#Armored Core General!
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Doomed by the narrative
True
In the first two endings, you are forced to kill someone who cares about you, but in the third, an unfeeling AI just kills Walter and Carla offscreen and acts like it’s a courtesy.
It’s definitely wild playing this game multiple times and knowing all the plot twists about ALLMIND. Definitely one of the games I wish I could experience again for the first time.
Crazier when you end up finding all the AM controlled MTs and mechs hidden throughout most stages
Absolutely, even from the very beginning
Tbh I don't know if there's a fan depiction of Ayre that can top the in-game "bunch of squiggly red lines" one for me. It's very good visual shorthand for "this entity has no body as we would understand it"
Reminds me that the Armored Core episode of Secret Level was supposed to be explicitly about Fires of Rubicon but they scrapped that script.
Ayre’s VA is in it as the voice in the pilot’s head
But Keanu Reeves was supposed to be 621 and Walter would have been there too
I think From liked the idea of having a literally faceless and silenced protagonist more
Yeah, I'm okay with not having a 'canon' 621
I think we do
Let players form their own image of the player character
We have some information you can infer from, but I think a lot of gaps have been left intentionally
Although most of what we can gather about 621 comes from other characters speaking to and about them since they don't have a voice of their own
I thought that was just a coincidence because ACs are just good conduits of Coral.
What I think is really fucked up is how all of the faces that 621 sees in the archived drawings are censored out
Which makes me think that 621 has some kind of anti-facial recognition in their augmentation
Either that or their augments could be kinda screwed up from age
Since they're still a 4th Gen Coral augmented human
I think O'Keeffe's log states how detrimental Coral augmentation can be too
Makes sense.
We do have canon appearances for a lot of the characters in the game thanks to the sketches you can find
In the game trailer, we know that Walter uses a cane, but that’s about it for him
And if you want to be really pedantic, the Raven whose license we steal is played by Karl Urban in one of the promos for the game
I'll allow it because it's Karl Urban
It’s fun to try and translate Lancer mechs into Armored Core (not so much the other way), since the design language translates pretty well.
Balam = HA
Arquebus = SSC
RaD = IPS-N
Institute = Horus
I feel like HA is if Balam managed to take PCA tech instead of Arquebus
Also, any ideas for alternative weapons for this?
I like having missiles with a slight delay so I can throw them out while I charge up my Moonlight
I also wanna keep my EN Efficiency above the 4300 threshold so I can have some decent recharge speed
Finding that the Ransetsu AR and RF pair really well together actually
Especially on the Basho arms
Although the AR seems very limited in terms of ammo
Trying out other stuff and I think I'm just gonna stick with what I had here since it synergizes really well with the Moonlight's charged attack
And the hand split missile has no recoil either
What should I name this thing anyways?
Interesting mix of AC parts. And I usually keep my missiles on my shoulders, but you do you
Doesn't seem to be a very hard hitting build in terms of weaponry aside from the Moonlight. Are you focusing on just building up stagger?
More or less
I tried minmaxxing as much as possible for the Moonlight
Got some fun combos with the split missile and Aurora too
Well, managed to beat Branch without OS Tuning. Had to bust out the braindead unga-bunga tank build to do it, but I managed to bulldoze 'em.
I used Moonlight in this build that I made for an oc of mine. It’s so fun to play. Moonlight followed up with a Javelin shot for instant stagger with minimal cooldown between attacks
Noice
Branch will legit give you trouble if you’re fighting with an untuned AC. King and Chartreuse alone hit like a pair of trucks. Never mind if you’ve got such a skill issue you end up getting smacked by the triple threat
Yeeeeah
My preference is to alpha strike Chartreuse and just come fast and hard enough to take her down before she can properly react, much less be rescued by King
Hm
I imagine that’s a bit trickier untuned though
No boost kick is a game changer in the worst possible way
There's a joke I wanna make in regards to this

Jokes aside, I actually never thought to try playing without OS tuning
I'm not sure I can survive without boost kicks tbh
Or without weapon bays
No OS tuning is a popular challenge run
I can't recall if people still use the utility ones, though? It might depend
I decided to go for King first, and blitzed him down before going for Chartreuse. Was probably about halfway through her when Nightfall showed up.
King is usually easier ime, especially if your build has low vert mobility
wow, I do not have the same experience. king always feels way tankier to me than Chartreuse just because of his play-it-safe shield build
i usually have no trouble pushing his shit in with aggresive builds which is what i mostly play, Chartreuse on the other hand is a bitch because of how many heavy weapons i have to dodge whilst trying to chase her down
Dual stun needles and a laser lance are all I need to take out Branch
But I usually take out Chartreuse first
ah see that's exactly the reason I go after Chartreuse first - alpha strike her while she's distracted with MTs at the beginning and you can often take her out or at least take off a massive chunk of her hp before she gets a chance to be chased or deploy any of those weapons properly
I mean, you don't get much lower vert movement than being a braindead moron blaring tactical eurobeats in a tank AC while holding down the trigger of twin gatlings and charging twin Laser Cannons on a VE-20C.
Chartreuse is closer to me when I assault boost in, the rest is vibes. I do not know what's wrong with my overthinking ass as soon as I try and plan I start fucking up so this is how I do it.
I mean, that's the beauty of vibin' in an AC game. Just turn your brain off, and the Raven/Lynx in your soul already knows how best to leverage your build against whatever poor saps your tasked with eliminating.
Honestly, that's the mark of a great build, one that you can just pilot naturally
I still try to push myself out of my comfort zone so I can do more
The Moonlight/Javelin build that I posted earlier is the one that feels really natural for me
This one so far is the most natural to me
Noice
Here’s me in my fave build against the CEL 240
https://youtu.be/5_yqwSnEseI?si=SiRncL-iSAeAf1t5
#armoredcore
AC Name: YUKI NO KATA
R-Arm Unit: 44-141 JVLN ALPHA
L-Arm Unit: IA-C01W2: MOONLIGHT
R-Back Unit: DF-GA-09 SHAO-WEI
L-Back Unit: BML-G2/P03MLT-06
Head: VP-44D
Core: VP-40S
Arms: NACHTREIHER/46E
Legs: IB-C03L: HAL 826
Booster: IB-C03B: NG1 001
FCS: IB-C03F: WLT 001
Generator: DF-GN-06 MING-TANG
Expansion: Terminal Armor
Noice
I honestly really proud of this build with how all the weapons flow into each other nicely with good power management as well
In my latest playthrough I’ve stepped away from Terminal Armor. It definitely helps with being more confident going into a fight
i tend to lean on standard pulse armor for the emergency ACS reset
but assault armor is fun sometimes if i'm feeling spicy
Dumping assault armor into pulse armor is a gut reflex for me at this point
I see ACS pop and immediately go for the Biden Blast
I love also seeing the cooling animations for each core unit too
ngl i had a lot of fun doing this in PVP when i was running a shotty + laser dagger close-range build
"popping pulse armor? mistake."
i think i scored more than a few victories off of doing that into a laser dagger punish
It's funny when you both wind up popping your Personal Space Enforcement System at once and just both get cooked
Just that half second of "well this is awkward"
Honestly popping your own AA is one of the best things you can do when you get caught out and your opponent goes for the punish
Leads to a lot of that
I tried using the Pile Bunker for my current build and I gotta admit I do not like it very much
You have to get so uncomfortably close for it to work and you can’t even close distance with it that much
Laser Lance ftw
Honestly same
It feels good to use, has fantastic punish, and has a high skill ceiling with mobility cancel tech
The starter AC is not that bad. Just a few tweaks after getting some better internals and it’s pretty solid
I once did a whole playthrough with Loader 4. I only used the weapons that Walter’s other hounds used and I had a great time
I rather like LOADER 4 a lot, so I used a slightly modified version of the starter AC, but with weapons that are still fit within the AC’s theme so as to not be overpowered.
— — — BUILD — — —
R-Arm: DF-GA-08 HU-BEN Gatling Gun
L-Arm: HI-32: BU-TT/A Pulse Blade
R-Back: SB-033M MORLEY Spread Bazooka
L-Back: BML-G1/P20MLT-04 Missile ...
