Terk Mech & Tech

[rain topaz]

no i get it i think

i imagine lcp's cant make it so you can repair multiple systems with 1 repair

maybe someday i will make an lcp, instead of just like, opening the lcp maker and realizing, "oh, yeah im not ready for this"

[raven socket]

It's honestly not as complicated as it looks

Just be aware you'll often need to do some manual editing of the files it makes

[rain topaz]

yeah

[raven socket]

Because it isn't perfect

the no.1 thing that makes it easier is that LCPs are literally just renamed zip files

[rain topaz]

ah, nice

hm, what does lcp stand for?

(if it stands for anything)

[raven socket]

lancer content package or something like that

[rain topaz]

ah, dope

love me a good acronym

been playing around with intercorp, might add it to my little list of consistently used homebrew

does 21 include those currently released?

[raven socket]

Aye

I think it's 21, anyway

too few spoons to do a recount

[rain topaz]

i count 18 on the doc (not including the meme frames)

then theres phasma

so 19

(assuming phasma will be there)

[raven socket]

we added more frames than were originally there

like the gorshkov and stuff

by we I mean terk during fey moods™️

[rain topaz]

yeah

[pliant token]

It scratches that bionicle itch, don't it

[rain topaz]

yes

i was a lego child

[pliant token]

Put lancer mechs in a can, let me buy it

[rain topaz]

and also autistic, but im sure that has nothing to do with it

[raven socket]

ASD gang

[rain topaz]

please dont drink the vlad

[pliant token]

I still remember the freaking... 2003? 2006? Bionicle flash game

[rain topaz]

or really any horus mech

[raven socket]

I feel like 99% of the people on this server are some flavour of queer and/or neurodivergent, and I'm 100% all for it

[pliant token]

Blew my tiny mind

[raven socket]

(I myself fall into both camps)

[rain topaz]

woop woop

[raven socket]

I had a bionicle game for like

the PS2, I think?

That I really liked

had you collecting masks and stuff

[pliant token]

Probably both but undiagnosed and I don't want to be insensitive so I don't include myself in those labels what WHAAAT

[rain topaz]

i got into bionicle after they stopped actually making the line, but i inherited all sorts of pieces from my dad, and i believe ive seen most of the films

i was more a hero-factory kinda person

[raven socket]

IMO, if you're confident that there's no other good explanation than having a certain condition, and can't reasonably get diagnosed, IMO it's okay to self-identify with it

As long as you make that part clear

[rain topaz]

i would second that

[raven socket]

You seen the upcoming game?

[rain topaz]

like, i straight up passed my first autism assessment

then some time passed and my parents were like "hm, maybe we should have him take it again, just maybe"

man i wish i could play some lancer

sadly i already have plans for the next rpg campaign i will be in

and it includes signifigantly less big mechanical warriors

not 0 big mechanical warriors, but signifgantly less than a lancer campaign might have

tbf, seems on brand for the rat king, since it is like, a robot trashcan someone stuck some liturgicode into

now im very fond of this robot trashcan, but i cannot deny that it is a robot trashcan that horus looked at and decided should be able to kill people

and then someone decided to have some fun figuring out what special way it would kill people

and everyone (except the fullness of the federal karrakin monarchy) thanks them for that

[covert surge]

The roomba with a gun taped to it

Just a thousand of these streaming out of the sewer with pinpoint aim because they are all connected back to one central processing unit

[rain topaz]

we're very proud of gun roomba

it would just be nice if gun-roomba would stop bugging everytime it runs into a wall

okay, so the existence of this guy has just sparked a wonderful concept into my head, which is, instead of my usually image of like the drones having weapons built into them, the rat king just has like 20 pistols strapped to it and when it deploys a sputnik it just hands its drone-child a gun

(can you tell i really like the rat king)

[raven socket]

I can, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that :D

[rain topaz]

its such a good trash boy

it might also help that the rat-king that ive built up is the mech of my weird nhp-human child

which is to say, not the child of an nhp and a human, but a child who as they were born was combined with an nhp, and now is something new

i like playing around with the character of "rather powerful and strange child who has absolutely no idea what is going on"

[cerulean smelt]

I'd ask for you to completely info-dump on me about that character because that's cool as hell but def not the right channel for that

[rain topaz]

yeah

is there a right channel for that?

[raven socket]

There is! #oc-cantina

[rain topaz]

if youd like to hear id be happy to explain

[cerulean smelt]

Hell yeah absolutely, I'll hop on right over

Just @ me

[rain topaz]

ello?

[winter temple]

speaking of rat king

would House Guard extend the initial entanglement range or the entire entanglement range

[covert surge]

Initial

[covert surge]

a new thingy for suleiman

[pliant token]

chaos dunk is canon

Currently obsessed with the concept of a mecha sitcom set in the long rim starring two diametrically opposed HA pilots who get into hijinks

Big Sal and Little Sul

[indigo gulch]

yeeesssss

The Sulieman pilot keeps going "fuckitweball.exe", while the Saladin pilot has to bail them out.

[winter temple]

Sully and Sally

MSMC buddy cop film

[hushed field]

Wait, HT said no Gorshkov? Aww.

BlueNexa (She/Her) - TM&T LCPs ↩️

[Reply to:](#1150099146620018708 message) Wanted to use the Gorshkov but DM said no :(

[pliant token]

https://tenor.com/view/joueur-du-grenier-no-fun-fun-fun-is-not-allowed-stop-it-gif-16558170

[wraith birch]

RIP to the Gorshkov "You can't see me if I'm just a moving smoke bomb" Boogeyman.

[pliant token]

so now I know Sul is Ram focused, I feel I should share this

it comes from the Indigo Dream, by https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1058136152680443984

which is, look

it's just MEGAS XLR

and there's nothing wrong with that

[pliant token]

What was their rationale btw? Because if they let you use the Archon they must've found something objectionable in the Gorshkov

[raven socket]

They just found the core power annoying

[pliant token]

Should have gone with Rat King instead to teach them a lesson

[raven socket]

lmaooo

Make my GM wish they were never born

We're only at LL3, tho

[pliant token]

Doing a campaign or just running combat missions?

[raven socket]

It's kinda complicated

It's actually a Nebulous: Fleet Command RP campaign, but they needed a way to resolve ground/boarding combat

When it happens

Helps that a good number of the players are also Lancer players

[pliant token]

oh that rules!! I absolutely adore nebulous, always thought it's the perfect candidate for a lancer battlegroup mod

[raven socket]

One of the players is using a Duilius

[pliant token]

amazing

[raven socket]

I'm kinda hopping between frames while I wait for the Brudenell, personally

https://i.imgur.com/N0PH4QK.png

[pliant token]

I'm still thinking about terk's question re: the third kind of horror frame, with Dagon being psychological and the Cthonian cosmic, and the mechanical basis they suggested for a frame that, if it is out of an enemy's sensors and los can teleport somewhere else out of their sensors and los

Now, they tentatively called it the Hound of Tindalos, another lovecraft monster that "travels through sharp angles" but, more importantly, "tracks its prey through time"

What if the Hound of Tindalos was a Lich altframe

[hot shuttle]

Aren't you the person who makes the LCPs?

[pliant token]

Oh shit wait, is that the tank altframe for the barb on the bottom left? They full on made it into a starcraft siege tank?!

is this a purely cosmetic change or is there an actual separate lcp for it? I saw the art posted before but now I'm wondering about the mechanical implications of a Barb on treads

fast Barb...

[covert surge]

Its in Ilean Modern Industry

Barb alt

[pliant token]

whaaaat

I knew IMI did all the cool flying mechs! Didn't know they dabbled in altframes too

definitely checking that out

[wraith birch]

I don't think it's alt frame.

I think it's just a literal tank.

[hot shuttle]

It is an alt frame.

[pliant token]

God they should just, go full Tiberian Sun with it, make a tank altframe for the Ghengis too

THE TECHNOLOGY OF PEACE

[wraith birch]

Huh, I guess it is. Haven't checked it in a while.

[pliant token]

welp now I've fallen into being Old and reminiscing about how much ass C&C Renegade whipped back in the day

https://youtu.be/BNs_o8bVl5I?si=pssd3ndIA9Z6QyBa

[covert surge]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FT7xCg7HByBp1lE8tmflAwTL2kMQWvxpL7ZTWT9BOuU/edit?usp=sharing

even later version, feels pretty good abt the mechanic but my sense of number is often off so if anything stands out tell me

[pliant token]

First off, I really really like the changes to curled up

[covert surge]

yeah i moved the kool aid man mechanics over to Brudenell

[pliant token]

Feels more appropriate for One Punch Mech

wall in your way? this fist says otherwise

[cerulean smelt]

Ball looks absolutely balling

Sublime

[raven socket]

I am, but the Brudenell is currently in the draft stage, so isn't ready to be LCP'd yet

[wraith birch]

One day we'll see a brick fly.

[covert surge]

Its after suleiman

[wraith birch]

We ball, then we brick.

