If only he had a hyperscaling late game carry role to transition into
#League of Legends
mighty crow
Oh wait he does
The biggest fear for me on Morde is if he ends up good as a low econ pick
Then you could see... His base numbers nerfed and his ratios increased probably?
XD
spice glen
Augh wait that would just mean he is even more rewarded going fragile mage build
mighty crow
Unless they stick some bonus health ratios in there, yeah.
spice glen
Eugh. Well I guess I have no real fear then.
mighty crow
Shrug
spice glen
Thanks for the talk then, that's definitely atleast given me more concrete foundation for my own beliefs.
mighty crow
They balance this game for a living right? They have lots of levers they can pull.
THe chance of characters getting Skarner'd is very low these days.
spice glen
Wait what happened with skarner? (Well except getting a complete recent rework)
paper crown
There have been a few champions where Riot has decided the current kit is fundamentally problematic and nerf the champion into unplayability until they have dev time/resources to come back with at least a mid scale rework.
Old Eve was a very notorious case of this.
mighty crow
Yeah.
Old Evelynn, old Skarner pre rework
They were intentionally nerfed to being bad
Oh, Ryze has had this happen a few times
Where they decided not only did they not want him in pro
But they just didn't want him being good in general for solo queue either
paper crown
Old Yuumi.
mighty crow
(Current Yuumi, TBH)
paper crown
Not that I think new Yuumi is any healthier
spice glen
That is really funny they didn't want ryze in the game at all.
mighty crow
Well, depends on the Ryze.
Remember we're talking game design.
The big issue was the ult that repositions your whole team
On a safe laning hyper scaler
(See a pattern here?)
spice glen
not enough risk for them to have something like that
paper crown
Also, very fundamentally pro oriented ult.
mighty crow
Yeah
Lower level players would legitimately never ult, or never ult in a way that was better than just having it effect only Ryze
But repositioning the WHOLE team is so powerful
(In pro play, coordinated)
It could basically force uncontested barons or pushes
You could move all the minions in one lane to another tower
And suddenly be taking a tower that wasn't even being pushed before
Etc
bronze void
Old poppy lol
remember when unicorns of love busted her out in a pro game and wrecked face with her? That was so funny
mighty crow
Oh yeah
When she had her "I'm immune to everyone but one person" ult
Lmao
It was so fucked
It was meant to be "I'm going to duel this person" but it was way stronger to just ult the support or tank and go kill the carries
XD
spice glen
wait she had a Xin Zhao ult??
spice glen
Ohly shit
mighty crow
So she targeted one person and was just immune to everyone but them for like, 8 seconds
spice glen
...Damn that's horrifying.
mighty crow
She was SUPPOSED to be a tank
That used it to be immune to everyone but the carry
And then kept them busy
But she just built assassin
XD
spice glen
that's...just aggressively scuffed
rustic osprey
Happens
Tank ekko/fizz/Viktor top, kalista top, varus top with radiant virtue rush
mighty crow
Ardent meta wasn't even that bad IMO
It got a bit dull
But every role had useful things to do
rustic osprey
It was omega boring to watch
rustic osprey
Fair
rustic osprey
Juggernaut patch xD
rustic osprey
Garen yuumi
mighty crow
Double mages bot lane
No ADCs ever
Get your Syndra/Zyra bot lane ready
You better not be squishy and within 1100 range of them
rustic osprey
Sunfire evelyn
mighty crow
Ok but that was actually bad
XD
Funny tho'
Sunfire Shaco when they stacked and Shaco ult got both
rustic osprey
5x black cleaver rush
mighty crow
Now that was scary
Tank Shaco Burninating the Countryside
You couldn't tell which was real because they both dealt no damage outside of sunfire burn
spice glen
and all they had to do was run at you and they woudln't take damage?
mighty crow
Yeah
Q in
Start burning you
When Q ends, ult
Just follow you
Don't use E because then you'd lose your slow on auto attacks
Just stand on people and watch them die
rustic osprey
Patch 4.20
spice glen
stnad on them and Tpose
rustic osprey
Patch 7.21 Galio
mighty crow
Oh, release Xin
Could literally 1v5 at like level 3-4
Just his numbers were so insanely busted
rustic osprey
Xin and zyra I think got slapped with the 2 fastest hot nerfs
silver heath
Then you could see... His base numbers nerfed and his ratios increased probably...
This has already happened so much haha
toxic cargo
I'm so happy Camille is back where she belongs
In toplane
And actually good in her good matchups
woeful shuttle
riven is in semipermanent numbers jail because her kit has too much agency and makes her very difficult to balance
she's weirdly not good in pro but every now and again spikes to 54% or something in top and becomes A Problem
mighty crow
riven is in semipermanent numbers jail because her kit has too much agency and m...