Nothing like finishing a boss with a melee attack too
pile bunker imo is the poster child for "high effort, high reward"
landing a charged pile bunker shot takes a lot of setup and skill, but if you manage it? delete button
I definitely see the appeal, but it’s really hard to land a charged attack on enemy ACs. It’s easier on other bosses when the stagger window is larger
My solution with my build is just using the Dizzy in my left hand
Just really leaning into me being a heavy AC this time
Honestly having beaten most of the game’s bosses with a chainsaw, bunk isn’t that bad
It’s definitely more consistent than the fuckin chainsaw
At least you can move with the Pile Bunker
It's tricky, I've mostly used it in specific fights of AC6 because the uncharged is very narrow, and (I think) has the same cooldown as the charged swing.
yeah the most damning thing about the chainsaw is if you whiff you're just locked out of doing anything for way too long
if you connect, at least the enemy is also disabled for that entire time 😛
The Laser Lance is very flashy, but if you whiff your backside is just left wide open for an attack
Yeah i did a lot of pvp against a player who loved to laser lance->bunk
You learn how to dodge that or you die lol
i actually had a build centered entirely around laser lance punishes
never tried it in PVP but it was pretty fun in PVE
"man, why don't i ever play AC6 PVP anymore?"
queue up for a match
first opponent of the night:
i ended up having a good time overall, but augh, the cheese builds abound
And they don’t even bother to name them, every single one is called LOADER 4
for a build whose only real premise was "how can i Never Ever have to stop moving?" this one quitted itself decently tonight
i call it BLACK ARACHNIA
yeah, everybody else likes to air kite with quad legs; i just use them for the ability to fire stuff on the move
I used them to make a build based one of my ocs
I’ll find the pics in a sec
PALE SHADOW, made for my beloved DnD character
Sadly, this build is too heavy and I had to swap the Soups for plasma missiles
Actually, no, this build isn't overburdened, it just uses a head that I didn't want to use.
I could use the Nachtreiher core, but then it wouldn't have enough power output adjust ment to support two Coral weapons
The Soups are just really fun and look like wings and have that slightly creepy animation
This was an earlier iteration of it
That's the head I wanted to use but I also made that before the new parts came out
nifty 👀
i do like the Lamm head's aesthetics
sadly it's not the best statwise, but what can you do
went in and tweaked BLACK ARACHNIA a bit; despite liking the aesthetic i think the Firmeza arms are too heavy for what i'm going for, so i swapped them for the Lamm arms. that gives me some more recoil control, and the saved weight allowed me to upgrade to Hokushi for the gen, which i'm hoping will give me some more breathing room with energy management
Also tweaked the paint job bc i realized i wasn't actually a huge fan of the glossy white core on a black widow-themed AC
also threw this tester build together last night, mostly just to see how the Harris/Ludlow combo feels to me. still need to run it in some live matches, though i'm hoping i can lock in a rank promotion first so it doesn't cost me if it goes badly
Hi! I've been thinking about giving the series a try since I liked some of From's other games, and I bought Fires of Rubicon not too long ago. I'm especially excited about customizing mecha.
welcome! hope you have a good time with the game
I don't know too much on what to expect, I just saw "robots!" and dropped my money lol
AC 6 is a good starter.
(Imo.)
It's not too overpaced but it also gets difficult enough that you feel good when beating the game.
let's see, vague pointers to people who have played other From games... compared to e.g. the Soulsborne games, customization in Armored Core is quite complex. your mech is made up of parts that not only contribute stats, but interlock; e.g. the core you pick is going to affect how your generator performs, your legs will have an effect on how your boosts behave, your arms will affect your weapon performance, etc etc.
on the other hand, building is very low-commitment. as long as you have the parts, you can just take your mech apart entirely and build a completely different one on the fly. AC6 especially encourages this as you're allowed to fiddle with your build when reloading from a checkpoint, so if you're having trouble it's possible and encouraged to try again with a new build.
there's more of a linear, defined narrative, but if you pay attention there's still some very interesting implied things around the edges. not gonna say too much about that here 😁
Outside of missions, you can buy/sell parts at full price, so it's more of a budget limit on a build than huge worry (aside from rapid-fire ammo costs adding up).
Come commit war crimes with us. 
Fully embracing a heavyweight mech while still being fairly mobile
I'm assuming the weight units are measured in kilograms (as they were in previous games), so this baby is just over 98 metric tons
Rusty is tiny
I'm not standing on a hill, what are you talking about
🤔 mentioning that I now wonder
What the gravity of Rubicon 3 is
Assuming we haven't altered it on a planetary scale which uhh considering the megastructures we can make in game I'm not shocked if we can do that
You could probably measure it in game using the AC’s altimeter
🤔 you right
Apparently redditors have already calculated it to be about 8g while being significantly smaller than the Earth, suggesting the scale is in "we don't care lol" levels
Which is fine not everything needs to care about science
It's mecha I ain't gotta explain shit
In AC4A, speed was explicitly measured in km/h, but it was also set on Earth
8g is insane though
Like, humans can barely tolerate 4g. People lose consciousness at 8g
this is probably why pilots were often fucked up sciencemummies
Yeah, but there's plenty of non-augmented AC pilots
tru
An AC pilot is regularly pulling 12g during quickboosts
In AC4 you explicitly needed an allegorical system hookup to pilot a NEXT
Without augmentations you could only pilot normals
They’re called Lynx because they’re linked
Not that it matters, but AC6 is in a somewhat separate continuity than the other games, right?
AC4 also first introduced quickboosting under this proviso. Oldgen only has walk, boost, and sometimes overboost
Yeah each numbered entry is at least a soft continuity reset
I only say that because Walter's AC had the same designer as White Glint
(2 is the exception)
I wonder if AC6 will get a direct sequel
Also sorta V but only retroactively (Verdict Day confirms at least some of the events of for answer happened in the distant past)
I do like how AC6 shows a direct progression of mech development in its continuity from MTs to old-gen BAWS ACs and so on
Though it is interesting that the PCA LCs and HCs are not outrightly ACs
Yeah they’re more in the AC1 Chrome School of making specialized “super” combat MTs for mass production rather than Murakumo’s standardized ACs
Since 621 pretty much lives out of the transport helicopter, I would imagine Walter has a considerable number of people in his employ. Crew for the chopper, engineers to repair and maintain the AC, and medics specializing in augmented humans.
That does make me wonder how they managed to launch in the Liberation ending
Maybe borrowed a chopper from the RLF
Presumably in the Fire and Release endings they got support from Carla, and RAD by extension, and ALLMIND
They never left the Xylem, so didn't need the RLF for that
Besides, no one from the RLF aside from Rusty reached it anyway
I think 621 would have some amount of authority over the crew when they pick up jobs when Walter is away
True, though that brings the question of how they serviced their AC in the Liberation ending after killing Carla lol
Since presumably any help they had at that point would be RAD personnels
Does make me think that 621 actually got to see Carla in person after she rescued them and brings them back to base.
Yeah
Though I could also see that the last few missions just happened all at once
Canonically 621 did all of them one after another with no break in-between
Maybe they got a supply sherpa offscreen
Mmm
Even when the launch cutscene plays before every mission?
Yeah, since some of the dialogues felt like they're supposed to be happening pretty rapidly I guess
Like between Walter and Carla getting offed by Iguazu and 621's arrival, the events feel like they're meant to take place immediately after one another with no time for a maintenance break in between
Or between Rusty being killed and 621 confronting Ayre. Taking a bathroom break feels wrong when she's actively shooting at the Xylem
621 has an empty water bottle in the cockpit at all times
Walter emphasizes the importance of hydration
Don't be like Iguazu, hydrate frequently lest you become salty
“One more thing, 621… I packed an extra lunch bag for you just in case. Don’t want you getting hungry on the job.”
Granted, 621 probably doesn’t remember the last time they had solid food.
Assuming they can even have solid food
Wild that Iguazu is also Gen Four and he definitely isn’t a body under a plastic sheet.
Something must have really fucked up 621 prior to or during their surgery
Iguazu might have been a more recent gen 4, since it's the last version that still (uses/requires) coral.
Iirc, Iguazu is the only augmented human in the Redguns
Do you think Rusty is actually an augmented human? He says that he is Gen 8 when asked, but that is likely another cover.
