Undertale and Deltarune

[rain lotus]

this is also the least horrifying kris sideplot

you know some shit's about to go down when the party members aren't here

[sage needle]

"Don't worry Kris we'll stay out here"

[analog burrow]

https://bsky.app/profile/yinkybaginky.bsky.social/post/3lwhytpjtys2o

Yinky Baginky (@yinkybaginky.bsky.social)

tog psycho 100

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Bluesky · Aug 15, 2025, 11:25 PM

[low surge]

Peak

[sage needle]

I don't think anyone has shared this artist's Togore Comics yet https://bsky.app/profile/miggsboson.bsky.social/post/3lw6r23maks2t

🧀🐭°{ᴵ ᵏⁿᵒʷ ᵗʰᵉʸ ᵃᵗᵉ ᵃ ᵐᶦᵍᵍˢ} (@miggsboson.bsky.social)

Oh little Togore Dreemurr, the forgotten middle child of Asgore and Toriel. #Deltarune #Undertale #Togore #DeltaruneFanart #DecemberHoliday #Dess

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https://bsky.app/profile/miggsboson.bsky.social/post/3lwgi3igva22w

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Somehow the screentones got deleted, but oh well

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Bluesky · Aug 15, 2025, 8:52 AM

I found the first one on TikTok and I loved the comment "don't make me have emotions about Togore"

[low surge]

Togore my beloved

[low surge]

I really hope we get some one off line about like a cousin Togore or something

[rain lotus]

that kris is demonic they didnt have their stuff for more than a few seconds

[low surge]

Kris deeply regrets the way the treated Togore when they were younger, Togore doesn’t hold it against them though

[ripe harbor]

very interesting stuff

https://www.tumblr.com/duxarcana/788263572144865280/yeah-i-think-they-definitely-evoke-that-poem?source=share

Idk how accurate this is

but its interesting seeing Japanese translations for the mystery box stuff

especially when theres implications about eg: the gender of the speaker, given how important Suspicious Men are

https://www.tumblr.com/duxarcana/789793468202549248/hi-im-sorry-if-this-has-already-been-asked-but?source=share

they've got some stuff about the Shadow Mantle boss too

They use quite fanciful and archaic language throughout their dialogue, with many similarities in word choices. In particular, the phrase jitsu ni they use here is how words like "truly" and "very" get translated throughout Gaster's dialogue, such as in notable lines like "excellent, truly excellent" and "very, very interesting." It's a very Gaster-coded phrase for the Japanese audience!

tbh I think the vibe in English also evoked archaic speech

(who says 'sour face'?)

this is the most notable part of the prophecies

what with all the Spawn-ing going on

https://www.tumblr.com/duxarcana/790784177580736512/this-is-so-interesting-a-few-other-bits-from?source=share

And last, was the girl. At last, was the girl.

Hey everyone I think we may be overthinking the SWOON thing

🔁 emonewtype

emonewtype

Or rather, not overthinking it in the right direction.

When I first saw the name for that status I immediately thought, "This seems familiar, was this a jank translation for a KO/DOWN state in an old RPG?" Almost immediately upon starting to search up Swoon Status in combination with old RPG franchise names I found a legends of localization article confirming SWOON Status was the translation used for Instant Death attacks in the SNES version of Final Fantasy 4 (the one they renamed Final Fantasy 2) specifically. (also some results that suggest it may have been in SNES FF6/ Localized as FF3 as well?)

Considering how many other UT/DR things are send ups to 90s RPGs, (the lines for Susie and Ralsei getting SWOON'd are themselves earthbound references, according to the wiki) It might be helpful for everyone's theories to consider SWOON as "an antiquated (abandoned) translation that is no longer in use", and "a thing that instantaneously destroys videogame characters with no specified imm...

duxarcana

Woah this is so interesting!! A few other things from this article catch my attention too:...

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ooo

thats about what I expected

Swoon being a sort of old-school video game status

but that last bit probably bears out too, given how The Black Knife / Shard Strikes the weakness of dark-element enemies.

its really good at killing Spawn, deals massive damage to the Titan, but either way you can only seal them (so far) with the Soul

you probably can't defeat fear by stabbing it harder for the rest of your life

[rain lotus]

The definition of the word also mentions like extreme emotion which is the vibes from all the text

Stuff like you feel a migraine coming on

[ripe harbor]

I always associate it with blood-loss style lightheadedness

even if theres not any blood physically being shed

being suddenly and intensely faint

[sharp lodge]

https://www.rxddit.com/gallery/1msdbzq

[south flume]

"Kris and SOUL in Weird Route be like:", by ClinickCase (2025)

[strange cloud]

I love ragebaiter soul

[low surge]

Crazy how it takes so long for Japanese translations to cross over to us. I guess it does take time to hash it all out. Does Japan have any big theory posters like western audiences do? I’d imagine so, I’ve just never seen any (probably because I don’t speak a lick of Japanese)

[low surge]

(@hwdeltarune)

[timber widget]

https://www.tumblr.com/gothoxide/790355831504945152

𖤐 CECIL / JEVIL (it/they)

-# #arting #deltarune #susie #ralsei #ralsusie #if u want lel

Tumblr · Jul 28, 2025, 10:34 PM

[low surge]

Truth

[ripe harbor]

when the funny miniboss has a fursona based on your childhood trauma demon

(from ||@FlameZ_yuh||)

[rain lotus]

thinking abt how ralsei casually just uses fire magic in chapter 4
what else is this pipsqueak hiding from me specifically

[ripe harbor]

not horrible odds he's titan-related

though the soul is also weirdly titan-related, so theres not actually much that'd tell us

[rain lotus]

tap left and right to STRANGLE ralsei cutscene

[ripe harbor]

I kinda hope he is Titan related or knows more about how they relate to darkners because it would be really funny to read how locked in he is on destroying them under the lens of his lack of self-confidence / undervaluing of himself

[serene loom]

he also just flies for a little bit at one point

wow why did that copy at such a garbage resolution

there we go

[ripe harbor]

in chapter 5 he will combine 'can fly' with 'stool form' to become an elevator #believeit!

its like this to me

[crimson badger]

The Prince of prophecy IS supposed to be alone, in the deepest dark, which, part of me tells me its just a flowery decription of dark worlds, but the ideas of there being a deeper dark than that dark makes me go

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-mike-pippin-green-conspiracy-gif-5869661353018453933

[ripe harbor]

the Dark Worlds are actually fairly close to the Light World

in the sense that

all the stuff in them, places & people, are patterned off (or reflections of?) stuff in the Light World

while like

this place doesn't correspond nearly as much

and has a whole bunch of titan-y eyes all over

[crimson badger]

oh yeah there's whatever's happening with the natural dark

[ripe harbor]

plus the fountains themselves are pulled up from the Earth

its never described as the person who makes the fountain as making the Dark

they just bring it here

from 'below'

[serene loom]

yeah, two Shuttahs in TV World have dialogue where they mention "purple cliffs" as the natural state of the Dark World before the ones we visit were created

[ripe harbor]

and I suspect it might be

because Tenna was literally plugged in and turned on before the Dark World was created

he brightened up the place, and defined it as TV World, because he was the brightest thing in the room

but thats still pretty speculative

[crimson badger]

feels related to how the dark fountains are created off of a lightner's will, would it make sense to extend that idea then that a will-less dark is the cliffs? feels off with kris' whole deal but I'd chalk it up to soul bs under this idea, while castle town's is supposedly natural fountain

[serene loom]

people also speculate a connection to undertales areas in shuttahs lines

[crimson badger]

also while I'm here yapping and jumping at shadows (lmao), does anyone else feel an aspect of longing related to the titans and their spawn? I remember it also being mentioned here that they reach for and rush towards the light of the soul, even as it destroys them, and even though its framed as their attacks I can't help but have that bouncing on my noggin (mostly because of the other stuff that's related to longing/nostalgia in DR)

[ripe harbor]

ya

[rain lotus]

someone told me this was a homestuck reference and i was so blindsided i forgot about it

[ripe harbor]

I was actually thinking about this + the Titan's as 'wounded' (and matching the 'is that a cut on your face or part of your eye' poem) and these two prophecy panels yesterday

its all just vibes

but if the titan is faceless, empty, and its 'missing' something

is that something the soul or its light?

Is that why it reaches its hands towards you, and the spawn rush to the same light that destroys them?

& the followup with Ralsei

if Dark without light is faceless, identity-less, and without mind

why is he so defined?

