Yeah they were looking at yi and fiora
#League of Legends
mighty crow
I recommended yi
They're both infinite ceiling or close to it characters, but Fiora has a way higher skill floor
fallen notch
Also, uhhh lane states! Learn about 'em. They're pretty intuitive but a bit trickier to manage in practice.
mighty crow
Especially if you're jungle
Many junglers never learn how lane states work and can fuck up an entire game by messing it up for an ally
fallen notch
I watched a fair bit of PekinWoof since he's a mid laner and he tends to be good about consistently explaining what he's doing and why without it being pure stream of words nonsense
woeful shuttle
I'm of the opinion that new players shouldn't onetrick but yeah <5 champs is a good idea
unless you find your forever champion in which case go nuts
mighty crow
I'm not even sure it is important to have a main tbh
I've mostly just counterpicked people for ages
silver heath
I think its good to play a lot of a character when you're learning
But yeah I also don't have a real main
rain girder
It's just a personal hate
edgy trout
But then again I've not seen a decent botlane fir months
rain girder
I hate that it's on every ADC
I hate that so many champs can just kill you despite your outplays because they had an ability ticking
I don't think an item should give someone an execute, no matter how minimal
In my mind something like that should just be bonus damage on a low health target, not a straight up kill
willow oar
It's just a personal hate
Same
willow oar
In my mind something like that should just be bonus damage on a low health targe...
Executes should be %missinghealth damage, not %maxhealth thresholds
rain girder
Thresholds can exist, just not... On items. Lmao
spice glen
should only be on ults
rustic kite
In my mind something like that should just be bonus damage on a low health targe...
Riot, scribbling in a notepad: "Rephrase... Collector as... 100% current health... true damage..."
woeful shuttle
in a funny way I think if the collector passive was actually like....impactful, it'd be a really bad item otherwise
since collector passive is only useful against nearly dead targets and is costing power budget that could have gone into items that are effective against the other 95% of the healthbar
willow oar
the stats are decently efficient for the price point of the item
really though I find that the item is a feelsbad for anyone facing it
high health champions who could possibly scrape out a clutch win against the collector wielder find themselves dead at over hundred health
I play Illaoi with frequency, the number of times my health has dropped into the double digits before my tentacles slam down is insane
rain girder
I gotta stop playing ranked at 4AM
My laners are consistently just... losign all the time lmao
silver heath
I have a rule against playing LoL after midnight because everyone starts playing… differently
spice glen
plus its after midnight, you're playing different too
rain girder
Yeah, I just have to make sure it's norms and not ranked lmao
no need to lose LP because of yuumi mid at 4AM
woeful shuttle
I have a rule against playing LoL after midnight because everyone starts playing...
late night league is a strange place
you see some weird decisions
silver heath
yeah
Sometimes you win because of them
Sometimes you lose
It feels very out of your hands
rustic osprey
So ||Viktor|| is for suuuuuuure gonna be the ASU
mighty crow
@silver heath You can you please spoiler-tag those?
rustic kite
Damn, was hoping for ||Sevika to arrive first||
silver heath
<@255907872993574923> You can you please spoiler-tag those?
Done, actually a while ago but I got around to responding
silver heath
Viktor VGU splash art
rustic osprey
rustic osprey
wait new objective monster. Is that swains demon? Wait no it's from LoR
Nash back to 25
Yoo so much stuff 👀
silver heath
This look like cool changes
stone nacelle
Viktor VGU splash art
The orb in his staff looks like a gacha ball
fallen notch
Viktor VGU splash art
I’ll pray harder for the Vi VGU
rustic kite
Season... 1?
mighty crow
I guess we're resetting the numbers lmao
spice glen
who else is ready for instant kill ults again
woeful shuttle
Hot take ambessa is what the riven rework should have been
mighty crow
IDK if that's a hot take
rain girder
I'm most excited about the new jungle monster and respawning nexus turrets
I hate when the enemy takes our nexus turrets but can't quite end so we have to just
WAIT for a backdoor
spice glen
it encourages just commiting to ending the game now too, because turrets will come up again.
silver heath
I hate when the enemy takes our nexus turrets but can't quite end so we have to ...
Yeah not being base locked is great
frank grotto
Between the boot thing, the new monster, and the respawning turrets it sounds like they're really trying to make people a bit more aggressive.
woeful shuttle
What are Blood Roses? In addition to Atakhan, we’re adding a new plant to Summoner's Rift. They act as a minor but permanent bonus you can take for your own team and deny the enemy team. They grant your entire team a small amount of XP and a permanent stacking Adaptive Force buff
oh people are going to go fucking bananas over blood roses
Deep Ward makes Stealth Wards that you place in the enemy jungle Deep, granting them +1 HP and last 30-45 seconds long
YES PLEASE GOD YES
EVEN MORE VISION
rustic kite
`Deep Ward makes Stealth Wards that you place in the enemy jungle Deep, granting...
Oh I love that concept, is it a minor rune?
rustic osprey
Grisly memento seems incredibly strong
rustic osprey
It's gonna be in Inspiration most likely
It's domination
spice glen
augh please cap it instead of it being infinite.
I fully expect a bad match to have a lux ult every 20 seconds with that.
rustic osprey
That's in aram but prob should be ye
rustic osprey
And she is giga nerfed
sonic lion
silver heath
Yeah that's pretty ungenerous
I think how good it is will depend on how good your team is about ward marking
woeful shuttle
Five minutes?!?
So in an average game you get 3 unempowered, 3 empowered procs? That seems....bad
Deep ward meanwhile gives +30-45s on ward lifetime
silver heath
Yeah Deep Ward seems way better
spice glen
I think the power behind that is that you just get to see any wards at all without expending anything else.
and how often do normal wards come up?
mighty crow
What did they do to it this time
spice glen
yeah I think if you combine oracle lens and sixth sense, you can be pretty darn good at denying sight during the match.
rustic osprey
Why six sense if you can memento for just faster oracle
rustic osprey
What did they do to it this time
spice glen
New Effect: Now causes your champion to dash to the target.
