That was ||A fucking slaughter||
#League of Legends
rain girder
bronze void
||:(||
rustic osprey
||g2 omega threw game 2 and 3 FUUUUUUCK||
mighty crow
Holy shit
I feel a little bad for their bot lane lmao
We got shoved in by the Sona/Draven until level 3, when Ivern showed up and we just murdered them, and then I just 1v2 laned until I was 7 and they were like 5 while Bard went and helped the rest of the map.
At which point I double killed them because Sona got poked too hard
Camille had 10 cs to Vayne freezing at her tower with 30 but they just got 3v4'd on rest of map so hard
spice glen
oh no, he died?!
rustic osprey
No?
rain girder
riot really thought they cooked with blackfire torch huh
because we needed more dots
mighty crow
Honestly yes.
As a DoT mage player, the itemization was absolute garbage.
Ever since they made Liandry not a mana item
I kinda think they should have made Liandry and Torch exclusive though
rain girder
I just had a game with a brand jungle, teemo top, and an AP nasus mid
All their items were Liandry's + Torch
and it was miserable lol
That game was also kind of doomed because my rakan really liked to bring things over to me
Brand passive? He comes to me.
Senna root? He comes to me.
So maybe it's not the best sample game for that item, but man it was pretty annoying
mighty crow
Yeahhh
They've said a number of its users need to be tuned down a little
To account for it being good
Hwei I think was the biggest one
rain girder
also I just need to accept smolder being picked
and ban senna
so annoying
Senna and Pyke are the most annoying supports imo
mighty crow
I don't mind either, but you need to play aggro vs them both
If they're getting to dictate plays they're insufferable
rain girder
I just find Senna's infinite scaling range and damage to be obnoxious, and her itemization with AD makes her hurt just as much as a normal ADC
Pyke represents a shift in design that I just really don't like
rustic kite
You think Pyke's more annoying than when poke mage supports were strong?
rain girder
I've gone on this spiel before but my hatred for Pyke stems from the era when Support was like
The role nobody wanted because you "weren't doing damage"
Which was a fundamental misunderstanding of what the role was supposed to be, but "me want big dps" was what people wanted, so they gave us the assassin support
but I'd rather face a brand support 2000 times more than a Pyke
rustic kite
I remember early Pyke was pretty bad b/c he had like midlaner damage even on support items but after he was toned down he seems fine
rain girder
idk I was just deep in the Enchanter sauce when Pyke released, real fixated on my identity as a support player at the time
So to have people lauding riot for "finally making a fun support" and it's just this assassin fish guy rubbed me the wrong way
so I've got a bias lol
Pyke's just badfeels all around
rustic kite
Honestly I think part of why people find him fun is he's got mobility and it doesn't require an ally or enemy or wall in the space you want to go to
woeful shuttle
Honestly I think part of why people find him fun is he's got *mobility* and it d...
he was also kinda overtuned, generated a shitload of money and had fun stealth mechanics
pyke was a support who wasn't a tank who had a ton of agency in terms of roaming and getting kills and initiation
and he dealt tons of damage
rustic kite
Yeah the overtuning I alluded to above, IIRC his gold gen actually got buffed in exchange for toning his damage down
bronze void
One of the biggest things of old pyke was you could actually play him as a midlaner because e did damage to creeps and the q stab damaged everything it hit
bronze void
I'm sad they killed rell jungle, even if I get it. Was one of my favourite picks, and I basically always get pidgeonholed into jungle with my friends so I don't get to play support rell
rustic osprey
One of the biggest things of old pyke was you could actually play him as a midla...
And top and jungle
The G2 special
I did play a bunch of pyke jungle aswell before that msi 😌
fallen notch
bnuuy
jovial stratus
The ahri skin is HOW MUCH
mighty crow
About $500
It's fucked up
There's folks trying to organize a boycott by banning Ahri every game
rain girder
Wait, is it one of those "You have to get X amount of event tokens" type deals or is it just egregiously expensive by default?
Okay so you get the base version of the skin for 40
and then the next tiers up are 300 and 500
mighty crow
Yep
Base version also includes the battle pass
So it's arguable it's more like 15-20?
But the other tiers are NUTS
silver heath
Yeah the tier 1 is normal basically a legendary
And the the T2 and T3 are fucking whack
dim tapir
new champ or ahri?
spice glen
stay in jungle viego.
mighty crow
I hope Riot brings back Viego into lane
They did already?
His passive works on minions again
toxic cargo
NOT YET! (Enough)
His pickrate on toplane is like 5% at this point and not really super good, especially against the stat checkers that are in the lane
mighty crow
He honestly shouldn't be good vs stat checkers though
Light fighters aren't supposed to be
He should be roughly as good as like, Yi top, which is situationally really disgusting but definitely not a main pick let alone a blind pick
Imo
Reset carries too scary
Oh, or Kayle
Weak early but scales really well
woeful shuttle
I hate kayle
mighty crow
I like her personally
There's so much tension all the time in playing her
You have to claw for every bit of advantage
If the opponent plays well you often can be 20-30 cs down and getting tower dived
And you just gotta make it work
toxic cargo
He honestly shouldn't be good vs stat checkers though
From my experience he's good against...idk, Sion maybe
mighty crow
Ah he's apparently pretty decent mid
That makes sense
Has trouble vs burst and control mages but good vs people who have to actually fight him it looks like
fallen notch
Do we know what the new champ does at all?
silver heath
Yeah Viego is pretty usable mid now
It's probably for the best that the manaless reset skirmisher isn't good top though
(I like Viego jungle and he gets walloped hard every time he's remotely blind pickable top haha)
rustic kite
With the number of toplane champs there are 5% pick rate is perfectly fine
silver heath
I was assuming that was 5% of the time the champ is picked it’s for top lane not a 5% toplane presence
mighty crow
.4% pick rate for top
So yeah
14% for jungle
Which is more like 3%
But you'd have to ignore he also gets picked mid more than top
...Only .7% so
Double as much mid as top but
Still not a lot
XD
He does notably have positive winrates vs poppy and volibear
But uh, that's it for notable top laners I think
Poppy is pretty good though
silver heath
Yeah being able to pick him into poppy and win is interesting
mighty crow
Maybe a little too specific a niche counterpick but like
That's where I think he probably lives in a healthy state
As a niche counterpick
rustic osprey
most disgusting aram comp i have ever played against
bronze void
Oh wow that looks horrendous lol
bronze void
I'm surprised she had 9 deaths even, killing her through 3 supports and a kayle sounds impossible
rustic osprey
Can post the full team
but ye we had 0 ranged cc outside orn ult and swain e or even range
bronze void
Ouch, that's a pretty brutal comp gap
rustic kite
I'm surprised she had 9 deaths even, killing her through 3 supports and a kayle ...
