Undertale and Deltarune

[dense cargo]

But for the badge I have no explanation (except maybe a Mother reference).

And I guess the same-Sans theory could make sense with DR Sans seeming less cynical than UT Sans, maybe?

[ripe harbor]

true

the real question basically becomes

"Was he involved in these pre-existing scientific activities before or after the plot of Deltarune?"

[dense cargo]

He probably knows something is up before the beginning of the game.

It's the only way those interactions in ch 1 make sense, I think

[inland hare]

Yeah from all the evidence we got

I think sans is the same character between two games

Like actually

I think it has to be before

He already has space time power in deltarune

[merry arrow]

My one hope for deltarune is that they don't explain too much. I like there being some amount of ambiguity and speculation

[inland hare]

In a way that makes me assume he has to have some kind of secret knowledge and maybe co conspirators

I don’t think deltarune sans is aware of undertale events though

Since that’s probably in the future for him

But he’s probably aware that time travel is possible?

[crystal shale]

Is Deltarune before or after Undertale though

Or it is two separate timelines

[inland hare]

Relative

Undertale is before Deltarune for You

I think deltarune is before Undertale for sans

[crystal shale]

Mhm

[inland hare]

Time is a time wimey ball and all that

[dense cargo]

I think The place where it rained makes it almost indisputable, yeah

[inland hare]

And conversely the fact that You can reference Undertale events kinda implies that You are meant to be the same character between UT and DT

[dense cargo]

Yeah, I think Toby Fox even said that DR is a game you can play after UT

[inland hare]

You are meant to have played UT first for the plot beats to hit hard as it does I feel

[delicate cave]

is it explicitly a police style badge? name badges are a normal thing for a scientist or doctor to wear

[crystal shale]

Yeah Deltarune exists in conversation with Undertale

[dense cargo]

Which yeah obviously, because it comes afterwards, but when you consider the role You play in the game...

[inland hare]

I don’t know if sans is a time cop but he does call himself a judge

[dense cargo]

I don't think it's explicit

[crystal shale]

Its hard to only play Deltarune and not Undertale, since you miss out on atuff

[crystal shale]

Maybe he knows the key to the Bunker

[ripe harbor]

The 'janitor' thing just reminds me so much of the small bald guy in Discworld working for the Time Monks who does the same thing, as a joke

walks around, sweeping, keeps spacetime held together

I don't know if its explicit there either, but the joke is that regardless of him patching paradoxes or literally brushing dirt, its the same general work. Cleaning.

[inland hare]

It’s notable that sans mentions that he is usually far far more unforgiving and lethal

Than he acts in undertale

[dense cargo]

Then clearly he's terrible at his job. All he did back in UT was despair about the anomaly, and only bother intervening when literally everyone else was dead.

[inland hare]

The only reason why he didn’t atomize us the moment we left the ruins

[dense cargo]

Which actually, is pretty fitting.

[inland hare]

Is because he promised Toriel he would keep you safe

Which he didn’t but you know, he’s a horrible guardian

But yeah if he actually did his job properly

Most everyone wouldn’t be able to progress a single foot past the ruins

[dense cargo]

He did maybe kind of deal with Flowey though.

[restive comet]

I thought it's more with rather than after

[dense cargo]

I think he called it "a game you can play after you complete Undertale, if you want to"

[merry arrow]

Parallel

We on some homestuck bullshit

[delicate cave]

it's subjectively simultaneous. every time sans is off screen in one game it's because he's on screen in the other

[restive comet]

Ah

[ripe harbor]

idk if you can track before or after when the biggest link between the two was scattered across time

plus the ages + physical makeup of characters are completely different, I think?

the first human in Undertale falls in 201X -> quite some time passes -> plot of Undertale
Deltarune takes place in some time around our irl current year, I think

[dense cargo]

Considering Undyne has both eyes...

[ripe harbor]

there we go

Deltarune is (cut-content) in 202X

[dense cargo]

Also, I did realise that Asgore and Toriel can actually age in Deltarune, since Asriel is alive

[ripe harbor]

I don't even think the Boss Monster thing still applies, tbh

[dense cargo]

Actually yeah, we don't know

[ripe harbor]

but thats mostly because the Light World and Monsters seem generally much more grounded in DR

[inland hare]

less magical for sure

[ripe harbor]

Full of Blood and all that, eat physical food

Souls also don't seem to work the same way or operate on the same rules

[inland hare]

monsters in deltarune don't seem to know what a soul actually does

[ripe harbor]

like I could buy UT Toriel and Asgore as living 100+ years. But I think DR Asgore is just in his 40s or 50s

[inland hare]

just that everyone has it

[ripe harbor]

yeah and no distinction is really made between human and monster souls except when it involves us, our soul

I don't think Determination as the physical substance exists in DR, or at least theres no evidence of that.

the Light and Dark stuff is what you got instead

[merry arrow]

We know that Monsters still turn to dust when they die

And I vaguely remember an npc (I think when you knock on one of the appartment doors) asking Kris what it's like to be full of blood

But we also know Susie bleeds so idk

[lusty cypress]

I think made of blood was the question

Since monsters turn to dust

But humans are meat

[timber widget]

Susie's apparently very familiar with blood too, offering a solution for cleaning bloodstains, coloring her threats with blood references, and consuming bloody media

[inland hare]

monsters turn to dust but also bleed I think

[timber widget]

Possible! As with magic being real like in UT after ch 1, We Just Dont Know

[dense cargo]

But then doesn't the "made of blood" question not make sense?

[inland hare]

Well vampires bleed when cut but also get dusted when they die

In a lot of media

[ripe harbor]

uh oh

[merry arrow]

She did suggest hot water to clean blood, which is not what you're supposed to do (might be lack of knowledge on Toby's part tho)

[rose swallow]

i wouldn't read too much into that

we know she's someone with a tendency to get into fights who's mostly had to fend for herself

[vocal elbow]

Didn't she suggest vinegar and water?

[merry arrow]

Hot water specifically

You should use cold water

I'm just gonna assume it's a minor error and not read into it

[analog burrow]

Revelation 8:10-11 moment

[south flume]

https://youtu.be/Uo9_E6bAIjM?si=QyOPOeYyhRSqMQmf

[ripe harbor]

when the Worm is Wood!

Isn't that one also associated with Satan / Lucifer?

looks like later authors liked pulling the name for a demon, not necessarily related to the Big One

also I realized this earlier

the secret bosses really went "Lets all put BAaTH in our themes and not tell Jevil"

[low surge]

Jevil is such an odd one out in regards to secret bosses

[ripe harbor]

consequence of being written and designed much earlier probably

he's even got a weaker thematic link than Gerson-Spamton-MANTLE, who are all more focused on "Who are you?" as a question

Jevil doesn't really springboard from the general inevitability of fate to the individual like the rest

[wind sinew]

Wormwood! I love Wormwood, number 1 meteor in religion

[low surge]

Spamton has been relevant in every chapter but 1 somehow, meanwhile Jevil too busy napping in Kris’ pocket

[ripe harbor]

what'd spamton do in 4

I guess the Mikes, maybe?

[low surge]

Mostly Mike stuff yeah. Like not directly but he’s had those ties

I do wonder if there is an actual Mike

[ripe harbor]

every day that passes I get a little more -pilled about it all

Mike room's just crawling with the Thing

and once the room stops being the "Mike" room, the demon-face Friend reference leaves too

I guess it kind of depends what you even use "Mike" to mean. was probably Phone.

[dense cargo]

At least Jevil will always be able to boast having the harder fight.

[ripe harbor]

Its not like it doesn't lurk around Tenna's stage at time dropping props around

[dense cargo]

But doesn't FRIEND keep showing up in the minigames afterwards?

[ripe harbor]

yeah, in Battat specifically

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dense cargo]

It really is funny how much speculation can exist around a character without a single line of text about them

[ripe harbor]

Mike could be a collective hallucination shared between Tenna and Spamton thats been sublimated into yaoi-yearning. Or it might be a giant microphone whos not very talkative, but opinionated.

