Undertale and Deltarune

[inland hare]

The NEO form, ||as you are surely aware from undertale, famously has extremely high defensive and regenerative abilities||

[ashen tide]

||and he's obsessed with the idea of getting the family together again||

[inland hare]

||Ralsei?||

[ashen tide]

||I think Ralsei is Asgore's idea of what his son is like, and he might be responsible for putting stuff that forms him in every dark world||

||I also don't trust Asgore like that, he's acting a lil bit too goofy in serious moments and it almost feels like an act to me but that's def me thinking too much about it||

||but he's also like suspiciously present nearby to a whole lot of dark worlds||

[inland hare]

Also one thing ||I doubt despite the voice on the phone ominously talking about the police being sacrificed I doubt that means, you know, death||

The knight ||originally was planning on nabbing Toriel and I doubt Kris, even if they are being manipulated, would ever agree to a plan that would result in a single hair on Toriel’s head being harmed||

[wheat adder]

||I think my main issue with the Knight not being Dess is all the things connecting the Knight at least indirectly to Dess. From the horns, to the bat that turns into a sword, to the left handedness and the lost girl leitmotif in Black Knife||

[ashen tide]

||To be fair Toby Fox isn't above leitmotif being reused in different ways for different characters that are only somewhat thematically linked||

[inland hare]

I think ||Asgore’s characterization is kinda a genuine goofball who’s way in over his head||

[ashen tide]

||Lost Girl would make about as much sense if it was about someone related to Dess and involved in her dissapearing||

[ashen tide]

||to me it either hides someone who's involved or who's still secretly looking into stuff||

[wicked bear]

ok ok, also did i ||just kill Berdly?||

[wheat adder]

||Yes and no||

You'll see

[wicked bear]

in that case

[inland hare]

My issue with Dess being the knight is that I don’t understand her motive for doing any of this at all

She can’t be trying to ||free herself from the dark world otherwise freedom leitmotif would be plastered left, right, and center of black knife||

[inland hare]

I mean yeah, ||the corkboards in Carol and asgore’s offices indicate that they are still working together for a mysterious cause||

[wicked bear]

i was planning on stopping weird route here and go do chapter 2 as a goodie now(and same for the rest of the game) should i just keep going and do goodie path later then?

[inland hare]

||you hit point fo no return||

[ashen tide]

Like I think Asgore ||is either looking into the weird events in parallel or he's involved in them, he's near the church right before it turns into a dark world, but there is also the offhand mention that he only goes to church at night, part of me is also thinking that he may be insisting on giving flowers to Kris and Toriel because they could turn into something specific in the dark world and he knew they'd get in one soon||

[wheat adder]

||I think we just don't know enough about what happened to begin with not also write that character off if that makes sense? Like we don't really know what exactly happened to Dess besides just disappearing and that maybe she's in the game's code kinda like Gaster?||

[wicked bear]

||nope! i have a save slot from before starting the adventure in chapter 2!||

[inland hare]

Ah

[ashen tide]

||she moved to a different town and the the town in Deltarune just has a really strong sense of pride in their own town and that's why everyone talks about her like she's gone forever/dead /s||

[wheat adder]

||Maybe Dess went crazy with the realisation they're all inside a game?||

[inland hare]

I feel like that ||would make her too similar to spamton||

[ashen tide]

You know

we know one character that can ||morph||

and has ||incredible power||

[inland hare]

And would put ||the freedom leitmotif into the knight’s theme||

[ashen tide]

||the roaring knight is actually the Annoying Dog||

[wheat adder]

||Honestly we don't even know who exactly we are in relation to the game's story besides a SOUL, or why Kris did whatever summoning or pact to get possessed by us||

[wicked bear]

Well i think i'll just keep going as evil now and do goodie save later

[inland hare]

I just think it’s also really funny for Knight to be in universe designed based on edgy sword magician characters

[wheat adder]

I mean ||We know UT Asriel Dreemur boss design is a silly Deviant Art OC in the DR universe lol||

[ashen tide]

I love the reveal that he's ||basically wearing his choir clothes||

||Asriel's OC is basically the equivalent of those christian sonic fanfics||

[wheat adder]

Lmao yes

||Rainbow wings and choir clothes but also trying extremely hard to be edgy||

[inland hare]

Edgy sword magician character he only started playing as because his parents teased him endlessly about green egg laying lizard

To the point of hosting green egg themed party for him

Anyways

I have an explanation for ||knight seemingly having antlers||

||it’s goat horns with ribbons||

[wheat adder]

||I feel like we're getting into Occam's Razor territory here||

[inland hare]

Lmao

[ashen tide]

||I think the Roaring Knight is Kris :)||

[inland hare]

Whoops

Ends of the ||horns are sharp, like goat’s horns, while holidays antlers are rounded||

[ashen tide]

||actually the head is Gerson dual wielding hammers||

[inland hare]

Now that could ||be the result of knight edgifying themselves||

[ashen tide]

||Something I am curious about is the Vessel and what place it has in this||

||because i'm 100% convinced we're gonna see it again at some point||

||call it gut instict but Chapter 1 doing a whole "build your antagonist" bit with Lancer and Susie's Thrash machine feels like foreshadowing||

[inland hare]

Yeah

I’m guessing ||at the end of the weird route you get your vessel||

The ||Angel gets its desire||

At some point in the alternative ||Kris might fully betray the group and side with the Knight, and we get the Vessel to pilot instead||

[ashen tide]

||dude I love Off||

[inland hare]

Either that or the vessel will come to life and try to murder us all

All the possibilities sound about as likely tbh

[ashen tide]

Roaring Knight is actually ||the original starwalker||

Okay no joke

when ||Starwalker walked off with the Rouxl Polycule I laughed out loud||

that shit was so funny

Starwalker is so funny for such a simple character

also Rouxl, what a bi icon

I love that he's insufferable and yet somehow has game

[timber widget]

Absolutely insane pair of chapters

[ashen tide]

he's just like me fr fr

[timber widget]

So much has happened in such a short span of time

[ashen tide]

when Kris looked at the screen and said "this is the story of undertale" I cried

[timber widget]

Toby answers like half our questions to spill out twice as many

[inland hare]

We got ambushed by the|| final boss in a scene reminiscent of Wild last boss||

[inland hare]

i do wonder why alvin reacts with like

alarm

||when you ask him about the shelter||

like that's an odd reaction right

[analog burrow]

Alphys says ||it’s the only thing she’s seen unnerve Undyne||

[wheat adder]

||It really feels like quite a few people know that there's something down there and that whatever is down there is fucked up and they're just covering it up||

[inland hare]

yeah

||whatever is down there its fucked up||

[analog burrow]

||Even if it is as simple as “people are afraid of the shelter cause a kid went missing there”||

[analog burrow]

||Knight after 1 Black Shard hit:||

[ashen tide]

||apparently if you no hit the knight Kris coughs to signal to the Knight to wrap it up||

||which is insanely funny to me||

[wheat adder]

||The Black Shard literally dealing x2 Susie's damage to the Titan was kinda insane ngl||

||I still have no idea how to trigger the Knight fight checkpoint… I somehow went from dying to it a lot to just locking in and clearing the fight…||

[inland hare]

||yeah instead of the knight just suddenly dropping its guard Kris is like "uh yeah we should probably wrap this up"||

[inland hare]

||the black shard regular attack outdamages rudebuster by far against titanspawns||

deals like

||2400 damage per hit?||

[wheat adder]

Yup

[inland hare]

yeah

||are we baddies for slaughtering titanspawn||

what does ||purifying titanspawn even mean||

[wheat adder]

||No clue tbh, I don't think so…? Like if the titan is just the fear of the dark manifest… idk tbh||

[ashen tide]

||no joke when it said Purified I was like, oh okay we're Off now||

[inland hare]

||if they wanted to live though tbh why does killing them permanetnly increase my HP||

[wheat adder]

||I'm guessing purification is basically akin to banishment. Turning the darkness incarnate into just normal darkness||

Tbh Deltarune takes like a hefty load of inspiration from Off

[strange cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-brainrot-chapter-4-kris-susie-gif-15966662288268586261

[wheat adder]

That's not spoilered

[ashen tide]

God dammit

[wheat adder]

Still not

[strange cloud]

Oh yah I heard discord shat the bed

[ashen tide]

uh

[strange cloud]

Spoilers are very inconsistently working now

[ashen tide]

wild

okay

[strange cloud]

Because discord is terrible

[wheat adder]

That's weird

I mean yeah discord being terrible isn't weird

But spoilers not working is just odd

[ashen tide]

new deltarune relases
when people would talk about it most discord spoilers stop working

they did it on purpose

/s

[inland hare]

next year another deltarune

but is it going to be SUMMER

WINTER

[strange cloud]

Also as for me ||I really can’t imagine it’s anyone but Dess at this point. The fact you meet them in a room guarded by 1225, the fact lost girl is in black knife, the fact they summon a bad before it becomes a sword. Like, idk I feel like having it be someone like Asriel or the Vessel at this point is kinda just, having a twist for the sake of it?||

[inland hare]

SPRING

[ashen tide]

if next year the spoilers don't work

[wheat adder]

Deltarune will be tomorrow at least two more times

[inland hare]

fall is right out

[ashen tide]

we know its the agenda

[strange cloud]

||Toby fox is unpredictable yah but this goes beyond unpredictability, to just kinda, idk not having the foreshadowed twist because someone already got it you know?||

[inland hare]

yeah but my thing is that if Dess is th Knight ||I can't even begin to imagine the motive for doing anyt of this||

[ashen tide]

Spoilers its actually ||Berdly||

[strange cloud]

