||Arquebus, Balam and the PCA still existing after the fires of raven ending implies they still exist in other places and are still large and powerful enough to all enforce the barring of Rubicon||
#Armored Core General!
chrome bronze
midnight pine
||Arquebus, Balam and the PCA still existing after the fires of raven ending imp...
||right but that still doesnt say too much about the general scale of human civilization||
halcyon gull
|| What was known about Coral is that it caused voices to happen in augumentation's, and ingested like a drug. From what we know, they never considered coral a species and was just a really good universal thing. ||
chrome bronze
||right but that still doesnt say too much about the general scale of human civi...
||I mean I guess but like, when dealing with worldbuilding we kinda have to assume if it’s not pointed out to us, it’s normal||
||So unless it’s pointed out that humanity is near extinction, we kinda gotta assume the population is fine||
summer trellis
lightest nuker build i could think of
modern hornet
||"However, one must not overlook the signs of mutations within the Coral brought about by this density effect: it is mutations such as these that will bring about a collapse that humanity has no hope of controlling." <- straight from a data log you can find in-game.||
frank pivot
@summer trellis try out the vientos
they generate a lot more stagger to get off nuke punishes 😄
halcyon gull
||"However, one must *not* overlook the signs of *mutations* within the Coral br...
|| They still considered it fuel. Or...whatever universal thing it was considered. Mutations just means that something changed permanently in the coral.||
summer trellis
Also vins don’t feel good to play
dawn stag
got through a lot of NG++ today (strider to depths 2) and finished off by working on a new build, Knight Errant
I haven't had the chance to try it out much but it seems pretty good
stuck surge
||Coral tries to pack itself together as densely as possible, and it grows exponentially faster the denser it gets. (Seemingly violating conservation of energy.) Overseer was worried about Coral reaching the vacuum of space, where it could achieve near-maximum density and grow without limit, probably collapsing into a black hole, which might or might not continue to grow exponentially.||
dawn stag
no spoilers please
ripe crow
I might still be missing some non-frame parts
nod frame, non internal parts, I have those achievements.
3 hidden achievements remaining
ripe crow
found the last weapon, which is the last part. 1 hidden achievement remaining
distant forge
have u s-ranked everything?
wait no of course u havent u just finished
i believe thats the last one but i could be wrong
ripe crow
ugg. I A ranked act 1 in my first playthrough. S rank does not sound appealing
Just got my first Nest win ever...
dawn stag
for most missions I don't think S rank is that bad
I've replayed some to get combat logs and stuff and just got S ranks without trying
cursive agate
Some missions are a build challenge, others may take specific routing to go fast enough
ripe crow
I think m entire NG++ run, aside from a few ct 1 missions, were done with Spring Chicken Gats/Songbird/stun needle
distant forge
s-ranks vary in difficulty but they're mostly just time-consuming
serene kettle
only a few missions are truly hard to S-rank, yeah
it's usually just a case of finding a good build to zoom through
speed is usually paramount
frank pivot
Do you think the PCA has space rangers
Or has america surpassed science fiction yet again
proven bison
Nah they don't have any, they have an extremely specialized tool they use called fuck off massive laser satellite
serene kettle
well, and a fleet of ships (as seen in ||the Karman Line||)
river junco
So
NG++ ending question
||does allmind wanna hijack the coral to make a hive mind for herself? It seems like she ate a bunch of people’s consciousness||
frank pivot
idk, i subscribe to the ||she just wants to support mercenaries as she was programmed to, and the best way to support them is to make them evolve or something||
||typical AI, always the same||
stuck surge
Just learned the hard way that arena opponents have infinite ammo
river junco
Spoilers and such
surreal tundra
what range benefits the coral rifle? honestly I think I rely more on the drones/melee with how the build is meant to be setup- but very much "fashioncore/only just a bit overloaded"
Ocellus was another bit of Institute/RRI equipment right? if I'm gonna be up close most of the time for melee maybe I could swap to that if I wanna just go ahead and stuff, huh,
oh yeah-
had a sudden thought about the Sappho frame and making that into 621-Raven somehow lmao, with Ayre as the NHP and- y'know,
tho admittedly the license goes a bit more into using the pilot in the fight more than would fit in AC6, so maybe alternate parts,
urban knoll
Which coral rifle? Redshift or WLT?
surreal tundra
WLT
I just- really wanna use the WLT lmao,
giant beam
even if I already have the oscillator
river junco
Sappho frame….
Gay mech…..
Oh I really gotta write fic now that I’m fully finished w the game huh
surreal tundra
Oh I really gotta write fic now that I’m fully finished w the game huh
oho? XD
urban knoll
WLT
WLT generally work best at close to medium range, if you want to focus on being effective, use the 1st stage charge
A neat thing about the 2nd stage charge is that it doesn't instantly overheat the rifle so if you miss the beam
You can QB out of it and start charging again
surreal tundra
WLT generally work best at close to medium range, if you want to focus on being ...
Uh huh, so close/medium is where it all goes, works for most all of the stuff in the build besides the drones- or even them,
urban knoll
If you want to be cheeky
If they are at long range you can try to snipe with the beam for a big chunk of impact
surreal tundra
true, since it's manual aimed anyways
urban knoll
I did it a few times beyond 450m before the FCS kicks in
Most people won't expect it
Since they only activate combat mode when the FCS kicks in at 450m
surreal tundra
lmao
urban knoll
So go for the long range snipe
If you miss, just QB and start charging again for when they get close
If you're using laser drones, fully charge and send them out
Wait about 1.5 to 2 seconds
Then charged oscillator
surreal tundra
Wait about 1.5 to 2 seconds
for the charge or after launching?
urban knoll
After launching
surreal tundra
Mm
urban knoll
If the timing is right, the oscillator will hitstun them for the drones to hit them for the last bit of ACS damage into ACS overload
Then you power wash them with the beam
surreal tundra
mm, keeping all that in manual aim would probs make that easier lmao
urban knoll
If you're running the same weapons as I do
And running manual aim all the time
You can pick whatever arms you want
surreal tundra
admittedly I wouldn't be able to practice all these outside of arena fights lmao,
urban knoll
Because you're not using your FCS, you can afford your arms being overburdened
surreal tundra
but very much appreciated
urban knoll
Who do you use to practice in arena?
surreal tundra
no one really, I just rush through cuz I've been going through the different mod iterations
and then going back to the latest patch after this or the next mod,
surreal tundra
If you're running the same weapons as I do
drone, oscillator, WLT rifle?
do you use a second drone or some other thing for the left shoulder?
urban knoll
Yep, I run double drones
surreal tundra
Mm mm,
admittedly- might be a bit heavy with the ALBA frame+BASHO arms lmao
so I had to swap one of them to a pulse blade so it's not too heavy
urban knoll
Too heavy for the Alba legs?
surreal tundra
yeah
I use the heavier coral gen plus the NGI, maybe I could pick a much lighter FCS, buuut yeah
and I haven't tested what'd fit for speed in the latest patch
urban knoll
You can use the starter FCS if you manual aim
surreal tundra
and I haven't tested what'd fit for speed in the latest patch
cuz I'm still in the 2nd ending with this mod lmao, and I wanna S-rank the boss missions once I unlock the oscillator
beat all the bosses with the build
surreal tundra
You can use the starter FCS if you manual aim
Mm mm, that's the lightest and lowest EN-load right?
urban knoll
Yep
If you're using it in the story, do take care that some enemies read your inputs so it might be a bit tougher
Most obvious is ||Nightfall|| in the arena
surreal tundra
mm mm, noted
surreal tundra
oh, it's been a while since I fought them vanilla,,, are they harder with the part changes now?
urban knoll
Not really? I could still body them
But when testing builds out
I get pilebunkered
surreal tundra
Mm mm
urban knoll
There is always a .5 game for AC
dawn stag
my favourite from soft game didn't get DLC so I will be forever wary
urban knoll
At least this guarantees that AC won't enter another 10 year slumber
dawn stag
I am all for getting more AC games
maybe we'll start seeing armored core likes now lol
halcyon gull
AC aren't big stomby, they are big floaty speedy
dawn stag
some of them are stompy
halcyon gull
even the most stompy are much more floaty than battletech mech
dawn stag
ye they do fly around
south oracle
battletech jumpjet could be faster really
urban knoll
AC aren't big stomby, they are big floaty speedy
https://youtu.be/GDHbDbPydZ4?si=rtEOS58PvE_nJsKn
Here's my counterargument
halcyon gull
Hmmm Challenge run...
