Armored Core General!

[stone jolt]

I only have a loose understanding of the codes. Is there a way for me to open my image editor decal library to other people?

[radiant birch]

not the whole library, no, not to my knowledge. you'll need to generate and share a share code for each decal individually

[stone jolt]

Yeegh.

Same go for my AC stable?

[radiant birch]

yep, as far as i know you need to share each AC build individually

[keen hedge]

The codes not working between systems remains completely baffling

[patent oyster]

did you notice i timed nightfall's visor coming down and glowing in the opening cutscene to the part of the song that goes "you can give me the flash"

[radiant birch]

editing skills immaculately on point

[patent oyster]

Didnt expect the first kick and charged wuerger to sync that well to the beat though

Thats 100% by coincidence

AC6 is just a rhythm game in disguise, change my mind

[summer bay]

Probably Contact with You

[dusk summit]

armored core more like demon core.

[cursive agate]

Armored Core 3 Silent Line for overall soundtrack, High Sign getting the most replays from me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URfZgsToITw&list=PL21CA9A739E54E8C8&index=6

[eager vector]

based as fuck

[eager vector]

that whole soundtrack slaps

[serene kettle]

A true sign of taste

[polar osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UglRLJLHNsQ

they put Son Goku in Armored Core 😭

[wooden nimbus]

After popping into B rank and then not playing because "what if I lose" I am back at it again

[patent oyster]

Your timing for RJ kick is slightly off

[radiant birch]

so are we thinking that your opponent's camo pattern was a tactical attempt to blind you, or

[wooden nimbus]

Yeah I wasn't doing great but I had fun

[wooden nimbus]

I hope so

Being razzle dazzled is funny

I dunno why I was consistently delaying too much with my kicks that round honestly, I think I saw bazooka/grenade combo and my brain turned off

[stone jolt]

Sweet. I delayed posting this one word by a few hours. I forgot why.

[wooden nimbus]

lol

I got my ass beat by a tau-themed RJ with LRBs sadly but he was fun

At least his icon was tau-themed

[stone jolt]

Hey, I've we're gonna get that deep into the minutae of gameplay, maybe I shouldn't post my warmups.

I might embarass myself.

[wooden nimbus]

It can be fun

I'm kinda poopoo at vidya but I have fun with it

[stone jolt]

I've never uploaded anything to Youtube before. If I can remember my account, I might try.

Is it complicated?

[wooden nimbus]

Not really

I only upload mine direct because I have the baby nitro and 50mb compression isn't the worst

[stone jolt]

Hmm.

[wooden nimbus]

Had a lot of these throughout this fight but I got my dub anyway, fun opponent otherwise

[grave jolt]

Hell yeah, lets show Earth that it has a future beyond it's scorched skies!

[stone jolt]

I want this for a bunch of characters. Walter, Carla, GuaGua, Snail, Red, Michigan, ...Rokumonsen.

[grave jolt]

Fortunately there is a michigan Voice pack already out

[wooden nimbus]

It took me a sec to realize what was happening

[stone jolt]

Great. Naturally.

Welp, I'm uploading my first gameplay footage. Hope it goes well.

[stone jolt]

Did it. Came out a bit loud at the beginning. Whatever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvDlM7G7rkE

Man, UMG won't let in embed. I guess you have to go to the youtube site for it.

Anyway. First upload here or anywhere so... uh, like,share,comment,smashthatbellicon, and subscribe in the next 30 seconds or Rokumonsen will be under your bed tonight.

[patent oyster]

https://youtu.be/YfkPsHjRXLQ?si=0Bz4-RCMyqDAxl0o

[wooden nimbus]

Stuff like this costs me so much AP in fights

[patent oyster]

https://youtube.com/shorts/6waoBizpXgI?feature=share

[radiant birch]

u g h

mood

[jaunty hinge]

Today in Armored Core: I decide it's worth eating a bunch of damage to race down Ibis, since it was very low

[stone jolt]

Sometimes you gotta Melee-rush the guy that's been threatening to Assault Armor Melee Punish.

[wooden nimbus]

Rushdown on rushdown activity may not always be successful but it is always fun

[quasi copper]

rushdown to rushdown communication...

[wooden nimbus]

Unga bunga conversation

[inland sluice]

Here to deposit pictures again :3

[radiant birch]

so here's an interesting thing: i've been plugging away at making a spreadsheet that contextualizes AC6 parts in a way that makes sense for my brain, and one thing i wanted to figure out is how heavily each part contributes to your AC's overall stats. turns out that on average, your head part will only be contributing about 7.5% of your total AP, but nearly 25% of your total stability--only slightly behind the core, and way more than i assumed

Mind Beta's high Stability for low AP tradeoff not looking so bad now

[serene kettle]

I mean, mind beta was the hard meta head before it got nerfed lol

[radiant birch]

well yes 😛

just seeing it laid out in such stark terms really drives it home

[stone jolt]

That's pretty interesting.

Anyone interested in getting online with me a some point over the next seven hours?

I want to try to get some footage of my bizarre builds and I just want a comfortable lobby for casual mech destruction.

[stone jolt]

I'm on PS5, so if anybody wants to have their bizarre builds smashing mine in the footage, let me know.

[radiant birch]

Unfortunately I'm on PC

[stone jolt]

Go get a PS5 and rebuild your account from install. I'll wait.

[eager vector]

I can’t wait to get a pc that can run armored core so I can 100% it and then try mods…..

[stone jolt]

Still looking for a dance partner.

[stone jolt]

Just made this decal on a whim. No idea what I want it for.

[quasi copper]

sometimes it's just a big vibe

[stone jolt]

Yeah. Guess so.

[radiant birch]

i like it

is "Emergent Impulse" referring to anything or is it just one of those phrases

[stone jolt]

It's really just one of those phrases. I was kind of falling asleep two nights ago and started working on a weapon load out for an AC that my sleep brain told me was named Sportsman's Impulse... So I kinda riffed off that.

[stone jolt]

Ah as well have written "Grungo Spungulus."

Come to think of it, I DO have a yet-undecalled AC from back in the more experimental I-Dont-Know-All-The-Parts-Yet early days of my Fires of Rubicon career called the Slembo Fadungus.

Damn how I wish you could decal weapons. That or the Morleys should come standard with a bold "ME WHEN UR MOM" graphic across the side.

[wooden nimbus]

Me putting little birds on all the APERITIF missile pods

[stone jolt]

If you could add graphics to the individual projectiles

[wooden nimbus]

Listen I still wish I could pick the color of my bullets/lasers/thruster emissions

I would love to tweak everything

I'll shoot you with a machinegun that does the RGBs

[stone jolt]

Oh, absolutely. Always imagined there is someone on the Armored Core team who is like, "Listen, we gotta draw the line SOMEWHERE."

I am certain if they could master the physics without slowing it down, they would grant us capes, scarves, tabbards, ponchos, and various other fluttering cosmetics.

I really expect, though, that going forward, we will see new cosmetic options.

[stone jolt]

Creeping christ, if the kinetic weapons had retoolable tracer pallets.... I think that the color coded ammunition is an important part of in-game communication, though. It's how we wind up with bubble-pulse and other distinctive (though not dynamic) looking projectiles

But seriously, change the Aperitif projectiles to 2D thumbs-up emojis.

[serene kettle]

Eeeeeh, FROM has extremely advanced cloth physics tech (some of the best in the industry) already implemented in the same engine (for Elden Ring). I think it’s much more likely not having capes on the mechs was an aesthetic choice to match previous armored core titles and not a technical limitation

[stone jolt]

I hear you, but I think there is quite a bit of difference between cloth dynamics for a slew of animations in a souls game and cloth physics for quickboosting 50ft in the opposite direction of initial flutter being processed on a home console at the same time as two-dozen missile impacts and and the Armored Core commitment to GRITTINESS. If AC could have cloth physics, the team would not be satisfied until they brought a dynamic damage system into it that had each piece respond differently to ballistics, plasma, explosives, and flame jets.

Before the absolute requirement to keep things balanced for online play, you could see they were working up to more and more graphically challenging aesthetics. I bet somebody even proposed it for AC4.

[eager vector]

Armored core historically doesn’t have a commitment to grittiness, and there’s no reason why implementing cloth physics would necessitate implementing a dynamic cosmetic battle damage system

[stone jolt]

Since the early Next Gen consoles, I'd say there has been a notable grittiness to both visuals and writing. It just strikes me as the type of rationale this team would have about that kind of thing. Interviews give me the impression they have a strong perfectionist streak and if a secondary feature like cosmetics would interfere with their work on the base game, or otherwise risk the secondary feature not meeting their standard, they would likely rather cut it. Do you not share that impression?