I guess that would be a pretty easy thing to verify with a simple physical evaluation, yeah
I really liked Verdict Day for that, honestly. You clearly do have a support crew, and the closest thing you have to a handler/operator is the guy flying your support chopper
There's also a version of Dirty Worker but the lyrics have been replaced with Fatman's japanese VA singing over them drunkenly
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Armored Core Verdict Day
Released on: 2013-09-25
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I actually had to downsize the Dizzy back to the Gou-Chen to fit the ten-cell missile launcher. The Orbiter core does not have the output modifier to fit all the biggest guns and the stun needle, but I love it, so it's staying.
fashion core is important 😤
The most important
Dizzy is so fun though 😌
i've never really tried out the handheld grenade launchers, i should give them a go
Earshot is a lot of fun, ofc
Quad Gatling guns vs dual Earshots and Dizzys
maximum bullet vs. maximum boom
i wish i was this good at pen doodling
I took a quick screenshot of this briefing from ALLMIND showing the list of potential release candidates. C1-249 Sulla is listed under Gen One. Another candidate is listed under Gen Four, which might be Iguazu's designation, since he is also a Gen Four augmented human. I can't quite make out the numbers from the picture quality. But the number that might be Iguazu's is C4-765.
I know a big question is who is the Gen 3 candidate
There’s a theory that it’s Rokumonsen, since he uses a Mind Alpha core, but I’m not sure since I don’t think any Rubiconians are augmented humans
O’Keeffe was a Gen 2, but he turned against ALLMIND
Looks like the Gen 3 candidate is just unknown
Couple of endgame screenshots :)
The finest in Crackhead Engineering™
Very cool
And because I clearly can’t stop myself, I made a new save to start making my favorite build in a natural progression.
The first iteration
Compared to its eventual final form
Most of the fundamentals are already in place
Neat
yeah we don't really get any conclusive evidence. It could be almost anyone who doesn't have an explicit gen listed (or isn't known for sure to be unaugmented) and that's like, might as well be true.
It could even be Rusty since he's unaccounted for in AIE and his bio is noticeably using weasel words on the subject of his gen
Rusty received augmentation surgery prior to joining the Vespers, and though the precise details are unclear, he has declared himself to be of the eighth generation.
It's also possible he really is 8th gen, but the fact that they don't just state it directly like they do the other vespers makes it seem like something's up
3rd gen would still be Coral augments, right?
Iirc those got replaced after 4th gen and the Fires of Ibis
Maybe rhe guy
Father dolmayan
He has some interaction with coral in a weird way
Idk what gen he is tho
Dolmyan supposedly took enough coral to get connection that way
yeah it's ambiguous whether Dolmayan is conventionally augmented or not
It's known he was a doser though
That said Dolmayan is almost uniquely hyped the fuck up when you fight him
Most NPC enemies just do not move and input-read react the way he does
It's a genuinely really hard fight, not so much because of his actual build as the level of horseshit his piloting is pulling
Dolmayan is a newtype confirmed
Holy SHIT hell yeah
Dosing makes you do crazy stuff.
I think I just like RaD too much.
Honestly if dosing coral makes you make up APERITIF, SPRING CHICKEN, BAD COOK, and SOUP I'm gonna recommend it to every engineer.
I don’t see a reason for him not to be as I feel like it would be pretty easy for Arquebus to determine if he was augmented or not or what generation.
I think the more interesting thing is what he was doing before he joined the Vespers since we know he is an RLF spy. He apparently very quickly attained the rank of V.IV, so I wonder if he was an RLF spy from the very beginning or he became sympathetic to their cause and turned coat.
I wonder if he had undergone augmentation surgery for the sole purpose of infiltrating the Vespers.
Thinking of experimenting with the turret drones if anyone has any ideas for fun combos with them
I liked doing dual turret dual ransetsu rf back when I still played
Pretty sure only like half of RaD’s actual creators are Dosers
If even that.
If we’re going by the belief of the part naming scheme then:
Aperitif: Chatty Stick
Spring Chicken: Cinder Carla
Bad Cook: Honest Brute
Soup: Chatty Stick
Are any of these characters even confirmed Dosers?
Rummy is and he supposedly made the Sweet Sixteen, Attache, and Delivery Boy.
The 12345 Booster also mentions it was likely made if not just named under the influence.
The way ACs’ feet scrape on the ground when they boost can’t be good for them in the long run
But it's really cool, have you considered that
Honestly, I genuinely assumed all AC's had some sort of skates/wheels that deploy when boosting.
The most important thing to consider
This is the VOTOMS Dna
Absolutely oldgen and ac6 ground boosters work the way they do because VOTOMS demonstrated it was cool lol
I assumed there was some kind of mag lev thing happening
Snail has the right idea there
The what?
Armored Core has some VOTOMS in it
Chirico and his soldier friends take part in a mock simulation battle on Planet Odon in order to join the red shoulders. In reality its a brutal test to weed out weak soldiers. The Red shoulders aim to kill the recruits in something General Pailsen dubs the "Cannibal Fight" while also being overlooked by Commandant Lehman.
Scopedogs move Like That too
So this is what VOTOMS is?
I mean I do really like Mecha skating, but yes I assume they have some sort of system to prevent the feet from wearing away entirely.
Cool.
Very cool
Though I couldn’t imagine as a pilot wanting my actual head to be where the mech’s head is
Oh the Scopedogs are built in a lab to be as garbage as humanly possible, with basically 0% survival chance for the pilot if hit
Yeah they’re famously made of explodium lol
They’re basically AC6 light MTs. One good hit from nearly anything is a mission kill and then they explode to ensure a pilot kill too
You wake up as the on world (Rubicon) leader of your choice of one of the Manufacturers, which one do you think you could get away with/have the most fun with?
And yes, you can choose the Institute, it's just... y'know?
Orbiter core my beloved, but most of the weaponry I use would be from Balam. Good ol’ reliable depleted uranium shells.
So you'd be the on world highest authority of Balam.
Have fun with that.
I wanna say RaD myself.
RaD would build my AC itself, sure.
put me in a c-weapon and point me at the pca i'm ready
... How exactly?
Something like the HAL 826, I would imagine
Just making sure if you wanted that or not.
I’m not going to speculate the conversion rate of COAM, but it’s kinda interesting how a single independent mercenary AC can turn the tide of a battle in exchange for a hundred thousand credits (prior to expenses) and being paid by a corporation whose wealth is likely measured in the quintillions or more.
Gonna be honest, at my best I'd just be Invincible Rummy, nowhere near anyone better.
And even that implies I have amazing luck to not die.
That’s why I’d prefer just the Orbiter frame. Just doing work out in space.
I do really like the idea of the Wrecker frame... just straight up a modified construction frame.
Weaponized forklift
Milktooth is pretty much my ideal concept.
The Wrecker frame, a Metal Salvage Chainsaw, and a modified Cutting/Welding Torch.
It's just a bunch of normal stuff you're using to fight people.
Too bad RaD is kind of just a shell company by the time you get there.
And yes, I know it's likely the only reason RaD has anything actually unique to themselves is because of Overseer's team.
I need to know if Carla ever made the connection between C4-621 stealing NIGHTFALL Raven’s license since they used a custom Orbiter frame made by RaD
She probably thought it was a funny coincidence
Imagine if we could use PCA parts
I wanna so bad.
Another cut part were extra shoulder boosters
I can't remember them all from that Zullie video, only the untextured shield.
Extra shoulder boosters would've been cool.
Interesting how there's a mod that lets you move like a NEXT.
I would have loved to use defensive tools like flares or even MDD
You could map them to the left and right D-pad buttons
What is MDD again?
It’s the doomsday weapon from Enders Game
Ah, yes!
This performance, this styling, this is exactly what I wanted in an Armored Core.
I wonder what effect this part would have on the meta. I considered having the energy costs of QB and AB to be increased anywhere from 50% to even doubled if they turn out to be overpowered despite the sacrifice of both back slots, and thus, half the offensive pow...
That would be interesting.
yo, back boosters
Iirc at one point a PCA pilot gives you some flak for piloting a "patchwork" unit or something to that effect
Just a line in passing but it implies that the PCA prefers to design and manufacture entire units rather than the mix-and-match system for ACs
Which is a neat little bit of worldbuilding
Ok it very much is not.
Fair enough.
I’ll jailbreak their mech firmware, you’ll see
They do got some cool tech, they just are typically not ACs.
They got a whole ass Transformer
So if they complained about Patchwork before, you're about to make a true Frankenstein.
If you're really insane you can tinker with old RRI Tech.
Coral Spider Cataphract.
Giving me ideas for boss mechs in Lancer
Not really feeling like making horrors beyond our comprehension?
I'd love to, I just don't want to fuck up and die horribly/become one with them.
Now giving you silly ideas, is up my alley.
