restart implies from the beginning
#Undertale and Deltarune
sour mesa
right
strange cloud
WHO DONATED THIS MUCH FOR CHARA?!
serene loom
(and i misremembered Swoon as being one but thats actually FF2/4)
ripe harbor
theres tons of BoF2 references all over DR
I think the goner-stuff might be at least partially inspired by it
serene loom
hell, the Knight's Black Sword itself might be an FF reference, given that Swoon is specifically from Cecil's Black Sword (Death Bringer in JP) that can insta-kill enemies
ripe harbor
Its probably also an FF6 reference, with the translation of Kefka's big attack
but the whole intro of BoF2 with the town forgetting about you? I could see it
serene loom
with the text when it triggers being "Swoon!" in English and "Fell into an unable-to-fight state!" in JP (which matches the DR's JP translation using "Fell!")
ripe harbor
interesting that it was mentioned sans' theme(?) was also written for proto-Deltarune
I half missed it
serene loom
now also interesting, is that Cecil's Black Sword/Deathbringer has a counterpart once he becomes a Paladin, the Lightbringer
which is the most powerful weapon in the entire game (besides the Kitchen Knife) with 255 attack
low surge
Oh shit I couldn’t watch but he added new stuff?
I mean I kind of figured he’d do some shit but what the fuck
low surge
Capitalism huh
Togore is the hero of the people! Chara is a servant of capital!
Do you think this means we’ll get an Undertale update or is this just for the stream
Toby aura farming on us
ripe harbor
Oh shit I couldn’t watch but he added new stuff?
ya
jokes, extra bits, arg nonsense
I think some animations got retooled? Did toriel's talksprite normally.... blink?
low surge
Fuck me I gotta watch the vods then
ripe harbor
There was a wrong number remix
& it had the earthbound phone ringing and the 'Wow!" sfx
theres already fanart of the arg stuff lmao
(from @seirette)
strange cloud
WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING
vestal owl
I hope someone has been recording all this
ripe harbor
the devs must have been smoking a little too much fruitcake when making that scene xP
strange cloud
It would be sick
ripe harbor
~~but actually what the FUCK~~
man I'm gonna have to go back and rewatch part of that scene lmao
analog burrow
Just started hearing murmurings what the heck is going on in that stream
strange cloud
It’s fucked
ripe harbor
I suspect that some of those faster bits during the really odd bit
was like
Gaster followers?
close to Gaster followers?
I'll need to double check
analog burrow
excuse me what
strange cloud
Part of me feel like that’s secretly like, key hints to the nature of the secret bosses
ripe harbor
it wouldn't be the first time!
strange cloud
excuse me *what*
Every copy of undertale is personalized
ripe harbor
very easy to hide more important details in a slew of seeming nonsense
strange cloud
But also yah to explain: Toby just keeps including new weird shit
And not explaining
ripe harbor
sometimes just minorly weird (haha funny new Wrong Number song referencing Camellia)
strange cloud
And in place of the trip or Grillbys, Spamton crawled through the wall, grew, started playing, and then replaced sans in the scene
ripe harbor
other times....
strange cloud
And he basically did a spamtontized version of what Sans talks about
About how Papyrus can’t get in the Royal guard
ripe harbor
its like dazzle camo
you throw in some eye catching stuff and then people miss ||that noelle was in Snowdin||
strange cloud
YAH WHAT THE FUCK
ripe harbor
or that the Ruins area was playing Deltarune music
or that Sans knew about and was winking in a side extra area
is Suzy shows up I might lose it
low surge
EXCUSE ME WHAT IS THIS???? IS THIS REAL?
analog burrow
is Suzy shows up I might lose it
I swear to god toby
low surge
Why the FUCK do I have to work this weekend fuck my stupid chungus life
ripe harbor
EXCUSE ME WHAT IS THIS???? IS THIS REAL?
||its real||
there was a moment he started rapid fire nonstop using brackets quoting like, a reddit no-sleep post, and gaster followers, and sans?
strange cloud
Yah he was quoting sans for a lot of that
ripe harbor
then he realized he was 'on a TV' and started calling the player a pervert(?) until the screen went black
yeah it intermingled the normal sans dialogue with other stuff(?)
or it mightve just been mixed up
geniunely incomprehensible
low surge
What the FUCK man
low surge
Robert…
low surge
Okay yeah so zero chance this will be a playable update but still dude what in the goddamn
analog burrow
San’s shortcut???????
strange cloud
ripe harbor
its not as hard as you might expect- oh
analog burrow
grilbys shortcut
ripe harbor
3rd time theres been a new area 'underneath'-
analog burrow
SPONGEBOB?????
ripe harbor
IS THAT ONION SAN
I mean I know he's in this area normally but
you know that Stuff happened
ripe harbor
3rd time theres been a new area 'underneath'-
(this time it was underneath the water)
strange cloud
My stupid chud son is still alive…
low surge
THE DEPTHS?????
ripe harbor
its not as hard as you might expect- oh
all you gotta do is find a copy, take some color and move it inside, and bam
you got something 'new'
low surge
I shouldn’t be watching this I’m at work but dude fuck me what the hell
ripe harbor
this 10 year old game dev still makes jokes the old fashioned way
ripe harbor
if Suzy shows up she'll have a bow #lockitin
analog burrow
Four songs???
ripe harbor
toby why are you deliberately showing all of the fun events but specifically removing Gaster from them. what do you mean tony
strange cloud
God what if we see the Gaster followers but they’re normal?