Teleport moves slower, Unleashed Teleport moves faster.
New Effect: Teleport can now target ally minions or wards.
New Effect: Now grants home guard upon arrival, effectiveness reduced before 14 minutes.
oh oops
wait can poppy deny the teleport now
rustic osprey
Base cooldown from 360 to 300 and unleashed cooldown from 330-240 to 300-240
woeful shuttle
wait can poppy deny the teleport now
poppy can't deny hexgates so no
silver heath
Champs in hexgates aren’t targetable iirc?
I was trying to think if towers could get you but that’s can’t happen normally anyway
spice glen
what I wanna know is why teleport is now considered a dash specifically
silver heath
I am guessing the idea is to slow it down and make it clearer who’s coming
rustic osprey
spice glen
so 4 seconds to get there, vesus what was it in the past?
ah found it.
a channel of 4 seconds to pop in, versus a channel of 3 seconds and a 5/4 second travel time. So a 8/7 seconds then.
So generally just a nerf outright as that's just what it is?
minions and wards targeting is nice though.
rustic osprey
ah found it.
a channel of 4 seconds to pop in, versus a channel of 3 seconds and...
nerf for laning phase ye
also makes it easier to adjust numberwise
silver heath
Nerf period I think
7 seconds is a long time for teamfight flanks
Thought it could be shorter
rustic osprey
and overall cooldown is going down atleast
spice glen
oh uh, I hope no one was looking forward to the shyvana rework.
That's been delayed to get the viktor one out
silver heath
I hope it never comes out this is funny
stone nacelle
when did shyvana even win the rework vote? ive completely forgotten at this point
spice glen
2022
rain girder
oh my god baus is a pro player now
spice glen
really??
mighty crow
What region?
rain girder
one of the EUs
mighty crow
Oh not lec, a sub league
rain girder
EMEA it says
rustic osprey
they played in the NNO cup and the upcoming redbull league
rain girder
hard times for assassins rn it feels like
feels like everyone is a bruiser
hard to get picks when everyone survives your burst
runic kayak
Started playing a few weeks ago and this game was so fun
rain girder
yorick gaming
rustic kite
I wanna say "Mathematically Correct Sett" is the funniest build name that's both descriptive and an actually good build
For those unfamiliar... so you know how bruisers/juggernauts like having a bunch of AD and a bunch of HP?
Well Sett's W scales with both stats, so what if we just optimized a build for maximum W damage (plus boots)
rustic kite
Oh I forgot Blue Ezreal
mighty crow
silver heath
Thanks that’s a much better pic
mighty crow
BotRK is purple, smh
spice glen
blurple
silver heath
BotRK is purple, smh
No it’s green 😤
mighty crow
...What?
silver heath
I’m just saying it because of Viego’s model color haha
mighty crow
Well they actually changed the item icon to match IIRC
spice glen
should have made viego purple
woeful shuttle
It's currently bleen
stone nacelle
The complimentary color to lean
rustic kite
Blue Ezreal kept changing each season depending on what items happened to have blue icons and were worth building
But the idea of mana-heavy on-hit never really went away once Manamune showed up
spice glen
Supppposedly the Shyvana rework is being pushed back AGAIN, maybe.
spice glen
okay the new skins of viktor's new model don't look as bad now so they aleast listened
stone nacelle
I never thought the day would come where id complain about having another twink in league
silver heath
Twitter
frank grotto
I'm eventually gonna have to stop playing AI matches if I wanna improve at this, huh.
rain girder
Bots can be useful for learning certain things, but real people will get you a more solid experience.
spice glen
plus bots are gonna be normally way more better than general people, and people will be way more willing to take absolute risks.
rain girder
Bots will leave when other people would stay, sometimes
etc
Also, bots won't buy components for items most of the time, and will just
Respawn with an item when they have enough god or as dictated by code
A real person will gradually buy components for items
spice glen
admittedly the new bots are also way better coded.
You can still bait the shit out of them but
fluid matrix
Alright so
I have a semi-complex head canon I wanna share, there is some disagreement with Noxian demonology here if only in terminology but that is not really the main focus
Demons in league of legends, for the uninformed, come in two tiers
Demon Kings: Primordial, godlike manifestions of emotions, but when I say primordial they just straight up aren’t people. There 10 of them in existence.
Demons: Are people, but their powers are on a comparatively smaller scale.
Each Demon seems to be Related to a Demon King and you can tell through their “elemental” connections
Fiddlesticks is Demon King of fear, and his element is this black and red otherwordly darkness and birds. Most demons in league of legends are children of fiddle(Evelyn who is a cruelty demon, Raum the demon Swain made a deal with who is a secrets demon, and Nocturne who is a nightmare demon)
Aklysh is demon king of Joy, and its reoccurring symbol is water and grasping hands. The only Spawn Of Akylsh we know of is My Boy Tahm Kench, demon of Addiction.
However Annie’s demon, Tybaulk aka Tibbers the Teddy Bear is Demon Of The Human Call To Oblivion In Response To Fire, and has fire powers. This aesthetic isn’t really covered by either of the known demon kings, however there is a demon in canon who does share the aesthetic of “weird monstrous silouhete made of flame” and that is Camphor, demon of the crushing sorrow and disappoint from those who failed the pilgrim up mount Targon to become gods.
From this, I have concluded that they are both the spawn of some Demon King Of Sorrow, who is fire themed
silver heath
Yeah that seems plausible
Demon stuff is always a guessing game since there’s so little info
fluid matrix
That’s true
I just saw the connection between Tybaulk and Camphor and went for it
(Camphor, if your curious where she is from, is a legends of runeterra card and a demon Pantheon killed)
fluid matrix
I think she’s supposed to be dead, but who knows she could have just reformed later
mighty crow
Yeah that's the thing, is it's strongly implied that like killing a demon for good is work
Apparently Nilah knows how to do it
Which isn't surprising
fluid matrix
Well she is mainling a demon king, so that probably helps
mighty crow
Yeah
Hadn't heard them called demon kings anywhere btw? Is that from the Demacian demonology?
