#Undertale and Deltarune
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glad more people are talking about this, or at least reads closer to this
"Kris is meaningfully different from 'usual' humanity in some way" seems like one of the more likely crack theories, in that it would click in very neatly with a lot of the vague mystery stuff & forms a strong parallel with Darkners in general
as well as providing an answer for 'why is their relationship to the Soul so odd compared to any other character'
wow it even has the fancy wrods
what musical stings do you think play here
sped up version of the quiz theme and then abrupt discordant piano chord
I can see an extremely bitcrushed scare/shock chord (maybe even a synth voice), a beat, and an audience reaction before continuing
it fits neatly with a lot of our meanderings here I think, or at least mine, would be really messed up and feed to their fears of being used up if the soul IS the soul they were meant to have because its out Soul, and just now manchurian activated to execute deltarune
there would be no soul they were getting back and no fallback, and if connection is lost do they keep living with the Soul as theirs, or do we leave, soul and all?
this game broke my brain i was listening to unrelated sludge metal and thought "huh there's a lot of ocean imagery here i think it's pretty knightcoded" and then realized what i was saying
I was listening to shadows rising from stranger of paradise and thought "yknow this is pretty kris-coded"
Cutting deep through the skin of my dignity
I find myself, I lose myself
I'm looking for something to hold on to in the darkness```
@ripe harbor
lol
chara pap and rory too
Literally me
You know, "you can't choose who you are in this world" really applies to kris and the player
The question of self specially, as kris seems worried about the intersection of their will and the soul's
bitcrushed gunshot or maybe a johnny test whip crack
though audience gasp is really good too
going back to this humans are such an enigma to the dreemurrs that I could totally buy Toriel thinking human children start off gray before getting 'colored in'
Asgore Is Banging Gaster Theory
It’s me! Your eggs-royal scientist!
If I was Kris and both my parents were cracking Sans I’d start the roaring myself
yeah I really like how it would serve to underline their fears and concerns. What if they were actually 'intended' to be a blank slate, and their personhood is accidental or an uneeded byproduct
Would it make them any less of a person?
What makes someone a human - is it the soul? Is Kris meaningfully 'human' without us?
is it the parts? Is the vessel a complete and full human person too, regardless of where we come in?
When did you start being yourself?
I think one place a lot of gaster-y device theories fail is not being meaningfully situated in the world itself
like - ok. Gaster built a 'device' to connect us, sure: where. What did he build in the world / setting he exists within to create that.
DEVICE_KRIS
HERO_SWORD
I wasn't even thinking on those lines but thats interesting
I mean moreso it becomes indistinguishable from just assuming Gaster as a literal wizard
I do really like this theory yeah
he cast 'GonerMake'
If you want to situate the device stuff as existing within the fiction, given the claims, I think you gotta at least consider its origins as existing there too
I think it would be an interesting twist if Kris was the Vessel, but they became their own person through the love and care of others
wait, what happens if a monster already capable of magic, gets exposed to dark world magic?
Which makes our possession of them all the worse
well, I guess the single example we have is W.D. Gaster, so
Console commands
you reach outside the bounds outside your bounds
It would definitely fit the underlying themes that keep cropping up in the solo Kris sections
lock-in on a video game enough, the game 'becomes' real. Color in copies, they become indistinguishable from the originals.
Find someone whos 'just' emails come to life, decide their personhood matters still
care enough about something, and no matter its unreality its importance cannot be denied
The interesting thing is what the Burning Eyes boss sort of implies
care about something enough - look at it hard enough - and its reality can't be denied. Even if you want it to be.
You can't put the nightmares back in the box.
Hell it’s kind of perfectly emblematic of UDTR as a whole and how it has so much life outside of its bounds through the community
I mean the entire speech at the end of the anniversary stream after all
Toby may have created the games, but it’s the love of those outside of it that have made it what it is
actually wouldn't be surprised if this is the 'power' of the soul Gaster is interested in, as well
the ability to make things real
yeah, I am fully convinced the community layer is an explicitly intentional part of interacting with the text/metatext in DR
(and maybe apply that to 'fate' as well? Tilt / force specific outcomes?)
anime IS real......
Always was
Gaster's Roaring
I think the timeloop theories might have a point, but not nessasarily in an actual time loop sense
I just could believe that "shattered across time" W.D. "related to Save files" Gaster might be sending the soul 'back' in some way
The world is covered in darkness in endings where you give up, it could've already happened in some way
each chapter strengthening your connection, allowing you to reach a little further along
...Iterating through Deltarunes to find His
Perhaps you just haven't remembered that you have, yet
HM... ACTUALLY, THERE ARE STILL DINOSAURS... IS IT MIXED UP?```
Is it the future, or is it the past, or does the difference really matter when everything gets indistinct enough
so i'm sure ya'll know about the theory that ramb was "supposed" to be the secret boss of chapter 3 but the knight didn't get there in time
i think i've already said that i don't like it
but i do think a small part of it might be true
which is that ramb isn't a secret boss because kris made the fountain
but not for the reason that that theory says so
we know from chapter 4 that fountains are influenced by the people who make them, look at the difference between susie's fountain and the other 2
and we know the knight made the fountains in chapter 1, 2, and most of the fountains in chapter 4
which means that the knights thoughts and feelings probably influenced those dark worlds
and those 3 chapters are the only ones to have a secret boss with themes of freedom
i think that freedom might be more of a hangup for the knight than kris, given that they take the soul back every time they remove it, so they're at least willing to endure our presence to accomplish their goal
also, i think that kris's freakout after the pacifist end to the spamton neo fight might relate more to the knight than themself, at least if this theory is accurate
because what ever literal or metaphorical strings might control the knight, the implication is that freeing the knight from their situation will lead to their death
and we know the knight is someone important to kris, and their situation is likely a cause for guilt for them
They're also unhappy with what traps them, given their reactions whenever they're torn between Susie and Mysterious Phone Voice
but it could definitely also mirror the knight
especially if Spamton & the Shelter (aka the Knight) end up connected to 
Damn you know what I never considered that
yeah instead you get Ramb whos an unmemorable outcast outsider who never properly fit into their home until they unceremoniously get used up and dissappear & nobody cares at all in the slightest
moral: Kris is british
||and not alright||
I was wondering the other day is part of Kris' angst with the secret boss quests is that it implies a Soul that is curious and seeking deeper answers
which, they're working to run whatever's going on with the conspiracy
which at least partially seems like its based on tricking the soul
Ramb was just theory bait duh
So called fans of Toby not realizing that he was clearly criticizing the theories they like when making meta characters
Toby dislikes your theories and yours specifically!!!!!!!!!
SHUT THE FUCK UUUUPPPPPP!!!!!!
having trouble putting this into words but
i think there's something there with ramb being like, the outward facing part of kris's issues
and eram being the stuff that's more internal
and how eram ends up being the secret boss despite not being the guy who keeps talking about freedom
I agree
though I didn't bring them up as directly because it doesn't quite seem like Eram was made with Kris' Dark Fountain
at the very least, the Shadow Mantle was taken before TV World was created. Though Dark Worlds are already kind of acausal
like how the chapter 4 Darkners for Susie's fountain already exist in the first sanctuary, just as statues.
kris' biggest outward facing issue is being british
Fatal flaw
my theory
realizing I might be too deep into ttrpgs with odd gay people that I forgot this might not be common knowledge 💀
it'd be a pretty good pun
though I think Wyrd is pronounced closer to 'word'
cognate with Urd / Urdr
dunno how to read IPA but wiktionary points to 3 pronunciations https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wyrd
and both word and weird being homophones
although the old english one seems to be more on the u side
how ||strange||...
||odd|| indeed
saw someone reply to this with the comment that "Dess" short for December can also stand for "Destiny" and honestly?
let them cook
👀
thats one of those reads that I'm not staking high confidence in yet but. Check on it after the whole things done see how it plays out.