I would say my point still stands. Battletech are big stompy mech babies.
AC's are mech bird people gymnasts
surreal tundra
battletech jumpjet could be faster really
how fast?
surreal tundra
I would say my point still stands. Battletech are big stompy mech babies.
AC's a...
you gotta try to make ACs super slow, usually anyways
south oracle
oh no I mean battletech jumpjet could honestly be faster in story
I guess it was because it's a figment of being something born of the 80s, of things being slow and lumbering while machines keep getting faster and faster these days
surreal tundra
Mhm,
hm, when was the first AC game? cuz I think ACs were always kinda speedy for their size,
dawn stag
1997
surreal tundra
Mhm,
well not quite the 80s then,
dawn stag
but gundam was in the 80s and they zip around in space in that so
surreal tundra
Fair, tho i think they still like- ran around if they weren't using their thrusters, just that they always has boosting as an option, or something
dawn stag
I haven't seen it
I'm unclear what dk is actually saying about speed and things from the 80s
surreal tundra
Fair fair, tho like- really- what's the lowest speed you can get in an AC? at least for AC6?
dawn stag
0m/s
surreal tundra
pffft- I mean like, consistently ground boosting
if you don't just choose to walk lmao,
dawn stag
I would do so well in a race to see who is slowest
surreal tundra
huh, I wonder how fast walking actually it-
I think you walking in AC6 actaully does still keep you at like 70 or 80 kph?
anyways that's a whole tangent about speed,
dawn stag
I wonder what units the speedo is in
surreal tundra
I wonder what units the speedo is in
might be kph,
might be the most consistent way to read it,
dawn stag
I'm m/s pilled
surreal tundra
mm mm, thankee
but this is with a basically borderline unusable build in terms of speed- well at least to me it is- and it's still like, as fast as a racecar/faster than practically anything its weight class in Battletech,
halcyon gull
I got it to be deployable
surreal tundra
*at least if you swap from kph to mps
halcyon gull
halcyon gull
overburdened
surreal tundra
i mean the numbers zmxnc
surreal tundra
167, literally like- as fast as the RX-78-2?
halcyon gull
I don't have my usual tool of capturing specific parts of information sadly
halcyon gull
it has enough fire power to wipe out alot
...god am I gonna go test this against a boss
yes, yes I am
dawn stag
that'd be some crazy numbers
I mean they are really big and orbit capable so
halcyon gull
MAN I wish they had just "Fight this boss mission"
dawn stag
mach 1.5 doesn't seem that much of a stretch
surreal tundra
that thing's almost 90 tons, is as fast as the original Gundam's top speed (also more than 2x the original gundam's empty weight and about 1.5x its max), and it's half its size- and it'd still be boosting circles around any Battlemech close to its weight, and probs any that're half its weight too
halcyon gull
okay I'm gonna go fight ||ayre since that's the only fight that's a real test.||
surreal tundra
I mean they are really big and orbit capable so
350-400 m/s is 1260-1440 kph lmao
surreal tundra
okay I'm gonna go fight ||ayre since that's the only fight that's a real test.||
hoooboi
ganbatte,
dawn stag
350-400 m/s is 1260-1440 kph lmao
yeah, that's only like mach 1.2
surreal tundra
IIRC gen4 had explicit km/h in its reading?
halcyon gull
okay first try, WOEFUL I just spammed so hard.
surreal tundra
I think
dawn stag
400m/s seems reasonable to me for a huge sci fi mecha with a giant ass booster on it
surreal tundra
400m/s seems reasonable to me for a huge sci fi mecha with a giant ass booster o...
which is fair too, I definitely wanna go faster lmao,
dawn stag
I'm saying I don't think the numbers are crazy
halcyon gull
okay yeah I'm gona stop after this second attempt and go arena like...someone else
because this is so goofy and hilarious
dawn stag
you could definitely work out what the units are though
because the game is properly scaled in-engine
halcyon gull
my god I feel like a slug
dawn stag
it's hard to intuit speed because of the scale
halcyon gull
okay...if I can LAND the shots, it's just a solid
now let's slowly make this unburdened to see the stretch of a potential build
surreal tundra
because this is so goofy and hilarious
XD
halcyon gull
I am now able to deploy it
surreal tundra
it's hard to intuit speed because of the scale
I think it's in the km/h, like previous games, unless the actual time that passes is inaccurate and we're seeing things in slow-motion/slower than they should be in-lore,
at the least someone calced/checked and the Xylem is like 42-46km? the closure satellite is like 11km? ICE WORM is at least 1km when not pulled as far as it could be, and IIRC Strider is like 5km?
surreal tundra
I am now able to deploy it
what's the weight unit?
halcyon gull
trust me I tried to make it bipedal
dawn stag
km/h makes the most sense but I automatically read any unknown speed as m/s (I am always wrong)
surreal tundra
trust me I tried to make it bipedal
almost 100 tons XD
halcyon gull
because bipedal is more funny when you have so much crap on you
and this is acceptably deployable
surreal tundra
and still 244 km/h
halcyon gull
now I am gonna go to a mech that is what I would use normally
surreal tundra
and still 244 km/h
*as in still fast in abstract terms
dawn stag
the last time I looked at the speed my lightweight build was boosting at 380
surreal tundra
km/h makes the most sense but I automatically read any unknown speed as m/s (I a...
XD
fair lmao
dawn stag
everything should be in SI
halcyon gull
and this is what I would use normally
the fact that this AC is somehow faster than the 78 does make me stop and go "Okay hold on."
dawn stag
the SSME boosters are good
surreal tundra
the fact that this AC is somehow faster than the 78 does make me stop and go "Ok...
78?
halcyon gull
uhhh Gundam RX 78
dawn stag
I mean ultimately the quoted speed of a gundam is entirely arbitrary
halcyon gull
it's scaled within the gundam verse at the time so a fast gundam is Fast
dawn stag
they made that up for an animated tv show in like 1980
surreal tundra
fair lmao,
dawn stag
there's no reason it would have any bearing or relation to a video game from 2023
surreal tundra
they probs have some wild numbers if you used certain visuals,
halcyon gull
but once you take it out of context, it does make you go "huh...not that bad."
surreal tundra
like someone calced Aerial's speed/acceleration (probs acceleration from the maneuvers) as pretty crazy during the melee in ep9, I forget the numbers,
surreal tundra
but once you take it out of context, it does make you go "huh...not that bad."
yeah, def not bad
tho I still wanna go faster XD
Honestly- how close the camera is in AC6 vs AC4 makes it harder to deal with when you're going fast in close range lmao, is what I found playing with the mods people made, tho it does back away/FoV increases sometimes apparently- I hink it's cuz if you're fast enough forwards you leave the camera behind and whatnot
halcyon gull
I have only done it once.
this is genhuinely the second time I'm trying (well second session I'm trying)
hmmm nope I'm stopping that.