We love a good cautionary tale
I am somehow too paranoid yet not nearly that cautious to not get hurt.
I wish we could make our own custom MT squad to accompany us
Does such a thing exist in any of the games?
I know there's games where you can hire on help for missions
I feel like AC... 5? Had a system for customizing mission followers? I might be making that up though
Fair enough.
Yeah 5 let you customize and program a UNAC (Unmanned AC) as backup on missions
Sorry, not V
Verdict Day specifically
So the game immediately preceding AC6 technically
In AC3 (and maybe SL? don’t remember) and AC4/4A you could also subcontract on some missions for some backup and split the payout - these are all preset characters though.
They do have dialogue though, which is nice
I wonder if a multiplayer co-op AC game could work
I had just done the Attack the Old Spaceport mission (the one that introduces the Ice Worm) and it has Rusty completing his own part of the mission before rendezvousing with you. It made me think of a co-op AC game that had some missions that required you to split up and complete certain tasks simultaneously, or it would just leave it up to your squad how to complete the mission.
I feel with how FromSoft seems to be leaning into multiplayer recently with Nightreign and Duskbloods upcoming, perhaps they might do something like that with Armored Core.
Well, there was Chromehounds, kind of
Chromehounds is a 2006 mech simulator video game developed by FromSoftware and published by Sega for the Xbox 360. The game is set in an alternate universe where mecha known as HOUNDs battle for control of Neroimus, a fictional region near the Black Sea. Chromehounds features a system for personalized customization of the player's mecha and an o...
Inch resting
back in the day me and a friend use to do 2v2 team matches vs CPU opponents in AC3SL
I'm going to end up being PCA, working nonessential data entry on a spaceship, and die wondering how our spaceships fold so much faster than our ACs.
Fair enough.
I changed my answer. I want a Schneider AC. I just want to go fast.
Might want to do something about the exposed bridge
i feel like i could get away with Balam because they're just in the business of producing simple but reliable workhorses. but it would be a lot more fun to run the Institute or RaD
break reality a little on my way out. half as long but twice as bright
Fair enough.
You just can't beat the Institute
I want some institute cooked horror machine
the Institute hits the same appeal as HORUS, why would you go with any other manufacturer when you can tell reality itself to sit down and shut up
btw i've got this petard lying around, anybody have ideas on who it could hoist
The consequences of my hubris aren't consequences i care about, bring on the horror
Someone should try to make Contact with a C-Weapon. I’m sure it will go well.
You should put me in a C-Weapon
You got it boss
Do the Reuse p-device strat from Gundam Thunderbolt
I don’t know what that is
A next generation operating system that has the potential to operate a mobile suit like a pilot's arms and legs by communicating to the mobile suit's drive system directly via an electric signal transmitted from the pilot's brain. Even individuals with little piloting experience can master the controls of the Reuse P Device in a short period because on a base level, the pilot only need to thinks about movement. In order to use the system at full potential, all of the pilot's limbs must be amputated and replaced with special-made prosthetics.
This is the Reuse P-Device
Brutalist man-machine interface
Nice
Me on working with C-Weapons.
I'd love to tell you cool ideas, but I'm not gonna work on them.
So like the Psycho Xaku from Thunderbolt?
Not like
Literally the Psycho Zaku from Gundam Thubderbolt
The Reuse P-Device is the mechanism the Psycho Zaku is piloted with
Ah
I probably shouldn't go RaD but I like all their stuff being born of drug fueled nonsense that actually works.
Same
Also once again, because most of their stuff is straight up just 'Here's like some iindustrial equipment we made kill people'.
That is my theme.
Ironic I go from 'I don't wanna make Coral Weapons' to 'Coral Dosers, OH YEAH!'
I just don't want to be there when everything goes belly up with Coral.
I admit I chose the PCA because the Ekdromoi are beautiful.
That's like the tall Mechs they got right?
I also find the difference between "mercs with strange, often outdated augments" and "military personnel with seemingly better, less unique equipment that is mass produced" an interesting dynamic.
The hunched ones.
I... don't remember hunches... let me see.
Ah, yes I see.
I love no-head or torso-head mechs.
Like my least favorite form of mech, but I got used to them.
Haha! Fair.
They can seem just really ugly to me, ironically not all of them I feel that way, like those I think is pretty much fine.
I think because they are kind of... long?
I'm sorry but I find this hideous.
Ah, see, I'd like that with a less human face!
Make it a giant gun and I'd like it lol.
Gun with arms and legs.
An example of Synduality: NOIR's Iron Coffins:
By the way these are weird because the Computers are ran by like something really close to an NHP imo.
Or well... I don't actually know enough to make a proper comparison.
But they are sort of weird cyborg/robot girls who are effectively computers to get plugged into the back of your mech to run all the complicated stuff like the targeting computers.
What you gonna do if you wake up as the Dafeng Student Pilot During the Destroy the Tester AC Mission?
I love that the EKRODOMOI are a pair of mobsters. One of them straight up has a Tommy gun.
Return of 'Wish we had that weapon'.
I before said I wish we got the plasma whips of the Ghosts but someone said 'We pretty much have our own flavor of everything, for example that's just the HMMR.'
Don't remember who said it though.
Responding to those wanting to see game play with the VKB Gladiator NXT flight sticks that I shared on Reddit.
Looks cool.
Mech controls are fun things to think about
Correct.
Am reminded of the weird controls in Knights & Magic (SCI-Fantasy Mech Anime).
I would argue Pacific Rim jaegers have the best mech controls.
The MC at one point just rips them out and plugs his magic directly into it like a sort of Neuro interface.
It's a fun one.
Drifting as a central narrative device resulting in mechs that are controlled by love and trust.
Is good shit
Fair.
I woke up thinking about a BAWS AC painted to look like Steve from Minecraft and I can’t remember if I’ve seen that before.
Defeating the Ender Dragon has never been easier
you flew just out of reach… buddy.
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“Buddy, huh…? Do him a favor, Tourist. Remember him.”
yuuup
Rustyyyyyyyy 😭
lmfao
When enough magic space cocaine comes together, it creates a black hole. The same can be said about any substance, but the magic space cocaine is doing it on purpose.
True.
What do you think of the theory that Ayre was originally a human who did not survive Gen One augmentation? And that her consciousness became part of the Coral, which she warns 621 might happen after they had made Contact?
oh i've seen something similar in a fanfic.
Although instead of being a single human, Ayre was the acumulation of several different people that died during the first Fires
That's certainly a theory.
I always assumed she was this one, aye. That the Coral was mediating itself through human brains, so it took on a human lens... and after the Fires, it made contact with a lot of human brains all at once before they were destroyed.
Less "was an actual human" and more "Is a particular filament//configuration of coral" like some of the other coral entities we hear about.
Coral Wave Mutations or whatever, calling it a 'mutation' is certainly an interesting choice.
Agreed.
finally went back for the 100%
damn
nice
i want to get it but i think i won't
just cause trying to get the S-rank missions is just horrendous
most of them are not so bad
there are a couple that I have been referring to as the Bullshit Brothers
but those can either be cheesed or i could lock in with my regular build
I cheesed the alt strider mission with a flamethrower ac and nepenthes is really easy to s-rank if you just bring a shield
yeah the S-rank missions one is really just intimidating IMO
once you get the hang of it, most missions are likely to be first-try S-ranks
there are like 5-6 that are likely to require a few tries, additional routing, or possibly a particular build
funnily enough alt strider was another one of my first try attempts, I got it by accident with Queen of Nails
I was pretty much just bunny hopping and spamming APERTIF
That the spinning wheels of death?
Yeah just stay off the ground and they're easy 😛
they're basically incapable of harming you in the air and they're super weak to explosive damage
i hate themmmmm they're hard to shoot
missiles are your friend!
I tried alt Strider with an energy-heavy build first, suffered, got annoyed and switched to a missile rat which completely steamrolled the mission
i also hate changing my build, which only has a very little bit of missiles
(unironically though, missiles wreck their shit, it helps pin them down and they're super weak to them)
Worth noting that I didn't know the enemies were weak to explosive so this came out of nowhere for me
Yeah Queen of Nails was a missile build (I thought of the name because of the way it felt like like I was just hammering nails into a target repeatedly with the missiles)
"agh, this mission is so rough, maybe I'll try--aaand they're all dead."
i only keep the original 4-cell on me
QoN was using two APERTIFs, a 10-cell on one shoulder, and Trunos on the other
Otherwise it was...I'm blanking on which arms I used but it used the loader 4 head and basho torso/legs
basically a suped up loader 4
one extra AR and different frame pieces
Ya' think the TAI-YANG-SHOU was inspired by just hand throwing bombs in ACs?