[eager vector]

No

[stone jolt]

Brr. Cold. But I've definitely seen this style develop, starting with Last Raven.

[stone jolt]

What do you think of the thumbs-up Aperitif emojis? Maybe replace the explosion animation with hearts?

[eager vector]

reminds me of Destiny 2

[stone jolt]

Did they do stuff like that? Sounds like chaos.

[eager vector]

Yeah it ended up being tacky

[stone jolt]

Yeah, I think that's a better word for what I was picturing. The kind of thing that wouldn't look out of place in a mixed up cartoonish game like Fortnite, but something with the art direction of Destiny... Yeegh.

[past silo]

AC6 on sale

armorcor or bread...

[stone jolt]

Yeah. Real.

[patent oyster]

https://x.com/mobiusu14/status/1848357570899251696?t=-9tQcOc1FzE3myfllob6bw&s=19

Mobius@CF 19 F36 (@mobiusu14) on X

#ARMOREDCOREVI i tried making a gunpla box art for fun. i started this painting before the 30mm box art was revealed but only finished it just now

It was inspired by Naochika Morishita , Hidetaka Tenjin and MechaFanativ work

I wonder if foreigners can get jobs like this…

Twitter · Oct 21, 2024, 1:36 PM

an alternate universe where everything is the same except this is the boxart for the 30 minute missions nightfall kit

[wooden nimbus]

Woagh, armorcor

Oh man imagine if we got physical blade R ARM weapons tho

[eager vector]

feel like I can’t point out the Pursuer vibes here without acknowledging that Pursuer is probably deliberately Nineball vibes

[polar osprey]

Pursuer...

[stone jolt]

Like from...

[stone jolt]

After a small amount of research, I have discovered that the Souls character he posted before is called the Pursuer.

His helmet makes him look a little bit like G1 nineball.

This model kit was the clearest image. Even though it doesn't have it's laser blade

Yeah, I see some resemblance.

[eager vector]

it’s the red gleam and attitude

[stone jolt]

Target verified. Commencing hostilities.

[patent oyster]

Ive been listening to the (a perfect day) version a bit more recently and i honestly dont know which one i prefer anymore

[serene kettle]

Yeah (A Perfect Day) lives in my head rent-free

The whispered, gleeful malice juxtaposed with muffled, almost pleading lyrics in the background is…hnnnng

[patent oyster]

https://www.reddit.com/r/armoredcore/s/6rjLXwNF3N

[serene kettle]

😐

[past silo]

I chose armorcor

[past silo]

the test pilot memes were real

[stone jolt]

Wait, were they? Did it happen? Did something happen? Is this a spoiler?

I need to get home and update.

[radiant birch]

I think it was referring to fighting the test pilot for the first time after hearing the memes

[stone jolt]

Ah. Ok. Stand down condition red. Return to general operation stations.

[radiant birch]

Sadly no major content updates that I'm aware of

[past silo]

yeah I'm playing for the first time and it was pretty tragic

the pilot kept trying to melee me from the most unlikely to succeed angles

[eager vector]

Hilariously the memes are from players farming that mission for cash, which is a total waste of time

[wooden nimbus]

I simply banged out whatever mission I found the most fun in the moment to get enough to buy everything

[polar osprey]

Good way to do it

[wooden nimbus]

This usually involves any mission where you cook as hard as possible against a ton of enemies without having to think

[past silo]

let's go

[eager vector]

Hell yeah, my first clear was a similar build

https://youtu.be/q3uY_GsbvS4?si=bXKBhg8qQrDVhHzt

[restive lily]

got this from steam sale the otherday and its a hecking blast :3

[eager vector]

hell yeah keep us updated! Have you cleared Attack the Watchpoint yet?

[restive lily]

yeah

[eager vector]

Sick, what’s your build like? Do you have a paintjob you wanna post?

[restive lily]

Contact with you is such a good track

not really setled for anything so not yet

Pilebunker is neat tho :3

[eager vector]

I struggled to use anything else

[restive lily]

well pulse sword is honestly lot more reliable

BUT PILEBUNKER

[eager vector]

https://youtu.be/NGJGX1E8iF0?si=fwzyCrYkhkXUAihr

[serene kettle]

God. That never gets less satisfying

“Focus on one at a time…ooooor not”

[eager vector]

blud had fomo

[radiant birch]

"fun" discovery of the day: the KRSV has the same issue as the LCBs where the charged shot is nearly impossible to dodge with the netcode in PVP

i had three matches against the same KRSV/dagger build, and i think the only time i successfully dodged the KRSV i had started quick boosting before i saw the shot going off

[past silo]

I'm a little sad I never got to see day 1 baltheus

[polar osprey]

same

[eager vector]

it’s not really noticeably different

[serene kettle]

Yeah I noticed more of a difference with the Ch2 and 4 bosses

The former of which is a bit less tanky and the latter of which does like 25% less damage with its blade waves

Balty got like…a slight tweak to missile tracking?

So the difference is mostly just chip damage

The Ch4 boss is legit a big difference though, that’s a lot more room for error

[keen hedge]

Balty's missiles got slower is my only problem, the tracking is a nice change but visually they seem.. off, a bit, now

[cursive agate]

I remember balt firing way too much for a while too, like part of it was compressed into the other sections.

[past silo]

me boy walked in on me casually flying away from a homing missile chasing me and burst out laughing at the slapstick of it

the poor thing tried really hard

I love light mechs

[scarlet pagoda]

I miss old CH4 final boss, it feels really easy now

[serene kettle]

If you want old ch4 boss, just use your repair kits way too early so most of the benefit is wasted and you’ll get the same experience 😛

[scarlet pagoda]

I cleared it without having to use repair kits even in the original version

The wide lord is too powerful

[eager vector]

Same https://youtu.be/MulZAPDOrzE?si=aC3ieIj7ggOnuiZc

Enforcer took more attempts

[restive lily]

my current loadout :3

[eager vector]

hell yeah! This great, I don’t think I’ve seen anyone run anything quite like it

[cursive agate]

Sweet Sixteen is a very eye-catching pick

[restive lily]

Well i its mostly a rotation of different shotguns
Tho sweet 16 probably works best for what im going with it

Havent crunched the numbers tho so zimmerman or laser shotgun could be better pick for it

[polar osprey]

Interesting color scheme

[eager vector]

it’s fascinating

[restive lily]

Color is based on character Sora from Suguri games :3

[cursive agate]

If sticking with Ming Tang generator (poor EN Firearm Scaling), you'll mostly want to stick with non-energy shotguns.

[restive lily]

Oh fair

Granted i only picked generator with biggest numbers

[polar osprey]

Makes me think of the Monster Buckle from Kamen Rider Geats

[restive lily]

Oh dear

[restive lily]

Actually how does the firearm scaling work exactly?

[cursive agate]

EN Firearm Spec stat on generator affects energy guns/cannons + Aurora/Moonlight, directly affects EN Firearm charge time, and 1/2 effect on damage output above/below 100 (% effect).

Ming-Tang's 76 EN Firearm Spec makes weapons affected deal 12% less than stat card, and charge aprox 24% slower.

[restive lily]

Ooh thats interesting
I dont think thats communicated well in the UI

[eager vector]

classic fromsoft

I’m still mad about how fast laser handguns charge on 20B

I can’t fire them normally consistently

[cursive agate]

The detailed explanation screen gives more information, but that's multiple button presses to get there.

[eager vector]

better than DS2, where lots of critical mechanics aren’t explained at all and the UI often gives outright false information

[restive lily]

No wonder why all laser weapons felt like ass when i was testing them

[stone jolt]

Yo, I'm like a day late for this, but, hell yeah, that is so exciting.

[restive lily]

:3

[radiant birch]

fwiw from my calculations, Sweet Sixteen has the highest burst damage/impact but the worst sustained DPS and accumulated impact buildup, Haldeman is the reverse of that with the worst burst but the best sustained, and the Zimmerman is in between the two of them but also has the advantage of the longest range

[eager vector]

haldeman+LCS pressure build my beloved

[stone jolt]

PC I take it? Im PS5, but a lot of us like doing AC art. If you have an aesthetic or a theme in mind for your machine, let us know. I'm sure some of us would love to make some decals or something.

[restive lily]

Yee thats what i thought

[restive lily]

D:

[stone jolt]

Means it's good for hit-&-run. That's how I beat Carla the first time.

[restive lily]

Yeh i mainly use it to punish whiffs or to follow up melee attacks

[past silo]

is it normal for generic enemies to die the moment I look at them

like we're talking one tap from an automatic weapon

[stone jolt]

I mean, I'm no doctor....