surreal tundra
mrrew, mm mm
I think I fought her with- dual drones, pulse blade, Zimmer? was in 1.01
actually I think I was in a hurry,
so that might have been for ||ALLMIND|| instead- or-
i swear I beat one of the ||SOL-644||s with a Sweet Sixteen and pulse blade- probs dual drones,
halcyon gull
found the stream of the build I beat her with back in like...update 1.01
surreal tundra
mm mm,
honestly my laptop definitely can't handle sharing AC6 over discord lmao,
halcyon gull
That's fair, I built a gaming/streaming pc years ago to do that, and now I can with my better net
surreal tundra
BMLs- I assume those are missile launchers? I definitely haven't used those as much l mao,
halcyon gull
that build still took 40+ minutes and number of immediate restarts to get just enough luck
surreal tundra
vertical plasmas are- they're alright aren't they? I think,,,
once I started using the laser drones they worked pretty well most cases I think, just pop them one after another/staggered and let them help your shotguns build up stagger-
I think I used the pulse blade for a lot of the boss fights cuz it's just too good for its costs I think,
surreal tundra
that build still took 40+ minutes and number of immediate restarts to get just e...
oof, good you got it in the end, yeah?
halcyon gull
Yeah, I did.
surreal tundra
||so- 1st ending? OH RIGHT- i forgot fighting her was the bad ending- I did her first ending too||
saem i just remembered zmcxn
halcyon gull
The moment I did it
halcyon gull
that was all of chapter 5 I believe in that one stream.
surreal tundra
"FoR" or something,
halcyon gull
hah nice
now my general build is just double songbird, pile driver, scudder while using basho
surreal tundra
"FoR" or something,
I think the data file was like- "Luxbreak FoR"?
or was it just "Fires of Raven"?
surreal tundra
now my general build is just double songbird, pile driver, scudder while using b...
I think I'm gonna try a more melee-focused build through most of the game next time I get back to Vanilla (so after this mod's run and after I beat the bosses with my final final build/fighting-||ALLMIND|| build)
maybe I can actually use the laserblade now lmao,
or not
BASHO arms unlock when?
halcyon gull
....uhh
like chapter...2-ish?
the missles I used actually were pretty damn good, maybe that's why double song bird won't work against her.
cursive agate
Songbirds are pretty hard to land without a large opening, or splashing the floor because of the 2-shot burst factor.
halcyon gull
I noticed I could not land them consistently. and if I did it was always me taking a hit.
I ended up stopping and not continuing because no
surreal tundra
like chapter...2-ish?
got it XD
I'll probs stick to those- swapping to laser pistols in a pinch if need be,
halcyon gull
I say that with big unsure energy.
surreal tundra
Are songbirds for stagger or for stagger punish?
halcyon gull
the way I used them, both.
but I also will use them to stagger to let me pilebunker
halcyon gull
THUNKTHUNK, THUNKTHUNK
surreal tundra
and a metallic thunk with a ring XD
surreal tundra
Songbirds are pretty hard to land without a large opening, or splashing the floo...
in general? or against her in particular?
halcyon gull
in general.
If the target you're fighting is super agile, or just dodges alot more they are super hard to land.
surreal tundra
Mm mm, I think they'd get me killed given how I plan to go speedy anyways lmao,
halcyon gull
especially with the committed firing pose
which you can boost out of before they fire to cancel it
cursive agate
I've been using Earshot more for that reason if I have space for it, though Songbirds can be nice if your build supports it/can't fit Earshot.
surreal tundra
laser pistols are still pretty good DPS right?
hm, can the Basho arms handle a pair?
cursive agate
Pretty easily I think, they have low recoil
surreal tundra
mm mm- recoil affects how quickly you can fire? or just the accuracy?
cursive agate
Recoil Control affects how much Recoil messes with your accuracy, and how fast your recover accuracy.
surreal tundra
Pretty easily I think, they have low recoil
got it, I'll see if I can run Nacht legs+maybe Core if it's good enough now+BASHO arms and probs nacht head lmao,
cursive agate
Basho arms essentially turn melee into your main weapon, worth keeping in mind
surreal tundra
Recoil Control affects how much Recoil messes with your accuracy, and how fast y...
oh, so if you're up close anyways and with low-recoil weapons- probs good right?
cursive agate
Yea, probably
surreal tundra
Basho arms essentially turn melee into your main weapon, worth keeping in mind
yeah, I think I'll do it that way- if the DPS is good enough with pulse blade+laserblade, not sure what to keep on the right arm tho,
shotgun? haldeman?
plasma vert?
halcyon gull
normally something that doesn't have to worry about firearm stuff
surreal tundra
so probs a shotgun then?
halcyon gull
if you do basho because it's like 50 fireamr profiency or something
cursive agate
Shotgun can be a good option since you're waiting for solid shots instead of shooting right away
surreal tundra
mm mm,
plasma verts track well right? iunno if they always did or if that was me remembering the mod more than base game lmao
cursive agate
if you do basho because it's like 50 fireamr profiency or something
*53 Firearm Spec, which noticeably makes your firearm aim worse.
halcyon gull
yeah. I know I Shouldnt have a scudder equipped but I do.
surreal tundra
basicaly all these combined negate the need for EN wep-spec and aiming lmao,
cursive agate
Plasma Vertical is brutal to fully avoid, though it won't deal full damage unless the target sits inside the clouds.
surreal tundra
so, gonna be fun playing around with the other generators for once, tho I do like the Coral Red most and the ion-blue 2nd
but I might stick with Aorta once I get it cuz- red
fashion
lmao
i can't use anythign other than the C-gens zmcnx
cursive agate
I've found the electric/coral generators work fine with most energy builds, running the VE-20 line is for really speccing into firepower over mobility/flexibility.
surreal tundra
mm mm,
so this might work out,
I think the 1.01 build I ran had like- pulse+zimmer/dual laser pistols,
stagger then spam with laser pistols,
not sure if it was optimal/as optimal as it could be
dawn stag
I don't really understand the coral generators
surreal tundra
but I think it did decent,
dawn stag
they have decent capacity but you have to run them all the way down to get any recovery and that recovery is still slower than a regular generator
surreal tundra
I don't really understand the coral generators
make them run out- go ham/burst movements and make the most of it,
dawn stag
I'm only using one on knight errant for the drip
since it's supposed to be a coral powered relic
urban knoll
Coral generators work on post recovery supply
surreal tundra
make them run out- go ham/burst movements and make the most of it,
if there's a lull in combat then i just dash until it's recharged,
urban knoll
So the longer delay is compensated by you getting at least 70% of your EN back when it kicks in
dawn stag
Coral generators work on post recovery supply
yeah but even taking that into account they just seem worse
dawn stag
energy already refills basically instantly when you land
cursive agate
they have decent capacity but you have to run them all the way down to get any r...
Mid-air recovery is the biggest reason, and being able to dump Recovery entirely.
urban knoll
Because that affects your regular regen
Not your Post Recovery Supply
So having 1.5k EN supply or 10k EN supply doesn't matter to Coral gens
dawn stag
I'm terminally souls brained I'm not running out my energy constantly
cursive agate
I've pulled out Coral Generator builds before because I don't touch the ground much in some missions/builds.
dawn stag
if I want to stay up I just use gridwalker
cursive agate
4-ish
surreal tundra
yeah,
I can usually count "one, two, three, four-"
with the warning sound
fun rhythm thing
dawn stag
I tend to use the san-tai, the tiny energy spec one, or the big blue one that looks like two of the small blue one taped together
cursive agate
Aorta has 3000 Capacity, while NGI 000 has 4400 Capacity
surreal tundra
ohhhh
urban knoll
Coral gives you cool red flames as well 
dawn stag
but I'm not often running out of energy, I guess just the way I play I'm usually wanting to regenerate from like halfway
or 90% down
surreal tundra
jumping and with good boost speed you can usually avoid things normally anyways,
I think I could practice circle/square dodging with it lmao,
dawn stag
and I find having the extra 10% to emergency dodge something more valuable than taking like half a second longer to get the energy back
urban knoll
And that's perfectly fine, just means the Coral gens not for you
dawn stag
or being able to actually regen without draining all the way first
cursive agate
I've been using the Aorta more often beause of it's faster Supply Recovery, combined with a Supply Recovery core to speed it up.
