LoL was such a different game early on
#League of Legends
silver heath
silver heath
Like this… Evony coded banner from 2009
stray mason
Please give Fortune her new design!
stray mason
Ohh
stray mason
Some Champs need an update fast.
silver heath
The original gankplank splash will never not be funny
What the FUCK is that “chest” hair
woeful shuttle
Some Champs need an update fast.
justice for skarner
rain girder
What the FUCK is that “chest” hair
Very small venom symbiote
Can't cover the whole body
rain girder
Back when eve really was just "haha succubus funny"
stray mason
These are just Warcraft characters
woeful shuttle
wow these are old. I remember lux wearing more clothes than four strategically placed pieces of cloth
stray mason
Again warcraft
rain girder
god the clashing colors on Lux
stray mason
The midrift
rain girder
"Ma'am, where are your organs"
woeful shuttle
old morde actually aged decently
still very early 2000s but like, in a good way
YOU'RE DEAD
WE KILLED YOU
stray mason
I do feel like you could tell me these were mid 2000s wow designs and I would believe you.
Especially Poppy and Urgot.
rain girder
100%. Given the fact that the game was based off of WC3's aesthetic due to its influence, especially
spice glen
YOU'RE DEAD
WE KILLED YOU
his nightmare before christmas skin is reminscent of this.
or...well maybe I'm mkaing that conection but still
stray mason
Urgot is just a scourge mini boss
silver heath
wow these are old. I remember lux wearing more clothes than four strategically p...
Yeah Lux was one of the earliest visual updates
She was SUPER cheerleader-y originally
And kind of a support
stray mason
Is that why she throws her baton/wand
silver heath
It also turned people invisible originally
abstract rune
Janna's LOR design is mixed for me because the level 1 art fucks hard, it's perfect
The level 2, while really sick, I love the idea of Janna getting a 'True Divine Form', fails to make it feel as much like Janna as it should; she kinda looks like one of Kayle's units from a few expansions ago
woeful shuttle
she looks like kayle in her level 2
stray mason
I feel a lot of the early demacia Champs need the most gelp.
abstract rune
she looks like kayle in her level 2
Yeah p much
silver heath
Janna's LOR design is mixed for me because the level 1 art fucks hard, it's perf...
I agree with this
Though I would like her level 1 more if it was a colder in color
woeful shuttle
imo shyv is the most overdue for a rework
stray mason
I think Janna should kinda look like Barbericia from Final Fantasy.
woeful shuttle
mostly because AP shyv really needs to die
silver heath
It’s Shyv or Skarner
woeful shuttle
skarners rework's in progress
abstract rune
I think if they made her 'divine form' more obviously birdy and animalistic, less golds, and make the feathers blue, it'd be perfect
woeful shuttle
imo if they got rid of the wings and helmet it'd work
since janna is supposed to be more personable
raw leaf
same
stray mason
Could just be a lady made of wind.
ripe loom
ah eve
Eve is neat to me because she’s got more sexy with her rework
For the better imo
ripe loom
VOLIBEAR?
abstract rune
Could just be a lady made of wind.
Making her a bird-woman figure formed out of blue feathers in the wind would be amazing honestly
rain girder
Well, most of those are Zaunite, Nilah's people are seafaring and she IS a goddess of wind revered by sailors
Volibear is probably a "I'm the god of storms, you're the goddess of wind" type deal
stray mason
I think Janna is the only other character that could work as a "this is just kind of a naked lady" design.
silver heath
no Corki
We have forgotten the old ways
abstract rune
There actually is a reason for volibear and nilah yeah, LOR's plot setpiece for the current expansion is that Nilah is going around Runeterra to fight Volibear and picked up Janna's aid on the way
And, yeah, the zaunites make sense for her too
woeful shuttle
I mean ok maybe but urgot?
rain girder
He probably doesn't like her very much, I would imagine
stray mason
Ff14 did a wind themed elemental and made her hair very reed/wind themed.
abstract rune
related by living in the same place is a stretch but, eh
rain girder
Curse the fresh air, chem-corruption for all, raaaah
woeful shuttle
yeah I was going to say
stray mason
Though she's like a barbarian lady with a big sword.
woeful shuttle
urgot's more likely to start dumping shit into the air
abstract rune
I will say the detail I do love about janna's divine form is that her hair turns into a big tornado
that goes hard
rain girder
She also doesn't have a fucking twig for a midsection, either
silver heath
I will say the detail I do love about janna's divine form is that her hair turns...
Yeah that’s good
rain girder
Hourglass, yes, but like... that's a proper scale, y'feel?
rustic osprey
https://i.imgur.io/shF5vSn_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
Rip to executing your own lame minions to deny farm and the poison on hit
woeful shuttle
Like this… Evony coded banner from 2009
god how many games had this style of web ad back in the day
fucking gamespy too
raw leaf
morde is still probably my fave champ update theyve ever done
silver heath
“Come play, My Lord” ass ad
raw leaf
like his look is so good
raw leaf
fiddle is good too def
stray mason
I'm waiting for Cho'gath.
woeful shuttle
sion and urgot just for how much they unfucked the original concept
rain girder
Fiddle is great, but Udyr is my favorite of the big redesigns
rustic osprey
Also swain. Old crooked leg swain was so funny
woeful shuttle
like, sion and urgot were fucking messes before rework
rain girder
Mechanically he's just... chef's kiss
raw leaf
udyrs confuses me ngl
silver heath
I wish Udyr’s new model was a little smaller
raw leaf
and makes ultimate udyr just weird
stray mason
Swain is fun
rustic osprey
Old swain and old galio lmao
abstract rune
poor zilean 😔
silver heath
He’s like Volibear sized it feels weird
stray mason
Voli had me hyped
abstract rune
He’s like Volibear sized it feels weird
big maaaan
stray mason
raw leaf
they gave morde an actual cool mace and im forever greatful
hell my main complain with the old god skin is he doesnt have a cool mace
rustic osprey
My fav LoR level up is probably renekton
raw leaf
like the mouth hammer is ok but it doesnt activate my neurons as much
silver heath
I think my favorite is either dark star for the sounds or train morde
rustic osprey
Man I kinda miss the funny old fiddle bouncing bird E
rustic osprey
spice glen
hot take.
Morde's weakest skin right now is Mace of Club
rustic osprey
Hot take?
raw leaf
I think my favorite is either dark star for the sounds or train morde
i like old godsd for the mouth face lol
and the weird eye realm for the ult
raw leaf
hot take.