Or it might be a cat-demon.

and only that last one is relevant to it showing up again

but no matter what's Mike or not that mike room is filled with Friend. To the brim.

Thinking about how that room's going to feel in years, or once the whole game's out kind of makes it seem more connected?

[dense cargo]

So do you think FRIEND could be Mike?

Because I still think Mike will never be brought up again, just to complete the joke

[ripe harbor]

¯_(ツ)_/¯
Depends on what Spamton means by Mike, and what Tenna means by "Mike hasn't acted the same since [Spamton] left"

cause none of the Mike Trio knows Spamton

so its either

• Tenna's in denial (he does it pretty often)
• The Real Mic was actually Spamton's friend (thats kinda funny)
• idk. its that cat?

[dense cargo]

My hunch is that with the way Toby parodied Mike theories during the chapter, he probably won't make a big reveal of Mike being the mysterious smiling cat who is clearly important somehow.

[ripe harbor]

probably true- though he did absolutely fill the entire Mike room with references to it!

[dense cargo]

In fact, FRIEND being there might be the only part of the Mike room events to have any future plot relevance

[ripe harbor]

gives me conniptions

its a masterful theorybait

[dense cargo]

But that might just be because people thought Mike was FRIEND, no?

[ripe harbor]

Its all a big joke except its still filled with a million connections to tie to "Mike" because its the Mike room, and its filled with That Thing

[ripe harbor]

but how would that read to someone not theory-rotted?

[dense cargo]

The same as all the other jokes about Mike theories

[ripe harbor]

Or in a few years, when the game releases for real and new players join in?

[low surge]

Toby Fox theorybaiting us

[dense cargo]

Like, the Friend Inside Me jokes will read weird too in the future

[ripe harbor]

but the friend inside me is a gangster in a cowboy hat and a one off mention, the Friend stuff in that room is like 70% of its content

the first mention of Mike is when you ask Spamton about "Friends"

he mentions either "Mike" or "Friend(s)" depending on if you beat him with violence or pacifism

Tenna doesn't know about 'Mike' according to Spamton, and Tenna himself doesn't know about any of the phone buisness.

its all very

though, I think a point against it is that Spamton is pretty much uniformly positive about Mike, and maybe not so much about his benefactor

[ripe harbor]

(depending on what the 'It' thats 'coming for him' in the lyrics to Big Shot is)

[dense cargo]

I don't know, I get where you're coming from, but I think it's just really had to say right now. Everything in the Mike room points towards it not needing to be taken seriously, except for FRIEND being there. What that says about it, I honestly don't know.

[vocal elbow]

Even gave the theorists the perfect avatar.

[dense cargo]

Also, if Mike is the cat, what is that giant microphone then?

The joke only works if you think it's Mike

[ripe harbor]

the state of Deltarune theories rn are such that I met a guy who was sure Mike = , but didn't know about the phone stuff.
While I was sure Phone = , but didn't buy that Mike was more than a joke. And both of us just went "Yknow fair enough."

I don't think the question of who Mike is suuuper matters, tbh

If it is friend, we'll probably learn more anyway later. And its name is probably not mike?

^ but then again the Mike room does turn into the Yellow and Pink Cat Minigame room after you're done with the Mike fight.

I'll just at it & not worry about the whole thing

Its funny because before the whole affair I always thought Mike was just a bit. The room made it more suspicious for me.

[loud fulcrum]

I fucked up and missed Mike because I gave Tenna immediately to Mettaton(?) before I went to the Dark World

Well, missed Tenna in the Dark World as well

[vocal elbow]

That doesn't lock you out of the Mike room.

You can't really miss it

[loud fulcrum]

Oh really? I must not have been paying attention, I didn't really see any TV world related stuff in the Chapter 4 castle town other than the new recruited Darkners

[dense cargo]

Have you gone in the TV Studio building?

[loud fulcrum]

I am now unsure

All the more reason to do a second playthrough, I guess!

[dense cargo]

You can also just go back to the file you finished ch 4 in

[loud fulcrum]

True!

[vocal elbow]

Yeah if you've cleared the chapter and reload like pre-Titan fight a way back to Castle Town opens up. Even gives you the code for the Mike room.

[dense cargo]

It's the "intended" way to get the code

[low surge]

First time playing I didn’t even know Tenna showed up in the dark world I just wandered around and immediately gave him to Mettaton

[hidden pivot]

https://bsky.app/profile/undertale.wiki/post/3luqgztnyyc2g

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-# tobyfox (@tobyfox.undertale.com)
DELTARUNE patch 1.03 was released

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[low surge]

What did Ribbick mean by this

[hidden pivot]

Same thing as you maybe?

[low surge]

Rabbick lines don’t seem to refer to anyone specifically, maybe themselves? But any time I see lost and girl near each other alarm bells start going off. Lost girl and crying boy

[dense cargo]

Well we already have a crying (fluffy) boy, don't we?

[low surge]

Potentially, though it seems odd evoking (implicitly) Dess but also Ralsei when there isn’t a strong connection between the two. That and the “smelly” part make me think maybe Asriel (the pizza body spray?)

Just more weird shit

Toby why do you do this

[dense cargo]

I dunno, the "boy" and "girl" stuff in general is just playing on the Rabbick thing right?

[low surge]

Yeah, but those last two lines really don’t line up with either Ribbick or Rabbicks clean/dirty thing

And apparently the lost girl line remains entirely in English in the Japanese translation

[dense cargo]

No of course, but the "stinky" one does

[low surge]

Yeah that one was a reach I’ll admit lol

[dense cargo]

I also don't know that Asriel is "untrimmed" in any way that we know (though I have seen people give him a beard)

Then again, neither is Ralsei

[low surge]

Maybe it’s only those last two lines that mean anything. I mean the “girl” lines I feel can apply to Dess fairly easily, the “boy” lines not so much

[dense cargo]

Mhm

The thing is, most of them don't match Ralsei, and we don't know much about Asriel's present personality

[low surge]

This clearly means Ribbick is referring to none other than Jockington. Smelly? Sweat. Poorly trimmed? The beard.

[dense cargo]

checks out

[lusty cypress]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWfrArI_fYE
Old man Gerson

[lusty cypress]

Oh my

[lusty cypress]

The friday night funkin one was so confusing

[ripe harbor]

this line isn't translated in japanese btw

which could mean anything

[dense cargo]

The boy line is though?

[ripe harbor]

yeah looks like it

[golden haven]

Whose the dr guy who says YOURE TAKING TOO LONG again

Its gerson right

[ripe harbor]

Jackenstein

^ this thing

[vocal elbow]

Baby

[rose swallow]

giving the fan base that voice line was certainly a choice

[golden haven]

Isee

I got invaded in Dark souls 2 by some guy with that name (YTTL) and they hammered me

With a hammer

A big hammer

[tidal fox]

The Jackenstein fight is such a shitpost

[golden haven]

So i was confused

[ripe harbor]

were you taking too long?

you might've deserved it if so tbh

[golden haven]

Lmao

I was busy farming pyromancy spells from the fire lizards in an early game area

People keep invading me while im doing peaceful item grinds its funny

[ripe harbor]

oh I love those guys. top tier faces in the souls series

[golden haven]

Love em

[inland hare]

YOUR TAKING TOO LONG

[low surge]

THIS [PUSSY.wav] IS NAMED [Hot Singles In Your Area] LOOK HIM UP ON YOUR SCHOOL [Chromebook Intel Celeron $181.00]

[low surge]

Yea. I think the boy line is probably less relevant (but still it’s so out of line with the other bits I feel like it’s not unimportant) but the girl line is. From what I’ve been told Toby keeps certain things that either don’t translate well or are significant in English.