sharp lodge
why the fuck did i hear strong sad from homestar runner for a sec there
analog burrow
Oh yes
low surge
OOOH YEEES
ripe harbor
actually susie cant show up today I think
sorry I mean suzy
she lives in new home 💀
low surge
Have the echo flower memories shown up anywhere? Still wondering by what they could have possibly done with all those
ripe harbor
they're in the pre-stream and actual breaks
analog burrow
ripe harbor
uh oh
'purpose and function first' for characterization
you need a story before you have characters
... to have Deltarune's characters, you'd need a "Delta Rune"
strange cloud
Admittedly that does feel like brainrot lol
“Make a story first, characters for that story later” is pretty common writing advice
ripe harbor
yeah but I mean less in the foreshadowing sense and more its not what you want to hear from a guy writing a metatext story about making art if you don't like the 'author' writing that one
strange cloud
Ah yah
ripe harbor
its more like
strange cloud
I see what you mean
ripe harbor
its the lens toby fox is looking at stories and characters with
and he's writing a story about making stories and characters, and like 80% of them are struggling with 'purpose'
(Spamton NEO is already lightly about this imo, considering what 'breaking strings' means and does to him)
Fate can suck and you can need it
strange cloud
Nah
This is hope core
Hope moments and aura
I refuse to believe Deltarune will have a truly tragic end
ripe harbor
hopefully!
ripe harbor
Fate can suck *and* you can need it
but its probably gonna engage with this angle instead of 'just break it'
low surge
ripe harbor
though it pretty easily dovetails into making new fate
you don't break the story, you make it your own?
oh yeah I don't mean Fate like a specific fate
more just like a fate
(using 'fate' to mean 'the interconnections and general thrust of things that define who we are')
low surge
Susie just wants to grill for gods sake
sour mesa
the poison??
analog burrow
low surge
Asghoree is the canon pronunciation
strange cloud
He’s been cured
strange cloud
Also Chatroom, we may have soft confirmation Berdly’s parents are the drunk bums in Grillby’s
Because Spamton calls them Nerds
low surge
Milk Kid Pronoun Reveal
ripe harbor
I crashed for a sec anything happen in Hotland
analog burrow
Clairevoire drew dog food apparently
strange cloud
I crashed for a sec anything happen in Hotland
Nothing special yet
NEVERMIND THERES A RANDOM NEW BUILDING AFTER THE HOT DOG STAND
low surge
WHAT THE FUCJ
strange cloud
HUH
ripe harbor
well fire-E?
strange cloud
MILK LOOKER
sour mesa
What
strange cloud
THEYRE ACTUALLY ACKNOWLEDGING IT
low surge
BERDLYS MOM?!?!?!?
strange cloud
Why are they treating this like it’s normal?
ripe harbor
BERDLYS MOM?!?!?!?
I mean, I think so
its complete headcanon on my part
but thats a bluebird! and an adult woman
analog burrow
toby are you shitting me
ripe harbor
Why are they treating this like it’s normal?
later twist that its not the game thats off, but the entire stream is actually from a slightly different world where this is all Normal Undertale and we're just picking up the signal
strange cloud
I mean at this point why not?
low surge
“I really like this character” about the donut guy
ripe harbor
seemed like a completely unchanged muffet fight
low surge
SANS
ripe harbor
analog burrow
wtf
ripe harbor
Tenna real!
ripe harbor
wtf
did you catch what it was filled with
candy in a variety of colors!
well
really just two colors
ripe harbor
I'm sure the glitchy effects and pink / yellow coloration doesn't mean anything
maybe he shouldn't have Risen Up His Bat or something idk
ripe harbor
https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-friend-cat-image-friend-gif-1601477516471511129...
Right before the first Toriel knocking one of the dads mentions Catpetterz and toby responds with a "What?"
low surge
Toby who thought of all of this
ripe harbor
makes me SICK
crimson ocean
I mean, I think so
oh my god its green susie
low surge
Toby please give us this version I’m begging you
low surge
These streams are already hitting UTDR twitter like crack hit the 80s
ripe harbor
I mean, I think so
pretty sad the walls are painted like that
considering they're all trapped in the Underground
ripe harbor
its neat that QC is named after Cucumber Quest
I started reading that pretty recently, good comic
amazing art
sour mesa
cucumber quest the GOAT
low surge
Over under on Burgerpants having new dialogue/scene/something referencing Deltarune
ripe harbor
These streams are already hitting UTDR twitter like crack hit the 80s
I cant believe how fast some of these noelle fanartists are
they hadn't finished the papyrus section and tree art was popping up on my feed
low surge
The power of lesbians fills you with determination
ripe harbor
(last two are @sharknave and @GOOMYLOID)
rain lotus
so my partner said he streamed an insane personal copy???
ripe harbor
so my partner said he streamed an insane personal copy???
p. much
rain lotus
thats a very "guy who worked on undertale" bit
ripe harbor
the DR chapter 1 stream did it too- but only for jokes and text that didnt really matter
this is a little more
involved
things took a bit of a weird route
rain lotus
every copy of undertale is personalized
rain lotus
god i wish i caught this
it's like he saw what people were doing with togore and said "i can do you one better"
ripe harbor
I hope if the dono goal "Sans in battle with attacks" gets reached they use the Deltarune battle UI
sour mesa
hehe
rain lotus
... to have Deltarune's characters, you'd **need** a "Delta Rune"
also i get what you mean and agree it was why i was trying to map undertale characters to their roles in the rune of delta
like as an exercise
low surge
People saying that the stream version is an alternate reality where Gaster never existed, hence all the fun values associated with him being replaced or missing
sour mesa
but normal undertale is the universe where gaster never existed
rain lotus
he's made another au of [this concept]
it's nutdealer
they're streaming nutdealer 10th anniversary
sour mesa
the real crazy one would be "gaster is here this time, just off-screen"
ripe harbor
People saying that the stream version is an alternate reality where Gaster never...
tbf the biggest fun values for him are tomorrow
unless the high school segment bypassed the usual gaster follower elevator bits idk
or whatever might be added to the CORE- or the True Lab
low surge
Shit I didn’t consider true lab
ripe harbor
could be the opposite, yeah
this could be Undertale with Gaster
they skipped the 1st lab segment, right?
what if he's just inside working
low surge
I really love how a lot of the new sections and content make the underground seem more alive
All the new houses and areas with new monsters
It’s neat
ripe harbor
the treeman bit was actually 🔥
south flume
Pacing around my room yelling "The copies are in monochrome" repeatrdly
ripe harbor
this is the first "anything even sort of-kind-of-close-to-canon" depiction of the Loaded Disk, right?
