Armored Core General!

[patent oyster]

Still wouldnt like to face it in PVP, from the perspective of a lightweight main

[polar osprey]

The only other option is Lamm core

Ephemera was preferable

Aperture momentum is an AC that pushes parts limitations to the limit

The arms are the only arms capable of holding the weapons, the legs are the only ones capable of holding the weight of the AC

The chest is one of two who can boost the generator enough to handle the strain of the weapons

The head has max stability and is compensating a bit for the torso

Limit tester proof of concept AC like Nuclear Whiplash

How far can we go while still staying feasible

[polar osprey]

Caveat on the legs btw, you could absolutely do tank but i just didn't want to

As an AC engineer i would probably work on a lot of high concept AC bullshit

[patent oyster]

Do you have a pic of the AC assembly menu so i can see the internals?

[polar osprey]

One moment

there we go

@patent oyster

[patent oyster]

You could consider swapping your booster to 12345, NGI001, or Burzel

[patent oyster]

Can i see the whole page so i can see the load limit and EN load

[polar osprey]

buerzel would be ideal i think

[patent oyster]

For firepower, you could consider using dual nebula instead of dual KSRV, i know KSRV does a ton of damage but dual wielding them isnt very practical if you're mostly using them uncharged

[polar osprey]

nah

that would be missing the point

i said it before

Aperture Momentum is a limit tester

it's a proof of concept AC

same thing with Nuclear Whiplash

they are both realistically speaking unwieldy and impractical

but they aren't designed to be good necessarily

i had a concept and i made an AC from it, form over function

KRSV are the biggest baddest guns i could put on it, and the Morleys are a bit more practical and enjoyable than the earshots which is why i have them

i appreciate the suggestions

but if i was going to change anything i would just make a new AC, like with Nuclear Collision

[patent oyster]

Thats fair

In any case, its a great concept and looks good as well

[polar osprey]

Yeah i'm particularly pleased with its aesthetics

[patent oyster]

If you want to retain the core essence of it, maybe just change the boosters out to something more AB friendly+propels you further per QB

But otherwise you're right, changing anything else would mess with the original intent

[polar osprey]

Most of my AC builds are form over function cause i find you get more interesting results that way

[patent oyster]

Same

I have a page in AC data dedicated to functional builds

But the other 3 are fashion focused

If they happen to be decent ACs, thats a bonus

[wooden nimbus]

Figured out how to make my recordings have higher quality! 🎉
Still have to compress it to 50MB

The mech is funky but the weapon loadout might wind up on GLEIPNIR

[patent oyster]

Id recommend charging the left plasma rifle

Its got a great AoE

People refer to it as the "minisawa"

[cursive agate]

The Vvc? Charged fire is nice for wide area coverage but I think Nebula is more consistent against ACs.

[patent oyster]

Nah people still like VVC in pvp

You have to get closer to use it effectively but it does good work

Neb is objectively better but some builds have weight and EN restrictions that dont allow you to run them

[wooden nimbus]

The main reason I don't is "I don't want two guns making me stop mid-move" but I can see the appeal.

[patent oyster]

Combine Vvc with a high EN spec gen, and itll melt things pretty quickly

[eager vector]

my only suggestion with this build is that you should use the charge shot on the KRSV more

[polar osprey]

Sounds like a good idea

I don't use charge weapons much so my instinct is to speed tap the triggers

I need to try some of my builds in pvp and see how it goes

Especially wanna try Wave Pressure and Sky Rain

Tho i def need to practice with them

[frank pivot]

The first one looks like it could totally work, though it might be improved by making sure you run san-tai and swapping the back missiles for splits so you have a variety of shots coming at your opponents and can trap them to force hits or dodges

[polar osprey]

i think the thing with Wave Pressure was just, being able to constantly shoot missiles

limitless pressure

i think the split missiles could be good tho

[polar osprey]

san-tai easily overburdens the legs

[wooden nimbus]

So y'all remember in acv how tetra npcs had those stabilizing pylons for using heavy sniping weapons and you could scope in with your sniper to be a long range support in squad matches

I want big squad battles to justify crap like that

[polar osprey]

i don't remember cause i never played ACV

but it sounds cool

[wooden nimbus]

It was

But it would've been cooler if they leaned into concepts from Chromehounds and included more environmental elements to use in the maps

[polar osprey]

trying out Nuclear Collision against Locksmith and Nightfall and

it goes hard as fuck

22 seconds to kill Locksmith and 21 to kill Nightfall

[wooden nimbus]

The movement limitations of V would have been ideal for huge maps with enough terrain to turn it into world of tanks and I'm mad they didn't see their chance

[kind halo]

Anyone got tips for landing close range kicks on MnK? Feel like they'd help my build a lot if I could land 'em more consistentlky

[polar osprey]

MnK?

[eager vector]

mouse and keyboard

[eager vector]

Are you using hard lock?

[polar osprey]

ah

well i can't help there sorry

i exclusively use a controller

just one of those games where it makes too much sense to my brain to use a controller so i never tried Mouse and Keyboard

[kind halo]

not as much, no

I feel thrown off by it

[cursive agate]

I think activating just before the melee/kick still helps with landing, steers the camera towards the hard lock target.

[eager vector]

Learning to use hard lock is how to land kicks

[kind halo]

Got any tips for it?

[eager vector]

don’t move your mouse, and practice

[kind halo]

nod
I find what screws me a lot of the time is the windup, by the time I start assault boosting my target's changed direction
Do i need to lead the kick?

[eager vector]

if you’re hard locked you pivot and track the target mid kick

[patent oyster]

@eager vector the thigh highs were such a pain

Why cant we just decal each leg individually

[polar osprey]

yeaaaah

it does become a massive annoyance

[eager vector]

REAL

damn this is fantastic

[small stone]

Oh shit

How do I beat Flatwell AND Rusty

[polar osprey]

Shoot

[small stone]

Edit

[patent oyster]

Flatwell spawns with half health, but rusty is much more lethal

[small stone]

I got it

That was hard

[patent oyster]

So you could do either one first

[small stone]

Did I fuck up the RLF ending

I wanna get LoR

[patent oyster]

No

[small stone]

It doesn’t make sense

[patent oyster]

You're fine

[small stone]

I just killed the vespers with Flatwell

[patent oyster]

Flatwell was there to stop you and rusty from fighting

And in true kira yamato fashion, that also means fighting you for some reason

Alternatively, he couldve thought that if he didnt intervene, rusty might get taken out

[patent oyster]

iirc, the only decision that decides the route is whether ||you betray carla or not||

[frank pivot]

Yup!

It's also implied Flatwell gets out, if you beat him first Rusty tells him to "get out of here"

When are we getting AC6: Last Raven with some truly heinous ganks though

[patent oyster]

But for the sake of completion, you probably want to just do all the missions you havent seen yet

[frank pivot]

This whole game feels like fromsoft pulling their punches

Even dam complex has less repair kits on each enemy right?

[patent oyster]

They've explicitly said they made things more approachable for newcomers this time around

[frank pivot]

Yeah 😄

I'm so pumped for the next game

Honestly idk if i'm going to get shadows of the erd tree

But ac6: 2? Fuck yeah

[small stone]

IBIS FIRST TRY

RAHHHHHHHHHHHH

[frank pivot]

Wow hell yeah

Sounds like you're doing way better now

[small stone]

I LOVE THE SLICER

[frank pivot]

XD

[small stone]

Goodbye mistress Carla

I love you

But you must die

she said my name

[polar osprey]

Me when i have to fight mom and dad :(

[patent oyster]

Nightfall still has all 3

[patent oyster]

Fighting chatty and carla at the same time turns Armored Core into Ace Combat with the amount of missiles there are

[modern hornet]

Chatty's AC is called Circus... as in the Itano Circus. Plus, we all know how much Carla loves her "fireworks".

[polar osprey]

Mom and i guess sibling for Chatty

:(

[eager vector]

do you think we’ll get that or a big fat dlc?