[foggy python]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7osSNrquTGg

i haven't watched through it yet but

i can really appreciate the sheer fucking talent toby has to have two deltarune drops

and both of them spawn a wave of "what if susie and kris were in different pieces of media based on a Specific Moment"

BRC MENTION IM WINNING

oh holy shit all the credit is in the description too

[restive comet]

https://youtu.be/tezbd2Lre6U?si=EEoMFJ9p8Z0UUf_b

Got one here too

[foggy python]

slourmp

[strange cloud]

I believe in Krusielle

I believe it will be real

The rouxl’s throuple foreshadowing will pay off

[foggy python]

they work

so fucking well together

[ripe harbor]

I cant believe in Krusielle longterm on account of the Sword of Damocles

but I believe in their beliefs

[foggy python]

they can be doomed yuri if they want to

[ripe harbor]

maybe that enhances the value yeah

like a limited time sort of thing. special event yuri

[strange cloud]

Nah

I believe in meant to be doomed but persists anyway yuri

The prophecy will not stop them

They will date

And kiss

[foggy python]

i cannot wait for ch7 susie to pull some tengen toppa shit and beat up the prophecy in a fist fight

[ripe harbor]

15% she ends up a goner

Her and Noelle both making it out together? long odds

but fuck it we ball

[foggy python]

15% TP and FinalHeal will purify the titan wave

[strange cloud]

Nah, I know a lot of people are feeling this game will have a downer ending

But I really can’t see it

Idk, it just doesn’t feel tobycore as horrible as that word is

Like it’ll probably be bitter sweet but I don’t think it’ll be, Noelle or Susie are dead at the end sad

[foggy python]

bittersweet

as in like. the world forever changed and a lot of shit lost but we got each other type of ending im feelin

[strange cloud]

Yah

aka where yuri THRIVES

[foggy python]

and we need to get that FUCKING

BLUE BONEY MOTHERFUCKER

BACK IN UNDERTALE

[strange cloud]

Nah

You’ll be crying when he’s banished to undertale

I can assure it

[ripe harbor]

the only way to prevent the prophecy: Put on the best damn talent show Hometown's ever seen

[strange cloud]

Lol

[ripe harbor]

I think Noelle is probably at least going to have some tragedy - I don't think that girl is getting unlost

[foggy python]

shes gonna have to give up dess

[ripe harbor]

shes at least probably not getting her sister back? Its really hard to predict late game deltarune imo

[foggy python]

and uhhhhhh

[ripe harbor]

yeah and thats a little sad

[foggy python]

weird route noelle fucking dies

[strange cloud]

Oh yah weird route is it’s own thing

That’s gonna be bleak

[ripe harbor]

normal route you might have to face off against her, if she does an Angel-y stuff there

[strange cloud]

But also like, you can just not do it

For yuri

[ripe harbor]

I think this is mostly based on what people consider downer tbh

I think you could have a happy ending where Susie straight up dies

obviously not the best sort of ending

[strange cloud]

I disagree tbh

[ripe harbor]

but it would depend on how its written, how her character takes it, the heroics done and the consequences

[strange cloud]

Any of the main cast, Kris, Susie, Ralsei or Noelle dying would be a way more sad ending then I think the normal route will have

Like, if the prophecy demands a sacrifice of any of the heroes, I don’t think it’ll be about that sacrificing happening

[ripe harbor]

the existence of the weird route has me skeptical the absolute text of the prophecy will be averted in normal gameplay

(but it might do the Tenna thing where the consequences change)

[strange cloud]

Maybe

[inland hare]

I think the text cannot be averted

but it can be reinterpreted

[ripe harbor]

Genocide was a 'to see what would happen' motivation, but Weird Route is very much 'to seek freedom beyond fate'

[strange cloud]

I mean I feel like that’s a given

The Angel prophecy in undertale already follows that

[inland hare]

yeah

two alternate readings of the same words

[strange cloud]

Clearing the underground of monsters either by letting them out, or by killing them all

[inland hare]

is basically the pacifist vs genocide route of UT

[ripe harbor]

if you just sidestepped fate regardless, it removes some of the bite and motivation to pursue weird route

[inland hare]

see

my point against that is

players need 0 motivation to pursue weird route

they'll do it anyways

[strange cloud]

Thing is, I feel like if whatever was read by Susie caused her to react like that, it’s probably way more explicit then the Angel prophecy is

[inland hare]

because it is the instict of the player to seek out secrets

because it is hidden, they must do it

no other rationale is necessary

[ripe harbor]

the game at least does treat it as breaking the mold compared to a normal playthrough

though it could be subverted later, its really set up now the exact opposite way

[inland hare]

yeah i'm just saying basically

you can have people be called stupid doodoo farts for doing something

[strange cloud]

Also, this is just me, but, when the prophecy glass was destroyed it respawned later for Ralsei to say “it’ll still happen”

However that doesn’t happen with the last prophecy when Susie breaks it

I’m just saying

[inland hare]

and they'll just do it

[ripe harbor]

I think the more important part to me is it removes more of the meaning behind the weird route without gaining enough to make it worthwhile

it would make the whole thing seem a bit, whatever?

[strange cloud]

I think it depends tbh, I do think the weird route will not subvert the prophecy, not that you won’t try anyway

But also, it kinda depends on chapter 5

[inland hare]

yeah that's how I feel

[strange cloud]

Like, that’s the make or break chapter for how to interpret the weird route

[inland hare]

weird route won't subvert the prophecy

[strange cloud]

Like, clearly making Noelle stronger is the main idea

[inland hare]

noelle must be made stronger for... some specific reason

[strange cloud]

You’re breaking the game in order to make Noelle powerful, distant, and completely subservient under the guise of protecting her

To break the prophecy is a pretty good reason why

[ripe harbor]

(this is one of those Swords of Damocles around the ship for me)

[strange cloud]

However, I don’t think it’ll work

Same reason as undertale’s genocide still enacts the Angel prophecy

It doesn’t matter how strong you are, you’re still bound to narrative, to a game

[ripe harbor]

something about Noelle specifically and Noelle getting stronger / getting more tied to the player specifically could break the plot

[foggy python]

LOVE and EXP is probably like @ everyone'd to the world and then sans gets booted after

[inland hare]

yeah

[strange cloud]

You can’t do anything not predetermined

[inland hare]

you only have freedom insofar as what the game lets you

even the weird route is predetermined and a narrow path

[ripe harbor]

I think this was already done well enough within chapter 2's weird route, even without any extra bits

[inland hare]

and honestly, even a narrower path

compared to normal route

[strange cloud]

What do you mean?

[ripe harbor]

its the central conflict of Spamton's plotline with the neo body, but more specifically explored within weird route

Power isn't analogous to freedom

[strange cloud]

Ohhh yah

Spamton’s whole deal of failing to get freedom even as he gets the strongest body

[ripe harbor]

It'd still work if the whole route does that

[strange cloud]

Yah I see what you mean

[ripe harbor]

but I'd want more ideas explored tbh

[strange cloud]

Fair

It really does depend on chapter 5 though

You can really feel that chapter 3/4 were meant to release with chapter 5

[ripe harbor]

I like the idea that it gets you a very narrow subset of what you want at horrendous, and not really worth it costs

[strange cloud]

Because so much of the discourse feels like we’re so close to conclusions

We’re just an inch away from proper answers

[ripe harbor]

90% of theorists quit right before it All Makes Sense get it twisted

[strange cloud]

If anything, I could imagine the difference may be Dess? Like, idk if there’s one person Noelle probably wishes things went differently with, it’s her

Finding her could be tied to the weird route

[ripe harbor]

I think part of the metatext about Weird Route is going to be the player trying to move into an authorial role

[strange cloud]

But also, that’s just massive speculation

I wouldn’t make a bet on it

[ripe harbor]

re-writing the plot and character dynamics to gain control

[strange cloud]

Unrelated but I’d kill to watch Northernlion play Deltarune

[strange cloud]

Oh yah, I definitely feel that one

[ripe harbor]

he would NOT be pressing A on random objects enough unfortunately

[strange cloud]

With Kris and Noelle especially

[strange cloud]

