Armored Core General!

[polar osprey]

A new core part developed by Elcano. This model utilizes technological insights derived from analyzing Schneider ACs to achieve improved overall balance and high suitability for aerial combat.

[serene kettle]

If we're going to older armored core games, the classic example is Nineball, who on top of maxed out Human PLUS enhancements has a modified pulse rifle variant that fires in 3-round bursts unavailable to the player.

[cursive agate]

Furlong Dynamics collabed with Elcano, which is what the message in NG+ vs Rusty was talking about I think.

[serene kettle]

(In AC1 - Nineball Seraph in Master of Arena is completely custom)

[polar osprey]

But yeah iirc the most notable examples of custom AC's are Ortus and Full Course

They are entirely non-standard

The only two in the game aside from maybe the HAL AC

[serene kettle]

There's also Stinger's AC Vixen in Project Phantasma, which is also a custom frame unavailable to the player (and absolutely sick to boot)

[polar osprey]

ALLMIND's AC's don't really count cause we see multiple AC's use ALLMIND parts

[surreal tundra]

the head kinda reminds me of another thing- uhhh, original White Glint?

[serene kettle]

I should specify it's unavailable in project phantasma - you can eventually get these parts in AC:Nexus as a throwback

[serene kettle]

there are some visual similarities, yeah, though this is from very old school AC

[surreal tundra]

not like they couldn't have borrowed ideas, yeah

[polar osprey]

i switched the stored plasma rifle weapons to stored kojima rifle weapons

i am here to make things worse

[frank pivot]

Only if you throw away arm weapons. In previous games, you couldn't put arm weapons on your back

[polar osprey]

well if i ever exhaust my ammo i will be having ultra acid radiation guns

apparently they have uh, two shots each

but i think if i exhaust all my ammo i've got bigger problems

man these arms forts are so fucking funny to kill

literally just jumped onto one and spammed rockets on it until it exploded

them: this is an arms fort, a massive superweapon, it's incredibly dangerous and powerful, it'll be near impossible to destroy
me: jumps up onto it and shoot rockets Nah, i'd win

this does look kinda spooky

[polar osprey]

honestly just trying to figure out how the fuck i am supposed to kill this thing quick enough to not die from the constant missile spam and lasers

yeah i'm not loving Answerer

just like, getting spammed to shit

[ember carbon]

Yeah a lot of the Arms Forts if you know what to do can be killed super fast

Kinda a problem of the limited tech at the time so they couldn’t make them more complex fights

[polar osprey]

yeah it's just melting Dash Pinion before it has any chance do to enough damage

time for cheese

ok got it

[surreal tundra]

Just a few slashes-
IIRC it was just like how the blades did damage being kinda ridiculous, that and/or how the rockets did so much damage-
And cuz the Arms Forts have every section share AP? Iunno lmao, or all of that

[quasi copper]

there's a ridiculous speed strat for killing Answerer if you wanna know

[polar osprey]

i popped double kiku and just sprinted to its core

[quasi copper]

yeah that's the trick lmao

[vernal wadi]

Canonically Accurate Rusty run in Intercept the Redguns

[polar osprey]

gonna try AC5 cause i need more AC content now that i'm kinda done with AC4A

AC6 wasn't enough

AC4A wasn't enough

i need more

[eager vector]

Have you played AC3

[serene kettle]

If you liked AC4A, going back to AC4 will probably give you a more comparable experience than ACV

I liked ACV, but it had a looooot of AC4-era new fans big mad when it released

because it was very much not more AC4 lol

It's gritty, it's squat, it's relatively slow, and it's very...brown. Like AC4/4A is brown but ACV is brooooown. I only remember seeing plant life a couple of times in Verdict Day.

[serene kettle]

as much as I love older-school armored core, a looooot of people just cannot get past the control scheme

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/709574653433086054/1145954017890025492/3102677-armored-core-2-another-age-playstation-2-the-assignment-of-the-p.jpg?ex=660b9858&is=65f92358&hm=78930859339d2fb0d2cba4c57d04cf61aa68eb75d1277fb812e4c553d057cf14& truly one of the control schemes of all time

keen observers may spot that this shows a pair of unmapped sticks. This is because it was designed for a PS1 controller and they did not change it at all for the PS2 entries at first.

[eager vector]

lol yes based

[serene kettle]

Also, the interact button is the same button as the melee button. This has never resulted in accidentally destroying mission objectives I don't know why you would say that

[polar osprey]

i rescind my satement, the game does not like playing

[serene kettle]

huh, not working or just not feeling it?

[polar osprey]

not working

going to see if i can play with some settings to get it to work

but i tried pausing the game one time and it crashed the game and the emulator

if i can't get it to work i'll just do 4

[serene kettle]

oof

oh yeah if you're emulating anyway, definitely check out the old school armored cores sometime

They're definitely old but I hold a special place in my heart for AC1

[wooden nimbus]

V does not like to be emulated

[polar osprey]

it really doesn't

[wooden nimbus]

AC2 will always be my nostalgic favorite

I wish for a proper ACV PC port

Like figure out how to combine V and VD as a remaster

[polar osprey]

going to try AC4 instead

[serene kettle]

I have a physical copy of ACV and AC:VD but I think you're a bit far to invite over sadly 😔

[polar osprey]

😔

[wooden nimbus]

Yeah 😔

[serene kettle]

also I think my brother has the xbox anyway

[wet shard]

armored corebros and non-bros i have a question:

do i buy rusty's model set

or nightfall raven's model set

[polar osprey]

Rusty easy

[wet shard]

okay but nightfall raven's AC has a pile bunker

[polar osprey]

Steel Haze moment

[eager vector]

Im getting both ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[polar osprey]

i'm probably only getting Steel Haze

[grave jolt]

Huh. You never did leave did you Karasawa?

You just needed a change of pace.

Oh yeah my AC is a plasma storm build.

she's a WIP

[polar osprey]

Lmao, i use thst Torso, leg and arm combo on one of my AC's

Uses thst weapon too

Dual wields it even

[grave jolt]

...

Me too actually.

[polar osprey]

You basically have to if you wanna use those guns and have backpack space lol

[grave jolt]

All plasma weapons, Plasma Back weapons, and dual Karasawa's

GOD im so heavy...

[polar osprey]

Nah i'd morley

I am... inevitable

proceeds to stagger you

Aperture Momentum is fun

The other end of the scale to Nuclear Whiplash

Speed demon

[grave jolt]

AC Head Bringer II. An improved version of G5 Iguazu's original AC Head Bringer

And my Challenge Run AC Azure Lightning, my PileBunker/Fist only run

[wet shard]

70s ass mech legs with the flared jeans lmfao

[sharp canopy]

haven't played AC6 in ages, but I did just beat down ALLMIND after running out of Ludlow rounds

[polar osprey]

https://www.reddit.com/r/armoredcore/s/JlM0hKHTJG

The Arkham reddit did irreperable damage to gaming

[frank pivot]

Ch1-parts-ass-lookin-ass

That's actually quite similar to one of the last ch1 parts builds i ran. Abbot, buerzel, 20D, that frame (but standard melander head instead of c3)

Double lascan double shotgun

[serene kettle]

sobbing

[polar osprey]

lmao

[wooden nimbus]

what

[serene kettle]

the arkham subreddit is a silly place

[polar osprey]

they created cognitoharzards for fun, it's a very silly place even

[polar osprey]

playing some AC4 now

[modern hornet]

Looks like Mind Alpha arms on your build, so your punches were actually hitting for less damage than they could be. I admire the tenacity needed to beat ALLMIND into submission with those.