Nice! I did that a little while ago
saved Snailteus for last so it was a very satisfying end
I really enjoy testing builds against Branch, which I feel is a better test than Balteus is (shorter mission, too)
If you can handle three tough ACs in one mission, you’ll be fine
i like jumping allmind for practice/catharsis/fun
Yeah this is one of my preferred tests too
‘Excuse me, fine fellows, but I require your assistance in testing out my machine.’
"so it's pretty simple, you try really hard to kill me and i try really hard to kill you, and that way we see who's better at killing and not being killed"
How is Institute City underground and fully daylit?
Coral 😛
The answer is always Coral
Even if it doesn't make sense
especially if it doesn't make sense
Cybersecurity on Rubicon must be practically nonexistent
If Coral technology can brute force through any system given enough time, why even bother?
Though I guess their version of cybersecurity is “shoot the guy trying to hack you”
when in doubt, blow up the entire planet to be sure
And then blow it up a second time to be extra sure
I think the concept art of Institute City was significantly gloomier so it might be a gameplay thing
My assumption was very large artificial lighting.
Today I learned about the Schneider Cup, which was a race for seaplanes and also where some early cases of loss of consciousness from high g-forces (G-LOC) were documented. I wonder if that was where the corporation in Armored Core specializing in high-speed aerial combat got its name.
Likely.
Intercontinental Cargo Launcher, my beloved
Too bad it's not been touched in a bit so damn spiders took over.
That’s okay, we’ll just bring an AC-sized can of Raid
I just distinctly remember my very first playthrough and that moment being when the sheer scale of AC6 truly struck me.
||It's the level where you get the chainsaw, that is how I remember it so vividly.||
I feel like I keep making the same builds over and over again
It's always handgun/machine gun with a bursty rifle, a missile rack and then melee in the bay
I think I'm starting to lose my mind
One thing I'll do in PvE is make classic style builds
One gun, one missile, one other, and one melee. No bays allowed, back slots must be back weapons
Kinda wanna try shields more tbh
the only time i've really used a shield was to cheese Nepenthes S rank
I put a pulse buckler on one of my builds on a whim, it turned out to be fun to use
If your timing is good you can just nope big hits
I also sometimes like to put a shield on builds that have a long reload time on the left hand weapon, so I can hide behind it during the reload
e.g. right hand Harris, left hand Javelin Alpha, shield on the back
I do want to try an energy sniper build, I just feel like it’s much harder to get raw damage out of those
So did neither the RRI or Overseer know that Coral was sentient? Or at least in the case of C-pulse wave mutations?
I am not well informed enough to answer that, but from my knowledge, no.
I suspect the RRI at least suspected that Coral could be sentient. It's known to be an organic substance, and all of the Coral weapons you can obtain make reference to a swarm intelligence. Nagai, however, had already seen one assistant go full mad scientist because of the Coral, and also believed that it would be a mutation in the Coral tide that would bring about a collapse humanity had no hope of controlling.
I wonder then if Assistant No. 1 was perhaps the first person to make Contact
I feel kinda mean, I won a ranked match without taking any damage earlier
Fair enough.
terminal armor i love you so much
Kate “most normal name ALLMIND could come up with” Markson
I beat AC6 again. Probably will be a while before I decide to go through a new save file again
Congratulations on saving and/or annihilating Rubicon
that’s a wild loadout, looks fun!
good run!
Very clean phase 3, we love to see it
Honestly, it’s so fun. The cooldowns on the weapons are so that the attacks flow right into each other. That, and it’s a really fast mid-weight build.
Hmmm. I'm realizing there is an interesting issue with one of the endings I assumed was "better" than the others.
I had forgotten that ||burned Coral and living Coral both cause damage to living tissue as well as machinery not explicitly designed to interface with it. This would mean that the spread of Coral in space, even if it links with all humans and devices peacefully and with good intent, is going to be lethal and harmful to a lot of people in setting.||
||Oh, yeah, that ending is basically full on Evangelion||
I mean ||even without deleterious effects, you're still radically altering the nature of human existence without the consent of, well, the vast majority of humanity||
I prefer that kind of ending to be the beginning of a story because I love reading about Aliens discovering a vastly altered human race.
Like in Humanity Lost (granted this one is a little different).
I had started to write an AC6 fic (that I probably won't ever finish) that is sort of adjacent to the Liberate ending, but it also involves 621 trying to convince Carla not to burn the Coral by somehow finding a way to get her in Contact with Ayre and in doing so have her realize that Coral is sentient
Basically an (Almost) Everyone Lives AU
RIP Walter
It'd be a long shot because it would involve having to convince Carla to disregard Walter's final wishes and showing her that she, Overseer, and the RRI had overlooked one very crucial detail about Coral
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My arrangement of Steel Haze (Where Truths Meet) from the Armored Core VI Original Soundtrack
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FINALLY, AN ACTUAL REMIX OF THIS SONG
GOOD SHIT
I do think it’s funny that everyone thought the lyrics to Rusted Pride were something completely different for a while
Big "first time?" energy lol
armored core lyrics have been kind of incomprehensible with lots of variation in fans trying to decipher them for a looong time
I'm still kind of angry that the one line in thinker is "Sound of Jet they play for out", which is basically nonsense. I thought it was "Laughing children play in fallout" (ie mistaking it for snow) which would be relevant to the themes of the game and also just incredibly bleak (but again, in a way that fits the themes)
- Catalog Number: SVWC-7425
- Release Date: Dec 20, 2006
- Publish Format: Commercial
- Release Price: 2200 JPY
- Media Format: CD
- Classification: Original Soundtrack
- Published by: Aniplex
- Composed by: Kota Hoshino
- Arranged by: Ayako Minami
- Performed by:
Album playlist: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL86B01520A0E84F93
YouTube...
(that said, there's a lot of wordplay with 'close' sounds in that song in general - it's called "Thinker" but when the vocalist says "I'm a thinker" it sounds a lot like "I'm a sinker" and then they start talking about deep-sea fish)
I could break it down
I'm a shooter
A drastic baby
Agitate and jump out
Feel it in the will
Can you talk about deep-sea with me?
(Oo-o-ooh)
The deep-sea fish loves you forever
All are as your thinking over
Out of space, when someone waits there
Sound of jet, they played for out``` these are the official lyrics though
I wish so badly Hyper/Ultimate Weapons were in AC6.
grind blade was always so funny
Those looked so awesome.
I love chainsaws, and even then it was funny yes.
'Balteus is approaching.'
'YEAH WELL HE CAN APPROACH MY SHINY METAL SAW!'
FFFFFVVVVVVVVVVBBBBBB!
The closest we have is coral weapons.
Tbf, a lot of the coral weapons we have access to are pretty cool. They just aren't as... heavy feeling as Ultimate Weapons felt.
I mean the Ultimate Weapons have you sacrifice limbs and blare alarms inside your mech warning you to stop this at once.
Rubicon cries
I will come
I take flight
Beautifully
vs. what the actual lyrics are
Standing in a cold place
Let me know
My steel core peeling away
Now I must listen to sunrise again.
I thought people always knew that AC lyrics are nonsense
Considering I can't even hear them that well, makes sense to me.
Soulsbornen Ring fans: "What does this environmental storytelling mean?"
Armored Core fans: "Wtf are these lyrics???"
I'm both btw
Same.
Looks at you with a laundry hamper on my head and like 2 dozen rings on my fingers.
Grant us Coral on the inside.
this but about coral
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it maps perfectly actually
spoilers for andor s2
Kinda how I picture Father Dolmayan tbh
yeah exactly
Iirc Father Dolmayan is a Doser, right?
That once something is done, it often cannot be undone, especially when a technology or large scale change occurs.
Sometimes, maybe, you can go back, but you can never exist in the world that was before it occured.
It is attributed to Ceasar when he made a decision he knew he could never go back on.
i feel like a lede is being buried here
he said that about crossing the Rubicon to march on Rome and upend the center of his society
Got it, was checking because I saw the RLF quotes.
"Coral, abide with Rubicon. Coral, endure within us all. For none of us shall cast the die."
And I remembered 'The Die was Cast' is found elsewhere as well, can't remember if it's in game or just an achievement.
