Armored Core General!

[deft pelican]

||Oh yeah I have no problems with the visual inspiration and such. Shoji Kawamori was cooking so goddamn hard with White Glint it'd be a shame not to call back||

[serene kettle]

||It also has White Glint's "turn into a plane" functionality, though only uses it in the Raid Boss Variant and in the opening cutscene||

[deft pelican]

||honestly White Glint's understated transformation and general design makes it maybe my favourite mech design in fiction||

||it conveys a sense of jetlike power and speed so goddamn well||

[serene kettle]

Meanwhile AC6's big white glint reference is definitely ||the final boss version of Ayre||, though in a looser fashion

[deft pelican]

||IBIS SOL|| is a baller design, though idk how much of a White Glint reference I interpret it as

[serene kettle]

it's mixing references, since it's also drawing from Silent Line's ||I-C003-IN "Big White" units||

[polar osprey]

is that

||is that a hammer???||

[deft pelican]

ah fair, still got to get around to Silent Line

[polar osprey]

but yeah John Fromsoftware give me back my God Machines

[serene kettle]

Silent Line is a really good underappreciated entry

[deft pelican]

I'm looking forward to the entirety of 3rd gen to be fair!

I hear good things

[polar osprey]

i still need to get through AC4

[serene kettle]

It's a ||two-handed cannon, here's a much blurrier image from a different angle||

[polar osprey]

oh damn

that's sick

see i would also like some more fucking weapon variety for a new AC game

we did the kiddy shit with AC6, everyone got nice and comfortable with Armored Core

now bring back the insane customization shit

let me put stabilizers on my mech and have like 4 fucking boosters

give me back tuning also

nobody needs to just unlock everything at once, let me customize that shit on an at will basis so i can further min-max my builds

[serene kettle]

as a sidenote the ||"Big White" units work for IBIS, the AI masterminding the plot of AC:SL||. The IBIS series in general is almost definitely a reference to that.

[polar osprey]

but yeah idk i just want like, more garage time

modern controls

[serene kettle]

The fight with CEL 240 in particular is rather reminiscent of AC:SL's final boss, though with much more aerial movement and a somewhat different design

For reference (silent line spoilers)||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egi9EzqKbjY||

now that I look at it again, the Ephemera parts might also be a reference to this boss design

[polar osprey]

this UI slaps

[serene kettle]

yeah this is basically how oldgen UI looks across the board

it's very nostalgic to me

lol

[polar osprey]

i really enjoy the lock on square

actually showing where the area you want to keep the enemy inside of to shoot is

[serene kettle]

oh yeah the fun part about that is the shape and size of the square is a function of your FCS

[polar osprey]

much better than flying around in ACFA waiting for a fucking lock to happen

[serene kettle]

different FCS will have different squares

[polar osprey]

i like that

i like that a lot

clear indication to the function of the parts

[serene kettle]

there are "sniper" squares with a really long lock range but a relatively tiny square, and also wide and shallow squares that cover most of the screen

[polar osprey]

you get a good idea of how you need to move and control your AC to function with the parts you have picked

[serene kettle]

and lots of middle ground options, or ones that are tuned toward missile builds with faster lock speeds and increased maximum missile locks

it's a nuance that has been lost over the years in favor of a more standardized approach

[polar osprey]

yeah

i get why they would do it

but i also would love to have more granular gameplay like that

like

let me get *really * into the nitty gritty of building my AC

[serene kettle]

yeah when I played AC1 as a kid I just assumed the most expensive FCS was the best one and got that

[polar osprey]

i want to sit in the garage for hours

and just build

and test

[serene kettle]

it wasn't a good fit for my build tho lol

(it's one of the aforementioned "narrow and deep" ones with a really small box and long range)

[deft pelican]

I mean there is a lockbox in ACFA to be fair; it's an invisible one the size of your screen

[polar osprey]

me when the enemy is clearly on my screen, i am turning to look at them, and my FCS is doing absolutely nothing even though i specifically picked the one that would let me lock fastest at the best ranges

tbf i'm also dogshit at keeping enemies in the camera cause they are so fucking fast but still, i do like the look of older games and the more, specific game design

[deft pelican]

ACFA does a weird thing in that it does have pseudo hard lock, but it doesn't really tell you

[polar osprey]

yeah

it doesn't do much compared to AC6's hardlock

[deft pelican]

AC:PP's arena is beating me like a drum

everyone past a certain rank hits so hard against lightweights and I need to learn to dodge better ;-;

[serene kettle]

yeah at some point they start just being H+ cheatyface jerks

[polar osprey]

simply becom H+ yourself

[serene kettle]

not actually an option in Project Phantasma

except by importing a H+ savefile from AC1

[deft pelican]

H+ benefits also generally feel silly imo

I don't think I'd be happier with no kneeling on back weapons or 3k AP damage blade beams

it's a skill issue on my part for sure

[polar osprey]

😔

[serene kettle]

I actually beat nineball in AC1 in that horrible vertical shaft with a kneeling weapon and I deserve a damn medal 😛

[deft pelican]

Fucking hell, nice work

💪

[polar osprey]

oh shit, Vaati dropped the 5hr 30min AC6 video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n9eakXNsIQ

[deft pelican]

Dear God that's a lot

[patent oyster]

From what ive heard its mostly a cinematic recap

[wooden nimbus]

🤔 ACVD movement on a large open map with Chromehounds style COMBAS/grid map stuff

Give em the city complexes around everything interesting and a couple exposed places you don't wanna get caught in

That would be so hype

[serene kettle]

Still funny the second time

just repeating my joke from last time

[eager vector]

[wooden nimbus]

If Invincible Rummy got a coral upgrade could we call him Redrum?

[serene kettle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aY_ZRyzt-U her transition went great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OXCChRZVDI it's worth listening to her voice acting if you're unfamiliar. She's a delightful scenery chewer.

[polar osprey]

That mission fucking sucked to do

Ngl

[serene kettle]

it's a bit of an infamous one

[polar osprey]

My slow as fuck no turn speed having ass got absolutely obliterated by their speed and my lack of map

[serene kettle]

Thanks all to the nasty double team, inclement weather, and all the people horny for Shamir Raviravi

[polar osprey]

Literally just couldn't keep up with both of those NEXT's since i could barely see them half the time

[wooden nimbus]

Oh Jesus I forgot about that

[river junco]

Ur officially cooler than vaati

[cursive agate]

The note about radar unit in the briefing seems very important, with the fog acting at 43.0 ECM.

[modern hornet]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n9eakXNsIQ|| VaatiVidya is an absolute MADLAD for making this video

[polar osprey]

i'm gonna watch it whenever i have time

[deft pelican]

Project Phantasma complete

it's a weird game; enjoyable but there are a bunch of polish issues that stop me liking it as much as AC1

the plot also feels kinda 'nothing'

A few missions to 100% it then onto MoA

[surreal tundra]

UwU

and she might be sorta sober at that point! zxmcncvxv

[serene kettle]

You mean the deep and complex motives of the Doomsday Organization don’t do it for you? 😛

Actually playing Phantasma after AC6 is probably interesting at least to see Stinger as a proto-Iguazu

[deft pelican]

...yeahhhhhh

[deft pelican]

a little, yeah; the merger into the disco crab was a little less climactic though I will admit

[serene kettle]

PP has its flaws but Grip is a banger and it’s still Armored Core so I’ll forgive a lot lol

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aY-1p6mMRnI

This one

[deft pelican]

Grip does slap

I think Fall Pipe and Circulation are my other favourites

[serene kettle]

Those are good choices

I’m really partial to high fever and servizio

And Shape Memory Alloys, obviously

[deft pelican]

Shape Memory Alloys the eternal banger

[serene kettle]

It’s really telling that it somehow doesn’t get old playing in every menu

And blaring, even

Background ambience this is not

AC6’s barely there garage music is cowardly 😛

[deft pelican]

idk if I'd go that far; Hearing Things is a cool meditative track that's a solid tone setter

it's not as much of a banger as Shape Memory Alloys or Set the Sunset, but I still think it works well at what it's trying to do

[radiant birch]

I think Hearing Things is seared into my audio memory from the hours on end I spent messing around in the garage

Idk I don't have a point of comparison since I haven't really played an AC game aside from 6 (bouncing off of AC2 fifteen years ago doesn't count), but I agree with Spheal, the AC6 garage music is a very effective chill-yet-melancholy "downtime between combats" vibe

[deft pelican]

for what it's worth I do agree AC6's soundtrack can be a little muted for its own good because it's trying to be brutal, oppressive and harsh

I kind of wish they had gone in even more with a sharp and alien kind of sound design

even then we still got a good stable of bangers, especially in the OST 3rd disk

[serene kettle]

I didn’t say it was bad, just cowardly 😛

Soft or somber can work, i have a soft spot for Lament over the Howling Age

(Okay soft is a stretch there it def has a little grind to it)

[deft pelican]

Idk if I love the word cowardly, since I'm not in the business of being mean to creators. I'd have said just letting Kota rock out with his cock out again would have been a safer bet and played to the fans, so it was a bold choice to not do that

and to my knowledge there's no evidence to suggest that management was holding Kota back from doing his usual

[serene kettle]

I mean, fair enough

[deft pelican]

Making games is hard, and I'm more than a little jaded to a lot of fans conspiracy dumping on decisions they don't like. Not to imply that was what you were doing necessarily

[quasi copper]

Someone is Always Moving On the Surface is so permanently scorched into my head

[deft pelican]

Someone is Always Moving on the Surface is beautiful

absolutely one of my favourite tunes in the franchise

[polar osprey]

fr

[polar osprey]

it does not stick out in my mind at all

[serene kettle]

Yeah I'm absolutely not introducing a conspiracy. I just think AC6's soundtrack went in a different direction and not all of it worked for me. Cowardly may not be the right word to express what I mean, though I was only ever using it in a tongue-in-cheek sense and not aggressively telling everyone that Kota Hoshino is a coward, because that's not what I mean at all.