[sharp canopy]

I also had a Takigawa pulse blade so it's not that impressive

[frank pivot]

on friday the armored core co-op mod comes out

SO

[polar osprey]

ayyo

[eager vector]

console gamers like me weeping and gnashing our teeth

[nova mango]

Anyone here like model kits? They're releasing in October.

[patent oyster]

Most people in #876910634091053076 are looking forward to them

[vernal wadi]

p a i n

[frank pivot]

i want them to release a maeterlinke one so i can get the arquebus legs, and also a weapon pack with the LCS

[patent oyster]

@eager vector a sneak peek

[unique bison]

here's my mech

[nova mango]

If you want Zimmermans you have to buy them from P-Bandai

I really hope they release the Balam and Dafeng base cores next year

[kind halo]

really sleek lookin for a tetra, hell yeah
I really like the custom Raven logo, got a closeup of it?

[unique bison]

Oh it's one u grab on the internet

[unique bison]

Here the share id if you want : UUDU78E85VKB

[eager vector]

is that pc or console?

I was rocking a GLOBAL CORTEX emblem for a while haha

[unique bison]

Pc i think

[unique bison]

"WHY ARE THESE FOOLS STILL BREATHING MY AIR !"

[eager vector]

ashmead on tool arm huh

[unique bison]

i mean I just was trying to make Warframe Vay Hek

[eager vector]

Oooh

[waxen nest]

vayhekcore....

[unique bison]

turkey legs

[radiant birch]

That's two separate Warframe references on two separate servers this morning, guess it's just that kind of day

[wet shard]

i reserved the nightfall raven one

also reserved the kotobukiya nineball seraph reprint coming in may

My friend got uhhhh

https://armoredcore.fandom.com/wiki/Leonhardt 's NEXT

[nova mango]

I pre-ordered them all, they look amazing

[wet shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC_b5L5dup4

[grave jolt]

Noblesse Oblige?

[wet shard]

ye

that's the one my buddy bought

[grave jolt]

Nice

[wet shard]

i bought the kotobukiya nineball

and 30mm nightfall raven

i hope they do more than just steel haze and nightfall raven

like uh

the institute AC, some of the other schneider stuff, maybe steel haze orteus or even ||HAL 826, walter's AC in the liberator of rubicon path||

[summer bay]

unpopular opinion: ||Balteus is fun as fuck. The missile spam makes you feel like a god when you successfully start dodging it all.||

[polar osprey]

I've never had a problem with ||Balteus|| so i never had a problem with the fight

[wooden nimbus]

Agreed

[summer bay]

took me way too long to beat him when i first played AC. Havent fought him again yet but looking back he's a cool fight

[polar osprey]

||Balteus|| can catch these hands

[wooden nimbus]

My unpopular opinion is ACV making our mechs pretty much exclusively land vehicles was a good thing

Factually unpopular even if it's not spicy

[polar osprey]

Beat him first try personally

Same with ||Ibis||

[polar osprey]

As an AC4A fan i don't think i possibly could agree with you less

[wooden nimbus]

My favorite boss fight was ||C SPIDER and that one big humanoid LC I forget its name but it has a two handed cannon thing||

[polar osprey]

But then again, i haven't played 5 so maybe you are right

[eager vector]

My first clear took me like 50 attempts (partly bc I didn’t understand yet that moving the camera broke hard lock) and I still loved it, and the video of my first clear is my absolute favorite of my saved gameplay clips

[summer bay]

Here's me fighting Balteus

for the first time at least

(and beating him)

[polar osprey]

For me ||ALLMIND|| was the big doadblock

And also my least favourite fight bar none, followed closely by Baws Arsenal No2

[wooden nimbus]

I wanna go back and fight the first guy I fought in online PVP again

But I haven't seen him in a while

[polar osprey]

So far i have won all my pvp matches, one of them was really close though

[wooden nimbus]

He apparently did little fight nights for his I guess website or podcast or something

[polar osprey]

Lost one of the rounds and won the last one with a single hp left

Dude was running a stun build hiding behind that one thing that makes a bubble around you

[wooden nimbus]

Oof

[serene kettle]

The AC1 soundtrack (this one is actually master of arena, but details) is burned into my memory forever because of good shit like this

Apex in Circle, High Fever, Servizio...

it's a very different style than later games but it's some fun techno-y beat

[surreal tundra]

Oh thaaaaat's why it sounded familiar fndnf

[polar osprey]

I just barely downloaded his moveset and won

[patent oyster]

Honestly my biggest issue is the fight before, ||sulla is just annoying||

[vernal wadi]

I swear his A.I. switches between being a god and being a brick

when I was trying to S rank the ||alt Watchpoint mission||, he was alway the one ruining the attempts because of how annoying he was to deal with

but when I as testing my build against him in the arena he just stopped and stood still 4 different times

[summer bay]

yea, then you re-fight him and he's a pushover (mostly)

[wooden nimbus]

I think it's funnier that ||he's easier if all those ghosts are still alive|| and I have no idea why

[patent oyster]

https://www.reddit.com/r/armordecor/comments/1bra1uq/acj100bc_hundred_blossoms/

@eager vector

[eager vector]

sick as hell

[kind halo]

i really gotta learn how to use gradients

and to properly greeble

that looks sick

[modern hornet]

So, I just learned that the AS-5000 SALAD arm parts have a Melee Specialization stat above 100. Gonna have to work that into a heavyweight assault-type build that uses the Moonlight wave blade.

[dim pewter]

This is absolutely top notch.

[patent oyster]

Honestly i feel like the trick is getting a feel for when to stop detailing

Since all the AC models are super detailed already, you have to strike that balance between just right and overwhelming that i personally think a lot of people miss

[eager vector]

I’m usually undergreeble bc by the time I’ve gotten my gradient just right I don’t want to look at it for a while lol

plus I feel like decal resolution is bad on ps4

[patent oyster]

decal resolution is bad in camera mode tbh

thats why i prefer to take decal showcase beauty shots in the AC assembly menu

action shots are just for cool poses

[frank pivot]

I have no clue how to do good decal work without copying references

Like i can translate a set of decals and a look from a real life vehicle

But coming up with something whole cloth is way harder

[patent oyster]

Its mostly an experience thing for me

I've been building gunpla for years now and have also seen a lot of work from pro builders, so i can kind of intuitively 'know' where to place warning decals and such

I cant really describe it other than "make sure the location isnt too busy already, and/or that the decal doesnt interrupt or outshine the existing mechanical greeble"

In fact, i think a lot of the ACs in this game really don't need extra detail per say; the designers and 3D modellers have done a stellar job making the mechs in this game look like they could really exist, and have added tons of mechanical+surface detail already

That's why i think its very easy to overdo it when adding more detail yourself

But of course, whether there's too much detail is also up to personal preference

[frank pivot]

https://www.nexusmods.com/armoredcore6firesofrubicon/mods/3?tab=description

[wooden nimbus]

Ooooo

[eager vector]

crying wailing

throwing my ps4 away

[surreal haven]

made our lancer party in ac6 :)

[eager vector]

hell yeah

[surreal tundra]

ohmygoddess has anyone listened to any of the "AC6 Disk 3 OST songs?
they seem pretty interesting, from the few snippets I got as I saved them zxcmn

[polar osprey]