Morde's weakest skin right now is Mace of Club
i ironically really like that skin
also his worse skins imo are ashen knight and the newer pentakill one
stray mason
Ye
spice glen
Before the rework, it was his best skin
stray mason
woeful shuttle
I think my favorite is either dark star for the sounds or train morde
the passive activation noise on dark star is fantastic
it's screaming
it's just beautifully distorted screaming
spice glen
I'm screaming
woeful shuttle
it sounds so goddamn good
stray mason
||Waiting to see if people noticed this wasn't Renekton||
stray mason
It's Sobek
woeful shuttle
crocodile dude in vaguely egyptian jewelry-armor isn't exactly easily differentiable
rustic kite
I remember when Nasus's and Renekton's lore was "they're aliens that the Summoners pulled in"
And the galactic skins were basically straight Stargate references
stray mason
Smite does that too
silver heath
I remember when Nasus's and Renekton's lore was "they're aliens that the Summone...
They did that so much haha
“This guys a weirdo from another world!”
rustic kite
Yeah Malphite had that too and I forgot who else
rain girder
yeah old LoL was very multiversal
In a way that current LoL isn't, despite having multiple planes at this point
rustic kite
Nocturne I thought came from a Summoner's dream and escaped but is still technically Runeterran
rustic kite
Fiddle... trying to remember Fiddle's original lore
silver heath
He was a fucked up scarecrow a summoner summoned
Who killed everyone who entered the room where he was summoned
But was ok with being used as a Champion for ???
Basically just a random extradimensional keter class
rain girder
Cho'gath I remember hijacked summonings
You never summoned Cho'gath. Cho'gath summoned HIMSELF
rustic kite
Nope, I looked and OG Fiddle was made by a witch who would trap souls in scarecrows, and the witch sent one scarecrow out as a harbinger and now that one is a champion
rain girder
It's so funny to imagine some of the champions now because like
Imagine you're Bel'veth, Empress of the void
Chilling in your Void-Palace
doing void-empress things
and suddenly some chump mage pulls you into Runeterra to fight against an armadillo
How pissed would you be
rustic kite
Nope, I looked and OG Fiddle was made by a witch who would trap souls in scarecr...
And then when the game went from beta to gold his lore was "no one knows his origin, it's a spooky mystery, ooooo!"
silver heath
and suddenly some chump mage pulls you into Runeterra to fight against an armadi...
This is just Aurelion Sol’s lord :p
rustic kite
And then later was the extra-dimensional lore where he killed his summoner and then they lock him in the spooky room
silver heath
open siren
Shaco's current lore is like... possessed puppet yes?
Where are they even connected to?
It would be hilarious if they're related to the Freljord they're just exceptionally weird.
silver heath
not much
abstract rune
shaco's got nothin yeah
open siren
Revamp Gragas and Shaco's lore and make them lovers to enemies somehow
spice glen
People like jesters and clowns. Right? that makes them laugh.```not official lore, just spit balling
rain girder
Yeah, Shaco's current lore is pretty much "There is a story of a possessed doll"
"This doll may or my not be Shaco"
open siren
Honestly one of the easiest things they could do is make them a Member of the Shadow Isles that was the jester to that pretty boy king or something. Or have them be the equivalent to Tahm Kench, but instead of giving poor folk riches they act the jester in court and love to watch places crumble.
rain girder
I like the idea that he's just one of the big ol demons
Laughter as a demon
Although the old interview with shaco from the institute of war era is hilarious
toxic cargo
I'll have a hot take of my own
I prefer old Kayle than the new one
Give me back my armor
I guess she could be mistaken for Leona at a glance, kinda I guess
open siren
They did mess around with some folks designs
I got real sad what they did with Trundle
fallen notch
once again lamenting that I’ll probably see humanity colonize the Moon before my jungler visits my lane more than once per game, if that
Annie into Mord mid and I can’t do anything because he’s manaless and tanks all my early damage, Amumu visits once and we don’t get the kill so he decides never to drop by again
granted this swings both ways because I’m sure a lot of the dumb picks I make wouldn’t be great if the enemy had an attentive jungler, but still
rain girder
Trying out Viego because I hate the guy and want to learn what viego players despise
His clear is interesting, I thought he healed more
But maybe that's like, y'know, just my impression of him later on
Doesn't help that we had a "WHY DOES JUNGLE NEVER GANK" Sivir down below, though. Kept calling me useless and bitching about just everything
I'm topside invading the enemy krugs while they lose a 2v2
"Jungle come down here they're free"
Like, asking for ganks is fine, makes sense
But the "Why weren't you here, right now, in my lane, regardless of what's going on elsewhere" types are infuriating
Most junglers don't have an insta-gank button lol
(Zac does tho, blobby fuck)
raw leaf
egg champion?
raw leaf
where is this?
raw leaf
the new skarner seems neat
abstract rune
A little king fire salamander sounds great if that's the direction that new guy is going for
And I'm down with paint and art vibes
rustic osprey
man Viego is weird tho
Very much a snowballer
silver heath
His abilities READ straightforward
yeah he's a weirdo
at least they removed some of his really weird tech
rustic osprey
You can still use e while changing w which is noce
violet hollow
I'll always love the meme of
Akshan ability description
Vs
Old Pantheon a.d.
Descriptions? Nah son
Spear shot, does exactly what it says
rustic osprey
solar nymph
sinful orbit
Yep
raw leaf
cursed
woeful shuttle
rank between plat and dia
to even out the distribution so silver isn't average anymore
raw leaf
plat being below emerald annoys my brain
abstract rune
oh dear
woeful shuttle
woeful shuttle
I forgot that that's a channel and not a thread
jovial stratus
round surge
i don’t know anything about league but i am here to say Mundo is probably the best because he’s cute. Thank you for your time.
ripe loom
😌
open siren
I always want them to do more with Nautilus. He's such a bad ass champ. Having him show up in the animation before really made him seem so god damn bad ass.
lilac bridge
lsot and forgotten is a great osng
lilac bridge
i don’t know anything about league but i am here to say Mundo is probably the be...
god people saying mundo is cute (which he definitely can be viewed as now, not saying he can't be) is so funny because mundo in my brain is old mundo and
this fucking bitch.
edgy patio
ff7 lookin monster guy lmao
lilac bridge
YEAH
round surge
this fucking bitch.
no that's still cute
fallen notch
I've had my opinion changed on Renata now that I understand more of how she works, girl's got good poke
also why the default rune set uses relentless hunter instead of ult hunter is beyond me, I understand the general principle of zipping back to support fights faster, but her ult is such a big tool to have
raw leaf
no that's still cute
rustic osprey
also why the default rune set uses relentless hunter instead of ult hunter is be...
