtu.be/uqH8lvQrs60

Muld jumpscare, horror

[ripe harbor]

nobody has to like spamton- but if you think he deserves what happened to him or is on a whole other level of ontologically evil distinct from the rest of the cast, you gotta do some soul searching, imo. You don't Get It.

not all '''headcanon''' reads are neutral. It'd be like making a bold claim that the main drive of the weird route is a psychosexual sadomasochistic thrill between Kris and Noelle- I'd think we gotta shoot you out of a cannon.

[low surge]

I will slander my fave all day but I draw the line here!!!!!!!

[ripe harbor]

I'm just glad Toby Fox (<- Gets It) is writing the story, and not them, tbh

[strange cloud]

More then anything, I think it’s because the UTDR community has a bad case of like, single line analysis. Where they make readings which only look at singular lines of dialogue or narration or single scenes while ignoring the whole of the work in which that line is in

Like, Spamton calling Noelle a hoochi mama is creepy yes

Maybe even

Sexist

However, just looking at that line as the totality of Spamton’s character is dumb

It’s one line of his hundreds

But members of the community don’t look at hundreds, they look at singular lines and examples

The whole of Spamton’s character does not support that reading at all, and actively contradicts it several times

But he did say that one thing

And it’s a lot easier to focus on that one thing

[ripe harbor]

its also absurd to me that its this line. its literal cartoon character dialogue. It's made to be read by William Hanna while his eyes bug out. Its like something from The Mask.

Does it speak to some underlying sexism, in context with the other lines about women he has? - yes. He's spam email advertising. They do not have the best depiction of women, underlying unquestioned ambient misogyny is a part of that.

but like- really? Its discourse about the Hochi Mama line, forever?

[low surge]

I have to start readying my body and soul for all the dogshit FRIEND takes we’re gonna get when we finally meet them

[ripe harbor]

they do this with Ralsei a tooooon too

[low surge]

This, forever

[strange cloud]

Oh shit how?

[ripe harbor]

And also it skips over, imo, the more interesting part of his WR fight regarding Noelle

which is that, yeah, he's derogatory towards her- because shes 'weak' and a 'puppet'!

Its the same reason he gets extremely mad at kris for reminding him of himself at the end of that fight

[low surge]

Eternal hochi mama discourse son or zero plot relevance ever again daughter?

[strange cloud]

Question: can I kill myself?

[ripe harbor]

just in general people take random lines of his and go "Is ralsei saying X?" "Is ralsei lying (evil) here?"

kris slash, etc

[strange cloud]

Ahhh true true

[low surge]

No

[strange cloud]

Fuck

[strange cloud]

I think people are so attached to Ralsei as like, a lying manipulator, which you know, he objectively kinda is, they ignore when he’s actually just, saying his feelings

[ripe harbor]

which is crazy, because this a very emotionally honest story!

they got the subtle sprite changes and the sad-key music kicking in and everything

[strange cloud]

I saw a post I responded to in another server about this and I got reminded of it the other day due to a conversation in #tabletop-discussion and I’m gonna post it here because I wrote a lot for it and it kinda contains all my relevant thoughts about Ralsei’s truthfulness

[strange cloud]

No but you see Ralsei can hear the OST so he actually intentionally started “Lost Girl” to make us and Susie feel bad

[ripe harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/ohh-i-under-black-guy-gif-1247944034220562367

[low surge]

Why would Dess make Ralsei do that?

[strange cloud]

It is really hard being the only literate Deltarune fan sometimes…

[low surge]

I’ve also seen an increase in “maybe Dess was abusive” posts and like

Come on brother

[strange cloud]

No but Toby wrote “maybe Chara wasn’t the best person” so all sibling figures who are dead must be EVIL

also another really good example of the fandom latching onto singular lines instead of analyzing characters whole but whatever

[ripe harbor]

I do agree with you more than them, but theres something to that last bit about Susie's blood being 'on ralsei' that I think is cooking

Its notable that despite Ralsei also knowing theres 4 of us / The Soul is a thing, and Susie making it pretty clear she doesn't like people keeping things from her... he doesn't try to tell her.

I trust he has his reasons! And I trust it sucks for him to do, and that he's trying to do the right thing.

[strange cloud]

I do agree but like I mentioned it was Susie’s actions and Ralsei’s failure that led to that blood being on him so the imagery I agree with but what it means is what I really disagree with

[ripe harbor]

but that might pay off poorly later

yeah he's not like

manipulative mastermind there

he's just in the Torment Nexus

[strange cloud]

He’s sacrificing Susie to Moloch in chapter 5 trust

[ripe harbor]

I also think the private convos were Ralsei triyng to comfort kris & also I think he was kinda ass at it

and why there seemed to be some friction or distance between kris and ralsei earlier

[strange cloud]

He’s not very good at that oddly enough

[ripe harbor]

"Don't Worry Kris! We just gotta do exactly what we need to, and accept that theres a limit to what we can change and our time will come."

lonely prince rolls worst pep talk ever

[low surge]

I literally just saw a comic where Asriel was like “no, you were wrong. But I still love you” to Chara and like

YES

[strange cloud]

Asked to be a sacrifice for the greater good

[low surge]

How do people not get that?

[strange cloud]

LITERALLY

[low surge]

Yeah Chara was in the wrong

[strange cloud]

Like, maybe Dess isn’t the best person

[low surge]

Objectively

[strange cloud]

Maybe she’s chara 2.0

But like, there’s 0 chance in hell she didn’t absolutely love Noelle and Kris

I will stake my life on that

She’s full of love

[ripe harbor]

no she deserves to be isolated and cut off from everyone shes ever known & trapped in the dark & eaten by demons & unable to ever be anything but a shell of her former shell. because she was Problematic.

[low surge]

Me when I play a game about learning to accept understand and forgive people even when they believe themselves beyond redemption (Chara is ontologically evil)

Taps the sign

[strange cloud]

Dess is one of those medias that shouldn’t have a fandom…

[ripe harbor]

blood crusher lead guitarist CANCELLED?!?

[strange cloud]

Perhaps the most poetic thing Toby has ever said

[ripe harbor]

he Gets It!

[strange cloud]

But also I’ll say, I think the whole idea that hometown doesn’t being up Dess because she was lame as fuck and nobody liked her is crazy

Maybe they don’t bring up because she went missing a few years ago and they’re talking TO FRIEND

[low surge]

I’m fully prepared for even fucking Friend, mega Hitler Epstein satan himself to not even be an unredeemable evil character

[strange cloud]

It’s a small town nobody’s gonna go “HEY KRIS REMEMBER THAT GIRL YOU WERE FRIENDS WITH?! DIDNT SHE SUCK LOL?!”

[ripe harbor]

I've seen posts about how so-and-so couldn't believe Dess Knight because "Why would she be so Violent and Manipulative towards Kris? She was a normal girl?!" and its like, yeah. Desperation drives people to places they wouldn't have gone otherwise, more at 7.

