Undertale and Deltarune

[ripe harbor]

wouldn't be surprised if literalizing that is why theres so much water symbolism around the dark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt_q0SwWtV4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xmcQqEj3G4

maybe?

The sound of noise is the sound of water?

and thats why you end up with

https://youtu.be/fMfro9XfU1w?si=uAkUmDR9GnoZnUgX&t=32
https://youtu.be/hvgzhA6T21g?si=XgZkR-zpmlNjMG9W&t=134

songs like BIT ROOTS or Crumbling Tower having these ocean wave / static cut ins?

Both represent the same concept?

Collectively, this all points toward getting Lost in the dark as something like signal loss, imo

Or the data loss you get from compression / transmission / whatever

which definitely describes the knight

"Lossy compression typically reduces bits by removing unnecessary or less important information."

Who needs 80% of your identity, anyway? You've got a sword

[rain lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-delta-rune-deltarune-chapter-2-delta-rune-chapter-2-gummychan-gif-9180173700912629927

[ripe harbor]

Idk how this ties into the magic and the angelic stuff and the titans as having ever-watching eyes

feels like theres a pun on memory as experience, and memory as data, and maybe making both the same thing

Definition-of-the-world is stored in the eyes,

but at that point I'm just saying words

at least a good chunk of the aesthetic inspiration seems to be wave-transmission and information theory though

It also fits Ralsei's general explanation for Dark Worlds - TV Static is the reciever interpretating random information as if it were an intended signal. Thats pretty much what he's saying Lightners do when exposed to Dark.

anyway,

https://www.tumblr.com/4917/793764043604279296/ok?source=share

Caedō, ergo sum

ok

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[rain lotus]

i love how they exported the gif wrong when he walks away

[amber jolt]

whoa

uboa

[low surge]

That’s just how hard starwalker slapped him

[rain lotus]

https://www.tumblr.com/wtf-drawing/793318382497824768/he-is-not-helping

Romance

he is not helping

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[low surge]

He’s trying his best okay

[rose swallow]

i do think it's neat that two of the characters the fandom is most obsessed with are characters 90% of casual players won't even know their names

[ripe harbor]

the fandom doesn't even know one of their names 💀

unless you mean Gaster

[rose swallow]

I meant December and Gaster

[sour mesa]

"casual player" meaning, a player totally disconnected from the fandom?

[ripe harbor]

December definitely is known by casuals

(source: I watched my casual friends playthroughs and they picked up on all the Noelle Sister stuff by the end of Chapter 3)

Gaster absolutely though

[sour mesa]

idk i'm thinking like

[serene loom]

youd be amazed how many people just play games and dont interact with anyone else about it

[sour mesa]

both undertale and deltarune were hugely driven by word of mouth, right

which does not mean Substantial Fandom Integration

but you can keep hearing words from those mouths

and some of those words are gaster

[ripe harbor]

They aren't able to make particular note of any gaster-y parts of DR, though

is basically my experience

They can know the name Gaster, they have no opinion on the direct quotes of Entry 17 from UT

so its effectively like he's a non-entity

I think most DR playthroughs I've personally watched were by people who never played UT

thats kinda funny

also extremely funny how much hype & aura Gaster got from a fandom that was

entirely unaware he was (mainly?) DR foreshadowing

[rain lotus]

dawg i remember people were making battle tracks for him

we didn't even know if that sprite was him or not

inventing a guy

god bless

[serene loom]

we still dont!

my theory is that The Man is Gaster, "but he doesnt use wingdings!", correct, because he doesnt speak, all of his conversations are narrated which sidesteps that entirely

[ripe harbor]

behold, canon gaster sprite:

at least, uh, some part of this

probably the little face

[serene loom]

the secret egg stuff is also the closest thing to the secret fun value rooms in UT

[rain lotus]

yeah i think The Fucker is gaster too

[serene loom]

so its sort of parallel interaction, just more fleshed out and less "weird pseudo easter egg"

[ripe harbor]

it is also direct text that he's in pieces

add Gasters as needed

[rain lotus]

or at least chunks of him yeah

collect my chunks.

my partner started calling them "chunks" instead of "pieces" when the topic comes up and its spread to me. such an unappealing way to describe it

[ripe harbor]

the Voice with the Glowing Text is absolutely him though

[serene loom]

yeah

[ripe harbor]

literally Him, because its theme is "Another Him"

[serene loom]

also speaks exactly like him

including in the JP version, which makes it basically canon given how the JP translation works

[ripe harbor]

the difference in speaking styles is also the strongest evidence whenever other Spooky Mystery Characters appear that they aren't(?) Gaster

or at least have some sort of different relationship to him and his chunks than the usual one

[serene loom]

yeah

[ripe harbor]

so its why
(along with the question of "why would he do all that")
I can be pretty confident saying that the Mantle Holder wasn't Gaster, lmao

I still think Gaster is going to be properly introduced as part of the main plot in Deltarune

in a non-easter egg way

[serene loom]

whoever The Voice is (and whoever the other voice is) will definitely be important later, though how/why exactly isn't clear

i'm assuming bunker reveals on par with the true lab stuff

[rain lotus]

it'd be fucked up if it's somehow a reveal without revealing him

[serene loom]

it'd make sense. DR's Gaster counterpart was also "lost" as a result of whatever the bunker's secret is and now he's outside normal reality interacting directly with the player in order to do [?????]

[low surge]

Torturing teenagers because he’s bored

[ripe harbor]

I'm interested in how self-contained it will be

if someone plays only DR, and never interacts with the fandom, will they still get the character of The Weird Voice?

[serene loom]

the voice is definitely Involved™, i mean, there's a whole set of "interactions" with the knight boss fight

and the end of ch4 message(s)

[ripe harbor]

judging by the gaster follower fun events

he 'fell into his creation' until it swallowed him up

so he's probably still just trying to- I guess finish it?

nothing but that part of him remains

[serene loom]

im still of the opinion that Deltarune and Undertale are actually completely seperate

Sans =/= Sans

Gaster =/= Gaster

etc

[ripe harbor]

I mean more thematically than otherwise

[serene loom]

fair

the question is what his creation will be in DR

[ripe harbor]

like whats the narrative point of having the followers express that about him, if its DR foreshadowing

It puts him in a position where he's seemingly not in control- he's shattered and eclipsed by his work

which does fit very easily into the game about "What if you could bring inanimate things to life"

Whatever he made might've taken on a life of its own

[serene loom]

one very very weird possibility (theory)

is that Hometown's particular significance to the prophecy is, intentional or accidental, manufactured

[rain lotus]

me when i have to ruin kris' life because i'm bored 🤝

[serene loom]

consider if Darkness just exists everywhere all the time, just "out of sight", and ANY sufficiently motivated Lightner can create a Dark World on demand. Why are the events of the prophecy happening in this time and place, to these people? What if Hometown is the only place where Darkness is currently accessible, what if Gaster made the Darkness accessible?

[ripe harbor]

the universe is actually playing sonic the hedgehog through me

so its really its fault not mine

[serene loom]

what if Gaster, doing experiments down in the bunker, found a way to tap into the primordial darkness lying underneath all reality? He fell into it, he was lost, he was shattered, he wasn't there anyway, he was never there at all.

PHOTON READINGS NEGATIVE

the concept of there being a "source" also might explain 1. why the Roaring Knight is special 2. why the black shard can exist in the light world 3. what the deal with Carol's black katana (that Asgore refers to as a black shard) is

fragments of his experiment/creation/DEVICE

[ripe harbor]

broadly agreed

I'm not sure you could make a Dark World outside of Hometown

at least not without whatever-the-bunkers-got going on

[serene loom]

that could actually be a really funny in-game discovery

i was about to suggest "oh kris and susie are deep in the woods for some reason" before realizing thats definitely going to happen

[ripe harbor]

(this is also why I suspect the thing that shattered Gaster might actually have its origins in Hometown, instead of The Underground)

[serene loom]

https://i.imgur.com/bHc1yGV.png

[ripe harbor]

theres also

[rain barn]

this is absolutely not what you mean but this gives me the idea of "what if hometown itself is some sort of dark world, i.e. not real"

[serene loom]

that i doubt

[ripe harbor]

quite a lot of text in game about darkness as being 'pulled' upwards - its never made by the person making the fountain

[rain barn]

yeah I don't think home town not being real would work thematically

[serene loom]

yeah and it very clearly sprays forth from the ground when released

[ripe harbor]

I think this could be true in a sort of reverse-way

[serene loom]

and "fills" the space before the actual dark world is created

[rain lotus]

what if gaster was always scattered?