[past silo]

I don't expect them to be anything more than background explosions but it's really uncanny

when a whole ass robot fireballs from a one-two bullets

[stone jolt]

Yeah, with the appropriate kinetic weapon tuning... Maybe, but still, I'd get that checked out.

[radiant birch]

really should learn to play my existing builds rather than constantly making new ones, but... tweaked ERINYS a bit, swapping out the Mind Alpha core for Melander which drops its defense a bit but gives better AP and stability and frees up enough weight to swap the Haldeman for a Zimmerman, which i want to try out for effectiveness. and then of course yet another entry in my series of trying to make a non-heavyweight energy build work

[radiant birch]

yes, entirely. anything that's not at least a high-end MT is basically made of tissue paper in AC6

[radiant birch]

in fairness they are really good bullets

[past silo]

ever since I saw weight optimization I've been stuck with the idea of making a light mech heavily overburdened by two guns that Solve combat until they run dry

[eager vector]

My best non heavy energy builds

[past silo]

but I'm yet to find a heavy weapon that actually does run dry quickly enough so that I don't finish the mission still overburdened

living for the

https://tenor.com/view/rock-lee-weights-naruto-chunin-exams-flex-gif-26433140

[radiant birch]

classics tbh

though i agree that the 20B makes the laser handguns a pain

[past silo]

also is it just me or is there something deeply wrong with the color my screenshots end up as

[radiant birch]

that does seem a bit... oddly muddy?

[eager vector]

that does seem strange

[eager vector]

are you using photo mode here or no

[stone jolt]

An, you can fire those triple las-canons 8 times before they auto-purge. When my Gundam build drops them it suddenly moves so much better.

Also, 8 shots tends to bee way more than enough, so I manually purge them at some point.

[past silo]

nope

[stone jolt]

Speaking of my (non specific) Gundam Aesthetic builds...

A few new pictures.

And of the mid-series upgrade...

[stone jolt]

I forgot to make the second set a reply, but that last canon. Check these numbers.

Total weight of my upgraded Gundam: 87570. QB reload ideal weight on the Fluegel: 73800. Weight of the VE-60LCA Laser Cannon: 14820.

So when I purge that weapon I drop nearly down, just beneath the Ideal threshold of my equipped boosters.

Sometimes I drop it early in a mission and then retrieve it via supply Sherpa later.

[past silo]

[stone jolt]

Is... Is this about the cannon?

[past silo]

yeah, it's pretty much the strat I was thinking about

[radiant birch]

i am discovering how fun it is to pop your assault armor in the face of somebody who's trying to melee punish you

[past silo]

least deranged AC pilot

I'm doing singleplayer still so the idea is to skip the MTs via minigun to face and then beat the boss to death with diesel engine powered fisticuffs

pistols weight nothing so they're a spice bonus

[radiant birch]

simple yet effective

[eager vector]

hell yeah

[stone jolt]

You know the delay in target switching while enemies play out a death animation? It really affects PvE and I wish it were controllable.

I wish there were a factor to an FCS that determines how fast it registers a threat being neutralized, so you could theoretically optimize your ammunition use to your load out.

If your machine gun takes out an MT it 2 hits, but it either takes five shots or releasing the trigger and manually changing target. That's either +150% ammo consumption while dodging enemy fire, or dodging enemy fire while doing precise trigger and camera nudging.

Maybe be there would be something like a threat-scan refresh rate factor. Lower firing rate weapons can easily afford a lower refresh rate, but if you want to just hold down the trigger on your minigun and just swat a wave of one-shot helicopters without burning a significant portion of your magazine, you need the one with the higher stat.

[stone jolt]

TL:DR, Gun go brr, FCS go durr.

Weirdly, I want the Cdr. Cody FCS.

[stone jolt]

Is anyone available to get on PS5 servers with me today? Still need footage for a few of my ACs.

[past silo]

out of curiosity I heavied up my ass and it's surprisingly good

also something about internal combustion being an option for ACs tickles my funny bone

[stone jolt]

And I've been officially ignored again. Teaches me not to post on weekends.

[stone jolt]

San-Tai is just a great generator, especially for old AC Gen players.

[stone jolt]

IT's just like the NGI-000, but less fangled.

[eager vector]

the fashion goes crazy

[past silo]

the stat gains from being underweight are really neat btw

I'm used to load limit remaining being completely wasted

[wooden nimbus]

San Tai carried me for a while but now I'm in aorta's grasp

[eager vector]

Did it get buffed in the last patch?

[wooden nimbus]

Dunno it just fits my main machine better

[stone jolt]

I remember being confused about how to use aorta.

[cursive agate]

Aorta is supposed to be a lighter NGI 000, though in practice (the reduced Post-Recovery EN Supply makes coral regen time harsher). I often take the VP-20C instead for Post-Recovery EN Supply (1230 vs 2000), but still usable/good stats overall, especially after the v1.07 buffs to VP-20C.

[radiant birch]

VP-20C kinda feels like the "if you don't know what to use, use this" generator

Not the best at anything but okay at everything

I do tend to lean towards the recharge gens when I can spare the lower EN output, though

[stone jolt]

Anybody ever use the GILLS booster? I put one on a Nineball mockup, thinking it was thematically the right choice, but whenever I deploy it, I change it to Kikakus.

[serene kettle]

I've used it but tbh it's not super good. Its main claim to fame is being able to rapid-chain quickboosts but in practice you're shooting them out so fast with it that you're not even getting full value out of them and draining your energy bar for no appreciable gain

[surreal vine]

My standbys are the Alulas, SPDs, and Walter boosters

But I am a fan of speed

[stone jolt]

Anybody going to be on PS5 today? Even just for a bit?

[stone jolt]

YOU! What about you? pointing specifically at you

[past silo]

I tried to punch arena iguazu to set him up for a pile driver
he exploded from the punch

I thought you were stronger...

[eager vector]

your smoke too tough

[fading tundra]

i got a new ac setup :)

[polar osprey]

nice

[eager vector]

Whoa sick

[stone jolt]

Makes me wonder. I've got a Steel Battalion controller... I bet.I could.... Nah. That's dumb. I like Iliya's better.

[past silo]

it's really comical how well reverse legs, max melee spec arms and putting all my chips into melee and direct damage is working out

karla's robot buddy in the arena was the toughest fight for this build funnily enough

because it drifted on the racing wheelchair instead of boosting or flying

and melee tracking cannot comprehend the initial D special

[stone jolt]

So, Nachtreier legs, Basho Arms, Kikaku boosters are what I've been taking from the beginning and still make up my main AC.

Actually the BAWS parts naming convention is pretty crazy for me. Back in 4A, my main AC was called the Iga...

And I'm too tired to finish this story just now, but I've said enough to cross-reference the punchline. Goodnight.

[wooden nimbus]

I know it's not the focus but sick keyboard also

[loud peak]

New patch just dropped apparently

Minor balance changes

[wooden nimbus]

Duckett nerfed after becoming viable, hopefully not by much

I don't even use the ducks but it was not so bad fighting duckbladers

[scarlet pagoda]

Any buffs to the heavy stuff? :3

[wooden nimbus]

Not really. Couple boosters got upward lift bonuses and hokushi and V-D generator got minor buffs

I would like to see the Heavy Revival about as much as I'd like to see Buerzel return to its throne as AB King, I was glowing in those halcyon days

[cursive agate]

[2024, Oct 29] https://en.bandainamcoent.eu/armored-core/news/armored-core-vi-fires-of-rubicon-patch-notes-1072

[cursive agate]

less attack power, more recoil/reload time on Duckett won't hurt burst Impact output (per magazine), may force closer range fighting depending on arm choice.