Roaming 😌
rain girder
I think I just had my first good Viego game
Immediate level 3 gank botside which wound up in a double kill for me
invaded after that to steal Briar's camps and then kill briar
raw leaf
thats what i usually do with briar lol
rain girder
It did help that the enemy mid was, y'know
AP Nautilus
so Ahri ran circles around him and had priority always
rain girder
Briar wasn't doing very well either
raw leaf
fully upgrade your boots you silly your a jg ffs lol
rain girder
fr lmao
raw leaf
like idk much about viego clear but briars clear route to level 3 is fast
so im sorta just puzzled tbh lol
rain girder
Viego has a solid clear time, esp with braum leash
but I told them from the get go that I was going to rush to bot
and Briar went for a bot-to-top full clear
raw leaf
mm mm
i do leashless raptor start on briar
cuz she can do that and just be full hp lol
rain girder
I went blue > gromp > wolves > bot level 3
rain girder
so Briar came down after I got a double kill thinking "oh man I can finish him off
and we just goon squadded
bot side yeah
raw leaf
mm mm
rain girder
It was so quick
rain girder
I was VERY low but I had a braum and cait
raw leaf
no yeah
thats dumb greed behavior
like unless you catch and can clean fast you dont poke that shit
like ive done that sorta pick and run
but i has to be the jg decided to river walk
not fucking just be going back to mind their own or some shit lol
and if i even see another body that early i peace out
rain girder
yeah
raw leaf
or try to get a rotate for a collapse maybe
but that requires laners that pay attention which lmao
rain girder
yeah we just snowballed from there, I did the rest of my clear and then came back to rush drag with them
raw leaf
thatll do it lol
also man it is so obvious with how i talk im an old head jg main lol
mordes at least letting me top nowadays
there was a period where i just could not top savve maybe illaoi lol
rain girder
I was support main for a VERY long time
raw leaf
that was arguably my second
if only due to leona lol
who is arguably my best character lol
hell i showed off my bored head ass leona top game stats a while back
i fucking was chunking the enemy squishies like an assasin champ lol
abstract rune
ohh, Reksai is rad
rustic osprey
Poor reksai 😔
Which she was better yet I don't really at the same time
She very cooltho ye
abstract rune
Sion mid is an interesting move
fallen notch
We won but it certainly wasn't a game where I was doing much. Viktor couldn't kill me but nor did I ever have a chance of hitting him, so
My initial thoughts are that it'll probably work more often than not because (to my understanding) Sion is good into burst and most scaling mages aren't going to do anything during lane phase, so the farm is kinda free. Granted, you won't really be doing much to your enemy either, but you can rotate quickly and you scale infinitely, so.
rustic osprey
My initial thoughts are that it'll probably work more often than not because (to...
Problem is your giving your opposing scaling mage time to scale and if they got first strike even more so.
fallen notch
You'd think so, but the game I had vs. Viktor suggests it kinda doesn't matter
Granted, he didn't go Liandry's like he should have, but I dunno if it would've made that much of a difference
rustic osprey
What was the rest of your/their comp?
edgy trout
Going any tank mid is pretty nasty
Since a lot of mid champs don't match well into tanks
Malz does fine into them tho
hard pendant
Just got double pentas in a game for the first time, nilah is so much fun
rustic osprey
Since a lot of mid champs don't match well into tanks
Eh I kinda disagree
Shit sry for ping
Depends on the tank.
fallen notch
What was the rest of your/their comp?
Akali, Fiddle, Sion, Yasuo, and Janna (our team) vs. Kayle, Zed, Viktor, Cait, and Milio (their team)
spice glen
how well did the match go overall
fallen notch
Fine, I guess? I’m fully willing to admit Fiddle and Akali did a lot of the heavy lifting
spice glen
oh I was mostly asking if like your team was pretty even or if someone pulled ahead hard
fallen notch
Fiddle and Akali stomped pretty hard by the end of it, can’t tell how bot went by looking at postgame, I was just kinda There
spice glen
hey you helped atleast.
fallen notch
Which I think might just be how Sion goes, I imagine he’s a little hard to actually kill people with if they’re not wearing a bag over their head
I like him but he’s definitely not super interactive lmao
spice glen
he's also a little hard to kill too
fallen notch
I had another game with him today vs Leblanc, and she was on a bit of a tear but I think most of her lead came from botched jungle plays since I know a lot of my issue was Twitch
So 🤷♀️
spice glen
was that a win or loss?
fallen notch
This one was a loss, I think only Akali won lane, I went even, bot and jg got rolled
So it goes
spice glen
Well if you did your best in the match, then that's all that matters
woeful shuttle
Which I think might just be how Sion goes, I imagine he’s a little hard to actua...
unless you're rolling full lethality sion is generally more frontline than anything else
rustic osprey
my R no longe woks so I have to shift ult no on 1
raw leaf
this concept art for briars skin is fun
jovial stratus
Getting the hang of viego means getting a hang of Most Champs is the fucked part
rain girder
I've been playing long enough that I kinda get it, honestly
any time I got to hijack skarner was a treat because I onetricked Skarner for a while
And being able to play around it felt good
"I know the path a Skarner wants to take for the easiest clear. Ward that. Take the spire beforehand so he can't get it for a little bit. Plan to contest near dragon. Ping bot to engage the fight near the spire. They moved? Great. Kill Skarner, reap benefits of spire after I kill them, get a stun off, Viego ult out, triple kill."
bot lane pulled up for that, too, they were DOWN
rustic osprey
ohh that game would have been juicy for iceborne viego aswell
rain girder
It was overall a very juicy game for Viego
most everyone except Zed had some sort of CC to help me catch up after I killed them.
and Zed I could just... use to kill them
Or get them in ult kill range
rustic osprey
violet hollow
almost 1 mln views in 1 hour
seems ppl enjoyed it
rain girder
Not pictured: The fully built Youmuus and Boots in my gold value because I was greeding for a big back
We love an FF15
lilac bridge
okay heartsteel is a very good name for a boy band
open siren
I will admit it took me a while to realize who they all were
Sett being the one I recognized immediately because of their shoulder fluffies
rain girder
I literally didn't recognize Aphelios at all
open siren
Saaaaame
rain girder
and could VAGUELY make out Ezreal before he used trueshot
Same with Yone
Only vague recognition
open siren
Nah I did not get Ez until trueshot. To be fair I tend not to play too many of the flashy anime boy characters.