Gotta buy items sometimes
rain girder
No, I just read this Lillia like a fucking book
People get oen good invade and then think they've won the game
also jesus christ profane hydra is such a good addition to the game
mighty crow
IDK if I agree but it definitely is good for assassins
rain girder
I do have a bias
mighty crow
Nice
high crow
damn arena got beeg when i wasnt looking
high crow
oh my god the skin is actually 500 bucks
high crow
i thought it meant 500 bucks in the gambling way
mighty crow
No
rain girder
Yeah, like, if it was something you COULD pay egregious money for but could rank up through a battlepass that would be one thing
But no the full version of the skin with all the bells and whistles is straight up 500
silver heath
Honestly it just being expensive as fuck feels better to me than it being gacha expensive as fuck
I'm pretty good at resisting fomo but I find it easier to be like "nah not for me" for a 450$ skin than the gambled lure of "but you could get it on roll one tho"
high crow
if its a (non-fighting game) cosmetic then hell no
rain girder
I'd be fine if it was something you had to grind for, too. Not in the RNG sense but in the sense of "Play enough games, get enough of X token/resource, upgrade the skin"
silver heath
if its a (non-fighting game) cosmetic then hell no
I don't think a fighting game cosmetic is worth 450$
slate willow
But no the full version of the skin with all the bells and whistles is straight ...
mfw faker is such a cheapskate that he's on record saying he was waiting for SKT T1 Ryze skin to show up on Your Store so he can get it on sale
no way in hell he's using his own ahri skin lmao
mighty crow
They might give it to him for free tbh
slate willow
I think he gets rp for free from them but still chooses to play without a skin
rustic kite
Huh, I kinda assumed the teams would get their team’s skins for free
Like as a matter of course
slate willow
Huh, I kinda assumed the teams would get their team’s skins for free
they get 25% of the cash from the skins
25% of championship skin + ward goes to worlds prize pool
25% of challenger skin goes to MSI prize pool
25% of team championship (skt t1 ryze for example) goes to the players, team and league that inspired them (so skt t1 ryze goes to faker and t1 and their league)
That's what the numbers were 5 years ago at least
8 even lmoa
rustic kite
Yeah I vaguely remember that bit
stray mason
Did they ever confirm Leesin and Udyr were a thing?
stray mason
Yay!
rain girder
Not canonically, but the spirit of it endures
They chickened out
She's still trans in my heart
high crow
whatever was going on in the last star guardians thing was coded enought to make a software
rain girder
I must confess, didn't pay much attention to that
high crow
shes the only reason i did
i cant find any screencaps but it had her running home to change into baggy clothing before hangouts
like saying it in everyway but the word
high crow
the tft event having a bunch of old synergies is so fun
fallen notch
i cant find any screencaps but it had her running home to change into baggy clot...
gotcha famalam
oh wait why spoiler
oh well
high crow
glad to see yorick has changed a bit in the time ive been gone
high crow
the new champ looks really fun
rain girder
New champion?
oh she's perfect
Oh, aurora is canonically autistic
That's pretty cool
slate willow
Yupyupyup, put her in bot Lane please
rustic osprey
Twitter
woeful shuttle
Unsurprising
stray mason
Are top lane mages a thing?
high crow
apparently
mighty crow
Yeah
Viktor for a long time
Was a good example
Jayce is kinda a mage
We've seen Cassio top a few times
Rumble too
Swain, Ryze
Vlad
Sylas
Leblanc
Neeko
Lissandra
Etc
Lots of mages
rustic kite
Vlad and Rumble were like the top lane mages at one point and everyone else a side dish
Well slash AP bruiser in the latter case
rustic kite
Eh, would not go Vlad bot
mighty crow
Vlad bot was really good when they first opened bot lane to mages
rustic kite
Ye, but mages had better tower-pushing then
mighty crow
That was... Seaosn 8 I think?
IDK
Well, sure
Ryze isn't even a real champion atm
So he can't very well go top
I'd go vlad bot I think before I pick Ryze anywhere
XD
rustic kite
RN I think Vlad lacks the tower-push to be bot carry, and pushes the lane too hard to run his game plan as bot support
high crow
vlad/thresh with demolish sounds effective
rustic kite
Though I guess if you wanted to run a "good luck farming under tower" botlane he's a good support for that
rustic osprey
Kennen always forgotten 😔
dim tapir
One one hand new pve mode
err where do i access that?
dim tapir
ah
toxic cargo
https://x.com/Spideraxe30/status/1803847895868743857
I TOLD EVERYONE
Riot will not give us a toplaner that isn't a juggernaut or a tank
high crow
brusiers
mighty crow
Which would be horrible
rustic osprey
And we all loved to play vs iceborn Viktor top 
silver heath
Which would be horrible
Yeah looking at her kit its a good thing that she can't toplane well lol
% max HP damage mobile ranged magic damage champion haha
toxic cargo
brusiers
And I say fuck stale ass toplane darius olaf ornn malphite meta
Just pick your doran's shield and second wind and she's tickling you at best
rustic kite
Olaf is meta again? Dang
silver heath
awful
fallen notch
I kinda don’t get how she’s supposed to work. Strong ult but otherwise lacks CC and operates on consistent damage is what I’ve understood
high crow
gank mid
stray mason
What cultures do the Buhru borrow from?