Coral generators notably save weight compared to similar EN Output generators.
dawn stag
yeah I guess I just wanted to know if I was missing something
urban knoll
Nah, corals meant for a different playstyle
dawn stag
I'll be doing chapter 5 with one anyway so we'll see how that goes
urban knoll
Using Coral means you can forgo EN supply as a stat so you can field high EN load weapons
cursive agate
The downtime is more berable to fast frames that can passively dodge attacks.
surreal tundra
the tempo of it needs a change in playstyle, it's kinda like reloading a magazine
urban knoll
Yep
dawn stag
I think knight errant is decently fast, it just feels slow to me because I've been playing lightweights the whole time
cursive agate
Big change from Combustion Generators that (refund) fast, but tend to have less up-front refund (except Yaba).
urban knoll
Another way to play Coral is to use it for aerial
Then once you redline it, just fall and use the momentum to dodge attacks till the regen kicks in
surreal tundra
the tempo of it needs a change in playstyle, it's kinda like reloading a magazin...
fun for twitchy hands or long lasting enemy attack combos, I think
at least it works for me and stuff,
urban knoll
I also use coral for some speed builds
I play very aggressively till it redlines then bunnyhop and play passively till regen kicks in
Rinse and repeat
surreal tundra
I play very aggressively till it redlines then bunnyhop and play passively till ...
yeah! pretty much that style,
urban knoll
Since they are lighter than say a San-tai
surreal tundra
or well,
keep up the pressure with drones or other,
then when an opening's up and my EN is charged, dive back in with the shorter ranged main weapons lmao
cursive agate
The lower EN Firearm Spec of San-Tai (88 spec) really gives it different uses from the NGI 000 (110 spec) coral gen too.
dawn stag
I think I might have to swap to melander arms on my guy purely for aesthetics even though they are objectively worse
dawn stag
my love of video game fashion and desire to optimise builds clash yet again
surreal tundra
forgot if it jumps higher
dawn stag
I can also put decals on the melander arms whereas the ephemera ones are like un decal able
frank pivot
I play very aggressively till it redlines then bunnyhop and play passively till ...
My favorite thing with coral builds is to nearly redline, bait your opponent into going all in, then dodge
It's so funny
frank pivot
We are so back
Where'd you find this?
urban knoll
Friend sent it but it's been confirmed from one of the VAs that AC6 sold 2.8 million
frank pivot
Sweet 😄
distant forge
yayyyyyyyy i s ranked alt balteus first try
distant forge
AC: STRANGE DESIRE II
dawn stag
funky lookin
distant forge
it is indeed strange
dawn stag
what's strange desire 1
distant forge
the one in the first picture lol
dawn stag
^^
distant forge
called strange desire because this is the ac in which ||ayre and (fem) raven do esoteric psycho-sapphic cyber-intimacy||
||imagine me holding ayre and raven like two action figures and making them kiss by clanking them together thats what i do in my little mind palace||
dawn stag
what is that spoilers for
chrome bronze
called strange desire because this is the ac in which ||ayre and (fem) raven do ...
A student of Mikazuki
distant forge
not spoilers for anything just my headcanon for ayre and raven being useless lesbians
distant forge
i mean come on like, in the mission where ur exploring the xylem and she's just like "yunno its just the two of us, the last beacon isnt going anywhere, take your time ;)"
shes DOWN BAD
dawn stag
called strange desire because this is the ac in which ||ayre and (fem) raven do ...
is this a metal gear reference btw
chrome bronze
i mean come on like, in the mission where ur exploring the xylem and she's just ...
Also I always feel bad for that line because the way I do that mission I’m always like at the final place by the time she says it
dawn stag
on my second run I actually stopped and just hung out for a while
chrome bronze
So it’s like “take your time raven” as I’m accessing the final objective
dawn stag
I think I went and got a chest
halcyon gull
I once got to the spot so quickly she started to say it and was cut off
dawn stag
because I felt bad for blitzing through it the first time lol
distant forge
thank god for ao3
chrome bronze
Honestly I do wish there was some dialogue from her if you didn’t access it for a while
Just an acknowledgment you’re taking your time
dawn stag
the game was out for like 2 days before there was sapphic art of them
distant forge
raven and rusty and ayre (all women of course)
the perfect polycule
i like to headcanon that raven knows ASL
dawn stag
I think 621 is allowed to be platonic friends with rusty
distant forge
or like, what, RSL? rubiconian sign language?
river junco
I think I like
dawn stag
they are buddies
distant forge
ok but i want them to kiss kiss
dawn stag
I think sign language 621 is good
dawn stag
since they're the only character we never hear speak, although they do communicate with others
distant forge
my favorite intepretations of raven being mute are either, sign language, or collar with communicator like the dog from up
dawn stag
second one is tragic
river junco
They communicate with others but are seemingly unable to do so mid mission
distant forge
i like the second one because it means as a fic writer i dont have to absolutely butcher sign language portrayal
river junco
Ayre speaking through the collar for them tho
Like them talking to ayre in their head, and ayre telling people what they’re saying
distant forge
raven's "voice" is just the COM voice through the collar speaker
but then she becomes a girl (projecting so hard) and changes it to something else
imagine the tiktok text to speech voice
distant forge
something new
distant forge
id imagine something like
the computer voice from star trek tng
feminine and soft but cold and monotone
river junco
mhmhm
I think I'm gonna go with my ayre idea for a bit in fic actually that sounds super cute
distant forge
river junco
"Excuse me she asked for no pickles" but it's just the voice from her helmet
also the longer i think about NG++ route the funnier it gets
dawn stag
no spoilers
river junco
||Iguazu is literally the same as you IE allmind is buzzing in his head, but he just seems to think he's going crazy||
any spoilers will be under spoiler tags and at that point it's on you :p
dawn stag
just making sure
chrome bronze
I think 621 is allowed to be platonic friends with rusty
That’s fair but also I think they’re dating
dawn stag
that's a good one
river junco
oh I love that
Ayre is so cute
have yall heard her dialogue if you wait on nepenthes
chrome bronze
What mission?
dawn stag
I don't think so
dawn stag
What mission?
depths 1
river junco
uhhh the Depth One exploration
that yeah
if you wait a little while she looks up what nepenthes is named after
chrome bronze
Ohhh
river junco
and is like "woah raven you should google this later this is cool"
distant forge
shes so naive and adorable and i want to give her the biggest hug
among other things
chrome bronze
…Emily I’m not sure how much she’ll benefit from that
Being a non physical being
ROSE
dawn stag
chrome bronze
river junco
…Emily I’m not sure how much she’ll benefit from that
Idk we cna build her a lil robot body
distant forge
why landowner ayre
river junco
idk
distant forge
ayre but shes ur landlord
river junco
my brain is working at like 3% capacity today fellas
distant forge
if my landlord was in my head i think i'd just fuckin lose it
chrome bronze
if my landlord was in my head i think i'd just fuckin lose it
“Raven, rent is due in a week Raven”
“Raven you’ll lose your deposit if you keep damaging the building”
“Raven, Walter isn’t paying his cut of rent. Is he getting any of the jobs payment?”
distant forge
raven and ayre are just elster and ariane from signalis
i know nothing about signalis i just know i keep seeing art of them making out on my twitter tl
chrome bronze
Hopefully Ayre and Raven’s story goes better
river junco
Lmao
halcyon gull
Ayre but she only ever pilots an AC near Raven in general.
Meaning all meetings with Raven has to be outside and/or with alot of glass to allow Ayre as a giant AC to see too
chrome bronze
Artists deciding wether Ayre will have white or red hair:
halcyon gull
they are weak.
Pink hair because if you combine the two, that's what you get.
dawn stag
a compromise satisfies nobody
chrome bronze
Take a side
halcyon gull
No, there's a peaceful, and better way to get through this.
chrome bronze
fierce laurel
Therapist: It's ok, V.II Snail, Bisexual Vaporraven isn't real and can't hurt you
Bisexual Vaporraven:
river junco
Anyway human Ayre has white hair and red eyes
Cause she’s albino
That’s my position
river junco
Therapist: It's ok, V.II Snail, Bisexual Vaporraven isn't real and can't hurt yo...