Cause they're assassins or DPS
rain girder
The only character on that list that I play in any capacity is Ezreal
my void babies get no love
put Kha'zix in the boy band pls
open siren
Bug band
open siren
Boyband Zac
rain girder
a band made up of all the non-human characters
open siren
The Monster Mashup
rain girder
Kha'zix, Zac, Rek'Sai, Fiddlesticks(Who got some Star Guardian stuff at least)...
open siren
Cho'Gath as a giant bass-boosted monster creature that carries speakers around on their shoulders.
The scream being just a giant feedback screech
spice glen
Nah, just call them Cosmic Drive, and it's just a bunch of lofi chill music stuff.
open siren
I do love Space Groove Ornn
rain girder
Nocturne as a DJ with record discs as his knives
spice glen
Cho'gath but as a rapper who ..ahem spits fire.
rain girder
hour and a half video essay on Neace, don't mind if I dimma-do
I don't really like content showing Tarzaned too positively but seeing him rail on Neace is a treat
rustic osprey
Sett being the one I recognized immediately because of their shoulder fluffies
Sert being literally just sett
Yone was very obvious to me
open siren
please, there's no way Draven's a top
sinful orbit
The scream being just a giant feedback screech
That's literally Battlecast Cho
rustic osprey
please, there's no way Draven's a top
no they were hovering it
against an immobile tank it could work tbh...maaaaaaaaaaaayyybeee
abstract rune
ADCs taken toplane usually do okay by virtue of just, Having Range over the opponent, though are an easy target for ganks and lacking a bruiser or tank lategame stings a good bit
It's mostly just annoying for everybody involved
spice glen
a balanced team do tend to do solidly okay. Weird gimmick builds or set ups or teams that aren't "normal" but rely on being ahead to win, don't do so well.
abstract rune
Man Orrn is just so damn fun
He and Nautilus are my favorite unkillable boulders of CC
They keep nerfing him in Wild Rift and it refuses to stick
Oh, huh, Janna got a mini-rework without me noticing
passive is now just a 5% MS buff to allies nearby
her Q now has a fixed windup time, but can be cast with stacking charges up to 2
her W has no passive, but gives a huge MS boost on use and will haste or damage three nearest allies/enemies
E now shields herself and the lowest-health ally
Ult is not a channel anymore, she can move freely after putting it down
abstract rune
You are the villain of my story
rustic osprey
I was a Tank Viktor top player after all
abstract rune
I only play good honest toplaners, like
checks notes
Singed and Graves
rustic osprey
;-;
abstract rune
Those two and Orrn are my toplane staples, but sometimes I pull out Sett or Shen
Wonder if I should try n' learn Kennen again
abstract rune
Viktor ain't in WR so I've got no experience with em
rustic osprey
nod nod
abstract rune
Been picking up PC league a little but not a ton
Illaoi is fun, though
rustic osprey
I need to start vary my champ pool again cause I am playing very samey atm
rustic osprey
Been picking up PC league a little but not a ton
Illaoi is fun, though
Ila is fun but to coin flippy for me
spice glen
she's a late game scaler (as long as you don't have any True % HP monsters like vayne)
abstract rune
I play enough tanks to know that Vayne is my eternal foe
spice glen
Vayne really is "You have some armour and HP over 3k? Perish."
abstract rune
My midlane is mostly Ziggs with a bit of Vex and Galio, tryin to pick up folks like Zed and Ahri
abstract rune
Vayne really is "You have some armour and HP over 3k? Perish."
There Is No Durability, Die
sinful orbit
As someone who plays Olaf and Urgot, I think more people should play immobile ADCs top
They're not easy to run down at all
abstract rune
Hahah
Only ADC I'm any good at is Jhin for some reason
well, and twitch, but I prefer taking him jungle
fallen notch
I constantly want to try new and kinda wonky picks mid which mostly means playing top laners atm, but my most played overall is almost certainly still Neeko
Non-committal lane bully who gets half your HP bar if you can’t count minions
abstract rune
lesbian jumpscare
fallen notch
I should probably try more mage junglers, I think I’d like Fiddle and I already generally like Morg and Neeko
silver heath
Fiddlesticks is pretty weird but is a jungler
abstract rune
The WR new champ lineup for this patch is Fiddles, Sivir, and Zyra
rustic kite
please, there's no way Draven's a top
Imagining this as a WattPad comment
abstract rune
lmao
rustic osprey
The next patch for PC league is seeing zyra and brand jungle buffs
abstract rune
brand jungle? 🤔
rustic osprey
its a/was thing
abstract rune
i mean i guess his clear would be solid
rustic osprey
morg is already viable
rustic osprey
I should probably try more mage junglers, I think I’d like Fiddle and I already ...
diana, ekko, gragas
abstract rune
brand ganks just sound a bit tricky
rustic osprey
they are. prob is a crystal scepter first buy
abstract rune
Gragas and Ekko are fun, wish I was better at em
abstract rune
I am more of an Ekko over Diana
abstract rune
I play kinda anywhere, though I haven't done support in a long while
toxic cargo
I play Akshan, Camille, Aattrox, and Gwen top
rustic osprey
one of em is not like the others lmao
toxic cargo
And I used to play Shyv top extensively
Problem is that when Shyv top has 50% winrate, shyv jungle has 55
rain girder
please, there's no way Draven's a top
I definitely see Draven as more of a power-bottom
rain girder
my buggy boi
rustic osprey
yomus over dusk or eclipse?
open siren
I pretty much just aram lately since I don't have anyone to play with and I am always the tank
And people yell at me for dying when I have to engage hard
fallen notch
Sion bot you say 👀
fallen notch
how does one build + runes for Morg, Neeko, and Teemo jungle? I assume Morg is the same as always except you level W first
rustic osprey
TBH just like you build em normally. Mythic for jungle neeko is harvester or rocketbelt
If you don't start wolves/raptors I think neeko also wants to start w
silver heath
Hell yeah looking forward to lol as it was meant to be: sans flash
rain girder
Preciselyt
Really I'm just tired of Exhaust
Just a "What if we said fuck you in general" button
(Also I would enjoy a League without flash personally, but that's just me)
spice glen
I want to keep exhaust because of that "who the fuck said you could get away, or kill me, or exist."
rain girder
See, as an assassin main, I do not care for Exhaust
But I'm fickle enough to like it when I'm an ADC
Except when it is used against me
spice glen
You have to accept that if you use it, or have it used against you it's funny
someone considered you such a threat to just slow you down and lower your damage.
