Terk Mech & Tech

[rain topaz]

A small thing, just caught my eye

Keep up the good work

[stoic gazelle]

Iconoclast uses a d3 as well. I'm sure there are other first party uses besides that one, that's just the one I immediately remembered

And since there are weapons using d3, people would have to be familiar with how to d3 anyways

[dense acorn]

if i put an arc projector on the zhukov, would i be able to quick detach after making all the secondary attacks for 0 heat cost?

[covert surge]

yes

[barren mantle]

Question on Rat King license - is the Salvager Drone meant to be constantly be deployed and returned to the parent mech to reclaim its repair charge?

2 hp seems low for a one-time use, but i notice that since it can move independently, it can probably more easily crawl back to the parent more easily.

[covert surge]

One of these days ill iron out all the early kinks of rat king due to its age

The repair charge is mainly for repairing other drones since RK make its drones take shots for it

[native bay]

Question regarding a Gorshkov/Hydra build floating around in my head.

So how does the Scrambler Mine affect drones? If I'm reading this correctly RAW means that almost any drone that I send into that field won't have its abilities hampered, with a few exceptions (Ghast Drone firing from within the jamming field considered as an illegal action?) But for instance the Hydra's Orochi drones aren't affected because they aren't taking actions/reactions, its just a stated rule that "If you start your turn or make a move next to one, you inflict a saving check."

[covert surge]

Yeah, if it isnt a reaction most drones are completely unaffected

[barren mantle]

oh i see. interesting. so its possible that a future version of the repair drone system doesnt even use repair charges and instead that ability is maybe tweaked to target other drones only?

[native bay]

-- HORUS Hydra @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
IPS-N GORSHKOV 2, HORUS Manticore 1, HORUS Hydra 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
Universal Compatibility, The Lesson of the Open Door
[ TALENTS ]
Prospector 3, Drone Commander 3, Demolitionist 2, Orator 1
[ STATS ]
HULL:2 AGI:0 SYS:4 ENGI:2
STRUCTURE:4 HP:15 ARMOR:1
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:7 REPAIR:5
TECH ATK:+5 LIMITED:+1
SPD:5 EVA:7 EDEF:14 SENSE:10 SAVE:15
[ WEAPONS ]
MAIN MOUNT: Detonator
HEAVY MOUNT: Ghast Nexus
[ SYSTEMS ]
Beckoner, PUPPETMASTER, Active Scanner, Sapper Kit x4, Tempest Drone, Tempest Drone, Assassin Drone

Theoretical build designed around being a tiny asshole to basically teleport around with prospector and then use Detonator/Beckoner to force people to trigger Jamming mines before sending in the Drone Cavalry to keep them there.

IN THEORY it should both fuck up NPC action economy as well as make the Jamming mines require more than one action to kill since they now have 10 HP thanks to the Hydra.

Uni-Comp should make for a really lethal (or well, what passes for lethal in the Hydra) Prospector-overcharge-full deployment-whatever action you want blitz.

[covert surge]

Yeah

[hushed field]

Question about At Arm's Length - Is the knockback gained on top of any knockback it natively has?

[covert surge]

ye

[hushed field]

Oh dear. Oh dear.

[ember copper]

If you ever need play testing for some of your stuff, please let me know because I love everything that you make. It makes me infinitely happy. I especially love frundsberg

[covert surge]

literally just send me every feedback/impression you have when playing any of the released mech

i need more data

https://tenor.com/view/food-coma-food-eat-starving-kirby-gif-4698182

and always on the look out for tuning up released materials before ""offical"" 1.0 release

[ember copper]

Well, my personal reckoning I don’t think the fusion pike needs to have accurate. It’s already a pretty damn good weapon given the effect

[covert surge]

the pike actually do have a change im aiming for

[ember copper]

Ah I see

Also, I’d actually think it’d be better to keep Thor to only deal half damage because that ability is already pretty stupidly busted although I think I might just be saying that to the fact that I come from a Westmark server

🤷

[covert surge]

compared to using Asura and just getting a barrage to swing your sheavy its kinda below par

all its gaining is the ability to overwatch and +1 limited charge for half damage

[ember copper]

Fair enough, although I would also say that zwei cost three points considering what you’re getting. It’s a pretty strong killer that even an ultra would be screaming for mercy as it tries to desperately get away from the man with the great sword.

[covert surge]

zwei is 2sp 🤔

[covert surge]

yah 2sp

[ember copper]

When it comes to balancing for this thing, I probably say make it 3SP and replace the accurate tag with ordinates

[covert surge]

nah

ordnance for its alt profile is enough, ordnance melee otherwise is horrendous to play with

[ember copper]

Unless you use an oleander, then you just sit back and laugh

[covert surge]

if im giving a superheavy melee ordnance with no normal profile it would have to do absolutely absurd like on hit just fucking kill the guy

[ember copper]

What like to think of this beast is almost like a dark souls boss, where it telegraphs it, tack ahead of time

[covert surge]

otherwise split is actually 4 less damage than TCB and with 2 heat cost on top to pay for its bag of tags and crit effect

this remains the only pure ordnance melee I have ever think of putting anywhere and its an intergrated heavy

ordnance sheavy melee is going to feel extremely bad to play with since you are already devoting so much of your build to accomodate a sheavy, not getting to use it most turn feels really really bad

[ember copper]

I think I’m beginning to understand now

[covert surge]

being sheavy with 2sp this thing is already consuming like 50% of your entire mech budget to support it

[ember copper]

I know a lot of buddies of mine who would be salivating at the mouth to get up the sword, but I think it’s really the fact that I am in a Westmarch server where we can go up to LL 12 so buying that cost doesn’t seem to irrevocably bad

[covert surge]

oh yeah i usually balance around ll6, ll12 is where rocket tag happens

[ember copper]

That’s probably why the server that I’m a part of won’t allow it because it’s just too strong at later levels where the cost isn’t as substantial as it would be for someone someone at half of that

I can just imagine now this thing with OP cal, auto stab, and gyges frame

DM’s would be pulling out their hair

[covert surge]

tbh TCB with the same build would still be outputing more damage than it against most normal, its just really good at getting through defense against a big chungus enemy due to the crit resist bypass

[ember copper]

As much as I want to use this on the server that I’m part of, I’m currently trying to lobby a bunch of other homebrew supplements from outside the server but I just don’t think yours is really built for our kind server which unfortunately breaks my heart 😔

But people on this server would allow me to I will certainly use your stuff

Also, you did help out one of my buddies when it came to art with Darth heavy industries.

[covert surge]

i just noticed that there's a running theme of stuff I design being bellow par against normal enemies but then strangles Ultras to death

[ember copper]

I know don’t man a lot of your stuff can instantly lobotomize any enemy that seems to remotely come close to them. What I imagine nowadays is a Togo with a sekhemt tearing through grunts like a pitbull in a playground

I’m sorry for bothering you with all this if it wasn’t really, really helpful

[covert surge]

more data is always more good

[tardy zephyr]

I've been playing a Frundsberg in a campaign and Zwei is good but I never felt it was overwhelmingly so. My friend was playing a combat drill Vlad and consistently outdamaging me even without the drill's damage bonuses. The Zwei is real flexible and accurate though and felt good to swing. Thor half damage, considering its 1/scene and 3 heat (so 5 minimum once you swing the Zwei) felt cool to do but always felt kinda wimpy on damage.

[covert surge]

yeah im thinking tuning thor to focus on its actual niche of overwatch and reaction attacks with superheavy so i can tune it full damage and go in without having to fight the Asura in its own field of doing more attack per turn

[stark lichen]

@stone shadow see that! Drop your Togo feedback here

[tardy zephyr]

I should write up my Frundy thoughts, and also Dagon thoughts

[covert surge]

ive been banging my drums about giving me feedback since forever lol

especially ones that comes from play experience

[tardy zephyr]

I've played Frundsberg in 6 combats now, and a player of mine has put Dagon through about as many

[covert surge]

yes please gimme gimme

[hushed field]

I love the Dagon, but sadly it doesn't much mesh with the like, engineer style thing I have going on with my expy. On the other hand, Hurricane Cluster Projector Frundsberg incoming.

[rigid chasm]

i mean, not even the silliest knockback potential in the mod

[covert surge]

Brudenell’s Harrison Handshake

[real grotto]

In about . . . A month, because we play every other week, I should be able to give you some feedback on a Napoleon/Arthur/Metalmark build. It’ll be interesting to see how Full-Chassis Reinforcement works with the Napoleons reduction and Reactive Weave.

[covert surge]

The fabled bracelord

Yeah i have my eyes on full chassis potential changes but great to get solid data

[real grotto]

I may also completely change my mind and decide to run Arthur/Nelson/Metalmark, for a bracelord Arthur.
Ah.
Now I see the vision with the pseudo-overcharge Boost that the Arthur has.

[stoic gazelle]

LL2 Yermak, only had one combat so far so not a lot of data. But it felt good

Good bunch of system traumas inflicted

Technophile 3, Iconoclast 2, hull 2 agi 2

[covert surge]

The pseudo oc boost works triggers off no voluntary at all, even if you can’t do it anyway, so you can get it the turn after being immobilized/suffering brace penalty

Cheaper and does not eat your oc slot

[real grotto]

The one issue with play testing things in the game I’m in is that both the GM and one of the players has an obsession with homebrew, so we’re currently rocking at least 6 player-facing LCPs.

[real grotto]

Somehow I completely missed that on my first read through, because my current damage-avoiding strategy is either debuffing, overwhelming damage, or staying out of range. Which is why I’m in a Monarch.

[covert surge]

As long as you dont cross the stream/hbrew it should be fine

[real grotto]

The GM tends to cross the streams with NPCs, so we consider turnabout fair play.
Which doesn’t help me because I am in a completely base-game Monarch at this point.

[stone shadow]

So... Having played the Togo for a little while now, I have a few bits of feedback that comes straight from the table

The biggest one is that the mech is an absolute blast to pilot, and a dice junkies dream. Rolling and rerolling makes my inner goblin giggle

The Glaive is a very interesting weapon, with a few useful cases (that poor poor squad didn't stand a chance), but alot of questions about how it's range mechanic works. What happens when a size 2 eneny occupies range 3 and range 2?

The issues I've been running into have to do with speed of play mostly. Keep track of constantly changing heat can be tricky, and I use an abacus (yes, the og calculators) to keep track of changing heat

[covert surge]

Lmao

[stone shadow]

Right!? Like, mech pilot! Sci-fi!
........ Abacus

[covert surge]

Next time use an irl clutch

[stone shadow]

....

Old Blood is now stick shift. No one can convince me otherwise

[covert surge]

The whole thing has a muscle car engine coded feel to it and its intentional

[real grotto]

Stacked on top of the Togo’s aging reactor like a deck of cards. Is a stick shift.

[stone shadow]

Glancing blow just winds up not being useful because my DM dosebt use Grunts and baddies don't group up, because the Sherman will roast them

[stone shadow]

Yes! That's the exact vibe

An issue I run into fairly consistently is consistency. Untill the Thresher, overkill is a total crapshoot

I use Leech Hunters Blade, Glaive, and a few combat knives, but don't trigger overkill as much as the frame wants to. it can lead to explosive 'on' turns about 25% of the time but mostly meh off turns

That said, a Meh off turn at LL2 can still be 6-8 heat and 10+ damage

[covert surge]

🤔 i figured the integrated claw with its 1d3 double attack would be a good source of overkill until thresher

[stone shadow]

They are a solid option, the heat cost just tends to get high with base 5 cap

That said, I wouldn't change them

They are fantastic tools, if you can land that first swipe

I use them to drop good damage on targets, build heat to the HEW (High Energy Wiggles) zone and trigger overkill a bit more often

[covert surge]

As for glaive ruling, word of tom terk is you get the extra damage if no part of the target is closer than threat 3

[stone shadow]

That's what we ruled it as in the moment, glad to see we are on the same wavelength

[covert surge]

👍

Did you get use out of Thresher maximization clause at all?

