Armored Core General!

[surreal tundra]

stimmy! this thing is incredibly stimmy lmao,
if there's another fun song that I like that gets played to this I think I'd probs find it pretty stimmy lmao

Mm mm

[frank pivot]

stimmy? XD

is this a zoomer meme i'm too old to understand

[surreal tundra]

no like- stimming,

Iunno how much this makes sense to you zxmcn

[urban knoll]

||https://youtu.be/sAVi0ITOTzU?si=u6VCNz0AFviTRYly||

NG++ spoilers in video

[shut sequoia]

what generator do you Ravens like using?

[surreal tundra]

NGI
for RP, hyperfixation, and also for playstyle preference reasons, the coral gens and that one in particular is my only option lmao

maybe sometimes swap to one with EN spec for laser pistols, but I think most of the weapons I use/wanna use don't need it that much anyways I think,

[shut sequoia]

the Aorta or the triple zero?

[urban knoll]

Hokushi, Santai, VP-20D and NGI 000 for me

[shut sequoia]

I love the San-tai for the mobility you can get out of it

[surreal tundra]

NGI 000
i honestly dind't rerrmember the Aorta was also NGI zxcnbv

I only really used it because I didn't have the NGI

[shut sequoia]

the 000 has such great capacity but having to run it empty for the best recharge feels weird to me

[surreal tundra]

it's basically a magazine/ammo clip or whatever lmao, spend it all on QBs for a time- does mean that you have to plan your Boost kicks a lot more, around the whole thing, that's definitely something I need to get better at,

but the QB nonsense is fuuun,

[frank pivot]

San-Tai is my favorite for a number of reasons

highest capacity, requires some effort to work with the output, short en recharge delay

[shut sequoia]

yeah it's my favorite combustion generator

[frank pivot]

i like the VP-20D, VE-20C, and guilty pleasure ve-20b for arquebus gens

NGI is the coral gen i like best, but the aorta is ridiculous. you can run almost any loadout you want on an aorta under the dumbest weight restrictions and it just works

obviously not for pvp

but yeah

i used to like hokushi a lot but its high output feels like a build crutch now

and you sacrifice so much capacity to get it

i would love to run a vp-20d on this thing for aesthetics, and i probably will in campaign, but in multiplayer the capacity on the san-tai is just impossible to beat

i am told Yaba is a great redline gen as well

but i have yet to see the really top tier players winning with it

[cursive agate]

I've been using the VP-20C in a ton of lighter builds, it's mix of stats is really hard to beat without dipping into more specific builds.

[frank pivot]

yeah if i didn't use aorta in my lights that needed it

i'd use 20c

for sure

usually i can fit san-tai without too much issue though

[dawn stag]

I like the big chungus orange one

the san-tai or whatever it is

[strong lichen]

Now that you mention it...
They really are pretty similar, aren't they?

[formal granite]

More than just a passing similarity

||Exploiting bizarre alien lifeforms to forcefully jump humanity into the next stage of evolution, which includes an element of individuality within a sea of shared collectiveness||

[south oracle]

https://youtu.be/PwAQs1OgF-0?si=bMGkNemT_GqVs_XU

[long zodiac]

Fun thing I just realised I haven't told anyone; Ending spoilers

||I had the final bosses spoiled to me through the form of shit posts, I knew it would be Ayre, Igauzu and Walter. I did fires first, fought Ayre, made sense. I did liberator second, fought Walter, ok... throughout NG++ I sat there going "how the fuck is it that Igauzu is the big final, that loser who bitches is not the final boss material"||

||Cause in my head, I figured that yeah Igauzu could defect like G3 did and become the final boss of liberator and Walter being the secret final boss at the end of ending 3 made so much more sense when I only knew those 3||

Funniest shit looking back

[wooden nimbus]

love the decal work

[ripe crow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwAQs1OgF-0 Metal as fuck. good pattern memorization, too.

Freebird in freefall while dodging lasers.

[wooden nimbus]

crazy what lynyrd skynyrd can do to ya

[iron quarry]

The trainer AC is being piloted by John rubicon

And the only reason he loses to 621 is because he’s forced to use guns

[wooden nimbus]

I kinda wish automatic/burst shotguns were an option in AC6, if for no other reason than style.

[ripe crow]

Pulse gun

[iron quarry]

I want to make a Tortuga build but the closest thing to the DSAS is the Dafeng MG

And the Theirs no double barrel in the game either

[fierce laurel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwAQs1OgF-0

[south oracle]

lmao this got reposted like 3 times

[serene kettle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwAQs1OgF-0

😛

[ripe crow]

oops

[ashen monolith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwAQs1OgF-0

omg. no one here has ever seen this video before

[frank pivot]

for your consideration

1800 stability light

bottom text

you can go higher

but you have to hokushi

idk, it's a decent gen

anyway this absolute shitpost of a build is really fun to drive but you cannot genbust ever or you'll eat shit

cuz hokushi

[quasi copper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwAQs1OgF-0

[twin moss]

I went into NG+ Underground survey mission 2 with so many high hopes of kicking Iguazu’s ass again.

Alas 3 times in one game is too many apparently

[serene kettle]

You kinda still do. Just…spiritually

||he chickened out and you killed the assassin he blew his savings on too. Like. Lol.||

[twin moss]

I know I have to go back and ||kick Coldcall’s ass now. To prove a point||

[serene kettle]

Lol

[river junco]

Emotionally

[twin moss]

I will not allow this dude to mock me

Iguazu can mock me and die to my face or else

get dunked on

[frank pivot]

how

is this aesthetically and functionally for campaign

i think the single LRA on the VE-20C is actually quite good

combined with WLT you get 50 long range, which makes it nutty at mob clearing

cuz it one-shots all the MTs in the game, including the PCA ones (except for the automated defense network ones in like, depth 1/2/3 and institute city)

i need to test if the ve-20b can make the LRB one-shot the light LCs

but i doubt it

[twin moss]

😭 No I have to fight him again

Rusty pls

NO I JUST DID A MISSION WOTH YOU FLATWELL

WHY

proceeds to have a 4am armored core mental breakdown

[surreal tundra]

there there

at least they don't actually die there

[twin moss]

I know but I still don’t want to do it

I seriously thought ||Flatwell came to save me, but caved damned fast to Rusty’s judgment. ||Which I found insulting given how much RLF ass I’ve been kissing to get the Liberator ending

[surreal tundra]

is the 20c the 128 or the 150 EN spec?

[surreal tundra]

yeah I wasn't sure ||if he would have attacked first if you didn't attack him- I took him out anyways cuz I needed the log||

[cursive agate]

VE-20C is 128 EN Firearm Spec, VE-20B has 150.

[surreal tundra]

Got it, the more balanced/easily usable gen, got it

[cursive agate]

Yepyep

[surreal tundra]

also like-

[cursive agate]

VE-20B has surprising Capacity (3300), but the really low Output hurts especially hard with the small number of cores that boost Output.

[surreal tundra]

Lmao, the HCs and the LCs really feel kinda like pushovers now, I think

maybe I just got super comfy with the dual melee- cuz BASHOs are crazy, and the Laserdagger- wow that thing is way more useable than I first thought (way back when I first encountered it)

[surreal tundra]

Mhm, so for the Ephemera- maybe for an all-blue build XD

[cursive agate]

Running tight on EN weapons in my experience, the 150 EN Firearm Spec lets you get funny with charging weapons especially (roughly 1/2 charge time).

[surreal tundra]

Also the Wuerger- I absolutely love it, wtf that punchdagger lmao

[surreal tundra]

Mhm?

[cursive agate]

I've managed to fit 2x Laser Cannons onto a VE-20B build, but it's a tight fit for a lightweight setup. Swapping to VE-20A (116 Spec) lets you fit a Majestic bazooka instead of Duckett handgun:

[surreal tundra]

Mhm, wow that's a tight fit

Hm,

can the Duckett be swapped for the laser rifle?

Actually- how is the basic laser rifle?

I don't tend to use it cuz I just dual trigger the laser pistols if I'd be picking between them anyways,

cuz it feels like the DPS is lower when spamming shots with those over the laser pistols,
but I'm not actually sure

and the charged shot- Iunno, maybe that's good? is it?

[cursive agate]

Main reason to take Laser Rifle over Laser Pistol is the single-shot charge, Laser Pistol is better for spamming uncharged shots.

[south oracle]

laser pistol is better at DPSing basically

[cursive agate]

Can't, I'd maybe swap down to the Sampu if the stats were better (to improve EN Recovey).