(or in my case I do it to be annoying)
rain girder
I find it just really boring in general, used or not used by me, tbh
I use it because it has worth when I'm in certain roles but I'd be fine with it being gone
As well as flash
(My opinion at large is that the game is far too safe atm, people don't get punished nearly enough for their mistakes)
But I am also biased
spice glen
I find it the opposite, the game snow balls pretty damn fast.
there's no neck and neck game, there's always just a snow ball lead unless a team baffles an endgame play
rain girder
We're playing very different matches lol
spice glen
also if flash were gone, then people woudl run ghost more often.
which is honestly worst when you see someone just wiggle their butt away
rain girder
My matches are always like "Man, I'm gonna gank this adc and they're going to- ope. They're gone." "Okay, Lux went way too far ahead in this teamfight, I'm gonna pick her off-oh."
Everyone has their oh-shit button on tap
spice glen
all that sounds like people recognise you as the threat.
rain girder
I mean yeah, I play stealth assassins, they should, they should also not see me coming lmao, and I'm pretty good at that, I like to think
But like, I ganked a Kai'sa who was solo pushing while blitz shoved topside
and she just... kinda got to flash-E and leave? Despite my stealth + jump?
And yeah I burned her flash but she was in a garbage position and only had to use a summoenr
rain girder
and I'm just sitting here on 3 items while she's at 2 and confused as to why that didn't work out more in my favor despite everything lining up for me
spice glen
can only assume bad execution.
if she got away and it was all in your favour
...then I dunno what to say!
rain girder
See but that's the thing, that's just kinda how it feels 90% of the time, it feels like every champion in the game has their safety tools and thus can make awful positioning mistakes with little consequence
Like I ain't perfect but I'm pretty good at the bug
I've learned to just try and keep track of it or predict it where I can
spice glen
Having the tools and using them to get away, means that they used them probably right
rain girder
I mean yeah, they used them, but after making enough mistakes I feel like perhaps that shouldn't be enough to save you
And sometimes they do get punished, don't get me wrong
spice glen
if they were several levels behind, or something
sure
being behind 2-3 levels then hell yeah you should have borderline chunked her existance.
but sometimes in league you can..just get away from your mistakes because the other person just chokes enough
rain girder
Yeah, even I benefit from that sometimes, too
A clutch stealth and some juking goes a long way
and sometimes I'll steal a play that I had no right doing
spice glen
yeah, it's just how they managed to wiggle waggle away from you, and what you did in response to the wiggle waggling.
rain girder
But it really just feels to me like the game has too many safety nets. Stuff like flash, the various mobility moves that more champs seem to have with every release, some runes can absolutely make a major difference and help you survive situations you might otherwise not, and there's a level of skill to using them for sure
spice glen
because if I'm right, kha'zix has more tools to prevent people getting away, right?
rain girder
But largely speaking it doesn't seem like people get very punished for being made to use them
Kha has a slow on his passive, a leap to follow, and his evolved W can slow as well
Conventional wisdom dictates that you hold gap closer for theirs and shoot for ult passive resets for maximum slow
And usually, y'know, that works out for me
spice glen
I dunno what to tell you, they got away with less tools to run away.
You both had flash, and she only had the movement speed increase.
rain girder
But it's the most audacious mistakes that people seem to survive
spice glen
then you should try to make sure that you deliver on the maximum punish.
if they are making a big mistake, that doesn't mean they can't get out of it
now if we had dota's turning speed thing, sure but then I imagine it would play out somewhat the same
I'm surprised you didn't save the replay and just tried to see how or why they managed to get away.
rain girder
Well, this game was ages ago and I wasn't too concerned about it at the time, the situation just came to my brain
spice glen
oh, fair I guess, but still if there's ever a point of "How did that not go in my favour?" You should just check and break it down.
edgy trout
I like exhaust
But I like anything that makes adcs and assassin's stuck in place
Because I play artillery mages
And as such really don't like assassin's
And also it's really easy to bait assassin junglers into dives and then punish them
fallen notch
Another thing about having no flash is that I think some champs would become much harder to make plays with. E.g. I think Annie would go from being an okay pick to a bit of a nightmare because good luck getting close enough to hit your stuns in a teamfight without getting deleted
This is already sort of the case but flash alleviates it
I think Alistar would be similar but not as bad because he can still frontline if his engage suddenly becomes much worse
edgy trout
I think removing flash makes some champs slightly less good but not while making others completely trash
I think a much bigger problem is just the increasing amount of mobility in champions over time
spice glen
It's also a reflection that the average player is just getting better and more responsive
silver heath
Removing flash would be bad
rustic osprey
yep
woeful shuttle
juggernauts in shambles
rustic kite
Juggs would do alright on ghost/exhaust if flash didn’t exist
But here’s the hard question: What do you do if you want flash to still exist but be less dominant a choice?
woeful shuttle
don't let it wallhop
spice glen
everytime you cast it, your character suddenly gets slapped with cheese on the face
lilac bridge
But here’s the hard question: What do you do if you want flash to still exist bu...
don't let it be castable in combat
silver heath
But here’s the hard question: What do you do if you want flash to still exist bu...
halve the range again
still can juke skillshots and such but loses many wallhops and creates less safety
rustic osprey
The problem is some champs would be so fucking rough without flash. Having no flash as a control mage mid is a semi death sentence for early game through perma ganking etc
toxic cargo
Flash is so ingrained into the game you'd have to rework, like, the entire cast
open siren
There is a jungler/support, Invern. I love them. They do almost no damage, shield people, and do not even attack jungle monsters but ask them nicely to leave. The reason they are a jungler and can gank people is because they have a long range root that gets anyone who clicks the hit target to zoom into attack range. This single root is enough to fuck up most people because they can't flash and the enemy is on them.
open siren
I luv him. I have the candy King skin
fallen notch
Briar mid is a character with no design flaws smile
spent the entire game even farm and poking her out but it doesn't matter because she out-sustains my burst even with GW
She lands her ult, I flash away, she dashes, I use Ez blink, she dashes again, and walks out from under my tower with a kill and most of her health back
spice glen
GW is super weak in this meta right now, I hate it.