Hearing the VAs from the Ruined King, they make me think they're from the African diaspora a bit. Though I'm not 100% familiar with most Polynesian accents, so I might be wrong.
rustic osprey
been really enjoying the lcs changes
muted pivot
muted pivot
i think bard would be the third domain
Death Realm of the Iron Emperor
World Shifting Veil
side note, much prefer the cloak/parka look from her teaser than the gacha girl look she got in her offical model
high crow
slate willow
You mean you don't want another Generic Pretty Face #7319593?
stray mason
You can do that
Just make the suit look less like latex.
A bit of chitin would go a long way.
I'm in no way against sexy designs. Just try to make them interesting and make them feel like the concept the character is supposed to represent.
Like... just make Kai'Sa's suit chitin and make her a bit of a monster girl, and boom.the design works a lot better.
Give her a cool scar
Just make her a bit weird.
high crow
xeno kaisa is very popular with (the respectable part of) the fandom
mighty crow
Yeah
This is very cold take
Almost everyone is upset with kaisa being traditional attractive lady with purple skin tight suit
Oh no she is so terrifying and ugly she never understand how anyone could love her, she only looks like Angelina Jolie in alien fetish gear
stray mason
It's not even that she's pretty, she's very human.
high crow
is orianna support any good nowadays
paper crown
Could probably run Ori/Senna with farming Ori.
high crow
wtf rito why isnt 9/0 in 17 minutes s rank
mighty crow
Farm probably bad
slate willow
what champ
mighty crow
10 per minute is the "good" farm level I believe
slate willow
10 per minute is peak
118 is 7 cpm, not bad by all means
but rank depends on champs
s is easier to get in arams and longer matches where you get to pop off
cause 9/0 and 118 is gonna get the same at 17m and 25m lol (if you bring creep up)
cause it's hte same scores
9 kill, 0 deaths, around 7cpm
mighty crow
NAUTILUS TOP IS BACK BAYBE
slate willow
heckin' baus
fluid girder
in an act of unparalleled folly i downloaded league after not playing for like four years
it appears that yuumi on jungler is now the meta 🤔
rustic kite
Yuumi and Amumu?
high crow
those r's combined sounds annoying as hell
especially against a team with nothing resembling a tank
fluid girder
it got me the "win a game without ever dying and with at least 30% kill participation" achievement on my first game on the account
which feels pretty funny
fluid girder
I forgot how much I enjoy playing Mundo
as he always says, malpractice makes malperfect
high crow
he is and plays like a wall of flesh with a big knife
high crow
they are in his care to the very end
mighty crow
Fun fact: Hitting people with Nautilus Q counts as "Knocking people back into your team" as far as Insec achievement goes
Lmao
high crow
i mean ig
high crow
hang on diana in arena may be top teir
rustic osprey
with the exception for aram and like mundo is also kinda a p bad item
high crow
cho and ornn
rustic kite
It's funny on Sion because big number but also IIRC not actually ideal
high crow
god i miss prowlers clawe
mighty crow
Yeah it's mostly not a very good item
Especially after warmogs buffs
Warmogs is so good ATM
mighty crow
I'm glad all the extra dash items are gone
high crow
i want reksai mid prowlers back
silver heath
I'm glad all the extra dash items are gone
me too I was always super skeptical that they were a good idea at all
rustic osprey
Galeforce simply just broke adc in a wonky way
silver heath
yeah
paper crown
I'd maybe be interested in seeing them explore some sort of snowball or tether dash.
fluid girder
is brand the only champion in the game who can do four different roles?
in the few days since i picked the game up, i've seen him as a jungler, a mid, a support, and adc
high crow
teemo is pretty versatile too
paper crown
In fashions that are currently meta/viable, I believe so.
Though you might be able to quad flex Neeko.
That said, in a historical perspective, quite a few champions have seen meta play in 4 roles, just seldom concurrently.
rustic kite
I remember Kayle was a pretty versatile pick historically too, IDK which ones she's still good in
woeful shuttle
I hate playing against kayle top does that count
high crow
well forcing a RQ can be quit valuable
high crow
god kayn clears too damn fast
fluid girder
guh
i feel like i could enjoy warwick's playstyle
but three games in a row i tried to play him and got matched against a top laner with really high mastery and got steamrolled
i guess it wasn't meant to be
mighty crow
He's a great counterpick top yeah
Something like Darius that wants to all in
He kinda rips apart
But he's mostly Trundle but worse that way IMO
high crow
chase and nothing else in his favor
fluid girder
is there any way to view what the enemies' abilities are in the loading screen or in-game?
or do you need to just memorize everyone beforehand
high crow
i mean there are side apps
i use face checks for the free build info
since its changed like 3 times
massively
most of them have all the stuff on em
woeful shuttle
third party app or memorize
high crow
or really fast google
fluid girder
Volibear also has some S-tier voice lines
but less in a comedic way and more in an "ancient BBEG" way
"When my brother gave the humans fire, they forgot the fire of their own blood."
"They have forgotten the old ways. The old ways have not forgotten them."
"My land was named by a god. It can not be renamed by a coward."
high crow
when the hell did rek mid get nerfed
mighty crow
Rek'sai mid?
Like, several patches ago
They nerfed her lane sustain repeatedly
After the mini rework she was just a top tier top lane sustain tank
high crow
damn
mighty crow
And they just kept hitting her until she went back to jungle
mighty crow
But she gets almost no resource from hitting lane minions now
high crow
weird it feels like fighting games have made my predictions better
cause my ekko is alot cleaner now than it was before
rain girder
Volibear also has some S-tier voice lines
Aatrox has some really good ones, too.
Some really funny ones, too.
Enemy flashes mastery
"Mastery? I must congratulate you, obviously your parents never had reason to."
