I had some issues like that recently yeah
#League of Legends
raw leaf
lilac bridge
fucking christ
it was literlaly fine just a few day sago
i can't even load into a game like this
wonderful.
aaaaaaaaaand it's doing to LoR too. fantastic.
bronze void
I've been trying the new onhit adc items and I think I've realised I just don't like onhit builds very much. Crit just feels better to me
fallen notch
on-hit ADCs require me to kite people and I'm not very good at that
I'd much rather just dumpster someone with funny numbers
bronze void
I actually like kiting! Ashe is one of my go-to's, it just feels like I'm giving up a fair bit of damage whenever I go onhit over crit
My current trio of adcs are ashe, varus and vayne. All of them are probably good with onhit, but I like to crit
rain girder
Tristana's my favorite for crits
bronze void
Tristana's cool but her midgame feels a bit too awkward for me
rain girder
Yeah, she really gets popping around 3rd item but fortunately she can farm real well
only real downside is that you kinda HAVE to auto-push with her E, hard not to
bronze void
Yeah, a bit less of an issue this season because the jungler and midlaner usually want to focus top a bit more now, but still annoying to play around
rustic osprey
My current trio of adcs are ashe, varus and vayne. All of them are *probably* go...
Isnt vayne one of the primary onhitters?
With bork, guinsoos and terminus, and before that triforce/bork
Varus is also primarily onhit or lethality usually
I looove playing onhit adcs so much more
rustic osprey
and quickblade ones like Tris
rain girder
Vayne mainly works with onhits because if they can get stuff that procs silver bolts faster things get nutty
bronze void
Isnt vayne one of the primary onhitters?
It might seem like that initially but the ad scaling on tumble, the damage boost you get from ult and the fact that tumble cooldown gets obscenely low lategame, making firing off only a handful of autoattacks before stealthing again makes crit hit obscenely hard
Crit is works pretty great on her, same on varus. I'm not a fan of lethality varus as it feels like you sacrifice a ton of your frontline killing for it
and I play adcs to kill frontline
silver heath
You do for Varus he’s just a ranged assassin with lethality
bronze void
Varus is a crit adc its everyone else building him wrong 😤
rustic kite
I thought it was lethality for midgame and crit for late
fallen notch
I thought he was an AP champion 
dim tapir
iirc his w has ap scaling but not good enough to dedicate to building AP?
rustic kite
0.35 AP per AA is some decent damage scaling for an AP/AS build before you start popping stacks
If you have just 200 AP and pop 3 stacks that's 14% max health
400 AP? 23% max health
rustic osprey
and I play adcs to kill frontline
if you play adc to kill frontline isnt onhit just more effective then? I might also just be top vayne pilled
rustic osprey
iirc his w has ap scaling but not good enough to dedicate to building AP?
they nerfed it
Varus was one of the few champions who could like mathmetically oneshot someone with enough ap
just by pure % dmg
rustic kite
Oh yeah, late last year in 13.13
rustic osprey
if you had like 500+ ap you could onehit 5k plus health tanks on 3 stacks
since you did absurd % dmg
rustic kite
Yeah you get 3 pops per spell rotation
rustic osprey
hob and then quick w q and you kill like a 4k andy insta
rustic kite
So you you can do 30% health twice and then have the WQ execute
rustic osprey
So you you can do 30% health twice and then have the WQ execute
unironcially even more then 30%
rustic kite
Yeah that's at like 500 AP and current ratios
rustic osprey
I think the highest I have seen was me playing ap varus in arena. i had so much ap that the w did like 80-90% max health dmg with 3 stacks being popped without accounting fo any other dmg source
rustic kite
700 AP and pre-nerf ratios? Yeah...
rustic osprey
is p funny
I like new onhit too tho
terminus is nice
the % dmg is the reason right before the new season
the new varus build was with Radiant Virtue as mythic
and you went like top varus with Radiant Virtue
bronze void
if you play adc to kill frontline isnt onhit just more effective then? I might a...
There's not really any noticable damage difference between going crit and onhit vs tank champions. Onhit is good, but crit is such a powerful damage multiplier
The bigger difference is your luxury crit items (bt and ie) are very expensive, so it takes a little longer to ramp up to it
lilac bridge
god
you can get to fucking. 75% tenacity with legends bloodlines, sterak's, and merc treads
fallen notch
wit's end also gives tenacity now, dunno what champ really wants all three of those items tho
specifically Sterak's and Wit's End don't strike me as things that gel that well
rustic osprey
wits end giving tenacity is hella nice fo all onhits
and people like yone, yassuo
terminus also such a nice yone item
fallen notch
I've been playing a little bit of Trynd mid and I should probably consider Wit's End a little more
I'm never quite sure how to build him because I salivate at the chance to build crit and do funny numbers, and Quickblades at least used to be pretty good on him, but then you're paper thin
also trying to fit Hexplate into a crit build is weird, but he seems like someone who benefits a lot from it
rustic osprey
you only need like 2 cit items
spice glen
There are a number of reasons you want that 75% tenacity.
I will point at Lux and Morgana for my own personal screaming agony at having to be CC'd for so long
so thank you for telling me this information, as I will use it.
rustic osprey
its sooo funny lich bane is now an azir item
rain girder
"League of Legends is a good game because there's many many ways to get good at it" is an interesting statement
Feels like something I've been saying forever
fallen notch
Is there any way that Trynd wins against the Malph matchup or do I just have to suffer because attack speed debuff
rain girder
Outsustain him, I would imagine.
Malph has only a shield and no native healing, Trynd can E-spin and auto waves down quickly and then heal from most if not all of Malph's damage, assuming that Malph isn't AP
fallen notch
That didn’t really work, even with Merc Treads I was getting bursted down
and yeah tank Malph
Or whittled down I guess
I’ll have to try it again but boy
bronze void
Is there any way that Trynd wins against the Malph matchup or do I just have to ...
I doubt it, that's much more of a lane you just have to survive through and then make up later by being an annoying splitpusher. Maybe grab an early vamp scepter for healing up on waves so he can't whittle you down as easily
rain girder
Yeah you're probably not winning fights against him but you can definitely clear well. And keeping his attention top is a good way to make sure he doesn't ult in a teamfight
silver heath
Is there any way that Trynd wins against the Malph matchup or do I just have to ...