[polar osprey]

For Answer type shit

[eager vector]

I hope so

what I’m looking forward to in the future of ac6 is a lot more frame parts, but what Im wishing for and won’t get is big co-op raids

[small stone]

OH SHIT

BALTEUS

YALL HELP ME OUT HERE

[eager vector]

My first time clearing this mission I was sure that chatty was the ranged threat and carla was the tank, and therefore the solution was to pick chatty and then 1v1 carla. The number of times I got staggered to death by carla trying to lance+pb chatty was significant

[eager vector]

Bring a bubble gun lol

[small stone]

EDIT

I GOT IT

[eager vector]

haha nice

[eager vector]

sick build

Is that the nacht arms??

[small stone]

Yeah

[eager vector]

Those may be the worst possible choice for your loadout

[light garden]

Congrats! You got past the second gatekeeper.

[eager vector]

You want arms with melee spec and recoil control, and you have no use for firearm spec

[small stone]

NO WALTWR

HOLY FUCK

NOOOOO

[eager vector]

real

[small stone]

….

At least I’m not alone anymore

That was fast

…I gotta process that

[patent oyster]

Depends on how close they're getting

FCS choice matters more than recoil controll at optimum etsujin range

[patent oyster]

-more parts
-more non-weapon parts specifically (flares, extra boosters, etc)
-a green generator
-better decal creation+ application optimizing
-crossplay+cross platform sharing
-objective based pvp
-quick match (non-lobby)

Thats my wishlist

[eager vector]

pile bunker tho also

[patent oyster]

Eh lower melee spec just means you need to be more patient and stagger them more often

Which is what etsujin is good at

Though for something thats alright for both melee and ranged, id take melander c3, vp46, or even firmeza arms

[frank pivot]

I'm waiting for news haha, i'm legit totally unsure

[patent oyster]

I reckon they're going to release a few more updates adding new content+balancing over the next year or so

And then they'll stop touching the game

[patent oyster]

Now go on youtube and listen to the japanese dub of this fight

||snail's JP voice actor legitimately sounds like he's dying when he does his last scream||

[cursive agate]

I think only NG++ mission ||Reach the Coral Convergence alternate|| hits that level of difficulty, if you're doing it without continues for S rank. ||Beating up Maeterlinck, Wu Huahai, Snail, and Iguazu without resupply.||

[serene kettle]

That’s a goofy mission to S rank, yeah

[serene kettle]

Verdict Day servers 😭

[patent oyster]

If people can figure out how to make a coop mod, surely they can get multiplayer raids working

Regardless of if fromsoft adds them officially or not

[eager vector]

console

[modern hornet]

S-Ranking update: progress is a bit slow-going. Currently working on Investigate BAWS Arsenal No. 2. First try got me an A-Rank on it.

[eager vector]

This is a very good list

[modern hornet]

Hmm... S-Ranking Investigate BAWS Arsenal No. 2 is proving to be a bit trickier than expected... any tips/advice for a mid-to-heavy main?

[polar osprey]

I think the general advice is that you need to memorize all the enemy spots

[modern hornet]

Already got all that down pretty much.

Maybe I just need to be faster... I'll give running the Buerzel a try next go at it. Need to let my PS4 controller recharge for a bit.

[polar osprey]

I just play with it plugged in

Don't got bluetooth on my pc so cable it is

[frank pivot]

Bring weapons that can one-shot or combo them to death quickly and don't get shot

Jugglers are good

Also this build can s-rank every single mission in the game

So if you're stuck just pop out this one!

[wooden nimbus]

I wish I was better at decals

[modern hornet]

S-Rank get. Switched back to my midweight build and swapped my booster and right back to the Buerzel and Laser Turret.

[modern hornet]

Nice. Just S-Ranked the normal Attack the Watchpoint mission first try without resupplying.

And S-Ranked the Alt mission first try, too. No resupply.

All Ch.1 missions S-Ranked, starting on Ch.2 now.

[polar osprey]

i may have just made a new Armored Core 6 fan

family friends were over and i taught their kid to play AC6 for a bit, he seemed really interested in continuing to play it

[serene kettle]

this is one of the hardest S-ranks in the game IMO. You need to do it both very fast and with very little damage. I recommend double stun needles because hitting with both should consistently oneshot the ghosts, so you can just kind of execute them one after another without wasting any time

if they get a chance to reposition at any point, you've probably wasted too much time to still get an S rank

the exception to this is the shielded ghost in the last room, who's a bit more durable.

in the second-to-last room, you can also kill the ghosts in their hiding spots instead of triggering the ambush, which saves a lot of time since it cuts down on walter's dialogue

[polar osprey]

the worst part of the mission for me is the last part

wish i could just shoot them cause i know where they are

[cursive agate]

Earshot can 1-shot the ghosts, and the Arquebus max-scan head can cover most of the room with fast recharge.

[polar osprey]

good to know

[modern hornet]

I already cleared Investigate BAWS Arsenal No.2. Next on the docket for me to S-Rank is Chapter 2. Already S-Ranked Infiltrate Grid 086, just need to S-Rank Eliminate the Doser Faction before moving onto Stop the Secret Data Breach, and after that is Ocean Crossing, which I'm absolutely taking the Stun Needles and probably also the Stun Baton for.

[serene kettle]

oh you're doing them in order, neat

Ocean Crossing was one of the last few I did, but it was a first try S-rank.

Boss levels tend to be pretty forgiving on the s-rank front

[polar osprey]

yeah

[serene kettle]

with the notable exception of Destroy the Ice Worm

[polar osprey]

boss levels are easier to do

except the worm

fucking worm

[serene kettle]

That one is just "learn the fight" territory

[polar osprey]

i do need to jump on S-ranking stuff again when i have the energy for it

[serene kettle]

learn where it emerges, pop it the first time it comes up

[modern hornet]

Eliminate Doser Faction S-Ranked. Just needed to switch out my hand weapons from Curtis and Ransetsu-RF to Turner and Ransetsu-AR and keep moving.

[polar osprey]

i S-ranked ||all three ending bosses like first try|| which is my indication that boss levels are easier

[serene kettle]

the hardest final boss to S-rank is ||walter, not because he's super hard or anything but because restarting from checkpoint locks you out and if you make a mistake it's really annoying to have to blow up the engines every time :P||

[polar osprey]

yeaaaah

that's fair

[modern hornet]

Alright, now for Ocean Crossing. Time to bust out all the electricity.

Alright, that is Ch.2 fully S-Ranked.

I don't think the Sea Spider really liked getting relentlessly assaulted by a Bad Cook, Basho-Stun Baton, and double Stun Needle Launchers.

Didn't lose a single AP point to the lasers or a single point of ammo on the autonomous drones, either.

[serene kettle]

stun batoning the drones just sounds like more trouble than it's worth lmao

[modern hornet]

Oh, if I was gonna use anything on the drones, it'd have been the Bad Cook.

The drones' suicide charges are rather easy to dodge if you're a floating Tetrapod at any weight category, though.

[serene kettle]

that's fair.

I didn't consider that you might have just baited them all into suicide charges and simply dodged

[modern hornet]

Don't even need to bait them. Just weather/dodge their laser pistol bursts, and they'll initiate the the suicide charge all on their own.

[frank pivot]

Watch/read when blobertson and uhhhhhhh whoever's putting the fishnets on their mech do decal work

They're both very good

Me when i forgot names of people i talk to on at least a weekly basis >_>

[eager vector]

@patent oyster hahaha

[frank pivot]

Yeah inhibit!

[modern hornet]

So, something I've been going back and forth on for a while now... do I swap the MELANDER legs for SPRING CHICKEN on my build or no?

[serene kettle]

probably depends on what you're doing, but Spring Chicken does rule

[eager vector]

spring chicken’s a significantly higher weight class

absolutely love them

[serene kettle]

yeah spring chicken is def in the realm of heavyweight legs

it feels more mobile than most heavyweight legs because reverse joints are just like that

but it's still heavyweight

[eager vector]

low cruising speed but big initial movement on dodges

[modern hornet]

I tend to prefer the non-Lightweight classes, so Spring Chicken being in the heavyweight isn't much of a downside for me.

