Terk Mech & Tech

[covert surge]

oh I got it designed, just refining

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z8cm7zyk69saWGkyhzLrE49dlC8k8j82kwrWiDhHdy0/edit?usp=sharing

Mostly probably changes to meta-altar

[raven socket]

@terse marsh peek this

[terse marsh]

WHA

Amazing

Absolutely astonishing

Oh I hope to god the LCP comes out within the month or something

My friend gonna murder me if he doesn't get to play it soon despite seeing the license

[raven socket]

surveying the doc to see how much pain I'll be in

Meta-Altar will need phrasing adjustments to make it clear the heat that the protocol deals is what's increased at the end of the turn, and that it stacks/increments

"Increase this heat by 1" is a bit weirdly phrased

[covert surge]

As above im probably gonna change it

[raven socket]

nodnods

I can sort out any phrasing weirdnesses in the final doc when I make the LCP, anyway

[indigo gulch]

Data lash needs some phrasing work. I understand the jist, but it's very messy to read

[raven socket]

I was thinking that, but I'm sure it'll be cleared up during refinement of the doc

We can sort out phrasing weirdnesses after the mechanics are final

[indigo gulch]

[terse marsh]

Just change 'is missed by' to 'or missed by'

Oh yeah, do you mind if I add suggestions and whatnot?

[covert surge]

Go ahead

[raven socket]

Made a bunch of suggestions for cleanup on the doc
Gimme a boop when stuff is ready for me to work on ^^

[pliant token]

I really do love the Dagon's core power

so simple

so intimidating

[cloud lotus]

ahhh im so upset the hectonkaries was renamed ahah, they are one of my favorite myths and i think it fits with the vibe of the piece

[covert surge]

Hmm i kinda want to rework the crab into a size 1/2 ipsn stealth mech

I like the “my diesel reactor spew smog so thick i can hide in it” vibe

[covert surge]

wake up, 24 comment on Rat King doc

I will never escape this mech

[hushed field]

Hey er, BTW, this is a COMP/CON issue more than a raw issue.. But the second heavy mount needs to be replaced with a superheavy mount, because normally heavy mounts can't be used to brace.

[covert surge]

Brace as in the action?

[hushed field]

No no, superheavy bracing.

[pliant token]

https://youtu.be/8mHKHKR8x6A?si=QC42wEMKnndeSsru

[covert surge]

my right ear enjoyed that video

[pliant token]

2006 was a different time

Besides I'm pretty sure it was originally a Newgrounds Flash animation, who knows what arcane arts were used to convert it to video

[hushed field]

@raven socket has been notified.

[raven socket]

noooooooooooo

[indigo gulch]

You're trapped in a hell of yer own making eh?

[covert surge]

I have made myself the fool whose tail is entangled in this rat king

[raven socket]

Fixed via some manual file editing

I'm starting to get Rat King syndrome with this meme frame lmao

[wheat storm]

Hello, I have a question regarding the Rat King

What happens to deployed Sputnik Drones that had a mount that was destroyed due to a structure

Do they just lose that weapon

[covert surge]

If they are already out they stay armed, you just cant deploy more of them with the destroyed weapon

[wheat storm]

Cool cool

Thanks

Grins

[viscid snow]

Yeah that was my assumption, they aren't actually using the weapon attached, just a reprinted copy of it

[wheat storm]

Oh yeah about this line in the core

Your Sputnik drones share your Evasion, E-Defense and Speed, and move independently on your turn.

Does this mean they can move without the standard drone redeploy

[covert surge]

They function like hydra drone that way

[wheat storm]

So I didn’t need to go to ll7 for puppetmaster

[covert surge]

Yes

[wheat storm]

Where’s that disintegrate meme

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrate-gif-22469816

Thanks btw!

I really love this frame and am actually thinking of drawing my custom at some point

[covert surge]

Even without independent movement entanglement can also allow drone to mirror your movement

[wheat storm]

That's true, but you mentioned obstructions still affect movement

I guess that's fine in open areas but you know, shrug

The frame trait of

When Rat King declares any action, it may instead consider the action to originate from the position of any Entangled drone

Is still really funny

I visualize holding a drone holding another drone holding a gun

[covert surge]

I am spartacus moment but it actualy works

[wheat storm]

Explaining Quantum Entanglement to someone who doesn’t play Lancer:

https://youtu.be/wkk8z3f0GzU?si=qzP3o5P2yytx3RFl

[viscid snow]

I had this thought experiment of a build that comboed that trait, super heavy mount and Hydras super heavy nexus that has burst 2

Do I want the rat in there? Course not, so just chain along 10 drones accross the map to use that as the centre of burst 2

[wheat storm]

That’s amazing

So basically the sputnik drones are just your range extension

Mountless

Is that even possible to deploy them mountless

[viscid snow]

Question of the hour

[wheat storm]

Can Sputniks improv attack???