silver heath
who are you playing?
fallen notch
It doesn't help that, as always, I'll live to see the heat death of the universe before my jungler visits my lane
Ez
silver heath
That's probably just how that mu goes
ez struggles a lot vs fighters and assassins and fightery assassins
fallen notch
looking at the stats and she healed more damage than I did in the entire game; 14.5k healed vs. my 12k done pretty much exclusively to her
and I'm top damage between both teams
It took me a bit to get GW but still dude
I'm hitting First Strike W + E basically on cooldown and it just doesn't matter
at least Cho and Swain have to land non-targeted abilities to ruin my day
silver heath
Ezreal doesn't have very good options vs anyone vaguely bursty who can stick to him
It's part of why he's usually played bot
(Diana and Naafiri are similarly very bad MUs)
rustic kite
His burst also isn’t as strong as most mages so can’t deal with sustain champs as well
woeful shuttle
yeah ez just....isn't a strong pick mid
he doesn't have the sustained damage and he is very squishy
rustic osprey
Also briars whole thing is kinda sustain. You ain't winning a poke war vs things like her or vlad/ww etc
sinful orbit
Yeah I mean sustain beats poke beats all in right
lilac bridge
what the fuck?
you're not gonna be able to change your name with blue essence anymore??
what the fuck is the point of it then
raw leaf
i save it up for champions lol
lilac bridge
i guess.
silver heath
essence emporium is nice
sinful orbit
I never thought name changes were the primary point of BE
lilac bridge
yeah but like. once you get everyone. that's al lthey're really used for
essence emporium only comes once a year
silver heath
Once you buy every champion you've completed the primary purpose of BE
spice glen
yeah you won't be able to change your name as your current league name is gonna be tied to your riot account thing.
so now it's your unique (I think) identifier
sinful orbit
You can change your name for free once a year
rain girder
Timestamped: Neeko takes half damage from turrets when she is a cannon minion
A Level 1 Neeko disguised as a cannon minion can take 8 turret shots
lilac bridge
You can change your name for free once a year
yeah but like. still.
my point is there's no real regular outlet for BE later on now
sinful orbit
Yeah, basically by design
The point of BE is to buy champions, like Cyan said. Once you own all the champions, you have completed the use of the progression currency
Name changes weren't really supposed to be a BE outlet, BE was the limiting mechanic for name changes
woeful shuttle
also realistically you stockpile it for the emporium
rustic kite
Unless you liked funny comedy names more than emotes or a skin for a champ you prolly don't play
rain girder
Man, I wish Death's Dance didn't cause you to shimmer on Kha'zix
The stats and effect are decent enough and situationally useful for Kha but
rain girder
Hopping back into Ranked again, having some good games so far
She says, the enemy DCing in her immediate next game
spice glen
Apparently Xbox says that league of legends takes 1700 hours to beat.
Which if you assume 30 minutes, it takes 3400 games.
rain girder
Hmm... wonder how I can tell how many I've played
rustic osprey
i mean after normal/aram you see the number for those
rain girder
Only for the current season, and your stats only show the past few
I wanna know of ALL TIME
silver heath
isn't it redundant to say that about dravens
rain girder
||Gen G going for a reverse sweep, let's fuckin go???|| Spoilered for Worlds content
Chovy, locking in Akali:
||SILVER SCRAAAAAAAAAAAAAPES||
sinful orbit
I wanna know of ALL TIME
You can get stats but only back to like Season 7
rain girder
Okay so
This Sion is a god
He took a jungle item and did nothing but invade Nocturne
solo-killing him several times
and I was clearing my jungle all game
Nocturne just couldn't play
spice glen
Ah double jungle tactic, rare but always funny when it happens
rustic kite
The Tilterella trademark
spice glen
so wait I spent some time thinking about the upcoming name changes to accounts and riot id's
Is this even a good thing?
silver heath
The current id system sucks so probably
fallen notch
relatedly, it’s kinda unfortunate how effective AP Malph is because I know I won’t get away with it forever surely
woeful shuttle
I like these changes
rustic osprey
I am a bit mad. we 3 man invaded shaco at red, got FB and they then insta RQ and the enemy could early FF and we dont get any LP
would have been the most free LP
sinful orbit
I am a bit mad. we 3 man invaded shaco at red, got FB and they then insta RQ and...
I still dislike that you lose RP for remaking but you get nothing on the other side
rain girder
New patch dropped
I can finally change my in-client language easily and without a redownload
Nevermind, it's just for the Riot Client
abstract rune
Oh shnap
raw leaf
very normal briar gaming lol
raw leaf
rustic osprey
My sneaky recommendation is overheal instead of triumph
raw leaf
thats def good for her
just the triumph ends up letting me sustain through a fight
cuz ultimately i tend to get bursted so overshield doesnt benefit me as much as id like
rustic osprey
That's fair. I like to do e start and then start jung with a shield buffer
rustic osprey
I mean it's briar so you always gud
raw leaf
lol yeah
rustic osprey
I need to play her more again but I am semi frustrated with her w since you can get pull kited nastily esp early ganks
rustic osprey
Also it's a nightmare when you accidentally hit Champs with ults or they dash into them to pull you into towers
raw leaf
mm mm
rustic osprey
But she is fun
raw leaf
i feel i rarely use it at like angles where that happes
cuz im always floating in river so its a pure horizontal more or less
rustic osprey
I never do those. My main angles are pseudo lane ganks
Where you ult from the t2 direction into the lane
raw leaf
mm mm
i ironically rarely do that
in part due to fear of hitting someone still walking into lane lol
rustic osprey
It gives you usually more playroom to hit as you shoot into lane direction and people expect it less
raw leaf
fair i spose
rustic osprey
But I do be hitting those stray people XD
raw leaf
lol
raw leaf
ngl irelia is fun
rain girder
I find myself very amused at this guy
A Warcraft 3 pro dipping his toes into MOBAs with HOTS and now poking into League
woeful shuttle
I miss HOTS
rain girder
Agreed
rain girder
What a fucking game man
Irelia wound up almost unkillable
Twitch was melting people
and my team just kinda said "fuck grouping"
spice glen
was the match a loss
raw leaf
yeah
rain girder
tfw you get informed that your report was successful and someone got penalized
feelsgoodman.jpg
edgy trout
rustic kite
Should I ask about the additional u in "HUDu"?
