#Undertale and Deltarune

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lethal ferry
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so it's ||not that they physically are unable to remove the soul, they might just end up as someone/thing else||

foggy python
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ANTHOLOGY OF THE KILLER MENTION 🥳

sharp lodge
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that game is great
some of the best $8 i spent on a game

foggy python
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my most recent "indie game for some pocket lint that changes ur life forever"

low surge
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Never heard of it, just bought it looks interesting

sharp lodge
foggy python
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comedy horror with a lot to say about The Societies

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though extremely easy to appreciate how silly it is

rose swallow
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so what do you think susie sees when the soul is dodging attacks

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everyone getting hit solely depends on whether the soul dodges, so i would assume they're not making an effort to physically dodge themselves

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does susie just see the bosses inexplicably miss every attack

foggy python
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I like to think in the same way the soul can tell her to put in a spade in the square hole, it can also tell her to make little movements to dodge

low surge
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By @tendagumi on twitter

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Why does Spamtenna brainrot work so good

south flume
low surge
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Gaster fumbles

ripe harbor
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sometimes up with that deer. I give her good odds for later game antagonist.

low surge
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Wouldn’t be surprised if Noelle took a larger role in the next 3 chapters

ripe harbor
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3rd egg room is the best one

low surge
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She really only wasn’t around for 3 because of where the fountain was

ripe harbor
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Shes one of the 4 main characters, basically

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at least in a meta sense?

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In the game shes not really yet

low surge
ripe harbor
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theres a newer version of this one but it doesnt have anything new with Noelle

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still

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2014-2015 drawn as a main character, dropped this art back in chapter 1,

low surge
# ripe harbor

I remember he specifically said “less edited” and not unedited, so there’s still hidden stuff

ripe harbor
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Half the supplementary hints for future chapters come from her blog

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Prophecy-breaking alternate route revolves around her,

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things like intentionally written and unused dialogue responding to items she can't see in game

low surge
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I’m still kind of predicting Noelle will at least be in the chapter 5 dark world, maybe not like part of the party but who knows. Don’t think Toby and crew would have gone through all the effort of sprites and such if it was wholly a one off. CH5 weird route is supposed to be more significant than 4 after all

ripe harbor
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and right in the middle of the Dess - Carol - Kris primary plotline

dense cargo
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She's one of the names that gets the "YOU ARE ABOUT TO MEET SOMEONE VERY, VERY WONDERFUL" from the Voice in the intro, alongside Kris and Susie

ripe harbor
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I think she might be the Angel

low surge
ripe harbor
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Ralseis not in but thats more because no Darkners are in

dense cargo
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And so far she is our only party member outside the main three

ripe harbor
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so the question is really

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whats her place in Gaster's 'Deltarune'

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the prophecy or the story

low surge
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Maybe the one to usher in the Angel’s Heaven?

ripe harbor
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Its got lancer, its got main bosses, its got jokes about side characters - its gotta have something on one of the 4 main characters, right? Gaster even calls her someone wonderful - she has a role to play.

low surge
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She’s got all the angel connections, and she knows how to make dark fountains. If she ends up in another one she’s gonna realize it’s not a dream

ripe harbor
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Shes also considered incredibly powerful by Queen (and probably her mom, given who Queen is mirroring)

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shes got potential

low surge
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She is (thus far) the only person who can deal fatal damage too

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Makes me wonder if the bad part of the prophecy relates to her. I still think it’s got something to do with Ralsei but I mean who knows. There’s no way she doesn’t have a more significant impact

ripe harbor
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and the elemental type shes connected to is associated with power, emotional distance, and what happens to Dark Worlds that start to lose purpose / get too dark(?)

ripe harbor
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and most panels we've seen have been pretty short - how would susie have such a strong reaction that quickly?

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I supposed it could literally depict what is clearly a deer and then go "we've gotta sacrifice this one"

low surge
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Yeah hence why I’m still thinking it’s Ralsei as the sacrificial lamb (pun intended)

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But Noelle I think should still have some relevance, even outside of the weird route she’s sort of being set up as important.

ripe harbor
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I think the final prophecy relates to a tragedy re: Susie?

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Noelle and Kris are also kinda doomed!

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I really liked this read from Prokopetz

ripe harbor
low surge
ripe harbor
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what would be the connection?

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What type of tragedy could non-violent conflict resolution and building castle town up prevent?

low surge
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Just a guess? Maybe in a way he’s trying to subvert the prophecy? Hes clearly been hoping that we could at least change if not break part of it. Fulfill its requirements but in a different way, hoping the ultimate conclusion will still occur sans the tragedy? The prophecy doesn’t outright state we have to be violent, but it’s still a prophecy of conflict and battle. If we can fulfill each required section without necessarily doing it as strictly proscribed, maybe it could overall prevent whatever overarching conflict causes the tragedy? Or like because the Titans are creatures of fear and destruction and central figures of the prophecy, avoiding violence kind of negates their influence? Really not too sure.

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A whole violence begets violence thing, that if we be nice maybe we can preemptively stop the situation from spiraling into a conflict that will require bloodshed

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But Ralsei also pretty picky learns that sometimes you have to fight, not everything can be resolved peacefully. Kinda throws a wrench into that whole idea so really no clue

wheat adder
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Level ups clearly indicate something for the narrative since "the bonds you break might make you stronger" or whatever was the quote

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Part of me expects this to be a subversion of the imminent prophecy narrative no matter what because that's Homestuck's thing

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In Homestuck, no matter what they do, Lord English will still come and even steps they take to prevent his coming ultimately work in favour of it

low surge
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I’ve got to read Homestuck it seems

dense cargo
dense cargo
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And considering how integrated the idea his own eventual obsolescence as a Darkner is into his world view, I can’t imagine he’d be as visibly broken up about the prophecy as he is.

low surge
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Entirely possible, I see it as he’s been so desperate for contact that he slips and it happens anyway. He certainly seems friendly but the closeness doesn’t really come till chapter 2 where he’s learning sarcasm, standing up for himself, and realizing what friendship truly means. That’s really when he starts to have this seed of desire to be more than just a piece of the prophecy. By chapter 3 realizes he’s gotten too close and tries to push the whole “just forget about me” thing. But Susie (and Kris) push against that, and he’s got these developing feelings inside, that he wants to be real and maybe he doesn’t have to be a sacrifice after all, only to see the prophecy hasn’t changed and he’s still doomed. Add to it that now he’s made these friends, and now they know he’s doomed. He’s got a real bond with Susie, and we can see Kris warming up to him.
Granted that doesn’t really square with why he’d omit that stuff at the start/push for pacifism so I’ll admit it isn’t airtight.

low surge
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He has a real internal struggle between what he wants and what has to be done. If he didn’t have that small part of him that hoped for a different outcome, a part that wanted to be friends, why would he have tried to avoid part of the prophecy? If the prophecy seemingly doesn’t care about if we choose peace or violence, why would he direct us one way?
The prophecy is all he’s known up until he meets Susie and Kris. When something takes up such a significant part of your life, if it even defines who you understand yourself to be, it’s hard to shake it. He’s battling between the thing that’s defined him, that has been made his duty to fulfill, and his desire to be his own person. He starts out naively hoping that the prophecy can be fufilled, albeit with some caveats through careful choices. He grows closer to the gang, starts to reach out and discover himself. It’s all (relatively) low stakes and fun. Then you have the close call with Berdly nearly summoning a Titan, and he remembers “oh yeah this prophecy stuff” and starts drifting back into that mindset. When Susie talks about bringing him to the light world, his insecurities come out full force and he goes hard on his “I don’t matter” mentality. By the end of 3 he’s now caught between pursing his own feelings (especially if We/Kris validate them) and the prophecy continuing to unfold unchanged (the presence of the Knight is a major wake up call). When we end up in a place that’s literally spelling out the prophecy and seeing that it’s still unfolding as he knows it, that’s when he freaks out. Realizes that the ending hasn’t changed, and now Kris and Susie who have bonded with him will see it. He still wants to live (we see that at the end) but until we comfort him he’s consigned to his fate but wants to spare us the sorrow.