Are you aware about quick cancels on her? It's not normal animation cancels.
toxic cargo
Sometimes someone finds out about some weird interaction with items that no one told about
mighty crow
like I said, numbers jail
I don't think that's exactly too much agency though. Like it's specifically that if you know this one crazy trick her DPS goes up like 50%, and they have to balance around that, so everyone who doesn't is playing a really shitty champ.
woeful shuttle
its also that she's resourceless and has entirely too many dashes
her anim cancels are one thing but in conjunction with her absolutely wild mobility riven is a recurring problem in top
and you don't need to do her cancels perfectly to play the champ at a functional level
mighty crow
Her mobility is honestly not even that wild compared to some modern champs like Yone
woeful shuttle
yone is an outlier
toxic cargo
Yone isn't even that mobile, what
He has
One dash that is conditional on hitting two Qs
And a dash that forces him to return
mighty crow
And a ramping movement speed increase
And the dash that forces him to return makes him immune to CC
toxic cargo
Riven has 4 unconditional dashes with low cooldowns
mighty crow
And a dash that goes a full screen
woeful shuttle
you mean his ult?
mighty crow
Yes
toxic cargo
I guess I forgot about ult but you can easily walk out of that unless Brand With Rylai
woeful shuttle
his ult doesn't even remotelt cover a screen and has a long windup
and is his ult
mighty crow
...It's still a mobility tool.
silver heath
I think we have different understandings of the term "fullscreen"
woeful shuttle
ok but you can't compare a long cd intiation tool with rivens low cooldown dashes
toxic cargo
People do play on different zooms
mighty crow
Yes, I can. They're not the same, but they're absolutely comparable.
woeful shuttle
entirely different role and task
woeful shuttle
alright, riven is still more mobile than yone
her dashes are lower cd and she gets more of them
mighty crow
Akali, Yone, Camille, K'sante, Zac, Trynd, Singed are top laners I'd consider in a similar mobility category as Riven.
woeful shuttle
singed
???
mighty crow
Just as a general note
Singed go zoom insanely fast mate.
Doesn't have to be a dash to be mobility
silver heath
People do play on different zooms
Ok I laughed irl thinking about the hypothetical lol player who plays with the zoom such that Fate Sealed is fullscreen
woeful shuttle
my dude if you're putting singed up there I can't take this discussion seriously
yeah with ult and ghost he can be fast but he's not comparable to riven
mighty crow
Singed can chase down Riven in the mid game pretty reliably, so yeah.
toxic cargo
Camille
With 3 items maybe
mighty crow
Camille E is nuts mobility
silver heath
Singed can chase down Riven in the mid game pretty reliably, so yeah.
I think you're being so free with terms that there's no common ground to actually discuss anything
woeful shuttle
there is more to mobility than straight line speed
riven having four shots to dodge abilities is huge
mighty crow
Individual Qs except Q3 should basically never let you dodge anything
She gets like, 2
woeful shuttle
uh huh
woeful shuttle
I've seen people dodge with riven Qs
mighty crow
And by itself it goes farther than all of riven's dashes combined
And so it is very strong as a mobility tool
Plus her R is also a really strong tool
toxic cargo
She literally doesn't have E unless people allow her to or the wave is crashing at either of the two towers
There is a reason she was sent to support
mighty crow
Morde ult is not a strong mobility tool.
woeful shuttle
Morde ult is not a strong mobility tool.
you didn't specify mobility
and camille ult is initiation not mobility
toxic cargo
Camille Ult is lockdown tool rather than mobility tool
And one tricks can dodge stufd with 0.1s silence
mighty crow
Yeahhhhh I'm just gonna withdraw from this. Things can fit in multiple categories, and I truly think you just don't think mobility means the same things in league that I do.
Tools that let you move to me, are mobility tools. Gets me from point A to point B better than walking normally? Mobility tool.
They're different degrees of good, they're used for different things.
toxic cargo
That makes Aatrox ult into a mobility tool
woeful shuttle
by that argument urgot E is a mobility tool
mighty crow
Yes.
Not a very good one mind, for Urgot.
Aatrox ult is a better mobility tool than Urgot E
But you can use it to dodge some stuff, you can use it to ignore some CC stuff and keep moving anyway
woeful shuttle
ok then the category isn't worth discussing because to you a mobility tool is anything that increases straight line speed regardless of use case
mighty crow
Have you literally never seen an Urgot use their E for anything other than clicking on enemy and flipping them or something? Like it's not great at being one, but it certainly is one and does have some usage in the category.
silver heath
Yeah generally when people say "high mobility" in LoL they mean characters with a lot of dashes which make it unfeasible to target them with skillshots not "things which make you move faster than your base MS"
woeful shuttle
I have 680k mastery on urgot
silver heath
Which covers a huge conceptual space
woeful shuttle
trust me, I know how that champ functions
mighty crow
Right, so you've used it for mobility sometimes, right?
silver heath
Like how Taliyah is not a "mobile" champion but has S tier strategic roams
woeful shuttle
I've used it for CC immunity but it's less than 25% faster than walking
spice glen
morde's ult is a great mobility tool
mighty crow
Taliyah ult is a mobility tool
spice glen
it's a "Don't you fucking run from me."
mighty crow
It's not going to help you with like, micro mobility
But strategic mobility? Fuck yeah.
spice glen
that's what his E and passive is for
mighty crow
I've used it for CC immunity but it's less than 25% faster than walking
Right? That's literally the use case I mentioned.
silver heath
Because if you're seriously saying that Taliyah P/R is the same thing as say Ekko E/R then you need new words
woeful shuttle
ok but when we're talking about riven, who is a very classic example of a hypermobile champion, we're not talking about taliyah or sion ults or asol flight
silver heath
Yes and we're all disagreeing with you
That's a category error or a bad category to use
mighty crow
In the same way a lion is in the same category of "Is a mammal" as a human
Great. Cyan, can you as a mod call that this topic is over please?
spice glen
I would say that if a champion has an a way to quickly move (that if you insert a short little scream for comedic effects) with the walking animation it's a dash.
mighty crow
It's completely pointless, as you said earlier.
silver heath
Great. Cyan, can you as a mod call that this topic is over please?
