Armored Core General!

[languid sand]

Makes sense

[modern whale]

You wish lmao

[languid sand]

I just used the earshots for the cleaner

I got the speed to fuck around

So I do

I need to buy a new copy of this at some point

I miss ayre

[modern whale]

I ahould figure out a decent build to deal with V.VII

The long range setup I got rn is great for all the scout MTs but I dunno if it'll hold up against a quadped

[loud peak]

I feel that the next thing would be a DLC like the previous gens

So they will retune the system but not remove it

[loud peak]

Swinburne?

Something with a strong alpha strike helps

He's just sits there to monologue at the start

[patent oyster]

At this point id be ok if they just focused their efforts on the next game

But some new pvp gamemodes and a multiplayer coop endless horde mode would be cool

[languid sand]

I hope they do the usual and just make the definitive version of the 1st game like did with all of the armored core

Except 2

Screw another age

[surreal vine]

I just wish there was more parts for assembly and that the MGs and non-Harris/Ransetsu RF rifles were more viable

I like that shotguns feel solid in this one, but when it seems like 75% of assemblies I see for PvE or PvP are just Zimm combos of some manner it gets really disappointing

[modern whale]

Probably keep the Songbirds then

[surreal vine]

(also while the core parts, heads, and limbs this gen are good, we just need more imo)

[languid sand]

I want some of the old designs back in cameos

[modern whale]

THIS

[languid sand]

Like crest or mirage

Or even something white glint esque

[modern whale]

Like, I'm a basic bitch who leans hard on Melander but I want some variety

[languid sand]

I want my basic ass bitch crest head back

Also anti missile systems

[surreal tundra]

Pulse blade and second melee- or twin guns to magdump/sustain and maybe a missile or other thing on the right XD

[languid sand]

pulse blade, shotgun, plasma missiles, and songbirds on the full orteus frame with nacht arms

[surreal tundra]

They can fit a few things I suppose,
I just use BASHOs instead to maximise punish lmao

[languid sand]

I honestly forget I can kick most of the time, that build is really just a well rounded speed freak build

[surreal tundra]

Kicks are sooo fun XD

[surreal vine]

I simply made a very high speed lightweight biped with twin rifles and twin missiles or orbits

Melee builds are incredibly fun but netcode does not like fun

[languid sand]

I don't do multiplayer much

[radiant birch]

Yeah, I've found PVP's fun-to-frustration ratio unfavorable

[modern whale]

I'm only really planning to run PVP with friends

[polar osprey]

based

i have no friends to play PvP with

[radiant birch]

We keep talking about doing a server fight club on here

[polar osprey]

that would be neat

i don't think Ruber is particularly well specced for PvP but i'd like to see how it performs against y'alls AC's

[radiant birch]

It'd be fun to try out some PVP ideas without having to optimize for ranked, yeah

That said, I don't know how many time zones are represented here 😛

[polar osprey]

would love to do a battle of the ultra-lightweights

[radiant birch]

Something like a no-meta build contest could be fun too

[polar osprey]

easy mode for me all my builds are unoptimized dogshit

[radiant birch]

🤝 me prioritizing fashion over stats

[polar osprey]

what if i make a fucked up AC

my favourit is uh

Aperture Momentum

utterly fucking horrendous to fight anything in

utter dogshit stats across the board

but it looks insanely cool

so worth it

[modern whale]

I am probably the least experienced pilot on the server or at least one of the least so a noncompetitive fun approach would def work for me

[modern whale]

A good enough pilot can do anything regardless of their frame

[polar osprey]

yeah but Aperture Momentum is truly awful

it has zero tolerances for anything and it's slow as all hell

plus all of its weapons have extremely slow recharge rates so you have to be quite careful with it

effectively every part except the head is also locked in because no other parts can support this setup

you can change the chest to the Lammergeier one technically and you can do whatever with the head but this is about the best config i've found

you can also fiddle with the FCS i guess but you kinda want to just get the most out of it

it looks sick as fuck and i accomplished what i wanted with it

there's a lot of technically i could switch parts going on with it but it is basically as optimized as i could get it for my own preference

[eager vector]

https://youtu.be/ApGTpLiiQks?si=ZXA5SMKSuascfcHI

this is my most serious PvP build, I dunno how meta it is

[radiant birch]

Afaik Auroras aren't super meta, nor non-heavy lasers

Like it looks like a solid build (I'm assuming you're using a high energy weapon spec engine)

But when I say "meta" I tend to be thinking of, like, dual Zims with a shield or whatever the current iteration of BVO is

[surreal vine]

BZO iirc

Basho-Zimm-Ocellus

[radiant birch]

Zims strike again

[surreal vine]

Meanwhile I just like my twin rifles lightweight. No having to deal with netcode shenanigans, just staying mobile and clear of the enemy while shooting

I do see more Plasma Rifle use

Now that people have realized its charge fire is kind of a tiny DoT shotgun setup

[radiant birch]

I had a pretty fun lightweight build for a bit that was dual ransetsus with a homing missile for pressure and trueno for punish

[surreal vine]

My main lightweight biped is twin Ransetsus with WLT FCS and various missile, orbit, or drone options

[radiant birch]

Twin ransetsus just hit so good

[surreal vine]

Starting to warm up on plasma missiles more because of the proximity det

Twin Harris are better but the EN cost hurts

[radiant birch]

I know the Harris is objectively pretty good but it just never felt entirely right for me

I tend to prefer the Curtis for the faster rof + being able to charge shot without overheating

[surreal vine]

I have an ALLMIND-ified RJ variant of my LW that's twin Harris/Laser Drones

Slaps

In general I find my own playstyle is very 4th gen-esque of wanting to QB a lot and stay mobile and clear, so rifle LWs just click for me

[radiant birch]

I haven't played 4th Gen but yeah, I don't like getting hit so I tend to prefer being agile

Damn it now I want to start playing with builds again

This always happens

[polar osprey]

my old reliable is just machine guns and the 4 missiles

Ruber my beloved

[radiant birch]

Sometimes you just need that dakka with a side of boom

...I can play with builds after work while I'm waiting for my groceries to get delivered. Hell yes. I win again

[polar osprey]

big W

[patent oyster]

Dual etsujin is always going to be oppressive in cqc

[polar osprey]

i see i see

[patent oyster]

And the optimisation suggestions ive given you are all based on my experience with pvp and on the opinions/builds of the wider pvp community

[polar osprey]

👍

[patent oyster]

Id say ruber would do reasonably well if you maintain good spacing

[patent oyster]

Not meta, looks like a fun build to play though

Which is more important imo

[patent oyster]

The most "meta" BVO adjacent thing is either Evil Statue lightweight (tian qiang core statdense build) or etsujin shield midweight

Classic BVO is just dead at high level plays though

[patent oyster]

Honestly ranked is a terrible place to learn PVP

Optimizing for ranked isnt really a good strategy for improvement

Anyone can get into S rank if they're lucky enough in their promos

I know someone who got S rank with stock ||walter bossfight|| build, as well as someone who used arena preset Locksmith

Personally, i treat ranked as a quick match system

[radiant birch]

behold: Butcherbird reborn

can't remember if i used the single or dual homing missiles on the last build, but i'm liking the single far more than i expected tbh

it's got a pretty generous reload time so you can keep the pressure up even if you're only firing one missile at a time

jumped into a random PVP room and the other person had a flying tank with a Carla loadout. i thought i was screwed but it turns out 371 boost speed is enough to kite the missile barrage pretty effectively. beat them 2-1 and then they kicked me out without saying anything xP

[patent oyster]

You only need 350 boost speed to wiggle to dodge missiles

[radiant birch]

this is validating my desire to go f a s t

[patent oyster]

Do you mind if i give you some build suggestions?

[radiant birch]

i'd rather you didn't actually, thanks for asking 🙂

i'm pretty happy with how it runs and any suboptimal choices were probably made for fashion reasons

[patent oyster]

Fair enough!

I wasnt going to touch any frame parts unless its absolutely necessary, but if you're happy with with build then enjoy it!

[radiant birch]

thank!

i was working on a midweight quad dual curtis build too

i think i might just really like dual rifle builds

[patent oyster]

Something i personally really like is running a mix of rifles

Dual RF is great, but having a scudder and curtis/RF/harris opens up so many more tactical options

[radiant birch]

i'll have to give that a try sometime

one thing i like about the dual curtis on the quad legs is how easy it is to transition between regular and charged shots

[patent oyster]

All my rifle kites are bipeds or RJs, and ive found that curtis stance time is short enough that i dont lose that much mobility

Same with harris but harris takes slightly longer to charge and its stance is a hair of a second longer

[patent oyster]

After running dual RF for some time, having scudder in one hand means i dont have to mash both mouse buttons haha

But also scudder actually has a slightly better direct hit adjustment compared to RF iirc

Scudder fun

[radiant birch]

scudder fun

[loud peak]

Scudder fun

[radiant birch]

one of my other PVP builds is dual scudder + dual earshot. it is very simple and very evil.