You can feel it smiling in your hand.
it sure is
low surge
When I’m in a not being subtle context and my opponent is Toby Fox
ripe harbor
he's subtle in new and freaky ways
I'm expecting the more unsettling stuff to be at the end (and the bit with the ruins at the start)
its like the first change was the most ominous and standout to grab your attention
now its mostly jokes and memes
rain lotus
i love how wayneradiotv's spamton is a bald fuck
ripe harbor
I love that they decided to make him not the spamton but instead a slightly off version on purpose
good bit
low surge
I'm expecting the more unsettling stuff to be at the end (and the bit with the r...
the toy knife was fucking wild shit man
ripe harbor
this is funny
team "Gaster is less real than usual" and team "Gaster is just a normal guy"
huge stuff for color-interpretation heads like me
Cyan, Magenta, Yellow...
'Darkness' is holy because it contains all colors, to the point it just looks pitch black?
Dark Fountains are holy because they're what colors in the Dark World?
low surge
If we see Normal_NPC I will actually scream
rain lotus
this is basically the kind of shit the knight is on in my mind palace
low surge
Toby isn’t cooking he’s doing alchemy
low surge
Address this
ripe harbor
oh thats easy, this one has the flipped triangles because its a mirror of the real deltarune
its the left thats going to break!
ripe harbor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymex1MC7aDY
the DR segment has the freedom motif lol
low surge
low surge
The duality of Undertale
vestal owl
every single time a new thing showed up and went completely unaddressed
crimson badger
I could only catch a bit of the stream but a friend compared it to getting constantly hit by the nier automata cathedral event and then moving on like nothing happened
also fun seeing the Inside Baseball of toby's process and how it connects to the game that's about the process of creation
(double fun with how they're just Words That Make Sense to get something done yet also feel so very dark/darkner coded)
eager hinge
The duality of Undertale
i love this specific interpretation of the fry
everyone else is doing crumbs but the idea that it's so big it's causing sparks it's so funny
sour mesa
this is what all the anniversary stream info all sounds like to me (creepy eye warning)
sage needle
Yeah lmao. I had the stream going in the background and the second the ruins music changed I woke up
crystal shale
So what happened during the stream
sour mesa
Prunsel was there
inland hare
There are some
Strange additions
Some weirdo eating bread
Some freaky kid Blair witching
statues of our authoritarian rulers
timber widget
Some uninteresting random door
ripe harbor
Its great that this is getting more people onto the copies & colors & greyscale stuff
I mean 'Gaster' literally has dialogue related to making and erasing copies in the game
lusty cypress
Okay, is there a summary of what happened on the stream?
ripe harbor
There were a few types of new changes
broadly, there are new areas neverbeforeseen, that either are added onto the main story or (in MTTs case) replace parts of it
Some of them are ominous (Ruins has more of 'Home' detailed, empty and broken with DR music playing in the background)
some of them are complete shitpost (Spamton replaces Sans in Grillbys)
some of them are just cool (They meet the person who lives in the unreachable Snowdin house, and he waxes about how large the world is and how you can never meet everyone)
part of the bit
is that Fangamer and Toby do not acknowledge any of it
ripe harbor
Okay, is there a summary of what happened on the stream?
heres the scenes if you want to see them yourself
sage needle
The Ruins is the big part for me. I'm absolutely certain that's just an area from chapter 5
lusty cypress
Some of them are ominous (Ruins has more of 'Home' detailed, empty and broken wi...
Can't meet everyone?
Skill issue
ripe harbor
Its definitely (also) meta thing about how this content wont be released lmao
"The world is bigger than you or I know"
sage needle
Which like that's cool, but also
ripe harbor
oh yeah Noelle shows up too
only briefly and just her head
Im surprised to have seen people actually mad that Undertale won't get new content based on this stream stuff
which is unexpected tbh
sage needle
Yeah agreed. Like do you really want Spamton eating 1 large fry in Snowdin?
The new ruins are interesting and I desperately wish I could secret dig through them but that's what makes this so special
lusty cypress
which is unexpected tbh
Modern internet made people weird about wanting all inane details and every bit of trivia and content
sage needle
Also the between the stream segments where the messages from the "what Undertale means to you thing" are shown is so sweet
lusty cypress
Treating media as a bunch of food in cans to consume all of it
ripe harbor
Its just wild because its like
I'd see this extra stuff as a love letter to the fans & something to add onto the original experience (which still exists) but be something new
but I've seen people legit saying its Toby being 'Mean to his fans'
???
sage needle
Days since the Undertale Fandom was insufferable 1786 0
ripe harbor
I mean 'Gaster' literally has dialogue related to making and erasing copies in t...
like....
if Goners are 'copies'
"It was as if it was never there at all."
Its describing himself too
this ones interesting
not dissimilar from how Light World - Dark World relationships seem to work
Break a TV in a Dark World, break a TV in the Light
Heal a TV in a Dark World, fix a TV in the Light
it conforms to the reflection
lusty cypress
"It was as if it was never there at all."