Oh truvke

[ashen tide]

this is the truth nuke Toby doesn't want you to know

he told me this

[wheat adder]

||Berdly wants to bring Nerd Haven to the world through the Roaring||

[inland hare]

also

how did the roaring not happen already

[wheat adder]

||Everyone with an IQ under 140 will go to mega hell||

[ashen tide]

||Berdly joking about making Kris fall for them was insane||

[inland hare]

||basically any nerd with any idea can open up the fountain wheever they wnat with any knife||

[strange cloud]

Also, I’m really not sure ||Ralsei describes the titans as non sentient basically, so their spawn probably is similar. But then like, why do you track killing them? And the fuck does purification even mean||

[inland hare]

yeah

[strange cloud]

||Is their a functional difference between killing and purifying with light? They both cease to exist either way||

[strange cloud]

Rizz

Unimaginable Rizz

I’d fall for him too

[inland hare]

and if its the ||broken bonds that make us stronger, why does killing non-sentient darkness fetus strengthen us||

[ashen tide]

I hate to admit that Berdly is growing on me

[wheat adder]

Also the fact that ||the Titan's initial silhouette is literally a realistic human being facial profile… it concerns me with the implications||

[inland hare]

you get stronger ||if you stab them with a knife until they die||

[wheat adder]

||are we some sort of titan adjacent being||

[ashen tide]

||you don't actually get stronger if you purify them||

||which is interesting||

[inland hare]

BECOME STRONGER

[strange cloud]

||Yah, if the titans are the fear of the dark and not knowing, then maybe it’s fight vs purification is just, stingingly wildly at your fear instead of just turning on the lights?||

||because the fear of the dark isn’t defined by there actually being something scary, it’s that you don’t know.||

[ashen tide]

||way i view it, killing them is killing "the darker dark" while purifying them might just be understanding they still need to be there? and so instead of removing them you end up converting them to light, which can still change back into darkness||

[inland hare]

whih is why i'm wondering if ||killing titanspawns somehow endarken us||

[strange cloud]

||So killing is maybe the equivalent of just, swinging a knife in the dark not caring what you cut?||

[inland hare]

which would explain ||t least somthing about the knight?||

[wheat adder]

Also ||why does the most secret route thus far basically give you a super weapon for killing titans and titan spawn||

||Okay, second most secret||

||most secret os weird route||

[inland hare]

||could be facing your fear vs banishing away the source of the fear||

[strange cloud]

||That actually does make me kinda agree with Charlie some more, the black shard of just a small piece of the knight’s weapon, so that does imply the knight can like, destroy these things if they want||

[ashen tide]

it is also weird how ||both chapter 3 and 4 of the "secret boss" routes actually require you to fight||

[inland hare]

||isn't it actually interesting that the Knight's personal weaon is actually perfectly designed to slay drkness and titans||

you'd think the opposite

[ashen tide]

||The twist is going to be that the town was a Dark World the whole time||

[strange cloud]

Yah in general ||we’re actually getting fights which require violence. The Knight, Gerson (albeit there it’s playful) and the Titan all need you to actually use the fight command, or at least spam rude buster||

[wheat adder]

||I mean tbh at this point I just don't believe the Knight's objective is really aligned with the darkness because like… the Roaring would already have happened by now and the Knight seems to be on the same side as Kris and it's implied Kris needs the soul to close fountains and purify titans and spawn so… really what the heck even is the goal||

[strange cloud]

||Hell in the Titan fight, it’s Ralsei who screams we need to hit it. Ralsei||

||Mr healed the king ralsei||

[inland hare]

yeah

which is why I didn't|| hestitate to immediately kill the spawn||

but I got chills when it said ||you are becoming stronger||

[dense cargo]

||I think you technically don't have to fight in Chap 4||

[ashen tide]

||My other somewhat wild prediction is that the game is priming us to have a switch of protagonist and we'll play Susie at some point for an extended period of time||

[strange cloud]

Yah ||Whatever the knight wants, I don’t think it wants to start the roaring. It clearly knows the prophecy, so it knows the roaring is doomed the fail. I think it’s trying to do something else using the roaring||

||like some unintended effect of it we’re not aware of yet||

[wheat adder]

||it wants to bring the nerding, because it's Berdly/j||

[ashen tide]

||I also think that Kris could very well stop us if what we're doing is in any way opposed to the Knight's plans in too big a way||

[strange cloud]

I still think ||the vessel will come back eventually||

[wheat adder]

||Another point of worry about all this is Kris, and why would they be okay with possibly endangering their own mom to accomplish whatever their goal is||

[ashen tide]

||funny :)||

[dense cargo]

Incidentally, having just fully completed Chap 4, what are people's opinions on it? I liked it quite a bit better than Chap 3

[wheat adder]

Both are peak and absolute kino

[ashen tide]

I think both chapters are really good

[dense cargo]

||I think I didn't really like Tenna that much||

[strange cloud]

I think ||Kris is in a similar position to Ralsei. They know the prophecy, and as thus they’re kinda, ok with putting their loved ones in danger. After all, Toriel doesn’t die in the prophecy, so she must end up fine in the end||

[ashen tide]

Chapter 3 having the ||rhythm|| minigame was my biggest "oh I was born for this" moment

it felt like that was made for me specifically lmfao

[strange cloud]

Oh I did fucking TERRIBLE on that

I’m awful at rhythm games

[inland hare]

i think the Knight ||opening up the fountain and summoning the titan in chapter 4 is it more or less asserting "lol I could've ended the world whenever I wanted to if that's what I wanted."||

[wheat adder]

||I found Tenna to be really interesting tbh. It feels like in a way he was following the general trend of the secret bosses of being forgotten and unwanted things? But then Gerson also completely shattered that expectation for the secret bosses||

[strange cloud]

Yah

[inland hare]

like it's a very frightfully playful act

[dense cargo]

Same. ||For a while I thought you'd have to play them to get the code to Mike's room, and I was fully willing to just give up on it||

[wheat adder]

Saaaame

[ashen tide]

||Tenna is funny because I think everything he does oozes the energy of someone keeping facades during really stressful times||

[wheat adder]

||I love it that you can still play it in castle town later||

[dense cargo]

||I think he felt too similar to Spamton for me. Which is kind of also the point, but still||

[wheat adder]

||I mean the characters are pretty much connected so…||

[strange cloud]

||”Parents fight sometimes, tell ‘em kris!”||

[inland hare]

Kris on the floor cryng

do you think kris will get a kris

[ashen tide]

Eggs Husband

[dense cargo]

||Also having to do the boards repeatedly to get S-ranks was kind of frustrating||

[strange cloud]

We’re Kris’s Kris

[dense cargo]

||It's not hard if you know what you're doing, but it was still kind of annoying||

[inland hare]

you can just bribe your way past the guard with 1500 dark dollars if you want

[ashen tide]

||I got both board as S ranks first try so maybe that's why||

[wheat adder]

||Just get S rank the first time like me :P /j||

[strange cloud]

Nah gotta be points

[inland hare]

oh right

[dense cargo]

||I thought you couldn't second board?||

[inland hare]

hmm

[dense cargo]

||Unfortunately I am notoriously bad at video-games||

[strange cloud]

Although, where do you ||buy a S rank? I couldn’t find the NPC that sells it||

[wheat adder]

You can also get ||Z-rank||

[strange cloud]

Ah yah you can’t

[inland hare]

||wel Z and S are basically the same||

[dense cargo]

||But I did like the actual secret games you have to play to get the Shadow Mantle||

[inland hare]

||I stabbed white robe girl like a million times because I thought i was supposed to kill her||

[wheat adder]

Did anyone try to put the ||chapter 3 egg inside the T or Z rank rooms btw?||

[dense cargo]

||Probably my favorite part of the Chapter, even if I felt a bit bad about doing them||

[ashen tide]

Here's hoping this one does spoil

[inland hare]

||is mike real||

||mike...||

[wheat adder]

||Mike is a joke boss||

[ashen tide]

||There's a real mike||

[inland hare]

yeh I saw the ||real mike floating in the void||

[ashen tide]

||like Mike is 100% real and its not the three guys you face||

||but he's just a mic||

||which is infinitely funnier than anything else it could have been||

[wheat adder]

||a gigantic mic, proportionally to the dark world||

[dense cargo]

||We dont know that's Mike, it could be an unrelated giant realistic microphone||

[inland hare]

pic unrelated

[wheat adder]

||Considering Toby went to lengths to joke about Fan theories for Mike, I really am just gonna throw in the towel and just accept Mike was supposed to just be a reference/joke||

[ashen tide]

||honestly that giant mic floating in the void just felt like Toby trolling people reading too much into Spamtom saying "we don't need mike"||

[strange cloud]

This Pippin is literally me btw

[ashen tide]

||the line "we don't need anyone else, we don't need... mike" even funnier because he's litterally just saying they can be loud enough to not need a microphone or sound check||

||or potentially that a mic would be counterproductive to their schemings||

[dense cargo]

||Wasn't there something with Mike in the Spamton Sweepstakes too?||

||EVERYONE IS GOING TO PAY [5 easy payments of $9.99] UNTIL THEY'RE ALL IN THE [Disposal Area] BEGGING FOR MY [$#&*]!!!

EVERYONE... EVERYONE EXCEPT...