Uhhh… maybe?
I dont think its particularly meaningful yet
but UT does fucked up things with names. I straight up don't believe 'Serial Murderer' was intentional, sorry

I could see it as possibly true, if December Holiday ends up representing 'the way things have to be' as the knight or whatever
It may not be intentional
But it does go hard
in the same way I doubt the Weird Route is named that after the old english word for fate
but idk. maybe it is.
I dont even know about that lol
Like Asriel wouldn’t make that?
true.....
An unfortunate aspect of Asriel’s character that needs to be acknowledged to understand him
Dreemurr rearranging to Murderer feels appropriate for the initial Asgore reveal
Is that he would absolutely make a Jeff the killer OC
we've got Toriel warning about Asgore, Papyrus saying "oh I'm sure King Dreemurr will help"
and then the twist that nope they're the same guy
you're not getting help
Yah especially with how it’s an extremely weird spelling otherwise
As like, it’s just a misspelling of Dreemurr
The two rs really make me think it
Because like, the more natural spelling is Dreemure
It’s still phonetically dreamer while not reusing the same letter twice
Asriel->Serial isn't necessarily a "this is the source of the name," there's plenty of other reasons to propose
but i can at least imagine Toby thinking "huh that does rearrange to that"
"neat"
Yah
Its a little alien to me but I don't tend to put a super huge amount of thought into character names when I make them
Oh same
I never assumed Kris or Susie had particular reasons to their names
Most I do is name shit after stuff
but idk Toby could be built different there I'd believe it
I can get a little finicky with titles or chosen names because those have characterization involved (what does it say about them to self-describe as X instead of Y)
but not as much in a meta sense
Undertale Nominative Determinism theory 
he killed those kids because his name was Murderer.....
actually if i really want to get speculative
i think it's most likely that Asgore and Toriel were named after Asriel
Which makes acronym puns on "Asriel Dreemurr" significantly more likely than if his name came second
i remember hearing about this in high school english class lol
it comes up during the beowulf curriculum i think
tbh kris feels really apt
a kris is a sacred possessed dagger
I've always wondered how this plays into Ralse(i) as a name being older than Asriel, according to Toby
did he name Asriel after Ralsei, or did he change Ralse's spelling to add the I later when it was nearly a match?
weird guy with weird forbidden name techniques
"if you rearrange this guy's name you get the angel of death" idk
why is ralsei named after the angel of death 
obviously its because ralsei is the deltarune actually
It sputtered in a voice like crushed glass.
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Lore accurate
I think we need to discuss if Divorce is an element in Deltarune and what its effects are
The bonds you break may make you stronger
Theres also Tenna's whole thing where he mirrors Asgore in some ways (only other character that calls Toriel 'Tori', I think, at least in DR) and also deals with fear of irrelevance and being discarded
(which ironically causes him to self isolate by driving all his workers away with his desperation)
probably similar to Asgore doubling down on his 'investigation' at the expense of his personal life
(Also old man yaoi)
true
Good catch
Old Man Yaoi with rudy COULD fix Asgore, so we can conclude yaoi WOULD fix Tenna 

keep making those noses kiss
I do wonder though what that means for dear old dad if he keeps paralleling the very very super doomed people
I'm kind of excited to see the flowers not because of the whole
human soul trait thing
but because a lot of the major darkners so far parallel important adult characters (like Queen to Noelle being similar to her implied issues with her mom)
so
I want to see if Asgore's surrogate family in the flowers he literally talks to instead of real people mirror Toriel or Kris or whoever
Asriel
seems fun
he's so cooked
from either direction - I don't get the feeling he's aware of Kris' role in the conspiracy stuff
God please I can only handle feeling so bad for Asgore
Yeah
I think he’s involved in it but I doubt he knows the full scope
Tunnel visioned as he is on getting things back to the way they used to be, I can’t imagine a scenario where Asgore would willingly endanger Kris
It’s why I personally am banking on no Asgore boss fight, at least not of his own free will
also would be a good plot beat to raise the stakes I think
Tenna was kind of the first main-story unskippable Darkner getting injured
Asgore getting seriously injured even in the Light World, after important plot stuff goes down? I could see it
Yeah
probably not dead, but maybe worse than Berdly's optional arm thing
Berdly is the only case we’ve really seen of actual physical harm transferring to the Light World
I guess Noelle too with the thorn
But no way that isn’t set up to not appear again
And of course parallels to Undertale with Asgore only surviving in true pacifist
Didn’t even know about it my first time because I always do pacifist so I freed Berdly
Back when chapter 2 was released, that + the encounter with Spamton Neo changing the computer check text was stuff that got me 👀
because the implication for me, immediately, was like ok
burned arms and crashed computers are one thing
but whats the upper limit?
Fantastical things can happen in the dark worlds, and cause actual change in the Light World... thats big! thats scary!
The church kind of followed through on this, its completely trashed after your fight with the Titan
same with Tenna breaking ofc
this makes me feel that Asgore will Fall Down or near Fall Down after getting Swooned bad after attempting to be the cavalry for Kris
Toby writes in such a way that I can only assume he was once a teenage lesbian daughter of divorce
its not a strictly one way relationship, is I guess what my takeaway was
I’m banking on Asgore v Knight
it would go a long way to replenishing his critically low aura-supplies
I saw a neat art piece where like the knight impales Asgore as hes manic that he’s finally found Dess and like man that would go insane
Asgore nation lock in our goat is not yet washed
Buy Asgore stocks now folks
Me when the knight is about the start the roaring, the whole party lies defeated, they're laughing as they raise their knife - and from off-screen, a lone voice:
And don't forget me, your eggs-police chief!
I’m telling you
“Get away from them you bitch” floors his truck into the knight
Trust the process
Im interested to see how his arc goes emotionally
because like: he is isolating himself, he refuses to let his case go, he thinks he can make it right if he just solves it
but he's right. He's one of the characters most trying to 'find her'
Is his desire to put his family back together by going back in the past any different from the idea that bringing Dess back will magically make everything good again?
Is it going to challenge Kris or Carol or whoevers choices?
So much of his character is rooted in the past, in events we never get to see. Which like sounds dumb because that’s all characters but for him the past is absolutely essential
Here’s my thing right, I feel like if he does find hard evidence of what happens to Dess, and does somehow convince Toriel
I do wonder
I feel like it’s key that the family remains broken
ya
Police sacrifice of course could mean Undyne, but I mean Asgore was the police chief
Oh yeah even if he’s totally right about everything and Toriel at least forgives him they’re not getting back together
(its for the same reason I don't think Dess, if she is the roaring knight, should go back to her old self completely, at least by the end of the game. It should stick with her if she even makes it out)
at least emotionally? She should be clearly affected by what happened: you can't just ignore and undo all that
irreversibly changed but capable of moving on is my happy ending headcanon
Unironically I do kinda feel like if there’s one way Dess to come back, it’ll be via the weird route. Don’t ask me why. It’s just the vibe right now
bold but I respect it
or if she does go back she goes back and is teenage dess, age and memories from just before The Incident, stuck in a world she doesn't know, and with almost everyone having passed her by
I could see the shadow crystals also giving her closure, but idk it that'll be happy ending or just 'she regains her identity and talks to Kris before dying as herself'
you know. like Mother 3.