[deft pelican]

for sure!

[radiant birch]

It did come off that you were being tongue in cheek

I think it just rankled a bit even as a joke because there's so many people who would say the same thing fully in earnest

Which is not your fault at all

Just. Idk.

[serene kettle]

There's definitely nothing wrong with a different direction. AC4/4A had a different direction from previous games and ACV/VD had another significant shift. But I really like those soundtracks, whereas AC6's has a few standouts but mostly leaves little impression on me

a lot of the boss themes in particular rule

but the level tracks feel, for the most part, just kind of there. They're too understated for their own good a lot of the time

[deft pelican]

yeah I definitely am a bit sensitive to it considering the time I spent in the Armored Corecord consisted of 5th gen players being violently angry about anything that wasn't 5th or oldgen

[serene kettle]

Ah yeah that's definitely a bit of old fandom war

a lot of the next-gen people onboarded with 4th Gen and didn't like 5th gen at all and were vocal capital G Gamers about it, and there are still scars

[deft pelican]

Like, guys your entire franchise is cool! I wanna play more 5th gen! Being bitter doesn't fix much of anything

been around for other debates like that such as SSBM vs Sm4sh/Ult/Brawl, Battlezone 1 vs 2, etc and it never gets any less petty and tiring

[serene kettle]

yeah that sounds about right

[deft pelican]

The worst enemy of gamers: Gamers

[polar osprey]

i think AC6's soundtrack is just

passive a lot of the time

[deft pelican]

I'll agree it should have just gone in more

[polar osprey]

it's much more like the noise of the world around you than the very clear musical stuff that we got in other games

[serene kettle]

Offhand, the ones I'll point out as very cool: I like Rough and Decent (obviously), Unbreakable, and I have a soft spot for Clockwork Hostility due to its cool use as a leitmotif through multiple playthroughs building up to the NG++ end

for level themes specifically

[polar osprey]

which also is the reason why i actually kinda

[deft pelican]

I'd have loved a lot more of the soundtrack to have had the combination of crunch and melody that Rough and Decent (bad joke) had

[serene kettle]

Clockwork Hostility represents something hidden and lurking, so being a bit hidden and lurking itself actually feels on-tone.

[polar osprey]

don't like the Rough and Decent remix or the Steel Haze remix from the extra track

[deft pelican]

I really like Where Truths Meet fwiw

[polar osprey]

i think they are conterintuitive

[deft pelican]

not as much on the Rough and Decent one though I will agree

[polar osprey]

they add stuff that works against what was already there

and it kinda just diminished both the original song bits and the new ones

[serene kettle]

My favorite version of Rough and Decent is the one without any parenthetical text, which is why I was treating it as a level theme rather than a boss theme since it's used in an NG+ only level

[deft pelican]

Rough and Decent is more of a character theme imo but tbh that just means I'd love to have seen more character themes lmao

Guilty Gear us up in this

[serene kettle]

yeah you're not wrong

arguably unbreakable might be considered a boss theme too but calling Sulla a boss feels disingenuous right before Balteus

[polar osprey]

the piano on Rough and Decent (Bad Joke) is just so insanely good that i can't not love that version more

[radiant birch]

Previous games had arena opponents that only appeared in the arena, right?

[deft pelican]

Bad Joke is fucking awesome

yes

[serene kettle]

Yes

[polar osprey]

first time i heard it my mind was blown

it goes so hard

which is also why i don't like Rough and Decent (Natural Behaviour) all that much

[deft pelican]

yeah not a fan of it either

[polar osprey]

it takes out all of the like, crisp sounds that Bad Joke has

and it kinda just, has too much going on

[deft pelican]

another track I wish were in the main game is Cinders

I can easily hear that being a character theme

[polar osprey]

like they do the piano section as a guitar riff

and it does not hit the same

it just doesn't

[deft pelican]

Kota just doin his thing, sometimes it's a bit too wild lol

[polar osprey]

sorry to any Rough and Decent (Natural Behaviour) fans but the piano riff is just so much more fucking sharp and powerful

[deft pelican]

[polar osprey]

they absolutely steal the show

whereas the guitar almost gets lost in the sauce a bit

[radiant birch]

I think I'm pretty basic when it comes to the OST appreciation

[polar osprey]

ans Steel Haze (Where Truths Meet) is just

weird to me

cause Steel Haze (Rusted Pride) is a very fucking melancholy and depressing song

[radiant birch]

Aside from the garage themes arriving in my mind just bc of how much I listened to them, the tracks that stick out to me are the ones everyone likes

[polar osprey]

and in (Where Truths Meet) they just fucking slap the like, energetic drums and guitar over it

[radiant birch]

Contact With You, Steel Haze (Rusted Pride), Allmind...

[polar osprey]

4 The Answer (For The Mission) goes fucking hard though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2HB4Jsgkkc&list=PLU6YeOdU59QdhqLfcUeiG6sq2GIImu381&index=12

[deft pelican]

only got like 8 more games to play before I finally get back to 4th gen

[polar osprey]

mfw someone hints at Armored Core For Answer existing (my hype is immeasurable, just like my speed)

[serene kettle]

Throwing in a For Answer remix on the AC6 soundtrack (albeit a bonus disc) is definitely a funny move

Why not, right? It's not like the final boss theme of verdict day wasn't one

[polar osprey]

there's also a bit of Someone is always moving on the surface in the song

which is cool

[radiant birch]

Definitely gonna play 4th Gen! ...just as soon as I finish Elden Ring + Shadow of the Erdtree, Bloodborne, and Dark Souls 1 and 2

[polar osprey]

at 1:51 you can barely hear the first few notes of Someone is always moving

[serene kettle]

full disclosure I haven't actually listened to the bonus disk

[deft pelican]

it seems like the OST releases are treated like collectible things for Japanese games, so it makes sense they have the exclusive remix disk

[serene kettle]

This is a banger tho

[deft pelican]

I recommend

3rd disk has a good number of bangers

[polar osprey]

i would recommend checking it all out

https://youtu.be/9P-VQ42SzOI?si=rQMFFA0nTY9g16-Z

especially Take Me Anywhere

[deft pelican]

Takes Me Anywhere is super sweet

[polar osprey]

this is Miyazawa's comments about it:
"I joined From in 2014 because I love the AC series, and I was finally able to join the development team as part of the BGM/sound effects staff and I'm very grateful. I had hoped to start working on AC as soon as I joined the company, but that didn't end up happening for a long time. But I think I was able to fully utilize the experience I gained from working on other titles, so I hope you enjoyed it.

The last track on the album, "Takes Me Anywhere," features the chorus of all the friends who worked together on this project. In fact, I actually started work on it as soon as I had joined the company, and although I had always wanted to make it a reality, I never had the chance to realize it until now. But with the help of many people, including the development staff of ACVI, I was finally able to complete it."

[deft pelican]

Shoi Miyazawa's love letter to the AC series

[polar osprey]

yeah

it's really great

[deft pelican]

the fact he started out as a fan doing remixes

makes me tear up a lil

[polar osprey]

it's genuinely an amazing bit of music

[deft pelican]

iirc he was Giovansen on youtube, and you can still listen to his old work under that name

[polar osprey]

yeah

[deft pelican]

cool people making things they're passionate about my beloved

[polar osprey]

it is always super sick

[serene kettle]

if you're interested in more AC-adjacent content, there's also the Sunrise album

[deft pelican]

Oh I'm aware of it! FreQuency always puts out good stuff

[serene kettle]

a decent number of its tracks are original rather than AC remixes, though it has those too

Life In Ash pops into my head at the weirdest times

[radiant birch]

the Someone Is Always Moving On The Surface remix is fascinating

[deft pelican]

the 20th Anniversary music also has some songs I love that are rather low key in the community like Armeria -Reborn-, Wasteland and Reminiscence

[serene kettle]

Yeah! Though I am not in love with that 9 remix lol

[deft pelican]

We Still Have a Long Way to Go and Fallout slap too, though the latter got more popular due to Metal Wolf Chaos using it as promo

[serene kettle]

no matter how funny it is that it's 8th on the soundtrack (because Arrays start at 0)

[deft pelican]

it is what it is

[patent oyster]

https://youtu.be/oU0DYubWfwY?si=ul_Cp-dRM6GJ93Pl

[eager vector]

omg Weltall….

[surreal vine]

trying to work out loadouts for my new frame I slapped together, Convergence

'ol reliable of Harris/expl. thrower/dagger/missiles always seems comfy

[river junco]

Yeah I think I’m settling on my original wack ass theory as to why NG+ exists as it does in AC6 as I watch the 5 hour vaati video

Spoilers for all of the NG+ stuff

||I think that I like my initial theory that the exposure to the coral surge, the one that bonds you to Ayre and starts the plot in earnest, also fucks you up somehow. Dolmayan saw the future, when he had a coral overdose, and continued to see it until you came around. I argue that NG+ cycles are a similar event, essentially the TES concept of CHIM. I also think Allmind is, somehow, aware of the cycles - that’s how she completely changed her tactics in NG++ and finally succeeds. Meanwhile, your consciousness is infused with the endless possibility and non-linearity of coral, sort of experiencing multiple timelines or outcomes at once||

||I think it’s also possible that Coral Release breaks our perception of time - that our consciousness is lost in THAT flow, changed forever||

[serene kettle]

Honestly a fairly sensible reading

coral is weird

[river junco]

Ye

I love how fucking strange it is

[polar osprey]

An infinitely renewable energy source, living organisms, a drug, a material used for human enhancements

Coral does a lot of shit that doesn't seem to have much correlation

[keen hedge]

Like be called coral

||Well I guess it's a cluster of living things, but people didn't KNOW THAAAT||

[polar osprey]

It's kind of a miracle substance honestly

[eager vector]

didn’t they?