Yeah sure, though I will note that you don't need to be a mod to ask to move on on the server
But I'm happy to close it
mighty crow
Sure, but we already said it should be over like 3 times and it kept going so.
silver heath
Ok, general note. If you want a conversation to stop and are asking a mod to stop it, do not continue to talk about it after that happens.
If you want to talk about the mod decision or whatever, DM me instead
bronze void
Goddamn new skarner feels fantastic
Potentially my favourite champ again, now that he's free from the protoss pylons
Sad to see jungle rell my beloved gone, though
rain girder
Me: Pings dragon again and again
Team: Hovers around dragon
Me: Goes in to try and fight
Team: Just kinda continues hovering
Me: Dies
woeful shuttle
gotta love randoms
rain girder
like I get it if they don't actually want to fight
but if not then why be here
people hovering with their dicks in their hands just pisses me off honestly
like it's one thing to say "I don't want to do this objective" or "I don't want to take this fight"
but do SOMETHING besides just... sit there and wait around it
rain girder
if I have a spellshield from Edge of Night
that's on CD
Kayn ults into me
CD comes up
does it block him exiting me?
rain girder
Oh yeah I knew it would make him exit, I was just thinking about the damage
silver heath
I think it blocks the damage yeah
raw axle
I think it should trap him inside you
Permanently
Then you die and he just falls out from your corpse
silver heath
that would be funny
raw axle
Kayn is my third most played character and I approve of this change
woeful shuttle
iirc that was a bug at some point
kayn would just get stuck in someone for the rest of the game
rain girder
lmao
rain girder
I love saying stupid shit in aram matches
I flashed into a jinx ult by mistake
she said "excellent flash"
to which I responded "yeah but I mog you"
"what"
"I was too busy mewing to dodge"
rustic osprey
Oh yeah I knew it would make him exit, I was just thinking about the damage
For sure blocks dmg
Same as if you noc/sivir e the exit
dim tapir
does that mean a stolen morde ult can turn a morde 1v1 to a 2v2?
silver heath
yes
you can have a bunch of people in the death realm with the right comps
(Morde mirror+Sylas mirror)
dim tapir
that's pretty fun
mighty crow
Yeah it's all one death realm
lyric viper
FIRST RULE ABOUT FIGHT REALM:
Toxic masculinity is bad
silver heath
Twitter
rustic kite
Hahaha
dim tapir
lmao
woeful shuttle
what is that image from>?
raw axle
Shogun
spice glen
Hm. I can't really take the point of "In proplay" because proplay is that upper level of skill that I would find more anomalous? like the sheer amount of people not past emerald or gold is a lot.
And also the game is apparently being more pulled away from pro play and more everyone...play?
Though he is right, many champs easily 1v1 him and have ways to deal or stall.
And yeah, I was always thinking "Hell yeah build QSS, do it." because it always felt good to me that they built that as it was champs were sacrificing power to get QSS.
mighty crow
Yeah.
That's more my thoughts.
Like, there's a chance that this is a nerf to Mordekaiser BY ITSELF because people buying QSS was bad.
And now people won't
XD
spice glen
Yeah, just "oh I can build this to deal with his ult."
now it's "Fucking mordekaiser I Can't fight him, and I Can't deal with his ult anymore." meanign they'll go more power which is ironically bad for him.
mighty crow
paper crown
Congrats!
rustic osprey
the new cheater league statistic is crazy
spice glen
cheater league statistic?
mighty crow
I think they're referring to the 15% cheaters in any given game
mighty crow
My first thought: "Why, that wasn't new~! That was last week! AGES ago!"
silver heath
These are pretty wild stats yeah
rustic osprey
also tbh just cool to actual see stats like this from rito
fallen notch
I’ve become a Hwei addict
I still wouldn’t say I’m that good at him, but I do like having fancy inputs
woeful shuttle
I do find the constant argument over kernel level anticheat kinda disingenuous because if you don't trust riot with your data you uh probably shouldn't be running their software with read/write permissions even at the user mode
Like, league/darkest dungeon/minecraft/random porn games/etc could already reach out of the box and go digging without kernel access
and the tencent conspiracy shit is just silly
Modern cheats are also really good and pretty hard to spot barring massive amounts of manual review or even greater levels of locking down user sessions
heady raptor
the issue about kernel anticheats is that there are cheats and scripts that can be ran completely outside of the machine the game is played upon, configured so that it wouldn't register as robotic input
this doesn't mean we shouldn't try to counter cheats ran alongside the game on the same machine
but it's more of a security issue is what I'm saying
if someone who doesn't want the bounty manages to exploit riot's anticheat that's a lot more compromising than if it wasn't root level (it would've still been catastrophic if it wasn't but now it's moreso)
mighty crow
There's also ways around kernel level anti cheat
For instance you can use hardware in between your input device and the computer
And it just tells the computer it's the input device
Now that's harder to do
But I suspect the cheating in league industry is financially powerful enough to be worth making that kind of thing
rustic osprey
I pogged a lot with that last skillshot
toxic cargo
Tbh, if there was more human input over reports of cheating
Like, in smaller communities of games that are competetive, sometimes a weird user input can tell
In racing games, if you play on analog device, and your input changes from 56% one side to 75% in the other, yk, humans don't do that
If someone starts casting Xerath E in the same frame as Kai'sa sending an ult
and it hits
rain girder
okay who played camille support and made it a Thing(tm)
mighty crow
Amusingly camille support has actually been nerfed compared to what it was on the current patch
It's like, fine now I guess
But it's not the very busted it was before
paper crown
She's been terrorizing high elo solo queue for maybe 1-2 months, if I recall the numbers correctly?