[patent oyster]

Scudder is honestly the best automatic rifle-type weapon in the game rn imo

Ransetsu AR is straight up garbage due to the way fromsoft coded it to work

Turner is nice but doesnt really pack enough of a punch

[loud peak]

I run dual Scudders with slicer and split missile

[patent oyster]

Attache (i know its technically a LMG but it functions like an AR) is a confused weapon that doesnt excel at anything

[loud peak]

At least for PvE

[radiant birch]

i kinda suspect Turner is deliberately underpowered to try and encourage players to try other guns early game

[patent oyster]

Turner can be above average in pvp but it requires some really specialized builds to make them shine

[loud peak]

Oh? What kind of build

[patent oyster]

Dual turner HAL core ling tai light rifle kite

Its basically the only build that actually uses ling tai to its strengths

Ling tai has the fastest EN recharge in the entire game, at the expense of everything else besides weight

Turner is a rifle thats okay at everything but doesnt hit hard enough

But you can boost the impact of turner with AB

And ling tai+ p10 booster + HAL core (with some good EN management) means you can almost AB everywhere nonstop

Tbh, i feel like good rifle gameplay is predicated on being able to maintain spacing

But since people can close the gap with AB, etsujin has largely supplanted rifles in terms of utility

And thus rifles have become a kite weapon for the most part rather than something used for direct brawling

[radiant birch]

I mean part of that is AC6's range weirdness, where only short and medium range functionally exist outside of highly specific builds

So if you're playing at medium range, which is the sweet spot for rifles, you're kind of de facto kiting since that's the longest range at which combat typically occurs

[modern whale]

Core theory strikes again

[languid sand]

Damn you John core

Removing sniper rifles

You bastard

[grave jolt]

i guess the curtis and the Harris is the closest thing we have to sniper rifles

[wooden nimbus]

There are only two ranges

Close and wrong

[radiant birch]

Sorry, what was that? I can't hear you from my optimal range all the way over here. [plink plink plink]

[wooden nimbus]

This is why we need armored core big team battle

Imagine if you had people skirmishing hot points to control zones while sniper teams set up positions to rain on them and raiders meant to go in and mess them up inside their weak range

[languid sand]

Armored core 6 did the incredible and made it so only one type of build was actually fun to play

[wooden nimbus]

😌 yes I did enjoy Chromehounds

Unironically tho it does feel like suffering when my instinct is machine guns and missiles and I get wiped by a shotgunner or viento+plasma machine instantly

[modern whale]

I am never gonna play against a meta guy

[wooden nimbus]

I am goofy trash you can fight me

[modern whale]

Bet

[radiant birch]

Like I said, Pilot NET fight club all the way

[modern whale]

We can make a contest of who can make the most gimmicky build

[wooden nimbus]

This would be much more rad if we could crossplay

[patent oyster]

Im a jamming main, i feel like i have an advantage in that aspect lol

[languid sand]

You win

[modern whale]

Spice it up, let's see some more gimmicks

[patent oyster]

Meta =/= unbeatable, its still up to the skill of the player whether they're actually using it effectively or not

[modern whale]

I'm aware of that but I'm also like

interested in having fun

[patent oyster]

Now that i think about it, i havent really fought many true meta builds

Most of the competitive players i scrim with arent meta build users

And none of my casual sparring partners are meta users either

[modern whale]

I unlocked pvp last time I played but I'm taking a breather atm

[patent oyster]

Fair, burnout isnt great

Honestly i prefer making fashioncore and cooking up funky builds

Only recently have i dabbled into the pvp scene a bit more deeply

Most of the experienced people aren't that intimidating to talk to and ive found that sparring with them has improved my gameplay a ton

[patent oyster]

Also, id recommend finishing at least 2-3 endings first before diving into pvp

[river junco]

HOLY SHIT

IN THE ENDINGS WHERE THE VASCULAR PLANT AND RUBICON IS VISIBLE

THEY ARENT A SKYBOX

THEY ARE TO SCALE MODELS FOR SOME REASON????

WHY DID THEY DO THAT

[patent oyster]

Because fromsoft is insane

[wooden nimbus]

Very cool

[grave jolt]

Masked Core: BLACK!

(que https://youtu.be/_yZXXpM2qHc?si=Q9VCy0fzqoiffQvO)

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-black-kamen-rider-drive-kamen-rider-toei-company-kotaro-minami-gif-25559553

[modern whale]

Oh yeah

Does anyone have any tips on an LSTR build?

I was thinking on doing one

[covert tide]

Remember our promise...

/ref

[patent oyster]

Nice cosplay build!

[grave jolt]

Thank you!

[polar osprey]

Nice

[grave jolt]

I think it's my best work yet!

[polar osprey]

It looks fantastic

[grave jolt]

https://youtu.be/i-qFQsC2jgk?si=PMvHgpkiDNFdVEvK Otsdarva VS White Glint. (In a Super Robot Wars style! ;3

[patent oyster]

anyone up for some pvp

[kind halo]

iirc you can ping @/AC Nest for that (though unsure if pings work i did try typing it out and it didn't seem to work

[radiant birch]

I would've been if this weren't 3am for me xP

As I feared, timezones

[modern whale]

oh hey PST

[deft bridge]

https://youtu.be/fTudH-L3G4Q?si=3zbk9h9Wqp5ghEoW

just finished this ending

this guy had me kicking my feet and giggling im ngl

[wooden nimbus]

Oh that's cool

I love that

[serene kettle]

meanwhile, in ending c

[wooden nimbus]

Lmao

[deft bridge]

ive gotta check out ending c but playing the game directly through 3 times is a bit much for me, tbh i think they should have just let you do the new missions lol

[serene kettle]

fwiw Ending C's path through is more different than playthrough 2

though there'll definitely be some familiar missions still

[deft bridge]

do i have to spoiler myself here i played it really late but still

[serene kettle]

this chat has largely shed the spoilers, though I try to put them back on when talking to people who haven't done all three routes

really I should maybe have spoilered that image but it's so divorced from context i'm not sure it spoils anything

[deft bridge]

ok i just finished the ||liberate rubicon ending and man they should have taken like a quarter of ayres health and given it to walter lol i felt so bad killing him so quickly, a little anticlimactic really||

[radiant birch]

Tbh I feel like ||Balteus Arquebus|| is the real final boss of the Libration route and ||Walter|| is more of a coda

[serene kettle]

Absolutely

[radiant birch]

Especially because I feel like ||Walter|| is most equivalent to ||Rusty|| from the Fires route

So they just kind of flipped the fight order for Liberation

[serene kettle]

I took the same number of tries for both bosses on my first time through, fwiw

[deft bridge]

i agree i just had to replay to hear all his voicelines 😭

[radiant birch]

I definitely struggled more with ||Ayre||, ||Walter|| did get me a couple of times but no more than I'd expect for a duel with an unfamiliar AC

[serene kettle]

||I like Ayre a lot more as a boss though, the walter fight is kinda just “can you not die to the tracking on coral beams long enough to kill his ass”||

Both took me three tries to beat the first time though

[radiant birch]

Then you did better with ||Ayre|| than I did 😛

[polar osprey]

||Ayre beat me way harder than Walter did||

[serene kettle]

Fwiw Cel-240 kicked my ass way harder than either

[radiant birch]

Oh yeah, no contest

[serene kettle]

That was closer to a couple dozen

[radiant birch]

That thing's a monster

And I never even fought it pre-patch

[polar osprey]

Cel-240 was the easiest boss in the game for me

[deft bridge]

i got a 20 second or lower maybe, clear on ibis on my second playthrough

[polar osprey]

i beat it first try

i've still never lost against it

[serene kettle]

I did! It was mostly similar, just less room for error

It’s easy to cheese the first phase tho

[polar osprey]

Cel-240 is the one boss that i have simply steamrolled completely

[deft bridge]

i died more to the pca helicopter (1) than ||walter|| but ||ayre ||got me a good few times

[serene kettle]

My highest number of deaths was to ch1 balteus tho

[radiant birch]

I think the thing with Cel-240 is that it's tough to hit, but if you can hit it it folds like wet tissue paper

[serene kettle]

Before i got guder

[radiant birch]

So it's a matter of how fast you catch on to being able to target it

[serene kettle]

I think the final count was 49?