[ripe harbor]

as in, Hometown existing instead of any Dark World is semi-arbitrary

and the concept of 'reality' is more of a fluid property than something innate

(so people could, for example, lose it and become not real)

[serene loom]

Darkness, the stuff that Dark Fountains emit, is clearly distinct from actual "lack of light" darkness

even if theyre related

[ripe harbor]

depends on what you mean

it seems retro-causal, at least

(though its mostly Gaster who makes the Dark seem that way, with the prophecy)

(Scattered across space and time)

[serene loom]

i think its like the prophecy, Gaster is shattered because Gaster will be shattered.

[ripe harbor]

why didn't he just achieve CHIM? Is he stupid?

[serene loom]

the prophecy is tautological, it exists outside the flow of events. it is because it is. it will be because it will be.

[low surge]

Bro couldn’t see the wheel become the tower

[ripe harbor]

yeah, I always read the prophecy less as a mandate and more a record

[low surge]

It’s so weird seeing CHIM evoked in non TES places is this shit just more common knowledge than I figured? Or are you a bearer of the curse too?

[ripe harbor]

its just a record of events from outside the flow of them- it knows the stories end because its in some way already there

[serene loom]

yeah its a record of the future. its uh

like the thing from the bible

Prophetic perfect tense!

[ripe harbor]

an apocalypse

[serene loom]

The prophetic perfect tense is a literary technique used in religious texts, most commonly in the Bible,[1] that describes future events that are so certain to happen that they are referred to in the past tense as if they had already happened.

[low surge]

In a weird way creating fountains isn’t so far off from CHIM when you think about it

Does Kris breathe in royalty?

[ripe harbor]

yeah the prophecy is written, at least the parts we see, always in present

for stuff we've already seen and the future

[low surge]

Missing hands does this mean Kris is the Nerevarine?

Wait no that was feet

[ripe harbor]

The static radio-wave stuff has me reminded of the Pale from DE

Horrific Necktie would have the shadowcrystal btw

[low surge]

Truth nuke

[rain lotus]

i was never huge tes lore diverhead but i remember vivec squirming about "chim" for some reason so i just think of him and it's really funny

[serene loom]

some parts are future tense, describing that characters will do something

[low surge]

Yeah VHEK is the big CHIM freak and generally the source of it

Or rather lore around it

[serene loom]

"they'll see the tail of hell take crawl" "jockington grows the beard" "they'll hear the ring of heaven's call"

(which is to say i dont think he's specifically going for PFT, just that its similar)

these aren't just predictions. they're Facts.

[ripe harbor]

actually I want to go back to this for a sec too

the fact that it pushes upwards so readily, and that opening more threatens to escape the confines of the dark world (through the Titans)

plus the general water theming

it gives the vibes of a growing pressure, at least to me

[serene loom]

yeah, thats part of why i theorize that it's not naturally like that

[ripe harbor]

& thats kind of why I think you get the message that the entire world ends if you stop playing in chapter 1

[serene loom]

Hometown has too much Darkness

[ripe harbor]

its going to burst

its held back for now but there is a lot of Darkness underground and its getting more and more intense

[serene loom]

even the term "fountain" gives the impression of something flowing forth from beneath the ground

its not a Dark Pool or Dark Source or Dark Well

[rain lotus]

Dark Thingy

[ripe harbor]

if only there was a Root to this Song from the Sea, cause I mean its all water- but Pipes Have To Go Somewhere, right?

[ripe harbor]

Dark Wingy Dingy

[rain lotus]

don't make another dark thingy!!!

[ripe harbor]

no idea what it would mean for the Bunker to have a 'source' of Darkness though, or at least a main channel

I mean you'd expect something like the Grand Fountain to be a source, I think

it could be technological, it could be magical, it could be something in between both

[serene loom]

i dont think the bunker is the source, not directly

just that Gaster could have tapped into that source

[ripe harbor]

It feels primordial

or at least representative of unformed creation or something

[serene loom]

think about it, people know about Darkness, even if the exact mechanics are apparently either secret or mysterious, it makes sense that someone like Gaster could want to investigate it, to research it. down in the bunker away from people is one of the best places to do it. if he also believed that Hometown was special, that could be another self-fulfilling element of the prophecy.

[ripe harbor]

If there was something in the town weirdly related to darkness & localized before the Shelter,

my bet would be something in the lake

Fallen 'Star', maybe?

[serene loom]

Gaster learns about Darkness, the Prophecy and Hometown -> Gaster moves to Hometown and begins working in the bunker -> Gaster performs experiments attempting to learn more about the physical nature of Darkness itself, how to access it, how it works, what it really is -> Gaster accidentally [...] -> The shelter is sealed

[ripe harbor]

You can get impact crater-lakes, and it'd be an easy way to add in something out of context for the magical elements -> the tech stuff

[serene loom]

also something i just realized going through someone's text dump of the whole game

the shelter isn't referred to until 1. SHELTER KEY 2. when you try to enter at the end of ch. 3

even during the interaction with Snowy and Monsterkid, they don't actually refer to it

[ripe harbor]

this is why I still trip up and call it Bunker sometimes

🤫

[serene loom]

You think it's true? You really think there's....
I ain't afraid! Only kids believe that stuff!

[ripe harbor]

it outs me as a pre-chapter 3 theoryhead

[serene loom]

You OK, Kris?
* ...What's...the deal with this place?
* Well, you don't gotta talk about it.

[ripe harbor]

the juiciest line is the one right after this

"You gonna be a weenie like Kris!?"```

because it was the first line that actually drew a personal connection between Kris and the Shelter

and also implied that something about what happened to Kris, or what they said, would give you reason to be scared of it

[serene loom]

same with Father Alvin

...? Kris? I do not know what you are experiencing recently, but...
* ... Kris, please, look to the Angel for guidance. I will pray for you as well.
* Kris... stay away from the shelter.

another part of Kris' personal history that we explicitly aren't privy to

[rain barn]

it would definitely fit for the town's dark secret, the pressure building up beneath the surface threatening to swallow the town, to metaphorically and literally be the shelter

the source of Darkness is one and the same as the source of latent community tension

[ripe harbor]

The question I suppose is if Dess' disapperance predates the Dark under the town, or if she fell into an existing supernatural nonsense thing

I think the later is more well supported now than it was, but it'd still be lacking a cause

(which is where you could introduce Mr. Ding, maybe)

and it would be a good time to give the prophecy full context

The game is the prophecy, its what the whole things named after, you probably want to elaborate a bit more on what it's deal is instead of just 'yeah its From the Shadows. It's from, y'know, Space and Time and all that`

at least if it was created or discovered

You can't drive home the parallels between Gerson-Gaster, or the prophecy as related to the re-interpretation of fiction stuff, without more explicitly giving it an author-figure

& for number motif reasons thats gotta be chapter 6, no doubt

Chapter 5: December Going Missing Event Backstory (and the town's reaction to how that went down, Asgore as chief of police backstory)
Chapter 6: Dark Metaphysics and History chapter (Roaring Knight, Titans, Shelter DW)
Chapter 7: ???

literal fever dream ending

my best prediction there is 'probably bittersweet'

my friend just DM'd me this

[rain lotus]

goly fuck sits doctor wing ding gaster

[low surge]

stuff like this makes me question the “everyone forgets Dess” stuff, because why would they remember whatever happened to Kris and remind them to stay away from the shelter, but not remember Dess. Granted we don’t have definitive evidence that Dess’ disappearance was related to it, but stuff like the Poor Children line heavily imply it

[serene loom]

yeah, i dont think anyome forgot

its pretty clearly That Thing We Don't Talk About

[low surge]

It’s a popular theory but I think there’s a few better explanations for why Dess doesn’t get brought up

[low surge]

Yeah I think that’s a big one, it mirrors a lot of tragedies in small towns and how people just try to move past it and not acknowledge

[serene loom]

everyone who knows about dess also knows kris was close to her and clearly wouldn't bring it up to them unless absolutely necessary

i think the only people who actually discuss dess in kris' presence are Tenna and Noelle

[low surge]

Rudy does as well

[serene loom]

right yeah

[low surge]

The church is the first time we get to directly ask about the shelter and everyone immediately clams up. It’s interesting that people don’t even want to talk about it to Kris themself when they’re explicitly asking about it. But then again we don’t control exactly what Kris says, and probably the question is along the lines of “do you know anything about the shelter” and people are probably thinking “shit not this again” and being polite by trying to steer around it

[ripe harbor]

do you think it reminds them of Asgore

[low surge]

Probably that too

[ripe harbor]

he's gotta have asked around

literal conspiracy board

[low surge]

Not just that Kris experienced something traumatic, but also bringing up the thing that got your dad to become a social pariah and the thing he continues to obsess over years later

Maybe social pariah is the wrong term

Nobody but Toriel seems to really hate the guy

More that they pity him/think he’s weird

But he also only goes to church at night to be alone which is interesting

[serene loom]

i think partly to avoid "intruding" on toriel (which he still does, obviously, but only "politely")

yknow

the church is trashed when we leave and no one else is there (probably)

what if asgore gets blamed for that?