So like the ecto slime from homestuck, that is spawned as a copy of people
ripe harbor
well, imo, and this is just vibes,
I feel the general direction of the story might be more questioning if anything but copies exist, if anyone or anything isn't one
(I guess in Homestuck they are also paradoxical copies of copies)
but yeah the idea of 'copies' seems pretty integral to quite a few mysteries
(and its one of the reasons I think Element 6, [Puppet/Cat] might actually be Copy/Cat)
In terms of DR characters, nearly all this Copy Stuff is associated with Kris, too
which is 
ripe harbor
I feel the general direction of the story might be more questioning if anything ...
like- If things conform to their reflections, is the original one the 'real' one? If all creative works are derivitive, or just remixes of something else, what does it mean to make something 'new'?
If who we are is so heavily influenced by our environments, and the perspectives of others, are we just reflections ourselves?
Or can you choose who you are, in this world?
south flume
ripe harbor
lusty cypress
like- If things conform *to* their reflections, is the original one the 'real' o...
Reminded of how ryunosuke akutagawa saw all stories as inspired by previous stories. The same stories repeating endlessly
His fable Spider's Thread took inspiration from a Christian fable from Dostoevsky
Hell Screen took inspiration from another Japanese story
lusty cypress
The baby is you
low surge
I swear to god Toby is gonna show Suzy but only while I’m driving to work for an hour
ripe harbor
sinful crag
i have one busy weekend and apparently undertale gets reborn
ripe harbor
Undertale if it was good instead of bad (Spamton is in it)
sage needle
The 2026 date at the end of chapter 4 was probably the closest we were going to get but I was honestly like 5% certain that Toby was going to surprise us with an extra chapter when 3 and 4 came out lol
rain lotus
i'm tired and bleary eyed so i read "japanese" as a file operation
ripe harbor
Toby came down in support of Burgerpants x MTT instead of Burgerpants x Nice Cream Guy
Asriel's 'bat'
guess this narrative haunter
sharp lodge
that part in new home always gets me
low surge
Managed to catch the omega flowey fight
sage needle
Oh my god the lore is donation goals
low surge
The sans fight lmao
HES DOING THE SANS DANCE
“The tutorial for girls liking girls” -Toby Rober Allen Henry Fox
True Lab time
strange cloud
What
low surge
In the true lab rn
There was like a weird omega-floweyesque photoshop creepy thing but that’s about the only new thing here so far
Man the vhs tapes always fuck me up. Actual glimpse into Asgore and Toriel’s relationship. They really loved each other.
rain lotus
this guy loves jesters
low surge
There was like a weird omega-floweyesque photoshop creepy thing but that’s about...
Weird laughing walls
sour mesa
HEY YOU FUN IDIOTS
low surge
EVERYMAN LORE?!?!?
“Just a good guy who shows up sometimes. Everyone can get along with I’m, at least I think so. He has lots to share”
Not an exact quote
There wasn’t really much new in the true lab
ripe harbor
there was a voice- a voice from the phone...
I didn't realize flowey said See You Soon too
weird phrase that keeps cropping up
low surge
Hyperdeath Asriel confirmed to be Asriel’s OC
sharp lodge
yeah
also i like the idea that the drawing on asriel's computer in dr is this too
sans doesn't talk in comic sans in the asriel fight because corn was in the way????? what does that mean?
it's probably a joke but idgi
sour mesa
you know how it is with corn
sharp lodge
not really
this fight always gets me, especially at the end
i'm glad deltarune exists because it means that there's a version of asriel that gets to live
also i think one of my favorite jokes in the whole game is that napstablook didn't get absorbed into asriel
low surge
sans doesn't talk in comic sans in the asriel fight because corn was in the way?...
Cornplating
Is my guess
Since he’s made that joke several times this stream
sharp lodge
oh
low surge
New Home section
strange cloud
serene loom
underfell confirmed for canon???
sage needle
I love how the new ruins room was just a nose nuzzling contest.
low surge
I was highkey hoping Asgore would have been there but I’ll take MK
ripe harbor
I would say he could apply next year, but they're going to the surface
so
there will probably be No More Nuzzles
low surge
It’s still so fucking funny that Gerson is like “thank god they’re bitter and divorced now Asgore and Toriel were too cute”
low surge
there will probably be No More Nuzzles
low surge
WHAT THE FUCK
sage needle
Holy shit ridiculously powerful enemies?
"It worships everything [[The Dog]] doesn't say" very meta very good
"You explain to Aberrant this new area is probably just for show"
This is great lol
low surge
Human-Monster War lore?!?!?
sage needle
I think this has all been very sweet. Just such a nice little thing to get everyone's creative juices flowing and reminding everyone how much space there is outside the narrative to explore
low surge
On one hand I do kinda wish we could have explored these new areas, but I figured they were very barebones and only showing what was actually functional. And I’m satisfied with Toby’s explanation for why and his general understanding of how the world is larger than what we see and we have to fill in the gaps
Yeah this was insane
ripe harbor
I do kinda wish he didn't 'have to' explain, to keep up the keyfabe
ripe harbor
but some people were legit clamouring for them
low surge
I’m satisfied with just seeing it
sage needle
I mean we've already seen the fanart that all this has inspired
low surge
"Abberant refuses to give up its assumptions!"
He had to get a few cheeky jabs in there
sage needle
It did it's job and now I'm going to be dreaming about the little monster city in the ruins
low surge
I’m 100% expecting people to incorporate this into new fan games or something
ripe harbor
I wasnt expecting Gerson
low surge
Yeah that was crazy
sage needle
Yeah Gerson was a huge lore thing and also hits so hard after chapter 4
I hope that a future chapter will grab a tiny little character from Undertale and turn them into a fan favorite
But I think Gerson was one of the only ones missing. Like all the other store keepers are accounted for
ripe harbor
I hope that a future chapter will grab a tiny little character from Undertale an...