If anything, it's a selling point.

[serene kettle]

Melander is more midweight than lightweight, but fair enough

[modern hornet]

I'm well aware, Melander's actually my preferred Midweight leg part. It's just got solid performance all around.

[eager vector]

https://youtu.be/LyHbcvdVBS0?si=YDInJ1aTys9M-Si7 this clip of my beloved spring chicken build shows off how useful the jump can be

[modern hornet]

Still not getting the S-Rank on Steal the Survey Data... gonna try switching back to midweight, see if that helps.

[patent oyster]

I personally prefer mind beta over them because of the higher attitude stability

And you still get the crazy RJ grounded QB speed, especially if you have NGI001 booster equipped

[surreal tundra]

Faster! A bit

[surreal tundra]

Awwww~

[polar osprey]

tried to help him beat the copter in the first mission but we didn't quite have time

[iron quarry]

No context

[serene kettle]

😌

[frank pivot]

If i have obtained access to an enemy swap mod

What would the best "can you beat ac6 if all enemies are [xxxxxxx]" video

Cel-240? Ayre? Allmind phase 2/3?

[patent oyster]

mad stomp

[surreal tundra]

goddess,
every non-ship enemy being a MAD Stomp?
or-
actually,
turn all the turrets into MAD stomp...
Or- hm, what'd be some other alternative?

just a constant barrage of enemy ACs lmao,

oh goddess you'll basically need to always have melee weapons to deal with them, depending on the mission lmao

[patent oyster]

Im pretty sure making every enemy Full Course would crash the game because of the sheer number of missiles

[surreal tundra]

pfffffffffffffffffft-
that would be-
okay I'm not sure how much worse it'd be with CEL, red-SOL, or anyone with a Drone launcher (actually I think that's just Freud)- I guess it'd be a bit less troublesome,

[patent oyster]

It would make some missions hilariously short though

If you use the mod on the strider

What happens to the eye

[surreal tundra]

which ones?
the ones where you're teamed up with MTs?

[surreal tundra]

uhhh
I'mma just have to assume that some things stay the same to keep the mission parameters similar??

[patent oyster]

Imagine if nepenthes was replaced by a single AC

[surreal tundra]

there were other enemies in it weren't there?

that would still be hellish lmao

you are now swarmed with either missiles or drones XD

[patent oyster]

Wait how are the ships replaced

Or are they the same

[surreal tundra]

I think we just have to assume they're the same-
I'm sure you can replace/spawn things where the turrets are

but the whole thing is literally indestructible save for the bridge-

maybe the HP of the turret-replacements are tied to the bridge lmao, sudden kabooms

the defense missions tho...

if they don't keep programming to go for you instead of the target-

yeah you're pretty much screwed

at least if they went for you you've got a chance

[patent oyster]

Do you have a link to the enemy swap mod

Im interested to see exactly how it works

[surreal tundra]

no I think that was just @frank pivot thinking about a what-if
I'm sure it's possible, but publically/easily available? not sure yet

*blep I'm sorry for the @, not sure how else to easily refer to ya' in-convo aaaaaaaaaaaa

[patent oyster]

Ahhhh gotcha

[surreal tundra]

I'd certainly find it hella fun to play with lmao,

maybe pick specific designs or existing ACs and have those replace types of MT lmao,

LCs and HCs...

eh, it'd be a whole thing XD

[frank pivot]

Not yet sadly

Someone's doing all mad stomp first

[summer bay]

Onto NG++ folks! (spoilers for ending)

[crude vessel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns2fPww20sk

[quasi copper]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guiltygear/comments/16mxf5u/guys_season_4_happy_chaos_buffs_leaked/

[radiant birch]

i hate the fact that i understand this picture

[wooden nimbus]

Don't make me think of what the other guilty gear characters would use

[patent oyster]

https://www.nexusmods.com/armoredcore6firesofrubicon/mods/199

[serene kettle]

Lol

[surreal tundra]

Oh my goddess

XD

[patent oyster]

An interesting challenge run could be a "no staggered enemies" run

You cant stagger enemies, and you need to restart that mission if you do

with exceptions for enemies with pulse armour since popping those auto-staggers

[urban knoll]

I'm doing a bit of mischief in the Nest

[surreal tundra]

okay wait-
I think that's gonna need a mod lmao
or-
hm,
what friggin weapons can even handle that challenge zmcnm

[patent oyster]

bubble guns

but you can also be patient and just poke enemies to death

[wooden nimbus]

F a s t

[urban knoll]

383 boost speed, 405 QB speed iirc

[patent oyster]

redoing some decals on my F91

[wet shard]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1051965515255533638/1229441323426254980/vesper_two.mp4?ex=662fb175&is=661d3c75&hm=f1172d71940d0f5851aeae4955d114071fe0ffb47f4aad968abb16b3d2f10811&format=webp&width=197&height=350

[patent oyster]

is it just me or is flatwell's AC kinda cracked

RF and etsujin work great together

4 cell does decent chip damage and has fast reload

and little gem can fill ACS bar or punish staggers

and then you have 364 boost speed on GRIDWALKER

[wooden nimbus]

lmao

[ember carbon]

Funnily enough that answer can go several different ways depending on the route you choose

[serene kettle]

for any route with either character, really

[north skiff]

ugh, today i got to 7 victories in ranked S rank promotion and lost the last three matches. what a choke 😦

[polar osprey]

do we have any idea what measurement the speed in AC6 uses

[surreal tundra]

oh- forgot about those,
kicks and the bubbleguns...
goodness I hope there's enough ammo in those lmao

[surreal tundra]

most likely m/s?

I thiiiink most AC6 ACs are solidly more mobile/agile than most anything/most other ACs? other than a NEXT, and those things are cheating, while AC6 doesn't use Coral for everything like the C-Weapons,

[polar osprey]

Nexts are bullshit

my Ultra-Heavyweight NEXT moves at 60km/h just walking

almost 400 while boosting

and 961 with overed booster

[surreal tundra]

how fast do ultra-heavy gen6 ACs move?
I vaguely remember seeing my 350+boost move at around like 120/ 1/3rd of your boost,

actually I'm not sure if it's km/h or m/s for the reading, forgot which one had more proof- one sec

okay yeah I think it was kph

[polar osprey]

Ac's can get pretty speedy

[surreal tundra]

They do,
tho I don't think most of them can bet how responsive gen6 ACs are, in and out of universe, which does make sense given that the baseline is already "all H+/Human-Plus connected to the AC", something only the NEXTs have as a standard otherwise,

[polar osprey]

yeah

it makes sense you need to be agumented to hell and back just to pilot a NEXT though

NEXT's are just like, fucked

[surreal tundra]

IIRC there may even have been some level of psychic ability required for compatability with the AMS control scheme - tho that's a lil hard to really see/prove, even if it might make sense

I think there might even have been some kinda fluid a pilot's immersed in to help handle things? I genuinely can't remember/tell if that's just some "oh that makes sense" headcanon or not,

[ember carbon]

Piloting a NEXT did require a specific gene if I remember right which is what made a Lynx a Lynx

[polar osprey]

you have to be literally and figuratively built different to be a Lynx

which again

knowing what NEXT's are all about

tracks

[ember carbon]

NEXTs are to ACs what ACs are to MTs

[polar osprey]

yeah

fucked up doom machines

[ember carbon]

ACs are referred to as normals in AC4 and ACFA which says a lot about how they think about NEXTs

[polar osprey]

any idea what unit of measurement is used for weight in ACFA

[surreal tundra]

I'd take Coral and their potential to combust entire star systems over Kojima particles lmao, it's not like they're genuinely that far off from performing like NEXTs with Coral-tech, the IBIS series are literally decades old and they still handily outdo everything else- tho it's hard to tell how much is just like- cuz of how ridiculous the RnD at the Rubicon Research Institute is,

If you could pilot a C-weapon like the CEL or SOL like you do an AC in-game, even with the pauses I think you can stay much more mobile/almost impossible to beat in an AC

Coral at least kinda like- Iunno, does funky supercharging/melange-like mutations to things that- don't seem too bad, all things considered, no need for any special things, compared to Kojima particles being super-radiation/molecule-eating particles

[surreal tundra]

uhhh, what numbers do you get?