Usually I've heard them called the ten or primordial
rain girder
I get a unique pleasure from my opponents saying "jungle gap" when I win
this game felt IMMACULATE.
Camped the shen, counterganked lee, invaded and counterjungled
Q into E evolve
silver heath
Twitter
willow oar
Gacha making me quit League of Legends fr
silver heath
Twitter
rain girder
woeful shuttle
it's what?
spice glen
the same people who got the super expensive Ahri skin, the super expensive Jhin skin uhhh..
mighty crow
The whales, yeah
These are explicitly not for the average player.
They flat don't expect them to try
They're for the whales
rustic kite
Yeah Trinimmortal was like "y'know what, since Jinx is on my Beat League docket, I'll do 10 pulls for the meme" and then immediately 180'd upon seeing that 10 pulls would be 35 bucks
rustic osprey
omega whale spotted
rain girder
Or they got giga lucky lol
Honestly, if they made it less RP for 10-pulls it wouldn't be that bad? Like
Gacha's a whole thing
But in any other scenario paying $35 for a 10-pull would be absurd
edgy trout
The idea people roll for skins still doesn't compute in my brain
edgy trout
~~skin's not even that good~~
It's pretty mid yeah
silver heath
Twitter
spice glen
I love the plat+ are the people who are going too hard on league
stone nacelle
:(((((
ocean imp
plus bots are gonna be normally way more better than general people, and people ...
on the first part, really? i don't consider myself very good at the game, but i tend to find the average player much better and more capable than the bots.
silver heath
I don’t know if that’s really relevant for the bots which are very poor at the game haha
abstract rune
I refuse to believe that bots are ever gonna be better than a player lmao
mighty crow
I've played with people worse than bots
abstract rune
somebody on your team going AFK is the slow death
mighty crow
Tbh kinda rude to the people
Like iron is a real rank and I'd mostly rather have a bot
I know people who still only play vs bots because they can't beat them.
Or do aram
silver heath
Iron players are better than bots for sure
mighty crow
Have you played vs the higher level bots since they were implemented?
Because the original bots for sure
But the highest level bots actually are pretty ok
rain girder
The amount of restraint it takes to not just say "YOU'RE PROVING MY POINT" is insane
rain girder
Basically just August being based and saying "Yeah, if your space doesn't have women playing in it, it's not because women don't like games, it's because your space is being hostile or unsafe towards women."
and a bunch of chuds in his chat being like "but women who play league are often really boosted"
and he responds with "Okay but how do you know that"
"They play like they're boosted"
"Or maybe you're perceiving their play as inferior because you see them that way. This happens in Valorant all the time and is why League can never have proper voice comms."
And so many times the chat will chime in and August shows RESTRAINT.
spice glen
and here I am just assuming most if not all really good league players are boosted in general
woeful shuttle
riot has made the correct decision by never adding voice to league
voice with randoms
rain girder
He has an anecdote about a female streamer friend of his who plays valorant
who did a test
Where she was very vocal on comms every time she played
rustic osprey
riot has made the correct decision by never adding voice to league
I think it could be fine for like actual high rank like gm+ but yee
rain girder
and kept count of how many times a male player intentionally lost their game just because they didn't want a woman to win
and it was 1 in 10 games
spice glen
pretty sure voice with randoms is a thing in league, no one just uses it nor is it enforced.
rain girder
It's only with people in your party
That's the restriction, you have to be partied up
So you'll never be able to hop into comms with your jungler in ranked solo
spice glen
huh, I've never used it so I assumed it was that
rain girder
August is also like "That's so hard to moderate and we need to keep it safe for everyone"
woeful shuttle
and kept count of how many times a male player intentionally lost their game jus...
yeah it's really high
iirc valorant moderation is a pretty significant percentage per day
lyric viper
huh
I didn't realize August was this based tbh.
🤔 but yeah, there are a lot of underlying problems in league's community that can't really be generalized as "toxicity"
you've got misogyny, racism, queerphobia,
its a whole bucket list of bad things
rain girder
Online gaming in general is pretty rife with it
In a very "It's always been like this" way, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy unless devs and community make very intentional strides to change it
League in particular I think breeds a certain level of toxicity because all it takes is one person on your side to really ruin your game
In many other team games if one person is lagging behind, the rest can pick up the slack.
One bad player on a HOTS team isn't as awful as one bad player on a League team
lyric viper
fair point. It does put a lot of pressure and expectations on your teammates
so it gets very frustrating when they don't live up to said expectations
subtle oasis
Hii hi there. I wanted to ask because I've been having my computer crash and blue screen with the new anti cheat thing. Sorry I don't remember what it's called.
I'm on Windows 10 after updating from 7.
I just wanted to ask if anyone else had similar problems?
I miss playing Sona with my friends.
rain girder
Probably a driver conflict. Uninstall and reinstall Vanguard and you hsould be fine
Happened to me before
If it boots up to a blue screen, boot it in safe mode, find the vanguard .sys file and delete it
Or just delete the whole folder and reboot, do a reinstall
Also make sure your gpu drivers are up to date
subtle oasis
Oh, my graphics card hasn't had an update for several years now.
