Any theory crafting for the next AC game in Gen 6
#Armored Core General!
ripe crow
NG++ ending opens up a lot more opportunities for coral tech. But FoR ending would be the opposite.
Where a sequel goes really depends on what ending is canon.
frank pivot
It's a shame cuz the most narratively satisfying and best executed ending is Liberator
(I am picking a fight with people who have different [read: wrong] opinions)
dawn stag
I haven't got to NG++ ending yet
frank pivot
its fires of raven
Wait are you 4 cereal
frank pivot
Fires is better til the massively unsatisfying final boss and ending imo
distant forge
for me i feel like it better suits the game's tone
frank pivot
Like you didn't spend enough time with the RLF to make Destroy the Drive Block's rallying cry thing satisfying
dawn stag
I am expecting ending 3 to go off the rails lol
distant forge
and ||betraying ayre|| is such a heart-wrenching moment
esp because shes my cute coral girlfriend
dawn stag
I think it makes more sense to do fires on your first run and liberator on your second when there's so much more RLF involvement
I kinda feel like they should have locked you into that
it would have lined up better with how previous games worked
frank pivot
I agree. At least it's not like Three Houses tho, where you have one good route and three mid to bad ones
Wasn't this chat full of fire emblem players
dawn stag
but I feel like it was a consequence of tailoring to new players where they want them to at least pick between the two endings if they're only going to do one run
so I don't particularly begrudge it
distant forge
Fires is better til the massively unsatisfying final boss and ending imo
also fuck you that boss fight was tight af
iron quarry
I think it would be cool if they made a continuation of all three endings and let you choose
distant forge
much better than hula hoop guy 2: snail edition and some random AC you can alpha before it even heals
iron quarry
If they don’t do that then I think that fires of raven would be the easiest to continue
Gives them more freedom for new characters and a new story
frank pivot
also fuck you that boss fight was tight af
The fight is probably my favorite of the final ones haha, i just narratively felt like it fell suuuuper flat
cursive agate
I am expecting ending 3 to go off the rails lol
||The genie is out of the bottle, where will this potential take humanity.||
dawn stag
you can't reply to me with a spoiler I can't read D:
cursive agate
ah whoops
distant forge
river junco
Personally I think all 3 endings are narratively good because you’re supposed to experience all 3 of them
It’s seemingly intended that you do NG++, at which point you’ve seen them all
So I kinda consider them co-existent
ripe crow
so how would they coexist?
river junco
Oh not like
Literally
They definitely don’t all happen
But I think they coexist narratively in the sense that they aren’t complete without each other
ripe crow
Like, the fleet you take out in Fires of Raven is the same fleet Rusty has to go stop in Liberator, even though the plan is to make the ship fall out of they sky.
eager vector
https://youtu.be/mnUBN6jEJdg?si=c0aDQopIOYCSxkC1
Oh my god the 5 hour runtime
stuck surge
Like you didn't spend enough time with the RLF to make Destroy the Drive Block's...
I was really annoyed that you couldn't choose to work for the RLF more in the first run
river junco
Idk I had goosebumps and was freaking out the entire time during that mission
distant forge
i think i made someone a wee bit upset
frank pivot
peak prawn
i think i made someone a wee bit upset
Oh brother
That happens in for honor too
Good Fight! met with Good Fight! is good
Good Fight! met with OK! or Thanks! is not
frank pivot
Wait wait wait
I always say "thank you" and immediately "good job" when someone says "good job"
My face when i make dozens of people mad
By accident
proper tide
I halfway believe that's intentional. Like, they can't not know, not after Blaidd, as they both name the protagonist 621 and have a wolf-linked character close to them
ripe crow
Replace the E with AH, and I'd run it.
frank pivot
Ahhhh got it
ripe crow
Basically making the reference more explicitly canon in the icon.
distant forge
how do we feel about the redshift coral rifle
serene kettle
it's probably solid but I haven't had much luck with it
distant forge
kinda reminds me of the LRB
but like half the weight
similar/higher dmg and same fire rate
shut sequoia
who has the best dying scream? my vote is for Swinburne
river junco
It’s a joke in my friend group that they actually killed snail for his
shut sequoia
the japanese VA for snail sounds like he's actually being murdered in the booth
wooden nimbus
Killing Snail is a pleasure and having a voice actor commit to the bit just makes it better.
serene kettle
who has the best dying scream? my vote is for Swinburne
it's good, but...Snail.
frank pivot
how do we feel about the redshift coral rifle
i found it so bad on my no shop purchases run that i didn't even use it
i was so excited
and then it was kinda crap
in pvp it's a ridiculous stagger punish weapon tho
oh i finally learned about a good 12345 build today
sub 75k weight quad, close range brawler, and the sheer distance and time on the aerial QBs
like just try it and it'll be funny as fuck
distant forge
the interesting thing is that u can go all the way up to the 12345's weight limit and it wont relaly affect it
i learned recently that tetrapods in hover mode have their own booster impulse and speed
cursive agate
I still need to try Redshift Rifle, it looks in-between the Vvc and Nebula.
Taking just 2 ammo every charge is really eye-catching
frank pivot
the interesting thing is that u can go all the way up to the 12345's weight limi...
yeah, sub 75k is for assault boost
cursive agate
Bazookas have really spoiled me, Coral Rifle feels incredibly underwhelming in AC fights.
It does really nice damage on (uncharged) direct hits, but the reduced (charged) splash radius hurts really bad compared to Nebula (42 vs 70)
surreal tundra
https://fxtwitter.com/halfheartxi/status/1707095227234918899?s=20
Oh that looks pretty XD
Also getting all the combat logs on the first clear in the ||retake the wall|| on a NG- neeeeope
Apparently I can handle the ||HC by itself, but not Ring Freddie- I'll need some tweaks with later gear it seems, at least if I wanna do it with less trouble lmao||
iron quarry
https://fxtwitter.com/halfheartxi/status/1707095227234918899?s=20
Is 621 on a steamdeck
dawn stag
they're playing armored core
wooden nimbus
So I was looking at the story trailer because I've mostly seen C4-617's boosters being listed as unknown (stop me if this has already been confirmed)
This looks a lot like the ALULA to me
And I think we can assume they use the ABBOT FCS because of the close range fighting style and weapon selection, so I think it's safe to assume we can boil down the generator to either YABA or MING-TANG.
midnight pine
those are the base boosters
you can tell cuz 1 nozzle is bigger than the other two abd the other two are angled down
if i were running that build id probably use the hokushi if i couldbt mount the san tai
but the bleaker and more probable reality is that theyre running base loader 4
joso :bindle:
starter fcs :bindle:
wooden nimbus
Ah yeah I see what you mean
I like the Hoku myself but I wouldn't wanna run OW
Though with the starter booster it fits
frank pivot
Urgh i do NOT want to grind more allmind tonight
Fuck, i cannot BELIEVE how much easier assault armor makes the fight haha
ripe crow
Allmind fight taught me how to use AA.
river junco
The ||Allmind|| fight taught me to not bother with adds :0
Which is the opposite of what Redguns taught me
frank pivot
I can pretty consistently drag loader 4's recalcitrant ass to phase 3 with a repair kit and 5000-8000 AP
river junco
Which was “FUCK AH IM SORRY FOR UNDERESTIMATING 50 MTs”
frank pivot
But good GOD i can't save enough ammo
ashen monolith
the biggest draw of the starter boosters is supremely low EN load, and some middleweights can get away with skimping on boost speed. definitely a more niche option compared to general boosters like flugel or p04, and alulas can serve even up to 72k or so weight
frank pivot
I need to learn trigger discipline and shot timing
river junco
I want you to play an unrelated character in the sequel
frank pivot
...same? XD
river junco
And then 621 shows up in the wheelchair with two zimmies and two songbirds
frank pivot
Hahahaha
river junco
And is the hardest boss in the game
ashen monolith
as for this fight, the lil' ACs can drag out the first phase if you're doing a close range build so i sometimes try to kill the two which have laser daggers
river junco
They managed to get their hands on the pre-patch variants!