It put it in there as a cool feature tm that rarely pops off once in a while and wanted to know if peeps got it to trigger

[stone shadow]

Not at LL3 yet,

But I'll absolutely let you know when we are

Probably after turning Steele inside out

[covert surge]

I suspect you are going to see marked increase in overkill trigger and consistency as you rank up because more grit means more crit, more crit means more dice, more dice means more overkill

[stone shadow]

That's the vibe I was getting, and more overkill means more HEW, and more magna Carapace

Which is a fun tool

And makes NPCs very wary of getting in a slap fight with the molten chainsaw badger

[native bay]

I have a question about the Gorshkov's LL3 grapple abilities mostly because I'm struggling to see the value on it.

So I assume the basic principle is to use the Gorshkov's passive to force an enemy to fail the check, but the problem is, that same check only happens after the grapple, which is considered an attack, which according to the Gorshkov's wording, removes invisible, and in most cases (sans Infiltrator 3) hidden is removed as well with that attack. So now its just a straight up contested save like the Atlas' Final Clash but without the capability of rerolling the results like the Atlas.

On top of all this, you take 2 heat to even just try the checks.

Wouldn't it be more synergistic if it was something like:

"After a successful grapple, take 2 heat to declare that invisible and hidden are not lost until all relevant effects are performed..."

[covert surge]

Im 95% sure losing hide when making attack is a simultaneous effect so you can order it so the hide lost is after the grapple

Same with the invisible, its removed after the attack

[native bay]

Action ordering... a most amusingly painful thing to go through.

Anyways thanks

[covert surge]

Takeover is also simultaneous w grapple so you can do grapple->takeover->lose hide

So you can jumpscare grab people from the shadow

[stone shadow]

Gorb is going on my to play list

[bleak sigil]

Was an LCP ever released for Dullahan?

[wind rampart]

A fellow Togo pilot is always good to see, praise be to chainsaw goblin

I actually discovered an incredibly stupid tech with it, but you need a second really good overkill weapon and you need really competent Heat management skills to pull it off to the degree where it gets effective to do

My DM blessed me (unwisely, some may say) with the Reaper Assault Cannon exotic for my second Main mount

The tech relies on the realization I found through research that the ground counts as a viable attack target, and even though you cannot destroy a Size ??? target, you can roll damage against it

this means you can trigger Overkill on a Barrage against the ground

which means, through careful management, you can engage the Togo's ultimate potential as a racing mech and start doing Devil May Cry combos for RNG-based movement with Gun the Engine

I have a theoretical Barrage-based movement speed of like 30 spaces a turn, going higher if I fully send it and go for the Ramjet off the Nelson License and raise my Agility further

but the vital key to the plan involves hanging out exactly within one Heat of Danger Zone for the turns you wish to zoom on, so Thermoregulator, the Thresher, and as much overkill dice as possible are all your friend

We have decided ingame that my pilot is the first person to ever discover this new racing technique, which makes sense as he's literally an illegal mech racer doing Lancer missions for parole

It has already proven hilariously useful and more consistent than it should be, I've shut down entire firing lines of Scouts trying to Overwatch me with this

By basically doing the more psychotic cousin of Armored Core drifting

These are the things I come up with when I'm bored, I can't tell if the DM enjoys it or is slowly going insane

Whenever the Sabre Wing comes out or the playtest LCP drops I'm probably putting my stupid goblin brain towards that thing next to see what DM-tiring techs are there

[covert surge]

i made another thing (again lmao)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/14MVNe5VakgegOGwnZJk50p39QQg4zGvxBF4WEqEIbLI/edit?usp=sharing

Player-Side operator esque, teleport spam, crit fish and on hit abuse

[stone shadow]

I... Ooooooh. I need to get me a Reaper.
I feel like a very perticular kind of pilot gets behind the controls of a Togo. Temperamental, Stick shift, Chainsaw Badgers dead set of ruining someone's day. Even if that someone is themselves because of the Gs pulled

[wind rampart]

My pilot started in a Brudenell but I swapped over since I just didn't mesh with it well, narratively he's taking the "speak the language the enemy does" approach because we've been dealing with mad max bandits up to now

He also took the license because it wasn't strictly Union-approved and he lives to mildly inconvenience them out of being bitter that he got caught

His customization on the Togo is "Fuck U(nion)" painted with scifi paint that only shows up on recording devices

specifically so that they can't use him in promotional propaganda

because he's a goblin like that

He got his ass absolutely beat by a Nelson pilot before the game began and is now on a fierce quest to become faster and take him on for Round 2

[stone shadow]

Ludwig is a former revolutionary whos revolution was crushed by HA. He was a damn good pilot so got drafted after being pulled into the preview

Was gifted a gladiator Togo after his Genhis stopped working because desertion

[wind rampart]

the party is insisting they're very clearly going to wind up dating and they're probably not wrong, but he's gotta win first

[stone shadow]

Oh course!

[wind rampart]

He can't allow a cop to beat him at his most sacred artform of "driving heavy metal death machines inadvisably fast"

[stone shadow]

That just sounds like a good first date

[wind rampart]

Hilariously the convicted criminal of the party is actually the most morally-aligned of the lot so far, lmao

[stone shadow]

But the Togo is a beautiful sprinting death machine. Even if the Aux chain blades could be a mod instead

[wind rampart]

Yeah. I do really think the Aux Chains needta be a Mod, but I don't know shit about balance so it's not for me to suggest

[stone shadow]

Don't even get me started on Jerry's Angels. The Hell Gate Quartet 11

[stone shadow]

I'm chewing over ways to make it a mod without it being massively expensive SP wise, but haven't come up with anything good yet

[wind rampart]

Math and big number balance is so far beyond my mental capacity most of the time, all I can really say is "Togo go fast and hit thing real hard and it makes me happy"

[stone shadow]

I'm maximizing single target kill potential over speed, but I can see the apeal

Old Blood is designed to be impossible to out run and punishing to ignore

[wind rampart]

My designated party buddy on the melee is a White Witch and we're the terror of the frontlines as long as I don't hang out exactly adjacent to them (unavoidable Heat dumping is not healthy to your White Witch friends)

[stone shadow]

I used to pilot a WW in a way back Gane, and I can see those two being fantastic friends

My melee buddy is a Grapple Manticore

It's.... A tence partnership

[wind rampart]

Yeah that sounds anxiety inducing, lmao

[stone shadow]

She's great at what she does.
She's also needed to reprint her mech twice

Everyone else is a solid 0 (okay, the Comet is at 1)

[wind rampart]

so far my impressions are "HA's Ranged answer to the Heruka"

(apologies if I shouldn't ping, I have no idea)

seems like a hard to figure out frame, at least in my head

The teleporty boys usually are, though. I've seen some Lich plays that leave me just permanently confused, lol

[safe obsidian]

looks fun! only immediate note: Suldan's Comet license already has a weapon named Harrier Nexus, if you wanted to avoid confusion

[dense acorn]

Thinking about Heavy gunner + burst fire is making me feel unwell (this frame rules)

Also feeling normal about the idea of a gorgon or a tortuga with Cohort

And as an aside, yay more nexus weapons!

Cynane looks good for a centimane build too which is very nice, its a talent that i feel never gets as much love due to nexus’ being an overlooked weapon class (even if there are some good ones already)

Mayhaps the repair cap should be bumped down to 2? It is a technologically advanced frame and it also seems to have a LOT going for it stat wise, only other thing below average on it is HP and only by 2 (with an armor to compensate anyway because HA)

[hardy citrus]

Updated to include links to
Cynane
Sabre
Eyrie

Have not properly organized them/labelled them as I'm on mobile

[bleak sigil]

So I am confused, are some things like playtest purgatory until X time and then they get added to main?

Is that why some stuff sits in gdoc form for a bit like Dullahan and Zhukov?

Cause they seem pretty feature complete

[covert surge]

LCP takes time

[stone shadow]

One thing that I've noticed with the Togo, it gives a lot of love to its hacker buddies. It's incidental heat really adds up over time, and makes it easier for others to capitalize

Getting slapped for 4 heat (+1 heat from Claws x2, +2 Nuke Cav) on a skirmish from a non hacker mech, plus damage, it a bad spot to be in

Then the goblin cracks you in the side of the cockpit with another invade and LAoK

[covert surge]

more heatgun good more npc aside from berserker should care about their heat

[stone shadow]

Big agree

Setting the Scourer on fire felt very good

I should have feedback for you in the core power vs ultras tomorrow

Exposed+ 6d3+6 (Claws + Thresher) is an easy mangle

[raven socket]

The answer for the zhukov is that I've been having spoon issues for a little while now

It's mostly done, I just need to do the last couple systems and them my QC pass
In theory it would take barely any time at all, it's just finding the spoons for it, with being pretty unwell at the moment

[bleak sigil]

Ah! I am curious, is there a technical limitation behind implimenting the Dullahan? Cause I was thinking there probaly was

Also I am hopeing you are soon to be feeling much better!!!

[raven socket]

Thank you!
I got medication that should help pretty recently, it turns out I have a form of anaemia. Hopefully things start to improve.

[raven socket]

I haven't really thought too hard about the dullahan
I take frames one at a time, as they come to me

[spring creek]

There isn’t really, implementing pilot gear just isn’t something you can attach to a license, so you have to put it in exotic gear and add it when you want it

[bleak sigil]

As Lef put it thats what I was thinking, at least in part cant remember the rest cause im post 5 hours of dming and my brain is dead

[spiral warren]

The spoons?

Like the matrix?

[spring creek]

Yeah I’m unofficial, don’t expect anything I put in to get put into the official lcp quickly just because I did it

[spiral warren]

Get better soon 👍

[raven socket]

I explicitly do not accept outside input or contribution to the LCP

I have my own standards and stuff that I want to keep it to

One of my partners who's good at writing has been helping me with minor fluff rephrasing where necessary as of late, though

But other than that

[raven socket]

Thank you ^^

[bleak sigil]

yeah to be clear, def wasnt. Just I know from some of our stuff that limitation on LCPs (while making sense) can make certain things a pain in the butt

[hardy citrus]

In regards to my fan list document that links to all of Terk's non-TM&T linked mechs.

Its mostly a fan thing, both for myself and for others, to make it easier to find. You can't that EASILY search forums.

For a mech to be linked there it both needs to have no official LCP form, needs to have had a linked google doc, and needs to not be in the official Terk Mech & Tech doc.

But I originally did it entirely for myself, only sharing it because I fell other people might benefit from it

[bleak sigil]

I was aware of them from Terk posts themselves, but found them again them through the pinned post here, to be clear

Tho if that is your doc that makes sense! Yeah Forum searching is so poor that I end up having to ask in here and other places its... blegh.

[hardy citrus]

Yea, One of the benefits of it is if someone asks about a terk mech i can just - link that haha

[tardy zephyr]

@covert surge https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YPhAIWJ03l5VCwgkQKrXA-MSOhfoG-baYRWNn7ZBNLI/edit?usp=sharing

Friendsberg.

[covert surge]

Time to consume feedback

[stoic gazelle]

One thought: HASE of 2200 would have suited you a lot. I don't get why people are so averse to investing in an extra point of speed

[covert surge]

hmm i modeled indomitable after the WW's self immobilize thing, but i guess it being speed 6 (god damn) helps with responsiveness compared to the speed 3 of the big boy

[cosmic steppe]

I think it does partially depend on the mission type and team. We had a frundsburg for 2 missions in our game and he had 3 speed, but I was running a hacker build with Horos 1 and could move the guy into position well. We had a control point fight where it dominated

[tardy zephyr]

Puppet Systems doesn't work on Frundsberg. Or any unit with Heavy Frame (assuming the one using Puppet Systems is smaller)

[cosmic steppe]

wait really?