[keen hedge]

Izzat public knowledge, I thought that was discovered in the underground labs n stuff but it's been a bit

I always wondered how it self propogates, like the threat of it reaching across the stars.. it's from underground veins, does it not need any sort of minerals or energy.. >:|a

[eager vector]

the folks who named it might’ve had non-public knowledge

[wet shard]

so uh

you know that pic of the persno who ordered a model kit of Freiza thinking it was going to be premade?

that's me, right now

[deft pelican]

Enjoy your new hobby

[polar osprey]

hehehe

welcome to model kit building

leave your wallet at the door 🫡

[deft pelican]

Ahh I still have an RG RX78 and no grade Epyon lying around that I really ought to build one of these days

Really looking forward to the 30 minute missions AC6 kits though

[polar osprey]

i'm a few kits deep

No AC kits yet but i'm gonna get some eventually

(this isn't all of my kits btw, just the ones i can easily take pics off that are on display)

[wet shard]

I already have unfinished skitarii and an ironstrider

[polar osprey]

i have two painters sets, one for Necrons and one for Space Marines that i need to work on

funny story

Warhammer 40k is the reason i got into building gundam model kits which ended up pulling me into the model building hobby

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/gaogaigar-mecha-transformation-henshin-super-robot-gif-25048954

Hell yeah GaoGaiGar

[polar osprey]

King of Braves 👑

[grave jolt]

And a couple more Riders and you can recreate the Grand Zi-O henshin scene!

[wet shard]

glue 😋

[grave jolt]

I'll share a couple 30MM kits i've got here in a moment

[polar osprey]

Glue 🤝

[grave jolt]

Oh hey! I've got some too, lemme tell yuh this stuff has glued together TITANS!

[polar osprey]

i really wanna get the Steel Haze kit if i can

[grave jolt]

Yeah as soon as that's off pre-order I'm buying it

[polar osprey]

also been working on my own Custom kit of my personal AC, Pale Painter

the actual AC for reference

[grave jolt]

Reminds me of Fascinator from AC Last raven!

[polar osprey]

it also has an successor AC

just like ||Steel Haze became replaced by Steel Haze Ortus||

Pale Painter became replaced by Pale Painter Ruber

[wet shard]

I’m getting nightfall raven

[polar osprey]

fair

tbh

i would have actually preferred to get Loader 4 over Nightfall

[surreal tundra]

I don't think it does? It really does seem to be kinda- "oh we're dense and clustered here, time to grow even faster, nevermind that apparently they could have kept growing forever- maybe they just pull from some background energy field like heigus particles in Knights of Sidonia, or some other thing, could be almost anything XD

[keen hedge]

It's definitely damn near magic, reminds me of the Prey stuff. Enough high concept scifi and it loops around to being wizardry again

[surreal vine]

https://youtu.be/K0_P0rb25IU?si=u8vUsP2kw_Q3fE3T

[radiant birch]

My personal theory is that Coral sentience, Coral tech enhancements, and maybe the drug-like effects are explicable by Coral being some kind of ultra-effective substrate for data storage and processing

[polar osprey]

that's basically what i thought about it as well

kinda like Permet from WfM

[radiant birch]

Ayre says something about being really good with data systems at one point iirc

[polar osprey]

One of Permet's properties is that information is shared between individual pieces (the "data" in "data storms"), and various technologies have been developed by mixing Permet with other materials or propellant for control purposes. Body-function augmentation technologies in which Permet is infused into the human body are considered a basis for advancement into space

i think it's reasonable to think Coral may act very similar to Permet

[radiant birch]

Yeah, agreed

[polar osprey]

not the same way mind you but

[radiant birch]

And the emergent consciousnesses within Coral are some kind of network effect of it being a natural data processor

But apparently whatever properties make it good at processing data also make it wildly volatile

Hence the fuel and weapon applications--explosive potential is good for both

[polar osprey]

gonna try doing the Old King ending in ACFA

[surreal vine]

Greetings, Lap Dog...
Old King is honestly one of those NPCs in a game that you can't forget, though in FA's case for less-than-stellar reasons lol

[quasi copper]

He sucks, you can never forget about him

[polar osprey]

i've done the other endings

[serene kettle]

Old King is Iconic in part because he's probably the worst person in a game full of mostly not good people 😛

[serene kettle]

Ayre is described as a "C-pulse Wave Mutation", so it's basically either this or she's an impression of someone who died horribly in the Fires of Ibis, seared onto the Coral like a blast shadow.

[polar osprey]

either way it's super interesting that Coral is capable of hosting conciousness

[serene kettle]

She does try to warn you in the initial contact that you're at risk of your consciousness drifting off into the coral, so at the very least that's almost definitely a thing that can happen.

[polar osprey]

Yeah

I mean

||That's almost certainly what the coral convergence is||

[radiant birch]

I favor the "Coral can naturally produce consciousness" theory purely on the grounds that I find it more interesting

[keen hedge]

I wonder how you 'Do' Coral, I always imagined Red Eye kind of situation

[radiant birch]

Give me weird ass aliens or give me death

[polar osprey]

We also know about multiple coral conciousnesses thanks to Dolmayan iirc

[serene kettle]

yeah Ayre seems to be exceptional but not utterly unique

most coral is not conscious (at least not in an individual way) but Ayre isn't the only coral person

[polar osprey]

Yeah coral does also seem to have a like

Hivemind like conciousness

Based on how Ayre describes it

[serene kettle]

(she also refers to some coral masses as family but that doesn't necessarily have to mean individuals she thinks of as family, it could be more metaphorical than that)

[radiant birch]

Doesn't she have a line about "Coral voices being lost" or something like that at the end of Ice Worm

[polar osprey]

I think so

[quasi copper]

I can't find the RaD brand coral pipe image so just imagine it

[river junco]

Yeah there’s at least two others we know of

Whoops

Uhhhh I meant coral people w this

Although I’d always wondered about how Ayre knew so much about the world — maybe it’s from the consciousnesses of those lost in the flow

[wet shard]

the upper arms are done

(also fixed some broken skitarii and made a new one)

[kind halo]

anyone got tips for dodging dual earshots on a tank build? i've been trying aggrotank with dual javs and fasans and while it's fun i've been getting utterly thrashed by people running dual stunnies with earshots cuz im so big and maneuvering the tank feels like steering a boat so i just get absolutely smacked

[patent oyster]

How airborne are you when you run aggrotank?

[radiant birch]

yeah, generally my advice for dealing with Earshot is "don't be on the ground"

[kind halo]

most of the time though i'm not great at it when a more mobile build gets above me

[patent oyster]

If you arent ABing and AB kicking constantly, you'll get outmaneuvered

Are you using borne tank legs or boat tank legs?

Boat leg AB is the exact same as pre-nerf burzel

Use it to your advantage

[kind halo]

borne, i like how they look more

[kind halo]

yeah i probably need to AB more, i've been trying to do the shuffle but i struggle with tighter movements

[surreal tundra]

really some of the main differences is that we have no idea how permet is made and it doesn't seem to have "growth: yes" that we know of, and coral being able to enhance more people more safely than we've seen with Permet- though that could just as easily be a limitation of the current tech in-univierse. Actually "being more aligned means you suffer less damage/can handle more" is probs shared in hindsight lmao,

[surreal tundra]

Maybe She/the c-waves picked things up from places like the watchpoints too?

WiFi

[polar osprey]

i would not say it enhances more people more safely considering gen 1-4 enhancements are not really considered to be safe at all

and any generation of enhancement after gen4 does not use Coral

[surreal tundra]

Oh no that's absolutely the case, but I mean that onscreen the only remotely "can deal with Permet at higher levels quite fine" is basically only ||Eri and her replichildren, including/especially Suletta, who handled the highest Score of any human seen on-screen and was part of what led to that even higher score before- and coming down from that still kinda sucked for her with needing like, 3+ years of physical therapy and whatnot to move her body remotely normally IIRC||, so numbers-wise the onscreen "successful" coral-augments outnumber permet augmentations I think- but maybe it's cuz they're being pushed past their actual limits that we hardly see many successful augments living for long with it?\

Tho- I guess that's GUND-format-specific, since normal GUND is perfectly fine,

[polar osprey]

most problems with permet are just people pushing farther than they can handle

[surreal tundra]

and what it was originally designed for

[polar osprey]

gund also is permet based

so that's much much safer than Coral enhancements

[surreal tundra]

yeah, that but with Coral augments it's not possible to "push" it in a combat scenario, or- hrm, I guess they'd be using doses of coral to keep up the connection or something? and- actually in hindsight getting "caught in the datastorm" and physically dying seems to be close enough to- whatever happens when you overdose on Coral, if that's possible

[polar osprey]

coral enhancement will most likely kill you from the getgo but if you survive it seems, mostly fine?