[wooden nimbus]

Love that honestly, please come closer

I am a normal and approachable double trigger mech

[radiant birch]

Huh

Seems pretty minor overall

The Hokushi and VP-20D are not the generators I would have chosen to tune up, personally, but maybe they're saving bigger changes for a later patch

[wooden nimbus]

Excuse me (grabs mic)
Laser whip, big pulse claws and laser machine gun when

You put them in the game give them to me

[radiant birch]

I feel like a laser machine gun with good energy spec has the potential to be terrifying

[wooden nimbus]

Right

[eager vector]

I want a hammer

[wooden nimbus]

I want the mass blade from V

Human beings are just so damn interesting (rebar clang)

[surreal vine]

I want more rifle and MG options

but more importantly

I want more frame parts

[radiant birch]

grabby hands gib more toys Fromsoft

[eager vector]

Silent Line over here with like 400+ parts

429

many of those were reshaded alt parts with tweaked stats but like, that rules actually

[radiant birch]

I know for AC6 From said that they were aiming for fewer parts with more consequential differences, so I guess it's a design philosophy thing

...are there any frame part "niches" that are currently lacking a part? A big part of why I was so excited for the Lammergeier drop was that I had been wanting a lighter tetrapod leg part

The arms filled in for lightweight recoil control, the core is ultralight with good gen output adjustment, and the head... exists

[eager vector]

multiple parts that occupy the same niche create more opportunities for fine tuning and aesthetic choice

[radiant birch]

I mean, I don't disagree. More toys to play with is fun

And there are some frame part combos that I wish looked better together

(notably Basho arms + nearly everything)

[serene kettle]

Basho Arms I think just commit the sin of being a little too well rounded for a specialist set, and outpacing everything else in that specialty by too much

like, if you're doing anything with melee at all, "why not basho" is a hard question

[radiant birch]

I think the recent buffs to the Arquebus arm parts have helped address that a bit, by giving you options that are only a little weaker in melee while also having actual firearm spec and/or recoil control to speak of

Lots of duckblade builds use the recoil Arquebus arms, from what I've seen

[cursive agate]

I guess VP-20D Supply Recovery to make up for it's immense weight over other options, and Hokushi's low supply recovery made the low post-recovery hurt even more (comparable to VE-20C).

[radiant birch]

...i'm looking at the Hokushi's 1.01 stats and oof. it barely had anything to recommend it over the VP-20C, for 2000 more weight.

but yeah, that tracks. i'm just thinking, Hokushi and VP-20D are at least useable, compared to, say, the VP-20S, which as far as i've seen just kind of never gets used

[cursive agate]

Small generators are in a really wonky/stepping-stone spot because of reduced stats for less weight, and extra EN Output affecting EN Recharge much more than the stat itself.

[radiant birch]

of course i say nobody uses VP-20S and yet i look and realize that i'm using it myself in one of my builds

but a heavy double earshot build doesn't really need great energy performance...

[patent oyster]

20S is meta lol

Well, was

I dont think Evil Statue is viable anymore

[radiant birch]

tell me more about Evil Statue 👀

[patent oyster]

Competitive players figured out that you could build an AC with the movement stats and agility of a lightweight+the defense stats of a midweight by simply slapping Tian Qiang core and VP-20S on LW biped legs

https://youtube.com/shorts/HFqFP0Akv8U?si=Ut5-8X9eOMRXP1q9

[radiant birch]

reminds me a bit of this fellow i ran into the other night

[patent oyster]

Yeah this is new evil statue

Since TQ core got nerfed in 1.07

And basho core got buffed

[radiant birch]

the scary thing is that if i stare at it long enough it actually starts to make sense to my brain somehow

[patent oyster]

The etsujin nerf wasnt really that consequential in the end so this build archetype persists

The only bad thing about it is that its very ugly to look at

Im not sure if current evil statue still uses 20S due to the yaba buff

But im certain 20S is still viable in this build

[patent oyster]

The switch from almost universal 61PS usage in meta builds to some builds using 61PB is interesting to me, i guess it makes more sense for people with better internet connection though

[radiant birch]

i've never tried using shields competitively, honestly

[patent oyster]

Neither

[radiant birch]

surprised the SU-R8 isn't more popular given that it's the most "hold and forget" shield but maybe that's just not a good strategy for shields

[cursive agate]

Shields are a pretty brutal counter to some builds, but a speedbump to something like heavy laser spam

[patent oyster]

If you want to play hold and forget, just use scutum

[radiant birch]

the 61PB is pretty much a full counter if you can get the timing right. one of the reasons i enjoyed using it on ULTRAVIOLET in PVE

[patent oyster]

For most shields, the key stats are the heat buildup and instant guard duration

[cursive agate]

I've found the larger missile packs are harder for shields to deal with, because the stats are built around big reward for landing hits. The 10-shot regular especially wears down shields with a 1-by-1 stream, and solid Accumulative Impact.

[patent oyster]

The same goes for making an opponent maneuver more to spend EN

[surreal vine]

Shields are really good but I play KB+M and don't quite have the reaction time with my fingers to pop it fast enough

So tend to double trigger or gun + melee

[wooden nimbus]

The main reason I never use shields has nothing to do with the shield itself and everything to do with "I have four guns and I want more"

[restive lily]

i finished the first playthrough :3

[stone jolt]

What ending?

[restive lily]

Liberator of Rubicon

as if im gonna turn down beating up Snail twice

[stone jolt]

I was worried you'd say that. I find it much more emotionally difficult starting there.

[restive lily]

||betraying Carla and Valter is bit rough||

[stone jolt]

You are always going against someone, and like I said, ||there isn't a named character who you cannot directly kill across the three outcomes||

There are those who will make you feel worse.

[winter sigil]

I started with Fires and it remains my favorite

[stone jolt]

Also, PC or PS5?

[restive lily]

PC

[stone jolt]

I'd like to know your reasons, but that sounds spoiler-rich.

[stone jolt]

Feh!

I need someone to get on PS5 with me.

[winter sigil]

I think the ending sequence of missions + final boss was the most fun and interesting out of the three by a pretty good margin, ||I enjoyed the whole Finishing The Mission bit, I really didn't like Alea Iacta Est (the vibes just did not vibe for me), and Liberator's ending missions really didn't click with me||

[stone jolt]

It's powerful, emotionally. I'll give it that. The note from Walter at the end was bittersweet.

Reminded me a lot of Nell's letter from the end of AC2

[winter sigil]

yeah

I didn't mind Liberator too bad but I really really really did not like the third ending

[stone jolt]

I can see that.it is not for everyone. You remember the original ME3 ending options?

Control, Destroy, or Bulbasaur?

I went with Bulbasaur and didn't look back.

[winter sigil]

Never played it
I didn't like the story outcome and ||god I did not like the Iguazu bit. It was just. Blegh. Super Blegh. Allmind could've been a cool final boss but then it's Iguazu and blegh.||

[stone jolt]

Oh, you really mean the climax. The finale didn't have you.

[winter sigil]

among other things, yes

some of the ng++ alt missions were neat though

[radiant birch]

||I actually do like Iguazu's turn in AIE but only because the idea of somebody taking over an AI superintelligence through the sheer power of being a hater is funny to me||

But yeah it's not really as immediately personal as the other two endings

And the decision of who to betray in Act 5 is painful

Like my first time playing through I was just sitting there like "I don't want to pick either one of these options"

[winter sigil]

||It was kinda funny but if my reward for playing through the game a third time is 'funny loser man takes over the baddie that was being set up for three full playthroughs to fight you as the final boss' then i'm going to be a little salty||

[radiant birch]

Fair enough

[stone jolt]

I look at it as being the butt of a pretty patiently set up prank. They got me good and the prank earned its place in history.

[eager vector]

I think it’s a great rival twist

[surreal vine]

I honestly love the ||salt-powered robot||

and destroying 'em : )

[cursive agate]

I find it to be an interesting shakeup, ||especially considering the number of time you thrash Iguazu across playthroughs. || ||Last fight shifts from long-range kiting/zoning (primary tactic of AI ACs) to hard melee.||

[serene kettle]

||that last phase is by far the hardest for me too, it's just a real vicious scuffle where a single mistake can wreck your shit||

[past silo]

I'm surprisingly fond of the shoulder mounted minigun

it overheats way quicker which I thought would be a big problem but I'm a reverse joint build so my yoinky sploinky kinda fits its tempo perfectly

I pretty much never get to overheat the handheld minigun against actually threatening bosses because my jumps interrupt it

[jaunty hinge]

My biggest issue with the shoulder miniguns is Fromsoft's bad UX

Let me bind all four miniguns to M1, dangit

[stone jolt]

I just thought Y'all shoud know,

I'm learning to bunker piles.

[wooden nimbus]

Pile pile pile pile

[stone jolt]

Gomer Pyle.

[radiant birch]

ah yes, the Rubiconican handshake.

the good ol' delete button.

[stone jolt]

Apparently, I'm the only one who plays on PS5. I really could use another person to help me grab footage of my ACs is action.

There are just so many piles. How can one man alone bunk them all?

[stone jolt]

Anybody interested in telling me about their Pilot OCs?

I'll ask again later, so anyone who has just been waiting fr the question doesn't feel like they missed it.

[past silo]

armorcor started kicking my ass

which is very welcome because I kinda snooze cruised through the early game

||Raven|| was also kinda copying my build, thematically enough, so we looked really stupid trying to do the same thing to each other at the same time

[patent oyster]

Using their build against them is very fun

[past silo]

reverse joint sweep meant I would never be caught by their earshots though

an advantage they didn't share

"oh no! I'm out of energy, what should I do!"
the 0 to 430km/h instant jump:

[eager vector]

oooh which part?