[hardy citrus]

do we konw whats after brudenell?

[hushed field]

Hi, I'm someone! :D

BlueNexa (She/Her) - TM&T LCPs ↩️

[Reply to:](#1150099146620018708 message) One of the players is using a Duilius

[open ginkgo]

Dunno-think whatever is polling well in the poll

[covert surge]

Yermak is currently after brude

[hardy citrus]

Guessing what, Yermak then Lord?

[covert surge]

Kishka

[indigo gulch]

that's assuming Terk doesn't suddenly have another brain blast and make three more licenses before making polll stuff again

[covert surge]

👻

Hyperfocus is a boon and a curse

I can grind through an art project in a night but also once an idea enters my head it refuses to leave until i do sth with it

[indigo gulch]

lol mood

[hardy citrus]

I'm also excited to eventually see what some of the other ideas look like

[formal juniper]

One of my players is going for the Rat King

This should be very interesting.

[hybrid ledge]

My Tukhachevsky finally got to do the 6 million passwords thing

I think I rerolled like 5 times to literally blow up a guy

[wraith birch]

"My system is generating 6 millions passwords a second and they're all wrong."

[hybrid ledge]

It was funny

Got to kill a boss with it

Just watch me critfish this Last Argument of Kings

[indigo gulch]

So based on Shadow Of The Wolf's new alt frames, I think I have figured out why Terk changed the Hecatoncheries to the Geryon 🙂

[covert surge]

😭

[pliant token]

Wait what? I haven't seen that name pop up in the third party channel before

[raven socket]

That's because it's first-party

oh

Yeah, new first-party supplement

Has three alt frames

[covert surge]

Hecatoncheires works in a similar vibe to gorshkov huh

Lil guy that create his own zone of soft cover to hide in

[raven socket]

They're distinct enough, imo

I also much prefer full licences to alt frames

Dunno why they seem allergic to adding more full licences

[covert surge]

Nah i ain’t worried abt toe stepping its just what it reminds me of

[raven socket]

nodnods

[covert surge]

Probably playtesting?

Alt’s gear has all been playtested and approved

So less playtesting needed

[indigo gulch]

But moar license gooder tho

[pliant token]

Huh! I only knew about the three up to SSMR. Anything new beyond Wolf?

[winter temple]

never heard of this one, where can I find it?

[covert surge]

Lancer news

[pliant token]

Do we know who is doing the art for this new supplement? Because, I mean

Terk

[covert surge]

not me if i was i would be plastering it all over my socmed :P

[pliant token]

What if you drew the Hecatoncheries again

I mean, maybe the position is still open?

Listen I'd at least ask, it's serendipitous

[winter temple]

crack shot leviathan heavy assault cannon (tagetes)

with nuclear cavalier + overpower caliber

[pliant token]

The Taraxacum looks stupid in exactly the way I love - hovering frame with hovering drones, scan debuffs and tech range enhancers for allies. And it's a size 2! I know we called the Brudenell a flying brick but this is a flying brick house

[cerulean smelt]

What would you say the Astraeus-Class NHP's personality would be like?

Just food for thought cause they seem like they'd be a more heroic NOAH

[covert surge]

Space Race era adventure spirit

[cerulean smelt]

That's the coolest thing ever

Instant fav

[covert surge]

“I just wanna see”

Always fascinated by new things and new frontiers

Also means easily distracted and kinda air-headed at times, and tends to sometime do things/let things happens just so see what it does

[cerulean smelt]

I would die for Astraeus

One of my players might be picking them up so I'll try to emulate that

[covert surge]

It did manifested in an observational sattelite named Ad Astra afterall

Ad astra per aspera

New mech idea

[pliant token]

So, Hank Venture

What NHP would sound like the Monarch

Probably Osiris

[covert surge]

The idea was you expect an NHP from a satelite that has been hurling through space for thousands of years would be like an insane malevolent entity gone mad from time and isolation

But instead the combination of NHP experiencing time differently and it getting to just see all the different things the cosmo has to offer it pops out like

“Youd not believe the things ive seen. Put me back in I want to see mo- what is this Omninet that this machine is connected to…”

[pliant token]

https://tenor.com/view/spacecore-space-portal-core-gif-5586787

[covert surge]

hey kids i got a brainblast again

[clever nebula]

Terk no

[covert surge]

The concept worm has latched on and refuses to let go

[pliant token]

I initially misread Subutai as Sabtai and wondered if terk's gotten into 17th century jewish mysticism

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbatai_Zevi

[covert surge]

Nah the Mongol general

because Tom decided the Genghis wouldnt be the horse cav guy

[pliant token]

kinda surprised there hasn't been a Kublai altframe for it yet

[covert surge]

there was one

it was renamed Mehmed

[pliant token]

haha, so the Kublai's still available

time for horse mech

[covert surge]

Subutai makes everyone else a horse archer

he just chilling

[covert surge]

phasma design is kicking my ass but heres what i got for now

[pliant token]

big "be not afraid" vibes from the head and floaty shoulders

biblically accurate mecha

[spring creek]

Ivara prime vibes from warframe

[covert surge]

man im never going to get the hang of ssc design

its like slamming head against wall

[alpine kayak]

You’re adding more

Oh my

[covert surge]

oh yah

its a work in progress afterall

and whenever I get a brainblast

currently working on another liscene right now :P

[spring creek]

I love the head shape

[indigo gulch]

I thought it'd look more like a malevolent jellyfish with skeletal arms, but this is also gucci

[spring creek]

sad that the hecatoncheries had to get the name change, I thought it was really fitting

[winter temple]

HORUS Marut

[raven socket]

[potent ridge]

Probably my favorite one yet

[hardy citrus]

OOOOOOOOOO

Wait. That fucker is size 3.

[potent ridge]

wait what

[hardy citrus]

Phasma. Its size 3. (Link grabbed from terk sending in homebrew design)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tH-5HrbUF1a0XOO090KEBtBhlY2z9Khct0oAuQyP7iE/edit?usp=drivesdk

[potent ridge]

Woa big boy grappler

[hardy citrus]

This thing could rival barbie in height.

[potent ridge]

Grapple while intangible is scary asf to think about narrative wise

this big shadowy figure just moves towards you and nothing you shoot at it works

until it finally reaches and just grabs you

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1097186460945358960.webp?size=48&name=WHAAT~1&quality=lossless

[wraith birch]

Did you know? The gigantic fuck-off Phasma can't kidnap you to the shadow realm without your consent! Just say no!

[spring creek]

At what point do we decide to create a ktb faction lol

[hardy citrus]

I mean, i think ktb it's just going to be a thematic additional company, and then its just alts

Like how it already is , you know?

[pliant token]

I think KTB makes more sense, from a timeline narrative perspective, as a manufacturer of altframes and exotic systems. They came in late to mechanised combat, it would be logical for them to try to catch up by adjusting existing frame licenses and tailoring bespoke weaponry

Now, you know who it would absolutely be its own manufacturer, and who absolutely wouldn't rely on frames from the big 5

The Aun

there was always the illustration of that one weird frame from the core book I assumed would eventually show up in the Aunic field guide

Here, from page 38

[clever nebula]

I want one

[covert surge]

There is a ktb frame in the pipeline

Aquilegia

Flagbearwr bolster guy

But under horus

[pliant token]

and he looks dope af

[wraith birch]

Phasma is literally just the "I'm in your walls" meme incarnate.

[covert surge]

extreme ammount of brainblast with this thing for Subutai

[smoky meteor]

oooh another Subutai

Neat

[spring creek]

the problem with the aun as mech manufactures is that, given the info in the current draft of the field guide, their mech chassis are developed to be piloted by an aunic mind and aunic soul duo

[pliant token]

Pretty sure that's something that can be easily solved on the narrative side, either by allowing the players access to these options or introducing a Union "hack" that allows for utilisation of Aunic frames

[brazen vale]

I think the fact they didn't make KTB a proper manufacturer probably means they want to keep just the current 4 as the only manufacturers from a game perspective

[covert surge]

its mostly mechanic side i reckon

making another manufacturer means finding another thing to tie them together since the Four already embodies each of the HASE

[pliant token]

I don't disagree but there are other things to tie mechs together - narratively or mechanically. IMI does flying mechs, G&S plays fast and loose with fairytales and modern myths, etc.

The Aun could easily have a unique mechanical quirk or an overarching theme, as it might be appropriate

[covert surge]

I think IMI does it best with its mechanical ties

Thematic can be pretty malleable to slot into the four like calendula

[pliant token]

True - but there's no reason no mechanical stuff can't also be invented for frames, like how so many supplements introduce clever new tags for weapons or systems. Why not alter the very concept of a CP into an Aunic variant, with a charge being spent instead replaced by a Burden being introduced to the character's bond/a Difficulty to their narrative rolls?