[surreal tundra]

I guess it's the combat/piloting-specific augments that're less successful, while overall-
Actually wait aren't the coral augments meant for combat stuff anyways?
Tho- maybe whatever is going on with Cinder Carla's aging... maybe she's using some coral in the process of that?

[polar osprey]

whereas Permet is probably pretty safe to be enhanced with but if you start fucking around with the datastorms and shit you will most likely die

[surreal tundra]

basically the big hump is the entrypoint with your level of coral probs being less than whatever ignited you in the first place, while with permet the hump is further along and seems to basically be the entrance to whatever permet-mediated 'afterlife'/'uploaded conscious world' thing is there, or something,

[polar osprey]

the thing with Coral is also that you can just

skip coral enhancement

since non-coral enhancements from later gens are much safer with no downside from what we know

[surreal tundra]

Honestly- if you actually fully cyberized/uploaded via permet you could probably tolerate higher and higher Scores natively since more of it would be running on permet's datastorms anyways lmao

[eager vector]

I thought late gen enhancements were still coral based

[polar osprey]

substitute iirc

[surreal tundra]

main downside really being that you don't have coral to actually connect directly to any C-wave stuff,

[surreal tundra]

apparently, yeah,

[polar osprey]

which is not a downside 99.9% of the time

[surreal tundra]

it is pretty situational

Tho- hm,

[polar osprey]

notably whatever they use for enhancement past gen4 is a coral replacement

[surreal tundra]

Coral-augments or at least the research derived from that... the "can survive 60g+ accelerations" part seems more heavily implied, while the onscreen craziness in WfM is- hm, I guess they have other things to compensate? plus whatever the hell is going on with Suletta lmao,

[polar osprey]

so presumably it's something they made based on coral as a substitute for it, so in a basic sense it's still derived from the same tech

[surreal tundra]

hmm- y'know how apparently ALLMIND runs things with- differently colored coral?
Actually kinda unsure if it's "brainwaves stimulated to mimic coral and affecting the energy" or if it's straightup coral but somehow differently colored,

[surreal tundra]

at the very least- mixing 'kinda-biological' coral with 'mineral' permet- would be an interesting/fun man-machine/bio-mech interface lmao

[surreal tundra]

biomechanical but the "bio" is coral and the "mechanical" is permet,
and apparently permet can be used/has some kinda use in reactors, to what extent/why is unspecified
EDIT:
the data transmission would be practically seamless, and with permet allowing for great distances/relaying the signal- wheee~

[serene kettle]

It's really only a downside to 621 specifically

||Iguazu|| has that connection and ||it drives him fucking crazy||

[surreal tundra]

only a downside for 621 or for everyone else?
I think the ||Iguazu thing probs counts as a downside for him lmao||

[serene kettle]

Er, I meant non-downside

sorry

[surreal tundra]

naw you're fine, was just double-checking XD

[patent oyster]

Moreso that he can only hear the tinnitus parts of her talking, and as someone with mild tinnitus i would honestly go kinda nuts if my tinnitus kept flaring up every time i met a specific person

[serene kettle]

well, yeah. I guess I should say that the connection is half-there

[surreal tundra]

my tinnitus (ringing that's constant right? I genuinely can't remember how it feels to not have some kind of sound in my ears- if it's quiet, it's ringing, unless I have anything else to focus on/distract myself with lmao) mainly acts up when I'm very sleep deprived and stressed I think mzxcnvc

Iguazu couldn't even tell exactly when/why the tinnitus is acting up cuz Ayre doesn't always talk- maybe he catches the background noise/thoughts from her, maybe it's like a poorly tuned TV antenna, Iunno lmao

[deft pelican]

I believe there's cut dialogue for the final mission ||which states "aggregated human brainwaves function much the same as coral" https://youtu.be/ic0QEGl6q7s?si=hX7EmDfhxyvmlMUS||

Take with a grain of salt though

[surreal tundra]

yeah, that, but Iunno if it really says something about what's powering the ||ALLMIND-SOL644||

[deft pelican]

I don't see other ways she could conveniently have ||2 sea spiders up and running without a coral analogue||

[surreal tundra]

and the wave does knock out coral-stuff outside of 621's physical hookup-

[deft pelican]

They're notably unmodified looking compared to her version of ||IBIS SOL||

Yeah!

[surreal tundra]

so i guess it's just ||ALLMIND||-converted Coral? lmao

I wonder if it's a functional difference or not

[deft pelican]

||I like to think that sheer concentrated human willpower is genuinely that strong in the AC6 verse: Rusty is so determined he unknowingly willed terminal armor into existence in his final Fires route fight||

[surreal tundra]

it's also kinda funny cuz it reminds me of the true GN-Drive colors being green/teal/blue-ish vs the GN-Drive Taus being orange and red if unfiltered, except you'd be playing with red coral, so it's reversed XD

[deft pelican]

Also I should probably spoiler tag all this lot

[surreal tundra]

and White Glint did the same too-
At the bare minimum ||Rusty|| overcharged the hell out of the terminal armor XD

[serene kettle]

This seems to be the general narrative thrust. ||Even in that very fight, Iguazu manages to overcome ALLMIND's control with sheer white-hot rage, leaving them largely in the backseat in the last couple of phases||

I'm still pleased with this particular summary of the final boss tho lol

[surreal tundra]

It's still so incredibly funny to think about sometimes, and also ||probs plays at least some part of why ALLMIND|| has the failgirl reputation lmao
Just that 621 is- well, kinda insanely skilled and extremely determined, as it goes with an Armored Core protag, sooo- yeah XD

[patent oyster]

I can fix her /s

[serene kettle]

it's really funny too because ||ALLMIND genuinely hides as the mastermind in plain sight for two and a half playthroughs and plays half the cast like a fiddle, but the plot just collapses at the eleventh hour because of Iguazu's Salty Gamer Rage and 621 just being that good||

[eager vector]

This is also the plot of my hero academia

[surreal tundra]

yeah XD
literally everything else is like- "this works", the moment ||621 touches things oops, now it all spirals out of control||

[serene kettle]

||the alternate beginning of act 5 for NG++ before things go sour for ALLMIND|| is delightfully chilling though

||"A chain made of human links is easily broken."||

[surreal tundra]

goddess, yeah, like-
'you chose this, you better see it through'

[patent oyster]

Imagine saying that while not being able to shoot down more than 4 unarmed transport helicopters though

[deft pelican]

Local hound touches best laid scheme o' mice and men: things immediately go agley

[patent oyster]

She cannot erase the fail from the failgirl

[serene kettle]

to be fair ||Kate Markson really isn't kitted great for that mission||

[surreal tundra]

maybe it's a mission failure cuz the test is for 621 in particular, but it's still funny XD

[patent oyster]

But she has laser dagger!! All she had to do was dagger sling cancel up to the helicopters and 2nd stage KSRV

Pvp nest is canon

So this is just Allmind's skill issue

She literally has everyones pvp data

[deft pelican]

||MIA is beautifully horrifying. Shout outs to the VAs, they did a fucking incredible job||

[serene kettle]

Well, everyone except Carla's

😛

[surreal tundra]

in general the VAs are hella fun I think XD

[surreal tundra]

maybe outdated data at best? Iunno

[deft pelican]

I adore the VO in AC6

Like it a lot more than the JP voices

[serene kettle]

it's very funny that Carla hacked the arena program

[patent oyster]

Speaking of which, i found it quite amusing when vaati brought up the fact that HCs and LCs arent modular so PCA pilots cant check the patch notes and adapt their craft to suit the meta

[serene kettle]

One of several early indications she's way more than she seems

[deft pelican]

I feel like it was the same in Ace Combat 7 where I felt disappointed that Japanese Torres was not nearly as hammy

[patent oyster]

EN Michigan >>>>> JP Michigan

[surreal tundra]

TBF, they make up for it with "our gundams can fit more bullshit in general", and some weapons are indeed multi-mode like that one HC with a shield+plasma lance

[serene kettle]

Michigan definitely feels like a stereotypical anime American even though he isn't actually

[deft pelican]

To be fair something like the pulse shield HC is incredibly versatile and would likely maul most arena combatants

[surreal tundra]

I definitely think he's supposed to be lmao, Arquebus is basically the cool blue oni thing

[serene kettle]

I mostly mean he isn't literally an American, probably

[deft pelican]

We're just playing the local natural disaster sweeping through

[serene kettle]

there's no evidence america's still a thing and the best indication we get of where he's from is Jupiter iirc

[surreal tundra]

frankly our performance (and that of others on our tier or a bit under like Rusty and totally-ordinary-bloodknight) is probably a major outlier for performance against LCs and HCs,

[serene kettle]

For starters, the fact that we're in S-rank at all after a while

Like, we also maul the arena combatants 😛

[surreal tundra]

oh absolutely, 621 is a force of nature

[serene kettle]

Like, 621, Rusty, Freud, Nightfall are all clearly monsters in their field narratively

[surreal tundra]

the flying LCs are up-armored and quite fast, like the Ecdromoi IIRC, would be pretty annoying to fight, especially if someone as good as you was piloting it

[surreal tundra]

if only we got more monstrous fights against them in-game to match the lore lmao,

[deft pelican]

Game AI is hard :<

[serene kettle]

speak for yourself, Nightfall took me more than a few attempts my first time through 😛

[surreal tundra]

tho I guess that just adds to "621 is friggin monstrously skilled even among other monsters"

[serene kettle]

like yeah sure eventually I got gud and nothing is too challenging anymore

[surreal tundra]

mrrp XD

[deft pelican]

Nightfall is a bit of a cheesy build to be fair lol

[serene kettle]

Nightfall is also one of the game's more blatant input readers

[surreal tundra]

cheesy?