It's pure shit
Just uh, try not to feed too much and hope he goes off to teamfight while you split
The winrate delta for Trynd into Malph is like -8% its awful
I think it might actually be one of the hardest counters in the game
pain, suffering, gnashing of tryndamere teeth
rain girder
Also, if you want to be an absolute menace
and if he lets you push
sneak into enemy jungle, snag some krugs, gromp, or wolves
just make yourself an absolute nuisance
woeful shuttle
I think it might actually be one of the hardest counters in the game
brand apparently has a -11% winrate delta into zilean
woeful shuttle
support
I wish there was a better way to view this stuff because it's pretty unsearchable rn
woeful shuttle
yeah there's a few others in that range
pantheon is -10% into taric support
asol is -9% into fizz mid
silver heath
The strong speed up makes the stun and pillar unreliable and Brand Support thrives on being able to blow someone the fuck up with a pick
woeful shuttle
also the ult of lmao no
woeful shuttle
it's pretty standard hard counter stuff but some of those win deltas are huge
silver heath
Yeah for sure
woeful shuttle
irelia apparently is at -10% into ww top
bronze void
Might just be due to a low number of games, adds a bit more variance? I don't think ww top is that popular
woeful shuttle
it's a very hard counter to irelia
lolalytics says 5% win delta but yeah it's pretty bad
bronze void
oh lol I meant to say popular rather than powerful
woeful shuttle
it's played but not particularly common
rain girder
LCS is fuckin popping off today
Lots of new faces
TL vs 100T was fantastic, love to see new blood winning games
Sniper coming in off of academy and absolutely cooking was a delight to see, especially since he got his one-trick game 1 in the LCS
raw leaf
man idk why league keep sbeing weird
just not booting when i try to boot it for no reason seemingly
rustic kite
Excellent play, damn
rain girder
also lucian + enchanter is NOT doing well for pros at the moment but people keep picking it
silver heath
Maybe its been looking better in scrims
rain girder
very surprised to see Seraphine and Udyr picks
as well as Zac
oh yeah one of the casters just said "Lucian has been performing in scrims, but not on stage"
rain girder
Zac apparently got some quickie buffs
silver heath
IDK what's up with Udyr
rain girder
for sustain
rain girder
Udyr just gets to be a bully with the new items
when AP makes you tanky it fuels a vicious cycle
but so far we've seen some wacky picks. Seraphine, Riven, Jhin, Xin, and now Zac Mid
silver heath
wait it was Zac mid
rain girder
Jhin isn't THAT wacky but crazy to see him when champs like Aphelios still exist
yes
silver heath
oh ok that's much weirder haha
rain girder
SR is playing Zac mid Xin Jungle
silver heath
I only caught the last game
rain girder
Zac vs Orianna
Seraphine/Senna bot lane sounds torturous to play against
but my boy turtle's on SR so I'm rooting for him(I'm watching it a bit late)
also two pauses so far
silver heath
rain girder
Bwipo just fucking DISRESPECTED Bugi tho
also I do hope they nip this double support item thing in the bud
silver heath
They probably will
Something like this happens every season with support items I stg
rain girder
also doublelift on the casters' desk was great to see
and PROXYING IS OCCURRING?
I know it's not much of a difference NOW but
LCS being on live patch is going to be fucking wild
rustic osprey
very surprised to see Seraphine and Udyr picks
he op top
silver heath
LCS being on live patch is going to be fucking wild
Just like the good old days of juggernaut patch worlds!
It's a good change though
silver heath
groady
rain girder
literally wasting awaken on E just so he doesn't get CC'd on the way past Aatrox
mans has a dark seal, a bramble vest, and a phage
lots of focus on the void grubs, too
I love to see it
silver heath
yeah people were going hard at them in the game I saw
rain girder
also I just learned because of the game prior and the casters
that Herald actually spawns more void mites on crash based on how many grubs your team has taken
so taking grubs boosts herald
zac mid going kinda hard tho
according to casters: Seraphine has never been picked in pro play until today
silver heath
That is wrong
Danny picked Seraphine several times in 2021 or 2022
Maybe first time this season?
rain girder
Maybe, yeah
god this is a weird match
SR keeps winning fights but FLY is still very much ahead
void grubs putting in work
raw leaf
i hope the changes to briar go live soon cuz imma love doing triforce on her
im here for my preferred build with her getting buffed lol
woeful shuttle
Something like this happens every season with support items I stg
the issue is with any gold items
but you need to give supports gold items otherwise their lives suck
rustic osprey
the bel veth and cho ones goes hard
lilac bridge
hey, is anyone else's riot client like. just immediately closing after it's opened?
rustic osprey
After being disappointed a bit by the level of LEC atm LPL is so nice to watch
Also pls remove ad lb
rain girder
That's one thing I still wish Riot would do better at
You don't have to hard-restrict items to champion types/classes
but at least incentivize champs staying in their proverbial lane
I'm all for innovation but when the weird niche build become more dominant than a champion's sort of "core" build I feel like there has been a problem
spice glen
it really is the part I hate
dim tapir
this is fucked up
i am practically the front line of my team
as vayne
current scoreboard
nvm this is just salt talk
lyric viper
what the shit
WHAT THE SHIT
MASS LAYOFFS
RIOT FORGE GETTING AXED
LEGENDS OF RUNETERRA BEING PUT ON LIFE SUPPORT
a
what the fiuck
i think its legal to hunt CEOs for sport
godddddddddddddd even though I'm not into league as much... god.
rain girder
Deeply unfortunate
I hope the rioters at lest had some notice and weren't just suddenly terminated
lyric viper
apparently not, since this was VERY abrupt
like literal "Oops! You're fired." on twitter
rain girder
Have we heard that from affected rioters or is that just how it looks?
Not that I doubt you I just recognize that optics are a thing
rustic kite
They dropped Graham McNeill???
rain girder
also yeah they dropped big lore talent
Very sad to hear about Forge and LoR
Though I can kinda understand LoR at least from a business perspective, it's still a well-loved game
That said maybe if they stopped making whole-ass K-Pop groups they could afford to support LoR further but that's just my bias
lyric viper
"Business Perspective" aside this was, in all sense of the words, deeply, deeply, deeply abhorrent
like look a this
goddddd
rain girder
I mean I think it's scuffed but abhorrent may not be the word I'd use
WOTC calling the pinkertons on a streamer: Abhorrent
Riot laying off a lot of people: Still really bad
lyric viper
yeah 😔
raw axle
Have we heard that from affected rioters or is that just how it looks?