[crimson badger]

it just clicked to me that there's also whatever's gushing out of its face either reinforcing the wound aspect, or the tear aspect

[ripe harbor]

mhm

and the fountain part

if you work backwards, it makes me want to ask if the normal fountains are a sort of wound too

their OST is called 'The Holy'

its not treated as something evil, but something sublime

and ofc you literally make them by stabbing lmao

[crimson badger]

with full knowledge and intention too, at least with what's been established its not something you can do by accident (although that's probably a misfire trying to connect that to bonds/strength)

[ripe harbor]

I think they might not be too unconnected

the Sword route is about violence and 'getting stronger'

[low surge]

Stigmata🤔

[ripe harbor]

and ends with the fight opening titan eyes on the ground

To break bonds is a violent way of looking at the world, maybe?

[crimson badger]

I forgot about that and it was one of those moments I did a double take and everything

[ripe harbor]

To have perfect clarity of will, because you react to anything that approaches with a blade?

like the Knights sword is what it uses to open fountains

[crimson badger]

...or the titans reacting to anything not them

[ripe harbor]

and it also 'strikes at the weakness of Dark enemies'

[ripe harbor]

yeah! Because they are faceless but not eyeless

[ripe harbor]

like in this screenshot for the switch version you can see the Titan eyes are always staring at the party

[crimson badger]

oh goddamn

[ripe harbor]

and when you strike the titan

[crimson badger]

I remember

yeah that specific clip being posted

[ripe harbor]

they flare red

which is the same thing that happens when you make fountains, it seems

because its not just Kris who gets them

https://tenor.com/view/kris-deltarune-dark-fountain-gif-9620602021004198141

[low surge]

Red Eyes people associate with determination but I think it’s more than that

[ripe harbor]

but Susie too

stabbing is red

[low surge]

We see them when Kris flashes their knife at the end of chapter 1, and of course Burning Eyes and the eye border

[crimson badger]

forcing an isn't into an is

[ripe harbor]

and the Knights attacks are actually also nearly all red too

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-ch-chapter-3-the-gif-11988423314595142042

https://tenor.com/view/knights-roaring-knight-deltarune-boss-gif-15158747806846879501

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-roaringknight-roaring-knight-slash-gif-5348726895762601967

or at least

the ones with the knife are

[low surge]

Red is knifes

Solved

[ripe harbor]

wait.... what if Kris.... has a Red eye, could this mean they like Knives??

[low surge]

And you got the real knife

[ripe harbor]

also

the Black Shard attacks in Red

and uh

probably the Black Knife too

very consistent connection of red, red eyes, violence, and stabbing

[crimson badger]

same as the UT knife too no?

[ripe harbor]

I never did a genocide run in UT :V

I don't knoooooooow 😭

[crimson badger]

I lived it vicariously through letsplays

I recall the shard specifically looking familiar

or not the shard,

tenna getting folded

[ripe harbor]

oh and

I remembered something else

[ripe harbor]

its not bonds that have you 'getting stronger'

the bonds you break make you stronger

[ripe harbor]

(the ominous LOST descriptor....)

[crimson badger]

yaya, misworded it

[ripe harbor]

I'm kinda thinking this and the perspective/eye motifs tie together though

if you stab everyone you see, its a way of looking at the world

[crimson badger]

https://tenor.com/view/slash-slashing-swipe-swiping-number9-gif-26264955

[ripe harbor]

I saw the other day theres a difference in how Noelle gets over her fear of mice in the WR

[crimson badger]

spent too long looking for it when it was just on tenor

[ripe harbor]

where normally she goes "Oh, mice are cute"

but in the WR shes muttering "You don't scare me...." as she walks past this mouse monster

her perspective changed

she sees the world through a more violent lens, she 'is getting stronger'

idk what this says about Titans either

tbh

except that they do seem entirely reactive

probably not a good thing to get comfortable killing spawn, though?

They didn't choose who they were in this world, either

[crimson badger]

yeah

extending from the longing/wound aspect, I do wonder if the titans will be just a force of natural violence, or if we'll get dips into more, either deep dark stuff or a better idea of ralsei's shenanigans

he seems to be a darkner reflecting an object like everything else (and seems to have tried to explain his counterpart before getting interrupted, iirc), but he's also infused with the prophecy

[crimson badger]

but then he's also from the pure darkness of the castle town fountain

[ripe harbor]

I think I lean more toward him not having a traditional object, now

being able to travel freely is really odd

[crimson badger]

actually yeah

the other chars do it as a bit but yeah

ralsei just moves freely in the dark

[ripe harbor]

and theres special animations for entering a Dark World with Darkerns as objects in your pocket

where they come off as little stars

in Chapter 2, the number even changes if you brought Starwalker with you or not

Ralsei.... doesn't enter like that

he just seems to show up later

and with Titans explicitly described as a representation of something purely mental, and the weirdness with TV Channels or programs being transferable between Dark Worlds

idk

Ralsei could be something strange

Imaginary friend? Shadow of a lighter?

I saw someone suggest the prophecy itself embodied

¯_(ツ)_/¯

if he's an object, why is he so special? If he's something super special, why does he look like a Dreemurr? Either way- why is he a prince, and whats up with the Grand Fountain?

https://tenor.com/view/ralsei-chapter-4-deltarune-ralsei-chapter-4-deltarune-chapter-4-gif-233611337266517370

the face of a devious liar who keeps the Truth from me.....

[crimson badger]

dubious little creature

[ripe harbor]

imo its probably the second biggest mystery in the story by the end of chapter 4

well I guess "What's the final prophecy?" is number 1 but its pretty clear its at least something bad

while "What are the motivations of the main antagonists" and "Why is Ralsei / Castle Town so odd" are open questions

[crimson badger]

yeah doesn't castle town have an angel motif?

[ripe harbor]

ya

and a heart motif

and is named "[Name]town"

but Titans also have an angel motif- or at least the only one we've seen does, though they 'appear in many forms'

[sour mesa]

player name or vessel name

[ripe harbor]

player name

Vessel is dead rip

it got taken out back and executed by the code demons

[ripe harbor]

and the Dark Fountains in the Knight fight actually glows brighter the longer you spend fighting the Knight- do they react to the Soul specifically?

I completely missed it while playing because the Knight fight

you know

you have to lock in

but it absolutely starts shining brighter the more damage you do to the Knight

it doesn't seem to just be a visual representation of the fountain either, because it jarringly cuts back to black right after the fight is over

so idk

maybe the Pure Fountain is pure and the town is named [Player]town for the same reason? Maybe the Dark Fountains have some sort of intrinsic connection to the Soul?

Its pure because its [Player]town? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[crimson badger]

it being playertown feels like it was put there through some gaster bs

[ripe harbor]

I've half leaving space for

The Player as the Angel in a non-meta sense

Like the angel exists in the world and Gaster just slapped some Identity juice on it and was going to give it a vessel

before it got yoinked for its power

[crimson badger]

the colors of the fountain seem to take on those from the party too, it might specifically be resonating with the fun gang/another point in favor of the soul's resonance

[ripe harbor]

it goes orange at one point, but maybe

[crimson badger]

foiled by the sample size yet again

[ripe harbor]

the Soul is also what saves at save points

the Titan, a save point face

The Titan, a massive angel shaped being - no sense of self

A Titan with a sense of self- an angel?

the angel?

[rain lotus]

i saw someone theorize that darkners turn to stone only after they stop serving a purpose

hence why lancer is fine in chapter 3 until you take his remote(s) and how chronic toady rouxls is generally fine except for that time in chapter 2 where he freezes specifically from the neck down

[ripe harbor]

LowTierLightner

[crimson badger]

or given heaven's stuff, what if its more literal and just as there's darker than dark there's lighter than light (prolly not, doesn't feel like there'd be enough time left to introduce something like that and resolve everything else too)?

[ripe harbor]

the deep dark is related to hell, but it twists me up that its not-not related to 'Holy' or Angels

'They will hear the ring of heavens call' depicting an empty circle with wings around it, the track 'Crumbling Tower' playing church bells as you climb the titan

they at least aren't... opposites?

[crimson badger]

oop housework, time to rotate this in my head and come back later

[ripe harbor]

Really the only times 'Heaven' is mentioned is

• Spamton, who wants to 'see past the Dark'
• Ralsei once in his abbreviated prophecy, for the Heroes Final Goal
• The Church prophecy about the ring of heavens call.

the rest of the prophecies we see don't mention the angel except for an optional one about its banishment, so that part seems mostly true

[rain lotus]

mfw it wasn't some kind of self destructive hyperdoomer self-ragebait from ralsei

[ripe harbor]

even if we don't understand what the 'Angel's Heaven' is in relation to the Roaring

unused, but its worth noting

the Sky Mantle?

the Unused Armor that protects about Element 1?

A cape that shimmers fluorescently. Protects against Elec and Holy attacks.

I at least read it as almost colorful?

that might just be a me thing

but the Dark/Star stuff looks Monochromatic

maybe the Holy stuff is rainbow?

Maybe fountains are rainbow because they are The Holy?

so it could be that its the rainbow depths is 'heaven', existing beyond the dark blobs?