I laugh Not intentionally. I was asked what it symbolized.
Not the historical source material.
when ceasar said it, he said it in Latin, “Alea Iacta Est,” which is the title of the third ending
Thank you.
a (rough) armored core 6 fan animation
credits:
2d animation: katarina purr
3d layout: katarina purr
storyboards: katarina purr
3d ripper: kamal afiq
(3d model for the xylem ripped from armored core 6’s “breach the kármán line” level. big thanks to kamal for getting it for me!)
music: steel haze (where truths meet) by kota hoshino
-# #armored core 6 #ac6 #rusty ac6 #ac6 raven #c4 621 #animation #mecha animation #my art<3 #roughs are finally done holy shit #i’m so happy with this project omg #i’m hoping to clean this up over the next couple of months #and will open a patreon for updates and behind the scenes on that #stay tuned
Hell yeah.
I like this depiction of 621. clearly modified extensively and only showing the barest of emotion.
I mean... how long has it even been since 621 has been thawed out?
The barcode on their forehead is a nice detail as well
Indeed.
yippee
Awesome.
I think it’s interesting that even though Rubicon is far off in space, Arquebus and Balam still seem to be mainly based on Earth, or a least in the Solar System. This is just going off the fact that the Redguns are named after rivers on Earth, while the Vespers are mostly named after poets and philosophers. I think it makes sense for the Redguns to be named after rivers from their country of origin.
Isn't Furlong based on Jupiter btw?
Considering the whole Jupiter War between Balam and Furlong?
Or at least the war took place among Jupiter’s moons
Yea
Also, I just learned that the Michigan River is in Colorado
Pffft
Our man G1 is from Denver
rip G1 you should've lived a long and occasionally unhappy life as a Nuggets fan
Nuggets?
denver NBA team
Iguazu is Brazilian
And he hates you, unreasonably, at first.
Life just dealt him a shit hand
Indeed.
And it only gets worse from here, Iguazu.
Armored Core 6 definitely did get me into the armored core games, granted I still have not really looked into the previous games as much, but I look forward to what we get from here.
Do I have to wait another 10 years for another one though?
i'm hoping not
There’s rumors of another Armored Core project in development
AC6 was pretty popular so i'd be surprised if there weren't a follow-up sooner rather than later
I must pray we get a chainsaw weapon in that one too.
There’s no word on whether it’ll be AC7 or a sequel to AC6
That is a good point.
Oh boy, I can't wait to see what new tech we'll end up seeing.
I want extra shoulder attachments like in previous games
Isn't there like a problem with AC where almost every game is a soft reset or at least distant from any of the others?
Every numbered game is a soft reboot
So For Answer was a direct sequel to AC4 and Verdict Day for AC5
Got it, yeah I like how the previous games had such variety in the attachments and limbs.
Maybe we’ll get Overed Weapons again
I believe I watched a 'full weapons/parts' of I think both For Answer and Verdict Day, but maybe I am simply misremembering.
Those are the super overpowered weapons that take up multiple weapon slots
I am aware, love them.
So I saw one of For Answer, but I don't think there is one of Verdict Day, I saw all weapon arms and all overed weapons though.
I’d love to see how they could go over the top with AC6 mechs
Indeed, we have coral weapons, and PCA tech so far, but the player only gets so much.
The player can’t use any PCA tech, which is a shame
Indeed.
I just meant that they have 'better mechs'.
The players can get their hands on some c-weapons, but there is alot more that exist in the world.
Only a few that are AC scale
Indeed, does the Coral Generator count towards a C-weapon?
you look at this and tell me it's not a c-weapon :p
This is like all the AC C-Weapon stuff, isn't it?
I only visibly recognize the scream rifle and the presumably coral engine.
Love the HAL 826 core
nah there's a bunch of coral weapons not on there
and the frame is only partially RRI
two melee weapons, two other rifles, the missile launchers,
You talking about total, or what's not on there?
not on there
yea, not on there
Trying to remember the coral melee... I know there's the coral moonlight and the one scream rifle...
Well, I call it a rifle, I mean the beam generator you swing around.
Hal has it iirc.
there's the coral moonlight and the coral pulse bladeish thing
Ah, I see it.
For the Fandom Armored Core Wiki
Captured on PC.
I did not remember it.
Right off the fandom wiki, because I can't find any other complete AC6 wiki.
I literally just copied the link there, it's pretty short but turns into that for some reason.
And I agree.
not that I’m gonna do that work
going out on a limb here but i imagine they won't be very talkative
i can't imagine how it would work with AC's general vibe, but i find myself wondering how they would do a "falling into the cockpit" type protagonist
like an MC who ends up in an AC almost entirely by accident/circumstance and just has to figure it out from there
...a devil crawled up on my shoulder and started whispering in my ear about writing a thesis on how AC MCs are nameless, faceless, and voiceless, and their only method of expressing themselves in the game's world is enacting violence
What are MCs?
Main character
Ah
falls apart by existence of AC1 artbook
But it's still cool thought
the artbook's a potentially interesting source of insight into the games' conceptualization and the creative process of putting them together, but if we're talking about how the games themselves are presented to the player it's not really relevant to the point
...actually if there are character portraits in the artbook, that makes their exclusion from the final game that much more interesting. why choose not to include them? what was the purpose of that? is there a point being made?
i say, outlining an essay that i'm never going to write
I feel that.
Personal take: This is because all MCs, even MCs designed to be an audience lens, do have personalities and behavioral traits - ones that fundamentally underline the game.
The trick is to lead the Player into identifying with and self ascribing those traits.
I think you'd find a lot of games like AC 1 where concept artwork, trailers, and the game development reveal who the MC is, and studying how you make that hidden from the Player is a good topic.
say more
I'll use AC in general as an example. What are traits we know about the pilots from each AC game, despite them being a silent or lens MC?
For AC 6, we know
-The Protagonist had an augment of a specific generation
-The protagonist can never fully ignore Ayre
-The Protagonist is required to pilot an AC if we wish to advance the game
-The Protagonist was bought and sold as a commodity
-The Protagonist lives on or near Rubicon for a portion of their existence
-The Protagonist must have certain kinds of ties with certain NPCs, as the narrative requires these
This is actually a huge amount of framework that, while being for the purpose of a game, is actually pretty strict knowledge about the character. They are not a true blank slate, and while we can put in a lot of our own selves, details, or other facts into that framework,
its a ton of structure around who the MC is, and a lot if it can't be rejected or denied unless we step fully outside of the game.
My 621 might love piloting, yours hates it... but that sense of unique identity in a silent protagonist is always contending with the fact that 621 is a pilot and engages in piloting.
Characters in video games can never truly be blank slates or stand ins for the Player - that is a clever and effective illusion within the framework of video games generally.
I think 621 is more silenced than silent
They literally don't even have a mouth
Or a face for that matter
this is reminding me of that one Extra Credits video where they were talking about Samus
I have convinced someone to play AC6.
same point of like, okay, can we really say that she doesn't have characterization just because she doesn't talk (prior to Metroid Fusion, anyway)? what can we intuit about her as a character just from the circumstances of the games that she's the main character of
Great pooooooint
Exactly!
there's also at least one point in AC6 where 621 is implied to speak, or at least make a noise, but we don't hear it on the player's end (the mission briefing where Michigan goes like "now let me hear your war cry!! ...good enough.")
I think it's because they can't speak
In the literal sense
Something else that sticks out to me is how when Rusty is introduced in Operation Wallclimber, Walter suspects that he knew who 621 was before all this
Which I think also gives some more weight to when Rusty talks about teaming up "like old times" in Chapter 3
And his whole purpose talk in Ch4 and 5
I nod You can change details about an MC, but you are always contending with the characteristics and identity of that MC within the framework of a game.
‘This Relic got hands!’
something something 621 is silenced and subhumanized into an attack dog but nonetheless ends up becoming the one making the choices that decide the fate of Rubicon and the universe at large
It is nice how Walter does offer us options at all.
They were gonna redownload Lies of P but after I talked with them about AC6 they decided to play it first instead of second.
Walter's an interesting character. it would've been easy to make him a cruel, uncaring handler, but he's written more like someone who wants to be a kind and compassionate person but has this thing he feels compelled to accomplish that requires a lot of dirty work
Indeed.
i've always read the amount of freedom of choice he gives 621 as at least partially stemming from guilt over how he's using them as a tool
Could be.
It also reflects, I think, the fact he acknowledges they are not actually tools, given his history with the coral augmentation process.