I thought it got around that?

wait im dumb it wouldn't

Okay well that was only half of it

other half was giving them a movement with pylos nhp from Interpoint which just lets an ally boost

[covert surge]

Frundsberg being god king in control point mission is well known, but based on the feedback I can see thats its kinda too polarizing depending on situation, become god in control point but be slow and clunky if not, when the star align and you stack Forlorn Hope and Indomitable in a choke point it becomes completely unapproachable but if it can't then its kinda waddling around

[tardy zephyr]

FAQ says so, at least. 😔

[cosmic steppe]

yeah ur defo right on that, that was a mistake on our part

[tardy zephyr]

While true, needing Hull for tanking, Engineering for heat management, Systems because SP starved, and also Agility for speed... something's gotta give, and that order exactly is how I prioritized it.

[cosmic steppe]

Well some was pylos, sso not all bad

[covert surge]

im wary of making bladeguard cost less actions (ie protocol) because it veers close to the "triple gets to use this with their spare mount for practically free" problem but ill rotate it in my mind a bit

[vale horizon]

"up to twice your speed" feels like it would make a pretty noticeable difference for sure

[covert surge]

making at arm's length 1/round to make space for all the other bojangle im going to tack onto the rest of the frame

And indomit now eat one turn of movement not 2

[tardy zephyr]

Yeah those changes sound good actually!

[covert surge]

Not sure how id rotate crashing blow since its always been kinda a ribbon thing to facilitate meme builds

actually hmm what if i rip it out and make it into a system in place of iron hand

should give me room to punch things upward

[vale horizon]

that could be interesting but it would make it lose the synergy with Forlorn Hope's activation flight

[covert surge]

the inherent tension of wanting to keep a super fun gimmick but also the rest of the kit

... I just thought of something kinda haram

[sweet marsh]

mmmm unhinge chronology

[covert surge]

so it maintain its slow base speed, but if it wants to spend a whole turn haul assing with move OC boost double boost it can run to the choke point at good speed

3+3+4+5 = 15 spaces if it does nothing but move and boost and OC boost in a turn

[sweet marsh]

its finally achieved what a single 5 speed mech could only dream of

moving 15 spaces with move+boost+oc boost

since we all know this is an illegal setup for normal mechs...

[covert surge]

A size 3 with 10 hp 2 armor moving at that speed, however

[real grotto]

Sayonara TTS 2 Iron Hand Blackbeard.

[covert surge]

🤔

tell me more

[real grotto]

So, I saw the Frundsburg, and figured one way to do the whole HA heat management thing would be to Fusion Pike Duelist 3 Grapple on turn 1, and proceed to vent heat into the poor sod with Iron Hand while smacking it with the Zwei.

Then I figured, if I’m going to do damage with a protocol while I’m grappling, I might as well go all the way. While I’m here, I might as well grab the Blackbeard and Zheng and make a Blackbeard that just has a massively amplified death hug.

Pretty much what Noelle said, builds that grapple and are concerned with heat love the Iron Hand.

[covert surge]

It ll still be there i just need to rotate it a bit so its more useful on its parent frame

Because a Götz von Berlichingen reference must be in this mech

[covert surge]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ijnnu7ysnYz8vg-Q-Z3NilyELG09jop1K7hY9-ZXsnQ/edit?usp=sharing

@tardy zephyr 1st draft

tbh i was never happy with unblancing blow, even when first making it I was bending over backward to make it work

[tardy zephyr]

You work fast...

The Terk magic.

[covert surge]

helps that I was already rotating pike and thor changes before this

[vale horizon]

iron hand at ll1 feels like a great spot for it

[tardy zephyr]

No more 1/scene on THOR, intense...

[covert surge]

but it also lose the ability to do it on your turn

helps balance it out and reduce the dirrect comparision to Asura

i was having a toss up between ll1 and ll2 for IH but I decided ll2 is good, its at the same level at TSS2 and its ability is a bit stronger than before

and because Crashing Blow is niche in and by of itself that I only feel comfortable putting it at ll1

crashing blow is also slightly changed so you can use your weapon's threat instead of having to be adjacent

[tardy zephyr]

Hmm... that does all feel like great changes, yeah. Blade Guard feels real interesting, and I bet meme builds will be even more enabled by Crashing Blow as a system

[covert surge]

those gets changed the last after everything finalized

[tardy zephyr]

makes sense

[covert surge]

oh wait i need to put in a no throwing clause on Crashing Blow lol

hmm yes i will throw this knife imbued with my weight

[tardy zephyr]

Also I've always wondered, what does the "interrupting their movement" bit on Push of Pike mean, exactly? It doesn't like, cancel their movement, does it?

[covert surge]

it just means that it happens immediately when its triggered, in the middle of the movement

[tardy zephyr]

Gotcha.

I was right then!

[covert surge]

basically like these

[spiral warren]

regarding chainblade, when on an aux/aux or flex mount, does it count as a "aux" attack or a special bonus attack whjich is separate to the aux/aux weapon restriction @covert surge

because they get a little silly on tokugawa

[covert surge]

aux attack

[spiral warren]

so it wouldn't be subject to the bonus damage thing?

[covert surge]

no boni damage

[spiral warren]

thank

imo a clarification on this kinda thing would be cool if this is the case

[stone shadow]

So, Togo shredded tonight

Took half the entounter and put it in a smog cloud

Held a control point in enemy territory by itself.
And I nearly died because of it

Traveled 13 spaces in a turn and murdered 1 1/2 NPCs along the way

It's slightly over tuned, on par with the DSAS, but it swings wildly with feast or famine

And anything that makes it too consistent rubs the risk of removing that chance element

[covert surge]

gambling, just as intended

[tardy zephyr]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xMaToXY6i9Hw-V3Jgr4DdZrDuGJYGnno41E84mLRiAY/edit?usp=sharing @covert surge

Now I sleep.

[covert surge]

Time to add more fish

A Witch NPC, who is Impaired, targets the Imp ally with Tear Down. It must make a contested Systems check to do this. It fails. The Specter I inserted to try and gank the solitary Dagon gets hit with 2 energy damage, as it's closest. The Witch rolls to attack on Tear Down, misses. The Specter gets hit again. The Witch tries to Predatory Logic the Raleigh and again fails the contested check. The Specter gets hit again. The Witch fails to Predatory Logic the Dagon. The Specter gets hit again. The Witch ends its turn, causing Impaired to fall off. The Dagon uses Forceful Insight to force it to roll a Systems save. It fails, is Impaired again, and the Specter is hit yet again.
The poor Specter has taken 10 energy damage and so has fucking died without a single roll being made against it, specifically

Comedy gold

[vale horizon]

lmfao

[hushed field]

I'm sad to see Blade Guard go up to LL2, but do also agree it probably does belong there. Crashing Blow being a system though, oh I am looking forwards to that.

That plus an Atlas is just peak Monster Hunter.

[covert surge]

imagine atlas missing with that :P

[hushed field]

sharp inhalation.

[stoic gazelle]

That, but make it a system so that Everest can do it

[stoic gazelle]

Skill issue, just don't miss

[safe obsidian]

Meanwhile the Monarch just shoots missile.
Can confirm. I shoot missile, and I'm pretty good at it.

[real grotto]

It’s what I always tell my GM: I have one job, which is to hit things with missiles.

[vale horizon]

🚀

[safe obsidian]

next saturday I am about to end multiple grunts' whole careers with my core

I switch my brain off and I switch my missiles on

[vale horizon]

the dagon's a funky one bc the flavor of everything is pretty peak, it's just such a like... you gotta really like off-turn bookkeeping

[safe obsidian]

anyway as for the feedback. I basically second noelle's feelings about what the dagon turns are like yeah. and the flavour-mechanics combination is top notch

[vale horizon]

you can't ever let your attention lapse during anyone else's turn or you might miss a trigger, unless you end up doing what we're doing in our group and making it into a mutual responsibility

"overhead" is definitely the word

[covert surge]

Overburdened with knowledge 😉

[real grotto]

I have to switch my brain on because I gave myself Tactician 3 and the Autopod.

[lofty bloom]

question about gorshkov but is the base frame or its systems being reworked at any point?

[minor widget]

additional gorshkov question to the above - does adaptive vision denial still give you hidden if you're engaged and would normally be blocked from Hiding?

[spring creek]

Me crying as I change a bunch of macros on roll20

[indigo grail]

dear god

I love it

[real grotto]

Believe their size, as they fall
And the dreadnoughts dread nothing at all

[delicate lichen]

and i'll fuckin do it again

[gray sluice]

Subutai core power listed as protocol in doc but as quick action in current lcp

[stark lichen]

Like, that's half the probelm with dealing with your Togo right now. I can punish your heat games with NPC invades, but your heat cap is so low, that if I start having NPCs sling invades at you, you'll melt down in one turn with no counterplay, but if I don't, you'll mulch half the op-for in a single turn

[stone shadow]

I completely agree with you

The feast and famine goes beyond its mechanics into counter play

I red line my own reactor so much a witch could turn me nuclear in two turns

[stark lichen]

one turn, mr 5 heat cap

[stone shadow]

I was thinking more than one stress

Each tear down is a stress, no counter play

My cloud won't work even, because witch needs no LoS

[stark lichen]

even basic NPC invades are a major threat if you're doing you danger zone dancing.

[stone shadow]

High Energy Wiggles is taken out back by a basic invade

Slowed +2 heat

Fear

[stark lichen]

NPC invades are only impaired

[stone shadow]

Oh, huh

Still scary when my heat cap is 5

[covert surge]

Witch do need LoS 🤔

[stark lichen]

Yeah, you need LoS for Tech Attacks

[stone shadow]

I thought tear down was just sensors?

Huh, my bad

[stark lichen]

it's part of making an attack

[covert surge]

everything needs Line of Sight unless specifically stated otherwise

[stone shadow]

I owe that Tortuga a stress

And the Blackbeard a new reactor

[stark lichen]

one of the things I don't like about some of the lancer formatting is that some abilties say "Line of Sight and Sensors" and some just say "Within Sensors"

[covert surge]

yeah trips me up too when I was new

[stark lichen]

But back the thread. One of the things we both agree on the Togo is that it has way too many checks during it's turn.

[stone shadow]

I'm still learning the lingo

The decision tree is insane

I'm no slouch, but I'm still starting and stopping alot

[stark lichen]

Attack with Weapon, Check to see if Overkill triggered, choose if you want to gain or loose heat, check to see if you enter or exit the danger zone.

[stone shadow]

Possibly follow up attack, check nuke cav

It's alot

We talked about reducing Gun the Engine and Fan the flame's to once a round or once a turn,

[covert surge]

me when the temperamental engine frame ends up having too many levers and gauge to watch during gameplay

me when the frame about the burden of knowledge ends up burdening the player with too much to remember about during gameplay

the consequences of swinging for the fences :P

[stone shadow]

You hit a hell of a home run! I'm just too dumb to pilot it properly

[tardy zephyr]

I was trying to think how you even could mess with Dagon and really sometimes a frame is just... how it is, you know? Reactive frames will be reactive.

(Data Lash tho... the poor specters...)

[covert surge]

this happens in my other works too (video game mods)

"time to make this ability look and feel really cool"
"fuck its too cool, players now keep using that ability even in situation its not good in and ignoring my other abilities"

yeah ill reign in datalash, hard to strike a balance when scorpion exist but ill see what i can do

[vale horizon]

scorpion doesn't have any limitations on its reactions but it only reacts to the attacker, right?

[covert surge]

Yeh, just lol 2 heat impair/jam

And usually 2 heat is valued higher than 2 damage

[vague ingot]

Just started playing a Geryon, does Serrated Sun Unmarked Metavault move things even if they can’t normally be pushed, pulled, etc? Also, do attacks against adjacent targets “draw line of sight” such that they would be blocked under the geryon’s CP?