Raven watch out
Those weapons are extremely dangerous
river junco
Quads are funny
frank pivot
"I'M TRYING TO RUN BUT SHE KEEPS QUICKBOOSTING AFTER ME"
ashen monolith
they're all mind alphas, two have laser dagger + ludlow and the other two have plasma missiles and the 6x V missiles
the latter aren't worth gunning for
frank pivot
Loader 4 doesn't have the ammo to kill the adds even in phase 1
ripe crow
my first run was a spring chicken gats/songbirds
frank pivot
You have to chew through SO much hp
river junco
You definitely shouldn’t fight the spiders tho
That’s just a waste of time in any build
ashen monolith
yeah those are a waste of time, too much hp
frank pivot
I think if i can find a more consistent window to land kicks and melee hits in phase 2 i could save the ammo
river junco
And is also likely to get ||IgMind|| directly in ur butt
I have been actively jumpscared by them
While fighting the spiders
ashen monolith
if you're not focusing on him, he'll likely smack you with those orbits
sometimes ||iguazuMIND|| just. flies really far into the air and doesn't come down for a good while
frank pivot
I think my 3 big improvements to make are:
- don't shoot unless the red reticle is actually gonna hit
- try to find kick and melee openings (charged r2 maybe?) in phase 2
- try to make Ayre stay focused on him
ashen monolith
i think it's an AI quirk trying to dodge the coral missile
river junco
Also
I feel like it would be really easy to do the ‘stop the coral’ mission with manual aim and linear rifles
ashen monolith
ayre i love you and you're the strongest arena opponent but sometimes you make this happen to me
river junco
But I also think I’m overestimating my ability to aim them lmao
frank pivot
I feel like it would be really easy to do the ‘stop the coral’ mission with manu...
It's pretty easy even in loader 4 as long as you're ready for the fast transports
I think i perfected it first try on this last run
river junco
I’m gonna be 100 champ idk what loader 4 is in this context
ashen monolith
i got through all of it until ||iguazuMIND||, but stopped there because unlike them i committed to the original head bringer loadout
cursive agate
The ||Allmind|| fight taught me to not bother with adds :0
||1st wave's ads are nasty enough to clean out, but 2nd wave is a stage hazard at best||
cursive agate
What's original headbringer? Ludlow, curtis, missiles?
Round shield, which I think is on the Ludlow side for some reason.
cursive agate
left shoulder
frank pivot
Oh that's the normal shield spot
I was briefly very excited that you could make a dual shield AC with plasma whip
cursive agate
It bothers me a lot that Iguazu isn't putting a charging weapon on the left-side, since it wouldn't be shooting much anyways
frank pivot
The curtis?
If i was playing head bringer i'd mostly be spamming both guns in close
I don't think solo ludlow really is worth anything
ashen monolith
yeah
what brings head bringer down is it has the weapons on the wrong hands
i'd much prefer ludlow on the right and curtis on the left, to keep the shield up while shooting, but spamming curtis works well enough to beat everyone but the final boss
frank pivot
Is it just an ammo issue like with loader 4
There's no pulse blade to punish but it should stagger and kick pretty well yeah?
ashen monolith
your damage goes down the shitter without pulse blade, yeah. kick is essential
the curtis has a bottomless well of ammunition, as linear rifles do, but the other two run out by phase 3
way more consistent staggers but much worse followup. the shield is regrettably almost useless since you don't have the output with it on
though i don't purge it specifically for when i ran out of everything on the left
frank pivot
Lmao did you watch chartreuse win the presets tourney
Tanks are all sooooo braindead
Even when you have a god player like kyne they're so dumb
cursive agate
Hovertank retains the disgusting AP advantage, it baffled me how much it could soak even when staggered when I tried it on some builds.
river junco
it do be the big upside of tanks alonside the no firing stanc thin
eager vector
Fuck, i cannot BELIEVE how much easier assault armor makes the fight haha
wait it does? How so?
frank pivot
It lets me stagger allmind much more easily, thus extending my ammo pool
eager vector
Ah gotcha
frank pivot
I fucking love this depiction of Red
Literally exactly how he should look. He sleeps with the sunglasses on
queen willow
My friend's art 😊 https://fxtwitter.com/Iuciferic/status/1716158578002718837
eager vector
see men? help I don’t get the joke 😭
ripe crow
Silly video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j5iux6piNw
shut sequoia
love the pattern you went with
peak prawn
see men? help I don’t get the joke 😭
Yeah this is not firing any neurons for me either
My brain is telling me its a japanese joke translated into english or something but surely that can't be right
serene kettle
like...semen? it's a gay joke, I think?
surreal tundra
I just got to try Wuergers with pulse+laser blade and it is fuuuun
frank pivot
like...semen? it's a gay joke, I think?
literally all it is yeah XD
the redguns would 100% tell the dumbest jokes
though i think it's just a sex joke not a gay joke
given the artist
XD
i finally made a redguns looking AC i am willing to drive
is it literally the same light i always drive except green and blocky? yes
but i like it
and the redguns need some lightweight pilots
twin moss
Got my first coral generator and love the red energy color it puts out. It looks so cool
ripe crow
I've been throwing my multiplayer build againt the NG++ boss. It actually seems to be doing fairly well, but requires ammo management.
not "winning" well, but final phase 50% of the time well.
iron quarry
Got my first coral generator and love the red energy color it puts out. It looks...
Coral gen+nachtreiher core is kinda good ngl
You thought all my energy was gone but jokes on you it comes back in like 0.8 seconds nerd
frank pivot
today, i learned that missile rat is an option, not a playstyle
and succesfully ratted a quad in loader 4
haha
frank pivot
true loader 4
default internals, no expansion
it turns out when your opponent stacks bazookas and you have missiles you can just run away
and missile
and run away
and missile
loader 4 ABs at nearly 500
yes the capacity is a problem but against a heavy quad it's hilariously fine
dawn stag
all the people who go into PVP with a meta build and the default mech name are shaking and crying rn
dawn stag
they met the real loader 4
iron quarry
and succesfully ratted a quad in loader 4
Lightweight missile rats are pain
My honest man build just gets blown away
I just want rifles to get another small buff to projectile velocity
I want to be able to hit things
As well as a big buff to the ransetsu-ar
Because that thing is hot dogshit
ashen monolith
god
it's so bad
in terms of stagger it feels like peashooting
ransetsu-rf is the singular weapon holding the dual rifles playstyle together
linears are also quite good, but the key is that ransetsu-rf has very little recoil, allowing it to perform well with one curtis/harris
surreal tundra
You thought all my energy was gone but jokes on you it comes back in like 0.8 se...
wait is it really 0.8?
I always count like up to 3 at least, or 4 with the heavier gen,
what makes the redline recovery quicker?"
ashen monolith
that's indeed exaggeration, i believe it's about 2.7 seconds
surreal tundra
that's indeed exaggeration, i believe it's about 2.7 seconds
with the Aorta or the heavy one?
ashen monolith
they're fairly identical, that was with the ngi though
iron quarry
wait is it really 0.8?
I always count like up to 3 at least, or 4 with the heavi...