[south oracle]

I can't believe AC6 has been out for more than 2 months already

[ripe crow]

in other news, I'm through chapter 3 NG+ on my no-shop run. Havnt actually made changes from the mech that won FoR.

[frank pivot]

I have been enjoying VE-20B + P10 (starter) booster builds lately. You get the 4th or 5th best AB speed (buerzel -> alula -> ngi -> P10 off the top of my head) and reasonable qb speed. It's slow, yes, but the qb recharge is about the same as the NGI.

[ripe crow]

Going to be trying the NGI 001 booster, now that Coldcall has kindly given it to me.

[frank pivot]

Ooh yeah! It's pretty good

[ripe crow]

Enforcer took 2 tries in the mech I beat Ayer in.

[frank pivot]

Imo 2nd best one you get after alula, and overall best for heavier builds

Nice 😄

Do you feel like this is holding true?

[ripe crow]

Ironically, this mech feels worse against the earlier game missions. The jav doesnt have a useful blast radius, so trash mobs have to each get a grenade, stun needle, or moonlight throw, or an entire salvo of vert missiles.

[frank pivot]

Or a kick! XD

[ripe crow]

What? Oh, I have that too...

I only ever try using it on bosses or objectives, though

[frank pivot]

Softlock kicks can be difficult to land

I use a lot of softlock vs MTs and stuff

[ripe crow]

Off to face Ibis

[ripe crow]

Almost got it first try, but that was luck. took quite a few more attempts.

taking a break before I have to go after Carla

[serene kettle]

it's definitely a bit tragic - the log earlier in the mission suggests ||Flatwell is actually coming to tell Rusty he can stop pretending to work for Arquebus since Elcano and Furlong are in their corner, and comes in on you fighting. It makes sense that he'd side with Rusty though - Rusty is a known quantity and ally.|| You may or may not be sympathetic to the cause, but you're a paid mercenary.

[wooden nimbus]

||fortunately I'm pretty sure both survive fighting you||

[quasi copper]

https://www.reddit.com/r/armoredcore/comments/17lcgt3/allmind_and_nineball/

[iron quarry]

That man’s pectoral’s are absolutely ridiculous

[ripe crow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/armoredcore/comments/17l7apj/i_did_it_i_finally_did_it/ Secret Rusty Dialog if you kill the juggernaut before Rusty gets orders to leave.

[frank pivot]

When u skip leg day

Tbf that's like the one thing i dislike about hrt, testosterone makes it so easy to work out

You build muscle mass significantly faster and with less reps, which becomes a feedback loop where you can lift more

[distant forge]

oddly satisfying

[dawn stag]

[distant forge]

also discovered the absolutely cursed tech of spamming kicks into LCS into more kicks into LCS

if you time it PERFECTLY then the direct damage window will close right as u land that next LCS shot, putting them right on their way to getting staggered again

[iron quarry]

They might not be beeg but those legs are toned

[ripe crow]

Well, Snailtaus was just as annoying as I thought he was going to be. But no-shop just has Walter left.

[iron quarry]

Waltuh

[frank pivot]

And then you gotta go get that allmussy! You got this

[frank pivot]

What would you think of swapping boosters to buerzel or alula to help catch rats

[river junco]

Hi I just wanted to say that word is illegal in all countries

[ripe crow]

Well, I just got a bunch of parts for my no-shop run. you could call them.. a handler down.

he's not using them anymore, at least...

[frank pivot]

Don't be a cop 😠

[frank pivot]

The next time i stream a run of ac6 i will use this joke and credit you

[ripe crow]

Looking at maybe trying something a little lighter weight this time

At the very least, the laser pistol will clean up the early missions

[frank pivot]

Yeah laser pistol thrashes MTs of all varieties it's great 😄

[eager vector]

insane fashion lmao

[frank pivot]

I think i am just terminally shit at gou chen

Literally everyone else who's done no shop purchases swears by it

And i found it actively detrimental every time i slapped it on

[ripe crow]

It's a stagger punish that's also able to take out clusters of MTs in one shot. I didnt use it for NG+ because I was running the mech I used to take out Ayer, where the moonlight was part of my opening combo. If you're using laser pistol or something else spammable, and have a good stagger punish already, maybe?

[frank pivot]

Hm, yeah that sounds pretty accurate

I was using nebula to clear MTs by one tapping them

[ripe crow]

Hmm. The mid/lightweight I tried running isnt cutting defend the mining ship

The ayer-killer doesnt work either. But... this is where I want Gou. Sawblades are weak to big explosions

and I go from getting slaughtered to winning 1st try avter swapping verts for a hangar gou

In the levels a vert is useful, you miss it, but this is not one

[frank pivot]

I had fun in that one, i think i ran whip and jav alpha and jousted the wheels

[surreal tundra]

Mhm,

[surreal tundra]

Mhm, wonder how practical it actually is for PvE, if not for PvP

[surreal tundra]

the kicks deal damage based on weight right?
I'm not sure how heavy my build is cuz it's all on the ALBA legs- so I guess sub 60k- probs like 55k, but it's enough to one-shot SG MTs, which is fun, and a thing that I think the Schnieder leg version of my dual melee can't get to

[distant forge]

thats a fair point

i just sorta scrapped it because in practice i physically cannot run that kind of build

[distant forge]

here's an interesting one

[frank pivot]

Good taste!

[river junco]

Man I always forget how fuckin huge the Harris is

[frank pivot]

it sometimes clips into the ground lol

[kind halo]

Is that an imperial red sun?

[ripe crow]

So what does this effect have on my mech?

[south oracle]

Less accuracy

[frank pivot]

Yes but idk if you can see the USN decals, it's based on vf-111 sundowners (grandpa was in the squadron)

They're called the Sundowners because they shot down a lot of imperial japanese planes in ww2 lol

Maybe i'll move the USN roundel to the shoulder so it's easier to see

[iron quarry]

Their paint scheme is kinda ballin ngl

[frank pivot]

RIGHT?

[kind halo]

Ahhhh, gotcha
pretty cool

[iron quarry]

Flyin in style homie

[frank pivot]

Heck yeah

I get so many questioms about it being IJN propaganda though

I think i need a new color scheme

[iron quarry]

Orange and navy blue hasn’t failed me yet

[frank pivot]

Yeah but i want to crib another jet paintjob haha

Maybe we go navy again

[iron quarry]

What about the Red Devils paint scheme?

Red highlights with olive drab and grey underbelly

[frank pivot]

Oooh

Oh jk

@iron quarry

You can't not do vfa 103 in a mecha game

[iron quarry]

Fuckin space pirates

The jolly rogers would be cool

[frank pivot]

Maaaaan i should get back into star citizen

I was briefly in the only good piracy org

We had an entire system involving watching market values and estimating trade routes, stalking players by visually spying on their trade terminal interactions, then setting up deep space intercepts

After that, you'd have a craft snare them out of hyperspace, several more would disable the ship, and then shoot off an access hatch

After that, the boarding team would sweep the ship

We did regular practices with one of the top FPS groups where we'd just pick an arbitrary ship and storm it

I miss Mongrel Squad

[iron quarry]

That is the coolest thing I’ve heard today

Imma keep it a buck fiddy

I’d probably be one of your targets

Cuz I would totally be a space trucker

[frank pivot]

if the game ever comes out, give Mongrel Squad a look sometime

https://youtu.be/lthlfpqQr7c?si=XbK0FSiH9VG2gh1u

lmao i remember this one

god damn that was a video and a half, catching a big space trucker streamer lol

[ripe crow]

pyro's in testing, but I'm not in the test.

Looking foward to engineering gameplay, when they finally implement the stuff they've been showing off. (Also the physical damage system, the flight model, ect)

[frank pivot]

fucken hype

honestly i mostly got back into reading about SC when i heard about sq42 being feature complete

wild shit

started work on the vfa-103 stickers

uh ignore the one i have selected, i already made that one haha

[ripe crow]

Seen the citcon videos yet? The (small scale) live demo of replication layer crash protection and dynamic server meshing is not getting the hype it deserves.

[iron quarry]

I really wanna see fromsoft port some of the older AC games to modern consoles

Or just Str8 up remaster some of them

Cuz they said that we would definitely be getting more AC content but never specified whether it would be old or new stuff

And I need more damn it

[frank pivot]

starting work on the one that won't make people think i'm a fascist

lol

[frank pivot]

work continues

[dawn stag]

have you considered ace combat liveries

that's what I did for my first few ACs

[shut sequoia]

I made a silly build I'm calling the BRASS KING

[ripe crow]

challange run idea. NG++, but you sell everything except the jailbreak and the cheapest essentials (weapons are not essential) back to the shop, and OS reset until you have 0 money. No replaying missions for money, only fight each arena opponent once.