Yes

Listened to most of them

Rly neat tracks

[wooden nimbus]

The what

Gonna go look them up

[polar osprey]

i gotchu

[wooden nimbus]

Oh dang

The Crab is vibing

[polar osprey]

it is a vibe

one thing i saw people talk about is that the remixed versions of Rusty and Carla's themes are better

and honestly i don't think i could agree less

they do have fun vibes

but they hit so much less

especially on the parts that really have some power to them

like the piano part of Carla's theme

Rough and Decent (Natural Behaviour) is very good but it's not as clear or intensive as Rough and Decent (Bad Joke) to me

they almost sound like two completely different songs because the main sounds of Rough and Decent are so muddled in (Natural Behaviour) compared to (Bad Joke)

for Steel Haze (Where Truths Meet) the vibe is just, way different with the instrumental accompaniment

which isn't bad

but the strong emotional feeling of Steel Haze (Rusted Pride) is kinda buried a bit under the more traditional instrumental parts

it becomes much less ethereal and emotional to me

much less melancholy and thoughtful

i think as songs both remixes are very good but i also see why they aren't in the game

and unlike what i've seen people say about them, i wouldn't want them to be

[eager vector]

I would want them to be, but not replacing the originals where they’re used

[polar osprey]

i guess that makes sense

as like, a pickable track in pvp or like, replaying missions maybe

but having them replace any of the origina tracks would be the furthest from what i would want

[eager vector]

more content and add it there :3

[polar osprey]

i simply don't think they would fit the game as well

[polar osprey]

could be fun

watched Marcomeatballs video on it and it has to be the only time i've strongly disagreed with him about music cause he didn't like the mostly non-lyrical nature of the AC6 OST that much and thought that disc 3 having more lyrical stuff was really great

but i really do think that the more vibes based nature of AC6's soundtrack is a great strength

the focus on instrumental and atmospheric tracks really worked very well with the environments and people of Rubicon and the progression of the story in the game

[wooden nimbus]

Irregulation is hitting me in the classic vibes

For good reason but just

Listen to it

[polar osprey]

yeah

idk i like all the remixes

but i think they are also made outside the context of the game

and thus are not fitting within the context of the game like the originals

[wooden nimbus]

Nah I get that

Unrelated: Testing BLACK DOG out

[polar osprey]

oooh

cool

Take Me Anywhere does go kinda hard

4 The Answer goes unfathomably hard though

[surreal tundra]

yeah that sounds nice

[surreal tundra]

basically if they'll be added at all, it's best as like- extra content/new missions/"what if?" missions?

[polar osprey]

yes

adding them to any of the currently existing content would not work imo

and would make it worse

[surreal tundra]

Sounds fair,
Fingers crossed the support goes on for a while

[serene kettle]

yeah this is kind of the same arc I had with it too

I was initially disappointed that a lot of AC6's music didn't really...stand out, that so much of it is just background industrial grinding, but I think it works

[polar osprey]

i get why people like disc 3 but at the same time man the actual in-game shit goes too hard

[serene kettle]

and it pops when it isn't

See: Rough and Decent

[polar osprey]

Rought and Decent is peak

[serene kettle]

it has a distinctive style from previous games but still holds its own

[polar osprey]

agreed

and i stand by my criticisms of some of the remixed songs from the original ost that are in disc 3

they are cool and all

but the added stuff, to me, kinda muddles the cool parts of the original songs

so you honestly end up getting just a completely different experience

it's more of a sidegrade than an improvement

[serene kettle]

I haven't heard them but it doesn't surprise me

wouldn't be the first time they've released remixes I like less than the originals

[polar osprey]

the piano part on Rough and Decent is completely drowned out in (Natural Behaviour) by the jazz vibes

and the actual just vibes themselves from Steel Haze (Rusted Pride), the melancholy and yearning and everything is basically counteracted by the addition of uplifting drums and guitar stuff

it sorta just ends up fighting itself

[serene kettle]

The "King of 9" version of 9 immediately comes to mind as being probably a downgrade from the original. It's trying too hard to be "Mecha Dinosaur" instead of what it originally was

[polar osprey]

yeah

4 The Answer goes hard though

shits peak

i'm a newbie AC fan but having played AC4A, man that shit was cash

[serene kettle]

Yeah the Remember Variants actually kick ass

I really like Mechanized Memories too, all the more knowing that it's basically a sendoff for the series since they must have known there wasn't a new AC game in the pipeline after Verdict Day for the foreseeable future

[polar osprey]

yeah

wish i could try ACV but alas

still need to continue playing 4

[serene kettle]

yeah it really hates emulators 😔

[polar osprey]

so i can go try 3 like i think it was you actually who recommended

someone recommended 3

[serene kettle]

3 is on my top 5 for the series outright, so it's pretty good. It's unfortunately one of the old ones with tank controls though, and I know that throws people off.

[polar osprey]

i'm going to give it a shot

i'm crazy

i did all of collared with rockets without even being able to aim properly in AC4A so i fear nothing

[serene kettle]

haha

[polar osprey]

i still cannot do the turn thing even though i played through the game twice

[serene kettle]

definitely try the AC2/3 rockets then, they're really powerful and efficient if you can aim them worth a damn

[polar osprey]

i cannot really aim well

[serene kettle]

As a sidenote, mecha dinosaur might be my favorite ACV track. Just a hell of an intense piece they made for a recurring miniboss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkP7RpSkKCM this one

[polar osprey]

i'll give it a listen

[small stone]

Ibis my beloathed

[serene kettle]

My first suggestion for IBIS in particular is to use hardlock. Not necessarily for the whole fight but the jerk loves running circles around you and it can really help keep track of the boss

[small stone]

That’s what I’m doing

I’m using a LW, two sub machine guns, missiles

I’m on console and camera sensitivity is up to 8

I’ve tried almost everything so far

It’s been two months

[eager vector]

you’re not hard locked here

[small stone]

Yeah I panic click or she flies so fast the hard lock is lost

[eager vector]

she never flies so fast the hard lock is lost

You just have to not move the mouse

[small stone]

I’m on console

I have to move the camera stick

My hard lock might be defective

[patent oyster]

Dont move the camera stick after you engage hard lock, and it should stick

[small stone]

When Ibis flies off the screen is it normal for the lock to break

[patent oyster]

No

Ibis always flies within 300 ish meters, unless you are backpedaling

Hmm ok

A good test to see if you're hard locked or not is whether your AC constantly faces your target

When hard locked, the locked enemy should stay largely centered within your HUD even if you dont move the right stick

[small stone]

Hmm

When Ibis flies off screen the lock always breaks

[eager vector]

hardlock breaks the instant you move the camera stick

[small stone]

Yes I know that

[patent oyster]

That doesnt sound like hard lock then

How are you engaging hard lock?

[small stone]

The four quadrants pop up and it locks on

[patent oyster]

Like what inputs

Do you just click it down once and take your thumb off the stick?

[small stone]

Click right stick once

Take thumb off

And when ibis flies off screen, lock breaks

[patent oyster]

Are you hitting the stick accidentally?

[eager vector]

that’s bizarre

[patent oyster]

When using right thumb ABXY buttons

[patent oyster]

Thats the thing, ibis shouldnt go off screen at all if you're hard locked

Either you're accidentally bumping the stick or your controller is ghost inputting

[small stone]

Fucking hell

And controllers are hundreds of dollars

Honestly I’ll never beat ibis

[patent oyster]

Can you get it returned/replaced?