According from multiple Rioters I saw on twitter the announcement went public and they only saw who got axed specifically like an hour later
rain girder
Okay yeah that is pretty fucked
rain girder
This will, however
Be the second time Riot has pretty randomly just put into question/straight up axed the jobs of a lot of people out of the blue
first the LCS Academy nonsense and then this
Okay at the very least it looks like they're getting a good severance package, the email linked in the original post goes into detail
6 months salary, compensatory medical pay, additional bonuses, job placement support, etc
lyric viper
but god, imagine waking up and seeing that so many people in your workspace (including you!) got fired in an instant when you weren't awake
rain girder
It still sucks but at least it seems like this was, at least to my eyes, a genuine "We're so sorry but we can't keep this up, we spread ourselves too thin" decision
Also to be clear I'm not trying to tone police and say that you shouldn't be upset
This is still fucked
An actual upsetting thing to occur
raw axle
https://www.riotgames.com/en/news/2024-rioter-update
My general feeling is this https://x.com/headfallsoff/status/1749620668520448481?s=20
Twitter
rain girder
Pretty much, yeah.
lyric viper
yeah
this really does feel like Riot's CEO going "Whoops!!! I'm not making enough earnings for my deep pockets, so boo-hoo! You're getting fired. Good luck, have fun!"
hngh
rain girder
"Big corporations aren't your friend, even if they make games you like" is something I hold pretty true to my heart
But I'm also more inclined to give this specific situation the benefit of the doubt given the statements made here
Though knowing that the CEO worked for Goldman Sachs before starting at Riot in 2011 does sting
rustic osprey
https://www.riotgames.com/en/news/2024-rioter-update
Atleast from this it seems like it's not actually just like an "oops you fired"
Also from more info around
also we dont know if its a Riot or Tencent decision I think
6 months of severance pay, 100% of their annual performance bonus, access to a company laptop for home, and some other stuff is not bad at all I think (dont know cali law tho)
but it does suck bigtime
what a fucked up start xd
woeful shuttle
benefits are extended as well
its pretty good as far as layoffs go
also imo not particularly surprising
as much as I love LoR it was not making money and neither were the riot forge projects
violet hollow
The reactions are what you could expect from something like this, but i agree that the benefits at least soften the blow
also, could be Riot or Tencent going ballistic on the layoff button
While I agree the "CEO should just cut some of their pay" statement is true, it very rarely happens in these cases
like, Nintendo did in the past, but aside from them, the cases are rare
woeful shuttle
like, as far as severence packages go this is really quite good
and also costing riot quite a bit of money
violet hollow
last year we got a lot of layoffs who were just, layoffs
you don't get anything, just, go
woeful shuttle
or the usual half a week per year or whatever
six months is executive golden parachute stuff
violet hollow
I'm very saddened by the LoR stuff since I loved it dearly
The emotional weight of losing a job you love is not something money will soften up, but it's still better then nothing
I find the active help to search for a new job actually the most important thing
woeful shuttle
I've found job placement stuff to be a mixdd bag but it does help
violet hollow
true, but at least it's still riot, so your resume is quite packed as far as industry standards go
rustic kite
I’ve also already seen a company publicly clamoring for gamedevs with a Riot pedigree
bronze void
damn, the guy who did rell's midscope 😔
spice glen
they don't want you touching those sion stocks
lilac bridge
god that and the dual scaling hp runes mean you can just fucking. outscale people just by existing
faster than before, at least
lilac bridge
okay cool
now league is like. freezing for several seconds every couple of seconds
awesome
and i cannot seem to load back into my game
lilac bridge
awesome. literally unplayable.
first two games were fine
now i just can't play
wonderful
woeful shuttle
but rito everyone (nobody) liked tank karma
rustic osprey
Not aggggaaaiinn
bronze void
but rito everyone (nobody) liked tank karma
It deosn't really help tank karma, the damage and shield boosts are to the ap ratios
Her q finally has a non-awful ap scaling
silver heath
finally yay
fallen notch
I saw a PekinWoof vid on it, the AP buff on her Q seems pretty spooky
bronze void
Its got an alright scaling now but it isn't a crazy one
woeful shuttle
It deosn't really help tank karma, the damage and shield boosts are to the ap ra...
I'm just cracking wise about the quote
bronze void
oh lol, failed my reading comprehension
woeful shuttle
ok I still don't think mage karma is very good but it's better
bronze void
Maybe not an excellent pick or anything, but she covers a fun space as a tankier, more utility focused mid
Malignance also feels pretty good on her
lilac bridge
jesus christ the client is so goddamn laggy
welp. i guess i just can't play like this. what the hell
like it just loads to a black screen and it freezes on that whenever i try to load into a game. fuck.
fallen notch
about half the time my client loads in but doesn’t respond when I click stuff, including the close window button
I just keep having to restart my computer
also Taliyah mid feels kinda rough rn, not sure how to build her 🤔
lilac bridge
yeah for real
it's probably due to the increased minimum specs which.
thanks riot for doing that with no heads up?
woeful shuttle
Maybe not an excellent pick or anything, but she covers a fun space as a tankier...
she's apparently 51% in mid so I think the issue is that I've been trying her top
also yeah she needs malignance
rain girder
god every day I wish we had old Aurelion back
I hate his current iteration it's so fucking, just... ugh.
boring ass champ
silver heath
I'd be ok with release aurelion but his older version also sucked
abstract rune
Old Asol was interesting in concept but clunky in execution
New Asol feels better to play but does feel like they're missing a bit of texture to me
rain girder
He's just
He builds HP and AP and goes brr
Holds Q on you and slows you and you can't get away or use vision against him
I'm a little tilted
heady raptor
I should build ROA on Asol
Roa and Archangels staff
but like Lyandris is really good too
and so is Ryalias
lilac bridge
WAIT HULLBREAKER IS SO GOOD NOW
IT DOESN'T REQUIRE YOU TO BE ALONE ANYMORE
wait, no
it still does. it just.