[polar osprey]

I went in with dual 4 rockets and machine guns

My strat is to simply never stop shooting

[serene kettle]

I’d heard it was a wall in advance and took screenshots of each death to keep count

[polar osprey]

I've actually beat Cel-240 without taking my fingers off the triggers a few times

It's very funny

[deft bridge]

i got balteus first try, but the thing i died the most to was her and then maybe enforcer before i realized you just cant respect it at all

[serene kettle]

I did not struggle with enforcer. That was a first try slaughter

The first HC at stop the enforcement squads gave me way more trouble

[radiant birch]

It's wild to me how wildly different people's AC6 experiences are

[polar osprey]

I beat Balteus first try also

Went in with shotguns

Did good work

[deft bridge]

yeah my setup i went in with just did nothing to it but dual slow missiles plus attache and pilebunker just turns every boss into an opened can

[serene kettle]

I was still using the turner at the time lmao

[deft bridge]

i somehow have not played this mission 2 runs in

[serene kettle]

And hadn’t learned hardlock or boost kick yet

[serene kettle]

Between that and the cataphract, it’s absolutely the more challenging mission

Not that bad tho

[deft bridge]

ah i picked cataphract the first time and then had to choose it again for the 2nd ending

[serene kettle]

Boss did murder my ass a couple of times tho

You do not need to fight the cataphract for any ending

It does not affect the ending

[deft bridge]

this is probably my lowest number of deaths in any fromsoft game tho it was so fun

[deft bridge]

huh i though i had to do every rlf mission i guess not but either way

[serene kettle]

Well… (c)||I guess there is a mandatory cataphract in ending c||

Nah, the only choice that differentiates endings a and b is Carla or Ayre

There’s an alternative mission set throughout the midgame available starting with ng+, but that path is determined entirely by your choice at attack the dam and does not impact chapter 5

[deft bridge]

this ending definitely probably feels better/ more earned on ng+ when you get more opportunities to help them

[serene kettle]

Agreed

Rather more sudden if this is basically the first positive interaction you’ve had with them

though personally I also like the fight with Rusty a lot more if you've been working with the RLF at least somewhat. The betrayal in his voice feels more earned and real that way

[deft bridge]

my total deaths were like, sub 30 for sure i think, but there should be a counter for funnies at the end of fromsoft titles

i will definitely try ending 3 soonish, 3 straight playthroughs are too much even for a greasy gamer like me

[deft bridge]

but yes this makes me want to do an animatic so bad

[cursive agate]

Yeeeea, I've found using a Long-Mid FCS makes it drastically easier for your AC to line up shots on Cel-240 too.

[serene kettle]

that's fair. I shot through all three but I've been obsessed with armored core for like 15 years

[patent oyster]

https://youtu.be/fTudH-L3G4Q?si=7CoH2DvBwTlh0qz2

[surreal tundra]

yeeee that one was fun XD

[surreal tundra]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa XD

[grave jolt]

Lil bit of (inhale) Picture tiiime~!

My Favorite pics of my HeadBringer II

Rider kick!

Oughta get some more glamour shots, this games camera mode is really sweet.

[grave jolt]

"WaitWaitWait please!!"
"Hm?"
"Remember! Im the captain of the Vesper's 7th squad!...that mean i hold the purse strings!"

"Rider PUNCH!!"
"Wait no plea- EEEAAARGH!!"

"Tch."
"To think that scum would try to bribe me, lowest of the low."
(Que outro theme)

ok picture time's over!

[deft bridge]

swinburne " hey lets talk it out, ill pay you anything," me waiting to answer for his pulse shield to end

"raven im watching your stream why you tryin not to laugh bruh."

[modern whale]

oh right I should go fucking murder swinburne

[deft bridge]

i did say yes once because rokumonsen is cool but i love blowing him up his scream is so visceral hes a goober

[modern whale]

I also gotta customize my armored core properly

I posted my AC slapfight here a bit ago and it's a stock melander with a simple purple and black/grey colour scheme

[deft bridge]

i should share mine too,,, ill have to port the screenshots off of the ps5 tho,,,

[modern whale]

Found it

[deft bridge]

the green lights look nice

[modern whale]

Oh 100%

It's a great machine for hurting things

[deft bridge]

my current 3rd playthrough AC

i really like how the melander arms with the shoulder plate look with the alba legs

[modern whale]

oh nice lmao I am like

still on playthrough one

[modern whale]

It gives Gundam

[deft bridge]

yeah since im on break im just nolifing all 3 endings it back to back lol i like this game a lot

[deft bridge]

for sure the frame the legs come from is the most gundamy in the game by a longshot

[modern whale]

I really need to go make a gundam build

laser rifle, keep the pulse blade, white on blue, red and yellow

hunt down some fanmade EarthFed emblems

[patent oyster]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1236600762940002466/1251821234841194497/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_40.mp4?ex=666ff8e0&is=666ea760&hm=c59488540fdbaccc5dbd4a734d5137ad8c83f8a553ae42f94df49602eaa0b63f&

@eager vector

[deft bridge]

fun question i saw, who wins in a fight between every souls protagonist including wolf and the hunter all teaming up vs 621? all are at max level endgame

[languid sand]

Post game?

[modern whale]

Depends, is anyone a mage build?

If not I don't really think they have much of a shot, mechs are an entirely different ballpark from anything in the souls verse

And the just sheer disparity of speed/maneuvering

[radiant birch]

clashing beam struggle between Comet Azur and a fully charged coral rifle shot, go

[sinful stirrup]

sidestepped, killed instantly by a single multi-lock missile volley

[deft bridge]

yeah all postgame everyone can have all their most powerful stuff, i think raven wins but i think it could be closer than you'd think, the mortal blade, various sorceries and magic blades the hunter probably gets immediately liquified by a jdam but idk they fight golems and malenia/radahn and shit so i think it could be done, especially since its a gank but i think its like 2:8

maybe 1:9 if 621 is really lame about it lol

when the ashen one does the greatbow machine gun glitch

tranquil walk of peace, gravity sorceries, dark bolt, giant arrows are probably as powerful as needle launcher the fact that they can dodge a missile by rolling slightly to the left, i think its a long shot, but i think even someone in full havels still gets put on a tshirt if they're hit once

[keen hedge]

There's just a scale problem, ACs are enormous, on top of all the speed and firepower

[languid sand]

Honestly post true ending Bloodborne protag would sweep

[deft bridge]

how big is an AC in 6? my mind says like about the size of a guardian golem from elden ring

fromsoft scaling is inconsistent sometimes not that its a huge deal

[keen hedge]

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/A2T7ygP3LKgTPxdVStBkzW.jpg

Not as big as I thought but Large

[deft bridge]

10.3 meters on average

tbh id say hes a good gauge to what at least the elden ring protag can take on he can shoot massively fast missiles, is fast enough to enter the stratosphere

still, 621 might clear, man i love these games thinking about this is so fun

[keen hedge]

That's like Radahn's supermove though, ACs just move might that

[deft bridge]

mikiris ur pilebunker

[surreal tundra]

10m tall, they kinda always have been- except for gen5 which are deliberately smaller

[surreal tundra]

given some time to acclimate maybe- still a babby that one IIRC,

tho- then again, post-3rd ending for 621 might also- hrm, ambiguity makes it hard, but they're probably also ||somehow coral ascended or something, iunno, it's wild lmao- at the least it could mean multiple AC bodies||

[modern whale]

immovable object vs unstoppable force

[patent oyster]

I read this as "every fromsoft protag" and was thinking that the AC4A and AC4 player characters would body 621 no contest

[languid sand]

Nexts are just fucked on so many levels

[surreal vine]

Kojima particles v. Coral moment

[loud peak]

Considering that most of the Great Ones you see were still vulnerable to getting stabbed, why wouldn't guns work

[serene kettle]

Okay but unironically I'm just picturing Golden Parry insta-staggering a mech

[surreal tundra]

in terms of "bullshit that they allow" I'd say that they could probably pull off similar performance given similar tech levels/tech base/development- though Coral en mass is like- waaay more "everything-applicable" and energetic if it actually was set to blow, just less immediately hazardous.