Oh yah even in my hypothetical “Dess comes back in the weird route” it should feel wrong and like something is bubbling you don’t quite know under the surface
Divorces don’t just come out of nowhere, and while I don’t remember if it’s ever described how Toriel and Asgore were in DR, if UT parallels apply they were basically perfect for each other. So whatever precipitated that falling out had to be bad and even if Toriel realizes “yeah Asgore wasn’t crazy he was just trying to help” noting is gonna undo that
If I were to give like, an actual reason
It’s because the weird route focuses so much on the idea of nostalgia and returning things to how they should be with Kris and Noelle, that it just kinda fits that idea that Dess is also “made how she should be”
Kris and Noelle have so much history that makes it kinda clear, they were always sorta, expected to get together you know?
The stuff about the Ferris wheel especially
versus accepting the Knight as a person capable of new & worthwhile relationships? interesting
Ferris wheels mean romance in this game, and Kris and Noelle riding one as kids, especially one Noelle now looks back on as “forced” makes me feel like it was something that was always assumed was gonna happen eventually, if only for Dess’s disappearance
I think theres something too in the way the Weird Route might be encouraging Noelle to be more like the Knight? If its the only way the bring Dess back (and wrongly) it could be following what Dess thinks would work (and then showing why it wouldn't, really)
And now, in the weird route, we’re continuing that relationship
By force
Ergo, the one thing that stopped them from that relationship, Dess’s disappearance, needs to be fixed first
That’s just the vibe though
its always the past, it feels so nice that its the past, haunting everyone, changing everyone

I like how this read hooks onto the constant struggle with identity and fate all the main cast has, too
the past as a weight that determines your life and future
already they're all dealing with issues based on what they or other people assume 'should be' true. Desire to turn back the clock plays right into that
trapped by the shadow of the past, trapped by the shadow of prophecy, trapped by the expectations and people currently in your life
Also, this is more tenuous, the weird route already reduces characters to stock RPG roles
And like, Dess kinda is a damsel in distress
She’s the one also causing distress
But she’s also very much a character who in an otherwise stock story, is in need of saving
Like some kinda, cursed sister in dragon blazers
forced to dragon blaze,
born to blaze my shitty teenage weed stash with my garage band
😔
born to deltarune, forced to dragon blaze
gaster crashout when instead of deltarune we recreate one of its derivatives
Turns out Gaster just really hates dragon blazers
he didn't like the changes made to lord of the hammer
internets down in the town because he felt like he had to respond to Alphys' shitty video game forum takes
but forgot to swap his username
Lol
But also yah I feel like that’s such a core aspect to the game in general but the weird route in specific
logged in as gaster, accidentally causes the prophecy, instead of astral projecting into library bird
'derivatives' and reinterpretation are another big, big theme I think is slept on
The weird route is like, a rejection of change
not just re-interpretation of stories, but the way pretty much every piece of fiction in fiction is derivative
It’s doing so much to do nothing at all
Everything needs to stay stagnant, and the same, and frozen
but its 'yours'
exerting control on a narrative by reducing it to stock paint-by-numbers tropes
peeps seem to be more aware now that we're post anniversary stream era, can't help but feel DR will never be quite right to gaster because we're there making it ours either within the bounds, or breaking out of them, the original is still a derivation (which you can even argue on a meta point if you go through the memetic genealogy of "??? background psychogoop > fever dream > DR Proto > UT > DR > Us playing DR"), and any attempt to go back to it only creates a copy
to remember a memory is to necessarily overwrite it
I'll even go further: I don't think the game even puts stock in the idea of 'originals'
its like everythings a copy, and then it doubles down on that not meaning it isn't 'real'?
I think about the Old Man a lot regarding that
How I didn't quite catch it at the time, but if Susie was trying to copy his letter in her version, he wrote it from the perspective of a bystander who knew Alvin's father but isn't him
How he never says he wrote Lord of the Hammer, how he never calls himself Gerson Boom, and the way the community at large treats him. Sometimes even inventing new special metaphysical categories for him!
there is an infinity of possibility literally trying and bubble out, you (the fiction), objectively, are not only not real, but one of infinity, but you still matter, because you matter to me, as do the other fictions that bubble out
He's a copy. He's Gerson in wants, and how he acts, and what he knows: but he's a copy.
He's a Darkner, unambigiously.
I love the Old Man, the Knight clearly cherished him, and the Gerson that came out is not really the person that was there, but all the warm memories of the beloved teacher and writer + darkner memories
but how do people develop themselves, anyway? Its all relationships and environment
so you're saying we put titans and titanspawn on pens until they stop being mean (only half joking)
Memories = copies (or perceptions in general being 'copies' of the world) is someplace I could see it going
this is hopefully what purifying them does lol
hopefully
I think a titanspawn thats just not mean would probably be a Darkner
but thats just speculation as to what's going on with all that
Titanspawn being little dark blobs without identity, Darkners being 'shadows' that definitely have an identity (and a specific role in the world, being patterned off / reflecting real objects)
like darkness coalescing into the memory of the world and the things in it and becoming distinct from the ink and from each other, stabilized by a fountain, and if not a fountain of pure dark, tinted by the engendering lightner's will
And fears, worries, trauma, intrusive thoughts & all the rest can sneak into someones perception of the world unnoticed, and shape their memories
Re persistent harm to darkners, it's interesting how the attack on Tenna translated to his screen being smashed and antenna broken
Wonder what that will mean for the pumpkin decoration
...Okay chances are it's just smashed. Forgot the worst thing that happens to Jackenstein is he falls and that those black puffballs aren't chasing you there
I'm so glad that everyone is doing this type of joke they're so good
genuinely I still think "the deal was made with tenna ch1" is the funniest possible theory. the knight is hovering ominously in the living room issuing threats to an inanimate tv. the TV is playing late night infomercials. kris is on the couch steadily working their way through the whole pie while occasionally offering a quick "yeah what they said" to try to back the knight up
skryle
tv: just happy to be involved
-# #deltarune #op i cackle and lock in #the roaring knight #kris dreemurr #my art #fanart #crack #this is the only theory everyone please leave
it def was
what else explains Kris putting the plug back in, in the middle of the night?
I find it funny that The Roaring Knight has an upside down pyramid for an ass
went back to this because I had idle thoughts on snowgrave + the snowstorm +
this
feels like a false positive but also the idea of an unfathomably strong spell in a dark world causing something akin to a localized ice age for a short period
and the jumbling of future and past, and the possibility of the listed events being in opposite order of description
brain keeps getting snagged here but I can't see much coming from this (other than reinforcing Dark with Deep with Water + The Roaring)
it doesn't feel like even if it was something it'd have much information to reveal/contextualize and yet
I think its probably describing broadly, and vaguely enough to not specifically say much, the Roaring
theres already very, very strong evidence for lots of ice coming up
yeah, its just that my brain feels snagged on it as if there was more but that's all I can resolve
you can read into 'dinosaurs' as referring to Susie if you want. but theres nothing particularly pointing to that, besides the other two statements seeming to relate to the main plot (so Dinosaurs still 'being there' might as well)
besides lizard-people existing at all being why he probably says "wait nvm theres still dinosaurs."