[low surge]

For reaaaaaal

[ripe harbor]

I like the parallels she'd have with Kris / Susie if she was actually kinda the loner to Asriel's Golden Child

[sour mesa]

i don't even think "she was a normal girl" has confirmation we're running on pure vibes here

[ripe harbor]

seen around, but seen as an outcast

[strange cloud]

We’re gonna find out Dess was a bad person when Snowy decides it’s been long enough to make jokes about how abusive she was

[low surge]

Hey Kris remember Dess you know Dess your best friends sister you were super close to who went missing and you seem to have been involved in that and have told people to stay away from the shelter her disappearance is seemingly tied to ha ha wow what whacky stuff

[strange cloud]

We are then going to kill Snowy

[sour mesa]

finally

[low surge]

Like maybe people don’t talk about Dess because it’s a traumatic subject for the community

[ripe harbor]

people might also not be ready for Dess to show up and have the same fur-color as Carol lmao

[low surge]

Like a certain other two children who died and massively impacted a community of monsters

Gee I sure wonder if there are parallels there

[strange cloud]

Yah like, I think there a lot of potential there in loner Dess

But, idk I think the idea the town doesn’t talk about her because they don’t like her is crazy

[ripe harbor]

yeah I think most of them just don't think about her

thats the sort of horror from the goner-kid event, right? What if everyone moved on after you were gone.

(And you look at noelle and, clearly, not everyone has moved on! But I think at least most of the town has)

[strange cloud]

Noelle is trying really hard to seem like she has too

[low surge]

That’s my assumption

Combination of moving on and probably trying to be polite by not bringing up the massively traumatic event involving the Holidays and Dreemurs to the Holidays or Dreemurs

[ripe harbor]

& Carol has frozen everything in place- acting like nothing's even changed

And theres a Spooky Knight haunting the town like a literal ghost of traumatic loss, and it refuses to go quietly

Good. Nobody has to take being thrown away.

[strange cloud]

Also yah I do really think Carol’s need to keep everything th same is her way of getting the world ready for Dess

She’ll be able to come back like nothing ever happened

[timber widget]

They're talking to who

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[strange cloud]

No no no no nO NO NO NO NO NO

[ripe harbor]

talk to, uh, FRIEND, speakervalue Six, Six Seven

[strange cloud]

Oh

fuck

[minor merlin]

six... seven.... no... please...

[ripe harbor]

(lowkey I'm interested how this idea is going to play out with Friend given its association with being 'unwanted', 'garbage (noise)', and things being 'deleted / thrown away')

its like one of those ideas that can sound very inspiring, and also justify some really messed up actions

I don't think its for nothing Susie says that 2 seconds before the The Rory Knight appear & breaks Tenna

I could totally see part of 's motivation, if it's those other Spooky Plot Figures, as something about forging connections, or getting out of the dark / bringing people into the dark.

It doesn't really have much characterization yet though unless you assume it's the Shadow Mantle Holder / ERAM

and that speaker is definitely... something!

could be sympathetic in some way, could be not at all. idk.

[lusty cypress]

Huh when did it come out again?

[strange cloud]

7 years ago

[lusty cypress]

Hub

Huh

[ripe harbor]

on Halloween, too

which actually means the Survey_Program anniversary is coming up

very funny, in universe and out, that Toby / Gaster hit people with the

and they just said 'yeah ok'

[low surge]

I have to admit I’m a fake and a fraud I first played when chapter 2 came out

[low surge]

Still one of the most insane things he did

[ripe harbor]

its gonna be fucked up when that becomes relevant

[low surge]

“Please install this mysterious program on to your computer thanks”

[ripe harbor]

though I like the one in game asking you if you accept it and even if you say "no" it just continues anyway

[low surge]

I will only accept it if good and happy things happen actually Tobias

[ripe harbor]

like literally the site said things like "you may have to disable antivirus"

[low surge]

I trust Toby implicitly

[ripe harbor]

FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, YOU ARE ADVISED TO REFRAIN FROM DISCUSSION OF THE PROGRAM FOR 24 HOURS

[ripe harbor]

what about Gaster

I'm still not sure how to take all the 'program' talk, or the device stuff in general

but I've got a "half of these could be computer puns tbh" read for the #DeepMysteries in my backpocket

very Homestuck

[crystal shale]

god when this came out it was peak

[ripe harbor]

its got aura for sure

a way to announce your next project as an indie dev you could probably only get away with by having made Undertale lmao

[low surge]

I wish I was there for chapter 1

Don’t know how I missed it

It’s okay though I was there for when my goat first popped out

[crimson badger]

its weird because I can't see a normal announcement doing better, DR ch1 was still very much in the shadow of undertale (both intentionally and not), but this feels like the best way to carve out its own self?

[crystal shale]

Yeah

[crimson badger]

(also just realized that the new game carving out its own identity under the shadow of its predecessor feels like even more texture to layer on from)

[crystal shale]

Deltarune definitely exists in conversation with Undertale

[crimson badger]

yeah yeah yeah

[ripe harbor]

huge chunk of its meta-text seems to be about interpretation of interpretations, and re-mixing of ideas when creative works get made

which slots real nice into how it exists with UT

Is Neo a Mettaton thing, or a Spamton thing? Is Heartache a Jevil thing, or a Toriel thing?

[low surge]

Heartache being a Jevil thing is still insane to me

[ripe harbor]

I think the wildest thing to me given how its spread is that 'sans' was written for a gag-room in Card Castle, lol

that was a 10th anniversary fun fact

probably means nothing that both Papyrus and Sans' themes come from proto-DR.

[strange cloud]

Dess defenders been real quiet since this line dropped

[sour mesa]

how could Noelle do this

[minor merlin]

Why would Chara make Noelle do this

[inland hare]

Why would frisk make Chara make Noelle do this

[ripe harbor]

I get a little bit of schadenfraude about it. I'm glad its someone else getting the horrid mischaracterizations too.

I hope she kinda sucks a little though, tbh. It'd be nice.

like Susie Chapter 1 levels of rough-edged

[minor merlin]

why does this fandom just adore making up characters

they made a fake member of the Holiday family for Togore, they made whatever Relsay is, etc.

does deltarune have enough evolutionary niches to support this

[serene loom]

my friend, there is no limit to the number of fake characters you can make

[sour mesa]

we make up real ones too (Dess) so it's fine

[minor merlin]

...huh.

found some art for this concept alongside it

[sour mesa]

the Gaster Fan Club....

[strange cloud]

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZP8DeJasB/

[low surge]

This fandom generally intersects with various groups that are both big into art and fanfic, and Toby has more or less given it his blessing that while things might not be “canon”, there’s so much in the world we don’t see. I think it really encourages people to write their own stories. I love it!