[surreal tundra]

like- the ||SOL-644s and to a lesser but still relevant extent the CEL-240|| are the closest NEXT analogues we get, and they're all technically 50 or so years behind, while losing to Raven-621 is- well, they're an AC protag, they're kinda unstoppably bullshit pilots by default/narratively, so if there's an infinitesmally small chance of winning- they'd probably take those odds and make it work

[ember carbon]

Coral is definitely the more volatile as opposed to the radioactive nightmare that is Kojima

[surreal tundra]

Like- Coral not only explodes, it multiplies even as it explodes/burns, like how it is in the Karman line- and it still does fucky things to material given how it doesn't interact normally with the other defensive stats/types. Kojima particles are radioactive and actively material-eating, while Coral mainly does that (minus radioactivity) when it's set to burn/detonate, it seems, i.e. the mines detonation/'poison swamp' mission,

in terms of cleanup if you had to do it- I think the PA attenuators/tech around manipulating kojima particles could easily lend itself to letting you scrape it from the environment, like running around with a giant magnet, while Coral would be multiplying and also someitmes comes alive and makes the cleanup- well, maybe easier, maybe harder? actually I guess that might be more of a ??? lmao,

[surreal tundra]

*and also no one's been doing the cleanup for kojima particles cuz there's way too friggin much being used/produced all the time anyways,

[serene kettle]

Line Ark was trying to do cleanup.

The corporations didn’t appreciate it

[surreal tundra]

Line Ark was also a small nation with just the one NEXT,

and yeap,

corpo power

tho-

then again,

[ember carbon]

If only they just put the reactors in space and beamed the power down yes I know about the assault cells

[surreal tundra]

White Glint and Anatolia's mercenary were bullshit lmao

[surreal tundra]

those bloody assault cells, they lost the fucking controls for them lmao

goddess, the bloody corps,

[ember carbon]

Yep if they just were able to deactivate them this whole mess could have been avoided

[serene kettle]

I stole this plot point for a game once. The master control unit for the kill sat network was located on the moon and missing some parts.

[surreal tundra]

I remember someone saying that Kojima particles might be better used in space- tho I'd wonder about cleanup and also now space is full of mega-radioactive-material-eating particles goddessdang- unless they were really careful with cleanup/containment

[surreal tundra]

lmao, yeeesh, catch 22 or something

[serene kettle]

One faction was aware of this because one of their failed moon mission astronauts survived a crash landing and managed to relay info back, desperately hoping for rescue

They didn’t try.

[surreal tundra]

tangent back to Coral tech- the shields on the worm for example, those things were friggin bullshit, protection and digging through material all at once,

[surreal tundra]

yeesh

[ember carbon]

Yeah both techs have their examples of nonsense

[surreal tundra]

all that was 50 years stagnant- and the metal/material sciences they used for things must have been fucking ridiculous-

[serene kettle]

Armored Core has never exactly been hard science fiction

[surreal tundra]

so much in AC6 is like- so hardy,

[surreal tundra]

it hasn't, especially with the phloebotium or whatever for each gen- well, more applicable in gen4 and gen6 (maybe gen5)

[serene kettle]

Honestly it’d have to be just to exist at the scale it does, with the square cube law in effect

[surreal tundra]

exactly!
like- the grid

the fucking grid- and those things survive pretty much everything except the coral detonation at the watchpoint

[ember carbon]

Yeah AC6 and AC4 have ridiculous Mega structures and machines

[surreal tundra]

the other gens have their own too,

megastructures at the very least,

[serene kettle]

My favorite is the fucking vascular plant in Ch5

[surreal tundra]

goddess- yeah

[serene kettle]

That thing is just

What

[surreal tundra]

literally past the clouds into space

[ember carbon]

That thing is absurd I can say confidently it is the most extreme feat of engineering in any AC game

[surreal tundra]

Rubicon is like- look, it's gotta be at least the mass of earth, there's really nothing mentioning how humans have to adapt to different gravity on Rubicon

if it's actually somehow denser than earth so that it's smaller in volume, like some theorizing goes, that's- wait, no, that'd still make you heavier

hang on, hrm,

no- applying that is tough, ah well,

[surreal tundra]

it is- even if you stretched it out into a few months

at least the other things in AC you can kinda say they made them a while back/in like 5 years or whatever,

but the vascular plant is- way more massive,

also don't forget the PCA satellites, they're friggin huge too IIRC lmao,

annnnd the Xylem, i forgot but I think that one's 27km?, and there's nothing that dissuades the notion that they made more of them

[surreal tundra]

and I'm pretty sure they went almost everywhere on Rubicon, especially before the fires

[ember carbon]

Yeah AC6 is ridiculous with its scale admittedly they are also (to my knowledge) the only AC civilization that has gone interstellar

[surreal tundra]

*TBF I think Rubicon was relatively built up/industrialized, but- yeah, that's the standard for AC6 humanity since at least 50 years or so back I guess,

[surreal tundra]

Gen2 I think went to Mars for example, but yeah, only AC6 apparently went far enough- and apparently has some way to move between solar systems in a timely enough manner that they can do announcements and lockdowns etc. in any meaningful way, hrm,

[hidden comet]

ive gotten back into ac6 and i instantly made a fucked up trans spidermech with bad posture

[radiant birch]

As is good and right

[eager vector]

Fuck yeah

[hidden comet]

however i am stuck against the fuckass balteus

[eager vector]

This loadout works even better on a quad https://youtu.be/eciuWaaPPGE?si=KmqHwg7rkD-bQTR6

due to ignoring firing stance while in hover mode

[hidden comet]

my next build idea was something similair yeah, just with the hand weapons being thr fuckin uh. anti pulse shield satellite lookin gun

tho i will defintly try that out ona qaud because holy fuck you shredded that thing

with the caveat of i suck at the game so my results will vary lmao

[cursive agate]

Pulse Armor like Balt's barrier only cares about Impact + PA Interference, keeping that in mind makes shields a lot easier to tear through.

[hidden comet]

right

the thing that fucks me over is i am so bad at avoiding the bullet hell of missiles

[cursive agate]

Mmm, I think it's especially rough for slower builds/moving away

[hidden comet]

yeah

i domt think my builds are that slow but ive been at this for a cummultive like 10 hours

so

my brains sort of fried

[cursive agate]

What's the stats on your build, and are you using hard lock to keep track of Balt easier?

[hidden comet]

as for the build i cant really tell you cus i swith it constantly to try new stuff so i can feel like im progressing, second i migt be?? how do i do hard lock again

[cursive agate]

on controller at least it's pressing right stick, would need to check keybinds on keyboard + mouse. (moving camera while hard-lock is focused on something makes it break lock)

[hidden comet]

mm gotcha

ive probably been breaking hard lock accidentally then

[eager vector]

Not realizing that I was doing that is what made that fight a major hurdle for me my first time haha

[deft bridge]

balteus in my experience ( and lots of non light AC bosses) gets put on a milk carton by the active homing missiles, he stays still too much and they punch through pulse armor even not being pulse

[serene kettle]

are the active homing missiles...good now? I remember testing them when the game was new and finding them very weak

[deft bridge]

they were pretty good if you know how to corall things into them, two volleys of them will just instantly ACS anything in the game though i usually use it only on one shoulder, enemies dodge everything else and that slow ass homing missile plods through the air often catching them off guard

[radiant birch]

I find them good if you're using them to layer on pressure with other weapons. On their own they're not great

[cursive agate]

Active Homing is very unplesant to get hit by, but they're very much a pressure tool first.

[radiant birch]

Honestly I like them more in PVP than PVE. They're kind of a dueling-focused weapon

I did discover that the single missile version has a pretty quick reload time that almost makes up for the double version firing twice as many missiles. That was fun to play with for a bit

[deft bridge]

i think they are great for brute forcing past Non AC boss fights because those bosses stay still pretty often, enforcer for instance, and even CEL-240

ive never actually tried pvp ive heard its,,, polarizing?

[radiant birch]

It's fun, except that it sucks, except that it's fun

[serene kettle]

It’s fun with friends

I dislike it with online sweats tho

[radiant birch]

Basically if you walk in knowing and accepting that you're going to be dealing with the usual Fromsoft issues with balance and netcode you will probably get some enjoyment out of it

But if you need a really tightly balanced PVP experience to have fun then you're gonna have a bad time

[eager vector]

when I was doing PvP, it was less sweaty the lower ranked you were, so once you were seeing an enjoyable degree of challenge you could just stop ranking up. Dunno if that’s still true.

[patent oyster]

https://youtu.be/XyJ7bnQOFJI?si=OxTd2KGR77KPvcle

[deft bridge]

how did i just get the RLF Hand fingers thing

[serene kettle]

it took me embarrassingly long too

[deft bridge]

i think i dont think i missed much like symbolism/lore but that ones painfully obvious i tried watching a vaati vid about secrets and it was like "did you know the juggernaut fires at you before the wall" lol

the only other one was all the weapons named after entomologists which is super sick

[hidden comet]

yeah that was my exprience as well

i tried usign them and it felt like i couldnt do shit with them

[hidden comet]

hopeuflly i wont fuck it up when i try again later

[eager vector]

Just don’t touch the camera stick and you should be good!

