Undertale and Deltarune

[strange cloud]

Theory: is Gaster real and my missing father?

[analog hemlock]

no he is not real, and yes he is your missing father

[strange cloud]

undeltrarunetale

[ashen tide]

Undertale and Deltarune

(doing a round for post names to make them more easy to search)

[strange cloud]

Fair enough

I just thought to copy the thread title

[white basalt]

dealt the rune

[timber widget]

When the holiday is in december

[sour mesa]

it's very funny that the default emote for video games is : videogames:

[inner pond]

this person has cracked the code

[glad bridge]

Hey folks, the forum experiment period is almost done so were looking for more feedback on how folks feel, tell us in #1159879685648416849

[lusty cypress]

Nanotemmies, daughter! They trans your gender

[ripe harbor]

got around to watching this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H89ZT0jjiO8

bro pulled out the Mechanism

hearing someone pull apart the construction of music was interesting

[strange cloud]

He used a doohicky

[inner pond]

the contraption

[lusty cypress]

Is performance a tgeme for the secret bosses?

[inner pond]

well we only have 2 so far so 🤷

[lusty cypress]

Third gonna be hard to be sure, due to general tv theme

[inner pond]

give it until the fourth boss, yeah

[ripe harbor]

I am a carnival ride truther

we got a carousel and a roller coaster

and the festival seems prominent - where reality and dream meet

I think thats one of the safer aesthetic motifs

I hope the religious theme continues, but 7s seems like a lot to pull from for that well

In the vaguest sense of “performance” I think its an important game theme

that each of the main trio deals with an issue of their perceived role

pressured to be and act a certain way

its something loosely connected to berdly and noelle too, but her home life is still vague enough its not a strong theme yet imo

[timber widget]

Berdly explains the extent to which his top student status is a sort of self-made act, whereas Noelle,

Assuming the blog posts are canon, her mother's behavior with her and her own contrast between online persona and irl mannerisms do paint a fairly clear picture

[strange cloud]

Yah Noelle’s performance imo is more then likely the idea that she’s fine

[ripe harbor]

yeah

its a fair read, but Ive seen enough people get really lost in theory weeds

[strange cloud]

Yah some theories really do miss the forest for the trees

[ripe harbor]

I assume we’ll get more later

[strange cloud]

Noelle is not fine, she’s still grieving her missing sister and seems to be realizing her dad may be dying soon

And her mom is becoming more and more distant

She’s not having a good time

Her outburst with queen was like, also an outburst at her mom

Just without her mom actually being able to hear it

[ripe harbor]

one of this guys conclusions was that shes got some strong gaster themes in her motifs

which
gaster is definitely one of those parts where people get lost in the trees

but given the maybe-Dess stuff… idk

[inner pond]

one classic carnival ride is like, spooky tunnel ride/haunted house type stuff

so it could be like, a Hell House sort of thing

which is like a haunted house but lamer because it has a message of 'don't do these things or you'll go to hell!!!!!'

[ripe harbor]

well its like

we got an imp

we got an “”angel””

wonder if we’ll still get… christian-esque bits in the secret bosses? multiple different mythological creatures?

two isnt a pattern, so its really all up in the air

[lusty cypress]

Well, the religion in the gane seems to be sorta Christianism
The angel in town church and the prophecy both ralsei and jevil talk about

Alternate Spamton getting hunted down while a song about the angel plays, in the cheapskate

[ripe harbor]

the symbol of the delta rune, noelle’s stuff

the lil’ F1 Helpers

Whatevers up with the angel is probably gonna be main plot, but theres something with the secret bosses
and that guy what with the 6s

[strange cloud]

Probably yah

With part of the prophecy mentioning “the angels heaven”

[ripe harbor]

but how many funky christian monster aesthetics are there?

[strange cloud]

And also Asriel maybe having some like, issues with guilt?

[lusty cypress]

Angels had a lot of strange shapes

[strange cloud]

Like he confessed to a priest, in a religion which does not have connotations of confessing your sins

[lusty cypress]

Dante's inferno purgatorio and paradiso had a lot of thibgs to draw inspiration

[lusty cypress]

Or perhaps anxiety

[strange cloud]

Yah

[ripe harbor]

the Holiday House secret boss: ||Saint Nicholas||

[strange cloud]

Boy has issues no matter what

[strange cloud]

Actually would go hard

[ripe harbor]

ofc the big thing with the secret bosses seems to be things discarded

given the intro sequence

[timber widget]

Hometown stopped celebrating christmas a decade ago

[strange cloud]

That and the lack of free will

[lusty cypress]

And places where reality is thin

[ripe harbor]

punished Ice-E

[lusty cypress]

"Reality", as those are dark worlds

[strange cloud]

Undertale Ice-E

[ripe harbor]

I love how weird both secret boss arenas are

How unnerving Jevil’s background was, just different from everywhere else

really gets that uncanny not-supposed-to-be-here vibe across

personally I think thats what shadow crystals do, more than just power

Warp enviroments

[strange cloud]

That does seem to be a thing

With them like, making Kris see through their hand

[ripe harbor]

have we ever considered maybe kris’ hand just does that

[strange cloud]

See now that’s the real theory

[lusty cypress]

Kris just reached into unreality and pulled the Soul after losing their original

Huh, maybe Kris can phase their hand into other people's chests?

[strange cloud]

Also like, I do hope when we see the knight

They are the most knight knight to ever knight

Like full on, horseback fully armored, sword in hand

Maybe a chalice

[lusty cypress]

It's elaborate cosplay

[ripe harbor]

im expecting the knight before whatever dramatic twist chapter 5 has

like you cant budget knight and angel in the same chapters

[velvet olive]

Knight could be Chapter 6 then.

Angel could be Chapter 7.

S'hard to say anything tbh

[inner pond]

you know a theory I enjoy about Deltarune's world mechanics?

https://youtu.be/kZvsFCYuL2w?si=NeU9-X-LkSg_7qwV

fun bit of conjecture based on a few miniscule hints, but it feels compelling

[dim oak]

https://fxtwitter.com/HUECYCLES/status/1713015688195907980

@inland hare undertale and deltarune thread here now

[ripe harbor]

Wake up babes new HalfBreadChaos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YImYE3SDMkY

[ripe harbor]

lets see how my theory holds up

[lusty cypress]

Kris ate too much glass growing up. Exposure to glass may activate their acquired invisibility powers

[strange cloud]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVLCPRCbA_g

[lethal ferry]

that's sick

[ashen tide]

https://youtu.be/FU18FHL2o18?si=Z6JKUyUWrDviYPGT

been obsessed with these types of videos recently

[strange cloud]

They’re so good

[sour mesa]

https://wyntonyang.tumblr.com/post/731719389767958528

[lethal ferry]

gaslight gatekeep [redacted]boss

[inland hare]

susie is a freaking muppet

[strange cloud]

https://vxtwitter.com/epowgaaaa/status/1716846077792432288?s=46&t=fIUfY3FiRXkmKVbIBdHHIw

[timber widget]

THE ANNIVERSARY NEWSLETTER

THE ANNIVERSARY NEWSLETTER IS REAL

Can we get much higher...

Feat. Toby reading out scene drafts to the dev team, and (Weird) ||an old bug letting you grab the Thorn Ring from the dumpster in the regular route after eating moss||

[velvet olive]

https://vxtwitter.com/Wario64/status/1719211243959984466 also big news

[sour mesa]

Toby explains new chapters to the team by becoming a one-man radio play

beautiful

[ripe harbor]

the CANON rouxls voice is out there......

[scarlet wadi]

https://vxtwitter.com/DewEnjoyer/status/1719229872873021733 yeah lmao

[timber widget]

Hey, sorry if this is a tall order, but can I ask one of y'all to look over and critique a DR fic I've written? It's... more ambitious than my past ones in multiple ways, and I want to do this well, but my usual beta-reader isn't feeling up to the task.