One of the most interesting mixtures of the tactical side and the narrative side I can think of is this:

[covert surge]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IltcIAGMBNBePR9NEgOoCwrDS3HqcdbmiM7LIzqm1hg/edit?usp=sharing

Current Subutai kit, no idea why the embed is looking like htat

movement manipulation frame that doesn't move itself

[open ginkgo]

Ignore the edit notification- cat jumped on computer keys >.>

[proper crystal]

tried to load the new stuff and it had an oopsie..

[raven socket]

Uhhh

Lemme try real quick

Loads fine on my end

[steep pebble]

Duilius with Argonaut Shield and E.R.A. be like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luFfeSYrcEo

[hybrid ledge]

Nah bro, you ain't seen shit til you've seen the Terashima Duilius

[steep pebble]

How so?

[hybrid ledge]

Deflect everything

[forest nymph]

Super hype for the ball

[spring creek]

just spent an hour or so adding Dagon to my interpoint macro spreadsheet lol

[raven socket]

#Worth

(What actually is this, though?)

[spring creek]

on roll20 Ralf from Interpoint fame has made a fan-TASTIC macro that makes running lancer on roll20 really fun. The downside is that homebrew needs to be entered manually... the upside is that I only need to do it once and then its much easier to enter again

basically this is me begging my dm to let us use tm&t to beta test lol

[raven socket]

nodnods. Hope it goes well!

[cosmic steppe]

And I wont let him use it

not yet at least

[raven socket]

Any particular reason for that?

Just curious

[cosmic steppe]

We have a new player and I don't want to hit them with too much new info, I don't want to have to debug the macro mid session if smth goes wrong, I am allowing Interpoint (Ralf's main homebrew) and Lefarsi hasn't used that before too. I also was worried for a bit he'd spend too much time trying to debug and test the whole thing before tomorrow night considering he already works too much and sleeps too little

I think full importing Terk to the Interpoint macros would be awesome, I just don't want Lefarsi to go crazy trying to do it

I will admit I also want to run Terk, cus so many of your ideas are awesome.

[raven socket]

Very fair! And it'd certainly be cool if that could be made to work, but I don't feel like I'd have the energy to do it

I mostly make the LCPs and stuff with foundry's auto importing in mind

Oh by the way
Speaking of the LCP
Suleiman should be coming out soon™️

Gonna work on it tonight

[cerulean smelt]

WE BALL!!!

[crude ravine]

Where can I get this?

[spring creek]

It’s weird when you see somebody you know somewhere else

[spring creek]

I’ve only finished the gorshkov and the Dagon and I’m gonna be a bit busy this weekend, but I can set up a shareable doc when I get back from work tonight

[crude ravine]

oh sorry I just meant the vanilla stuff ralf made

[spring creek]

Ah that’s from his Patreon, I wouldn’t feel great just distributing that

[crude ravine]

very fair

[wraith birch]

If I ever finish writing this campaign, I will definitely be allowing TM&T in later arcs. (Not this one, I'm already in too deep and this is meant to be a starter campaign.) Gorshkovs and Frundsbergs showed up later on in the arc since I'll be using characters piloting those mechs as NPCs so I'm gonna be allowing the supplement when those shows up.

But also, as I said, if I actually get around to it and manage to get the players needed.

[covert surge]

🙏

Any actual play feedback is appreciated so far only tukhachevsky has been used to my knowledge and the feedback is “its good”

[wraith birch]

To be fair, I don't think the feedback I'll get from any players I get is gonna be that useful either lol.

It's probably more "It's good."

or more likely "Yo, this is pretty cool."

[covert surge]

Maybe sth seems unintended pops up, maybe sth feels op/up etc

[wraith birch]

Maybe, who knows.

This is getting deeper into the "if" scenario and it reminds me that I haven't worked on writing Operation Solace's Grave for like a month.

(As in, properly working on the campaign. Writing Veil and White Hand didn't count, despite me lying to myself that it did.)

[pliant token]

Be careful what you ask for, I can already envision someone picking Rat King

[covert surge]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-incrives-meme-meme-react-gif-25029710

[hardy citrus]

Every time i see you send this image my brain just goes "Rat King Moment"

[hardy citrus]

The Monkeys Paw
2 sp, AI, Unique

Your mech gains the AI tag and the playtest reaction

Playtest
Trigger: Rat King
Reaction: Make Terk Regret his words

[covert surge]

subutai sketch

my endless quest to put my unused Darkest Dungeon characters into Lancer

[rain topaz]

ah yes, rat king my beloved child

i have also now done my first lcp-ing

so that was something

infact, id say it means i did something productive today

[forest nymph]

My DM is likely running a game on monday, one of our players is gonna give the freddie melee barbie a go, and assuming the ball is out by then, I'll be using that, will shoot you a DM for how it goes, our group loves to pull at strings and see what works with what.

[raven socket]

Ball will be done by then

[forest nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/niko-oneshot-ballin-teste-niko-ballin-gif-26110464

[raven socket]

It'll be tomorrow though, since stuff came up today and I am le tired

Ping me mercilessly tomorrow to remind me @forest nymph

[forest nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/tag-gif-13161012535429590073

[cerulean smelt]

Once Suleiman is out, straight away im making a pangolin build

[waxen quartz]

Hello, Dual Fist is so broken and I love it to death.

[pliant token]

you mean actually broken or "this feels awesome" broken? because the former would require some balancing

[waxen quartz]

The latter.

A significant part of WHY it feels broken is because I slapped it on a Pesilat from Field Guide to Suldan.

Getting to Crit with Dharmachakra -> IA that hits for 3d6+3 -> Free Invade just kinda whenever is anime as fuck

[viscid snow]

Ah, cross homebrew can do that

[waxen quartz]

The Heruka as a whole is extremely fun though.

If I hadn't invested so hard into my Pesilat build I'd have swapped over.

[pliant token]

if the players manage to find a way to make some homebrew interact with each other in funny ways it is the GM's prerogative to find equally unorthodox ways to answer that

imo it's better to have something skew the game's balance than it is to look at a cool combo a player came acorss and tell them "no you can't use that"

[waxen quartz]

Yeah. We use a lot of homebrew, especially now at the end of our game. We're all LL 12 and are just finding the most busted-ass things we can do.

I think my Build uses stuff from TM&T, Suldan, and Iridia

-- C&H PESILAT @ LL12 --
[ LICENSES ]
C&H PESILAT 3, HORUS EFREET 2, HORUS Balor 2, HORUS HERUKA 2, IRIDIA Nemesis 1, SSC Dusk Wing 1, SSC Metalmark 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
Enhanced Systems Upgrade, Mount Retrofitting, Reinforced Frame, Overpower Caliber
[ TALENTS ]
Brutal 3, Duelist 3, Nuclear Cavalier 3, Runecaster 3, Brawler 2, Hunter 1
[ STATS ]
HULL:4 AGI:6 SYS:3 ENGI:1
STRUCTURE:4 HP:29 ARMOR:0
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:7 REPAIR:7
TECH ATK:+5 LIMITED:+0
SPD:8 EVA:16 EDEF:13 SENSE:5 SAVE:17
[ WEAPONS ]
Integrated: Fuel Rod Gun
AUX/AUX MOUNT: Dharmachakra (Nanocomposite Adaptation) / Wingblade // Mount Retrofitting, Overpower Caliber
[ SYSTEMS ]
Dipping Swallow Module, Metafold Shunt, Scanner Swarm, //HEARTSHATTER V. 5.palm, Dual Fist, Carapace Cladding x2, Miniaturized LinAc Coherent Beam Cannon, Neurospike, Reactive Weave, Personalizations, EVA Module

[rain topaz]

ive reread the phasma and im honestly now wildly excited for it to eventually come out

terk is very good at making mech frames

[covert surge]

mo wip

[indigo gulch]

owo who dat

[covert surge]

Subutai

[indigo gulch]

oooo chonky

[covert surge]

yeah i made em size 2

makes more sense to use Parthian Field

still got a bunch of drones to add

and the pilot

me when I own myself

[spring creek]

okay so I feel bad asking about the rat king because I'm aware of the common meme, but when you make a sputnik drone, is the intent to put the mount entirely on the drone, or for the drone to copy the mount?

[covert surge]

its a copy

[spring creek]

oshit

[covert surge]

you still have the gun yourself

[spring creek]

can you copy the same gun a bunch of times?

[covert surge]

yes

[spring creek]

and do they use your talents?

[covert surge]

no

[spring creek]

okay thank you that makes a lot of sense

I'm assuming that you can't put auto stabilizing hardpoints on a mount and have it work as intended?

[covert surge]

nah, it only inherit the weapon and associated mods, no talent or cb

[indigo gulch]

Damn that mech's so rough and tumble I thought it was an IPS-N mech

love it

[covert surge]

I like things that looks like it had trudged through hell and gunfire and back

[open ginkgo]

Yeah that is mechwarror looking as hell and I love it

[covert surge]

Me porting my Darkest Dungeon concepts into Lancer as pilots

[open ginkgo]

Oh nice!