[small stone]

My baseline for bosses is Balteus which took 10 times so I’ll be like X/10

[small stone]

No idk if it’s a ghost input I’ll do testing

[patent oyster]

Before you give up, maybe try it on other enemies first

[small stone]

Yeah I’m about to go to bed

I’ve died to ibis 60+ times…. All of the advice on the main discord I’ve tried but nothing worked

[patent oyster]

Go into AC test, turn the enemy AI off, and see if you circle them while hard locked and moving sideways

[serene kettle]

My S rank cheese strat for IBIS was just zimms and double stun needles, but that was a few regulations ago

It’s a sitting duck for the first couple seconds of the fight though, and anything you have that can stagger it then will make the first part a lot more efficient

[patent oyster]

Its possible to cheese ibis with nothing but bunk and chainsaw

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1144298738425266237/1210575505640783953/bunksaw_p1.mp4?ex=661933cb&is=6606becb&hm=6517fe7af3361aac708b38d618825193198ec78f96645ff569b6125a252a85fa&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1144298738425266237/1210575676651077642/SPOILER_bunksawp2.mp4?ex=661933f4&is=6606bef4&hm=b8afffa6ed90a72e03a9b3e30580aabe3b8baa0b9a1890730e2ed9de70a34213&

Not my gameplay, im not that good

[small stone]

That’s the thing I just can’t get the hang of pile

[serene kettle]

I should try IBIS with lumberjack sometime

[small stone]

Got any clips of that?

[serene kettle]

No, I don’t really do clips

[small stone]

Oh ok

[serene kettle]

sorry! it's just not a thing I ever really did

screenshots sure, but clips require a little more foresight

[small stone]

Yeah

I’m just tired

But the issue is if I don’t practice I’ll get rusty

And I’ll get smashed over and over

[patent oyster]

Id check if hard lock is working properly first

[serene kettle]

Balteus took me forty something tries fwiw

So like. I feel you.

[small stone]

The ac discord is full of people who are like

“Try this ng+ build”

So next to my name I have first playthrough

[patent oyster]

Idk, nothing is more embarrasing than being walled for hours on SMART CLEANER

Of all things

[small stone]

Smart cleaner surprised the fuck out of me but I got it hickory

Quickly

[patent oyster]

I did filtercopter in less than 5 tries, i did 1.01 balt in less than 10 tries, not even ibis took me as long as smart cleaner

I breeze past it now but back then i genuinely got super frustrated

[eager vector]

smart cleaner still really fucks up BISEXUAL LIGHTNING

laser lance+pile bunker just doesn’t work

[patent oyster]

Honestly, you can beat the entire game with a ch1 build

Dual LCS dual haldeman

[small stone]

I can’t

I’m not that guy

[patent oyster]

Nah trust me

[small stone]

No seriously

I’ve been fighting ibis for months

I’ve been cheesing bosses constantly

The only times when I finally win is when I am screaming at the boss and fighting it for hours until I finally win

[patent oyster]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1144298738425266237/1210535341581275166/ARMORED_CORETM_VI_FIRES_OF_RUBICONTM_2024-02-23_21-33-25.mp4?ex=66190e64&is=66069964&hm=28363cea67c19c88fd120eb85cfdb5b43c385d3f83efa520fbbff0e5c654a242&

LCS + Haldeman is genuinely just

"Point gun at them and shoot until you win"

[small stone]

If you can do that with ibis

I will make a fucking religion to worship you

Monat-AC6

Maybe I should go back to Zimmerman

But etsujins is what I’ve been using and a lw

[serene kettle]

Ibis does require a fair bit of practice to reliably hit

And not die vs

It’s just so slippery

[patent oyster]

The trick with ibis is wait until it does the choreographed attacks that make it stand still

Its a whole lotta waiting and dodging

[small stone]

I was doing that with laser lance

I needed to stagger somehow

I’m trying to get super fuckign close but it never stays still

[patent oyster]

Laser lance isnt that good for ibis imo

Since it pushes your target away

And has a fair amount of animations that you need to wait for

[small stone]

Plasma sword is infuriatingly not close enough

[patent oyster]

If close range punish doesnt work, then use zooks

In any case, dont fire while ibis is moving

Wait for it to stand still

And then shoot it

The only weapons that reliably hit it on the move are basically just missiles

[small stone]

But what about chasing it

[patent oyster]

Dont chase it

[small stone]

Hmm so dual missiles, Zimmerman?

[patent oyster]

Treat it as a souls boss, circle it and dodge attacks

[patent oyster]

Then when it shows an opening, rush it and do damage

Rinse and repeat

[small stone]

Hmm

But always keep it hard locked

What about 1 songbird?

[eager vector]

https://youtu.be/MulZAPDOrzE?si=Z5m64PdVa08g6F4X

Laser Lance worked great for me

[patent oyster]

Songbird fires too slowly

[patent oyster]

It doesnt fully fill the ACS bar though

[eager vector]

no, that’s fine tho

[small stone]

What the fuck

[eager vector]

You wanna stagger with the zimmerman

[small stone]

How did you do that so

Effortlessly

[patent oyster]

I honestly dont remember how i cleared Ibis the first time lmao

I remember it was annoying af

[eager vector]

I got lucky in that the strategy that I’d been using the whole game worked really well vs ibis

that was my 6th attempt

[small stone]

Ohh

I’ll try stun needle?

I’ll practice hardlock…

[patent oyster]

Id play it more if the first half of the mission wasnt so annoying

[eager vector]

Nah the stun needle was dead weight

[small stone]

Oh

[patent oyster]

Fromsoft please give us a "boss fight" menu

Where we can load directly into bossfights

Instead of needing to go through the BS prior

[eager vector]

balteus took me 50 tries bc I hadn’t figured out yet that moving the stick breaks hardlock

[small stone]

Alright so

[eager vector]

It’s not that bad, I loaded up the mission just now and did it

[small stone]

Lance. Zimmerman.

Do I keep doing a LW?

[eager vector]

sure

[small stone]

I die super quickly

[eager vector]

stay far away

don’t chase, wait for it to chase you and then punish

if you whiff the Lance, back off

[patent oyster]

Effort though

Lmao

[eager vector]

the Lance+pb incidentally clears enemy ACs super quickly also

and the rest of the mobs you can just skip

[patent oyster]

Theres a reason why i mostly test builds vs nightfall

[patent oyster]

Its just a long arena match with no frills

[small stone]

What attack should I pay attention for

[serene kettle]

I never liked the lance/bunk build but people swear by it for a reason

[patent oyster]

Same

[small stone]

I also can’t get the range of the pile

What should I use

Lance, Zimmerman, what missiles?

[eager vector]

6 cell

[patent oyster]

6 cell is always solid

6 cell might genuinely be the best missile in the game

In terms of sheer utility and being well rounded

[eager vector]

fwiw my heart has been set on the pilebunker since I saw Big O in high school and as a Nelson player I was never not gonna use the Lance

[small stone]

Should I just do pilebunker

If Ibis is coming for me I don’t need to chase and misjudge range

[eager vector]

when it stops moving laterally, moves straight in toward with a little twirl. Ideally when the laser blade extends you want to already be charging the lance

[small stone]

So laser, weapons bay, pile?