I got no idea

Spamton at least associates it with being Real, but this texture is used for the intro, the thing that gives the Dark Worlds form, the prophecy...

I could buy it as truth

it makes things True

when you know its some 'Copies are Monochrome, but you colored us in with care' stuff but you can't prove it

[rain lotus]

characterizing ralsei as the kind of guy to say he peaked at 3 days old

"life was so much simpler back then........ when we all just played videogames and quizzes" [still like. Less than a week old]

[low surge]

Faded Rudinn what is your game

[ripe harbor]

I like to think its one of the 7 aces that snuck away

[sour mesa]

https://www.tumblr.com/mouer-arts/791778690812067840/briefly-misread-take-your-crt-for-a-walk-in

So I think I can draw

briefly misread "take your CRT for a walk" in Tenna's boss fight as "CAT". sure. I'll accept that.

-# #deltarune #deltarune spoilers #tenna deltarune #kris dreemurr #susie deltarune #i do feel weird with so many tags for my stupid doodles #but these are mostly for ME cus im planning on doing more <3 #also the first time ive drawn mettaton im sorry </3 ill get better i promise

Tumblr · Aug 13, 2025, 3:30 PM

[rain lotus]

https://www.tumblr.com/sturner-artblog/785811091811876864/tenner

Tenner

-# #myart #deltarune #mr ant tenna #deltarune chapter 3 spoilers #idk is it a spoiler if ur using the internet youve seen this bitch #deltarune spoilers #thought id covered with prev tags

Tumblr · Jun 8, 2025, 6:37 PM

[rain lotus]

i love the triple speech bubble pointed towards the party

[low surge]

A new Raltzy meme character has hit the deltarune community

[foggy python]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr3Tm9hkd9U

[sour mesa]

https://www.materiacollective.com/music/fallen-undertale-tribute/track/ALYGDMN19VQI6YQYDME8

good UT fansong

[ripe harbor]

mitosis

[low surge]

DEVICE_DANIEL

[ripe harbor]

the tail of hell and the damned daniel

[ripe harbor]

Daniel deniers be like "Must have been the wind..."

[low surge]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-chapter-4-deltarune-deltarune-chapter-4-roaring-knight-true-gifs-gif-10457574261792655678

[rain lotus]

so is kris gonna let me metagame the bunker password

i already know it's either 1225 or 122x

[clear frost]

Imagine if it’s 1224 just to fuck with people who think they know

[rain lotus]

that's still a december holiday

[clear frost]

So is 1226 if you’re canadian

[rain lotus]

mfw this entire narrative is haunted

[clear frost]

Poltergeist named December Holiday

[ripe harbor]

I still don't get Carol wants to prevent susie getting the codes, if they also know theres a sort of prophecy going down they are following the steps of

would that disrupt the prophecy?

like surely if you're going along with the big fated legend you couldn't have it both ways

you know all that endgame stuff is going to go down, if you believe the early things will as well

so gathering the codes would be as inevitable

[inland hare]

Honestly with the save point existing in the town we can just lamdadelta the lock

Make a guess

Restore save

Make a guess

Restore save

[low surge]

Prophecy said to do it 🤷

[rain lotus]

it'd be really funny if this is the timeskip for the second playthrough of whatever chapter the bunker is

"you enter the numbers knowingly."
"Woah, what the hell, Kris? why didn't you just say you knew the code earlier"

[low surge]

I’m waiting for save slots to become an important gameplay element, especially now that they’re in the light world

[inland hare]

With enough will we can just open any password protected lock

In higurashi it’s played for horro im pretty sure

Just this implacable person just resetting the world over and over again to guess an 8 digit passcode

[rain lotus]

"i-i didn't!"
the implacable soul:

[ripe harbor]

after the 30th attempt Gaster intervenes to just tell us the code

[strange cloud]

Oh my god I just realized another Gaster gerson parallel in that Alphys replaced them after their death/shattering

[ripe harbor]

and that theres two of them

||/s||

[low surge]

Here’s how Alphys Knight can still win

[ripe harbor]

Dreemurrs drawn with Togore eyes always gets me

[delicate cave]

👁️v👁️
︵

[sour mesa]

gottem

[rain lotus]

(my doodle)

[ripe harbor]

its the canon choice imo

[ripe harbor]

ok new idea: each of the flowers looks like a goat monster and represents the human soul traits from UT taken to the extreme

as a way to get Ralsei to actually define what he's about

like one is the kind one, one is the brave one, etc
Whats Ralsei's deal?

[inland hare]

The flowery one

[sour mesa]

Ball Game

[ripe harbor]

cropped to avoid the OFF spoiler

[low surge]

I need to play OFF

[sharp lodge]

https://old.rxddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1mu56wo/ralsei_makes_a_deal_with_the_devil/

[strange cloud]

Toby Fox including Gaster in undertale with no plans to pay it off because he was bored

[low surge]

He is neutral on these things

[strange cloud]

Toby Fox is neutral on many things

[ripe harbor]

I don't know how I didn't think of it before but I wonder if the baseball bat stuff Dess ||or, more importantly, the Roaring Knight|| has is inspired by it

Toby who lowkey may have considered that

[low surge]

From what little I know about OFF I wouldn’t be surprised

[ripe harbor]

esp given how they act

ya

though I also need to play OFF because I'm mostly unspoiled on it

[low surge]

I mean the guy just did the music for its new edition

Iirc

[dense cargo]

I assumed it was a reference to Mother, but it very well could be inspired by OFF.

[low surge]

I only know a little about it too so I need to give it a shot

[ripe harbor]

I also thought it was more of a ness thing if I gave it any thought at all

but the Batter is way more violent than Ness with that bat lmao

doesn't have to just be one or the other

could be Dess has the bat as a nod to Mother, the Roaring Knight has it as a nod to OFF

esp when the Black Shard deals extra damage to the enemies you can Off-reference 'purify'

the 'tail of hell' / 'pointed tail' thing might be a reference to Breath of Fire 2, too

the plot of that game involves

demon curse that causes everyone in your hometown to forget you, as if you never existed at all

striking out with another orphan afterward, taking shelter in a dark cave where you see a pointed demon's tail

getting spared by it because it thinks you can be the 'destined child' who will throw open the doorway for the demons to enter the world, and wants to send you down that path

https://youtu.be/redLmPHTMnU?si=3WqFffCIdXshxFXV&t=810

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVKvdKyxv2Y

[strange cloud]

Funniest pre chapter 3 predictions we all forgot about was people expecting FRIEND to be helpful and nice and Tenna to be evil

[ripe harbor]

I kind of want Friend to act like this if it shows up in the bunker

and DR already does reference this game

[sour mesa]

lol

is that Brandish?

[ripe harbor]

its Breath of Fire 2

[sour mesa]

ahaaaa

[ripe harbor]

I never heard of this one until after chapters 3+4

its apperantly where the Guts fire is from

neat!

Honestly, I've heard more about Brandish as an inspiration than this one

[sour mesa]

Assembling the corkboard

[ripe harbor]

its got some merit

theres another moment where, back when UT was released / translated, BoF2 was brought up as an counter-example for what inspired the sparing system

"Game that references older rpgs references older rpg" isn't too surprising- but

that that games plot involves manipulation from a pointed-tail demon whos wants you to 'open the gate to Infinity', and the whole "entire village loses memory of your existence as a person overnight, like you never lived there at all"

whats he cooking......

I'm not even a truther for this one, I just never see it mentioned as inspiration compared to Brandish or Mother 3 or whatever lmao

[merry arrow]

Excellent game. Be careful how you word things when you finish the game, it's always funny seeing people saying "I just beat OFF"

[ripe harbor]

thats half the fun

I was talking about how excited I was to Get OFF for like 2 weeks

[merry arrow]

I'm excited to play it again, I havent beaten OFF in about a decade

[ripe harbor]

later I'm planning on Beating OFF live, with my friends watching 😌

[merry arrow]

Same, I'm gonna stream myself beating OFF

[ripe harbor]

oh my fucking god Ramb does all that secret boss quoting because the Mantle's Holder is the Strange Someone? Is that it?

like a giant neon sign for casual players THIS STUFF IS SPAMTON AND JEVIL RELATED, not just as optional content,

but because the thing back there is?