*for total mass

[polar osprey]

well my total weight on my Ultra Heavyweight NEXT Dash Pinion ahs a total weight of 18871

[surreal tundra]

hmmm,
I'm not sure if it'd be KG exactly

[surreal tundra]

what about lightweights?

[polar osprey]

my lightweight NEXT, Solar Coast, weighs 8100

[surreal tundra]

...
okay wait what do gen3 ACs weigh?

I'm not sure if kg or 10s of kgs would be more fitting,

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm,

I'm seeing people say "7000-7500 pounds" and "10000 pounds" in old forums for AC3, which-
I mean, I'm not sure if pounds would be right? kg seems more likely cuz they were made in Japan and also probably fits better for a heavy machine

in which case gen6 ACs got heavy

[polar osprey]

either way a mech this chonky has no business walking at 60km/h and cruising at 355 km/h

the less said about the fact that it goes 962 km/h with overed the better

it's not even using gatling guns, it's straight up fucking gatling cannons

[surreal tundra]

speedy, and they'd still feel too slow lmao

I think the SOLs cruise at like at least 500-600 kph when they're just floating around- really it's only the shielding/effective durability that's a bit tougher to match cuz of how the Coral Shield works, and also the fact that they're 2x the size- but if you could miniaturize that, you're probably in the ballpark

on the other hand-
I am so fucking glad they improved melee over how finicky it used to be

if we can go faster then all the better

[polar osprey]

Keep in mind that this is a chonky lad with like 40k hp

So it's not the fastest

And it has Primal Armor on top of that

[surreal tundra]

I know, I think I've run around with the faster stuff before, been a good while

[surreal tundra]

uh- actually, which regulation set is this?

I've mostly played 1.00

[polar osprey]

I think 1.4?

[surreal tundra]

Mhm, the balance changes really screwed over some things IIRC,

[polar osprey]

Would be terrifying to have a mech like Dash Pinion with dual gatling cannons that can level apartment buildings in like 4 shots racing at you at 350 km/h

And rockets to boot for obliterating infrastructure

[surreal tundra]

NEXTs are pretty much jet planes for the most part

[surreal tundra]

lmao, if we had MkB rockets would be ridiculous, else they were a pain to manually aim

[polar osprey]

I beat all the collared matches with Rockets, it was a challenge

[surreal tundra]

That figures,

Honestly I'm not sure if Blading was any less painful lmao,
maybe a bit less,

but everyone's going so fast anyways

[polar osprey]

I like my funny gods forsaken speedy WMD

It kills real good

Especially the environment

[patent oyster]

AC4A NEXTs are like jet planes with legs, and Ace Combat planes are like mechs with wings

[surreal tundra]

not familiar with the latter- but the former seems about right, AC4 NEXTs are a bit more reasonable.

[ashen monolith]

https://fxtwitter.com/RichCrisps/status/1779801663722926493

[surreal vine]

Fragile's silly death scream is forever ingrained in my thoughts in regards to AC4a lol

[twin estuary]

fires is such a rorsarch test fr

[quasi copper]

For Lilliana?

[twin estuary]

no, for the player

their interpretation of it

"i had to commit a genocide to prevent something worse from happening!" isn't a justification or even textually what happens irt ac6, it's a post hoc justification from someone who just did a genocide

[quasi copper]

oh, no, I'm asking you if you're aligned with Old King

[twin estuary]

from ds2? didnt play

[quasi copper]

no from Armored Core For Answer, the game you play as Strayed in

[twin estuary]

oh lmfao

[quasi copper]

the genocide ending in that game doesn't even try to have a justification: you do it because you're a fucking monster, and every NPC you've ever known calls you on it and tries to kill you in the final battle

so it's you and Old King vs everyone, even your own Operator

[twin estuary]

yeah i was just talking abt the 621 as mouthpiece in the meme trying to justify it, same as everyone else who did the fires ending in the early days of ac6 being out

[quasi copper]

see I like how ACFA approaches the shedding of the blood of the innocent in the endings, because you will condemn people to death no matter what you pick

you get some choices, the game doesn't pull its punches in calling you a fucker for them no matter which you pick

Otzdarva will call you an asshole if you say "nah global warming isn't that big a deal that's someone else in the future's problem", and Wynne D. will call you a sociopath if you say "if it saves humanity long-term we can let some people die"

but oh boy can you be villainous on purpose instead of either of those options and just toss the justifications to the side

[patent oyster]

I personally did fires ending first for the sake of seeing the ending itself, but also it made sense for 621 to want to fulfill walter's wishes at that point in the story

With NG+ and the addition of more RLF aligned missions and interaction, it makes sense that 621 would be more likely to think "hmm maybe walter isnt right"

[surreal vine]

Honestly I got echoes of Old King's dialogue in the 4a "take down the Cradles" mission for 'em in the mission where leading into Fires of Raven

The uh

[twin estuary]

fires was my first ending because i personally didnt wanna double cross carla, to which the game simply said, "you fool. you fucking imbecile."

[surreal vine]

||Work with Carla to shoot down the ships|| one.

[quasi copper]

If 1,000,000 credits is what it takes for you to stop pretending you care about ideology or human lives and literally kill 100,000,000 defenseless innocents, you can literally get 1,000,000 credits for doing basically nothing

[patent oyster]

*a gundam fan's peak power fantasy

[quasi copper]

god

[surreal vine]

Basically ||Carla|| getting excited about your shootdowns mirroring Old King's kill tallying v eerily

[quasi copper]

Old King even keeps track of your, uh, "score".

and hums the title theme over the radio!

it's chilling

[patent oyster]

Wait, he hums someone is always moving on the surface?

Damn

[quasi copper]

Nah, it's the title track from AC4 actually

[patent oyster]

Ahh

[quasi copper]

point is I always have to yell about Old King and ACFA's genocide route because I genuinely think they did a better job of selling the whole "amoral mercenary does something monstrous" routine in that game

you can accidentally get Fires of Raven, the game does not make it clear what's going to come of it when you side with Carla

[patent oyster]

I think its pretty clear tbh

Her and walter are aligned

[surreal vine]

Thing is, it's entirely likely that Old King's ending in 4a is in part the "canon" ending for that game- as it's three playthroughs in like Alea Iacta Est, and kind of just explains all the callbacks in ACV/VD

[patent oyster]

And he came to rubicon to "finish the job"

[quasi copper]

ACFA makes it agonizingly clear that if you side with Lilliana, you are getting in bed with mass murderers and Old King subscribes to an ideology of slaughter

but, yanno. 1,000,000 credits! that's so fucking much!

[surreal vine]

(Also Verdict Day ending off on a note of "fight this rebuilt NEXT in your jalopy AC lol" is peak)

[patent oyster]

By chapter 4, its clear that walter and carla's agenda is to recreate the fires of ibis

[quasi copper]

and if you think that way, the game will appropriately criticize your choices.

[patent oyster]

And the game does tell you what that means in one of the beginning cutscenes

I agree that the cradle fall route is more explicit though

[ember carbon]

IIRC the ORCA ending is canon

[tawny lava]

What's the final reward for loghunts? Not sure the articles about it are right.

[cursive agate]

Final Loghunt reward is the WLT 101 according to the Armored Core fandom wiki (coral sword, not to be confused with Redshift Moonlight).

[surreal tundra]

my favourite next to the pulse blade XD

Excalibur

[quasi copper]

the coral pulseblade is so goofy

[surreal tundra]

if only the arm mount/port was better tho

[surreal tundra]

*excaliblast

[quasi copper]

excalibeam

[surreal tundra]

XD

[cursive agate]

Coral sword is really nice for more vertical builds, and the charged mode is very funny.