The suspicious 'QC' naming:
low surge
QC plot relevance when?!?!?
ripe harbor
(and sprites from the newsletter)
low surge
Plot twist chapter 5 is the diner we get 1 Asgore scene and then he doesn’t appear for the rest of the game
sage needle
QC?
low surge
Bunny lady that runs the inn in Undertale and the diner in Deltarune
manic parrot
the nice lady who runs the diner
ripe harbor
She was unnammed in Snowdin, and got an official name in DR thats reacted to in the intro naming segment
sage needle
The diner scenes with her are all really cute
strange cloud
Peak
It’s simply peak
Also am I crazy or are some of the sprite in the credits more detailed then normal?
sage needle
You might just be crazy
ripe harbor
did you catch the part where
Gerson was waxing poetic about a human looking 'beautiful' or something in the magician robe
Unc still got it
STATIC
ngl I forgot about the kickstarter credits
strange cloud
Gerson was waxing poetic about a human looking 'beautiful' or something in the m...
I did!
Insane lore drop now
Recontextualizes
The entire war
sage needle
Again it's so sweet how the theme of the entire event is basically "make your own things".
sage needle
Toby literally said at one point he loves when people make things he's not involved with
low surge
I should get back into doing pixel art
sage needle
~~that door was cruel~~
Maybe you should write some fanfiction about what's behind the door
Maybe I should write some fan fiction about what's behind the door
Maybe I should write a 1000 page epic about Gerson and his human allies in the war
Or not
strange cloud
~~Maybe you should write some fanfiction about what's behind the door~~
MAYBE I WILL
vocal elbow
The Gerson bit felt like Toby going "So here's some ideas you could use to make your own Human-Monster War story or fangame".
sage needle
Absolutely. And even if it's not a sign to make your own thing it still gets all the theory heads thinking again
Like it's a detail that barely matters but it will be enough for the people who care
manic parrot
The Gerson bit felt like Toby going "So here's some ideas you could use to make ...
Toby Fox looking straight at the camera and saying "fanfiction is cool and good"
low surge
Truth
glacial ibex
Toby Fox looking straight at the camera and saying "fanfiction is cool and good"
toby saying "Ceroba is hot and the undertale yellow game is guuuuuud"
low surge
UTY is pretty fun, haven’t finished yet
I hope this stream inspires more people to do things like it
glacial ibex
I mean we have "red"
which came after yellow
and its basically an attempt at basically fusing the canon of yellow into original undertale
low surge
I need to give outertale a try
low surge
I mean we have "red"
Seen that, also on the list
Imagine in 10 years there’s gonna be Deltarune AU games
Crazy shit to think about
How messed up is it that Chapter 1 10 year anniversary is 3 years away?
The low key reveal that Gerson bagged a they/them wizard baddie before the war
God I wish I was him
This also confirms all humans are non binary thanks Tony
“Gerson… I’m in love with you”
🐢 “The war”
“Type shit”
low surge
Did anyone else look at this and think Jerma?
ripe harbor
This also confirms all humans are non binary thanks Tony
The Mew Mew Kissy Cutie Anime Series Main Character:
the real truth is that they're they/them because of the wizard part
low surge
You know what real
I knew there was a reason I always play mages
You get free pronouns when you Awaken
ripe harbor
sour mesa
oh good we got some archived
https://undertale.com/10/
low surge
He was so real for this
@RandomG3865578 waiter waiter more Monster Kris slop please please please
Homophobia allegations beaten
ripe harbor
are we sure Kris isn't homophobic
you know in that edgy middle-high schooler outcast kid 'ironic' way
low surge
Asriel is their brother
white basalt
given they're nonbinary, it seems unlikely; that said, i've seen worse cognitive dissonance
low surge
you know in that edgy middle-high schooler outcast kid 'ironic' way
Homophobic but also cooking up the most complicated interlinking polycules you’ve ever seen
rain lotus
are we sure Kris isn't homophobic
they made a dark world full of gay people
lusty cypress
Oh damn
Tenna x spamton is so popular if wuickly caught up to other ships and tilted the yuri index of fanfic from about 50% to 4X%
low surge
The power of toxic old man yaoi
low surge
The Mike Polycule is elite too
Toby Fox preforming alchemy creating the most insane shipping fodder you’ve ever seen
low surge
amber jolt
WAIT WHAT
eager hinge
WAIT ***WHAT***
gerson had feelings for and was in a relationship with a human before the war
he also says that legend has it that humans lost the capacity for magic after the barrier was raised
amber jolt
ohhhh
eager hinge
The human in question was only referred to as they
so some people are drawing old man yaoi
some people are drawing yaori
low surge
Imagine fumbling your they/them situationship and being sealed under a mountain for a thousand years I’d crash out so hard
amber jolt
😔
strange cloud
sage needle
scarlet wadi
Bluesky
ripe harbor
Imagine fumbling your they/them situationship and being sealed under a mountain ...
wym its the wizard that fumbled Gerson no doubt
thats the Hammer of Justice
ripe harbor
they made a dark world full of gay people
and let that whole place turn to stone / be killed by the knight. because they HATE gay people ||/s||
sour mesa
https://bsky.app/profile/tobyfox.undertale.com/post/3lzfhuhsosk2e
10th anniversary sans kicking my butt
ripe harbor
its a very good bit that he doesn't do damage but the attacks have collision
sour mesa
It's so funny
ripe harbor
oh neat
every graphic that in the stream got uploaded publically on the site?
piles of sansdance
inland hare
I can’t believe Gerson had a relationship with a human mage before the war
ripe harbor
thats funny the little hotel guys playing the music
are named
"Passionate_Sax"
my Goat!
inland hare
A pine tree man who cuts down pine trees
ripe harbor
people weren't talking about how directly that was referencing the themes of the violent routes lol
"My muscles got stronger, but my heart stayed the same"
inland hare
“Chara might not have been the nicest person but that doesn’t mean I won’t shoot mega death rainbows at you just to keep them with me a second longer”
ripe harbor
“Chara might not have been the nicest person but that doesn’t mean I won’t shoot...
tapping the alphys commentary where he said "I really like flawed characters"
Asriel + Chara both had issues but they're also literally kids
I really do like how much Asriel's big final form is just
the exact thing you'd see on the playground between kids mock fighting
"well this is my GIGA super SHOCKER BREAKER attack which deals a million damage."