The Nachtreihers supply recovery adjacency affects the empty EN recovery rate
surreal tundra
ohhh
surreal tundra
they're fairly identical, that was with the ngi though
wait really?
iron quarry
It’s pretty good
surreal tundra
The Nachtreihers supply recovery adjacency affects the empty EN recovery rate
wait wha
zxcmn
wao,
dangiiit
iron quarry
Go test it
surreal tundra
does the ALBA core have an att least okay stat in that?
ashen monolith
the basho & nachtreiher cores are practically built for coral gen
surreal tundra
the basho & nachtreiher cores are practically built for coral gen
explains why ||Dolmayan uses it lmao, at least IIRC he does||
ashen monolith
after the output buff of the latter nachtreiher can also perform well with the hokushi, but that loadout requires a fairly EN-light assembly
yeah, dolmayan does
and astghik doesn't mess around in the mission where you meet him
iron quarry
Although my favorite has to be the HAL+Hokushi for the alarming amount of exercise en load and how fast it comes back when it starts regenerating
frank pivot
NGI + nacht core is very good too
My new favorite build is the squid quad though
Hmmr + vientos + whatever light weapon on the back right slot
surreal tundra
The Nachtreihers supply recovery adjacency affects the empty EN recovery rate
is the "supply recovery adjacency" called anything else btw?
frank pivot
Supply recovery efficiency
It was probably just a typo
Cores do affect redlining recharge speed though
surreal tundra
did they show that stat in 1.01?
frank pivot
It's not by very much
surreal tundra
lemme see if I can check it in-game,
frank pivot
Oh ADJUST, not adjacency haha
surreal tundra
Cuz I've technically only been doing regulation updates for a 1.01 install and Iunno if it did something weird lmao
frank pivot
This is how to calculate how quickly you start regenerating after you redline with a quickboost
If you redline with assault boost, ignore the QB stuff
(100/supply adjust)*(1000/energy output)
surreal tundra
mm!
iunno why but "redline" feels like a fun word to say- if used in a technical/mecha context nxcz
Nacht's Supply adjustment is 1.09 right?
ALBA has 1.05,,,
with the Alula...
The raw EN output on the generator right?
0.21138967572 vs 0.21944261575 for the Nacht vs ALBA,
then 0.30+0.35 for 0.65,
so like a 0.00805294002 difference-
wait did I calc these right?
frank pivot
the next time someone complains about Defend the Mining Ship, send them this video
xD
surreal tundra
ooooh XD
goddess I need to remember to use my kicks lmao,
I'm using a goddessdamn melee build I need to be doing that more
iron quarry
Wait does you overall weight affect your tracking
Because I know if you go beyond your overall load limit it makes it worse
But I wonder if going far below your overall weight also affects it
surreal tundra
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1960331382
was this all OS tunings but no extension, and default/no change to internals at all?
frank pivot
Yep 🙂
surreal tundra
oooooh-
did you clear every mission like that?
I feel this is like- one of the extremes/a good benchmark for how good canon-621 is as a pilot lmao
surreal tundra
Yep 🙂
real impressive XD
also thank fuck Loader 4 comes with missiles lmao,
and the pulse blade!
cursive agate
But I wonder if going far below your overall weight also affects it
I don't think so, higher speed might make it easier for your FCS to keep up with fast moving targets if moving in the same direction though.
surreal tundra
and the pulse blade!
goddess the pulseblade is so insanely good for how much it actually takes- EN load and weight-wise, plus the lack of ammo cost
iron quarry
Maybe it’s just arm load limit
cursive agate
What I know for sure does affect aim tracking is Firearm Spec, FCS stats, and soft/hard lock
surreal tundra
tracking definitely gets worse going above the limit- I haven't seen it get better than a certain point tho I think, under the load limit
iron quarry
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1960331382
Good lord that reminds me of when I used pile bunker only for wormy
That was a baller fight
Bunk Gaming
frank pivot
oooooh-
did you clear every mission like that?
All of them EXCEPT one
surreal tundra
All of them EXCEPT one
which one?
surreal tundra
I have yet to put Iguzaumind in their place
oooh- fair,
With AA is it possible?
frank pivot
Yes 🙂
surreal tundra
XD
frank pivot
surreal tundra
uhhh- btw what're your pronouns? I can't seem to find 'em
surreal tundra
https://youtu.be/MJbHNhvOdTE?si=PyIPMlU7vX5GqEDt
oh FUCK yeah TTGL music
frank pivot
uhhh- btw what're your pronouns? I can't seem to find 'em
She/her! XD i should really list tjem
surreal tundra
She/her! XD i should really list tjem
mrrew! XD
surreal tundra
https://youtu.be/MJbHNhvOdTE?si=PyIPMlU7vX5GqEDt
I absolutely *have *to bring this up as canon for 621-Raven zxmcnxc
These are the parts literally everyone gets, just except for the AA- and that says a lot about what you can do, and what Raven could do XD
also fuuuun the music synch
frank pivot
XD i had to cut the cutscene in the middle to get the music to sync up yeah
Okey i gtg! Movie starting!
surreal tundra
mm! have funsies XD
surreal tundra
https://youtu.be/MJbHNhvOdTE?si=PyIPMlU7vX5GqEDt
I feel inspired to go reaaaally aggressive the next times XD
I think the music is causing part of the effect lmao
surreal tundra
oooh, GL with it XD
wooden nimbus
have fun
hardy marsh
yeahh!
surreal tundra
I wish I could join- just for the heck of it, PVP that is- buuut I have no idea how the internet- or heck, my laptop can even handle it lmao
maybe if I get an upgrade down the line
ripe crow
the next time someone complains about Defend the Mining Ship, send them this vid...
What am I doing wrong with hardlock? If I press middle mouse, my icon changes, but I still lose track of enemies.
For Ibis, Ayer, and Allmind, I basically had to memorize how far behind me they jump to track them in softlock
distant forge
hardlock is goofy as fuk in this game
the weird thing is that the second u move ur cursor at all, it breaks momentarily
the way to deal w this is to hold ur mouse sideways/upside down when ur using hardlock
or just, any way to hold the sensor off of ur desk/mousepad surface
or alternatively, bind alternative keyboard controls for the things u use your mouse for and
when harclocking, switch to full keyboard control and dont even touch ur mouse
truly the modern version of the armored core grip
distant forge
its a shitpost from old armored core games
hardy marsh
oh....
well, it kinda worked?
like, it makes sense in hindsight but it could work. it could.
fierce laurel
had an amusing thought while playing with a 2x shoulder turret drone deployer build
frank pivot
how much should i reduce mission rewards by
i'm making a poverty mod for ac6 that literally just reduces income
distant forge
dis gonna be my tournament build
the tourney is build-locked so counterpicking builds rock paper scissors style isnt a thing, ur ac has to be adaptable
and its no weapon bans so i can run LCS
imma have to practice my balls clean off
it has trouble against mirror matchups and vientos n stuff cuz the second u get stunned you Die
but i can do pretty good against LRBsters and stuff
i gotta work on my positioning and become even more of a dodging god
terminal armor is like,, really good now too
summer trellis
dis gonna be my tournament build
i think it could do with a heavier core imo?
tbf that is a really light build
distant forge
ill take a looksie at my options for cores tmrw when i have free time
but i picked the light pointy guy cuz of the best-in-slot booster efficiency
surreal tundra
dis gonna be my tournament build
Wao
Also goddess those revolvers look fucking heavy on the wrist sjndgj
No support at all XD
The red accents make it look like there's extra glow/like there's solid/liquid coral or something running through 'em XD
surreal tundra
dis gonna be my tournament build
How'd you get the red under black for parts like the thigh thing?
distant forge
the support structure is red with full reflectiviy and luster, then the main is the pattern and the ,,, fuck whats the
the thing below main on the paint menu
main is the pattern, sub is dark grey with low reflectivity, then support optional and other are all reflective dark red, and the lights are red
distant forge
The red accents make it look like there's extra glow/like there's solid/liquid c...