[past silo]

||Raven|| took me a souls boss amount of attempts

and in the arena I got to uhhhh

cold...slaw

the uhh

coldcall

and he's the first enemy that just consistently blasts away at me instead of doing strong but dodgeable attacks and I need to reframe my mentality a bit I think

[polar osprey]

ok i still got it

[eager vector]

https://youtu.be/gHpWW6WrSIw?si=FREx303j8oakJAYt

[past silo]

I first went into the fight with the chainsaw and it was much smoother after changing to pile bunker

so yeah boop indeed

[eager vector]

I wish chainsaw was easier to use

[stone jolt]

Seems to be one of those things they balanced for PVE and don't dare alter.

[past silo]

supposedly the chainsaw reduces damage from the front while revved

but I was too impatient to test it thoroughly

[stone jolt]

It really seems to increase the chance of deflection.

[radiant birch]

chainsaw hits are fun to watch tho

nryoooooooowwwwww

[past silo]

the saga continues

[past silo]

Walter: be ready for close quarters combat

me, just silently staring at him through this mech's eye

[wooden nimbus]

Chainsaw? 👀

[eager vector]

insanely based fashion

[past silo]

I discovered I can use the laser lance and chainsaw on the build to great effect

[radiant birch]

i love laser lance

second only to moonlight/redshift in the "this is only technically a melee weapon" category

[serene kettle]

Honestly even in PvE it's worse pilebunker for most practical purposes

[stone jolt]

The Lance is a projectile that one has decided to hot-glue themselves to.

[serene kettle]

pilebunker except you only really have the charged mode, the hitbox is super wonky, and sometimes it just doesn't "stick" the target and only does chip damage

I gave up trying to beat Snailteus with the Chainsaw only meme build for this reason, because something about that ring in front makes the chainsaw fail to stick nine times out of ten

[stone jolt]

I remember finding a use for the pile bunker in PVE for either 4 or FA...

[serene kettle]

which is especially egregious when you need to break through the shield just to have a chance of dealing damage

oh, Pilebunker is fantastic in PvE

Chainsaw is an albatross in comparison

[stone jolt]

I see.

[serene kettle]

you can use it but it's generally harder to do so effectively than most other melee weapons

it does rack up big damage numbers when you do fully connect though

[quasi copper]

chainsaw good

[serene kettle]

I have beaten every major boss besides Snailteus with chainsaw-only meme build though

including smart cleaner (that one was tricky)

[quasi copper]

I found a way to beat Snailteus with the chainsaw actually

but it requires some jiggery-pokery

[serene kettle]

oh, I might have been able to do snailteus if I were just better

but it was an exercise in frustration

[quasi copper]

there's a bunch of bosses you can get much better chainsaw attack connections on if you come at them from a strange angle and let melee boost just do its thing essentially

[serene kettle]

Like, I had a few attempts where I was very close

and would have had it if not for getting robbed by whiffs or his shield coming back at the wrong moment

it works best if you can get him from behind, the ring up front seems like it causes a near-guaranteed whiff

the other hard endgame bosses were all drastically easier lmao

[past silo]

I beat up the... straining all of my brainpower trying to remember a boss name that's a numerical designation

AAP03 Enforcer

but yeah I beat that up with a chainsaw, as saying I cut it up wouldn't be the full truth

funny that the boss with a melee blender mode finally clicked for me when I decided to match it in melee of the apeshit flavour instead of keeping a distance and exploiting vulnerability

you're doing dark souls type sword dances? wrong, assault kick

the chainsaw had a tendency to fail to stick but it struggled to hit me with its sword when I had my feet planted firmly in its face too, equal exchange

a decent upside is that the chainsaw can secure its own stagger and still deal good damage with the rest of the revv if the enemy is very close to ACS overload

also the enforcer was pretty hot...

[serene kettle]

Enforcer is so fun

great fight

[eager vector]

Link pls!

[serene kettle]

I don't have video but here's the screenshot lol

[eager vector]

[restive lily]

I have discovered that twin zimmies and twin diffuse laser canons with funi wheel chair legs can body every boss

[polar osprey]

I never got the hype for zimms

[restive lily]

Honestly its just relatively consistent burst damage

That doesnt punish much from whifs

[past silo]

I used them a little and they failed to blow my tits off

my problem is that they are, in fact, consistent

I live for excitement of skill based gambling

[polar osprey]

I just didn't find them to do much damage wise

And they are far too slow by a mile for my tastes

[restive lily]

If you get two you can stun most bosses with 1 -2 shots and set up for funni combos

[polar osprey]

Ic ic

I always run dual machine guns for constant quick dmg

I never really moved on from the 4-missile pods you get at the start of the game either

[restive lily]

My usual build is two spread bazookas, assaultrifle and pulse sword

[polar osprey]

My main AC, Pale Painter Ruber, is the highest extension of my combat philosophy

[restive lily]

But if i struggle and dont feel like dealing with it the speed zimmies come out

[polar osprey]

Which itself is the "perfected" version of the original Pale Painter

[restive lily]

Very cool :o

[polar osprey]

Ty

My combat style relies a lot on just schmoving in 3 dimensions and constantly applying pressure with quick weapons

There are surely higher damage builds but Rubers setup is very constant at damaging the enemy

[restive lily]

I just tend to go at enemy very hard
If i hit them i hit them hard :3

[past silo]

I'm more than halfway through the game I think

there are two wolves inside me

• do what I feel like
• remember that this is a multi ending NG+ game and do the option I like the least first

[eager vector]

I went with A my first time and on all subsequent fresh playthroughs I’ve done B

[late jay]

You use the Ocellus with that?
Because I imagine the recoil is insane with those arms

Also, hi

I like experimenting with builds

[polar osprey]

This should be the build

[late jay]

Oof

Well, last I played I was working on this

[polar osprey]

Egh

Pale Painter isn't that bad

Carried me through 3 playthroughs

[late jay]

I'd still like to fight it sometime just out of curiousity

[polar osprey]

Beat most everything in the game except ||All Mind Iguazu|| with it

[late jay]

Jsyk, I haven't painted that AC yet, it's not going to stay looking like that

[polar osprey]

Pale Painter Ruber is a lot better though unsurprisingly

[late jay]

I just use the Loader 4 as a blank slate

[polar osprey]

Fair enough then

Ruber, as the finished product, is incredibly optimized in comparison to the original Pale Painter

[late jay]

Here's my last finished one

Used it to terrorize public lobbies in PvP for a little while before moving on

[polar osprey]

Ic ic

Here's a combat example for Ruber also

[late jay]

Ooo

What's the weight on it?

[polar osprey]

Don't have exact numbers but iirc around 75k

[late jay]

Ah, okay

Is it alright if I can provide one suggestion?

[polar osprey]

Sure

[late jay]

If your focus is being more steadfast and mobile with reverse joints, I would suggest switching the Spring Chicken out with the Mind Beta legs

Spring Chicken doesn't really provide as much defenses on its own and is meant to be used for heavier equipment

Speaking of which-

I was working on this prototype here for that expressed purpose

[polar osprey]

Ruber uses Mind Beta legs though?

[late jay]

Oh, damn, sorry

[polar osprey]

Np

[late jay]

I mixed up the two you showed me

[polar osprey]

Yeah i thought so, it's perfectly fine

[late jay]

What're your internals on that version btw?

[polar osprey]

Lemme check

iirc i changed it around a bit last time an update came out

[late jay]

Ah

[polar osprey]

need to hop in game to check

[late jay]

Okey

[late jay]

Hm

Have you considered the Hokushi generator to lighten up a bit?

Plus it pairs really well with the HAL core since it has high generator output

[polar osprey]

i'll give it a try while i'm in game

[late jay]

Okey

It alright if I add you btw?

[polar osprey]

sure

ok tried out Hokushi vs. San Tai on both Locksmith and Nightfall and i think i prefer San-tai just because it's a bit more snappy with the energy regen

[late jay]

Okey

[polar osprey]

speaking stat wise using Hokushi brings me to a perfect place for my boosters since fluegel has a 73k optimal weight and total weight with Hokushi is around 72k

[late jay]

I think it's all down to preference in the end

[polar osprey]

but San-tai works better with my playstyle

yeah

[late jay]

Yea, that's why

[polar osprey]

Hokushi is realistically the better gen but for how i play San-tai actually works better

[late jay]

Hokushi is snappy too, just so long as you don't deplete your EN entirely

[polar osprey]

yeah i do deplete it entirely a lot which is the reason San-tai fits better

[late jay]

It does take a bit of getting used to though

[polar osprey]

i go hard on boosts so a snappier regen from San-tai actually works in my favour even though it's less optimal

[late jay]

Hokushi is more for the classic AC experience with EN

[polar osprey]

yeah

also i tried the original Pale Painter against Locksmith and man it's lumbering as fuck compared to Ruber

so fucking slow on boosts and EN regen

it is the prototype for my playstyle so that makes sense but maaaan the disparity is crazy

with Ruber i can run circles around Nightfall but Pale Painter it's a much more even fight

still not my most fucked up build

that is overwhelmingly Aperture Momentum

nightmare build

ridiculous damage but also literally just zero mobility

it's a horrendous build but it's also a limit tester thing so it's not really intended to be good

i still need to make an updated version of it which is more functional

since i did it for its sibling

[late jay]

IJHRGJDFICEIURJKHDGFJCNU8RJIEK

[polar osprey]

?