Incredible thank u
fierce laurel
share codessss
peak prawn
https://youtu.be/gYNlJQ-dIuY?si=l_-Bh-uprRGIp4S-
Honestly this is a hard ass line
'yes I love bloodshed and warfare, I long to fight for my life'
shut sequoia
I like the look of the starter mech so I put a new engine in a beloved old car
this shield is in the trailer for the game so I don't think it breaks the style
serene kettle
Honestly this is a hard ass line
'yes I love bloodshed and warfare, I long to fi...
It’s basically J from verdict day tbh
"There is no place for me other than the battlefield. To live as I please, and die a senseless death. That is who I am. Not a mere man of flesh. War is part of my existence."
It’s profoundly sad tbh
swift nacelle
Honestly this is a hard ass line
'yes I love bloodshed and warfare, I long to fi...
Freud is that you?
quasi copper
frank pivot
Karasawa is actually kinda hype in pvp what the heck
eager vector
Therapist: It's ok, V.II Snail, Bisexual Vaporraven isn't real and can't hurt yo...
BISEXUAL LIGHTNING
SAME HAT
eager vector
thank you!
chrome bronze
distant forge
https://x.com/noelshourai/status/1712505912101900337?s=46&t=avdqsawMhhbZGXo01HBT...
do u have the thing this is areference to
i know what it is i just want the image to show my partner
frank pivot
do u have the thing this is areference to
Wait it's not just a reference to that one attack??
distant forge
no it is a reference to the one attack
i just dont have a clear screenshot of the attack itself
summer trellis
https://youtu.be/Pw3Gl-fPUqw?si=reJgRr9jzFoXSUQM
no need just give me firmezas and albas
that's all i need ever lmao
frank pivot
You know what weapon is atrociously bad
The grenade launcher they give you for doing the quad tutorial
I streamed the first 3.8 chapters of AC6 today on a fresh start no shop purchases run
And my GOD that thing is SO BAD
But it's the only left hand projectile weapon you get until fucken MOONLIGHT
hollow ridge
i am curious, what kind of pvp builds take advantage of the kasuar legs the best?
frank pivot
Anyway i died to Red in the arena THREE TIMES trying to make that pos work
frank pivot
i *am* curious, what kind of pvp builds take advantage of the kasuar legs the be...
Fast lights that want to chain the terrible lag hitbox of the rj kick into a hit confirm of some type
hollow ridge
so you just wanna kick a lot?
frank pivot
I played a ton of a build i called Gremlin Mk1 and iterated on it, i can't find its final form but it was this at one point
frank pivot
so you just wanna kick a lot?
Basically, due to lag, if you land a kick, and then let a charged harris shot fly, it'll almost always hit
Often it turns into a stagger
Then you can punish with your melee of choice. The gremlinest move is to run like, a laser dagger with assault armor
Basho + laser dagger + assault armor is instant death on a stagger if your opponent doesn't know
And if they DO know you get your combo for free and then a reset
river junco
Oh no shop purchases run
frank pivot
The laser dagger trick is to stagger someone, then do your 3 dagger hits. If they try to assault armor or pulse armor, counter it by doing your assault armor right after they use theirs
river junco
I was trying to figure out what you meant by it being the only left hand projectile lmao
I was so confused
summer trellis
no shop run is insane wtf
frank pivot
It's not toooo bad it's just that some fights are pretty frustrating
Cuz the AI input reads to an egregious degree
As it stands now though, i'm running a mind beta RJ build with Alula on the Aorta
Jav alpha, laser orbit, laser drones, pulse blade
Lots of good potential to build stagger, but you have to micromanage the laser orbit sometimes because you don't want it to eat your free stagger hit on the AI
There's a lot of charged pulse blade in neutral which is super spicy
Oh and i found out that even though it's a FRICKEN SHIELD the pca HCs just die if you hit them with melee
river junco
Cuz the AI input reads to an egregious degree
Imo with a game this fast it’s kinda needed
The AI is already considered “too easy” by a good chunk of people lol
frank pivot
For sure!
river junco
Also
I am surprised by how core the stagger mechanic ended up being
For being a new addition to the series
frank pivot
The whole idea of "build stagger and then punish" is a good gameplay loop
river junco
Also
Saw someone say that you should get something for S-ranking every mission
And I’m like “what could they possibly give you”
frank pivot
Hehe. I wish i was good with the WLT gun
Though i guess it comes so late it doesn't matter
Maybe i'll amend my wish to the karasawa
river junco
Also to S rank all missions do you have to S rank the variants
peak prawn
And I’m like “what could they possibly give you”
Right hand melee 😔
eager vector
Also to S rank all missions do you have to S rank the variants
Yup
river junco
Woof
peak prawn
I have simply decided not to
Because Id probably just never play the game again after
river junco
fair
also
huh
just noticed Walter calls Sulla by the same alpha numeric name-thing as you
eager vector
Was it 614 or something?
dawn stag
yeah because he's number 249 from gen 1
dawn stag
I guess the C is for coral, like C-weapons
stuck surge
And I’m like “what could they possibly give you”
The blade wave command
surreal tundra
have yall heard her dialogue if you wait on nepenthes
Wat
What
I missed all that
Wat sjnzv
surreal tundra
shes so naive and adorable and i want to give her the biggest hug
Ayre learning alongside Raven as she helps Raven with exploring/reclaiming their/her personhood XD
surreal tundra
Wat
What
I missed all that
Wat sjnzv
I found it XD
ripe crow
Because I am a contrary person, when I saw the legs video that mentioned the "worst" reverse joint, I had to try and make it work. This is also a max energy firearm and basho arms build.
Container missiles... it was all I could fit in my EN cap (I'm maxxed exactly), but they dont actioally require lockon. Fire them into the air on approach, then AB in for a kick/melee.
urban knoll
Kasuar + NGI 001 booster
Get Kikaku lunge levels of speed with a ground QB
QB into the next system
dawn stag
I played through most of NG with a kasuar build
hearing it's not very good just makes me feel like more of a gamer
ripe crow
Spring chicken player who never kicked.
ripe crow
Because I am a contrary person, when I saw the legs video that mentioned the "wo...
this build is finally hitting a wall at Chartruse
wasnt too big of a wall though. Only Snail, Chartruse, and Freud gave any real trouble at all.
proven bison
Spring chicken player who never kicked.
Me in my first playthrough
ripe crow
Any tips for S rnking the alternate dam mission in act 1?
eager vector
Any tips for S rnking the alternate dam mission in act 1?
Pile Bunker ends AC fights quickly and cuts your ammo costs
proven bison
Always pilebunker Volta to start that fight
stuck surge
I played through most of NG with a kasuar build
KASUAR core and arms when???
cursive agate
Any tips for S rnking the alternate dam mission in act 1?
I tend to focus down Iguazu first because he goes down faster, Redgun ACs have a lot less Energy Defense than Kinetic/Explosive.
ripe crow
I got that, now I'm up to escort the mining ship. Trying to do it with more or less the same build as the redguns, but the sawblades kick my butt.
eager vector
Yeah you want a bespoke build for S rank escort mining ship
ripe crow
I've got an alpha down on the first unit of the first wave, and an explosion that takes out the first two whels of the second wave, but after that...
eager vector
i recommend a missile boat that can stay in the air for a long time
cursive agate
I brought like 2x Bazookas (Majestic), missile rack + earshot with long-range FCS instead.
eager vector
that would also work!
cursive agate
Bazookas (except JVLN Alpha) seem to have a proximity fuse, terrifyingly effective at a distance.
long zodiac
I jusy got my first ending, ||Flame of Raven|| or whatever it was
And my god
My ever loving christ what a wrap
||Taking out the Arquebus fleet|| is like, everything I dreamed of
They plucked that clean out of my brain
||I feel terrible for killing Ayre, but I couldn't bring myself to take out Carla||
ashen monolith
i ran xuan ge, tai yang shou, earshot and 6-missile myself
you can destroy one of the sliders when it lands before it starts moving with the earshot
ashen monolith
chrome bronze
surreal vine
"Today is Friday on Rubicon."