[viscid snow]

Built like a brick

HA loves bricks

[covert surge]

“Geometry is sick af” every HA designer

[indigo gulch]

I find it funny that most HA mechs are walking bricks, then there's Saladin who's armored Baymax

[covert surge]

Iskander is like just a person

The frame looks like just a regular dude in armor

[stable jungle]

Salvager drone question. It takes one of your repairs, or does it basically have repair charge inside at the start?

[covert surge]

Charge inside

[pliant token]

One of the common themes for HA design is seemingly anthropomorphism, the primacy of the human shape

which makes sense, considering their history

Could maybe use a bit more orange and black to tie in with the manufacturer color scheme

But overall I dig it

[winter temple]

this reminded me of moonbase alpha for some reason

the colors at least

also I decided to check out Rat King

-- HORUS RAT KING @ LL6 -- [ NAME: XENO ARCADIA ] [ LICENSES ] HORUS RAT KING 3, HORUS Kobold 3 [ CORE BONUSES ] The Lesson of the Held Image, The Lesson of the Open Door [ TALENTS ] Drone Commander 3, Technophile 3, Field Analyst 2, Skirmisher 1 [ STATS ] HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:2 ENGI:2 STRUCTURE:4 HP:19 ARMOR:0 STRESS:4 HEATCAP:6 REPAIR:7 TECH ATK:+3 LIMITED:+1 SPD:5 EVA:12 EDEF:12 SENSE:10 SAVE:15 [ WEAPONS ] FLEX MOUNT: Slag Cannon [ SYSTEMS ] Enlightenment-Class NHP, Flash Combat Data, IMMOLATE, Kingslayer, Purifying Code, Salvager Drone, Shackle Drone, Personalizations

so if I manage to make 4 Sputniks and use the Target Acquired quick action, will they all fire off their slag cannons at once?

[indigo gulch]

what's this build's game plan if ya don't mind me asking?

[stable jungle]

Box in every enemy it seems

Btw, does +3 dmg on flechette shotgun count as bonus damage? For the purposes of, let's say, hellfire rounds from ammo case or Tokugawa's trait?

Anyway, i'm also in the phase of tossing ideas on the wall and looking if something sticks. But also while trying to somewhat stay in theme of "scrap mech"

[ LICENSES ]
  HORUS RAT KING 3, HORUS Hydra 2, HORUS Balor 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Improved Armament, Enhanced Systems Upgrade
[ TALENTS ]
  Drone Commander 3, Scrounger 3, Walking Armory 3
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:2 SYS:0 ENGI:2
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:17 ARMOR:0
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:6 REPAIR:7
  TECH ATK:+1 LIMITED:+1
  SPD:6 EVA:14 EDEF:10 SENSE:10 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  FLEX MOUNT: Assault Rifle
  FLEX MOUNT: Flechette Shotgun
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Tempest Drone, Salvager Drone, Kingslayer, Flash Combat Data, Turret Drones x4, PUPPETMASTER, Hive Drone```

[winter temple]

that's pretty much it and also keeping them there with Immolate/Purifying Code and the Shackle Drone

[stable jungle]

You just have to remember that since drones dont have heatcap, they will take damage each time they fire slag cannon

[winter temple]

it doesn't seem to say that it is bonus damage

[stable jungle]

The wording seems weird to me for some reason. Hence i'm asking.

[winter temple]

trying to think of some more fun ratking builds

a simpler, low-LL one would be a war pike sputnik build for a spearwall

[spring creek]

if you allow intercorp talents, weaponsmith is great

[stable jungle]

What saddens me is the fact that sputniks don't benefit fron talents

[stable jungle]

Which lcp is that?

[winter temple]

intercorp licenses

I believe it's in one of the featured downloads

[winter temple]

https://interpoint-station.itch.io/intercorp

[stable jungle]

Ty

I'll check it out tomorrow

[spring creek]

weaponsmith is a talent, but it gives you a mod

on crit: target goes prone is a good choice, and at level 2 you can give it accuracy I think which makes it better

[raven socket]

I am very skilled and good at this
https://i.imgur.com/9t4e59t.png

thumber ccc:

[spring creek]

GIVE US THE THUMBER CUT

[raven socket]

okaaay
If I remember

[forest nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/long-thumb-thumbs-up-gif-25948245

[raven socket]

As for what it does

The Thumpber emits a burst 3 area until it is destroyed. When hostile characters make any movement other than their standard move (including involuntary movement) within this area or into this area, they must succeed on a Hull Save or immediately stop moving, become knocked Prone and lose any unused movement

When hostile characters within the area attempt to stand up from Prone, they must succeed on a Hull Save or the movement fails and is consumed.

Movement: DENIED

[clever nebula]

Get thumbered idiot

[covert surge]

@hereBall is now released to the LCP as a full liscense

get rollin

https://bluenexa.itch.io/terk-mech-and-tech

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FT7xCg7HByBp1lE8tmflAwTL2kMQWvxpL7ZTWT9BOuU/edit?usp=sharing

[spring creek]

YOOOOOOOOOO

[hot shuttle]

Sus.

[clever nebula]

Orb

[cosmic steppe]

bowl ball

[raven socket]

Now to do the update note and send out the emails

And we should be good!

This frame is silly

I like it

[wraith birch]

BALL

WOOOOOOOO

https://youtu.be/j4xbXtGb8no?si=N0eTdsNt12FW8LSZ

[hollow chasm]

fuck it we ball.mek

[viscid snow]

Ponder the orb

[rain topaz]

Holy mother of

[wraith birch]

Also, what's next on the list, Brudenell?

[covert surge]

yeh

[wraith birch]

Ball hour's over, it's BRICK time.

[viscid snow]

Hit em with the brick!!

[wraith birch]

Hmm, I just realized that Metalmark's Carapace Adaptation trait synergizes with Gorshkov's Murky Water Cloak if, hypothetically, both of them are in the same party comp.

Since Gorshkov only stops hostiles from benefiting from its soft cover zone.

[forest nymph]

Wanted to ask since my DM gets tied up in wording versus intent, the Cannonball trait, that's meant to let the ball ram as if it were size three yeah?

[winter temple]

mule harness metalmark with Gorshkov on its back

[wraith birch]

Found this little grammatical mistake on the flavor text for the active scanner on the Gorshkov: "even in during battlefield conditions." It's nothing major, and it's just for the flavor text, but just a heads-up. @raven socket

It's in the document too, but I added the suggestion in the document already.

[raven socket]

oop

I'll fix it

[raven socket]

Check now

[wraith birch]

Wait, in the document?

[raven socket]

No, in the LCP

[wraith birch]

I, uh, can't check?

Did you upload a new version?

Hold on, I'm confused.

[raven socket]

Yes

There's a new version up

[wraith birch]

Oh okay, cool, yeah, that's good, I think.

I'm just taken off guard that you released a new version just for the grammatical correction.

You definitely have my respect, ma'am.

[raven socket]

Ahaha
I'm a perfectionist

If there's a problem with my work, I want to know about it, and correct it as fast as possible

[rain topaz]

If we are fixing grammatical mistakes, (yep) the rat king has a small thing

[raven socket]

Oh?

[rain topaz]

Pretty sure this should be RK-PG

[wraith birch]

Before you go around uploading another version again.

[rain topaz]

I think it's been fixed on the doc but not in the lcp

[wraith birch]

Just a suggestion, not even technically a mistake. I just think "This effect ends" just sounds a little more concise than "This effect is ended" on the Testudo Protocol for Duilius.

If you want to change that, that's up to you, as I said, just a little suggestion.

[raven socket]

I actually went back and forth on that when I was doing the duilius

But you're probably right

[covert surge]

Yeah

Similar function to caliban wrecking ball

[rain topaz]

I have other wording stuff on the rat king, but that's on the doc and up to you folks of course

[wraith birch]

You guys are doing great, by the way. The ball sounds really fun, and I just love the fact that I can now actually strap ERAs on my mech.

[rain topaz]

I am now slowly devising a manticore alt frame I have dubbed the "Rust Monster"

[forest nymph]

This is what my assumption was, it would be exceedingly odd to make a ram based mech that can't ram past 1/2 size. Thanks for the clarification

[raven socket]

When I'm more awake I'll make some kind of spreadsheet for submitting typos

[pliant token]

Is the voting still ongoing btw? Feels like its been a while since we referenced the poll

[clever nebula]

This is because Terk has randomly gotten Inspired™️

[covert surge]

Its still there but at this point the ranking isn’t really going to change

[hot shuttle]

I am cooking.

(Sound effect from Bookworm Adventures)

Wait, no, the smart play is just RPG.

The funny play is Displacer.

[winter temple]

rpg is loading though, and loading weapons can't be put on the sputniks

[hot shuttle]

I meant Mortar.

[winter temple]

my bad

[hot shuttle]

Why would that be your bad?

[winter temple]

misunderstanding the intended message

[hot shuttle]

How could you have understood it corrctly?

The information was not avaliable to you.