[late jay]

I'm laughing now, but I feel like I'd be genuinely afraid to fight that

[polar osprey]

you shouldn't it moves like a snail

if you get into effective range it will kill you

but it's also the slowest thing IMAGINABLE

unlike its sibling unit Nuclear Whiplash

which is the fastest thing ever

[past silo]

oh yeah I managed to take a non washed out screenshot

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/427974417495097354/1303858982716444703/20241107000942_1.jpg?ex=672d48ce&is=672bf74e&hm=a0ebd55863a80b0630b5f7b67569ccbb26a08d7ba84b3d2a6e3c9303d3806f94&

[polar osprey]

i also made a combat functional successor of Nuclear Whiplash, Nuclear Collision

so i need to make one out of Aperture Momentum also

[polar osprey]

ayyyyy nice

sick lookin ac btw

[late jay]

I have my own longer range tankier version

[polar osprey]

nice

to give you an idea of the snail pace this thing is moving at

style wise i think my fave i've made is honestly kind of just Detonation Derby

[late jay]

Mine is probably even slower tbfh

[polar osprey]

it's a fun name and a fun aesthetic

[late jay]

YOOOOO

That's awesome

[polar osprey]

most obnoxious is Wave pressure which is a long range missile rat

[late jay]

Have you tried the Pulse Missiles btw?

[polar osprey]

yeah

none of my builds are super optimal since they are proof of concept type builds

[late jay]

I personally like them better

[late jay]

Same

I'm usually adding slight adjustments as I go along

[polar osprey]

My latest AC was Dawn Anchor

Which is basically just "what if i built a gundam"

[late jay]

Cool

What's that on the right shoulder btw?

[polar osprey]

Melee

Coral version of Moonlight

Idr the name

[late jay]

No, other shoulder

The mech's right

[polar osprey]

Iirc it's the laser drones

As a stand in for Funnels

[late jay]

Ah

[eager vector]

@late jay great builds, great shots

Here’s mine

[polar osprey]

Nice

[winter sigil]

this is my beautiful child

[polar osprey]

Name?

[eager vector]

Blue Danube Second

[polar osprey]

Nice

[winter sigil]

the first Blue Danube was significantly heavier but in roughly the same plan

[radiant birch]

Hah, I also have an AC named Blue Danube

[winter sigil]

oh that's funny

super different build

[radiant birch]

Ye

I named it "Blue Danube" because it's made of tissue paper so its only defense is waltzing around the opponent's attacks

I should get my PVE roster decorated

Put together some decals and the like

[late jay]

Noice

[late jay]

I really wanna keep working on this one when I get the chance

[radiant birch]

The Zimmermans are hard to quit, it's true

Burst impact so strong

[wooden nimbus]

Alas, I am forever a servant of House Minigun

The Holy Dakka demands ammunition

Also it is very funny to me that miniguns are called miniguns

They are not mini at all

[radiant birch]

Should've called them manyguns with how many bullets they spit out amirite

[wooden nimbus]

I miss the physical shield and knife you could have in ACVD

[restive lily]

apparently the name comes from it using standard rifle cardridge as opposed to Vulcan which uses 20mm rounds

which makes even less sense for AC call it minigun

[polar osprey]

the only weapons i've ever had problems quitting is the 4 missiles

and i still use them

[restive lily]

double shoulder bazookas for me

[winter sigil]

I am the Turner/Scudder's strongest supporter

[restive lily]

altho now i moved to double needle missiles

[winter sigil]

oh and the one nerd shit detail is that that isn't pure white, it's the exact color of nuclear antiflash white paint

[wooden nimbus]

What's the specifics on that paint

[winter sigil]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-flash_white

I used the US mix for it, it's in the subheading

[late jay]

Updated this prototype I was working on and I'm liking the results

Now just to figure out how to paint this one

[late jay]

Should I go for like a grungy industrial pallete or try my hand at making it look more arcane with some rune-like patterns?

Or a cross between both to make it more like a doser AC?

Asking because I'm indecisive

[polar osprey]

Both

[eager vector]

Both

[wet shard]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/492799900145418270/1304471436932681748/RDT_20241108_0933305553430789742185830.png?ex=672f8332&is=672e31b2&hm=d810851179eb97a0bbead8c1cd4a1208e57fb1aa41c8531bca88c4b9dd3e71a0&

[wooden nimbus]

Unironically I would love to see an AC6 mech drop into MechWarrior

"Wtf how is this thing so fast"

[serene kettle]

This isn't not the final boss of Verdict Day 😛

[radiant birch]

"HOW ARE YOU NOT OVERHEATING"

[serene kettle]

(though ACV mechs are still a fair bit more agile than mechwarrior mechs)

[radiant birch]

tell me about it

MWO is a constant exercise in "i should not be standing here, oh well, time to get shot to pieces while i slowly backpedal 🫠 "

[wooden nimbus]

I love MechWarrior when I get to be in an assault mech tho

King Crab my beloved

[radiant birch]

oh yeah, total walking fortress moment

i should try assault mechs in MWO a bit more but they make me nervous

your positioning needs to be extra good bc if you screw up you're not getting out of there anytime soon

and ofc you're pretty much always the top target priority for the other team

[wooden nimbus]

That's what I like about mw. Positioning and squad support is really fun and then I'm a giant walking target that slams into the enemy guns blazing

[late jay]

The MT experience

[wooden nimbus]

I once again find myself wishing we got chromehounds 2

[alpine wharf]

We have those already, we call them 'Clan Mechs'

[late jay]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[past silo]

MAV by bombdog studios if you're willing to deal with solo dev rate of updates

[late jay]

My partner vandalized (painted with permission) my mech

I actually like it quite a bit

[late jay]

Here's from another experiment btw

[eager vector]

This rules

[late jay]

Ye

[eager vector]

It’s like if the unicorn gundam banshee was better

[late jay]

?

[eager vector]

https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/RX-0_Unicorn_Gundam_02_Banshee

it transforms to reveal a lot more gold

it would’ve been better if it had your partner’s paint job

[past silo]

I might've ruined arena for myself with this build

the AI has no clue how to respond to the quad melee threat

[eager vector]

arena is just easy

[past silo]

aaand all A and S rank cleared in one sitting

[late jay]

Ah

My partner mainly just wanted to give it sunset colors

To go with the Coral, plasma and JVLNs

[radiant birch]

quick poll: which of these three shots of CELESTIAL VISITOR do you like the most?

[wooden nimbus]

Action shot

[past silo]

I had to leave my PC right after the Ibis fight and missed all the dialogue

[past silo]

youtube to the rescue

[late jay]

Damn

[late jay]

Here's a weird one I came up with

Well, not really that weird tbh

I'm just not used to using energy weapons

[radiant birch]

i enjoy energy weapons, they can get up to some bullshit with the VE generator series

closest you can come in AC6 to not relying on ACS break for a damage burst

[late jay]

I like breaking ACS

Hense why I'm using the Aurora with the Pulse Gun

[radiant birch]

lmao fair

i'm partial to a good stagger punish build too, i've just been toying around with alternatives to satisfy my own curiosity

i've kind of become partial to having a light laser rifle in one hand and a laser shotgun in the other

[late jay]

Idk why, but the Arquebus generators make ACs feel more cold to me

Like they lose the vitality from the combustion generators and the haunted aura from Coral

In comparison it just feels like the life's sucked out of them

[cursive agate]

I'm guessing it's the difference in thruster/QB sounds. Combustion/coral has kinda a deep rumble, while electric is higher pitched.

[eager vector]

Oh I didn’t know that!

[winter sigil]

I love my bright blue ice cold zoomies

[late jay]

Idk, maybe I should paint energy generator mechs warmer colors

[late jay]

Thinking of painting this one copper

[radiant birch]

that'd be a good look, i think

[deft bridge]

maybe with like some bluegreen patina sections

[eager vector]

stealing this idea

[late jay]

What's patina?