doesn't say that on the fuckin' item.w
what
rustic osprey
Roa and Archangels staff
i would honestly skip rod
except like ryze or kassa double mana items aint it atm i feel
it is kinda fun to see some mages also just skipping them completely
woeful shuttle
IT DOESN'T REQUIRE YOU TO BE ALONE ANYMORE
it's in the boarding party passive
skipper works regardless
rain girder
man serpent's fang feels like it does nothing
hard pendant
Yeah, as long as your tag is different as well
lilac bridge
ah
lilac bridge
god
coming back to this
riven is still such an uninteractive champ once someone masters her
you're never going to outplay her, you're never going to catch her
so just farm and don't even bother
fallen notch
I’m still kinda trying to figure out how to lane as Taliyah mid because the girl feels like she does no damage with Q. I get she’s consistent damage and not burst but sheesh
I don’t wanna build Luden’s because I still think it’s garbage, so I guess I should be building Liandrys? ROA feels… alright, I guess
raw leaf
its matchup dependent
yeah
some champs just get to stat privilege her in allot of interactions lol
trundle has such an odd advantage in that regard in my experience
rustic osprey
I don’t wanna build Luden’s because I still think it’s garbage, so I *guess* I s...
Honestly solo archangel is just good
Fully stacked just by itself it gives you 100 ap roughly and is also a defensive item
You could just go tear into liandrys or like stormsurge and then second item build out archangel. Sadly taliah is not one of the mages that can skip mana item outside of jungle
rustic osprey
has anyone seen the multipe haunting guise build yet? since it does not have unique
spice glen
I don't think it works as I was trying it out just now and the damage doesn't increase dramatically
rustic osprey
makes sense
spice glen
Similar to hextech alternater(?) you only get the 50 extra ap damage once and they all go on cool down.
fallen notch
Haunting Guise doesn’t have a cooldown, it just has to warm up
I know it’s supposedly gross on Teemo, I would guess Malz could make some use of it
rain girder
I love how the LEC casters are like
"Another Statikk Shiv LeBlanc. Isn't AP like, objectively better?"
Even the casters don't get it
rustic kite
Is ADC LeBlanc back?
rain girder
It's still being played
Well, mid-lane at least
Caps is playing it right now
And it's losing pretty hard to Azir
Folks GOTTA learn to ban that K'sante, man
Alright well getting a triple kill evens things out ig
rain girder
Oh man they already hit the double support item strat
Also I'm so happy to see Jojopyun and Vulcan sticking together
Does Milio extend the range that Azir can make his soldiers attack?
violet hollow
Nop, lethal tempo does but not Milos W
rustic osprey
LPL Lucians are built different tho
rustic osprey
it always suprises me how fucking strong fleet footwork is
even tho i should know by now
rain girder
riot games
please restrict items to roles
not all of them
but please let adcs and bruisers stop building assassin items
I'll accept not being able to build marksman or tank myself but please
this shit's stupid
silver heath
that would require making ADC items good at riot seems sort of unwilling to do that
silver heath
tbf Graves has been doing that shit for like 5 seasons
rain girder
tired of non-assassins getting to 100-0 people
with assassin items
also I hate collector, remove that shit
bronze void
but please let adcs and bruisers stop building assassin items
I'm annoyed by adcs building assassin items from the other end. Lategame rolls round and they hit the frontline like a wet noodle
rain girder
yeah, they hope to snowball their early lead but can't carry it
bronze void
Also I've been trying to learn briar and I feel so bad for my teammates. I'm quite bad at her still and it feels rough to sacrifice so much presence in the process of figuring her out :v
I like what riot did with trying to fighterify her more, though. Hopefully they spread that to other fighters which build assassin items
open siren
The most damaging when under no control, but tha scream is real useful
specially for getting health back randomly
bronze void
The scream is a lot of fun
rustic osprey
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Just got a penta stolen in my soloq game
in a game where I was 1 5 as aatrox due to perma ganking but still was strong as fuck
also in the worst possible way. clip will come soon
My Veigar mid is playing and losing vs reksai mid hmm
woeful shuttle
lane reksai is periodically pretty good
rain girder
Who keeps giving these guys akali
every time I've seen Akali in pro play rn she's just fucked everyone up lmao
Vi ults also going hard
god red side SUCKS for taking dragon now
or, at least, for contesting it
rustic osprey
malignance kama is dumb
rain girder
Bwipo is on Flash/Ghost Darius
silver heath
god red side SUCKS for taking dragon now
Yeah the new map is horrible for red side dragon
rain girder
and just blast coned over the wall to ruin an Ivern clear
Blast Cone + Ghost to force an Ivern flash
woeful shuttle
malignance kama is dumb
it's so good
rustic osprey
This might be one of the most tilting and unfortunate pro games I have ever seen
Imagine being inspired
It's so fucking tilting
And then see huhi perma laughing across the stage
Inspired is also playing so good for having less gold then enem support XD
lyric viper
twinks stay winning(?)
rustic osprey
the buff was a bit much XD
rustic osprey
I am on an aatrox groove
the new items feels sooooo good on him
esp late
also fun fact I was 2/5, 1/5 and 3/6 around minute 15 in each of these games XD
rustic osprey
Lilia is so fucking strong atm
violet hollow
also fun fact I was 2/5, 1/5 and 3/6 around minute 15 in each of these games XD
Aatrox be like
"Nah I'd win"
lilac bridge
YREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH AATROX
love aatrox
i wonder if lethality aatrox is still viable
rustic osprey
I have seen it from time to time
lilac bridge
neat
rustic osprey
but like
sky and shojin are so fucking good for attrox
On lethality I think you go profane into edge and hubris
lilac bridge
yeye
rustic osprey
i have been seeing a lot of naut top
woeful shuttle
i wonder if lethality aatrox is still viable
it's....fine
strongly matchup dependent imo
rustic kite
Generally "if going lethality will blow up your lane opponent"?
woeful shuttle
Yup
lilac bridge
does anyone like
have an issue
where after league starts to load, it just. instantly freezes up and refuses to load?