I think the order of events / time being mixed up is probably connected to all the other things that get mixed up or rearranged
like Spamton quoting UNUSUED in his shop, the Forgotten Man is taking information from elsewhere
Chapter 5 there's just jarringly a photorealistic t-rex like in Mario Odyssey
Festival Ice cream
Yum
susies dad reveal.....
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Finally getting near the end of my planned covers from ...
saw someone drop their take that chapter 4 had the worst music the other day and my immediate thought was "but guardian tho"
SUCH a banger
I think they should be put to death for badmouthing Sanctuary
also true
they specifically said only third sanctuary was alright lol
but you need the build up! the later song's payoffs work because they were set up!
Guardian is better because you had Ever Higher, Crumbling Tower, and Sanctuary to cue up the dunk!
absolutely! those songs build on each other in a way that's really cool!
I'm also a big fan of the everpresent bell-ringing in chapter 4
Dark Sanctuary, Crumbling Tower (and I think Guardian?), Hammer of Justice- lots of ringing
which makes sense. Its a church lol.
but I like how they rachet up in intensity for the climactic songs, really feels like its do-or-die
I dont think I could pick worst chapter for music either btw
it'd be like picking 'worst gourmet meal' man idk. Its all tasty.
I might've said 3 right after playing it, but its grown on me a lot after I learned just how many ways Tenna's theme gets mixed around and re-used.
if you were forced to run the osts tournament style there'd be a bunch of "oh but THIS track is in there dude", been there when me and some other peeps had to trim down tracks to rec a friend with
ya
like I'm not a huge fan of the start of Chapter 2, but
I can't give an unbiased opinion on the latter half
(which includes Pandora Palace! underrated song.)
I didn't like Black Knife at first
but after a couple hours versus the pre-nerf knight it starts to become an old friend
Anyone that dislikes Dark Sanctuary is not ensouled
Chapter 4 has some of the best music
Genuinely got goosebumps first time listening to dark sanctuary it’s so good man
Spawn is actually so good everytime it does the ending bit I do this face:
ba-duh ba-duh bah-duh-duh
the whole of the titan carveout in the OST is 
Playing 3+4 completely blind was an expirience
how did you beat the Knight if you played with your eyes closed? 🤯
negative eyesight
Skill
the SOUL knows where it is at all times by subtracting where it is from where it isn't
if Sword = there, then don't
power of yaoi....
(||theres a more serious discussion here about sidelining of women in fandom but my hot take is the work itself is partially to blame there. Theres like 3 female darkners with any relevance, period.||)
the girls come back in the main plot though, with the holidays + main 4
funniest part of Suselle is that Noelle is honestly a little scarier than Susie.
maybe more than a little
and shes still the one that says "ehrm.... excheese me?". thats depth.
This is because the dark world is misogynistic
#noticing how its Kris' dark world that only has one woman (Elnina) and she falls apart without a man 🤔
Kris Dreemurr Misogyny theory?!?
even the water spirits forced to cover up their bodies as if theres something wrong with them
Kris has uhhh…. Internalized misogyny…. Because of… trauma from Toriel?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHGHGHGGCHGDBYBDGHCVGBHDGGH NOT AGAINNNNN
WHY MUST YAOI OVERTAKE
god i hate fandom misogyny i just want my yuri
do you want a historical explanation regarding the specific history of Ao3 and the retreat of m/m slash to fanfiction sites
fuck it why not
m/m slash was subject to more scrutiny because penetration was a prominent "we gotta clamp down on that" for censorship, so dedicated fanfiction sites formed stronger m/m communities. femslash didn't draw fire in quite the same way, so they didn't get herded in as tightly
I'd also suggest that using Ao3 as a proxy for fandom as a whole is like, using the SCP wiki as a proxy for Weird Fiction writing communitiesin general. it's a major community for it but it still has its own specific site culture instead of being a perfect representative of the whole
I wonder how much lower Ralsei / Susie is compared to her other ships
obviously it would be lower, but is it going to be moderately or extremely outpaced
fingers crossed chapter 5 secret boss is a woman because once it gets to Seam / Gaster / That Weird Cat-Face-Thing the opportunity might be missed
i'm getting 115 works in Ralsei/Susie
Asgore as ch. 5s main boss(?) means there won't be another female 'ruler' I think. Hard to imagine chapter 6 or whenever the shelter is as having one in the first place.
thats pretty drastic yeah
I dont know if the minor canon support it gets helps or hinders
You don't see Dess as running a Dark World?
depends on if shes the Knight
I don't see the Knight as really being able to talk tbh
whatever it was doing in chapter 4 almost-counted, I guess?
but more involved than that, not sure
I mean at the end of the day it’s the least popular of the main Susie ships
It’s gonna get massively outpaced no matter what
yeah and I get why. Her others are good
I personally think its probably Ralseis best ship
but not Susies. Get that goat boy some more friends
huh i thought it would have susie/berdley beat
Ok the thing is I’ve never seen serious shipping of them
Art, fanfic, anything
I’ve only seen Susie berdly in the context of a joke
I have unironically seen more serious Ralsei / Berdly shippers and I don't know if they have any dialogue or lines about each other
krispy chicken has legs but any other berdly ship actually just feels Wrong
I think berdly calls him Kris’s lackey once
(kris and berdly feels wrong but in a funny way)
true and true
maybe its best for ralsei to not be in a relationship until he works on those self-esteem issues
something something "how can i love you when you don't love yourself"
it would just be disastrous for him to only feel valuable in service to someone else
he needs to go down the plushie path & get more selfish, unironically
Kris is actually working with the knight for a dragonball wish to become taller
Not by much
Just to show that they’re still growing
Only lightner shorter is Alphys watch Temmie has freakishly long legs
no shot ralsei is 5'11
I simply do not believe it. He's shorter than Kris textually.
and taller than them visually.
Tony Trick....
*With his hat on
ohhhhhhh
in my heart, shorter than Spamton Neo. idc what the pixels say 😤
built like a brick shithouse though. absolute unit of a TV.
I imagine his head is smaller than his sprite appears too like a long hair cat
Like an inch of fluff
big thanks to @VAsgore_ on twitter for actually programming this.
canon
big fan of this artist
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lotsa bangers
They’re very good
Misread that first one
Also I gotta say
I really love this human Noelle
It reminds me a lot of Goomy’s Noelle
why would chara make him do that
Why would chara make me shoot a big rainbow laser beam to spend just one more second with them
because I also wanted to spend just one more second with them
I did it for the love of the game
You know
I always found it deeply ironic
That pretty much the only reason why you would do the genocide route
Is out of genuine love for the game
I think it was more to have a bad ending with actual repercussions
Ive seen discussion about whether putting really cool unique bossfights in geno undercuts its message
its message was dont kill people
I think it contributes to the idea of "is it worth seeing everything in a game just because it's technically an option?"
pushing these characters to the edge just for a cool fight
mmm I can see that yeah, I don't have a stance on it either way
there is an interesting thing I noticed for DR where a lot of the community doesn't seem to think Weird Route should be 'rewarded' in some way?
or that you should be 'punished' for doing it?
yeah I dont think it needs to wag its finger at the player to still be horror
It can get you what you want and the message can still be 'this is horrific'.