[deft pelican]

He's designed to nuke players quickly with pilebunker and AA

[serene kettle]

Oh, also a fair addition to that list only seen on NG++: ||Thumb Dolmayan||

[deft pelican]

Add songbirds to catch you if you're too grounded

[serene kettle]

That fight is nuts

[surreal tundra]

Oh heck yeah friggin ||Dolmayan||,

[serene kettle]

The arena variant is a pale imitation

[deft pelican]

||Dolmayan is a trooper. Made me make my own BAWS only build||

[serene kettle]

I really like the BAWS parts

Obviously the Basho Arms are stupidly common because their stats are jacked, but I also really like the head and core a lot

[deft pelican]

He just uses such plain equipment then rudely reminds a lot of people that the pulse blade is among the best melees in the game

[serene kettle]

head is one of my defaults if I'm not sure what head I want

just because it has super low EN drain and a lot of AP

[deft pelican]

It's a solid low-energy stat brick

[surreal tundra]

UwU
deserved
Pulse Blade is amazing and deserves the rep

[serene kettle]

yep lol

[deft pelican]

It bothers me most PvP builds use verill as their stat stick though, gets old even if it looks cool. Granted I know they're not exactly playing fashion core

[serene kettle]

also you do have to remember for the in-character monstrousness that ||Dolmayan's boss intro has him oneshotting a PCA chopper||

like holy shit what an entrance

[deft pelican]

||If only my assault armour hit for like 30k damage||

[serene kettle]

absolutely worf'd

[radiant birch]

Strongest weapons in the game are cutscene armaments

[surreal tundra]

yeeeaaaap

Like- that's gotta be close to the intended "lore" effect of an ||AA|| I guess,

[deft pelican]

Even in the reveal trailer Nightfall still has to shishkebab a dude after using AA though

Varies I think

[radiant birch]

They're well-designed visually, but they stick out so much from the rest of the parts that I find myself not really wanting to combine them

[deft pelican]

It's whatever the writer thinks would work at the time which is fine tbh

[radiant birch]

One reason I've never gone for the Basho melee meta

[serene kettle]

They're definitely particularly boxy/angular

[deft pelican]

It wouldn't matter as much if they didn't have like 25 more melee spec than the nearest arms

[serene kettle]

I remember struggling with Killing Fields' design because I didn't like the weird look from mixing Basho and Mind Alpha parts

[deft pelican]

It's neat but but a tad polarising

[surreal tundra]

TBF that could easily be a tuning/modification thing in-universe,
And also it could just be that ACs are just- iunno, better able to handle it-
The PCA chopper is big, more surface area for the "explosion" to catch on, vs a smaller AC, or whatever other mitigating circumstances

[deft pelican]

Basho legs are also awesome

[serene kettle]

I think I eventually swapped the legs to Melander so it was more consistently boxy

[deft pelican]

Best in class mobility for heavier midweights

And low EN, high AP to boot

[serene kettle]

Yeah I used basho legs on my first playthrough

[radiant birch]

Yeah I had a mixed Basho/Melander build at one point too

[serene kettle]

My (kinda bad) first playthrough build was basho legs and arms on Wrecker Core with...I don't actually remember which head

[deft pelican]

I played a nachtreiher/firmeza laser lance + parry shield build on my first couple playthroughs

[serene kettle]

It's also notably a coral AA

[radiant birch]

Spring Chicken legs for me

[serene kettle]

which ignores defenses

[deft pelican]

Tru

[radiant birch]

Can't remember which core but I didn't realize until after beating NG that I was using a very sub-optimal generator

Still managed to beat Ibis with that thing

[deft pelican]

In fairness the generator stats are labelled weirdly for new players

Can't blame you on that one

[radiant birch]

They really are yeah

[serene kettle]

IBIS is, even now, the boss that gives me the most consistent trouble

[deft pelican]

It seems more build reliant I will say

[serene kettle]

IBIS and the last phase of the NG++ boss are two of the hardest things in the game for me

[deft pelican]

Gunboats make it pretty reasonable but I had a hell of a time killing it with a dual melee build

[serene kettle]

also Arquebus Balteus, I guess, depending on build

Arquebus Balteus was the only boss I couldn't beat with Lumberjack

I tried over and over again

but couldn't do it for reasons that felt really unfair

[deft pelican]

||Snailteus is a wonderful boss, absolutely love fighting them||

[serene kettle]

(mostly its shape/hitboxes are super weird and I had a devil of a time getting the chainsaw to not whiff)

[deft pelican]

Chainsaw has always been very finicky

[serene kettle]

Yeah, Lumberjack is my chainsaw build

I have beaten the game with it except for Arquebus Balteus specifically

[radiant birch]

Ibis I wound up cheesing the first time with dual zims + dual stun needle

[serene kettle]

and by beaten the game I do mean every mission

lol

[deft pelican]

Prepatch zimms were something else

[serene kettle]

Dual Stun Needle absolutely gives IBIS a bad time

[deft pelican]

Needles are also fantastic still

[radiant birch]

Hmmm

Maybe I should revisit my shield tank + stun needle build concept sometime

[serene kettle]

But yeah, Lumberjack is my chainsaw meme build

I originally made it to fuck around with my pvp friends

[radiant birch]

Don't think it'd work in PVP but it could do for PVE

[deft pelican]

I have a bastard heavyweight build which is twin bad cooks, coral shield and needle

It works wonderfully at making your opponent never want to play against you again 😬

[radiant birch]

Lmao

[deft pelican]

I don't like playing it except for gags lol

[serene kettle]

here's Lumberjack wrecking IBIS' shit first try though lol

[radiant birch]

Sounds a bit like my bad cook + gatling + trueno build

[serene kettle]

Basic build is lightweight with Jav Betas on the shoulders and chainsaw in the left hand

right hand is empty

just chainsaw, fists, and Jav Beta for pressure

[deft pelican]

💪

God fist into chainsaw is such a silly combo tool

In fact fist is kinda silly and enables a lot of speedrun quick kills

You get like 4 or 5 guaranteed comboable hits with it not counting things like shotgun staggers

[serene kettle]

and here's killshots on all of the final bosses with it

[radiant birch]

Can fists still stunlock a staggered opponent

[deft pelican]

Sweet 16 also gives you extended stagger to add even more hits on

Yup

That never changed afaik

[serene kettle]

I tried Sweet 16 but didn't like it

[deft pelican]

It's a punish tool

[serene kettle]

fists just feel better for what I'm doing here

[deft pelican]

Can easily chunk off 2000 or so on stagger

[serene kettle]

Fist feels really good for comboing into chainsaw

[deft pelican]

Twin Haldeman twin 16 is a very fun assault boost aggro build

[serene kettle]

partially because the lunge on the punch really helps with spacing the chainsaw's wonky hitbox

[deft pelican]

Oh yeah definitely take fist for chainsaw

You'd be silly not to

I believe most runners use laser cannon for stagger combo extensions anyway

[serene kettle]

oh and just for good measure, here's it vs the hardest boss in the game 😛

[deft pelican]

Smh not Invincible Rummy

[serene kettle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1159881122822492271/1234659419929710654/A6D77C66-AB37-4219-919E-32B6AAC7CD21.mov?ex=664f3370&is=664de1f0&hm=8405d5fc7c179bf282c6e07e93d84c74c73c46457c00439110d98c7c95b131f5&

every time

[deft pelican]

That's what I'm talking about

[serene kettle]

and of course the true final boss

||Now you are one with ALLSTOMP||

[deft pelican]

Every time I play against friends we always cap off with the MAD STOMP mirror match

No better way to end it

[surreal tundra]

oh yeah that, yeah

[surreal vine]

Nightfall can input read all day; I simply slap on my dual rifles + missile kiting build and run circles around 'em plinking

heh

actually

I'll just repost like my one video I've put public on YT lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mk3dVgoAV4

[patent oyster]

New build

I really cant give up LW jamming

[grave jolt]

||Just took down V.III O'keefe. "Maybe now...i'll get some sleep." Well said man.||

||Im gonna get some sleep too.||

[deft pelican]

Fuck yeah. My only quibble is why basho arms? Melee spec doesn't affect the tai-yang-shou iirc

[wooden nimbus]

I think I have basho on my mech but I don't remember if redshift sword beams are affected by that or not

[serene kettle]

uh, I know MOONLIGHT's are

probably Redshift's too

[wooden nimbus]

Yeah if moonlight is I bet redshift is

[deft pelican]

only tai yang shou is unaffected by melee spec

all the rest are fine

[wooden nimbus]

One of the quirks of vibes-based mech design is sometimes you have no idea why you choose something but nothing else feels Feels Right™️

[deft pelican]

basho is still often a good decision because it has fantastic defensive stats for the weight to be fair

[serene kettle]

yeah that's the thing, beyond its jacked melee spec, Basho Arms are just all-around pretty good

the jacked melee spec doesn't really have a cost, they're not particularly specialized

[wooden nimbus]

Like vibes it's why I'm a RJ user in general

[serene kettle]

I mostly don't like this one's RJ legs

😔

[wooden nimbus]

Basho just some good arms

[serene kettle]

except spring chicken

[wooden nimbus]

I liked them before they nerfed my boosters

[deft pelican]

58 firearms spec is solid enough that the correct choice of FCS makes it not matter too much