[low surge]

Could be

I know people were really big on the idea that people in town would assume it was Susie and that she’d have a downward spiral as people assume the worst about her once again. Especially with the idea that Alvin would think the note was mocking. I could maybe see the first point, but does anyone even know the kids are at the church at that hour? And the latter I’m more doubtful of. It feels like it’s not a stretch to say Alvin is at least a little cued in to what’s happening, why else would Gerson’s hammer be dug up and in his office?

[serene loom]

alvin definitely knows something and gerson definitely knew something

theres layers to the mysteries

like, at least one conspiracy and maybe four or five

[sour mesa]

triple trucies

[serene loom]

no triple trucies!!

[sour mesa]

https://deltaruneboards.net/

deltarune forum

[low surge]

As for Asgore getting blamed, I could see that working

[low surge]

Aw hell yeah love dedicated forums

[rain lotus]

the asgore crashout feels inevitable

crashgore

[white basalt]

definintely possible if we get a scene of him, say, driving in his car right after a beer

[rain lotus]

all in on burgertruck

[low surge]

I flip flop on if Asgore is gonna have a crashout or he’s just gonna get real real sad

I’m still standing on him not being a boss fight personally, at least not of his own free will

[serene loom]

asgore crashout fakeout

has a freakout with a big speech that looks like its leading into a boss fight... then he just collapses sobbing to the floor

[low surge]

Nonzero chance this happens

I really can’t imagine Asgore fighting Kris unless he’s literally not in control of his body

Like even gun to the back of his head I doubt Asgore could bring himself to hurt Kris

[sour mesa]

he sees ralsei and goes berserk

what IS that thing

why does it have my son's face

except for the differences helpfully provided on a chart by my other child

[low surge]

Oh thank you Kris for this helpful handout that catalogues all of their differences I see now thank you

[ripe harbor]

in order to convince their dad, they need to embrace the conspiracy board

character growth....

[low surge]

Father Child bonding

[low surge]

This particular line always fucks with me. The general assumption is that Asgore wasn’t actively involved in Dess’ disappearance, but I just can’t figure what he means here. Is this in reference to his obsessive investigation? If it was, how is that keeping people safe? There’s really no indication of some greater risk, at least to those without knowledge of the dark worlds. How would an investigation in general keep people safe? It would have to mean revealing the dark worlds to people wouldn’t it? Is that what he means by “they’ll all believe me”?
The line makes it feel like Asgore had some greater involvement in whatever happened to Dess, but you’d think if that was the case there’d be more than him just being removed from the force and being considered a kind of weird guy. If people blamed him for her disappearance I feel like there’d be a much different tone around how other townsfolk discuss him.
Maybe it’s obvious but it’s something that really gives me pause.

[sharp lodge]

i think maybe it means that it would keep people from going missing in the same way

[rain lotus]

i'm still half in on he fought the knight and caused a staggering amount of property damage

[ripe harbor]

bro Onion-San is literally right outside your shop normally how are you this bad at saving people smh

[crimson badger]

asgore can't swim

[rain barn]

that's an image

[sour mesa]

undertale's fractal storytelling is so good

all right there in the demo

[ripe harbor]

seems a little farfetched. I mean, wouldn't we have heard about this child character by now if them existing was important?

[sour mesa]

Hypothetical Goatchild's existence can be deduced from the bedrooms in Home

[ripe harbor]

clearly Asgore was himself a fallen human that Toriel cared for before

it just makes the most sense

she clearly talks about multiple children falling before

but also doesn't want you to ever come back if you leave? Why? Easy- bad association with people who'd do something like that.

plus his name is in ```ansi
red text

what else is red? the soul

QED

[sharp lodge]

how do you think this person felt when they realized they were right?

[sinful crag]

https://tenor.com/view/vindication-brooklyn99-holt-gif-11799749

[ripe harbor]

its what all true theorists crave

[strange cloud]

ok to be fair hes kinda spittin

Im not fazed by it now because Im used to it

but a villain named asgore is objectively very silly

[ripe harbor]

kinda adds to UTs timeless charm imo

the names are so odd

of the main bosses Undyne's name is probably the least silly...? Even then

[rain barn]

everyone thinks asgore is bad at naming things, but the truth is, he cannot abide a name cooler than his

[ripe harbor]

Its just the actual myth creature lmao

[rain lotus]

ass gore dreamer

[rain lotus]

https://youtu.be/tikfo-o0FoU

toad theory

[sharp lodge]

https://old.rxddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1nasp0m/tenna_thats_the_wrong_game/?ref=share&ref_source=link

[ripe harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4kznXwTI9w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M34BittXRiA

this too

[crimson badger]

That one's really good

I'm quite partial to midocake's deltarune arranges but that one's really good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mV0TiuLz_4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By-2R-2TGTw
(also found this in my recs the other day and its )

yoooo they just uploaded a hammer of justice cover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPft1tZkaLE

[velvet olive]

inescapable

(this is from a piece of pokemon fanwriting [from 2023])

[rain lotus]

sorry this thumbnail makes me think of the seven gerson souls

[crimson badger]

more likely than you think and rapidly approaching your location

[timber widget]

"NO! YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO OBEY ME!!" The four colorful Gersons:

https://youtu.be/Vmi3LMgxEgw

[sour mesa]

i really like that one

[ripe harbor]

yeah I've been listening to it the past few days, its sick

[low surge]

From Now On is so good I honestly would be alright if it was the battle theme from now on

[strange cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[rain lotus]

Polite Buster

https://tenor.com/view/chapter-4-deltarune-chapter-4-owen-susie-susie-deltarune-gif-3597735565001531301

[sharp lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg5eTD1eu_M

[strange cloud]

Her greed sickens me

[ripe harbor]

Queen & Spamton

[ripe harbor]

Super funny thing for Kris to think during Chapter 3

"Why does this manifestation of my subconscious feature such a repeating motif of being trapped or imprisoned 🤔"

gee I dunno thats a tough one

[rose swallow]

are they kris's subconscious specifically?

[low surge]

Kris try not to torture themself challenge

[restive comet]

Beautiful

[rain lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/wing-gaster-chara-gif-460255226754081608

[ripe harbor]

The chapter 3 dark world, probably at least in part or majorly

I mean I don't know the specifics of how allat works,

but chapter 4 definitely seems to make it look like it is the fountain-maker's will that tinges the Dark World you get

instead of just, idk, narrative parallels

[velvet olive]

it changes the lighting, if nothing else

[ripe harbor]

Which isn't to say it doesn't also seem to have history that predates that fountain maker,

but I just don't think too hard about that tbh

Even the one remixed Dark World has consistent motifs and designs through two different Fountain Creators, so its not like it seems completely arbitrary

& both have knowledge of the prophecy inside that neither(?) character who made it would know in full- so theres some stuff beyond what the person stabbing the ground wants that gets through

probably some Space And Time bullshit

https://tenor.com/view/gaster-rap-wd-gaster-wingblings-wd-gaster-rap-gaster-rapping-gif-26169076

[velvet olive]

y'know

one thing that's been bugging us

how much of The Prophecy does the church know

do they know the Jockington line

do they know of the Flower Guy from Asylum

if they know of the Jockington line is like
is Jockington's name a coincidence somehow or is that like naming your kid Jesus

if,. what Jesus did in the bible was growing a beard

a beard that was secretly an evil cat....

[timber widget]

Alvin says "parts" of it are lost to time

What parts we do not know

The only things we know they know is that three heroes will save them somehow using medieval weaponry, and that darkness is somehow involved

[ripe harbor]

& that Ralsei has horns, according to Catty

& that its got Bad Stuff happening in it / isn't all nice (but Catty fell asleep during the readings so she forgor 💀)

you can probably read into Gerson's book series actually for a few others

they probably got "The Queen's Chariot Cannot Be Stopped." somewhere

because his book series includes a segment where the heroes have to protect the Queen while in chariots

('cannot' intepreted as 'cannot be allowed to stop', I guess.)