... Mike...||

[ashen tide]

||you don't fuck with the sound guy ever in showbiz baby||

[dense cargo]

Either way it was entertaining to see so many of the pre-release theories get disproven live, including my own

||I no longer think Alvin is the Knight, unsurprisingly||

[ashen tide]

||kris is the knight theories going out in shambles at the end of chapter 3 is crazy||

[strange cloud]

||Honestly I do think Alvin made the church dark fountain though||

||who would know Gerson better?||

[strange cloud]

Most knight theories were just shot dead

[inland hare]

maybe the ||Mik boss is a hint||

that ||the Knight can be multiple people working together||

[dense cargo]

||He may be in on the "conspiracy", but he's not the knight||

[ashen tide]

the Knight is 3 people wearing a trenchcoat

[strange cloud]

I do think ||the knight is the knight, but also other people could have made the fountains||

||we already know Tenna confused Kris for the knight||

||and like, it’s debatable if the knight can even exist in the light world anymore||

[dense cargo]

||If they can't, how was Undyne dragged into the Shelter?||

[strange cloud]

||I think that’s because it’s like, night time||

||Its dark enough, but I definitely don’t think they can exist during the daytime||

[inland hare]

Ralsei ||doesn't sem to think that he can exist in the overworld period though as a darkner ||

[strange cloud]

||that’s true but I don’t the knight is a darkner tbh. I think they’re a third, weirder thing||

||the fact there is legitimately 0 color on their sprite, something we only ever see on titans, is kinda pulling me to that||

[dense cargo]

Has that been implied?

[strange cloud]

||No but it just feels like a natural extension of Ralsei’s description of dark worlds||

[ashen tide]

Ralsei at the party when they face the final boss
||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQIxEtSJEd4||

[strange cloud]

Ralsei suddenly ||manifesting the puppet scarf when another Titan appears||

||damage Ralsei trust||

[inland hare]

ralsei will one day just suddenly pull out the instant kill knife

[strange cloud]

Ralsei gun will become canon trust

[inland hare]

ralsei will light it up

[ashen tide]

Ralsei uses a scarf because he knows if he used anything else he'd kill instantly

[inland hare]

ralsei blunt is canon

[inland hare]

i think susie is sus

[wheat adder]

Literally where are her parents tbh

[sharp lodge]

||when did that happen?||

[strange cloud]

||Tenna during their fight describes the knight as the one who made the fountain||

||It seems like Ramb is the only one who actually knows Kris did it||

[sharp lodge]

||must have missed that, thanks||

[dense cargo]

Chap 3 ||Hey, at some point a Shuttah in the overworld brings up a "legend hermit" or something like that, and says that Kris knows them well. What's the deal with that?||

[inland hare]

Oh Kris actually helps us sometimes || https://youtu.be/vp3_qMm49U4?si=b25sFykxLeDIsqmZ||

They subtly ||cough when you hit Pie||

||https://www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1l973ct/funny_event_that_happens_if_you_try_not_to_fight/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button || LMFAO

[sour mesa]

HAHAHAHHAHA

[inland hare]

There is no mercy here

[sharp lodge]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=992Ot-p3Bdk||

spoilers for all 4 chapters so far in this vid

also, shout out to them for pointing out that ||black knife quotes a part of the world revolving other than the freedom moteif, i was listening to it the other day and knew i heard part of it before but wasn't able to put my finger on it||

[inland hare]

the knight is clearly mr pizza pants

also

what happened when ||Catti and Kris tried to summon a demon||

||must've been a big enough of an incident ifSusie knows about it||

[hidden pivot]

||theory:asriel is a monster dusted baseball, dess is a monster dusted bat. both are the knight.||

[wheat adder]

||Honestly, we have no idea how monsters function in DR, but I found it interesting that in the Dark World explanation in chapter 3 they showed an amalgam… makes me wonder if it's foreshadowing||

||Principally because the Knight's monochrome and lack of precise form is… interesting… hmmmmmm||

||And it's kinda insinuated that the Determination extraction machine in UT is connected to gaster somehow since it looks so much like Sans's Gaster Blasters||

||What if the knight is an amalgam with extreme levels of determination?||

[hidden pivot]

||we have seen that happen before with undyne||

or ||the second monster statue scary gerson could be a clue||

[wheat adder]

||The main issue with my line of thinking is that we just don't know how different monsters are in DR compred to UT…||

||Or just how connected both games are to begin with||

||Honestly with chapters 3 & 4 I have less hope that they're connected at all… the NEO armour in 2 made me strongly believe they were heavily connected, but idk anymore||

[pastel comet]

Ive cried so much at this silly game

[wheat adder]

I honestly haven't cried yet which is weird

I cried a lot in the end of UT pacifist tho

[strange cloud]

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZP8r1gAnD/

[wheat adder]

Lmao

[strange cloud]

||https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZP8r1xXcs/||

Chapter 4 spoilers

||Kris playing piano is actually so fucking important to me I’m gonna cry||

[pastel comet]

||Undertale didn't make me cry. I'm high school, I had friends who were homeless teenagers. I'm a coach now, and the characters in the game remind me of them, of the friend I had. He's doing well now, which is good ||

||You know since Susie is homeless, it just hits me hard.||

[wheat adder]

Watching that reminded me of something
||I've seen very few people comment on the fact Susie's eyes go red when she opens the fountain in Chapter 4||

His Theme still gets me all choked up

I don't even know why

I played through all of UT on the 3rd before Deltarune 3 & 4 and I still got all choked up in the end

[ashen tide]

hey rate my ship

[pastel comet]

⭐

[sour mesa]

i thinketh they would lookest better with... ah, i shan'tn't say

[loud fulcrum]

Just finished chapter 4, holy cannoli

[dense cargo]

||Holy's the right word||

[inland hare]

||Determination colored||

I do think ||Susie has high compatibility with our soul considering she can channel our determination directly to use red busters||

[loud fulcrum]

||Sans is fucking my mom, Noelle's mum is in a conspiracy with the kid who's body I'm possessing, the priest is probably in on it, we probably are all gonna die at the end of the prophecy, Susie saw it, Ralsei with blood on his face...||

[inland hare]

Well maybe ||Kris and Susie will die. We’ll be fine||

[loud fulcrum]

||Wait till mum's church group hears we're the legendary heroes, she'd be head of the choir if she wasnt already||

[inland hare]

I have a feeling that ||Sans is fated to sacrifice himself for the rest of the town though||

[velvet olive]

what does ||compatibility with the soul mean?||

[dense cargo]

||Why?||

[velvet olive]

||Ralsei is also able to draw on it for DualHeal in Chapters 1 and 2 also||

[loud fulcrum]

||God, maybe. We jettison them so we can close the final fountain...||

[inland hare]

Because I get the impression that ||sans of this universe is the same person as sans of undertale||

[dense cargo]

||No, at the end of the game Toby Fox personally comes to your house and beats you to death||

[loud fulcrum]

Also, chapter 3 spoiler ||when Kris winces when you kill the Susie and Ras sprites, and then backs away from his sprite leaving the TV...chills.||

[inland hare]

||and there’s gotta be a reason how sans ended up stranded all the way out there||

[loud fulcrum]

||I thought the titan was going to be a human head from it's outline. What if Toby is staying away from being photoed because he's the final boss||

[dense cargo]

||I was almost kind of relieved when I saw that. With all of Ramb's talk about this game being what Kris really wanted to play, I was worried they were gonna go for Kris being "actually evil", and that would have been lame.||

[inland hare]

Tony fox

[sour mesa]

that's true

[loud fulcrum]

||Is that the "see in the dark" person's name? Ramb? I didnt catch that. Unless it's the chapter 4 secret boss, I missed that going through||

||Oh wait, the plug person||

[inland hare]

Yeah

[loud fulcrum]

Right right, got it

[inland hare]

Anyways Tony fox will probably kill us all

[loud fulcrum]

Yeah I wondered about that too, I actually ||said "No" when Susie asked if I liked these kinda games, cause I didn't really enjoy the boss fight lmao.||

[inland hare]

She told me to stop playing

[dense cargo]

It was prophesied

[inland hare]

Before offering me a half drunken flat soda

[loud fulcrum]

Same here

[dense cargo]

Idem

[crystal shale]

and advice for the ||Knight?||

[loud fulcrum]

||I think her advice is "stop playing if you don't enjoy them"||

[sour mesa]

lock in
||shadow mantle helps, i've seen people suggest putting it on Susie to avoid having your damage output interrupted||

[dense cargo]

||I'd say unless you are exceptionally skilled, the mantle is a necessity, considering it basically one-shots you otherwise. Also yeah it's good on Susie||

||I also gave Ralsei the Flex Scarf, and Kris the Tenna Tie||

[loud fulcrum]

Oh you were legit asking lmao, my bad

[crystal shale]

yeah

[inland hare]

yeah put ||shadow mantle on susie||

[loud fulcrum]

||let rasiel die, it's likely you won't have many revive mints so those need to be focused on Susie. Rude buster as much as you possibly can, regular attacks aren't really worth it. Kris works best for just throwing food at Susie.||

[inland hare]

have ||her spam rude buster whenever possible||

||make a point of learning her pattern||

[loud fulcrum]

||write down the attack pattern, it's the same every time. I'd say guard for the "sword hallway" but that's because I find it basically impossible not to get ethered by it||

[dense cargo]

||Yeah you should really defend for that one until you get the hang of it||

[loud fulcrum]

||I genuinely don't think I can do it without guarding, I go cross eyed and I really have no idea how you're supposed to wiggle yourself into position. I think the Knight is a decently hard fight in every other aspect, but I think the sword hallway are actually bullshit||

[pastel comet]

||Go to the right of the box on the first and third hallway. Only the swords in the box can hit you, so you reduce damage dramatically. Look even lightly right of where you are and follow that. Don't look at the soul directly.||

[loud fulcrum]

Thanks, maybe I'll go back and give it another shot, I've got a save for it

I've got issues with processing visuals and coordination as is, so ||maybe I'm just not built for these super secret bosses. I just remember having a much less difficult time with Spamton NEO, even if it was still tough||

[pastel comet]

I do too honestly. Some of the attacks felt genuinely upsetting to me because there was a lot to watch.