'What, Freelancer?!'
"Shoot!"
ACS stagger noise
river junco
Really interesting that Ayre and Walter have like
A bunch of extra “OH FUCK THEYRE STAGGERED” lines
For every boss in the game p much
That go unused
ashen monolith
probably because the loop was intuitive enough that playtesters found them stating the obvious
peak prawn
There are a few lines like that which stuck around though
I recall em for both PCA helicopter fights, and I think (Act 4) ||Ibis||?
ashen monolith
also a couple for the tester AC, which makes sense
fierce laurel
every time I fight Iguazu now imma say TODAY IS FRIDAY IN CALIFORNIA and SHOOT
serene kettle
What the hell lmao
indigo chasm
Helicopter.
ripe crow
I saw a different helocopter strat in a "Can I beat AC6 without moving" video.
...I cant seem to find the video (Edit: TLDR- someone beat the game with laser lance+laser slicer as their only movement option.)
wooden nimbus
Okay this thing is fun
surreal vine
Twin Ludlows (really quad with your gun orbits there) are fun
wooden nimbus
I think I'm back, also props to the other pilot we both slapped each other around a lot.
indigo chasm
I think I'm back, also props to the other pilot we both slapped each other aroun...
Those were some good kicks.
wooden nimbus
I have decided to be in a constant state of "BOOST KICK BOOST KICK"
indigo chasm
You never run out of boost kick.
wooden nimbus
Sadly this build is ✨ fragile ✨ but I'll make it work
Now it's time for paint tweaking and decals
Also getting the assault armor counter on the pulse armor feels Good
frank pivot
Sadly this build is ✨ fragile ✨ but I'll make it work
Did someone say fragile?
wooden nimbus
lol
sharp canopy
How do you guys beat Iguazu with the current regulation patch? I have issues with his big swingy attacks
I used to take him down with dual miniguns and songbirds, but something about him feels... faster?
cursive agate
Might be how you're approaching the fight
sharp canopy
I tried my dumbest build, and all that can be said is...
MAD DASH LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOO
I uh, was trying to keep my distance and all
but when I just went braindead it worked out
also, Mad Stomp, I always felt that it had the makings for greatness, but was kind of squandering them
so I remixed it
wooden nimbus
Yeah that fight really rewards going full berserker mode
sharp canopy
it does?!
frank pivot
How do you guys beat Iguazu with the current regulation patch? I have issues wit...
Try to keep a lot of vertical distance between you and him
He has a very hard time shooting straight up and down
sharp canopy
awww, I kept trying to use my LWAC on them, specifically an Elcano body w/ ALLMIND head using two 4-cells and Ransetsu rifles, I got him to maybe 5% health and then I died
sharp canopy
but Mad Dash makes him kind of a joke
frank pivot
With dual ransetsus the verticality strat would annihilate him haha
sharp canopy
I admit that I try to play this build like a NEXT, which may not be helping
also the only fault Mad Dash had that I could think of was a lack of assault armor
I'll iron this out, and if anyone wants it, I'll leave a share code
NGL, this video feels like two gods duking it out
it's so cool
frank pivot
Does AC6 ever give "running completely out of energy" a name
frank pivot
NGL, this video feels like two gods duking it out
You should watch Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann sometime, even if you're not into anime you might really like it
sharp canopy
I did, I loved the show
frank pivot
Awwwww i was hoping i had met someone and could send them down a rabbit hole of a new show xD
sharp canopy
Is the laser lance technically a giga drill breaker?
frank pivot
Imo yes haha
ripe crow
sharp canopy
I actually struggle to make a decent EN weapon build as of late, because of engine over weight over mobility and firepower
humorously this has resulted in me just favoring rifles and SMGs
cursive agate
I've used Ephemera/Mind Alpha/VE-40A pretty heavily to amp up EN Output, though also trying generators like VP-20C/VE-20A again.
I bounced off SMGs relatively early, and use Ransetsu-RF/Handguns/Harris quite heavily 1-handed.
Solo Duckett is surprisingly strong for stagger buildup and sustain, high base damage lets it reach really far for a handgun on non-AC targets.
urban knoll
Bubble gun supreme
frank pivot
today on the Thot Show: we finished up NG and played through NG+
currently got all possible combat logs on our first pass of each ending, which was a lot of fun (and a time save), though i did Liberator first so it kinda felt weird to do the Rokumonsen fight on NG+ haha
Currently the strat is mostly "javelin alpha hard carry"
Running dual melee on a light midweight (pulse blade and moonlight), with javelin alpha and a rotating cast of right back weapons based on the mission
Lots of MTs to clear? Nebula. Otherwise? Javelin beta, or nowadays trueno
If i get stuck on a fight i fall back onto easy mode, which is turner + pulse blade + starter missiles hilariously enough
Basically just the starter AC but the frame and internals are infinitely better
surreal tundra
Does AC6 ever give "running completely out of energy" a name
redlining? genbusting?
surreal tundra
oh- you mean an official/in-game name?
frank pivot
Yeah 🙂
surreal tundra
hrm- what was the name of the relevant stat again?
something related to that might be the closest you get
wooden nimbus
I think it's just when you're out of EN
Redlining is a community term but it exists mostly because there's no in game term
Kind of like Dual Trigger/Double Trigger
I'm waiting to see what new lingo comes from the new Gen players
halcyon gull
Coral crutch.
urban knoll
Power washed
halcyon gull
why is that beam jelly like
urban knoll
Coral
halcyon gull
I only remember beams just being a line, not jelly like
serene kettle
it's more of a stream than a beam due to its relatively low velocity, so changing direction at all causes it to wiggle as the projectiles in the original direction are still moving that way rather than matching the newest ones
urban knoll
You're just power washing someone with Coral
halcyon gull
so you're saying you can wiggle wiggle with it
serene kettle
we're mentally used to lasers moving at the speed of light or at least very quickly
so this ends up looking a bit more like the output of a hose than anything
wooden nimbus
so you're saying you can wiggle wiggle with it
Indeed
Daydreaming about being able to put decals on weapons
And choosing ammunition loads to affect the way your weapons work
Radiators and weapon use heat buildup
cursive agate
Redlining is a community term but it exists mostly because there's no in game te...
A bit of a legacy term with AC6, since dipping into the red is just a warning now, while full-empty (flashing red) causes problems.
halcyon gull
isn't this normal dialogue?
river junco
Yeah it just triggers early and is slightly different if you take too long to kill the boss
halcyon gull
oh huh. I got'chu
sharp canopy
is there a way to adjust camera speed in AC6 photo mode?