[timber widget]

This has me thinking about his chapter five

And the smith giving the heroes a terrible weapon

Assuming that is also in the prophecy, and it's not referring to the justice axe (given it's optional), what is it?

...we do know of another smith, who can make for us a rather ominous sword

(Always bet on Malius plot relevance)

...that's not chapter five though, but who knows

The prophecy wouldn't be split into chapters I don't think

[low surge]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-chapter-4-deltarune-deltarune-chapter-4-roaring-knight-true-gifs-gif-10457574261792655678

[low surge]

I need more Toriel and Asgore divorce content. I need comics. I need animatics set to No Children. I need fanfics of bitter and broken people trying to find meaning in the aftermath of the collapse of their love. Feed me the divorceslop inject it straight into my veins

[sharp lodge]

https://old.rxddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1ncfp8b/more_young_carol/?ref=share&ref_source=link

[crimson badger]

lends credence to the idea that you're filtering/pulling out existing Darkness through a prism when fountaning it up
you are the prism and tint it with what you feel, whether it be by Will, or by emotions ingrained in your personal history, but the underlying location/idea that runs parallel to its Light World location is still there

[crimson badger]

(this runs against how I felt the purple cliffs/natural darkness forms, but me trying to put everything in the square hole makes me feel that it might be related to a place's liminality, as in, is it just a transitional place or does it have history of its own?
Adds to the previously mentioned twin peaks parallels of Small Town with Secrets but with a differing fantastical literalization of things)

I NEED to start setting up a conspiracy corkboard to order my thoughts I think, I feel like I've crystallized "Darkness (The In-Universe World/Property) is a Fantastical Literalization" and "Darkness (The Plot Element) is a Fantastical Literalization" Before, either through myself or previous discussion but my brain still hit me with the "this is brand new information" +1 juices

[velvet olive]

goldmine for dreemurr holiday entanglements™

[ripe harbor]

YOU'RE BLUE NOW. THAT'S MY ATTACK!

[strange cloud]

Carol secret boss chapter 5?

[ripe harbor]

Ice element was just added chapter 3....

[strange cloud]

It only makes sense

Also wait that wasn’t a thing in chapter 2 with Noelle?

[ripe harbor]

not in the code

I'm referring to the actual Element Tags

theres a new one only tagged to El Nina

[strange cloud]

Huh

[ripe harbor]

whos the first Ice type Darkner since Head Hathy, so.....

[ripe harbor]

huh like "dang thats crazy" or huh like "what are elements"

[strange cloud]

First

I always assumed ice was always there for Noelle

[ripe harbor]

Its probably going to happen in the future

you wouldn't really need elemental tags on enemy damage I think, they never have resists(?)

[strange cloud]

Guess that makes sense

[ripe harbor]

so

it implies we might fight more Ice type enemies in the future

which could mean nothing

[strange cloud]

Of course

[ripe harbor]

no idea what it's paired element would be

[strange cloud]

Thorns

[ripe harbor]

'death' would fit I think, but the game likes to link wind and ice too

[low surge]

Would resistances and such be like a retroactive thing added to previous chapters? Because it would be really weird to have them for only a handful going forward

[clear frost]

Fun fact
The twinkle bullets from the koopa shells gerson throws are tagged as star element, so the SMantle helps

[sharp lodge]

https://old.rxddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/1ncq7iw/10th_anniversary_comic_part_1/?ref=share&ref_source=link

[low surge]

Is shadow mantle the only instance of resistances actually working?

Funny how I forgot about the literal most important one lol

[sour mesa]

https://bsky.app/profile/spacecoyote.com/post/3lydn2l56ss2x

nina matsumoto 🌸 (@spacecoyote.com)

that's right, I drew a cover for Famitsu magazine!! A textless version will be included inside with the full feature about Undertale's 10th anniversary. Coming out Sept 11 in Japan

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[ripe harbor]

wym?

They've already existed playerside since chapter 2

(though its pretty clunky)

Funny enough the Shadow Mantle actually just starts cheating

[low surge]

I guess I just literally never noticed it

[ripe harbor]

it gives 66% resist to Dark/Star, but the Titan Attacks don't even use the tags afaik

instead they specifically check if you are wearing the ShadowMantle

and then reduce damage by 50% (or 40%? idr)

[rain lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-finlin-dog-finlin-cheats-gif-20834938

[ripe harbor]

same with Gerson's star attacks

they aren't Star Type- instead they check if Susie has the ShadowMantle and then reduce damage by 85% if so

[rain lotus]

what the fuck\

[ripe harbor]

(Tenna's Star attacks are just Star Type)

its so jank lmao

[ripe harbor]

tbf in Chapter 2 only 3 items (Mannequin, Frayed Bowtie, & Dealmakers) give you resistance, they dont tell you they give you this resistance-

and they only apply to Tasque, Spamton Neo, and Tasque Manager

(who all deal Element 6 damage)

though the Cat-Shadowguys and maybe the Mike minigames might do it too?

really its better for theorizing than actual gameplay

it said "In some way, expect Darkness and Stars to be associated together"
and...

yeah thats true

"In some way, expect Holiness, Light, and the Sky to be grouped together"

"In some way, Spamton is related to Cats."

now theres a fourth one, and it seems ice-themed

"In some way, expect to fight against ice-damage in the future"

[low surge]

Always bet on omega icee

[ripe harbor]

truth slam

[ripe harbor]

oh this one is fun too because

the Knight's sword deals extra damage to Dark-type foes

the Knight's sword does not do extra damage to themselves

The Shadow Mantle protects against Dark/Star attacks, The Shadow Mantle protects against the Knight's attacks

the Knight's attacks aren't Dark- they're Star

Its a Star-Type enemy

Dark/Star is definitely the element implemented the most thoroughly, pretty much any star attack from chapter 3+ has its tag. Even Lanino's Sun.

Holy/Electric is just Zapper, I think? And theres nothing that would interact with that damage tag anyway, so

I don't think you can notice it without code diving lmao

[rain lotus]

zapper is holy????

[ripe harbor]

Electric, probably

the types are different, but they form a pair

Electric damage and Holy damage is marked as the same type of damage

[rain lotus]

sorry winglade but i don't think you qualify as holy

[ripe harbor]

Thats why Lanino and Elnina's, or Gerson's Star bullets do the same sort of damage as the Titan

[rain lotus]

this is bullshit you let zapper in

[low surge]

Ayye zappin’ out s’nmportant part’ah growin’ up, read a book wise guy

[ripe harbor]

Early on people theorized its a Chrono Trigger reference

theres a element type in that game called 天 - "Heaven", but US localizers translated it as either Lightning or Light

so 'Lightning/Light' is one element in that game('s english versions)

[tidal fox]

it does mostly make sense with respect to Chrono's magic

since that is lightning

[ripe harbor]

The Spamton-Cat stuff used to drive people in the weeds crazy

some things don't change I guess

HalfBreadChaos released a couple videos trying to make sense of it all even before 'Elemental Pairs' were directly confirmed

[low surge]

HBC my goat

[ripe harbor]

and I was laughing at the ICEE joke-theory at the time.... they were a hero, I just didn't know it.....

at the time, one of their potential explanations for Spamton-as-cat was something like Missingno's glitched types- he's glitchy, so he just accessed the wrong data

I think they might've almost been right by accident there

[Use of these methods generates] a Pokémon with an invalid identifier. Each area within the game assigns values to a data buffer to represent the Pokémon that can be encountered in that area: However, some areas —such as Cinnabar Island — do not overwrite the data in this buffer, so the data from the previous area is used instead.

The earliest mention of MissingNo. by Nintendo of America was on the May 1999 issue of Nintendo Power where it warned that "any contact with it (even if you don't catch it), could easily erase your game file or disrupt your graphics".