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All that’s kind just my take on why it makes sense to me, which I admit isn’t perfect. The narrative do be leaning towards Susie being doomed I’ll admit, but I’ve still got this feeling that Ralsei might be the one that has a grim fate in store for him.

ripe harbor
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I like to split the difference and say they're all doomed

low surge
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Begging Susie to lock in and rude buster Gasters bitch ass and free us from the prophecy

amber jolt
wheat adder
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So that's how it feels to have terminal Deltarune brainrot

ripe harbor
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(dustifang on twitter)

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sure I'll believe this uncritically

lethal ferry
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i love rouxls kaard trying to insert himself into every ship

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he's so stupid

ripe harbor
sharp lodge
sharp lodge
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if susie is kiryu does that make kris majima?

dense cargo
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It could be Noelle

delicate cave
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Does kiryu like majima? Because otherwise it might be berdly, again

dense cargo
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He absolutely likes Majima more than Susie likes Berdly

ripe harbor
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I just – I just couldn’t prove it. It covered it's tracks, got that mail guy from Cyber City to cut and run.... (laughs) You think this is something? You think this is weird? This? This chicanery? It wants worse... That Thorn Ring! Are you telling me a salesman just *happened* to find that in the trash? No! It orchestrated it! Image_Friend! It jumped me as a swarm in Battat! 

And I pet it! Oh, I shouldn’t have. I followed its pointed, hellish tail! What was I thinking? It’s always there. It's ALWAYS there! Ever since Queen's basement, always watching! Couldn’t keep its paws off the Shadow Crystals! Oh, But it's our Friend! Couldn’t be our Device_Friend! Laughing like mad! And IT gets to pull the strings? What a sick joke! I should’ve stopped it when I had the chance! …And you, you have to stop it! You-```
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sorry I got possessed by something

dense cargo
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Good

ripe harbor
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"Good. Keep posting."

strange cloud
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Me explaining how Friend is being foreshadowed as the final secret boss and it’s connections to every secret boss

foggy python
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friend IS gaster 🙂‍↕️ i asked

crystal shale
foggy python
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true...

low surge
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Was struck with a perfect idea for an Asriel angst comic and now I guess I gotta learn how to draw

rain barn
# amber jolt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQFmBSuc09Q

on the subject of songs with the "don't forget" leitmotif
-I'm with you in the dark https://youtu.be/D1WDRPk34gs&t=65

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STORMBLOOD: FINAL FANTASY XIV Original Soundtrack

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(1:05 if it doesn't embed with the timestamp)

ripe harbor
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"Listen I can't really explain but trust me: its probably evil. If it exists"

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yeah it'll probably be important for reasons I cannot say 😌

low surge
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Jimmy you can’t represent the demonic cat in court noooooooo

ripe harbor
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"Your honor, does this look like a client capable of the, frankly cold-hearted character assassination the prosecution paints?"
The client in question:

strange cloud
rose swallow
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god it would be so funny if mysteryman wasn't gaster

vocal elbow
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Do it Toby

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I want to see that fallout, it would be hilarious

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And spawn a new mad theory train of "Who is Mysteryman?!"

low surge
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Probably the only thing that would be worse than the inevitable Woody Theory 2.0 meltdown

ripe harbor
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Gaster shows up and its just Everyman in a research coat

loud fulcrum
merry arrow
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We'll get hints and allusions, but never concrete information

dense cargo
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We probably won't get a big exposition dump explaining everything about him, but I do think we will get something, including a possible appearance at some point. Unlike in UT, Gaster's been a presence in Deltarune's plot since the very beginning of the game.

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Like, if we get no information whatsoever about the mysterious voice who introduces us to the game in a very memorable scene, and who literally calls it "MY DELTARUNE", it would feel more disappointing than tantalising.

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Like, it's clearly building up to something.

merry arrow
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We don't even have explicit confirmation that that's gaster, and we probably won't. I prefer his presence being felt but not acknowledged

dense cargo
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I mean, if there's going to be a confirmation, it's probably going to be later in the game. We're barely half-way through.

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I don't know, I just feel like the game's been dropping hints so heavily and so unsubtly, I would be surprised if nothing comes of it.

strange cloud
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Everything about Gaster in undertale is so obviously in hindsight, foreshadowing for Deltarune

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Everything he talks about, everything related to him, related to Deltarune

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Gaster is also clearly an active force in Deltarune

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He’s the entire reason we can connect to that world to begin with

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And he’s associated with the bunker and secret bosses

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I do legitimately think Gaster will not only be seen, I think he’s going to be an active and important character in the story

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Gaster is also, importantly the exception to Toby Fox’s normal writing

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Nothing is left unexplained in Undertale, you learn answers to pretty much every question if you seek them out

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Gaster is the one exception

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It’s why he intrigued the fandom so much all these years

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He’s the one unanswerable question

dense cargo
strange cloud
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He at least has created one

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Entry 17 is obviously the creation of a dark world in hindsight

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Photon readings negative, darker yet darker

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Literally how Ralsei describes them

dense cargo
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Yup

sharp lodge
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i love toby's music so much
how'd he get so good, like seriously

delicate cave
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he trained under a waterfall in Andrew Hussie's basement

sharp lodge
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true

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been a long time since i listened to homestuck music but i remember it was really good

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part of the reason i'm so appreciative rn is i was just playing a doom wad with extremely weird music
like insane clown serial killer midis

low surge
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Lest we forget Denis or spanetom

sage needle
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Denis is my favorite Deltarune character

rose swallow
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who did they even mean

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dess??

sage needle
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Probably

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And somehow against all odds ||They may have been correct||

crystal shale
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That or theyre making a joke

delicate cave
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they meant Dennis Chainsawman

golden haven
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Dennis chainsawman...

rose swallow
sharp lodge
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https://old.rxddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1m3ealo/you_dont_understand_how_badly_i_need_toby_to_give/?ref=share&ref_source=link

rxddit.com
You don’t understand how badly I need Toby to give us a heart attack.
u/LazyFurry0 on r/Deltarune

You know how for the entire game so far, the retro margins at the side of the screen have been a safe space, either having relevant art or just generally being out of mind?

How funny would it be if Tricky Tony violated that trust?

(Gaster is from Sparkiegames Gaster With G-man’s voice video)

low surge
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Suzy from Undertale by @cloudyweathery

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2 apples tall

ripe harbor
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this is one of the big ones for why I think he'll be main story relevant, unmissably

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He's currently the first and last person you speak to in the game, has unique mysterious dialogue for trying to fight the hardest secret boss & for dying at all in Chapter 1-

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its hard to miss him

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First teaser on the deltarune website was a wingding quote of "THREE HEROES APPEARED AT WORLDS' EDGE", he was the guy on twitter announcing it,

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and the references to him actually get more direct each chapter

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like the image depths prophecy panels

ripe harbor
# ripe harbor

you aren't going to really get these without already expecting or knowing about gaster

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but I think the build up is there

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honestly theres a pretty good chance Entry 17 is in Deltarune

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like, readable through normal gameplay instead of code diving wingding translations

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esp with the shelter taking a central plot revelance, having two hidden file things that loosely connect it to Gaster (snd_smile + connection to the number 666), and having that same track play in Noelle's House(?!?)

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In the basement, underneath her house- at the roots, maybe? squint
I think if we'll get more concrete details on Gaster, it'll be in the bunker.

ripe harbor
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<- (that one friend thats too FRIEND)
I do actually think Friend was spamton's 'someone' on the phone & will have a boss fight for similar reasons.
His dialogue, quest rewards, and song all just click best with it as the culprit, at least of the frontrunners.

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When he speaks in BIG SHOT, two of the repeating lines mention something 'coming for him', and that 'it pulls the strings and makes them ring' - his relationship to 'it' is

  • fearful
  • opposed, he's trying to get away
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The item you get for working with Spamton gives you elemental resist against Element 6 - "Puppet / Cat" in the sweepstakes. Just like the Shadow Mantle gives you resist against Dark / Star

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but the Mantle tells you it what damage it resists flat out. The Dealmakers dont.

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And both the in-game and cut Mantles are similar to the elements they block, the Shadow Mantle is dripping shadows and the Sky Mantle glimmers with light. Even Frayed Bowtie / Mannequin resemble or connect back to Spamton, who they resist.

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So even without textual confirmation, the armors are like the thing they resist, they mirror what they protect against- and for the dealmakers?

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Fashionable pink and yellow glasses. Greatly increases $ gained, and...?

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A blind player going through this game, picking up the strongest Cat / Puppet resist armor by helping the guy afraid of something coming after him, wouldn't think to use this armor unless it was directly connectable to what it's supposed to be used against.