[patent oyster]

@polar osprey i actually have a similar build to Pale Painter Ruber

Its my "turn brain off and queue ranked on the weekend" build

Uses HAL legs, dual auroras, and ve20b gen instead of mind beta, dual 4 cell missiles, and coral gen

[polar osprey]

nice

[patent oyster]

https://x.com/EDFHQ/status/1803900883845157381

喪阿本部 (@EDFHQ) on X

621、仕事の時間だ。

火を点けろ、燃え残った全てに…

#エルデンリング
#ELDENRING #AC6

Twitter · Jun 20, 2024, 9:21 PM

[patent oyster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIVYVDmbf9Y

[radiant birch]

man, i just cannot figure out how to deal with light builds

even with target tracking cranked up as much as i can manage, i'm still missing like 95% of my shots

[cursive agate]

I've heard for player ACs, there's a short duration of off-target when tracking someone using/after QB-ing.

[languid sand]

shotguns and fuckery

[radiant birch]

change my playstyle entirely, got it 😛

[languid sand]

don't look at me

that is my playstyle and I haven't had an issue

you could try kiting them and hitting them with something heavy

but the way ac6 works heavily favours huge burst damage with high stun

[radiant birch]

yeah.......

me and my rifle kites

[wooden nimbus]

I simply press buttons

My missiles and machine guns 😌

[deft bridge]

happy 6/21 y'all

[shell nymph]

any reason to use the 3-cell plasmas over the single? they look basically identical stat-wise

[cursive agate]

Plasma missiles? I think the direct-fire (3/6) do the same damage, but the 6-shot covers more area.

[shell nymph]

ahh yeah that makes sense

[modern hornet]

I've honestly preferred the vertical-launch Plasma Missiles, myself. The vertical trajectory and proximity-detonation just makes them much more reliable imo.

[shell nymph]

true actually

i’m just trying to find ways to make the most Fun and Normal firmeza zippy build

especially tryna return to trueno gaming

[patent oyster]

Plasma AoE from a single launcher doesnt stack btw (like with plasma missiles, VVC plasma rifle, just things that have multiple AoEs)

The plasma AoE will cover a wider area, but hitting an enemy with multiple AoEs from the same weapon doesnt actually deal more damage

[patent oyster]

https://youtu.be/ytgp4a0D6Yw

[wooden nimbus]

I didn't expect that music mashup to work so well, good vid

[patent oyster]

Not my remix

I wish i could be as good as him

[wooden nimbus]

Still

[keen hedge]

They really ought to bring Balteus' classic missiles back, it was so visually stunning

[patent oyster]

The slower missiles are genuinely so much less of a threat

[languid sand]

Ac6 needs this design

It's just so peak

[quasi copper]

this guy looks like a Jesta Cannon

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/gundam/images/f/f4/Rgm-96x-cannon.jpg

[languid sand]

Add the jesta cannon too

It's so peak

[quasi copper]

it IS

[surreal vine]

The MELANDER set is based on these Crest parts heavily

[languid sand]

It just doesn't have that same sauce

[surreal vine]

Though I do wish they'd bring back the supplementary shoulder parts etc

[radiant birch]

i just had a brief vision of a version of AC6 that has single-fire rockets as an optional part kinda like MWO has

[serene kettle]

I miss the AC2 large rocket pods sometimes

manual aim only, but the most horrifyingly efficient damage you've ever seen

[wooden nimbus]

My beloved.

[surreal tundra]

TBH I still don't quite get what the center spike is supposed to be mzbnxcvb
A radiator? a gun that'll swivel to shoot at missiles like some cores tend to???

[loud peak]

Yeah, AA gun

For shooting down incoming missiles

Memory serves cores in the older games you have to pick between several options of core auxiliaries I think

They did away with that in AC4

[languid sand]

Handler Walter is a char

[serene kettle]

The gun is actually functional ingame too

it's a passive effect but when missiles are approaching from the front it'll absolutely try to shoot some down so they explode early

[wooden nimbus]

Yeah the chest gun was a CIWS iirc

[modern hornet]

It's specifically called an Anti-Missile System iirc, but yeah, it was basically a chest-mounted laser gun whose only purpose is to detect, track, and try to shoot down incoming missiles. Dummy easy to overwhelm without an Extension to back it up, though, and even with one there's no guarantee you'll catch every guided warhead flying in your general direction.

You only ever see it on Crest Industries core parts in 3rd gen, though. Mirage and Kisaragi weren't smart enough to include innate missile defenses in their Core Parts for whatever reason.

[patent oyster]

https://youtu.be/6HilAuAFQbk?si=CxgAU_4xMjjN9-Lz

[loud peak]

Thought they have OB instead

[surreal tundra]

wasn't like that in the PS1 games, tho I guess that might just be a limitation of things,

[serene kettle]

that started in AC2

[surreal tundra]

makes sense, it was definitely there by Gen3

[surreal tundra]

awww~
nostalgic music or iunno XD

[surreal tundra]

the turrets lock down places... and you can run around and kite lmao

[patent oyster]

https://youtube.com/shorts/1g4pIc34Vyg?feature=share

[eager vector]

Nah core parts generally either had CIWS or EOs, though a rare few had neither in exchange for more optional slots and generally higher stats

[languid sand]

I gotta say the orbitals were pretty cool

[modern hornet]

Actually, the presence of CIWS is not mutually exclusive with other features a 3rd Gen Core Part might have. It's specifically exclusive to Crest Industries Cores, which come with the built-in laser Anti-Missile System regardless of if they're a Standard Core with hangar slots, an Over Boost Core, or an Exceed Orbit Core (Crest did manufacture two EO Cores).

[eager vector]

Oh right thank you

[languid sand]

Crest supremacy

[wooden nimbus]

All I know is the default mono eye ecl-one frame Emeraude made in AC2 is my vibe and I wish shoulder extensions would come back

I want my relation missiles

I want aperitif style delayed launch relation missiles 😭

RaD could name it the LUNCHBOX

[serene kettle]

Relation missiles even on a shoulder part would be cool to have back

just pair with hand missiles on the same side and it's one less button to mash and keep track of 😛

[wooden nimbus]

I love missile

But I love machine gun more

[languid sand]

I miss the aesthetic

[wooden nimbus]

Old school AC do have a good vibe to it

[languid sand]

I don't know why but ac6 just lacks the aesthetic of armored core

[surreal tundra]

I never figured out how relation missiles worked mnzxbcxcv

[surreal tundra]

yeah, it'd be cool to have those things back- even as like an additional optional thing- I think that its' best that everyone gets OB/AB tho, so Iunno what the cores that originally only got those would get lmao, I guess it's probs not that hard to work out
Fingers crossed the next games have even more to add nzbcx

[wooden nimbus]

You have some missiles equipped and when they lock on and fire the relation missiles also fire

[eager vector]

You probably weren’t hitting the button to activate your extensions

they aren’t on by default

[wooden nimbus]

It's a funny toggle switch thing

[surreal tundra]

Oh, huh, I guess I just couldn't tell,
Fair enough!

[patent oyster]

Does anyone here know any decal wizards on xbox?

[patent oyster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvPGE0kCI-g

[eager vector]

lmao I was just admiring the soft lock use when you whiffed the kick

[polar osprey]

strongest Nightfall vs. weakest Loader 4

[patent oyster]

it do be like that sometimes lmao

[patent oyster]

Actually if you're talking about the one at 1:44, that kick actually connected somehow

You can see Nightfall's AP bar getting chipped even though my leg was nowhere near on target lol

[eager vector]

lmao

[radiant birch]

Average Fromsoft moment

[patent oyster]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_npEsS2yYw8XEukDteutNEBMg7AKc6Cd0Y&si=qGdQe5htfTgmXEjf

Not the full disc 3

But at least these got a full release

[polar osprey]

👀

[patent oyster]

https://youtu.be/1MVaLwaXckU?si=E1v0NQYw_lM_iccP

(NG++ spoilers)

[quick hatch]

https://discordapp.com/channels/426286410496999425/1159920094885990561/1259892880546336768

[patent oyster]

https://youtu.be/fhAPJEa6oEM?si=nI19lhgnYYLlzn6_

[chrome wigeon]

my friend is playing AC6

said

"I made a horrendous mistake. I shouldn't have installed this game. I need to go to sleep today."