I've just seen quite a few people act like they'll be mad if it leads to anything at all that you couldn't achieve better in the normal route
I think the story only works if Weird Route indeed can achieve a kind of freedom that you can't in the normal route haha
whatever that may be
but as you certainly know
fate isn't actually a cage
mhm
its just sometimes unpopular because it seems like its not uncommon for people to think getting something like that would be 'rewarding' a player for doing weird route
imo, it doesn't do much good to flatten media into moral judgements like that
as jadis discourse tells you
very few people can comport with immutability of fate
and its relation to moral judgment
it is fucked up, tbf
indeed
a lot of effort has been put into Deltarune of setting up the importance and unbreakability of the prophecy- I don't think it could ever be as simple as 'it actually was never real / already broken' and still be satisfying
which doesn't bode well for breaking it on the main path, especially when its underlined often that the weird route is deviating
yeah
way I see it
normal route won't be able to break the prophecy
but may be able to allow for enough uncertainty that multiple interpretations are possible
and certainly the prophecy no longer becomes accurate past the events that it predicts
the prophecy predicted that the Black Knight would destroy Tenna
but didn't predict that others you saved would band together to save Tenna in turn after his destruction
prophecy leaves a lot of blank spaces that you can fill out if you are capable of seeing the negative spaces
weird route might be able to deviate completely from the prophecy
but at such a terrible cost that it might've been preferable to complete the prophecy
I'm interested in how the prophecy is currently presented less as something that forces characters to act certain ways,
and more something that happens because all the people involved are themselves
Their actions are fated because they would make those choices
i mean there are certain evidence that it does skew the odds in a certain way
but I think you mentioend GoW Fates last time so you get the idea lol
yeah, seams dialogue is very questionable there
like Seam agrees to a card game over his shop
because he knows he's never going to lose (probably because he's fated to be the shopkeeper)
at the same time, the game is 'fine' with you as the soul giving up, even though that breaks prophecy
I'm not sure how much it acts as insurance against bad endings for the party
or if its only describing what will happen that doesnt reach a bad end
my guess
bad ending will be inevitable
at least for the first playthrough
unless you are the kind of weirdo who does weird route for the first playthrough hak hak hak
about the choice bit I'm more talking about how Kris + the Knight + Tenna played out their prophecized roles in chapter 3
most of the decisions and reasons they did what they were all doing spring from understandable motivations-
its just collectively it leads to The Lord of Screens getting Cleaved
I guess what I'm saying its the prophecized actions aren't outside of the characters as an imposing force. Often they 'choose' their fate, even if they wouldn't and would never have chosen anything else.
meanwhile Seam is playing strip poker, so idk lmao
I really disagree that we’ll inevitably get a bad end, just because flat out I don’t think that’s how Toby writes
Thing is neutral, isn’t actually a bad end really
It’s unsatisfying yah but objectively it’s just, alright
Obviously it depends on what you get
But like, undertale definitely pushes you towards pacifist on your first time
It’s not like how it’s being set up in Deltarune where it’s an inevitable tragedy which cannot be avoided
It's probably more accurate to say they came out of Kris' pocket to play it but whatever. I understand 0 lore.
These are really fun to make!
Original: https://youtu.be/y0Yc_Y0UEWE?si=WiMbXII4qAMy3fQY
I personally suspect a 'good' ending overall with unavoidable personal tragedy
at least with the current set-up, I'd buy the prophecy getting broken on normal but it would need to really work for it. Right now it seems like it will be 'true-but-vague'.
Does seem like at least part of the motivation for the weird route is going to be preventing something that players would not generally want to have happen, that occurs in other routes
and its definitely not uncommon in jrpgs for party member death
Gerson Was Catholic Theory:
Theory?
Chatroom I’m gonna dress as Kris for Halloween should I do brown shoes or black
Crazy how Toby just made a cognitohazard that is invading peoples dreams and now waking lives
Brown
Better contrast with the pants
Whose friend is FRIEND
chara is "Frisk said it would be mad funny"
why would frisk make me do this
Frisk coughs and moves the pointer from ACT to FIGHT while letting out a sly grin
Its actually a mistranslation, its real name is Frien D. Gaster
like One Piece
(Its father, of course, being Wing D. Gaster)
Man, it kinda sucks when an analysis of Deltarune that I agree with for the most part becomes the new big analysis that analyzing the same thing from a different angle is now seen as ignoring that analysis
(Aka just because the weird route can be analyzed through the angle of the horror of heteronormativity doesn’t mean that’s the only thing you can talk about it or can’t disagree with that reading)
Oof, yeah
I like it as a read & think its got some very interesting things to say, though I wish I saw more combined reads that take the prophecy-breaking elements into account
not even in a 'oh people aren't talking about the real juicy stuff way'. I just want to see peoples thoughts on why the heteronormativity-horror path would also (seemingly) be the fate breaking one & if theres any sort of broader point that connects those two parts, becuase I don't feel super confident in my own thoughts there atm.
(though many of the takes I've seen with that read think the Weird Route is the 'original' prophecy, so I don't blame them - they don't think its a fate breaking path.)
Quelle surprise, fiction can mean multiple things
True, but I'd just want to personally connect it more directly to the motive or specific elements of the Weird Route
(this was not aimed at you btw, rather the people insisting on that one reading on the route to the exclusion of others)
oh fair lol
I'm being careful with wording because there has been. a lot of discourse about this.
I'm just not in big fandom spaces at all
I'm like, here, and with my friends in another server
most of the time I just check artists, but things like the 10th got me a bit more active
Fair
luckily I waited like two months to actually play 3+4 without engaging with any fan spaces so I dodged the worst of it(?)
heard there was a patch and some SA-related read drama
Oh yeah probably regarding an earlier version of the weird chapter 4 scene
Wherein (weird) ||instead of the red cracks we have now, when equipping Noelle with the thorn, the screen went black to a red rose, withering||
mhm
https://www.tumblr.com/existencebringsonlypain/787371243279204352
"It snew"
"What"
Moment ruined
deltarune weird route crackfic where noelle, horrified, tells kris to tell her it didn't happen, it didn't snow, but kris forgets the past tense of snow and the soul ends up having them say "it snew" and then the colors return to normal instantly and noelle's like "what" and the soul's options are "what" and "what" and either option you pick the snowgrave route is aborted
existencebringsonlypain
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hEy_kRis_!
dId_yOu_kNow_?
tHeres_a_SPECIL_SECRIT_wAy_to_bRing_sOmeone_bAck_eVen_fRom_tHe_dEepest_dArk_!
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bUt_dOnt_tEll_aNyone_oKay_???
yOu_tRust_mE_rIght_????
iM_yOure_bEst_FRIEND
D_E_S_S
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ooh
its giving Alan Wake?