I figured I'd ask since stopped-time pans and closeups could be dope as hell
dawn stag
you could speed it up in post
sharp canopy
I needed it slower actually, but speeding it up can be cool too
shut sequoia
playing around with a dual flamer setup
dawn stag
it's very good
I used a dual flamethrower + earshot build for a while and it just melted most guys
frank pivot
Only like 3 more hours til i get to finish up streaming No Shop Purchases
shut sequoia
I used a dual flamethrower + earshot build for a while and it just melted most g...
haven't tried the earshot with it yet, I was already taking the coral generator for the assault armor and coral shield so an energy weapon felt right
dawn stag
if you fire the earshot at a grounded target while above them it hits really reliably due to the huge radius
and does a bunch of stagger
since the flamethrowers don't really do any stagger it's nice to have something that does
wooden nimbus
They put spoilers on a robot once
river junco
||Life is hard and awful but it’s life and we have the right to live it||
frank pivot
||O’keefe is such a fucking Chad||
He also ||escaped allmind's clutches, got surgery to undo his candidacy for the release project, and then WENT BACK TO RUBICON AND KILLED SEVERAL ASSASSINS||
river junco
OwO?
frank pivot
Just a complete gigachad
river junco
didn't know about that middle part
frank pivot
Yeah read his arena blurb haha.
||something about him joining the vespers in order to get better augmentation surgery, to counteract the coral burn-in on his brain. Combine this with the other lore text about how current gen augments do not use coral, and i think it's pretty clear that he wanted to make absolutely sure he wasn't a coral release candidate||
river junco
ahhh
makes sense
hey so NG++ question
is there a particular reason why the ||grinder wheels destroy the strider?||
frank pivot
I still haven't figured it out too much. I think it's just ||allmind testing raven||
chrome bronze
||I mean the RLF was a threat to Allmind, I think they were just ensuring they lacked their strongest weapon||
river junco
fair fair
peak prawn
Yeah ||thumb dolmayan does try and kill you in that same route, I'm guessing there's some weirdness between Allmind and the RLF||
river junco
||Dolmayan has seemingly seen NG++ ending somehow||
chrome bronze
||remember, Coral is spice||
river junco
||furthering my pet theory that coral overdose can fuck up your perception of time and is the reason Raven experiences the NG+ cycle||
chrome bronze
Also admittedly
Do we have to use a spoiler marker by now?
Has anyone here not beaten the game three times?
river junco
yes there are actively people in this chat who haven't
chrome bronze
Ah
river junco
I mean not at this exact second but in general
chrome bronze
I didn’t know
frank pivot
Has anyone here not beaten the game three times?
The rule on this server is a little weird, but always spoiler forever
dawn stag
I mean not at this exact second but in general
I am here
river junco
I am gonna stick to my pet theory for the rest of time
dawn stag
I started playing bg3 again so I haven't beaten NG++ yet
river junco
The only thing I think can't be expected to be spoilered is like
gear from NG+ and NG++
Like stuff that gets unlocked
but story spoilers yeah
river junco
mmhm
well I didn't mean you specifically just spoilers in general
people who don't want spoilers on AC parts should probably just finish the game :p
fallen harness
is there a particular reason why the ||grinder wheels destroy the strider?||
||I just assumed the ship mined too close to some deactivated Institute stuff machines.||
river junco
that's fair
I guess it's like
||the way it could be related is it's how you catch Allmind's Eye||
frank pivot
||I just assumed the ship mined too close to some deactivated Institute stuff ma...
||Walter|| says "||way too many for a chance encounter||" which makes me think it's not simply random chance
fallen harness
||Walter|| says "||way too many for a chance encounter||" which makes me think i...
||I interpreted that to mean "there's too many for us to randomly come across them in the desert, but to me that doesn't rule out "the mining ship accidentally dug into a hornet's nest". Dunno, I don't think it necessarily needs to be connected to ALLMIND.||
ripe crow
Speaking of those damn wheels, I FINALLY S ranked the alt mining ship. Act 1 is now S rank complete.
queen willow
||Walter|| says "||way too many for a chance encounter||" which makes me think i...
My bet is ||it's a test/hitjob from ALLMIND||
||because she's the only other entity which is demonstrated to have full control over Institute tech besides the PCA kind of being able to do so||
chrome bronze
||the PCA’s relationship with Institute tech is funny because they less control it and more throw it at something and hope to god it kills them before it hurts the PCA||
surreal tundra
we're mentally used to lasers moving at the speed of light or at least very quic...
Like- it's entirely possible that we just see things slowed down cuz we're players and we need it playable when the actual pilot is a superhuman/augmented human, but yeah- I think the original/first cutscene has it looking more like a coherent beam? Can't remember- but if they made it actually go faster then it'd be even stronger/way too strong I think lmao,
surreal tundra
||the PCA’s relationship with Institute tech is funny because they less control ...
||and I think the only reason it doesn't actually work is cuz they're up against 621-Raven lmao||
wooden nimbus
I have been twoshot and I will now cry
indigo chasm
Hey uh, question for people who finished the game. Which mission did you find to be the most difficult?
fallen harness
honestly, ||Balteus and Sea Spider. I didn't have all the parts, was trying a worse control scheme, and hadn't quite found my groove of what I wanted to play. Even later bosses that I got stuck on, I didn't feel like they were as difficult as those two.||
indigo chasm
The early parts do hit hard. With hindsight, I think the limited selection of parts and lack of OS tuning to pull in some big damage make the early fights harder.
But besides the early missions. Was there anything from New Game plus (or plus plus) you found to be harder?
Something that's difficult even after finishing the game once.
queen willow
Hey uh, question for people who finished the game. Which mission did you find to...
||Sea Spider felt the least fun, I just hate how that boss feels||
||Balt was challenging but super fun||
||... on day 1 anyway||
indigo chasm
For me, it was the first time doing the NG+ ||alt mission, attack the Dam complex, where you have to duke it out with G4 Volta and G5 Iguazu.||
queen willow
||By far, though, IBIS-CEL was the hardest I had to contend with. I even fell on my face fighting it with a bullshit build I specifically built just to get past it||
||oh, and actually you know what, defend the Strider was a miserable experience, that's about it||
indigo chasm
||Cel 240 is rough because the fight varies a lot depending on what build you're bringing to the fight. I think most people have to build their AC specifically for the boss in order to beat it.||
indigo chasm
||oh, and actually you know what, defend the Strider was a miserable experience,...
Good idea.
I already finished all 3 routes. I'm just replaying some missions, getting some S ranks to have more fun with the game before I put it away for who knows how long.
And for me, fun is suffering. Well, not suffering, just having a challenge.
cursive agate
The early parts do hit hard. With hindsight, I think the limited selection of pa...
I've noticed it's rougher to proc stagger breaks with earlier weapons, since they don't hit as hard upfront without work.
I'm fine with most of them but I'll take Duckett/Harris over Coquillett/Curtis in most use cases.
ripe crow
I'm having a hard time S ranking act 2. I keep getting A ranks.
I'm moving fast, winning fast, and taking very little damage.
indigo chasm
I tried using the Coquillet once on the Operation Wallclimber mission, during my first playthrough. I ran out of ammunition not long after beating the tetrapod MT.
I'm glad FromSoft increased their total ammunition.
indigo chasm
I'm having a hard time S ranking act 2. I keep getting A ranks.
Maybe you're using weapons that cost too much? Or are you completing it without dying?
cursive agate
Most likely time taken and/or not enough trash mobs taken out along the way?
ripe crow
56k in ammo- so, not terribly a lot for taking out the Smart Cleaner.
indigo chasm
Oh yeah. Are you killing the enemies along the mission?
If you can be fast in dispatching of ||Noosac||, that might even be a plus for your rank.
ripe crow
So, I should be killing more trash mobs?
indigo chasm
Yeah. They add to your "bonus pay".
The more you're getting paid, the easier it is to reach an S Rank.
Ok, now I want to try to S Rank two missions now. Infiltrate Grid 086 and ||Escord Weaponized Mining Ship|| from NG++.
ripe crow
I just did the second one of those earler today
cursive agate
AC6 has a wonky hidden score calculation, MTs/ect can potentially give more time if they're valued enough.
ripe crow
Theextra trash mobs did the trick. In addition to the ones in the direct path, I made sure to clear the bridge to the left after beating MAD STOMP
ripe crow
...and the rest of act 2 clears up on first or second try.
I've got the margin to replace the pistol with a plasma cannon, but for missions, the rate of fire of the pistol lets me handle trash mobs better and lets me save the songbirds (which should not be this affordable, really) for toyboxes, tetrapods, and ACs.
cursive agate
Songbirds firing 2 shots makes it cost more overall, though I guess it's firing smaller, less expensive shells too.
eager vector
Songbirds firing 2 shots makes it cost more overall, though I guess it's firing ...