[eager vector]

real

[polar osprey]

real

[radiant birch]

"merc with a fried brain" actually does not refer to the side effects of 621's augmentation surgery, it refers to the player contracting severe brainrot from playing the game

[patent oyster]

https://youtu.be/dzAKj7NR7bk?si=O5onQI6Ql1_7jvpQ

i actually put a decent amount of effort into this one

[chrome bronze]

So I’ve been thinking about Iguazu again and like, I don’t really get the idea he corrupted Allmind or whatever

Allmind clearly wanted us and Ayre dead anyway and was just using him to kill us

Him overpowering her in the final fight using pure hater energies was just him killing us on his own terms

Without her support or C Weapons to back him up

[surreal vine]

I always read ALLMIND's motivation there as desiring forced assimilation into her gestalt or whatever, not so much "kill them both for good"

Still bad

[chrome bronze]

Yah, Allmind seems to assimilate every other pilot she uses so it does fit her MO

[quasi copper]

again, Kate Markson, her assassin persona, pilots AC "TRANSCRIBER"

ALLMIND's MO is downing pilots and assimilating them when they won't cooperate

[small stone]

Don't get why people don't like the ac6 ost

[winter sigil]

for me it just lacks serious amounts of oomf

i wanted it to be like the ost in project wingman and it just wasn't and i ended up playing my own dramatic mecha music over the big tough fights

[serene kettle]

I wouldn't say I dislike it, but it impresses me less than some past Armored Core soundtracks

it does have some kickass standout tracks though. C-Weapon and Contact with You are absolute bangers

[languid sand]

It doesn't hit anywhere near as hard as the past soundtracks

[small stone]

Yeah but

[languid sand]

Even the bangers aren't on the levels of the others

[small stone]

I have no experience with those

I loved ac6

[languid sand]

Disk 3 is a banger

[small stone]

It hit hard for me

[languid sand]

I'm going to give you a list

Remember

Mechanized memories

Artificial skies

Milk

Nine

Something is moving on the surface

Shining

Any version of Cosmos

Lithium

Thinker

Goodbye Thinker

I'm sure there are others but I don't remember

[small stone]

I see

Thank you

[languid sand]

No problem

[serene kettle]

Goodbye Thinker is a fan remix but yeah that's a pretty good list, if heavily weighted toward gen 3 and 4

[languid sand]

I fucking love armored core music

Goodbye Thinker is that good

To be fair

[serene kettle]

I'm not disagreeing

[languid sand]

I forgot about gen 2 and 1

Those were just my favorites

[serene kettle]

9 is Gen 1! but the whole Gen 1 soundtrack is utterly burned into my brain and I'm struggling to pick just one "yeah this one rules" example

[languid sand]

Gen 1 is a vibe

But for some reason all I can think about is nine

[serene kettle]

9 is iconic for good reason

[languid sand]

It is burned into my brain

I especially love the remix that adds exactly 1 lyric

That being

DESTROY NINEBALL

[serene kettle]

9, Circulation, Apex in Circle, Grip, Junk Mail, Shape Memory Alloys, High Fever...there are too many good choices

[languid sand]

Apex in a circle is a banger

Oh yeah

Pleasant parks

[serene kettle]

For Gen 2 I'm a big fan of Cord e and U Turn

[languid sand]

Cord e is good

I feel like gen 2 is kind of an under developed generation

[serene kettle]

It is, it's still firmly separate from Gen 3 but mechanically Gen 3 fleshed it out a lot

[languid sand]

Exactly

I do love the style though

And mars is cool

Plus Leos was good antagonist

[serene kettle]

mhm! I also actually respect a lot that they tried to kinda build things up in Gen 2 into a different story with a different setting for a bit. It's no longer the level of dystopian post-apoc AC1 was

Whereas AC3 kind of went right back to AC1's setting, effectively

(though that ultimately kind of went off in its own direction too)

[languid sand]

But ac3 was underground

But yeah I would really like more ac games to go full urban combat in busy cities

And like a battle across skyscrapers

Like the opening for nexus

[serene kettle]

AC1 was also mostly underground in terms of where people lived, though there was more surface operation than AC3 for sure (in that there was surface operation at all - AC3 just kinda had simulated surface zones in large underground areas with climate control)

[languid sand]

Ac3 was basically ac1 2

[serene kettle]

yeah

[languid sand]

It's cool but like

[serene kettle]

though I actually think what they did with the controller was very interesting, ultimately

[languid sand]

It could a bit more

The controller basically was a more developed NINEBALL

[serene kettle]

I don't think so - its similarity more or less extends to "is the eventual antagonist" and "is an AI"

[languid sand]

It has build up is the point

[serene kettle]

Hustler One was a chessmaster trying to keep humanity fighting itself in small ways, but in a way that prevented the development or deployment of weapons of mass destruction so that humanity wouldn't destroy itself nearly completely again.

[languid sand]

No offense to gen 1

But hustler 1 kind of just happened

It lacked a lot of build up

[serene kettle]

Whereas the controller's primary goal in being an increasingly overt antagonist seems to have effectively been to provoke humanity into killing it instead of worshipping it

[languid sand]

Like I get it was implied at the beginning of ac1 but they kind of just drop it all on you

[serene kettle]

because it wanted to die

[languid sand]

Damn

I keep forgetting these games can have really cool stories

But still

Chief best AI

[serene kettle]

yeah storywise I actually really love AC3, it's an interesting look into a society with an immortal god-king who happens to be a machine

and whose increasingly erratic behavior gets reacted to differently by different people - some begin to worry but don't act, others flatly rebel, some insist the lord is right and back it no matter what

[patent oyster]

100%

[languid sand]

Best quote in AC history

Half destroyed should be dead

Laughs his ass off and says

"Humans are just so damn interesting"

I love this dude

[serene kettle]

it's a good bit

ACV had some issues but it definitely had its moments

[languid sand]

I love the style

It just feels so dirty and brutal

And overed weapons were awesome

[patent oyster]

As a newcomer to the series, seeing someone quote that line under the Stain (final version) video on youtube got me interested in the other games (besides 4A, always wanted to play that)

[languid sand]

Thanks Stalin

Real hero

[polar osprey]

This is a Steel Haze (Rusted Pride and Rough and Decent (Bad Joke) moment

[serene kettle]

Stain is another banger I don't think I've seen mentioned

[polar osprey]

I've only heard Mechanized Memories and Something is always moving on the surface but Steel Haze (Rusted Pride) and Rough and Decent (Bad Joke) are absolutely on the same level as those two

[languid sand]

Wait that's not Stalin

Why did I read Stalin?

[serene kettle]

I don't know

[languid sand]

The brain rot has settled in

[polar osprey]

It's terminal

[languid sand]

You got to understand mechanized memories in the moment

You are a guy in what is essentially a poorly modded mt going to finally defeat those assholes who have been fucking with you and your pals the entire game.

And then a fucking next shows up playing a cooler remix of the mass murder theme

[polar osprey]

I know the context

I'm telling you that Steel Haze (Rusted Pride) and Rough and Decent (Bad Joke) are just as good

Fighting Rusty in his Gundam and Carla acting as a ghost of the past trying to stop history from repeating itself are imo just as powerful contexts as fighting Mr.War is my everything and his bootleg nuclear god machine

[patent oyster]

Steel haze where truths meet is by far the best version imo

[polar osprey]

I could not possibly disagree more personally

It has grown on me a lot though

I REALLY disliked it the first time i heard it

Not anymore though

Still kinda hate Rough and Decent (Natural Behaviour)

It just like, dulls every part of Rough and Decent (Bad Joke) that i like and muddles the rest of it behind a bunch of other instruments

Toning down that fucking piano segment from Rough and Decent (Bad Joke) is a crime

[languid sand]

I love the kazoo

It's a fucking baller instrument

I find a lot of the music in ac6 is too serious and moody

Ac music at its best makes you want to dance and move with it

Or at least smile

There isn't enough of a beat to steel haze

Rough and descent fucks though

[river junco]

I don’t really like AC music before 4 tbh

Too much like club music lol

Or like… weird electronic midi lol

[languid sand]

That's the vibe I love

Makes me wanna bust a move while committing paid terrorism

[modern hornet]

Considering a challenge run through AC6. Can freely customize, but I can only do the Arena and training sims at the very end.

[serene kettle]

oh that's interesting. The training sims are mostly not an enormous loss (aside from not having access to Alulas and more restricted earlygame parts) but no OST is definitely a challenge run

[winter sigil]

no weapons bays or terminal armor would've driven me insane lol good luck if you try it

[serene kettle]

no boost kick is the one that's a giant oof from me

[modern hornet]

Well, I've got a few missions before I decide if I'm going no OST or not since I'm starting from scratch, anyway.