that's the idea, my headcanon Raven is really into coral tech
(gay lesbian gay for ayre)
surreal tundra
XDDD
Raven dances and Ayre dances with her via the contact, if she's not in her own AC XD
surreal tundra
that's the idea, my headcanon Raven is really into coral tech
Did you use just the pain settings for that btw? Or is it also some decal work?
distant forge
just paint
surreal tundra
Mm! I'll look around it next time then, the glow is so pretty XD
Actually- what reflection/luster are they set to for the glow?
surreal tundra
https://youtu.be/MJbHNhvOdTE?si=PyIPMlU7vX5GqEDt
I'll be honest, I've literally downloaded it as an Mp3 for music cuz turns out I like the extra fight sounds/voices XD
It's somehow- relaxing? No- like, fun? Also the Turner as an instrument/extra drum lmao
cursive agate
Rough guess of like AC5 or VD's payouts
frank pivot
a true return to the classics
"hey kid, go turn those unionized workers into ionized workers for us"
serene kettle
you're right but oof too classic 😛
twin moss
Defend the Dam complex was a nail biter
The laser turrets saved my life but I was sweating on 966 AP, no hand ammo and 1 turret in reserve when the last enemy died
shut sequoia
paused to take a selfie with this friendly MT
inland sluice
Yay
Kuboom as they say
Sadly don't have much time to play but when I do I play some pvp and try to get a couple s ranks done. Don't feel like grinding s ranks since it'd just upset me at some point and make me not wanna play as much anymore.
It's funny I managed to S rank the alternative chapter 1 final in one try but the regular one I still haven't.
frank pivot
Defend the Dam complex was a nail biter
This last run converted me to the church of "king first"
Blow up King -> fight chart for a bit -> run away where her pathfinding struggles to get to you -> 1v1 raven -> finish off chartreuse
dawn stag
I just go for whichever one is on the left closest first, then kill them before the other shows up, then kill the other before raven makes it over
wooden nimbus
That's King
dawn stag
they take a while to group up
wooden nimbus
I too assassinate King first, it is in my nature as an anti-monarchist
dawn stag
chartreuse takes longer but it takes raven ages to actually fly to you
wooden nimbus
Also King will move to 2v1 me if I target Chartreuse a lot faster than the inverse in my anecdotal experience.
dawn stag
so it makes sense to use the longer time window on her
serene kettle
huh, i've always just nuked Chartreuse
she usually goes down quick enough that you don't get 2v1'd ime
ripe crow
she usually goes down quick enough that you don't get 2v1'd ime
same
serene kettle
see i find King to be a lot tougher of a nut to crack because he's better at using shields than I am lol
ashen monolith
in fairness that's the really big shield you need to hold rather than a parrying one
so it behaves quite a bit differently
distant forge
working on some decal stuff for my main AC
i want more red
i think im gonna cover it in eyes and stuff
feral yew
Oooooooooooo
south oracle
huh, you can make it fully transparent?
well, almost
that face sure looks ugly as hell though
dawn stag
I think it looks pretty neat
distant forge
huh, you can make it fully transparent?
its normally that transparent, u just change the support structure color
twin moss
This last run converted me to the church of "king first"
Chartreuse was a harder fight for me so I had to focuse her down before Raven showed up
ashen monolith
i'm a king first truther
chartreuse has the tank leg AI and thus doesn't know she can hover so you can get her stuck on one of the dams when raven touches down
if you can kill them quick king is still the more annoying one to have around if you get clipped by the 3x lasers
frank pivot
Chartreuse was a harder fight for me so I had to focuse her down before Raven sh...
yeah that's the thing, you CAN solo her afterwards
her AI has a really hard time climbing up the dam
so if you kill king, then when raven spawns, you go to the place where you fight index dunham
then you get to do 3 1v1s rather than a 1v1 and 1v2
dawn stag
you can do 3 1v1s if you kill chartreuse fast enough after killing king
no cheese required
frank pivot
yeah, but it's easier to just abuse her AI haha
cursive agate
I've gone for king first because he was closer, and crunches faster without shield active.
dawn stag
I find the monkey brain "king is closer" argument most compelling tbh
ashen monolith
fair enough
i go with the slightly more sophisticated "i tried chartreuse first and it didn't work"
twin moss
Chartreuse kept buddying up with Raven to absolutely stomp me so I was like: ‘you, die first’
King died easy to laser turret spam and Raven is well… Raven
ripe crow
"Dodging is for other people."
fierce laurel
dodging is time wasted that you could have spent shooting!
also, dual Ransetsu represent
surreal tundra
working on some decal stuff for my main AC
It looks like a snake head with 3 eyes-pairs, 2 extra eye pairs on ghe side, and a camera-eye-tongue sticking out lmao
river junco
Ooo what’s the build
distant forge
dis gonna be my tournament build
this
river junco
Oooo sexy
frank pivot
working on some decal stuff for my main AC
Those round highlights look very nice
Are you able to stream your pov for the tourney? If not, can you post when you're on the main stage so we can come watch?
river junco
oh hey
cut dialogue from NG++ explains the ||turquoise coral||
||it's human conciousness ALLMIND turned into a Coral Substance||
cursive agate
||it's human conciousness ALLMIND turned into a Coral Substance||
||(Might be something else entirely, but) I guess that's why Arquebus has a place called The Factory???||
river junco
||oh no that's implied to just be where they brainwash soldiers and do awful cybernetics experiments on people for snail's benefits||
proper tide
||Actually, they brainwash people in the reeducation center, the factory is another thing.||
fierce laurel
||"maybe if I turned Iguazu into fuel he would actually be useful" -Allmind probably||
south oracle
oh, so that's how it works
summer trellis
||it's human conciousness ALLMIND turned into a Coral Substance||
||wait what the actual fuck||
south oracle
||It also explains why ALLMIND dies afterward, they burned out their coral.||
river junco
yep!
also there's another line that implies that ||Iguazu doesn't just overpower allmind, his will is stronger than any other soul on rubicon as he takes control of the release||
surreal tundra
||Oh shit, S-ranked the enforcement squad mission even tho I used up all my repair kits lmao, wasnt paying attention- the heck, I was just trying to get the log djndy||
peak prawn
||it's human conciousness ALLMIND turned into a Coral Substance||
||So I was right about Ayre and the other 'rubiconian' Coral entities not being Coral-ified humans 👁️ ||
shut sequoia
god I love the pulse scutum
hardy marsh
hey, does anyone have any tips on using terminal armor?
quasi copper
when the terminal armor activates, kill everything in sight as fast as you can with no regard for your safety because until it wears off or is broken you can't be killed
ashen monolith
it's kind of the expansion which requires the least tips by definition
i guess be more careful of near-stagger since you don't have a failsafe? stagger follow-up is the core of ac6 duels so getting it or not can decide everything
if you feel like a guaranteed 5 seconds of fame is better than canceling a stagger for your build, run it
practically necessary in 3v3s for if those ever happen
quasi copper
it's wild with one-tap setups like Basho Double Trouble
because five seconds of fame with that build is a kill
river junco
Is this with the no purchases?
sharp canopy
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I DID IT
double ransetsu + Furlong 4-cells on a lightweight
wooden nimbus
Hell yeah
quasi copper
Armored Core / Fight Club crossover post
V.I Freud is talking shit on Snail’s gameplay, saying he sucks at hit confirms and his combo routes are wack
frank pivot
Is this with the no purchases?
No that was super easy, got it first try. This one's loader 4, no expansion T_T
Gonna try another sesh tonight
river junco
ohhh jeez
frank pivot
Yeah Dx
fierce laurel
Today is friday in california! Have you shoot Iguazu yet?
frank pivot
Today is friday in california! Have you shoot Iguazu yet?