I think they meant affordable in terms of weight and EN load
cursive agate
Ah, in that case it's because of the reduced individual output of songbird shots, and EN Firearm Spec can really raise the ceiling of energy shoulder cannons.
frank pivot
Hey uh, question for people who finished the game. Which mission did you find to...
My first time through, intercept the redguns taught me trigger discipline
south oracle
it's a mission where either you use rifles or you start learning how to kick and conserve ammo
frank pivot
The haldeman is what did the trick for me
First time through anyway
When i realized that it one shots the MTs lol
distant forge
Hey uh, question for people who finished the game. Which mission did you find to...
reach the coral convergence, first time thru
||i had to deal with all of the wheels to get the chest items then ibis cel240 was so hard i had to abandon the build i was using for most of the playthru and make a new one||
took me hours
@burnt parrot was watching over my shoulder and she was concerned for my health i was so pissed at the video game
burnt parrot
<@195951867254145024> was watching over my shoulder and she was concerned for my...
Yeaaah
distant forge
actually i dont know if that specific bossfight happened when she was there with me but i do remember liveblogging my cataclysmic rage
river junco
Hey uh, question for people who finished the game. Which mission did you find to...
Reach the Coral Convergence by a mile
distant forge
oh hun you should see me when i play csgo lol
but that's beside the point, coral convergence is my answer
burnt parrot
Is that a threat 
river junco
I changed my build so that I didn't have to aim
laser turrets and hand missiles
because I could not fucking hit her to save my life
burnt parrot
Is seeing you do that a risk to my safety
distant forge
actually csgo isnt the game i got the most angry at, but thats another conversation for another day
for the ||ibis|| fight i switched to dual zimms and stun needles the first time round
river junco
I only ever did that while replaying the mission
when I was like "bitch move I got new content to see"
"I do not have time to fight you again*
that was full ass 621 build tho
songbirds on back
which is actually really good for here even now cause she has no clue how to dodge their spread and always gets hit
ime
distant forge
my main boss melting build is surprisingly a lightweight, but it has a midweight and heavyweight variant based on the same concept
its not a concept actually its more just, dual LCS cannons
for ibis in particular i had luck with an RJ dual zim/dual harris dual triple laser build
mightve not been an RJ, but either way, big impact weapon and the biggest chunk of damage you can shit out at once
the she/her robot really pushes optimal builds towards comical levels of burst dps
river junco
the build I ended up most pleasantly surprised with was a super fast build with chengs and pulse cannons on shouders
shoulders
distant forge
the way she enters the level makes me feel things
i think out of all the bosses in ac6 this is the most intimidating
||the fuckin scary music, the three-mission buildup, the unnervingly beautiful entrance cutscene, like, when i went into this the first time i was like "oh i really am fucked"||
river junco
I'm v happy with here she is now balance wise
feels less fucked
but in like a good way
she's still scary as hell
but not like, annoying
unique epoch
God, I remember desperately trying to kill the ||Ibis|| then I got some solid hits in finally and was like 'this motherfucker has too little health- I bet there's a second phase'
frank pivot
I hope we get some left arm and right arm exclusive guns
There's a lot of fun in old gen AC mixing together weapons that complement each other well. Like pixie3 and roc4 in last raven
dawn stag
the bestiesssss
stuck surge
I think the toughest was the final boss of NG++, but that could be recency bias
Or Balteus
cursive agate
I'm still partway through NG++ (Ch3), but Balteus was one of the harshest missions I've had (using the same loadout for the while mission) because of how early it is, and how much it asks of your across the mission.
I guess ||Coral Covergence when I cleared the wheels and boss with the same loadout|| too, though that was entirely due to the ||wheel things having absurd speed and damage||.
dawn stag
weirdly I think the mission I've died most on is depths 2 with the enforcer
I always had to change my build to beat that thing
even on NG++ I died to it like twice
wooden nimbus
I want to pilot the wheel
frank pivot
Fun fact: the NG++ end credits video clips are (almost) all done with either Loader 4 or the Training mission ACs
There are clips of them fighting all the major bosses
There's one thing that will make you laugh though; the Arquebus AC picks up a Zimmerman in one shot to beat the ||Enforcer||
And the quad uses the stun needle in one shot to beat the ||ice worm||
iron quarry
Medium range builds kinda Bork the ibis
My duel rifle build would just plink at them from the 150-180 range
If you have a good medium range fcs most of your shots will connect
The biggest issue for me was just keeping them pinned/tracking it since I used soft-lock to fight the asshole, and them moving at 600+ speeds makes that a slight issue
But if your tracking is on point you can just sit between the 130-180 ranges and make them face a death by a thousand cuts
cursive agate
Noice, I took a big guns setup to tear into openings at mid-long instead.
dawn stag
I beat it with this guy
iron quarry
I beat it with this guy
That is the plink machine
dawn stag
wrong it's mihaly's X-02S strike wyvern but a mech
ripe crow
For hard missions, I found the Battle Log for the V1 Freud mission to be annoying. Not the one on the direct path, but the one you have to find before than, beat, THEN beat the one on the main path, before you can heal up and face Freud.
eager vector
I love sharing my first ibis clear story lol
https://youtu.be/MulZAPDOrzE?si=XC5UqAF3ddr06Z-1
this was my sixth attempt I think, and my second time seeing phase 2
ripe crow
Apparently it's not enought to merely be a waling advertizement for destruction. they want MORE than that, for S rank.
stuck surge
But if your tracking is on point you can just sit between the 130-180 ranges and...
Alternatively, P I L E B U N K E R
eager vector
Apparently it's not enought to merely be a waling advertizement for destruction....
did you kill everything that gives combat logs?
ashen monolith
the fuel tanks don't count for anything. i made this mistake too, but got the s rank by just clowning on the ekdromoi so didn't know until after
eager vector
I still relish the clip I got where I hit both ekdromoi with the same charged PB
ripe crow
the fuel tanks don't count for anything. i made this mistake too, but got the s ...
Good to know. Now to try anf forget the route I've been drilling it. :p
ripe crow
That did the trick.
proven bison
Heavy Melee, Inaccurate
[Threat 1][2d3 Kinetic, 2 Explosive]
This weapon deals double damage against stunned or immobilized characters```Heavy Melee, Inaccurate
[Threat 1][2d6 Kinetic, 3 Explosive]
This weapon automatically crits against stunned or immobilized characters```Better version
ripe crow
Alt xylem survey- 1 HP and a dream, got S rank anyway. :p
dusty apex
Hardest mission for me was eliminating Michigan. IDK how many times I tried it with different builds, mostly running out of ammo before the final duel.
Second hardest probably the combat log in the eliminate reinforcements mission.
Almost everything else died to 4 shotguns if I couldn't beat it with a more interesting build.
surreal vine
I just used Bad Cook flamethrowers to mop up his MT horde
proven bison
Double Curtis for me, they have ridiculous ammo, decent range, and a fast firerate
cursive agate
I took 1x Vvc plasma and it went smoothly for the most part, blowing up the dropships saves work too.
dusty apex
I tried the cooks and the Curtis, in the end IIRC it was 2x vvc plasma for the dropships + mobs and 2x Zimmerman for the duel
frank pivot
I think i did that mission with a solo nebula for mob clearing
cursive agate
Redguns ACs spec into Kinetic/Explosive defense so Michigan's AP and stability were the part slowing down my energy tetrapod.
frank pivot
Oh i found out at the end javelin alpha is fucking broken against MT blobs
The initial hit breaks their shield
The followup explosions kill them
cursive agate
That's a funny factor I didn't think about, really good to know
ripe crow
looking for more S rank advice
midnight pine
this one is
weird
for some reason there are two specific LCs near the battleship on the highest platform you have to kill in order to actually s rank the mission
a sniper LC and a shield one, they spawn at the edge of the platorm facing the ice shelf
wooden nimbus
I think at least one of those is one of the ones that dropped loghunt data? Maybe that's why
wooden nimbus
I got a few accidental S ranks while hunting so I assume those targets are needed