That’s true, he doesn’t have that flavor text spirit in him

[ripe harbor]

speedreads half the text and then gets into an argument with chat about "Woke Grok"

for the rest of the stream

[strange cloud]

LOL

[strange cloud]

But yah, the weird route seemingly making Kris even more subservient to you and Noelle

Like, Kris in the weird route is seemingly, becoming a self insert

Unable to say anything but basic commands

[low surge]

We WILL maintain the agenda at all costs

[strange cloud]

Ralsei can be there too he deserves good things

[ripe harbor]

I think Ralsei + Kris + Berdly could make some sort of dreadful little polycule has anyone cooked with that yet

[zenith iron]

no but I'm grabbing that and running with it

holy shit

[ripe harbor]

Berdly spilling in like chemical X in the powerpuff girls

[strange cloud]

Kraldly is maybe the most evil polycule

[ripe harbor]

I have some sort of disease where I don't even like Berdly but think Krerdly is funny and kind of spiritually true

[strange cloud]

Berdly needs to join the fun gang because we need his terrible vibes

[ripe harbor]

teams up with Green Pippin to make Castle Town's first & last & worst podcast

[strange cloud]

It’d be peak

[zenith iron]

I prefer the ship name "Krispy Chicken" for kris x the berd

[strange cloud]

Unironically imagine Noelle and Berdly getting rooms in castle town it’d be kinda peak

[ripe harbor]

I like Kerdly and Krerdly because they sound kind of bad and thus fit the ship

[ripe harbor]

but the pun does put in work

[ripe harbor]

I wonder how much can be shoved in Ralsei's room by the end

[strange cloud]

Hopefully a lot

[ripe harbor]

you can already grab like 4 things?

[strange cloud]

Yah, the plushie, the ice-e pillow, the ladder and the couch cushion

Man,

Ralsei’s room may be terrible

Chatroom I don’t think Susie knows interior decoration

[ripe harbor]

Darkners really live in apartments like this and don't see any issue smh

[ripe harbor]

(||@diegomiyro on twitter||)

paying Krusielle tax

[strange cloud]

Noelle absolutely does tag Kris and Susie with random images with “us”

[analog burrow]

also

they patched the [Z] 😭

[strange cloud]

The game is bad now

[analog burrow]

lightner… i remember you’re [Z]

[low surge]

What’s another to the polycule, really

[low surge]

It’s over

[inland hare]

Kris and Noelle are just platonic partners ofc

Noelle just happens to have a picture of them in her room

Pens for them to take

Gifts from them hung up around the room

[low surge]

A cactus named after them

Constantly reminisces over all their misadventures as children

[rose swallow]

so why don't dark fountains constantly pop up on accident

all you do is focus your will on what you want and stab the ground

what if a student really wants to improve their grades and slams their pencil against the floor while studying

[lethal ferry]

maybe part of the requirements is the will to specifically make a dark fountain?

[low surge]

I’d imagine so, it’s not just willing something in general I imagine

It’s got to have a degree of intentionality to it

[sharp lodge]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1m8h6vc/from_one_knife_to_another_ratbuchet/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[low surge]

This dialogue from Shuttah always stuck out as weird to me. From the moment I started chapter 3 I was immediately wondering why the purple cliffs were there as well. Like does this mean every dark world starts as the purple cliffs we see in chapters 1 and 3? I can’t really think of why those two worlds would share a common feature like that. And that the TV World was built by Tenna, does that mean each dark world starts as cliffs and is built?

[low surge]

I love the Chara and Frisk college stuff

[sharp lodge]

I think the purple cliffs is the living room furniture
Cause shuttah says they're couch cliffs

[low surge]

Ain’t no fuckin way

[inland hare]

chara absolutely would carry illegal knives on their person

take off their sweater and we'll find a full tactical rig with pouches full of knives

[lusty cypress]

Deltarune final boss theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_K9GfABX7o

[ripe harbor]

its also an Undertale reference

and acts as a meta joke on UT -> DR

I think for DR the important bit is probably "The purple worlds, you think they give you the creeps. Tsk.... you have seen naught but that tempered by light"

The darkest dark worlds are probably going to look more like those purple cliffs

Kris house with the TV off, the supply closet, probably the Shelter

also I love Shuttah

awesome camerathing

[low surge]

I didn’t realize they were a camera at first

[ripe harbor]

I think it's management cables?

[analog burrow]

Oh that makes sense too

And if they are cameras, they’re probably the disposable kind since there’s multiple shuttahs

[ripe harbor]

whenever I see a UTDR artist and then their age is 15 or 16 its SCARY

you were a baby when chapter 2 came out thats crazy

you weren't even real when survey_program did!

[ripe harbor]

but the kids are bringing good bits

[strange cloud]

A mere babe when undertale released

[foggy python]

so young..

https://www.tumblr.com/weirdmageddon/787740712825405440/huh-yeah-keep-an-eye-on-this-thank-you-user

go on peter… fuck off!

huh. yeah. keep an eye on this. thank you user couchhumper12

-# #deltarune #deltarune theory #deltarune meta #investing in the original tweet having under 10k likes

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I'm not sure if they're putting the cart before the horse on this but it's interesting as i do need some explanation to why the floating fraud is so passive

[ripe harbor]

seems workable so far

my current thoughts on the TRK and the conspiracy are that they are trying to mold the heroes or the soul in a specific way, or increase the strength of one or the other

Every chapter the Soul gets better at producing light

this could be the general goal

Noelle's the character as well who outwardly misses Dess the most

[inland hare]

Notably you can cast Light no matter you are on the weird route or not

Whatever light is it’s not necessarily Good

[ripe harbor]

Extra Dark Shelter where the Knight operates + Character with an implied main role later and Angel symbolism + Increasing power of the Soul to pierce and seal darkness

like its all speculative, but "The Angel's Heaven is going to involve Noelle's desire to see Dess" fits

[inland hare]

Lots of angel candidates

Could be you, Noelle, or even gaster

[ripe harbor]

a human, a monster, a □□□□□□ from the dark

[inland hare]

I’m still thinking about that mural from Undertale art book

Featuring a dragon battling an angel with three heads

[ripe harbor]

Noelle having a strong connection to the Angel's Heaven part of the prophecy also explains why the Weird Route is entirely centered on your influence with her

[inland hare]

Angel has a strong association with the number 3

I think

[ripe harbor]

and not just an angel

[inland hare]

Or maybe 4?

[ripe harbor]

theres the deltarune stuff around it

the triangles and circle, at least

[inland hare]

Deltarune is supposedly the symbol of the angel

So this is probably The Angel

[ripe harbor]

Ralsei's home decor skills lightly implies the triangles are the heroes

but the symbol is just everywhere

I saw a convincing argument that the roaring knight has it in its design

[inland hare]

Which means that the image that Susie saw might be something like this

A horned creature with wings made of snakes

Well

A horned creature with wings and a wing dress made of snakes

Which means we gotta kill jockington to turn him into a dress

[ripe harbor]

spin his beard into threads to weave holy armor

[inland hare]

Fine snakeskin

[ripe harbor]

but yeah I would not be surprised if Noelle and Susie have. issues, later on.

in their relationship

[inland hare]

Anyways I’m 99% sure somebody is gonna go god of hyperdeath mode sooner or later in this game

Speaking of did you notice that god of hyperdeath Asriel has stylistic similarities to the roaring knight

[ripe harbor]

the final move, right?