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unless there was something that very directly tied together cats & pink / yellow & puppeteering

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(also it makes narrative sense for spamton's armor to protect against what he fears is coming for him + Friend's most direct apperances happen literally right around the times you hear more about the mysterious phone person, through the Addisons or Tenna.)

crimson ocean
# ripe harbor

that friend looks like the dog amalgam im wodeering if theres any connectionnnn, labshit and such

amber jolt
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by @rassicas on the stupid bird site

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hey wait dont they make splatoon lore vids 🤔

loud fulcrum
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I'm convinced

ripe harbor
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this was the link that took you to the page that revealed Tenna's name

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for the first time

amber jolt
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GOD.

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Yeah it really does

ripe harbor
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he also talks about getting 'kissed on the mouth' as a consequence of his buisness strategy

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at least twice

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and his other valentine's day card also references Tenna. (Verdict: Divorce!)

ripe harbor
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for a 'character' without a name theres so much metatext around FRIEND being something

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lusty cypress
lusty cypress
delicate cave
sharp lodge
ripe harbor
lusty cypress
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You know
In the same way noelle and rudy have similar interests
Dess and carol may have been similar

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Dess being how carol was in her youth

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So carol disciplined her, but also supported her interests
And it was a bit of a game between them. Dess doing shenanigans, carol trying to stop her

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Then dess disappeared in the incident and carol saw it as her fault

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Latching onto rules and safety

sour mesa
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Certainly speculative, but plausible

lusty cypress
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Yeah, we just don't have much evidence

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My headcanon

low surge
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She seems to have become a lot more protective of Noelle

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To the point of even keeping her arts and crafts at home and preserved

amber jolt
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probably doesn't want the same thing that happened to dess happen to her

ripe harbor
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found this on accident this is a crazy rip

analog burrow
analog burrow
ripe harbor
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Its already implied to be back there with the controller and the vending machine, I just don't want to theorize around two invisible watching shadow entities who were back there at the same time 😵‍💫

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sorry nightmare_boss, the pink and yellow and cat buildups beats your laugh being a little different

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plus the John Mantle boss fight is literally against the mantle. If the speaker is supposed to be different from Friend, and Friend is their own seperate individual creature,

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there'd be pretty much no info on what John Mantle 'actually' looks like, its even more speculative than FRIEND

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honestly a big part of the vibes of Friend being something intelligent and capable of speech, imo, is that it has eyes

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like the Darkner cutscene - the eyes sweep sideways and the hands clutch at nothing

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but the face stares at you

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it runs at you laughing, its aware in ways the other stuff might not be

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its constantly staring at Kris / You

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sharp lodge
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remember how spamton neo talks about wanting to reach heaven?
i think we've all assumed since chapter 2 that he meant the light world, but i don't think that's necessarily true
heaven pops up in a few other places where it wouldn't make sense for it to mean the light world
it's mentioned in the hymn at the start of the church service in chapter 4, there's a slide in one of the chapter 4 dark worlds that says "they'll hear the ring of heaven's call," and it's mentioned in ralsei's prophecy that they'll banish the angel's heaven (which i don't think is the roaring, ralsei left it out until he couldn't anymore, and it's uniquely described in the chapter 4 prophecy as something that might happen, as opposed to everything else which is treated as a certainty)

ripe harbor
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I actually think the roaring is a certainty based on the prophecy

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but its kind of the start?

strange cloud
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Yah where the roaring is supposed to happen is a little unclear

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Because like, Ralsei’s summary and the church prophecy imply it’s at the beginning and it’s the reason for the heroes formation

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But obviously, it hasn’t happened yet

ripe harbor
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both of these come right before the "Three Heroes will be sent on Hopes and Dreams" part

ripe harbor
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though I dont expect a huge rugpull there, because the heroes do fight the Knight multiple times in the prophecy

strange cloud
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Turns out the roaring happened last week, just nobody noticed because it wasn’t that big a deal

ripe harbor
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so the three heroes that have appeared now are probably the three heroes that will appear later

strange cloud
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Yah, and there is stuff that happens during the game

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The lord of screens being cleaved

dense cargo
strange cloud
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The Queen’s chariot

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Asgore’s imminent crash out

analog burrow
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Also the If in the prophecy could imply it doesn’t happen, but the possibility of it spurns the heroes to action

ripe harbor
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Imo there isnt too much difference

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depends on what you think the roaring counts as

dense cargo
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I think it's the only conditional in the prophecy

ripe harbor
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this part seems very likely

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the part where everyone dies in the darkness, hopefully not

dense cargo
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It may or may not mean anything, of course

ripe harbor
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so I expect the finale to happen 'during' the roaring?

strange cloud
ripe harbor
# ripe harbor

(unmentioned detail - notice the stars erupting upwards too)

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this cutscene predates both the in game and out of game mention of 'dark / star' as an elemental pair

analog burrow
ripe harbor
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also very true

dense cargo
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You know, my completely baseless theory when first seeing the end of ch 4 was that the tragedy at the end of the prophecy was all of the Darkners dying/petrifying for good. I guess I just thought that Castle Town allowing them to persevere was a bit too convenient? I don't actually think this anymore though, since there's not much backing it up.

analog burrow
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I don’t think the tragedy is the end of the dark world, as the wording of the worlds being saved would imply otherwise

dense cargo
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Yeah that too

ripe harbor
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they could end seperated, but safe

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though

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I think a personal tragedy feels more likely based on character reactions

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I honestly don't think Ralsei would have kept it a secret if it was just sealing the dark worlds

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He spends half of chapter 3 talking about how Darkners eventually become obsolete + aren't real

strange cloud
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I am leaning towards Ralsei being the sacrifice just because of Susie’s emphasis on him

ripe harbor
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but he really doesn't want Susie to see the prophecy

strange cloud
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“You especially wouldn’t allow that”

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If Susie is the sacrifice, then why is he getting emphasis more then Kris? She doesn’t particularly favor Ralsei in their friendship

dense cargo
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ripe harbor
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mhm

ripe harbor
analog burrow
ripe harbor
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its his stated reasoning for promoting pacifism

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his motivation for his chapter 1 healing King and trying to make friends with everyone was changing the prophecy

dense cargo
strange cloud
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That’s fair yah

ripe harbor
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and immediately afterwards he compliments susie on her kindness - like he couldn't imagine her still being that nice after reading the prophecy

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idk the vibes just feel off for all Darkners going away

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All the heroes getting sealed away, I could see

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though also I wouldn't be surprised if Dark Worlds can't exist after the ending, I feel like the shelter might be the source of the Dark in general in Hometown

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or at least the thing thats allowing you to stab the ground to make Dark Worlds?

dense cargo
strange cloud
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That’s more because I’m hope pilled though

dense cargo
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I do wonder whether the game will actually have an inevitable tragic ending.

strange cloud
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I really don’t think so

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That’s more because of Toby as a writer though

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That “their love will be your love” interview

low surge
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I think it’ll be bittersweet but I don’t see Toby kicking us in the gut and walking off so to speak

analog burrow
dense cargo
analog burrow
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Oh and one semi related thing I wanted to bring up before I dip

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if Kris loses a hand, ||they won’t be able to play piano||

dense cargo
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Ouch

strange cloud
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I’m gonna fucking

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Ugh

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If that happens

analog burrow
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Toby I swear to god

low surge
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Oh yeah I saw the hand shit recently fuck Robert do not

analog burrow
strange cloud
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Susie will be their second hand trust the plan trust the process

low surge
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That would be extremely cute and also heartbreaking

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“Only if you play too”

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Toby…

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Do not

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Just let the poor children be happy

analog burrow
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Alas, they followed the pointed tail…

lusty cypress
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Wow I'm glad to not be deep in the fandom
Seems people are hating a lot on Toriel

strange cloud
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Unfortunately people are extrapolating her making a single mistake to “She actually hates her stupid chud human child”

dense cargo
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She gets one scene of possibly questionable parenting, and she's an irredeemable monster

low surge
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Love Toriel, she’s definitely not a perfect mom but it’s the usual pendulum swing reaction people have to this kind of stuff

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Like that scene did really make me think and rethink Toriel, but like I don’t hate her? It’s almost like every character in this game has nuance? Like it’s a Toby Fox game?

strange cloud
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Impossible

low surge
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Like the closest we have to actually evil motherfucker is a jpeg of a face that doesn’t even have a name

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I think also, at least in my experience, a lot of people have Toriel a pass in Undertale and the whole “goat mom” thing led to people really idolizing her, so the second we got to really see a less positive side of her it caused people to go to the opposite extreme (plus lasting beef between Asgore and Toriel fans, which lol, lmao)

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Which we’ve known about this stuff since the alarm clock but also you kinda have to be a bit into the weeds of Undertale to know about that

lusty cypress
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Oh wow Garden of Evil is an old Western film. Friend inside me theory still alive