But ||there are a lot of ways to cut it. With the dagger shots, there's an audio queue that helps a lot. Stay mostly still, and don't move more than you have to. Blade hallway, hug the front and focus on the emptiness. You're trying to hit blank space, not dodge the knives. The radiating cuts are easy enough if you go from one corner to the opposite. The meteors are also not that bad, I think? They have forgiving hotboxes. There's a circular blade hallway, too, but it's easier if you stay near the center of the board.||

[sage needle]

||Oh also for the second knife hallway you can dodge it by only using left and right . Up and down are unnecessary||

[sinful crag]

||ooo youre the first ive seen to rec going to the right; i did it by going all the way to the left to give myself more time to watch the right side of the screen||

[sinful crag]

||Nah ch3 secret boss is miles ahead of the other secret bosses thus far, its truly a brutal endurance test, i wouldnt get too down about it! ||

[sinful crag]

||if you can keep all 3 alive, literally just spam attacks and rude buster if you can get good enough to not need to defend||

[analog burrow]

||one star||

[strange cloud]

Chapter 4 spoilers

[clear frost]

AAAARRRRGGGHHH

[strange cloud]

Saw a thought on Twitter I really think is interesting

Kris, is effectively disabled

And the soul is their mobility aid

Without the soul they have chronic exhaustion, being barely able to walk most of the time

And it’s made worse by that mobility aid making them be unable to do certain things like play the piano

[inland hare]

Oh!

Noelle ||according to game files can equip swords ||

So she might indeed || be the Girl of the prophecy||

[strange cloud]

Yeeeee

Including ||the twisted sword||

[inland hare]

||she can equip Black Shard||

[sharp lodge]

adjacent thought ||gerson's summary of the lord of the hammer mentions the heroes coming to save the queen, but the weird route is the only one where she's in trouble||

[inland hare]

Well clearly Berdly the true hero 😛

And the fun gang are the villains

[strange cloud]

THIS POST WAS FACT CHECKED

TRUE

BY TRUE SMARTOPIA LOYALIST

[inland hare]

||do you think Noelle will be the cage with human parts||

[strange cloud]

I don’t think so

||she doesn’t have human parts, she’s got monster parts||

[inland hare]

She will have human parts

||when we put our heart inside her||

[strange cloud]

||Thats the soul though, the soul was mentioned separate from the human parts||

[sinful crag]

ONLY REAL
SKY HIGH IQ
ENJOYERS WILL UNDERSTAND!!

[analog burrow]

||Weird route having Kris as an unwilling puppeteer is so chilling, and I can only imagine how it’ll grow more unnerving as it progresses||

[sage needle]

||Seriously hearing about how Kris went to Noelle's house off screen to apologize for everything fucked me up. Then everything else in that scene happened||

[analog burrow]

||Who…? Who’s going to hear?||

||Me||

[sage needle]

||Like the genocide route was one thing but why am I allowed to be a creepypasta in Deltarune||

[analog burrow]

It’s so fucked

A lot of the secret stuff in general had me tensing up

||Toby knows to take full advantage of Deltarune not being a horror game||

[strange cloud]

Also ||im realizing snowgrave Noelle is the only character besides Kris who knows they’re possessed||

[analog burrow]

||It seems re-equipping the ring is the point of no return in terms of our control over Noelle||

||and we’ve all seen what happens to a puppet without its strings||

haunting stuff

[strange cloud]

Also I’ve come to realize I think I’m a Kris/Susie/Noelle Throuple truther

Legitimately I love all these ships I need all of them

Injected into my veins

[sage needle]

Wow no love for the #@&# Gang battle throuple?

[strange cloud]

See for that I only particularly ship Susie Ralsei

I think the second thing I’m realizing is that everyone has a crush on Susie in this game

Like goddamn

[analog burrow]

Catti enemies to lovers arc when

[strange cloud]

In chapter 5 trust

Susie will be the harem protag she was always meant to be

[analog burrow]

||Sure hope nothing bad happens to her later in the story haha ||

man, only one year…

[sage needle]

We're going to have Deltarune before SF6 dlc finishes

That really puts things into perspective for me even though I don't play street fighter

[restive comet]

Ch3 end spoilers:
||So, will any of you believe me if I said that I beat The Roaring Knight on my first actual attempt today???||

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/515674509613989913/1135590520622682142/16908162703946048775865186820116.gif

[sour mesa]

yo?????

[restive comet]

||The whole party survived the final attack with only 1HP before Susie busted hard||

[restive comet]

Ch4 ending spoilers:
||I have a theory about why Susie bleeds actual blood unlike other monsters, that Susie could be the child of a human and a monster which also lead to her getting ostracized throughout her childhood||

||Although I am going off a hunch||

[velvet olive]

aw hell

[velvet olive]

curious what that hunch is though!

[inland hare]

My theory is that ||monsters in Deltarune just kinda bleeds because the monster with most connection to Deltarune in undertale, sans, also notably bleeds||

[dense cargo]

||Wasn't there a monster in one of the earlier chapters who asks Kris "what it's like to be made of blood" though? That would imply that Monsters normally aren't.||

[crystal shale]

||There is yeah, in Chapter 1||

[restive comet]

||I kinda wonder if Sans even is a monster or something else btw||

[inland hare]

Sans ||is a skeleton clearly||

[dense cargo]

||At least nobody in-game(s) seems to think he's anything other than a monster||

[wheat adder]

||Maybe monsters that bleed are special in some way…||

[dense cargo]

||Maybe Susie just had a ketchup packet in her hands||

[dreamy gorge]

gosh the music in chapter 3 and 4 have been banger after banger

I have been listening to ||Second Sanctuary|| so goddamn much

it's just so beautiful

it's nice that Toby give us a free game to come with the music album

[lethal ferry]

||third sanctuary has been playing in my head non stop. fucking 11/8? into 9/8? into mixed 12/8 & 11/8? insane||

||makes me want to learn how to play it||

[amber jolt]

Also ||Ruder Buster and From Now On (Battle 2)|| are really good ||battle tracks||

[lethal ferry]

yeah absolutely

the music just slaps so hard

[dreamy gorge]

Ah yes, ||Ruder Buster||, also known as the ||divorce song||

[strange cloud]

While I do love ||fraud knight posting, I do think there should be 1 rule:

If you do it you need to upload a video of you doing the fight hitless, because I know 99% of the people posting it are dying to the split box attack||

[inland hare]

I am dying ||to the sword summon||

Funnily enough

[loud fulcrum]

||I actually don't mind the split box so much, even though it does a shit ton of damage||

[inland hare]

Yeah

I always have the hell of a time dodging tracking attacks

[loud fulcrum]

For real

[lethal ferry]

just thought of something (chapter 4 stuff)
||Remember these lines from chapter 1? "This world is full of all kinds of people. In the end, how we treat them makes all the difference. So let's try out best to get by without FIGHTing. If we can manage to do that... I believe this tale may have a happy ending. Otherwise I fear that... you may not... find the result favourable."||
||This is very relevant.||

[ashen tide]

||https://youtu.be/6JLB11gKbuU?si=v8xga-GI9Tv0SMPH ||

This cover fucking rules

[vestal owl]

||for some reason my brain completely freaks out when it comes up and I slam into the projectiles every other time||

[inland hare]

The Knight was probably ||aiming at grabbing toriel again with the church right||

But ||got thwarted by a clever skeleton||

The Knight ||definitely is someone Kris looks up to/is closely connected to, so I think the list of suspect is narrowed to either Asriel or Dess, who are also coincidentally left handed||

I think ||Kris and Knight shares a lot of physical habits though in a way that makes Asriel a little bit more likely||

||though I guess we don’t know how close Dess was to Kris exactly||

[strange cloud]

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZP8reWkyW/

[strange cloud]

I think it’s fair to say ||they were probably really close, as it seems like them, Noelle and Asriel basically always hung out together||

[inland hare]

Yeah

[strange cloud]

SHIT I DIDNT PUT THE LAST BRACKETS

THAT WASNT SPOILERED

[analog burrow]

I suspect ||Asriel and Dess were an item, so her disappearance probably hit him particularly hard||

[inland hare]

||Kris and Knight shares a lot of mannerisms like they have the exact same pose when they are pointing and finger gunning||

||they also slouch similar way to look creepy||

[analog burrow]

magma… i remember you’re spoilers.

[strange cloud]

[inland hare]

So yeah

I’m on camp “it can go either way between these two”

[strange cloud]

Tbh, I still think ||Asriel is just in college. I don’t think the game is trying to trick us there||

[analog burrow]

Crackpot theory: ||There was a fourth friend who went MISSING missing. Retroactively erased (very very unlikely lol)||

[strange cloud]

I will say though ||Asriel being the knight is more likely then Kris having killed them lol||

[inland hare]

I do wonder about ||Knight shapeshifting into an orb thougj||

Like

Why does it do that

[strange cloud]

||I thought it was supposed to look like a baseball because bat||

[inland hare]

||what’s up with weird aliasing effect when it takes damage||

And my crackpot theory is that ||it’s some kind of hologram/remote digital avatar||

A video game avatar

[analog burrow]

Or perhaps… ||a shadow||

[inland hare]

Yeah

[strange cloud]

Device theory… 2

WERE ANOTHER LAYER OF FICTION IN BBY

[inland hare]

If it’s a ||remotely controlled avatar it also opens up a lot of theory potential for the culprit||

||because more than one person can be the controller||

[analog burrow]

Oh also! The connection between the ||dark and stars|| is something I expect the become very relevant

[inland hare]

Maybe when ||the knight drops its guard suddenly, it’s because someone is passing the controller to someone else more competent||

[analog burrow]

||dark/star being an elemental pair, the save points, the star across the titan’s face, etc||

Oh and that fucking book in the roots room

[inland hare]

Star was ||always associated with asriel||

But ||dark is associated with Dess I imagine||

[analog burrow]

||Dessriel confirmed||

[dense cargo]

||Personally I think Dess is more likely as the Knight. The association with cold seems to make it obvious. Though it could be a red herring||

[inland hare]

What if

Dess and Asriel ||are both the knight||

[dense cargo]

||Also why do you think this?||

[analog burrow]

||Carol knight reads as more of a red Herring to me, especially with how you receive a normal call from her at the end of the weird route, and the Knight’s call about coming over could easily be referring to the church||

[inland hare]

Weird ||digital aliasing effect. The fact that it’s introduced in the chapter where you control video game avatars in the game. The way that game specifically brought attention to the fact that Adriel’s favorite game avatar is sword magician girl||

[analog burrow]

||And so wept the fallen star, making rivers with its tears. Then, slowly, from the bitter water, something grew.
It looked like glass.||

[strange cloud]

God I love this image so much

[strange cloud]

If the theory Kris is gonna lose their hand is correct, and they lose the ability to play piano at the end of the game I’m gonna do something drastic

[wheat adder]

I will actually flip

If that happens

[wicked bear]

I didnt read magma's message all the way

Is it a spoiler?