[inland hare]

No it’s design in general

[ripe harbor]

both are kinda shaped like the Deltarune as well (more blatant for Asriel)

[inland hare]

Black armor, wide pauldron, legs that culminate in a sharp point and kept together

A core that pulses with black and white powrt

Arms with a hole in it

[ripe harbor]

true

[inland hare]

Not saying Asriel is roaring knight but probably the similarity is intentional

[ripe harbor]

I think quite a bit of that fight touches on stuff thats taken center stage in Deltarune

"Hopes and Dreams" and all that

[inland hare]

Yeah

[ripe harbor]

its like how Determination as a word / concept appears in both stories, but is clearly more important in one

I think Hopes and Dreams are the inverse

[inland hare]

DT’s importance hasn’t been raised too much yet in deltarune

Which I find

Curious

But also makes sense

DT is the power to choose

Deltarune pretends as if you don’t have that power

[ripe harbor]

Its used as a word when Queen describes how Dark Fountains are made, but I don't even think its using the same rules as UT

[inland hare]

It’s probably still similar

[ripe harbor]

UT its a literal physical substance produced by souls, with humans getting more of that juice

[inland hare]

DT I think is fundamentally the power of Choice

“To determine what the future is”

Rather than actually determination the emotion

[ripe harbor]

I think DR is looking at that from another angle, though

where

in UT its a power fantasy

but whos power to determine the future?

Choice and control as zero-sum

[inland hare]

Yeah

[ripe harbor]

To have the ability to determine strips agency from the people you determine for

[inland hare]

More someone chooses less others choice matters

In deltarune you get hit with that

Wherein Susie’s choices often override yours

[ripe harbor]

its often mutually frustrating, too

Kris would prefer the Soul stopped doing its own thing, players would probably prefer Kris stopped acting so antagonistic towards us

[inland hare]

And yet they keep shoving us back into their chest

For… some reason

[ripe harbor]

but I also don't think UT's rules for Determination particularly apply - its something all Lightner's have, and the only time we see people open fountains we aren't involved at all. Its unclear if it has any connection to the Soul.

[inland hare]

Susie definitely has DT too

Given her eyes flash red just before opening a dark world

Even Berdly could do it

[ripe harbor]

its something all Lightners possess

[inland hare]

Yeah

Which is curious

[ripe harbor]

in a literal read of DR

its definition of Determination seems to be

"The ability to call forth Darkness"

[inland hare]

Kris still might have more DT than average tbh

[ripe harbor]

Fountains are often described in an interesting way where they were pulled from the earth, and they clearly flow from somewhere

[inland hare]

Given their eyes are always red

With or without us

[ripe harbor]

given that Determination calls forth fountains, and the Soul is what seals them

It seems like they might even be slightly opposing

[inland hare]

It just seems like they are feeding fountains to us

[ripe harbor]

I think that could also be true

the soul does appear for the first time in the Spooky Darkness Image_Depths place

I don't know if light and darkness are exactly opposing, or two parts to a whole

but the Soul's power, imo, doesn't seem to be Determination

which is probably why the save points go out of their way to never call it such

I've been thinking about how generative Darkness is

its always described or presented in ways related to raw creation and birth

[inland hare]

Well maybe chara already took our determination who knows

[ripe harbor]

Fountains erupt forth, they flow constantly, they turn rooms into worlds and give life to the inanimate.
They roar, they fill the air with noise and slithering serpents

which makes Light seem like a distinguishing force?

Something that takes this endless potential and sets it in order

[inland hare]

Yeah

[ripe harbor]

Turns noise and static and roaring into music notes, hymns

I don't know exactly how I'd split it from Determination as "ability to choose"

but Light seems like ability to define?

Or to add 'weight' to things, like when you boost Rude Buster or Heal?

[formal valley]

Just realized something about the chapter 4 weird route

In the hospital there is a bead toy right
And if you snowgrave Birdly a blue bead gets broken off of it

In the chapter 4 weird route, Kris’s title gets changed to dark bead
“Broken off but still locked”

[quiet crypt]

Light seems to be "reality" in a sense - which is why the Soul is so associated with it, it is more "real" than anything else.

[ripe harbor]

its interesting because its almost entirely decoupled from substance

its reality, but its not existence, you get me?

[inland hare]

reminds me of carrot's sword from discworld

a sword that is so unmagical

that it can cut through everything that exists

because everything in discworld is at least somewhat magic

so a truly unmagical sword is more real than anything else that exists

and so it can cut anything else apart

[golden haven]

what's more impressing
pulling a sword out of a stone
or putting a sword into it?

[ruby garnet]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1leevzf/my_hypothetical_dark_world_papyrus_design/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[loud fulcrum]

Kris dripped out

[inland hare]

papyrus is a forgettable man

i think i'm increasingly on the camp that Egg man is probably Papyrus

[sage needle]

I literally don't know how I would feel if Papyrus was the eggman

[dense cargo]

How could that be, if the Egg man is forgotten, and Papyrus clearly isn't?

[inland hare]

Papyrus is the forgettable man

his Check description in undertale reads: "Forgettable"

[dense cargo]

But Sans clearly hasn't forgotten him, unless he has some other brother we've yet to meet

Also, how would Papyrus relate to Kris' past if he and Sans just moved into town?

[inland hare]

honestly I feel like Eggman might be speaking to us more than speaking to Kris sometimes

[dense cargo]

But the chapter 4 scene is almost certainly about Kris

[strange cloud]

Yah it’s one of the few moments that actually makes a distinction in the narration of you vs Kris

[low surge]

Potential tie in to ice? Ice has this connection to stagnation, and if light is order and definition you could argue the lighter it is, the more certain and thus unchanging it is. Which just further ties into Noelle/holy/angel/snowgrave shit

[sharp lodge]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1m95xf7/peak_smash_fighting_bros_part_2_art_by_heartbreak/

I have no words for how sick this is

[ripe harbor]

hidden in the mike room.....

evidence mounts.......

my goat can't be this glooby 💔 guess you shouldn't believe everything you see on TV

[low surge]

https://tenor.com/view/glooby-it's-peak-it's-glooby-deltarune-spamton-gif-8001499328771863654

[strange cloud]

Everyone check Toby’s Twitter now

[vocal elbow]

https://memories.undertale.com/

[low surge]

Yo shit what the fuck

[lethal ferry]

i fucking made a typo

[sage needle]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[amber jolt]

god I'm getting emotional at all of this

10 years

godddd

[low surge]

Crazy to think I was a sophomore in high school when it came out

Feels like another lifetime

[foggy python]

10 years..

[analog burrow]

How many people do you think are gonna end up using smiling Napstablook as their pic (I am one of them)

[low surge]

So called free thinkers

[low surge]

Trying and failing miserably at drawing my dumbass Spamtonyasu pfp

[wheat adder]

I'm on mobile and getting ready for work so couldn't draw something

[wheat adder]

I kinda want to draw it as a lil possum later but I'd feel guilty submitting a second one

[low surge]

wow!

[ripe harbor]

^me whenever I draw anything

[low surge]

holy crap im undertale!!!!!!

[strange cloud]

Hey Lois, this reminds me of the time I fell in the underground!

[low surge]

Peeetah you can’t just kill all the monsters petah

[wheat adder]

https://bsky.app/profile/unicouniuni3.bsky.social/post/3luunxfyz7s2z

I'm Uni :3 (@unicouniuni3.bsky.social)

Happy Undertale anniversary. Please enjoy Ralsei Uni

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Aaaaaaaaaaa

dies of cute

I know what I must do

Screaming possum Ralsei
Or maybe a screaming possum Susie?

https://youtu.be/T_GzSwBdnhM?si=0d0EPKyIzsfmLZ8R

Oh my fucking god lmao

[wheat adder]

Oh there's a button to cancel your Undertale memories thingy
Time to update one with a drawing

[lusty cypress]

Burgerpants and Pizzapants sprite ranking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFjKv4Xcqhc

[wheat adder]

I'm an artiste

[strange cloud]

Beautiful

[wheat adder]

Susie possum proved too hard so I made a Ralsei possum

[lusty cypress]

Weird route fan song with vocals
||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E65t1GVaWOg||

[ripe harbor]

see this is that bullshit I'm talking about

[sour mesa]

hmmmmmmmmm

[lusty cypress]

So mike is friend

And spamton and tenna think him nice

[low surge]

What if FRIEND turns out to be a really chill guy

[dense cargo]

mmm

Still leaves me puzzled as to what that microphone was about then, apart from a one-off joke.