I'm not sure if he's the glitchy-cat-related thing related to improper memory-copying, who can disrupt and break your game if encountered.

but it definitely seems like there might be one around the place

[rain lotus]

hes a catboy

[ripe harbor]

many such cases

[restive comet]

Mannequin in Ch2 vs NEO

[serene loom]

actually, you know who else has cat stuff going on

Tenna

mainly the Sphinx and very very loosely the angry/"Evil" post (it's called Evil in the files) https://i.imgur.com/kPDJktD.png

its catty to me

also looking at his sprites, it is interesting that he has three sets of "teeth", one where its just solid upper and lower teeth, one with distinct individual teeth and then the fangs in a few sprites

the fangs are only on the evil sprite and this specific version of his raised arms pose https://i.imgur.com/NxByyJG.png

(the "hooray" and "hooray chef" versions have his toothless smile)

oh, the annoyed version too

[ripe harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/tenna-deltarune-deltarune-chapter-3-ant-tenna-deltarune-ant-tenna-gif-12919586042381884330

the sneaky sniler

its funny how much more menacing this one is, imo, then the one wheres he's trying to be all scary

[rain lotus]

i can hear this image

[ripe harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63ehbOZTByQ

😭

they missed the really juicy one (I think?) thats in Guardian

or was it Spawn

https://youtu.be/8-n6HhNO57E?si=56osBBpHFPwu_vY_&t=20
https://youtu.be/xVvCCqC3Cik?si=H6Kwi6qsgO-60Vof&t=29
https://youtu.be/iRMn2HlCRFI?si=gRTKYf3I0_RRaS1j&t=41
https://youtu.be/buF6hDTf_z0?si=g2Z65G6NrT4MHoaS&t=26

nah, these definitely all feel like the same musical idea

Spawn's the one I feel iffiest on, but I think its the same general structure, just with the end winding down?

you even have the same two-beat ender in Dump & Guardian, where the latter goes right into the "with-you-in-the" part of From Now On

bros just stapling motifs together and it works

[low surge]

New motif to misidentify everywhere let’s goooooo

I think I’m just bad at hearing some of these

[ripe harbor]

same in general tbh

It'd take me a sec to find the Tenna bits in SWORD or half his show themes

I only caught this one because

1. Crumbling Tower & GUARDIAN slap
2. I actually think The Holy is slept on too
   &
3. I had a sneaky suspicion to do a close listen on the Titans theme after I saw they were literally fountains. Wanted to check if the holy snuck in anywhere, and it sounds like it does.

and I only catch the 'Roots' motif because-
uh, you know

I've listened to a lot of NYCTBAs and BIG SHOTs

honestly this holy motif is kind of similar-ish to the Roots stuff, too?

not specifically - I don't think the notes match - just the 'swinginess' of it

Idk music

it ascends and then it kind of goes 'wide' on the second part

Considering both play backstage in the S-rank room (one in 'Bit Roots' and the other in 'Dump') it wouldn't be the wildest connection - maybe both are sort of 'deeper darkness' themes,

but it would be funny if Spamton's theme is actually derived from The Holy.

[strange cloud]

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZP8SF7vXP/

[sharp lodge]

https://www.tumblr.com/valdotpng/793717406315970560/by-valdotpng-mike-the-crayons-please?source=share

°˖✧°˖ ✧ ˖°✧˖°

🔉 by valdotpng — MIKE, the CRAYONS, please!

-# #utdr #deltarune #deltarune chapter 3 #kris dreemurr #mr ant tenna #art.png #artists on tumblr #deltarune spoilers #long post #phewwww finally done w/ this. it started out as some messy self-indulgent doodles to boost my mood a bit #(been Going Through It. hence the inactivity/radio silence sorry everybody) #but then that quickly became a whole-ass comic w/ a cover song to accompany it and all. took actual months to finish i think #anyway. enjoy #im never making a comic ever again /j #also #silksong so so soon. thats so scary. ahhh <-thats me yelling

Tumblr · Sep 4, 2025, 1:05 AM

https://www.tumblr.com/officialspec/794074420531658752/locked-out-of-heaven?source=share

happy big & sexually normal

locked out of heaven

-# #my art #utdr #deltarune #spamton g spamton #idk if i like this but i figured i should post it anyway. go my png

Tumblr · Sep 7, 2025, 11:39 PM

[low surge]

My greasy disgusting unwashed 53 y.o coke addicted former wall street executive (babygirl) that I want to love and nurture back to health like a wounded pigeon

[ripe harbor]

why is his ass so oracular

I've been trying to look at the game's musical ideas without any actual knowledge of music theory and its wild how much seems sort of close-ish to parts of Spamton's themes

(probably because he's got that bit from the Roots songs in there)

Theres a few bits that are note-exact slight re-arrangements of Guardian in Big Shot. Why is he like this.

[rain lotus]

title reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUunC0kpbYE

[ripe harbor]

https://chartcarr.neocities.org/famitsu10thtoby

Translated UNDERTALE 10th Anniversary issue of Famitsu magazine interview

(with Toby Fox)

[scarlet wadi]

https://www.tpmblr.com/beanbagstab/789335035649130496

[delicate cave]

Noelle can spindash

[ripe harbor]

noelle can spindash & freeze her opponents

[low surge]

Do you think the “Toriel” check that turns the black deer into the black monster in the Mantle game means anything

Like if Toriel had something to do with Dess’ disappearance?

Not like she did anything but that she knew or somehow her actions contributed towards those events?

[sharp lodge]

idk maybe

given the text in the unused files i think toby expects people to datamine and find stuff out that way and has made certain choices with that in mind

[low surge]

Exactly

[sharp lodge]

but i also think people notice patterns that aren't there and that affects a lot of their theorizing
especially in this fandom (not talking about anyone here)

[low surge]

Like why would he ever make placeholder deer sprites? Why have the check that replaces them be Toriel? Deltarune is built with data mining in mind (unlike Undertale)

[sharp lodge]

https://www.tumblr.com/gum088/793867567976660992/kris-and-togore-matching-headbands-i-hc-that?source=share

gumi

Kris and Togore matching headbands

I hc that togore's horns don't start growing until his very late teens

-# #deltarune #deltarune fanart #togore dreemurr #togore deltarune #togoretastic #kris dreemurr #kris deltarune #gumart

Tumblr · Sep 5, 2025, 4:51 PM

[low surge]

They could never make me hate you Togore Dreemur

You’re real to me

[crimson badger]

Togore might be less real but I still care, I'll still care

[restive comet]

Togore is The Roaring Knight

[low surge]

Always ALWAYS bet on toester knight

There was never only one

[ripe harbor]

nah

at least nothing beyond actual guesswork

theres not really anything else that would implicate Toriel specifically at this point, I think?

[ripe harbor]

Its enriching for him

sometimes you just gotta throw in a little

and the theorists will tie themselves in knots

[ripe harbor]

(I think sometimes people get carried away and stop thinking of the story and narrative as a story foremost, and not a puzzle)

its why I fully expect some of the mysteries to get cleared up directly, or at least near-100% confirmed through strong implication

"Who was Phone?" "Who spoke to Jevil?" "Who was the Mantle Holder?" "What does That Weird Voice want?"

these are questions you can run into by playing the game normally, that the game actively encourages you to ask. I don't think you'll need datamining and Noelle Blogposts to answer them by the end.

they aren't made to troll you lmao

some of them ("What happened to Ramb?") might just stay mysterious forever though #rip

[low surge]

I gotta know though

Like what the fuck

[ripe harbor]

his ass got Onion-san'd no doubt about it

[inland hare]

What if alphys is Susie’s
Mom

[crimson badger]

Pink And Yellow

[strange cloud]

Funniest bit I’ve seen someone say is that Dess shouldn’t be the knight (like Toby would be a bad writer if he did that) because Dess should instead be an ARG mystery that requires file editing and data mining in order to learn about

[crimson badger]

while there'd be some devious cooking to be done with a B-plot that requires ARG sleuthing and maybe feeds back into A-plot into its conclusion

it feels like the game would need to be more abrasive and experimental to allow that expectation?

[ripe harbor]

I never realized this part (1) of From Now On (left) was also a Don't Forget (right) bit

(2's much easier to hear. I actually cropped it wrong and missed the blue but w/e you know the melody.)