[iron quarry]

If I could lend you COAM I would

[stuck surge]

You literally can't sell the starter parts, so you'd be starting at least at Loader 4.

[ripe crow]

Drat

[distant forge]

how do u feel about the shield+hmmr combo?

i have trouble getting used to it

since my main build is just focused on dodging and shooting

with super powerful neutral

[fierce laurel]

bIG tHICCMAN after blowed up spaceport

[distant forge]

https://i.redd.it/ut91urw8hxxb1.gif

[dawn stag]

I'm not sure if I'm disappointed or relieved that it didn't start doing orange justice

[frank pivot]

It's my favorite thing in the entire game

It's so good against everything

Lag zooks? Shield. LCS? Shield. Zimmers? Shield. Kickers? Spaced kick -> whip

It's awesome

But it does take time getting used to. And learning how to land kicks and neutral hits on good gravity kites is the hardest part.

[distant forge]

personally im not a massive fan of it

after playing it for a while

but i also lean way more towards the qb hypermobility side of things

there's only one pair of legs that i find truly enjoyable to use in this game lol

though that kinda just feeds into my biggest complaint about the game, the lack of QB maneuverability/mobility tech

there are lots and lots of lightweight options in the game, but very few of them provide that true like

so fast you're a blur, anthropomorphised fighter jet kind of power fantasy

i suppose you could count the reverse joints as well but they aren't nearly as nimble with their quickboost

i think im trying to pull armored core for answer out of armored core 6 and failing

[cursive agate]

I think they're being more limited with that because of 4A's wackiness, and going around 330 seems to be enough to avoid splash damage of smaller GLs.

[distant forge]

i do think it was a good call to be a little more restrained with the top speeds

i think that trying to play the shield + HMMR build made me realize something about how i like to play

because the shield + hmmr build is kinda micro-heavy, you gotta focus on a lot at once

parrying attacks, the hmmr recharge, kicking the opponent, ur right weapons and their cooldowns, all while sacrificing raw movement power

a lot of my preferred builds eschew all that micro, the shield especially, for pure speed and agility

take all that stimuli that i gotta split my attention around and reduce it to two focal points: moving good and shooting good

when im allowed to focus solely on movement i can get up to some crazy shit

i mean you look at my lightweight tab and they're all some permutation of big speed plus big gun

im sorry im rambling

i think im just bitching that my playstyle isnt meta

[cursive agate]

I've been leaning more into that in PVE with a Bazooka/Melee + 2x Trueno setup, haven't touched PVP any though.

[surreal tundra]

birb

[surreal tundra]

i wan

[distant forge]

im a movement player in most games

[iron quarry]

I just want rifles to be better

I want my scudder to make the enemy shudder

And the poor Ransetsu-AR

[river junco]

They’re still as a category not bad

And the the chengs are god tier

[serene kettle]

Ransetsu-AR mostly just feels bad because it's competing with RF

and RF is, uh.

really powerful

[surreal tundra]

QB spam/strong QBs are just- way too fun lmao

[serene kettle]

I realized today that due to the boosters I was using, QBs actually slow down one of my mechs lol

[surreal tundra]

which booster?

[serene kettle]

uh, the SPD ones

[surreal tundra]

is it faster to spam QBs with a coral gen and the NGI boosters than it is to just AB the whole way?

or like- does one or the other get you further if not necessarily as quickly?

[serene kettle]

AB is almost always going to be more efficent for just going in a straight-ish line somewhere

and probably faster, though that depends on your boosters

[surreal tundra]

it's the NGI, so,

[serene kettle]

I admit to not remembering the exact stats on boosters 😛

[surreal tundra]

fair lmao XD

[frank pivot]

still working on Jolly Roger

i added more black to the center torso to make the yellow pop a little more

idk how i feel about the yellow parts on the legs and weapons, i may replace those with more gray hues

[eager vector]

I think maybe the white needs to be warmer

like eggshell maybe

sadly it’s still a lot less cool than the sundowner, but I’m confident you’ll get there

[frank pivot]

so like more yellowy and redy?

[eager vector]

just slightly I think

and maybe tweak the weathering

you could make the black warmer too

[frank pivot]

this white look better?

or still more

this is with the white enwarmened

and the uh

what did i just tweak

weathering

[eager vector]

It’s subtle but I do think it looks better

makes the yellow fit in more

i would play with it and see whether or not the white looks better even warmer, although you won’t be able to go too far before it starts to become tan

[frank pivot]

should i be favoring red or yellow while i do this?

so far i have only reduced blue

currently pvping a bit before bed

i like this a lot better

also, the decals are weathered i fucking swear

all of them

i guess i just need to make them more fucked up

[eager vector]

Nah the decal weathering looks good

definitely an overall improvement!

[ripe crow]

I'm far enoungh in my shopless run that I'm losing interest. NG++ Chapter 3 is a lot of tedius meh for my proven designs.

[ripe crow]

Worm down, up to chap4

[distant forge]

heres my take on the ball thrower 9000

i find shields awkward to use so i simply opted for more gun and more tank for my ac itself

though i might also make an ultralight version for fun

[dawn stag]

lookin good

[eager vector]

yeah very good paint job

[fierce laurel]

Today is friday in california! Have you shoot G5 Iguazu yet?

[serene kettle]

As a Californian, I’ll do it after work

[river junco]

Iguazu is like if a Pokémon rival was pathetic

[fierce laurel]

||still perplexed about Allmind picking Iguazu to be her pilot brain guy. I would have gone with at least Deadsled||

[stuck surge]

||I presume it's because Iguazu hates 621 the most and fighting 621 was the task at hand.||

[chrome bronze]

He’s silver

Though at least Iguazu doesn’t blame his mech

[fierce laurel]

||plenty of people probably hate 621 by that point but Iguazu was probably the easiest to peel away from a corp and most focused, I could see that||

[ripe crow]

||Liberator ending suggests more than half of rubicon thinks 621 walks on water by that point.||

"The wall climber, the worm killer!"

Incidently, reading the arena analysis entries, I'm pretty sure ||621 is the Thrid Factor, but who are First and Second?||

[ripe crow]

Redshift Aquired

ENFORCER went down on the first try, though it was a bit close.

there's no Ibis on NG++, so the remaining challanges are snail and Allmind, unless I'm forgetting something.

[river junco]

||p sure it’s iguazu an o’keefe||

[ripe crow]

Last loghunt part aquired.

[ripe crow]

...and the last found parts are aquired. All parts available to a non-shop run have now been aquired. All missions except for NG++Final Mission have been completed.

Also, I finally have a shield to put on my right shoulder. :p

[ripe crow]

Run... complete

Final proof:

Selling everything that can be sold, I'm left with the three starting weapons, the starting booster, generator, and FCS, and frame parts for Jailbreak, Melander C3, and the C-2000 series starting frame.

If I did OS tuning reset 250 times, I could reset my money to zero, after having sold everything I can. It doesnt sound worth it, but it's an option

[midnight pine]

if the cut dialogue is to be believed its literally because ||iguazu is so fucking mad that his Hater Brain Waves act as an energy source similar to coral and thats also how he overpowers ALLMIND||

||hes is the most powerful soul on rubicon through PURE spite||

[frank pivot]

Consider manually moving your save files

And just make a fresh start idk

[ripe crow]

Fresh start would reset mission and loghunt rewards. I want those in the shop with everything else.

[halcyon gull]

so wait why are you resetting money?

[ripe crow]

The original plan was a game with just jailbreak/starter parts, mission money, and what you can get from the shop, and see if you can buy your way out of the hole before the missions get too hard. First mission with just fists. Unfortunately, you cant sell starter gear.

[halcyon gull]

you can still do the jailbreak part, just...have to acknowledge that you have those parts and don't use them.

[ripe crow]

I mean, as soon as you buy a new core, new legs, new arms, and new head, that doesnt matter.

[halcyon gull]

So what is the "finished" state?
When you can say that it has been done

[ripe crow]

it's easy enough to say "finish the game once", like most "start on NG++" challanges.

[halcyon gull]

But isn't it closer to when you fully have a new core machine, that's when it's done?

[ripe crow]

probably. When you have a build you like that will take you through endgame. But at that point, actually take it through endgame.

meh.

[halcyon gull]

Then make it a speed run. See how fast you can go from broke to Not.

[ripe crow]

How do you define "not broke"? People have already done Jailbreak runs

[halcyon gull]

You have set rules.
Go from jailbreak to not jailbreak.

you can make it so that the end build is pre-defined, two arm weapons, two shoulder weapons, ETC ETC, and that is the "win" condition.