[scarlet wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zXogxg4Wy8

[inland hare]

https://fxtwitter.com/Acenth/status/1726315732689138035?s=20

Rude buster Kris

[wheat adder]

Love it

[lusty scarab]

https://vxtwitter.com/DreMeMoTo/status/1730624140158108094

[timber widget]

lmao

[strange cloud]

https://youtu.be/ToAJx9ut9fc?si=GQv5AuR-IHli-vDQ

Video about a neat fan project that doesn’t seem to be getting much attention

[strange cloud]

https://vxtwitter.com/theakanemnon/status/1731365177529184428?s=46&t=fIUfY3FiRXkmKVbIBdHHIw

[sharp lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H89ZT0jjiO8&t=2643s

[scarlet wadi]

https://vxtwitter.com/UndertaleYellow/status/1733532257548186089

https://www.indiedb.com/games/undertale-yellow/downloads/undertale-yellow-100

[lusty scarab]

oh this looks super cute

[sour mesa]

Do you get Pikachu as your starter in this one

[sour mesa]

https://vxtwitter.com/ScrewyClassic/status/1734418833362895274

[golden haven]

(sending a comment here so that the thread remains open on my end)
what Mechs would the Fun Gang and co pilot

[sour mesa]

Suzy gets a Blackbeard/Empakaai

[golden haven]

Ralsei gets the Lancaster

Kris would want a HORUS mech but the player would put them in an Everest despite their wishes

which HORUS mech though

[sour mesa]

pppppegasus

[velvet olive]

We'll say Balor tbh.

[golden haven]

instead of GUN? its a KNIFE?
causality things
oh, why Balor?

which Lancer RPG mech would Lancer the Lancer pilot get

[velvet olive]

there's art of Lancer in a Vlad, which we think goes hard

also we say Balor because like
refuse to die, live forever, so on so forth

if you subscribe to the Kris corpse theory and stuff

[sour mesa]

i was thinking Pegasus because Eye of Horus and Sisyphus fit with Kris being extra aware of souls, etc.

[golden haven]

Kris as a corpse who died in the same incident where Dess went missing?

[golden haven]

that is true, yes
and the Sisyphus lore too

[velvet olive]

Maybe? wdk

whoops wrong post

[velvet olive]

Maybe? wdk

[lusty cypress]

We had this convo once. Lemme find it

#lancer-general message

[sour mesa]

Noelle Emperor sounds great

[lusty cypress]

Susie drives a nukecav executioner vlad with the stock explosion effect

Ralsei drives a lanny with lich stuff. Including the gun for finishing off opponents, lmao

Kris gets duelist leader everest

Berdly wasn't conclusively picked I think

Hacker nelson?

[velvet olive]

We're partial to Blackbeard Susie because, y'know, Sekhmet, but it might not fit incredibly well outside of that.

[sour mesa]

I think nanocarbon is good for her axe

[golden haven]

How does one translate the Rude Buster in Lancer gameplay

Combat Drill?

[golden haven]

Oh it does

[lusty cypress]

Nukecav combat drill melting her mech down

Berdly trying some complex control build he can't use, easing up a little and then going for unga bunga build

[velvet olive]

For Berdly, maybe a weird pick, but Death's Head?

Like Railgun Death's Head, because of the big Holy Halbird attack

[golden haven]

Contrasts well with Kris' Pegasus
Like a shounen rival

[lusty cypress]

Oooh, terashima goblin is also funny for berdly

[golden haven]

So i backread the thread you linked
Ralsei Lich has so many fascinating implications

[lusty cypress]

Ralsei saw the eldritch stuff, compartmentalized it, and uses

Only as much as he needs

[golden haven]

Or maybe he is the eldritch stuff

[lusty cypress]

So lanny with lich

[golden haven]

Yep

[lusty cypress]

Also, remember a deltarune theory he's an attempt to copy asriel. So clone ralsei is an idea

[golden haven]

That is true

[lusty cypress]

I think the knight stuff in the dark world is more kris personality. Pegasus gear on everest seems fitting

[golden haven]

the actual Kris is a fascinating little fellow
mischievous piano gremlin with terrible identity issues
can't wait to see more of their real persona

[lusty cypress]

Like, the dark world selves seem to reflect the characters.

Think kris needs more control fuckery

[golden haven]

Gorgon?
Gorg with Sisyphus

[lusty cypress]

Well, I do like knight gorgon.

[velvet olive]

Hydra?? For the commander vibes??

[golden haven]

Hydra makes me think of that blocky enemy from chapter 1

[white basalt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbCG6XB7fKI

[timber widget]

Weirdest hangup of all time but Ralsei is no Lanny pilot. He Does Not get his hands dirty if that's what's needed to keep his friends standing, he throws some literal thoughts and prayers and has magic do the work. He's far more of an Emperor with Lich systems

[sour mesa]

no you're right and you should say it

[white basalt]

i concur

[sour mesa]

What does that leave Noelle with tho

Black Witch? Minotaur?

[timber widget]

Death's Head with some theming

https://vxtwitter.com/impliedwolf/status/1735603405903581582?s=20

[sour mesa]

🔨

[golden haven]

Black ICE drone?
I jest
how does her ||Snowgrave|| powers translate into mechanics?

[lusty cypress]

No rule against repeating frames

Anyway, I don't think sending drones and spraying allies is getting your hands dirty. It's kinda casting, even if not tech actions

And Ralsei has had allies climb on his back before

Noelle, I don't really see doing black witch? Think she needs some dps build with emperor systems

[golden haven]

So Noelle could be an Emperor with maybe Napoelon systems ("Freezing" abilities and such) and Ralsei can be an Emperor with Lich/Lancaster systems

or a mix and match

[lusty cypress]

An emperor carrying people would look funny. Great

[timber widget]

And Redundant Systems? The whole junker-aesthetic? The team mechanic?

[lusty cypress]

True, there's that. But gameplay, role abd aesthetics are all different parts of picking mechs, and I thought it best to compromise on some of the aesthetics for such a supporty, friendly looking mech for Ralsei. And a general support fits as a starting party member. But Emperor fits too.

[sour mesa]

Minotaur immobilizes for an ice effect
that's about as far as I got

[lusty cypress]

Her freeze mission kills the opponent, or straight up kills them

[golden haven]

also Stunned, i realize

[sour mesa]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko3Xg_sKq0w

important

more like
touhou fox

[lusty scarab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVZOOld7eCw

[amber jolt]

WOO

[lusty scarab]

woo?

[inland hare]

Kris is finally wooing Susie

The one true pairing

[timber widget]

Hell yeah, woohoo! Fallen Down on an old piano!!

[inland hare]

It’s also possible that we are losing our mind

[timber widget]

Please, Toby...... Hurry...

[white basalt]

big shot

[golden haven]

I mean among the friend beverages that you can buy in Chapter 2, Kris heals the most from Susie's and heals the least from Ralsei's

And if you ask that carnival question in the Chapter 2 epilogue Kris acts the least uncomfortable if you chose to say they want to spend it with Susie

im honestly fascinated by the theory that Kris isn't as drawn by Ralsei's cuteness as the players are, and might in fact not like him all that much (considering Ralsei looks like his older brother)

[lusty cypress]

I like the theory tgat Ralsei was an experiment in creating a darkner clone of a lightner

[golden haven]

adding to that, he could be tied to Kris' childhood horns (the ones Kris wore when they were young)

[lusty cypress]

Yeah. There was also an old drawing of asriel as a mage, I think?

[golden haven]

wait there is? or was it offhandedly mentioned/in one of the interactable cabinets in the house

[lusty cypress]

I think it was mentioned in the classroom?

So the theory goes further that, the dust covered hammer in gerson's grave is gonna get picked to try to clone him as a darkner

The classroom was connected to gerson.
The library had a gerson section. The knight could've been spooked by noelle and berdly, as the library was closed. They'd've backed into the computer room, then the closet, where they made the fountain then fled.

[golden haven]

Very possible

[timber widget]

I have no recollection of this

• Kris' classroom has video game quotes and embracing superheroes
• Toriel's classroom has a primitive drawing of her and a photo of Kris and Asriel playing video games and later dressed up for halloween (you might be thinking of this, but their specific costumes are not mentioned iirc)
• The abandoned classroom has a drawing of or by "Alvin"

[lusty cypress]

Got it!