I just thought he was kinda cringe & chopped

[strange cloud]

I mean that’s still true

[low surge]

Toby what the fuck

[rain lotus]

police sacrifice next week you know how it is

[sour mesa]

wHAT

[timber widget]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Wnt0_QN1PFE?si=nIWDz3j-O-iBuTZF&utm_source=ZTQxO

[sharp lodge]

was listening to the chapter 3+4 soundtrack and i swear TV WORLD references hey every

[rain lotus]

that'd scan (tv joke)

[analog burrow]

Undyne living out a Silent Hill game in the shelter

[rain lotus]

it'd be funny if this is how they reveal whatever object ralsei presumably is (assuming he's not some weird like, phantasm or whatever)

i've been doodling every day because of this damn game

[low surge]

heh

[low surge]

“Fahahah Susie! Kris! I’m having so much fun with you guys at the festival let’s go get ice cream and ride the Ferris wheel:)”
Undyne in the Bunker

[rain lotus]

undyne subplots 🤝 kris subplots

soul subplots:

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-gif-16390969084748958274

[ripe harbor]

both are versions of Tenna's main theme

or one of his themes? He's got a lot of variation in his tracks

https://youtu.be/GHioZYlERS0?si=uXFebOkV767M6Jb9&t=55

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1voYPPWllPU

see

[sharp lodge]

how did i not notice that before wtf

[ripe harbor]

yeah TV World definitely quotes it in the Sax & afterwards

https://youtu.be/DstO9slC_5U?si=hwR4klznHuqOeZuS&t=74

[sour mesa]

https://veveisveryuncool.tumblr.com/post/792194919474282496

"the stars sparkled twice as bright in the dark"

their life is OVER.

-# #full supporter of togore being kris' dead name 👆canon to me atp #either the holidays refused to let toriel keep that name or kris begged the holidays to give them a diff name when they were old enough #''no godchild of mine is being named fucking togore'' #deltarune #kris dreemurr #kris deltarune #susie deltarune #noelle holiday #togore #veves ultra cool art

Tumblr · Aug 18, 2025, 5:45 AM

[ripe harbor]

I dont think I consciously noticed it while playing (except in the intro) but it DID keep triggering my flight or fight response

a spectre is haunting TV World....

[sharp lodge]

the specter of spamton g spamton

[ripe harbor]

theres a pretty good chance his other motif - the one that shows up in "Digital Roots" and "Bit Roots" - is also not originally his

🙏 love that for him

keep stealing those melodies king

[rain lotus]

i bet that garbage can wasn't even his

[ripe harbor]

see he's a big proponent of recycling & creative commons

[ripe harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ri7ukxUBaY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc909yFrM1U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfvB-bVpH7Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSm5gKlmw2M

all riffing on the same melody

well the last two are actually identical except one is slowed but

considering the context for the more ominous songs

It could be anyones theme its a real mystery

theres really no way to tell why Spamton would include this motif in his own. Probably a Tony Trick.

oh well

I was thinking about this the other day,

the Old Man never actually says he wrote the Lord of the Hammer books, right?

I wonder what he'd answer if you asked him

Gerson wrote them, and he is Gerson, but he might not have written them

funky

[crimson badger]

that's a meaty play on identity I've been rotating for my own concepts (probably budding off of SOMA initially)
he is Gerson, he's recognized as Gerson, he very much is a direct continuation of Gerson post mortem
he is not Light World Gerson, never was, but he still is Gerson, he probably still bears the memories and subjectivity of having written Lord of the Hammer, even if he wasn't the specific Gerson that did it

[rain lotus]

he'd probably wax philosophical like "WE wrote lord of the hammer"

and then he'd stroke his beard

[crimson badger]

wait no... its not quite right

he's the imprint of the impact Gerson left on whoever made the fountain

(he'd probably still do it)

he's not the Gerson Boom, but the reflection left by him

and it seems to be as a teacher and author

[rain barn]

I'm reminded of a bit from ffxiv shadowbringers that approaches something like that in a different direction

[crimson badger]

hmmm

I feel that there is something here but I can't quite pluck what

[restive comet]

https://youtu.be/f3WMjTHtTaE?si=IKxa5Y09bWnWtvre

I feel like this video makes me glad I don't interact with the fandom outside of here

Also I feel like Sans's actions go deeper than shown in this video

For one I feel like he's probably aware of Kris and The Knight and partially went on a date with Toriel to stop her from being abducted at church, along with everyone else since she directs the choir

And I think he probably would've asked her out anyways, just decided to kill two birds with one stone metaphorically

I think the timing of that date if that was intentional shows that he cares about her safety and would rather let her get drunk and party hard, potentially embarassing Kris, than lose her to be presumably sacrificed by The Knight

Also I feel like he might be working undercover with Carol and Asgore to track down The Knight too since it seems like he knows Asgore prior to Ch2, even if he doesn't feel comfortable around him

I imagine neither he or Toriel accounted for Kris and Susie being out looking for her though

And are probably not aware of the hell the two of them went through in the process

Maybe Sans would have a hunch on it, but probably wouldn't think too hard on it

Anyways, thanks for listening to my TED talk

[crimson badger]

I don't trust that skeleton, he's hiding something, he's gotta be

I don't even know if he's in on it in on it or if the timeline stuff mentioned will make a comeback

[restive comet]

If he knows that Kris is our vessel/cage, he probably trusts that they'd be safe in our hands and will make it back in one piece since we and Kris mutually need eachother

Probably suspects that immediately if you say it's "Nice to see him again"

Considering his smug response

[crimson badger]

yeah

once I started rotating deltarune in my brain more I thought if there's a direct UT/DR line its sans leaving DR and entering DT, but him acting as his normal smug self when the SOUL expresses something Kris shouldn't know or have experienced at all kinda puts a hole in that

[low surge]

I’m skeptical of Sans being clued in on what’s happening with Kris and the Knight

[crimson badger]

yeah, tbh I don't know if sans knows, or if he's trolling me, or if I'm trolling myself through him

[ripe harbor]

yeah
I was thinking about how his own perspective on it seems to be never saying he wrote it

even with those memories

which seems like an interesting characterization

he remembers writing them, but also knows he's a Darkner given form by the Fountain, so talks about them as an existing work

[crimson badger]

yeahyeahyeah

[ripe harbor]

and this whole idea of sketches on sketches, and copies is cropping up more in the background

[crimson badger]

he's extremely aware of his situation as an imprint/having memories imprinted into his light world counterpart

[ripe harbor]

ofc all the main Lightners struggles are identity struggles too

[crimson badger]

yeah

[ripe harbor]

what makes you 'you'?

[crimson badger]

I first noticed how Gerson worked as a way to talk about inspiration/derivation/fanworks/expectations/serve as a way to obliquely talk about DR itself

and now there's the tie in into the identity thing

when did you start being you

[ripe harbor]

DR as a work seems to consider creation of identity and creation of fiction basically synonymous

[crimson badger]

yeah

[ripe harbor]

its why the prophecy hooks onto both

[crimson badger]

YEAH

[ripe harbor]

its written, and it defines your place in the world

but have no place in the world, no connections, and you lose yourself too

become indistinct

[crimson badger]

and both exist through the way one reflects off of/interacts with another

[ripe harbor]

People are shaped by perception, both in the vague societal sense

and then literalized with the Dark Worlds

where Darkners take forms based on perception & theres Spooky Eyes everywhere

to be seen is to be defined is to exist

Light as the thing that defines, and Lightners having a light within representing that they can self-define

or can they?

and then the story pokes at that

Can you choose who you are in this world?

[crimson badger]

feels like something dislodged in my noggin', specially with how the light world/dark world relate (and thinking how susie could start to leave the "Outsider Bully" BECAUSE of the dark)

[ripe harbor]

yeah, exactly!

Its why I never saw the dark as just escapism

what its been used for, generally, is offering an alternate perspective on 'truths' the cast otherwise would take for granted

Susie is a Mean Girl with No Friends who Likes to Hurt People

thats the role she was given, and even she stopped questioning it by Chapter 1

but that identity was a fiction

[ripe harbor]

idk how this fits into Kris' deal

it definitely seems like the soul responds to the bonds you form, and the game generally treats those as things that define your identity

but Kris isn't Us

Their self-definition is completely seperate and almost entirely at odds with the Soul-Light stuff

thats honestly kind of different from every other Lightner we see

[crimson badger]

yeah

I can't think of anything yet that would tie/play with with Kris' stuff specifically

wonder if that's a spot for the puppet/possession or the puppet/promise stuff to weave in?

[ripe harbor]

actually I was thinking earlier

Element 6 is only ever called [Puppet / Cat] by one guy, and its the same guy who calls "Elec / Holy" -> [ Thunder / Light ]

with the egg segments in 3+4, I do wonder if its actually Copy / Cat

which would mean Kris' connection to the Element & Spamton might not just be because they're both puppets, but because they're both... copies?

this feels like a crack theory tbh

but Kris has a lot of weird associations to goners and things getting 'colored in'

It would be fitting for the games general themes for Kris to have a weird original that calls into question their humanity, though its a little fantastical

Have you form an emotional connection to Kris, reveal they aren't too different from Darkners, something something 'do you care about them any less? are they less real?'