Once you do that, challenge done.
Going and beating the game after that point is very much a normal run, I'll be honest.

[ripe crow]

I think I prefer "A build that can beat snailtaus or Ayer, as shown by beating the game."

[halcyon gull]

yeah, a pre-defined build.

[ripe crow]

I would not be able to win with one of Compassrose's lightweight builds, and I think she would die if she had to pilot one of my heavyweights.

[halcyon gull]

If the build can beat the game, then it's already "technically" done so.
The challenge from the way you've described it is how fast you can go from not having anything to having the parts needed to beat the game.

[ripe crow]

People have already done Jailbreak runs, so... buy 3 weapon speedrun? eyeroll

I dont know, the idea has lost it's allure.

[halcyon gull]

Hey look I'm trying to help you get a reason to do it, If you've already shelfed it, then not much to be done.

[ripe crow]

Counting the Sranking as a run, as well as each final boss proper, I've now "beaten" AC6 7 times. I think I'll take a break. Tunic or Factorio, or something.

Ayer, Walter, allmind, Sranks, Noshop run Ayer, Walter, Allmind.

[halcyon gull]

good idea probably

[frank pivot]

Should i swap the lra for a hu-ben

For maximum fighter jet larp?

[ripe crow]

No shop run complete. proof posted above.

NG- was when most of the challange was.

[frank pivot]

Nice!!!!!

Drones, sneedle, jav alpha, moonlight? I like it

[ripe crow]

Redshift blade, but yea

Tried running the coral shield for the allmind fightm but I needed just a bit more firepower.

[frank pivot]

Yeah, i wish you got coral shield earlier

I went through each NG cycle in like 2-3 hours i think, so i was pretty practiced on my build by the end of ng++ and just didn't want to optimize it for 2 missions

That's hype as heck tho

Congrats on no shop purchases!!!

[surreal tundra]

A combo I found works quite fun if it all connects, cuz the cooldowns kinda align-

Oscillator - C1 Redshift Nebula - Pulse Blade - C1 Redshift Nebula,
And then it loops back again, the cooldowns are so close you can kinda keep going

I packed a Laser Drone cuz why not and I'm obsessed with it, used the Ocellus more for RP and cuz I'll be up close with BASHO arms anyways,

[surreal tundra]

I also just realised that setup can come out even on no-shop runs lmao

[frank pivot]

Minus Basho sadly

Cuz basho is shop only

[surreal tundra]

Yeah, a darn shame, but on the other hand-
The cooldowns are the same, and melee spec doesn't change the stagger inflicted, does it?

[frank pivot]

Melee spec thankfully has no influence on stagger yeah! 😄

[surreal tundra]

Yeeee

Cuz the coral oscillator+C1 RedshiftNebula does a lot of stagger, and the Pulse blade finishes off the bar if you pull it out quick enough- your right back can go then, or you kick, or just get the redshift charged up again to fire

[surreal tundra]

*if it's not staggered already

26 charged shots isn't too bad next to the Wuerger's 22, I think,

Just that most of your mob/MT small fry clearing is gonna be kicks and potentially your back weapon- and the Pulse blade, and well angled Coral Oscillator beams if you can afford it

A bit of a pain is gonna be that if your target is staggered by the pulse blade, there's a chance you can't fit in the next Coral Oscillator swing during the stagger cuz the charged Redshift might need a fraction of a sec longer to actually fire than the wuergers, I think, a

[distant forge]

what kinda right side weapons do you run for ur HMMR shield builds?

i ran linear rifle and bullet orbit but it just felt, bad

[frank pivot]

missiles

so the idea is you rat with the missiles or just spam them in cqc

anything heavier, you can usually outrat

anything lighter and you beat it up

[river junco]

I feel like needle might be good if you want something to build stagger

[frank pivot]

the needle is quite hard to land in pvp

the beep and middling projectile speed make it easy to shield or dodge imo

[river junco]

Oh I meant the pistol

Sorry

[frank pivot]

oh yeah! like viento + huxley?

[river junco]

Yeah the launcher is only really for the move when they’ve just been staggered and can’t move

[frank pivot]

that definitely builds stagger

[river junco]

+moment

Yeah Viento!

I know the Huxley is objectively better for building stagger but the truenos always feel right to pair with the viento

Given the names it’s probably intentional

[surreal tundra]

Wheee~
Nebula Redshift is fun,

[surreal tundra]

Dangit, almost took down C4 boss with the build for an S-rank- made some crucial mistakes, but frankly I'm okay with not getting it, cuz I just wanna do the whole mission with the build before I take on the last areas

[surreal tundra]

Cleared, huh, the Coral Oscillator seems to catch her a bit easier

[surreal tundra]

this is my fave build so far for vanilla lmao, at least for melee-sided stuff

[sharp canopy]

I've been running a lot of fights against ALLMIND, and I've noticed that EN weapon builds generally do better

like purely dedicated EN builds

[frank pivot]

It's a lot of hp to burn through

EN weapons have more damage usually but worse stagger so yeah, totally makes sense to me!!

Also i finally found a chestpiece the Alba legs look good with! Mind Alpha!

[hardy marsh]

huh, I wonder if bosses have specific dmg type defenses.

[cursive agate]

Enemy ACs definitely do, and I've heard Sea Spider had pretty heavy Energy reistance pre-nerf, though it still has more Energy resist than other types.

[hardy marsh]

hmmm....

[frank pivot]

They do yes

RRI units strongly resist energy attacks, are mid towards kinetic, and have extremely poor explosive defense

This is why bazookas and missiles annihilate Defend the Mining Ship

[hardy marsh]

thats so silly

...now i'm realizing why I blazed through those segments
^ ran a full explosive build

[surreal tundra]

mlep

okay, burned through like 12 runs, finished the 12th one just yesterday...

I guess I could go for a set of 3 for a no-shop?*

*welp, after exams I'll get to it

[shut sequoia]

I think this build is finally where I want it, the angel of Rubicon

[ripe crow]

Honestly, only NG- is a real challange. If you want to press on to NG+Volta/Igasu, that's not too far out of the way, but you're pretty much final build by that point.

[surreal tundra]

Yeah, I feel that tracks

I just cleared Wallclimber,

I guess this time around I'll be seeing more of the boss phases lmao

[surreal tundra]

Basically going until NG++

[stuck surge]

They're the only two weapons Elcano makes, right?

[wooden nimbus]

Yeah

They have a really limited selection but they worked hard on it

[sharp canopy]

S-ranking the Karman Line mission makes you feel like a fucking warrior, goddamn

I think I'm also only a few missions away from having S-Ranked all of AC6

[long zodiac]

Karman line mission makes you feel like a warrior regardless, geniunely might be my fav set piece, tied with arena for liberator ending

[sharp canopy]

I'm just speedrunning S-ranks, so I have a funny thing I did now, and that was mistakenly nuking Middle Flatwell and Rusty with Earshots and a pile bunker on a mech that was just Oops, All Melander!

[frank pivot]

still tweaking the look

[distant forge]

https://fxtwitter.com/blindmech/status/1721211719152750675?s=20

[sharp canopy]

what criteria do you have to meet in order to S-Rank Ice Worm?

I keep getting A-Rank, and this is the only mission I have yet to S-Rank

[eager vector]

fast

[sharp canopy]

oh, well crap

I should probably practice then

[dawn stag]

phase 1 and 2 have scripted openings for you to shoot it

[eager vector]

study video of S ranks. It’s all about being in the right position at the right time

[dawn stag]

there's one at the start after it wheels around when first surfacing, and one in phase 2 when rusty says hell on four legs

[sharp canopy]

ohhhhhh

okay, that makes so much more sense

[dawn stag]

phase 3 you gotta just wing it but if you hit the 2 scripted openings you should have a pretty generous margin

[sharp canopy]

also keeping ammo costs shouldn't be too hard when I'm only running 2 V60SNAs and a pile bunker right?

[eager vector]

right

[ripe crow]

If you boost to the rocks in front of you at the start, then turn about 60 degrees to the right, there's a building. I put the corner of my stagger bar on the corner of that building, and the worm will slide across the radar, and you get 2 alert beeps- you need to fire sometime between those beeps (exactly when depends on the exact place you are standing) for the worm to leap up and swallow the stun needle shot. If you miss it, you can restart, and be back in less than 10 seconds.

Phase 2 is much more consistant- it will rise twice on the horizon, and once right in front of you.