[golden haven]

2023 was the spamton sweepstakes no?

[timber widget]

Sounds right

[golden haven]

cant wait to see what 2023 has in store

2024

i mean

[inland hare]

I think there is a decent chance game might release on 2024

[golden haven]

oh boy that'd be great

i wanna see if my theories are correct

and i wanna see how it ends

wild to think that this was toby fox

's

dream project

literally

fever dream, from a fever dream he had that he wanted to make into a game

[inland hare]

Well you won’t see how it ends

Because Toby said he’s releasing when chapter 4’s done

Chapter 5-7 coming at a time tbd

[rocky berry]

Wait there's a 6 and 7 in store?

[inland hare]

Or whatever the remainder of the chapter there is

Seven seemed like a nice number

[golden haven]

i forgot if 6 and 7 were meant to be dlcs

or the fog of time is getting to me

[inland hare]

Wikipedia says 7 chapters

[golden haven]

so full

[inland hare]

Of which we have access to 2

[golden haven]

2 is packed with stuff

so many questions

where the heck is Dess

[inland hare]

She’s dead

You killed her

[timber widget]

There is also room for seven chapters on the chapter select screen

[inland hare]

In b4 Toby adds 17 interludes and 20 bonus chapters

[lusty cypress]

Chapter 6 chapter 6 intermission 2

[golden haven]

Noooo

[lusty cypress]

Sorry. He couldn't release the full game, so there's be pauses in between the last sub chapters, with the great final omegapause

[ripe harbor]

whole game seems optimistic

3 and 4, probably

I wouldnt be surprised if a lot of the work over the past few years was for 6-7

Gotta stick the landing, and know where you’re trying to end up

[inland hare]

Toby stated game will release when chapter 4 is complete

So that’s my basis

Which you agree with

5 6 7 to be released… some time later

[ripe harbor]

ahh you mean game like “not demo”

[inland hare]

Yeah

[ripe harbor]

wonder if anything will get cleaned up

Chapter 2s update had some UI changes for 1

[golden haven]

Do not haunt us with this nooo

[sour mesa]

https://vxtwitter.com/C0denameDelta/status/1755359598674854092

[scarlet wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x_UfDfoRmo

[sour mesa]

Undertale official you say

[scarlet wadi]

Yes.

It's more WayneRadio doing...whatever the fuck this is.

[ripe harbor]

#love wins!

[sharp lodge]

https://toby.fangamer.com/newsletters/winter24/

[ripe harbor]

oh theres a card from ||Someone?||

see, I have the url right-

https://email-files.fangamer.com/list_48/campaign_6/valentines/39-unknown-1-sssssssr-4ss77d74YEmXmQpCmFW5nCQg.png

. . .

[loud fulcrum]

I'd completely forgotten about GGDG, even though I loved Cucumber Quest so much!!!! Really loved their interview and will definitely be checking out their game

[timber widget]

(later in the email, Toby refers to ggdg with they/them)

[loud fulcrum]

Oops, my bad

[lusty cypress]

Hmm. Again, references to removed faces

[timber widget]

is that a thing?

[lusty cypress]

There's the faceless angel doll. And one other thing

I think it was " take off the mask under your face"

[timber widget]

Hm, doesn't ring a bell, unfortunately

[ripe harbor]

you mean the uhhh unused text?

"Is that a cut on your face, or part of your eye?"

[lusty cypress]

No. Damnit. Gonna search later

[ripe harbor]

Oh its another unused text bit, from the demo

I guess its all the demo

from the first demo

[lusty cypress]

Oh, thanks!

[lusty cypress]

There's also the stuff with faces covered in shadow. Like, ralsei and susie. So a motif of hidden or taken off faces could be possible.

[ripe harbor]

this one kinda got me

[ripe harbor]

I think thematically faces definitely fit into the societal expectation / role motif

clearly relates to identity

when you've got the entire main cast questioning their place in the world, and who they are, "putting on a face" isn't a bad metaphor

but also idk I'm just saying shit

[sour mesa]

card roundup let's go

[sour mesa]

gigi,

[scarlet wadi]

https://vxtwitter.com/Starbind_S/status/1757766561874538738

[ripe harbor]

sigh…. no unhinged scam email… just this WORTHLESS goat….. 😭

[rocky berry]

Wh

Where'd you guys get all these

I think I missed out LMAO

[timber widget]

are you subscribed to the newsletter?

[lusty cypress]

Fell into my promotions or social e-mails. Gotta check out

[rocky berry]

Nope

Time to fix hat

[white basalt]

every time i try it doesn't quite stick

[scarlet wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wBpgfO8Xwg

[white basalt]

https://youtu.be/XZTp6t2umNo

[lusty cypress]

https://www.tumblr.com/squidpedia/742006500642406400/a-follow-up-to-my-last-comic-in-which-clover-says

Wait fuck wrong order

Corrected

[hidden pivot]

https://www.tumblr.com/empress-of-dark2005/742640810819977216?source=share

[golden haven]

I don't know what to feel

[amber jolt]

that's an ostrich egg

which also looks like a pipis, coincidentally

no wait

Emu egg, not ostrich egg

[golden haven]

No wonder the Emus went to war

[lusty cypress]

Eviction day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzzGtz4v3YU

Snowgrave spamton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIx_6FYBkWk

[timber widget]

Holy crap

[golden haven]

goddamn

i just watched it now too

[scarlet wadi]

https://vxtwitter.com/daisiloou/status/1765810928262533557

[white basalt]

that sure is an illustration

[strange cloud]

https://x.com/canumvenati/status/1773093394589335952?s=46&t=fIUfY3FiRXkmKVbIBdHHIw

canumvenati 🍉 (@canumvenati) on X

Twitter · Mar 27, 2024, 9:03 PM

[strange cloud]

So I finally beat undertale yellow

Genuinely amazing

[sour mesa]

Nice!

[strange cloud]

I’m probably not gonna go for the other routes though

After learning ||that I actually achieved true pacifist on my first playthrough||

[strange cloud]

I do think it’s very funny for all the potential explanations for saving/loading and why we have multiple save slots in Deltarune is actually “Gaster did it lmao”

For once blaming that egg obsessed fuck is actually supported by the text

[sour mesa]

lov that guy, or absence of guy

[strange cloud]

He’s like a glue that can hold any poorly thought together theory

[strange cloud]

I recently replayed Deltarune after Undertale Yellow

And I got to show someone the eggs-husband scene

I’m so happy

[sour mesa]

niiiiiice

[lusty cypress]

Spamton. Biggering
https://youtube.com/watch?v=huNMlljLNWM

[strange cloud]

https://x.com/goomyloid/status/1789067826810040520?s=46&t=fIUfY3FiRXkmKVbIBdHHIw

goomy 🌈 grick… (@GOOMYLOID) on X

i hope everyone got home safe #DELTARUNE

1/4

Twitter · May 10, 2024, 10:59 PM

Full thread

[inland hare]

There’s a good chance deltarune is releasing (as in, purchasable) this year, right

Since they said they’ll launch with uhh first five chapters, I think?

And then release the rest later?

[scarlet wadi]

Chapters 3-5, yes. Whether it'll be purchasable this year, who the hell knows.

Toby works on Toby Time.

[strange cloud]

I think they went down to only releasing chapters 3-4 I think

[inland hare]

Oh

Well that’s pretty decent odds I’d say

[lusty cypress]

Can't you post the comic?