[eager vector]

https://www.worldcoppersmith.com/articles/copper-patina-guide/

[deft bridge]

It's where copper oxides like rust on iron, it's why the statue of liberty looks how it is

[late jay]

Ahhh

[late jay]

Was inspired a bit by peacock copper

[deft bridge]

Very slick

[late jay]

Minor edits here

[late jay]

Also I really wish they would buff the Ransetsu-AR since it would go well with my passive/aggressive playstyle in this AC

[radiant birch]

It's so bad

Like I'd heard people say it was bad but I didn't realize what that meant until I crunched the numbers and realized that it's worse than the Turner

It's the kind of numbers that make me wonder what the hell Fromsoft is even thinking

[wooden nimbus]

Probably "not a lot of people telling us about it in a place where we hear it"

I feel like fromsoft balance patching involves a lot of processes I'm never gonna be privy to

[radiant birch]

Most of the time that's fair, but when I see the Ransetsu-AR be strictly worse than the Turner performance-wise while also having a higher weight and EN cost I can't help but be like ⁉️

Like if I, an amateur enthusiast, can figure out the problem in five minutes with some basic spreadsheet math I feel like they should be able to see it too, you know?

The only explanation I've been able to come up with is that somebody at From thinks burst fire is a lot better than it actually is in practice

[wooden nimbus]

No idea honestly

[radiant birch]

Watch them overbuff it in the next patch so that it becomes the dominant meta weapon 😛

[late jay]

The last time they overbuffed a weapon, they quickly nerfed it again

Looking at you Duckett

Why did they buff the Duckett anyways when it was already in a fine spot as is?

And considering how quickly it was nerfed again makes me think it was an accident

[cursive agate]

I guess to keep up with the smaller handguns better? Though buffing velocity instead of attack power/impact/accumulative impact probably would have worked better.

[late jay]

They also reduced the recoil on it on top of that, making it the new candidate to replace dual Vientos on Basho builds

[cursive agate]

Duckett (long handgun) recoil seems unchanged until 1.07.2 cranked it up (30 -> 49)

[late jay]

Really?

Huh

[cursive agate]

I think most arms did get a Recoil Control buff a while ago though

[late jay]

Anyways, it would be nice if both of the Ransetsu rifles received buffs

[cursive agate]

RF projectile velocity is pretty underwhelming, AR overall needs help

[late jay]

The AR could probably use some more damage to let it keep up with the Turner or possibly be between that and the Scudder for DPS and the RF's charged burst could be tweaked too to make it worth using

I like the idea of the AR being more of a stop and go sort of weapon

[radiant birch]

The RF is already overall the best-performing rifle if you're willing to deal with the sluggish fire rate, but I agree that the charge shot could use... something. It feels pretty pointless as-is

Especially since, unlike the AR's burst fire, it forces you into firing stance

[late jay]

Yeah

[radiant birch]

I agree with this too. If the AR got tuned up a bit it'd be a nice option for builds that aren't going for steady fire

[past silo]

the dart pistols are strange, I don't see their deal aside from hyperspecific weight and range minmaxing vs the handguns

[radiant birch]

The Vientos?

As of their latest tweak their thing is that they have incredible burst and garbage sustain (damage and impact both)

So I could see them having a niche as a compliment to a more consistent weapon to get the opponent over the top when they're near ACS break

But I haven't really tried using them myself, not lately

[late jay]

I also really like using the HMMR and noticed that the charged attack is bugged against enemy ACs and smaller enemies

[cursive agate]

Double viento was used for a while before handgun buffs/viento nerfs

[late jay]

If you use it at point-blank against a staggered enemy, it's supposed to fling them back into the cloud of mines, doing some initial damage before they eat the plasma

And against enemy ACs and smaller enemies it ends up whiffing

[radiant birch]

Double Viento was the original double Duckett

[late jay]

Yeah, I remember the VBO

[radiant birch]

BVO never died, it just reincarnated into Duckblade

BVO - died patch 1.07, Duckblade - born patch 1.07. welcome back

[late jay]

Anyways, I've been warming up to my energy hybrid build

[radiant birch]

How've you been testing it out?

[fluid rapids]

pile bunker my beloved, almost one shotting boss ACs before they can even heal is cruel

[eager vector]

https://youtu.be/gHpWW6WrSIw?si=d_1ukmjGeCcdGf_v

https://youtu.be/NGJGX1E8iF0?si=Ri0rnD24y6HNMf3i

https://youtu.be/34zmLiu5GnM?si=Zw8q24abKhQrIOEA

[late jay]

Mainly in the testing chamber and against Dafeng Kid so far, probably gonna see if it holds up in more missions though

And in the arena

[wooden nimbus]

I have gone feral and decided I need a melee weapon after all, testing suggests it is very nice

[eager vector]

not sure that counts!

[wooden nimbus]

oh no that's just showing off

But the dual gats stagger fast enough

And I will always love the redshift moonlight

[late jay]

I feel like there should be sequels for AC6 that should take place after the Liberator of Rubicon and Alea Iacta Est endings

[eager vector]

I think if there’s a sequel, I don’t think it will be after Alea Iacta Est

[wooden nimbus]

I would love to see it honestly

But I feel like they'd to Liberator

[patent oyster]

Prequel where we play as nightfall please

[eager vector]

That would be sick as hell

[late jay]

Here's a weird heavyweight I made

Kinda just felt like being a chonker

[waxen nest]

oh hey new Secret Level trailer

oooh the Armored Core stuff is being shown

Wait what do you mean Keanu Reeves is gonna be there

https://www.ign.com/articles/it-looks-like-keanu-reeves-is-in-amazons-armored-core-animation

YEAH UH

[late jay]

Yeah, he was teased in the original trailer

[past silo]

if I need your coral, I'll fuck it

[restive lily]

In 2756 what makes somebody a criminal? Getting cock.

[waxen nest]

In Rubicon 3 you can be come.

[late jay]

Anyways, what do you all think?

[wooden nimbus]

Love a big fucker honestly

@scarlet pagoda heavy AC in chat

[scarlet pagoda]

Based

We love to see it

[past silo]

I wonder if my midweight punching AC would survive 5 seconds in pvp

[radiant birch]

There was a point in time where if you managed to ACS break somebody you could then stunlock them into oblivion with repeated punches. I think that's been patched, though

[late jay]

Hopefully

Anyways, heavyweights are really fun

And they're great once you learn how to AB shuffle

[late jay]

I stole Sulla's drip for this AC too

And added my own touches to it

[eager vector]

looks fantastic!

[late jay]

Thank

[eager vector]

I just finished my first playthrough using only tank legs and I still don’t like them

[late jay]

Okay

[late jay]

Any ideas for names btw?

I was thinking like a dessert theme because of the legs

But idk

[waxen nest]

owo

[wooden nimbus]

Ah, tonight is a bad night for me to be doing multiplayer

TLDR I remain convinced that stagger/stun mechanics are ass

[late jay]

Sorry to hear

[radiant birch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so-wDs-ANMg

[stone jolt]

This was exactly what I was thinking. I think they would hesitate to confirm their story, though. THAT SAID, genderless mute thing is something they tend to reserve for playable characters.

[radiant birch]

it'd be like a reverse White Glint

play the boss battle as a protagonist in the sequel rather than fighting the protagonist as a boss battle in the sequel

[late jay]

I need a name for this thing I just realized

Me and my partner could only think of food names for some reason

Being "Doublestuff" and "Red Velvet"

The latter I feel would be more fitting for a Coral AC though

[deft bridge]

played for a while the other day, cooked this up, playing with weapon switches more

[radiant birch]

i like RED VELVET, it's got a certain ring to it

[deft bridge]

maybe like "crusher red velvet" for a play on words and lending to its,,, stature

[late jay]

Fest

Actually, I think I kinda like Doublestuff for the potential innuendo

[deft bridge]

fest?

[late jay]

https://tenor.com/view/gorba-za-gif-25393309

Gottago fest

[scarlet pagoda]

thought Id share my AC

Justice for All

[eager vector]

sexy

[scarlet pagoda]

it is the THICCEST you can get

[wooden nimbus]

sexy

[patent oyster]

Swap the weapons and this is meta

[radiant birch]

that is a substantial amount of dakka right there

[scarlet pagoda]

It is just barely enough dakka actually

[eager vector]

why attaché over huben?

[late jay]

Noice, and an Attache user too

[late jay]

Less recoil most likely

[scarlet pagoda]

It looks cooler imo

[radiant birch]

Style is important

[late jay]

I like the Attache too

[eager vector]

yes form over function 100%

[grave jolt]

Be me, choose both!