[cursive agate]

time and damage taken hurt much more than ammo cost for S rank

[quasi copper]

https://www.reddit.com/r/umineko/comments/166phgv/die_the_death_sentence_to_death_great_equalizer/
just realized there's a cherry red energy sword in this game but reddit already got ahead of me

[distant forge]

i feel like this is an armored core post

if you replace puppy dog with coral

[dawn stag]

621, the vascular plant

[frank pivot]

making webms is annoying

BUT i got to beat up a youtuber with a crappy cosplay build haha

[lethal flame]

Is that... a Samus mech paintjob?

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

[frank pivot]

and it's called Samus Aran haha

and that's the samus emblem

[ripe crow]

The default orange colorscheme is a dead ringer for Varia suit, anyway.

[frank pivot]

yeah 😄 obviously that was my starting basis

[modern hornet]

So, kinda goes against my usual design philosophy of making an AC that can take a good punch, but I always find myself enjoying using the Firmeza arms. They're basically just a better Tool Arm in every way that counts with only a small dip in AP.

[frank pivot]

That's how it starts

[distant forge]

soon you'll be dropping every possible kilogram

[frank pivot]

Before you know it you'll be running Nacht arms, then Alba (then go back to nacht when you can for the firearm spec)

[distant forge]

arms are too heavy, get rid of 'em

legs too for that matter

[frank pivot]

Eventually you'll ascend to Basho whip

[distant forge]

honestly the whip is take it or leave it for me

i prefer dual LCS for the range and flexibility, but i also realize as im saying this that the whip does similar damage as a dual LCS double-combo for a fraction of the build investment

while also being able to mount a shield

i mean, shields are for pussies, and whip + shield is too much brain power required for me, but, i cant deny the power

[frank pivot]

The build compression was the big draw for me

I am really enjoying the freedom to mount literally whatever on the right side of the mech and still have fun

Even if doubling down on missiles is "optimal"

[distant forge]

i dont really shield but i do enjoy the whip as a crazy close range punish

plus that means i can be a fuckin bastard and run dual viento + whip + vpm

[frank pivot]

XD

[distant forge]

ive been trying to find like, a gundam-style build

general purpose like, rifle and melee style build

and this seems like a promising example

[frank pivot]

It is!

In campaign i looooove this

VE-20C + WLT + LRA is actually very enjoyable to blast MTs with

50 long range tracking is enough to blap things and abuse the freakishly high effective range of the LRA's standard fire

It's like 360m or something silly?

[distant forge]

the only shitty thing about the LRA is its got the worst ammo economy out of all the laser rifles

[frank pivot]

Yeah. But honestly 90 rounds is enough for michigain's funhouse

Especially combined with spreading out plasma missiles 😄

[distant forge]

true

my rifle of choice has always been the harris

[frank pivot]

Harris is so COOL

It looks WAY better than lra

[distant forge]

since i usually have no shortage of punish options, my main thing is i gotta build stagger

[frank pivot]

I wish it could 1-2 tap MTs like lra

Ah gotcha

[distant forge]

dual harris is kinda mid for pvp but for pve its like

the Optimal braindead mt-clearing, boss-staggering, game-trivializing weapon combo

out of range? who cares! dual harris into dual LCS. eat shit.

i also wish it could oneshot MTs

my favorite melee has always been the moonlights though,

[frank pivot]

Oh yeah i have been thinking about swapping my campaign build to red moonlight instead of whip 😄

It just doesn't have the impact i want. I also really like the starter pulse blade

But that might just be stockholm syndrome from all my loader 4 runs

[distant forge]

they arent amazing impact-wise but they occupy this weird middle ground between melee and ranged that i find interesting

as someone who doesnt really like traditional up-close melee stuff, the moonlight has always been my pick

[frank pivot]

One thing's for sure, i am finding it harder and harder to NOT use basho arms

They're so light and low en load for SO much goodness

The bad firearm spec is honestly not something i notice often

[distant forge]

if you're in close range with the ocellus it doesnt matter as much

but ive definitely felt it with guns like the harris

[frank pivot]

I would like to see some melee spec buffs

[distant forge]

where you have to land that one charge shot

[frank pivot]

Ah, i often kick -> harris

Moreso than pop it off in neutral

[distant forge]

pretty much only the majestic can shit out that much stagger from range

so its got utility as a ranged impact dealer

ironically the majestic is better at it because of the proximity det but like

we dont talk about the majestic in this house

but yeah, kick > harris is probably the best way to do it, my main rebuttlal is that landing a kick is easier said than done lol

i suppose im gonna have to get really good at it if i want to get anywhere in the tourney scene but like, still

[modern hornet]

<- Generally mains a Basho Flamer-Whip Tetrapod

Crack the enemy’s ACS defense then whip ‘em good without having to stop moving because “Sorry, I can’t hear you over the sound of my HOVERING!”

[frank pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/sickos-sicko-haha-yes-creeper-gif-25057805

Oh i discovered my surface-of-the-sun mech take

Main character gundams are all ugly

Besides aerial

Actually no

Even aerial is kinda ugg

[distant forge]

isnt that like

every gundam

why even gundam at that point

[frank pivot]

Idk wfm was the only one i watched

[distant forge]

for what its worth witch from mercury is pretty out there in its gundam designs

[frank pivot]

oh like i love pharact

and the uh

one of the grunt suits

gundam has many banger designs, i just don't think the MC ones are all that good

aerial rebuild is pretty swag

oh i mixed it up with Calibarn

Calibarn is dope

[eager vector]

This is the best design in gundam https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/gundam/images/7/7b/ReviveZeon_-_G-3.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20111216133358

[surreal tundra]

Cali is adorable, yes

[frank pivot]

i finally made a ve-20b build i actually like

won a few rounds of pvp

i am still considering swapping the arms to bashos

but you basically have all the same rat tools as a rat knight, and about the same AB speed

so you can just play a normal midrange laser kiter / dps racer, and rat against heavier builds

you lack a shield so you kind of eat shit against cqc builds tho

[serene kettle]

What exactly does it mean to “rat”?

[south oracle]

oh huh a new update just dropped

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1888160?emclan=103582791472836796&emgid=3807290673827434391

JAMMING BOMB LAUNCHER “MA-T-223 KYORIKU”: decreased Charge Time
STUN BOMB LAUNCHER “WS-1200 THERAPIST”: increased Attack Power / Total Rounds, decreased Charge Time. Stabilized shock damage by shortening intervals between damage procs, and adjusted system abnormality build-up```

yoooo

gonna try them out again

MULTI ENERGY RIFLE “44-142 KRSV”: increased Total Rounds. Adjusted Ammunition Cost and ammunition spent from a charge attack in accordance with increased Total Rounds

PLASMA MISSILE LAUNCHER “Vvc-706PM”: decreased Weight / EN Load```

It's not even needed but I'm happy for it

REVERSE JOINT “06-042 MIND BETA”: increased Attitude Stability, decreased Weight
REVERSE JOINT “RC-2000 SPRING CHICKEN”: increased AP / Anti-Kinetic Defense / Anti-Energy Defense / Anti-Explosive Defense / Load Limit```

REVERSE JOINT EATING GOOD

[cursive agate]

melee, and arm buffs are nice for variety too

[south oracle]

SPREAD BAZOOKA “SB-033M MORLEY”: increased Total Rounds, decreased Weight

yayyyyyy

[ripe crow]

Instructions unclear, bring tank leg AP/Aditude stability mix with Ransetsus and vert missiles to multiplayer.

[distant forge]

FUCK YEAH

[wooden nimbus]

Struggling to do a postgame video because I was goofy and spent 48 seconds avoiding the other player before the fight started

[sharp canopy]

the EPHEMERA core made some very ridiculous lightweight nuke builds possible for me

I only just now found it

[wooden nimbus]

It's a good core

I am still HALmode 90% of the time but I do dig it

[sharp canopy]

I don't know why but calling it "HALal mode" and stungunning ALLMIND to death suddenly seems cackleworthy

very halal mode

[wooden nimbus]

Amazing

Stolen

[south oracle]

okay, finally checking the ingame stat

holy crap, the spread bazooka is now lighter than earshot!

from 8000 to 6500

jeez

now I actually have a reason to use it!

oh nice, the karasaw went from 80 shots to 160

now that's usable or normal things!

[distant forge]

just tried michigan's wild ride with just the sawa

i was able to get thru most of the MTs

[south oracle]

nice

the melander c3 arm getting even less weight is weird though, not sure if that's need but I guess it gives a niche

[distant forge]

main verdict on the sawa: you get 160 normal shots or 8 fully charged shots

thats a lot better than before, hopefully that means its better in pve

[cursive agate]

Lets it compete better with the high Firearm Spec arms, especially with it's low load capacity, and 100-ish Melee Spec.