But that takes two seconds and by then Ibis is moving again

[patent oyster]

CAST IN THE NAME OF GOD

[small stone]

I counted the seconds timing and bay seems so slow

[eager vector]

if you get a full lance connect, you close distance and swap weapons while you fire the Zimmerman

[patent oyster]

Use pulse blade

Pulse blade is really good for a starter weapon no joke

[eager vector]

Zimmerman stun lasts longer than lance stun

[small stone]

So I use the opposite arm for weapons bay

[eager vector]

what now

just do lance+pb on left side zimm+6 cell on right side

or weapon by haldeman on the right for reload juggling the right shoulder doesn’t really matter for this strat

[patent oyster]

Honestly you dont even need missiles, you can just have zimm in weapons bay, pull it out for stunning, then use fists to extend the stun lock

[eager vector]

no need to extend really with this setup

[small stone]

After that it takes practice right

I’ve never heard the advice of staying back everyone said to chase

Didn’t give the staying back bit a chance yet

[patent oyster]

But extending stun is funni+lance cooldown will have finished by then

[patent oyster]

Who tf

I mean, chasing is a valid strategy

[small stone]

Main AC discord

[patent oyster]

Its just that the EASIER strategy is to play passively

[small stone]

Dual etsujin

Run like hell

But I always slipped on the lock or ran out of en

[serene kettle]

IBIS is a boss that is endlessly slippery if you play it aggressively imo

[small stone]

I’m beginning to notice that

Also the very familiar “oh I played AC on the PS1” when I ask why I should do something lmao

[serene kettle]

It instead demands you wait your turn after the rest of the game has taught aggression

[small stone]

Like Elden Ring

Hmm

I beat ER five times.. maybe this is the way

Hey wait it’s just like Margit

Skill check

[serene kettle]

I did play AC1 on the PS1. AC6 is a very different game

It has a ton of throwbacks but gameplay is wildly different!

[eager vector]

I never owned a ps1 but I played the shit out of AC2/3/SL

[serene kettle]

AC2 is for the most part pretty similar to AC1

controls a little smoother and the heat system is new, but it's mostly pretty similar

[eager vector]

https://youtu.be/rNY2as6eYmk?si=EDvIZa2MFh7rxOuR this is the run I jumped on and did tonight

first attempt tonight

[serene kettle]

oh wow. IBIS does less damage than I remember

you just kinda ate that first sword swipe and it didn't chunk off half your healthbar

[small stone]

If you can do it with a MW

THEN SO CAN I

ITS LANCER TIME

[eager vector]

hell yea

my first clear was heavy RJ lol

[small stone]

What’s your frame and generator?

[serene kettle]

the melee weapon that most sparks joy for me personally is actually the starter pulse sword tbh

the two-hit combo just looks and feels so good

[small stone]

For me it’s the Lance

[eager vector]

pulse sword is absolutely goated

[small stone]

Because lancet

Lancer

[eager vector]

@small stone you’re running basho arms right

[small stone]

This is the build that got me to phase two a few hours ago

[patent oyster]

You need basho arms for the beeg melee dmg

[small stone]

This is the build I’ve been trying to make fit for the past three hours

[serene kettle]

plus it actually does nutty damage when you're using it to punish stagger due to the insane modifier and it even gets PA interference for the occasions where that matters

just a great all-rounder weapon

[patent oyster]

Melee cancelling with it is so good

You can two hit for stagger punish

And charged hit for hitstun

[eager vector]

the tracking and stagger on the charge hit

[patent oyster]

Which you can combo into harris for instant ACS overload

[serene kettle]

god yeah I sometimes forget you can melee cancel with it just for the lunge

one of the weapons of all time

[patent oyster]

Honestly every other melee is either a sidegrade or a downgrade from pulse blade

[serene kettle]

so many AC games give you junk parts to start and let you work your way up

then AC6 just gives you deadass a contender for best melee weapon outright from the get-go

[eager vector]

using the rifle that’s what I initially thought AC6 was doing

[serene kettle]

Turner is definitely a little rough, or was on release

it's a lot better now

[patent oyster]

Turner is pretty good now

And 4 cell missiles are always solid

[eager vector]

yeah on release tho, phew

[serene kettle]

I was still using it at Balteus though because it felt good to use

[patent oyster]

Its the internals of loader 4 that are....less than desirable

[eager vector]

yup

[serene kettle]

yeah you do start with a pretty bad generator

[eager vector]

I adore the legs

[serene kettle]

and the boosters leave a lot to be desired

the frame parts actually aren't bad

[patent oyster]

Joso is irrideemable

Even p10 booster is alright

And the FCS is situational

But Joso generator is just plain terrible

[eager vector]

reppin crawler on my fav pvp build

rip P10SLT

[serene kettle]

I used the Tool Arm on my NG+ mech and the head on my NG++ mech

[patent oyster]

That EN load makes me die a little inside

[eager vector]

the downside of gradient painjobs is you don’t swap frame parts around much lmao

[eager vector]

lol yeah

could’ve been better with ephemera but it didn’t look as good

[serene kettle]

Queen of Nails was the undisputed champion of my friend group's PVP circuit for a while too

completely undefeated for a while

[small stone]

So I gotta relearn Elden ring

Probably take a break from the chud advice from the main discord and Reddit

And then I can breath after ibis is dead

It will take 35 tries I’m calling it now

[serene kettle]

Good luck!

[patent oyster]

Honestly i dont understand how you're getting so much bad advice lmao, most clips ive seen on youtube are of people fighting ibis the normal way

[small stone]

Ps1 NG++++ players

[patent oyster]

Sure you can use cheese strats and other unconventional ways to clear (i remember one person cleared IBIS by being hyper aggressive with 4 SMGs)

[small stone]

The AC playerbase is notoriously sweaty and FAST

[patent oyster]

But the most logical way to clear is to be patient and wait

[serene kettle]

the funny part is PS1 AC is actually really slow in comparison to AC6

just in general

You don't have quickboosting, assault boosting, or anything like that, and even your "skating" boost on the ground is limited by a meter (which depletes much more quickly if you leave the ground at all)

[patent oyster]

Thats just 4th gen tbh

[small stone]

It’s either “you got this ibis took me a while”
“Damn you’re not hardlocking”
“I beat ibis first try”

[serene kettle]

I'll cop to "you're not hardlocking" because that was my first assumption watching your clips 😅

the blatant bragging is classic shitty redditor stuff tho >.>

[patent oyster]

There's a reason why i mostly engage with the fashioncore subreddit instead of the main one

[serene kettle]

very fair

unfortunately as happy as I am to get more armored core after ONE THOUSAND YEARS, the unfortunate side effect of migrating the worst parts of the souls fanbase hurts sometimes

on a mostly unrelated note, I learned today that the Verdict Day Servers shut down two days ago 😦

[frank pivot]

they issued the Final Verdict

sadge

[serene kettle]

Yeah.

A bigger loss than it might sound like, too - Verdict Day had significant PvE content that was only accessible through the multiplayer

including several bosses

like, you just can't fight the rebuilt Spirit of Motherwill anymore. It was only accessible through the multiplayer. There's probably still some data sorcery you could do, but it's just not possible legit now

[surreal tundra]

Hm,
Does dual Ludlow work alright for stagger buildup?
I think I ended up using something like that recently-ish...

With some missile- or not, forgot, and a melee for punish?