I think rather than propose any specific plot elements I'm just gonna keep "Kris has a weird connection to Copies and Puppets in general" on the backburner, and be ready for wherever that would lead

[crimson badger]

I can see it, there's also the stuff where they could be seen as an alternative to the Vessel from our perspective (or that one post where the GONERMAKER didn't get hijacked, but there was just a long period between the Vessel coming to be and us coming into play)

[ripe harbor]

could just be completely allegorical, like they feel like just a copy because they're such an outcast

could be literal GasterMagic, idk

[crimson badger]

there's also the other tie into it where Kris under our control could be seen as a copy/alternative to Kris by themselves

[ripe harbor]

true

that they could lose their identity & people could go on without them- or it might even be better

I think thats why Chapter 4s ending is rough on them

Happiest Toriel has seemed all game

[crimson badger]

even with Kris filling out the content our choices, there's a growing tension between what we want, what they want, and how that'll affect their relationships with everyone

yeahyeahyeah
even in the instance where our choices match theirs, or act as a Kris+1 idealization, that tension wouldn't vanish, because it wouldn't be Kris making them, and the changes that come from it, even if positive, did not stem from Kris' choices

[serene loom]

and Noelle and other characters both make a major point of the fact that Soul-as-Kris and Kris-as-Kris act differently no matter what

[crimson badger]

yeahyeah

[ripe harbor]

which is interesting when its called a 'human soul' and 'kris' soul' by other characters

but without the probably later explanation of what exactly happened at the very start of the game, its up in the air

if the Soul was external to them entirely until we showed up they were under some very strange circumstances

[crimson badger]

yeah

feeling at least that the Soul/Kris tensions tie into Goner Kid's dialogue somewhat

Have you ever thought about a world where everything is exactly the same...
Except you don't exist?
Everything functions perfectly without you...
Ha, ha... The thought terrifies me.

would you exist if someone else was you most of the time?

[ripe harbor]

seems to be something they think about, too

[rain lotus]

goner kid's text abt forgetting them is also a thoroughline i notice

[ripe harbor]

mhm

Goner Kid specifically also seems to be MK's sister, going by their text

(assuming they are related)

[crimson badger]

sprite swap, its open and shut at this point I'm afraid

[ripe harbor]

so a missing greyscale sister, who worries about the world going on without them

[ripe harbor]

I actually think part of that identity-reinforcement is going to be about remembering who you are or whatever

I wouldn't be surprised if The Roaring Knight 'forgot' themselves

memories as something to hold your identity steady

[rain lotus]

yeah i mentioned something like that to my partner

[ripe harbor]

successfully -pilled another in my circle 😈

if you do it right you don't even need to mention Friend you just start talking about the writing and they go "Oh its Friend. Yeah its Friend ok I get it."

If someone thinks the 'strange someone' in Jevil's backstory and the Phone 'Somebody' in Spamton's is the same character they're honestly halfway there

[sour mesa]

gottem

[ripe harbor]

pretty much nobody who believes that goes 'yeah but the mysterious Someone in Gerson's quest related to the shadow crystal is a completely different character. for reasons.' lol

it would be funny if each mysterious mystery box character was different though. Friend was Spamton's, Eram ofc ( ), Jevil met Gaster

and uhhhhhh

Chara left the crystal for Gerson

(they really liked his book series)

[lusty cypress]

dead by daylight deltarune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2sjl2ROHgA

[low surge]

Mama Spamton the beloved chapter 2 character

[sharp lodge]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1mvde7m/deltarune_as_lancer_mechs/?ref=share&ref_source=link

[delicate cave]

absolutely excellent, but we all know Ralsei would be a Lancaster

[ripe harbor]

me when I'm in a 'weirdly parallels Kris' competition and my opponent is #thebest97

[ripe harbor]

I think his ass can exclusively only play this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56HM9LzCnO0

[crimson badger]

spamton is behind minimal music confirmed

[ripe harbor]

often features repetitive patterns, steady rhythms, consonant harmonies, and the reiteration of musical phrases or smaller units

yeah that seems about right

except perhaps the harmonies idk enough about music for whatever Big Shot is doing. I just know its good 😌

[low surge]

“Dialogue” that makes me feel some sort of way

Like Spamton man I know you’re a little freak but damn man I’m sorry you had to go through all that

[ripe harbor]

I'm kinda caught up on that "Kris isn't a normal Lightner / Human" thing

its weirdly fitting. very fitting to their personal secret stuff.

they are a 'cheater', Mx. Mantle says they are "Playing around", this egg room dialogue

lots of fraud going around

"Where I came from / Nowhere / Here" - three different answers or cheeky way to say the same place?

If the truth is the Light World, what does it imply if Kris is consistently painted as cheating or lying in their secret encounters?

"The Cage, with human parts and soul" is a dehumanizing way to refer to Kris- but

what if theres a reason the prophecy doesn't call them human?

What if, in the traditional sense, they didn't start out as one?

[crimson badger]

its such a specific phrase that can go so many directions

not only from Kris' end but indicating that the prophecy doesn't require a human specifically

[ripe harbor]

I just kind of took it as unquestioned that ofc Kris was a 'normal' human

[sharp lodge]

i think it's more that kris is less important than the soul they have

[ripe harbor]

but in a game with this much focus on identity, perception, and treating things that look & act alive as being worth consideration, maybe that should have an * around it

[sharp lodge]

i think the bit about human parts is meant to imply that they are human but in a dehumanizing way

[ripe harbor]

yeah I don't think it matters if they were born to two human parents, or spawned from Gaster's Funky Fresh Homunculus Lab or whatever

because they are a person

I just wonder if this is the type of game to basically underline that point by making them, well

not a normal person

[crimson badger]

there is also the read on the "intended" prophecy having the vessel taking on the role of cage instead, which is more direct

[ripe harbor]

would it make them less of a person if they came from the dark, and never had a soul?

[crimson badger]

maybe, the Gerson stuff introduced the concept of someone who both is and isn't

[ripe harbor]

true, though its fairly accurate in other ways- even including specific events involving characters in Kris' life

[ripe harbor]

yeah-

its like

Chapter 2 secret boss

[sharp lodge]

possibly
or it could be a weird route thing
like how i think that it involves replacing susie with noelle as second hero maybe kris will get replaced by the vessel

[ripe harbor]

fraud who wants to 'become real' - very emotionally affects Kris
chapter 3
literally a mirror where you control kris through kris until that secret one 'goes up' a level, while taunted about how you wont get what you want
chapter 4
half-dead maybe-person says you shouldn't worry about 'the truth' so much as writing your own stories in between the lines

Kris with the constant worries about going 'nowhere', which you can say to Gerson or this Zapper...

who sees through their hand with the shadow crystals, whos got a connection to 'colored in copies', who looks like a colored in vessel, who has weird things going on with a soul / lack of one...

[ripe harbor]

what if they aren't 'supposed' to be in Hometown, in a metaphysical sense?

thats basically the crux of this lens, I think

not just the metaphor of an outsider adopted kid, but actually following it through with the magic

what if they are an outsider to here, in a much larger sense?

Would that make them belong any less than when you thought they were just an orphaned kid?

I mean the definition given in game of what a human is

[crimson badger]

this is a very strong concept, tugs good at the noggin

[ripe harbor]

did Kris have one? Did they start with one?

do we 'make them' human?

[crimson badger]

and this feeds directly into identity as a fiction

I'm putting a pin on this for my own stuff

gives the good brainwaves, there's a lot here even if not in DR

[ripe harbor]

yeah its something I can't say is super rooted in the text, at least yet

it was more me idly thinking about Copies, and if Element 6 was copy, before that tinged on the Kris-Soul-Indentity stuff

What it would mean for Kris to have a closer relationship with copies, or able to use 'copy' items

it would tie in a lot of the extremely vague and repeated monochrome sketching & greyscale copy thing though

at least to Kris personally

and its not like their history is hinted at anywhere- they are the only human, and hometown lacks any sort of adoption center you'd see. They gotta be from somewhere else

Does that somewhere have to be the Light World?

theres already other

normal folk around town

[crimson badger]

I was thinking on how under this idea you could also add on to Ralsei's strong sense of self identity against being compared to Asriel but I feel this also draws on and feeds back to Kris

(feels good to think things like this, very worldbuilding/discovery writing adjacent where rules are being tweaked or interpreted and seeing how that bubbles out into the rest of the plot and themes)

[ripe harbor]

theres also a bit of

it was up in the air for a while about if DR would have monsters in the Light World or not, according to Toby

or if every character would be human, and turn into fantastical stuff in the Dark World

so.... was Kris' characterization different, or not rooted strictly in being a human among monsters?

either could be the case, game dev takes a long time and things change during the writing process (beta susie looks way different)