[winter temple]

I really don't know, sometimes I just apologize for misunderstanding something even when it couldn't have been my fault anyway BUT this is not the place to talk about that

[hot shuttle]

Glad we talked through that.

[winter temple]

sputniks with any line/burst/blast templates could get very interesting

veil rifle sputniks seem like a nice idea overall

[hot shuttle]

Lines aren't affected by Omnibus Plate.

[winter temple]

I have seen that but just thought of the V. rifle sputniks as a good soft-cover build overall

just line them up and you have an S (S being the number of Sputniks) times 10 area of soft cover every time you use target acquired unless I'm misunderstanding how lines work (I likely am)

or just aim them behind any ally who needs it

[covert surge]

🤔 i should try my hand at making pure damage frame 🤔

All my frames has had a dip into controller

[forest nymph]

For Mehmeds revenge, if you put that on a size two do you just pick any three of your hexes to have it on?

[covert surge]

Heruka and Geryon is the closest to pure damage frame but they are still somewhat tech oriented

Yeah just center it on one of the three

Didnt want to make it burst because it + size 3 would just absurd area denial

Others have striker brain i have controller brain :P

All my years playing tanks and juggernaut

[spring creek]

Tbh that’s what I love about your designs. Lancer is very dps focussed due to most of the frames being dps focussed. Having more support options is a fantastic thing, not a detriment

[open ginkgo]

^ Yeah I agree- Lancer is very much about trying to pour out damage somethings, so having more options that isn't just 'use big damage gun on mech' is good

[spring creek]

I played a lich for the first time this weekend and holy crap playing a mech that has options other than attacking is so fun

Gorshkov and Dagon are my favorites so far for that reason

[formal juniper]

Actions forced is damage prevented.

Now if only I could get my players to recognize that

[forest nymph]

Do tech attacks trigger the ERA reaction?

[cerulean smelt]

-- HA SULEIMAN @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
HA SULEIMAN 3, HA Napoleon 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
Integrated Ammo Feeds, Superior by Design
[ TALENTS ]
Hunter 3, Juggernaut 3, HOUSE GUARD 3
[ STATS ]
HULL:2 AGI:4 SYS:0 ENGI:2
STRUCTURE:4 HP:15 ARMOR:2
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:11 REPAIR:5
TECH ATK:+1 LIMITED:+3
SPD:5 EVA:12 EDEF:8 SENSE:3 SAVE:14
[ WEAPONS ]
MAIN/AUX MOUNT: Tactical Knife / Tactical Knife
[ SYSTEMS ]
E.R.A. x6, Blinkshield, Hardlight Containment Kit, Stasis Barrier x4, Stasis Bolt, Personalizations

Tried making a pangolin

Ball with outer ball

[forest nymph]

-- HA SULEIMAN @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
HA SULEIMAN 3, IPS-N DUILIUS 1, IPS-N Zheng 1, IPS-N Nelson 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
Integrated Ammo Feeds, Titanomachy Mesh
[ TALENTS ]
Duelist 3, Skirmisher 2, Grease Monkey 2, Hunter 1, Pankrati 1
[ STATS ]
HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:4
STRUCTURE:4 HP:17 ARMOR:2
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:11 REPAIR:6
TECH ATK:+1 LIMITED:+4
SPD:3 EVA:8 EDEF:8 SENSE:3 SAVE:14
[ WEAPONS ]
MAIN/AUX MOUNT: Tiger-Hunter Combat Sheathe / Caestus
[ SYSTEMS ]
E.R.A. x7, Thumper x6, Mehmed's Revenge x6, Quake Generator

The anger ball, lots and lots and lots of rams, once in place, spam quake generator for more anger along with mehmeds when set up

[steep pebble]

[ LICENSES ]
  IPS-N DUILIUS 3, IPS-N Drake 1, IPS-N Tortuga 1, HA SULEIMAN 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Reinforced Frame, Improved Armament
[ TALENTS ]
  Vanguard 3, Combined Arms 3, Pankrati 2, House Guard 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:2 SYS:0 ENGI:2
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:24 ARMOR:3
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:6 REPAIR:8
  TECH ATK:0 LIMITED:+1
  SPD:5 EVA:8 EDEF:8 SENSE:5 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  FLEX MOUNT: Caestus / Pistol
  FLEX MOUNT: Deck-Sweeper Automatic Shotgun
  HEAVY MOUNT: Arc Suppressor
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Argonaut Shield, E.R.A. x4, Siege Ram, LEGION-Class Comp/Con```

[winter temple]

-- HA SULEIMAN @ LL6 -- [ LICENSES ] IPS-N Nelson 3, HA SULEIMAN 2, IPS-N Tortuga 1 [ CORE BONUSES ] N/A [ TALENTS ] Juggernaut 3, Spaceborn 3, Pankrati 2, Nuclear Cavalier 1 [ STATS ] HULL:2 AGI:4 SYS:0 ENGI:2 STRUCTURE:4 HP:15 ARMOR:2 STRESS:4 HEATCAP:9 REPAIR:5 TECH ATK:+1 LIMITED:+1 SPD:5 EVA:12 EDEF:8 SENSE:3 SAVE:14 [ WEAPONS ] MAIN/AUX MOUNT: Power Knuckles / Power Knuckles [ SYSTEMS ] Ramjet, Siege Ram, E.R.A. x4, Thumper x3, Personalizations

Attaching rockets to a soccer ball, what could happen?
Also, does Ram count as a melee attack (for the purpose of talents like Spaceborn 3?)

[steep pebble]

Yes, it does.

[winter temple]

good, now I know I can fully utilize the rocket-powered bowling ball

[digital leaf]

For a low LL Ratking here is something I was cooking a bit.

Ratking II and Painted Lady I, you can use IFF Spoof quick action in tandem with Target Acquired (Rat King II) quick action to ensure all your drones +1 accuracy. For that same turn and until the end of your next turn. Which is potentially 3 drone barrages all with the benefit of Lock on, (Not including overcharge.)

In tandem with Flash Combat Data (Rat King I) you can get up to +2 accuracy on each drone attack against an enemy fighting an ally/drone

Alternatively, or additionally you could also dip Kidd 1 for the Blackspot Targeting Laser, all your drones have an additional +1 accuracy. Though this will be at the cost of damage potential.

[winter temple]

also, what weapons would be good on the sputniks? I'm thinking either the humble assault rifle for reliable or maybe even melee weapons

[digital leaf]

It's really up in the air really. For just standard weapon, assault rifle is probably the best average use since it's 1-3 potential damage and requires no license dipping.

Thermal rifle is a 2-3 energy damage range and ignores armor. So that's a potential

I haven't really thought melee drone builds yet, but those would have the highest potential damage 2-4 with the tactical melee weapon.

I do love the idea of a bunch of small knife wielding drones swarming a single mech.

Like evil robotic baby raptors.

Charged blade would be 3 energy, with armor piercing. So there is that option.

[winter temple]

on another note how would multi-hit weapons (i.e. Zheng's tigher-hunter combat sheathe and Monarch's Sharanga missiles) work with target acquired?

would they fire off against the picked enemy and do nothing else or would they be able to make another attack (against another nearby target)?

[digital leaf]

Based on the way it's worded, they aren't making an attack action/quick action.

"Command all your Sputnik Drones to fire their weapons at the same target, using your grit for the roll."

I'd imagine this just means they get one attack from it, and it has to be the one target you chose.

[winter temple]

ah

also another thing that would also be a bit fun could be the Behold weapon from the Dagon license

Impair on crit and also scan in a 5-cone shot

damage could be low

but the utility could be pretty good and might free up scan techs for your party

[digital leaf]

Considering the amount of attacks, and Flash Combat Data [Rat King I], crit chances aren't that bad

Though so far, shock knife is still the most evil weapon.

1 energy, 1 burn. But when 1 burn is coming from multiple sources...

[indigo gulch]

just a bunch of tiny gremlins stabbing you in the shins and lighting you on fire

[digital leaf]

I too would hate life if 12 robo heathens were clawing out my eyes with flaming daggers

It would put pressure on your DM to handle/target your drones before they get out of hand, which is damage mitigation against your allies

[winter temple]

woe, burn be upon ye

[winter temple]

also the Sputniks can get about 10 HP apiece if you have drone commander too so even if they don't have armor and take damage from heat they could be surprisingly hard to down

[digital leaf]

Exactly

[indigo gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/stiletto-knife-gif-11014900

Sputnik drones when some fly bois come harrasing Da Boss

[digital leaf]

All in all though, when making a weapon choice, you are looking at an average diifference of like 1 damage. So pick whatever fits into the build better and is more fun

[winter temple]

warpike sputs could also be good if your mech plays around with area denial effects (i.e. wandering nightmare, iskander mines, etc.)

basically poke them into hazards with your itty bitty speardrones

[indigo gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/azir-lol-dance-soldier-gif-23970380

so Azir

[winter temple]

I am not familiar with League but that's a perfect image

another bit of ratking goodness could come from Tukha 2 (Karpov Shortwave Area-Denial system), more cone attacks but this time with heat

the problem is that the drones will be taking 2 damage after every shot

[digital leaf]

That's a lotta self damage per shot though

[winter temple]

also I forgot about decksweeper sputniks

minimum 2 maximum 12

[digital leaf]

1-6 potential damage range.