(Side note I really liked Relsay I’m sad he basically has been abandoned since his creator was a shitter (I don’t know the full story))

[low surge]

It’s like pottery, it rhymes

[clear frost]

relsay is uh

uhhhhhhhhhh

genuinely scary to me

like

i don't get scared easily but.

damn

[timber widget]

Gaster used to be green, but the guy we see is a copy, monochrome

[clear frost]

the greenerrrrrr

[low surge]

People should do Relsay and just reclaim him

[clear frost]

i would like it if they dont but hey who am i to stand against the tides

[lusty cypress]

We need a sibling for pizzapants
Whose pizza coupons kris, susie or ralsei steal
So she chases the fun gang in the dark worlds

You just hear her music before she appears

[inland hare]

Pizza shirts

[ripe harbor]

legitimately there is something to the Zappers being red/blue, having an attack that changes colors between red/blue, and being the only enemies that deal 'Holy/Electric' type damage so far, imo

Its another mark towards 'holy' or 'light' being strongly related to hue or color

[ripe harbor]

Gaster is short theory:

[strange cloud]

I wanna analyze some Deltarune fan’s minds under a microscope sometimes

[lusty cypress]

Pizza shirt

• Is pizzapants sister
• Chases fun gang because of her coupons
• Loves music

[ripe harbor]

you see all sorts

I think the funniest one, maybe half a week ago,

I saw a redditor convinced that Dess was added to the story after Chapter 1

[strange cloud]

…but she’s mentioned in chapter 1

By Noelle

[ripe harbor]

"Shes not mentioned in it" she is
"So she must have been a later addition"

true!

this did not stop their read lmao

[strange cloud]

We have the whiffle bat story!

Wait but then

[ripe harbor]

they also thought

[strange cloud]

Why?

[ripe harbor]

that Flowey being Asriel was decided later in UTs development

just very.... ???? theories

[strange cloud]

BUT THATS THE CRUX OF THE STORY?!

[ripe harbor]

yeah but Tony didn't thinks of that. until it was made into cutscenes.

[strange cloud]

Does he think Toby just, writes from cutscene to cutscene?

[ripe harbor]

who knows!

[strange cloud]

That he writes like he’s doing a highly improved tabletop game?

[ripe harbor]

we'd have to get out the microscope to find out

[strange cloud]

True yah

[ripe harbor]

I once saw this poll,

and I wanted to ask the 14% in the bottom row for what they thought was going on

for like the same reason

not even in a "You're so wrong" way. I legit want to know how they fit all the mystery elements together.

like who is Unknown Character to them.

[ripe harbor]

this is also incredibly funny to say about "Concepted 12+ years ago" DR

like yeah Dess seems pretty central to the story & emotional core of several main characters. but he never thought about it for years until after making Chapter 1.

[strange cloud]

Bravo Tony

[strange cloud]

Everyman

[minor merlin]

so I haven't played either Undertale or Deltarune

what the fuck is "FRIEND"

anyways

why's this thing sinister as fuck in some of the fan content

[delicate cave]

Player Unknown's Battlegrounds

[ripe harbor]

So IMAGE_FRIEND is the filename for a blink-and-you'll-miss-it face that appears in the Spooky Dark during Spamton's quest,

it shows up later in a prominent lore-cutscene, and several other times just kinda.... hidden around, or in places related to the secret boss quests.

Its also foreshadowed quite a bit in outside DR content produced by Toby Fox- shows up a ton during the charity event and when it later got more content.

despite that- very little direct info on it.

if it's even an "it", singular, at all.

[ripe harbor]

(and this name is likely not the whole story, other times it shows up it uses _ <- just a blank space instead.)

some of the more popular reads for how its involved in the story have it tied to the main-plot ||Traumatic backstory of the main-character|| & ||the disapperance of a local girl which seems to be a core driving force of the plot||

so

you get a lot of creepy art lmao

as for what it is, like, in universe? Thats the interesting question & its one theres nothing for unless you start hallucinating motifs in its apperances. Its Weird and its Different, at least. Its either doing things that very few other characters are doing, or its tied to some very deep-level stuff about how the setting works.

Its basically a cat, and its probably a demon, at least. Whatever that means.

[minor merlin]

its eye colors match spamton's glasses

which is neat

[ripe harbor]

true. I think its probably the best answer to the question his quest opens of "What mysterious entity contacted him through the phone?"

& thats a big reason lol.

[ripe harbor]

so yeah I guess the other answer is- if this is it-

its a mysterious entity thats watching the party (and You) from the shadows, who seems to have had a hand in manipulating and setting up events all over the place related to the plot.

which is creepy! Who is this thing, what does it want?

but thats prob the no-frills version of what it is

ask 4 people you'll probably get 4 different answers lol

[minor merlin]

this is kinda neat

[sour mesa]

does sans have any reason to recognize chara

99% of Undertale Events would be Frisk as far as he knows, right

[minor merlin]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ripe harbor]

he's an empath he can see their aura

they have red eyes (dark narcissist trait)

[ripe harbor]

seriously, you could def argue that he doesn't see Frisk as the anomaly by the time of his fight. Though I don't think Chara fits there either.

he's talking about the Soul / Player / Whatever

(and maybe mixing a bit of it up with Flowey)

[lusty cypress]

Kris is so dog coded

[minor merlin]

so what's up with the fandom treating sans and toriel like satan now

what'd I miss

[crimson badger]

ch4 ending whiplash + people batting way too hard for my loser king asgore iirc

(here's my favorite comment on the jitterbug scene tho)

[ripe harbor]

||this is also really funny with the whole 'manipulated into a job by an outside agent' thing||

||yeah they really are a Hound, huh. Doing what they are told.||

[crimson badger]

got a job for you k4-621

[lusty cypress]

Bloodhound

[lusty cypress]

People don't get asgore is going over the line
And interpret too negatively that moment with drunk toriel
Yeah it was a screw up. She will regret it the next morning. Doesn't mean she is the devil

[ripe harbor]

if theres one thing I learned from UTDR as pieces of media, its that if anyone ever does anything thats a little off, ever, they gotta go to hell forever.

especially if they are a woman

🙂‍↕️

[timber widget]

"We can't know who's the Knight until Kris lets us see it take off its helmet"
"I'll be... Right there..."
"Shut up"

[clear frost]

ehehehehehehe

pink and yellow are everywhere if you just start looking a tiny bit

[ripe harbor]

hmm ok

[minor merlin]

this art goes hard I think

togore is the roaring knight

[lusty cypress]

https://www.tumblr.com/utdrfakequotes/798119592950202368/you-think-youre-starting-to-understand-a-little

utdr-fake-quotes

*You think you're starting to understand a little more about Berdly.

-# #kris dreemurr #berdly #susie deltarune #toriel #deltarune #incorrect quotes #utdr fake quotes

Tumblr · Oct 22, 2025, 3:15 PM

[clear frost]

...

stop making me feel sympathy for him...

[ripe harbor]

the helmet thing is something though. weird thing for Kris to particularly care about if its December, unless its just trauma.

not like we'd recognize them

[timber widget]

ftr I don't particularly care for Carol Knight

My official stance is I don't want to try predicting who the Knight is, Toby will tell us in time

[inland hare]

What if it was the annoying dog

[ripe harbor]

^ unironically what Papyrus Knighters sound like

[sour mesa]

Annoying Dog... Puppyrus.....

It's all coming together

[sour mesa]

can you imagine if he didn't. if the game somehow ended without a hard confirmation. riots in the digital streets

[ripe harbor]

knight just leaves the plot chapter 5. Jerry main antag after that

[crimson badger]

forbidden knowledge acquired: Kris is dog coded, the annoying dog exists as a representation of god, we are not the angel, Kris is

[gilded canopy]

Kris Therian headcanon is prime, cutting edge fanfic material

[low surge]

Toby who didn’t think of any of that at all

Sometimes I wonder if we all even played the same game because some of the things people come up with are baffling to me

[rain lotus]

I think dead internet theory is real because specifically reddit is always so out of touch with observed reality on videogames

[minor merlin]

dead reddit theory

[lusty cypress]

Dead internet theory?