JESUS CHRIST
IT FINALLY DID IT AFTER LIKE
5 GODDAMN MINUTES
sorry no, 10
rain girder
why do so many items just
RANDOMLY grant fuckin ehalth
why is this caitlyn 2k hp
why is shaco that much
especially the AP items
fuckin a man
open siren
Because they don't need to balance scaling and lethality if they just give everyone health
rustic osprey
Think its more due to the new health scaling rune
rustic osprey
RANDOMLY grant fuckin ehalth
Which ones do you mean?
bronze void
Especially late game, you might even be able to hit that with scaling health and the lifesteal rune
Not even with that, actually. I think cait hits 2k hp just with levels
fallen notch
I’m starting to get the hang of Qiyana but god is her early game rough
can’t farm for shit because I get poked out and my jungler is nowhere to be seen
fallen notch
the good news is that she at least has some poke unlike Kass who has to be literally right on top of people, but yeesh
rustic osprey
if you struggle in lane you could go fleet
and then just keep using grass in lane
it is also somewhat easier now once you get profane
fallen notch
I don’t think Fleet is a particularly good rune on her, or at least I’ve never heard of it
rustic osprey
love vayne
i got perma ganked and fed my ass off but
the 0/6 most dmg due to fistfighting with seju and mundo perma XD
spice glen
It's why I don't consider damage done to champs any good reflection of how well one is doing because you can fight mundo, do the most damage but only have one kill
And I scream fighting mundo
rustic osprey
I should have smashed him but got cocky and dove and ate 2 tower shoots and died and then seju came
I am in general a way to greedy and risky player
spice glen
I mean did you learn how far you could go though or no?
fallen notch
Does it still make sense to build RoA first item on TF? I'm wondering if it would be better to immediately go rapidfire because of extra crit gold and longer W range means more impact overall in theory
and it doesn't seem like RoA is really that necessary anymore since his extra crit and ad scaling means he's at least not losing as much
spice glen
If you want to, you can.
but seems like the community still go RoA, Lich bane then either mejai's or RFC.
rustic osprey
Well isn't ad tf just better atm?
In general I don't think roa is a good item atm sadly
raw leaf
Today is smouldering day right?
spice glen
AD tf doesn't seem much better than normal AP.
If anything just better off going hybrid really
spice glen
better off playing it and trying it, and also letting other people try it to see what the general numbers are like in regards to performance before saying which is better.
rustic osprey
I 👏 hate 👏fucking 👏Karma
rustic osprey
It is
Which I think is super fine
We only git a few infi scalings and the game I v fast atm
dim tapir
veigar, kindred, does sion still infinitely stack? asol, senna, thresh
did i miss anyone?
rustic osprey
cho
abstract rune
Sion goes on forever yeah
dim tapir
oh right
abstract rune
There's Swain
dim tapir
kinda glad they capped garen w stacking... always?
rustic osprey
oh ye swain
dim tapir
oh yeah... does that affect max hp?
abstract rune
And of course, Nasus, but that's not his passive
dim tapir
at this point i'm definitely not limiting to passive passive
rustic osprey
solo q is gonna be interesting. expecting smolder feeders and maybe also turbo fed smoulders
abstract rune
oh yeah... does that affect max hp?
Not a ton I think but yeah
rustic osprey
Not a ton I think but yeah
it is a lot*
swains get like 400 to 800 max hp in a normal game
dim tapir
how does he gain stacks now? iirc it's no longer merely landing any spell?
W and E 2nd hit?
abstract rune
It has to be on kill, or via those yeah
dim tapir
ah
abstract rune
nothin outta Q
dim tapir
is smolder E the first one that makes a champ both ignore terrain AND gain vision while animation indicates flying? (wondering if i want to invade dota channel talking about league finally getting high ground vision)
i guess better way of asking would probably be "does asol E also give those 2?"
abstract rune
It does actually
silver heath
did i miss anyone?
Bard
dim tapir
oh yeahhhh
silver heath
Though his is kind of weak
silver heath
yes
the bonus damage scales per 5 chimes forever
practically speaking the scaling is mostly done at 35 chimes
but he is an infinite scaler
dim tapir
ah ok
woeful shuttle
interesting champ
this is an extremely funny timestamp because you can see smolder doing basically nothing while ori kills everyone
silver heath
It feels kinda hard to tell the difference between his W and Q
silver heath
That's fair I did watch with sound off
raw leaf
yeah its a very gloppy noise lol
rustic kite
this is an extremely funny timestamp because you can see smolder doing basically...
It's hard to tell but I think he does like 40-50% of the damage there, the Ori's damage stands out more b/c it's in like... 3 damage instances
jovial stratus
The Lucian eating shit in the background despite not being part of that 2v2 at all is incredibly funny
spice glen
I misread that as Swole Karth
rain girder
Karthus be like
raw leaf
lol
it was such a miserable lane
just karth being karth and all the cc between the two
and once swain had ult me and the senna couldnt reallyd do much that was meaningful
rain girder
I just hate karthus in general
your allies only have to KIND OF win a fight for karthus to blast em
I gapped this hecarim pretty hard but
Garen was the real MVP
always rotating, always roaming
AND still threatening top
raw leaf
ngl i like the briar changes i think
gonna take some getting use to her not just being swingy ultra damage
but i like her being mroe duely durable tbh
and her w heal feels allot more significant now
she feels like a blend of vi and morde to me now
which i dig
silver heath
lol lucky pull I guess
raw leaf
lol
man i like new briag jg
but i continue to be tired of laners who cant lose lanes gracefully and have zero map awareness lol
i swear like half of my jg games at least two lanes are always just shoving themselves into their opponents mouth
rain girder
the Wreckoning, if you will
rustic osprey
does it not atm on live?
woeful shuttle
nope
rustic osprey
oh cause its basic attack instead of onhit
rustic osprey
first smolders in my team. they played p good
@dim tapir also btw list of all infinite stack champs
seing a lot of build variety on smolder
some people go like lethality pure ad with essense reaver and others go full onhit and inbetween
rustic kite
Note: Sylas only if there's an enemy Cho, Draven is pseudo-infinite b/c he loses it all w/ a kill (or 3/4s with a death)
rustic osprey
yeye
silver heath
I don't think Draven should count at all honestly
His passive might give extra gold but he's still slot limited
oh nvm
dim tapir
just use the gold to buy bac... wrong moba
silver heath
missed the explicit adoration execute on his ulti
dim tapir
oh right
rustic osprey
its funny how the execute most often becomes relevenat specifically in pro play
cause in soloq the draven either gets turbo fed or feds turbo 5 minutes into the game
rustic kite
Even in solo q it can still be like 50-100 extra damage in a lvl 6 all in
rustic osprey
smolder builds are wild atm
seeing a triforce manamune shojin build mid
looks fun
violet hollow
So to anyone interested in LoR
They made a video about the future of the game and TLDR it's gonna shift to focus primarily on PoC instead of PvP, stuff and champs will still come out but no more sets will be added to the core game.