[ripe harbor]

I think the Shadow Mantle Holder was probably Friend

that seems more important

Its a frontrunner for Phone Guy, and transitively picks up a lot of weight for being the "Strange Someone"

what would friend being Mike even mean. What does Mike do.

[dense cargo]

So do we think Friend can actually be in several places at once in the "real world", like they do in the minigames and sword route?

[ripe harbor]

hmmmm

the Friendogeny might imply yes?

Endogeny in UT forms from a bunch of scattered bits, and is an uncertain number of dogs at once

I think its more likely that it can just flow through shadows at will though

[dense cargo]

What indicates that Shadow Mantle Holder is FRIEND, again?

[vocal elbow]

The adds I guess?

[ripe harbor]

Theres a strong implication that 'someone' is back there with you, who dropped off the OddController - with its distinctive Pink and Yellow buttons. Checking a nearby vending machine holds 'Smile' in stock, where a purchase has it actively smile at you. With the Mantle Holder beat, the smile is 'sold out'.

The Shelter Key you pick up during the game also changes text colors from Pink to Yellow

and there are little friendies in the fight itself, along with the Shadow Mantle Holder able to 'see' in the dark - the only eyes in the minigame past that point are Friend's

[dense cargo]

But hasn't the Pink and Gold theme so far appeared outside of just the connection to Friend?

[ripe harbor]

mostly I just don't think theres anyone else as strong as it

idk

[ripe harbor]

we'll need to see chapter 5

Chapter 2 Spamton connects to the first time you see friend, and is what is almost certainly it's elemental pair: Puppet / Cat

pink and yellow cats also show up a few other times

and so far it's kinda the biggest culprit?

[ripe harbor]

Like, a lot of fanart draws the shadow mantle holder as the thing you fight - but thats literally the shadow mantle

if its not Friend there is legit no design for it

thats been shown in game yet

by the end of the fight the mantle even stops having its mouth appear

[dense cargo]

It's gotta be either the cat or a new, as of yet unseen character. I just think it summoning Friends during the fight is not what would be done if that's who it secretly was? But that's just a feeling.

[ripe harbor]

even as the holder 'talks' to you

[ripe harbor]

yeah, a new character is a possibility

[dense cargo]

Because I do agree that what we see during the fight is just the Shadow Mantle being puppeted

[ripe harbor]

but I believe the vending machine smile / controller was friend, and two invisible unnammed shadow entities would give me a headache for now

so I just collapse them

[dense cargo]

And now that I say that, Cat/Puppet comes to mind

[low surge]

I kinda like ERAM being their own guy, but I feel like that may be making too many mysterious secondary bad guys

[dense cargo]

It does feel like it would be harder to give a satisfying pay-off to so many mystery characters

[ripe harbor]

the game is also associated with the Weird Route, and the Shadow Mantle Holder has 'work to do', both things that apply to Friend - maybe

[low surge]

Though an anti FUN gang that’s like ERAM, the Knight, the Vessel, and FRIEND is pretty cool

[ripe harbor]

depends on how connected it was to Spamton, and depends on if its dropping shadow crystals off (though it shows up and watches you regardless)

A lot of pre-chapter 3+4 Gaster stuff seems like it might be more Friend related, now

or related to darkness in general

so theres a bit of shuffling going on between the mystery box characters

[dense cargo]

The Lancer Hate Club

[ripe harbor]

the Sheesh Squad

[ripe harbor]

the one that really has me 👀 is that, of all of them, Friend is the thing most associated with smiling & laughing

[dense cargo]

Yeah, don't see many people claiming the mysterious provider of the Shadow Crystals is Gaster anymore

[ripe harbor]

given Entry Number 17 plays "mus_smile" in the background, which is re-used for Garbage Noise and the Bunker / Basement,

and is a mirrored and slowed down laughter sound effect, one similar to face.ogg - the friend laugh

its

its very

[dense cargo]

Tbf, Gaster does have some associations with smiling

[ripe harbor]

it runs into a causative issue

does Mystery Man and the Gaster Blasters have a huge smile as a Gaster thing, or does Gaster smile because he fell into the darkness?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dense cargo]

There is also that room with the "person with a creepy smile" in the tall grass in UT

[ripe harbor]

Its at least weaker than it was when only chapter 1+2 were out

[ripe harbor]

If whatever Friend is was conceptualized early in DRs writing, its possible it and flowey have some shared DNA

but I don't even know where to go with that idea

[dense cargo]

Piles of Asriel's dust... Asriel is FRIEND....

But yeah, there's some hard limits as to what we can figure out about this with the information we have so far

[ripe harbor]

'parallel' stories

[timber widget]

"Oh! You found that too!'

God, Toby's fed us well

[ripe harbor]

this is what I meant with the Shelter Key btw

all other text in the mantle game is white or blue

[sour mesa]

You know what this feels like, it feels like trying to decode the rose colors in Utena

[ripe harbor]

it was easier when you could just shove Gaster into anywhere there was a gap

I always asterisk'd it anyways, because I expected it would clear up later

and it probably will! but not yet!

I just have more questions!

[dense cargo]

The worst part is, I bet chapter 5 will only make things worse

[ripe harbor]

the easy question "who Knight" is mostly cleared up - the way harder to answer "what the fuck is anyones motive" didn't!

[timber widget]

The question of lightners' motives didn't even come up much until now

[ripe harbor]

honestly, I get caught up on Friend more than the Knight + Caller's general plan and motive because I think

as opaque as Friend is, theres more to pull at

why the Knight is doing all this is almost darts

[dense cargo]

Motive for our main antagonists is also something we are almost certain to get clear answers to eventually

[ripe harbor]

I think Kris is a little easier to see - they've got an emotional attachment to a promise they made, something probably Dess related, guilty

[oak grotto]

(wild long shot) Mad Mew Mew sorta fits that? (though not actually a puppet).

[timber widget]

I'm sooooooo about this "hell's tail" business too, personally

And the Darkness, and, uh, Jockington I guess

[dense cargo]

Everyone's about Jockington

[timber widget]

Why is his five-o'-clock shadow a literal shadow that itself crawls like a snake, much like the Darkness around the Titan

Grabs Toby by the scruff of his neck and shakes him

Answers!! I need them

[dense cargo]

wait what?

[timber widget]

So,

Did you see the prophecy room on ch4 stating "Jockington grows the beard"

[dense cargo]

yes

[timber widget]

During the third sanctuary, there is a hidden side path with two prophecy panes and a climbing challenge between them

[dense cargo]

yup, know the place

[ripe harbor]

(its headcanon, but I like to imagine the screen you play Mantle on as the dark world version of the mirror in Kris' house, especially because its a different room to the main game's screen + you stand up while playing it.)

(ERAM as Nightmare mirrored back at you)

[low surge]

That’s a good one

[ripe harbor]

vibe wise I get the feeling the Darkness stuff is localized

or at least

[timber widget]

If you, uh, fall in a specific spot or just enough times, idk, you end up in the alternate version of the beard room, with a philosopher there instead

[ripe harbor]

theres something in, or under hometown, or was done at the Shelter, thats the cause of all of this

[low surge]

I like the idea of Jockington being the equivalent of a biblical name like Michael or Gabriel

[timber widget]

Who says something to the effect that, the shadow will grow and grow, and slither like a snake

[ripe harbor]

yeah the darkness loves growing

"even when the clock ran back, the shadow was growing!"

[timber widget]

Mirroring a flavor text line during the Titan fight saying "The darkness slithers like a snake"

[dense cargo]

Huh. I never knew that.

[ripe harbor]

and it bursts upwards violently, it flows outward- wherever the dark is coming from is high pressure

[timber widget]

It's very out of the way

[low surge]

The goddamn beard panel is going to be essential isn’t it

[clear frost]

jockington is going to stab the earth with his beard

[low surge]

He’s gonna slide in with a beard and the roaring immediately starts won’t it

[ripe harbor]

did you see Jockington foreshadows how to beat the Titan

[timber widget]

It almost seems to me there's a high-pressure kind of darkness and a lower pressure one? Unless this is just how pressurized gases act

[low surge]

Yep

Be that dunk

[dense cargo]

He does?