It's an AMD Radeon (TM) R9 390 Series.
rain girder
Do we have a date for when rank resets?
stone nacelle
January 6ish i think
rain girder
Hard-fought game
Tehy tried really hard to shut down MF but kept giving her kills instead
but their team was so bonkers it was hard to get into the flow of it
fallen notch
nocturne evelyn bot sure is a lane
stone nacelle
thats a nightmare game, ekko shaco nocture and evelynn? nah ill alt-f4
rain girder
yeah it was pretty crazy
they just stat-checked our bot lane for the first 10 minutes
then Miss Fortune locked in and Zac popped off
Zilean fed Ekko pretty hard at first but wound up being crazy useful
They dive for MF or for me, Zilean ults, and then we'd just sweep after
Once we locked in it was joever
mighty crow
Riot August today just learned crabs have 10 legs, and so Urgot needs 4 legs added
silver heath
spice glen
yes rework her and get rid of her psych out and make her easier to slap yes do it you brave designers.
rustic osprey
Is it trundle or just a troll chief
woeful shuttle
Ok that's pretty cool
woeful shuttle
Is it trundle or just a troll chief
That's definitely trundle
Same colors, same rags, big true ice stick
rustic osprey
It was fucking awesome they cut the music for the brawl
ocean imp
https://youtu.be/I76wvt0aEE4?si=d-HTrM6UlKZUf2ca
this is actually gorgeous
woeful shuttle
My usual complaint where the banners are all the same
you want each unit's banner to be distinctive so people know which one to follow
woeful shuttle
Ooh
woeful shuttle
This cannot possibly cause any problems
fallen notch
https://x.com/skinspotlights/status/1877023260463739086?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qFuWkjovzB...
got that Zelda neutral special in League
stray mason
So... is Trundle just dead?
spice glen
nah he'll respawn
fluid matrix
Trundle has a deal with Lisandra or something, I'm like 90% sure he's fine
rustic kite
XD
rain girder
New patch is live
Just tried to see hwo hard it was to solo Atakhan as Kha'zix
That AOE from Voracious Atakhan was no joke.
rustic kite
rustic kite
XD
Really amused that the Urgot example made it into the trailer
(And Blitz isn't Naut but it's pretty close)
silver heath
Twitter
rustic kite
What a throwback, dang
stray mason
Is that Karma?
spice glen
no that's Mel Medarda
rustic kite
The funny bit will be when the Blitz is standing behind the ADC and gets reflected
fallen notch
wonder how the rest of the Arcane VGUs are gonna work, assuming they are in fact gonna be coming out
like it seems reasonable to assume that the original intent wasn’t to make the Arcane appearances the canon ones for the relevant champs, and some arguably don’t need it (Cait, Ekko, Heimer) but it would be weird to give Vi her Arcane look when that’s a paid skin already
but they’ve also committed at least somewhat to the shift w/ Vik, and to a lesser extent Mel, Ambessa, and Leblanc
silver heath
I think most of them are covered unless they make Lest a champ or something
Twitter
Looking forward to league’s next off-enchanter
rustic kite
I think the only one really left who's divergent from their Arcane design is Warwick
rustic kite
I loved seeing the Briar, Naut, and Amumu examples
spice glen
rain girder
LPL is starting, Fearless Draft begins
rain girder
so since the game isn't all that kind to assassins atm
I've decided to pick up Wukong as a secondary pick
But for the life of me I cannot get his jungle clear down past 3:30
silver heath
But for the life of me I cannot get his jungle clear down past 3:30
Might be helpful
rustic osprey
after many years I have finally unsubscribed to Vandiril
they kinda just turned into doomposting, ragebaiting and showcasing obscure bugs that while bad require like incredible precise settup and then selling them as game ruining
rustic kite
Oh, Fearless Draft is spicy, esp b/c strats shift as you go from Bo3 to Bo5 to Bo7
rain girder
idk Faker might be kinda tasty
silver heath
Twitter
Well that’s good I guess
Relatively generous BE gains got a lot of people I know into the game
dim tapir
wait it's been this many years and most ppl still don't have full champ?
dim tapir
15 years
spice glen
I have been playing on and off for 5 years, I Still don't have the full champ collection.
infact depending on how new players join, they might start with the full champ collection.
The Xbox thing
I have 110 (based on what the league thing says) and there's 164 since ambessa released
fluid matrix
i legit thought new players practically stopped coming in
I only started playing like a year or two ago and barely have anyone unlocked
dim tapir
puts glasses on
NO IT'S THE CHILDREN WHO ARE WRONG
but yeah, oops i'm out of touch for sure
fallen notch
honestly I could maybe pick up the full collection (or close to it) if I really wanted to, but why would I buy K'Sante when I don't play top lane and never intend to
spice glen
yeah that's also partly my thinking.
Why get champions if I don't want them.
I wish I could unbuy/get champions because man I will never touch them
dim tapir
oh i just buy all champs to spice up aram
that and i play large roster games weird, i go for breadth of knowledge rather than champion mastery depth
silver heath
Back before pick order swaps existed I got all champs to be able to facilitate any swap
But that’s pointless now haha
rustic osprey
I have all champs since atleast a few years ago
once you get all its trivial to stay on top to get all following things
rain girder
Shopify Rebellion has merged with Moist E-Sports, so now Critikal is involved with LCS, albeit indirectly
rustic osprey
Huh
rain girder
Hopping on a camp for clear is Q > R > W > E > Q, basically per camp
The fact that Elise is'nt higher is crazy though because it's basically the same for her
dim tapir
Wait is hec that spammable? I thought the CD refund only happens on hitting champs?
mighty crow
Nidalee is probably using more than a spell a second in combat
And is usually a jungle so is in combat much of the game
And is using potentially 5 of the 8 spells just out of combat off cooldown too
These all make sense to me though
Zeri doesn't want to spam Q literally always
mighty crow
The fact that Elise is'nt higher is crazy though because it's basically the same...