Very bummeded out about it all, i played the game since it's beta
But it's basically on life support rn, while i enjoy PoE i always loved to wait for a new set, something we won't have anymore
lilac bridge
So to anyone interested in LoR
They made a video about the future of the game an...
WHAT
jesus. christ.
spice glen
yeah this was mentioned in their letter a while ago, I guess they made a video format one
it basically boils down to League, Valorant, TFT and wild rift being the main focus.
They made mention of Project L but...I don't know if they intend to have that be a mainstay or be a one and done.
spice glen
Canonically.
Veigar can destroy mordekaiser.
rustic osprey
it basically boils down to League, Valorant, TFT and wild rift being the main fo...
Since it's also a f2p def intended mainstay
open siren
Veigar is kinda terrifying if he wasn't... Well, adorable
raw leaf
I feel he'll look cool when he gets a vu too Ngl
open siren
But the adorable is why he's THERE
I do like his LoR version
I also love that he basically keeps going around conquering other evil places and going all "you're just under new management" but actually his management is lovely and he's very forgiving and indulgent so folk love working for him
woeful shuttle
the LoR news is bad but unsurprising given what we know about its profitability
or lack thereof
raw leaf
But the adorable is why he's THERE
Oh he'd still be adorable
Just in a less janky way is what I meant mb
violet hollow
Twitter
rustic osprey
saddet LB in euw
she was alive for 31 minutes
solo carried everything
then died once, we ace and just end the game XD
that must be a tilter of the face of the planet
rain girder
This is two ranked games in a row
Where the client has caused me to be AFK/never connect
or has not let me choose my champion so it counts me as having dodged
alright I guess I just don't play league tonight
rustic osprey
Smolder waveclear prob needs nerfing cause holy
fallen notch
Smolder passive late is a nightmare to deal with
I feel like I've noticed that a lot of scaling champs are pretty strong in norms because people often can't end games fast enough to shut them down
spice glen
such is the power of late game scalers who scale inifintely at the lower skill tiers
silver heath
I feel like I've noticed that a lot of scaling champs are pretty strong in norms...
Yeah this happens so much haha
People get early leads and go “yaah! I’m fed, I get to shit on these noobs” and don’t see that Kayle is doing pushups 0/3/1 in top lane with 7 cs/m
fallen notch
I should play more Nasus, he's pretty fun for exactly that reason
muted pivot
Nasus doesnt scale that well doesnt he due to being immobile melee
Hes good at like mid-late where his stack comes online to dick down other frontliner but truly late he gets shredded by other hyper carries before he can come close to the thing he wanna hit ime
silver heath
Statistically he scales real well
raw leaf
yeah nasus has always been like the late game "raid boss tm" champion
especially if its a nasus that actually prioritizes stacks
like i have an on again off again nasus top and eighty percent of the time i just try to ignore my lane opponent beyond keeping them top and just aim for stacks lol
silver heath
He can't bully big fights really late but he's a horrible split push threat because it gets so damn hard to 1v1
raw leaf
yeah and even in team fights hes still a problem the enemy has to some extent work around
cuz if you just let him do whatever hes gonna make squish shit disappear
especially ones who have no cc or peel in their kit
spice glen
nasus is still in lane solo farming/pushing probably versus going about with objectives.
spice glen
otherwise I can't think of any good reason honestly
raw leaf
allot of top laners and etc come more on line then i feel
which results in him being less able to just stat check people
its also around when team fights start happening usually i feel lol
rustic osprey
Nasus doesnt scale that well doesnt he due to being immobile melee
Also divine being gone does hurt him big
silver heath
Nasus seems to be doing just fine with triforce
rustic osprey
could be, i actually hevent seen him at all
silver heath
He lost some pick rate but he's still got a ~53% wr in emerald+
He did lose some play rate but is still at like 2.5%
rustic osprey
I just keep playing vs the soloq heroes top
violet hollow
what are the reigning champs as far as top goes rn? i saw garen got destroyed by the recent changes
silver heath
Honestly its weird there's so many champions right now that a champ can have a totally healthy playerbase and metrics and I just... don't see them much
Just off of random chance
rustic osprey
I see a fuckton of fiora,riven, aatrox, darius
silver heath
I'd personally characterize the current top meta as a horror show
But I don't really like top lane at the best of times
rustic osprey
zac top is a menace.
but if you play zac vs fiora you are so doomed
I do play vayne and rengo top too
violet hollow
I was like "ah botlane sucks, I had it, I'm gonna switch to toplane, my secondary"
not warmest of welcomes i guess
rustic osprey
I just bounce as usual
am swapping between mid, top and jungle depending on how I feel on the day
woeful shuttle
People get early leads and go “yaah! I’m fed, I get to shit on these noobs” and ...
also why scalers are less common in pro play
there's a much greater emphasis on early game because pros can exploit basically any advantage
rustic osprey
also why scalers are less common in pro play
with some notable exceptions
lilac bridge
rustic osprey
das a lot of mitigated damage
rain girder
the second person talking was the enemy Sylas who was basically 3v5ing by himself for a bid
but got cocky and we were able to snowball after a pick
lilac bridge
god warwick top is so fucking stupid
"hurff hurff hurrf, i'm going to heal for free off every wave and you can't stop me so i'm just a fucking immovable blob"
lilac bridge
raw axle
They had so many opportunities to not die, that's incredible
spice glen
Grevious needs to return at around 50 or 60%. There s too much super strong sustain healing in game right now.
rain girder
Yeah it's a little stupid
violet hollow
hey at least they nerfed garen into the dirt, it's just a shame Fiora is back in business
rustic kite
When GW is at like 60% then either sustain champs don't get to play once GW shows up, or enemies don't get to play vs them without GW
woeful shuttle
Fixed a bug that caused Hullbreaker to not work on simulated attacks such as Urgot’s W.