I have never used the jp voices actually
I've found in the last 3-4 years that western VA quality has finally started to surpass JP VA quality
Dubbed anime especially is often quite good now as opposed to being almost universally horrible before the 2020s
Things like the cowboy bebop dub were notable exceptions haha
halcyon gull
In games where teh VA's are given more direction (And are different voices from the super common ones I hear, like I've never heard Walter, or G1 michigan before) but also Fromsoft do tend to have different VA's on hand
dawn stag
english language is pretty high priority for video games
because there's a huge english language market that buy japanese video games
halcyon gull
In recent years with the games that fromsoft have been making (sekiro not accounted due to the nature and style of the game) they've had very different voices to characters
dawn stag
the sekiro voice acting was great
all the VAs absolutely belting out gyoubu's entrance
keen garden
I'm thinking that on Halloween I should go ahead and grab my friends who couldnt get any friends and stream Costume Quest or something
Dont feel right somebody being alone on halloween
It is done
Oh wait wrong chat
halcyon gull
I agree with this sentiment
halcyon gull
wait shit for real?
dawn stag
I think they mean a physical model
hollow ridge
Also Bandai just announced an ac6 30 miniute missions line
dawn stag
very pog
wooden nimbus
Also Bandai just announced an ac6 30 miniute missions line
A what
hollow ridge
A line of 1/144 model kits that is not specifically gundam
wooden nimbus
Ac6 models you say 👀
hollow ridge
Made to be quick to assemble and kitbashable
wooden nimbus
Kitbashable you say 👀
The Crab is activated
Physical models of my ACs would be so cool
Though with all of Gleipnir's decals that paint job would take forever
dawn stag
yeah this seems really cool
I don't think I could begin to replicate the job I did on some of my ACs lol
wooden nimbus
Now they just gotta make the models move with your brain
what do you mean they already did Angelic Layer with mechs
surreal tundra
Made to be quick to assemble and kitbashable
OwO
IIRC you could kitbash some of those with certain gunpla- I thiiink-?
Might be thinking about somethign else,
surreal tundra
I think it does kinda work with G-Witch kits?
cuz those are the- most recent/recent-ish?
dawn stag
time to combine ortus and gundvolva
surreal tundra
Yeah those are real close looking-
I know the Lfrith Thorne and- I forgot the other one- were desgined by a 00 designer,
I forgot if he also designed the Gundvolvas,
which- it would frankly explain why they feel so similar lmao,
even has the hip/skirt thrusters,
dawn stag
if you changed the head out and painted it differently I feel like lfrith thorn could totally be an ekdromoi or something
surreal tundra
meanwhile the GUND-nodes are- they feel closer to the Vanadis/Calibarn/Lfrith-into-Aerial Gundams, I think, I haven't checked if they're by the same designer lmao,
surreal tundra
if you changed the head out and painted it differently I feel like lfrith thorn ...
wait, the hunched over Ekdromoi?
dawn stag
or the like LCs
idk it might just be a case of "all mecha look like mecha" but it has those vibes from what little I've seen
if you gave it a much littler less extravagant head
wooden nimbus
To be fair if I could have schwarzette's weapon load on my ac... 
surreal tundra
To be fair if I could have schwarzette's weapon load on my ac... <a:eyes:5916807...
scatter-beam blade and Bits?
wooden nimbus
Ye, but the aesthetic
wooden nimbus
I want the actual sord part of a sword sometimes
surreal tundra
||CEL-240 is a lot more consistently done with pulsebladfe+dagger with the lasser orbit vs the drones, blep, maybe I can find a better loadout later||
frank pivot
Aerial, the old broomstick mech that suletta flies in the ending, and pharact were the best designs in gwitch
frank pivot
I only give aerial any credit because the basic gundam design is very iconic
surreal tundra
I still wish we had thruster parts/parts solely adding booster power,
frank pivot
I think as we get more sequels, the construction will be de-casualized
I would like to see heat and radiators return
surreal tundra
I wan more Bit options bvnc
like- gimme regenerating ammo on 'em like old Exceed/core Orbits, i dun care I wanna make it work lmao
frank pivot
I'm glad the huxleys ended up being good
surreal tundra
how do they compare w/the laser orbits?
frank pivot
Significantly better
surreal tundra
Huh,
frank pivot
They output a quite good amount of stagger
dawn stag
the huxleys are great their only weakness is low ammo
surreal tundra
yeah, sounds likely,
frank pivot
Because they're full auto direct fire, they can easily finish filling stagger bars for you
The laser orbits need more damage if they want to see use imo
They just don't do enough
And giving them more stagger would make them fill the same role as huxleys
wooden nimbus
I think it would be cool to have more deployables
dawn stag
the laser turrets are good now right
wooden nimbus
Turrets, mines, orbits, CIWS drones, whatever
wooden nimbus
the laser turrets are good now right
They seem to be
surreal tundra
the laser turrets are good now right
definitely better I think
river junco
Tbh they were always pretty good for defense missions
wooden nimbus
Long as you can get the placement right
wooden nimbus
We used to have relation missiles and missile intercept parts on the shoulders and I want em back
frank pivot
ciws would be sweet lol
I would like to see shoulder extensions come back. In the ps2 games, your core had a CIWS and you could mount shoulder extensions to fire missile intercepting missiles
surreal tundra
The laser orbits need more damage if they want to see use imo
yeah- Huxleys/kinetics kinda slot into the impact/stagger side of things, which makes sense- EN weapons with high impact feel like they should be high-lasers or like, plasma lmao,
surreal tundra
We used to have relation missiles and missile intercept parts on the shoulders a...
thrusters!
and/or orbit options for that too lmao,
wooden nimbus
Yes
frank pivot
Missile extensions in ac6 would be ridiculous. Plasma verts with regular missile shoulder extensions.
surreal tundra
I would like to see shoulder extensions come back. In the ps2 games, your core h...
basically either anti-missile cores with- I forgot what other stats were better lmao-
vs cores with orbits, either laser or bullet,
I think I'd want a gundam-like laser orbit core + thruster back parts lmao, for the Calibarn thing,
surreal tundra
Missile extensions in ac6 would be ridiculous. Plasma verts with regular missile...
plasma missiles vs normal missiles- normal missiles deal their damage up front vs the higher damage potential of the plasmas over time/AoE right?
river junco
Balteus sadly killed all CIWs producers before the events of the game
surreal tundra
We used to have relation missiles and missile intercept parts on the shoulders a...
TBH I don'tthink I ever figured out how to use relation missiles lmao
frank pivot
Yeah. Also normal verts have trouble hitting the fast moving player builds of pvp, but plasma verts avoid that with their AOEs
surreal tundra
Yeah. Also normal verts have trouble hitting the fast moving player builds of pv...
and also the long flight time making them hit long after the enemy started and finished dodging lmao, at least in PvE/Arena
frank pivot
The direct fire plasma missiles are less good
But the 3 cell is actually as good as the 6 cell for most purposes since you generally only care about plopping down plasma AOEs on targets
surreal tundra
Balteus sadly killed all CIWs producers before the events of the game
Balteus would probs be able to throw out enough missiles to take you out anyways lmao,
or well- if effective enough, they might toss in even more missiles per barrage
surreal tundra
But the 3 cell is actually as good as the 6 cell for most purposes since you gen...