[crimson badger]

seems my brain still comes back to "the prince alone in the deepest dark" specifically if the deepest dark is an allusion to dark worlds, or the darkness they spawn out of and how that moves around the party like the towers of hanoi

yeah

even CH1 differs from current as the game's evolved over the years

[ripe harbor]

even the titans and the spawning seems in the same ballpark as the Kris-origin stuff

like its all about Identity

in chapters 1+2 the core lightner conflicts were about identity, and purpose was an issue with a ton of Darkners- but this theme just keeps getting extended into the baseline fantastical parts too

is it going to continue to be about the birth of the self from nothingness going forward, after the titan? probably

the issue with the Titans isn't just about fiction swallowing reality, its about losing your identity

The issue with the Roaring Knight seems like its gonna be about losing your identity

so the Soul Metaphysics & Soul-Light stuff? Probably going to be related to Identity

[low surge]

Always bet on GonerBird

I’ll be so fucking pissed if this was a red herring but there’s no way

I’m also fairly convinced that OnionSan is cooked

[strange cloud]

It’s insane how much I believe that bird is a goner that’s been “colored in”

More then friend, more then Gaster, more then goddamn asgore in chapter 5

I believe that fuck ass bird isn’t real

[low surge]

Yep

Same with the one Rudinn

Gaster has his agents everywhere man

[strange cloud]

Friend got commissioned by Gaster to put a 50 cal between his eyes

[ripe harbor]

and it loves to repeat previous sentences

a copy, that copies others words

which could mean nothing

[low surge]

I do wonder what its purpose is though

[strange cloud]

Genuinely, to hide the books from us

[ripe harbor]

won't let us read about the SOUL >:(

[low surge]

Like clearly Gaster doesn’t need eyes to see us through since they’re just watching us from outside

[ripe harbor]

probably because it would reveal some Big Deal stuff

[low surge]

Blocking important information most likely is it

[ripe harbor]

probably about the Soul's relationship to the Light and Dark

[strange cloud]

Gaster is hiding the books written by Professor of Human Psychology Gaster

[low surge]

Onion did say they would tell us about the song from the sea, and lo and behold who’s standing there blocking us

But also why I wonder, what could he so dangerous for us to know

[ripe harbor]

they aren't even plot relevant theres just a picture of another him with the chopped vessel cut in there

and he's embarassed

[low surge]

IMAGE_CHOPPED

[strange cloud]

OH FUCK

MY OLD HIGHSCHOOL YEARBOOK PHOTOS

I LEFT IT WITH [REDACTED] IN DELTARUNE

I CANT LET THE PLAYER SEE IT

THEY WILL THINK ITS EMBARRASSING

[low surge]

Embarrassing photos of Gaster at the Christmas party

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-empty-box-gif-13080343

[strange cloud]

The picture is just the tiny shard of him Follower #2 was holding

[ripe harbor]

if Element 6 is Copy instead of Puppet it would also finally give a good reason to connect it to Gaster

cause he's not a cat. and he doesn't seem particularly puppet-like

but

[ripe harbor]

definitely exists as a lot of copies!

makes copies of your save files, makes monochromatic copies with his GOONERMAKER

repeats the sound of the ocean / the prophecy, if that cracked shell is an allusion to Gaster

[strange cloud]

Gaster

[ripe harbor]

its like Gerson, the author who parallels Gaster, who took an existing work and re-interpreted it

he copied the prophecy and made it his own

all creative work is... copying?

all people exist as reflections of the people and world around them?

what does it mean to be 'true' and real, if nobody can choose who they are?

straight up this theme connects the Gaster bits, the Personal Struggles of the characters, and the Fantastical Magic stuff of the Knight + Secret Bosses

[strange cloud]

Yah, god that copies are monochrome line really did recontextualize everything with Gaster

[ripe harbor]

and the metatext about creative works and re-interpretation

like uhhhh

Tenna's game not being the 'original' game

what would it mean to be original as a person?

||I walked into it but whatever. post it. I know you want to.||

[strange cloud]

…I don’t know what you’re talking about tbh

[rain barn]

The original Starwalker

[strange cloud]

Oh my god

https://www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/s/2BGvpQgriV

[rain barn]

the artist's been posting them in #the-gallery too

[strange cloud]

Ah shit lol

[ripe harbor]

mfw I roll triples on Kris and meet The Egg Man

[strange cloud]

Unironically accidentally clipping into a strange pocket dimension related to your chatacter’s past trauma is something that could happen in lancer

Paracausality is a bitch

[ripe harbor]

you could totally use Jevil as a base for a cascading NHP

[low surge]

The fuckass Eidolon who tailor made my torment nexus

[ripe harbor]

you're all trapped within fate, I'm 'outside'

[low surge]

That actually works perfect

I mean even Spamton could work

[strange cloud]

ARE YAH WATCHING [[RA]]?

[low surge]

NHP that glimpses something “above” it and is now going absolutely fuck ass religious psychosis insane trying to do it again

[low surge]

Real

[ripe harbor]

you decouple it from its shackles and it grasps the gnostic truth of identity-itself-as-a-shackle

[low surge]

Former SSC sales director NHP

[ripe harbor]

as puppet strings to.... somewhere.... come off its mech

[low surge]

Bang

[ripe harbor]

Titans might also have overlap

they might be the 'holy' for some of the same reason lancer has cults dedicated to subjective experience itself

[sharp lodge]

But then what's the birdcage for, and why's there a bloodstain in kris's room from before the start of the game?

[ripe harbor]

you take some sort of alien not-person and give it context until it starts thinking and acting like a person

[strange cloud]

Lol

[low surge]

Okay so what frame is Spamton because honestly the idea is sick

[ripe harbor]

if the soul isn't the player, why is it so directly connected to us specifically, even before we meet Kris?

Like it seems like its more "The soul is us, Kris puts us in them" instead of "The soul is Kris', we are hijacking it"

And we know that Kris recently is different from how Kris 'normally acts' - so, what, did Kris not have a Soul before us? Did something happen to their soul before us?

[strange cloud]

Imo, an old discarded Kobold that’s been infected with paracausal bullshit

[ripe harbor]

^

[strange cloud]

The frame made to fulfill the dreams of the oppressed

[ripe harbor]

I vote Iskander for the Neo body though

[strange cloud]

Now piloted by someone wishing to become oppressor

[ripe harbor]

he's got a lot of bombs and summons

[low surge]

Kobold melted in and fused with an Iskander

[ripe harbor]

and its thematically fitting for him to run out of ammo mid fight

[strange cloud]

Core power: pipis room

[low surge]

Like those sort of more horror adjacent takes on the NEO body

It’s peak

Tom please hire me I have no original ideas but I’m good at stealing

[ripe harbor]

I like most NEO designs

[strange cloud]

^ Gerson

[ripe harbor]

but theres always this quote in the back of my mind when I'm looking at them lmao

theres a sweet spot where it's more tragic if its almost grandiose instead of a complete joke

[low surge]

Oh yeah for sure

[ripe harbor]

like it should be wrong, it should be off, it should be twisted and junk-y, but

it should be close enough to be sad

[low surge]

Spamtons awful caricature smiling face plastered on this sleek beautiful lovingly crafted machine that’s been worn by time and neglect

[ripe harbor]

Glass gone rotten

[low surge]

Award losing smile

[ripe harbor]

its not a dream that could be made true, not in the right way

[low surge]

They really put him in the torture nexus and forgot to turn it off

[ripe harbor]

one of the most fascinating angles in it is how much the NEO body itself mirrors Spamton

like, his comeback is also its comeback

and without him, it would never be anything more but left in the garbage. without it, he would be the same!

theres like a weird gravity to it. Nobody else cared about that body ever having a future, but him. Taking that junked-tech and turning it into something meaningful needs to be possible, because he needs to be able to take himself and do the same. Crazy stuff.

as much as it completed him, he completed it

[delicate cave]

live STARW ALKER reaction

[rain lotus]

https://www.tumblr.com/tambersome/791216505274728448/what-cute-kids-hope-nothing-deeply-traumatising

10% Artist 90% Girlfailer

What cute kids, hope nothing deeply traumatising happens to them :D

-# #fanart #deltarune #deltarune fanart #deltarune kris #kris dreemurr #deltarune noelle #noelle holiday #kris and noelle #deltarune december #december holiday #deltarune dess #tambs art

Tumblr · Aug 7, 2025, 10:34 AM

[low surge]

@Edborlon

[ripe harbor]

wonder if & how its plot relevant that Kris alone can't use magic in the Dark World

its not like monsters seem to have it in the Light World

its like instead of magic they got the soul

wonder if it would've been a distinction kept in the "everyone in the LW is human, DW -> furry beam" version of DR

[rain lotus]

i sort of thought it was another identity thing

wouldn't be shocked if kris is some kind of turbo misanthrope like chara

one that cannot in good conscience call themselves Human

there's something in my head about the prophecy being written by the people who fulfill it hence the girl's being all fucked up

[ripe harbor]

oh

oh, ok, sure

thank you for you humble service bro 👍 I appreicate it

[sharp lodge]

https://www.rxddit.com/gallery/1mvr4wv

[restive comet]

Ngl, reading the design works for Dark Souls makes me want to play an Undead character the next time I play Pathfinder

[rain lotus]

my favorite one's cut off by the embed

[sour mesa]

Oh that's nice

[ripe harbor]

yeah its a great piece

theres also alt-versions with secret boss front covers, I think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku3DQtazp74

really, Deltarune fans?