Elise tends to only single rotation per camp
Nidalee is often doing one human form and two to three cat from
Form
rustic osprey
Wait is hec that spammable? I thought the CD refund only happens on hitting cham...
yes its very spamamble
you need it to for jungle clear XD
silver heath
silver heath
fallen notch
completely tracks that Ziggs would not be pinging
hard to be salty when you never have to engage with your lane opponent
mighty crow
LMAO
My brain thought "Wow the average ping for a league player is much lower than I expected"
"Ziggs players must all live right on the server"
fallen notch
I also appreciate that highest pings is four junglers (who need to signal ganks in solo queue) and Draven. Also totally parses
mighty crow
Also that Viego is highest because they're both salty AND a jungler
silver heath
Yeah it’s all highly active Junglers and then Draven
dim tapir
oh graves is played in jungle these days?
silver heath
Even since his ammo rework haha
dim tapir
OK yeah i can see that - izen, plays liu bei in HoK, whose autoattack uses graves' AA model
it's honestly pretty funny to see how many heroes in HoK get a QSS component as part of their kits
like, one marksman even has one as a non-ult
woeful shuttle
I don't think liu bei was known for having a shotgun
dim tapir
it's ok, i didn't expct Alexstrasza to be a healer either
dim tapir
holy hell i've been playing aram for 13 years...
mighty crow
it's ok, i didn't expct Alexstrasza to be a healer either
Wait really? She's the Aspect of Life.
dim tapir
it's probably due to me not knowing sufficient lore, that or i mistook her for a different dragon
woeful shuttle
HOW MANY?!?
rustic kite
I think that’s actually cheaper than the Ahri skin
woeful shuttle
I think that’s actually cheaper than the Ahri skin
what the fuck?
why is
who would
ok actually we both know way too many people would buy that
I can't really be surprised anymore
rustic kite
Yeah there was a super deluxe 500 dollar Ahri skin a year or two ago
silver heath
These ultra-expensive skins fuckin suck its crazy
rustic kite
I also remember when the Ahri one came out some players would pick on anyone they saw using it
silver heath
real
rustic kite
Enemy jungler ganks nonstop, your own jungler refusing to gank, sometimes even teammates outright feeding
Doesn’t even have to be a hard feed because sometimes the enemy laner getting 1-2 free kills early on is enough to make the lane miserable
mighty crow
Also there was almost a week that ahri was banned most games despite not being very good
abstract rune
I guess it returned enough for them to try and do it again
fallen notch
what also gets me is that neither of those skins look very good IMO
got my man Zed out here looking like a gaming PC that sprouted legs
rustic kite
17:47
Yeah, that tracks
jovial stratus
it's so fucking good
I DID NOT GET TO VI BEFORE I LINKED THIS
I GOTTA DELETE IT
rustic kite
OH NO
jovial stratus
DON'T KILL ME
rustic kite
Ah, not just the general NSFW language of Dracula Flow but also set to a certain Arcane scene
jovial stratus
THAT'S ARCANE???
jovial stratus
madre de dios
woeful shuttle
que
dim tapir
at least post the search keywords so we can look it up ourselves
it it just league flow?
rustic kite
The lore of every single League of Legends champion, described by Dracula Flow
dim tapir
appreciated
edgy trout
The sesbian lex claims another
rain girder
god
I love and hate ARAM
It's so fun when it's fun but when the enemy team just has all the CC it's so boring
mighty crow
Ok so
I just want to point out that we had an argument a long time ago about whether Singed was mobile where people were saying he wasn't because it's just movement speed. And August is saying here that Jhin having movement speed on critting people is mobility. SO NYEH.
spice glen
it's great conceptually but god I hope the skin is just shit in game.
If it's very human looking (if that makes sense) I probably will skip it
stone nacelle
Arent exalted skins gacha bait?
rustic osprey
y
stone nacelle
Another w for the free-2-players B)
dim tapir
yeah mord with flesh feels weird (yes that also goes for pentakill mord)
spice glen
yeah I didn't like flesh morde.
rustic kite
I don't like his shorts, he needs more drip
I think they could've made it work but they fell short and it looks lame
spice glen
they could have done so much more to this design for a world conqueror give or take
rustic kite
I think the shoulder bits and mace look cool but they dominate so much of the design without having enough to balance them
And I can tell they put a lot of work into the beautiful animations but no one's gonna care when the model sucks
mighty crow
I think this is one of the $500 gacha skins too lmao
spice glen
it is THE 500 one.
fallen notch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okMImp1_Czg
… Morsekaiser’s whole appeal is being a faceless towering knight in armor
how you gonna make him a dude with an unimpressive mustache in a loincloth
rustic kite
With a better loincloth than that, I'd say
silver heath
… Morsekaiser’s whole appeal is being a faceless towering knight in armor
Yeah this is wild
Like fuck all exalted skins but also this is weak shit
Some of the other gambling skins at least looked good
spice glen
as a painfully big mordekaiser fan, this feels like a raw slap on the face.
fallen notch
in a grim way, I’m amused that $500 cosmetics has apparently proven a viable income stream for League
just truly ridiculous stuff
mighty crow
Shrug F2P stuff always mostly financed by whales tbh
rustic kite
The previous one was Arcane Jinx which was well done and people predictably slathered over given the success of the series
But this one is really gonna separate the whales from the... everyone else who spends money on LoL
rustic kite
The other ones at least looked good enough that people were going "I wish this wasn't 500 bucks", this one I've not seen anyone say it looks cool even before knowing what it costs
mighty crow
True
silver heath
The previous one was Arcane Jinx which was well done and people predictably slat...
There's actually another one for Sett which I think came out
mighty crow
Scrapping the Mordekaiser skin so it doesn't suck
Bringing back chests, more on battlepass and honor than per champion mastery
(Free part of the battlepass)
All champs 1/2 blue essence cost permanently going forward
Blue Essence Emporium and Your Shop confirmed still existing
silver heath
All champs 1/2 blue essence cost permanently going forward
Impressive ngl
The champ grind was always painful
rustic kite
Scrapping the Mordekaiser skin so it doesn't suck
Y'know, I'm trying to remember if they've ever had this happen with a skin before
rustic kite
Ah fair, though Lux was way back
I also remember Rusty Blitz, which was similar but that was after it was released and it never came back for sale
mighty crow
But yeah been a long time
That said also been a long time since they had as few artists as they do right now
.>
spice glen
they uh, are putting those artists through the wringer probably
hard pendant
Y'know, I'm trying to remember if they've ever had this happen with a skin befor...