[quasi copper]

okay real shit for a second

do that flip-a-dip be hitting or not

[surreal tundra]

yeah kinda

[quasi copper]

it's been a while since I played but I remember that hitbox being uh

ungenerous

plus, no combo :(

[surreal tundra]

more consistent than the pulse when I chased CEL around lmao

then pulse blade followup XD

[quasi copper]

okay but pulse blade also has 2.3x on stagger

and a charged attack that isn't a meme

[surreal tundra]

I built up stagger with the oscillator on CEL then finished the bar with pulse I think

[wooden nimbus]

Thinking about back when the physical knife was an option

[cursive agate]

Less forgiving horizontally, but can more reliably catch targets above/below. Cuts through high Energy Defense better than Pulse Blade.

[surreal tundra]

iunno I just remember having it easier when I went oscillator intop pulse than the other way around for that fight

[quasi copper]

to be fair, I say that charged oscillator is a meme like it isn't fookin' rancid if you actually get caught in the oscillator scenario

[wooden nimbus]

It's just funny

It's like how if someone hits you with the Goop it's funny but good luck

[quasi copper]

Goop?

I think I might be stupid

what is goop

[wooden nimbus]

The funny red beam Walters gun does

It looks like cherry jelly

It's goop

[quasi copper]

oh yeah the uh

Soul Stream AC6 ver

[polar osprey]

Time for ACFA Old King ending

[wooden nimbus]

I think my honest run in fa was the orca run

That's the one where you clear the way to space right

[surreal tundra]

Yeah

[frank pivot]

The best part of ac4a genocide route is arteria carpals

It's such a fun mission

AC6 needed a 4-5 AC gank like that

Defend the Weaponized Mining Ship with a poorly optimized build for the mission is close

[serene kettle]

Arteria Carpals was insane lmao

It's not even just that it's 4-5 ACs, they're also all A-listers.

[patent oyster]

Finally a release date

[kind halo]

any way i can turn this around fellas or am i fucked

got absolutely stomped by a laser tank dude

one of those cases where ac6 matchmaking decided to queue me up with the same guy who deleted me in 0.006 seconds twice in a row

got 0-2'd

it's joever

[patent oyster]

Id just wait a bit and retry the promos

Losing in low rank doesnt set you back too much tbh

[eager vector]

lose on purpose so you stay in c rank

[patent oyster]

Yeah honestly, stay at B or C rank

Then you'll have fun

[patent oyster]

But if you want advice for tank matchups, ive found that dual laser turrets+dual high impact kinetic weapons (scudder or ransetsu RF) on a vertical kite works surprisingly well

Turrets do decent impact and damage, and are pretty spammable

Plus, a tank's larger hitbox overcomes the issue of turret tracking

I initially made that build because omnidirectional laser spam is funny, but it turned out to be surprisingly effective and i even started wishing for MORE tanks to fight

Using it was the only time ive ever had a tank ragequit against me while i was playing a lightweight

[kind halo]

that's depressing

[patent oyster]

A and S rank is tryhard territory

Theres maybe 4 build archetypes you see there most of the time?

[frank pivot]

okay how do i

paint this

[patent oyster]

With TLC

[frank pivot]

ssc monarch?

[patent oyster]

Needs more missiles to be monarch

Red and white is always nice though

[frank pivot]

😄 it's just the paint scheme, not a cosplay

[patent oyster]

I know, im not being entirely serious haha

But warm colours are nice

Or just anything as long as the main colour has a glossy finish to accent the curves of the mind alpha legs

[eager vector]

Whoa sick design

[eager vector]

oh I was scrolled up

[frank pivot]

The fcs and booster make me cri

The booster i can handle because the AB speed is around 480 or so

[eager vector]

why not change them?

[frank pivot]

Energy T_T

[patent oyster]

Oh god i didnt see that en load

[frank pivot]

I could go up to the vp-20D and mount a better fcs, however, then i lose out on the large energy tank of the coral gen

And my efficiency drops to 1500

[eager vector]

back away from glossy go back to this weathered bone

do something organic

[frank pivot]

nod nod scribble scribble

Notes say "slightly warm offwhite bone color"

[eager vector]

yes perfect

[patent oyster]

Wait whats your current efficiency

[eager vector]

mix in browns and yellows

sparingly

[frank pivot]

"Lmao i have a coral gen"

[patent oyster]

Brown and yellow gradients

[frank pivot]

Like browns and yellows on the highlights? Gradients ooh

[patent oyster]

Could change the lights to green as well

[frank pivot]

I'm mostly taking notes for tomorrow evening when i get to work on it again

[eager vector]

this reminds me of a spider paint job I started working on and then got bored with bc tedious

I was going for wolf spider mottled browns

and tans

[frank pivot]

I can't believe the breakthrough i needed was just "put it on rjs lol"

I've been a fan of the arms/head/core combo since launch i just never figured out what legs to put them on

[patent oyster]

Its a great mix

[frank pivot]

It is xD

[patent oyster]

i personally dont prefer the HAL head but

[frank pivot]

I love the crest of the hal head pa

Hahahaha

I was typing AS that popped up

I actually based the frame around trying to make the hal head look nice with something

[patent oyster]

Its not the design per say

[eager vector]

I’ve never liked the hal head but it works great with this

[patent oyster]

That is great

[frank pivot]

EXACTLY

[patent oyster]

Its the proportions imo

[frank pivot]

It's so BIG

[patent oyster]

It looks a bit too big somehow

Except with HAL core

[frank pivot]

Yeah. But on the nacht core, everything (well, almost everything) looks far too big

[patent oyster]

Nah even on something like melander

Personal preference i guess

But honestly the mind beta legs fit it very nicely

Balances out the chonk

[frank pivot]

Well i agree that hal looks bad on 99% of cores lol

[patent oyster]

Firmeza shoulders make the head look less big as well

[frank pivot]

I also think the firmeza shoulders, hal crest, and kranichs really do a lot to make the head look cohesive with the other parts

LMAO

[patent oyster]

This is truly a sharing the same braincell moment

Lmao

[frank pivot]

Me and inhibit are just typing the same sentence over and over

[patent oyster]

I personally think VP44D head looks nicer with HAL core than HAL head

[frank pivot]

Totally

I even like ephemera with it

[patent oyster]

But thats 100% because i know shoji kawamori designs from macross and gundam

[frank pivot]

Oh also the LRA/firmeza arm pairing was deliberate too

Can you think of anything that looks nicer paired with those arms?

[patent oyster]

A friend of mine put the VP-44D head with the rest of the HAL frame and painted it in YF-19 colours

[eager vector]

sick

[patent oyster]

Coquillettes and duckets work nicely with the sleekness of firmeza arms

[frank pivot]

Something like this?

[patent oyster]

Exactly

Really gives that macross vibe

[frank pivot]

XD that took me so long to make

[patent oyster]

Lol

[frank pivot]

I was really proud of the original version, Sundowner

But uh, too many people in other places were like "oh shit imperial japan? Based"

[patent oyster]

I havent seen the original but thats a strange response nonetheless

[frank pivot]

Welllllll it's based on the Sundowners US Navy squadron

But their emblem is a setting sun because they fought the japanese airforce in ww2

[patent oyster]

Ahh i see

[frank pivot]

Yeah :/

[patent oyster]

Either way, people saying "imperial japan? Based" is kinda weird lol

[frank pivot]

Yeahhhhhhh

_<

[patent oyster]

Wuerger laser shotgun and sampus would also look good

[frank pivot]

Do you not think it needs the long barrels for bulk?