"Oh, hush. There's still hope. Cauldron Lake is a special place. Here, you have the power to change things. She wanted you to write. I will tell you what to do. You can write her back. The story will come true and all will be well again." - ???, to Alan Wake
I could honestly see Gaster's whole situation similar to Thomas Zane's
a 'creative' who sought to use a weird psycho-reactive meta-fictional anomaly, who ends up ||writing a specific, powerful, final story as a hail-mary to keep the world from being subsumed by by nightmares after they specifically meet a bad end & get semi-erased.||
In Deltarune's case, that would be the prophecy
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It’s all Chara’s fault. Chara Dreemurr cursed my audio quality because they didn’t want the word to get out that they’re a multifaceted human being rather t...
lowkey I sort of suspect that Catty getting called a copycat or someone who's always copying (Bratty, usually)
every chapter, with that exact word
might be foreshadowing
its kind of a weird thing to bring up that consistently (also Bratty's def gay for her)
just gotta put a pin in copies and their relationship or lack of one to cats for now, I guess
its a special tool that might help us later
Neverending Night continues to hit different
idk why but the song makes me feel something
Music: Gyaa Ha ha!
Composer: Toby Fox
Arrangement: Alex Rosetti
Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLL0CQjrcN8D0VeG0AJrHzrq5sRNNWjkDP
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carol noticed herself on the list
I like the inclusion of the fire extinguisher from chapter 4

Something that stands out about how Tenna talks about Spamton in the manhole dungeon is that he directly quotes Spamton in this line.
Whether you believe Spamton was being genuine or deceiving Tenna here, telling him to wait gives the implication that he was going to come right back after he took the phone call.
"Then he suddenly said, 'I'm gonna answer the phone, so hang on a minute'?!"
Evil for putting this detail in
Hey scout why didn’t you tell me you had a YouTube channel

I think the most
-pilled take I have, sincerely, is that I think its possibly the Spooky Voice on the phone with Kris in chapter 4.
Carol with a voice changer or Mysterious Shadow Entity, call it
its either using the Giygas static sfx (that Gaster uses too) because its a good sound effect or because the caller is In Hell. & right now it could be either lol.
I just don't see the phone voice being a darkner, with how well Kris' phone works to call home while in the dark
thats actually an element that makes me suspect the call possibly being related to dark worlds
Kris phone everywhere in the dark worlds plays the 'garbage noise' smile.ogg file, which contextually seems to also be related to how Spamton got into contact with his mysterious phone benefactor
(at least its the most prominent phone-related noise that could be called 'Unintelligible Laughter', given that the file is literally an edited laugh sfx)
and theres this tertiary static thing that gets related to strange faces and speakers in the dark - Gaster has the Giygas static, Friend appears in 'Airwaves', the Shadow Mantle Holder & the Glaceir Sweepstakes foreshadowing appear only after choppy static
theres even a bit in Crumbling Tower where the music cuts out for a sec to make a channel changing noise
So I'm not sure their phone isnt working in the dark so much as picking up on something else, like maybe theres an interaction between wave transmission and the Dark or something (possibly why the internet in town is out?)
and from there I'd buy it as maybe a way for that something else to interact with the Light World from the Dark. maybe.
what gets me more than almost anything is how perfectly timed the phone call in Chapter 4 is. Right as they're about to leave, immediately into voice after one ring, without them answering?
Immediately phrased like a warning or a reminder?
Ceroba I love you but || your boss fight pmo so bad ||
It could just be dramatic timing & Carol is doing some villainous aurafarming.... or Kris is being watched by something or someone. And its not like the Dark World they just made in their house didn't involve a suspicious unseen speaker who appears to have existed and interacted with multiple Dark Worlds, with specific knowledge of Kris
is it hard?
(I guess I could say 'Eram is phone' but that sounds somehow like even more of a shitpost than saying Friend is doing it.)
For someone who’s good at these games probably not, I just suck
rip
best counter-evidence for this not being the case is this, probably, followed by Carol showing up
so I don't know what to think. Carol with Voice Changer seems like it works well enough, yeah.
but I feel like I can't rule out something weirder. maybe like 20-30% chance theres some magical phone stuff going on.
GL though you got this 🙏 stay determined monarch
Okay just finished it actually
If you haven’t played UTY seriously go do that was fantastic
Beautiful little game
It’s canon to me
I'm not joking this kind of stuff was genuinely my first exposure to Undertale I AM SERIOUS
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i don't even KNOW how i found undertale back when i was 14
i didn't watch youtubers i only played ONE game i had no social media
i followed toby on tumblr bc of homestuck and i played the original demo when he first posted it
when did awkwardzombie post it...
okay i played the demo September 2015
and then played the full game a little later
I think I found undertale via the YouTubers who did letsplays of it
So like, a very common story
i don't remember
that might have been how i found out
i do wonder how things would be different if the initial reception had been slightly different
(<----This user still chafes against the common framing of Undertale as having three routes)
I heard of it through some friends from school. A group of us played it together and voice acted various characters
That’s awesome
I got caught in the big wave but, I think some peeps in the bay12 forums were talking about the KS demo? But I didn't look further into it than that back then
Lightners be like "Why am I facing all my deepest traumas 😭" buddy YOU made the Dark World
though Card Castle having the "Forest-Where-You-Get-Lost" is really funny in retrospect
If I made a dark world, it’d just be full of cool fun stuff and no metaphors for my traumas
Wait, why are the Bibles my dad gave me turning into a rough approximation for a closet?
my dark world would suck i throw so much stuff i care for out yet keep so much garbage
but I also would not be able to open a dark fountain
I could
My dark would would be populated by all the Warhammer models that I haven’t painted and they’d beat the shit out of me
unpainted models would give you some yume nikki shit imo
imagining something like Ultrakill's mannequinns
fakes not because they lost their color but because they were never given any
and none of them move while you're watching but then you hear something scuttling in the shadows after you walk deep enough into the creepy statue room
A first look at 7-1: GARDEN OF FORKING PATHS.
(they might still beat the shit out of you)
You’re like the anti Kris
You refuse to color in copies
They will stay monochrome
i think the unused bed frame would be its boss battle
animation by me
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I got this
I’d like to see Kris paint up a whole battleforce of Emperors Children their lazy ass ain’t gonna do any better
Nah they’d love warhammer
i kinda think noelle gets into a chaos faction
not sure which one
Berdly gets into one of the Tzeentch ones no question
Chaos Undivided/Black Legion imo
Kris plays whatever Berdly hates playing against the most that edition
kris doesn't even play they just think about playing
Honestly, with Noelle I feel liked she’d own like 10 armies lol
Khorne is death metal, Slaanesh is hot and emo, Nurgle would be maximum gross and sludge, Tzeentch fits her "just break the game" instincts a bit.
Using those mayor bucks
Kris's army is inevitably defined in reference to Asriel's extremely extra anime army. Either they get hand me downs, imitate Asriel, or pick something as different as possible
Orks would make him mad
anything that relies on '''rng''' to win (unfair, basically cheating)
(this is different from Smartgenius Braingamers who use Tactical Probability though.)