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strange cloud
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But you could really tell when a fanfic author favored one or the other lol

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There has been weird beef since undertale it’s a lot of history lol

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I was there I got involved lol

lusty cypress
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Asgore is a fun character but he totally has big mistakes to account for

strange cloud
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Ye

low surge
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That’s part of why I like him so much

strange cloud
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He’s pathetic and has aura

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A rare combination

crimson ocean
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reading a book and ive never seen this particular toby

delicate cave
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Phantom Thief Toby

low surge
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Toby living my dream of being a masked mystery man

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Deploying tactical Spamton

rose swallow
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now that's a big shot

sharp lodge
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i keep going thorugh the deltarune tag on tumblr and sometimes i click on an image in a post and the post just disappears

golden haven
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Friend doesnt want you to see things

lusty cypress
strange cloud
lunar saffron
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me when i get auto-booted from a server because i type a message that has the word "gaster

strange cloud
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holy shit they're gone

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they got em

sharp lodge
golden haven
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Jesus christ

clear frost
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evisceration

analog burrow
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the W.D. in W.D. Gaster stands for Wants Deltarune

rose swallow
rose swallow
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fun fact: in undertale, when an enemy becomes friendly, their name turns to yellow. there's an NPC you can talk to to change that from yellow to pink.

low surge
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Toby…

clear frost
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what significance do those colors have...why are they everywhere...

inland hare
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It’s just culture

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They have a name tag

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And they switch it out for yellow when they are ready to be spared

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And then if you tell them that sucks

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They stop doing it

clear frost
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no i mean over all of toby's works

ripe harbor
ripe harbor
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actually, after I went back to look at Cheshire cat stuff after FRIEND showed up again, I was wondering if its more directly inspired by Disney's Alice or older animation

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I never actually watched the Disney Alice - its super Pink

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just all over the place, probably to make wonderland feel unnatural

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Dumbo's pink elephants do the same thing

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oh yeah there we go

ripe harbor
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literally as Alice falls down the rabbit hole here the screen flashes pink and yellow

clear frost
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ah.

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toby when i get you

ripe harbor
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super noticably too

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I dont have an explanation for the Undertale ones, but the Deltarune version is probably at least pointing to the same space

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skewed perspective, something you wouldn't see normally, a bit of madness or things going topsy-turvy, something like that

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what you find when you go down the rabbit hole,

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when you dig a little deeper

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when you know its some Friend bullshit but you can't prove it

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ambiguously extant twistily worded someone or something giving vague familiarities and vibes

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The shadow crystals themselves something that distorts perception and shows you alternate views

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Noelle's out of universe blogposts about the Ice Palace, about Battat, matching Ralsei's darkworld description in her 'Ice-E' sighting - all places FRIEND shows up.

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Even her catpetters weird egg

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this is how you'd get the Friend jumpscare in that event, by clicking repeatedly on the chair

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the 'weird sound' was face.ogg, it's the laugh the little friendlings have when you kill them

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SCAIRY cat-shaped hole in the narrative

loud fulcrum
lusty cypress
mortal lion
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chat

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i realized something

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warhammer deltarune

amber jolt
wheat adder
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This one's going over my head

strange cloud
low surge
# mortal lion

I’m gonna be honest with you I don’t get the connection to Saturnine Praetors here

lusty cypress
ripe harbor
low surge
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Did Carol and Toriel fujo out over them (top 10 questions Toby Fox MUST ANSWER)

serene mountain
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so I (45M) had seven beers last night and went out driving in my truck when I hit my boyfriends (42M) kid (19F) and now my stupid chud kid (15NB) and their dumbass friend (16F) are praising me for saving the world (4.5 billionF) aita

lusty cypress
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4.5 billionF?

ripe harbor
lusty cypress
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Oh the world

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's age

ripe harbor
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see

lusty cypress
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Mixed up with world population

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So I thought it was 4.5 billion women

low surge
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Toby would never make his game political

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The plug guy said so

ashen tide
sour mesa
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no....

inland hare
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No, L

sharp lodge
analog burrow
# ashen tide

https://youtu.be/QUs_aUFHDJI?si=ajl7dn-roeyuvC6x&t=2m8s

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Making Noelle wait by going to the diner - Deltarune Chapter 4

Special dialogue if you make Noelle wait by going to the diner in Deltarune Chapter 4

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Oh yeah she reacts if you go anywhere else after the scene at her gate. Neat little thing.

lusty cypress
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Can't fully digest the video
But the idea that "the place where trees would grow" means that the tree is a repression mechanism for Kris is interesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQautRJQnfs

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FRIEND: What is the Demon Cat with the Pointed Tail? | Deltarune Th...

Deltarune has a mystery bigger than anyone realizes. Hidden in the code, nestled beside GASTER and Dess, is FRIEND - a strange cat with a pointed tail that may sit at the center of all of Deltarune's lore. Today, I'm going to go through the story of Image_Friend, analyze all the evidence we have, and discuss the possibilities when it comes to th...

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lusty cypress
strange cloud
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Open discussion:

Is Gaster the demiurge?

sour mesa
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at least a little

low surge
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Guess it depends on if he created the world of Deltarune or attached himself to it

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I also think the Demiurge has a degree of active malevolence to it iirc?

sour mesa
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Ignorance is its first offense, its other problems stem from that

sour mesa
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[guy who's read homestuck voice]

lusty cypress
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"It can't just be me. A glooby girl against the world"

ripe harbor
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in a literal sense yea but not nessasarily in the gnostic sense

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I don't think you'd have a good Pleroma stand-in

ripe harbor
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it made the material world, but cant replicate the spiritual in the same way. Its an explanation for the world being as it is.

low surge
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Right yeah

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False god equivalent to the Monad

ripe harbor
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Humans (or at least some humans. Mostly men who agreed with the gnostics) have enlightened spiritual-selves trapped in the material

low surge
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But then what’s the Monad? Toby Fox?

ripe harbor
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there were a lot of sects

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the classic issue the gnostics would run into is a disagreement on levels

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turns out once you create one layer seperation its actually easy to just keep adding

ripe harbor
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theres closest thing in setting to that would be, idk, the unformed Darkness?

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or the strictly hypothetical semi-meta answers, like the 'purest light' from the 'Sun'

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at the least Gaster implies the Darkness is at least partway outside of the world, since you can scatter across realities by falling into it

sharp lodge
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people keep comparing burn in despair from undertale to black knife but i just don't hear it

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they just don't sound similar to me at all

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other thought i had
it's interesting to me that kris kinda looks like the vessel
what ever options we pick it always kinda looks like them

lethal ferry
low surge
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A lot of people predicting Sans as the secret boss for chapter5/ Ralsei’s mentor character and honestly I hope not

inland hare
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What if it’s roulx kaard somehow

low surge
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Please lmao

rose swallow
low surge
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Honestly Rouxls would be hilarious but also kind of perfect for someone to teach Ralsei about standing up for himself

rose swallow
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the issue is that i don't think rouxls has been holding back secret boss-level power

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if it's a character we've seen before (which so far it never has been) i think asgore would make the most sense

low surge
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I could see that, I mean I doubt it’s Rouxls it would just be funny. Sans wouldn’t make sense either because that would mean he’s in league with the knight, so somehow stole a shadow crystal off them. Asgore would be an interesting option. I’m still of the opinion that we might not even fight him, at least I can’t imagine him willingly fighting Kris.

amber jolt
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thanks siivagunner

wheat adder
low surge
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Yeah

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Granted I still theorize and I’d personally like one

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But after 3&4 I’ve realized getting married to any particular theory is futile since who the fuck knows what Toby will

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I’ve seen people like legit mad that woody theory didn’t happen and saying the chapter sucked because of it

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Which

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lol, lmao

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We shouldn’t expect patterns, but I’d still like a Ralsei solo battle

wheat adder
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Those people might need some help lol

low surge
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Yeeeep

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Like I’m still gonna make theories because it’s fun and I like to speculate, but I’m under no illusion that even like a single thing will happen as I expect it

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I’m along for the ride

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People that are doubling down for woody theory 2.0, I genuinely feel bad for them

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Same with people trying to rework chess theory

wheat adder
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Yeah it's a bit sad

low surge
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Like I was really hoping for Toriel to be a big part of chapter 3, even thinking Asgore might have shown up. And like I honestly couldn’t care less I was totally wrong, I loved chapter 3

rose swallow
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is woody theory not a meme

low surge
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No it’s real

wheat adder
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I can kinda understand tho
Like I guess some people are expecting a really simple narrative

low surge
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Not to be rude, but: in a toby fox game????