fallen notch
can't play him all the time or it gets boring but a good Ziggs game just kinda hits
free laning phase because your Qs come from the next county over and mana items mean that eventually you just get to put people in a bullet hell with them. Statistically if I throw enough of these I will poke you out of lane eventually
abstract rune
I main Ziggs in WR, he's a great time
fallen notch
Two games into Azir and I’m thinking maybe the path of least resistance is good actually
high execution and his payoff seems questionable
toxic cargo
Yeah, but that's like, the issue of league
Do you just want to win or do you want to win in a stylish way
Because both Garen and Riven are supposed to have same 50% winrate as a champion
Well, more or less
You can flip your brain off and play Garen or you can spend 120 hours in practice mode
The choice is yours
woeful shuttle
azir is one of the champs that can't be let out of soloQ jail because every time he escapes it wrecks pro play for a season
like how riven is stuck in numbers jail
woeful shuttle
Because both Garen and Riven are supposed to have same 50% winrate as a champion
ehh it's a bit more complicated than that
toxic cargo
Yeah, yeah, Gankplank with 50% winrate means GP is bullshit op
woeful shuttle
riven is supposed to be >50% as skill rises the issue is that riven's kit is kinda unhealthy from a "how exactly is the enemy laner supposed to play the game" perspective
since she has so much agency in lane
toxic cargo
I don't care honestly
I'll be forever mad about malphite
Can we put him in jail
Thanks
rain girder
Ignore the clickbait-y title
I fucking love Nathan Mott
He has such a positive view on the game which is very refreshing
Miles apart from the "Oh, I play league of legends." "Oh, I'm sorry." mentality, he really tries to make sure that people are enjoying the game
and make sure that he's hyping things up and showing people the BEST of the game rather than fixating on the worst of it
Excellent jungle coaching, too
woeful shuttle
HERE WE GO AGAIIIIIIIIIIIN
abstract rune
edgy trout
Lmao what
spice glen
so would you have to pre-choose in another mode then have them carry over?
spice glen
well then
rain girder
This is the quickplay screen
It went immediately int othis
No choice of runes or summs
just
bam
Okay apparently there IS an option I missed somewhere
spice glen
where even is the option
spice glen
oh yeah that needs to take up more room
rain girder
I do have to wonder about its matchmaking
I got matched up against someone who straight up didn't understand why last-hitting was a thing, and didn't know what half of the champions did
spice glen
It's probably got new match making.
rain girder
So I'm like "Did they really match me, who has played for nearly a decade, against a newbie?"
spice glen
or was reset or something.
rain girder
Yeah
spice glen
hold on, some deep inner memory just unlocked and I got to rant/seriously ask for clarification about league's matchmaking for normal and ranked.
two friends said that losers queue and winners queue exist, and that league makes matches you're meant to lose, so as to keep you playing and "gambling" your matches, since when you are on a lose streak, but win a few times, you got hooked.
But I counter with "that's how they match make players since it's performance based match making."
am I the insane one or are they?
rain girder
So, the real reason, iirc, is anti-smurfing
People who win too much because they're smurfing get put in smurf queue
abstract rune
it's still performance based matchmaking
but if you're on a hotstreak then yeah they put you against everybody else on a hotstreak
iirc players who are struggling might get paired with better players and worse-performing teams, or vice versa
rain girder
Yeah, the goal is that people should be winning and losing within a certain range
And if things are going TOO well then they assume you're like, a smurf
spice glen
They genuinely have- I mean yeah the smurf thing is ...a fair point. But they genuinely have that in the system and it's not just a weird community cope fact?
rain girder
It is true yes
abstract rune
Tis indeed
not that people Don't use it as a cope fact
but it's how the system works
spice glen
Why does this make a blood vessel in my head want to pop.
abstract rune
I... don't really know?
spice glen
I know why, it's because when I am playing a game and expecting a competitive system, I expect it to be very true to blue.
But then I Remember that smurfing and multiple accounts are a thing and that makes me cry
spice glen
like a gold pingpong player somehow going down to pingpong against iron pingpong players would be so unacceptable unless it's like a fun match thing.
abstract rune
Hence why the game tries to block smurfing a bit, yeah
spice glen
okay wait hold on, so they have the smurf queue, or the hotstreak queue I'll call it, which is a thing.
But it's not to keep you on like playing to make them money because realistically the people who paly the game are not really ideal customers because they use the servers, while those who hop on, buy a skin then maybe play a game or two then leave is an iddeal customer
sorry this next point is me remembering the friends said that Riot made money off players playing the game and winning and losing and the gambling aspect of playing the game, and that part makes no sense.
actually gonna stop thinking about this, else I'm gonna bust into their discord call and say some real serious shit
woeful shuttle
okay wait hold on, so they have the smurf queue, or the hotstreak queue I'll cal...
the reason why smurf queue exists to to try to isolate smurfs from the rest of the playerbase
since-oh sorry my bad didn't see your message
spice glen
it makes sense. After a sleep and brooding. Just gotta come up with a way to explain to them that they are not smurfs and therefore can't use that as a coping mechanism for being shit like me.
toxic cargo
The matchmaking is designed around
1)skill
2)winrate
3)winstreaks
Even if you have, let's say, a 57% winrate in plat, but you're for example 5 wins in, you have a probability to get players who are...well...not good
raw axle
hold on, some deep inner memory just unlocked and I got to rant/seriously ask fo...
This is actually an ancient argument
Basically since the incarnation of MMR
I remember when for a long while the Overwatch forums were just constantly people complaining about the "forced 50/50"
A bunch of call of duty streamers a few years ago also used a similar term and pleaded with the devs to turn off MMR
It's a dumb argument but these people have been screaming into the void since Halo 3
spice glen
in my case I just don't want the smurfs to smurf.
I'm low silver iron (probably more central silver now since they added emerald) and I want my match to be 10 people who genuinely are about the same-ish skill level give or take.