[vale horizon]

my assumption is that it works the same way it does for puppet systems, where even though it doesn't say "push" or "pull" or "knockback", something with Heavy Frame would still be immune

[cosmic steppe]

I had a transcendental idea: total war(from Zhukov) with 100 hands (from ravana). Barrage with all 3 weapons then ram 4 times (1 extra from duelist)

Can’t use any of your weapons next turn, but if you have brawler 3 you probably won’t need to attack next turn

Wait shit heruka only has 2 main weapons

Not transcendental

[real grotto]

Improved Armament gives is another main/aux mount

[dense acorn]

I’ve honestly never felt like the dagon was too much? There are tech focused NPCs that can skirt around its traits like the spite, who forces saves rather than making tech attacks

Being good at killing witches is a good niche to have but also being size 3 means the sniper putting snipers mark and a lock on onto you is gonna have a field day unless one of your strikers covers you

[rigid chasm]

or you just go prone as a free action

[dense acorn]

Right but going prone as a size 3 can be a bad time

Dagon has health but no resistances or armor, and prone makes getting crit easier

Plus at size 3 your options for cover are extremely limited

[stoic gazelle]

Just tank the hit. Skill issue

[lofty bloom]

this is probably a horrible meme build for the Gorshkov but here we are

-- IPS-N GORSHKOV @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
  IPS-N GORSHKOV 3, HA FRUNDSBERG 2, HA SULEIMAN 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Sloped Plating, Integrated Ammo Feeds
[ TALENTS ]
  Infiltrator 3, Engineer 3, Grease Monkey 2, Duelist 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:4
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:17 ARMOR:2
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:10 REPAIR:6
  TECH ATK:0 LIMITED:+4
  SPD:5 EVA:8 EDEF:10 SENSE:15 SAVE:14
[ WEAPONS ]
  Integrated: Prototype Weapon III
  MAIN/AUX MOUNT: Tactical Melee Weapon / Tactical Knife
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Core Spike x6, E.R.A. x7, Blade Guard, Hostile Takeover, "Iron Hand" Heat Shunt

[cosmic steppe]

So I used a spear bearer in a combat.

I think I made a mistake giving him acrobat, since that meant he didn’t have to rely on gotterdamerung, but other than that he was really scary. Players are mostly striker team so they had trouble doing anything to him. It was tier 3, so 20 explosive was enough to scare everyone, though not instantly structure anyone

Using it felt very fun for me. Not a ton of enemies get to play with height, so stalking players very high up was very fun

Players complained they had to spend too much effort to deal with it, since it’s only available in the space of time between when gotterdamerung activates and it gets its turn to fly away. Maybe a little bit of a set-piece enemy

[covert surge]

Hmm i think removing reaction/engagement ignore from full cycle should let it be less free in term of skeedadle’ing

And uh yeah acrobat is probably bypassing its gameplay loop

[covert surge]

That being a speed 4 striker with a pseudo sheavt loading weapon :p

[digital torrent]

On the dagon, I assume the value of data lash drops off after a few LLs, as things get armor and what not. 1 point of armor is a pretty strong disruption to it

[cosmic steppe]

I realized a little anti-synergy for Hasta Pura. If you are jammed or you brace to throw the spear with Phalanx stance, you can't switch over to testudo stance, which is supposed to work while jammed and if you don't have the spear

Maybe when you are jammed or the spear is thrown you default to Testudo stance?

[covert surge]

Good point lol

[cosmic steppe]

playing gladiator on Monday, so thinkin a bit about it

[full cobalt]

I just read the Geryon. I love its Serrated Sun.

[covert surge]

🌞

[stoic gazelle]

are Jammed, I believe

[covert surge]

Grammar 😔

[full cobalt]

Does Morgan's Ransack stack with Material Scanner? I know half damage effects don't stack, but do double damage?

[covert surge]

They do stack

Though i do wonder what the hell you are trying to blow up lol

[stoic gazelle]

Something reinforced

[covert surge]

Reinforced masiff vault door

[stoic gazelle]

I wonder if even 40 damage is enough to make a dent in that

I know that more's possible, but gotta start somewhere

[spiral warren]

easy

barbarossa

[stoic gazelle]

We want whatever's in the vault to be usable afterwards

I wonder if there's something the Morgan could do to get more than the 200 damage Apocalypse Rail + Material Scanner can reach

[dense acorn]

its funny you mention that actually, only about 7 NPCs get armor on tier up, and of those 7, none cross over from 1 to 2 armor, and 3 of the 7 NPCs that gain armor are 3 armor at tier 1 so they cant be hurt by data lash to begin with

[rain topaz]

Hey, in the yermaks magentic claw system, at the end of the quick action thing, it says the yermaks lefting and dragging capacity is doubled, is that always while you have the system, or something else?

[covert surge]

always

[rain topaz]

k

maybe that should be moved out of the quick action and into the general text of the system?

to indicate it is a passive effect

[tardy zephyr]

Hmm. Hey Terk, do you think for Frundsberg, At Arm's Reach could be the old Unbalancing Blow effect?

[fringe dome]

Random question. How would one play the Arthur in your alls opinion? I love the look of the mech but its play style and what its goal for its turns

[covert surge]

the most straight forward and intuitive way to build an Arthur is just a standard heavy melee mech with the ability to store actions on turns its not in melee to use them on turns its in melee so it can do massive burst damage, and good Nucav plattform because HA

its also a quite good Sheavy plattform due to the ability to Edge of Tomorow into next turn overcharge to barrage twice and double tap the Sheavy

but most of its traits, aside from intergrated weapon, is quite weapon agnostic so you can do artillery Arthur too, or go into Sysop if you want to lean into more support. Servo Overcharge also means its not penalized quite as heavily when using self immoblize and brace system because it can somewhat get those movement back the next turn

[fringe dome]

Ohhh got ya. Ok so it’s basically maximizing the amount of stuff you do each turn and throwing a dance together to get its benefits alongside doing other not damage stuff?

[covert surge]

its kidna Raleigh esque in a way where it has off turn where it just kinda vibes and on turn where it dumps damage and kills someone

[fringe dome]

I love that lol. The art for it is also incredible. Definitely the sexiest mech I’ve ever seen

[digital torrent]

I built it by slapping paracausal mod on clarent and going to town

Also sysop to make giving out that boost more worthwhile

Also universal compatibility was a pretty good CB on it, because chances are you're pulling out exalibur once a fight. And it feels really nice to have a charged edge of tomorrow, heal from the brink as a free action and go to town with excalibur

[ornate verge]

So did a build with it as an artillery mech using the siege cannon but also had some ll for melee and honestly a combined arms set up works great. Not as good as a focused build but the look on people's faces when the "Artillery" mech pulls a Giant plasma sword on you and splatters you is glorious.

[rigid chasm]

oh dear god it just hit me that you can combo that with the Vlad's drill

[vale horizon]

sure can

probably lets you do some real nasty shit with heatfall OCing too

[uncut sonnet]

I was not ready to read 'siege cannon Arthur'

[ornate verge]

No one ever is lol.

[rigid chasm]

it occurs to me that the Serrated Sun on the Geryon could be a good Emitter weapon (instead of being a cannon)

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[spring creek]

I agree, but standardizing stuff like that across both homebrew and official content is a mess. I had the idea to make an RKF foundry and stick all the karrakin mechs under it. Since they're all alt frames it actually works... the problem is that you have to go in and edit all those differing LCPs. My more on topic point is that yeah, it would be a great emitter weapon, but then you're compelled to take another homebrew when you take tmnt. (Or you can do what you're probably thinking in the first place and just homerule it)

[unreal sparrow]

hey @covert surge is mehmed's revenge supposed to be non-unique?

[covert surge]

No i forgor

[novel wolf]

So all the frames are in the pins. Is there any other compilation of other things such as talents, npc templates, npcs and variant frames? Apart from just littered through this channel?

[covert surge]

its all just littered places lol tho NPC is in its own folder in my drive so

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1dXhKrcjLKdaXLyrfdnVSwWFdKDn5mMqI?usp=sharing

[novel wolf]

oH HELL yeah

And I assume there aint any LCP's for 'em or anything

[covert surge]

nah

[novel wolf]

Tier 3 Watch Operator casually hitting the griddy and skirmishing 3 times taking 9 shots in a turn 💀

[covert surge]

Hey you are facing a black ops death squad presumably you knew what you are getting into

[novel wolf]

Valid

You know what, can't argue with that...

[covert surge]

2000 parking violation

[novel wolf]

"CITIZEN, YOU HAVE BROKEN TRAFFIC, AND PUBLIC CONDUCT LAW 236 ARTICLE 45."
"Wuh? I just..."
"AS PUNISHMENT YOU MUST AGREE TO MANDATORY MILITARY SERVICE, 5 YEARS IN PRISON OR YOUR CAR GETS IMPOUNDED"
"I just got that car second ha..."
"IMPOUNDED CAR IT IS!" Shoots basic ass car with enough plasma to kickstart a fusion reactor "THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION, GOOD DAY CITIZEN"

[rigid chasm]

is the brudenell’s charges capable of being used during reaction movement?

[cosmic steppe]

"any voluntary movement" seems like it would imply that yeah

[covert surge]

yeh

[hushed field]

I have good news and bad news for Terk.
Good news: It's not the Rat King.
Bad news: I found a way to break TM&T. Again.
Full-Chassis Reinforcement + Napoleon. Enough said hopefully.

It doesn't work during Trueblack Aegis, but during TA you probably don't need FCR.

[covert surge]

Is this from play-test experience?

[hushed field]

No, this is theory, but I'd be surprised if it didn't hold up. I'd also be surprised if I could read, and surprised I am because apparently FCR was not as strong as I recalled it being. ><

I mean don't get me wrong, FCR and Napoleon go really well together, but.. I'm not sure it's OP.

[covert surge]

The napo fcr combo has been known since fcr was made :P

[hushed field]

nodnod. It's.. 9AM, I haven't slept. I'm very sorry.

[covert surge]

But imo its kind of whiteroom bracelord so im holding off on making any changes until someone played with it

Because brace is still brace and obliterate your action econ

[hushed field]

Doesn't the Arthur get away with it because it's already not doing anything half the time?

[covert surge]

Its in the arthur license for a reason yeah

[covert surge]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TQU7jCl0EvRccjynkFNfXHqAkP-NjC4r8SeJhMxH6OY/edit?usp=sharing

:))))))

Gilagmesh alt that is HA reverse engineering Aun mech

dedicated combined arm chassis that allows drones, pilots and infantry to hang off it as it goes into battle

[ember kelp]

Wealthspring is an excellent neologism

[covert surge]

mooney

I mispelled it actually but hey its evocative so mistakes into miracles

[shell quest]

Ah. The opossum

[full cobalt]

It should say it can overlap smaller allies.

In case you want a Fomorian Indara.

[covert surge]

nah fomorian already gives you bigger foot print and more attachment budget, i want the focus to be on drones and stuff with just some crumbs for atlas :V

[pale lance]

"Crumbs for Atlas."

Idk why this statement just sounds so sad

[covert surge]

F for atlas

[rigid chasm]

oh yeah, how exactly is the mordred supposed to be breaking the action economy?

is it just being able to skirmish a lot?

[covert surge]

Skirmish “with a heavy” a lot

[hardy citrus]

Terk 🤝 Me
Making an alt for a mech thats barely been out /pos

[covert surge]

Honnestly it started out as just a frame that could slot in either lancaster or gilgamesh and then i decided on gilgamesh for the striker factor and the legion drone shenaningan

[full cobalt]

Would the Legion Nexus making its drones size 1 prevent the mech from being in the same place as them?

[barren mantle]

does the hardlight overshield thing deserve its own mechanic, rather than treating it as a special overshield?

I can see this being tricky to remember especially if it can turn existing overshield into a super overshield that never bleeds over to health.

[covert surge]

It doesn’t

It works just as other Overshield with (while you have this Overshield, XYZ) works

[barren mantle]

so if i start my turn with 5 overshield, and then use hardlight overbarrier, I have 5 + 1 overshield. If I take 12 damage how much of that is negated?

[covert surge]

Overshield don’t stack

[barren mantle]

oh thats right

[covert surge]

They replace each others

[barren mantle]

so i replace my 5 with the 1 super overshield?