[ripe crow]

Dual wield hangar karasawas, with only one in hand at a time so you dont go over the arm weight limit

[keen hedge]

A lot of the arm changes feel like 'We get it, the BASHOs are strong, try these other toys'

[halcyon gull]

basho were at like 150 for melee stuff right?

[stuck surge]

I always got the feeling that they made the BASHO arms' weight too low and nobody caught it

[keen hedge]

They look so dense and steely, it did seem odd

[eager vector]

I was hoping that would be the case but the buffs were so so small

[keen hedge]

aw dang, was tricked by vague notes

[eager vector]

yupppp I got my hopes up

[keen hedge]

at least melee spec is flat bonus, so even little number's'll do something

[frank pivot]

Ratting is when you have high assault boost speed, shoot missiles, run away, repeat

It's actually pretty strict on the build requirements; you NEED san tai and you NEED buerzel, or else you'll get caught by people running that combo

[frank pivot]

158, nuts

[frank pivot]

Ow The Edge

[keen hedge]

Gaming Mouse Mech

[frank pivot]

i also made this abomination

about 4500 en regen rate on san tai

1890 stability

80000 weight

so it's pretty good at catching rats and kites

it's a little low stability but abusing the RJ hitbox is hilarious

[distant forge]

the fuck is that thing

[cursive agate]

Mostly makes the heavy arms less terrible for melee damage output, though VP-46A (medium) is hitting like the VP-46S (light) without the Firearm Spec boost.

[karmic galleon]

Currently doing a run where I (roughly) mirror builds whenever there is an enemy AC and how the hell does ||Iguazu|| do it?

[dusky lily]

He does not

That's the joke

[karmic galleon]

He literally does though? ||he makes it down to institute city independantly||

[wraith pendant]

this is the most recent screen I have of my build, although I know I changed some stuff based on feedback I got from this

[dusky lily]

Okay yes but he's mostly a joke, for most of the game.

[wraith pendant]

I swapped out the laser knife for that energy lance ram thingy you get and it's so much fun to just one two wombo combo someone with your big blue melees

just 'oh would you look at that, an enemy that thinks they're out of my effective range!

think again.'

[dusky lily]

Same, love that lance.

[shut sequoia]

love the Curtis LR, but you're losing out on some damage with your blades using the Nacht arms

[karmic galleon]

personally I prefer the big Bunker but yeah the lance is fun

[wraith pendant]

yeah that's one of the things I switched

swapped to the basho arms IIRC

[dusky lily]

But they look better than the stupid box arms with 150 melee

[white basalt]

oh yeah they buffed the arms?

[wraith pendant]

I believe I'm also running a gou-chen on my right arm atm

[white basalt]

I should look into them

[shut sequoia]

I like the Firmeza arms for their bonuses

[wraith pendant]

I paid for the whole EM capacity, I'm gonna use the whole EM cap

[karmic galleon]

Spare EM bar I've found to be really good for your energy management

[dusky lily]

You always use the whole EM cap tho, the difference between what you use and the max gets added to....
fuck I forget what stat

[shut sequoia]

efficiency

[dusky lily]

Yeah that.

[shut sequoia]

if you leave a bigger gap your power comes back faster when your generator does start recharging

so for builds I want to stay flying I try to leave a large gap

[karmic galleon]

yeah I've found making sure there's a decent gap to be super helpful as well

[shut sequoia]

I enjoy the idea of putting a really big powerplant in a really light mech

[karmic galleon]

though my current mainstay build does that a bit less than maybe I should. When I want the extra speed I generally trade down to a medium size missile launcher

Duckettes my beloved

[dusky lily]

I haven't tried them since they were buffed, I should do that

[karmic galleon]

yeah since the buff I've never run out of ammo with them

[shut sequoia]

tbh the low total ammo was what made me try the laser pistols

[karmic galleon]

oh rip I've never used the las pistols outside that tutorial

[shut sequoia]

they're fun, as long as you pace yourself on the trigger you never have to reload or pause to cool down

[dusky lily]

Lasers are very neat, once you figure out the rhythm to keep pressure.

[shut sequoia]

low stagger but they benefit from energy firearm spec so you can juice the damage

just have missiles or another weapon to deal ACS strain and pew pew everything to death

the only guys that gave me real issues when running two of them were Snail and King/Chartreuse because they shrug off energy damage

[south oracle]

used the new napalm bomb launcher, I still can't tell if it's effective or not, but enemies sure get staggered faster than usual if you hit them right

[dim maple]

Oh nice, I wanted to try the bomb launchers back on launch and they just felt terrible so seeing any buffs their way is good.

[river junco]

Oh is there a new balance patch?

[serene kettle]

Yeah dropped a couple days ago

[river junco]

1.05 i assume?

Oh nevermind

.4.1

Woah did

Did spring chicken really need this big a buff

[eager vector]

586 AS

that number may be old

still crazy low though

[frank pivot]

Behold

It's a light that does almost 370 while hitting almost 2k attitude stability

[frank pivot]

This is another excellent light mech

1760 stability, incredible speed and buerzel to chase down literally anything

[river junco]

Oh hey

https://open.spotify.com/album/285hYSwwIdwcxSgUMkcTmI?si=Lx7Hdw93QwiK0rzunw4ESg

In case y’all didn’t know

[halcyon gull]

who the hell is the trashbag.

[river junco]

Carla

[halcyon gull]

Ayre, trash bag(??), Snail, Igazu, G1 Michigan, Elf whose name I Forgot

[stuck surge]

621

[cursive agate]

It was pretty close to Mind Beta legs before, and is quite a lot bulkier in terms of size.

[ripe crow]

So it's a "proper" heavyweight leg now?

Do Tetrapods even have a lightweight option?

[cursive agate]

Not really, and I guess because it would step on Biped/light tank territory too much

[ripe crow]

...I keep looking at the Ling Tai and wondering what builds cound use it.

[quasi copper]

who's Frieren supposed to represent

[stuck surge]

One thing that really annoys me in AC6 is that there's no way to QB down

[ripe crow]

Closest thing is the all-stop drop

[river junco]

Which you can admittedly do some funny jukes with

I imagine you can juke the coral rifle full charge and it’s it

*with it

[ripe crow]

Rate my trash fire. messing around with the Ling Tai+ a high EN recovery core.

Main Dish is best for fast recovery, but HAL is runner up (or close) and also has better EN cap boost.

I beat Freud with it first try, but not with the kind of margin that is apparently standard.

Main issue is actually equipping 4 weapons with the poor en cap.

Going spring chicken+shoulderpads, I theroretically have a good stagger punish in my kick.

I should probably stick to biped legs, though, because of grounded en recovery vs RJ QB hops.

[cursive agate]

Relatively sure the Ling-Tai generator wants a core that boost EN Output a lot more than Supply Recovery.

[ripe crow]

Am I misreading the help page? It sounded like Supply Recovery reduces the delay between when you QB and when you start to recover en. The idea was to get it down low enough for infini-boost.

[cursive agate]

QB seems to add a delay on top of the EN Recharge Delay time, and the low leftover EN is hurting your EN Recharge rate.

[river junco]

man bad cook is

actually really slept on

you can basically just pretend the stagger mechanic doesn't exist, it does perfetly serviceable damage without it

[cursive agate]

1x Bad Cook is really funny for softening heavier builds, I've paired it with Laser Cannons to eat through heavy tank setups.

[river junco]

dual bad cooks kinda just melts any boss in the game

[cursive agate]

The low Impact notably makes Bad Cook near-useless against pulse shields though

[river junco]

oh yeah its bad against those bosses specifically

[ripe crow]

I had a silly idea for Bad cook plus jamming launcher.

havmt tried it.

[frank pivot]

At launch i was running a heavy with 2 flamethrowers and a coral shield with VPM. Hilarious build.

Literally would assault boost into their face and damage race

[ripe crow]

Has more trouble with Volta than Freud.

[frank pivot]

Every build ever 😂

Volta is like, the demonstration of how busted tank treads are

[south oracle]

bad cook is good cook, unironically

[frank pivot]

I wish it was top tier in pvp

It can't stagger and requires sustained eye contact

So it auto loses to anything that wins the stagger race

Particularly burst stagger builds

[distant forge]

Thinking about some build combining pulse scutum and tank treads for infinite chonk

Unsure what weapons I'd use to take advantage of the scutum

[quasi copper]

Bad Cook but unironically

[serene kettle]

Bad Cook unironically gives me problems because I can’t see lmao

[frank pivot]

If you go to the dark side of making a superheavy stat check build, you'll get ratted

[ripe crow]

How does coral beam work against long range rats? I havnt used it before, but I would have thought manual aim could catch people at a distance.