[wooden nimbus]

I am not yet sure if this will be any good but it does have a vibe to it

[wooden nimbus]

Decal time

[polar osprey]

niiiiice

[wooden nimbus]

I need to adjust some internals but it did just kill a kite so I'm thrilled

[radiant birch]

excellent, well done!

just out of curiosity, is there a reason you chose to run with the Spring Chicken legs rather than a lighter RJ option?

[radiant birch]

speaking of new builds and PVP, i just managed to beat a lw huxley/chang-chen spammer with this:

i think i might be onto something here

[wooden nimbus]

Big shoes

Longer answer: it looks like the RJ version of the default legs because RaD and I had initially wanted to make a LOADER 4 build, but then I spun out into this thing

[radiant birch]

fashion is valid!

[wooden nimbus]

My only regret is I'm already at 20/20 decals

[wooden nimbus]

This looks like it's fun to fight

Now I need to think of a name for my new friend here

[radiant birch]

i would hope that it is! i've been trying to get together a quad build that works well in PVP (that isn't a lamm kite or super heavyweight)

the linear rifle/bazooka combo didn't quite have the juice, but double bazooka seems to have more of it

[past silo]

do you happen to remember the all minigun user's name

wonder if it was my friend lmao

[radiant birch]

uhhhh... i think the AC was painted jet black and named "Raven"

pilot name was... Erebus, i think? something like that

[past silo]

then not

clowning denied

[radiant birch]

alas 😔

it's always a good feeling when i see the opponent's build and think "shit i don't know if i can win this" but then i do anyway

i did lose the first round but that was bc i was figuring out how to pilot my AC and counter the other AC

[serene kettle]

I like Spring Chicken a lot just because they're unironically some of the best kicking legs in the game, combining the leg weight scaling with the RJ boost

and AC6 doesn't feel right without boost kicking, it's so natural to how I've learned to play the game

[radiant birch]

yeah, i was looking at the stats earlier after i posted that; i didn't realize that they actually have a lower EN cost than Mind Beta

[serene kettle]

they're honestly pretty good midweight legs all around, even if they support heavier builds too

[radiant birch]

given that more weight increases the effectiveness of boost kicking, and that AB builds don't care much about weight, the +5.5k weight or so the Spring Chicken has on the Mind Beta seems like a feature and not a bug for boost kick builds

i don't like leaving a lot of unused load on my builds, because i've kind of internalized Chrightt's position that leg stats are balanced around their load limit, so you're paying for load that you're not using. but i don't think that's a hard-and-fast rule and there are definitely scenarios where the best legs for your build are going to have a lot more load than you actually need

[serene kettle]

yeah I think it's an easy trap to fall into to feel like you need to squeeze every point out of your legs' weight limit when that isn't always the best use of your parts

similar with your generator's EN limit but honestly you actually want to leave a gap there usually since unused EN cap contributes to your recharge speed iirc?

[radiant birch]

it does, yeah, and it's noticeable once you start paying attention to it

i find that anything below 2.5 - 3k EN efficiency is painfully sluggish

you can kinda get away with it if you have a gen that starts recharging quickly, but even then

[scarlet pagoda]

@wooden nimbus I have a new build for you on Friday, I have elevetad to maximum thickness

[wooden nimbus]

Oh boy

[wooden nimbus]

Name my new bastard machine, use your song lyric wizardry

[scarlet pagoda]

Do you have a genra you want

[wooden nimbus]

Always been a thrash and black metal guy :)

I just don't know what to call this lad

[scarlet pagoda]

Aight I have one

Soundchaser

(band: Rage)

[wooden nimbus]

It is done, thank you brother

[serene kettle]

dang, why am I not drawing on metal song titles for my mecha names. Ghost of Perdition, Jaguar God, The Glass Prison...lots of bangers in there

[scarlet pagoda]

Yup

Ripe for picking

[wooden nimbus]

The featherweights with 8k AP damage combos are awake time to play something else lol

[scarlet pagoda]

Battleship build time for tony

[late jay]

Chipotle

[patent oyster]

This is just LW waterstrider

Well, almost

But it seems like it would play similarly

[radiant birch]

technically it's midweight (~73k) but it moves like a lightweight

...what is waterstrider though?

[patent oyster]

Arquebus quad leg AC with heavyweight core

[radiant birch]

huh, didn't realize that was a thing. interesting

[patent oyster]

https://youtu.be/jGGhFfcVZ6I?si=E_3IBDiqzW5doahD

(The standard WS build has changed over time due to weapon adjustments)

[past silo]

I'm coral gen pilled so what is recharge time

[radiant birch]

How did it take me over 24 hours to realize that I wrote "a bug and not a feature" here when I meant precisely the opposite

[late jay]

Ah

[eager vector]

I did think about correcting you hahaha

[radiant birch]

Fair enough

I'm old and my mind is going, that's all

[late jay]

I have an idea

I really want to paint my AC with patterns and decals based off Chaos Angel Zone from Sonic Advance 3 (shown in last image) using Sulla's pallette as a template, but I'm really unsure about where to even start

[polar osprey]

i'd have to hop in game and experiment i think

start off by making a color pallete though

best place to start

[late jay]

I kinda feel like Sulla's pallet works for this imo

And that pretty much clears like a quarter of the work

[polar osprey]

check the color slots on the pallete, make a color pallete from the chaos angel zone to match, and try putting colors onto the mech until it works

[late jay]

Fair point

I like the idea of adding this tile pattern to the legs specifically

And maybe these colorful triangles and zigzag patterns making bands around the shoulders

[wooden nimbus]

Usuda+Vocaloid remix of Fires of Rubicon is pretty cool

Also the Soundchaser is teaching me that I need to be more aggressive, see: round 1 vs round 2.

[late jay]

I really wish there was an extended cut of that song

[wooden nimbus]

The USUDA remix? There is one

https://youtu.be/H-vDhSQDbbE?si=e4-ie0l73ABQwaJJ

The Twitter cut is the one I used for that fight

[grave jolt]

Ah cmon...has my rust been knocked off that easily?
Balteus was easy, i feel i did him a disservice by NOT getting my ass kicked.

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-shinobi-kamen-rider-shinobi-仮面ライダーシノビ-仮面ライダー-gif-21903225

First try, and with only using one kit.

[scarlet pagoda]

Nerfed balteus is unfortunately pretty easy

[patent oyster]

The balt nerfs were pretty inconsequential tbf

[cursive agate]

I think the speed scaling buff did more to making the missiles more dodgable

[eager vector]

They were never very threatening tho

[radiant birch]

this honestly might be one of the funnier Balteus clears i've seen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMqJ0xRFa1c

[late jay]

I kinda wanna use the Bad Cook more tbh

Also, Curtis + Stun Baton are pretty monstrous in 1v1s

[past silo]

I'm not sure what bad cook's ideal use looks like

[late jay]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-hello-elmo-rise-elmo-hell-gif-3989603362345473118

[past silo]

what's the practical difference from blowing them up

[serene kettle]

It's nothing special in PvE (though paired with another weapon can help stagger) but in pvp they're kind of nightmarish because they make it very hard for your opponent to actually see what's happening.

[scarlet pagoda]

I'm doing a full reply and the fight felt really easy for some reason

Maybe just because I've beaten it so many times

[wooden nimbus]

Once you know you can AB into him to dodge his missiles and get under/over him to handle the rest Balteus 1.0 is really easy yeah

Even pre nerf

[late jay]

Yeah, Balteus plays mostly defensively

[fluid rapids]

AGHHHHH i really want to make a metal sonic (metal overlord) mech now

[late jay]

Hell yea

[late jay]

Updated my heavy plasma bomber (and tweaked Sulla's paintjob again because I really like it with Arquebus generators)

[late jay]

Aaand, I just realized something screwy with the Ephemera arms

I'll just pretend it's intentional because of the RRI's Lovecraftian engineering

[eager vector]

joints aren’t real

[polar osprey]

Got my friend to buy AC6 lets GOOOOOOO

[late jay]

Hell yea

[radiant birch]

spreading the good word

[radiant birch]

surprisingly, streaming AC6 for my friends, i'm finding myself walled at the Hawkins/Pater fight

something about wanting to get in close so i can stagger and then bunk them, but they both have nasty melee punishes and are surprisingly difficult to stagger

Hawkins because he's a quad build, Pater because he's good at deploying his shield to eat impact

Hawkins also reminding me how much i h a t e the laser sword's charged sweep, because i wasn't reminded enough by fighting Freud in the arena xP

[polar osprey]

got a screenie of my friends AC, Arch Angel 01

[wooden nimbus]

Bubble cannons