[serene kettle]

I'm spoiled by ACVD's light RJs though

[wooden nimbus]

But now I just don't feel right using anything else

ACVD HRJ was peak

[serene kettle]

Nothing compares to Fisherman/Forehead

[wooden nimbus]

I also just visually like RJ legs over humanoid

[deft pelican]

I like RJs on evasive gun platform builds like laser rifles, ransetsu RFs, bad cooks

[serene kettle]

Yellowjacket was an aerial nightmare and I felt like a golden goddess after beating N-WGIX with it

[deft pelican]

the airborne on boost thing makes it a hard sell for me when it comes to melee though which is my preferred deal

[wooden nimbus]

I think redlining is easier on RJ too since you at least have more mobility when you're out of en

[deft pelican]

true

[wooden nimbus]

And I'm very much a redline player

[deft pelican]

ahhh I'm the opposite

love the dafeng regen reactors

hokushi is also cool and neat

[wooden nimbus]

I miss being able to buerzel kick kites into oblivion without having to strip every spare ounce of weight I can off my build to catch anything

I dont care what weight class you are it's jarring when an ab can be outpaced by a retrobooster

[deft pelican]

yeah the PvP balance of AC6 thus far has been a little wonky, but in truth I have no idea how I'd go about fixing it :/

[wooden nimbus]

Delta V doesn't exist you're just imagining things

[polar osprey]

redshifts are just unaffected by energy firearm spec iirc

[wooden nimbus]

I wouldn't be allowed to balance it even if I could

[deft pelican]

to my knowledge the only melee affected by energy spec is the moonlight as of the current patch

which I think is fine because melee builds being forced onto the NGI 000 for good energy cap and energy firearm spec would kinda suck

[polar osprey]

yeah

it would

[wooden nimbus]

Yeah

I miss ACVD again

I love my chunky five meter bots

[polar osprey]

i would love to try it if i could

even though i am like, a real ACFA fan

[deft pelican]

if you've got a strong PC then it emulates okay on RPCS3

[polar osprey]

does it?

cause i tried ACV and it did not like it at all

[deft pelican]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Rpq_2D4Rf3g6O-x2R1fwTSKWvJH7X63kExsVxHnT2Mc/edit#gid=0

it's very heavily CPU dependent though

A and S tier off this list should guarantee relatively solid performance (being a late PS3 game is sadly a whole-ass hog)

[polar osprey]

i seem to have a high B-tier cpu from what i can tell

[deft pelican]

may still be worth a shot; some of the folks on the AC cord have made a custom VD install of RPCS3

they might have made some optimisations

granted it's probably still a hassle

[polar osprey]

i tried normal ACV so i might as well give ACVD a shot

[deft pelican]

[surreal tundra]

I thought coral weapons are affected by all 3 specializations and only add up to 15% when it's all combined? or iunno, actually

[polar osprey]

one of them is unaffected

[wooden nimbus]

ACVD was pretty much a wholesale improvement of the fundamentals over ACV

But if you didn't like feeling like you are a dedicated ground vehicle you might still not be keen on it

VD feels like one of the most "land vehicle with boosters" generations

Where even earlier ACs would at least let you be semi aerial for short bursts without needing parkour but the way ACVD rewarded using level geometry was so good

[serene kettle]

yeah

though light RJs did give you probably the most aerial mobility out of any leg option

[wooden nimbus]

I love dense urban mazes and the only thing I would love more is having them be levels of absurd scale with tunnels and platformed layers and shit like that

[serene kettle]

You couldn't fly per se but you had an auxiliary thruster that would give you a massive boost to walljump height and you could glide very effectively

[wooden nimbus]

Yes I love grid086

How did you know

[serene kettle]

and with enough walljumping you could gain and maintain lots of height

[wooden nimbus]

Yeah

It is very fun

[serene kettle]

Basically in ACVD, every wall was a catapult if you had the right setup

😛

[wooden nimbus]

I still kinda wish ACVD quads could like

Walk up walls if you did manual walk instead of boosting

Act like a friggin spider

[serene kettle]

honestly I haven't liked quads much since AC1/2 where they were swivel chairs with an astonishingly stable firing platform

[wooden nimbus]

Would also make the whole sniper platform thing work better too

Yeah I feel like they should be something that turns you into a gun turret

AC2 was my favorite classic AC

[serene kettle]

Yeah the funny thing about it in AC 1/2 is that they were basically a lot like light treads in how they operated

[wooden nimbus]

Spider tanks

[serene kettle]

you could move laterally in any direction you liked on a dime, you didn't need to brace or kneel for heavy weapons, and you (this is important) didn't need to spend energy to skate at top speed

which is a standard feature circa ac6, of course, but it was exceptional in AC1/2

[wooden nimbus]

Yeah

[serene kettle]

they had high energy drain as a cost though and their built-in boosters tended to be on the weak side so your aerial ability was impaired

[wooden nimbus]

Honestly while I understand the fun of it a part of me hates how skating is default now

[serene kettle]

It's a reasonable compromise, I think

though I do miss AC1's boosting

[wooden nimbus]

In a "why do we have legs if we never use them as legs" sense

[serene kettle]

to kick obviously

[wooden nimbus]

Me in my MIND BETA

But yeah like... If there was a trade between walking and skating even

Like if skating lowered your accuracy and wasn't a gorillion times better than walking

I would be into it

But I'm an old man wishing things were slower

I think Hawken, much as that fell off, handled running and skating very well

[serene kettle]

Hawken was magic

absolutely sick game

[wooden nimbus]

So magical they couldn't even recreate it

[serene kettle]

lol yeah

there's a reason Master of Arena is my favorite AC game

[wooden nimbus]

The code of that game is apparently sorcery

[serene kettle]

some of that is definitely nostalgia but it's an incredible execution of what makes AC good

[wooden nimbus]

MoA was the first ac I beat

AC2 is my nostalgia baby but MoA was very good

[serene kettle]

that's fair

I do really like AC2

[wooden nimbus]

When I realized the similarities between ac2 and dxm I lost my mind

[serene kettle]

for me it's kind of awkwardly between Master of Arena and the also-fantastic AC3 though

AC2 makes some bold decisions I respect though, like actually making biological enemies relevant

get a head with a biosensor for the love of god

Also the absolutely hilarious voice acting for the emeraude rep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX8aD62D_Wc

the briefing in the first minute of this video remains comedy gold

[wooden nimbus]

I can't remember which patron it is bit there's one mission in particular where it's the most

Outrageously and obviously evil man

Straight up "What If Albert Wesker Was Somehow Less Subtle" ass

I think it's one where you target an Emeraude facility

It's been so long but that was the golden age of silly voices in general so

I think it was the Zio Matrix Earth branch actually

[cursive agate]

Coral counts as it's own damage type, otherwise follows normal weapon stat interactions (ex. Firearm Spec improving crosshair tracking, Melee Spec affecting coral melee damage).

Last I've tried, Coral weapons aren't affected by Energy Firearm Spec (which gives more flexibility in generator choice).

[patent oyster]

It has the best AP-weight ratio of any arm in the game

[surreal vine]

Yeah Basho arms kind of wind up as a common stat-stick arm

[cursive agate]

Messing around with parts in PVE, I think the buffed VE-21A FCS is at least usable with 36 Close-Range, while the VE-21B is awful with just 15 Close-Range (unless you're using missiles/zoning super hard).

[patent oyster]

The issue with long range FCS isnt that your AC cant track targets far away

Its just that bullet velocity in this game is super slow on average

And that ricochet exists as a mechanic

The fact that lasers and railguns can ricochet is very strange imo

[surreal tundra]

A very, very good reason, if not one of the best XD

[surreal tundra]

Referring more to what tuning affects it at least, IIRC

[surreal tundra]

Honestly besides game mechanics I just chalk it up to how "Core Theory" and "armor and/or evasion got so good that it's useless to fight at longer ranges" get abstracted? Or iunno
Like if far away enough then you can get your armor to catch them at an angle or diffuse the energy somehow,
At least the loss of energy over long distances could explain why energy weapons get less effective, but since it affects everything then it just being a quirk of armor/evasion development in-universe could also make sense/cover more than one case

funnily you could also logic it as some kinda Haki/Willpower fight shenanigans lmao, we know ||Rusty can at bare minimum overcharge Terminal Armor||, and ||apparently agitated brainwaves mimic Coral somehow according to a deleted thing||, so it doesn't feel entirely outta the question

[serene kettle]

ACV/ACVD actually had distinct mechanics for damage types here - KE weapons fell off linearly with range, TE weapons fell off abruptly at range (but cost energy from your boost meter to fire), and CE weapons didn't fall off with range at all but had the lowest projectile speed so tended to be more easily dodged

[patent oyster]

I mean i can also think of lore friendly justifications for the mechanic, but it still contributes to the lower viability of long range combat despite the lore saying new technology is trying to move away from core theory

[patent oyster]

https://www.reddit.com/r/armoredcore/comments/1czb0d5/more_armored_core_6_kits_to_be_announced/

More AC6 kits

[wet shard]

hmmmm

if they release a RaD model or a Balam model

i may change from nightfall raven to that

[surreal tundra]

Hm, maybe it's really new (in-universe)-
'course the Doylist thing is likely that they probably didn't really focus the tuning for that, Iunno
Maybe the sequel can better make the most of things, like VD did for V or FA did for 4, or a DLC/later patch can adjust things better, Iunno,

[wooden nimbus]

(Speculation) Between crossing the Rubicon and the ending named Alea Iacta Est, what if we keep going with the references and ||there's a Coral Civil War as the minds contained in it begin to diverge and conflict over who's in charge of this new system||

Though regardless I have a meme ready ahead of time in case they do the thing where you have to fight 621 in a later game

[cursive agate]

Gotten a feel for the Tai-Yang-Shou explosive launcher, is a really nice Bazooka/Melee hybrid for quad/tank builds since they don't stop to swing.