rustic osprey
Ye she was a menace a bit ago
rain girder
maybe my sample size is just skewed but I'm just seeing it a lot
ocean imp
oh it's because bloodsong is good
Bloodsong is amazing
really hope it doesn't get nerfed as a Pyke player
rustic osprey
think got skarner figured out now 😌
rustic osprey
i am flip flopping between conq and aftershock
going aftershock does give you access to go approach velocity which is great
but i do like conq
bronze void
Have you tried grasp on him? I've had a good deal of success with it (even as a jungler)
rustic osprey
Not yet in jung
mighty crow
Holy shit hilarious spaghetti code for Graves
His attack speed calculation resulted in NEGATIVE per level
Which meant when they increased it by a third... They REDUCED his attack speed.
mighty crow
@spice glen Turns out Morde changes were pretty much winrate neutral
So he needs no more changes
His banrate spiked up slightly but is going back to about the same number
spice glen
Huh. Yeah I imagined the banrate would increase but only because he entered the consciousness of all players for this period. Well I guess I worried for no real reason
ocean imp
Morde is fun
tbh i have pretty bad game sense and macro in general, but i tend to be good at smaller, tactical play
and i got really good at landing my Morde Qs on enemies at the very tip of the range
rain girder
This is a wild theory
Well, "theory" in that it's not actually verified but like, the evidence is all here
rain girder
rain girder
silver heath
This is very... season 3-4
rustic kite
Me, an old: BT has crit?
bronze void
God I do not miss the days of BT 1st item on every adc
rustic osprey
You can upgrade berserker boots to zephyr starting at level 15 huuh
They do be experimenting
All crit items back to 25%
bronze void
Crit changes are cool though, I love my classic crit adcs (when I'm not playing taliyah bot like a sicko)
rain girder
damn they just deleted Lethal Tempo huh
rain girder
yo no more crit kraken? Interesting
bronze void
I think that'll also detatch kraken from being the goto first pick on a lot of adcs
rustic osprey
YOO BOOTS THAT GRANT YOU EMPOWERED RECALL after walking a certain distance
Yooo
They replace mobis
rain girder
Swifties now give less base move speed but give you move speed on attack
rustic osprey
Phage boots huh
rustic osprey
Damm navori lost all ad
You know. The changes could be p cracked for gp
4 items for 100% crit hmm
But he does lose navori
bronze void
Ohh wasn't that an old TT item?
rustic osprey
80 ad bt and ie
rain girder
It's basically old Atma's
bronze void
Or something like it
rain girder
wait can we get full meta golem
rustic osprey
Ldr lost its passive
rain girder
Alright let's see, we've got Bloodmail for the torso
bronze void
wait can we get full meta golem
Mallet is still missing 😔
rain girder
frozen fist
bronze void
Triforce and frozen fist is definitely griefing :v
rain girder
we need a helmet
rustic osprey
60% atck speed pd 😌
I guess overall attack speed has go rise since lethal is gone now
bronze void
jack of all trades is interesting, wonder who'll be able to get the most use out of it
Oh holy shit zephyr that's so pog
rain girder
holy fuck I love this
fizz jungle baby
holy shit stormrazor and kircheis shared are gone
Huh, bork is current health% now
bronze void
Hasn't bork been current% health since forever?
rain girder
I thought it was still max HP
bronze void
I'm pretty sure it was current% back in late season 3 when I started :v
bronze void
Current% is still decently tankbustery, it had the %max health active tho
rain girder
have I just gaslit myself this entire time
bronze void
I might just be wrong, too 
I started playing in secondary school so I was very dumb
rain girder
alright after these changes
Meta Golem:
Bloodmail(AD for Max HP)
Sterak's
Frozen Fist
Boots of Choice
Sundered Sky
Torso
Hands
Boots
Weapon
We just need a helmet
Could go Shurelya's but that's not quite in theme
Knight's Vow could work
Jak'sho's not a mask, it's like a parasite
bronze void
jaksho?
lyric viper
holy moly titanic hydra
rain girder
Yeah, right?
dark needle
spice glen
Oh damn these are huge changes. makes me wonder if they are adding more damage to the game again.
rustic osprey
Kinda sad that laneswap meta is back in pro xd
rustic osprey
It's so funny how the old kalista top build (not same since items) has found its way bot
bronze void
Been ages since I watched league pro stuff so basically everything is novel to me
bronze void
Nah Estral has this in the bag
Pretty brutal from T1 though, they've got such a solid grip over the game
Some cool plays coming out of Estral though, they're not rolling over
rain girder
Oh shit is that starting today?
bronze void
It's started, T1 v Estral is going on right now
rustic osprey
Pretty impressive showing from Massu on FlyQuest
Ye, made up for bussio playing uhh suboptimal
bronze void
Bussio had a couple goofy flashes and hooks but I think otherwise they were pretty solid
rain girder
I hope that T1 is able to put out some really good plays given their difficulties practicing
bronze void
Whomst among us has not screwed up a flash
rustic osprey
LLL will play vs TES tomorrow 💀
bronze void
Estral has had some really nice teamfighting but they're just getting gapped so hard in macro
rustic osprey
God I hope lpl will clap lck xd
I do like geng tho
Maybe chovy will finally get an international title
Praydge
Not a bad first showing from est
rain girder
I wanna see LCS put up numbers
but I'm always here for a wildcard victory
let brazil win MSI, let's fucking go
rustic osprey
I do think it's kinda insane to play yone into ksante top and playing Draven into T1 and then try to snowball it
bronze void
Rough
rustic osprey
Draven doing 0 dmg to ksante lul
rustic osprey
It do be a pro play champ
bronze void
I think he's kinda cool, I don't see much of him though
I'm terrible at him myself, and I mostly play jungle and adc anyway
spice glen
he's like riven but he's allowed to have stats.