[frank pivot]

i have yet to see the manual aim nail people. The problem with fighting a ratting player is that they don't stop moving

san tai with 4-5k en efficiency has about a 1.5-2s downtime on the ground

and it moves between 500 and 600 nonstop between every downtime.

anda GOOD rat will reduce the grounded downtime to virtually nothing by reserving a bit of energy at the end of their runaway

[distant forge]

this isnt pvp focused i just really like the dual harris combo

[distant forge]

im surprised such a light frame can fit all this!

[shut sequoia]

yeah the Firmeza legs are rly good

why the WLT 001?

[distant forge]

the harris has one big shot with no proxy det like the Majestic, so i wanna make sure it has as much help as it can get in midrange targeting

missing that charge shot is soul-crushing

[stuck surge]

With the KASUAR legs, your speed spikes up over 1000 during a grounded quick boost

If your AC is light enough

[serene kettle]

fast

[stuck surge]

With the KASUARs you can also cover ground really quickly for zero charge cost by moving in a string of long jumps

[frank pivot]

Ngi is black magic

So little weight for so much output and capacity

[south oracle]

the firmeza leg can also carry a ton

[karmic galleon]

huh, never connected that's why high impact/s weapons like handguns and rocket launchers shred shields

[cursive agate]

I heard mentions of Impact affecting shield damage before, but it's extremely obvious when using Bad Cooks on boss type pulse armor

[south oracle]

is impact like another stat or something?

I usually only remember things like damage, and direct hit stuff

[cursive agate]

Yepyep, Impact affects stagger meter buildup/damage to pulse armor. Accumulative Impact takes much longer to wear off, and is usually less than upfront Impact.

[south oracle]

oh right, impact is how much a weapon stagger

[frank pivot]

gen 5 ac cosplay 😄

still not sure what all weapons to use

[eager vector]

gotta be tian-qiang legs for gen 5 cosplay

[serene kettle]

bona dea dunes for the photo is a nice touch lmao

gen 5 was definitely a bit...brown and gray

[frank pivot]

Really? They didn't seem to have the B U L K

[fierce laurel]

Today is Friday in California! Post shooting Iguazu!

[distant forge]

hold on lemme go kick his ass

[eager vector]

ACV legs are all about big thighs

[distant forge]

volta was a bitch to kill as always

[eager vector]

what was the origin of this meme again??

[fierce laurel]

https://youtu.be/9WaYCdQ8FOQ?si=Xu91ybLXeKNm4dt3 the guy who says 'huh?' is Iguazu's VA

[eager vector]

why does Volta only stay still after a stagger for like a split second

[cursive agate]

I think NPC ACs all have like 0.5 sec recovery after getting hit in stagger stun, is painfully apparent with Volta because it would normally last a lot longer.

[eager vector]

motherfucker just dodged an uncharged pile bunker immediately after a stun

I need to learn more about stun duration and how it varies based on what you use to inflict the stun

[frank pivot]

This is why whip is cracked as a stagger punish in both pvp and pve

Single hit whip on a staggered enemy gives you enough time to do patently silly things like swap to dagger and do 5000 damage

[distant forge]

absoltuely ADDICTED to the build of just, vientos and anything

[fierce laurel]

that deliciously psychadelic paint scheme makes me want to make a mushroom wizard decal to slap on the side of a tank-tread AC - be the assault boosting wizard van

[wooden nimbus]

I like how the Nacht torso makes you look like a terrible little goblin

[stuck surge]

Form follows function

[distant forge]

here's a guy

in a departure from every other build i use this uses san-tai

RJs make up for the buerezel's shitty QB and the nasty kick helps a lot with securing staggers

plus i just havent used the HAL core like, ever

[fierce laurel]

whats that on left shoulder?

[distant forge]

ill do ya one better heres the whole thing

[fierce laurel]

Intriguing for a close in brawler. Reminds me I need to go get the Mind Beta head

[quasi copper]

Mind Beta is a stupidly stable head

[distant forge]

the stability could def be better but i wanted to get a good AB speed as well

[frank pivot]

Ratknight but shotgun is a sick build, excellent choice. Could prolly use more stability for pvp tho

[distant forge]

the more reasonable choice would be the big arquebus chestpiece

[frank pivot]

I like tian-qiang cuz its light ish for how much stab it gives

Arquebutts chest is great too

Also i think mind beta leg set has more stab than the spring chickens now?

[eager vector]

this is kinda like the bisexual lightning

[hollow ridge]

i wish there was a kasuar core and arms part

[sharp canopy]

you reckon Balteus was an AC designed by the PCA?

I mean, with a funny torture-everyone-around-you device on top but yeah

[ripe crow]

More like HC, but yea

[sharp canopy]

I guess, though its' body plan appears to be modular

[quasi copper]

the PCA has a whole thing for building stuff that goes on their MTs

Balteus, Cataphract, I think there's one more?

[ripe crow]

High mobility LCs probably count.

since it's an extra jetpack

[quasi copper]

probably yeah

and the Heavy Weapons LCs

[eager vector]

mobile armor ass

[ripe crow]

People keep asking for Weapon Arms. I Want Mobile Armor back parts.

[halcyon gull]

I have been playing DxM and man having weapon arms is fun, but I MISS THE KICK AND ASSAULT BOOST

[sharp canopy]

I just beat all three top mercenaries with Junkyard frame parts, two Furlong 4-cells, and two Chang-Chens (45rd SMGs)

also for some reason it looks like the old armored core bunnyhop can be used to your advantage in 6, I thought that was weird

[surreal tundra]

Hm, was the thing inside the size of an AC or was it larger?

[sharp canopy]

I can kill it rq and get a photo for scale

*using C4-621's loader parts alongside some fancypants weapons because I'm lazy

looks like a slightly taller AC

actually I can see it being an autonomous HC

[fierce laurel]

The hardest mission thus far to S rank for me was Escort The Mining Ship and after 7 tries I finally made this and got it

The enemies move so fast so much that it's ridic to track them, it's easiest to just wait for the one second they slow down enough to alpha strike them with three gd cannons at once

[serene kettle]

I just blitzed it with missiles myself, in Queen of Nails' early days

I think I S-ranked that one by accident just testing a new configuration

the one that took me the most attempts to S-rank (or at least the one that took the the most attempts where I didn't die) was BAWS arsenal

[cursive agate]

It throws off the prediction/leading system of AC6's targeting, since you're moving in an arc.

[fierce laurel]

I discovered that on accident but not by bunny hopping, instead I was just sliding left to right to left and noticed no MT could touch me while doing that

[stuck surge]

Missiles make Escort the Mining Ship vastly easier, which was fortunate for me, the missile spammer.

[sharp canopy]

Ice Worm's giving me hell as of late, since I can't seem to get past an A-Rank

It goes against my style of just... nuking stuff with ransetsus and spite

I mean insert ludlows, Ducketts, and anything else that isn't a Hu-Ben or Zimmerman, Haldeman or Sweet Sixteen

[ripe crow]

can you even S rank taking down the worm without a stun needle launcher? It didnt feel that hard to S rank if you nail the first two phases with the needle.

[serene kettle]

Ice Worm S-rank is almost entirely about positioning, though yeah the needle is highly recommended

[cursive agate]

For me, Ice worm S rank was about landing stun needle shots where possible (speedrun shots in some cases) to break its shield ASAP. Used light tank legs to tear across the level faster without stopping.

[stuck surge]

The needle has some kind of hard-coded effect against the Ice Worm, right?

[cursive agate]

yep, breaks the shield phase in 1 hit ||until part 3||

[frank pivot]

streamed ch1 and ch2 of manual aim only, no missiles today

lmao

i have been enjoying this

[ripe crow]

https://vxtwitter.com/k88comet/status/1723508682435219683

[halcyon gull]

this made me giggle too much and knocked any thoughts I had out.

[eager vector]

Basho with no melee?

I guess the firearm spec doesn’t matter

[frank pivot]

it's a laser blade on the left arm, but yeah 😄

very lightweight and incredibly stat dense

[eager vector]

oh lmao I thought it was the ludlow at a glance??

[frank pivot]

i could see it xD

[frank pivot]

We need an AC head with cat ears

[sharp canopy]

Technically, Steel Haze Ortus

[swift nacelle]

Ephemera too

[distant forge]

ephemera absolutely

because ayre

is a catgirl

[swift nacelle]

You said catgirl twice

[distant forge]

true

[analog spoke]

Look it is very important that we acknowledge a certain ||malware headmate we all love|| uses the Ephemera catgirl head.