I dun want some minion screaming about "Losing Queue" or whatever
woeful shuttle
A bunch of call of duty streamers a few years ago also used a similar term and p...
yeah it's really funny to watch people ask for games that are stacked in their favor
fallen notch
I’m not above admitting the 2 losses 1 win formula I’ve heard of helps me cope
Not that I can’t improve, obv, but it’s also nice to have some legitimacy backing the fact that often it’s just out of your hands
silver heath
I think the majority of LoL games are out of one's hands
A certain number of games just become "oh our/their solo laner got 9 kills in 15 minutes, cool"
fallen notch
I agree, but also it sounds like copium when I get cranky with my teammates for losing hard even if that’s legitimately the problem
It’s a fine line I guess
silver heath
yeah but its just legit
raw leaf
I feel like half my games I have to get ahead enough to carry or we lose lol
Also as a long time jg main whenever I don't jg the jungler almost always ends up making me wanna die on the inside lol
spice glen
what was the weird % split down for league matches? was it 60/20/20?
silver heath
I've seen 80/10/10
but also that yeah
I don't think a specific number is right
But the gist of it is true imo
spice glen
Frankly I Wanna say it's 40/30/30 now with how the game is.
40% your own performance, 30% you get carried, 30% you get stomped
matches seem way more snowbally in general now
silver heath
Oh no the general meaning for that is that 80% of the time the game was not in your control win or lose
And the last 20% of the time it was up to you
spice glen
Oh, I had it the other way.
raw axle
Just the nature of a team game
You might get normal people or you might get creatures that have escaped from some sort of institution
spice glen
in a good or bad way
raw axle
There are some times when I'm in a game and I assess it for a bit and feel relieved at just, hey, I did what I could
Nothing more I could fix this train wreck
I don't control whether the jungler and top lane get into an argument and both decide to throw the match
rustic kite
The 80 "not you" 20 "it's you" kinda operates on the principle that there's 5 people on your team and you're only the tipping point 20% of the time
But really you can carry or feed so hard you distort other lanes before lane phase is even over
But in a typical game in the appropriate MMR for your skill, that shouldn't usually happen
stray mason
raw leaf
new baron model?
oh weird new shit with all the void creatures
i do find it funny that all these changes are mostly around jg lol
sinful orbit
Oh no the general meaning for that is that 80% of the time the game was not in y...
Yeah my rule of thumb is 40% stomp, 20% affectable, 40% get stomped
So you can get yourself as high as 60%
rustic kite
Damn, even the hair flop and a choker
That twink is gonna get obliterated on twitter
abstract rune
This guy is cool, I'm into it
Fully embracing the champion being way complex is a good route
toxic cargo
2 patches and this guy will be midlane's Riven
lilac bridge
https://youtu.be/oBpZb7Y496o?si=5EXKhZQxYYrctxK-
they're remodeling baron AGAIN?
lilac bridge
https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/event/hwei-abilities-rundown/
oh my god it's fucking invoker
ripe loom
New League Femboy
LETS GOOOOOO
silver heath
He seems cool
I hope he lands better than some of the recent "complex on purpose" champs
spice glen
I can't wait for viego to kill him, and then break the game again.
woeful shuttle
yeah there's no way in hell this character is left playable
though I said the same about aphelios
rain girder
Hwei seems really fun
silver heath
I think him being totally immobile* will make him relatively balanceable
*Not counting the one spell which works as an AoE ally speed up
Curious if you can play him support
Jhin/Hwei is like... a ship bait tier lane
rain girder
I could see support Hwei being alright
Spells like a burst mage but utility like an enchanter with W spells
fallen notch
I have to read what he does because I’ve been on a support/jungle mage kick recently, Zyra jungle surprisingly fun
silver heath
I have to read what he does because I’ve been on a support/jungle mage kick rece...
He does a LOT
He has 10 spells
QQ, QW, QE (damage centric spells)
WQ, WW, WE, (support centric spells)
EQ, EW, EE (control centric spells)
R (big AoE execute)
Passive makes AoE explosions on enemy champs struck by multiple spells
rain girder
enemy: "report malphite"
me: "what did he do?"
enemy: "n word"
some things never change
rustic kite
Someone said Riot is designing him for mid/support but if one role has to be nerfed out of viability they want him to stay mid
raw leaf
vex is fun
i like that she has like a pretty clear combo route that works well with red runes and etc
its more like combo damage then just lots of sorta poke poke poke
abstract rune
Vex does big damage yeah
rain girder
Vex does well against the mobile champs that Mid can attract, which makes me very happy.
abstract rune
A mobility-punishing mage is a really cool thing for her to be yeah
raw leaf
shes like an assasin mage
sorta
like she goes from not wanting to be close to wanting to be close on a coin
abstract rune
Her ult lets her do assassin shit but otherwise she's comboing from the back
raw leaf
well also w to an extent
abstract rune
Personal Space is a funny ability because it's a combo filler, but it also lets you do what the name implies if your passive is ready
get jumped? just say no
raw leaf
lol yeah
i level second after q
which idk if thats the way to go but its what i currently do lol
rain girder
Q > E > W was always my go-to when I played her
Also goddamn
Fuckin' ||Weibo getting annihilated.|| Worlds spoilers
raw leaf
it seems its common to do q then w from what i can tell so i gravitated to the average choice lol
rain girder
There were a few times it looked like ||they'd turn it around after the first game but jfc||
spice glen
fallen notch
just had a 40.0 KDA game on Lux supp in a game with 48 kills our side
feels like I’m kinda nutty with it
rain girder
spice glen
Perma banned? double...negative?
Either way, if you're gonna be perma banned, maybe reconsider how you play.
pulls up another account.
good lord, this is a big ol' issue I have.
toxic cargo
pulls up another account.
good lord, this is a big ol' issue I have.
He'll we unbanned in a week anyway
spice glen
they should just keep him banned, if he keeps being banned
toxic cargo
Too popular
rain girder
Yeah he's unfortunately very popular, brings folks in with his silly builds and inting playstyle
spice glen
Tsk. This is the same guy that gave me a very stressful time during league when his inting sion thing was considered "mathematically correct"
rain girder
Yep. Baus loves to come up with strategies where he throws his face at the opponent repeatedly.
Which, mind you, in the hands of the right person, IS effective
But most solo q andies are not, in fact, the right people.
spice glen
Yeah, which is why it's stressful.
People think they are the nextbaus when..no you're just chcknft44
rain girder
Same with anyone doing dumbshit builds. A streamer gets known for doing something memey and then people try it, but they try it in ranked
It's how you get stuff like Roaming Teemo or any of RATIRL's builds, Inting Sion, Inting volibear, etc
spice glen
RATIRL? oh wait...twitch player aren't they?
Yeah meme builds can work if someone does't know how to deal with it, but...if it's a strat that gets popularised then uh it starts being able to be dealt with.
spice glen
Oh that bugger did that? that player must be a real coward to go ap twitch.