URGOT APPLIES HULLBREAKER AT 100%
IT IS TIME
rustic osprey
I mean that urgot w applies onhit weaker no? Or can you di triple attack and then deactivate it to get full hit and rehit stack
woeful shuttle
you can do the latter to get full value but in this case its bugged and applies at 100% even with w on
rustic osprey
Wtf
woeful shuttle
so I'm going to go collect some LP while I can
rustic osprey
Also no titanic on the list?
woeful shuttle
titanic sucks
rustic osprey
I got demoted twice in 2 days xd
Spiralling
Had a yumi jungle with ghost and tp
Bad times
A draven ran it after dying with 900 stacks cause jungler didnt gank
fallen notch
enjoying Malzahar a lot rn, Maligmance is such an item
rustic osprey
O love smolder
The people saying the best mid build is potentially
Spear of sojin
Riftmaker
Liandrys
rfc
Which is funny as fuck
After now smolder going dring and w level 1
rustic osprey
@woeful shuttle you are so right
its broken af (was top vs yone)
the dmg on champ and the push
rustic osprey
clown fiesta game
woeful shuttle
URGOTSWEEP REAL?
oh yeah it's stupid busted
like, this is not an okay state for an item to be in
it's Too Good
spice glen
time to nerf urgot
woeful shuttle
oh christ
lyric viper
Huh
abstract rune
huh
rain girder
huh
spice glen
huh
woeful shuttle
yeah it fucking Gets people
rain girder
Y'know
Part of me really wishes that void grubs gave 1 stack for the jungle item per grub
make it a very good objective for a jungler to solo clear if you can sneak it
so I did learn that if you take all 3, you only get one stack
but if you take one and the enemy jungler takes one
they ALSO get a stack if they got at least one
woeful shuttle
Asol got hotfixed lol
spice glen
...This makes me giggle.
"Yeah Urgot became upsetting broken with this patch."
"Fix Asol."
dim tapir
this is just "better nerf irelia" but second verse
spice glen
I would be playing more but after the week I've had health wise...I am not going to.
woeful shuttle
...This makes me giggle.
"Yeah Urgot became upsetting broken with this patch."
"...
oh asol was busted
like gigabusted
spice glen
I am not surprised honestly.
woeful shuttle
the hotfix after tge 14.3 buffs was completely expected
spice glen
Fuck scaling execute abilites more like
spice glen
has a really good Q
violet hollow
*ahem*
He's not a Chem Baron. He hates those guys
true, he's just The Butcher
fallen notch
Fuck scaling execute abilites more like
the hurtbox eventually becoming gigantic and the fact that Rylai's makes it nearly impossible to walk out of also doesn't help
plus W reset on takedown which. lmao
spice glen
Don't get me started, I hate infinite scaling champs.
I don't mind scaling items because those only have super value in obscene late game memes.
fallen notch
I can tolerate some of them (e.g. Senna, Nasus, Cho’gath) but Aurelion just lanes for free unless your jungler helps and/or you have really strong early burst
so if I play something like Ahri or Malz into Aurelion he eventually just outscales me and there’s nothing I can do about it
spice glen
Cho'gath is okay, Senna is just as bad, Nasus is...a end the game as soon as you can, else becoming a raid boss, Thresh is manageable sorta.
Sion is also okay but like pain because only HP.
Asol has too much scaling that affects all his kit.
Smolder should not honestly have infinite stacks, just be capped like rengar(?)
fallen notch
I give Senna a pass because of personal bias but also she's paper thin at all stages of the game; closing the gap can be hard but if she ever gets caught out she's toast. Sion is worse imo because his split push is extremely strong; Nasus and Cho'gath are similar but if they split they have to commit to it whereas Sion can just dip when you come to contest
spice glen
I think the thing I would want all scalers to be like, is like cho'gath.
Where you get only a small amount from minions and then no more, but you can go infinite from champions.
atleast then it's akin to "okay you can't just farm to win."
fallen notch
Not enough experience with Thresh, Veigar is pretty similar to Asol but with the slight gimme that he doesn't have such a busted chase/escape tool, Smolder's free Elder Dragon is stupid but he's still too new for me to totally hate his guts
spice glen
thresh's scaling is armour, and on his auto's when he has E going.
raw axle
I love the infinite scalers because I play them. Getting to the point on veigar that your W takes off half a tanks health bar is just by itself is amazing
spice glen
look if you got that by getting a bunch of champion kills, I'm all for it.
not from just farming minions.
toxic cargo
true, he's just *The Butcher*
He used to be a chem baron, no? He just got fucked over
toxic cargo
Ah, he was some Noxian, right
terse trail
He was an executioner iirc
violet hollow
he was an executioner
now he became a Butcher
He was a noxian executioner, became a prisoner in a mine, killed the mine leader, exploded the mine, and got thrown into a pilltover jail again
toxic cargo
Kaenic rookern time
rustic osprey
urgot sitting at 52.3+ in emerald plus (53+ in masters+)
dayum
also with people picking up fleet now
woeful shuttle
I hate illaoi's kit design
nothing in that kit is healthy
"oh let's make a character that improves in 1v2s"
leave her at 43%
woeful shuttle
I have no idea why she needed the 14.3 buffs
silver heath
She got turbo screwed by the 14 top lane geometry changes
I’m not sure if they fixed that though
woeful shuttle
I’m not sure if they fixed that though
they increased tentacle range from 800 to 925
and gave her a huge set of "temporary" buffs in 14.2
so she's currently 55% winrate
jovial stratus
Deserved
silver heath
I tend to not mind Illaoi that much as a jungler
I just uh
try to spam gank pre-6 and then politely pretend she isn't real
That's a pretty intense win rate though
woeful shuttle
she tilts me pretty bad
like, I know how to play against her and probably have a positive winrate
but laning against her sucks
silver heath
At least there's uh... 2 champions which really hard counter her haha
I do sympathize with that I just avoid playing top because it generally makes me mad
lilac bridge
"oh let's make a character that improves in 1v2s"
honestly i kind of feel the same about darius
like. i get what he's supposed to do. i know what to do about him. but the correct counterplay just being "don't interact with him at all" doesn't feel right
woeful shuttle
it's not not interacting with him, it's limiting interactions to before he gets fully stacked
lilac bridge
eh, true
woeful shuttle
with illaoi it's literally pinging my jungler off so her ult doesn't kill both of us
lilac bridge
ya....
thankfully i'm at the level where like. illaois will just ult in situations where you can just. walk away.
and you haven't already committed
woeful shuttle
yeah it's about baiting the ult then re-engaging
but her lane trading patterns are infuriating
and I hate her E with a burning passion
it's honestly more frustrating than windwall
rustic kite
Did you like old E more or less?
raw axle
What changed on her E?
rustic kite
Pre s9, hitting Illaoi w/ attacks/abilities made reduced the spirit's duration, but it'd be 10 seconds if you didn't hit her
woeful shuttle
Did you like old E more or less?
more, there was interaction other than popping shield and running away
and esp for urgot since I auto 3 times per second it burns the spirit duration real fast
rustic kite
Oh hah, yeah that'd do it. But yeah I liked it more too
spice glen
oh that change sounds like there's actual commit or run away parts.