oh really? Huh,
frank pivot
Yeah. It's a good missile launcher
surreal tundra
yeah, I guess the 6-cell doesn't all clump up anyways,
while the plas-vert just has the long time to impact as a drawback,
also i just make everything a bit faster mzncx
even just like- a 1.25x or 1.5x increase
slight increase in map size/fighting area to accomodate, but otherwise still able to keep the closer range pretty relevant,
or something,
Could also mean that boost speeds could be like 400-500 or 500-600 and peeking into the 1k+ lmao
maybe just push the camera back a little so it's easier to stay on soft-lock,
that's probs for a ACFA-style sequel if anything
frank pivot
I reallllly like the speed where it's at, i don't know if i'd like it as much if it was faster
But i also strongly dislike FA
surreal tundra
That's fair, that's fair,
I'm sure there's ways to technically boost the speed while keeping the feel the same- but that's a whole other thing
surreal tundra
I think that I just like- tend to play faster anyways- and also cuz my game is slowed enough sometimes that it feels like a full 1-ish seconds between the NGI booster things
frank pivot
Idc if they are replaced in terms of functionality by hovertanks
Just get rid of the treads
surreal tundra
I think that I just like- tend to play faster anyways- and also cuz my game is s...
like- the ALULA feels like it's the same time dif. between dashes as the normal dashes in videos I've seen online-
so I'm pretty sure it's just my game being slowed down to the point that the inputs feel a bit awkward lmao
surreal tundra
Just get rid of the treads
I don't have much of an opinion but I do prefer my mecha flying- and also not overshadowed by slow tanks (the speedy builds I mean) XD
frank pivot
like- the ALULA feels like it's the same time dif. between dashes as the normal ...
Oh do you have framerate issues even at lower settings?
I wonder if there are mods to further reduce graphics or cut back on the effects
surreal tundra
Oh do you have framerate issues even at lower settings?
I have the RAM for the game but I think my graphics card is a bit below it,
surreal tundra
I wonder if there are mods to further reduce graphics or cut back on the effects
Yeah, I absolutely can't wait for potato mods lmao,
like the one I found for Elden Ring that made it vaguele playable,
actually about the same speed/slowdown rate as AC6 is now when it's a bit slow,
There's settings/compatability modes that let me run it smoother and faster- but I immediately worry about it crashing my game and having to restart the laptop lmao,
frank pivot
Ohhh you're playing on a laptop i seeee
surreal tundra
cuz that's what tends to happen, especially with some maps- in particular the fucking Wall znmcxzc
like seriously, any missions that take place on that map, like the ||Swinburne assassination- oh goddess I hate that one-|| or the arena fights like against Iguazu and some others- iiiiit's unbearable lmao
Tho at least in smaller maps it runs a touch quicker/the boosts are actualyl bearable
surreal tundra
Ohhh you're playing on a laptop i seeee
it's practically a PC with how I can't move it now lmao, no working battery either, tho not as much modularity
*I have so much stuff on this laptop- I really hope that I can transfer everything out before the whole thing doesn't work anymore lmao
frank pivot
surreal tundra
this the Redguns light-weight?
frank pivot
Single huxley is good with dual pistols
frank pivot
this the Redguns light-weight?
Yeah!
frank pivot
Laser dagger 🙂
surreal tundra
ahhh
well the dagger does good work XD
oh shit those are BASHOs
they work with pistols?
frank pivot
Yeah, so it's a one shot kill combo
surreal tundra
oh shit those are BASHOs
what guns are they fine to use with?
*generally
river junco
Maybe they were saving some of the weirder stuff like intercept systems and what not for the sequel/expansion so they could work on the brand new systems and make sure all of these fundamentals work
frank pivot
Tbf i just ignore the recoil and fire at close range
surreal tundra
also the- Melander core, right?
river junco
Before they start getting wild w it
frank pivot
also the- Melander core, right?
There are better cores, this was for fashion 😄
surreal tundra
Maybe they were saving some of the weirder stuff like intercept systems and what...
def. fair, they'd need to expand the range a little if/when they do tho,
*I feel
surreal tundra
There are better cores, this was for fashion 😄
XD
It reminds me of the old medium/generalist core in older gens, just without the spike at the end/gun barrel that only became a working anti-missile thing in later games lmao
surreal tundra
Tbf i just ignore the recoil and fire at close range
fair, tho it def sucks with aiming/getting the aim up sooner like ||vs CEL-240. I think I just kinda haven't gotten used to reading the vulnerable moments yet in the middle of the fight||
serene kettle
XD
It reminds me of the old medium/generalist core in older gens, just without t...
melander is definitely a design callback to some of the older games' starter parts
the melander C3 in particular is basically a slightly off-model Crest AC
wooden nimbus
Yeah
And I forget the name but one is basically the poster ac from silent line
Or was it Nexus
One sec
Nexus
One of the Arquebus frames, I use its core when I'm not using HAL or ALBA
distant forge
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
dawn stag
quite
dawn stag
that's a creature
hollow ridge
my wallet is in danger
frank pivot
Rat Knight is such a fun build
Is it phenomenally ugly? Yeah. But it doesn't really have bad matchups
Which for me is the big thing. I like that you can solo main it to learn with
river junco
…. Rat knight?
chrome bronze
Huh, what does it even do?
frank pivot
you use HMMR in neutral to stuff approaches and deal high damage at decent range, and then you have buerzel + missiles to rat with when necessary
the shield also stuffs a lot of things like shotguns and bazookas
so it has protection against latency, which is how i found it
it's bulky enough to beat most builds by having a dps, stagger, and defense advantage, and if you try to run like a LRB tank against it, you just get missile ratted and timed out
it's very fun to learn how to play with, because learning to cqc against all comers with kicks and whip is crazy fun
chrome bronze
Admittedly I don’t get why it’s using the VE-42 legs for something like this
frank pivot
stability + durability
a lot of the time you can just challenge lights to a "try trading with me" contest over and over by staying at close range
the hand missile is exceptionally good at hitting fleeing players
it's deceptively strong
chrome bronze
Hmm, also wait I thought the basho arms don’t affect the plasma thrower?
frank pivot
they do 😄
frank pivot
they also have a ton of ap for their weight
people are also running lots of variants of this, using like the tian-qiang legs and a bazooka on the arm
i ran it with a harris this morning but honestly it doesn't do anything that the HMMR and kicks don't already do
i think even the creator is tweaking the build still, but the core concept of missile rat + close range behemoth is good
quasi copper
I believe it was that the HMMR charged attack doesn’t take melee spec into account
frank pivot
ah that makes sense 😄
you really don't ever use the hmmr charge on this so i get it
the shield is actually there to be spammed against bazookas so you keep the IG state up for a long period of time
frank pivot
NHP Balrog, you in here? 👀
ripe crow
Trying the "no shop" challange. Just got out of act 2.
frank pivot
XD noooo
frank pivot
Trying the "no shop" challange. Just got out of act 2.
ONE OF US
You having fun with it? 😄
Also the fight vs Steel Haze Ortus has grown on me
The dialogue is so good haha
When his programming works correctly and you get the terminal armor -> repair kit timed juuuuust right
"I'LL CHASE THE CLOUDS FROM OVER RUBICON" my duuuude 😭😭😭
ripe crow
You having fun with it? 😄
Sure. The Illegal Entry helo was embarassingly easy, and Balteus went down 1st try even without OS tunings. I kept running out of bazooka ammo going for all the loghunts in act 2, so I had to replay 086 to pick up the ones I missed. Sea spider went down... second try.
frank pivot
I'm excited to hear your thoughts on builds and weapons
It looks like we agree that the jav alpha is super good
ripe crow
Normally I prefer my stagger punish weapon be on my shoulder, but without shop, I'm basically locked to back missiles.
I might pick up weapon hangar to swap JavA with a handgun of some kind on the fly.
that would give me something to take out trash mobs that's more responsive than a multilock missile
frank pivot
Yeah for missions where i needed to kill mobs i took the nebula
You get it pretty soon in act 3 and it one shots all MTs i think
Also, if you haven't given Javelin Beta a try yet, doooo iiiit
It's so good
ripe crow
I'm running my reactor too close, I dont have the EN load for it.
frank pivot
Have you tried swapping off the wrecker chest?