Hm 🤔

[patent oyster]

You could go either way

Coquillette/duckett/wuerger kinda leans into the sleek and thin nature of the firmeza arms

While LRA adds more curves and unifies the arms with the mind beta legs

An alternative to LRA that accomplishes similar stylistic effect would be the vvc plasma rifle

[frank pivot]

Oooh THAT'S a great idea

VVC for sure is going on the list

VVC is also 69.2 trillion less energy per gun

Which means better fcs and possibly a nicer booster

VE-20C really needs a buff

Just make its recharge delay not so crippling pls Fromsoft

[patent oyster]

Eh im ok with parts having deficiencies

[frank pivot]

Yeah same, it could still have bad charge delay

But just not "lmao here's 1.7 seconds on the highest regen delay adjust core"

[patent oyster]

Theyre making people think of other ways to compensate

[frank pivot]

From a pve perspective i guess like "anything works" but from a pvp one it just means the generator almost never sees play

[patent oyster]

Every generator (besides joso) has a niche that can be viable

Its just that some generators are more generalised

And are easier to just chuck into a build

[frank pivot]

Idk if i've seen any legit top builds that use VE-20C

[patent oyster]

Meta builds are another beast

[frank pivot]

I've seen a few that use VE-20B

Mainly tanks and like 2 kite players that run shield / vvc / lrb with missiles

[patent oyster]

I have a 4x pulse bubble gun that uses VE-20B

Absolutely hilarious to play

It melts people without even staggering them

[frank pivot]

VE-20B is my favorite gen to build around xD

[patent oyster]

I think my favourite is either VP20C or Yaba

Im starting to run VP20D more often now though

Just need to leave at least 3k ish EN supply efficiency

[frank pivot]

LMFAO whoops

Uh ignore the first one

[frank pivot]

VP-20D is my fave generator for PvE. You get it in ch1 and it never has to leave your side

[patent oyster]

I have a version of that second one that uses haldemans instead of zimmers, and all ch1 pre Balteus parts

Used it to beat cel240, balt, and all 3 route bosses

[patent oyster]

With VP20D ofc

[frank pivot]

My ch1 build is verrrrrry similar

Where tf is it

All i can find on my phone are degenerate memes

[patent oyster]

I dont have my ch1 build anymore, genuinely dont remember what i used

[frank pivot]

Well, i guess i can just go by memory. Melander head, mind alpha arms, heavy dafeng core, heavy dafeng legs. Vp-20d, abbot, buerzel, haldemans, laser cannons

Perfectly capable of beating the whole game

Not too slow, lots of survivability and mad deeps high dps

Stagger extension with haldemans and high kick damage too

[patent oyster]

Ive seen rifle kite tech that uses LING TAI of all things combined with AB tech

[frank pivot]

Discount yaba dot jpeg

Sorry lmao that came out too rude

[patent oyster]

Its all good, no offense taken

I mean, there are obviously better alternatives for some generators, but if you really need to crunch numbers and adjust your AC the "less optimal" parts arent terrible

Except joso

Joso is genuinely irredeemable

[patent oyster]

For back weapons, this might sound like a meme but you could genuinely do double EULE pulse shield launchers

Definitely not good for regular pve fights, but against single bosses, AC fights, and PVP

They can be great if used tactically

And they'll look good with mind beta legs and HAL head

[surreal tundra]

Ayre!
Woo!

[surreal tundra]

that-
actually looks kinda adorbs lmmao,

[surreal tundra]

like a lil mecha dino-human hybrid

[surreal tundra]

also TBH I kinda like how this looks as-is lmao

[surreal tundra]

is-
is that bad?

[surreal tundra]

yeah! it looks like it's either bone-scales or ancient mecha-bones, hella cool XD

like the more solid end of biotech

[patent oyster]

If it wasnt running a coral gen, it would be abysmal

[surreal tundra]

honestly I think I might end up building an RJ with those parts for the funsies lmao, depending on how early I can get the parts anyways- forgot when the Beta legs are up

are they before or after the NGI coral gen?

[surreal tundra]

pfffft that first one-
adorable~

[surreal tundra]

yeaah, it's why I stick to Coral gens zmxnmn
cheating >:3

kinda

[patent oyster]

Its loghunt rank 7

Before NGI

NGI is loghunt rank 9

[surreal tundra]

got it, so from then on it's just picking out a head unit for the build since everything else can be gotten during the first run lmao,

[wooden nimbus]

I like coral generator because I constantly run out of EN anyway and it rewards me for being unhinged

[polar osprey]

Based

[patent oyster]

Yaba feels better imo when redlining

You get less EN back compared to coral gens, but the regen kicks in faster

[polar osprey]

Fair nuff

[wooden nimbus]

EN Shortfall

[polar osprey]

Me when i EN Shortfall

[patent oyster]

Thats why i either run EN efficient loadouts or i use ephemera or mind alpha core

[polar osprey]

me personally i build fucked up machines with no tolerances like Aperture Momentum

[wooden nimbus]

Terrifying

[polar osprey]

Efficiency? Not in this house

[wooden nimbus]

Mood tho, this thing is jank but I love it

I liked the double plasma from the test loadout but this machine utilizes it better.

[patent oyster]

I have 2 moods:
-fewest compromises to efficiency (while somewhat considering aesthetics)
-most anime accurate cosplay build

Theres is nothing in between

[polar osprey]

Based

The other extreme is ofc Nuclear Whiplash

Which is just, speed

Nuclear Whiplash and Aperture Momentum are the two parts of my Lynx Combat Doctrine project as i call it cause it sounds cool

Aperture Momentum represents the armor and firepower of a NEXT while Nuclear Whiplash represents the sheer speed and combat style

Cause NEXT's do fight rather differently on account of both speed but also massively larger energy reserves that let them boost far far more than an AC can

[surreal tundra]

I guess since I mainly pack smaller weapons/the blades for melee it's probably sorta efficient- actually no idea how well anything else has it compared to the smaller coral gen

but the aesthetic is hard to beat lmao

[tawny lava]

I think I may use Liger Tail for this run. Gone through all the story stuff so it's all whatever I want now

[polar osprey]

gonna make another fucked up AC

[surreal tundra]

They (NEXTs) can also fly when you play, unlike how it is in AC6 cuz of how generators work- which, while probably fine for gameplay, can be a bit funny to explain in-lore cuz like- if it's about generators needing to rest, wouldn't it make barely any difference whether you're on the ground (or touching the ground) or in the air? And it can't be cuz your boosters are keeping you airborne, 'cause your normal boosted movement doesn't drain at all and stuff. Probs just one of those things you just shrug at.

At least with Gens 1-3, IIRC in general the issue with perma-flight is that you can't really make an AC efficient enough to have its consumption to stay in the air be less than or equal to its power generation, at least not one meant for fighting- I guess in AC6 they do technically have it solved- especially for larger craft/LCs and HCs and the IBIS series, and there are implied flight modes for ACs too, but others are the ones that can actually keep fighting in perma-flight

Also another tangent- I wish we could get a relative scale for the actual mass/weight units in each game/gen lmao, even if it is sorta meaningless, cuz it tickles me that if we assume they're all in kg (cuz metric tons would be kinda wierd for some of the smaller parts and they're mostly all give or take 10m tall anyways), then AC6 ACs would be like, 5-10 times heavier? Gen5s are half the values of gen4s, which have 12k for White Glint, while like 8k is for gens 1-3, and then you get about like 60-75k in AC6 lmao

There's probably easy ways to square that, like just dividing by 10, but it's still kinda funny, and AC6 probably has more "lifelike" mass values for the scale of things anyways, assuming kg units```

[surreal tundra]

what's gonna be the concept

[surreal tundra]

also blep sorry for the text wall I just noticed how long it got aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[modern hornet]

Yeah, I could never build an AC like this. Lightweight ACs are just too fragile for my combat style, which generally calls for a mid or heavyweight build that can take the hits as well as it can dish them out.

[polar osprey]

Nuclear Whiplash is surprisingly hardy

[eager vector]

no it is not lmao

[modern hornet]

Was gonna say, Lammergeier parts and durable don't exactly belong together in the same sentence.

[polar osprey]

I said hardy not durable

[modern hornet]

The only lightweight parts I’ve ever consciously used in one of my mainline AC builds are the FIRMEZA and ALBA arm parts. ALBA because I used them to emulate Rat Trap, and FIRMEZA because it’s a really solid arm part with generally good stats for a mid weight assembly.