[patent oyster]

No core expansion is manageable, no weapons bays is a bit more restrictive, but yeah no boost kick? That has such high utility that it would take a bit to adjust to not having it

[radiant birch]

Not for me, I'm crap at landing it 😛

This may contribute to my preference for kiting

[serene kettle]

I wouldn't miss weapon bays, I'd miss assault armor a little but could deal, no boost kick is "oh no" territory

[wooden nimbus]

Boost kick is a significant part of my win contribution

RJ player

[modern hornet]

Alright, unlocked the arena. Decision gate time on if I'm serious about this being a challenge run...

Yeah, think I'll make this the challenge run. No OST for me until the very definitely final mission.

[wooden nimbus]

Forgive me Master I must go all out just this once

[serene kettle]

for clarity, is this one playthrough or an extended NG++ all-three-endings approach?

[modern hornet]

the latter

[serene kettle]

oh gosh

[languid sand]

Baller

I recommend blasting mechanized memories or shining to motivate yourself

It's how I beat zinaida

[quasi copper]

Mechanized Memories awakens the AC pilot in us all

[languid sand]

It activates my entire brain

[surreal tundra]

hoooboi,
GL!

[modern hornet]

Got to Ch.3 without too much trouble before I decided to let my PS4 controller recharge

[languid sand]

Nice

[polar osprey]

I should do a challenge run of the game at some point

[modern hornet]

Back at my challenge run. Eliminate the Enforcement Squads actually forced me to have to take two tries at it since I also went after Ring Freddie.

And I was running the thiccest AC one can possibly make at this point of NG for that mission, too, since I know very well how painful it can be. Basho Head, Tian-Qiang Core, Tian-Lao Arms, and Bornemissza legs.

Pretty sure the only way to make it any chonkier is when the VE parts get unlocked.

[serene kettle]

Surprised you went after Eliminate the Enforcement Squads first - most people seem to agree the Cataphract is the easier of those two missions 😛

[modern hornet]

I specifically go after the Cataphract when I'm going for the good ending. Probably not optimal, but it be how I've been running my playthroughs.

[radiant birch]

Enforcement Squads + Ring Freddie is a tough run, i'm impressed that you did it in two tbh

that was one of the missions that made me go "fuck it, missile rat"

in fact it might have been the one i specifically made my missile rat build for, now that i think of it

(the build in question is saved as "Fuck You, Missiles" which is pretty indicative of where my head was at when i made it)

[modern hornet]

Took me two tries because first try I was... a bit less than judicious with my Repair Kits (and ironically enough, I killed the HC like a second after it killed me). Apart from that, I just bulldozed the entire thing with twin Gatlings and twin Vertical Plasma Missiles.

Smart? Probably not. Precise? Definitely not. Satisfying? Oh hell yes.

[radiant birch]

lack of precision in fire can be made up for in volume

[modern hornet]

Ork law of accuracy: fire enough dakka at something, and you're gonna hit eventually.

[modern hornet]

Okay, I don't even know how I managed to pull that off. Killed the Qubeley by ramming it as the finishing blow.

[serene kettle]

without boost kick? wow

[languid sand]

Damn wrong zeta mobile suit

Also they should bring back the lockbox and turn speeds

[modern hornet]

Turn speeds could be interesting to see make a return. The targeting box I could take it or leave it.

So, turns out flamethrower is good for limiting how many suicide drones you need to deal with.

[languid sand]

I love the target box so much

That and turn speeds do so much for the AC gameplay in my opinion

Without them it just works less

[surreal tundra]

saem

[patent oyster]

(Going to delete and reupload this one with a different title because youtube really doesn't like it)

[serene kettle]

What the hell is this mashup lol

[wooden nimbus]

Amazing

I need that mashup

[waxen nest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxkgdQLv_nI&t=0s

apparently its a triple-q one

checks out

[patent oyster]

yup, i always link the stuff i use in the description

[modern hornet]

Alright, cleared the first leg of my Challenge Run last night

Time for the second part

[modern hornet]

So, starting up NG+, and Scudder+melee seems to work well with Basho Arms. Just ran the first two missions with that combo, and have only missed from target alignment on a moving/freshly-acquired target so far.

Current setup:

• R-Arm Unit: RF-025 SCUDDER Assault Rifle
• L-Arm Unit: WB-0010 DOUBLE TROUBLE Chainsaw (currently)
• R-Back Unit: SB-033M MORLEY Spread Bazooka
• L-Back Unit: Vvc-70VPM Plasma Missile Launcher
• Head: HD-033M VERRILL
• Core: VP-40S
• Arms: AA-J-123 BASHO
• Legs: LG-011 MELANDER
• Booster: BST-G2/P06SPD, currently considering FLUEGEL/21Z
• FCS: IB-C03F: WLT 001, currently considering FC-008 TALBOT
• Generator: currently flip-flopping between the IA-C01G: AORTA and IB-C03G: NGI 000

[patent oyster]

https://youtu.be/aUpZ1bEdX_g?si=J1QscDrcQsHkpt_Z

(Reuploaded with more editing and overall improvements)

[white wedge]

new to the game and wanted to get some tips for a mid-long range setup
had some luck with this, still only in chapter 1
is this any good?

(tank threads are essential because tank therads are superior0

[polar osprey]

give me a moment to boot up the game and try it out

@white wedge this should be a perfectly fine build

personally i'd switch out the gen and there are technically speaking better fcs to pick from but i don't know what you have access to exactly rn

but this is not a bad setup overall

[white wedge]

very not much stuff

[polar osprey]

yeah i thought so

no yeah this is a pretty solid setup

you're going to need to practice with the shield to make full use of it but it seems really helpful if you can get the timing on using it right

[white wedge]

other options are 02 ling-tai, 06 ming-tang or vp-20d

yeah, was thinking about it

[polar osprey]

especially with the AC being slower since it's a tank

[white wedge]

i'm gonna use it until i'm better at dodging

[polar osprey]

using the shield to block the bigger attacks and taking the smaller ones on the healthbar

[white wedge]

other FCS i got are not medium range but yeah

just wanted a quick help with it cause i have no fucking clue what i'm oding

[polar osprey]

i think Ming Tang is going to be better if you can manage your energy well

[white wedge]

i just strapped cool stuff onto my mech and called it a day

better period i guess

god i'm blind

[polar osprey]

it doesn't waste any stats on energy firearm spect which your build just doesn't need and it has mostly better stats

[polar osprey]

it's fine

[polar osprey]

also nah

[white wedge]

ah right

[polar osprey]

it has WAAAAAAAAAY worse post supply

[white wedge]

the dreaded "toggle display" button

uh

[polar osprey]

which means you wanna manage your EN

[white wedge]

o yea

i'm not sure if i'm ever gonna use energy weapons

they feel weird and soft

[polar osprey]

post-recovery supply means how much energy you get when it starts recharging afer you exhaust it

[white wedge]

not like a true 120mm shell going BWONG

[polar osprey]

which means with the other VP20s you get a lot more EN back immediately you start regenerating energy

but the Ming Tang is kinda better at everything else

[white wedge]

oh btw

[polar osprey]

so if you manage your EN well and don't exhaust it constantly, you shouldn't run into too much trouble

[polar osprey]

ye?

[white wedge]

is there no way to go form assembly to buy/sell menu
do i gotta go through all those buttons just to compare the ones i got with the ones in store

photo mode in the garage? insane

[polar osprey]

if you look at an item in the shop

you can see what stats change in the spec menu

but yeah if you wanna get a like, perfect comparison you kinda gotta switch between the menu's i think

[white wedge]

yeah

if i wanna compare say 3 machines guns i got to the 3 in the store, for example

oh well

[polar osprey]

yeah

[white wedge]

Are linear rifles any good?

[polar osprey]

they can definitely be

[white wedge]

name linear just kinda screams energy to me, but it's phys so like

threw me for a loop

[polar osprey]

they have a charge up iirc

[white wedge]

ye

[polar osprey]

i'm a machine gun kinda gal

i haven't much used Linear Rifles

but they are pretty good iirc

[white wedge]

aight

big question

is there any big drum weapons

like a proper gatling or sumtin

[polar osprey]

yes

[white wedge]

time ot play more game

[polar osprey]

GL

have fun

[white wedge]

currently recovering logs

[polar osprey]

smort

[white wedge]

rusty logs

why do we need rusty logs, they're rusty, kinda pointless

[cursive agate]

Laser Cannons are mostly the heavy hitters of Energy weapons, heavier Laser Rifles eventually show up too (both affected by EN Firearm Spec of Generators).