[rain lotus]

Like its all just machine learning amalgamated slop putting words together in a way that parses

But is still like abject nonsense

[lusty cypress]

Yeah just checked on wikipedia

funny

Yeah fandom does feellike that

Just unable to actually look at things

[sour mesa]

unfortunately that's 100% human

[lusty cypress]

and just putting worn archetypes and their own wishes over any work

[low surge]

Home grown organic mushbrain, just the way grandma used to make it

[ripe harbor]

tbh this is me with whatever the hell Ralsei is

"he's an idealized self" "he's an imaginary friend" "he's green" "he's the lost headband" "he's the representation of shadow" "he's the prophecy itself" "he was made in a lab by Gaster" "he's the representation of a presence in the dark"
idk. maybe.

he's fluffy

[ripe harbor]

he isn't Asriel's

• dust
• fur
• corpse
• alternate personality (made up backstory so player would feel bad)
  though. I'm at least confident on that.

[zenith iron]

at some point I had the theory that Ralsei is ||actually Asgore's dark world sona|| float across my view, and I do not believe it, but there is technically just enough evidence for it to be possible and it'd be so funny

[ripe harbor]

I think its funny that like, 80-90% of the more likely seeming ones work equally well for

[ripe harbor]

I do think his flowers are going to be goat-kids in the Dark World, representing Asgore seeing them as his children / family.

so there might be something in that space, even if its just narrative parallel

[zenith iron]

the theory in question (specifically me chewing on it after having it tossed my way and going "sure fuck it okay")

[ripe harbor]

mmmm
I don't think I buy the reversion to a younger state sort of thing- I don't think Noelle physically changes during that scene, just her reflection, and Gerson / Old Man... the latter isn't a Lightner, at least.

This theory seems to put forward that he isn't just Asgore's ideal self, but like- literally Asgore, pretending to be someone else? That seems like it just doesn't fit his characterization in most of the chapters- I can't imagine him playing video games happily while Toriel is trapped in a ball, for example.

[rain lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-gif-23627897

[sour mesa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HUHGSSW3YI

[low surge]

Everyone when Gaster come backs:
gastier deniers: OMG Gaster you are the angel and savior!🤗 😇 🥹
Gaster belifrs: HES GREEM!!!?!?!?!?!!!?!😵‍💫 😩 😭 😤

[amber jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-jesse-pinkman-why-are-you-green-what-is-wrong-with-you-gif-774466718616765419

[crimson badger]

Green Eggs And [Hyperlink Blocked]

[strange cloud]

Everyone when Gaster come backs:
gastier deniers: OMG Gaster you are the angel and savior!🤗 😇 🥹
Gaster belifrs: HES KIWAMI!!!?!?!?!?!!!?!😵‍💫 😩 😭 😤

https://tenor.com/view/it's-peak-kiwami-yakuza-yakuza-kiwami-2-it's-kiwami-gif-3535003347113574345

[ripe harbor]

W.D. Gaster sat on a wall, W.D. Gaster had a great fall...

I like the idea that he's the Save points

[lusty cypress]

You know, the faceless theme in deltarune is so great

The titan, faceless yet filled with eyes

[ripe harbor]

"Is that a cut on your face, or part of your eye?"

"The gash weaves down as if you cry."

[ripe harbor]

theres interpretations out there I wouldn't have guessed in years

shoutout as well to the very confident "The Roaring Knight is clearly Kris from the bad-future where the weird route happened" one I saw. Theres some. interesting takes out there.

[delicate cave]

The knight is Papyrus on Sans's shoulders, Scooby- Doo style

[sour mesa]

aw that would be cool though

[ripe harbor]

honestly it just made me think of full-adult kris being that much taller & then I thought of the Fairly Odd Parents movie with that plot

[crimson badger]

for some reason badfuture kris makes me think of chrono trigger's first bad future foray

[ripe harbor]

Edgy Adult Kris from the Gritty Bad Future:

[crimson badger]

NO

[low surge]

This is real Tobe told me so

[ripe harbor]

dread it, run from it, you can't escape The Dark Truth:

only idk the woman on the right would have to be replaced with like. Berdly.

(its Bad Future because Kerdly is canon)

[crimson badger]

smartgrave

[ripe harbor]

it will never not be funny to me just how blatant it is

That One Dev whos too Brandish:

[strange cloud]

Yah that’s

Very blatant

[crimson badger]

yeah wasn't proto deltarune/post UT proto deltarune going to be an action rpg too?

[sharp lodge]

Who is that?

[crimson badger]

varik from brandish iirc

[ripe harbor]

Varik (or 'Ares' in Japanese I guess), protag of Brandish

yeah

famously Toby Fox lifted the character- like, exactly 'this is Varik Brandish' for the Earthbound Halloween Hack

and probably some of the design elements for Kris Deltarune lol

[sour mesa]

the remake redoes the shop UI i think but sharing anyway because this shopkeeper is very pretty
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1166153457309323324/1426704992374358046/bafkreih4tx2i34f3sxty5zyrcytcz3ll6a7mbafhmnrrywiagazzqubtbu.jpg?ex=69014a11&is=68fff891&hm=1fec03f657b8e85d8027bf403ad66abc516702067a0471731bc146d41312c3fb&

[minor merlin]

Waow....

[ripe harbor]

it was mentioned, yeah

that might actually be Undertale's biggest influence on Deltarune

• the sparing system

battle system was considered too iconic to not go with (+ its good)

[sharp lodge]

the second image is so funny
he looks like a grumpy kid

[ripe harbor]

honestly I skimmed his games plots and I get it. He keeps saving the world & then people assume all the horrible destruction caused during the event was his fault (sometimes it is but he had good reasons)

He's got a massive criminal bounty and still has to fight demons. I'd be a little mad too.

[ripe harbor]

and he's still doing this btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXk5mM-TwFU

This Millennial gamedev still references untranslated jrpgs the old-fashioned way

I don't think it means anything but I guess I gotta mention the final boss of this one does appear to be a mass of pinkish-yellow shapeshifting orbs that link together

that one feels more coincidental. But if DR pulls out the bubblegum monster thats where its from ig

https://youtu.be/S14B-1IU3XY?si=0_Yfk0aQnBtAqSiS&t=218

the final boss of the second game has an amazing default attack

||he's just spinning lmao||

it keeps getting me its so goofy

[gilded canopy]

Incorrect. It's Bad Future because Kris abandons their identity and becomes a 100% testosterone-powered dudebro cis male to appease FRIEND (who is transphobic)

…That sentence came out of me like a dark spirit

[low surge]

I kind of like the idea of bad end weird route in part being stripping Kris and Noelle of their queer identities and making them a very gross awful heteronormative couple but among many issues with that (aside from what’s being set up being a lot more interesting) is that the dumb fucks would take that as proof positive that Kris was actually secretly male all along

The truth is that even if Toby Fox came on the screen mid game looked directly into the camera and said “Kris is non-binary their pronouns are they/them they are not a boy and they are not a girl.” Like they all claim they want, these people would still find some way to deny it

Seen so many people say “erm I’ll believe it when Toby officially says it” and like brother no you won’t you’re a piece of shit and transphobic

[sour mesa]

https://bsky.app/profile/tobyfox.undertale.com/post/3m47r2cduwk2n

tobyfox (@tobyfox.undertale.com)

I had a friend play through an early unfinished version of Chapter 5!