Walter cannot help but personalize his pilots the longer he works with them, and increasingly moves from abusive master to abusive father//friend.
He generally talks about all the pilots we interact with as people, when he comments at all, and shares this trait most with Michigan.
Makes sense.
So about that. The AC1 artbook contains at least one outright lie about a really big thing, so maybe be careful
Namely, it contains a drawing of Hustler One, Nineball's pilot
lol fair
anyway I actually do think not showing human characters is actually extremely important to the vibe of armored core
Mechanized Warfare for chump change from corporations is dehumanizing. that's the point!
It's cyberpunk vibes by burial more than replacement. It's not (primarily) that people are giving up their meat for metal, it's that the meat has become a tiny part of the greater metal whole.
(there is separately a bit more conventional cyberpunk transhumanism going on here and there but it's less fundamental to the series' vibe - it's been present since the beginning but isn't universal in most of the series)
i do admire the elegance of Human Plus in AC1
a mercy mechanic narratively disguised as a punishment
Yeah it's actually a really creative bit of game design
even if that cutscene lives in my nightmares because I was like ten
Freud is still really interesting to me.
This the system where if you fail/go into debt enough you get voluntold into an experimental cybernetics program and it makes the game easier for you?
Yeah, specifically if you end a mission with a balance of -50000 credits
You also restart the game from the beginning, but keep all owned parts
(it also resets your balance)
it’s a great way to start with a ton of money in addition to the cybernetics
This is notable since you can't replay missions in AC1 the way you can in AC6
I forgot how good that mechanic is. Wow. What a great way to do an alternative NG+
so the economy is actually kind of rough because every cost is permanent
(also if you fail a mission you just fail the mission and move on. you're on the hook for costs with no payout but the game continues)
Freud in his AC whenever he's not out in the field:
Unlike AC6 where you're asked to reload
Only a few specific missions in AC1 actually cause a game over if you fail
A completely unaugmented man who is still so effective. Also true.
so yeah in AC1 if you get deep in debt you restart the game with:
- your balance normalized
- whatever mech parts you owned, whether you bought them when you weren't in debt or picked them up as hidden parts
- a new superpower (which one exactly depends on how many times you've done this - the first time, it's the ability to throw a ranged attack using your mech's sword like how AC6's version of Moonlight works)
Oh, it also gives you a radar system that doesn't have to be installed on your mech, it's just inherent to your pilot
which frees up a shoulder slot/doesn't need to be included on your head part
Freud vs Nineball…
Awesome, so the cutscene is horrifying?
It's honestly pretty tame in hindsight, I just found it really disturbing when I was a little kid
scene from armored core. I couldn't find this video anywhere so I uploaded it myself.
Armored Core is owned by From Software Inc. but you probably already knew that.
And it's notable that even here where it's implicitly a first person view from your pilot with other people in the room, you don't see another human being directly. There are two doctors implied to be standing over you, but they're outside of your immediate field of vision.
Alright.
So I don’t know Nineball nearly as well as Freud, but I at least know what they are.
AC 6 unintentionally undermines a common theme of AI in the AC series, and I love it.
Which is?
||Kate//ALLMIND is the normal AC AI.||
AC 6 spoilers.
||Chatty is probably a better AI than Kate in every sense, and is a better pilot too, with the potential to succeed where Nineball//Kate fail||
Ah, ok.
||Chatty can have human emotion and transcend the limitations of AI versus the indomitable human spirit, by having an indomitable human spirit||
I couldn’t put Freud against White Glint because I don’t think he could contend with such speed.
Indeed, indeed.
RiP sweet prince
I'm not actually convinced ||Chatty can transcend those things because Chatty gets wrecked (by a human) in every ending|| but you're definitely right that Chatty breaks the mold for standard depictions of AI in AC
Yea
My AC pilot pulling a Lancer Iconoclast/Technophile and connecting with a custom AI.
Also I feel like his AC is meant to function like RRI's Weevil frames
Which are also AI driven as well if I remember correctly
Until Coral overrided their program
||We also wreck other humans. Just because he is not the protagonist doesn't mean he couldn't be, in a way we are told Nineball and Kate cannot be without a human merger.||
||Sure, but that's an absence of evidence situation. It's not conclusively thematically demonstrated that Chatty doesn't have that capability but it's not really demonstrated he does either||
||Closest we get is his seemingly genuine distress in the routes where Carla falls before he does||
||I don't think this is an intended read, to be clear. I think its a silly unintended consequence of a throwaway emotional tug on the player.||
||They wanted us to feel for Chatty in a way that was unexpected, and it leads to weird lore implications I doubt they thought of.||
||I think we also hear Chatty respond to humor in a way that also throws Carla, at least once?||
||A friend posited, without evidence, Chatty is different because of coral integration.||
lol oh no
Anyway I guess the other exception I might point out is Chief from ACV, who plays a clear rival role with a lot of personality, despite being a sadistic monster.
Ooo, you are right!
I need to write a paper about how AI represents bureaucracy in Armored Core as a personified entity, and how Chatty -- Chief -- Nineballmind represent different important narrative approaches to discussing what makes better or worse bureaus.
Speaking of which it never really appears onscreen but the PCA Central System is also an AI
Och, that is right! Thats another great example!
and it has a very mechanical, almost flowchart-based pattern of threat response based on what we hear
yeah
It's among the most overtly bureaucratic things we see yeah
though on consideration, we never "see" it but it might well be what's managing most of the enemies at Watchpoint Alpha, including the Enforcer
they don't seem to be manned
Aye. And its very much the epitome of what a "failed bureau" looks like in some theories on bureaucracy.
Also phase 1 of the CEL-240 (phase 2 seems to be the coral taking over command though)
the PCA generally seems to be very, like, cold blunt-force bureaucracy
even the human pilots are operating on what seems to be a rigidly defined codebook
and of course the whole thing collapses in the face of an outside context problem (namely, us 😁 )
Very thematic how they are always “punching down” as seen with their warships and their unprotected bridges
and with that i'm gonna indulge myself in dropping my favorite AC6 meme i've made: AC6 from the PCA's perspective
I love that pilot’s dialogue actually
Both the PCA and ALLMIND are similar in that they really don’t know what to do when a plan goes even slightly awry
man. who was original Raven, anyway? why did they leak the info about remnant coral to the corporations?
the Raven is supposed to be a "symbol of resolve" representing following one's convictions, so what convictions were they following? what was Branch up to?
...it's not a Fromsoft game if you don't have a million questions afterward
Especially since Branch was on Arquebus’ payroll during Defend the Dam Complex
Though one thing is for certain
Nightfall Raven is Karl Urban
https://www.reddit.com/r/armoredcore/comments/1ghr5xy/chief_still_remains_the_most_charismatic_ac/ I had a devil of a time finding any video evidence for Chief to share with the class lol
so reddit link it is
He loves humans! Finds them super fascinating. He especially loves hurting them.
Branch seems to be opposed to the goals of the PCA, which always lead me to assume they wanted to explore the possibilities of coral.
let the corporations do the dirty work of digging it up and take the brunt of the PCA's wrath, while they advance their interests under the guise of mercenary work
i can see it for sure
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i will allow it bc it's Karl Urban
i know it's the game's tagline but the idea of NIGHTFALL Raven being the one to say "feed the fire, let the last cinders burn" is really interesting in the context of the "Branch is pro-Coral" theory
Its important to that each Raven represents resolve towards doing something or fighting something,
so Raven also represents the idea of dedication to seeing something through.
Whether that is pro or anti coral, its about that decision to act.
Wake up, samurai
i know it's the game's tagline but
😛
yeah i know it's probably just a marketing thing
but playing with the idea is fun
I forget sometimes that there are Rubicon-based corps that are supporting the RLF, BAWS and Elcano.
BAWS made the first ACs in this continuity
So they predate the RRI and have survived past the Fires
is there any strong evidence Elcano's Rubicon-based beyond them supplying parts to the RLF? I won't dismiss it out of hand but they could just as easily just be another competitor like Furlong that sees supplying them as an easy way to inconvenience their rivals in Arquebus and Balam
and we don't see their facilities like we do BAWS
The corporate shell game in AC 6 is really well done. Companies that are fronts for parent companies, smaller companies trying to work against parent companies, etc.
yeah it's not so complex you get lost but there's a little more Nuance than AC1's very very simple setup
Isn't there a story path where Elcano either gets coopted by the liberation front of is just revealed to basically be them?