[surreal tundra]

Yeeikes
Modding is the best bet now I suppose

[polar osprey]

Idk how much help this is but i found a lot of success dodging Ibis attacks using verticality of jumping around with reverse joint legs as well as strafing

You can dodge most of Ibis laser spam shit with strafing and one or two well placed quick boosts so long as you use a decently agile build

And for the big attacks i've found some success jumping over them

My weapons of choice are dual machine guns paired with the 4 piece missiles for consistent and constant damage

I'll record a vid of the fight when i get home in a few hours as a demonstration

[surreal tundra]

Sidenote but Nightmare Fodder is a bit easier vs MT hoards if you've got plasmas fjnfg
Real satisfying lmao

[patent oyster]

so uh

all chapter 1 pre-balteus parts, and no OS tuning besides 1 level of assault armour and 1 level of boost kick (so no weapon damage boosts)

dual LCS dual haldeman is the go-to early game speedrun loadout

its just that good

[patent oyster]

This is also what hard lock is supposed to look like when fighting ibis

[patent oyster]

Ive also beat the bosses of all 3 endings with this setup actually scratch that, it turns out that it was an even worse build stat wise, tool arms instead of nachtreiher

[surreal tundra]

tangent, giving a player control of the ||CEL-240|| would be-
so friggin broken lmao,

[surreal tundra]

I played through it as a kid and basically just set up the emulator controls to feel actually good to play-
oh goddess wasn't the interact button the same as the laserblade? or am I just forgetting?

[patent oyster]

There's a mod for that

[eager vector]

@small stone

[patent oyster]

Ngl the clear probably wouldve been better with tool arms because i would have more than 339 boost speed (ew)

[small stone]

Thank you!

[patent oyster]

Npnp

[eager vector]

no that’s correct

[small stone]

I think I’ll go back to a MW thanks

I can do this. I just have to believe.

[polar osprey]

I'm home finally

Going to grab something to drink then boot my pc up and fix that Ibis vid

[serene kettle]

This is correct

[polar osprey]

here's me using my first playthrough AC to fight Ibis

here's the build also

not sure if it helps

[small stone]

Basically just gotta wait for ibis to come to me

And not chase

[polar osprey]

when it starts zooming around, chasing is inadvisable

it tends to want to do a big move which you want some range for

so you can dodge

[quasi copper]

honestly the biggest things about IBIS you gotta watch out for are that you can't stay in one spot when the funnels engage, and that its beam sword attacks lead the target

I don't think it does much else that beats ass hard

[wooden nimbus]

Re the CCC chat I didn't really struggle with pre patch Balteus but that mostly comes from an error in my programming.

Because I charge directly into the missiles and pray reflexes solve what strategy doesn't

This is not good advice but my fried little brain managed it

[trail steeple]

W

my dual smgs didn't do enough shield damage, so i used the energy sword instead

[wooden nimbus]

Butta Blade fucks I love it

[polar osprey]

lol

[serene kettle]

The sword attacks are the real killer in my experience. Most of the other stuff is chip damage

Which can add up, but if you’re getting obliterated by a combo it’s probably the sword

[cursive agate]

*side note: focus on AP instead of Defense to increase tankiness against IBIS, ||since it uses Coral damage||.

[patent oyster]

Im not gonna lie, ive never paid attention to the defense stats in the time that ive played AC6 lol

The only "defense" stats i build for are AP, mobility-related stats, and whether i have a utility weapon that allows me to not take that much damage (jamming bomb, shield, EULE, etc)

[polar osprey]

my builds are 0% influenced by armor stats

[wooden nimbus]

My builds: "Yeah this looks cool"

[patent oyster]

Aethetics over everything

Even my most optimised builds have to look good first, and i will never use some parts out of principle

[surreal tundra]

XD

[surreal tundra]

Yeah, I forgot if it was really an issue or not lmao,
I think I remember going for full Human Plus (and not noticing that my name got removed cuz I didn't have mine at the time) cuz crouching was always a pain- I am so glad it's relatively momentary in AC6. In hindsight, despite how much it can be a deathwish in certain fights/if mistimed, it feels so much worse to take about a second or so to properly fire a back weapon- I guess I stuck to missiles since then for pre-gen4

[serene kettle]

I beat nineball's ass (twice in a row) without any H+ enhancements and I can hold my head proud of that for eternity 😛

Admittedly only the first time was fair. For the second one I flew past him, then set up the plasma cannon in the tube at the top and waited for him to follow, then stunlocked him with it in tight confines.

[surreal tundra]

As much as I had fun with the older games I think I kinda don't like how it's almost impossible to tell if you actually hit or did damage, made fighting and losing much more frustrating I think

[small stone]

Well

Time to fight Ibis

[serene kettle]

It depends on the game. V/VD gives you way too much feedback if anything

Whereas 4/4A gives you basically nothing, unless you’re actually watching the number you just kinda die out of nowhere

[polar osprey]

Yeah lol

Took me a while to figure out 4A

[serene kettle]

Meanwhile v gives you visible screen shake and static with every hit and a big hit indicator every time you do damage

Also energy at 30%

[surreal tundra]

yeah, makes it annoying in th PvE vs AI enemies too,

[surreal tundra]

lmao,

[surreal tundra]

Mhm,
I guess AC6 has the right amount of feedback for me, or at least close to it?
Quite fun zmxcn

[serene kettle]

I actually have a lot of appreciation for ACV/VD's soundtrack but it tends to be pretty hard to make it out in actual gameplay

over all the UI noises

[patent oyster]

Good luck

[surreal tundra]

No way to power that part of the audio?

[serene kettle]

It's not the volume, it's just that there's so many audio cues for other things that it's really hard to enjoy the music

Which is a shame because some of it rules

[polar osprey]

Mechanized Memories...

[serene kettle]

That's a good one for sure, but there are some other standouts like Stain, Forgive an Angel, Mech Dinosaur, even Dirty Worker and Why Won't You Come Down

[surreal tundra]

Mhm

[serene kettle]

a couple others that live in my head like Smasher and Scientist

VD also has a remake of High Fever from the first game and it's great

[polar osprey]

interesting

[serene kettle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fVmnaT5Fbk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxSKezwmfi4 for comparison, the original

[small stone]

Yes or no?

[polar osprey]

honest opinions?

i think it looks nice

makes me think of Thomas the tank engine though

[serene kettle]

Choo Choo motherfucker *laser lance*

[cursive agate]

VP-20S is kinda the "I can't fit the VP-20C" option, though I guess you're really tight on space as-is.

[serene kettle]

the steam whistle is the zimmerman

[patent oyster]

VP20C is overall better

Its a very good generator

[serene kettle]

yeah a lot of my builds run it

[surreal tundra]

Pffffft cjdng

Amazing

[serene kettle]

and generally probably prioritize internals over everything else in terms of using the best stuff for what you're trying to do

you'll notice the difference between generators in practice a lot more than you will the difference between frame parts

(usually)

[surreal tundra]

High stat's on your FCS can beat out the bad firearm spec on the BASHOs right?

[patent oyster]

Depends on the weapon

[surreal tundra]

Tho I guess I can't see any reason to not go close range FCSs if you're using melee weapons anyways,

[surreal tundra]

Fair,
Which ones?

Tangent but the Firmeza legs make me think of the bayverse transformers legs/feet???