[viscid snow]

Improv attacks are like, a frame ability, I don't think just anything can

[wheat storm]

I know, just think it’s funny to say

You can’t do it with a drone sure but you can do it with Brawler 2 and the frame trait

[viscid snow]

True!

[wheat storm]

You are the giant rat who makes all of the rules

[viscid snow]

Wait

No the drones can improv, as long as they're entangled

Though it's just you punching down the chain

[covert surge]

Im gonna ok mountless

[wheat storm]

It’s like hot breath telephone but the guy at the end doesn’t get anyone to breathe on

Superheavy Rat

Superheavy Rat

[covert surge]

A single bombard can ruin its day anyway if you are relying on entanglement too much

[wheat storm]

That’s what friends are for

This is just a flavor question but where is the Lancer in the artwork

[covert surge]

In there 😭

[wheat storm]

Sir he is fighting for his life in this thing

[covert surge]

Rat king was made pretty early before i got a good grasp on lancer mech design, so some question were not concerned when designing

Like where does the pilot go

[wheat storm]

Fair, entirely valid

The design still slaps

[covert surge]

Same problem different end is Painted Lady, which was originally drawn as a size 1/2 before i looked at it again and realized huh its kinda big

[wheat storm]

Makes sense

I just realized the poll exists

Voted for the Brudenell

[viscid snow]

I read that as a NHP pilot in a subaltern

So it can be fine

[covert surge]

Sputnik was based off Yes Man, a digital helper programmed to be always helpful but forgot to put limiters on them

So when the Ungrateful goes “Hey, I want to put the barons up against the wall” it just goes “Great idea, how can I help :D”

[pliant token]

I wasn't responsible for those 24 Rat King notes but I hope they weren't too big of a hassle to deal with

Cause if these issues will keep popping up it might be more trouble than it's worth to try and address everything? Not that I would know, I just see how much you've invested in trying to balance it over and over again

[viscid snow]

Also, just wanna throw my 2 cents in on the Heruka, it's like, crazy strong defensively at least to me, 10 hp, e-defense and evasion as well as 1 armour just sets off some alarms

[covert surge]

I based it off tort, halving the rep cap and 5 sensor for those extra stats, might pull it back if playtesting shows its stronk

it is quite strong in general, might modify its mount, too, two main aux and a double aux might be too much

[covert surge]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1u33sjVU_lFiczz_JKBWvDx_BCeu0PMXRsesf7j9EuuY/edit?usp=sharing

next frame write up done, I repurposed the Crab's core vibe

gonna take a nap now and draw it when I awake

[raven socket]

I'll get on it
Quite busy tonight so it may be tomorrow

[covert surge]

🛏️

[raven socket]

I absolutely adore the flavour on the Core Spike

Is that a rainbow six reference I see, btw?

[covert surge]

yeah its space Thatcher

[pliant token]

Just goes to show you, even with mechs

Everything becomes crab in the end

I love the Spotter Array and Active Scanner. Like Dagon's CP, they're so simple but so powerful it's kinda wild this is the first time I've seen them

There aren't a lot of mechs out there that rely on Scan but those that do will love the Array.

[raven socket]

https://i.imgur.com/Dr0HuEG.png

[raven socket]

I can think of some fun interactions with other homebrew mechs

Like the Comet from Suldan

wait, that's lock on

oop

[pliant token]

Yeah I really appreciate the mechs that provide benefits to Scan or Bolster, underutilized mechanics that can be so much fun with the right additions

[raven socket]

Had to come up with the active name for this one. Pretty proud of it :3

Hopefully someone knows what it's referencing

[pliant token]

I think one of the new SSC mechs from Castor and Pollux relies on Scan

Question though - Gorshkov is size 1/2?