rose swallow
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i really doubt that the people saying a pixar character will be in deltarune are not just committing to a bit

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like papyrus knight

wheat adder
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If all you've ever consumed are simple narratives it's easy to expect it

low surge
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Not actual woody

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But a character based on them

wheat adder
low surge
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Idea being it’s the main character from a cancelled old western show Asgore used to watch with Kris

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The whole thing spawned out of the Spamton sweepstakes having sprites of Kris and Susie dressed as cowboys, a shitpost Toby Fox made (Friend Inside Me), and like one line from one of the news letters

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Which like it’s not the most insane groundless pure crackpot gaster-bullshit-but-I-can’t-prove-it theory out there

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But people took it way too far way too confidently

ripe harbor
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the names the game (really Gaster tbh) responds to is really odd

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Toriel, Asriel, Asgore, Sans, Papyrus, Alphys, Undyne, Berdly, Rudy, Catti, Jockington, Catty, Bratty, Gerson, QC - AN INTERESTING COINCIDENCE

□□□□□□ - Crashes your game.```
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so

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its been proposed this is a list of light world characters that will be seen in Dark Worlds

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sans is on the list, and 'Sans Undertale is really Sans Deltarune' stocks are on the rise

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so he'll probably do some plot relevant stuff later

ripe harbor
tropic valve
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I predict that Rouxls is going to ||fucking die. Be one of the first/few named Darkners to just absolutely fucking get straight up murdered. And it's gonna be shocking because we'll expect it to be a joke. Just a haha funny situation. But no. Actual death.||

wheat adder
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The first one is ||Tenna tho, in the combat play through.||

restive comet
dense cargo
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The diner owner

restive comet
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O h

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Oh no

ripe harbor
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I dont even think her name was revealed to be QC until Deltarune

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pretty much no clear pattern holds up

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its not all of Kris and Susie's classmates, its not all the UT Shopkeepers or main bosses, its got characters everyone knew about and complete ??? picks.

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But

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Its still true after Chapter 3+4 that no Lightner* has ever shown up in Dark Worlds whos not on this list.

* DW about the Knight

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I don't know how much of a gonerlist truther I am,

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but I do remember a bit after Chapter 2 came out there were people betting on Gerson partially because of this list. Maybe they were onto something.

dense cargo
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There's still eleven Lightners on that list who haven't appeared in the Dark Worlds yet. That's a lot for the three (maybe four [maybe more]) chapter remaining.

ripe harbor
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ya thats the biggest reason I'm iffy on this list

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though ||Its not like Toriel had a super important role in Chapter 3||

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and ||Asgore is going to be heavily involved next chapter!||

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I could see Bratty + Catty + QC forming into a three-person shop during the Roaring or whatever

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taking up about the same amount of space as the Music Trio

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Jockington + Catti & Sans + Papyrus are duos, really compacts the list

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I could see Catti getting a bigger role because she's mentioned pretty often for a missable side character

dense cargo
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And she has ties to both Kris and Noelle

ripe harbor
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& shes got a talk portrait. & she is a cat

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yeah

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she's tertiary connected to several main characters

dense cargo
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Also, Jockington must show up more. Otherwise, how will he grow the beard?

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Maybe that's his dark world form. All that changes is he has the beard.

ripe harbor
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thats the joke I was making to my friends yesterday lmao

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Theres also Catti's ties to the 'occult'. Which, its all treated as a joke, shes just a goth.

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but she does also live in a town with literal magic nonsense happening

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so she might actually be onto something

restive comet
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I like the idea of Sans's Dark World fit just be him wearing actual shoes

lusty cypress
dense cargo
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Is there reason to believe that Ralsei will have a mentor character?

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As in, has it been hinted in some way?

restive comet
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Why not Asriel or Toriel?

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Or both

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Or possibly even the entire Dreemur family

lusty cypress
# dense cargo Is there reason to believe that Ralsei will have a mentor character?

My own thoughts on this are

  • Ralsei has shown a small amount of flame powers, asgore wields flames, fire is mentioned for chapter 5
  • Ice has had a lot of symbolism of control and stagnation. Asgore mentions struggling to keep the flowers (implied to be from his wedding to Toriel) alive in this weather. Fountains are shown as flowing water, but fountain formation also looks a bit like a flame starting. Plus we might have mechanics for managing the temperature and illumination of plants
  • Ralsei has not had a major arc yet, but the last two chapters really examined him and his issues. Also Susie dipped from damage into healing, so Ralsei could dip from healing into damage
  • Asgore is likely to note Ralseis similarity to Asriel and actually deal with that, unlike Kris or Noelle. Plus he's deeply parental like Torial, plus obsessed with nostalgia. So he's likely to take Ralsei under his wing and spoil him
  • The inferno of jealousy is unlikely to be from asgore, both because he wouldn't hurt his kingdom and because the symbolism for him is more of excessive preservation and seeking the past than destruction
  • If Ralsei were to have an arc and break his idea he deserves less for being a darkner, would he perhaps find a jealousy within himself? A desire to one day walk freely with his friends outside the dark world? And perhaps, this would unlock power the party needs to face the chapter
  • I have seen speculation, due to Egg/Tree Man's lines, we get bread this chapter, due to bread being from wheat and baking. And thus access tree room in an area with that
ripe harbor
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His growth is much more.... background for now

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his most important arc moments have been 'playing video games' and 'having preferences on things' and 'slightly questioning what he wants during a boat ride before being interrupted'

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so you probably want to bring that to the front

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He's got great character moments but most of them are very reactive

lusty cypress
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Plus chapter 3 starting and ending with his ideas on darkners
And the sledgehammer chapter 4 was to him

ripe harbor
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yeah

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its a good set up for him to actually push for something soon

lusty cypress
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Also the mechanics to decorate his room

ripe harbor
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The bread shout is also because the bakery bemoans a lack of a BREAD MASTER

lusty cypress
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Oh that too, true

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You need bread for malius

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He can't create new fusion techniques without eating bread

ripe harbor
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If Asriel's back by the Chapter 5 dark world

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he'd be the most interesting mentor, I think

lusty cypress
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True

dense cargo
lusty cypress
lusty cypress
ripe harbor
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Weirdly, I feel Ralsei starting a fight with Kris or Susie might actually be one of the best things for him

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he's too agreeable

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Maybe he'll find a funny Darkner to care about, like Kris and Susie did

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also not to be that one guy whos too FRIEND, but

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hmm

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hmm

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piles of Friend dust

analog burrow
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The tale that must be followed and the tail that must not be followed

lusty cypress
ripe harbor
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5 Shadow Crystals
5 Eggs
hmm

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lots of 5s

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secret, hidden fives

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This might support the people who think the Friendogeny is supposed to look like a hand?

sharp lodge
ripe harbor
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Element 6 - Hands? Making connections (making deals?) or things that are in pieces, control and the lack of it, the hand of fate?

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wouldn't hurt the Gaster connections, either

lusty cypress
ripe harbor
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I think the flowers may end up jealous

lusty cypress
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So they can't be the flames of asgore jealousy

ripe harbor
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Esp with how darkners so far have been referencing characters important to the teens lives

lusty cypress
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True

ripe harbor
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it could be Asgore's flowers have a relationship similar to him that the town / his family does

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The divorce seems to have been in large part due to his obsessiveness, they could be trying to drag him away from whatever reason he actually opened the dark world for

lusty cypress
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One problem this asgore may have is "control"

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Trying to get what he wants

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Such as the family back together

timber widget
dense cargo
sharp lodge
lusty cypress
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Which could tie into him being a cop and king

ripe harbor
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still referenced, sort of, in Susie's dialogue post fight (Puppets, Strings, Hands)

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(he does the phone hand thing too but basically the game wants to put emphasis on hands)

inland hare
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Notably Asgore in Undertale in a fit of anger declared that he would and killed people he does care for

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So I think he probably could be pushed to burn his own flowers

lusty cypress
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Ah whatever, you all can say whatever about the inferno of jealousy, I'm tired

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Either way, I think Ralsei could have an arc in chapter 5

lusty cypress
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Plus fire as a power and thematic element is pretty cool, so just rotating this in my head or seeing fan content on this idea is fun

low surge
# ripe harbor do you know about the gonermaker name list theory?