[white wedge]

no that's fine game, i didnt' wanna bother with a shield anyways

i sure love getting to the last fight with no kits and clearly the wrong loadout

[cursive agate]

Fortunately, that's what the mid-mission Assembly option is for

[white wedge]

but then i can't be tank

[polar osprey]

remembered why i hate the alt version of the ||ibis mission||

[white wedge]

i was doing the MT i think?

with hte invisible sniper bastards

i don't have the height or speed to get close enough

[polar osprey]

that one fucking sucks

[white wedge]

and even with a shield, it chunks for 3k

so by the time i got to the reservoir, with like 5 of them

i was out of repair kits and had like 10k health

it sucked

[polar osprey]

i truly do despise some of the missions in AC6

fuck BAWS Arsenal No.2

[white wedge]

is there a second one

[cursive agate]

Oh yea the BAWS one, having strong scan stats, and weapons with long reach makes it a lot less terrible

[white wedge]

it's more just like

i can't aim for shit

[polar osprey]

tried with the head with the best possible scan stats and it has just not worked so i simply won't do it

[cursive agate]

That's what the scan stats are for, so your AC can target them enough to land shots

[polar osprey]

it's one of the bigger reasons i won't 100% the game

some of the missions are unbearably dogshit to try to S-rank

[cursive agate]

The actual scan area is aprox a cone or 180 forwards area

BAWS arsenal is unusally tight to S rank

[white wedge]

it just feels like more pain than actual enjoyment

and frankly, i'm not about to try it 50 times to get through

[polar osprey]

yeah

[white wedge]

i'll try it later

worst case scenario, run through it with infinite hp

[cursive agate]

I rolled in there with x2 Earshot to 1-shot stuff (1x earshot blast each) for S-Rank, and a pretty highly optimized build to move fast enough

[white wedge]

i'm terrible at reactions so i cna't block the 50 million shots beign shot at me in the tight ass reservoir while a coked out whip is chasing me

just blegh

feels like a mission made purely for misery and not for enjoyment

[cursive agate]

The travel time on the sniper shots is better avoided with QB or jumping

[white wedge]

i probably ust need to play more cover early on

either way, blegh

any mission that makes you go "thank fuck it's over" is just not a good mission imo

[cursive agate]

It definitely sticks out in a bad way

I think the low AB speed of the heavy tank legs makes the snipers more harsh, though low AB cost tries to offset that.

[white wedge]

i don't think i used AB outside of just running into people now that i got kick

probably should

but it doesn't feel tank like to fly

[chrome bronze]

Honestly super happy that looking into high level PvP light builds are performing well

I remember in the first few months of the games release when they were considered universally worse then heavy builds

[chrome bronze]

I just redownloaded the game, made a new build, and killed the tester AC pilot to test it

God it’s good to be back

[surreal tundra]

"Linear rifle" basically means something like a railgun or coilgun- basically propulsion is via electromagnets I think?

Which is why you can charge up the shots

[white wedge]

ah oke

[surreal tundra]

Iunno if it's still the case but twin laser pistols shred things through pure DPS, and before I think they had relatively high stagger for what they did?

Typically for EN weapons that aren't like, missiles or a melee weapon, you want generators with EN spec

[surreal tundra]

Basically also what we've got left of the "sniper" weapons I think?

[quasi copper]

It's because a linear motor is what drives a railgun / coilgun, it moves an object without any rotation

[surreal tundra]

At least for now

[surreal tundra]

Yeah, that

It doesn't technically "rifle" things I think, tho maybe they can give the shot a spin?
Or also quite likely they get accuracy through sheer speed or something ijnno

[quasi copper]

well, no, it can still be a rifled barrel

[surreal tundra]

Ahhh,

So make the rails inside spin or-?

[quasi copper]

no

[surreal tundra]

How would they do it?

[quasi copper]

the barrel is rifled which causes the projectile to catch the grooves and spin

that's separate from the linear motor

which just accelerates the projectile up the barrel in a line

[surreal tundra]

Mhm,
Okay fair enough actually, makes sense

Not sure if that's all that much better for the weapon/barrel longterm lmao, tho I'm sure they've got the material science to handle it

[quasi copper]

By the nature of their design, railguns have a limited lifespan because the projectile has to be in contact with the conducting "rails" of the weapon as it accelerates down the barrel, making damage to the electrode rails inevitable

Coilguns wrap a series of conductive coils around the barrel instead, causing no contact between the conductive component and the projectile, so at that point barrel wear and tear is happening the same way as in a regular firearm (just without the expanding gases also wearing on the barrel)

[surreal tundra]

Mm, fair enough,
Then again AC6 has some ridiculously hardy stuff-
It could easily be as much an abstraction as it is that the gun is basically tough enough to handle it indefinitely or practically so from the perspective of any of the missions you go through- maybe the same nanomachine/repairkit tech fixes them every now and again to make it practically indefinite, at least given the resources

[white wedge]

barrel doesn't spin

no big drum

terrible weapon

[surreal tundra]

Oh- what's the trade-off?

[white wedge]

power

and complexity

[quasi copper]

afaik railguns are a lot more efficient and a lot less complex

[white wedge]

coil guns you need to have many coils in a line and time them right

railguns you just shove 2 rails and a bullet on them and done

chuck electricity through it

[quasi copper]

a railgun basically turns electricity into motive force as efficiently as you can

at the low low cost of your electrodes turning into dust

[surreal tundra]

Efficient as in power cost for the same acceleration?

[white wedge]

instead of making a big field with coils

you just apply current to the projectile and rails

[quasi copper]

yeah, there's not a lot of jiggery-pokery, it turns the projectile into an electromagnet and yeets it away

[surreal tundra]

Mhm,
Well then again it's not like ACs are strangers to expensive weapons/ammo,
And they do have whatever tech is behind repair kits, so in theory which might be counted in the ammo cost for the weapon to- keeping it functional for all its shots lmao

[white wedge]

it takes a while for it to wear down

but it does wear down fast

[quasi copper]

it would be funny to have a "Railgun" weapon that you rip the entire barrel out of between shots

[white wedge]

however

[surreal tundra]

The Attache weapon already has you literally replacing the barrel cuz it gets melted lmao

[white wedge]

most railguns nowadays use a more efficient design

[quasi copper]

machine gun (real)

[white wedge]

instead of haaving the prjectile bare naked (owo) in the barrell, they use a carriage

[surreal tundra]

Nowadays?
Oh as in conceptual designs?

[white wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/railgun-railgun-projectile-railgun-test-railgun-demonstration-railgun-ballistics-gif-19417087

real

https://tenor.com/view/railgun-railgun-fire-railgun-firing-non-explosive-ballistics-high-kinetic-energy-gif-19417023

means oyu can make a better bullet

cause yo udon't have to make it fit the barrells

[surreal tundra]

Oh interesting, is the teal/greenish part meant to shatter/break off or is it meant to be reusable?

[surreal tundra]

So like a- what's it called, sabot?

[quasi copper]

it is like a sabot

[white wedge]

2nd gif has it shown a bit

it just kinda flies off

and probably shatters

either way, unusable

but it's amde out of a cheap conducting metal purely to accelerate the more expensive smaller projectile

simplying and making it much cheaper

on a side note

HNNNGH, FUCK, just found this

GOD

i need AC6 but tanks

[white wedge]

oh yeha

this is 10 years old lol

[surreal tundra]

Mhm,
Fair enough

[white wedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LMyzjaCdAQ

it's basically a cool shell

like a fairing on a rocket

once it's out of hte barrel, ther'es nothing holding it together

fun seeing hte shockwave

mach 7.5 btw

[keen hedge]

One of my favorite sci fi 'tropes' tbh, eventually you can shoot a rock fast and strong enough to break any barrier. Good ol' kinetics

[radiant birch]

everything is a matter of sufficient relative velocity

[languid sand]

Now I'm thinking about the old gen linear rifles

God those slapped

[languid sand]

Unlike last ravens's actual rail gun

That was kind of shit

[south oracle]

Made a copy of my save and then start a fresh new game, really annoyed at how there's inly ine save file

But also just defeated Balteus with a build I truly wanted to do so now, so that feels good

[patent oyster]

You could also create an alt steam account and family share the game to it

[radiant birch]

It would be nice to have a couple more save slots yeah

Not as much need for them as in the Souls games but it'd be nice for letting someone else play your copy

[chrome bronze]

So like, RAD has gotta have the most consistently bad mech parts right?

Feels like everything they’ve got is substandard in its niche

[serene kettle]

I dunno if I'd say that but they've definitely got some stinkers

the wrecker set especially is...rough

[chrome bronze]

Admittedly yah this was fueled by trying out milktooth

The wrecker stuff sucks so much