[strange cloud]

I did

It’s just multiple pages over multiple tweets

So doing it all as one big image would kinda suck

[sour mesa]

Twitter's shut down people from viewing threads without an account
trying to get an unroller working

[strange cloud]

Ah

Shit

I’ll try and do something then

https://vxtwitter.com/goomyloid/status/1789067826810040520?s=46&t=fIUfY3FiRXkmKVbIBdHHIw

https://vxtwitter.com/goomyloid/status/1789067997472038955?s=46&t=fIUfY3FiRXkmKVbIBdHHIw

https://vxtwitter.com/goomyloid/status/1789068197557375317?s=46&t=fIUfY3FiRXkmKVbIBdHHIw

https://vxtwitter.com/goomyloid/status/1789068514956816895?s=46&t=fIUfY3FiRXkmKVbIBdHHIw
This should work

[lusty cypress]

Thanks

[inland hare]

Maybe Noelle is the real protagonist

[golden haven]

someone once made the claim that Susie is the actual rpg hero here

[strange cloud]

Honestly since chapter 1 I’ve had the idea that Kris is like, meta wise was supposed to be the antagonist

Though that mostly relies on the idea that the gonermaker sequence was interrupted by a third party

[golden haven]

Kris as the twist villain to Susie's rpg hero arc

although im not really into interpreting their non-player directed actions as evil (bad, maybe, but not malicious)

part of me thinks that Kris' motivation for making a new fountain in Chapter 2's cliffhanger is either a desire to escape to the Dark World or because Susie mentioned something about enjoying it there (its been a while since i replayed it, it was one of the conversation topics they had on the couch)

[strange cloud]

Yah my idea was less that Kris was evil before we took control, but more that they were like, a sympathetic villain. A fundamentally good person who’s doing bad stuff for personal reasons

[strange cloud]

Also yah Susie has told Kris a few times how much she loves their adventures

[golden haven]

there's a lot of ominous Small Town Mysteries floating around in the background of the plot
which might explain why Kris is Like That

[strange cloud]

I think it’s also something like that, Kris seems to have fun on those adventures despite being possessed, at the very least they’ve become genuine friends with Susie

I saw that final scene as them thinking that so long as there aren’t to many dark fountains appear, nothing bad will happen, so what’s the harm in 1 more?

[golden haven]

if you talk to one of the kids in the epilogue of Chapter 1, Kris gets visibly annoyed at them when they trashtalk Susie

[strange cloud]

Yah

Also they sound genuine when they saw they’d go with Susie to the faire

[golden haven]

compared to every other answer yes

Susie notes how forced Kris' reply was if you choose Ralsei, that much i remember

[strange cloud]

Yah

[golden haven]

and Ralsei's tea flavor heals the least amount of HP if Kris drinks it

i theorize that Kris doesn't like the goat boi as much as we the players do

[strange cloud]

Honestly the one wrench in the “Kris just wants to go on more adventures with Susie” idea is, snowgrave

Why would they do the exact same thing in the version of events where we forced one of their friends to murder a classmate

And where Kris seemed

Kinda

Not feeling good

[strange cloud]

Also yah, Ralsei heals only 50 HP compared to Susie’s 120 and Noelle’s 60

[golden haven]

same reason why people would buy another burger after the last one they ate tasted awful ig?

"that was a horrible adventure. Let me wash those memories away with a new one."

[strange cloud]

I’m not really sure I buy that though

Like Kris had the choice there to make a dark fountain or not

If we did horrible things while in a dark world, why send themselves/us to another?

[inland hare]

I think Kris has separate plans and goals

Susie was an unexpected outcome that they learned to appreciate but ultimately won’t deter them from whatever it is they have to do

But yeah I don’t think Kris’ world revolves around Susie

[strange cloud]

I mean I more thought they themselves find the adventures fun

And have made friends with Susie because of them

So on the normal route Kris would actively want to have more to re-experience them

[inland hare]

I mean yeah they find the adventure fun but also I think they must have their personal reasons for doing whatever it is they are doing separate from Susie

As in even if Susie wasn’t in play they would probably do exactly what they are doing

Which is opening up more fountains

[strange cloud]

That’s fair yah

Kris could easily have like, a larger plan to whatever they’re doing

Everything we know about their motivation is just implication

[inland hare]

My guess is that Kris is looking for someone

[golden haven]

Dess

[strange cloud]

Does that someone’s name start with D?

[inland hare]

Yeah

[golden haven]

like i said, real ominous Small Town Mystery vibe going on

[strange cloud]

Dess is like, probably besides the roaring and Gaster the biggest unknown

And she may even be related to Gaster!

[golden haven]

there's this theory that like
Dess and Kris went into the Bunker, something happened there that might be related to the Fountains, and she disappeared and Kris was forever changed

[inland hare]

Well she hasn’t been erased from the multiverse like him

Because people remember her

But something must’ve happened to her

[strange cloud]

Yah she’s like, remembered at least

[golden haven]

it ties into that other theory that Asgore was an ex-policeman who was in charge of Dess' missing person's case but failed, which led to his current disgrace

[strange cloud]

I definitely don’t think she’s just, physically lost or dead or whatever

I really doubt her corpse is just chilling in the woods or something

[golden haven]

she could be the Angel

[strange cloud]

Honestly, maybe

[inland hare]

She might be trapped in the dark world somewhere

[strange cloud]

Noelle has Angel stuff about her

So Dess has Angel stuff by proxy

[inland hare]

Angel of destruction

[strange cloud]

Honestly I really wanna know like, what’s up with the angel

Like in hometown

The Angel is the town’s religion, so presumably monster’s religion

[inland hare]

Monsters believed in the Angel all the way from Undertale

[strange cloud]

Yah that’s where the Deltarune symbol came from right?

[inland hare]

Yes

[strange cloud]

It was the angels symbol?

[inland hare]

It’s the symbol of the Angel

[strange cloud]

Yah

[inland hare]

Who would one day come to the underground

And then the underground shall be emptied

[golden haven]

an Angel Dess going into the Underground Dark World to empty it

[strange cloud]

So like yah this is the equivalent of if you got a prophecy that you’re destined to beat up Jesus when the rapture happens

[inland hare]

Either because the Angel would save people

Or because they would kill everyone

[golden haven]

Razgriz vibes

[strange cloud]

If they’re so widely worshipped in Deltarune it seems like in this world they think it’s save everyone

Actually wait

Yah why does the Angel religion exist in a world where the war seemingly didn’t happen?

What’s their deal if not the underground?

[inland hare]

Angel presumably predates the war

Seems to be a generic deity

[strange cloud]

Oh that could be it yah

Like the Angel was just monsterkinds religion, and now in the undgeround it was adapted to their new situation

[inland hare]

Yeah

The Delta Rune was the angel’s symbol

But I don’t exactly recall the symbology

[strange cloud]

Actually if the dark worlds are like, reflections of the light world

Could be the Angel is seen as different in both

[golden haven]

maybe the Angel has like, a different mythology in the deltarune universe

similar in some ways to the UT version, but different

just like everyone else

[inland hare]

Well the only like

[strange cloud]

Like if in undertale the Angel was unknown to be benevolent or malevolent, in Deltarune it’s seen as benevolent in the light world and malevolent in the dark world

[inland hare]

Explicit worshipper of the Angel is found in deltarune

[strange cloud]

Yah in undertale it was an archeological dig wasn’t it?

[inland hare]

Deltarune was widely accepted as like the sigil of the monster kind so like everyone still respected the Angel

But the turtle shopkeeper who tells you about it says he just finds the symbol neat

And nobody else really comments about religion

In deltarune, there is a whole ass church and a priest

[strange cloud]

Yah, assuming this is a version of the world without the war then it seems like monster kind never lost the myth attached to the symbol

[inland hare]

And people apparently attend his mass regularly including Toriel and Asriel

[golden haven]

dude wouldn't let Kris drink the sick grape juice smh

[strange cloud]

Honestly hometown is a small town

[golden haven]

its been a while
how much of the church's tenets do we know?

[strange cloud]

I wouldn’t be surprised if the whole town (sans some of the more rebellious teens) attended

[inland hare]

We know they don’t do confessions

[golden haven]

like, i think stuff like sin and penance were explicitly said to be not part of the church's tenets

[strange cloud]

We know they don’t have a concept of Sin

But like

Other then that no

[inland hare]

We know they have communion wine

[golden haven]

Asriel was crying over guilt at one point?

[inland hare]

We know they believe in the Angel

[strange cloud]

Also wait if Asriel confessed in a religion with no concept of confession

[inland hare]

Yeah because Kris killed a dinosaur in game

[strange cloud]

Does that imply he like, found a Christian forum online?