Long Move
"Once in a noble battle, I screamed against the silence. I stood as light against the darkness. Now, I serve a new master... oblivion."
rain girder
high crow
highly depends on who the enemy jungler is
high crow
god i always forget i have stopwatch
rustic osprey
illaoi support vs full AP yumi can't hurt you, just look away
They played double support ahhhhhh
high crow
yeah yummi fucking dumpstered them the first half
rustic osprey
pure hate
triple heal/shield suport with the adc that does indeed increase heal and shields
lyric viper
and taliyah
rustic osprey
I didn't show but we also had 3 dash reliant champs....
rustic kite
triple heal/shield suport with the adc that does indeed increase heal and shield...
Nilah be like "look at me, I'm the tank now"
rustic osprey
The only direction I know is Forward
fluid girder
i think i enjoy playing jungle a lot more than playing lane
it's a lot more engaging to have to stay on top of how everything in the map is going and prioritize where you should or shouldn't go for something
versus sitting around micromanaging minions all game
mighty crow
Depends on what you enjoy yeah
fluid girder
man it's so BS that they made a champion with vayne's character design
but made her so i don't enjoy playing her
why would they do this to me
fluid girder
what do you mean?
mighty crow
Aurora? Kaisa?
Jump around next to the enemy when invis is kinda what I think of as Vayne design
Kaisa is mostly considered the Vayne 2.0 since she's also a close range ADC shredder with an odd damage type
But I could see arguing that Aurora is too
mighty crow
Ohhhh, I thought you were saying like, they made someone LIKE vayne, notthat you didn't like Vayne herself
Have you tried Kaisa?
dim tapir
By character design that you liked, did you mean aesthetically or mechanically?
If we're talking about mechanically, I wonder if you'd enjoy kindred more
mighty crow
Kindred is pretty Vayne-patterned yeah
And jungle
Which you said you're gravitating toward
fluid girder
i haven't tried kaisa, but i really don't like playing adc
i'll try seeing how kindred feels
willow oar
Kai'sa is genuinely my favourite ADC in terms of her kit
Because I like the encouragement of an on-hit, hybrid build without diminishing the quality of AP or regular crit builds
She just flows so well build-wise IMO
fallen notch
I am once again asking my supports not to play Yuumi
no vision score, no CC
character does absolutely nothing to help you in the actual laning phase
mighty crow
This is not true with a good yuumi but
A good yuumi is pretty lane dominant actually
It's really funny to me they designed her to be the easiest support and she's actually one of the hardest
woeful shuttle
You can get good vision score on yuumi you just have to hop off every now and again
I think she'd be much healthier if the jump on was a limited duration thing and she had closer to normal stats
fluid girder
honestly I think yuumi could be fixed if she just had a hitbox that automatically followed her host while she's latched on
so new players still wouldn't need to worry about movement, but she wouldn't be invincible
and high level players could do clutch plays of briefly unattaching to dodge a skill shot then reattaching
mighty crow
Honestly I'd just put attach on her ult
Give her a normal-ish kit
And make her attachment super power everything for a short duration
Q stays as Q, ult becomes W, E stays as E but now is you and closest ally like Kayle W
W becomes ult, gives a chunk of stats to your attached target and empowers all your abilities while attached while making you untargettable
But a limited duration
Q becomes just a nroaml skillshot with slight homing onto the nearest champion, in ult it becomes much more homing
Ult is much longer duration while attached/fewer waves when not attached
E applies your attached ally AND another ally instead of you and ally, or maybe just everyone close to you even
So she'd do almost all the same stuff, but she'd be closer to like a weird lulu kinda deal, less focused on CC but more focused on buffs
fluid girder
at that point she's not even the same character tho
mighty crow
Lulu keeps flexibility and better CC, but Yuumi has more buffing potential
Yes?
😄
I think the semi-permanent attachment concept was an error TBH
fluid girder
like that's not a rework at that point, it's just a different character with the same model and some similar abilities
mighty crow
They've said they think it's an error
So this is how I'd get rid of it while trying to keep mostly the same play patterns of abilities
And not have to do a ton of new animations/etc
It'd be like an Udyr level rework basically. Not quite as extreme as like, Aatrox or Swain got, but a pretty intense one.
The kit functions in the same ways mostly if you squint, but at the whole the character is very different yeah.
As where Aatrox/Swain literally coulda been entirely new champions alongside their original ones, and people wouldn't have really known because they're so different.
rustic kite
I think like a middle ground could be like you have a max duration on attach, but it's refreshed if you hit an enemy champ with Q/R, or your anchor AAs an enemy champ while buffed by E
mighty crow
Yeah
Something to make attaching a decision
I'd be ok with like, W only lasts 10 seconds with a 20 second cooldown or something
With high CDR you can then be attached a lot of the time
fluid girder
why isn't Nasus jungle a thing?
he gets triple Q stacks from every jungle camp, so he builds it up even faster than in a lane
and he has one of the best slows in the game, so ganks seem like they would be good
and for some reason he has the second highest base movement speed in the game, so he can get around the map reasonably fast
paper crown
Clear speed is pretty slow, especially if actually stacking hard. Just not enough gold.
I've tried making it work before.
fluid girder
ah, shame
woeful shuttle
also vulnerability to counterjungling iirc
mighty crow
Clear speed is low, he's weak in 1v1s early, he applies almost actually 0 pressure to enemy lanes
His ganks are... Ok? Level 1 W isn't that huge of a slow
It's decent but his damage output just isn't very good early so
Why run Nasus when you can run a scaling tank jungler like Sejuani
Who is going to provide relevant CC, better ganks, and scales better into late game
paper crown
AP Nasus w/ Fated Ashes probably has an okay clear.
But at that point, play Brand/Zyra.
And then supposing you get Nasus off the ground and doing Nasus things, you have a side laner that has a hard time side laning due to one summoner spell being eaten by smite.
mighty crow
Nickyboi with the strong takes
"Leona looks like she culturally appropriated her own culture"
Big true tbh lmao
She looks like someone wearing a Solari cosplay
Also anyone wanna swarm?
lyric viper
I mean, compare Leona in game and in LoR with any other solari...
look at these fellas
versus... her.
mighty crow
Yep
woeful shuttle
I think some of that is leona existing long before riot figured out what the solari were going to be
So her design is out of place
rain girder
Well also, let's be honest, she's an Aspect, and the weapons are extensions of that IIRC
mighty crow
Nicky says a thing that makes sense to me, which was that Leona is the prototype solari
The rest were designed around what if this was an actual thing
And so look like people with a theme rather than choosing
Cosplaying*
Since her visuals haven't been updated since then, what they learned designing the rest just hasn't gotten to be applied to her
Although her lor look still looks better than her rift look lmao
woeful shuttle
Since her visuals haven't been updated since then, what they learned designing t...