[strange cloud]

Me when I’m in a haunting the narrative competition and my opponent is Dess Holiday

[crimson badger]

I love how toby seems both extremely liberal but extremely deliberate with motif usage

everything has a motif, and it always matters

[ripe harbor]

theres some Weird™ bits in Hammer of Justice I've noticed

but idk enough about music to know if its something more intentional or not

[strange cloud]

I’m still terrified at the implications of girl next door having the Gaster theme in it tbh

[ripe harbor]

HoJ's three beat stingers towards the end have contours that match 'Roots' / Airwaves / Those Two Parts in Big Shot

[strange cloud]

[ripe harbor]

Different keys, but

this bit in red for the outro

the olive green part is the Freedom motif bit

the very end is the finisher

so without those two, this segment is just that bit in red re-iterated

and its the same structure as this bit in Spamton and BIG SHOT- theres even a pause between the first two beats when it shows up in Spamton's core theme, going down

just like theres a pause in Hammer of Justice's downward two-beat

more importantly I think the songs draw attention to these three beats? but idk what about the structure really does that

https://youtu.be/ua_DSJAD7gc?si=egkkW6urGLMihHfa&t=109

like its the main thing in this part of the song

and its also kind of forefronted in BIG SHOT during the times it plays

[ripe harbor]

like in image 2 + 4 I only circled the 3 beat part because the two beats sound more like they are connecting bits

https://youtu.be/uivFFnCI8tM?si=FInXMuvxiOvc2wpF&t=27

and this specific site doesn't have Air Waves or Bit Roots or anything so I'm not sure how accurate this is, but

It looks like the contour is there too

two set-up beats, with a very small pause, three beat with the same contour

and its probably the same contour in Bit + Digital Roots

The slow part of HoJ also has this more upwards swinging bit which is kind of similar to the other part I didn't highlight

and by 'has' I mean 'its the only part of this bit thats not from Spear of Justice'

but I don't know if this is supposed to be read as three beats

because the first is real quick and leads into the next, and its actually the green + yellow bars that seem to 'end' the segments

[ripe harbor]

(which is kinda why I wanted to poke at it- its

1. In an attention catching part of the song
2. Doesn't seem to be from Spear of Justice
3. Is the main melody of this section thats not
4. Leads directly & sets up for the Freedom-y bits)

I kinda found the other thing by accident

but I'm not confident on any of this stuff I'm literally

I learned about enharmonics and keys pretty much yesterday which honestly was a big breakthrough for a guy like me

fucked up how intuitively you can process music compared to how much stuff is going on underneath

its a lot harder to figure out why two bits sound similar than just noticing that they kind of do

oh actually one last one because its neat

two bits from The Legend

two back-to-back bits from Third Sanctuary

the last bits easy to hear, but even the repeating ✅ is probably supposed to call back to The Legend

[timber widget]

https://youtu.be/q7r4kM_-kxc

[rain lotus]

"dess can't be the knight" mfers when

[strange cloud]

Oh this person does think Dess is the knight, he just also thinks it’s bad writing because Alvin should have been the knight and Dess should have been that stupid ARG bullshit

[rain lotus]

????

alvin knight???

[strange cloud]

Yes Alvin Knight

[restive comet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1155211708030275664/1414910182189957201/DWGASTER.webp?ex=68c53dcb&is=68c3ec4b&hm=dd66b0d4dedc625fd5006371c3ebcb359886651c3a0f2cba87d63d7496d77a51&=&format=webp&width=1073&height=810

One of my friends made this

[velvet olive]

holy dw gaster

[crimson badger]

dunno why my brain immediately went "young noelle" out of that edit

[ripe harbor]

goated friend

[ripe harbor]

ah... theres a
slight difference between this translation and the official one

just a

small thing

[sour mesa]

what would that be?

[ripe harbor]

I was checking my kanji to make sure (I dont want to spread misinfo)

but

'friend(s)' is in quotes

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

anyone you can call 'a friend'

[sour mesa]

hmmmmmmm

[ripe harbor]

the fact that he's the one that adds the 『quotation marks』...

well

it could mean nothing

[low surge]

My beautiful chud child who I love and cherish

[strange cloud]

Get snowy away from them they’re a bad influence

[ripe harbor]

so do you think they're like

an actual Real Christian

or is the cross something else

[sour mesa]

they're stealing misato's style

[strange cloud]

Yes

They’re a Catholic Latine

Source: I am (or was)

I can recognize another

[ripe harbor]

wait Green Room is just Hip Shop

its

just Hip Shop its very clearly and nearly 1-1 Hip Shop

I dont think I consciously noticed that but tbf. I don't really think about Hip Shop as a song pretty much ever.

[rain lotus]

that cross is equilateral, it's a plus like the cross/x/plus button on various 21st century videogame remotes because they're a gamer

mario died for your sins

repent, knave

[sour mesa]

It's Microsoft Excel merch

[timber widget]

The cross is a popular symbol in the deltarune religion due to, uh, umm, uhhhhh

[low surge]

Real recognizes real

[ashen tide]

https://youtu.be/SPFq3xEe3t4?si=qOdlpqKBuuRZNhh3

i'm fucking losing it

https://youtu.be/OOVCQ-zGpYw?si=JYlQocwk0GMddATa

what the hell

[amber jolt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6DhzoxtET8

[rain lotus]

i like the seed meme a lot more, it's a lot more concise

you don't even know what it's gonna be unless you've heard the original song and you hear the pitch shifted morse

[ripe harbor]

https://www.tumblr.com/meholiday1225/794378148264509441/rambus?source=share

fanart account

Rambus

-# #this is the first time i drew green pippins out of the mike costume #and i drew him for this XD #deltarune #deltarune chapter 3 #deltarune chapter 4 #green pippins #small mike #pippins deltarune #battat deltarune #battat mike #ramb deltarune #WHY DOES SMALL MIKE HAVE SO MANY TAGS

Tumblr · Sep 11, 2025, 8:07 AM

rambus

[sharp lodge]

https://old.rxddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1nfxmdp/dearly_beloved_do_you_take_this_dork/?ref=share&ref_source=link

[ripe harbor]

Lost Girl is in Thrash Machine? Really?

https://youtu.be/imH2hItIFlk?si=4zO7_v02VtFcjWTq&t=49

https://youtu.be/P89rxnT7lKw?si=7hZ_FrKjfh4X0vvz&t=18

seems like it?

that'd be this piece of Lost Girl, and nobody transcribed Thrash Machine to this notation, but

I can sort of see it, and mostly hear it, I think?

the ending in both parts brings it more in line with the surrounding song, I think the quote would cut off here & here

The rest of Thrash Machine is Lancers theme (and this bit sticks out with a pause), and this is a pretty important part of Lost Girl (one of the main three melodies in Lost Girl)
So it'd fit as a reference, I guess?

[low surge]

Never beating the allegations

[low surge]

Mystery Man watching [REDACTED] get on merch before him

[ripe harbor]

are you sure about that

plus of course Gaster couldn't be on the Tarot cards

cause he's gonna be on Deltarune's

Might actually be harder for DR how many major arcana are there

22?

You can't really skip any secret bosses or main chapter antags, and ofc you need the 4 main characters

Titan as 'The Tower' would go crazy

[sour mesa]

it would

[ripe harbor]

I always thought you could have the Neo body itself be the focus of a Spamton one for 'The Chariot'

just kinda fits

plus you could throw in the literal rollercoasters. Chariots.

[sage needle]

I mean, "The Queen's Chariot cannot be stopped"

[ripe harbor]

true....

[foggy python]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7TqQGjh5OY

[ripe harbor]

I think one of my favorite jokes from this last chapter release is The Knight / Ralsei + Susie making fun of the Chapter 3 Dark World

it just gets me every time

(from ||@Creative_Name65||)

[sour mesa]

lol

[lusty cypress]

Wanna see what carol and toriel had

[crimson ocean]

https://youtu.be/Zy_iLfdT_D8

[sharp lodge]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1ngyngb/silly_comic_thing/?ref=share&ref_source=link

[rain lotus]

mask seller

[ripe harbor]

newsletter dropped

https://email-files.fangamer.com/list_48/campaign_14/mike_en-wV0q1DttP02jNlVw.mp4

I guess this is.... technically chapter 5 spoilers?

That being said, as an act of goodwill, I would like to spoil one optional Castle Town scene. This scene assumes you have seen the Special Room in Chapter 4...

[ripe harbor]

most of it is actually content updates or other projects, theres more coming for the actual 10th anniversary, but it does seem to imply 2026 is Deltarune's full release as a game

not just Chapter 5

[sour mesa]

ohohoho

[ripe harbor]

idk its kind of ambiguous

AREAS:
   - The early parts of Chapter 5 are complete, but need polish in optional areas.
   - Maybe the last 40%-or-so of the game is in a "rough first pass" state, and the last 10% is in a "prototyping" state.
   - Probably around 85% of cutscenes have been created up to a first draft state, however, of those at least 20% or so will require more polish.

ENEMIES:
   - Regular enemies are mostly done. One programmer is already working on the regular enemy bullet patterns of Chapter 6.
   - The direction of the boss battles have been decided and many boss attacks have already been completed.
   - Once the attacks are finished, the next goal will be to arrange the attacks and make adjustments to them if necessary to fit the atmosphere of the battle.