"uh, nuh-uh! I survive it."
and then he starts crying about how its not fair
strange cloud
He just like me fr
inland hare
Just because like Asriel acknowledges Chara is flawed
ripe harbor
doesn't mean they didn't care
inland hare
Doesn’t mean Asriel doesn’t love Chara
ripe harbor
yeah
ripe harbor
& its noticable when you compare Omega Flowey to Asriel too
Flowey talked all this stuff about making it to the outside world and killing everyone and etc etc
meanwhile none of that matters to Asriel
inland hare
It’s Chara’s dream
ripe harbor
(it might not have mattered really to Flowey either, but Idk if he knew that)
ripe harbor
It’s Chara’s dream
well even in the Hyperdeath fight its like
he's even more powerful than Flowey, but he doesn't care about anything other than 'Chara'
inland hare
All the power of a god and hyperfocused on keeping Chara with him forever
Even if it means giving up godhood
ripe harbor
sometimes peoples character reads are just so binary lmao
I couldn't believe there were people out there who were like 'sans doesn't care if you kill his brother'
inland hare
Chara isn’t innocent but they are genuinely loved
ripe harbor
I'm still a little ❓ on Chara's characterazation & relationship / commentary on the player with their actual characterization as a character
but I just don't think about it 😌
inland hare
I just figure they were a person very much alike Kris
ripe harbor
like how much of Chara should be read as fully their own person
inland hare
Just a regular, maybe mildly creepy prankster who’s willing to do violence to protect their loved ones
And maybe overly self sacrificing
ripe harbor
maybe a little suicidal, maybe a little misanthropic
inland hare
Yeah
ripe harbor
they didn't climb that mountain for a happy reason
inland hare
But not fundamentally a bad person
ripe harbor
more willing to hurt people than they should've been
inland hare
Just kinda messed up and in a situation where they can’t really get advice for their issues
ripe harbor
Asriel was right about that- that he made the right choice at the time
ripe harbor
Just kinda messed up and in a situation where they can’t really get advice for t...
yeah for me the saddest part of the Asriel / Chara plotline is basically
that they'll never get to move on from those issues
neither of them get to grow up
so those worst moments and bad decisions define them, just because they can't ever move on from them
(because they died)
thats pretty sad
inland hare
Yeah
ripe harbor
Chara could've worked through their issues- they never will.
inland hare
I suspect Toby will keep the nature of chara narrator theory ambiguous
It’s probably the most popular fan theory
Although the point that confuses the shit out of me still
Is how much of the Heart is you or Chara
ripe harbor
10 years and the same BULLSHIT is still mysterious
inland hare
The fact that at the end of genocide route Chara demands your Soul kinda implies that the Heart belongs to You, doesn’t it?
ripe harbor
devious trickery
ripe harbor
The fact that at the end of genocide route Chara demands your Soul kinda implies...
they say
'your power brought me back to life'
so idk
🤷♂️
inland hare
So yeah the Red Soul is Yours
And so what’s Chara, just some weird ghost?
Do they even sell ghost chocolates
ripe harbor
I think this part of chara might actually be a little- hmm
I dont know how to say it
I think some of the ideas that went into geno-chara as a character might show up again in DR more fleshed out, considering the whole Shadow Mantle Holder subplot
if its rough in UT it might legit be a sort of first draft for the concepts
inland hare
Honestly if the holder of the shadow mantle address me as a partner I’ll scream
But as always
Keep your knife hand sharp
Unused functions deteriorate
ripe harbor
Honestly if the holder of the shadow mantle address me as a partner I’ll scream
could be!
inland hare
Mutual dependency leads to atrophy
ripe harbor
though that part seems like Dreemurr thing more than a chara thing
sour mesa
Chara *could've* worked through their issues- they never will.
narrator chara still real
ripe harbor
I feel like Chara in DR theories are like a horseshoe lmao
inland hare
Yeah the word that would confirm the shadow mantle holder as Chara for me would be “Partner”
Only one other person uses that word in UT DR and the other person is fucking snowy
ripe harbor
its like level 0 "The mysterious voice that interrupts is definitely chara!" -> "lol of course its not chara" -> "well- hmm. In a thematic sense, the concepts are sort of related in like a meta way"
I don't think its 'literally' Chara
or, if it is, it'd be more like
inland hare
The idea of them yeah
ripe harbor
Genocide chara was the shadow mantle holder? And thats why they're characterization is a bit stretchable?
inland hare
The “idea” of gaining power
ripe harbor
They do call themselves 'the demon that comes when you call its name'
inland hare
That emotion that’s always present
When playing the game
“How do I become stronger”
a very addicting and forceful ideology
I felt it’s draw very personally in chapter 4
||the moment I killed two titan spawn and it gave me “you are becoming stronger,” my first thought was “huh can I farm this encounter?”||
After confirming my HP did in fact rise
ripe harbor
||the moment I killed two titan spawn and it gave me “you are becoming stronger,...