but he's obvioulsy no where near as bad.
mighty crow
Oh damn new items are hype
I like the concept of ksante
But I wish he did more of an interesting shift
Like wildly changed
bronze void
Man Estral are so fun to watch
bronze void
They're so awesome lol, fantastic teamfighting over and over
bronze void
Yeah, for sure
rustic osprey
Respectable for sho.
bronze void
FNC tomorrow, wonder how they'll perform
rustic kite
All crit items back to 25%
Big Yasuo buff, not choosing between 80% or 120% crit
rustic osprey
Eh. The overdraft did get converted into bonus ad atleast
PD rush seems really good on yas/yone maybe. Old school yas build. But I don't have in my head which items give crit now and which dont
Statik and kraken dint give frit anymore which is p bad fir yas/yone, but the crit bleed item exists now
But I reckon you prob gonna pd rush for that 60% attack speed
rustic kite
Oh huh missed that they gave him a compensation for overdraft
rustic osprey
ye him and yone as part of the passive
mighty crow
Big Yasuo buff, not choosing between 80% or 120% crit
Yas and Yone passives increased crit by 150% not double
They only need two items currently
To have 100%
mighty crow
Yeah they made it 150% and reduced their crit damage
When they changed items to 20%
Or not long after
lilac bridge
rustic osprey
Fnc winning with 3 losing lanes early as a full teamfight comp vs a full splitpush comp is rooough for gam
Objectives looking uncontesteable
rain girder
...easylove you good?
rustic osprey
With rumble dropping r into unsta kalista ult on someone on the carpet or rumble will go omega ham and overheat auto punch and then gets kalista ulted to safety
Kalista rumble was played a lot in lck lpl
Uhh it worked cause ahead but that was not a fight you should take fnc
rain girder
TF be tickling
rain girder
damn razork think's he's invincible
rustic osprey
I am still nervous
Fnc is a good early game skirmish team
But they suuuuuuck at closing game late mid+ and its their sloppiest phase
And it's happening
Pls win ahhhhh
It's looking like such a fnc classic throw incoming
bronze void
I think they'll have this one, I'm expecting a game 2 throw, though
rustic osprey
Honestly with fnc you don't know
They had this issue for like a year now xd
But gam is playing 1 3 1 against vi and keep getting picked off XD
bronze void
Razork has been so aggro all game, so much presence
rustic osprey
OK they will win but its so frustrating to see fnc make the same mistakes over and over and over
bronze void
A little messy but it was still a fairly convinving win. Razork was vicious, and humanoid's early roams were pretty excellent too
rustic osprey
Lane swap meta is so goofy
bronze void
Damn Emo is not on it this game
rustic osprey
Aw man its sad that vcs got kinda decimated by covid and the recent match fixing thing
I think emo is not even like a full highest league in region pro player
rain girder
mna I really don't like GAM's team lol
bronze void
Lol the baron
rustic osprey
mna I really don't like GAM's team lol
I think every team in vcs got like atleast 1 player banned due to match fixing and rgey couldn't go to international competition fir 2 years due to covid xd
rain girder
yeah that was a big issue lol
rustic osprey
Atm fnc is just playing and behaving like it's solo q xd
bronze void
Even with some goofy plays it was such a beatdown damn
rain girder
brazil upset let's fucking goooo
bronze void
Yeah its pretty standard so far
rain girder
Okay, I have a strange question
Using our current understanding of race as a social construct
- How many distinct Races does Runeterra have?
- Do Undead count?
Because off the top of my head, you have:
Humans
Vastaya
Yordles
Darkin(?)
Aspects(?)
Ascended
Demons(Also Spirits)
Void Creatures
But I'm not sure what I'd consider characters like Yorick/Viego/Mordekaiser/Hecarim, most of the Shadow Isles people really.
rain girder
Dragons, yeah
yeah defining what's divine in runeterra is weird
since Aspects are normal people except the Aspect kinda takes them over sort of?
bronze void
Are brackern still a distinct race? I'm pretty sure they are
rain girder
I'm not sure. The new lore still calls him one
But it doesn't mention any others
Dude just chills under Ixtal and answers threats
bronze void
One of his voice lines he talks about bracklings (cute) so I assume he's not the only brackern
rain girder
oh that is cute
The real question is
are Brackern some ancient version of Vastaya
or are they not related at all
because there are some blurred lines between Vastaya and others
bronze void
Yeah
rain girder
like how neeko isn't Vastaya, but Vastaya-shairei or whatever
bronze void
Isn't Sett half vastayan or something, too?
rain girder
yeah, Sett's dad was Vastaya, his mom was a human
So there's degrees of it
and also do we count various different kinds of vastaya?
Xayah and Ahri are both Vastaya but not the same... tribe? clan?
basically
I had this stupid idea for a youtube video
wherein I break down and tier-list how racist the champions in league are
on an in-universe level
so like, you then have to question what racism in runeterra looks like
etc
I don't know if it's still canon that Noxus hates yordles on a passive level
But then you have to question "can you be racist against demons/undead" in the case of characters like Lucian/Senna, do Demacians all sorta-count unless they're explicitly anti-racist in some way, etc
It raises interesting questions
woeful shuttle
Arent demons like ontologically not sentient friendly
rain girder
from what I understand they're all like, primal representations of emotions so far?
so idk
rustic osprey
Such a clean orn combo 😌
rustic osprey
Because off the top of my head, you have:
Humans
Vastaya
Yordles
Darkin(?)