Their testimonial was "I am still thinking about it a lot and want to play it more and it's kawaii when toby is worried about if it's good enough"

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Bluesky · Oct 28, 2025, 1:15 AM

[low surge]

chapter 5 is in a (semi)playable state

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-block-tales-hatred-the-air-tingles-with-a-looming-sense-of-dread-gif-2508651108538588172

[low surge]

kawaii
ALPHYS CONFIRMED FOR DARK WORLD COMPANION?!?!?!?!?!?

It’s more likely than you might think

[lusty cypress]

Wild hunt!

[lusty cypress]

Knight is a stack of annoying dogs

[minor merlin]

The Erlkris...

[lusty cypress]

Brandish?

Oh it's a game

[lusty cypress]

"Haunt me, Berdly! But do not leave me alone in this world without you!"

[low surge]

Is this Kerdly?

[lusty cypress]

yes

[lusty cypress]

Erlkris carrying a big box to contain teh block of ice berdly is in
Or just carrying the block

[lusty cypress]

Who

[strange cloud]

Kris shades like that is crazy lol

[ripe harbor]

this is also true tbf

[ripe harbor]

the LEGEND..... the GOAT......

https://www.youtube.com/@HalfBreadChaos

[lusty cypress]

Sounds good
May have seen videos

[ripe harbor]

they made a lot of fairly influential theory videos pretty early after chapter 2. Many of them I think actually were keying onto shit that actually does seem important lmao.

I didn't listen to their warnings

they were cooking......

"ICE-E having plot relevence? Ha, like that would ever happen!" I didn't even know. They were a hero and I just didn't see it.

they ended up having some serious personal troubles recently, unfortunately, which is why they haven't done anything post chapter-3

[strange cloud]

…but he didn’t?

Did I miss the ICE-E secrets in chapter 3/4?

[ripe harbor]

no, but there is a stronger argument for the ICE-E teasers to have been specifically foreshadowing other things

like uhhh ICE-E isn't particularly important...

[strange cloud]

Ohhhh

[ripe harbor]

but they were right to pay attention to the "Burning Eyes" thing

[strange cloud]

Yes

[ripe harbor]

or that they were going insane about ICE-E's apperances as if it was haunting Noelle

ICE-E might not be- but something might

and the ICE-E stuff might be joking-foreshadowing

[ripe harbor]

this is the Latent Homestuck influence I think

Whats with all the "Smiles"...

[strange cloud]

That would make sense, you do have to read homestuck to understand undertale/deltaru- I am shot 50 times

[lusty cypress]

I hate this take

[strange cloud]

It suuuuuucks

[lusty cypress]

No, toby fox didn't put the retroactive history of dark worlds without a long exposition because he expects us to have read homestuck

He has in fact inserted metaphysics that often get understood at first and are elaborated on later

Or shown further

Like chapter 4

[lusty cypress]

Lol, inscryption shit

Anyway, homestuck is a key piece of internet history but dated and not for everyone

[ripe harbor]

mhm

I meant moreso you can definitely feel it as (aesthetic?) influence more in DR than UT, especially in the twisty foreshadowing

[rain lotus]

actually you have to watch homestar runner to understand utdr. actually you don't i just like homestar

[ripe harbor]

you have to play Deltarune to understand Deltarune

[ripe harbor]

and even then I'm not entirely sure....

[low surge]

Many people have proven the contrary

[gilded canopy]

Please do not say that it was true. Dark forces are at work in that idea.

[ripe harbor]

its true as in that would be a Bad End

[ripe harbor]

I actually really liked how this animation varied up Kris' outfits between their usual and the dress without making a huge point of it

like yeah they wear both

[low surge]

(@Rascal_Rose)

[minor merlin]

ant...

Mr. Ant Tenna...

gaster.....

[amber jolt]

Tv tiiiimeeeee

[minor merlin]

Tenna is Gaster theory

[low surge]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-mike-pippin-green-conspiracy-gif-5869661353018453933

[sour mesa]

why do you think he never takes the tv off. that's right, his hands are too full of holes

[minor merlin]

no, silly, it's because he has to use his hands to talk

so he can't spare them to take off the tv

[sour mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/oguri-cap-true-eating-eat-uma-musume-gif-6958309401336282549

[ripe harbor]

why's Wingding walkin around with all that.... TV TIME 🤨 ⁉️

[ripe harbor]

(from @Mallow616)

[rain lotus]

why is he griffith

[ripe harbor]

based on the obama one

[ripe harbor]

found this gif while looking for something else. forgot I had it.

[low surge]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JCyPuMrWeOY

We WILL be seated

[low surge]

That’s just his mom

[rain lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/my-goat-washed-my-goat-is-washed-washed-goat-your-goat-is-washed-mfw-my-goat-is-washed-gif-11435157539877774481

me meanwhile

[amber jolt]

https://www.tumblr.com/artsyrean/798385890324004864/damn-didnt-know-ralsei-had-parents?source=share

ArtsyRean

Damn didn't know Ralsei had parents

-# #deltarune #ralsei #goat

Tumblr · Oct 25, 2025, 1:48 PM

[rain lotus]

YOUR GOAT IS CUTE

BUT

MINE IS CREEPIER

[amber jolt]

Jackenstein moodboard

[clear frost]

It’s spooky time

[lusty cypress]

So, interesting thing

Each dark world had a ruler

And it's generally assumed Gerson was one

But!

The rulers generally are big and imposing
It might be that the Titan retroactively took the position
But what if Jackenstein was "meant" to be the ruler but was just too shy for it?

That's dumb, but I just felt like talking about it

King Jackenstein

[clear frost]

Nonono, I can see the logic

[lusty cypress]

Jackenenstein also has a unique power over darkness that you only see in the titan and titanspawn

Which could make sense for a king of a dark world that exists at night

And will be the birthsite of a Titan

[clear frost]

We’ve been in two dark worlds that have taken place at night, but as far as I know, whatever Seam was warning us of either A. Isn’t real, B. Isn’t as bad as he thought, or C. Hasn’t happened yet

And that last one is what terrifies me. Why would they warn us of darkness in this…way…oh. Oh I just had a thought.

What if fountains formed at night have higher potential to make titans

[lusty cypress]

I mean

Sanctuary had titanspawn before the titan

The creepy figures that chase the gang until gerson turns on the light

[clear frost]

Yyyup that too

Speaking of spawn, what the fuck is up with them?

[timber widget]

Baby :)

[inland hare]

They just wanna circle around at night and dive into the fire

[clear frost]

Like. Will they become titans as well?