[low surge]

God damnit Toby

[dense cargo]

Oh

Damn it

[ripe harbor]

depending on how later chapters play out

"To be Susie's friend is to be the World's Enemy" might be foreshadowing, too

[low surge]

Forcing me to invest in the stockingtons

[ripe harbor]

hope not!

[low surge]

If the world is against Susie, I am against the world

[ripe harbor]

It makes me wonder if theres a buildup of darkness somewhere gaining power, or the titans are going to wake up regardless given enough time

[dense cargo]

I can't believe that between him and Catti, Jockington is the one with the actual occult knowledge.

[ripe harbor]

and the Knights actions are trying to stall or power up the heroes enough

[low surge]

Catti is the internet wicca type Jockington is Alister Fucking Crowley

[timber widget]

"Beneath it grew eternal night", after all

I did wonder if the pressure of dark is always building, and if not released through occasional dark fountains, would rupture

[ripe harbor]

the wording for the roaring prophecy talks about light being subsumed by shadow, too

the wording implies it overtakes it in, idk, size? It grows 'beyond' the light and takes it into itself

wheres all this dark coming from?

[timber widget]

Oh you know

Waves hand

Beneath

[low surge]

The depths

[ripe harbor]

from the '''Ocean'''

[low surge]

The lake

Song from the sea

[ripe harbor]

on replay I noticed the sword route maze

has a bunch of video game water in it

[timber widget]

The backside of your mind

[low surge]

Robert Fox explain yourself immediately

[dense cargo]

Wait could all this Jockington stuff be related to these things I asked about a while ago?

[ripe harbor]

its easier to notice in game

[dense cargo]

They're shadows, and they're serpentine

[ripe harbor]

but the little lines shake side to side

[dense cargo]

And have no know purpose or connection to anything else

[ripe harbor]

they look straight out of Omori

[crystal shale]

I only learned yesterday that Jockington is a Goner

[sour mesa]

how does that work

[dense cargo]

How and why and what?

[low surge]

Crazy how we got a release a month ago and we’re already fully back on the brainrot train

[dense cargo]

What is with all this hot Jockington lore I apparently missed?

[low surge]

Jockington MIGHT have some goner shit going on but I feel much less confident saying that for him than the Librarh Bird

[ripe harbor]

Stockington's rising

he's still in the list of names Gaster comments on for you choosing, and is closely tied to Catti, whos also got weird stuff going on

[low surge]

Dialogue getting progressively incoherent, vaguely alluding to future events, having like 20 talk sprites that are the same, general chicanery

And of course being the only person explicitly named in the prophecy which is odd, albeit that might be a joke panel but also it might not seeing as even shit like Lancer saying Toothpaste Boy is foretold

I thought it was just a joke panel but that shit is now becoming of concern to me

[crystal shale]

Also hes one of Gaster's followers in Undertale

(Which are called Goners)

[low surge]

Nah, that the Librarby Bird

[dense cargo]

Wait which one is he?

[low surge]

Gaster Follower #1 I believe

Which is the only one to not have a corresponding regular monster to match it

[crystal shale]

Oh wait

[dense cargo]

No Library Bird's number 3

[low surge]

https://preview.redd.it/8otxevm0drv11.png?auto=webp&s=e4e226143569afee1c64ca16fe270833b94256b6

[dense cargo]

But yeah, I knew about Library Bird being a Goner already

[low surge]

Jockington is 100% Deltarune only, I think the main reason a lot of people draw the goner connection is comparing him alongside Librarby Bird who also is becoming increasingly incoherent.

Which is like how I made the connection

But otherwise they’re not very similar

And even then the incoherence of their speech isn’t the same. Librarby Bird seems to be forgetting or repeating their sentences, Jockington talks like having a stroke

[dense cargo]

Hard to say that Jockington's dialogue isn't just for comedy

[clear frost]

i. hang on.

up a ball without a court yeah no that sounds like someone horribly failing to think coherently

then of course we have this

he doesnt even have. any feasible way to do. any sports, really.

[ripe harbor]

you know the real wild Jockington take I had considering the goner stuff?

indoor sunglasses

gift of prophecy

keep it on the download....

[low surge]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-roaring-knight-deltarune-knight-true-truth-nuke-gif-18290682922439833523

[low surge]

Which is why I’m more hesitant to go all in on Gonerton. He’s clearly meant to be a silly character. He says dumb goofy shit and is good at sports he literally can’t play (handball with the 3 kids that don’t have hands). But there’s like goofy typing quirks with himbo-esque dialogue and then there’s Captain cerebrovascular ischemia talking about how She Covered In Hair Always. Maybe he’s just 100% a joke character it’s just such a genuinely strange thing.

[analog burrow]

Chapter 5 is gonna have the Last crystal boss according to Seam, right?

[sour mesa]

I strongly suspect that there will be another one, so the knight is optional even among the optional bosses

[low surge]

Yeah, I’d imagine such. Still gives players who can’t beat the knight a chance.

[ripe harbor]

give me HARDER fights tony >:)

I think it'll just be 5 so it pays off by chapter 6, which has a good chance to be the Shelter

[analog burrow]

Oh boy I can’t wait for the weird route sans equivalent

[analog burrow]

Ya, get the last crystal in chapter 5 and assemble the purecrystal in 6 is how I’m thinking it’ll play

[restive comet]

I wonder if we'll have to fight Seam for whatever he makes out of the Shadow Crystals

[low surge]

If 6 is the shelter what do you think 7 would be?

[amber jolt]

hmm....

[low surge]

Just for funsies of course

[amber jolt]

my friend has been saying that chapter 7 is gonna be like Homestuck act 6

a solid 1/3rd of the game is gonna happen there

[ripe harbor]

idk - "Angel's Heaven"?

Its literally going to be a fever dream ending idk if I can expect it coming yet

[analog burrow]

You have to beat Seam in a game of cards for the crystal

Jokes aside, I can definitely see them testing you before making the purecrystal

[ripe harbor]

I'm expecting something to nearly fully break down the distinction between "Light" and "Dark" Worlds

[low surge]

16_roaring town

[ripe harbor]

either the Roaring overtakes everything, or something (the Angel?) spreads its influence over the place and something changes as a result

I don't expect the Knight to be the final big bad

[ripe harbor]

something like this seems like what the heroes gotta fix

like thats not a good thing. Probably will be unstable or have other negatives.

[ripe harbor]

so yeah actually I think 'Hometown'(?) will be chapter 7

or the edge of reality or something

[analog burrow]

I swear if toby pulls a masked man

[ripe harbor]

5 - Flower King / Festival
6 - Shelter, perhaps Roaring happening / happens during (Truck Freak Dark World)
7 - Truck Freak Chapter. All bets off.