Though I actually think Noelle would play Eldar or Tau
I feel like she would like the grosser and more horrific factions but not be brave enough to lean into it while playing
slightly weebish
Noelle would do Eldar but want a forge world chaos demon army with the real nasty looking ones
Or night lords
Night Lords feels Kris coded to me
I have seen darkness, witnessed it in my dreams. I am standing at the edge of a chasm. There is no escaping it, I know my fate. For it is the future and nothing can prevent it coming to pass. So I step off and welcome the dark
and they're very edgy
but I wonder if their feelings on humanity would push them away from Imperium stuff
(though its not like the Space Marines are human)
New favorite genocide sans headcanon
Oh it just
Deleted the link when it embedded
Their weird thoughts on being human clashes with their ability to ragebait berdly (he hates space marines because GW favors them and he thinks they’re basic)
Kris plays Leagues of Votann because they’re short
Really though I could see them playing Orks, I think they’d enjoy the sort of wild and free nature they have, plus they’d absolutely do some crazy scratch-bashing with random junk and create a horrible amalgam darkner as a result
okay but consider the master play
showing up with a full and correct WHF army even though nobody else in town even plays
kris then spends six hours trying to ragebait berdly into playing anyway by insisting its the same thing
This had occurred to me, I’m glad I’m not alone
They would do that
“Just let me proxy it for Eldar bro”
not even that
straight up "kris theyre different games!" "but its warhammer though theyre literally the same"
Everyone gets into fantasy because of this, Kris then comes with an Eldar army during fantasy day
Sources: https://youtu.be/KsHMAfs_RoE?si=uIdz0XkCFDdyM9ne
https://youtu.be/j69knNADinw?si=5gGWDRW9VNbTzHQA
Characterization may be slightly wrong
"wait isn't this a dark souls channel?" it's close enough, the secret boss sure felt like fighting Malenia for the first time
https://lynxgriffin.tumblr.com/post/793595463085539328/eldritchrune-meeting-gerson-1-2-story
Oh, new AU
Eldritchrune - Meeting Gerson
1 | 2
Story Setup
Eldritchrune Masterpost
While making their way through a maze of books, Kris and Susie are separated from the rest of the Fun Gang by a mysterious figure! Even more mysterious...it's the first other human Kris has come across in the Dark World! He seems to have his own ways of dealing with their environment...
Yaaay, since this won the last poll, the meeting Gerson scene is finally here! Gotta love the coolest old man!
This is a two-parter, the second part will be up tomorrow!
Alt text for these pages is under the read more:
Page 1
Panel 1 - A closeup on a full bookcase, shrouded in shadow.
Panel 2 - The bookcase scatters into flames, cinders and sparks as Susie blasts through it with a massive breath of fire from her mouth.
Panel 3 - A wide overhead shot of the whole fun gang: Kris, Ralsei, Susie, Noelle, Berdly, and Cattington. The group walks through a massive maze of bookshelves and tall stone pillars. Kris lays on Susie’s back as she takes...
Lol, out of everyone, Lancer is unchanged
He just has an uncanny ability to survive the Dark WOrld and remain silly
https://lynxgriffin.tumblr.com/post/734744935292633088/eldritchrune-a-dark-welcome-1-2-3-story
Well that's a rather awkward demon
Some comics are bloodier, one has kris legs destroyed
incredibly funny to me that Susie in this is some sort of demonic bloodbourne beastie but still has the personality of a cringe new-england teen
its also pretty funny how close this mirrors canon, kind of?
there is a mysterious shadow cult trying to breach darkness into the Light World, and suspicious pacts that Kris made in the past (possibly relating to their Soul and/or demons)
creative AU
Oh sans in this au has suspicions about the demon cult, and papyrus is very interested in charms and wards
I knew he was a cop
his lenses should be yellow and pink and the skull should be sans'd up

ah memories 🤠
This is gonna be used after the mandatory 'hang out with berdly' scene at the Festival trust 🙏
Chatroom
The fact that greenster kinda makes sense is starting to piss me off
I’m not supposed to take the “gaster will be green” theory seriously
what
i haven't heard of this, what is it
Best resource is a Twitter thread so I can’t post it here
But essentially, it’s that a bunch of green shit is associated with Gaster
Just find this Twitter thread if you want more details
It’s a long one
i dunno seems pretty self-explanatory
sands is blue, paper is red
so green completes the triad
The snowman being the Room Between really convinced me I’m not lying
r slash arkham asylum tier
the theories aren't even theories anymore
I'm kinda down with Greenster
this one is actually probably closer than most tbh
the theory is "most specific mentions of green work to foreshadow or parallel Gaster, especially in contexts related to the skeletons or Deltarune" I think
so its putting forward that when you read this,
its a reference to Gaster
this is dodging the important fact that kris eats crayons like me :DDDD
Kris Ate Gaster (He's Eggs) theory?!?! 
green eggs
and
for my money this is the most blatant "I know its a parallel to Gaster I just can't prove it"
you know,
I havent read that thread so idk if they mention it
but if you got the RGB triad it would fit into the CMYK one showing up elsewhere pretty consistently
maybe its like a dark world / light world sort of thing
He's Greenster because he taught his chud Darkner son how to smoke the marijuana cigarette
Toriel can't tell if Kris is trolling or genuinely clueless
https://www.tumblr.com/infaethible/797079572127662080
I love how the motion lines also make it seem like Susie can't tell but has now been completely overwhelmed
absolutely flabbergasted
flabbergastered
ideal Asriel design imo
its quite simply peak
what the
Jackenstein house has a Throne of the Gods?
???
Who would notice this bit in gameplay lmao
Holy crap lmao
Tony and his tricks
clue...
(Originally from @charcoyours)
Kris with Dess knight in the chp 3 darkworld: Haha hey remember how fractured and fucked up your family is? remember dess? Isnt it so cool how youll never be loved back
Dess with Kris knight in the chp 3 darkworld :
tbh this is nearly Kris in the chapter 3 darkworld already
I'm ride-or-die that this screen is the Upstairs Mirror
and you know you got the
god the shelter is going to be so fucked up
I hope it straight up pulls some yume nikki visuals out
I’m a scardey little bitch but I would looooove if the shelter was just straight up as close to a horror game as possible
too fat in the fist one
so full ofLOST CHILDRENyum!
EVIL and intimidating cat:
I still wonder if it means anything that the song that plays when you first encounter it is a math pun(?)
The digital root of a natural number is the single-digit value obtained by an iterative process of summing digits, on each iteration using the result from the previous iteration to compute a digit sum.
adding together digits in a way that ultimately removes information
and the second time this track plays is in a video game, with the association of 'bits' as small units of information
or its association with glitches and bugs in coding, from Noelle's blog & its (probable) connection to spamton, as well as literally appearing in the 'Junk Data' basement
lots of data corruption
doing something over and over again, trying to add or resolve information, until only a line of ones/a fully black sketch remains (you draw a tree over it).
(actually, I wouldn't be surprised if the 'roots' stuff is a dual pun, where it means roots in plant & origin sense, and in a division sense.)
yeah its weird!
I wonder if its the representation of all of this lost info, kind of collectively
or maybe just something like a glitch / bug in 'DELTARUNE' ie: Gaster's 'creation'
its got some connection to 'small bits of things' and 'glitched code' and 'things unwanted' (through the Oddcontroller and Spamton / PinkYellow stuff)
Honestly tho I hope we get something like this in the shelter itself that would be so fucked
so....
collective small bits of unwanted information? Literally Noise, in the signal processing sense? Something unexpected, the error when you try and trace something and mess up?
its super connected to wavelengths, though sometimes only in cut content
(If people drawing it with a pointy tail can use cut graphics though so can I 😈)
makes me feel like the unused pointed tail was meant to be unused.
possible connection with roaring/gaster/DR being as a memory?
unused spamton attack - hands make flowing wave patterns
Switch Airwaves minigame - background is literally textbook wave interference gif, you block mismatching waves of linked-circles
PC Airwaves minigame - Only shows up with the sides of the box get squiggly / you get enough points, needs to be making a wave.