Not bad

[winter temple]

wait shoot forgot the half damage

oops

[digital leaf]

Yepppp

That's still the highest die so far for a sputnik

Isn't the tortuga a size 2?

Imagine small little puny drones just rocking the DECKSWEEPER

[winter temple]

it is

what if they are the decksweeper

four-legged decksweeper

[digital leaf]

Insert random lancer pilot from the internet for size reference

Honestly still think it's too small lmao

[winter temple]

you could also make the argument that the decksweeper does half damage because it's shrunken down to fit neatly into sputnik arms

[digital leaf]

Does half damage becuase the sputnik flies 20 feet back every time it uses it

[winter temple]

also supermassive decksweeper sputnik

go big, go home, go decksweep

[pliant token]

I am fearful whenever Rat King gets discussed

How is it broken now

what did they do

what did they do

also all these theoretical rat king builds are fun but aren't they a bit too fiddly, too time consuming? It feels like it falls into the same trap as the original WARCHILD module for the Kidd, resulting in one player spending upwards of five minutes moving drones around while everyone else twiddles their thumbs

[raven socket]

I think that's partially offset by the fact that the drones don't fire independently

[pliant token]

I'd love to watch a video liveplay of someone running Rat King

[raven socket]

Agreed

[covert surge]

https://tenor.com/view/explain-gif-21856831

[wraith birch]

In today's episode of "What is Terk Cooking?"

[digital leaf]

I think it also depends on how it's played.

For example in DnD everyone fears the Summoner players, but if the player already has their turn mapped out before hand then it goes by pretty quick.

I'd imagine drone players should also utilize the same method to avoid bloat. I'd hate to be the player to make others wait 30 minutes for me to do a turn. But I'm also not turning down the possibility of having 20 assault rifle clad drones either

[digital leaf]

My group tends to record our sessions, I might be able to make this possible

[raven socket]

I'd love to see that, if someone in your group wants to play it

[digital leaf]

Hi, I am that someone

[raven socket]

Oh!

[digital leaf]

xD

[raven socket]

I'm a derp, should've read your nick

Tried it out already?

[winter temple]

also for a Terashima ratking, do the sputniks also change stances with you or can you manually designate what stances you want each drone to be in?

[digital leaf]

#oc-cantina message

Meet Desmond, callsign "Mischief"

I haven't tried it out yet we are still in the build/prep phase. We are starting LL 1 for the game, but we are gonna try to do some pre-sessions for testing.

[raven socket]

Terk would need to clarify that

[digital leaf]

Terashima?

[winter temple]

Terashima Blade Ratking

shinobi summoner

[digital leaf]

Ahhh

[wraith birch]

A bunch of little sputniks deflecting bullets everywhere would be pretty funny.

[winter temple]

"look at me now, I am the Ronin(s)"

[winter temple]

I think it's just the sheer number of attacks you could potentially get out even if they do half damage

[digital leaf]

Based on wording, you need to use the protocol as a free action to activate the stance.

Per the lancer rules, by default drones can't take actions unless otherwise specified. Which I'm pretty sure the only times sputnik drones can take an action is when directed through "Target Acquired" Rat King II or "Divided They Fall" Rat King III

[rain topaz]

I'd imagine you could set the stance, and then create the sputniks

So the sputniks inherit the stance

That's how it works out in my head

[winter temple]

on another note I'm looking through homebrew stuff like Field Guide to Liminal Space for more ratking-ing

and there's weapons in there you can deploy as drones

[raven socket]

forgot I'd already said it

am dumb

[digital leaf]

If only those docs were available to my table, I'd help theory craft

[winter temple]

it's early I think (unless your timezone's different)

[raven socket]

20 to 1 in the afternoon

[wraith birch]

GMT then.

[raven socket]

Indeed

[digital leaf]

20 to 8am here, though I'm approaching the end of my shift, so it's technically late for me?

[wraith birch]

20 to 8 PM lmao.

[winter temple]

same as well for me

[pliant token]

twenty to 2

pm

[wraith birch]

Americans, I'm guessing.

[digital leaf]

Pah. Pesky Americans. Imagine being American. Not me. Nope.

... Guilty.

[winter temple]

the ones I'm looking at in particular are the Flauros Turret and the Spartoi Blade

[pliant token]

americans to the left of me, aussies to the right

here I am, stuck in the middle whichoo

[wraith birch]

I like how I know the non-DST time for Americans despite not being American.

[winter temple]

murica

[wraith birch]

Because I can just switch PM and AM and have American time.

[digital leaf]

That flauros turret is disgusting

[winter temple]

it does have a Heat 2 cost though

couldn't fit it in the screencap

[digital leaf]

Oh, I was curious if it did.

Not worth. Might as well go shock knife, same damage, 1 less heat

Spartoi blade is neat, but you are better off with a tactical melee weapon if you are focusing sputnik drones

[winter temple]

the ratking philosophy seems to be "when in doubt, use more drone"

[digital leaf]

1d6 + 2 isntead of 1d6 + 1

And no license investment

[winter temple]

even if it may not entirely be optimal the idea was to put as many sputniks as possible onto the field at a time

[winter temple]

you mean tactical melee (knife is 1d3+2)?

[digital leaf]

Quick action deploy done that isn't sputnik, = 1 less sputnik xD

[winter temple]

on another note before I go back to finishing a lab report

Million Man Marching Band sounds like a sweet RatKing name

[digital leaf]

Indeed it does!

A bonus note actually, if you pick a weapon where you don't have to roll for damage, you significantly speed up turn length

[winter temple]

also even if it may only do 2 flat damage (but a consistent 2 flat damage that isn't Armor-Piercing unless paracausal mod is involved) Emperor's Bolt Nexus could be a very consistent option

[digital leaf]

Absolutely

[viscid snow]

What of sputnik auto gun?

How would that work out?

[digital leaf]

OH, i just realized if you deploy a drone that ISNT a sputnik, you can spend 1 hp and deploy a sputnik alongside it. So you technically don't lose sputnik upkeep.;

[raven socket]

That's covered by the text that says the only way to fire the weapon is Target Acquired @viscid snow

It was added for that specific reason

[viscid snow]

Smooth

So you just can't use auto gun then hey?

[raven socket]

Correct

[viscid snow]

Fair, I mean without the fact they shoot for free they're pretty underwhelming so even if you could there wouldn't be much point

Sputnik Smartgun however

I think thats a good pick

[digital leaf]

Indeed

[winter temple]

imagine if the Rat King had a heavy mount (understand it's not there for balancing)

but just imagine

[digital leaf]

I'd just go Hydra I for the ghoul nexus.

1d3 +2, minimum 2 damage, max 3. And you choose damage type when you attack, and you get 10 range.

It's also a smart weapon

Not to mention access to Puppetmaster

[winter temple]

hydra ratking is overall great synergy

[digital leaf]

Centimane go Brrrr

[winter temple]

Centimane 2

would work especially well with Smartgun Sputniks

[digital leaf]

Don't sleep on Centimane 1. When you have 7 drones attacking with +2 accuracy your likely hood to crit is pretty high

Edit: drones can't proc Cent1

[winter temple]

thought it only applied to nexuses and that your sputniks couldn't trigger talents

[digital leaf]

I remember reading that too, I'm trying to find it

[winter temple]

on an off-topic note Tukhachevsky (reroll invades for heat) + Heruka's Ravana NHP (chaining invade)

[digital leaf]

Where is the note about sputniks not triggering talents?

[covert surge]

Centi2 still works since it specifically is your talent affecting your drone

Your drone don’t have centi2, you have centi2

You cant like crackshot with sputnik, since drones dont have the crackshot talent

Same with centi 1, they cant trigger it

It the same with most drones, they dont have a copy of your talent

Imagine drones with exemplar/leader/fuel rod gun

[rain topaz]

Dear lord

[spring creek]

I’m not seeing what makes centimaine 2 different. It might be worth just making them unaffected by talents altogether for simplicity’s sake

[covert surge]

Centi 2 specifically states drone

When you consume Lock On as part of an attack with a Nexus or Drone and perform a critical hit, your target becomes Shredded until the start of your next turn.

[rain topaz]

I've become very sad that Phasma doesnt have s heavy mount

Hey, does the Yermak have a license doc?

[covert surge]

Not yet

[rain topaz]

argh

[terse marsh]

I didn't expect the Suleiman to come so soon

I am very excited for the Brudenell

[hushed field]

I actually discovered the origin of the name Brudenell, it's er.. Weird.

It's named after a guy who was.. He was kinda iffy at strategy, but he was brave and was good to his men, and this culminated in the Battle of Balaclava ( Yes, that's where the name for the headwear comes from) where he was in charge of the Light Brigade, and lead its famous Charge.