Yeah thats more or less what I mant
Leona's design is a lot older than the rest of the solari (older than a lot of things tbh) so she looks out of place
fluid girder
it seems like success in higher difficulty swarm maps is pretty much entirely dependent on whether you get the "heal 20% of your HP per second" yuumi buff
fluid girder
I think I've settled into Amumu
i wouldn't say he's my favorite design-wise, but he feels really good to play
web slinging around the map stunning everyone forever is very satisfying
fluid girder
holy shit i got an "amumu goat" in chat
after all these years, i am finally a real gamer
lyric viper
YIPPEE
fluid girder
is there a way in-game to view how much damage done to you has been physical/magical?
i've seen people do it in videos, but i can't find how to view it
paper crown
Death recap has it
fallen notch
returned to mid after mostly playing support lately, forgot how fucking annoying a good Yone player is
you'd think Vex is a good Yone counter but her early wave clear sucks ime and because the fear is on such a long CD if you're not managing it right, you get stuck in a scenario where you're either not using abilities for anything but self-peel (makes farming harder and Yone can still jump on you because his dash is much shorter CD + has a hurtbox that extends in front of it) or you're trying to keep pace with farm at the risk of having Yone just dash in and take half your HP minimum every 10 seconds or so
plus your low early damage against his big E shield isn't conducive to being able to force him out of lane either
need to remember to just, like, play Ziggs or Malz or something similarly non-interactive
salty
rustic osprey
I quite like playing vex into yone
silver heath
I like Lissandra as a Yone counter
fluid girder
it's not every day you get max damage in the game on amumu
rustic kite
Wow, Trinimmortal actually added Veigar to his "champs I find fun" list
He used to have "ugh, slow immobile mage" as a running gag
rustic kite
Well... he also started laughing maniacally whenever he got a kill too, that might be part of it
abstract rune
Possessed by the spirit of Veigar
rain girder
do Azir soldiers count as melee? Or auto attacks at all?
mighty crow
Ranged attacks
For most purpoises
In that they apply on-hits
And fleet/grasp/whatever
fallen notch
god I'm gonna go nuts
I dunno if it's just the Warmog's buff or what but lately Mundo feels goddamn impossible to deal with
whenever I'm support and the enemy top picks Mundo and I don't have Brand, I just have to prepare to lose because nobody else is going to pick a champ with consistent max% hp damage and as best as I can really tell there aren't any other good ways to deal with him in my position
even mid is kind of a crapshoot because if I pick the wrong champ before Mundo gets picked he'll just ignore everything I do
Liandrys does absolutely fuck-all to him once he has Warmog's
mighty crow
I dunno if it's just the Warmog's buff or what but lately Mundo feels goddamn im...
Good news, they're nerfing it next patch.
fallen notch
thanks christ
Like genuinely as support it's such a nightmare if Brand gets banned, I guess I could maybe pick Ashe and see if bork helps but I feel like he'd still just run me over because he's Mundo and Ashe is made of paper
Mid lane is a little better because I can pick Sion and do the same thing back at him, or maybe Quinn or someone who can run bork, maybe Aurelion if I had him, but still
fluid girder
there's no rule saying you need to ban for your lane opponent
you can always just ban mundo
fallen notch
yeah but I also hate Aurelion and Smolder for similar reasons
mighty crow
Smolder doesn't actually scale that hard.
fallen notch
norms don’t end quick enough to prevent those two from auto winning by scaling for twenty minutes
mighty crow
His winrate starts climbing at 20 minutes, but drops pretty hard at 35-40
Because he just doesn't have the ability to pressure outwards I think?
I was talking with @paper crown about it the other day
As where Asol winrate just never drops
Mundo doesn't start dropping until 45 minutes it looks like
Even Mundo is only #16 for winrate by gametime
Kayle/Asol/Kass top 3 to I think no one's surprise lmao
But even tank tops, Ornn does better
woeful shuttle
Smolder doesn't scalr as well and has less standoff capability
mighty crow
If you want to ban someone who does well with gametime, Senna has a WAY higher popularity AND a higher winrate
...Huh, I never thought of Annie has a hyperscaler.
Her winrate with gametime is GOOD
54% winrate past 35 minutes
woeful shuttle
It's like how uhhh samira is never untouchable in the way that cait or zeri does
mighty crow
Probably the guaranteed flash engage and the fact tibbers does so much DPS now?
woeful shuttle
Because samira structurally has to take more risks to do her thing
woeful shuttle
Probably the guaranteed flash engage and the fact tibbers does so much DPS now?
Also her combo getting deletier with items
Compare annie at 6 and annie at 18
mighty crow
Smolder is down at... #56?
For winrate with gametime
Below such amazing scaling picks as Bard, and Shaco
Asol is a decent ban for gametime, but at 3.5% popularity not sure I'd bother.
Just lose 1.75% of games or something if it's really that bad
woeful shuttle
Imo if theres a champ you just cant beat it may be worth a ban
I ban kayle because playing against her sucks even if I win
mighty crow
It can also just feel more frustrating vs Mundo since when he's on, he's just so... Goes where he pleases.
woeful shuttle
since she's a ticking clock beyond even like nasus
woeful shuttle
Also against champs with only one hard CC ability it can be really frustrating
I.e. urgot
mighty crow
That said, I think you might also be trying to target Mundo wrong.
The highest winrate supports vs Mundo are Sona/Zac/Nami
The strong* anti-engage supports
Not the DPS supports
fallen notch
If you want to ban someone who does well with gametime, Senna has a WAY higher p...