Besides them using stolen Arquebus data to make Steel Haze Ortus? Not really. But they are specifically invested in supporting the RLF
Where you really just have Chrome (plus Chemical-Dyne) and Murakumo, with each having a city government they back (Isaac City for Chrome, Gal City for Murakumo) and a terrorist organization they bankroll as deniable ops (Imminent Storm for Chrome, STRUGGLE for Murakumo)
the main reason that message took so long was blanking on Imminent Storm's name and having to track down that info lol
"Nineballmind" is genius of me, by the way, and we should all bask in my cleverness.
allmind will never be balli-
there's a lot to be said for realistic complexity in corporate structure and politics, but there is also something kind of interesting in "here, choose between two factions that are so equally shitty that they're literally symmetrical"
Okay I know I wasn't crazy thinking Elcano was offworld. It doesn't say that beyond a shadow of a doubt but does kind of imply it
They are symmetrical in this way but of the two Murakumo is absolutely the darker shade of black, as it were
Chrome is awful but their bioweapon experiments are basically of the making giant monsters strain, while Murakumo is actively abducting people to vivisect for Human PLUS experimentation. Plus when their backs are against a wall, Chrome's desperation move is in the realm of conventional warfare (activating a bunch of super-MTs to try to turn the tide) while Murakumo...starts priming up the same Kill Sat that caused the Great Destruction, to try to kill everyone in a "taking you with me" sort of way.
damn
It is kind of funny that just because of the scale of how armored core works, "Bioweapons Research" doesn't mean "we're gonna make a deadly virus", it means "we're going to be making kaiju that can pick a fight with mechs on even terms"
Armored Core: Pacific Rim
Anytime “bioweapons” shows up in a mission briefing it’s giant bugs lol
(The Disorder Units from AC2 are also biological but are never called bioweapons afaik)
Btw if you play Oldgen, triple check that the head you’re using has a biosensor for any mission with bioweapons, you need one to lock onto them
If it’s AC2 specifically just don’t leave home without a biosensor, disorder units are really common enemies
the final mission is tricky enough without being unable to lock onto the final boss, let me tell you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qtxDBoVz8Y I really like this mission though
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it's very funny that they give you the entire payment as an advance
"We are desperate and know this is a suicide mission. But like if nobody does it we all die, so."
"look, we want you to have any chance of success, at all, please just trick out your AC to your heart's content"
Fair enough.
i'm really enjoying all of the incredibly Gundam sound effects here
AC2 is honestly one of the more out-there AC plots in general if you take a step back and look at it
it's set on mars, there are remnants of a long-extinct martian civilization, Phobos turns out to be an alien space station...
The corporate conflict gets totally derailed by Earth's Government stepping in and right as they're primed to be the new villains that gets derailed by their black ops team going rogue
It's like if the PCA just won in AC6 but then Sulla suddenly reappeared out of nowhere as the main villain
that would kinda fuck
I wish we could get PCA chassis. Even just as "You cannot customize it"
I love the Ekdromoi design so much.
I feel that way about the PCA and Ghost machines.
Are the PCA villains? The only evil thing I can remember them doing is not helping the survivors of the fires.
That is a choice I deem villainous, to be clear, but otherwise they are more like a security detail, no?
Depends on your point of view? But I would say objectively they are at least better then the corps
I think they target the RLF after the corps activate the PCA, but I could be wrong.
Objectively, yes but I think they are still an opponent to RLF.
Yeah I think I misspoke in characterizing the LCC in AC2 as villains in and of themselves
they're antagonistic but their main motivation is just bringing an end to the wild west ass corporate violence and reckless mercenary usage on mars
I can't remember if we ever see PCA and RLF come into conflict directly, I think there is the one mission where they are investigating the one armory supplying the RLF?
a particularly negative take on the PCA is that it would serve their purposes very well if everyone left on Rubicon shut up and died off
Yes!
Ooo, yes. Antagonist is a good word.
Antagonist over villain.
They don’t want coral spread, but coral is also important to Rubiconian society (at least some parts).
I nod Though that relationship is also potentially colonial and fraught itself.
It's actually funny, there's a mission the LCC gives you which is just a milk run security detail to guard the spaceport while they shuttle in a VIP to be their primary administrator of a pacified Mars, and the briefing gloats a little that you should be grateful for one last paycheck since mercenary work is about to dry up big time.
That's when things go sideways, obviously.
They are less a helper and more a quarantine through violence.
It blocks not only outside harm but outside help as well. We don’t know if they even offer any sort of help to the Rubiconians.
As part of the LCC reorganization, the new director is coming from
Earth. We'll arrive at Vihul Spaceport within a couple of days. Your
job is to guard the Spaceport.
Of course there's no one left to resist us, but still we must display
our power to the new director. In other words, this is a
demonstration.
All you are required to do is wait along the perimeter of the airport.
We're paying you just to sit there. Soon all Ravens will be under LCC's
command. This is your last job.
The director will be escorted by the Special Forces, do not get in the
way. That is all. ```
Besides ‘preventing corporate control’.
Mhm. My biggest criticism is that I'm unsure if they offered aid to Rubiconians willing to leave, or if they just decided they all needed to be quarantined as a safety measure.
Of course we don’t have much concrete evidence for it, but estimated guesses based on human nature and we don’t hear to the alternative.
I nod There are no clear cut moral organizations or operators in AC 6, to its benefit.
yeah, RLF is probably closest to "feeling like" the good guys but a lot of that is just underdog bias
and they're not arquebus, so
Mhm. Their treatment of the Coral is their big flaw.
I view Ayre as ethically and morally murky as well.
Very much the Cassie of AC 6 (Animorphs reference)
It’s been a while, is that the alien voice the one kid gets in their head?
I see you
No, Cassie is one of the kids
Got it, not read in a long time and I remember little.
She tends to be the moral center of the group, generally speaking, but ultimately she makes dubious decisions with the rest of them
Fair enough.
Doesn’t she at least warn you of whenever the coral starts to surge in that ||mine mission||?
Ayre is put in this position as well. As a moral compass in the story, that role means that we treat her as "responsible" for the immoral or dubious choices she condones or suggests.
True.
I just like how on board she is with the mercenary life
"let's make lots of money on this mission, Raven 😌 "
Ayre my beloved
Listen, your pastoral life is interrupted by an alien who lets you ride along on a whirlwind adventure beyond all you knew.
I blame no valley girl who says yes.
Ayre is one (embodied) from having coveralls or blue jeans.
What if coral powered taser?
Isn't that the yo-yo?
Lol, no we do actually have a taser/stun gun.
Stun baton Coral variant
Just the coral oscillator blade but it shocks.
Did they ever tune down the stun on the yoyo?
No clue.
I should boot up and test my melee tetrapod again.
Wish I could play.
Plasma Thrower had micro-stagger in a weird way.
About the extent I told my friend was some small things about how the game plays and ‘look everywhere, the game has plenty of secrets’.
I hope to watch their play through.
I need to go back and find some of the data files I missed
The STV sketches and such
You have to choose an AC game to be a generic AC merc in, which one?
i'd pick ACFA but if i'm a generic i'd be put in an AC which is not good
probably AC6 knowing that keeping myself out of the main conflict has a good chance to net me some chill
Well, I've only played AC6, so...
‘I would just not be there.’
I'd probably be like Freud and just having fun with it
I’ve only watched AC6 in detail, I know only a small bit of the others.
Ironically this would probably be most of us if we were ‘generic ac pilot’ in AC6.
honestly even if i got to be in a NEXT ACFA is still a dogshit pick
From what I’ve seen of the landscape, yes.
I love barren wastelands
Granted, AC6 consists of a world of still smoldering ash and snow so not that much better.
It's nicer to look at
straight up olding it, and by it, i mean my king
What?
Armored Core For Answer Gameplay video.
I destroy Cradle 03, and count to 100 Million casualties.
I'm only doing this because I love this mission, and it's for fun.
Regulation: 1.15, because infinite Energy rocks.
Normal difficulty, because the only difference between Normal and Hard is just the number of Engines that need to die on each Cradle...
Fair, but then there is the endings…
ONE HUNDRED MILLION
D O N E
Later, if I remember to watch.
That music is far too happy for that scene
*There are still so many more lives to take. our journey is * j u s t b e g i n n i n g
we're just learning our numbers with Old King :D
TL;DR you and Old King team up to kill 100 million people