Aspec...
Darkin and ascended are technically the same no? Darkin are just corrupted ascended
And I think there is also q minotaur race that is distinct from the vastaya?
rain girder
I'm not sure if alistar is vastaya or not
rustic osprey
In lor there are also minotaur people
They got decimated and integrated into noxus
Also ngl. That fly loss might be worse then the mad one. Yes mad lost a 1 minute earlier but that was with better and double herald
That was a brutal game 😔
rustic osprey
In a meta without double herald that's 💀
rain girder
I cannot WAIT to get the tri-cast recap of that game
rustic osprey
It was also with a late scaling comp, orn/azir/senna ooof
Hail ashe sup is disgustin
OK but fly Is not dead yet!
rain girder
god what a fucking slaughter
rain girder
man I hope TOP vs FNC is more entertaining lmao
rain girder
yo my girl lulu tho
rustic osprey
its kinda still a distaster xd
they get kills but tes is getting way mroe gold macrowise
esp the lucian
lb shutdown to lucian
might ber gg
bronze void
Yeah, this looks like it, oof
I know jackeylove was the standout that game but 369's frontlining on ksante was brutal. He's so strong on that champ
rain girder
god I hate K'sante lmao
But yeah a good K'Sante can destroy a lane and frontline like no tomorrow
rustic osprey
jackey is also having a career highlight season 😌
rain girder
The fuckin camille pick okay
rustic osprey
Losing darksealstacks and shutdown oof
Mid even again
Fnc plays great early but man I worry macrowise
And bot is down a lot of cs
Looking good!
But it is a big ad dif
rustic osprey
Pls
Fnc
Been really liking jun
Would love to see him with a more aggressive ad
JUUUUN
JUN JUN JUN
The e aswell to break edge
bronze void
Very convincing win. Is this the first bo3 that went to 3?
rustic osprey
LETSGOOO
rustic osprey
Very convincing win. Is this the first bo3 that went to 3?
Fly psg went 3
bronze void
Ah right
Noah does feel like the weakest link atm, hope he shows up a bit more in game 3
rustic osprey
He is not bad but yee
I think fnc would really benefit from a more aggressive ad with jun
bronze void
Leblanc ban, not that surprising
bronze void
Definitely leaning harder on Noah with the tanks top and jungle
rustic osprey
And no one can really contest the tris on side
bronze void
Humanoid and Razork are still probably gonna be pretty scary on the roaming, though
Oof
bronze void
Huge arrow from Jackey
rustic osprey
Mercs opop
bronze void
The lack of lane dominance from humanoid is pretty worrying, him and razork are so integral to fnatic's strategy
bronze void
Oh no
rustic osprey
That felt desperate
rain girder
Q + Ult and then... nothing happened
bronze void
This looks really bad for fnc
rain girder
hah the arrow hit taliyah in spawn
bronze void
lol
rain girder
Or at least it looked like it did
rustic osprey
It's gg
bronze void
where was this creme the last two games goddamn
rain girder
Storing his power for this one
clearly
also
I like how TES's kills are split pretty evenly between Creme and Jackey
so there's not just one threat
FNC is going to have to make a MONSTER of a play to make this work
rain girder
lmao
rustic osprey
Fnc just has 0 dmg
bronze void
What a slaughter
rain girder
Also the level diff means that TES has more HP than FNC on average
rustic osprey
Ngl
rustic osprey
This kinda looked like the first game tes actually played like themselves and that's still kinda crazy to say
bronze void
This was more dominant than game 1 imo
bronze void
Humanoid was on the backfoot the whole time and without him they sorta crumbled
rustic osprey
The first game of the series they looked like they played in lpl
/closest to their usual form
Apart from jackey
bronze void
That and Razork being on a tank, he always looks more threatening when he's on a duelling fighter
rustic osprey
Also it's crazy but
BLG is like a big tier above tes even
My ranking is like BLG GENG S+ with blg above geng, t1 s, tes A and then g2 A/B
mighty crow
Because off the top of my head, you have:
Humans
Vastaya
Yordles
Darkin(?)
Aspec...
The way I'd do it is anything purely magic or myth in origin doesn't count, and anything that's just a modification doesn't count.
So Darkin and Ascended used to be human or whatever previously, so they're just previous race with a modifier.
Likewise demons don't count in the same way that elementals wouldn't count. Volibear isn't a race because it's unique, there's one volibear and it's not reproducing, demons and undead are the same. They can make more but it's not reproduction. Undead also mostly count as the previous race+.
This gives us void, humans, yordle, vastaya, minotaurs, whatever Jax is I forget the word but I remember it's not vastayan I think, brackern, yeti, dragon, troll, poro, ... Do we know what's up with twitch?, ...cat? Yuumi exists and is sentient and is apparently just a normal cat but magic
I might count fae
I don't understand how they work tbh
Oh there's multiple sentient cats right
There's also the scientist in p&z
Yeah sentient cat is apparently a race
silver heath
Because off the top of my head, you have:
Humans
Vastaya
Yordles
Darkin(?)
Aspec...