OVERALL:
With Chapter 3&4, there were some creative "hurdles" which made developing parts of the game difficult. How to do the Boards of Chapter 3, how to design the events in Noelle's house, etc.

Once we got past those hurdles and expanded the team, everything went much more smoothly.

Chapter 5 was not without hurdles! But... we already passed all of the obvious ones, so there's little to get in our way now! We just need to keep making the game.```

this part talks mostly about chapter 5 progress- but mentions Chapter 6

then its right into a development timeline, with the only deadline as 'move from making the game to localization' by the end of 2025

[strange cloud]

I saw this on Twitter and assumed it was a fan animation lol

[ripe harbor]

if thats for the whole game- yeah, that'd be moving closer to full release

[strange cloud]

Fakest looking real preview

[ripe harbor]

look at Cat Mike with that yarn

grown ass Darkner smh

[sour mesa]

what's up with his tail

[ripe harbor]

its just having fun

its just having a good time

thats in his normal sprite too

https://tenor.com/view/pluey-deltarune-delta-rune-mike-gif-16228433047803997500

see its going :)

[ripe harbor]

I like that its using the 'Sneaking' version of the song, the cut content one

that might still show up in some rooms?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdVj2YTqOhM

most of this seemed to get retooled into Catswing, so its neat the Mikes get the chiller one for themselves later too

never could find note transpositions for this theme- really curious about how closely some of these parts match the 'roots' melody

[ripe harbor]

I did find this though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCwxYGEJGgk

it feels like a Siivagunner

but its real

[low surge]

can you believe it guys

undertale today

[crimson badger]

undertale today just a week away

[scarlet wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WserFbTFl_Q

[sour mesa]

https://famitale.neocities.org/

[inland hare]

It’s time to turn against our fellow humans and kill the weak

[crimson badger]

crossing my fingers GASTER isn't veto'd before the fight just for the chance at the bit

[inland hare]

As long as it’s not togore

[sour mesa]

It has to be togore

[inland hare]

asgore and toriel's lack of naming sense must not infect any more child

[crimson badger]

if this keeps up the greater boston area will be all asriels and togores by 222X

[strange cloud]

Chatroom, what do we think the chances are that he’ll roll the Gaster door?

[low surge]

Would be generational

Imagine he rolls the door and just walks right past it

He fucking would

[strange cloud]

He would

[crimson badger]

custom build with all fun events on at once just to ignore every single one

[low surge]

Skips the wrong number song

[ripe harbor]

(from https://www.tumblr.com/4917)

[velvet olive]

consider: inverted tarot

[velvet olive]

then you could have Queen for the upright chariot and Spamton for the inverted chariot... it's genius
(<--- has doubled the work that would be required for this)

[rain lotus]

inverted chariot works

that's what's fucked up

[ripe harbor]

Go even further and don't label which one is inverted or not just print 2 versions of every Arcana

and then when asked say its "up to interpretation"

[restive comet]

Did anyone else see the newsletter yet?

[timber widget]

https://toby.fangamer.com/newsletters/autumn25/
It's on the website if you, like me, just never got it in the mail

[low surge]

Flower King deniers BTFO

QC being here, and her being in the list of people Gaster reacts to, will this be the fabled QC chapter???

[ripe harbor]

I thought it was pretty funny how the Homestuck VA bit has a disclaimer for dirty language and then it segues right into the OFF section, without one

just imagining the like 8 year old UT fan who avoids the Homestuck pilot for bad language playing OFF

[amber jolt]

well

its as my ex/best friend would say

"I've beaten OFF before I did Undertale"

[ripe harbor]

"your best friend tells you when they beat OFF?"

not anything too shocking or fuel for speculation in this letter imo

whatever the Echo Flowers end up used for or the UT Stream is probably where the spice is going to be

I do wonder if the DW segments will be particularly halloween-y with the Festival going on

[amber jolt]

👀

oh yeah

the memories are prolly gonna appear on stream

[ripe harbor]

I guess you can go "notice how the pink-and-yellow-eyed Cat Mike is the only one still in costume in the teaser" but. "there is a Cat with Weird Eyes associated with the Mikes" isn't really new

[ripe harbor]

theres way too many though, right?

unless its just a feed

which would still be cool

[amber jolt]

🤔 a feed would be nice

[rain lotus]

probably more like - you could watch a cartoon with people in earshot

easier to explain the game you're playing than why your TV just said "cryptodick"

[lusty cypress]

https://www.tumblr.com/abandoned-quiche/743167281502224385?source=share

DELTARUNE NOW!!!

-# #toriel #toriel deltarune #toriel undertale #utdr #safe utdr #i'll add an image description.....later. i'm sure you can understand that this is a lot #susie deltarune #undyne #undyne deltarune #napstablook #napstablook deltarune #mettaton #mettaton deltarune #mad dummy #mad dummy deltarune #mad mew mew #mad mew mew deltarune #deltarune #textboxes #1k #2k #5k

Tumblr · Feb 24, 2024, 1:52 AM

[strange cloud]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/s/YMmHNf5VkF

[low surge]

These last two posts are aggressively canon

[strange cloud]

Chatroom, do we think Berdly reads female literature?

[clear frost]

Yes.

[sage needle]

"Oh i dropped all my feminist literature"

https://tenor.com/view/smug-face-smirk-smug-eyebrow-raise-eyebrow-wiggle-gif-26163629

[low surge]

My 6'4 reaction when i'm held at gunpoint and say "take anything" but they start reaching for my feminist literature books (I'm 6'4 btw)

[low surge]

@MasterIsabelle9

It’s me I’m undertale yellow fans

[strange cloud]

-Berdly to Susie in chapter 5

[low surge]

Susie is either unimpressed and never read anything but Percy Jackson, or she’s like oh cool what’s your favorite Audre Lorde book

[strange cloud]

As funny as it would be for Susie to be well read on feminist theory

We saw how she writes

I’m not really sure she can read all that well

[low surge]

Girl hasn’t graduated past picture books

[strange cloud]

Coulda had the audio books though

[low surge]

Same girl same

[strange cloud]

I really like how the current names in the running for the anniversary stream are:

Frisk for people who wanna see if hard mode has been extended

Gaster to see if Toby will acknowledge him

Chara because it’s the canon name

And Togore

[ripe harbor]

I want Togore to win tbh

it actually does sum up the community best

I'm not actually sure if you can call Chara the canon name either- idk if the Fallen Human has a canon name

its the true name in the filename sense, but is that narratively canon? idk

[ripe harbor]

every Undertale is Personalized theory

[strange cloud]

It’s as close to canon as we’re gonna get

And ngl, having a common consensus on what the fallen human’s name is very nice for discussion

So I don’t have to type out “the fallen human” every time

[amber jolt]

AUH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6lQpzvKTz0

goddd this track

this fucking cover

god.

Chapter 7 is gonna make me bawl my eyes out

[low surge]

Chapter 7 will be like 200 9/11s I’m calling it now

[rose swallow]

wish granted, chapter 7 will release 9/11/2225

200 9/11s from the last one

[low surge]

Shiiiiiit

[amber jolt]

😭

[low surge]

Toby is really forced into the perfect dilemma. Use Gaster and he has to address it, and then take the second name. Use Chara and he has to address it. Use Togore and we will have manifested a new dark god into reality

Mag already said this I just have the memory of a wet piece of cardboard

[timber widget]

Use Frisk and he has to address hard mode

[low surge]

Watch Tony actually sucks ass at his own game and can’t progress

[crimson badger]

hard mode ends after tony gets hardwalled

[rain lotus]

"hey what happened to that undertale stream toby fox was doing? i watched up to undyne and he started turning pink after the fifth try, when i came back the stream was over"

[ripe harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz9bGGE7Pzw

pretty good remix

I got a soft spot for whenever the ITS!! TV!! TIIIIIIIME!!! clip gets added to the song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D6k7JfQr8s

and ofc Claire Noelle knocked it out again with this one. This piece has storytelling

[low surge]

https://tenor.com/view/togore-toegore-deltarune-undertale-dreemur-gif-1686992965053690145

I fucking love this gif

Need Togore to win the name vote

[manic parrot]

togore?

oh, from the other part of their names?