Yeah, I really don’t understand some of the logic for who’s included (mostly QC) but I figure he’s got to have some plot relevance. I just don’t think/really want Sans in that role. Though I will admit if there’s anyone who could ragebait Ralsei into standing up for himself it’s probably Sens Under-Rail

low surge
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Always bet on FRIEND

low surge
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I’m still kinda iffy on Asgore being the source of the Inferno of Jealousy. At the very least I think it won’t just be him. If Catti and Jockington are indeed relevant, Catti is a pretty good candidate. Ralsei I don’t know, he does refer to his desires as “selfish” and he is being outdone in healing (even though his costs less TP) but he reacted very positively to Susie doing better than him.

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He could be it for sure, but Asgore is nothing if not a bit of a sad sack/pushover. I could easily see it happening that rather than crashing out, he sees Sans and Toriel and just further retreats inward into his depression and isolation. The Flower Man Trapped in Asylum in both senses of the word. His safe harbor but also a place that keeps his growing instability locked away from everyone else.
It’s been a hot minute since I’ve played Undertale so I may be wrong, but for all the talk of Asgore’s wrath isn’t the only time he makes a decision actually dictated by his anger is the war with humanity? Having just lost a child and seeing his son killed in front of him? Asgore really isn’t someone that’s quick to anger, and I don’t think the ex shacking up with the grocery man is on the same level. Undertale and Deltarune Asgore aren’t the same people, but I’m not sure that’s gonna be enough to push him over the edge.

lusty cypress
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Also, the possibilities of the inferno's origin get funny if you think it's everyone at once
Asgore, flowers, Catti and Ralsei go wild on the flame magic
Kris and Susie pull out fire extinguishers

low surge
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You know it’s going to be bad when the two goblin children are the source of sound reasoning

low surge
lusty cypress
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Yeah

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Wanting to go out with the lightners. Go to the festival, to school

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Man imagine toriel meeting ralsei and trying to organize a fake school for him to enjoy for a day

low surge
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“Man im such a selfish piece of shit chud darkener I should be thrown into the abyss” - guy who wants basic humanity

low surge
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I really am looking forward to Asgore and Ralsei interacting

ripe harbor
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I'm looking forward to Asgore in general I think its the thing I'm most excited for

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his character, family relationship drama, town history, dess lore. Its literally all there

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from @dimeadozencows on tumblr

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real and true

rose swallow
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you know who would be a sick final boss of weird route

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toriel realizing we're hurting her child and fighting us without holding back

inland hare
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by hurting her child?

rose swallow
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the secret video game in chapter 3 strongly indicates the soul is going to kill Kris at the end of weird route

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I think it's pretty plausible there could be some way to attack the soul to get rid of it without killing kris

crystal shale
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I think Kris would be a neat Weird Route final boss personally

low surge
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You vs all of Hometown

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Bossrush

merry arrow
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I think the best joke in deltarune is still "My name is Seam, pronounced Shawm. Welcome to my Seap"

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I still think about that joke a lot

low surge
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It’s a banger

strange cloud
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Just each chapter main boss, one after another

ripe harbor
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I hope the hardest boss fight is tied to the shadow crystals more than the weird route

strange cloud
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Same

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The shadow crystals definitely feels like where the hard shit is

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With the knight being the hardest fight in the game so far

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Solo Spamton is close but also, it’s just Spamton, the easiest secret boss

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It’s just hard because you have so much less room for error

ripe harbor
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Genocide works for what it is but I think repeating the big hype fight behind the Evil Route wouldn't serve the route

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should still have some unique stuff ofc

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I actually find Gerson easier tbh

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Neither are really difficult though

low surge
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See when I first first played Deltarune I skipped Jevil and tried but never beat Spamton Neo. After playing again and beating Jevil, Spamton Neo took me like 3 tries. Would have won the 2nd time but I choked with one turn left

strange cloud
rose swallow
ripe harbor
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yeah but I want to opt into the hard stuff even on my nice file

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actually it would be harder there, marginally, because of the stat differences

tidal fox
ripe harbor
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ya

low surge
ripe harbor
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it just pops into your inventory

tidal fox
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Ah okay

strange cloud
tidal fox
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I didn't know if you still got it after fountain Spamton

rose swallow
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also worth noting that you don't necessarily have to actually do the fucked up evil stuff to enjoy the sick superboss

ripe harbor
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yeah but you know its engagement with the media

sharp lodge
low surge
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God I need something like that for the knight so I can practice

strange cloud
ripe harbor
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like I could cheat engine my way there too but I want to do it the 'intended' way

ripe harbor
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I was wondering

low surge
rose swallow
strange cloud
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Oh huh

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I guess I only really heard about bad time simulator

low surge
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🦇 🕰️

strange cloud
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Bat time simulator is gonna be the Dess fight game

rose swallow
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okay clicking through all of the undyne ones seem pretty shit

dense cargo
sour mesa
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Comes back

ripe harbor
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glass illusion

strange cloud
low surge
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You finish the game normal route, final cutscene is playing when Kris decides to prank Noelle. A returned Dess turns the corner, and the true final fight begins as you try to not get whacked with a wiffel bat

ripe harbor
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the organtikks take over the dojo to make it a Story Dojo

strange cloud
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Like your point on Tenna is good but there’s also the Titan

ripe harbor
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the jigsawry joes in a really good prop costume

strange cloud
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Lol

ripe harbor
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I want to walk in on two Npcs arguing vehemently about the chapter 3 knight fight and how hard it must've been for the Legendary Heroes to win before turning to you to tell them 'how it went down'

strange cloud
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The Organtikks and Jigsawrys get in an argument over which main boss was harder to beat, has the fun gang fight them in a row to see who’s right

strange cloud
ripe harbor
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and you could fit in funny challenges too

strange cloud
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They’re in universe over exaggerations by the WOL

ripe harbor
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like, ok, but what if it was just Kris against Tenna

strange cloud
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Solo Tenna sounds like hell lol

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Cutting your TP generation by a 1/3rd

tidal fox
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The Bard just taking some "poetic license"

dense cargo
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See now that would be peak I will say

low surge
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Jigsaw Joe is actually an anagram for I Am The Roaring Knight fun fact

ripe harbor
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I saw a couple more people trying to apply gnostic frameworks to DRs setting

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I don't think I track with any of the 'stacked fiction' diagrams because I feel theres a hurdle if you put any Gaster stuff 'above' the Light World because his ass fell Into The Dark

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whatever the relationship between light and dark is, it doesn't feel strictly hierarchal

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like heres's one from @ghostopal_ on twitter

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this graph is wild

dense cargo
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Why is Undertale near the bottom there?

inland hare
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Or close

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Since it’s a sandwich

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And circles back around

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Like snake eating its own tail

rose swallow
ripe harbor
ripe harbor
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"Sexual" (Creative)

dense cargo
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Though probably not one I'd buy either

ripe harbor
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I get the feeling the darkness isn't underneath in a 'within' way but instead in a 'between and around' way

inland hare
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But I do wonder what it means

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For Susie to be able to hear the Song

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Coming from across the lake

dense cargo
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That song might be the most mysterious thing in the game so far

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It has no obvious connections with any of the other mysteries we know about, and we have close to zero information on it.

ripe harbor
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I'm curious about what holy and the light is going to mean

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4 chapters in and its really only ever shown up with the Soul

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the unused holy resist item implies its going to be rainbow-y?

dense cargo
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What do we even know about Holy so far?

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The theme for the Fountains is called THE HOLY

low surge
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No enemies use it yet iirc

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Which you’d think that the church level of all place would have holy damage type

ripe harbor
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Its connected to Light and Electricity

dense cargo
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The HolywaterCooler is not in fact Holy

ripe harbor
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its a good bit

ripe harbor
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and maaaaaybe Hope

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thats how the Soul's light is brought forth at least

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other than that pretty much nothing

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Its not even clear if the Soul-Light stuff is 'Holy' / 'Light', but if anything is so far its probably that

crystal shale
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Whats the Holy?

low surge
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Song that plays before you seal dark fountains

crystal shale
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Ah

rose swallow
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actually wait Asriel would be a really sick weird route final boss

ripe harbor
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at least in GUARDIAN

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Other quotes Idk thats just what people say

low surge
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I’m bad at identifying leitmotifs unless it’s super obvious

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lusty cypress
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You know, the way I see Kris and the soul is now that Kris clocks in for a job they don't like that much but can cope

ripe harbor
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same but if that job was more of a debt to the mob

analog burrow
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That fallen star do be making rivers of bitter water with its tears tho

low surge
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Yeah really what the fuck is the song

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Toby

restive comet
golden haven
low surge
restive comet
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I never was into Tally Hall unfortunately, didn't hear about them till more recently

amber jolt
golden haven
ripe harbor
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shayyuri21 on twitter