[inland hare]

To jump higher

Nah I think he was just being a silly goat

[golden haven]

terrifying foreshadowing

[strange cloud]

Did Asriel get told he was going to hell?

[golden haven]

how much will Kris sacrifice to get where they need to go?

[inland hare]

Everything

[golden haven]

this is where we fight Susie

[inland hare]

But especially their Dino companion

[strange cloud]

Kris is gonna jump off Susie, leaving her to the void

[golden haven]

speaking of dinosaurs
i just remembered that the town has no internet

[strange cloud]

Yah

[inland hare]

I wonder why

[golden haven]

how long until Alphys reverts to her primeval form

[strange cloud]

Idk Gaster probably

[inland hare]

Personally I blame undyne

[strange cloud]

Chapter 7

That’s the final boss

[golden haven]

did Undyne hit a power line

[inland hare]

She probably slammed on her desk too hard and a shard flew off and severed the ground line

[golden haven]

sounds like something she'd do

[inland hare]

Do you think undyne is a crooked cop

Would she accept bribes

[strange cloud]

She would uppercut you into the sun if you pulled out your wallet

Not even tried to bribe her just vaguely imply you might

[inland hare]

But what if

It’s a list of Alphys’ favorite anime’s and merch

[golden haven]

she doesn't know Alyph yet

although the last epilogue implies that they'll meet

speaking of meeting

Papyrus
no Papyrus

[inland hare]

Do you think Undyne will lose an eye in the next episode

[strange cloud]

I think she’ll have both eyes still but her dark world costume will give her an eyepatch anyway

[golden haven]

lose an eye trying to get into the Dreemur household thats currently swathed in Dark World magic

[inland hare]

We know sustaining significant injury in the dark world paralyzes you in real life

[golden haven]

i still remember the darkest timeline theory about what happens to Papyrus in Deltarune:

[inland hare]

So if she gets into the dark world and gets an eye injury…?

Papyrus is faster?

[golden haven]

terminally online Fedora guy

[strange cloud]

Oh god

[golden haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIrceSg_OEs

[inland hare]

Oh no

Death sentence

[golden haven]

(okay its been a while, apparently this was the original concept for papyrus)

[strange cloud]

This is why the war is needed

To avoid this timeline

[golden haven]

and if you take the idea that Deltarune precedes Undertale in development and therefore has a lot of preexisting ideas being used...

[inland hare]

Toby is exactly the type of person to pull this shenanigans

But good news

Internet is down

The world is saved

[strange cloud]

I hope the theory sans and papyrus come from Deltarune is true just to avoid this

I will accept anything over this future

[scarlet wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui_6fuAE3C4

[golden haven]

banger

[strange cloud]

Also, I got a question

Y’all think Ralsei is the fake goat horns?

[velvet olive]

we've got no clue what the heck ralsei has going on tbh

[golden haven]

explains why Kris might not like him as much

he's a reminder of who Kris isn't and will never be

[strange cloud]

Honestly yah maybe

[lusty cypress]

I also wonder if they want to cure themself of lacking their own soul. Or they're doing something for the ominous voice person
Furthermore. I think it's a possibility that they got our soul from the ominous voice as part of some deal

[lusty cypress]

I think that's pretty apparent.
But could have the pretty mundane explanation that this is the one party member Kris hasn't known for a while. Everyone else is a classmate

[lusty cypress]

And you can't leave
Saw a theory something is already affecting the light world and cut it off

I mean, cut off the town

[lusty cypress]

Saw a theory he might be a drawing asriel did of himself as a kid

[golden haven]

ominous

[lusty cypress]

Anyway. Besides the stuff about prefering Susie and other characters, I think there isn't evidence Kris has negative feelings on Ralsei, at least significant enough to not be his friend.

The thing about Kris is we barely have insight into their thoughts and feelings. So, funnily enough, the relationship of control continues outside the game. Our speculation is us deciding what they think and feel, who they are

Well in my opinion. Hope I don't come across as rude

[golden haven]

tis finee

[strange cloud]

People who draw Kris wearing the dealmaker are

So based

[lusty cypress]

Yeah

[golden haven]

i drew them wearing it on ms paint

[strange cloud]

Hell yah

[lusty cypress]

The angel stuff is interesting

What we have

• Creepy faceless angel doll. Unknown how proeminent the idea of faceless angel is, and its place in culture. Could be a broken doll, or someone's unusual idea.
• The prophecy
• Spamton's obsession

Also. The idea of facelessness in deltarune

[timber widget]

• Chunch

[strange cloud]

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZTLV3jm3J/

[strange cloud]

https://vxtwitter.com/sodaggs/status/1790508397000827342?s=46&t=fIUfY3FiRXkmKVbIBdHHIw

[rocky berry]

Goes hard

[strange cloud]

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZTLbrAKRe/

[strange cloud]

https://x.com/tobyfox/status/1791234716529832409?s=46&t=fIUfY3FiRXkmKVbIBdHHIw

tobyfox (@tobyfox) on X

To summarize some stuff here:

• Ch4 is making REALLY good progress!
• Between the new producer and multiple new team members, overall development is powering up
• Release of Ch3+Ch4 is still far... don't want anyone to burn out waiting, but we aren't burnt out making it!

Twitter · May 16, 2024, 10:30 PM

[sour mesa]

ooooooooh

[inland hare]

hmm

perhaps next year then

[amber jolt]

NEWSLETTER OUT

https://toby.fangamer.com/newsletters/spring24/

[golden haven]

AMANE KANATA OF HOLOLIVE???

[scarlet wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb-Le_XFrtk

Song came out 2 months ago and I just completely didn't see it.

[golden haven]

same

but the story is pretty heartwarming

[lusty cypress]

Yeah. So that's what fallen wing means

Looking for lyrics translation now

[sour mesa]

important reaction image

[inland hare]

How dare he say this

[timber widget]

https://archiveofourown.org/works/56019136
Finally finished another Deltarune thing, this time mostly just letting myself go hog wild with one of my favorite media tropes

(||the medium/format changing throughout||)

[white basalt]

ooooooo

having finished: very good!

[strange cloud]

Oh sick

[timber widget]

https://vxtwitter.com/ralseihugs/status/1795113713701183694

[velvet olive]

he's just using slang...

[inner pond]

I hate how effective this would be at bothering me

[strange cloud]

God I hope if we find Dess in the dark world she’s in sorta berserker barbarian type fantasy costuming

[golden haven]

Baseball Bat weapon

[lethal ferry]

counterpoint: in the dark world they have a giant hammer. in the normal world they have a baseball bat

[white basalt]

consider: baseball bat -> huge club

[strange cloud]

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZTNCM7YjE/

[scarlet wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfGuQELt1Tk Crossover from the vtubing channel but: Toby Fox collaborated with Camellia on a new song.

[rocky berry]

There's a VTubing channel here???

[sour mesa]

ysah
#1013726002339389460 message

[lethal ferry]

from the newsletter

[amber jolt]

wait there's a newsletter??

[sour mesa]

https://deltarune.com/newsletter/

[sour mesa]

and here's the newsletter archive for people who want that
https://toby.fangamer.com/newsletters/

[amber jolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026314767809388577/1268049580189159466/spam_cooking-i1pyKBJ9BRgjP1OS.gif?ex=66abab73&is=66aa59f3&hm=7026de2b5b2751ae9a48c79555d759e00811225495d80c7cc7e7ed430130b0a7&

spangton g spantan

[inland hare]

Well done spamton

[lethal ferry]

spinton

[golden haven]

spittoon

[white basalt]

spamton r spamton
-# the r is short for rotisserie

[lethal ferry]

spinton g spinton
-# the g is short for grilled

[amber jolt]

https://x.com/vyletbunni/status/1823883515932381556

Sarah (@vyletbunni) on X

so undertale xbox has been decrypted

Twitter · Aug 15, 2024, 12:44 AM

holy shit

[rocky berry]

Heck, what

[amber jolt]

*(It's a picture of a dog juggling several balls.)
*(You feel satisfaction that your hard work reverse engineering the encryption of the Xbox One has paid off.)

yeah

thanks toby

[lusty cypress]

New toby fox and zun collab incoming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dByUCbCzsqk

[sour mesa]

Chara day woooooo

[clear frost]

YIPPEE

[sour mesa]

https://toby.fangamer.com/newsletters/autumn24/

Newsletter is up

[scarlet wadi]

https://toby.fangamer.com/interviews/letter/

[inland hare]

oh hi chara

[golden haven]

Sweet but also somewhat sinister

[amber jolt]

https://vxtwitter.com/IcyBunnys/status/1835100467959095689?t=92a91grBc3QQtgn2K9JR_A&s=19

HOLY MOLY

[lusty cypress]

The start just makes me think I'll hear the song from the Neo fangame

[sour mesa]

friend did a little write-up
https://malymin.dreamwidth.org/2200.html

for the 9th anniversary

[lusty cypress]

Oh Toby Fox likes açaí!