[covert surge]

Yeah

[barren mantle]

wow. that seems pretty stronk

not overly strong

considering it can only be granted one way basically, and you have to burn a turn for it

[covert surge]

You can OC loop just as Harrison intended :P

[barren mantle]

I am very interested in seeing what other zany Aunic mechs will eventually make it into the terk pack

also, sidenote - pumped to see aunic mech artwork

[covert surge]

Dont hold your breath lol

[barren mantle]

ill do it

my death will be on your hands

can you live with that?

[covert surge]

I shotgun out licenses and mech and maybe 1 out of 5 will be in the supplement

[barren mantle]

ever considered an NPC supplement?

[covert surge]

VOS is going to house some of the NPC i cooked up

But thats in the future

[barren mantle]

VOS?

[covert surge]

Supp after Mech & Tech is done

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GxhX_ryf2ud5c6xHuQeVVcw50ATkotnUAinUVVfSPIA/edit?usp=sharing

Lore

[barren mantle]

LORE

[covert surge]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aSLE1KO13fjxh0D56kPUtjovYue2rLwvWOT5mScVeNk/edit

Mechanics

[barren mantle]

hell yeah brother. Can't wait. I don't know if you have a testbed thats accessible, but if you get to the point of making an LCP, I can probably host a testbed instance of foundry for you to do public playtests

[covert surge]

Its going to be far in the future, once mech & tech is done

Speaking of which i should poke Bluenexa abt Zhukov

[raven socket]

hi yes hello

Oh btw, I learnt how to do spoiler blocks and stuff

I think

Like non-glitchy ones like that're in the default effect

Needs some CSS fuckery but I wanna try and use it for that thingy

[rigid chasm]

ontologic incisor dustgrave spoilers?

also heck yeah, zhukov

[covert surge]

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つgibe Zhukov

[lament geode]

Quick question, SSC Dragontail's ring of fire applies +1 burn bonus dmg to friendly atks tracing thru the wall. Typical instances of bonus damage state that it's either on successful hit or on crit and this one doesn't, a player in my game figured that reliable damage would inherit this +1 burn. Can I hear the author's intent/ruling on this?

[brisk osprey]

I just posted this in #mech-hangar, but wanted to share my latest autistic fixation.

[ LICENSES ]
  IPS-N GORSHKOV 3, SSC Atlas 2, SSC Metalmark 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Reinforced Frame, Kai Bioplating
[ TALENTS ]
  Demolitionist 3, Infiltrator 3, Prospector 3
[ STATS ]
  HULL:2 AGI:2 SYS:2 ENGI:2
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:18 ARMOR:1
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:8 REPAIR:5
  TECH ATK:+2 LIMITED:+1
  SPD:6 EVA:10 EDEF:12 SENSE:15 SAVE:14
[ WEAPONS ]
  MAIN/AUX MOUNT: Detonator / Pistol
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Pattern-B HEX Charges x4, Sapper Kit x4, Core Spike x3, Active Scanner, Jäger Kunst I, Multi-Gear Maneuver System, Reactive Weave```
It's a little squishy, but that's why we have Reactive Weave and spend most of the time hidden. Jager Kunst 1 for some potential crazy mobility (we love that for laying mines and getting to any high traffic areas), multi-gear is here mostly for fun and the tacticool feel. And surprisingly Prospector, because I didn't know that it deals 20AP to terrain that overlap the entrances created, seems very Saboteur-esque to blow up key walls and holdouts. Also handy for moving the team. 
Thank you for those who have read this un-prompted word vomit, and also thank you Terk for making a very cool and thematic mech.

[dense acorn]

While im not terk, typically bonus damage applies on hit, bonus burn would apply the same way (as something like a shock wreath chain axe/nanocarbon sword would)

[minor widget]

^ seconding this, reliable does not inherit bonus damage

[dense acorn]

I believe the only mechanically relevant trait that reliable inherents is AP

[full cobalt]

I'd recommend Ghostweave instead of Kai, because it allows you to hide on Braced turns.

[brisk osprey]

Can't you still do that with infiltrator 1?

Actually, as I'm thinking on it, I don't know the order of end of turn effects. So that's valid

[sweet marsh]

infil 1 doesnt help you stay hidden

huh i thought gorshkov's invis was a free action. then yeah, nevermind

[covert surge]

bonus damage is only on hit

[novel wolf]

-- HA Indara @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
  HA Gilgamesh 3, SSC Dusk Wing 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Integrated Ammo Feeds, Integrated Weapon
[ TALENTS ]
  Drone Commander 3, Combined Arms 3, Centimane 3
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:2 SYS:0 ENGI:2
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:19 ARMOR:1
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:9 REPAIR:6
  TECH ATK:0 LIMITED:+3
  SPD:5 EVA:10 EDEF:8 SENSE:10 SAVE:15
[ WEAPONS ]
  INTEGRATED WEAPON: Nexus (Light)
  MAIN MOUNT: Superthermal Blade
  FLEX MOUNT: Nexus (Light) / Nexus (Light)
  HEAVY MOUNT: Heavy Melee Weapon
[ SYSTEMS ]
  StunCrown x5, Utility Drone x5, Flicker Field Projector, SPEAR Charges x5, Pattern-B HEX Charges x6

Realised you can pick up a utility Drone and run around with it so I had the idea of a combined arms striker that drops a Utility Drone on its head and rushes people. Pop stun crown so enemies have difficulty on the save, use point blank grenades and spear Charges, nexus' and centimane to do control effects too.

Could pick up levels in zheng to become a brawler with TSS3, especially picking up Superior by design to overcharge grapple then fucking kick them into a wall as a full action. Anything with saves is pretty great...

[covert surge]

running around with the Utility Drone A U R A is aboslutely intended play pattern, as well as stuff like GMS Turret and Legion Nexus Drones

honnestly almost every Drone works with it, running around with Hive Drone or ICEOUT is also peak

[novel wolf]

WUH

Iceout is mad

"Immune to technology aura"

Become a striker with a tempest Drone on you and if anyone gets close just sprint at them and bounce 'em

[covert surge]

I mean you can already do it by grappling the ICEOUT drone Indara just make it much more convenient :P

Each drone open up new shenaningans ;V

[novel wolf]

Valid, but that suffers from grapple downsides

Fuck hive drones pretty fuckinh good

"Can I play balor?"
"We have a balor at home"

[covert surge]

Harrison armory can have a drone mech, as a treat

I would have said IPS-N has kidd but thats not really a drone mech license it just can use drones

[novel wolf]

"But but it's only a variant!"
"Do you want a drone mech or not!?"

Deployable mech :P

[covert surge]

Theres also EC Bligh

[novel wolf]

🫡

[covert surge]

SSC do not get drone mech as punishment for their crimes

[full cobalt]

Can you carry a Tempest Drone, or will it try to bounce you away like everyone else?

[covert surge]

You can, ill put something in there to make it work

[winter temple]

does the Frundsberg's "At Arms Length" trait stack with melee weapons that already have Knockback

(i.e. War Pike)

[covert surge]

all knockback stack

[barren mantle]

pg 105

ah Terk beat me to it

[winter temple]

Knockback 12 DD288

[covert surge]

if you want knockback shenaningan go Brudenell

if you optimize it you can Harrison Handshake someone for 36 Knockback

[stoic gazelle]

How often do you need to knock someone back 36 spaces rather than a mere 15 or whatever?

[barren mantle]

"Remember where you started this encounter? All the way over there? Remember how you only have a move speed of two? Remember how long it took you to get here? Well you're about to remember."

[hardy citrus]

Every turn if youre cruel and unusual

[covert surge]

"return to manufacturer"

every hour this mech grows longer and longer with more clauses

the drone mech curse

[novel wolf]

🤓 does this mean you're immune to the iceout drone as if you have an allied kidd with helpful tech actions they can't buff you 👆

[covert surge]

i never learn from making Rat King

drone mechs are the devil

[barren mantle]

but drones are so cool...in theory

[full cobalt]

Why is Zweihander unique? Is there some way to get more than one Superheavy on a mech at once?

[covert surge]

probably just artifact left from when I was inexperience

[full cobalt]

Verbal brain noise: Twerk Mwech and Twech

[covert surge]

Death

[steep pebble]

Huh, I haven't checked back here in a while, I wonder what happened since...
IPS-N Lord has been mainly nailed down.
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOO!

[covert surge]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TQU7jCl0EvRccjynkFNfXHqAkP-NjC4r8SeJhMxH6OY/edit?usp=sharing

ok I think i finally tightened it down well and make it so it can use both Tempest and ICEOUT without any hick ups

[novel wolf]

It doesn't say allied characters lmao

You can just pick up a priest and steal them

Not priest, but enemy drones

[covert surge]

Huh

[novel wolf]

So you can counter a bombards drone by just pocketing it

I'm so blind

Ignore me MB

I was reading over it like "It doesn;t say allied, lemme double check... Yeah it doesn't, reads it for 6th time How did I miss that?"

[covert surge]

The bombard drone at the sitrep are not free you cannot take them with you

[stoic gazelle]

Request: figure out a way to make it also work for picking up enemies

[covert surge]

[hardy citrus]

LMAO

[full cobalt]

points gun at drone You are my ally now.

[minor widget]

osiris gate 4?

[brisk osprey]

God, I just had the cursed need to see the power rangers megazord Indara. With a Kishka and Goblin latched onto it while it's got a suleiman in one hand and a lancaster on the other

throw in a hydra and all their drones just stappled on for good measure

[covert surge]

The bombard hyper-ventilating

[errant tundra]

can the Warchild that's riding your mech do Black Thumb things to the mech while you pilot it?
(Or even while one of your AI's pilot it, and you also do Black Thumb things...)

[cosmic steppe]

I’m just imaging a size 1/2 mech equips a super heavy melee and now the Indara just swings the size 1/2 mech at enemies like it’s a sword

[fringe dome]

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-thanos-thor-hammer-gif-14218970

[full cobalt]

https://fixupx.com/ByTwistwood/status/1528812193080295432

[covert surge]

Yeah it explicitly set up so you can black thumb off the get go

[errant tundra]

I am enamored with the idea of having 4 points of heat cooled essentially passively on each turn with both pilot and the Warchild doubling up on Black Thumb. Maybe not the best use of that core power, but it tickles me.

[royal pasture]

question how to make yermak as an NPC mech

[covert surge]

Scourer

big scourer

[tawdry jungle]

so what exactly does painted lady do?

[brisk osprey]

It looks like it wants to use thrown weapons, and support at least one ally that uses tech attacks in order to spam out it's core passive for extra damage, alternatively it might also want to tech attack in order to proc it as well?

[brisk osprey]

I just drummed up this build for it, the gameplan is to on first turn, be invisible, and hit IFF Spoof, which procs the guided javelin, then Skirmish with the Shock Knives, Shock-Wreathing someone in the process (preferably someone who's got scary ranged attacks). After that, you're in danger zone, so you get Nuke Cav benefits, dip out and get behind cover,then start using Rail Accelerator instead of cloak in order to have crazy range on your thrown weapons, IFF Spoof, then throw the tomahawks and Hunter 3 with the shock knife that has shock wreath on it to blind someone again hopefully.
I picked Exemplar since I wasn't sure what else to take, and it works for allied tech attacks, so they can proc the guided javelin for you.

[ LICENSES ]
  SSC PAINTED LADY 3, SSC Metalmark 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Integrated Weapon, Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints
[ TALENTS ]
  Hunter 3, Skirmisher 2, Nuclear Cavalier 2, Exemplar 2
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:2 ENGI:2
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:21 ARMOR:0
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:8 REPAIR:5
  TECH ATK:+3 LIMITED:+1
  SPD:5 EVA:10 EDEF:12 SENSE:10 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  Integrated: "RedRose" Guided Javelin Array
  INTEGRATED WEAPON: Tactical Knife
  AUX/AUX MOUNT: TH2 Tomahawk / TH2 Tomahawk // Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints
  FLEX MOUNT: Shock Knife (Shock Wreath) / Shock Knife
[ SYSTEMS ]
  IFF Spoof, Rail Accelerator, Chang'e-Class NHP x3, Active Camouflage, Reactive Weave```

Purely theoretical, dunno how good it is

[tawdry jungle]

interesting, so overall it's strictly better when paired with another frame

[brisk osprey]

Yeah, it really wants someone else tech-attacking in order to proc it's reaction attack with the guided javelin.