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sharp lodge
scarlet wadi
ripe harbor
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dubious creature

low surge
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What mischief and jocularity will our good friend Ralph find themselves in today

ripe harbor
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oh

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oh Airwaves, the minigame mike song where FRIEND shows up is near exclusively repeating the part of Spamton that's used in Digital / Bit Roots

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hmm

low surge
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From the actual Uni account btw

ripe harbor
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this will be Pluey graphics in 2026

low surge
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THIS [Cat Petterz] IS NAMED [HOT SINGLES IN YOUR AREA] LOOK HIM UP ON YOUR SCHOOL COMPUTER

inland hare
crimson ocean
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sorry iif ii pinged you i cant tell

delicate cave
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if there's an @ sign next to the username in the reply text, they got pinged. it's just Slimnoid not @Slimnoid so there was no ping

sharp lodge
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weird detail i found going through the deltarune wiki

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low surge
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Wait where was Ralsei smoking a blunt references in chapter 3 I must have missed that

lusty cypress
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"Ralsei lights up"

sour mesa
low surge
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Anthony does it again

wheat adder
inland hare
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Honestly Frisk gets me

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They don’t do crazy things

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Like have opinions

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Or hit me with a hockey stick

sharp lodge
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https://deltarune.wiki/w/Blue_Ribbon
according to this entry, the reason the blue ribbon prevents data transfer about the knight is it shares the same ID as the black shard

The Deltarune Wiki
Blue Ribbon

The Blue Ribbon is an armor found in Chapter 3. It can be obtained as a gold prize from the Ball Machine in the Green Room.
The Blue Ribbon grants +1 DF and Magic while also increasing the effectiveness of healing by 12.5%. This applies to all sources of healing, including consumable items.

ABSOLUTELY not. [When attempting to equip it to Susie...

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dang

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two items occupying the same memory space is, like, NES-style bug

restive comet
sharp lodge
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i wonder if deltarune's metanarrative will involve commentary about how having multiple save slots affects how people play games
cause the save slots do have some minor differences so far, and shadow crystals can carry over into other save files
i feel like more people have done the weird route than undertale's no mercy route, and while you could say that it's because it doesn't have any really hard fights, i would also say that it's because having multiple save slots lets people feel like they can experience the weird route without its consequences affecting their "main" file
and that hypothetical commentary could maybe culminate in whatever we do to end the weird route having an affect on our other save slots, kinda how doing no mercy in undertale taints the pacifist ending

low surge
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I’d buy it

sage needle
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Yeah, that's not a bad read

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Especially with the little stars for completing each save slot

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Clearly Toby wants us to use them

low surge
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I doubt Toby would just allow you go get away scott free with youre genocides

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Weird route isn’t really at that tier yet but I think it’s gonna be bad but in a lot more personal level of that makes sense. Like I don’t think we’re gonna wipe out Hometown, but it’s gonna be more intense in a way I think

dense cargo
low surge
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Contents of Asriel’s dresser is the one I remember

sharp lodge
dense cargo
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Huh, never heard of that. Interesting.

low surge
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It’s pretty minor, I mean how often do people pick anything but the first slot in most games?

dense cargo
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I very rarely do, with the notable exception of this game. Used all three slots when playing through the most recent chapters, since I was never sure if I'd have to reset after missing something.

low surge
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Same here

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Especially chapter 3

dense cargo
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Turns out, I did have to reset. I ended up replaying both chapters from near the beginning, since I managed to miss both secret bosses on my first play-throughs.

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I do wish the game was a bit clearer on the cut-off points for some things, but I guess they wouldn't be quite as secret then.

gentle hollow
golden haven
sharp lodge
# sharp lodge i wonder if deltarune's metanarrative will involve commentary about how having m...

i feel like the weird route is designed to be played alongside a normal route playthrough
so far, while it's made significant changes like berdly getting hospitalized or what's been going on with noelle, it's nothing like undertale's no mercy route, which altered the game's story almost entirely pretty early on
while the weird route does make major changes, so far the story's not that different

dense cargo
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Makes sense too, considering the game's episodic releases

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i think the main thing is the game's focus on fate and "your choices have no meaning"

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with a pre-established prophecy that you can't stray too far from (yet?)

sour mesa
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I'm skeptical of giving deltarune's themes predictive power just yet, because like, i'm not convinced we'll know what the themes are doing until later

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Speaking of weird, I wonder if anything's gonna come of a cancelled weird run in chapter 2

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Given that lets you keep the ring

lethal ferry
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I’m more interested in that idea for post chapter 4

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Considering all the other things

rose swallow
timber widget
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How so?

rose swallow
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with early chapters going out of their way to say "your choices don't matter" and seemingly presenting you with a bunch of choices that have no effect

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then for Gerson to eventually subvert that by saying you shouldn't let the prophecy stop you from making your own decisions

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like telling you to design a robot for Lancer which is immediately destroyed and didn't matter...but it comes back later and ends up being repeatedly relevant

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and the whole focal point of Kris being a vessel with no agency, but actually having their own schemes and decisions

lusty cypress
sharp lodge
foggy python
amber jolt
sharp lodge
low surge
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Saw someone point out how in ch4 weird route during the Noelle scene (and at the end) Kris starts to turn sort of grey. Wonder if that is just like a lighting change thing, or if it’s more. Maybe Kris being “used up” isn’t so much their body dying as it is us making them into our vessel. Killing Kris as a person but retaining their body as our own. Kris expends their use as an individual and we replace them wholly.

analog burrow
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tricky tony what are you scheming

rose swallow
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is that fanmade?

amber jolt
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the twisted sword is currently unused

rose swallow
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oh I didn't know I was in the code already

amber jolt
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yep! It requires the purecrystal

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which I assume is made from all the shadow crystals

rose swallow
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yeah I know the crafting recipe is there, I just didn't know the item was already in the code

foggy python
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holy shit my runs are way more consistent post patch

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for ch3 shadowmantle i got to the final attack first attempt, threw the 2nd, and beat them on the 3rd

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took me hours to get there originally

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i think a no hit of that fight is genuinely possible for me now-- if i really set my mind to it

rose swallow
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I think there's a high chance the way it had been was an error

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making hitboxes so much bigger than they look is so uncharacteristic

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when almost every hitbox in undertale/deltarune is smaller than it looks

foggy python
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ywah im pretty sure it was unintentional

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but like

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that was my run killer

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i have only two attacks other than the hall of swords that i was ever seriously worried about ruining/outright ending my run otherwise

low surge
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Maybe I can finally do the knight thrn

foggy python
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I personally found it a lot easier, I'd definitely encourage giving it another shot. If you're doing the rude buster spam then having that turn in the early game not suck major ass lets you build and keep momentum a lot more consistently, ime

low surge
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Awesome

rose swallow
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there are people who fight the knight without rude buster spam?

foggy python
low surge
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Madness

loud fulcrum
ripe harbor
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if you choose not to do it, it shouldn't be because the game slaps your hands with a ruler for doing so, and vice versa

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though it could mess up the game once you actually break it and not feel like a punishment (its what you asked for)

ripe harbor
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It was a theme strong enough by chapters 1+2 that you could use it to predict Susie's general arc in 3+4

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your place in the world generally, both in a social sense and then literalized with the magical prophecy nonsense

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It forms the core conflict of Ralsei & Susie's stories so far, and a huge amount of Kris'

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Maybe the main conflict in Kris' story - it ||depends on if Dess' dissaperance and Kris promise is also hitting that space||

ripe harbor
# ripe harbor Identity, imo

this is why I think you can't highlight "Your choices don't matter." without the other half "Nobody can choose who they are in this world." as arc words

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I think there might be some investigation in future chapters of what it means to choose something fullheartedly even if it's been prophecized.
The panels lack context, its possible that by the time the tragedy rolls around, Susie will have a different take on it.

amber jolt
low surge
# ripe harbor I hope it actually doesn't 'punish' you specifically for doing it because I thin...