[patent oyster]

explosive thrower is one of my favourite weapons in the game ngl

ET jamming is one of my favourite combos

(Also new build lol)

[eager vector]

kyoriku to KRSV goes crazy lmao

[wooden nimbus]

I can't get a hang for the thrower but it is definitely cool

[cursive agate]

I've found it really nice in close-range circle-strafe/footsies moments, attacking a wide area instead of opponents directly. Charged swing has diagonal spread and more range, which is nice if you see a bigger opening from a distance.

[wooden nimbus]

Taking notes

[surreal tundra]

at least it seems possible in that scenario that no matter what, 621 and Ayre survive the fight with whatever protag we get, mrrew,
goddess I hope they survive that cuz like- how often does that actually happen in Armored Core?

I guess ***maybe ***White Glint's pilot could have survived too, but still, you wouldn't be able to tell,

[surreal tundra]

||and/or maybe it's also whatever the other Coral minds have attached themselves to, it definitely ends up with coral, and thus c-wave mutations, pretty much everywhere, so different upbringings/local experiences can do shenanigans with a diaspora like that I think XD||

[patent oyster]

paint update

[eager vector]

Very sexy

[polar osprey]

very clean

[patent oyster]

Its supposed to be my build but actually somewhat lore friendly

[surreal vine]

ALLMIND-ifying builds is fun

[patent oyster]

The idea is that the pilot is a former recon MT pilot who became a merc working under allmind

The jamming bomb launcher is a cover for the MDD cloak system the unit has installed

[surreal vine]

I took my competitive lightweight build and had the "what if they got grabbed" approach to that

Legs and head swapped alongside paintjob

[deft pelican]

Judging from the mechanics and the way the OS upgrades phrase things, ACs in 6th gen mitigate damage by dynamically angling and moving limbs to ensure shots always get deflected so long as the ACS gets enough time to process the incoming shot, which is why ACS failures cause you to eat shit quite so dramatically (Lasers still get deflected at long distance via this logic since you're spreading the beam over more surface area, and I assume ACs have some ablative coating). When factions say they're moving away from core theory I typically assumed they're referring to shunning what the Kikaku is made for: rocketing into melee to bypass that ACS adjustment gap, but that doesn't mean they're not still trying to attack at close ranges.

[polar osprey]

going to try to see if i can do something with ACV and ACVD again

[deft pelican]

💪

[serene kettle]

good luck!

AC:VD is one of my top 5

just an absolutely stellar once-finale to the franchise

[deft pelican]

let's just hope the prior CPU problems were a blip 😅

[polar osprey]

seems to be working in menus and shit at least

gonna need to tweak some settings for performance

but Verdict Day is working

unlike V

[proven bison]

Test

Didn't work lmao

My discord has stuck me a million scrolls up the chat, and isn't letting me shortcut to the bottom

Pain

[polar osprey]

incredible

[proven bison]

Somebody ping me

Maybe that'll work

[serene kettle]

a good sign!

Verdict Day is an amazing game, highly recommended

the economy is brutal though. If you (understandably) want to farm cash, I recommend mission 1-4

it's pretty trivial to no-hit

[proven bison]

I made it!

What a horrid slog though

[polar osprey]

apparently i am using mostly junk parts

i have no idea what that means but you know, i'm sure i'll figure it out

ok this is incredibly laggy

[serene kettle]

Junk parts are your starting stuff, they’re low quality but also low cost

This does mean repair costs are lower tho

[polar osprey]

Loader 4 ain't half bad

i think i'm just good at the game now so i can do most things with any like, reasonably functional build

was trying to see if i could comprehend Balteus being a wall but even dropping in my ultra-lightweight stun build didn't really make it all that hard

tried Loader 4 and it did quite well

[surreal tundra]

Yeah, this makes sense to me, given how much of a role evasion plays in damage mitigation across the games,
It does mean that if you're trying to deal with that at longer ranges then it's like- you really need upgun a lotta things to properly compensate for that

[surreal tundra]

And the shift in the speed/weight ratio absolutely helps

[polar osprey]

?

[serene kettle]

the biggest issue with Loader 4 is its generator. It's actually pretty solid otherwise

[polar osprey]

i tried a few different builds against Balteus

notably Aperture Momentum did worse than basically everything else

as much as i love Aperture Momentum it doesn't really hold up to any kind of tricky or difficult combat

the problematic fave because it sucks at everything

[surreal tundra]

Like, before the speed update I think it was hard to break 300 with it? Or- I think boost was 200-something,
Wait might.be misremembering the numbers

[polar osprey]

ah i see

Detonation Derby also did surprisingly well

still has to be my favourite AC that i've made just for like, theme

the hotrod style just fucks hard

[serene kettle]

double JVLN Alpha is such a flex lmao

[polar osprey]

i'm not going to pretend it's a good build but it's funny

just like Aperture Momentum is kind of a fucking awful build

but i love it anyway

it's really slow and once you fire the weapons and they are on recharge you are basically a sitting duck

you basically hit everything first try or the enemy kills you

[summer bay]

I am fucking SPEED

I have no idea how people dont realize that lightweights are fun as fuck

[surreal tundra]

Heck yeah XD

[wooden nimbus]

That seems like you'd be fun to fight

[summer bay]

Too bad i'm instantly crippled by mid to long range enemies/evasive enemies

[summer bay]

Though if you play on xbox i'd be happy to fight ya

[wooden nimbus]

PC

Also I will specifically build a mech based around what will look very cool fighting you I do not care

A win is worth nothing if we don't get the spectacle of both of us being dope as hell

[wooden nimbus]

This guy maybe

switched out because I gave it a new paintjob

[surreal tundra]

it is the coolest thing lmao, and you can't even feel that bad if you lose cuz you both pushed it as hard as you could XD

[wooden nimbus]

Right

[polar osprey]

lightweights are super cool to play when it goes well

this is my second Ultralightweight combat AC

the successor to Nuclear Whiplash, Nuclear Collision

it's not as bad as Nuclear Whiplash but it's still extremely lightweight

Nuclear Whiplash is still the most lightweight functional AC i've made

which is still one of my all time favourite builds

[patent oyster]

Id recommend swapping to kasuar for the extra attitude stability

Which ultralightweights sorely need

[polar osprey]

reasonable

[wooden nimbus]

Why is stun baton so cool

Aside from the potential to hit em with the "you are already dead"

[radiant birch]

low cooldown

you can potentially do a melee build without weapon swapping

also it's a lightning baton, nuff said

[deft pelican]

it also has a long as fuck combo which looks badass

[deft pelican]

I wonder if you could do baton combo 1-4, 3 punches to reset cooldown, then baton combo them

might be able to extend it with the shock proc

[wooden nimbus]

I had one that swapped between baton and laser dagger that was just

Always Be Striking

By the time one connects the next one is ready

[polar osprey]

sounds fun

[radiant birch]

Arquebus Neverending Melee Combo

[deft pelican]

sadly it can't be neverending, since there's a hard limit to the length of melee/punch strings

notably stagger shots from laser cannons or shotguns like the sweet 16 etc do not count towards this cap, and I have to wonder if the electric proc is similar

forgot where I got this info from

[patent oyster]

Fun fact, dagger normal attack sequence -> zimm stagger extension -> dagger normal attack sequence does 15k+ AP worth of damage

[wooden nimbus]

A couple adjustments and realizing the lam head made my AS in the fuckin 1300 band I now have my old favorite head on this thing

[summer bay]

Evasive Maneuvers

[wooden nimbus]

I'm sad that this shotgun is so much better than machineguns

I got in a couple nest matches with it this morning and even though I had a couple losses the baton/Zim combo eats mechs for breakfast

[polar osprey]

nice

[wooden nimbus]

It just don't got that same feel of like, ratatata you know

Who's that one guy in the older AC games who just really likes machine guns

I vibe with him

[polar osprey]

i get it

as a machine gun enjoyer myself, REAL

[wooden nimbus]

At least being a machine gun person makes pve missions with dense enemy groups a breeze

[polar osprey]

true

chang chen are my favourites i think

[wooden nimbus]

Chang Chen smoke very well

[polar osprey]

i'm using the burst ones on Ruber

can't remember the name rn

[wooden nimbus]

I know them

[polar osprey]

Pale Painter uses Chang Chens tho

[wooden nimbus]

I like all the machine guns for different reasons

[polar osprey]

so long as i can just hold down the trigger without thinking i'm good

i don't much like anything that needs to be charged or that i have to constantly tap the trigger for

[wooden nimbus]

Give me that laser gatling

[polar osprey]

big gun that shoots fast makes me happy

bigger gun, more ammo, shoots faster, always a win

[wooden nimbus]

I didn't mind tapping the shit out of my mouse so much but half the time I do the game registers it as a charge

[polar osprey]

i'm on controller

so it gets tiring fast

[wooden nimbus]

I like the idea of twin laser pistols or uncharged rail guns and slamming them but I try and if there's even a slight hiccup in whatever the game is thinking

Suddenly I'm not firing I'm charging up

[polar osprey]

yeah same

i'm pretty brainless in combat ngl, most of the time i forget to even check if my reticle is locked while i'm shooting

kinda just

hold down the trigger so long as i can see the enemy

[wooden nimbus]