if you fight the new enemy encounters on the website ||and end the fight with violence, you get this message.||
inland hare
Shush you Chara
ripe harbor
inland hare
But yeah I’m actually glad I went down with immediate violent reaction against titan spawn route though
Because the immediate pull out f that emotion and dopamine rush from becoming stronger
And the chill that followed immediately in the realization
Was an experience that I don’t think I’ll get again
“Ah… this must be what Chara feels like” kind of realization
You lash out against a justified target once after an entire run of tempering your bloodlust
Become stronger
And you immediately start looking for your next fix
It’s a very Show not Tell way to describe geno Chara monologue if you get me
A very effective way to suggest that the temptation is always present
Even if you feel you are justified
The realization basically recontextualized genocide route for me more or less
ripe harbor
I felt too bad for the Spawn to attack them, at least before seeing what purify did
They don't mean any harm, because they don't mean anything
inland hare
Yeah specifically I had the Shard knife
ripe harbor
yeah susie get their ass. Rude buster that mf.
inland hare
And I really wanted to see just how effective it was
Was very surprised when it basically one hit them
That thing outdamages rude busters on a basic attack
But yeah I didn’t feel bad about killing titanspawns because I don’t mind killing meaningless things
But yeah that titan fight was so well designed in terms of subtle narrative messaging
ripe harbor
I think its because I don't think of the gang or myself as particularly different from the titan spawn, at a base level
like damn when did I start becoming myself
inland hare
yeah susie get their ass. Rude buster that mf.
I also tend to think morality on this stuff is different when applied to Susie
Susie had her role and circumstance thrust upon her by surprise
You volunteered for this
And you probably wouldnt be here if you didn’t like hurting digital characters sometimes
ripe harbor
honestly quite a lot of my gut reaction to the characters actions in DR relates to Susie
Ralsei lies to me, but he might have a good reason idk
Ralsei lying to Susie?!? How could you
Kris manipulating me and sandbagging the Knight fight, wow rude but you're in a tough spot
but susie wants to win so
I'm locking tf in we're getting their ass
sour mesa
Despite the soul being literally inserted into Kris, Susie matches the IRL players' knowledge status better
kris is hiding something ralsei is hiding something
Susie's not hiding any Lore just not talking about her past
probably
mock me if this changes
ripe harbor
sorry Susie I would tell you theres actually 4 of us and Kris & the soul are meaningfully distinct rn but I cant
and SOME PEOPLE in the party who know aren't telling you >:(
tidal fox
once again, Susie is the real main character
ripe harbor
Despite the soul being *literally* inserted into Kris, Susie matches the IRL pla...
yeah your goals are literally aligned against Kris' in the whole Noelle House segment
Susie wants the code, the plot doesn't progress until you try and get the code
sour mesa
kris. you have been outvoted
strange cloud
I can’t get over people saying that Toby confirmed Suselle in that stream
I knew it was confirmed, I played the game
tidal fox
that was in question?
strange cloud
Apparently!
I knew there were bad takes about it being one sided but I did not realize how common they were lol
rain lotus
Despite the soul being *literally* inserted into Kris, Susie matches the IRL pla...
my deranged hypothesis is susie is a frisk-shaped creature
low surge
Hey Tony what’s that mean Toby
timber widget
Sans has a soft spot for scientists. SansxGaster canon #true
sour mesa
my deranged hypothesis is susie is a frisk-shaped creature
I don't think this sunk in. What does this mean
ripe harbor
frisk is a lizard theory 
rain lotus
I don't think this sunk in. What does this mean
Frisklike
Determination
i would have to ask frisk what being frisklike means
but it's a vibe
sour mesa
i see it all now
rain lotus
real frisk quote
low surge
*every* graphic that in the stream got uploaded publically on the site?
Except Noelle…
ripe harbor
Except Noelle…
every important graphic that was in the stream got uploaded publically on the site?
if it's missing anything, they must not be important
low surge
No one else important
rain lotus
oh fuck that explains a lot
ripe harbor
oh fuck that explains a lot
does it?
rain lotus
No but it explains whatever the fuck a memoryhead is
ripe harbor
Idk if this next one was intentional when the game was first made, but in the stream they equate Flowey's weird shaped face to the heart shape
sour mesa
it's a head, remember
ripe harbor
I Don't
nextime you should try to Don't Forget instead
also its one of the more obvious direct inspirations imo but Toby says he based their shape on Giygas
maybe theres also a little bit of a brain in there or something
memory "head"
as for what it is
drew near!
No data available.
[Get item: 'Bad Memory' - Check: ?????```idk 'corrupted data'?
"Bad Memory"
ripe harbor
guess your memory was off
I think they're my favorite amalgam, besides Snowy's Mom
(which is just very sad)
they have unique text if you attack them compared to any other amalgamate afaik
but I should double check that
nah they all got it
the person who told me the other thing.... was wrong?!?
🤯
huh
This might be a change I haven't seen anybody point out in the 10th anniversary stream?
Memoryhead comes out of a different sink? Unless its always the last one interacted with?
ripe harbor
I never payed attention enough in my playthrough
and every video I could find in 5 minutes always interacts with all the sinks in the same order lmao
Jamrock Shuffle Masters
vocal elbow
Basically if you just keep examining the same sink it'll spawn off of it.
ripe harbor
yeah that checks out
alright I wanted to check this yesterday but was too tired, and yup
Every amalgam but Memoryhead gets the comment "I think I did a good job drawing this enemy."
"The amalgams carry on a tradition I do where later enemies are cut up versions of previous sprites."
yeah, except for one...
that one carries on the 'finding faces / smiles where there aren't, in random shapes' thing, huh. The one related to missing data, and memories, and phones. And 'Fun'.
this is my snowdin noelle
I just gotta wait.... I just gotta see where it goes......