[strange cloud]

Nah

It’s just a prediction people have about future chapters

[wicked bear]

Ok ok

Im stuck to being evil

Will do chapter 3 and 4 now as i assume im stuck to the weird route

[sour mesa]

wahoooo

[inner pond]

I personally think, and will continually espouse, that ||Dess is the Knight and the shifting shadowy form is a result of being trapped in the Dark for too long. like being trapped in a dark world for too long makes you turn into some kind of demi-titan that can no longer exist in the light world for extended periods of time. but the knight clearly still has to be a lightner in at least one key aapect: it can open dark fountains||

maybe ||the dark world dess was/is trapped in within the shelter is like. you know how darkners arise from objects when a place becomes a dark world? what happens if you open a dark fountain in a completely featureless space? four blank concrete walls, a floor, and a ceiling? like, say, a spare room inside an underground bunker...||

[sinful crag]

||i think chapter 4 revealing that the Dead can exist in the dark world is a big one for me on like... why we dont see Dess in the light world||

[sharp lodge]

||also, what happens when you open one outside? all the dark worlds we've seen so far are indoors||

[crystal shale]

https://bsky.app/profile/tobyfox.undertale.com/post/3l7stsnpdnn2u

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Bluesky · Oct 31, 2024, 2:14 PM

[dense cargo]

A DARK ZONE is a very catchy song

[crystal shale]

Chapter 3

[sharp lodge]

https://youtu.be/6Vfc61BjhUQ?si=xrToceJ_X79mZm6b

[golden haven]

still kills me the second time watching

cackling

[strange cloud]

||https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZP8rRrFcn/||
chapter 4 spoilers

[strange cloud]

I headcanon figure berdly as just Scott the woz

In terms of personality and job

[strange cloud]

I gotta say how much Ralsei’s arc is affecting me

||I apologize, a lot, I always have. Ever since I was a kid I apologized for everything. And now I apologize for everything. Everyone always tells me to stop saying sorry so much but all I can say is sorry again. I don’t know how to stop, I’ve always had it ingrained in me to apologize for everything I ever do. And seeing Ralsei break down like that, and then apologize for being selfish at the end, I see so much of myself in that||

[sour mesa]

https://bsky.app/profile/weedlejuice.bsky.social/post/3loqhkewv4k2u

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Bluesky · May 9, 2025, 12:48 PM

[gilded canopy]

Number 1 Narrative Haunter 2025

[wheat adder]

Wait holy crap

||The Deltarune version of "It's Raining Somewhere Else" is called this
https://youtu.be/aSc7Yuwn1Ao?si=vWZIBEhd4CEJWapF||

[lethal ferry]

yeah

[timber widget]

||Seems to me like a Dark World only happens when Darkness completely covers an area, whereas an open-air fountain would just, like, pour darkness indefinitely||

||(presumably until it covers the planet, which is a chilling thought)||

||Although in that case the darkness isn't "flowing wild" so wouldn't form a titan to my knowledge. I dunno, it's a mystery||

||Like, the chapter 3 fountain was made with an open door, and all that happened then was that Darkness just spilled out the door||

[loud fulcrum]

||When does that play?||

[wheat adder]

||Basically right at the end of chapter 4 in the light world at night||

[loud fulcrum]

Riiight, gotcha

[dreamy gorge]

Maybe ||darkness is self sustaining after a fountain was created even if the place was later exposed to light?||

[inland hare]

Iyeah ||it’s one of the main reasons behind my deltarune sans = undertale sans theory||

||except I think deltarune sans is undertale sans’ past while undertale is our past||

[wheat adder]

||Time can be fucky like that||

[inland hare]

I think he made a promise with ||both toriels to look after the kids which explains why he doesn’t intervene in undertale||

Which is to say sans is a huge simp

And for whatever reason ||he’ll be exiled from deltarune universe to undertale||

[wheat adder]

||Honestly worrying this world is doomed somehow and Sans escapes the world ending.||

[crystal shale]

||is the Knight's healthbar real? I feel like I'm barely scratching it||

[wheat adder]

||yeah it's real, they just have like 7k+ hp?||

[inland hare]

||just keep attacking||

[sharp lodge]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1lb41uq/ch3_spoiler_roaring_knight_gaming_by_snowtenkey/?ref=share&ref_source=link

[inland hare]

||you don’t need to knock it’s hp down to 0. ||

[wheat adder]

||Yeah, the fight goes into a hard script with the last 3 turns after you take like 25% of the HP?||

[amber jolt]

chapter 4 spoilers

good lord what a thumbnail

[lethal ferry]

||roaring knight gaming||

[crystal shale]

Ill take it over spoilers tbh

[amber jolt]

heheh... why so deltarious? - the Susier

[timber widget]

Why so susious

[strange cloud]

|| https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZP8r8HVSX/||

Chapter 4 spoilers

||The knight group chat is one of my favorite jokes from these chapters||

[ashen tide]

the thumbnails for deltarune tracks are hilarious now tbh

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo--yAW0jGs ||

Chapter 4 spoilers

[dense cargo]

||First Sans, now this||

[loud fulcrum]

||Let's be real, Asgore could never bag Holly, while Sans has effortless rizz||

[loud fulcrum]

||I REMEMBER YOUR TOO TOO 😳 ||

[amber jolt]

godddd I love these stupid brainrot memes

[inland hare]

||https://youtube.com/shorts/0Rf9Rmq9FNg?si=K3s47HlS-uvI1cc5||

[analog burrow]

Realized something potentially of note

[inland hare]

what is it

[analog burrow]

The second screenshot is after ||Susie asks why she couldn’t have talked to you in front of her during the weird route||

[inland hare]

Is Susie glaring at us coldly

Would Noelle destroy us all

[analog burrow]

Up to interpretation, but this in combination with the ||ShadowCrystal/Glass interaction at Noelle’s house||

and the ||PureCrystal combining with the ThornRing is possibly painting a worrying picture||

Also, I’ve yet to hear mention of Kris’s chapter 4 title in ||the Weird Route||

||Oh no ||

[sharp lodge]

||not sure what that means||

[inland hare]

The toy bead is used as a metaphor in chapter about the weird route allowing you to escape the railroaded fate

[analog burrow]

||The blue bead is broken off during the weird route||

[inland hare]

Yeah

You basically removed ||berdly from the story||

[analog burrow]

||which has very frightening implications given that Kris is described as “broken off” after the scene with Noelle||

[inland hare]

We will ||remove Kris from the story||

[inland hare]

Indeed

Once we get our ||vessel Kris will have outlived their usefulness||

And can be safely disposed of

[tardy glade]

really interesting find in the files (ch3+4 spoilers) ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8U5tnnCvQI||

[lusty cypress]

So I guess the problem of darkners turning to stone is that each illusory narrative may reject darkners from other worlds
The roaring would be an overflow that muddles meaning and narrative, rejecting darkners and turning them to stone

Also, half a press reference

Oh fuck tgat voice sounds like an archangel from cassette beasts
So that's Ann Tenna

Asriel liked playing as fiery magician girl, I see
egg
Asriel gonna come from college different

Rouxl wandering into a couple's argument

[sage needle]

Rouxls in chapter 3 is great

[lusty cypress]

Strategic homewrecking for the win

(I'm watching nimi's playthrough)

Ann tenna has a lot of nostalgia

[inland hare]

||Sword magician girl specifically||

One of four reasons why ||I suspect he’s the knight||

[dense cargo]

||Would this imply that the Knight is Asriel after transitioning?||

[lusty cypress]

Lanino crying lol

Chapter 3 ||lol susie has tried selling stuff to a vending machines||

Lol at ann tenna ||having no nostalgic mention of asgore||

[strange cloud]

Any of y’all remember Deltarune paper trail?