[low surge]

Yeah

The joke has existed for a while, but within the last few months it’s gotten a revival and Togore has been solidified as a fanon character

[manic parrot]

i approve

[low surge]

It’s a little silly seeing people get upset by Togore being in 2nd place (behind Gaster). The name itself has been a meme for years, and I can’t think of anything better repetitive of the fandom than a joke that’s evolved and become a source of creativity and fun, something that could literally be in-game and wouldn’t seem off.

[sour mesa]

i think "we gotta maneuver the anniversary stream towards Extra Lore" is a significantly more, uh, utilitarian approach to the celebration

or is there a different name other than Gaster they'd prefer

[low surge]

I’ve seen people want Chara

Really that’s the only other name I could expect to maybe come with more lore

Maybe Frisk but I feel like that’s mostly for the hard mode meme

And really that’s expecting a lot tbh, there’s no guarantee Toby will comment on any of the names at all. Maybe it’ll prompt him but I doubt he’s gonna spill the beans on Gaster or Chara just because we made him use those names. It’s far more likely lore and behind the scenes stuff will emerge naturally as the stream happens, so I don’t see why the name is something to get hung up on

[sour mesa]

yeah

[ripe harbor]

the real lore hail mary would be a unique anniversary only FUN event

Couldn't be one about Gaster though, too direct

but something on the level of Clam Girl I could see making it to stream

or just enable this event

huh

actually checking the rest of this rooms context, it seems almost more strongly linked to Deltarune and Image_Friend?

[ripe harbor]

I didn't know only it and Entry 17 weren't Dogchecked among the hidden rooms

and whatever is, you can find sprites for 'tinybugs' among the other Junk Data where you first find it

neither of which are particularly strong

but people only mention the dialogue itself, contextually its got other associations to 'finding bugs' and is put on the same level as other Deltarune Foreshadowing in the files (or Toby forgor 💀)

[ripe harbor]

but don't get it twisted I'm #teamtogore for sure

I think as a name it best fits the community, the game, and the event

(but its also, uh, just a name for a stream. I wouldn't be pressed no matter what it is lmao)

[low surge]

Yeah exactly

[strange cloud]

People who hate Kris will not survive the winter

[ripe harbor]

TRUTH SUPERNOVA

your honor, mitigating circumstances: they're 16. thats just how life is then.

[strange cloud]

If someone is vindictive towards Kris for the closet scene

I’m sorry

But you will not make it to chapter 5

It’s just how it is

[ripe harbor]

now the one *

is that (hopefully) this doesn't apply to Kris themselves

[strange cloud]

I mean

I love the kid

But they’ve got more death flags then the wild hunt

Just a ghostly procession following them around

which also would be sick to draw Kris as the leader of the Wild Hunt someone should do that

[clear frost]

Mission understood making Kris Erlking ID Art

[rain lotus]

wow people are liek that???

literally the funniest shit ever

tom and jerry shit

[sour mesa]

wHAT

[ripe harbor]

(ralsei also has a mustache, but....)

[strange cloud]

EVERY NOELLE IS MINE TO EMBRACE

[strange cloud]

They’re so dead it’s insane

[sour mesa]

Ralsei grows the beard

[ripe harbor]

Why aren't people talking about this character? Isn't it weird how they're one of only 5 playable party members but we don't even learn their name?

and they only show up for one scene?!???

[rain lotus]

hello, my name is larsie dremrure

[ripe harbor]

protag of UNRELATED

[strange cloud]

Larsie, the son of Wing Ding Gaster and Grandpa Semi

[low surge]

It’s okay they’ll just tech that shit

[strange cloud]

TRUUUUE

I will say, I do kinda think Kris is going to like, die die

But also I do think they’ll get better

[low surge]

Verdict is still out for me, but I won’t deny there’s a looooot going against them rn

[sour mesa]

very easy to merge into "susie absorbs kris' soul" theory

[strange cloud]

Ehhh, that is one thing I’m less confident in

I feel like Kris’s situation is gonna be unique to them

Except maybe Noelle in the weird route

There isn’t really any indication that we can just like, possess anyone we want

[sour mesa]

Monsters absorbing human souls is a pretty essential plot point in Undertale

Wouldn't be out of the question for it to come back

[ripe harbor]

I'm still holding out some space for Kris not being a 'normal' human in some way, or having origins related to the supernatural setting elements

A lot of it comes down to what exactly is going on with Us - The Soul - Kris - The Intro

I don't put it forward as whats going on, but it fits weirdly well in nearly every respect

We got Kris instead of our vessel, but Kris could still be a vessel

or goner(?) or copy or whatever

[clear frost]

savior of the waking world...

[strange cloud]

Is this a homestuck thing?

[clear frost]

it's the name of a homestuck song that i saw refitted for this exact deltarune scenario (kris dying and then coming back stronger)

[strange cloud]

Ohhh I see

I thought homestuck had a resurrection in a page called that or to a song called that

Because I know there’s a song in homestuck called that

[clear frost]

people in the comments were joking about kris godtiering

[strange cloud]

Ok thats gotta be a homestuck thing

[clear frost]

yup

the basic idea is that you die in a specific spot, and are revived as a god with the title along the lines of [blank] of [blank] (eg. Heir of Breath, Seer of Light, Knight of Time, Witch of Space)

[strange cloud]

I see

[ripe harbor]

But Kris is already a Knight of Heart

[restive comet]

Got The House of Leaves today

[sour mesa]

wha

[sharp lodge]

caught me off guard too

https://old.rxddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1njulcy/gum088_the_cylce/?ref=share&ref_source=link

[sharp lodge]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/1nkjkmn/10th_anniversary_comic_final/?ref=share&ref_source=link

[rose swallow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_WQmRG7Z54

(tbf most of that number is the section where each measure alternates between 12/8 and 11/8)

[restive comet]

https://youtu.be/w61L-xKdwTU?si=TH7PjY-2jRFgq52_

[low surge]

For a second I freaked out thinking I missed the livestream, but I remembered I work 3rd shift and it just turned the 20th

Has anyone been able to divine why all the bisexuals in UTDR are all attracted to Asgore?

What is he cooking?

[sour mesa]

bara rizz

[low surge]

https://tenor.com/view/asgore-assgore-asgore-undertale-undertale-asgore-deltarune-gif-8368845031157839783

[ripe harbor]

(also its gonna be able to swap mid-run based on charity donations)

TOGORE's love
or
CHARA's power

its a moral choice

[timber widget]

When's the stream again?

[rain lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/asgore-eat-asgore-deltarune-eat-awkward-eat-awkward-gif-13836388267481988629

https://tenor.com/view/hug-cuddle-hugging-embrace-pixel-gif-27331087

faildad rizz

[ripe harbor]

4PM PT, across 2 days

or <t:1758409200:f> which is <t:1758409200:R>

I think?

and then probably 24 hours from then for the part 2

[ripe harbor]

Gaster pruning timelines to ensure Asgore's divorced in every one so that he can Get Some Of That Himself

[ripe harbor]

love how the two genres of fansongs are "Industrial noise + OFF" & "Jazzy Funk"

should make two playlists,
"If is Earthbound quirky" and "If eats kids"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ7JyKgGi5Q

mentioning because this one is pretty high effort

[ripe harbor]

(Most of them get to cheat because they work as Spamton remixes too 😎)

[glacial ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgH6jF1fy30

oh they went and remastered their cover

[sour mesa]

pog

[sour mesa]

https://ouramateur.tumblr.com/post/793592846078935040

Thinking about the Circumstances…

Still uploading older comics! And I guess I’ve been titling them too… Uh uh think of a name

“$32.00 MSRP”

-# #since ralsei plush is canon (?) now it only seems logical #ourAmateurOurt #amateurDelta #deltarune #chapter 4 spoilers #deltarune chapter 4 spoilers #deltarune spoilers #dr #ralsei #susie #deltarune comic #deltaposting #OurAmateurHour

Tumblr · Sep 2, 2025, 4:05 PM

[ripe harbor]

I wonder if they'll go for & do True Pacifist

since you gotta restart (unless they changed it)

if they do True Lab is definitely what I'm most hype for

[rain lotus]

it's deltarune though so it's gonna be FAKE LIBRARY

and it's gonna be LIES HARMFUL

[ripe harbor]

listen Toby loves ambigious baiting and interesting dev history

I want to see what happens here

If the player's controller is disconnected in the Xbox version while in the True Lab, under the "No Controller Connected" message is a list of other human body parts that are said to not be connected.```

oh THATS where that happens

[sour mesa]

You can load from save as long as you didn't leave Undyne to fry

[ripe harbor]

ya I meant reload a save IG