I’d imagine it more like a pacifist run after you did no mercy. But only if you went the full way through with the weird route and didn’t abort at any point. I’m not sure how it’d be done, but I feel like if the point of multiple slots is to have multiple simultaneous games running, and there is that same level of connection between plot and game mechanics there at least should be some acknowledgment that you’re doing a weird route in one and normal in the other. Maybe like ERAM/FRIEND/Whoever taunts you or asks why one world isn’t enough for you or why you don’t have the guts to act the same way every time. Not so much punishment (unless like you said a weird route “breaks” the game and corruption leaks into your other files) but at least acknowledging it

ripe harbor
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yeah that could be fun

timber widget
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Hm,

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(Weird) ||If the shadow crystals are how we make the pure crystal, then, since you don't get Spamton's on the weird route I don't think, getting the twisted blade would thus necessitate beating Spamton Neo on another save and getting the crystal from the hole, wouldn't it?||

ripe harbor
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(you do get it on Weird)

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||It just appears in your inventory, along with the Puppetscarf.||

wheat adder
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Portuguese Jumpscare

mortal lion
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deltarune is my only escape from this bullshit called mcdonalds ballpit 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

low surge
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Kris remember when you used to come over to my house and you’d break the seventh seal and the deepest darkness would flood the land and a great wail of mourning and lamentation would shudder the earth fahahaha that was so much fun why don’t you break the seal anymore what happened to us Kris?

strange cloud
inland hare
ashen tide
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Awful

ripe harbor
sour mesa
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lol

inland hare
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Noelle is freaky

low surge
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Kris 100% watched those “prank” YouTube channels that were just about terrorizing people

rose swallow
sharp lodge
low surge
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What’s the over under on Asriel actually knowing what happened to Dess?

restive comet
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Yesn't

rose swallow
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people speculate a lot about asriel because there's a lot of anticipation for him in the plot

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but i can't think of anything in the game that indicates he has anything at all to do with anything dark worldy

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aside from just his relationship with dess

lethal ferry
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yeah there is currently no direct correlation

low surge
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I just wonder if he was with Kris and Dess

wheat adder
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I have a feeling Asriel will serve a metanarrative purpose as the character who has learned to move on and isn't stuck following escapist adventures or trying to bring Dess back, etc

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Which might become a point of contention or conflict? At least within Kris

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Although another part of me also expects he'll either show up pretty much as the climax of the story is reaching a boiling point, right after the climax or he'll just not show up at all.

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Like either he's extremely important to the narrative itself
Or he's just a minor character that'll just be there for the conclusion of the narrative
Or he's just entirely unimportant and might as well just not show up

low surge
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Interesting take, admittedly I’m of the opinion he’s Not Having A Great Time, but I feel like that would probably be a better direction seeing as he was probably the person closest to Dess besides like Noelle

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I imagine he will definitely show up, and with how much Toby and gang have been teasing him I can’t imagine him being entirely inconsequential

wheat adder
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This one gave me a good chuckle

sharp lodge
clear frost
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(i can ship it without issue seeing how the weather couple is fine with polyamory)

lusty cypress
lusty cypress
clear frost
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see he says that but also i hate him so what can be done

low surge
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Rouxls engineering the most complicated polycules you’ve ever seen all around a mutual attraction for him physically but completely hating him as a person

wheat adder
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The card based relationship system strikes again

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homestuck strikes again

ripe harbor
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I'm leaning against, I think, if just because it seems Asgore's obsession with the conspiracy supernatural elements strained the family's relationships

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if literally everyone but Toriel knew that stuff was real I don't think it would've played out like that?

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Kris was young enough (+ affected enough, if the art therapy room means anything) that it could be written off as a trauma response with Asgore 'taking it seriously' playing into delusion.

ripe harbor
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Dark worlds shaped by the perspective of the Fountain Maker.

Tenna clearly mirrors Asgore in some major ways (Calls Toriel 'Tori', desires a return to the past, clingy.)

Tenna EXCLUSIVELY shows romantic / sexual undertones towards male characters. (email yaoi, flirty jpn dialogue towards Mike, 'flirting' with Mettaton, comments on Roulxs` ass size [was looking])

What did Kris mean by this 🤔

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🤨 🛻 🐐 🏳️‍🌈

dense cargo
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Hadn't thought about Tenna mirroring Asgore

low surge
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God forbid a man have a lurid whirlwind gay romance with their best friend in their college years, do that once and suddenly everyone thinks you’re some sort of fruit

low surge
# ripe harbor depends on if he was Lost Where The Forest Would Grow I think

My take has always been that the four kids went and got lost in the woods, but whatever they saw cause at least Kris and Dess to come back. Noelle remembers getting lost in the woods by the church and Dess wiping her tears with Asriel’s jacket. Noelle wasn’t there for whatever happened to Dess, up in the air if Asriel was imo. Just because he was there doesn’t necessarily mean he saw it happen though, perhaps only Kris did. I really hope he gets some decent screen time with all the buildup he’s been getting. Being a Dessriel truther aside, I really want to know more about his relationship with her seeing as the two were so close.

lusty cypress
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I like the theory that the Tree is Kris' repression mechanism

ripe harbor
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I wonder how relevant it will be on the main route without the eggs

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if its tied to the Bunker and Dess going missing, it's probably going to be elaborated on regardless

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so the eggs are just a little bit of extra perspective on it all?

tropic valve
lusty cypress
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It may be that the tree is relevant but not eggman
Eggman may just manifest through the lost and forgotten

ripe harbor
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whats the general feel on Sans in deltarune. & the theory I've been seeing that he's from Deltarune?

delicate cave
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Iirc the theory is because he and papyrus "just showed up" in Snowdin, plus the general weird around them and Gaster

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So there's just this ambient vibe that the silliness could be Something More and not just bugs bunny rules

ripe harbor
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the really odd thing, imo

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is that if you take it as true, it has a lot of really weird implications about Sans in Deltarune

sour mesa
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Picture of three smiling people with the label "don't forget" is suggestive

ripe harbor
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theres not enough time for him to get all the weird backstory references to quantum physics and time travel in the run time of Deltarune's plot-

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is he already a time cop?

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He moves into town the exact day Dark Worlds start getting opened up, he's got these ambigious ties to Gaster - who's getting more relevant each chapter and has something to do with the spooky bunker,

ripe harbor
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Its starting to get harder to believe he's just a random store clerk, when you take it all seriously

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he's pretty adamant about his job as a "Janitor"

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he cleans up "messes"? Is that the joke?

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weird guy

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you take him unseriously, its all just Sans Undertale Funny Moments and not worth a second thought
you take him seriously, it implies he's some sort of MiB skeleton time-cop

strange cloud
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That song playing, a few moments before you see sans again at the Dreemure house

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It feels to specific for sans to not come from Deltarune

restive comet
ripe harbor
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but then theres the massive question of how much he knows at the time, and if he's got a mission, and if his interactions with Toriel are a part of that

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it changes the feeling of the scene if he's just a store clerk having a good time, versus someone whos concerned with 'reports of timespace anomalies'

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who just so happens to show up the week of the Roaring, and starts 'befriending' the mother of someone right at the center of it all

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and I don't know which way to take it

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Idk if I like the hidden agenda writing as much as if he was just a random guy

strange cloud
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Admittedly I’m currently leaning towards Sans atm not having any particular like, plan or mission

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But that something will happen that’ll cause all that weird shit he talks about in undertale

restive comet
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Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik was Kris's therapist before he started his imperial superindustrialist conquest /j

ripe harbor
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he's still got his funny teleporting and meta-references

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and sans is just enough of a shitpost that I could 100% buy its all just a bit

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but..... squint

dense cargo
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I mean, something was always going to be up with him either way right, what with the reaction in ch 1 if you talk to him like you've already met?

ripe harbor
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mhm

restive comet
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Yea

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He does say with a sarcastic wink "Weird to say 'nice to see you again' to someone you just met"

ripe harbor
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and he's still got connections to Gaster

dense cargo
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Also, is the only evidence for the "time cop" thing that he says "our reports"?

ripe harbor
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are those connections from Deltarune? Has he already met / been involved with Gaster nonsense?

ripe harbor
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more than anything that gives me time-cop vibes, tbh

dense cargo
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mm

ripe harbor
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some sort of officially recognized authority, or organizational mark

dense cargo
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I don't know, I feel like it would be. Out of place? In both UT and DR.

ripe harbor
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could just be a specific lab, but
then you hit the "What lab?" question if he goes from Hometown -> Snowdin

dense cargo
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Like there's everything in the games' settings. And then there's a time police

rose swallow
ripe harbor
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before chapters 3+4 I didn't really think it was literally Sans undertale

dense cargo
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For the "our", there's a lot of different ways you can interpret it tbf.

ripe harbor
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with "The Place Where It Rained", I'm thinking about what changes if you look at it all as the same guy

dense cargo
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Sans is plausibly some kind of scientist, probably involved in some unclear, pre-existing scientific activity, with other people (as the workshop hints). That's where the plural could be from.