For me it's that my favorite builds rarely get over 1600AS unless I make compromises and stagger spikes are never getting tuned down again so I have to focus on my defensive stuff

[polar osprey]

it's why i run machine guns and the most basic missiles

they reload fast

lmao

[wooden nimbus]

So I need my guns brainless so I can think about not being hit

[polar osprey]

i don't really pay attention to those stats

ngl

[wooden nimbus]

In the campaign all I cared about was vibes and speed

There he is

My brother

[polar osprey]

king shit

[wooden nimbus]

My kindred spirit

[polar osprey]

him and the one guy

[wooden nimbus]

1111

[polar osprey]

absolutely goated behaviour

[eager vector]

no left hand weapon bc there’s no left hand mg in AC2, incredibly based

[polar osprey]

i respect these two and nobody else

[polar osprey]

Ruber surprisingly does have 1600 AS

[wooden nimbus]

Nice

[polar osprey]

using a coral gen which i kiiiiiinda shouldn't

but it does complete the aesthetic

[wooden nimbus]

Redlining is fun though

I too love redlining with an rj

I wonder if my zippy build could use the light RJ legs

Nacht looks cool but I like my bouncy dash

[polar osprey]

fair

i'm a big reverse joint enjoyer

[wooden nimbus]

It looks cool as hell

[polar osprey]

it does

being able to jump high is also useful

[wooden nimbus]

ACVD also converted me fully to RJ

Also I've been relieved to find my hot take (V/VD movement good) is surprisingly lukewarm in the larger AC community

[polar osprey]

thinking of what gen i would run instead of the coral one

prolly the san-tai

[wooden nimbus]

I like whichever coral fits my weight limit, the hokushi, and I don't know enough about blue generators to know which one I should be using

[patent oyster]

Im slightly red green colourblind so the center red reticle is practically invisible to me 😔

[polar osprey]

i'm using the one with more capacity and more post recovery supply

honestly idk what the other one is even for

i am potentially missing something but the Aorta seems to be just worse in every way than the NGI 000 stat wise

[eager vector]

it’s lighter

[polar osprey]

oh right

i was reading the weight thing completely wrong

that'd do it

it is significantly lighter

i'm still going to use the NGI 000 on Pale Painter Ruber since weight and speed are not really concerns

[deft pelican]

Even so I find that the trade off basically doesn't exist since the generator is the place you don't want to skimp on

Same with boosters

[polar osprey]

304 or 330 is not a difference that's going to make or break a combat encounter

funnily enough i have for fcs, boosters and gen a full Coral Research Institute setup

[serene kettle]

Guess you just can’t beat the Institute

[polar osprey]

it fits with the sort of mythology i came up with for it

coral integrated, coral stained, an AC to bridge the gap

a combination between cutting edge modern ALLMIND AC technology and the bleeding edge relics left behind by the Rubicon Research Institute

satisfies my gameplay needs AND my customization brain

[river junco]

Have y’all seen the AC6 nuzlocke thing?

[grave jolt]

What do you think? He's not done yet but i think im making good progress.

though unfortunately there're SO many weapons that V1 has access to that you kinda give him anything and it'll work

[surreal tundra]

goddess I love how far kicking takes them XD
It almost doesn't feel real in the "holy shit should we be allowed this much power?" kinda way z,mxcnbmxzb
But otherwise it's like- "oh hels yeah" cnbx

[surreal tundra]

roguelike?
or- different thing?

[river junco]

Kinda

So

It’s a challenge where you only have 8 AC loud outs to take on missions - usually the preset ones from NPCs and such

If you die on a mission, the loadout you died with can’t be used for the rest of the game

[surreal tundra]

Mhm,

sounds fair enough,

is it per run or per "all 3 endings" entirely?

or is it-

"8 you can pick per run and you can't pick the ones you already lost"?

[cursive agate]

• VP-20C (dark blue with 2 boxes) is essentially the default of blue generators. I'd describe it as AORTA but better, since it has chunky full-empty stats (1100 EN) without destroying other stats.
• VE-20C (slab of triangles) often gets used for Energy Firearm Spec, on the heavier side though.
• VP-20D (large, has pipes) gets partway to NGI 000, but at the cost of significant weight. I like it on heavy builds for massive EN Output, and 1400 EN after full-empty.

[river junco]

I don’t get what you mean but it’s usually not done using NG+, it’s done by doing the mission select of a fully completed file in order

You are supposed to do all the missions of a certain route with the 8 builds tho

[summer bay]

Currently listening to someone whine about terminal armor

As im using terminal armor

Like i could not care less-

[polar osprey]

terminal armor is the only one i use

[patent oyster]

Whining about TA? Honestly if someone whines about TA its a skill issue

[cursive agate]

I've been using assault armor more on heavy builds to keep up pressure when I see pulse armor windup.

[patent oyster]

Their build either doesnt do enough dps, or they just didnt manage their AP well enough

Because all you need to do to defeat TA is brawl it out until they pop TA, then turn around and fly in the opposite direction for 5 seconds

The only place where TA is genuinely the most tactically advantageous is in 3v3

[polar osprey]

TA is an extremely limitbreaker type deal which is basically only useful for a true last stand type situation imo

If you are losing against it you've literally just been outplayed

[patent oyster]

VP-20C is the most balanced EN weapon generator, literally. It has 100 en weapon spec (EN weapon buffs/nerfs happen above 100 and below 100 respectively). It has decent redline performance, good recharge, and doesnt weigh too much. Comparing it to the second worst generator in the game is doing it a bit of a disservice tbh

VE-20C is a weird one imo, its got a decent generator capacity and good output but its heavy, has almost unbearably slow recharge speeds, and doesnt even have the best EN weapon spec. Id personally take VE-20B over it (lighter, recharges faster, and has the max EN weapon spec) and adapt my loadout to fit the lower EN output

VP-20D is pretty alright, at the cost of being overly heavy and having a subpar redline performance. Id personally run VP-20C over it

VE-20A and VP-20S are lighter than the rest but dont have as much utility, especially VE-20A (decent EN weapon spec and output for its weight, but its pretty bad at everything else). At least VP-20S has alright redline performance, though its heavily kneecapped by its capacity and output, plus its the only blue gen that actually makes your EN weapons perform worse since it has 94 EN weapon spec

[patent oyster]

In practice, no matter the AC, weight and speed arent enough to make aorta a better option than NGI 000 (or basically any other generator)

Hell id run joso over aorta

[summer bay]

The one thing I despise about ac6's matchmaking is the fact that i keep facing the same guy, then I change builds to counter it and suddenly i fight someone else with the exact build needed to counter mine, rinse repeat

[patent oyster]

Here's pale painter ruber with joso (left numbers) and aorta (right numbers) respectively

Yes, aorta has better en weapon spec (105 vs 72) and EN capacity (3k vs 2.3k). Yes, aorta does increase the AC's EN supply. However, the weight increase causes recovery, boost speed, and QB speed to decrease, not to mention the given increase in EN recharge delay. The EN supply stat is pretty much negligible since coral gen gameplay ignores EN supply

Additionally, since RJs live and die by their grounded QB mobility, aotra objectively decreases mobility and surviability

[surreal tundra]

like basically picking the 8 builds and whatever you keep alive carries over to a new run for the next ending and you maybe get to fill up the empty slots and whatnot
might be a fun addition XD

[river junco]

Fair enough

[surreal tundra]

huh,
unfortunately I'd pick it over JOSO for the look and also cuz I got used to mag-dump QBs zmxncv

[patent oyster]

Paradoxically JOSO allows you to magdump your QBs more often

[surreal tundra]

huh, wild, is the Redlining amount a lot/practically comparable to the Aorta?

and- cuz I like hearing about this kinda stuff, thoughts on NGI-000?

[patent oyster]

Admittedly i haven't tested it in practical gameplay

[surreal tundra]

Mhm, I do like that I can ignore being on the ground kinda-sorta,

[patent oyster]

JOSO redline time is 1.82 seconds Aorta redline time is like 2.73 seconds

[surreal tundra]

how much does it redline for and how much flight time/how many QBs does it translate to?

[patent oyster]

After redlining on HAL core, JOSO takes 1.84 seconds to go from empty to full

While AORTA takes 2.76 seconds

[surreal tundra]

is that while on the ground/redline recovery goes up to one point and then natural/grounded EN recovery covers the rest?

[patent oyster]

Ignore me again lmao i double thinked myself

Redline time is in fact the delay between depletion time and recharge kicking in

[surreal tundra]

cuz purely on a "redline, then immediately start QBing again", am just wondering if the JOSO really does beat it out or not

[patent oyster]

Going back to my original message

[patent oyster]

In the case of pale painter ruber, Joso redline time is 1.84 sec and aorta redline time is 2.76 sec

[surreal tundra]

so almost a full second faster- how many QBs does each give you?

[patent oyster]

I havent calculated the actual EN recharge yet though

Joso inital immediate recharge is 17%, so after the 1.84 second redline, you'll get 391 EN back out of 2.3k

[surreal tundra]

mhm,
BTW no matter how much EN is actually consumed, if you QB you QB to your max distance right? at least is what I kinda remember,
*as in it rounds up basically

[patent oyster]

Joso has 769 en recharge

[patent oyster]

Yup

[surreal tundra]

mhm,
Is the JOSO's redline enough for like 2 QBs or 3?

[patent oyster]

Depends on the booster