There were a couple of skins years ago that they scrapped and then never revisited. Sewn Chaos Amumu and Blitz
rustic kite
Oh right I remember those now
floral furnace
Me and a friend are making a ttrpg based on the lore and world around leage/arcane and made a survuey guaging the interest and opinions on some of what we have right now https://www.reddit.com/r/loreofleague/comments/1jclzry/runeterra_ttrpg_fan_project_survey/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
mighty crow
Is there a particular system you're basing it on?
mighty crow
Ok just answered the survey
My main thing is it looks like you're basically just remaking Fate?
Why not just make a Fate hack for it?
floral furnace
Why not just make a Fate hack for it?
i am not familiar with fate
might look into it
mighty crow
She says they're ready to die for an illusion
But all imperialistic states are an illusion
rustic osprey
ohhhh noooo
mighty crow
Well, J4's reflection being Leblanc is potentially WAY more interesting now
royal seal
OH NO.
silver heath
yyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh
stray mason
So is this bad, or is this just a lore shake up?
rain girder
My thought is that she probably took the place of his mom, pretending to be her after like, icing her or something
stray mason
Oh! Hmm.
rain girder
Her being his mom would be weird but interesting
silver heath
So is this bad, or is this just a lore shake up?
I think Leblanc being able to say “I fucked ur dad” to J4 is extremely funny
fluid matrix
I think it makes sense that Leblanc fucked around with Jarvan III
Like I mean, I’m pretty sure there is a photo of her shaking hands with Dick Cheney at this point. Girl has her hand in every pie.
fallen notch
Leblanc spotted at a table next to Kissinger at the Bloomberg 50 gala
silver heath
lol
rustic kite
Also damn the original The Merch strip is 20 years old
stray mason
rain girder
can I just get oen fucking match of brawl
without a goddamn shaco
every game has just been shaco - morgana - 3x adc
or 3x bruiser
spice glen
monkey paw curls, onlyshaco
spice glen
such is the nature of the fun game modes being all sweaty try hards doing painfully meta things and ruining the fun
rain girder
just had to deal with a team whose sole purpose in life was
blitz pull and knockup into soraka silence into zilean stun into xerath stun
and you would think that you would like, be able to punish them for that
but nope lmao
spice glen
nah, you can't punish that.
It punishes you for thinking you can
stone nacelle
I was playing brawl with my buddy yesterday and our team comp was soraka, seraphine, renata, kayle, malz and by 10 minutes there was only 3 kills total in the game, an absolute pillow fight
silver heath
Ooh
rustic osprey
fearless has drastically improved comp
rain girder
why does graves do the same damage as a fucking assassin man
mighty crow
Because he is one
High burst pattern, short range but decent target access, some mitigation or movement tools but not really enough to be better at it or even keep up with anyone actually dedicated to those things
Substantially worse when not initiating the damage trade
Generally builds pure ad, usually lethality with sometimes crit
rain girder
I wind up just losing every fight I pick with him as Kha'zix even when I start it and we're on even footing
feels like he just fuckin two-taps me
Like, I come in from bush, auto, Q, ult to reset passive, duck behind, auto, Q, and then in the two hits he was able to pull off I'm fuckin' dead
mighty crow
Mmm. You should win those if he didn't already have E stacks up I think if you're even?
rain girder
That's what I think, too
mighty crow
Did he have levels on you maybe?
rain girder
I don't typically pick fights if they're 2 levels above me, but I'll take one with a 1-level difference
mighty crow
A one level difference makes insane amounts of difference in assassin gifts
Fights
Specifically
Because of lethality and armor per level
rain girder
hmm, maybe
mighty crow
And the fact combos are long so the difference between the time to do 2 combos that do 90% of their HP or 1 that did 100% is uh, a long time
rain girder
I just don't feel like it like... should matter that much when I got the jump on him
mighty crow
Also did his Q hit you in a wall?
rain girder
In one of the fights, yes
(It's happened two games recently, so that's my recent sample size)
mighty crow
You probably do just lose if he gets that into auto into ult
It's also worth noting that kha is a reset and very very high target access in his power budget
As where graves has more just brawl strength in his
So while they do both do assassin patterns kha works way better with a buddy
rain girder
Yeah, it just makes for really annoying situations when he like
tries to invade me and I see him coming
then I try to get the jump on him and he just
wins
like this doesn't seem right lol
mighty crow
Shrug
Too many variables for me to say?
But I will say that in general that should be your battle to lose I guess
rain girder
Yeah, might be worth me looking over the replays
mighty crow
Like you need to dodge the 2nd q hit, you need to cancel out his autos with going into stealth
But he does farm faster than you so if he has item and/or level advantage, his kit is better designed for fights than kha is
Similarly to how rengar is also often going to win if both characters are even
rain girder
Oh yeah, rengar's a nightmare for me
mighty crow
Because kha in the right situation gets to go in then out
And graves and rengar are just kind of stuck in
rain girder
the safety of bushes is no longer safe for me as kha, when rengar's involved
mighty crow
So they have more of their budget in being ok just fighting
If you do want to just kill people more, or just win in jungle more, it might be worth considering maybe kha isn't what you're looking for?