[timber widget]

Presumably

[clear frost]

Why do they look like fetuses

Why are there ones in the Titan fight that have different shapes

Why does it say purified

[sour mesa]

when did you become 🎃 long

[clear frost]

When did you start being yourself

Spamton Swaps: spamton in different clothes
Jevil Swaps: GOOD LORDS

[lusty cypress]

Huh
If jackenstein is the ruler
Canto 1-2 weird route ends with the rulers in castle town
3-4 ends with the rulers gone

[clear frost]

Breaking out the inferno I see

[lusty cypress]

Oops

Though yeah

Lemme finish inferno abd then compare with deltarune

[serene loom]

theres also a potential prophetic/retroactive aspect. dark worlds have rulers only when it will make sense for them to. the sanctuaries role in the prophecy doesn't require a ruler, therefore one never existed.

king exists to be dethroned, queen exists to be overcome, tenna exists to be slain.

[lusty cypress]

I see it as the inverse
Since in the prophecy the Titan is the big challenge in sanctuary, jackenstein wasn't allowed to take his seat, so events transpired that he was too shy and ashamed, so he hid in the dark

Really funny my phone suggested attractive instead of ashamed

[lusty cypress]

The dark feels like a primordial sea below the world, bringing things to life

A fountain opening looks like a fire sparking, too

[ripe harbor]

I think the spawn and the titan have an analogous relationship to normal darkners and the fountain

just more rough or unformed

[lusty cypress]

Which contrasts with cold and ice preserving things, but causing stasis

In chapter 5, it's likely fire and breaking stasis are the theme
With asgore having fire magic
And ralsei leaning more into combat and his desires, things he denied himself. Thus, flames of jealousy

[ripe harbor]

Its complete headcanon, but I imagine Dark Sanctuary is 'weird' / lacking a ruler for the same reason its actually able to have Gerson in it. It can't have that same sort of defined backstory for its Darkners- because one of its Darkners is 'supposed' to have not been around the whole time.

[lusty cypress]

Hm

[ripe harbor]

like he doesn't speak about the time he was actually the Hammer, while Lightner Gerson was alive.

He's detached from the history of the objects involved at least a little bit

but I'm not strongly attached to that take & its basically unsupported. Just sort of feels right that its off, if it takes very specific conditions to pattern a darkner off a lightner.

[timber widget]

That makes sense

[ripe harbor]

I really like the Cuptain that lampshades this

[lusty cypress]

Sanctuary does have history, but it's tied in a circle for two parts of it, and the third part exists in connection to the two points of the cyclical history

Besides the encroachment of a darkness so deep, it's inimical to dark worlds as we know them, bringing chaos and titanspawn

[ripe harbor]

It is very interesting how the Darkners for Susie's fountain already exist in Sanctuary 1

does make it all seem almost fated

they were going to exist, so they are already there

[lusty cypress]

The prophecy is foretold by space and time

The twisting of their fabrics is expected

One of my possibilities for the prophecy's mechanism is that past and future are connected, so specific facts must happen to prevent paradoxes

The church has the prophecy not just because it's a church, but because it's so close to the Dark it can touch more of history, thus all the details that are likely missing in modern scripture (We don't have confirmation, but I think it makes sense for the average person to not know the details)

[ripe harbor]

hmm... the Sanctuaries not having a ruler & being based around the Prophecy as a mirror to the prophecy not having a single original author figure?

No specific individual dictating it, instead just reactions and reinterpretations? Like the Darkners who congregate around the glass panels?

Like no one individual is responsible for it

[lusty cypress]

Could work

[ripe harbor]

it does depend on what Gasters whole deal is with it

but the prophecy does read, imo, more as observation than commands

[lusty cypress]

And jackenstein, who feels like a ruler, masks himself and hides in the dark, as an unknown

Like the prophecy being up to interpretation

[ripe harbor]

this last bit could also be why Ralsei has it

might not have been handed it specifically, its just Castle Town / The Grand Fountain is the 'deepest dark'. It might be closest to where the Legend is coming from.

[lusty cypress]

Yeah, you can see the castle rooms are a bit "thin" in existence, and castle town is surrounded by a wasteland covered in eyes and dust
Just like the wasteland around tv world

Spamton and jevil were fought in areas close to the dark too

[ripe harbor]

I've always interpreted the weirdness of Spamton & Jevil's boss arenas as also being shadow crystal related

the Knight also seems to bring its battlefield with it- Gerson doesn't use one, but his arena is the most normal.

[ripe harbor]

I'm curious as to what the difference between the purple-cliff-dust-eyes bits and the cold-frozen-wasteland-stars bits are

Both of them feel like 'unused' or desolate dark places- but then why do they look so different?

What makes something frozen, instead of just dusty & dark?

feels like it'll tie into whatever cold represents overall, stasis is a good one

[lusty cypress]

Domain expansion

[ripe harbor]

I'll add fear for ice

Noelle's a bit of a scaredy cat, some other Ice enemies keep people at a distance (don't form bonds?), The knight has a bit of nightmare theming to it & is fought in the cold.

[ripe harbor]

maybe literally chills, lmao

that ice-y feeling in your gut- terror

[lusty cypress]

Could be the dark world's vibe bleeding into the wastelands too. Since the final area in tv eorld was snowy, and in spite of not being made by the knight, it has such heavy influence from them

One of my theories is that all dark worlds are connected by wastelands, and ralsei navigates them to travel

[lusty cypress]

Ooooh

[ripe harbor]

a lot of the ice-fear stuff is based around Noelle & how her character differs in routes

[minor merlin]

I should play deltarune...

So I can be just as clueless about what the fuck is up with that bunker as i am now

I want to play deltarune so I can be completely lost in an informed way

[ripe harbor]

its notable that in normal route, she ends up ||finding mice cute & nothing to be afraid of by interacting with them in safe contexts||, but ||in weird route she still has that fear- reacts kind of scared when she meets her old babysitter- but hardens her heart. "I'm not scared of you", because she knows she has power.||

||Ice magic, holding onto fear, keeping people at a distance, refusing to let them change you / form bonds. Personal 'strength' through a cold way of looking at the world.||

feels like it could all be connected

[ripe harbor]

🙂‍↕️

& thats also why, since Ice seems to be element 3

I think its combo-element might be 'wind'. Or maybe storm or something idk.

because that shows up in scary contexts (Jevil, the Knight - 'feels like a whirlwind!') or in contexts where its also cold or spooky

but thats pure vibes. Even has that fear association on the last one.

that could be a sick parallel ||if Dess as the knight has a bit of wind theming with the roaring & slashing||. ||Ice/Wind as a pair, one for each of the Holiday sisters||.

[minor merlin]

Wait is Rudy short for Rudolph

[ripe harbor]

ya

the reindeer's names are all puns lmao

[serene loom]

well, more just Christmas references

noelle is literally just french for Christmas

[rain barn]

if there's ever a rudy-related fight and the music isn't called rudy buster I quit

[inland hare]

When will moths be represented in deltarune

[lusty cypress]

Please, sheep

Maybe lightning/holy

Wait

Electric sheep, lamb of god
Holy shit

[ripe harbor]

Elnina's kind of a sheep, right?

[inland hare]

i think her watchers are sheep

sheeple

[lusty cypress]

What

[strange cloud]

This is what they did to Dess

[rain lotus]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1ojdono/october_31_2018/

[crimson badger]

why he look like the Batter

[inland hare]

it's time to Purify

[rain lotus]

batter a gamer

[ripe harbor]

woahj

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4rPQI79rzk

its like some king of..... Halloween Hack....