So like, yes, Senna's winrate might be higher, but she's also made of paper so in norms where everyone's not making the optimal plays she can get jumped and we can still win. Dr. Mundo is obnoxious because he doesn't die and you don't do shit to him, Aurelion has some bulk and also good luck trying to engage on him once he has Rylai's, Smolder is more similar to Senna but has a bit more bulk
typically due to Shojin and Liandry's
and like the real issue is that I'm playing support so I'm ostensibly not supposed to be the one trying to counter Mundo in the first place, but nobody else is gonna
stone nacelle
being unhappy is why we all play league, why do something that would be better for your mental?
rustic kite
Sometimes there's also a "I can win lane (or if I lose it it's my fault) but I'm worried about the other lanes feeding the top/jungle champ that I can't deal with" factor
zealous basin
Hold I noticed the talk about Mundo HP bloat, can't Vel'koz deal with him? Doesn't the purple eye lazor boi also crack through health?
stone nacelle
he deals true damage, iirc velkoz doesnt have %hp damage
zealous basin
Could have sworn he dealt burst to HP
fallen notch
If people's attitudes in Norms bother you so much
yeah nah like, it's not a matter of attitude, it's just that Mundo is obnoxious rn (and Aurelion + Smolder are always obnoxious)
willow oar
Mundo is one of those tanks that's just...
silly
not quite as much as Tahm Kench
Kench can win almost all his lanes
even into typical tankbusters like Vayne or Jax
zealous basin
Laning phase yeah, but Vayne and Jax become monsters if you let them get to late game.
lyric viper
hmm
new thresh skin
I like how there's
- Corporate Mundo
- Pug'Maw
- Primetime Draven
- Regular Ass Renata
and uh whoever that office lady is (shes in corporate mundo's splash art)
spice glen
you also see, I think, attorney azir in the background
lyric viper
oh that might be him talking to Mundo
If Azir is Phoenix Wright, its only fair Xerath is... uhhh
Miles Edgeworth?
abstract rune
this is a good thresh skin
woeful shuttle
renata is already Business
fallen notch
is Statik really such a bad pick on Ez? I keep building it because the boy has no waveclear and it’s decent consistent poke on a champ who ime mostly does consistent dmg but everyone keeps giving me shit for it
mighty crow
It's probably ok 3rd
He's kinda generally locked into Tforce and Manamune tho'
For the first 2 items
At which point, you generally don't need the clear
fallen notch
I always take it first into Manamune and then Tforce
paper crown
Honestly, Ez has decent-ish waveclear when it's important. TF and Manamune give ability haste and he can ult waves for reset timings or to stop a push.
And can get push/prio via kill threat in some situations.
mighty crow
I always take it first into Manamune and then Tforce
I can't find data on that build order so no idea.
I could give it a try. I assume you're getting the sheen and tear first still?
fallen notch
Tear yes, Sheen no
mighty crow
Well like I said data doesn't exist really but it's hard for me to imagine not building a sheen early on him
It just scales so absurd
rain girder
If Sylas takes Lillia ult, how does it determine who's marked for it? Does it just mark them for a time equivalent to her passive?
rustic osprey
I believe so ye
willow oar
my secret sauce yorick build is doin numbers
woeful shuttle
singed at start of game: "low elo trash"
willow oar
Singed Moment™️
fallen notch
so like, is the only reason why Blitzcrank jg isn't viable his awful early clear?
I've been having fun with the beep boop boy lately
edgy trout
I've been really enjoying brand jungle
willow oar
It's insane that that's an actually viable play
mighty crow
It's not just viable
It's meta
They specifically buffed his jungle clear with jungle only damage
rustic kite
Awful 2v2s
I know what you mean, but still really funny when he was primarily played botlane for a decade
rustic osprey
Nasus being meta mid in competitive is also so funny
He just is the ultimate stat stick after years of buffs
rustic kite
Bonk
rain girder
Hopefully they do something about ADC mids being so prominent
mighty crow
Hopefully they do something about ADC mids being so prominent
I'm assuming you haven't seen the 14.8 patch notes then?
rain girder
I'm assuming you haven't seen the 14.8 patch notes then?
Am I about to be pleasantly surprised?
spice glen
they said and I quote
"Attack some of the strongest performing ADC mids"
serious question, how long do pro matches genuinely go on for?
paper crown
Varies fairly widely by region. Some are on Bo1 and others on Bo3.
Finals tend to be Bo5.
spice glen
...I have no idea what Bo is, I meant like minutes
paper crown
Best-of-1
Etc.
If asking for game time, it's still 25-35? minutes as the normal game length.
Standing record for longest and shortest pro game are about 90 minutes and 15 minutes, though the game was structurally changed specifically to prevent a repeat of the 90 minute game.
(It's, at least in part, why elder exists.)
spice glen
okay just had to wonder
paper crown
The amount of filler between games in matches varies greatly by region.
mighty crow
yEAH
Some regions have like, up to an hour between games
LEC is particularly bad for that IIRC
LPL tends to have like, 10-15 minutes
rain girder
they said and I quote
"Attack some of the strongest performing ADC mids"
praise be
tired of seeing Tristana and Corki
spice glen
well corki is specifically being hit, no clue about tristana
rain girder
I'm looking at the phreak patch 14.19 preview right now
and they target hit trist hard for mid
spice glen
I thought 14.19 wouldn't be coming for a bit now
spice glen
.18 is the current one
mighty crow
14.9 is post season
rain girder
Ahh, gotcha
rustic kite
tired of seeing Tristana and Corki
Corki is at least like a caster ADC
rustic osprey
I love playing tris mid
spice glen
oh they are apparently doing some big changes in league again in the upcoming season.
willow oar
you know what feels good
killing a lane opponent with intimidatingly high mastery who was BMing you before minion spawn
and then ending up stomping them later on
that feeling of "I am nowhere near good enough to beat this twerp normally... but the adrenaline is pumping"
mighty crow
High mastery doesn't tend to translate to high game skill
They're at the same MMR roughly you are, or you wouldn't be fighting against them
They just know their character better, so usually I find you're just best off doing weird shit, roaming plays, winning the map kinda deal rather than trying to kill them.