[eager vector]

Oh I was thinking of them as interchangeable. What’s the difference?

[polar osprey]

one is a reference to somethings durability and the other is more about it's survivability

durable would be used for example for someone capable of dealing with a lot of damage whereas hardy would fit better for someone capable of surviving better in a difficult situation

it's not quite the same even if they are similar

Nuclear Whiplash is not particularly durable since its armor is made of cardboard and tape

but it is surprisingly hardy what with its great boosting capability and overall speed

[eager vector]

I still think that hardy has a strong connotation about how it’s enduring those difficult conditions, and I don’t know in what sense you’d call it robust

[polar osprey]

that's fair i suppose

i still think Hardy fits decently

[shell nymph]

taking hits is cringe move faster than the bullets

zoom zoom

[wooden nimbus]

I don't have the reflexes to be an ultralight

[modern hornet]

Me: sees lightweight AC.
Also me: snaps it in half with multi-directional sustained fire and an explosive thrower.

[shell nymph]

true actually

i’m just too attached to ZOOM

150 spec with laser pistols melts everything

sadly i have to choose between drip (alba core) or 2 plasma missiles (function)

[polar osprey]

new AC drop, this one is called Detonation Derby

[shell nymph]

YO

that’s gas

[polar osprey]

was thinking about Sharp Dressed Man by ZZ Top while finishing it up

[shell nymph]

goooood

[polar osprey]

the flames are hot rod styled

[shell nymph]

i made a coral AC with red flame decals it was GAS

i love flame decals so much

[polar osprey]

shit's hella cash

[shell nymph]

it’s an easy way to make everything look cooler

slap a flame on there and BAM ur robot fucks way harder

[polar osprey]

if i was an AC designer nobody would able to get a bead on my style aside from my love of using dual weapons just cause of the weird breadth of suits i make

yeah i am loving Detonation Derby

this is a lot of fun

[shell nymph]

dual trigger for the win

melee is for cowards just shoot them to death

[polar osprey]

the Main Dish torso works so fucking well for the hot rod vibe too

cause it has the big fucking exhausts and shit

[shell nymph]

mine is just schneider worship lmao i have one AC and it’s designed for face-melting speed

[shell nymph]

it’s so sick i like it with the RAD chickens

[polar osprey]

i have a pretty good selection of AC's now

[shell nymph]

i can’t tear myself away from my beloved Zero Gravitas

[polar osprey]

Pale Painter, Cost&Benefit, Shale Viper, Slow Cooker, Good Hunter, Pale Painter Ruber, Double Sunrise, Nuclear Whiplash, Aperture Momentum, Wave Pressure, Sky Rain, Nuclear Collision and Detonation Derby

[shell nymph]

jesus that’s a lot of robots

my ol’ reliable will never change i die on my hill

if i lose i just need to play better

[polar osprey]

i just like to try stuff

[shell nymph]

that’s super fair yeah

[polar osprey]

man Nuclear Collision really is an upgrade compared to Nuclear Whiplash

i love both of them but man this is a killer ac

[shell nymph]

i need to make a mid and heavy version of Zero Gravitas tbh

RAD chicken here i come

i used those bitches for my entire first play though with the pre nerf zimmermans

[wooden nimbus]

🫵 Culture Name

[shell nymph]

yep

[wooden nimbus]

Friend 😌

[shell nymph]

in nebulous i have like 3 culture references per fleet

the AC names should be longer so i can really get some good gravitas names but alas

[eager vector]

spiritually similar to Medium Rare

[serene kettle]

AC names have pretty traditionally been two words at most, they like to keep it snappy

There are a couple out there with three I think, but they're an extreme minority

[polar osprey]

yeah

that's why all my AC's are two part names except Ruber

which is an explicit reference to Ortus

[serene kettle]

For Answer has Les Annees Folles and that's the only three-word name I can think of

and we're being pretty generous by counting "Les" as a distinct word there

[modern hornet]

My own AC in VI is called Buster Airgetlam, with the latter part being appended to a name I carried over from 4A due to making the left arm silver in color to contract my usual red-primary color scheme.

[serene kettle]

Now that I'm looking for them, AC2 has Deus Ex Machina and Queen of Hearts

also Tower of Wind in AC3

basically if your mech name has 3 words, one of them is an article. 😛

or an even more borderline case like AC1's Kamui Mk. 17

Which would be pronounced as three words but let's be honest here, the name is one word and then there's a version number. 😛

[polar osprey]

oh man

that was nasty

fought a fucking melee only build with Detonation Derby

it did not go well for that poor melee person

[shell nymph]

i love those builds they’re fun to dodge

[polar osprey]

literally ran right into my javelin alpha's and my gats

incredibly bad matchup for them since literally all i want is for my enemies to charge at me

[serene kettle]

I have fond memories of using a certain melee only enemy to grind out parts money in Verdict Day

because Verdict Day's economy is brutal even by ac standards

[polar osprey]

i almost feel bad

but i also don't because funny hotrod AC

NO WAY

[serene kettle]

AC6's is actually really really generous

[polar osprey]

REMATCH

lmao

[serene kettle]

But there's an early pilot in Verdict Day whose only armament is some melee only weapon arms

nothing in the bay slots

it's pretty easy to win the fight with no damage if you have a ranged weapon and vaguely decent mobility

so you get the full payout

[polar osprey]

listening to Sharp Dressed Man while fighting with my Hotrod inspired AC

what more can you ask for

oh fuck

zimm build

this person has tech

damn

yeah whoever that was, was going hard

[wooden nimbus]

🤔 I am once again trying to think of a theme song for my robot

[polar osprey]

fighting against someone who is massively lagging is not very fun

[wooden nimbus]

It is not

[polar osprey]

stunning them and going in for the melee and just not having hits connect is pretty shit

[shell nymph]

you spin me right round is a great song for speed gaming

that and tango music

[wooden nimbus]

I wish things like the back cannons/bazookas weren't able to be mounted on both shoulders

[keen hedge]

Why's that? Enforce build variety?

[wooden nimbus]

Build variety, reducing the pressure on the ACS/Punish strat that makes most of my fights against zimps and vientos that melt my AP the second I get staggered, yeah

It's my least favorite thing to be introduced to the series, and I played games with AC3 era heat mechanics

I hate it

[serene kettle]

I mean, that was introduced in AC2 iirc

(okay, you could mount two of the same back part in AC1 too, but it didn't matter since you couldn't fire all of your weapons at once anyway)

[cursive agate]

Double back cannons is a massive burst damage/Impact hike when they land. I think only Ring Freddie packs x2 back cannons (x2 Songbirds).

[keen hedge]

Yeah that makes enough sense, but would it be a sort of "cannons on the left only" deal or "you can't have duplicates" sorta thing

[cursive agate]

If it was shoulder locked I'd probably put them on the right-side, to not compete directly with shields. AC6 lets you keep your shield up while firing a right-shoulder cannon too, since it dosen't interrupt the animation.

[keen hedge]

did forget which side shields were on /cough

[wooden nimbus]

There were some double backs in AC2 yeah iirc, but that also lacked the mechanics that make (for example) double earshot a "reduce your AP to nothing immediately" machine

I think I remember a double back that had like, huge missiles in it

[serene kettle]

yeah stagger wasn't really in play, so it was just big damage

[wooden nimbus]

Stagger wouldn't bother me as much if it was a stall OR critical dmaage, but both is too much

[serene kettle]

really it's not that far off from late 3rd gen heat, just with a harder stall and the damage being a vulnerability instead of a dot

it's just more fun since your own damn boosters don't contribute to it

[wooden nimbus]

I'd legit prefer if my own actions were more of a contribution to stagger than the enemy's

I'd rather it not be there but if we begin with the concept of keeping it

[patent oyster]

ACS recovery should scale linearly with AC weight

Simple

A lighter AC should be able to move earlier than a heavy AC after being immobilised

[wooden nimbus]

That would be nice

[patent oyster]

Gives light ACs a smaller window to be punished so they dont get wombo comboed

And with heavy ACs, if you have that HP and stability pool you should be able to manage to not get staggered

[cursive agate]

Would help a lot with how easy it is to break their legs (stagger stun) with smaller stagger meter

[patent oyster]

Saw this video the other day called "AC6 pvp speedrun" and it was just this guy two shotting poor lightweight players in 15-20 seconds

Yeah sure its kinda impressive, but what's the point if neither of you can play the game lol

[eager vector]

@patent oyster @frank pivot I found the gradient post that I’d been looking for, can’t remember if y’all have seen these or not https://www.reddit.com/r/armoredcore/s/l3UmtBySTk

[frank pivot]

Thanks 😄 i'll take a look

[patent oyster]

I think ive seen it?