[dense cargo]

No

[lusty cypress]

Gacha in deltarune

[strange cloud]

Damn, just me

[dense cargo]

Well after checking I can also say that I never actually heard about it before

[lusty cypress]

What ||the watercooler is a fight||

||do not become addicted to water||

Ramb confuses me

[sour mesa]

weird little guy

[lusty cypress]

||No idea what she is, but she mentions queen, king and ann tenna in kris' make believe game||

||Interesting note that Ramb claims darkners do not change||

||Again ralsei sends you away from kris to susie||

Nimi is weirded out by moments with Ralsei

||Ralsei bribes? No dignity||

[inland hare]

Ralsei as you know is a prince

[lusty cypress]

||Lol ralsei deodorant||

[inland hare]

And princes are historically associated with institutional corruption

[lusty cypress]

||Ralsei is happy to lead for once||

||Rouxl is with elnina now||

||He wants both||

[analog burrow]

He’s bisexual because ||the Rouxls go both ways ||

[dense cargo]

Ch 4 ending ||Hey could the ending of the chapter claiming we've reached the halfway point imply that there's going to be an eight chapter?||

[inland hare]

there is ||something in the code that apparently indicates existence of Chapter 0||

which would mean ||yes, 8 chapter total||

[dense cargo]

||In the code there are also graphics for chapters eight, nine and ten||

||But having four extra chapters seems very unlikely||

[crystal shale]

||I genuinely am not having a fun time fighting the knight, it feels so bullshit||

||But I need that Shadow Crystal||

||At this point I'm tempted to ask someone for a save||

[dense cargo]

||How far have you gotten so far?||

[crystal shale]

||Beginning of the Fourth Round a few times. After hours of trying||

[vocal elbow]

||Speaking of Shadow Crystals and there possibly being more than 7 chapters, kind of weird that the spot in the Chapter Select that keeps track of how many crystals you have has more than 7 slots.||

[crystal shale]

||I say this and litearlly just get to his final attack for the first time||

[lusty cypress]

Chapter 3 ||The song goes hard||

[crystal shale]

|||I still hate his sword throw attack||

[sour mesa]

It does!

[lusty cypress]

Chapter 3 ||"Tear down my house! Tear down my kids!"||

[strange cloud]

Chapter 4 spoilers

||So like, Susie is totally sleeping in the dark world tonight right?||

[lusty cypress]

Chapter 3 ||wow ann is a washed up guy like spamton. What a theme of obsession with the past. The king was also obsessed with the past||

[crystal shale]

and did it again

I can do this

I am locking in

[lusty cypress]

||Ah I get it. Theater was built over the kitchen||

Chapter 3 ||Susie: Where the heck is this?||
She did it! She said the thing!

[dense cargo]

||I took me like three days to get to that last attack for the first time, but after that I managed to finish the fight after only a few more attempts. You're at the finish mark, I'm sure you can do it!||

[lusty cypress]

||Dark world food won't feed you||

Nimi: I'm taking the blue pill, so I can stay with Ralsei forever

[inland hare]

Well yeah ||it’s made up lies||

[lusty cypress]

Is that a response to me?

[inland hare]

Yeah

Dark world ||is made of lies||

[lusty cypress]

Yup

[lusty cypress]

It's cool. ||Dark world made from negative light. A World of Illusion||

[crystal shale]

Also random idea

Vague Chapter 4 spoilers ||What if Kris is the final boss of the Weird route?||

[lusty cypress]

Chapter 3 ||Toriel is in the gacha||

||Ann tenna: oh no, the family's fighting again||

||Spamton theme eh?||

Chapter 3 ||Lol kris at the save point wonders why so many prison like location feature in the adventures. It's the gnostic themes, kid||

What does nimi mean by girldinner

[lusty cypress]

||lol everything falling apart for ann tenna||

||Tenna cancelled||

||Bro Rouxl is having relationship issues||

[dense cargo]

||He is the relationship issue||

[lusty cypress]

||I feel bad for him||

||He scammed tenna and took his bank account||

Rouxl thought ||the main characters were a polycule||?
Lmao

[inland hare]

Yeah

Obviously the true|| polycule is Susie-Noelle-berdly-Kris ||

[dense cargo]

||No Ralsei?||

[lusty cypress]

Lol what a save.
||Rouxl gets dumped
Rouxl: This was actually all part of my plan||

Uh? ||The wrong guy turned to stone. The tv control I think, while card cadtle guys are fine|| interesting

||Poor ramb. Became stone too||

[strange cloud]

Chapter 4 spoilers

[crystal shale]

I DID IT

[dense cargo]

Good job!

[strange cloud]

Hell yah

[lusty cypress]

Chapter 3. Damn ||Knight got hands||

Gotta wait nimi do chapter 4 or look at someone else playing
Anyway ||what is up with the knight. Their body works oddly compared to other characters||

[sharp lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-BFfeSBTps

[clear frost]

||don’t worry about it||

Anyways I do not understand what is happening what is the ||ANGELs appearance is it us is that why it was black|| why does ||the TITAN look like an angel is it because it formed in a church or is that just how they look|| why is ||there so much Pink and Yellow|| ALL OF THIS IS CHAPTER FOUR SPOILERS

[analog burrow]

||Fuck I just realized “Chapter 5: The Field of Pink and Gold” is another FRIEND thing||

[sharp lodge]

||https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xfOlGbiHxo0||

crazy detail in chapter 4

[analog burrow]

||Kris is Dess ||

[tardy glade]

ooooo that's really good... sifting through the code has been leading to some very good clues lately

[restive comet]

Emotional support Breon

[lusty cypress]

So chapter 3 end ||The knight is very weird in terms of body plan. And looks like a mini titan.
Either they are some titan related creature. Could be free willed or a sort of familiar
Or they are someone heavily affected by the darkness in some way||

[lethal ferry]

||My completely unsubstantiated, has-zero-evidence theory is that the Knight is made of darkness somehow||

[wheat adder]

||Idk why but I've decided they're an amalgam related thing||

[restive comet]

||Could be a combination of those things||

[timber widget]

||I wrote a fic some time ago wherein someone does that "focus your will and stab the earth" thing to make a fountain, but stabs Dess instead, and it makes her all messed up before darkness just erups from the wound. I suppose there's room for something similar happening, if what you said turns out to be true||

[restive comet]

||Jfc that would be horrifying||

[strange cloud]

Had a dream of chapter 5 that it was about chasing around ||Dess in the light world who was just a human wearing a hood with a black hole in her face||

||also Gaster was there||

[loud fulcrum]

||Every Deltarune theory be like||

[strange cloud]

||He was just running around, and also his original sprite. Like everything else looked like real life, except Gaster who was still a 2d sprite||

[lethal ferry]

||3d deltarune real||

[ashen tide]

Not a dream that happens

[analog burrow]

Cant wait for us to enter ||the shelter in chapter 6/7 and it switches to first person||

[strange cloud]

That’s true! Toby Fox told me after I called him

Also (chapter 4 spoilers) this image is quickly becoming my “piles of Asriel’s dust” for these chapters

I think about ||Mayor money|| constantly

[timber widget]

||It's very efficiently laid out||

[dense cargo]

||If we assume Carol made the Church fountain, couldn't she have done so before going to her house?||

[strange cloud]

||But then how would she contact Kris? Phones don’t work in the dark world||

[dense cargo]

||Secret ultrafast dark world phone network built using Mayor Money||

[strange cloud]

TRUUUUUUUE

[dense cargo]

||But more seriously, yeah I hadn't considered that||

||Wonder who made the fountain then. Maybe Alvin?||

[strange cloud]

I think so

||Ralsei’s talk about how darkners based off loved ones can only exist in very specific darkness kinda makes me think so||

||Alvin kinda developed a complex about writing because of his dad but it’s clearly he loved him and knew him well||

[dense cargo]

||That would raise the question as to whether he took Gerson's hammer for personal reasons, or as part of a wider plan||

[strange cloud]

Could be both tbh

[ashen tide]

||my wild theory is that maybe every dark world is created by a different person||

[strange cloud]

I’m kinda thinking the same

||Im beginning to believe the knight in its current state can’t even make a dark fountain the light world||

||We know it can exist to a certain extent in the light world because it kidnapped Undyne, but I can’t imagine in a particularly stable state||

[dense cargo]

||I think we just can't know for now||

[strange cloud]

Yah

That’s just my current theory

[ashen tide]

Hey

so like

actually

hold on

this sorta works

||because of how shifting the Knight is, and how they have a bunch of different traits||

||maybe the Knight isn't exactly a single person, but an "idea" or a feeling of some kind||

[strange cloud]

Ehh, I wouldn’t go that far

||I think the knight is one being, it just relies on others to make dark worlds that it can exist in||

[ashen tide]

||like someone mentioned the Knight having Amalgam vibes||

[inland hare]

The knight|| in chapter 3 and chapter 4 do seem subtly diffrrrnt||

Like ||chapter 4 knight lacks the feral mannerisms of chapter 3 knight almost entirely. It behaves like a playful, malevolent, but intelligent person||

[dense cargo]

||Apart from the roaring, how else is the ch 3 Knight feral?||

[strange cloud]

||Im not sure I super agree, the knight in chapter 3 was still hitting a pose before it turned to you, it’s roar sounds feral but could also just be something like a battle cry. As well in chapter 3 it doesn’t really act feral once it summons it’s bat||

[dense cargo]

||Yeah during the actual fight it's mostly composed||

[strange cloud]

||we also just, didn’t really get enough interactions with the knight in chapter 3 to really tell how it acts otherwise||

||we see it, we fight it, then it kidnaps Undyne and leaves||

||we get a lot more time with the knight in chapter 4||

[dense cargo]

||Also it might be obvious but I think the big roar is partly just to establish that this is, in fact, the Roaring Knight||

[inland hare]

Yeah

[strange cloud]

Yah

[inland hare]

I guess it could be ||applying self buffs like a video game character||

[strange cloud]

||also it knighting Kris if you beat it definitely implies some sorta intelligence to the chapter 3 knight||

[inland hare]

Yeah

[strange cloud]

||it knows Kris is it’s ally and holds back vs them||

[dense cargo]

||Does anything indicate this?||

[inland hare]

Oh no I’m just guessing

But I do think it’s interesting ||you can also self buff in that fight||

[strange cloud]

Yah

[dense cargo]

||It ending the fight when prompted by Kris if you don't get hit at all is also telling||