I'm sure you could also make a tech-attack build with this frame as well, but I'm unsure how to go about it. I like the gameplay loop of it though, invade-skirmish builds are inherently cool to me

[lusty holly]

Hi terk, how would you rule Total Warfare's compatibility with end of turn weapons like Autogun, or out of turn weapons like the Vorpal Gun?

[mossy tapir]

Ok so I want to kill things good with sword, is this the right build for this?

-- HA MORDRED @ LL3 --
[ LICENSES ]
  HA ARTHUR 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Heatfall Coolant System
[ TALENTS ]
  Duelist 3, Combined Arms 1, Iconoclast 1, Brawler 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:2 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:3
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:12 ARMOR:3
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:10 REPAIR:5
  TECH ATK:+1 LIMITED:+1
  SPD:3 EVA:6 EDEF:10 SENSE:5 SAVE:12
[ WEAPONS ]
  FLEX MOUNT: Shotgun
  HEAVY MOUNT: Clarent (Autonomous Edge Alignment)
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Full-Chassis Reinforcement, Ultracharger, Unstable NHP

I guess my fear is that i need to put more points in tech

[tawdry jungle]

personally i'd just recommend the GMS heavy melee they give out

[mossy tapir]

ok, why?

[tawdry jungle]

just because it's more damage

[mossy tapir]

ohhh and duelist doesnt work anyway on it right?

[tawdry jungle]

you'd have to swap that out for executioner yeah

[mossy tapir]

ahh ok thanks good to know

that throws a wrench in my idea

[mossy tapir]

Honeslty i would take the heavy but i am a bad roller so clarent is better for me personaly

[ LICENSES ]
  HA ARTHUR 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Heatfall Coolant System
[ TALENTS ]
  Executioner 3, Combined Arms 1, Iconoclast 1, Brawler 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:2 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:3
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:12 ARMOR:3
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:10 REPAIR:5
  TECH ATK:+1 LIMITED:+1
  SPD:3 EVA:6 EDEF:10 SENSE:5 SAVE:12
[ WEAPONS ]
  FLEX MOUNT: Shotgun
  HEAVY MOUNT: Clarent (Autonomous Edge Alignment)
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Full-Chassis Reinforcement, Ultracharger, Unstable NHP```

so how about this?

[covert surge]

Painted Lady is wicked fast if you stack reactions (which you comes out of the gate with two, Overwatch and the Intergreated weapon reaction)

great TTT user, too

its basically a hybrid tech attacker skirmisher that wants to do tech and wants to do skirmish, there isn't a super concrete gameplan, you just get more out of those two while being stupid fast

or you can run like VG3 dsas and be almost uncatchable due to Bounce! after Overwatching someone that tries to run up to you

[cosmic steppe]

Painted Lady also has really good action economy. You can do an invade into 3 seperate aux weapon attacks with a single quick action

[cedar whale]

Does Dagon's Sacrificial Spear count as an NHP for iconoclaust's memetic spark's purpose?

I'm leaning towards no since I don't think it can cascade nor is it a system

[covert surge]

It does :]

And it can “””cascade”””

[fringe dome]

Jesus

[covert surge]

RAI is it can only use Obsession when there is something to clear so you are not getting “free” spark at no cost

[spring creek]

@covert surge Does using Vengeance on a spearbearer replace the gotterdammerung target or add another one?

[covert surge]

Add another

Doing gotterdammerung unloads the spear anyway so in the rarer situation where it does get a clear path to chain it against two targets the second doesnt explode

[cosmic steppe]

aight completed a combat with a spearbearer without acrobat this time, so more accurate

he was very fun to use, and felt like a good obstacle for the players to play around, and less of just a giant damage source. Then the Dusk Wing went and 1v1nd it and that was pretty awesome. Its more reactionary roll felt an interesting contrast to most other strikers since he has a very specific way to be played against

Probably not good to put multiple in a single combat, I felt like its better to have a single stronger one. If there were 3 in a single combat it might feel a little weird

[covert surge]

Did they play ace combat music while dog fighting?

ill see what i can do to rotate it to be centerpiece

Or does it feel good as is for a centerpiece?

[cosmic steppe]

It’s a bit weird, feels almost more like a stage hazard. I’m not sure it has enough survivability currently to really be a centerpiece of a whole fight. Its ability to fly does make it hard for strikers to take it down, not helped in my game by using real distance for height and not the cylinders that you are supposed to use. But an artillery frame could probably deal with it without too much problem. Vengeance isn’t a strong enough retaliation method to deal with that, since a artillery mech will likely be able to get to hard cover easily

I’m not sure it works well enough as a centerpiece. The aforementioned lack of survivability against artillery and the ability to basically fully negate it through smart movement makes me think its not meant to be the boss of an encounter, but an annoying zone controller that forces the players to not be as aggressive as they would normally

Honestly I’m pretty happy with how it worked. I’ll ask my players for their input later as well

[covert surge]

O7

[keen verge]

I have a question about the quake generator under the suleiman license, can you activate sesmic pulse and upheaval as protocol without having to activate qauke?

[covert surge]

no, Quake is needed

[keen verge]

aight

[spring creek]

To follow up on the spearbearer feedback as a player: I think it did its entire job. Definitely felt like an environmental effect, and it added to the combat it was in quite well. For context, we were fighting a unholy lurker/hive combo and it took up most of our attention. Having a hard to hit/interact with spec ops spearbearer forcing us to move not just around the boss, but Dr. Gotdammerung felt real good, but it also doesnt feel like we really saw what it would look like in more general sitreps given that it was a boss fight.

[cedar fog]

with the Shackle Drone if it shackles an enemy on one turn can it on the following turn shackle it again slowing it by 2?

from the rat king license

[covert surge]

Only one shackle per drone but one character can be shackled by multiple drones

[lofty bloom]

so

weird question

but how does ERA interact with the Lycan's core power?

[covert surge]

Uuuuuuuh

No idea lol

I need to rework ERA anyway but have been putting it off

[lofty bloom]

it mentions base armor

so I'm not sure if it's talking about the frame's original armor or all armor on it

[covert surge]

Base X is always the frame’s original stat anyway

Or else a speed 7 enki will become slower when its in All Four

[lofty bloom]

ok

wanted to be sure

thanks for the answer terk!

[real maple]

The arthur's clarent seems tailor fit for it. 1d6+3 with a 2nd swing allowable from a barrage with lower damage. With edge of twilight it seems sensible to try and maximize the sword as much as possible right? Im looking at sekhmet for it for its bonus dmg from crits

[real maple]

Slightly concerned about the damage output but having accuracy is nice

[full cobalt]

On the Dragontail's Hou Yi, "in but an instance" should be "in but an instant".

[dense acorn]

i think it works perfectly fine on other frames that like melee, with executioner 2 you have many opportunities to crit with a barrage using the clarent and the first LL gives you autonomous edge alignment (high reliable potential) and ultracharger which just helps with all of that even more

[real maple]

Yea its why i think i want to try to get a sekhmet on my arthur

Between autonomous edge alignment, sekhmet crit bonus dmg and attacks, the clarent's baked in accuracy dice, and the arthur's reserved action ability

Its burst should be a lot of swings

Something like so
-- HA ARTHUR @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
IPS-N Blackbeard 3, HA ARTHUR 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
Heatfall Coolant System, Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints
[ TALENTS ]
Executioner 3, Gladiator 3, Pankrati 2, Combined Arms 1
[ STATS ]
HULL:4 AGI:2 SYS:0 ENGI:2
STRUCTURE:4 HP:21 ARMOR:1
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:10 REPAIR:6
TECH ATK:0 LIMITED:+1
SPD:4 EVA:10 EDEF:8 SENSE:10 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
Integrated: X-Caliber Plasmacore
FLEX MOUNT: Assault Rifle
HEAVY MOUNT: Clarent (Autonomous Edge Alignment) // Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints
[ SYSTEMS ]
SEKHMET-Class NHP, Reinforced Cabling, Personalizations, Armament Redundancy

[shell quest]

Hey so are questions about Laurel gonna get me killed with hammers or is it ok to ask about a ruling on a frame that is nowhere near out? :p

[covert surge]

Shoot

[shell quest]

Selhmet would be able to make an attack with the drone. Or does it violate prime directive? I mean... it's a melee attack and you take the action so everything checks out I think.

But the drones movement says fully free, right?

[covert surge]

Yes

[shell quest]

Very nice.

I don't think it's super viable, on account of a very high possibility that Sekhmet will decide to smack your own drones, but it seems like a fun gameplay loop :)

[covert surge]

Use your drone as a carrot to lure sekhmet in the direction you want lmao

[shell quest]

Love it.

[ember kelp]

Carrot-on-a-stick drone

1 sp, always stays in the same position relative to you

[shell quest]

The only problem I see is that the GM might decide that Sekhmet should try to throw the weapons at the drone if it's in throwing range... but then again that means there is no hostile within 5 spaces of me which seems like..m why would you engage Sekhmet at this point.

[real maple]

-- HA ARTHUR @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
HA ARTHUR 3, HA Sherman 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
Heatfall Coolant System, Universal Compatibility
[ TALENTS ]
Executioner 3, Sysop 3, Pankrati 2, Combined Arms 1
[ STATS ]
HULL:4 AGI:2 SYS:0 ENGI:2
STRUCTURE:4 HP:21 ARMOR:1
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:10 REPAIR:6
TECH ATK:0 LIMITED:+1
SPD:4 EVA:10 EDEF:8 SENSE:10 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
Integrated: X-Caliber Plasmacore
FLEX MOUNT: SUPERHEAVY WEAPON BRACING
HEAVY MOUNT: Tempest Charged Blade
[ SYSTEMS ]
Personalizations, Armament Redundancy, Redundant Systems Upgrade x2, ASURA-Class NHP x2, Custom Paint Job

Universal Compatibility to work with teammate's sisyphus potentially as well as free heals and restores with the Arthur's efficient core power. Sacrificing accuracy on the tcb with dumping auto stabilized hardpoints hurts though.

Asura class and Redundant Systems Upgrade for stabilizing to keep the fight going and to clear heat and to just get more actions.

Sysop because bolster lets me move, and the core power lets me bolster for free as well.

[covert surge]

Asura might be a bit weaker here (unfathomable) due to having just the TCB or the Xcalibur as SHeavy means you cant abuse the Asura Barrage + Skirmish + OC Skirmish turn 😔

[real maple]

True true. But having bonus actions like that is so nice

What would you suggest?

[covert surge]

wait why are you going arthur 3 if you aren't getting anything from its ll3?

I would personally go into either Toku for exbatt and deepwell, brudenell for breach shield and rocket, or go into Sunzi for Accelerate or Subutai for Reactor Overcrank (bolster synnergy) and Conqueror Path for more set up mobility, because the Arthur is still a speed 3 melee frame

Nelson is also good if you want to slap Thermal Charge on the TCB, or go deep into Saladin for Paracausal, with the niche side effect that the Arthur can use the Saladin shield system well due to being able to Servo Overcharge after the round when its Immobilized which Saladin shield tends to do

[real maple]

because it was a copy from my clarent build and i forgot to adjust accordingly lol

ah thank you v much

[full cobalt]

I don't get why you have Heatfall anyway. It does a lot less for Superheavy builds.

You'd be better off with Autostab on the TCB.

[covert surge]

they are probably doing the Edge of Tomorow into OC double Barrage to swing TCB twice combo

[novel wolf]

W u h

[covert surge]

Did you not figure out the Arthur double barrage combo lmao

Edge of tomorow makes it so you can barrage once as a quick action after spending a quick action to set it up. Overcharge grants a quick action. Ergo after charging Edge, you can OC to Barrage and then normal Barrage in one turn

Its why its core power is set up to last until end of turn and not like “once”, if you set up edge and OC you can swing Xcalibur twice in one turn

[vale horizon]

the Anime Protagonist turn

[novel wolf]

I did, I just... Didn't fully clock it despite knowing full well it was an option

"I am much more efficient, using my TCB to bypass the bastions death counter so I can one shot it with my second attack"
"Why didn't you just overcharge and stab it with a regular main weapon?"