[frank pivot]

OKAY

back on ac6

so, as far as base colors go, i'm not sure if i want to swap the light brown for more of the warm offwhite

[eager vector]

it’s giving white tigerzord

[frank pivot]

if i do, i'm curious if i should do some kind of gradient

[eager vector]

not a bad thing just a little too clean

[frank pivot]

hmmmmm what should i change

[eager vector]

I love the light brown

[frank pivot]

oh should i tweak the yellowy tan then?

[eager vector]

however without using decals it’s not gonna look very organic

[frank pivot]

yeah, hm, what kinda decals?

[eager vector]

it’s up to you if you care about that

[frank pivot]

i think it'd be fun to make this mech look cool ngl

[eager vector]

like, using decals instead of the base paint job to add in the browns and tans

possibly gradients but not necessarily

[frank pivot]

ooh neat okay, so i'd want to make the whole base frame uniformly the white then?

then make gradients for the other 2 colors

[eager vector]

yeah probably

having the color scheme not follow the natural paneling will help it look more alien I think

you could also find a way to add in red accents to match the head glow

[frank pivot]

i like it

sorta just made them opposing gradients over top of the base coat, more intense toward the edges that stand out the most

i could also swap the blue-grey parts for some sort of red

[eager vector]

yeah that’s sick

[frank pivot]

great idea ngl, i'm very happy with how this is turning out

never put gradients on mind beta legs

holy fuck this is driving me insane

[patent oyster]

Its doable

[frank pivot]

i can see the seeeeeeeeeams T_T

[patent oyster]

Shhhhh

[frank pivot]

ikr

i would never have noticed before

[patent oyster]

Looks better from the front

But i dont have any pics of it from the front for some reason

[patent oyster]

Honestly the key is to use the "decal range" and x/y axis adjustment

To shift the decal enough for it to fit decently

[patent oyster]

This looks great btw

[eager vector]

still needs some weathering

but I get it first things first

[shell nymph]

holy shit i understand mid-heavyweight appeal now

i just stomped a fast build with the earshot dizzy 6 cell and hu-ben combo

[patent oyster]

AP diff moment

[shell nymph]

it's so fun

i feel kinda unclean using it but oh well

lmao i just rematched and cooked him with speed

[patent oyster]

We all have those builds that we ignore until ranked promos come

[shell nymph]

YEP

fuck fun and balance i need my promo

[patent oyster]

I have a mid weight dual flamethrowers dual jav beta build for that

Genuinely feels disgusting to play

I just AB at people and hold down M1+M2

[shell nymph]

yeah the double flamer is one i tried once and flawlessed a guy so bad i deleted it

he died in like 10 seconds

[wooden nimbus]

double flamer you say

[frank pivot]

https://youtu.be/3sY9RHzyfj4?si=MGc7isr5T37FWnER

[summer bay]

Just made it to C rank with a (sorta) shitpost build

A heavyweight Bad Cook build named "danger zone"

[summer bay]

18 seconds

[eager vector]

dang, didn’t level VGR I guess

[summer bay]

I actually added a starter game missile rack to the empty slot

It saves me against the more evasive ACs with low hp

[patent oyster]

Its a shitpost build thats legitmately effective

[patent oyster]

^this one

[summer bay]

Bad cooks
And two bullet drones. Sometimes i add missiles instead for the more distant enemies

I also have one with a shield and blade named "deus vult"

[eager vector]

isn’t deus vult a christian nationalist dogwhistle

[summer bay]

But the Vixen is my main

[summer bay]

Deus Vult is called Deus Vult because it looks like a crusader

[patent oyster]

Oh yeah dual bad cooks is kind of a menace

[summer bay]

I am british/english

So you can sorta see it as me reclaiming my own history

[patent oyster]

Since you literally obscure the opponents screen

They cant actually dodge your attacks if they dont know what your shoulder weapons are doing

[summer bay]

True

But then there's me with my lightweight build which is fast enough to evade most of the fire

[patent oyster]

Fire weapons also inflict ACS anomally which makes people get staggered faster

I have a dual bad cook build with two javelin betas that staggers even heavyweight ACs unreasonably quickly

[eager vector]

valid, but a lot of fascists on the internet have kinda co-opted it, so you may run into people who think you’re one of them

[summer bay]

Ah, i see

Well, i changed its name to the Crusader earlier

[patent oyster]

Something something right wing chuds ruining the coolest things

Tale as old as time

[eager vector]

real

[summer bay]

Genghis when LL3

[summer bay]

Hate when it happens. Seriously.

I feel like Vixen is kinda meta-

I keep winning

Is definitely fun being speedy tho

[eager vector]

it’s an off brand BVO

[patent oyster]

What boosters are you using?

[summer bay]

I swapped from the Gills to the ALULA/21Es a little while ago. They just feel better on it

[eager vector]

what expansion?

[summer bay]

Terminal Armor

A go-to for all Lightweights

[eager vector]

If you’d had one of the other ones you could’ve countered that assault

but I’m biased I don’t like terminal

[patent oyster]

Ah i meant on the heavy biped

[summer bay]

Ah

Lemme find em

[summer bay]

Buerzel/210

[patent oyster]

Im surprised you're staying so grounded with burzel

[summer bay]

Lack of energy to remain in the air

Plus I cant risk tanking all the damagr

[patent oyster]

By grounded i moreso mean not ABing all the time

[summer bay]

Ah

[patent oyster]

Which is what id expect with burzel

[summer bay]

I assault boost when i need to chase them

[patent oyster]

Im also pretty surprised that your opponent opted to stay within bad cook range when you were boosting on the ground normally but

[patent oyster]

You're a heavy biped though, thats what the AP is for

[summer bay]

They were sorta a mid ranged setup

[summer bay]

I stagger easily with that build

[patent oyster]

They stayed pretty close to you tbh

[summer bay]

Imma get in fist fights now

[patent oyster]

Close range is 130m and below

[summer bay]

Well im used to quick builds too so

[patent oyster]

ABing decreases impact taken, which is how burzel users can just charge at people

[summer bay]

Fair

I swapped builds now anyway

[patent oyster]

Thats fair, im just surprised to see a dual bad cook burzel build that plays so cautiously thats all

[summer bay]

Rocking full Basho Chainsaw now

[summer bay]

(Lightweight main)

[patent oyster]

I get it, cant shake the fear of being staggered and wombo comboed

[summer bay]

Yea

Like I do

[patent oyster]

Ok hear me out

Verril head tian qiang core middle aged man with dad bod AC

[modern hornet]

The heck does “dad bod” even mean? Is this something I’m too sane and Twitter avoidant to understand?

“Sane” and “Twitter avoidant”… whoops, tautology!

[patent oyster]

I think it means that someone is mostly fit but has a bit of tummy?

Its not really a twitter thing, just a term used to describe certain body types i guess

[surreal tundra]

whaata comes to mind is like-
either barrel-chested build or has a bit of a belly at least?

something

[surreal tundra]

yeah, this seems close enough lmao

*outta anything you could make in AC6 anyways, I think

[modern hornet]

First I ever heard of this term was a YouTube video covering Twitter drama, like, within the past couple weeks, so, I just classified it as woke Twitter freak/gaming journalist nonsense and moved on.