[covert surge]

yep, charge of the light brigade

Hence the Brudenell origin as the Think Tank receiving an ill-conceived order from the top and just went with it, and its propensity to just charge headlong into enemy line but also prone to overextending

[forest nymph]

Brudenell sounds like a treat, all my homies love overextending

[formal juniper]

My group has one player who wants to try it, I'll ask them if they're okay with recording for test purposes

[raven socket]

Oh, thanks! And it's okay if they aren't, I just think it'd be interesting to see how it plays out in practice, and to make sure it doesn't take too much time to play

[formal juniper]

Of course! They recently playtested the ERICSON frame I made, so they're good at finding the ways to break things.

Currently the idea is to load an Unraveller or the Autogun onto the Sputniks, which... I'm scared of both.

[raven socket]

I'm unsure if the Autogun would work, for the same reason the autopod doesn't (the sputniks can only fire their weapons using Target Acquired)
But I see zero reason why the Unraveller wouldn't work

Unraveller sputniks would be kinda scary, I like it

[formal juniper]

If nothing else, it turns the Rat King into a very interesting Arty frame

Oh, damn, I'm a fool, not Autogun, Smartgun. Brain mixes things so damned often it's stupid

[winter temple]

2d6 damage on a main is nothing to sneeze at though (although it is halved on a sput)

[formal juniper]

Halved, and 2 reliable either way. Still considering that to be halved

[raven socket]

Aaah, okay. Yeah, that should work

[sweet marsh]

@covert surge is ur packet / sacrificial spear from your dagon license intended to function with the iconoclast talent? (specifically rank 2, with the reaction trigger "After performing any action granted to you by an NHP,")

I believe as written it does bc of how iconclast defines nhp, but they're explicitly not NHPs according to discord logs i found from a while ago, and not labeled as such, and i'm just curious what the intentions/ais responsible for them are. are they non-NHP eldritch AIs that could function similarly, or are they lesser in some way that would preclude a proper mech handoff or smth

[spring creek]

I don’t see a reason to give the mech a “counts as an ai but doesn’t give your mech the ai tag” beyond iconoclast

[raven socket]

The mech is taglined the "Herald of Iconoclasm" for a reason :P

But yeah, wait and see what Terk says

[sweet marsh]

ah, missed that

i believe that's only on the pdf - not in the frame data that's visible on compcon

[digital leaf]

The real quesion..

Where is the pilot inside this mech?

[clever nebula]

Uh… the HORUS dimension

[covert surge]

Yes its intended to function with icono

Pilot is in there :)

[digital leaf]

Sounds like terms I need to familiarize myself with lmao

[raven socket]

Sometimes it's best not to think too hard about where the pilot sits

Where do you suppose the pilot is on a lich, for instance?

Things perhaps best not answered

[indigo gulch]

He is part of the mech

[digital leaf]

5 drones in a trenchcoat

[digital leaf]

Where does scrounger come from?

[clever nebula]

Yesterday

[raven socket]

Good answer :P

[clever nebula]

Possibly tomorrow

[winter temple]

the Lich pilot was in the mech from the very beginning

[wraith birch]

The pilot has always been the lich.

[hardy citrus]

@covert surge are there potentially any plans to update the compendium draft section to include the new mechs you've designed/made art for since the last time it's been updated, like the phasma?

I was checking the list and realized a couple of them that I know we've talked about in here we're missing

[rain topaz]

I'd also love to know this

Both the phasma and subutai are very interesting

[formal juniper]

This comment reminds me of the OSHA guy on Reddit, actually picking apart the chassis' for how they're entered and how well they protect the pilot

[winter temple]

where can I find the design docs for the unreleased frames?

[raven socket]

If they had design docs they'd be on my table for LCP'ing already :P

There's a draft for the Phasma, though

[winter temple]

oh I see, just wanted to ask

[raven socket]

nodnods that's okay!

Sorry for the snarky response

But yeah, they don't have design docs yet

[raven socket]

Terk typically posts them here when they're ready, so if you keep an eye out you should catch em when they're done

[winter temple]

👍 will do, Terk's designs are amazing

also magnetic cannon rat king

[hot shuttle]

There is also a draft for the Subutai'.

[raven socket]

Ah, I must've missed that

[hot shuttle]

#homebrew-design message

[stable jungle]

Suldan

[wide hatch]

does the rat king lose its mounted weapons while theyre on a drone?

[winter temple]

no

[viscid snow]

Nexa I just want you to know I see your Type 6 Billion Passwords, and I appricate it

[raven socket]

Was Terk's idea

One of my favourite mech taglines

[steep pebble]

Beta version of Operation Winter Scar is out with one SSC-alt, one HORUS-alt, an HA-alt and a full HA license. HAtriots rejoice!

[pliant token]

and not just any HA license

memes aside, the Gilgamesh looks dope af. I'm pretty hyped for the Legion Superheavy - looks like they might've finally hit upon a way to reintegrate the fighting subaltern drone concept from the original Kidd. And speaking of, the synergy between this and the Kidd is going to be wild, can't wait to go full pirate mode

[ LICENSES ]
IPS-N KIDD 2, IPS-N WORDEN 1, HA Gilgamesh 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
Superheavy Mounting, Integrated Ammo Feeds
[ TALENTS ]
Centimane 3, BRICKLAYER 3, Drone Commander 1, COMMANDO 1, BLACK THUMB 1
[ STATS ]
HULL:2 AGI:0 SYS:2 ENGI:4
STRUCTURE:4 HP:13 ARMOR:2
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:8 REPAIR:6
TECH ATK:+3 LIMITED:+4
SPD:6 EVA:6 EDEF:14 SENSE:8 SAVE:14
[ WEAPONS ]
SUPERHEAVY MOUNT: Legion Nexus
MAIN MOUNT: SUPERHEAVY WEAPON BRACING
[ SYSTEMS ]
Turret Mount, OMNIBUS PLATE x6, Utility Drone x6, Emergency Repair Module x5, SPEAR Charges x6, SMEE-Class COMP/CON Unit```

fwiw the Worden is from Field Guide to Suldan, and it's important for the Turrent Mount:

Your mech has a mounted weapon emplacement which can be operated by a single Size 1/2 non-mech character. A character can Mount or Dismount this emplacement as a quick action. Mounted characters occupy the same space as you, move when you move, and gain soft cover. On their turn, they may attack using the following pilot weapon as a full action. [Mounted HMG: Reliable 2, Range 10, 2d3 Kinetic.]

[winter temple]

At that point you are the party

[pliant token]

yarr

[hot shuttle]

It's pirate party time.

(A Gene had to.)

@hard mesa This is your fault.

[hard mesa]

(…What, just because you decided to borrow a fox's borrowed speech pattern?)

[hot shuttle]

I didn't want it!

[hard mesa]

Then there's only one thing for you to do: Read the Clocktaur War duology by T. Kingfisher.

[hybrid ledge]

Kidd's target finder is pretty silly on sputniks

[wraith birch]

Oh, I've been wanting to read Clockwork Boys. Is it good?

[winter temple]

A whole troop of mega accurate drones wielding shock knives guided by a blackspot

[hybrid ledge]

yeah blackspot sputnik's is insane

[winter temple]

What's the max possible number of Sputniks you could get on the field at a time

Want to see how much burn that could build

Or Heat if you're using Burst launchers

[hybrid ledge]

my buddy has gotten to... somewhere between 4 - 6

but his build is like...designed around mass producing sputniks with targeting lasers

[winter temple]

Is he going for support or damage

Because that's a lot of lock-on

(To only one target though)

[hybrid ledge]

more like he just wants to egregiouisly spam the on hit +1 accuracy

[hybrid ledge]

meanwhile, I'm playing Tukhachevsky and I appreciate all the free lock-on for hacker

[digital leaf]

For free lock on I'd say Painted Lady's IFF Spoof is probably still the best way to go.

[winter temple]

Arc Suppressor with Roland Chamber

also known as Thunder and Lightning

[rain topaz]

This may already be known, but the Suleiman is still an option on the Next Mech Form

[hardy citrus]

Following up on this question, this it got a little lost the other day

[rain topaz]

Also, @raven socket (my apologies if you dont like pinging), you said you were gonna end up setting up some sort of spreadsheet-thing to submit typos on, is that still gonna be a thing

[raven socket]

Thanks for the reminder
I'm just unsure how to format it

And if it should be a spreadsheet or a google doc

[rain topaz]

(Not pressing, just struck me as something that could be useful and wanted to follow up)

Could be a form

Give an option to select which mech, and them a text box to input the typo/correction

[raven socket]

Honestly not a bad idea

[covert surge]

People have just been using the google doc comment feature and i have just been pressing accept all after a quick look :P

[raven socket]

Yeah but I'm not really checking the google docs, and it's a pain to have to go through every single thing on a doc and compare it with my LCP stuff

I'd need to go through every mech and re-check the text

[rain topaz]

I know three changes for the rat king, and I'm sure there have been others (dont mean to be pushy, it's your guys project and time)

[raven socket]

It's fine, I'll go with a form I think

[rain topaz]

Dope

[raven socket]

How does this look?