mighty crow
Like kha really wants to be working with an ally to do the last 40% HP to 3-4 enemies right, that's the dream
rain girder
I'm almost 500k mastery on him, I know what I'm about. I love weaving in and out of fights and picking off priority targets. It's just really fuckin annoying that in these two recent games graves has just
Completely no-sold me
mighty crow
Yeah
I guess that I'll say he should in a "fair" fight ? But you shouldn't ever have to fight him fair, and you have good ability to just fuck off with e if you don't want to
rain girder
He honestly might be worth a ban spot in place of pantheon, who's my usual go-to for a ban right now
I can win a fight against pantheon if I get the jump on him
duck behind his W and kill him when he tries to save himself
mighty crow
Hmm. Pantheon doesn't tend to bother me much just because while he'll beat your ass you do just outscale hard too
rain girder
but the point and click stun is just so devastating sometimes
so I usually ban him
Him or mundo
Mundo because, while I don't really care about him, he's crazy popular because of that one streamer's videos and my allies tend to just... let him kill them
rain girder
yeah lol
mighty crow
He's just a damage check
rain girder
surprisingly I can actually kill him as kha, it just takes a while
But he doesn't do enough damage to me for me to care that much
mighty crow
" do you do enough damage? No? I'm actually invincible"
Or "oh fuck you do, all I do is damage so if you can actually kill me I'm kinda useless"
A Mundo not doing well is the saddest thing
rain girder
I love going for W evo when there's a mundo in game
the slow is so good
W evo is just good in general
mighty crow
Tbh it's kinda great in general
Oh that's probably something that's good vs graves too tbh
rain girder
yeah
mighty crow
W him a few times while keeping spacing until he's burstable
rain girder
Q is just so important for farming. W second might be a play to try next time it happens
mighty crow
Because yeah if you go into melee and don't kill him he will kill you before you get to try again
rain girder
If I'm going turbo greed killfarming I go Q > R > E
but I usually like going Q > W > E in general
mighty crow
Another possibility there was a build difference?
Like if you're going pure assassin
rain girder
The first one rushed collector, the other rushed ghostblade
mighty crow
Mmm NVM then
rain girder
if I lost to him becuase he was bruisery I'd understand yeah
mighty crow
Because he has some more bruiser builds yeah
rain girder
I will say
The fights were a LITTLE close when he only had assassin items
but then when he picked up eclipse I just couldn't touch him
mighty crow
And those are kinda made to fuck with assassins
rain girder
who built ravenous hydra and just spam-cleared jungle on repeat
idk, maybe I'll have to lock in some graves games
see how he ticks
that's how I got to playing kha'zix
I used to main support and got super butthurt over a really strong and very good kha'zix player
then I played him and learned that playing assassins is like crack cocaine
mighty crow
Kha is great but personally I don't like how reliant he is on allies most of the time
rain girder
Had a very strange occurrence just now
33 minute game
At 25 minutes in I DC, my internet going on the fritz
But we were STOMPING.
Like, it wasn't even fair.
I was popping the enemy Sejuani like a bacon-filled balloon any time she walked into her jungle
It was a right slaughter
I fiddle with my game and my internet to try and get back in because I'll be damned if I lose LP because of internet trouble
Get back in 8 minutes later
Game's over, I'm at the normal league home screen
no notice of any penalty
rain girder
Oh yeah my team wound up winning, but like, I figured I'd get some sort of penalty or restriction
rain girder
fearless draft in best of 5 be like
rustic kite
Can't wait to see Bo7
fallen notch
back in after like nine months absence; trying to pick up Aurora but sadly she seems to be in the Glasc pit of “you can kinda see how it works in theory but it’s too weird to execute in practice”
mighty crow
She was insane in pro
And so kinda got the shit kicked out of her
As far as overall power goes
rain girder
still pretty good afaik
fallen notch
Really? Maybe I just do not get what she does then. Having to get so close to do damage with no hard CC and questionable engage feels really rough
rain girder
She's more of a skirmish-y mage
solid waveclear for frequent pressure
decent for roaming
mighty crow
Yeah, her patterns are more poke and trade than all in
Go invisible, hit both spells and run away giggling
And she has pretty good lane push for control
So as long as you play around wave control decently it's not so bad
Definitely has some bad matchups but generally her invis lets her get close to the ones who want to keep her out
Or to get away from the ones she wants to keep space from
But the E helps you do that pretty well even without that tbh
And then the ult is just a really strong teamfight tool
The main thing is that while technically your autos DO apply your 3-hit passive, Q+E is 3 hits
So you don't need to auto to just do your quick trade pattern
You can just zip in, zip out
rain girder
Yeah, she's a lane bully
Her advantage comes from applying pressure through waveclear, forcing them to stay in lane while being able to disengage well enough on her own, and from making it hard for them to do so, because of her poke.
Making them decide between hitting you and farming
mighty crow
The fantasy is to hit someone AND the wave with Q
Then you get to do both
But if you Q the wave and auto-auto->E the enemy while they're focusing on you, you probably get lane priority
Or just Q the wave and then W away and when they have to go back to paying attention to wave you do things again
mighty crow
It's not instant but it's good enough to apply pressure vs the people who want to fight her
And she's good enough at getting in to fight the people who don't want to fight
This is all what makes her REALLY good in pro, she's very flexible in her gameplan and taking advantage of what enemy lanes are weak to
But this is what makes her a lot less good not in pro
You have to actually know what you're supposed to do vs each enemy rather than having a standard gameplan that just kinda works
So if you get good at the champ she's a nightmare to deal with
The appropriate term that the designers use a lot is "Agency"
High agency champs like her and say, Ezreal, have a lot less upfront power
Because so much of their power is just in deciding when and how they actually want to fight
fallen notch
interesting; I can play a halfway decent Ez but that's usually AP Ez funny mid lane
which is fairly formulaic; hit the mark and then explode it with E
mighty crow
Yeah AP Ez has a lot less agency
Since it's mostly Ez E that gives him all his agency and AP Ez has to use it as a damage tool
Well, a lot of his agency
Having insanely ranged Qs does a lot too, but AP Ez Qs are a lot less good too
fallen notch
okay yeah doing lane bully things was good for Aurora, hell yeah
mighty crow
Yeah she has to play really active
Regardless of which way you interact
Her trade pattern is just very strong and hard to interact with
lyric viper
🤔
once again I'm thinking of this one incredible game
I was morde top vs an irelia
and midway through laning phase my team (iirc we're a 4-5 stack) decided to like. chill out in mid
with the enemy team
except for me and Irelia who were still trying to kill each other
so
after a bit of communication, we decided to have some fun
and pentakill each other
like we'd line up to get penta'd
then one of us would penta the enemy team (who had also lined up)
and then idk what happened next cuz I forgor
maybe we ff'd, maybe they did, idk
it WAS very funny tho
rain girder
I just made this rengar ragequit
Level 1 I go to my river bush to protect invades, but he got there first so he jumps on me out of bush. Lux comes up to assist me, he uses flash and dies
I'm clearing my botside jungleafter that, he goes to level 2 gank botlane, gets a kill.