None of these really seem like races in a social construct sense
fallen notch
been playing Rell in arenas and damn is she actually a lot of fun there, you just brick wall the hell out of everyone as long as your teammate builds some anti-tank in return
Hwei's also a good pick, between the two of them I just love to 2 b pressin buttons
rain girder
Alright, had to do a windows reinstall
Let's fucking PRAY that my reconnect issue is figured out
bronze void
Goddamn PSG are back with a vengeance today
heady raptor
idk why it came to me just now but, Arena scratches the same itch as battlerite
bronze void
Yeah, similar vibe
I need to tempt my friends to play some more of it, it's a cool mode
Oh sick we might see noah pop off, he's been a bit on the backfoot so far in MSI
bronze void
Yeah wow, awesome showing from Noah there
rustic osprey
noooaah why you go on ruumble
was naaash
FNC
PLEASE
STOP THROWING
why contest drake with no lucian/ahri ult
this might be lost
okm
OK FNC
thats a crazy fucking inhib turret dive
AHHHH
NOOOOOOOOO FNC
thats soul lost
thats such a weird end
bronze void
good old fnc
bronze void
Was really happy to see Noah put in work these 2 games, though
Hope we see more of that as we go further in
rustic osprey
he played well, think the build was a lil troll
IE instead of navori and LDR would have been i thiink better but they won so
bronze void
Eh, lucian loves the cdr from navori and GAM didn't have an uper beefy frontline
rustic osprey
its late game/high levels so armor pen is always good, and yes lucian loves the cdr but i dont think gam was actually tanky enough for the cd cooldown to actually matter over the pure ie dmg, lucian didnt really have a frontline to hit and use the cd
rain girder
my heart is with Impact, I believe
rustic osprey
While having an all time season
rain girder
also I like the trist pick normally but not sure about it here
they're lacking magic damage
fuckin laneswaps
rustic osprey
Camping that bush was a crazy idea
rain girder
liek what was the idea
level 4 renata, level 5 yeon
"yeah we'll stay while Lucian has ult"
TBH if they had ults I could see it
Impact save us all
rustic osprey
Tian telling apa to shut up is so funny
rustic osprey
Imagine having that adc
Dashes into the roots to protec nami and cleanse
That's my goat
rain girder
lol
rustic osprey
But why did tl wanna continue the fight
They got the pick and shutdown, just leeeave 
rain girder
one of those "all that for me?" moments
rustic osprey
Yeon?
rain girder
Haven't seen a Smolder in a hot minute huh
words
cannot express
how much I fucking ahte Senna lmao
lyric viper
ORNNSWEEP
rustic osprey
THE SUPPORT SOLO KILL
rain girder
yo we scaling
double dragon time
or not ig
it's okay they're throwing so they can hear silver scrapes
rustic osprey
Mako legit the support goat of all time
Crazy resumé
Consistently at the top of competition over years
rain girder
tag yourself I'm corki's immense fucking damage
rustic osprey
How does jhin have 14 cs
rain girder
too much time poking
rustic osprey
its so fun tes has 3 world chsmps from 3 different worlds lpl winners#
Corki was 2-26 in summer lpl + playoffs lmao
rustic osprey
But fnc saw seju walk over the ward xd
rain girder
rain girder
he's goin berserk
rustic osprey
Blg is just so fucking good
bronze void
Goddamn
bronze void
Seriously impressive comeback
bronze void
Baiting the crowd with the vayne 3 picks in a row was funny lol
rustic osprey
Blg did also throw a lil
bronze void
Worried for PSG with the Ksante on the board for BLG though, that champ keeps performing
rustic osprey
But good on psg to take the opportunity
Ye no blg has a much better r draft this time
HOLY FUCK
That wa ugly
Completely botched
Shun got entire top side Jung oof
rain girder
K'Sante needs to be removed from the game istg
mighty crow
Spoilerssssss
rustic osprey
I mean we are live reacting
rustic osprey
||HOW THE FUCK, was this a 25 min game for blg after they lost early dayum||
mighty crow
I mean we are live reacting
Yes but not all of us can watch live
Some of us are at work
bronze void
||Betty 
Insane teamfighting||
rustic osprey
Will Spoiler then. I am just suprised because it wasn't an issue now for a week and a half
rustic osprey
||Betty <:poggerd:743940770481832056> <:poggerd:743940770481832056> <:poggerd:74...
||holy fuck blg omega threw that||
||very wp by Betty tho, elk was just half life to baron for no reason XD||
bronze void
||holy fuck blg omega threw that||
||To be fair they weren't really in a spot to give up the baron. Also soul point mountain for the double tank comp is brutal||
rustic osprey
||To be fair they weren't really in a spot to give up the baron. Also soul point...
||that's true but you can't just let elk tank Nash, needed to play way slower||
mighty crow
Will Spoiler then. I am just suprised because it wasn't an issue now for a week ...