It's got a negative EN output multiplier, and it's pretty drainy and heavy
ripe crow
but it's so tough and AP-y!
frank pivot
Hey, if you like it you like it
You'll get coral gens soon and your chestpiece won't matter much
ripe crow
yea, I'm not locking myself into a single build.
Bascally I said "C spider is in next mission, how can I survive energy weapon spam."
frank pivot
I do not miss the part where i had to drive VP-20S haha
Yeah, sea spider is the one mission where i ran the gou-chen
Otherwise i found that weapon to be worse than useless
ripe crow
Ironically, I ran the gouchen for 086, but ran the pulse blade for sea spider.
ripe crow
not yet
frank pivot
I ended up with pulse blade + moonlight from NG act 4 through NG++ when you get redshift moonlight
ripe crow
I didnt realize you get a left shoulder weapon this early.
frank pivot
Yeah you only get a couple through the whole run
I found that mostly it was better to just run dual melee
ripe crow
Didnt you say you dont get a second melee until Moonlight?
frank pivot
You get plasma whip before that but i was baaaaad at it
I didn't use it enough
Hilarious considering that I now basically main it in pvp
I felt like NG was all about making it work with whatever was on hand, then NG+ was learning your build, then NG++ was demonstrating mastery over the whole game
ripe crow
I might not take the challange to NG+. We'll see how I handle the later bosses.
I waited too long to learn hardlock, and now I have reactive twitch reflexes to follow dodgy bosses, which breaks hardlock.
ripe crow
One more loghunt rank before I get the mind alpha core, so I might hold out for that one.
frank pivot
I should just copy my pfp as a profile image but i don't wanna get rid of my low effort bullet wizard
Imma miss this dude
river junco
Put him on all of your mechs
serene kettle
I love bullet wizard
Reminds me of some of the ac1/2 emblems in the best possible way
shut sequoia
I am so good at stealth
surreal tundra
Huh, that's another path to take xD
wooden nimbus
What other path do people take
ripe crow
below the left wall, or on top of the right wall.
wooden nimbus
Ohh yeah I only went near there for the loghunt
Figured the best stealth is being nowhere near as many hospitals as possible
Hostiles*
Autocorrect what you mean
halcyon gull
Damn autocorrect.
chrome bronze
I am so good at stealth
I dont know how bad the sensors are on Mts but personally if a giant robot was flying shooting missiles at my allies I'd probably notice it
dawn stag
they're eating burger king in the cockpit and their hands are covered in grease
ripe crow
I'm excited to hear your thoughts on builds and weapons
The Gouchen is interesting. It's got a really high blast radius, which lets it 1 shot entire groups of mid-level MTs, not just generic weapons. It also benifits from Explosive tuning, so I'm running jav/gou and missiles.
chrome bronze
they're eating burger king in the cockpit and their hands are covered in grease
Drenched in buffalo wings
ripe crow
I dont know how bad the sensors are on Mts but personally if a giant robot was f...
Vespers top-down organization means they're afraid to make a report without professional level photography. Which V7 provided, because they're actually all there to document "his" victory in excruciating detail.
chrome bronze
That would actually be extremely in character
dawn stag
he's given them all fancy cameras and the reason the detection time is so long is because they're sat there fiddling with the f-stop and shutter speed
ripe crow
Not even to mention the flash...
proven bison
ripe crow
No shop run- Enforcer took a few tries, but Jav/Gou/needle/kick has a suprisingly nice rotation, if I can actually hit with the kick.
twin estuary
surreal tundra
What other path do people take
I basically tend to go between the two tall buildings to the right- with the MT on top of the left one, then dash into tthe next block with the low walls- then AB to the left thing on the wall, then get around and AB underneath the first ledge/thing to the location
surreal tundra
The Gouchen is interesting. It's got a really high blast radius, which lets it ...
do other bazookas not benefit from tuning?
surreal tundra
Xylem big
https://youtu.be/VRmz4bBguJE?si=OHfXEEt58h8xITQr
huh, the- 26km? measure? is a bit less than I was thinking/remember somewhere lmao
ripe crow
do other bazookas not benefit from tuning?
Other bazookas require the shop
This is in relation to a no-shop NG run
The only other left hand weapon is the basic sword, which does not benifit from explosive tuning
frank pivot
at least the dafeng version of rat knight doesn't give me eye cancer
ripe crow
at least the dafeng version of rat knight doesn't give me eye cancer
dont know if you caught it, but my no shop run is just past Depth 2.
ripe crow
" Enforcer took a few tries, but Jav/Gou/needle/kick has a suprisingly nice rotation, if I can actually hit with the kick."
frank pivot
Yeah being able to crowd it into a wall/corner so its input read dodge lets you still hit it
I found that pretty important in almost all my challenge runs
surreal tundra
Other bazookas require the shop
ohhh
wait does the pilebunker's explosive damage benefit from explosive tuning?
frank pivot
The pilebunker doesn't just do melee dmg?
surreal tundra
apparently I heard someone say the charged explosive doesn't get a bonus from melee tuning at least?
hm,
maybe I should try a no-shop thing somepoint too
dunno if it'd be after this run or another 3/4 runs,
frank pivot
Interesting
surreal tundra
PC yeah
I'll probs end up going with ORTUS parts and whatever has the highest melee tuning I can get my hands on lmao,
frank pivot
If you want, you could just move your current save to an arbitrary folder and start fresh
surreal tundra
would be fun to figure the decals for the new arms
surreal tundra
If you want, you could just move your current save to an arbitrary folder and st...
naw I'm like- on NG++ for this cycle? so just one more run, the other 3 runs are for a modded playthrough- another 3 for another modded playthrough,
it'd definitely force me to try other weapons lmao,
Basically I'm at chapter 1 for NG++ but I can clear it- well, Iunno gimme a few days to really do it lmao, between other stuff,
it'll give me something to do at least,
It's just that I think I'm running out of AC data slots lmao,
ashen monolith
it is mentioned that pile bunker's charge does some level of explosive damage in its blurb, yeah
would have to do some testing to see though
frank pivot
I'll probs end up going with ORTUS parts and whatever has the highest melee tuni...
Just got food! Sry for late response. Highest melee tuning is ephemera
But there are several close options
surreal tundra
mm?
surreal tundra
it is mentioned that pile bunker's charge does some level of explosive damage in...
Mm mm,
surreal tundra
But there are several close options
I don't think they look too bad, I think, together with ORTUS parts
frank pivot
I ran ortus chestpiece
surreal tundra
can you make a decent lightweight during the no-shops btw?
I mean, I guess most of all the frame/internal parts I wanna use are available that way anyways,
but weapons feel a bit more of a tossup
frank pivot
can you make a decent lightweight during the no-shops btw?
Sort of... the problem is that you don't really get dual trigger weapons
So if you don't mind like, curtis + melee as your primary, you have alula boosters, WLT and Ocellus fcs, the alba frame, etc
So you can build pretty light
surreal tundra
Mhm, well I suppose I was always gonna go melee/dual melee- maybe Moonlight as the long range primary alongside the Curtis,
Pulse is a given,,,
ripe crow
Ephenedra core + starter micro reactor for a lightweight no-shop run?
wooden nimbus
no harm in trying
wooden nimbus
Beating up Snail for fun
ripe crow
With the parts from up through Depth 3, this is a possible lightweight build. I could also run it with the Aorta, but I dont like the performance change. it CAN be run with the starter reactor, but I dont read it as worth the loss of performance.
Gonna retune OS for energy/melee, and give it a shot in the arena
ripe crow
First OS tuning wasnt quite right, but once I got past king, it beat Freud second try.