[covert surge]

Cant say no slapping someone with 3d6 + 4 AP, twice

Also what main weapon, SHeavy ate both your mounts already :V

With an average of 29 you honestly got pretty good chance of just one-turn’ing even a Goliath

[rigid chasm]

i do still think the mordred would be slightly better if it wasn’t in the same license as the Sword That Can Barrage Anyway

[brittle thicket]

Oh speaking of Arthur builds, I made an Artillery-focused one that I call "Payload of Tomorrow" (aka "Launch 6 Billion Missiles")

-- HA ARTHUR @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
  SSC Monarch 3, HA ARTHUR 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints, Heatfall Coolant System
[ TALENTS ]
  Brutal 3, Stormbringer 2, Nuclear Cavalier 2, Sysop 1, Executioner 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:2 AGI:0 SYS:2 ENGI:4
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:15 ARMOR:1
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:12 REPAIR:5
  TECH ATK:+2 LIMITED:+2
  SPD:3 EVA:8 EDEF:10 SENSE:10 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  Integrated: X-Caliber Plasmacore
  FLEX MOUNT: Sharanga Missiles (Stabilizer Mod) // Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints
  HEAVY MOUNT: Gandiva Missiles (Stabilizer Mod)
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Ultracharger, TLALOC-Class NHP

Basically:

• Round 1: Use Edge of Tomorrow + some other quick action (likely bolster), or, if necessary to clear Heat, Overcharge to use Edge of Tomorrow and Stabilise. Also free action Boost if last round Tlaloc was activated if needed
• Round 2: Activate Tlaloc, overcharge to Barrage with Edge of Tomorrow, then regular Barrage to fire 6 missiles with a bunch of accuracy, each that can be rerolled. (don't worry, Heatfall Coolant System got you)
• Rinse, repeat
• Activate X-Caliber if anyone gets into melee range with Executioner I.
• Sysop is there because might as well support your allies on your off/melee turn.
• Brutal III is there simply to stack more accuracy with Tlaloc.

We might be stacking too many accuracy die to make them actually useful but also consider: it is fun to stack dice

[covert surge]

Hell yeah more arti arthur builds

Weapon agnostic traits :3

[brittle thicket]

Mhm! Arthur is one of my favourite licenses and frames for that reason :v

I love crashing the action economy 🥰

[real maple]

Sysop seems worthwhile to grab if you plan on bolstering at all

Which seems like a decent idea considering it lets you move too

[covert surge]

Anything to make bolster more useful :P

[real grotto]

I gotta say, while I haven’t tried it yet, using the Carbine mod with a Raleigh to make what is effectively a sawn-off Cyclone Pulse Rifle sounds like a good idea.

[vale horizon]

the world's fanciest obrez

[hushed field]

I dunno if I've said this, but I think the Frundsberg actually makes a pretty decent artillery platform.

[rain topaz]

There's no response to this

I'm flabbergasted

You've devised a joke with no reproach

👏👏👏

[hushed field]

No, really!

Its traits don't lend itself to its usage in such a way, but they do lend themselves to defence against stuff like Ronin very well.

[brittle thicket]

HA R&D tearing their hair out as pilots start using the Frundsberg as an artillery platform

[hushed field]

Basically the idea is that you're a portable pike and shot.

Well, self-contained. Also, you have the chonk to be on the frontlines, so you can easily hit their backlines.

[vale horizon]

lmao

"what do these fucking people WANT?!"

[hushed field]

As for why I don't use the Barbarossa? I don't actually really want the Apoc Rail, and the Frundsberg can defend itself.

..Better, at least.

[real grotto]

Also, with Terk’s rework to let the Frundsberg book it with consecutive Boosts, it’s a relatively mobile Artillery piece.

[hushed field]

But still, the idea is less "artillery Frundsberg" and more "single-piece pike and shot". This also pairs really well with the Saladin's area shield.

[lusty holly]

You can't barrage twice in a row with this build because both weapons are ordnance

[brittle thicket]

FUCK

Guess I have to remove that (the Stabiliser mods)

well at least that means I can invest more into Hull and other stuff :V

Thanks

[full cobalt]

I've never known a good reason to put Stab mods on a weapon that wasn't already ordnance.

[lusty holly]

All good man, I got super confused by ordnance restriction and action duplication restriction all the time

I like stabiliser mod on Gorgon's vorpal gun cuz it does nothing to deter that weapon

so now you have a 2d6 turret that cheekily checks for anyone with the gall to hurt your teammate within 10 squares of you

[real maple]

Am I cooking or am I banned from the kitchen

-- HA ARTHUR @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
HA ARTHUR 2, HA Genghis 3, HA Subutai 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
Heatfall Coolant System, Superior by Design
[ TALENTS ]
WEAPONSMITH 3, Black Thumb 3, Nuclear Cavalier 2, Drone Commander 1
[ STATS ]
HULL:2 AGI:2 SYS:0 ENGI:4
STRUCTURE:4 HP:17 ARMOR:1
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:14 REPAIR:5
TECH ATK:0 LIMITED:+2
SPD:4 EVA:10 EDEF:8 SENSE:10 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
Integrated: X-Caliber Plasmacore
FLEX MOUNT: SUPERHEAVY WEAPON BRACING
HEAVY MOUNT: Plasma Thrower
[ SYSTEMS ]
Turul Drone, AGNI-Class NHP x3, Weaponsmith Modification 1: Crit: Prone, Weaponsmith Modification 2: Armor Piercing, Weaponsmith Modification 3: +1 Accuracy, Personalizations

Wait i should definitely put weapon reinforcement on here otherwise it would suck to lose a mount

[full cobalt]

You need to put the mod on the weapon.

[real maple]

It wont let me for whatever reason so i just left 3 sp empty

[tawdry jungle]

does anyone have the old aqualia?

or was that put down to be worked on at a later time

[real maple]

Hm yea this can be improved. The plasma thrower is a cqb

[full cobalt]

Yeah, get at least Vanguard 2.

[real maple]

Agreed!

[real maple]

-- HA ARTHUR @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
HA ARTHUR 2, HA Genghis 3, HA TUKHACHEVSKY 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
Heatfall Coolant System, Superior by Design
[ TALENTS ]
WEAPONSMITH 3, Nuclear Cavalier 2, Vanguard 2, Exemplar 1, Leader 1
[ STATS ]
HULL:2 AGI:2 SYS:0 ENGI:4
STRUCTURE:4 HP:17 ARMOR:1
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:14 REPAIR:5
TECH ATK:0 LIMITED:+2
SPD:4 EVA:10 EDEF:8 SENSE:10 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
Integrated: X-Caliber Plasmacore
FLEX MOUNT: SUPERHEAVY WEAPON BRACING
HEAVY MOUNT: Plasma Thrower (WEAPONSMITH MOD RANK 3)
[ SYSTEMS ]
AGNI-Class NHP x3, Personalizations, Armament Redundancy, "Firewall" Signal Shield x5

Something a little more optimized.

[lusty holly]

what's weaponsmith

not sure i have seen that talent before

so you might have to check with your GM if mixing homebrews is kosher

[real maple]

Yeah mixing mech parts is not ok

But other things like gear and talents are

[brittle thicket]

It's from Interpoint iirc - basically a talent that gives you a custom mod that upgrades every rank but gets more expensive

[stoic gazelle]

GMS core

[covert surge]

R&D

[mild prairie]

we are going full circle smh

[hushed field]

I suppose the idea is that it sets up somewhere and is basically impossible to then dislodge, since it can't really be melee'd.

[outer flame]

Saturation Bombardier if i have two can i have them target the same mark

[covert surge]

seperate mark

[real maple]

Painted Lady's IFF spoof is NOT an invade correct?

So it doesnt work with the javelin...?

[covert surge]

not an invade but its still a tech attack

[real maple]

Oh I see woops

[digital torrent]

You have to add it as exotic gear

[real maple]

ahhh ok tyty

[bleak sigil]

-- HORUS Lycan @ LL8 --
[ LICENSES ]
HORUS Manticore 2, HA SULEIMAN 3, IPS-N Tortuga 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
Fomorian Frame, Superior by Design
[ TALENTS ]
Nuclear Cavalier 3, Executioner 2, Pankrati 2, Prospector 2, Brutal 1, COMMANDO 1
[ STATS ]
HULL:2 AGI:4 SYS:0 ENGI:4
STRUCTURE:4 HP:18 ARMOR:2
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:12 REPAIR:4
TECH ATK:+1 LIMITED:+2
SPD:5 EVA:10 EDEF:10 SENSE:8 SAVE:14
[ WEAPONS ]
Integrated: Shock Claws 1 3d6+6
Integrated: Fuel Rod Gun 3 3 1d3+2
FLEX MOUNT: Edge Of The Universe 1 1d6
HEAVY MOUNT: Daisy Cutter 7 3d6
[ SYSTEMS ]
Personalizations, Thumper x4, HyperDense Armor, Quake Generator, Custom Paint Job

Cant remember if I have put this here before, but the Suleiman has really given me the systems to round out my Lycan. I am loving these options in combat, especially now that I have had about six combats with the systems to try them out

[spiral warren]

🙂

[dense acorn]

Do the zhukov’s weapons benefit from mount modifications since they replace ejected weapons? Like if a mount had autostabilizing hardpoints would the chosen weapon be autostabilized?

[dense acorn]

Mmmm interesting

[spiral warren]

I agree

[bitter sphinx]

What's the general release process for this, and do y'all want/need help?

[shell quest]

Haii! How does onthologic Incisor's "ignores invisible" interact with phase-ready?
Does it remove the invis effect?

[full cobalt]

Based on its interaction with Eye of HORUS, yes it does.

[shell quest]

OOP

I missed that part.

Sorgy for the troublez

"Secondary attack" is anything but the skirmish or Barrage actions yes?

[covert surge]

if you make more than one attack as part of any action

[shell quest]

So it could still be Heavy gunnered, cool.

[crude ravine]

just so long as you don't try to use rank 3

though that's pretty sweet for heavy gunner in any case - can't halve 1 Structure Damage, I think?

[brittle thicket]

I don't think so but, even so, everything is assumed to round up to the nearest whole number in Lancer so half of 1 is 1

[covert surge]

You can use rank 3

The clause is basically in there for future proofing if theres any frame that can turn one hit into aoe or into two hit

For now, yes “deal half damage” has no effect on incissor

But im open to change if in actual play it turns out too strong

[dense acorn]

heavy gunner 3 ontological incisor is really a mind game weapon

you mark your tergets and then the GM has to deliberate if you're just throwing the impair down because you can or if you're gonna expend that limited charge when they move that unit

[brittle thicket]

Imagine if you just used the talent on a grunt

with the incisor

[errant tundra]

reminds me of Didymos, but like, inverted

[spring creek]

the fact that terk hasn't posted a new mech in 9 days terrifies me

[brittle thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/i-think-hes-up-to-something-ty-rux-dinotrux-he-is-planning-something-suspicious-gif-17929205

[covert surge]

Nah im just busy with commissions

We are still waiting on zhukov anyway

[real grotto]

Hrm. The incisor also works with Hyperdense Armor, then?

[spiral warren]

Wake up

No Zhukov

Day ruined

[dense acorn]

In theory yeah, theres synergy in the tortuga license too

Siege ram good with total warfare
CatHam good with quick detach
And of course DSAS is DSAS

[real grotto]

Bayonet Charge DSAS does look fun.

[covert surge]

MFW I made another weapon that would fit the Zhukov but I ran out of space in the license

i think ill keep it in the backpocket, in case neutron doesn't pan out

[hushed field]

Oh hey um, I just want to say, the reason no Zhukov is that Nexa is having a very complicated time in her life, and I don't want to say more for her privacy.