Chapter 4 - only visible in profile as the soundwave passes over it
not even counting the 'garbage noise' connection, where its implied to speak garbled data you can just pick up ambiently with a phone - its in the static. Its in the 'noise'.
I'm not sure what it would mean to be a memory, but theres definitely something going on with the save-load system
something something 'memories of events are always just copies of what actually happened' idk
but investing enough in copies makes them real(?)
maybe its like
something born from echoes, or the bits 'put out there' whenever creative work is made
like this scene,
you can play a melody, but after its put out into the world and bounces around, the sound gets more & more distorted
eventually its unrecognizable. Information is lost, even though (maybe even because!) more has been added. It can't be retrieved, its drowned out.
but thats just vibes for me idk if I'm onto anything or if Toby Meant All That or whatever
Jevil 'repeating' his words, Spamton stealing quoting from elsewhere, Mantle / ERAM as 'the reflection' or nightmare 'mirrored', Old Man / Gerson being a copy of someone who was once alive....
theres something!
Where do forgotten things go?
gensou wrong game
might tie into the "darkners embody and personify the memory of the world when differentiating from Dark" angle, esp with how the main plot revolves around a past bursting out of the depths with/and all those left behind by it
like nothing being truly forgotten, or washed away, always lying there, until something sets it off and its strongest elements shoot back into the surface
Falls into the ambient cosmic microwave radiation
Or maybe cosmic mike-rowave radiation?
you come across this room with the puzzle and manage to solve it like normal, puppeting around the shadow being
the shadow being proceeds to ❕
I wouldn't be surprised if at least some of the Physics-Science inspiration for Dark Worlds & Gaster is based on Dark Matter / Energy
so I could see the static or snow bits pulling on CMB Radiation
that makes it extra funny that we're asserting that the metaphysical voice running the Deltarune experiment has to be Gaster even if we don't really know
we know something's going on behind the scenes that are behind the scenes, but we don't quite know what and we have tentative characters to explain this hole in the narrative
everyone has different ideas about what it even means for Gaster to be involved in an experiment too lol
I've seen everything from "He's just recording a pre-existing prophecy" to "He literally made the Deltarune Universe"
but definitely the room_gaster Undertale thing is him, which is more what I mean with the physics element
The DR Darkness hasn't really been presented as scientifically, I think
"What if it could get Darker? Darker than Dark." versus "PHOTON READINGS NEGATIVE"
nobody's been really dealing with the science side of things at all iirc
I think it'll for sure come back with the shelter
alphys is a teacher not the royal scientist, no labs yet
Very plausible
in some ways I think less than he used to be
I never was confident in him as the strange someone who met Jevil or especially Spamton, mostly for motive reasons
but even then I was like "Well theres not really anyone else, and Toby definitely knew that putting in the weird sound from room_gaster would make people think its Gaster, so if its anyone its probably Gaster?"
now the Knight, Carol & Co, and
give you other options for randomly assigning plot elements to theories about mysterious figures
yeah
I'm primed to be sympathetic towards him at least
being shattered across time and space seems like it wouldn't be fun
at the same time, strange boat-people giving cryptic forewarnings are usually pretty trustworthy about this sort of thing
yeah
Unrelated, but I am trying to confirm something because I can't find alt sources and I don't wanna set up decomp for just one thing
but part of me wants to look closer at the CORE from UT, mainly from an interpretation of "hardmode monsters appear [idealized, fantasized variants]" and "one of the overworld sprites is literally called darknesstotem" but it feels like a too good to be true sitch (most likely a false positive coming from proto DR ideas rather than "Gaster Literally Created a Dark World to Power the Underworld and Then Fell Into the Deep Dark")
oooh
Darkness Totem is real but there is a brighter version just called totem, I think
accursed manual lighting
there definitely is quite a few stuff you could tie to Deltarune though
both obvious
and maybe a touch more speculative
I've seen people point out those colors in the tubes as relating to Kris, Noelle, and Susie. Idk if I buy it.
🤷
what if deltarune is gaster making sure the CORE is stable
I think the Final Froggits do have a Deltarune on them
hard to tell, theres some triangles and a three pattern
and the cross eyes
It reads like one to me yeah
yoooo
reminds me a bit of the Asriel concept art
definitely a bit of a different style from what the final game went with
(this ones wings are purple-pink, cyan, green, and yellow)
that one I could believe is intentional lol
because he's literally turned into the Deltarune shape too
and with the toby trademark "I'll just put a face here and here and here :)"
probably nothing and won't ever come up in DR as a concept 
I know its the background but the spooky froggits look like they fade more into the background which does trigger my darkness/bumpinthedark receptors
i don't see what you mean
Above the door is a stylized angel emblem and the pillars have triangles on them
forming a Delta Rune
yeah the deltarune is stylized over the door
obv in UT its also the symbol of the Kingdom, but
metatextually its probably the symbol of the Kingdom because of the game-idea-concept 'Deltarune'
I dont even think the pillars are needed
so thats a big-ass Deltarune in the big 'creation' that Gaster built
ofc the Deltarune also just shows up everywhere in both games
Undyne the Undying, Asriel's boss form, Mettaton (And Spamton) Neo,
which is funny because its kind of unwieldy as a symbol.
following from this, the interference-pattern of white light creating really striking bands of pink and yellow might be relevant
especially because pink isn't a spectral color - theres no pink wavelength in the light spectrum
its also why you see the same colors in bubbles or oil, its caused by wave interference of light through the material
so idk maybe thats why its those colors specifically. I'm just saying shit.
Tobias who perchance pondered as such:
"pathetic guy from deltarune" doesn't narrow it down much.
The pathetic adult who doesn’t require love advice from a teenager
That should eliminate most of them
how are we defining "require"
Asked for it
Clearly rouxls is in need of a love advice from a teenager but he has so far not asked for it
spamton?
feel free to counter that argument
the sexy lamp
its so funny that hes canonically very attractive, he's just also The Fucking Worst
I have it on good authority his ass is small

but! you can be flat and attractive. good for him, good for him
spamton can be a gorgeous woman if he wants. definitely has a 'unique' color pallete.
hmm
refers to vague worldbuilding and past events in ominous ways
ends half their lines with dry, slow laughter
constantly asking open ended questions
generally hopeless
is Seam just a soulsborne npc
"1998 New Years Special (Unaired)" - Mr. (Ant) Tenna's TV Time, Your House Productions (in partnership with BS Automobiles)
thought about it being funny that the zappers like water and are blue+super tall (PERFECT cuptain match) and it spiraled out of control and how they have a wife and many brave and loyal knights
-# #deltarune #utdr #deltarune zapper #deltarune mizzle #deltarune cuptain #deltarune pippins #scribbles #their beautiful wife that thinks they're an idiot
Gaster acting like his ass isn't the fakest mf on that sign
gaster is the whole line
(from @ilikecanele)
They are just being petty because Ralsei never joined the moss gang
Chapter 7 will end with the fun gang sitting around a table enjoying a snack, Ralsei finally gives in and tries moss. He says it’s delicious. End credits roll
That’s the tragedy aforeseen
To save the worlds, there is only one way
Ralsei eats moss alongside the hay
ralsei_splat.png
And obviously YOU wouldn't let it happen."```
thats true Kris wouldn't let him eat the moss
lmfao