DID find this cool animation while checking the amalgam stuff
restive comet
ripe harbor
low surge
timber widget
Bro is living in 2011
ripe harbor
I wonder sometimes if Spamton quoting 'UNUSED' in his shop dialogue was the first time Kris has heard (presumably) Dess' voice since she went missing
like can you imagine
how do you even react to that
timber widget
Oh god
clear frost
"HUH? NO, I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING JUST NOW!"
"BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE THEY WERE TALKING TO YOU"
Puppet Boy why do you know that dess is currently incredibly dessperate for contact?
ripe harbor
"HUH? NO, I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING JUST NOW!"
"BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE THEY WERE TALKI...
nevermind that Dess why is your scared pleas the top ""result"" for "Fear"
you ask the weird guy you met & want to help about 'fears' and he starts channeling the scared voice of your missing neighbor flawlessly without even seeming to realize
guess you can just find all sorts of soundclips in the static
sharp lodge
ripe harbor
Materia Collective is who got Gaster theory:
(He included UT music in 'his' 'fanwork' without proper license)
rain lotus
https://www.tumblr.com/fwugradiation/795428911409496064/i-was-listening-to-my-ol...
this is a bit right
i don't know music theory
ripe harbor
this is a bit right
wym?
rain lotus
there's no freedom motif in his theme......
ripe harbor
I don't think there is in what he posted?!?
I might be wrong there
I dont see the classic _-_ bit
ripe harbor
true and real
rain lotus
that's the . . . boss monster motif
look i was a victim of a crime yesterday i don't remember who i am
ripe harbor
Asgores theme actually does have a little bit of similarities to a common little bit in the DR secret bosses but I dont think its intentional or meaningful
just a repeated bit with the same intervals
oh did you know the UT 10th stream song that plays in the underwater bits
also has 'The Holy' in it?
You can hear it at 0:47, and again at 0:56
I'm always a little surprised how quickly people call the UT underground 'the light world' tbh
I don't think the distinction matters in UT at all, but its got a lot more similarities to the space dark worlds take up in DRs narrative
being this fantastical magical space filled with non-physical creatures 'underneath' the normal world
both are even the only places 'Saving and loading' seem to happen
They obviously got some big differences, but idk. Its adjacent to the way the Dark Worlds are presented? Its in the same ballpark, or closer to them than to our normal world?
strange cloud
Also I can’t believe Berdly has 2 bum moms
foggy python
strange cloud
In the 10th anniversary stream we see this blue bird teacher that people think is Berdly’s mom and this other bird gets called a nerd by Spamton
sour mesa
glacial ibex
inland hare
This is actually kinda interesting
At some point during the weird route
||if you try to avoid a battle, Noelle grabs you and drags you over to initiate the battle anyways||
Or maybe this is just a fan addition
Who knows at this point
sour mesa
yeah northernblight just does this
inland hare
Oh hey
There’s a theory that kinda makes sense
What if Ralsei is literally a darkener form of the town’s holy text
It would explain why he can exist in a library, school storage room, church, and toriel’s house
And why he was created with knowledge of the prophecy
sour mesa
Huh
That might fit
I was thinking the prophecy might just be in the basement of his castle
inland hare
Well his scarf would also be explained in this way
glacial ibex
wouldnt that mean that his real self is a scarf?
inland hare
It’s the little ribbon marker that comes with thick books
Also other book based monsters look very similar to him
Being wizards in thick robes
inland hare
That might fit
Yeah but I mean he describes himself as just knowing things
If he learned it through studying something else I don’t think he would’ve said that
So knowledge is integral to his true nature
sour mesa
that would be really cool with like
the way Deltarune plays with translation/adaptation of a text
inland hare
Yeah
And also explain his fatalistic demeanor
Going off the script is literally unthinkable for him because he is the script
The Scripture
ripe harbor
Also I can’t believe Berdly has 2 bum moms
it could be 3, even. Nothing's stopping us.
Infinite Bum Works
crimson badger
Enter stage left Rouxls Kaard
ripe harbor
I was thinking the prophecy might just be in the basement of his castle
he goes up and just kinda sticks his head in the Grand Fountain of Pure Darkness for a bit and it just downloads right in
strange cloud
it could be 3, even. Nothing's stopping us.
More Krusielle evidence
ripe harbor
piles of polycules
low surge
Deltarune is polycules all the way down
ripe harbor
and divorce
low surge
~~More Krusielle evidence~~
Kralsusielle, if you’re woke enough
ripe harbor
the bonds you break make you stronger
low surge
Shit this means Asgore is gonna be a beast
strange cloud
Kralsusielle, if you’re woke enough
Together, the fun gang can be bums to a whole new generation
low surge
They defraud the government for millions, their poly story will change what you think about love
ripe harbor
I feel like a content WRETCH but I am still kinda riding the high from the 1.5 
references in the 10th stream
thats honestly more than I was expecting
low surge
The candy and what else?
sharp lodge
ripe harbor
The candy and what else?
oh I wasnt even counting the candy
the 1 is Spamton 'looking around' and then doing the crestfallen face in reaction to "Cat.... ['sup?]"
the 0.5 is the cut waterfall room dialogue about the mysterious disappearing friend because I'm a truther for it 😤
low surge
@JazzeBee_
crimson badger
gaster's theme if it was full of whimsy
eager hinge
ripe harbor
https://www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1noy522/new_discovery_knights_damage...
noooo 😭 they're (poster) so close too
you gotta post less about the specific theme (which is definitely not there) and start posting about the fact that their damage sprite is a depiction of a waveform / signal
& then what that implies
its way more interesting than hallucinating Gasters Theme !!!
strange cloud
I have the Gaster brain bug and yah that’s a huge fucking reach already
Like, we have the holes in their hands
That’s enough
ripe harbor
exactly!
strange cloud
We don’t need this too