A ROMHACK of Earthbound that recreates Deltarune Chapter 1 in its entirety
Experience Deltarune as if it were made in the 90's

Available (for free!) October 31st, 2025
See you on Halloween```

very cool

[crimson badger]

...

I haunted myself so now I'm haunting you all

[rain lotus]

it's scary that that's a chapter 2 track

[manic parrot]

sorry necroposting but like

i'll believe it when Toby officially says it
my brother in Christ he made the game
did you think it was an accident that literally the entire cast consistently refers to Kris as they/them?
Toby just did a little oopsie with the script?

some people, man

[sour mesa]

"I am neutral on these things."

[strange cloud]

Famously

[ripe harbor]

gadster.....

[low surge]

Deltarune AU where you play as Dess about to head out to college and Kris is the one that went missing

[ripe harbor]

ok but the Roaring Knight Equivalent has to have fucked up dog-werewolf symbolism & I'm sold

[crystal shale]

They're wearing a fursuit

[low surge]

Bet

Having more of a horror slant to it is cool

Teen/young adult Dess being haunted by the fucked up ghost of their 10 year old best friend

[lusty cypress]

Kris plays Path of Beast in Trench Crusade

[ripe harbor]

instead of the

its got the

[low surge]

🔥 🔥 🔥

[lusty cypress]

Actually, what does everyone main in wargames

[ripe harbor]

and I guess instead of the light snow theming it'd have fire? To match the Dreemurrs?

[lusty cypress]

Arson

[ripe harbor]

oh you know what actually-

👀

[ripe harbor]

yeah instead of the knight-as-is being this aura farming skilled fighter it'd be more of a feral child

[lusty cypress]

Maleghast
Susie goregrinders
Ralsei abhorrers
Trench crusade
Susie and kris path of beast
Ralsei new antioch?

Wh40k I dunno

[low surge]

Susie plays Nids for kaiju

[lusty cypress]

Oh true

[low surge]

Krisknight I would see being a lot more unhinged and dangerous absolutely

[ripe harbor]

& you know what give them a reference to Asgore's eye flash attack, only with their red eye

idk how you'd do it, but like how TRK has the hypergoner / starstorm reference ult. Give hypothetical Kris-related one an asgore reference

[low surge]

https://tenor.com/view/gunnawritingthatheatlmao-gif-18603548

[low surge]

Current hyperfixation after finish Undertale Yellow is what Deltarune Yellow would look like

[timber widget]

https://www.tumblr.com/radicaldreemurrs/798818750067605504

THE CAGE, WITH HUMAN SOUL AND PARTS!

🔁 entryno17

THE HOLIDAYS

Tumblr · Oct 30, 2025, 8:28 AM

[low surge]

I am a firm believer in Brazilian Rudy

[crimson badger]

I see the vision

[delicate cave]

🇧🇷udy

[rain lotus]

stumbled into this thing in the dark in our house and had to turn the flash on only to see the eyes are not the same color

Foe

[clear frost]

A close call

[lusty cypress]

What abno ego would esch character wear...

[clear frost]

Jevil gets Nihil

[lusty cypress]

Lol true

Kris pinocchio?

[clear frost]

Feels like it checks out

[lusty cypress]

Or spamton

[clear frost]

I wanna say that feels too obvious

[lusty cypress]

Okay, get a cat abno for spamton

Tenna is happy teddy bear

Ralsei hornet?

[clear frost]

Ye

What does gerson get

[inland hare]

Efloresced ego

Either that or Rabbit/Duck

[clear frost]

Nah, he manifested EGO

[inland hare]

Yeah

Efloresced Ego

[clear frost]

But legit yeah Rabbit Duck makes sense I think

[lusty cypress]

Time duck

So everlasting

[clear frost]

Do you think Gerson would have Tremor skills?

[lusty cypress]

Gerson hitting with the tremor

[clear frost]

SAME BRAINCELL

[lusty cypress]

Reverb everlasting nuke

[inland hare]

Snow Queen for mayor

[clear frost]

Noelle…

[timber widget]

What are you talking about

[clear frost]

What EGOs deltarune characters would use

[timber widget]

What are those

[clear frost]

Project Moon stuff

[timber widget]

Aha, ty

[lusty cypress]

Regret Susie and everlasting gerson doing a combo

Ralsei, hm

Oh susie could use cobalt scar too

Servant of wrath ego spamton

Lasso ralsei

[inland hare]

Fits the fatalism

Or maybe not really

Since he’s trying to break fate

[sharp lodge]

i think he would like to but doesn't think it's possible

[strange cloud]

Seems to be yah

He gives advice to avoid a band ending chapter 1

Buy by chapter 4 he’s completely resigned

[lusty cypress]

Band ending sounds cool

Pursuance ralsei
Since heavenly scribe just jots down and goes along with scripture and command

That roly poly ego, something inertia, for susie

[rain lotus]

my sister has no clue where it came from she just has it

i

[inland hare]

Nothing There for Susie

[lusty cypress]

Kqe for ralsei, too

[lusty cypress]

"This is so cool!"

[inland hare]

“Since when did you start being you”

Also makes nothing there fits Kris

[lusty cypress]

Look of the day noelle

[inland hare]

Paradise Lost You

[lusty cypress]

Forsaken murderer boss fight with freedom motif

[inland hare]

Anyways to bring this discussion more into deltarune uh when did we become aware that we are distinct from our avatar

Is that the moment when we became us

[lusty cypress]

I mean, it is a deltarune discussion, but ok

[lusty cypress]

"You can't choose who you are in this world"

Plus the part gaster says your goner won't know your opinion about them

[strange cloud]

Depending on what happened to Dess, the knight kinda like a distortion

[inland hare]

Factually incorrect anyways

Once we exterminate everyone and thus become an unobserved being we will have maximum freedom to be whatever we want

[crimson badger]

that just brainblasted me with connecting wave function collapse to the whole "dark as possibility, light as definition, bonds as definition"

you are free therefore you are undefined, unconstrained by even your own limits and self

(maybe "you are free()" could fit in too?)

[ripe harbor]

this might be cancellable but I always saw berdly as kind of hispanic

mostly because I had a hispanic friend in high school who was like. exactly like berdly and I guess he imprinted into my head.

"What does 'kind of hispanic' mean?" idk I didn't think about it. Berdly fillipino fuck it.

[ripe harbor]

there is a lot of digital information / information procession and signalling motifs going on with the . I'm holding at least some space that its literalizing computer processes ('pointed tail' -> pointer (object)? Stores a memory address, null-pointer that points towards 'Nowhere'? etc)

[inland hare]

If you kill a deer but nobody is there to witness it

Is the deer truly dead

[crimson badger]

gaster is a dogshit programmer theory: titans are a Double-Free, RK is Use-After-Free

[ripe harbor]

In the usual case, a pointer is large enough to hold more addresses than there are units of memory in the system. This introduces the possibility that a program may attempt to access an address which corresponds to no unit of memory, because not enough memory is installed (i.e. beyond the range of available memory), refered to as a segmentation fault (segfault).
A segmentation fault occurs when a program attempts to access a memory location that it is not allowed to access, or attempts to access a memory location in a way that is not allowed (for example, attempting to write to a read-only location, or to overwrite part of the operating system).

like yeah that is kinda what happens with Gaster, right

he's an invalid object. If you reference him, you crash.