Although sometimes you can do that too
willow oar
see I just go monkey brain and really lean into what I can do with the champ
which in this case as Illaoi was just stay in lane and psych him out with poke and sustain
by the time I was lvl 11 and he was lvl 10 I was managing to get an E on him every minion wave and he'd always dash away
game end
it was a surprising surrender from the enemy team
they coulda absolutely come back
mighty crow
Oh, also lethality trynd is not what you should do vs Illaoi lmao
But yeah that matchup is super swingy
If either gets very far ahead it just becomes impossible for the other
fallen notch
singed bot huh
willow oar
oh yeah I've no clue what botlane were smoking
but at some point after kayn went Shadow, Samira started dying more
fallen notch
I've been struck by the knowledge of Aery J4 support
time to get funky I suppose. I apologize in advance to my bot laners
mighty crow
Goooooooood
fallen notch
Aery J4 support lessons; after two games I feel like I can say this kinda works? You die a lot but your lockdown is decent so
I may need to experiment with like, Electrocute or Guardian + actual J4 items instead of rushing Zhonya’s
fallen notch
big surprise! Electrocute and not building Zhonya's leads to generally better results so far
thin falcon
rain girder
Are they calling for a boycott? Or just a strike?
spice glen
Reading this felt like I was reading a A.I generated article.
What is the strike even about
mighty crow
One of the companies that Riot uses for making cinematics it looks like? was using AI
And so they're striking against Riot in general until they drop them
spice glen
Ahh okay, that is why
willow oar
that company I think was also already on the union's shitlist
so when the League of Legends connection popped up it's a blacklist by association
unions can't afford to let up even a tiny bit because, one scab, one tiny chip in their argument can have it all come tumbling down
so unionise!
and support yours and your loved ones' unions whenever they take action
fallen notch
okay I'm sure this falls apart against higher skill players because they'll pick better characters and/or counterpick, but assassin J4 support is kinda fun
still working out the kinks a bit but still
silver heath
If it works it works
stone nacelle
Lp is booming
willow oar
please please please please please introduce a setting to turn off special executes in TFT
stupid fucking chibi champs
jovial stratus
rustic kite
Teemo update??
edgy trout
Just a graphic update
rain girder
They better not change the Omega Squad voice lines
rustic kite
Just a graphic update
Yeah but those animations tho
edgy trout
Oh yeah they go hard
mighty crow
They better not change the Omega Squad voice lines
Those are the only ones they're NOT changing IIRC
They're changing him to be less dark in general, but Omega Squad they're keeping as the "dark" skin
spice glen
so he's Teemo!
Not Teemo.
silver heath
I don’t think this is at all a useful study but
… it’s not gonna stop me from spamming it in chat when someone asks me where the fuck the ganks are
spice glen
what's the definition of a -insert game name- player
because I've played all these games, does that mean my brain is huge?
silver heath
Yea you probably have an IQ of like 2000
spice glen
oh no thats not good
woeful shuttle
it takes a very high IQ to understand league of legends
stray mason
abstract rune
Wow, Wild Rift actually reworked Singed
Incredible
He actually uses the shield holy shit
dark needle
and it effects warwick additionally....
rain girder
oh hell yeah
rustic kite
rain girder
Oh shit league is doing good things with the queues
just got autofill protection for 2 games because someone afk'd
and didn't lose any LP
stone nacelle
Its crazy the difference in public outlook/opinion on esports in Skorea vs europe and america
rain girder
Yeah, it's wild
spice glen
oh I have a hilarious moment from a ARAM match last night.
Context: I'm morde, we're in a 5 stack.
I accidentally Threw my E out.
Pyke before hand said "Watch this."
We were all too busy pissing ourselves with laughter to do anything
rustic kite
My craziest baron steal is the time I tried a desperation steal with Leona R, and this was in the old days before R had a consistent timing. And amazingly, it worked
(It's also personally my only baron steal b/c I never really played jungle)
Okay Bloodwater beats me
rain girder
I've done it with Janna Q and Nami ult
lyric viper
hmm
I feel like Dark Star Fiddlesticks would be so cool as a Legendary skin, instead of sylas
like
its the amalgamous collective of an entire galaxy eaten and consumed and warped by the Dark Star, screaming violently at creation, hungering for eternal silence, or until it can sate its appetite. Whichever comes last.
And its ult could be a huge black hole that rips itself from its chest, a maelstrom of a singularity, with it turning into an accretion disk at the center
maybe its q involves it tossing a dying star at someone
and its e involves ripping a hole in the rift to the stars
lyric viper
really? 🤔
mighty crow
Fiddlesticks BADLY suffers on the new map
Way less sharp corners and nice walls to jump over
lyric viper
😔 man
mighty crow
All these nice rounded edges and wide boulevards in the jungle, the fact that mid is much safer from the jungle entrances
Makes the map much more you can teamfight more places and mid is a nicer place to be but
Fiddlesticks really wanted to ult you across improbable rock formations and behind a weird bush that no one was sure why it was placed there
silver heath
Idk about fiddles being bad
Homeboy has a 3% PR 53% WR in emerald+
That’s pretty healthy
stone nacelle
Theyre nerfing him next patch iirc
So apparently riot doesnt think fiddle is bad either :))
mighty crow
Well, maybe he's not then! I know there was a lot of bitching about the walls when the change happened
silver heath
Yeah I complained about them a lot myself
He lost a lot of angles and wallhops but seems to be coping pretty well
lyric viper
shhhhhhit. Riot, once again, fired another wave of people
at this point I don't have the energy to be aggressively pissed at them
well, at least this quashed my cravings to get back into League
willow oar
Tryndamere did put out a bit of info on that
Saying that they're pruning parts of the company that have become redundant
And that their plans are to bring more people in to the point that the size is the same as before these layoffs
spice glen
makes me wonder what parts were redundant
rustic kite
rustic kite
She looks wild, also kinda like a mechanical cousin to Riven
Also the first energy champ since Zed
fallen notch
boy that is a lot of dashing 
From the looks of it, I'd guess it's probably like Kallista dash (except on her W and maybe her R? it's not clear to me if R dashes you if you don't hit anyone) so you can't wallhop off of every ability
rain girder
stone nacelle
You WILL love dashes >:[
mighty crow
Nah, this one actually has to build AD
spice glen
wait till we see all their abilities and attacks have %Hp on them and you don't
rain girder
So she gets her dash if she moves/attacks during an ability cast
this costs energy to do per the ability cast
and her next auto... then refunds energy
so it's not a REAL cost then
spice glen
guessing it's a refund if it lands or does the special effect or seomthing.