[rigid chasm]

that's totally fair, do not want to blame them

[bitter sphinx]

That, my friend, is a very good approximation of an RPG

[bitter sphinx]

Or any Shaped charge warhead, really

[shell quest]

The incisor plays funny.

Incisor feels like you have replaced your heavy with a core power. You kinda don't have a Heavy weapon, you have a funny Bifurcate that does not chain.

It's weird to think about because on the other hand, some heavy weapons can very easily double-donk multi-structure targets, for more than 1 struct, which is something the incisor is fully incapable of by design.

It seems... fine? It does activate the "We need that for later" lizard part of my brain.

[covert surge]

Its a silver bullet for specific situation with great floor but also unmovable ceiling

Very efficient at dealing with ultra and Goliath but if you got like 3 ronin running around you probably want a normal gun

[shell quest]

... could a Ronin Reflect "one structure" damage? Or is that a special thing and the gun technically deals no damage unless it misses.

[real grotto]

All the Ronin Reflect would do would be to potentially damage you, since Resistance doesn’t stop 1 Structure.

[shell quest]

I do know. But I am asking if it could bonk you with the 1 structure.

That is a deeply amusing thought.

MAD zhukov

[covert surge]

Ronin repeat the attack so yes you can structure self

[wraith surge]

The desire to make a Chicxulub gauntlet Störte build...

[dense acorn]

💭quad sub arc pistol togo

[shell quest]

When you yeet a weapon (Zhukov) do all protocols granted by it end immediately? Specifically thinking about Terashima stances.

[covert surge]

yes

[shell quest]

Probably won't use it because of the system point requirement but I feel like that opens up significant shenanigans.

On a more useful note, you can "unspin" a Drake minigun after firing it by dropping it.

[bitter sphinx]

I mean, it's a protocol anyway, right?

[shell quest]

Yes, but you can only take the protocol at the start of the round.
So you cannot shoot the gun if you wish to unspin it

*turn

Mb

[stoic gazelle]

If an enemy just stands still in the Yermak's salvager beam after it's placed, do they take any damage?

[covert surge]

they don't, though chosing not to move of course comes with its own problem

[stoic gazelle]

That problem just being that they're standing still?

[covert surge]

yes

[stoic gazelle]

Thanks for the quick reply 👍

[rain topaz]

does the lifting & dragging cap doubling from magnetic claw stack with synthetic muscle netting?

Also, could you use Phasmas articulation sync to trigger a grapple from bonded 3?

[covert surge]

Dont stack

And yes

[rain topaz]

dope

im making a build im tentativly calling "how much can a turn a gorgon into a ball of arms to grapple with"

F***, i forgot that you cant take reactions while grappling

[smoky meteor]

unless you're a Blackbeard

[rain topaz]

yeah

-- IPS-N Blackbeard @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
IPS-N Blackbeard 2, IPS-N Zheng 2, SSC Phasma 2
[ CORE BONUSES ]
Titanomachy Mesh, Integrated Weapon
[ TALENTS ]
Vanguard 3, Duelist 3, Combined Arms 1, Brawler 1, Gunslinger 1
[ STATS ]
HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:4
STRUCTURE:4 HP:23 ARMOR:1
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:8 REPAIR:7
TECH ATK:-2 LIMITED:+2
SPD:5 EVA:8 EDEF:6 SENSE:5 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
INTEGRATED WEAPON: Bristlecrown Flechette Launcher
FLEX MOUNT: Bristlecrown Flechette Launcher / Bristlecrown Flechette Launcher
MAIN MOUNT: Blade Mantle
HEAVY MOUNT: Electrohydraulic Claw
[ SYSTEMS ]
Total Strength Suite II, Synthetic Muscle Netting, Articulation Sync, Stable Structure

recently made this build, which i would generally describe as a sawblade cabable of grappling

it was all built around wanting to use titanomachy mesh, which i havent really used much (except for in my punch god brudenell build)

[spring creek]

Looking at capacitor bolt and we have some questions - Can you target an ally with capacitor bolt's initial thing? It seems RaW you can bypass the agility save by targeting an ally to get all adjacent enemies to fall over and take 3 heat @covert surge

Or does it change its mode depending on the initial target?

[covert surge]

Change mode

[azure harness]

Out of curiosity, has anyone made a Retrograde-style token for the Gorshkov? One of my players is planning on picking the frame up this coming campaign.

[full cobalt]

Oh my God, the Genghis Mk 3.

[full cobalt]

Will the Carbine Conversion Kit work on every weapon on a Tagetes?

[rain topaz]

Oooooh

[full cobalt]

Well, not quite every, but a lot of them.

[minor widget]

it should, similarly to how you can throw CQB mods on Viceroy launchers

[rain topaz]

out here doing weapon-type alchemy

"yes, i know its a superheavy cannon, but, and hear me out, i think it would be very effective if i shot them just right in the face"

[cerulean smelt]

You'd think it'd be effective in the face already but you just gotta add a little bit of oomph

[rain topaz]

Well you gotta add some shielding so you don't get hit by the backblast

And the small comical laser sight

[full cobalt]

Andromeda Heavy Laser Cannon Rifle Carbine

[rain topaz]

It's like a laser pointer you don't need

Which is, a noticably worse weapon, as it has overkill and inaccurate now

[covert surge]

😉

[brittle thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-i-knew-it-chandler-gif-15801472

YOU WERE UP TO SOMETHING

[covert surge]

dual wield displacer

[brittle thicket]

oh god

Slap on two Sacrificial Spears for the ultimate Iconoclast build

[covert surge]

where did all of your sp go?
uhhhhhh....

[brittle thicket]

Jesus that would be an expensive build

[spring creek]

dual wield Scorpions

the most unhackable build

or black ices, jesus

[brittle thicket]

11 SP dedicated to NHPs only wow

[dense acorn]

Double black ice is overkill to the point of irrelevant i think

[spring creek]

double asura on an everest

Im somewhat of a action taker myself

[dense acorn]

this kills the pilot

[covert surge]

biblically accurate Asura Prime

hell you might run out of actions lol since duplicate action restriction

[spring creek]

yeah favor it as just a single NHP thats twice as likely to cascade

[spring creek]

alternatively, use it to fire cprs almost every fucking turn

with no heat control

[dense acorn]

You would need the horus core bonus tbf

[spring creek]

well sure

[dense acorn]

Double asura w/ terks inland antagonist talent would be hilarious

Asura argues with itself

[covert surge]

reaching critical disco level

[spring creek]

or double lucifer

[rain topaz]

We in the biz call that a reactor failure

[novel wolf]

As a free action you may explode immediately

2 ARMAMENT REDUNCANCIE'S >:D

Actually 2 terashima blades are cracked...

[rain topaz]

Wow, as a free action, that's a full full action less than regular self destruct, thanks sir

[rain topaz]

You'll pry this knife out of my hand when I'm a fucking wreck

[novel wolf]

uck
🫴

[rain topaz]

Damn you discord formatting

I give up

[novel wolf]

*wasd*

[rain topaz]

Well la de da

||/j||

Look at mx.fancypants

[novel wolf]

If you do \* it doesn't do formatting

~~wasd~~

[rain topaz]

I tried that but it didn't work for some reason

[novel wolf]

Also 2 uniques is kinda goofy lmao... Some things look totally broken and others are like "oh btw you can siege stabilisers twice"

Thanks now I have a range 13 decksweeper

Or 2 accelerates if you want to turn speed 2 into speed 12 or something

[dense acorn]

Range 13*

Cant be used in range 10

Double external battery thermal rifle

Mmmm 1d3+2 AP range 15

Just dont get structured

[novel wolf]

THREAT 9 MELEE

[covert surge]

just dont get structured

[covert surge]

Finally, Myiamoto Musashi

Hmm only allow counterfeit for weapon might be more balanced

Since its still just weapons and not double Sekhmet

Double autupod tho lmao

[novel wolf]

That isn't even too bad cos they'd have to trigger on unique consumption of lock on

[full cobalt]

Unless you're a Gorgon.

[novel wolf]

Yea

But like... id rather use vorpal gun lmao

[bitter sphinx]

2 Terashima blades.....

[covert surge]

https://tenor.com/view/disco-aramusha-for-honor-samurai-ronin-gif-3712250162833906919

[bitter sphinx]

Would 2 stances at once work?

[covert surge]

Yeah and it would be dope as fuck

[bitter sphinx]

👀 2 Sets of Seige Stabilisers

2, overlapping, paint jobs

Hyper redundancy

[novel wolf]

2 PAINT JOBS!!!

2 Paint job balor let's go

[covert surge]

Only unique weapon seems the way to go and some ribbons on that rank

Because worst you can get is double terashima for 4sp

[novel wolf]

2 expanded compartments

2 of each GMS equipment is godly

There are only 6 unique weapons I guess

Maximum heat gunner, 2 Gilgamesh swords for +6 heat

[covert surge]

Based, more heatgunning plz

[rigid chasm]

more importantly, two of limited systems

[covert surge]

For too long NPC has gotten away with their heat cap

[bitter sphinx]

I don't wanna set the world on fiiiiiire.....

Just that guy in particular

[hardy citrus]

2 terashimas came to mind cause of course it did lol

[covert surge]

biblically accurate Myiamoto Musashi

[bitter sphinx]

Suggestion: have it be you can have 2 uniques from any licence you have the level above them of

You want a T3 unique? Take a 4th rank in something, with no other benefits

[covert surge]

Nah im axing system entirely, only uniqye weapon. System open too many cans of worms

[bitter sphinx]

So it only works with 6 different licences?

[bitter sphinx]

And does Lock On stack?

[covert surge]

No

[bitter sphinx]

I was going to say that made 2 Black Spots redundant, but.....

Then I saw the on-hit 👀

[bitter sphinx]

Gotta love +2 acc on all drones, missiles, and Nexi

[covert surge]

i dont think that stack either, same effect dont stack unelss stated otherwise. You can barrage and tag two people at once tho

[bitter sphinx]

True that

[covert surge]

Oh Think Tank help me balance this thing

version like 6 at this point

[hardy citrus]

Wait are there that few unique weapons

[lofty bloom]

You could make it so any gear gained from the forged license is forced to be destroyed upon structuring

[full cobalt]

I'd have Copy IFF be second, because it's stronger.

[mossy tapir]

hey is the squire one on mech and tech?

[covert surge]

the Laurel?

in the future pipeline

[mossy tapir]

yes ok cool, it looks so fun, so does the Aquilegia, but thanks for saying so. I saw the post on tumblr and whent ohhhh

[bitter sphinx]

Yup

[rain topaz]

Tbf, I think that's most people's reactions when terk spits out a new frame

[mossy tapir]

ok so what are good complementary licenses for the Mordred frame

[rain topaz]

Id say manticore, since they both do self damage

[shell quest]

I would disagree tbh. White witch is amazing tho.

Manticore does have good invades, but the Mordred isn't really as resilient to self damage as Manticore.

[dense acorn]

yeah manticore is Scary for mordred

while it has 3 armor, it only has 6 base HP and the manticore hacks do AP damage

also beckoner is not so good with a sensor range of 5

smite could work well but its the only thing in the manticore license until maybe LL3 that works for the mordred, i dont think mordred particularly cares about catalyst pistols or the arc projector

[shell quest]

White witch is fun because it let's you lock down someone once you get them in rang.

Retort loop would be great, but too slow to stack if you're abusing the "many attacks with a heavy" it will fall flat.

I remember now. It's Gorgon.

Specifically the sentinel drone.

[real grotto]

The Caliban license is great, I think, but I could be wrong. Hardpoint Reinforcement gives you Resistance to every attack you take for À Mort and Crownbreaker.

[shell quest]

The sentinel drone is amazing. It's essentially a "must dip"

Especially since Mordred does not care for clarent

[real grotto]

I hadn’t even thought of the Sentinel Drone, that’s pretty good.