This is not the first time I've said it
rustic osprey
||and they stayed way to long at drake, needed to insta rush mash ||
rustic osprey
This is not the first time I've said it
Then I apologize but I can't see any message regarding that to msi prior. Could be overlooking it
||dayum wp by psg||
bronze void
||SILVER SCRAPES BABY||
rustic osprey
||I am not looking forward to all people bitching about how "overrated" lpl is etc etc as if this game is indication for like how good blg overall are||
bronze void
||Yoo kindred||
rustic osprey
|| damm TL by far looking like the worst team in the lower bracket||
||blg have had enough lmao||
bronze void
||Yeah this looks vicious||
rustic osprey
||i think the throw really took em of balance cause they stomped em but then threw||
||they were a bit shell-shocked and didnt really play like themselves in game 3 and 4, the game 4 comp i think was a bit criminal from blg||
||this game tho they play like they usually did in lpl||
||regardless tho, PSG should be mega proud||
bronze void
||10/0 at 20 minutes for BLG is brutal, 10k gold diff, too||
rain girder
Please riot
in the next round of item cuts
remove Collector
so very very tired of this item
rain girder
Alright, 3-0 TSM ez win
Oh, good. ||They banned Senna. Can't let people have that.||
||GOOD SHIT CAPS||
rustic osprey
||LETS FUCKING GO G2||
rustic osprey
||pause gaaah||
rain girder
||"Pause, we didn't know we could go 0-4 this early. We need to rethink this."||
||"Chronobreak back to before Faker got solo'd, please."||
rustic osprey
aww man ||the pause really slowed the omega hype i just had||
rain girder
||Pause #2 ||
rustic osprey
||fuck g2 to aggressive, the pause killed the momentum so hard||
rain girder
The camera following the Lillia E was really funny
rustic osprey
||Lilia ain't great vs the enemy comp||
rain girder
CAPS?
rustic osprey
Its a comp dif
rain girder
I just
||They keep walking into really shitty fights||
or just ||get caught||
||CAPS WHY ARE YOU THERE?||
This ||Alistar|| pick is doing some fucking work
fuuuuck why so aggro
rustic osprey
||the issue is that Lilia just can't play the game vs enemy comp||
rain girder
yeah
The moment ||Lillia is close enough, she's taken 2/3 of her health and is CC'd||
JUST TAKE THE STEAL AND LEAVE
christ
rain girder
This is fuckin dope
rustic osprey
||OK||
rain girder
oh lordt
Faker on ||Ahri|| and Oner on ||Lee Sin||
the fucking dynamic duo
||this is nail-biting, I'm hype||
HOLY SHIT THAT FOXFIRE
rustic osprey
||ksante is such a bs champ||
rain girder
What, he's just a tank bruiser assassin who has knockup, knockback, ult, unstoppable, a repeatable 3-cast Q, scaling with almost every stat in the game, and damage reduction
rustic osprey
||why did hans not go ldr 4th xd||
||it was so winnable, bel was also kinda useless sadge||
rain girder
||yeah after the initial W she just didn't do very much in any given fight||
woeful shuttle
so I got 10.4k gold off of gambler's blade on urgot
I don't think it applies his onhit reduction
rustic osprey
lmao
if oyu roll it the strategy is prob to just keep it for like 1 or 2 rounds then sell it since it does 0 for urgot otherwise?
fallen notch
spoiler alert; kalista is a wonky champion, I've gotta learn how to do early game with her
woeful shuttle
watch out for RSIs
bronze void
I tried the lethality build recently on her and it was quite fun
heady raptor
watch out for RSIs
@fallen notch repettitive stress injury from trying to play kalista (carpal tunnel)
fallen notch
ahhh naruhodo
silver heath
spice glen
god those follow up to tweets to absolute scuffed thoughts people have are great.
woeful shuttle
oh he's actually running for representative
I uh
none of the non-fishing options have existed for "most of civilization"
golf is middle ages or something
rustic kite
Are we not including bows and slings as shooting?
woeful shuttle
I wouldn't
shooting to me means guns
also there were many civilizations that had a martial tradition that didn't use bows or slings
iirc a lot of poorer greeks were javelin throwers
rustic kite
That's true. Also not everyone fished (or even hunted)
fallen notch
been playing a lot of Ashe support today and I'm noticing that AP Ashe supp seems better than AD. It's kind of a funny concept but also I'm sure it's completely outclassed by just playing an actual poke mage
(or at least it's better than Lethality, normal AD Ashe might be more comparable?)
lyric viper
I feel like the best way to build her, in either case, is a lot of CDR
mighty crow
Lethality Ashe has the major advantage of having the best support item in the game
But is otherwise outclassed
It just turns out an extra conditional sweeper is uh
Very stronk
bronze void
Eh, you also get a fairly strong early game out of it. Ashe has long range and the slow on attack means you can punish over extensions really hard
mighty crow
Oh yeah, I meant outclassed by the AP build
Which is basically the same in very early game
If not even a bit stronger
Comet good
bronze void
I think HoB is better just because until you have a few levels in w it's cooldown is quite long
mighty crow
Certainly for the all in
rustic osprey
||THOSE ARE MY WESTERN GOATS LETSSGO||
bronze void
||Yeah holy shit, 3-0 against TES? That's fucking nuts||
||I really liked how measured they were in the last game, they knew their comp scaled harder and waited until they were online to properly pull the trigger||
rustic osprey
yun tal wilöd arrows feel fucking great on yas/yone damm
sivir is probably also salivating seeing how you can go navori ie now (navori lost the bonus ability dmg tho)
rain girder
Alright
My hopes for TL against T1 are not terribly high here
but I believe
we hope we cope
also can k'sante ult camille through a wall if Camille ulted him
The answer is yes
yo the ||SAMIRA|| tho?
Interesting tactic, try really hard to set ||Oner|| behind.
rain girder
Zeus going fucking insane
rustic osprey
||T1 played so bad, was a legit 3-0 winnable series for TL lmao, but they omega threw game1/2||
lyric viper
URGOTSWEEP
rustic osprey
Yun tal arrow is nasty with stuff like mine yassuo
I don't know which path to to take tho now with trist
Also kaisa is omega happy, no stinky crit in the build no more
rustic osprey
i dont have any high mastery sadge
bronze void
My highest is Poppy with level 8 lol, I don't really focus on single champs much
bronze void
Lmaoo