[strange cloud]

||”DESS STOP TRYING TO AURA FARM JUST WRAP IT UP ALREADY”||

[inland hare]

||“KNIGHT THIS SOUL’S FREAKING CRACKED!!!”||

Do you ||think we’ll get another sans boss fight||

Where we ||actually get to see his dodge animations||

[dense cargo]

||My baseless prediction is we might get a fakeout||

[inland hare]

Btw whose garden ||do you think will burn in the fires of jealousy||

[strange cloud]

||asgore||

[dense cargo]

||The obvious suggestion would be Asgore's flower shop||

[strange cloud]

||Hes the only guy with a garden||

[dense cargo]

||But it could be the Hollidays I guess||

[inland hare]

||Holodays have a garden too yeah||

[vestal owl]

||I feel like Asgore is far more intrinsically connected to flowers and gardens for it not to be him||

[dense cargo]

||Even if it is the Hollidays garden, Asgore could still tie into it. He is gardening it||

[wheat adder]

||Asgore's shop has double doors and double doors = dark worlds so||

[crystal shale]

The worst part about Deltarune 3+4 is that I have to wait a whole other year for the next update

Im so engaged

[wheat adder]

Yeah and the worst part about 6 & 7 is that we might have to wait more

[dense cargo]

At least it's brief compared to the previous waits

[crystal shale]

Fair

[dense cargo]

||Also I think Ch 5 taking place in the Hollidays garden makes sense if you subscribe to the theory that the Dark Worlds mirror each area of Undertale backwards (Card Kingdom being New Home, Cyber World being the Core, etc.). This would mean that Chap 5 would have to relate to Snowdin, which makes more sense for the Holliday home than for Asgore's shop.||

[lusty cypress]

Huh chapter 3 ||Beating the knight, the end cutscene is susie and ralsei cut down, and kris forced to kneel before being downed. A bunch of blackouts ensue in the cutscene||

Also ||the knight has an eye within the chest||

[amber jolt]

note that ||At the end of the fight, Kris gets knighted||

[strange cloud]

I wanna look like Kris Deltarune

[lusty cypress]

||The knight is cool. Totally an appearance that'd be fun to have||

[clear frost]

||agreed||

[amber jolt]

Chapter 4 spoilers
Also @golden haven lookie

[sharp lodge]

||https://v.redd.it/7gjkwc39627f1||
joke about the end of chapter 3

[lusty cypress]

Chapter 4 ||huh so the town also has prophecy||
I prefer to watch with commentary from channels I like, but I dunno if I'll get spoiled while waiting for them to do chapter 4, so I checked one video I found

[lusty cypress]

Huh, chapter 3 secrets ||The sword route game says a lot about what these two darkners think of Kris.
Ramb seems to be the forbidden knowledge darkner of this route, knowing a lot about the secrets of the world and talking of freedom and chaos. He believes the sword game is what Kris truly wants, what makes them feel free, and he wants to help Kris indulge. A bit of a devil-like figure.
The fact you must kill nonstop to progress, including ralsei and susie, is odd. Specially when you consider one of the times Kris moved on their was to protect Susie, and they react well to Susie tea.
And Kris' pranks as a kid were mean, but never actually harmful, so I wonder if the game is just to vent anger
Ramb also wonders if Kris created the Fountain for fun, or some other goal.
The shadow mantle holder. They claim Kris is doing things for fun, rather odd when it seems to be the soul that decides to do the extra quests for crystals and the mantle. And the holder knows of the soul.
If you did snowgrave/weird route, they say a part of Kris enjoyed it, and the excuse of saying it wasn't them who did it||
Oh, ||Kris recoils and goes pale when susie and ralsei get killed||
I wonder ||if this is built off kris' fears and insecurities||

[timber widget]

||I see Ramb's comment as a bit of a jab at the player seeking a meaningful choice in a linear narrative||

||(And, I suppose, he just has a bad grip on what kind of "freedom" Kris wants)||

[inland hare]

Is freedom free

[loud fulcrum]

||My theory is that Kris is kind of a reflection of the UT Genocide route idea of doing that kind of thing for "fun" or to the see "what happens". I think Kris does genuinely like Susie, Noelle and Rasiel, regardless of the SOUL's involvement, but is still seeking "fun", which is why they opened the Fountain in a place where they had good memories. Asriel is off at college, their parents have split up, they don't seem to have any really close friends until this adventure begins.||

Chapter 3 secret spoilers, ||The sword route is trying to appeal to what Kris "wants" but as we see their reactions to killing sprite Susie and Ras, they are invested in them.
I think Holly has promised Kris something, maybe a Dark World where everyone can have what they want.|| Chapter 4 spoilers ||I think we see them hesitating at the end to go to Susie because they're now at this inflection point. Do they keep pursuing what they've promised they'd do, for Holly or whoever else, and try and seek a world of "fun", or go over to the friends they've newly made (with our help)||

[dense cargo]

||Who's Holly?||

[strange cloud]

From @addiearcade

[wicked bear]

Someone just spoiled i'll fight || the knight|| im so upset

They were like "have you done this thing already?"

Of course its going to be a spoiler if i didnt

Fucking hell

[lusty cypress]

Chapter 3 or 4?

[wicked bear]

Didnt say which

Im so upset

I said that i would block em till i finished deltarune cause the spoiled me last time

They asked not to

So i didnt

And then they spoil me

[lusty cypress]

That's annoying

[wicked bear]

But yeah

Now they are blocked till im finished

[crystal shale]

Chapter 4 ||Gerson beat, now to do the rest of the chapter||

[dense cargo]

||Not as hard as the Knight eh||

[crystal shale]

||lots easier yeah||

[clear frost]

||wow it’s almost like the knight is a fight you’re supposed to lose but are rewarded for beating||

[crystal shale]

||tbf theyre both Shadow Crystal fights, which is why people can compare them||

[sinful crag]

its soooooo sick i loved it

[wicked bear]

So in chapter 3 || i imagine im locked in weird route now, does ot matter if i kill or recruit folks now?||

[lethal ferry]

||afaik you should be fine doing whatever||

[timber widget]

Run me through this one

[rain barn]

❤️ = 🐀

[timber widget]

hm

[rain barn]

this makes deltarune mecha /s

[inland hare]

We are very ratty

🐀

[timber widget]

I dunno, I see it, but the similarities only go so far

[rain barn]

yeah I'm not seeing it more than surface level

[rain barn]

in seriousness have there been any mecha series about ||the robot desiring agency beyond the control of its pilot||

[sour mesa]

||this is the late stage twist of Evangelion||

[sour mesa]

I think the surface level nature is part of the joke

[lusty cypress]

He puts tge rat on his head to keep his job

Kris puts the soul on to not be a zombie/dying and have adventures

[inland hare]

I do wonder if Kris is okay

[dense cargo]

I would be surprised if they are

[sage needle]

I can think of like 3 reasons Kris is not okay

[sour mesa]

they've just been looking blue lately

[sage needle]

4 reasons

[sharp lodge]

what does the wingdings say?

[crystal shale]

||Now go fuck their mother||

[restive comet]

ASDFGHJKL

[sour mesa]

spoilers through chapter 4
||https://youtu.be/pfFSpqlsqnw?si=jlkfdhVtt88qAiqW||

[crystal shale]

Chapter 3 ||Hes not the only one aura farming||

[loud fulcrum]

||Fuck I meant Carol, no idea why "Holly" was in my brain lmao||

[lusty cypress]

Chapter 3 secrets
||So I think the whole thing is that Kris likes to test limits, explore, see the forbidden.
As has been said in Town, they have done scary pranks, and explored occultism.
This probably led to them exploring with Dess and messing around with the bunker, and whatever caused the loss of their soul.
Thus, Sword Route disturbs them by suggesting they'd place "fun" above their friends.||

[timber widget]

oooooh

[loud fulcrum]

||I've never considered they could have lost their soul and now we're playing their new one||

[inland hare]

What if ||the knight is Kris’ disembodied soul||

[lusty cypress]

||The comment about weird route/snowgrave. The holder's taunt thus fits. Kris is afraid of being complicit. Not only do they know they push limits, they may blame themself for becoming souless. Plus, tgey often veto or influence how player choices go. So the player taking full control in that route may cause the insecurity they wanted it||

[inland hare]

It would explain ||the knight’s ghostliness||

Or someone’s ||disembodied soul anyways||

[dense cargo]

||I think it’s maybe more likely that the knight’s weird ghost like qualities derive from its (currently ambiguous) relation to darkness and the Titans||

[inland hare]

Or ||why they turn into a tiny ball shaped object when they are dodging attacks||

||still really funny at the subtle joke that Undyne clearly went a little power mad upon entering the dark world and there’s like an entire field of energy spears she chucked all over the place||

[lethal ferry]

||"HOLY FUCK INFINITE SPEARS! I AM THE GOD OF THIS WORLD NGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH"||

||"Oh right I'm here on police duty."||

[lusty cypress]

||The knight ball form kinda looks like a marble, but could be meant to be an eye
On that note, notice how the start of this dark world, is weirdly like the start of ralsei's. Dust things, swinging ball things, eye motifs
Before the boss fight stage, the dark world starts getting weird, and a native turns to stone while the dice guys are fine||

[sharp lodge]

||iirc that remote dude who turns to stone is from noelle's house||

[lethal ferry]

||iirc Ralsei mentioned that darkners turn to stone because they don't "belong" in that dark world. So yeah that might have been a stolen remote.||

||The pippins have likely been there a long time||

[lusty cypress]

||I see. Pippin talked about it as if something had gone really wrong||

[lethal ferry]

||That is also a possibility. But we can't really tell without more knowledge about what "belonging" actually means in a dark world. Like, why has Ralsei never turned to stone.||