[rocky berry]

I'm flabbergasted

Just

Yo????

I'm looping this thing btw and I still can't form thoughts

[sour mesa]

https://x.com/patchxwork/status/1837304070073180208?t=5i6dFtE8lEY-Wp5UOk0XFg&s=19

🖇️ patch (@patchxwork) on X

what did i jsut find . i dont remember drawing this

Twitter · Sep 21, 2024, 1:33 AM

[rocky berry]

I have so many compliments I cannot put them into words

[sour mesa]

i don't remember posting that
antimemetic artwork

[lusty cypress]

So, what's you all's theories on the darkness on deltarune

[inland hare]

Dorknees

[velvet olive]

there's a lot of different darknesses in Deltarune tbh

[sour mesa]

silly little guys

[inland hare]

Darkness seems to be uhhh escapism?

For lack of better word

[lusty cypress]

It kinda creates workds, but also seems to leads to holes in the universe's reality

The light of heaven spamton sought might have been different from the lightners' world, beyond it

[golden haven]

Darkness as the creativity and whimsey of childhood versus the exacting and static rules of Light

Light as reality and adulthood

[inland hare]

yeah Light seems to be reality

[lusty cypress]

Is that why darkness leads to joles in existence?

Holes

[timber widget]

I maintain that, akin to the legend, darkness is an element "of" dreams in some way, and light is one "of" hope

(admittedly, while darkness corresponding to dreams is sort of evident, light being hopeful remains to be seen, but I remain hopeful)

[inland hare]

the Light is probably the power that allows you to Save and Load

a human soul is full of Light too I think

there is still a relationship between Light and Surface (reality) and Darkness and Underground (Fantasy) I thin

[timber widget]

Light and dark are in balance... If this harmony were to shatter... The light only you can see... By second nature... It was as if your very SOUL was glowing...

Just trying to think about what we know about light specifically

Ralsei hasn't mentioned what would happen if the balance shifted in favor of light

[golden haven]

the world of Deltarune is Undertale but Light imo

its Undertale vis a vis a cozy small town AU with a dark secret

all the fantastical fantasy underground blorbos get shunted to a vaguely midwest town and have to deal with lame shit like taxes and ennui and community-breaking disappearances

[inland hare]

the last one seems a bit serious

and unusual

[golden haven]

wdym all cozy towns have some kind of tragic disappearance that buckles and shakes the community

its a Totally Normal Thing for small towns to have

[inland hare]

I see

see one disappearence I might agree is normal

a string of disappearences though

[golden haven]

luckily on Dess seems to be the only missing person that we know of

[timber widget]

Not really lucky for her I guess

more so for everyone else

[inland hare]

well berdly suddenly disappeared few months ago

[timber widget]

https://tenor.com/view/drew-scanlon-blonde-guy-blinking-eyes-blinking-meme-surprised-gif-7852244

[inland hare]

well more like few years

it just feels like yesterday

[golden haven]

lmao

i wonder if his arm is permanently fucked now

[ripe harbor]

yeah - wasn't dark equated to star in the elemental duos, or was that theory?

I actually think that makes darkness the save and loading mechanism

since they're little stars

Light as reality, darkness as.... something between wishes, dreams, and fantasy

"wishing on a star" and all that

its water motifs with this make me think it might be reflecting unconscious desire

something bubbling under the surface, that bursts forth violently

but something thats foundational - its always there if you dig

theres a strong theme of fitting into expected roles, and how others percieve you. (Like, the entire main cast + berdly has this stuff going on in their story so far.)

Light and dark's probably gonna tie heavily into that

but idk how

something something the festival? The ways that acting on fantasies can shape our lives? 🤷

[lusty cypress]

Also, the town has been cut off from the rest of the world.
No one enters or exits, no internet

[lusty cypress]

Yeah, I don't think light is just reality.

[lusty cypress]

Yeah, people looked at the code for the elements
Dark is Star
Light is Thunder. Note the thunder in the image of the angel's heaven in the prophecy
I think there was further analysis about some game being inspiration, and thunder and light in this game represented the sky. That is, heaven

[ripe harbor]

Oh yeah, its definitely pulling from some religious imagery (though it remains to be seen if future secret bosses keep up that pattern)

• the dark is portrayed as water, it brings to my mind the book of genesis describing the creation of the world as seperation of abyssal waters

which might mean something, might not

but something I'm keeping in mind given how much world-creation appears in the story, esp with whatever the "Angel's Heaven" is

its gonna be a lot easier to pick things out once the next batch of chapters comes out

[lusty cypress]

Also, light has a connection to souls, considering lightners have bright souls

[timber widget]

It's portrayed as many things (gas (ch 2 ending), like light (closet door opening, mansion "darkbulbs"), throbbing mass (sweepstakes chair (speculative)), liquid (legend fountains))

[ripe harbor]

the sweepstakes chair's background music is actually named something like "water_2" iirc

The audio that plays after clicking on the chair (deltarune.com/chair) is “mus_ambientwater.ogg” from Undertale, with some added effects.

ah, thats it

[golden haven]

creepy

and yea water, darkness, and the primordial world before creation are

[ripe harbor]

Im interested to see how souls interact with the 'societal role' theme going on tbh

[golden haven]

in the same symbolic bag

Dark Soulssss

[ripe harbor]

they're called the essence of someones being, which usually means something like identity

[timber widget]

Well sure, but you won't have me saying the thing on that chair acts like water

[ripe harbor]

thought about it more this morning

theres something to the idea that what the darkness does to Darkners, and what it does to Lightners, is the same sort of thing

cause when the dark fountains are open, it pretty much literalizes the relationship the darkner-objects have, their context.

A laptop becomes the queen of the computer lab, the joker is locked away from the other cards.

For Lightners, it seems to do the same: The delinquent kid gets a ripped leather jacket and a huge axe, the redditor nerd gets a power scouter

so I guess my question would be if this is based on what the Lightners truly feel about themselves, or if its the expectations of others

Can susie throw out rude busters because its how she is deep down, or because other people see her as that mean + scary girl?

[rocky berry]

This is some good food for thought

[rocky berry]

I was gonna say that Kris' dark world getup makes me think it's the former but they're kinda a special case aren't they

[lusty cypress]

Yeah, kris has no soul of their own

[lusty cypress]

You could say the dark worlds are shadows cast by the places and what lightners make of them

So I wonder if we'll get something to represent reflections

[sour mesa]

oh btw
I'm in a Deltarune RPG group now

[strange cloud]

Ooo

What’s the system?

[sour mesa]

Chuubo's!

I'm playing Ralsei

[golden haven]

Oioh

[strange cloud]

Who’s Chuubo?

[golden haven]

Msrvelous wish granting engine

[strange cloud]

Ohhhh

[sour mesa]

Chuubo's Marvelous Wish-Granting Engine, yes

[strange cloud]

Ngl, I thought Chuubo was like the GM lol

[velvet olive]

hella???

sounds awesome

[sour mesa]

it's so cool

[inland hare]

https://x.com/tobyfox/status/1851836949847281963

tobyfox (@tobyfox) on X

I'm very eager to show you what we've made since 6 years ago.