I know where he is, he's gonna be occupied with his wolves. So I run to his raptors and wait for him. He's less than half health whne he gets there, so I kill him
I go to take scuttle, see him going to his red. So I hop the wall and go to his red, smite it away, Lissandra comes up to collapse, I kill rengar and then run, Lissandra chases into Lux, we kill Lissandra
Rengar ragequits and the team surrenders
zero speech except for me saying "Please Rengar come back, I want my 4th evolution"
rain girder
12 game winstreak in ranked
rain girder
wholesome chat interactions
guy got bodied in jungle, posted his twitch stream in chat
I went in and complimented him on what he did well
and gave him some tips
was a good time
rain girder
rustic kite
Off the cuff guess, "Malphite doesn't do anything" and one of the things he doesn't do is "die"
rustic osprey
usually when malph is strong its a farm jungle meta
but i havent played in a bit
he also got buffed recently
woeful shuttle
why is malphite 53% winrate with 6% pickrate
Extremely strong and hard to play against poke in lane, good initiation
toxic cargo
Off the cuff guess, "Malphite doesn't do anything" and one of the things he does...
you need a bit more just to not die to have that winrate
and it's plain wrong for malphite to exist in this state
unfun champion
mighty crow
Malphite is by nature an over 50% winrate champ
He's very simple to pilot
And has almost zero learning curve
If you've played 10-15 games of Malphite you probably play him as well as someone who has 100 games on him
Most people playing most characters aren't specialists, they bounce around between them
So most characters have lower winrates for their power in order to be good
Because if they were high enough winrate to be a 53% winrate for people at 10 games, they'd be like a 58% winrate for people at 100 games
And that's bad
Malphite on the other hand can live comfortably at better than normal winrate because he's both a counter pick(You're unlikely to pick him blind or into things that he's bad into in general) and easy as hell, so his base strength can be higher
rain girder
Also, it doesn't matter how bad you are in lane
Or how behind you are
Or your CS numbers, all stats are irrelevant
If you are Level 6 and have put a point into your ultimate
You will be a teamfight monster
Catch at least 2 people and you're already doing god's work
mighty crow
Yep!
You can lose lane and still do good work.
And it's important to note this kind of character is important to the game
You need the Malphites and Leonas of the world
Who just Do The Useful Thing
rain girder
They are a vital part of the ecosystem
I was teaching a friend about laning in botside the other day, he's fairly new
I picked Leona
and he said "so what does Leona do"
"She goes in."
rain girder
"Okay but what do her abilities do?"
"Go in."
"What's her ult?"
"Stun them so that she can go in."
mighty crow
Q is for when you're in, W you pop once you've gone in, E is how you go in, and R makes them sit still so you can go in
rain girder
It's like how they were like
"We want Vi's theme to be punching. So there is nothing in her kit that is not some sort of punch"
mighty crow
Likewise for Malphite, Q is for keeping them in, W is for once you've gone in, E is for once you've gone in, and R is how you go in
You just kinda hit R and YOUR ENTIRE KEYBOARD
For both characters
Yes you can do things like auto resets for optimizing but
Overall?
You hit ult and the entire rest of your kit
rain girder
I'm considering starting a fizz-only alt account
my main is LowTierKha, and with the alt account I can be DarkSydeFizz
mighty crow
What if you were HighTierFizz
mighty crow
LowTierKha makes me think of LowTierGod yeah
rain girder
exactly
mighty crow
But I dunno who DarkSydeFizz is
rain girder
and then DarkSydePhil
mighty crow
Oh, I don['t think I've heard of them
Probably for the best
I only know LTG because I follow some fighting streamers who have mentions of LTG banned in their chats
rain girder
yeah probably
but the reference is funni
and I love it
speaking of my main buggy boy
I've been running voltaic cyclosword first item
with R evolve
I was suspicious of R evo first but it's been really good
also riot put high noon kha'zix and rengar into the pc client thank you
fallen notch
I've been enjoying engage supports who make use of Bloodsong recently
Camille and J4 primarily, but also a bit of Bard and Mantheon
and ideally using Shaco when the enemy team is structured to make those picks kinda bad
mighty crow
Yeah it's really nice
rain girder
opportunity rush feels nice
Also, enjoy my kha'zix playlist
for when I plan to lock the fuck in
invaded sett early that game, got to get his topside, my topside, and my botside
juicy
woeful shuttle
You can lose lane and still do good work.
also laning against malphite when he has a winning matchup is pure suffering
you can't do anything against him and just have to run as much regen as you can and hope that he runs out of mana before you run out of HP
mighty crow
Depends on character, yeah.
A lot of characters can just waveclear and then go do something useful.
woeful shuttle
but the way you lane against malphite is basicalyl doing your best to avoid interacting with him
which sucks
toxic cargo
And it's important to note this kind of character is *important to the game*
move him to support then
toplane is already counterpick hell
He sucks to play against in my sacred thunderdome
his only interaction is throwing q at the opponent occasionaly
just plain misery
rain girder
Caps looks like a Bond villain
lyric viper
One Jinx tells the truth, the other lies
silver heath
rain girder
"Evil does not relinquish power" is a hard line
rustic kite
Damn I forgot that Bite Marks was earlier this year
fallen notch
That’s Naafiri, right?
fallen notch
right, right