[sharp lodge]

?????

[rain lotus]

?

[ripe harbor]

"really, deltarune fans?" is a joke from the wplace stuff & people recoloring eyes to be yellow and pink

the cat ads from cyber city are in this art probably referencing

I'm acting like someone came along and defaced this art by adding that for a bit

[low surge]

They couldn’t even get the colors right smh

It’s also really funny how people made art of like killing Spamton to try and get a rise out of us as if placing him in the infernal engine of woe isn’t a communal hobby

[strange cloud]

That whole Wplace drama is still the most unserious thing in the world lol

People legitimately got mad at Deltarune fans for drawing on the website you’re meant to draw on

Like, come on

[low surge]

And then defacing their own stuff in very obvious ways to try and drum up outrage

Not even mentioning “le western fans” thing

Very funny

[strange cloud]

We really had our own version of this

[low surge]

Please continue to show your whole ass to the class

[strange cloud]

God that in particular is so funny because these people have like, a headcanoned version of Toby fox where he actually is a Japanese indie dev who never interacts with his community

[low surge]

Toby is neutral on his western audience

He doesn’t want to offend anyone

[strange cloud]

So true

[low surge]

The anti-woke grifters briefly tried to latch on to Deltarune which is just endlessly hilarious

Immediately fell flat on their asses great hustle out there team

[strange cloud]

They keep trying

It’s so funny

Deltarune is woke but also to plainly good to ignore so they keep trying and failing to take it for themselves

They tried the same with BG3

[low surge]

At least the community is super resilient against it, too many things I enjoy end up getting infiltrated by dipshits looking for a paycheck

[strange cloud]

Yah I could never imagine the Deltarune fandom falling for that bullshit

It’s awful, but it is woke

It’s its only good quality

[ripe harbor]

its got a lot of creatives

[strange cloud]

That too

[ripe harbor]

the amount of community weeklong art shitposts is CRAZY

fuck it I guess 100 Friendington images, why not

and the UTDR space on soundcloud is like one of those isolated deep sea ecosystems

[strange cloud]

Yah the SoundCloud scene is still crazy active

Which is especially shocking

[low surge]

Speaking of, I’ve got to get some sort of stylus or something because Toby keeps hitting me with his mind beams for Dreemur divorce art

God Told Me To Get More Divorced

[analog burrow]

Ominous battle text my beloved

I crave more unsettling flavor text

[ripe harbor]

reminds me of some straight up not-good analysis I read the other day

💀

very funny sentence given his, uh, actual battles

[analog burrow]

You see, spamton was just pretending to be surprised by the power of NEO not being enough to reach heaven

[ripe harbor]

they actually argue pretty similar in the rest of the very long post

[analog burrow]

But yeah, spamton’s definitely up at the top when it comes to interesting battle text, next to the Titan Spawn and Knight imo

[low surge]

Spamton was just making it all up, actually

[ripe harbor]

"Spamton turns to the audience and laughs."
"Spamton begs to the audience, Spamton prays to the audience"
"There is no audience"
"The stage lights are shattered."
"The air crackles with freedom."

[low surge]

He’s just screaming into the void for fun

[analog burrow]

Love the way the Knight’s attacks are all described as these very distinct, mostly unpleasant sensations.

"You felt lightheaded. You saw golden stars..."
"You feel surrounded."
"Suddenly, a tempest."
"You feel cornered."
"Your heartbeat becomes twisted."

[ripe harbor]

I like there is no audience because its true, emotionally hard hitting, and also kind of the game lying to you

there is a GALLERY for sure, its just he's also having a breakdown away from the eyes of god or his fellows

[low surge]

Spamton just pushed all the people he loved away as a joke, just like how all the people that loved him weren’t there for him in his hour of need

Quite arguable one of the people that least knows what they’re doing half the time. He’s frighteningly lucid and manipulative one moment and the next he’s incoherent babbling to a god that abandoned him long ago.

Like just from the little snippet I can understand where they’d get that idea, he’s super manipulative, he’s just also very much not in possession of his faculties

[analog burrow]

Perhaps he’s somewhat aware of his role in the grand scheme of things. doomed to be a puppet, discarded once his purpose is served.

foolishly believing he can break from his fate, not realizing a puppet is nothing without its strings

[rain lotus]

tricky tony's greatest trick was getting me inspired

[rain lotus]

a friend remarked that the knight's theme really feels otherworldly and i'd say the whole fight just kinda feels that way

the fact it feels like it's trying to attack the projectile box with half its moves

especially how when it comes back together with that one attack it still has the fractures left by the combo chain

there's just so much going on in that fight it rules. it kicks ass. it rips

[ripe harbor]

that this controller is described as 'knock-off' every time it shows up is probably support for 'poor-imitation' as A Thing related to the pink + yellow color coding

[timber widget]

It is a copy, and yet notoriously not monochrome.

Goner friend?

[sharp lodge]

it seems to fit with some of the symptoms of a panic attack
maybe kris is having one during the fight?

[analog burrow]

Yeah, that’s the first thing that came to mind

Though the golden stars and north winds also make me think of Dess

[rain lotus]

i like this b.c. it makes me think the smile they do when you tell them to hold their breath more than once is just breathing exercises working

[rain lotus]

like hey the party's down but we good

[ripe harbor]

yeah thats what kind of 🤔 gets me about it

its literally heterochromatic as its main thing

and the most monochromatic enemies in the game are the Titans, The Titanspawn, and the Roaring Knight

... with the first ones being filled with an endless scintillating 'holy' rainbow pattern

though

just because something has color doesn't seem to make it 'not' monochrome?

not a copy?

I have a feeling petrified darkners turning to grey stone, and the fountains pulsing with color might be related here. Darkners in general are empty reflections, given color by the fountains, or the light? Maybe the spawn are just Darkners without context to define them, a sort of default, colorless?

[ripe harbor]

I like that read

[sharp lodge]

https://www.rxddit.com/gallery/1mvqual

[strange cloud]

The only thing that could make Kris worse is going from the youngest kid to the middle kid

[rain lotus]

[movie trailer voice] this fall...

[strange cloud]

LOL

[serene loom]

toriels second cousin toriel from Ebott Town and her adopted kid Frisk

[serene loom]

been watching snapcubes playthrough, and im at the second sanctuary now and ive just thought of a theory (a game theory)

what if the three heroes of the prophecy... arent any of the player characters? the cage with human soul and parts, the lonely prince from deepest dark, the girl with hope crossed on her heart. what if its the vessel, asriel and dess?

[crimson badger]

oooh, I've seen that floated around (and might be the best fit for party mismatch if the heroes depicted are not the heroes currently, I feel?), there's also the mention on how the heroes are introduced twice in Ralseis abridged prophecy (either as a dramatic "the cavalry arrives at the eleventh hour", or floated under the alternative phrasing of "and then The heroes arrive")

[serene loom]

yeah exactly

and the numbered descriptions are extremely vague and somewhat... mixed?

like is Ralsei actually from "deepest dark"? is the cage stuff dehumanizing by the prophecy or actually referring to the only human-adjacent vessel? and why is the depiction of the girl wielding a sword?

[crimson badger]

I got the vibe at points that the prophecy cares not on the individual who fulfills it, only that they fulfill their condition (but at the same time this route seems pretty intended with the cause and effect of cyber world and TV world and therefore what happens to tenna afterwards)

I've been floating a bit with the copy talk too, as another alternate, that even if we started the game with our vessel, we'd still be stepping into Kris' place, instead of just their shoes

and yeah the deepest dark keeps gnawing at me

[serene loom]

yeah, my thought for the V/A/D version is that it was supposed to be them originally but something went wrong

the incident with dess, or the second voice erasing the vessel, or something else

so now the prophecy is course correcting with a second set of heroes

[crimson badger]

maybe even if we go cyclical, or an attempt to run it back, that the prophecy was partially fulfilled- yeah

[serene loom]

and maybe itll happen again

[dense cargo]

How would Asriel be the lonely prince from the dark?