[crimson badger]

he's a memory outside the system

[ripe harbor]

The memory is unable to be accessed. Its lost. Its forgotten.

The system may reallocate the previously freed memory, and if the program then dereferences the (now) dangling pointer, *unpredictable behavior may result*, as the memory may now contain completely different data.```

they show up when something is removed / deleted, but traces of it still stick around

[crimson badger]

sounds like a certain tree

[ripe harbor]

^

not to mention that 'roots' show up in data structures all the time.

I mean its also just a super common metaphorical word & has influenced a ton of fields

but.... idk. With all the memory & programming & signal stuff, that might be an intentional sort of connection. Both the Roots songs so far do have the words 'Digital' and 'Bit' in them.

[crimson badger]

and also datamining as an intended part of the experience

[ripe harbor]

Garbage is generally classified into two types: syntactic garbage, any object or data which is within a program's memory space but unreachable from the program's root set; and semantic garbage, any object or data which is never accessed by a running program for any combination of program inputs. Casually stated, syntactic garbage is data that cannot be reached, and semantic garbage is data that will not be reached.```

the person in the code who seems to be speaking as if trapped? labelled UNUSED

[crimson badger]

ominous

[ripe harbor]

referenced directly by Spamton, a connection to garbage data, and garbage noise.

[ripe harbor]

that a lot of this bug & junk data stuff is also seemingly related to who is seemingly-related to the secret bosses makes me think this one might be intention too

lots of 'Free' going on there

if theres a connection to the weird route involved,

than yeah, this is something that is alterating the execution of 'DELTARUNE' in a way that seems unintended by its 'creator'.

its a programming bug(?)

[strange cloud]

I just saw the first few words of this message without context and thought this was meant to be rouxl’s Gaster evidence because he pulled out a laser pointer

[ripe harbor]

a man between..... there is a man between.....

[strange cloud]

So fucking true

[crimson badger]

that's such a

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-mike-pippin-green-conspiracy-gif-5869661353018453933

but at the same time its a man between light and dark (sort of, if you squint A LOT)

[ripe harbor]

I think legit more people should incorporate sprtinybug into their guesses as to whats going on with the pink and yellow

this thing

They pop out the chests in the junk-data mansion basement. the question is- why? Why do they have that color scheme?

[crimson badger]

baby FRIENDs

[ripe harbor]

If thats a 'tiny bug' in the data, what would a bigger bug look like?

yeah basically

idk if this is the answer either. But I don't really see people trying to answer this question at all normally, this is about the best I got.

they are kinda cutes

it was just born and has no thoughts

[ripe harbor]

Lanino does deal star type damage, same as the Knight, lmao

in terms of completely unhinged speculation,

the root word for digit-al and bit (binary digit) is finger. Hands?

Binary computer code as 'speaking in digits', speaking in 'hands'?

🤷‍♂️

[crimson badger]

what if deltarune opening different games is to do a meta game classic of opening and moving around a secondary window for deep dark/gaster nonsense

(or that one horror game where a character walks from outside the screen to merc you)

[ripe harbor]

people are going to flip their shit when a character other than Gaster shows knowledge of other saves

[crimson badger]

and for some reason its berdly

[ripe harbor]

when berdly starts using his gamer scouter to learn your attack patterns in between attempts

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[ripe harbor]

I do actually think 'Friend' is going to do this if it gets a proper introduction

or something similar

weird format fuckery. Everything on the screen starts getting covered in choppy static except the weirdly fluid cat sprite that walks towards you or something

idk. Photoshop flowey was freaky enough and now he's got the team and the budget

[crimson badger]

and photoshop flowey was tuned back from something else

[ripe harbor]

it was?!?

[crimson badger]

iirc toby said that photoshop flowey was gonna be more extreme but it would have been jumping the shark

I need to find it tho because this was years of years ago back during my og undertale brainrot

please let it just be link rot this cannot be a false memory it feels too grounded for that

I can't find any grounding for it
I refuse to accept this as a fake memory

[rain lotus]

i dunno abt gamewise but there were a lot of scrapped faces and some of them made it into the anniversary shitpost

they were all kinda goofy

[lusty cypress]

Segmentation fault, my old enemy

[lusty cypress]

Trees are a known data structure
Can be used to make storing and finding data easy in some algorithms
Like the red black binary tree

[lusty cypress]

Yeah
Freeing up memory
When you play around with dynamically allocating memory for data structures in C, you allocate and free memory as you go

[low surge]

Filipino Birdly is so real tho

[ripe harbor]

Not only are uninitialized variables a frequent cause of bugs, but this kind of bug is particularly serious because it may not be reproducible: for instance, a variable may remain uninitialized only in some branch of the program. In some cases, programs with uninitialized variables may even pass software tests, only later being used to leak arbitrary memory or to achieve arbitrary memory overwrite or to gain code execution, depending on the case. ```

when you code so ass you accidentally make a demon

[lusty cypress]

Lol

I know the feel

[ripe harbor]

its notable too that Deltarune, or at least the Gonermaker, uses 'Egg' as a default error handler

the Forgotten Man's eggs, the noelle glitch hunting blog egg, they are programming errors

[lusty cypress]

Toby putting all his frustration with code into the game plot

[ripe harbor]

Honestly this could even be why Spamton has the pipis / egg association

Eggs are errors- he's error guy. Of course he makes '''Eggs'''.

this lens reminds me quite a lot of MissingNo, too. A 'creature' caused by issues in memory storage and (potentially) deleted data, that you can bring forward by doing some very specific steps to break the programming.

"You threw the Bad Memory away. But it came back."

actually,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_(computing)

isnt this a thing?

hidden background programs as 'demons'?

If Device theory is cooking at all this is my suspicion for where it would all go, imo

[timber widget]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1374038933641363506/1433574703741669549/G4iChdsWUAAjF6h.jpg?ex=69052ffb&is=6903de7b&hm=ff83554a20436edfec216351e80ed53b7bca49c1779a0ac6016132bea9c49546&=&format=webp&width=461&height=461

[low surge]

Molly eternally vindicated

[strange cloud]

Device theory undefeated

It’s insane how immediately in chapter 3 we went into another layer of fiction deeper in the dark worlds where suddenly it didn’t feel as bad hurting these characters because they felt less real

[crimson badger]

I might have been hijacked but my first exposure to sword route was going "this is intensely wrong" and trying to abort the moment I realized the monsters didn't start fighting back until I aggressed

[low surge]

Fangamer is sold out so we making our own shirt

[low surge]

I actually yelped when I killed the HERO_AXE and HERO_SCARF characters because I didn’t know you could do that or were supposed to

I didn’t even notice how Kris looks away

I was so shocked

[sour mesa]

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[ripe harbor]

I, uh, didn't realize they didn't fight back at first until someone told me

oopsie

(I mean, the goat ones in the fake-basement, sure. but not the board 1 ones)

I was just going "Yippie zelda woohoo yeah!" and then. The Horror.

[rain lotus]

I only got part 2 on my first playthrough so I was like "wtf was that lmao"

and then I went back and did it on weird route

That afternoon was

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[low surge]

I was texting a friend who had already finished 3 asking them if I just did the weird route by accident lol