And if you can interupt it you can make her lo- wait this is a painful champ
rain girder
Looking at her being played
In this LS video, she seems to refund as soon as the auto hits
fallen notch
slightly amused that he spends the first however long of the video saying "yeah she's gonna be busted and a balancing nightmare and you're gonna hate it" followed by "i like the design, she's very cool, etc."
like I know why he's gotta say that but
rain girder
Yeah, I mean, balanced well she'd be fine but lord she looks broken
rustic kite
Busted-ness aside she is very cool
But you can tell she's one of those champs that's gonna lose a chunk of her kit bit by bit over the next half-year
That or her raw numbers are gonna be sent to the Riven Zone b/c of all the bullshit you can pull off
silver heath
villain character
players hate playing against her
Ludonarrative consonsance bravo riot
fallen notch
unrelatedly, I wish people would stop doing ADC top. It’s not even Vayne, it’s like Aphelios or something and it never works
spice glen
I Agree.
stray mason
That was amazing.
vast jolt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhTZTy1rZhw
Beyond the obvious fact she's pregnant, she seems very young in the video, so is likely pregnant with Mel
vast jolt
Mel is I think her eldest
fallen notch
starting playing Zed and does Yi Alpha Strike cancel my r?????????????
dumb as hell if so
woeful shuttle
Alpha can dodge the debuff if activated before the debuff is applied
but once its on its on
fallen notch
I feel like I get thrown out early and do way less damage to him with my ult as opposed to other champs
granted our jungler went AFK (thanks Vanguard (probably)) so he got a lot of free reign but still
willow oar
Alpha can dodge the debuff if activated before the debuff is applied
I think if Yi manages to be in Alpha Strike when the damage of the R procs, that also dodges it?
Cos he's Vanished, like the short window during Shaco's and Zed's ults too
woeful shuttle
Yi can die in alpha
mighty crow
Probably not.
woeful shuttle
It's not a bad game tbh
spice glen
I'd say if you are to, only play against bots for a reaally long time.
Players are just...not newcomer friendly.
And no not the toxicity, I mean skill gaps and knowledge gaps. It's like playing any call of duty or hell dark souls and getting into the PVP.
You're not gonna enjoy that part
vast jolt
She's explicitly said 'I will teach you to play against bots for like at least 5 hours'
'And you will play one character you pick in that time.'
mighty crow
Yeah but generally it takes like, months of work
If you're not familiar with the genre
vast jolt
I mean I am
mighty crow
I don't know Gigantic, control scheme is VERY different from Smite
vast jolt
The main thing I feel is gonna be the camera difference
mighty crow
Was gigantic also like, a 3rd person shooter type thing?
Did you ever play RTS games?
vast jolt
Was gigantic also like, a 3rd person shooter type thing?
It was but I didn't play characters with projectiles
mighty crow
Mmm
Yeah probably still going to be months.
At least going from League to Smite I didn't find the swap over very easy
So fi it's comparable the other way ... Eh, maybe more like a week or two
Oh, that also depends on your partners skill level
ofc
vast jolt
I don't know her rank I think she mostly plays pubs
mighty crow
Gotcha Shrug
Well, if you're ok with putting in a lot of work, and will enjoy spending doing a lot of work with your partner, it's a good game.
Just like, it's a lot of work and I know a lot of people who don't enjoy that.
vast jolt
I'm thinking about it still
Stuck between playing Fiora or Master Yi if I do decide to start
mighty crow
Yi is a lot simpler.
But mostly that'll depend on whether you want to lane or jungle
Since Fiora can kinda only top lane and Yi can kinda only jungle
silver heath
The knowledge debt is such that it’ll be fine if you enjoy learning the game and awful if you don’t
So I’d try it to find out
spice glen
yeah hence the only playing against bots specifically for..well ever till you have a grasp on the debt
silver heath
Eh, I think it’s worth playing humans as soon as bots stop being interesting
You’ll wind up in clown elo but you can learn a lot in clown elo
rain girder
It's still so wild to me to see Linkin Park on stage
When I first heard they were doing the new song for League I thought it was a joke lmao
fallen notch
late on the ball but I went from Smite to League, the main notes are yeah camera change and keyboard layout change but also you have items that need to be activated now
at least sometimes
I advise you to lock your camera, people say it's bad but genuinely I keep it locked unless I'm checking something in another lane which isn't that common
mighty crow
There are a few pro players who camera lock
It's fine
You just have to be really comfortable with the button to unlock
fallen notch
There's a few characters that camera locking is slightly inhibiting for (Xerath and Kog'maw mainly) but yeah just swap off as needed
mighty crow
Yeah but for yi and Fiora you want to be camera locked when fighting most of the time anyway
mighty crow
Eh, I think it’s worth playing humans as soon as bots stop being interesting
@vast jolt I agree with this btw
Also consider spamming arams too
Get initial comfort with the map and farming from bot games, then once you're not going to get bad habits from aram just being fights all the time consider doing them to just get used to mechanics
Since Aram are really good for constantly making you perform
fallen notch
Also this is obvious but some characters are way easier to learn the game with than others. Only a few are really that complicated but I started mostly with Malz, Neeko, and Seraphine. Malzahar especially allows you to snarf down glue during your games while you figure out your bearings
mighty crow
Very little downtime and lots of room to make errors