I know that I would commit as morde if she got that ability to land on me so it'd be nice.
rustic osprey
Darius is a 50/50 for me since I usually play Champs that can go into his q which significantly makes the match up easier
I di despise garen tho
Health regen passive and an ult that no matter how behind he is always deals massive damage
Atleast Darius has to get to 5 stacks
I hate garen
fallen notch
top laner try not to be allergic to grouping and lose us the game challenge (impossible)
lilac bridge
team keeps getting one shot by the fucking support talon
refuse to buy any defensive items like zhonyas or shieldbow
nope, can't do that
our lucian goes in, nearly dies. i bail him out with sion ult, tell him to stop that and back up in chat.
he immediately goes back in and ults and dies.
why are teammates like fucking lemmings?
rain girder
It's wild to me how people can justify flaming by their rank
as if someone being diamond while I'm gold is justification for them to be toxic
raw axle
My response has always been in situations like those just "Why do you care so much about that"
lilac bridge
rustic osprey
lilac bridge
@woeful shuttle https://twitter.com/Spideraxe30/status/1757481381758750884
Twitter
it's dead
woeful shuttle
it's not dead
4 w + 1AA
if you don't you get half the effect but it still goes off
woeful shuttle
currently it's bugged to apply at 100% even with urgot's w 50% reduction
so he does far too much damage for no playe rinput
with 14.4 it'll require player input and be worse in teamfights because even good players won't try to manage that in a complex fight
I personally think that his higher elo winrate will go up as a result of the BC changes
rustic osprey
Hmm maybe. Altough atm it's p bad except on like 2 champions?
rain girder
It's just obnoxious
rustic osprey
Fair
woeful shuttle
it's been very much feast or famine where it's either unusable or broken
silver heath
I soured on URF a long time ago it was amazing novelty but its just not balanced like the real game is
rain girder
When everyone isn't just "slap heartsteel on" it's pretty fun imo
just raw silliness
but there's 4 heartsteels in this game alone
I've hated this item since day 1 lmao
woeful shuttle
I soured on URF a long time ago it was amazing novelty but its just not balanced...
It is funny seeing the expressed opinion oscillate between "it's just a fun mode let things be broken" and "rito this sucks" depending on what the person's main is
but yeah URF is kinda impossible to balance
silver heath
tbf I am a really degen URF player
I like finding the really gross stuff
Though Riot has removed a lot of it over the years
No more permaroot Maokai/Poppy
rain girder
you can get almost there with rell
mighty crow
Just got a pentakill!
In ranked!
Lethality MF sometimes just presses R and gets a penta lmao
lyric viper
in a normal game no less
I remember yesterday playing WR ARAM when I was matched against an entire team of like 5 melee champs
alistar, braum, mundo, sett, and olaf
its a good thing we won, since it'd be embarrassing if we didn't
mighty crow
There are melee comps that can work fine
Where you have enough engage to just
Go all in after 6
lyric viper
true, but even against a lux and a sivir, plus their 3 tanky boyfriends...
the three tanky boyfriends were darius, ornn, and warwick (me)
silver heath
tbf all tanky melee can run people over if they're organized
it's an uphill execution battle though
lyric viper
yep
and this was in WR, not regular League
so like
yeah
not that much team coordination on mobile
silver heath
yeah that's fair
It's one of those ones where its winnable but only if you're much sweatier than your opponent
mighty crow
Just had a game that was similarly frustrating
5 ADC vs a team that had Sion and Cho'gath
They just built pure armor tank
And I was a supremely fed Senna but I just couldn't punch through
And none of the other ADCs built a LW before their 4th item
lyric viper
damn
mighty crow
So even though I was killing folks, it just couldn't be enough
lyric viper
reminds me when I was fighting a super fed ornn on aram as jhin
couldn't even make a dent in that ram
even with my fourth shot
lyric viper
"No further pleasantries needed" He says as he eats the power of the sun to his face
fallen notch
alright yeah Smolder's been out long enough for me to comfortably say that I hate him
That free point and click execute is stupid, you can't end games fast enough in norms to prevent him from eventually being able to pop off. Even Veigar has to aim and Aurelion has to manage a cooldown
mighty crow
Him and ASol have a serious problem where they mostly don't scale off stats
But off of stacks
bronze void
Asol still has a pretty aggressive scaling on his q
spice glen
their stats just help them do big deeps to get you within execution range. The later stacks just make you scream in agony.
fallen notch
god fiddlesticks support is so good, I love just shutting my brain off and absolutely dumping funny numbers on people for free
Shaco supp seems kinda bad right now though, and I'm not really sure why because a lot of other Liandrys champs are eating really good rn
mighty crow
Meta
Shaco support is good vs hard engage melee supports
Which aren't the bot meta atm
He's very good at protecting an important ADC
...But ADCs atm mostly want to go for aggressive high tempo plays
Not safety and farm and scaling
And supports trend toward the Kill You At Range kind atm
So supp Shaco isn't great
fallen notch
I honestly wouldn't have figured he's super good against engage melee, I don't get the sense you can really prep traps in-lane to counter engage tools
lyric viper
So supp Shaco isn't great
YES
GOOD
god I hate that clown
not hate actually
despise
silver heath
Wish I had a Shaco version
mighty crow
I honestly wouldn't have figured he's super good against engage melee, I don't g...
Yeah that's like, the whole reason you pick him, is to do that.
But you need an ADC who also understands this
And plays around boxes
raw leaf
insert mgs alerting all the guards meme here
lyric viper
HIS ASS