Not for nothing I'm afraid it'll end up like

Well

[covert surge]

Repurposin crab vibe as in its core

Crab was the originator of the “i get to just have a cloud of soft cover follow me”

Actual visual vibe is going to be based off frogman, mistral, and pyke

[pliant token]

Cool! So it's not a stealth mech, since you're going to know it's there, but a wetworks mech; "I'm sabotaging your stuff and you can't do anything about it if I'm in a giant cloud of smoke"

[covert surge]

my replace the harpoon now that I think about it

not really feeling its design, and two weapons for a support mech with one flex mount seems redundant

[raven socket]

How work on the gorshkov is going rn

[pliant token]

Motherfucker looks like a DLC boss for Metal Gear Solid Revengence

And I mean that in the best way possible

[pliant token]

I AM DALAZ, OF THE WINDS OF DESTRUCTION

sick guitar riff starts playing

https://youtu.be/5Rg9SkfrveM?si=8sXN09L7k7g_Q1wh

[open ginkgo]

Nice! Reminds me of that swamp/water special ops unit see pictures of sometimes

[clever nebula]

HORUS moment tbh

[spring creek]

frogmen

[raven socket]

Okay, out of VR

Will get the LCP updated soon

[indigo gulch]

yoooooo that's sick as fuck

[raven socket]

LCP sent to terk for review

[open ginkgo]

Just quick question- is that a spike or a sword

[covert surge]

spike

it extends up to 2 meter when activated and you kinda just jam it into a mech servo and it don't work no more

@here The next mech has been released and LCP updated to include it: the IPS-N Gorshkov, hidden saboetur that throws a literal physical wrench into the works of the enemy

https://bluenexa.itch.io/terk-mech-and-tech

[viscid snow]

That goes so hard

[wraith birch]

Welp, got my new favorite frame lmao. Danish frogmen are peak boogeyman spec-ops aesthetic.

[viscid snow]

Yeah, it leaped (get it, frog man) straight up to my top 5

[pliant token]

I appreciate the ever-increasing cloud smoke is a protocol, not an automatic process; let's the player decide if they want to go true stealth instead of hard-to-target saboteur

Yeah, well done, this is probably my favourite frame of yours to date

[wraith birch]

Terk is singlehandedly converting me from an SSC simp to IPS-N simp.

[pliant token]

Imagine these systems on a Duskwing though

[viscid snow]

This right here is the thought process that leads to the new blackbeard alt frame

Threw together a quick lil build

-- IPS-N GORSHKOV @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
IPS-N GORSHKOV 3, G&S Anansi 1, SSC Death’s Head 2
[ CORE BONUSES ]
Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints, Overpower Caliber
[ TALENTS ]
Crack Shot 3, Infiltrator 3, SHADOWCLOAKED 2, Gunslinger 1
[ STATS ]
HULL:2 AGI:4 SYS:0 ENGI:2
STRUCTURE:4 HP:15 ARMOR:1
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:8 REPAIR:5
TECH ATK:0 LIMITED:+1
SPD:7 EVA:12 EDEF:10 SENSE:15 SAVE:14
[ WEAPONS ]
MAIN/AUX MOUNT: Vulture DMR 15 1d6+1 (Labryinth-Bore Silencer) / Pistol 5 3 1d3 // Overpower Caliber, Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints
[ SYSTEMS ]
Octocamo Ghillie, Core Spike x3, Sapper Kit x4, Core Siphon, Personalizations

It doe use a Grimm & Sons liscence for the scilencer which makes you not lose hidden on missed attacks and the Octocamo Ghillie which turns soft cover into hard cover, which is insane synergy (to the point I reckon I'll ban this combo in my game)

And it's so wonderful to just strap an OpCal on there just to take the head off a target

Basically, I love it

And wanted to show it off :)

[raven socket]

Cool build! Love to see it ^^

[cerulean smelt]

SABOTEUR
All checks and saves forced by the Gorshkov against hostile characters while Invisible or Hidden gain +1 Difficulty. If you have both, they automatically fail.

Is the difficulty for you the pilot, or the enemy??

I feel I may be reading it wrong

[covert surge]

The enemy

Same wording as empakaai

[cerulean smelt]

Ah I see it now, don't know why I didn't get it sooner, thanks!

[pliant token]

honestly I love to see OP homebrew synergies, because as a DM it just give me caveat to ramp things the fuck up

having a player outsmart or outplay you rules. having you turn the tables on them when they try that trick again? golden

[wraith birch]

I just realized. The Six-Foot Stilleto is a reference to Thatcher's "Six-inch blade doesn't lose reception," isn't it.

[raven socket]

Perhaps :P

Check the flavour text for the Core Spike as well

[wraith birch]

Funnily enough, I also have that reference on one of my pilots' weapon.