[small stone]

EDIT

THE PILE STRAT WORKED

Ibis chased me and it worked

I died soon after but I can do it

[surreal tundra]

Glad to hear it

XD

[small stone]

Well

My issue is it's not doing what y'all described much

[serene kettle]

Firearm Spec’s effects are generally not dramatic unless it’s really low

[small stone]

It's not chasing me it's stopping and floating

[serene kettle]

There’s a difference between Basho and Nacht arms for guns but it’s not super extreme

FCS is way more important

[patent oyster]

Basho arms have poor recoil control along with firearm spec, so rapid fire weapons will quickly lose accuracy unless you facehug the enemy

[serene kettle]

Yeah recoil control can be a bigger deal

Depending on specific weapons

[patent oyster]

Basho occellus works well if you facehug or use single shot weapons

Eg. Charged harris or zooks

[small stone]

Hmm

I didn't even get close the second time

She didn't stop at all

This may be more infuriating as time goes on

[patent oyster]

But it also depends on overall loadout

[serene kettle]

Note that if you’re not double triggering, recoil will almost never be an issue

[surreal tundra]

I think I forgot to pick up the ocellus and just facehug with Basho, Ludlow, and Talbot lmao

[surreal tundra]

*nightmarish fodder makes that the only option sometimes

[patent oyster]

Eg. On my main jamming pvp build, i use P01 starter FCS with basho simply because i dont use the target reticle when i manual aim

[surreal tundra]

Oh-
It doubles up/affects both arms?

[patent oyster]

Recoil control also affects shoulder weapons

[surreal tundra]

Wait, really?

[patent oyster]

Yup

Well

The recoil buildup number is shared by arms and shoulder weapons

[surreal tundra]

But they are mostly singleshot or missile-types, so I assume it doesn't come up often unless it's a gattling-type?

[surreal tundra]

Ah, so all 4 slots contribute to it?

[patent oyster]

Earshot, morley, LCS, etc

[patent oyster]

Yes

[small stone]

@eager vector so it's not stopping and it's also not chasing me but hard lock is working

[patent oyster]

If you watch my clip of me fighting ibis with haldemans and LCS, you can see that occasionally my LCS shots dont land in the same place

If im firing repeatedly

[patent oyster]

Wait, speaking of manual aim

[surreal tundra]

Mhm,
alright fair enough, so mind that too, noted

[patent oyster]

@small stone do you have the manual aim OST upgrade unlocked?

[eager vector]

if it’s not chasing you, get farther away

[patent oyster]

Your issues with hard lock might stem from you toggling manual aim by accident

If you've unlocked that OST upgrade

[small stone]

Yes

[patent oyster]

Hard/soft lock toggle is one click of the right stick, but holding the right stick down engages manual aim

So you might be holding it down a bit too long

[small stone]

Yeah hardlock is working

Also what do you recommend for the second phase?

[surreal tundra]

Honestly it might be better to not take the manual aim upgrade unless you know you're good with that, or iunno

[patent oyster]

Most of the attacks are the same so dodge like you did in phase 1

[eager vector]

if you’re doing lance+pb, same thing

[surreal tundra]

Especially on the first run
*IMO

[patent oyster]

Manual aim is tricky to use

But im forced to use it as a jamming bomb user

If im not locked on 80% of the time anyways, why not go the other 20%

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1144298738425266237/1214525053576679464/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_17.mp4?ex=661e5799&is=660be299&hm=3d368a4b88cd756fa73545c6ab9fba47bb4b8e35bd9bcf10947d8ba81c750379&

The "weapons" are
Explosive thrower
Jamming bomb launcher
Laser dagger
Pulse shield launcher

So i essentially only have 2 weapons

[small stone]

Fuck

I keep dying

That's three times now

I'm trying everything everyone is telling me isn't is supposed to work really well?

I keep losing health due to funnels or blade attacks

[patent oyster]

Whats your boost speed

[small stone]

And by the time in at phase two I have maybe 1 kit remaining

[small stone]

340, medium frame

[patent oyster]

340 should be enough to passively dodge the funnels

I had 339 in my clip

[small stone]

Edit no 335

[patent oyster]

Ah

The best config to fight ibis can sidestrafe and circle to passively dodge the chip attacks

[serene kettle]

I played at 270 and still could cleanly strafe the funnels my first time through

[patent oyster]

I reckon VP20S is hurting your mobility

Since your EN cap isnt high

[serene kettle]

My first build was pretty bad

[patent oyster]

Press tab so i can see the detailed stats?

[serene kettle]

Love to see pulse field launcher

People sleep on it

[surreal tundra]

This feels much faster than my game, even though I've played with the Nacht legs/core
Maybe it's cuz the laptop has to run it a bit slower to make it run smoothly if at all?

[small stone]

FUCK

I WAS SO CLOSE

I WAS SO FUCKING CLOSE

I've never gotten that far and then I fuking died

....

):

[surreal tundra]

You'll get her

[patent oyster]

Im using yaba generator, P01 fcs, and alula

[small stone]

Ideas?

[small stone]

It's been months...

[surreal tundra]

I also basically only use the ALULA, I assume it's just the game running slower for me

[surreal tundra]

And this is the closest you've gotten right?

[small stone]

Yes

[patent oyster]

Swap to VP20C, and change your booster

[surreal tundra]

It's a lot closer than other times, or?

[patent oyster]

P04 is a good balanced one but not for ibis

[small stone]

Extremely

[patent oyster]

Id rather take alula or even 06SPD

[surreal tundra]

Then you'll get there soon

[polar osprey]

Alula is kinda peak

[patent oyster]

swap to pulse armour if you cant dodge some attacks

[surreal tundra]

Oh I didn't notice you weren't using the ALULA dndnf
I basically never switch unless it's to the NGI

[patent oyster]

Not sure if a single haldeman is enough to fill the role of the zimmer

Could work though

[surreal tundra]

Which missiles are on? The 4 cell?

[patent oyster]

Overall, a higher boost speed will benefit you greatly

Since most IBIS attacks are dodged by QBing on the ground

[patent oyster]

Im also on M+KB

And have smth like 370+ boost speed

And manual aim mouse twitching might make it seem faster

[surreal tundra]

Maybe everything feels just a hair faster- maybe I just forgot, but anycase I'd bet it's just my laptop not being able to handle it

[patent oyster]

Oh yeah i have my camera speed at 8

[surreal tundra]

my camera speed is on 10- and anyways I'm on controller so I won't see it that much,

[cursive agate]

Ibis can be a really grounded fight outside of dodging blades and getting into melee range if you have decent boost speeds.

[patent oyster]

Yup

Just circle and wait for opportunities

[cursive agate]

In my experiences, ibis tries to sit around mid-long range, which is the opposite of most AC6 fights. Lots of fancy moves before stopping for (big) attacks.

[patent oyster]

From my experience (and from watching the absolutely insane person on youtube who beat ibis with ALL AC presets), ibis reacts differently depending on where you are relative to it

So its entirely possible to force it to behave in certain ways

[polar osprey]

Wonder if i defeated Ibis with Nuclear Whiplash

I feel like i prolly did but i can't remember

[small stone]

FUCK

I got so close

A sliver of health

Then I dodged straight into a beam sword

[polar osprey]

You're getting there

[patent oyster]

Remember that you can AA to punish

[eager vector]

that's awesome that you're getting so close! you'll have it in no time!

[polar osprey]

Keep it up

[patent oyster]

Or use pulse armour to tank

[small stone]

It's too damn slow...

[small stone]

I'll try Zimmer.

[patent oyster]

Or use terminal

Use it to effectively extend your first health bar

So let ibis deplete your AP and pop terminal, then heal

[modern hornet]

A good rule of thumb for using Terminal Armor in PvE in general is to always keep at least one Repair Kit unspent so long as you have the Core Expansion. That way you can use the brief window of automatic Pulse Armor to heal up for your second wind.