[dense cargo]

||Wasn’t there something about Ramb turning to stone slower due to Kris’s affection for him?||

[inland hare]

||wouldn’t explain how roulx card is more resistant to being turned into stone than lancer||

[lusty cypress]

||I mean. Castle Town is compatible with any darkner without turning them to stone
It's not a stretch for Ralsei, who's from there, to not become stone||

[inland hare]

Maybe ||something is special with castle town dark world?||

[lusty cypress]

||Neutral aspected dark fountain or something||

[lethal ferry]

||The only thing we know that makes castle town different is that its fountain is apparently made of "pure darkness"||

[lusty cypress]

||Universal compatibility||

[dense cargo]

||Ralsei says castle town fountain is pure darkness in Chap 2 iirc ||

[lusty cypress]

||Plus, castle town is just weird
You saw those ominous plains in chapter one. Just a desert, endless darkness, and eyes. Plus the dust thingies and the weird balls
It kinda reminds me of how jevil and spamton were in weird places in voids||

[inland hare]

Eyes similar to ||the ones on the titans in chapter 2||

[lusty cypress]

||That's why the TV world weirds me out. At the start it's similar
And those wooden walkways at the end also have an ominous vibe||

[inland hare]

Maybe it’s ||connection to Kris or Asriel that ||

[dense cargo]

||A shuttah mentions that that’s what the World used to look like until Tenna “lit it up”. Maybe it’s just the default state for Dark Worlds?||

[inland hare]

Causes ||the weird titan-ness||

[lusty cypress]

||Hmm, but cyber world had none of tgat||

[inland hare]

Yeah because ||it’s the school library||

[lusty cypress]

||I wonder if it was the Knight's presence||

[inland hare]

Well public library

[lethal ferry]

||Queen get shit done||

[sharp lodge]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1lckyqw/comic_i_forgot_how_zooted_she_is_over_the_lizard/?ref=share&ref_source=link

[lusty cypress]

||Or worlds not made by the knight have these "holes"||

[inland hare]

Yeah

[dense cargo]

||The Dark Sanctuaries don’t either though||

[lusty cypress]

||Like maybe for all the knight is a feral blade fiend, they are a perfectionist at crafting dark worlds||

[lethal ferry]

||speaking of, how did the cyber world get made. it had to have been made while Noelle and Berdly were in there, or they would have noticed it. Did the Knight sneak in through the vents or something?||

[lusty cypress]

Oh I saw a theory long ago

[dense cargo]

||Even the one Susie made||

[lusty cypress]

||The knight was gonna make it when library was closed, berdly unlocked it, knight hurried to hide in the closet, saw the kids came to stay a while, so they made the fountain in the closet and snuck away by exiting the dark world
The theory posits the knight was gonna create the fountain in the middle of the library but berdly screwed it all up||

[lusty cypress]

The what

[inland hare]

Berdly truly is the hero of the story

Ah uh

Maybe best to complete chapter 4 first

[lusty cypress]

I feel angry now. Uuuuuugh

[inland hare]

Honestly chapter 4 is easier than chapter 3

At least personally

||maybe it’s because I have the black shard though||

[lethal ferry]

huh.
||motherfucker that's why it mentions that a large person could fit in the storage closet. KRIS KNEW||

[lusty cypress]

Anyway, the theory then posits ||the chapter 1 dark world was Gerson's classroom. The chapter 2 was supposed to be the middle of the library, where Gerson's books were||

[inland hare]

Objection to the theory

Gerson was the old teenager class teacher want he?

I thought alphys was a new hire

[lusty cypress]

Anyway, this creates the funny imagery of
||"Now I will create the foun- fuck okay I will hide in the computer room"
"Fuck they're coming here, to the conveniently big closet."
"They're gonna stay? Aaaaaagh"||

||You know, if the knight is a regular person outside the dark worlds, how cooked mentally do you have to be to turn into that as your dark world form?||

[inland hare]

||maybe they just have all the endgame gear and buffs equipped||

Like how in lobcorp eventually the abnormalities stay in their cells to hide from the abominations wandering the hallways

[lusty cypress]

Lol really?

[lusty cypress]

||Imagine they hunted titanlings and crafted gear, monster hunter-style||

[inland hare]

Once you clear a department completely the monsters don’t naturally lose Qliphoth due to random events anymore

But also end game lobcorp agents are uhhhh

Weird

[inland hare]

She hasn’t done chapter 4 yet so maybe not mention anything

[dense cargo]

Oh, sorry, I wasn't aware

[lusty cypress]

Gonna start prefacing shit I say with chapter 3 or C3

[inland hare]

C3 If knight is a ||regular person in the light word it would have to be a person strong enough to sprint while carrying a grown ahh musclehead woman like Undyne and open the shelter door one handed all while being chased by Susie, one of the faster monsters||

They’d be ||superhuman||

[lusty cypress]

The thing is, didn't buy it yet, but the dam on spoilers is gonna burst
So I'm following along on channels I like
Thinking on it, I could buy the game now. I just feel bad due to having a backlog of games I got
Plus ||I dunno. If the soul/player is portrayed too antagonistically, I could feel bad. I'm not all in on "the soul is an invader" stuff, but everyone says it and told me my interpretation was wrong so shrug||

[lusty cypress]

C3 ||So Father Alvin out of the suspect list, he's old.
Whoever it is must be a gym rat, a ghost possessing a body, or works on a job that requires strength
Guess pizzapants, depending on how his job abuses him||

[inland hare]

If you ask me ||we were invited in, but that might be my own interpretation||

[inland hare]

||I dunnow old people can be pretty spry||

[lusty cypress]

||Ah cool.
Yeah I think it's likely Kris fucked around with occultist stuff, or found the soul in the bunker and shoved it in out of desperation after losing the original||

[inland hare]

Yeah

Like in undertale genocide route I mean

Us being a devil who comes when you call out our name

I don’t think we are necessarily antagonistic but we are decidedly eldritch

We don’t have to be malevolent to freak people out

We can mean the best for everyone and people would still fear us for what we are

[lusty cypress]

@glacial ibex

Though here is mostly to contain chapter 3 and 4 convos

[wicked bear]

Pipis

How do you pronounce that? Is it like "Peepeas"?

[amber jolt]

pih piss

[inland hare]

Like tiddies except p

[crystal shale]

Peepiss

[wicked bear]

Hehe

[sage needle]

Pipis room

[lunar saffron]

hello deltathread

#krusielleworlddomination

[sage needle]

World's most powerful throuple

[wheat adder]

Chapter 4 spoilers
||Someone pointed it out to me and I can't unsee it now, that the prophecy we see in chapter 4 is Snowgrave, not whatever route we're actually doing.||

[inland hare]

Yeah I agree

||Ralsei is extremely scared of snow and cold||

And ||Ralsei is trying to avert the prophecy||

You can ||actually take the boat up north where tenna won’t let you go before when he’s away from the screen||

Where you find ||a frozen wasteland, and Ralsei suddenly gets extremely stressed out and begs you to leave||

[dense cargo]

||He is? When do we see that?||

[sour mesa]

||if you're actually on the snowgrave route, Ralsei suggests that wherever you're going is worse than the prophecy||

[sharp lodge]

https://www.tumblr.com/natalieleif/786459771242987520/first-we-must-create-a-vessel-the-cage-with

[inland hare]

I do like this theory

[inland hare]

When ||the corrupted rainbow bridge appears, instead of taking it, get to the boat and sail up and up north north and north until icebergs and snow appear||

Ralsei ||will get scared and ask you to leave. Susie will accuse him of being scared of little snow||

[dense cargo]

||Yeah I saw that, I just didn't think what he was afraid of was really the cold itself, so much as going out of bounds||

[inland hare]

Mmm true

[dense cargo]

||Which still makes sense with your theory mind you||

||I do think the idea that the Weird route, the one where you think you're breaking the path the game has set for you and achieving "freedom", is in fact the one which is in a way the least free, and maybe determined by the prophecy is very interesting though||

[inland hare]

||the angel doesn’t get its desire until the end of the prophecy which would mean that if you are the Angel of the Snowgrave route, you won’t get your desire, freedom, until the end||

[dense cargo]

||Are we the Angel though?||

[crystal shale]

||The Angel might be Gaster/the Voice||

[inland hare]

But as ||Gerson shows, being obsessed with how unfree you are from fate is in itself chains that bind you ||

[crystal shale]

||Given how at the end of Chapter 4 the voices says "My Deltarune", and according to the church sermon the Angel created the Deltarune or something||

[sour mesa]

There's a few angel candidates at this point

[dense cargo]

||I think the Angel is ICE-E||

[crystal shale]

||No obviously its that one Pizza guy||

||The Warrior||

[inland hare]

I think it’s jockington personally

[dense cargo]

||It all makes perfect sense, the connection to Noelle and her fear of him, his ties to the cold and snow, and Susie's bafflement when seeing the Angel in the prophecy||

[vocal elbow]

He is important enough to be in the Prophecy.

That beard has to be extremely relevant.

[wheat adder]

||You say that but Lancer saying Toothpaste Boy was also in the prophecy||

[inland hare]

I read that ending|| monologue with baron harkonnen’s voice in my mind||

[sour mesa]

that's right
extremely important

[dense cargo]

Chap 4 secrets ||Speaking of the prophecy, what do you all think the Roots room and the stuff about the Tail of Hell is about?||

[vocal elbow]

||Kind of thought that Tail thing was supposed to be about Jevil. Same with Heaven's Call being for Spamton.||

[sour mesa]

||one suggestion i've seen is that the Angel is a comet or meteor, and the tail/tears are some disaster following it||

[dense cargo]

||As in, the Angel would just be a regular meteor?||

[sour mesa]

||well i don't know about "regular"||