Chapter 3&4 will 100% come out in 2025.

The specific time is still relying on localization and console porting.

Please hear me clawing at the door trying to escape the shallow coffin I have been buried in.

Twitter · Oct 31, 2024, 4:01 AM

[sour mesa]

thank u toby

[lusty cypress]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVodrCp3f5A

Wait a moment

1:07

Of course

[lusty cypress]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjgBdVOtZQo

[timber widget]

I despise so much how that name's caught on for the route

[white basalt]

yeah, it's infuriating in spoileritude

[clear frost]

i just call it "Side B"

[sour mesa]

official fangamer merch

[white basalt]

not wrong

[amber jolt]

LIGHTNER MERCH????

Tbf it could be charas too

But still

[sour mesa]

It's in both the UT and DR collections

[inland hare]

Could be asriel’s

Well I guess Ariel has two stripes not one

[amber jolt]

🤔

OH

It's about ||asriel absorbing charas soul|| isn't it ( major UT Spoilers)

[sour mesa]

thinking about Undertale the Musical

[golden haven]

Wait what

There is

What does Sans look like

[sour mesa]

Not a live thing

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLU-TFjG0qugDOnndeSWGpQ_BTmzEBlK09

internet collab, has some solid performances to my memory

[golden haven]

Ahh

[sharp lodge]

https://toby.fangamer.com/newsletters/holiday24/

[golden haven]

(the dog twiddles their realistic human thumbs)

[scarlet wadi]

https://toby.fangamer.com/snowman/ Oh no

[golden haven]

Damn

[inland hare]

Do you think ice route might be a meta commentary along the lines of Stanley Parable

How far are you willing to go to spite the narrative

Are you really spiting the narrative if you are doing what you are allowed to do

[clear frost]

the b-side of deltarune angers me because of the puns

the computer froze up. the tv screen's gonna have an image burned into it.

[sour mesa]

oh sweet new character

[amber jolt]

iirc ||Elnina is the name of one of the weather guys we saw in the teaser||

||The weather always sticks together, y'know?||

||What's funny is that they share a naming convention with the other guy. Elnina and Lanino. Based off weather events La Nina and El Nino||

[sour mesa]

huh!

[amber jolt]

||We can see their names in one of the Valentine cards||

[golden haven]

Pfft i respect the devotion

[amber jolt]

waaaaaait. Burned in. Toriel has fire magic...

hmm

[timber widget]

Or does she? Vsauce, ence here

[lusty cypress]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7rgYakZVzc

[crystal shale]

https://x.com/tobyfox/status/1874334645388730580

tobyfox (@tobyfox) on X

Twitter · Jan 1, 2025, 5:59 AM

[scarlet wadi]

https://fixupx.com/Murbyttleo/status/1873717613425246638?t=qJ6-XcIf9SYb0yVOVcNJpQ&s=19

[lusty cypress]

Pfft that name
@wicked bear

To non-Portuguese speakers
"Low income stoner Ana"

[wicked bear]

oh no

[south flume]

https://x.com/Krib_Underscore/status/1879416348478210059?t=DTzR7fefZKxi-jG14OiHVQ&s=19

___🇦🇷🍉🌳 (@Krib_Underscore) on X

new big undertale mod dropped guys

Twitter · Jan 15, 2025, 6:32 AM

[sour mesa]

which sprites

[timber widget]

During the date with Papyrus, his special clothes include rosary beads. These cannot be interacted with. Alphys gets a mustache. /j

[sour mesa]

https://x.com/HHonchkrow234/status/1879363335000662277

headhonchkrow (@HHonchkrow234) on X

deltarune

X · Jan 15, 2025, 3:01 AM

[merry arrow]

https://x.com/OFFtheRPG/status/1882474627450208654?t=I5kvjJpSuT__tQasFmmHWw&s=19

OFF (@OFFtheRPG) on X

@tobyfox joins the OFF soundtrack!

Stream White Meat by Toby Fox & Camellia on YouTube now:

https://t.co/jPAwfRAxBr

X · Jan 23, 2025, 5:05 PM

[lusty cypress]

Sans: Fuck them kids

[south flume]

https://bsky.app/profile/themefinland.bsky.social/post/3lgkoutiqo22s

Themefinland -> NFC 2025 (@themefinland.bsky.social)

Werewire, Fanart of an enemy in deltarune. They are more colorful in the game, but I wanted to try to make them more natural, while still keeping the colors. So I did that by giving them iridescent fur :)

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Bluesky · Jan 25, 2025, 10:21 AM

[scarlet wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A86OxLX9KWU

[wicked bear]

[south flume]

Frisk has become Catholic

[golden haven]

isnt Kris nominally Catholic

[inland hare]

No, their religion don’t have confessions

[golden haven]

or sin
which makes me wonder what is up with big bro Asriel for having a guilt complex

ok maybe not a guilt complex, just crying over having to sacrifice Yoshi

[inland hare]

I think he’s just a nice person

Also technically he was ratting Kris out

Maybe that’s why Kris had to murder him and bury his body in the woods

[golden haven]

huh wait

i thought Dess filled the "missing child" niche in hometown

or is this a bit

[inland hare]

It’s a bit

[lusty cypress]

Religions with confessions must exist for Asriel to make that mistake

Anyway the religion in deltarune's town is very similar to Christianity but has no sin and worships an angel

[inland hare]

https://bsky.app/profile/tobyfox.undertale.com/post/3lhadmnxia22y

tobyfox (@tobyfox.undertale.com)

PlayStation makes it a requirement to have trophies (achievements), so those will be one of the things that have to be tested.

I don't think they're going to like testing the trophies though

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Bluesky · Feb 3, 2025, 12:58 AM

https://bsky.app/profile/tobyfox.undertale.com/post/3lhadac2h2c2y

tobyfox (@tobyfox.undertale.com)

Ch4 PC Testing / Translation: Winding down. No longer looking for new issues, only fixing and checking remaining ones.

Console Testing: Starts tomorrow. The goal is to test Chapter 1,2,3,4 on all platforms (PC,Mac,Switch,PS4,PS5)

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Bluesky · Feb 3, 2025, 12:51 AM

oh

we might be closer to release than I thought

[strange cloud]

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZT2h86mnC/

[sour mesa]

no.............

[clear frost]

this is why you keep backups

[wheat adder]

Please say it's a joke 😭

[amber jolt]

It's a joke dw! Toby hasn't posted anything like that to his bsky

[timber widget]

I also doubt he has a big red "Destroy Deltarune" button on his desk

[sour mesa]

that's just my desk

[inland hare]

Toby no longer posts on twitter

[crystal shale]

This is bluesky I'm prtty sure

He's much more active there

[wheat adder]

I mean he could be trying to make light of like something happening and the computer with all the files getting its to HDD degrade idk

It was 7AM and I had just woken up

[timber widget]

That's fair

[lusty cypress]

You know, Papyrus is really skilled in nonlethal combat

Hope he put tgat to use in sports or something

He put a lot of effort into training

[inland hare]

Yeah he’s really good at beating children insensate without killing them

[clear frost]

Not even toriel has such control over her magic to the point of being absolutely nonlethal. The man would do fantastic in practically any combat sport.

[lusty cypress]

I think he'd stand out as a wrestler maybe
Could ham it up

He could also work as a magic teacher, considering how precise he is
Or teach self-defense.

[inland hare]

As an extra bonus his weight class is really low compared to his size

So he has extra reach advantage

[lusty cypress]

His acrobatics are good for escaping a situation, but I doubt he can teach that in self-defense. He has the advantage of being a mysterious skeleton

Damn papyrus has good job prospects

Sans raised his brother well

All these jobs were worth ir

[wicked bear]

i like papyrus cause beeg smile

[lusty cypress]

Papyrus is a guy you can feel safe around

I'd hire him as therapist

[clear frost]

Papyrus is just generally the best

[inland hare]

Unless that’s what he wants us to think

[golden haven]

the most evil thing toby fox can do is make deltarune papyrus a redditor

[clear frost]

Unless Toby Fox actively confirms that Papyrus The Skeleton is The Knight I will disagree with that thought.