I'll probably try it VS Rusty, but swap back to my explosives build for Ibis.
wooden nimbus
I have to figure out how to counter people who spend their whole match pressing the S key
"Assault Boost into their face" does not seem to work, sadly
halcyon gull
homing missles mostly
wooden nimbus
😔
halcyon gull
or by pressing D so they only go in a circle
wooden nimbus
Think I need to dust off my OG Gleipnir and hunt a few of em down
halcyon gull
so you can set up turrets and such so they end up walking into them
wooden nimbus
They seem to come out of the woodwork when my cqc focused Obundinn comes out
frank pivot
Ephenedra core + starter micro reactor for a lightweight no-shop run?
I did alba core + ngi generator
ripe crow
I think they swapped the Loghunt rewards around- I'm hunter rank 8, and I have orbits but not NGI.
distant forge
this felt good
ripe crow
Shopless Redguns mission
distant forge
this felt good
every blade swipe still hit me despite me dodging it on my screen but hey what can ya do
they proceeded to kick my ass for 2 rounds
ripe crow
I did alba core + ngi generator
Is it really worth the upgrade if you dont need the EN limit?
frank pivot
Is it really worth the upgrade if you dont need the EN limit?
i really like high EN capacity, it's totally up to you though! 😄
i did redguns with a Nebula, Jav Alpha, Moonlight, and Pulse Blade
it was really fun
distant forge
Is it really worth the upgrade if you dont need the EN limit?
yes
if you have the weight capacity the ngi is 9 quintillion times better
frank pivot
that's my opinion too
distant forge
with the higher capacity u can invest way harder into the "generate a fuckton of EN at once" style
frank pivot
NGI is easily the best gen for high speed play
frank pivot
i personally think on builds that can hit over 4000 regen with it, san tai is better
but overall NGI is a top tier gen
distant forge
because the sheer quickboost spam it enables
and how you have to pay even less attention to whatever your EN bar is doing
ripe crow
Rusty down- easier than I remember it being. But Ibis doesnt hang out in laser pistol range, right?
frank pivot
i'd bet a light could catch ibis 😄
you'll be getting a lot of mileage out of assault armoring the opening swoop attack and then going for a big punish
frank pivot
oh, you can kill ibis with pretty much anything with enough patience
but if i'm being lazy i just go for the instant auto stagger + giga punish with melee or something
what expansion do you use if not AA?
ripe crow
Right. I'm going to swap over to "my explosions shoot explsions" build and reset the OS for it.
frank pivot
xD nice
ripe crow
And I DID manage to get all the combat logs on the 1st run through of Coral converngence.
hollow ridge
Spoilers for the entire game, but this is awesome ||https://www.reddit.com/r/armoredcore/s/p1e1HBZlmC ||
distant forge
Ok yeah that fucks
distant forge
fastest match i have ever had
ripe crow
...And she's soundly kicking my butt, even after swapping to the lightweight build for better evasion
eager vector
i just realized that an Enkidu cosplay in AC6 is very doable
frank pivot
How are you liking ngi?
ripe crow
well, I swapped to it for ayer, and I'm not winning, so...
frank pivot
XD
Ayre suffers against moonlight
Especially coming off ephemera arms, you can dodge behind her slash -> single hit moonlight
Works every time
frank pivot
my experience with whip + shield is enough to where i can win on midweight bipeds with it against most randos now
so i can have fun in pvp with variety builds now! yay!
but mostly i just want to take pretty pictures lol
distant forge
that looks dope as fuck
ive been meaning to try a rat knight style build but im just like
unsure where to even start
im so addicted to lightweights
how do i let myself put on a little fat
frank pivot
how do i let myself put on a little fat
ikr
it's addicting once you get used to it
this is a good starting point
i will stop spamming sundowner soon
i promise
okey done
eager vector
my experience with whip + shield is enough to where i can win on midweight biped...
do you have a video that demonstrates how to use and/or deal with whip+shield?
frank pivot
I should make one!
I do not. But the essence is this: you can usually combo kick into whip
And then shield their response
You can also spam the shield to have effectively 75% damage reduction for a pretty long period which helps against laggy heavy weapons
distant forge
i also fucking hate the buerezel
frank pivot
Nobody has figured out a way to beat it systematically yet besides outskilling the pilot
It has no unstoppably dominating matchups besides cqc lightweights, but it also has no real hard counters
ripe crow
After memorizing a setup that drops Ayre's shield on the first pass... 75% of the time? and a few other punishes, I finally grinded out a FoR ending on No Shop. I could keep going, but Snail II Electric Bogaloo will probably be just as much of an obstical.
Bait with verts, charge moonlight that tracks the evade with hardlock, Ayre counters with melee, but the moonlight does just enough damage that an Assault armor drops the shield. Punish with needle and JavA.
frank pivot
xD did you just not want to learn her dodge windows?
ripe crow
I'm a middle/heavyweight player. It's more about learning when she fails HER dodge windows.
frank pivot
haha
ripe crow
The bird snatch attack hurts, but she's actually pretty confused after she does it, and you can get a few salvos off while you're still in the air afterward. Phase two start, as long as you fly over the shadowclones, she will charge STRAIGHT at you, irregardless of any projectile you put in her path.
Also, I should have gone to bed 2 hours ago. :p
surreal tundra
With the parts from up through Depth 3, this is a possible lightweight build. I ...
Huh
I almost completely forgot I can't get the schnieder legs zmcxn
Actually geting lightweight parts will need the ALBA frame lmao, but this doesn't seem that bad. What's the left back?
surreal tundra
BASHOs are solely bought right?
Hrm,
wait-
the junk arms, are they alright for melee focus?
frank pivot
BASHOs are solely bought right?
Hrm,
wait-
the junk arms, are they alright for m...
they are the best ones for melee by a long shot
i think it's like, 116 to 158
from 2nd best to best
(ignoring the junk arms)
serene kettle
The junk arms are surprisingly usable tbh
frank pivot
the junk arms actually have the 2nd highest melee adjust in the game
surreal tundra
yeah, cuz I remembered that about their melee adjust lmao
surreal tundra
how bad is their firearm performance?
surreal tundra
how much on the Ephemera?
How much of a bonus do you get for going over or under 100 btw?
frank pivot
it's a straight percentage increase, unlike on generators
ephemera is like 106 or something
serene kettle
Melander C3 has like 108 or something iirc
frank pivot
almost all arms are interchangeable for melee except basho
which is the clear winner
serene kettle
Yeah
Kinda wish there was a bit more variance in the upper level or Basho made a meaningful sacrifice
As is basho is pretty much the only arm to seriously consider if you’re doing melee, usually
surreal tundra
Mhm,
surreal tundra
117 on VP-46
do you get these on no-shop runs?
frank pivot
do you get these on no-shop runs?
no, my favorite no-shop arms were the ephemeras
very lightweight for the stats they give you
surreal tundra
so, not worth it to go jailbreak?
also my goddess the BASHO+Knife is- wow
pulse+dagger on BASHO,
frank pivot
it's a 6% melee damage increase in trade for a whopping 50% decrease in recoil control and firearm spec
frank pivot
also my goddess the BASHO+Knife is- wow
do you know about the assault armor trick?
surreal tundra
pulse+dagger on BASHO,
the only swap I'd do is with one of 'em for oscillator lmao
surreal tundra
do you know about the assault armor trick?
what trick?
frank pivot
if you stagger someone, hit them with the pulse dagger combo, and then they try to either assault armor or pulse armor
you can counter on reaction with your own assault armor
get another free stagger
and because of the very high cooling on the laser dagger, it will be ready to go again
that's how my redguns cosplay AC works haha
it staggers, then combos, then either gets to reset for free or kill for free