[polar osprey]

I always use it as a final stall when all my healing and hp is out

[patent oyster]

Yup

[polar osprey]

But that's honestly dumb

[patent oyster]

Ngl i never needed terminal armour in pve tho

[polar osprey]

I've won pvp matches with it though which is always peak

[small stone]

Fuck

That's 5/35 deaths so far

I upped the counter to 35 because I think it might be better than 10

[polar osprey]

I have never used anything except Terminal Armor so you know

[modern hornet]

I tend to run either Terminal or Pulse Armor, myself. Particularly Pulse Armor with what I'm currently doing, which is a Curtis/Ransetsu Double Trigger build.

[patent oyster]

Could always go for dual haldeman dual LCS

[patent oyster]

Ngl ive used pulse protection more than terminal

Lol

[polar osprey]

The one build i don't have terminal on is Aperture Momentum

Because Aperture Momentum is a stun and melt build so survivability isn't exactly a question

[modern hornet]

I legit only use Pulse Protection for one mission in the entire story.

[polar osprey]

Pretty sure this has spoilers for post-Ibis parts so don't look Scribble

But Aperture Momentum is very funny

[patent oyster]

Not gonna lie if i fought that and it had terminal, id be pretty annoyed

[polar osprey]

It and Nuclear Whiplash are my two NEXT equivalents in AC6

[patent oyster]

As a lightweight player

[modern hornet]

Ah, yes, the only arm part in the entire game where that particular Double Trigger setup is even remotely possible.

[polar osprey]

The only legs capable of holding it up

And one of two torso's capable of supporting the energy cost

It's an absolutely absurdly specced build

[modern hornet]

Have you considered the heavy tank legs?

[polar osprey]

It's my equivalent to the overwhelming firepower of a NEXT

[polar osprey]

No

I have not

I don't like how tank legs or quads look

I have used them only once each for builds

[small stone]

Fuck

6/35

I'm getting to second phase now

Fucking long ass sigh

[patent oyster]

Try to get to phase 2 with 2 health packs remaining

[small stone]

I'm doing that

It's just..

I don't know

[patent oyster]

Do you mind recording your next attempt and we can maybe provide some tips?

[polar osprey]

Nuclear Whiplash is my equivalent to the speed of a NEXT

[patent oyster]

Though idk how much help ill be since i dont really use lance all that much

[modern hornet]

Have you considered strafing back left and doing the "beep, beep, dodge"? You wait for the attack warning to beep twice, then QB in another direction when the Qubeley does a sword beam.

[small stone]

They're all above the discord limit and whenever I try to trim them my Xbox app crashes

[patent oyster]

Try recording when phase 2 starts?

[small stone]

That's what I've been doing

[patent oyster]

Depends on the slash tbh

If its the 3 slashes, then dodge the 3rd in the opposite direction

If its the two, just dodge once

If its the big beam, then dodge in the other direction

[patent oyster]

Id take regular 4 cell or 6 cell over split missile

[patent oyster]

Also the attacks at 0:26 can be dodged passively without QB

Dont waste your EN bar when you dont need to

[patent oyster]

When it uses the 3 slashes attack, use a QB (or two) to dodge the first two, then QB dodge in the opposite direction of travel to dodge the 3rd

[modern hornet]

I'd also consider a Wurger laser shotgun for your right arm. Its charged attack pairs extremely well with melee weapons, particularly if you have a generator with 100+ Energy Firearms Spec. Melee builds really start coming online going into Ch.4 iirc.

[patent oyster]

Eh wuerger charged attack takes too long

Especially since ibis isnt stunned for that long

And most of that time is taken up by lance animation finishing + charged pile animation

If you add charged wuerger windup animation, ibis will be gone by then

[small stone]

Fuck

7/35

[modern hornet]

It'll guarantee a stagger if you don't manage it with the 4-ton laser pointer, though.

[small stone]

Ok

[small stone]

Equipped

[small stone]

Worked for first phase

[small stone]

Maybe unsure

[patent oyster]

Should still work for phase 2, there's no difference in their hitbox

It looks scarier, but those attacks are essentially the same besides damage numbers i think

[modern hornet]

Ibis also gets a lot more aggressive in Phase 2 and also gets a couple new moves that can, for the most part, be dodged relatively harmlessly with verticality.

[patent oyster]

I prefer wuerg as a stagger punish anyways

[patent oyster]

The new moves (besides the one where it turns into a giant lenseflare) make it a sitting duck for the most part

[eager vector]

the 32 second mark is when you wanna start charging the lance

[modern hornet]

Even the "giant lenseflare" move leaves Ibis a sitting duck for a good few seconds immediately afterwards. It's an easy punish window if you can exploit it.

[patent oyster]

Yup

Ibis fight is basically just

A whole lotta waiting

And looking at some very beautiful animations

Until it stops moving

[patent oyster]

Also since ibis likes to play keep away, getting into wuerg range when ibis is unstaggered is gonna be a challenge

[small stone]

sigh

Fuck

It's been 30 minutes....

9 deaths so far

[modern hornet]

I generally prefer the mid-range band myself, and pretty much never build a lightweight AC, so I'm usually able to either dodge as much as possible and take what I can't on the chin while unloading... or just build the biggest, bulkiest tank I can and cheese the fight with flamers and stun needles.

[patent oyster]

This is the closest youve gotten so far so

[patent oyster]

You dont even need stun needle to cheese it, have you seen the clip i sent

[modern hornet]

No I have not

[patent oyster]

@modern hornet

On a lightweight as well

[small stone]

sigh

[patent oyster]

Which attacks are you having trouble with?

[small stone]

It's like

Once I take damage from even one sword attacl

After that I lose my flow

Or if I miss a lance charge I get bodied by lasers

As soon as my HP drops a significant measure it goes downhill

[patent oyster]

Thats the risk i was talking about yesterday

Charged lance is great - if it connects

If you miss, you've basically immobilised yourself for a few seconds for nothing

It might also help to change up your combo

Maybe try doing lance -> zimm -> pile

Or zimm->lance->pile

Or swap the missiles with a rifle on the back

[small stone]

I'm doing both

[patent oyster]

So you can do some chip damage at mid range

[small stone]

Might as well try the dual lasers and haldermand

[patent oyster]

And keep ibis' ACS bar up

Or that

[small stone]

What's your build for that?

Also we are at

[patent oyster]

Remember to swap generators to something with higher EN weapon spec

[small stone]

13/35

[patent oyster]

I sent it below the vid

Lemme ping you

[patent oyster]

@small stone

Its definitely not optimized at all frame-wise

And neither are the internals

All i wanted was the VP20D and the weapons

[small stone]

Yeah it does seem slow

[patent oyster]

In my clip, i was a lot more trigger happy than i shouldve been, and i took more damage because of that

[small stone]

So basically

Just... Wait for every time ibis is still

And fire lasers

[serene kettle]

LCs really do not fuck around huh

[patent oyster]

Full disclosure, it also took me 4-5 tries to get a "clean" run without taking too much damage or dying accidentally

I did first try it lol, but i wanted to use all ch1 parts so i didnt show that one (which used snail head and talbot FCS)

[serene kettle]

It brings me joy to see the AC1/2 laser cannon design back here

[small stone]

Fitting the other cannon halfed my speed and caused shortfall

So maybe this will work tomorrow

[patent oyster]

Id use another leg

And take the speed loss

As long as you arent under 350 speed