[analog burrow]

AT SHADOW’S EDGE, SHATTER THE TWILIGHT REVERIE

[ripe harbor]

🙂‍↕️

[analog burrow]

straight up “shattering it”. and by “it”, haha, well. let’s justr say. The Twilight Reverie

[ripe harbor]

unironically chapter 7 might take place in a situation like how Mother 3 ends

with all the needles pulled

some sort of "The world ended, but you're still here" thing

I could see it

[low surge]

I mean that’s more or less what the prophecy says, the heroes don’t banish the angels heaven until after the world has ended

Fucked up dark and light worlds bleeding into each other

[low surge]

When I’m in a vaguely foreshadowing significant seemingly unrelated events competition and my opponent is Toby Fox

“Cool mantle bro”

[analog burrow]

can’t wait to find out whatever fuckass chapter 5 spoilers Toby made during this stream

[low surge]

Toby Fox starting all his sentences with specific words to spell out a secret

[gilded canopy]

that F O U L M U R D E R kinda madness

Maximize the Kirkbride caffeine high and design exclusively for the kabbalist-brained sacred number mathematician that lives in your head

If Toby actually wrote like that then half of the theories in the community would be true

[low surge]

That would be sick as fuck ngl

I love MK and his writing deeply (for all of him and his flaws) but that would probably be an even more unhinged mess than like the deep cut OOG shit that died with Monkey Truth

MK writing Ralsei would be some of the most genuinely incomprehensible Kirkbabble dense enough to collapse into a neutron star

[gilded canopy]

I still maintain that the way the prophecy of Deltarune works could reasonably involve Mantling and if true that would probably cause mass fandom insanity

[low surge]

I mean it tracks so far logically, Cage being Kris or Vessel, The Girl being Susie or Noelle

I mean the panel clearly shows Asgore but it doesn’t even explicitly name him, just Flower Man, so it’s not like the prophecy deals in any definites in terms of who is who

Except

Fucking

Jockington

At least for the heroes it’s vague enough

[ripe harbor]

The Girl being Susie or Noelle is still super speculative

and honestly at that point throw Dess in there too

just for fun

[low surge]

Oh yeah of course rampant speculation

Just like I could see if the prophecy is loose with the specifics of the heroes how Mantling could be applicable as a concept

[south flume]

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📺 SoftwareAngel 💾 (@softwareangel.neocities.org)

one time i got a mini bluetooth speaker and put it in my spamton plush so i can make him say the best things

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[low surge]

HOME OF CHALLENGE PIPIS

THATS RIGHT CHALLENGE PIPIS

[delicate cave]

I assume mantling means something specific here and not the climbing technique for getting over ledges

[low surge]

Hah right yeah not everyone is a TESLore nerd

The basic premise of Mantling is (typically) a mortal emulating the acts and nature so similarly to a god or hero that the two of you become one and the same. You take up their mantle. Walk like them until they walk like you.

You both become the thing you are mantling and the thing you mantle becomes more like you

Dress like a duck walk like a duck quack like a duck and soon enough you and the duck are one in the same

That’s kind of what mantling is

[delicate cave]

Ah! I wonder if they stole that from Runequest or if it's parallel evolution

[lethal ferry]

https://youtu.be/_Znodw8SCNc

[white basalt]

i'm here to see mf kaard

[foggy python]

ALL KAAPS

[white basalt]

unlike DOOM i hold no respect for rouxls kaard

[ripe harbor]

https://www.tumblr.com/hellspawnmotel/790102572444909568/deltarune-x-revolutionary-girl-utena?source=share

hey its that thing you talked about maybe
I still need to watch Utena

unassuming local guy

deltarune x revolutionary girl utena...

Tumblr · Jul 26, 2025, 3:28 AM

[lusty cypress]

Alsoa term in scion rpg

[ripe harbor]

Morrowind's plot revolves around something like that

the Nerevarine - the prophecized legendary figure - isn't a specific person, but you become them over the course of the game

by doing all the stuff the Nerevarine is supposed to do

more than just a title though its like you merge into the role

[ripe harbor]

& dont forget me,

your eggs mantle

Mantle is such a funny term for clothing. "Covering" yeah buddy I bet it does

[inland hare]

Yeah in TESL prophecies are real but who fulfills the prophecies are up in the air

If you do what is prophecied you are retroactively always meant to have been the legendary prophecized figure

Occasionally multiple people do different parts of the prophecies and then they retroactively get merged to become one person

Which is why there are like ten thousand different origin legends for the first emperor

And why Talos is called three headed

Three legendary heroes who retroactively gets remembered as one

[ripe harbor]

🤞 please toby you have the opportunity to be so funny in Deltarune

[sage needle]

How is this the second time I've seen "I'm glad I was able to communicate this" from Toby

First with Susie resting her chin on Kris's head and now with the boyband hair

[loud fulcrum]

The man knows how to write

I am really excited to see Asriel, if he ever actually makes a physical appearance ingame. Just what kind of person is he going to be??

I do think there is a distinct possibility he never shows, or maybe only at the very, very end. A bit like the fact you can't kiss Kim in Disco Elysium, the wondering does a lot more than any fully fleshed depiction

[inland hare]

I think Asriel probably is more relevant to the plot than we think at the moment

[ripe harbor]

of course, he's the Knight

[inland hare]

maybe that or maybe he knows something about dess' disappearence

dess and asriel were pretty close after all

[dense cargo]

Does anyone believe Asriel is the Knight at this point?

[inland hare]

I think there's probably some link between Asriel and the Knight but he's probably not the knight

some indescript kind of link

[dense cargo]

Yeah on that I agree, and that would make sense if the Knight is Dess, since as you stated they were close

[inland hare]

yeah

maybe close enough for asriel to share his lame OCs to Dess

[dense cargo]

I did also think that if the Knight is Dess, maybe her story somewhat parallels Asriel's becoming Flowey in UT?

[inland hare]

which would explain, if Dess is the knight, why her roaring knight design resembles asriel's god of hyperdeath mode

which would also make Dess a plagirist

[dense cargo]

Not the same of course, but as a possible motive, Dess having "lost" something of herself due to whatever happened to her

[inland hare]

imagine if Asriel comes back, sees the roaring knight, and is like "WAIT THAT'S MY SKETCH WTF"

[dense cargo]

More broadly, they do both give off the vibes of "character design born as someone's OC"

The difference being the God of Hyperdeath belonged to a small child, while the Knight fits more for an older teenager

[inland hare]

yeah

everyone had their Black Knight phase

[golden haven]

Phase....?

[ripe harbor]

I dont actually I'm joshing

[dense cargo]

No no that I figured, I was asking in general

[ripe harbor]

quite a bit of True Lab seems to be proto-Deltarune concepts

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the deep darkness works similarly to the Amalgams or Flowey's DT stuff

[dense cargo]

I hope we see a lot of those concepts in Deltarune, the True Lab was my favorite part of Undertale.

[ripe harbor]

this one didn't make final but its my favorite

[dense cargo]

Shame that wasn't included

[ripe harbor]

the 'Memoryheads' with the static-y speech and garbled noises through a phone, a sequel game with the main melody titled 'Don't Forget'

[dense cargo]

And the Memoryheads being the only Amalgamates with no known component monsters

[ripe harbor]

and the attack pattern that's similar to the mysteryman sprite

[inland hare]

undertale is a horror game

[low surge]

Imagine chapter 5 drops and immediately there’s a new sweepstakes page that looks like this

[ripe harbor]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1mark7v/the_forgotten_mans_eggs_are_not_actually_eggs_but/

interesting perspective on it

heres how Forgotten Man = Gaster can still win

if Gaster is ever directly connected to eggs I'm 100% going in on Humpty Dumpty theory

[low surge]

Humpty Dumpty theory being Gaster is the Forgotten Man?

I’m still on that bus personally

I think he’s at least a fragment of Gaster

The same part that wrote the mysterious valentines letter

[ripe harbor]

Moreso that it might be another Alice parallel, because Humpty Dumpty also appears in through the looking-glass

Gaster also had a 'great fall' that split him into a bunch of pieces

The king certainly never put him back together either

though the Forgotten Man is chill, while Alice's Humpty is kind of a dick tbh

[low surge]

Which raises a question as to why Gaster seemingly has beef with the Forgotten Man if it’s also him? Forgotten Man says he was trying to help someone (possibly himself?)

[low surge]

Ah gottcha

[ripe harbor]

the last part is imo one of the stronger implications it might be a piece of Gaster

"No... Well, Perhaps." is very peculiar phrasing

even with the way this guy talks

[low surge]

If Forgotten Man is trying to piece himself back together (through the Eggs?) why would Gaster (or rather this piece of him) not want that?

Yeah, I thought at first it might be him wanting to help Kris, but it makes more sense to me that he’s trying to put himself back together somehow

[ripe harbor]

Its all still ambigious enough to lean either way, imo

besides referring to egg collecting as "Issues" you dont get much on a relationship between them

and Gaster seems impressed if you manage to avoid all achievements, which includes picking up every egg