[lusty cypress]

The original papyrus concept doesn't quite feel like undertale/deltarune humor

Having a creep be a major character

[golden haven]

unrepentant

unchanging too

[clear frost]

Thymeline. We are not having best boy papyrus be a redditor.

[lusty cypress]

Yeah, and felt meanspirited to mlp fans
Even if it wasn't, it could come of as that

[lusty scarab]

https://va.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_srw3yrPo7H1z1w6zm.mp4

[golden haven]

the electric guitar riff from the show didnt need to go that hard but it did

[timber widget]

https://bsky.app/profile/tobyfox.undertale.com/post/3ljjhzyvjmk2l

tobyfox (@tobyfox.undertale.com)

They only reported 1 bug yesterday (we've received over 500 individual reports since we started testing Chapter 3 PC)

Feels like they're slurping the last drops of soda from between the ice cubes now

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Bluesky · Mar 4, 2025, 3:02 AM

[wicked bear]

Heh

[strange cloud]

Amazing world of gumball body

[sharp lodge]

lol

[amber jolt]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/391540/Undertale/

Steam

Undertale

Welcome to UNDERTALE. In this RPG, you control a human who falls underground into the world of monsters. Now you must find your way out... or stay trapped forever. ((Healthy Dog's Warning: Game contains imagery that may be harmful to players with photosensitive epilepsy or similar condition.))features: Killing is unnecessary: negotiate out of da...

Price

$0.99

Recommendations

228783

Metacritic

92

▶ Play video

[timber widget]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1091723525422846163/1348250700001443914/RDT_20250309_120639.mp4?ex=67d80250&is=67d6b0d0&hm=93f29b893a78cc52a516f302c9ef498fb82a90ff9a46cec8cf8df05a7994195f&

[sour mesa]

why is he named Lancer

[strange cloud]

He was named after the hit indie TTRPG Lancer!

[sour mesa]

oh okay

[inland hare]

Because he does or smth I dunnow

[hidden pivot]

the lancer is also an old name with roots way back in arthuriana for the foil to a hero

for non knight mounted lance wielding men at arms

like the main character from kingdom come is a lancer. explicitly not a knigf and often a rival to them or a right hand man

so often the secondary character to a hero either with them or against them

it got popularized for mass use due to tv tropes and lancer from fate

[sour mesa]

is he foiling tho

[inland hare]

He’s trying to foil you

[timber widget]

https://bskye.app/profile/mhuyo.bsky.social/post/3lkt4w3qmyc26

[crystal shale]

Car pit

[hidden pivot]

evil toby fox be like "spa kit"

https://youtu.be/8f_VmSoZ7Z4?si=HoleIKActzI4VptZ

[timber widget]

Ska bit

[velvet olive]

fucking

don't scare us like that

(<--- going to go scare our partner with this)

[wicked bear]

Did it work?

[velvet olive]

not awake yet

[velvet olive]

no

(they woke up beforehand we just forgot)

[wicked bear]

dang

[wheat adder]

June 5th

[clear frost]

I’m very scared about what Toby has cooked up but that just fuels my excitement

[wheat adder]

The trailer looked hype

Very excited for the new content

There was a snippet that looked like Rock Band??

[sour mesa]

Ralsei what are you WEARING

[wheat adder]

Chris with heels and glittery jacket is 10/10

[golden haven]

Ralsei whats with that Polnareff ass haircut

[wheat adder]

Lol

[amber jolt]

REAL

[lethal ferry]

Ralsei is rocking it

[amber jolt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDzgiGdekas

WIN

[dreamy gorge]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1671210/DELTARUNE/ so apparently deltarune will be out in 2 more months, with future chapters releasing as free update

Steam

DELTARUNE

The next adventure in the UNDERTALE series has appeared!

Fight (or spare) alongside new characters in UNDERTALE's parallel story, DELTARUNE...!

…

Release Date

Jun 5, 2025

▶ Play video

[hidden pivot]

DELTARUNE TODAY

[hidden pivot]

confirmed, a pair of three headed lamp-cerberuses, one named POPU and one named LARITY

[dense cargo]

Man what is with today

[crystal shale]

Lots of big annoncments

[dense cargo]

Between this, Silksong, and not-Bloodborne, it sure is a lot

Anyways, happy to have a release date, looking forward to it

[white basalt]

nintendo direct

[hidden pivot]

switch 2 nintendo direct

[sour mesa]

https://bsky.app/profile/unofficialutdrnews.bsky.social/post/3llwoj7yw7s2m

UT/DR News - Countdown to Chapters 3 & 4 (@unofficialutdrnews.bsky.social)

This isn't OFFICIAL news, but it's still something I think deserves a post on here.

The wikis for UNDERTALE and DELTARUNE have moved off Fandom!

They can now be found at undertale.wiki and deltarune.wiki !

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Bluesky · Apr 3, 2025, 7:53 PM

[crystal shale]

Really glad people are moving away from Fandom

[golden haven]

yess

[amber jolt]

https://bsky.app/profile/tobyfox.undertale.com/post/3llwzhjffb22g

tobyfox (@tobyfox.undertale.com)

Okay but Silksong though 😊🫴🐛❤️❤️❤️

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Bluesky · Apr 3, 2025, 11:09 PM

TOBY FOX?

[white basalt]

quality recognizes quality

[timber widget]

Big fan of the quad sans

[lusty cypress]

Game recognizes game

[south flume]

Eep_UTDR on da birb app

[golden haven]

Holy shit

[inland hare]

Deltarune limbus cross pollination

[lusty cypress]

Each dark world a canto

[wheat adder]

Playing Echoes of Wisdom and HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[scarlet wadi]

https://youtu.be/H2h40z43B0c?si=IIFh-kbFVCt00p8_

[sour mesa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jshQudepL8A

Deltarune vibes from this somehow

[south flume]

https://youtube.com/shorts/MQSjc3QF4xg?si=5pEPsDa5aDNoIr0r

[south flume]

Truth Nuke

[timber widget]

Most reasonable powerscaler

[clear frost]

oh my fucking GOD i am going to LOSE IT

[sour mesa]

lol

[clear frost]

every time i see "could sans beat [insert character here]" the answer is ALWAYS going to be no. why? because the only reason sans lasts so long in his fight during the slaughter route is that he cheats. not even Undyne the Undying, one of the most powerful monsters in the entire underground, thought to dodge or to attack the player character while they're doing their thing. Sans is a filthy cheater who uses technicalities in his attacks, dodges, attacks you in the menu, and just generally exploits the game mechanics. he's only powerful because of the medium. in any scenario outside of it he is DOOMED in a fight.

i have no idea how the karma poison thing works though so dont ask me

the only way sans is winning is either A. putting the opponent character in the same battle medium of undertale, or B. the character is on a similar powerlevel to sans (aka the character has an absolutely pathetic powerlevel)

ok vent over

[foggy python]

I'd say he'd also be able to pull the same bullshit in similar mediums like turn based jrpgs

Though usually people only talk about sans in that context in relation to like. Goku or something

[clear frost]

he probably could, yeah

[timber widget]

Monster Kid could beat like three Sanses though

[clear frost]

easily

[lusty cypress]

Personally I'd come up with medium screwing abilities for whatever he's put in, for fun

[clear frost]

now thats how ya do it!

[lusty cypress]

Sans hoping between anime panels or manga frames in dragon ball

Exploiting visual effects and tricks in animation

[clear frost]

would he be able to utilize this in a fight? yes. would he instead just use it for comedy? yes.

[foggy python]

sans does that one fps gimmick where you can turn yourself and since you're 2d you're basically an unhittable line

[sour mesa]

https://bsky.app/profile/matiasbergara.bsky.social/post/3lmiveraal22q

Matías Bergara (@matiasbergara.bsky.social)

Sans and Undyne. It's crazy Undertale will hit 10 years this year.
Kinda game that changes you!

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Bluesky · Apr 11, 2025, 1:43 AM

[velvet olive]

he's so small....

[wheat adder]

He's just a guy

Of the little variety