[frank pivot]

Ephemera is a cat head??

It looks like a bug to me lmao

[frank pivot]

I can dig this

[frank pivot]

this build blatantly abuses the "charge weapon oscillator tracking increase" bug but

my god is it fun

[serene kettle]

wait, what bug

[distant forge]

charge any shoulder weapon, use oscillator sweeping attack

boom, oscillator aimbot v2.0

[serene kettle]

spicy

[surreal tundra]

Wait what

[distant forge]

yeah

im pretty sure it was a thing even before, during the tetrapod coral oscillator tracking exploit

for whatever reason charging a shoulder weapon makes the oscillator charge attack have ridiculous tracking

[surreal tundra]

Huh,

Charging as in non-missile/not-the-laser-drone back weapons like the laser cannon and plasma cannon?

[distant forge]

i think so

laser drones can charge tho

any weapon u can hold to charge should work i think

[serene kettle]

So what I'm hearing is Redfin was nerfed but not broken completely 😛

[viral wyvern]

I have to show you all my greatest creation

[ripe crow]

Awesome wood paneling

[viral wyvern]

wood? nah. wood is too heavy. this is 100% authentic, pure, ethically sourced rubiconian Cardboard

[hollow ridge]

looks good

[fierce laurel]

Blessed? Cursed? Either way, same day delivery laser swording

[surreal tundra]

So it works with laser drones? Is it only while the weapon is charging I.e. before it finishes the charge? Or is it as long as you're holding it down?

[distant forge]

i think as long as ur holding it down

[frank pivot]

who's the one here that likes ayre again

i found Ayre's GF

[distant forge]

its meeeeeeeeee

[frank pivot]

oh nooooo did i coral oscilate you

usually i would be respectful to people i know

xD

[frank pivot]

bizzaro walter

[long zodiac]

Ok maybe I'm just bad, but does the Coral Oscillator just kinda stink? Like it's not bad but I doesn't feel that much better then other melees

Like, it doesn't even feel like it out does the Pulse Blade which is what I feel like it should yk

Maybe I'm just trying to make it a primary weapon to hard

[serene kettle]

It's the centerpiece of my most feared PVP build among my friends

but also the pulse blade is a different thing with a different role

also the pulse blade is one of the best weapons in the game

"doesn't even outperform" jesus that's a high bar

[cursive agate]

I've been using it as a sidegrade to Pulse Sword, though it's longer cooldown makes it less of a focus of builds.

Coral damage means it hits AP directly instead of getting walled by Energy Defense like Pulse Sword.

Vertical spin lets you get funky with vertical combat (lunging from above/below), makes horizontal movments harder to catch (without hard lock) though.

[serene kettle]

Redfin does bad things with it

[long zodiac]

Oh I'm talking PVE I have no clue what the PVP scene looks like

[serene kettle]

generally though the pulse sword is really good at what it does so using it as a comparison point will make a lot of things feel kinda meh

[cursive agate]

Ah, for PVE the Pulse Sword is generally better, since there isn't much enemies with heavy Energy Defense, and in those cases I'm probably bringing Pile Bunker anyways.

[long zodiac]

Like, the AI is just quicker then people are so I feel like theres less situations I can do either of the Oscillators moves, which ends up with it just feeling a lil meh

[serene kettle]

my first playthrough I did beginning to end with pulse sword. I had to force myself to use other things on repeats

[long zodiac]

And looking at it from a single player campaign perspective, I kinda hoped it would blow me away

[cursive agate]

I've been using lighter builds with Gridwalker, making the longer windup of coral sword less of an issue.

[serene kettle]

ah I went the opposite approach with Redfin

it's a very heavy build

I frequently win trades with the charged oscillator

[long zodiac]

Granted, it's a Fromsoft game, the PVP is definitely a aspect that needs to be balance for so you can't just have a crazy awesome sword that kills everything to death at the very end cause that kinda destroys balance

Guess I just hyped it up too much in my head

[cursive agate]

A bit of that, and the fact Pulse Sword is pretty wacky stat-wise.

[serene kettle]

yeah the pulse sword is just insanely good

they lowkey start you with just a sleeper hit of a weapon

230 Direct Hit is so much

and it has a ton of good stats and versatility

[long zodiac]

Yeah, It's a combo of I was using pulse blade as a yard stick (which I don't feel is an unreasonable assumption, it's the starter melee) and expecting some final weapon dream blaster that combo slams most enemies

[south oracle]

well, Armored Core used to have different tiers of weapons, but turns out that's awful for balancing

[serene kettle]

...when? I remember a decent bit of sidegrading even in the older games

[south oracle]

there's sidegrading and upgrade

of course, there's still upgrade in AC6, but it's unified with the core system thingie, so just by completing the game, you get all of it

[surreal tundra]

Huh, wild-
Lucky I keep the laserdrones on the right side then,

[surreal tundra]

gay

[surreal tundra]

fun thing I noticed- when I used the oscillator as an opener against ||CEL-240|| it was much more consistent in actually tagging it, or at least I could move around enough to do that I think, at least vs the pulse blade, cuz the build only had NEBULA and drones on the other side lmao,

It feels much more like a heavy weapon/strike thing, pulse blade for your standard hits- the oscillator makes it count, that kinda thing, just needs a bit to make it work I feel

[long zodiac]

Yeah, I was hoping for a main weapon and got a big swinger, it's a perspective thing

[surreal tundra]

Yeah, at least we get the pulse blade from the word 'go'

the li'l thing is just- so insanely good,
the only/main times it's unhelpful is when you're not able to properly close in for the hits- so depends on how good you are/your normal reflexes/control, your build, and how well you know the fight

[halcyon gull]

the AI also don't know how to handle melee boosting

[surreal tundra]

also does it have worse cooling than the pulse blade?
as in like- stats wise,
I haven't checked if it also starts cooling later than the pulse blade or not,
Cuz if it did actually start slicing/cooling faster than it already does, then I think it'd be wilder than the pulse blade overall- and unless they separate cooling rates/when the cooling starts between uncharged and charged hits- it'd also mean you can make waaay more of the sweeps

[surreal tundra]

which- seems kinda fair I guess,
tho now I wonder about if the DLC or the next game/6.5 or whatever will incorporate that into the design and have the AI better able to deal with that in some higher difficulty lmao,

[halcyon gull]

please no.
The AI has nigh-perfect boost avoidance, since input reading, I need them to struggle with tech like that

[surreal tundra]

That's fair, maybe in the occasional "absolutely meant to be a super hard/skilled optional fight" thing,

The slight delay before the swing on the oscillator also kinda helps catch things I think/IIRC,

[cursive agate]

Coral sword has worse Cooling than pulse sword yea.

[surreal tundra]

Mm, hopefully the actual time it starts cooling is the same, I could check next time i check the params or something, ah well

[frank pivot]

Try its charged attack, BUT

Pair it with a chargable weapon, such as LCA, LCS, FASAN, laser diffuser, Coral missile, or drones.

Lock on to an enemy and hold a charge with the back weapon. Don't even shoot, just hold the charge. Then do the oscillator charge attack

Kablam, it magically has insane tracking

[long zodiac]

Damn, see this is why I come here

Get the magic tricks

[distant forge]

no i meant i like ayre lol

[distant forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1171983569711792178/1173432553575817236/Screenshot_52.png?ex=6563ef3a&is=65517a3a&hm=a9985a11f2a2b38cf5f0f7b0dae85cb01ab81e04459f79153101b9dbb2ab016b&=&width=515&height=676

this is an armored core 6 post

[peak prawn]

PvE wise what you'll usually be getting out of it is ammoless single tap melee on mooks and using the charge as a stagger punish on large bosses

[cursive agate]

I've sometimes used the charged sweep on shoulder shields to inflict more Impact, though that's because they can't move fast either

[shut sequoia]

these names are great honestly

[frank pivot]

The other crazy thing about oscilator is that it has 180 range? Maybe more? So you can use the charged attack in neutral if you have a little stagger built on your enemy, and then chunk 80% of their stagger bar in one go

Very good for staggering enemy ACs and bosses.

[cursive agate]

(Charged sweep has) Somewhere around 180m yea

[river junco]

The Ming Tang being the hall of glory is so based

Love the Ming tang

[swift nacelle]

I notice the top three weapons have names implying they’re meant to be used in a defensive/suppressive fashion, which is certainly how i use the Change Chen and to a lesser extent the Hu Ben