[serene loom]

something something shelter bullshit

[crimson badger]

split off from Dess during The Incident I'd assume?

alone in the deepest dark, but not lost, he makes it out, only to the find out he was the only one that did

[serene loom]

yeah exactly

[dense cargo]

He's not much of a prince in this game though.

[serene loom]

and The third hero. The prince, alone in deepest dark. is the exact wording

he could be a prince in the dark world, like how kris is a knight

thats a stretch though

[crimson badger]

yeah, it very much hinges on an Asriel having existed before, that was part of nobility as a Prince of the underworld

[dense cargo]

It seems like the weakest part of the theory.

[serene loom]

Definitely

[dense cargo]

I will say, considering Ralsei comes from the Grand Fountain, whose darkness is supposed to be "pure", I think him being in the Deepest Dark isn't unfitting.

[crimson badger]

I see that but it still messes with me with what we've seen of the darkness beyond the darkness beyond

then again castle town has become increasingly defined as the games go on (assuming you recruit)

[sour mesa]

even with the sword, it's clearly Susie's silhouette

[ripe harbor]

There is a bit of an oddity if the heroes are so far off the mark, while the events and other characters involved in the prophecy (Queen's chariot, Lord of Screens etc) aren't

[sour mesa]

so it feels like too much of a fakeout for it to not be her

[ripe harbor]

its really odd how its portrayed in game though

[dense cargo]

Also does that imply this first set of heroes didnt fight the Knight?

[ripe harbor]

I don't have strong feelings either way on if she is-or-isn't

[dense cargo]

Since : THE KNIGHT WHICH MAKES
WITH BLACKENED KNIFE.

SHALL DUEL WITH HEROES
STRIFE BY STRIFE.

[ripe harbor]

but the first hero and the third hero aren't treated by the story the same way "And last, there was The girl, the girl"

it sticks out

[dense cargo]

But if Dess is the Knight (as is most likely at this point) this can't have happened.

Unless the role of the Knight is also passed down?

[crimson badger]

Rory

[ripe harbor]

technically both Susie and Kris are knights who have 'made' with knives on screen

but I don't think the prophecy is referring to either

over the Actual Real Deal Roaring Knight

[dense cargo]

Were those knives blackened?

[ripe harbor]

not really in the slightest at all, yeah

[dense cargo]

Unlike the actual knight, who has an actual canonically named Black Knife.

[ripe harbor]

Susie herself has a bit of association with the dark and, oddly, sound-waves (through her rude buster)

but it doesn't feel like a stretch to say Susie is paralleling the Roaring Knight if the Roaring Knight is December Holiday

so its probably more of a foils thing than anything else

Any theory that has susie not as the second hero runs into ralsei, imo

he'd either be doing some big lies, or is a little dumb

[serene loom]

i think there could definitely be a version of the story where asriel and dess started the prophecy, got interrupted by whatever happened, and the prophecy just rewound and waited until another valid set of folks showed up

[serene loom]

i think ralsei just doesnt know as much of certain details as he thinks.

he knows The Text Of The Prophecy

[ripe harbor]

he has some pretty specifically ominous insight, though

especially into Noelle

[sharp lodge]

also how the various eye carvings resemble the eyes on a titan

[serene loom]

yeah, he definitely also knows more than he shares, and how that intersects is interesting

[ripe harbor]

in WR he doesn't think taking her to the festival is a good idea, in all routes he notes that susie and noelle's 'ferris wheel ride' should be done by now-

even they didn't know they'd have that

if he knows Susie and Noelle start developing a romantic relationship, if the prophecy is that specific, how could he miss such an obvious thing like "There are 4 characters involved here"

though

[serene loom]

this also connects to my "actually the prophecy contains multitudes even though its also linear" theory

(just like the game!)

[ripe harbor]

its not like the odd prophecy panels are the first time the Rude Buster symbol is contrasted with the Deltarune

theres even a flowing 'Dark Fountain' in the middle, here

two sides in a confrontation?

[crimson badger]

there is also a non zero chance that ralsei knows so much that everything is just jumbled up, goat boy seems to have access to our own perspective (given the darkness sections he gives absolute directions to the player), soundtrack and all

[rain lotus]

i know it's a one line bit from ralsei but he says he thought susie was supposed to use ribbons [which might support this kinda]

[ripe harbor]

yeah he could be doing what Gerson warns against

taking the literal knowledge he has and letting it blind him to the context

[serene loom]

oh actually something else

after gersons fight, susie mentions that Dragon Blazers is based on Lord of the Hammer, thus by extension, The Prophecy

you know, the game series where the second entry has a hidden evil route?

[crimson badger]

also this makes it way more ominous given which triangle the tragedy prophecies don't show

Gaster's Deltarune is actually based off of dragon blazers 2

[sour mesa]

which one?

[ripe harbor]

the left one is all cut up

[rain lotus]

:witheredjak:

[ripe harbor]

though.... Idk if the carpet is 'accurate' about which triangle is which

it literally can't be if you think susie isn't supposed to be a hero

[serene loom]

the panels also shows them in a different arrangement

[ripe harbor]

most of the time, shes taking center stage

[crimson badger]

she's main character-ing so hard

[ripe harbor]

1st, 2nd, 3rd

left, middle, right

[rain lotus]

it's so bleak

[ripe harbor]

which, if the left one is kris is probably about equally as ominous lmao

'the cage, with Human Soul and Parts!'
'love finds its way to the girl'

[sharp lodge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/229703720391278593/1408174588692664381/hiii_Shadow.mp4?ex=68a8c848&is=68a776c8&hm=cd359fc1f2744243c3eeb52521533651be95f38ada8b5d2357b63dc3ce4cd27b&

[ripe harbor]

(I was actually checking this the other day after some comments about the piano cover and its semi-consistent for cutscenes and promo art? But tbh this might be a 'toby who didn't think of that')

might just be susie looks better in the middle because shes taller + talks the most

funny how

"Susie is the real main character"
and
"Susie isn't in the prophecy as a hero"
both have support

this was actually the case pre chapter 3+4 too, lmao

I remember talking about it years ago how shes Weird™ in the context of the game and story

where it was hard to tell if shes the most important, or didn't belong at all

[crimson badger]

oh no, my brain forced a new crack theory into me by crossing a lot of streams: the triangles not being definite, the Dreemur's deltarune, partially human susie (although not even needed with how a human just needs a human SOUL by definition), trans ralsei, and copy kris: the party is right but the roles are wrong

[ripe harbor]

oh yeah the Dreemurr deltarune, too!
no idea what thats about

[crimson badger]

yeah, funny how much of a role/rule breaker she is that she feels like an outside context agent while also fitting right in

[ripe harbor]

Gaster doesn't respond to Ralsei in the Gonermaker because he doesn't respect deadnaming #darkyetdarkerwoke

tbh though

the prophecy being malleable to a degree, or having shiftable roles, does give the conspiracy a good motivation for being very controlling but also seemingly working within in

they know what has to happen, they are very committed to making sure its the right people its happening to

especially if there is a tragic end, and noelle and susie are swapped about

[rain lotus]

the reveal will be that gaster's actually just writing this shit on the fly lmfao check this shit

"I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW I ENDED UP HERE. I JUST PULL THINGS OUT OF MY ASS ON THE FLY"

[crimson badger]

yeah, think I've mentioned it before but they're most likely forcing it to happen and piggybacking off of it to do something, whether through the impending roaring or otherwise, end of the world being an undesirable byproduct

[rain lotus]

"I MAKE SIX FIGURES A YEAR"

[crimson badger]

Gaster's deltarune experiment is just him trying to replicate whatever he saw on the first hometown timeline he made observations in

[ripe harbor]

I dont think Gaster is actually in control, particularly

all info about him that actually sets him up as a guy who runs experiments also sets him as someone who had one 'go wrong' and 'fell into his creation' and 'got shattered'

not typically how you describe someone with a lot of personal agency

<Deltarune> seems like its beyond him

[crimson badger]

yeah, and he did have our SOUL stolen before he could place it in the goner but decided to roll with it anyways

feels at times like he's an outside context force that just like us has become increasingly invested into this situation (ignoring the shelter sound effects)

[rain lotus]

"I'M NOT EVEN A DOCTOR. NO ONE'S EVER CALLED MY BLUFF ON IT"

[crimson badger]

theoretical degree in physics

[ripe harbor]

see thats odd too if you take his comments as literal

why was Kris in the super special name check list, if the Vessel was intended?

[crimson badger]

I keep forgetting the name list

[sharp lodge]

maybe kris was intended to be someone we'd meet?

[ripe harbor]

🤷

[crimson badger]

it kinda makes me feel like the vessel was meant to be discarded and there was no goonermaker hijack given the current cause and effect of the prophecy and also gaster talking about these brand new blorbos he found in an alternate world

[ripe harbor]

which could be the case- though