[rain topaz]

You could even put it on the page that currently only has the WIP frame-vote form in the mech doc

[raven socket]

new link
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe72rg9GK9jVaDsyqWYEHQ2SagNTV2S63YlGz4v6gyE76nlQg/viewform?usp=sf_link

That look good?

[rain topaz]

hm

yeah, pretty much

[raven socket]

My only concern is duplicate typos

Oh, I should add an LCP version field

[rain topaz]

might i suggest an example for atleast the second input

like an example of the basic format your looking for

(i would also give simple example for the first box aswell, but thats just cause im a sucker for formatting consistency)

[raven socket]

That better?

[rain topaz]

maybe include the basic format aswell

like

[raven socket]

I did

[rain topaz]

gimme a moment, let me type it out

like, including a "(item)-(current text)-(fixed text)" or something

mostly just cause its not clear on a first reading of the text (atleast not for me), which one was the fix

(its fine, i think im just a bit nit-picky)

[raven socket]

What do you think is better:
(item) | (current text) -> (fixed text)
or
(item) - (current text) -> (fixed text)

[rain topaz]

also if i could suggest instead of "(If multiple, make multiple submissions)", it instead was "(If multiple, fill out the form separately for each one)"

i think second

also

maybe instead of "List the typos and corrections", it could be "Describe the typo and correction"

since the current version suggests there could be multiple typos and corrections, but the second question says to file each individual typo/correction separately

[raven socket]

I do want them to list them all in one report

[rain topaz]

(do tell me if this is too nit-picky)

ah okay

"If multiple, make multiple submissions", then what does this mean by "make multiple submissions"?

[raven socket]

Multiple different licences

Not multiple different typos

[rain topaz]

ahh, ok that was very clear to me

maybe just add "if multiple licenses,"

[raven socket]

Aye, I added that

[rain topaz]

one last thing

one moment

i had a final thing

trying to remember

ah

"Which licence has a typo?" to "Which licence has a typo/typos"

so its clear you can give multiple typos in 1 submission, just not multiple licenses

also, i think License has an s instead of a second c

[raven socket]

Not in the UK :P

[rain topaz]

ah yeah

was just googling that

damn brits

😁

[rain topaz]

(i say, having stolen plenty of british slang)

but yeah, the form looks good

if i might ask, what is the LCP version for

[raven socket]

A'ight

So I can tell if the submitted typos are on an old version or not

[rain topaz]

ahhh

smart

[raven socket]

But yeah, let's test it. Try submitting those Rat King typos

[rain topaz]

k

[raven socket]

Made a quick change to the form, you'll wanna refresh first

@rain topaz

[rain topaz]

k

submitted

[raven socket]

https://i.imgur.com/cRvGuOU.png
Looks good!

[rain topaz]

dope

also, first

also, where you going to put the form?

[raven socket]

Gonna ask Terk to link it on the google doc

And put it on the itch page

[rain topaz]

dope

(also, if you have access to changing it, the Suleiman is still an option in the next-mech-form (sorry for repeating, just wanted to make sure it was known))

[raven socket]

I don't, @covert surge'll need to fix that

[rain topaz]

k

welp, hope i was helpful

i think i can confidently say terk mech & tech is prob my favorite homebrew supplement

[raven socket]

I'm glad ^^

[rain topaz]

now i go back to waiting till i can vote for the phasma

(and weeping about it not having a heavy mount)

also, shouldnt anchor mine (gorshkov) have stats?

[raven socket]

Nope, mines don't have stats usually

afaik

A first-party example
https://i.imgur.com/TgUcmcP.png

[rain topaz]

k

this form has given me too great of a power

[raven socket]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-smile-jack-nicholson-yes-nod-gif-14306654

Yes yes
Report all the typos

Gonna put the form here in case anyone wants to use it
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe72rg9GK9jVaDsyqWYEHQ2SagNTV2S63YlGz4v6gyE76nlQg/viewform

[rain topaz]

hey uh

so the carbine conversion kit has this line "This mod cannot be applied to weapons that already have Inaccurate.", except that theres not a single rifle in the game that has inaccurate

[raven socket]

It's future-proofing

[rain topaz]

ah okay

i geuss the tagetes could actually bring this into play

[raven socket]

Also helps when players use lots of LCPs

For instance, with my LCP-set, I actually have one

https://i.imgur.com/ujUanQ6.png

[rain topaz]

ah okay

also, do you want just typos or also slight rewordings to be submitted to the form?

(if something is confusing)

[raven socket]

Hmm

What was the rewording going to be?

[rain topaz]

nothing specific

i just notice possible rewordings that can clear things up a lot, just in general

[raven socket]

Hmm
I'm unsure

[rain topaz]

like a submitted a minor thing for gorshkov, before i thought to clarify

[raven socket]

Lemme add a field

[rain topaz]

k

[raven socket]

actually hmm

[rain topaz]

well now im just going through the duilius looking for stuff

[raven socket]

Eh sure, go ahead

No guarantees I'll accept every rewording suggestion, though

[rain topaz]

dats fine

[rain topaz]

i hope its okay, i may have just gone through the Duilius with a fine-tooth comb

i enjoy formatting things

[raven socket]

That's okay!

[rain topaz]

all the corrections were done in an attempt to either make it a teensy bit clearer, or make it more compliant with the official lancer formatting

im just happy to be able to hopefully help with something, i dont get many chances to utilize my formatting abilities in a way that does not come off as a bit douchey or hypocritical

(now im rambling)

[raven socket]

It's fiiiine, don't worry. I appreciate the help ^^

[rain topaz]

np

[raven socket]

I'll implement all these corrections when I work on the next frame

[rain topaz]

dope

do we have an eta on when we might get the next frame?

[raven socket]

Whenever terk feels like making it ^^

[rain topaz]

dope

figured

at some point i might also go through the other mechs, but i think im going to go finish 'a very potter musical' or something

i very much enjoy picking through a formatting, but it does take some energy to do so

though it is very nice to be able to just put any little bits i notice in the form instead of having the urge to go and modify the lcp myself

ive only gone through 1 frame and modified it, and it toke quite a bit

(not a mech & tech frame, a different one called the "Menorca" i found on itch)

[covert surge]

Got home from a long day out for family obligation so rn im in bed like

[raven socket]

Hm?

[hybrid ledge]

Sorry my phone glitched while I was scrolling

Did a double tap or something

Apologies

[raven socket]

Ah, that's okay!

[winter temple]

Subutai + Goblin + Sunzi = Chess

[smoky meteor]

That's some wack chess you're playing there

[raven socket]

It would be very funny though

[hybrid ledge]

Meanwhile, I'm trying out dagon and it's kinda actually funny

https://tenor.com/view/ignore-me-the-venture-bros-grand-galactic-inquisitor-ignore-gif-18430223

[winter temple]

Gorgon with Enthrall Scorpion and Data Lash

[raven socket]

How did it go?

[hybrid ledge]

it's pretty good, the build is actually kinda hard to hit despite being so big

it's got painted lady 2 for Data Cloak to basically make anything I don't want to hit me gain or lose Smart

which is basically free data lash against anything

combined with like Technophile and Iconoclast stuff i'm just doing lots of damage and frying grunts who even attempt to fire at me

that said, after playing Tukh and Dagon back to back...i'm kinda done with hacker frames

[steep pebble]

When someone gets within Range 5 of you while having your Siege Stabilizers up:

[raven socket]

Whack 'em with the ball!

[covert surge]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1h3X5kgqYC_EFiSCv2p4z8GJjLMLw38pvgLnf-6plShc/edit?usp=sharing

[spring creek]

SPEED

[covert surge]

Changed the Hellfire Thruster to just dynamic burning entry

[rain topaz]

Wooop

[covert surge]

Lemme know if any numbers looks wack

[rain topaz]

Cant say the brudenell is my sorta mech, but god damn if it ain't quite the mech

This really is how harrison armory would make a flying mech

I think I will end up using the brudenell license though

My first thought is comboing the rocket attachment with hunter's lunge, to just create a full shovel-knight-esc flying dagger

[open ginkgo]

I see this is the mech you use when you decide to Defenestrate someone out through a wall from the middle of a building

[rain topaz]

Yeah, with dd288 and core power pop you can have a knockback of 18

Its wonderful

[covert surge]

“Please kindly return to your deployment zone”

[rain topaz]

More aptly "Please kindly return home"

[rain topaz]

And that's just those 2 things, I've previously figured out what the most knockback you can stack on a mech is, seems I'll have to retry it

In total is 19-20

So its deffo gone up

[winter temple]

Full build?

[rain topaz]

Frundsberg, dd-288 with supermassive mod, titanomachy, scramjet, agitron

Plus brutal2 for +1 knockback on crits

No idea what agitron is, but it's in my notes on the build