[raven socket]

[wraith birch]

lmao. Fooking laser sights recursive processing weaves.

[wraith birch]

[ LICENSES ]
  IPS-N GORSHKOV 3, SSC Metalmark 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Overpower Caliber, Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints
[ TALENTS ]
  Infiltrator 3, Crack Shot 3, Walking Armory 2, Siege Specialist 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:2 AGI:2 SYS:2 ENGI:2
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:13 ARMOR:1
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:8 REPAIR:5
  TECH ATK:+2 LIMITED:+1
  SPD:6 EVA:10 EDEF:12 SENSE:15 SAVE:14
[ WEAPONS ]
  MAIN/AUX MOUNT: Rail Rifle / GRENADE LAUNCHER // Overpower Caliber, Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Spotter Array, Armament Redundancy, Core Spike x3, Active Camouflage, Active Scanner, Sapper Kit x4```
Anyway, here's a Gorshkov build of my own. More mid-range stealth build with focus on destroying utilities and playing with AVD. Siege Specialist 1 for the jackhammer rounds and Walking Armory for the thumpers/jager to shoot people into mines or other people and sabot rounds for AP.

The combat plan is running active camo on turn 1, plant some mines, gain hidden, then start shooting people and forcing saves with WA rounds/crack shot.

[steep pebble]

@covert surge @raven socket

[covert surge]

Gorshkov and Metalmark is the home-brew version of Vlad and Minotaur

Star-crossed frames that are meant to be together but seperated by manufacturer

[raven socket]

lmaoo

[raven socket]

Looks good! Definitely a match made in heaven, those licenses

[wraith birch]

Yep. Believe it or not. I initially just wanted the reactive weave and rail rifle, then I realized that one more level can get me active camo either way, might as well upgrade.

Going melee and running the grapple stuff also seem fun, but I felt this fit the character concept I wanted better.

[hushed field]

Quick question.. Did you get the frogman hood idea from Nøkk?

[covert surge]

Frogman was cool for a long time before nokk

[hushed field]

Yeah that's fair.

[covert surge]

I even made a frogman 40k sister of battle before

[wraith birch]

I think it's called a sniper veil and it's used since WW1, the way the frogmen uses it in conjunction with the bump helmet underneath just look really iconic.

The basic underlying principle of "the head is the most recognizable part of a human, so wrap it in camo netting to blend in better" is kind of a moot point considering the frame actively emits thick black smoke wherever it goes, but hey it gets a point for style.

[covert surge]

Makes it even harder to figure out which part is smoke which part is a black veil covered head :P

Narratively its like “okay i know you are in this blinding black cloud but i don’t know your exact position within that cloud so kinda hard to get a bead on”

[steep pebble]

"I'm smoking on Paracausal Aun Firmament Pack. They water this with the blood of 36 Manticores. Shit so orange, it should be telling me ''Stabilize Now'', My brother in RA this shit will turn your frame off. "Warning: Sour cap exceeded". Reactor slaughtering Hercynian cush. This shit's got diamonds so you know the THC to RSU ratio was fucking swag, my brother in RA. Yeah it's that nefarious evil voladores 40 sorcerer grass. This shit's straight out of Cradle. This shit is what killed Harrison I. Rest in piss you fucking anthrochauv for real."

[wraith birch]

Okay, question about the wording of Pointman Co-Pilot. I get that it's meant to stop enemies from benefiting from the frame's own blackout, but when it says "cannot benefit from Soft Cover." Does that mean like any soft cover, like at all? Or does that mean just the soft cover it shares with Gorshkov.

Like hypothetically if the enemies have something similar to Skirm 1, does this nullifies the soft cover Skirm 1 gives?

[covert surge]

only the soft cover that it shares

mainly for blackout hook but you can also run into like the woods where the enemy are hiding and clear soft cover for that entire patch of trees

i guess I can reword to be like "If a hostile is in the same Soft Cover zone as Gorshkov, it cannot benefit from that same soft cover zone"

[hushed valve]

I'm really liking the Gorshkov, could make for a very nice hack/support frame too.

And yeah, rewording the last clause to "cannot benefit from that same Soft Cover" makes it very explicit, even if I thought the intention was clear.

[covert surge]

yeah my primary focus with the frame was, how do I do IPS-N hack, that isn't just giving it +1 tech and some invade suit

[hushed valve]

To be fair, "I attempt to ram a 2 meter carbon metal rod into a cockpit, actuator" is IPS-N as fuck.

And hilariously the LL3 system.

[covert surge]

good ole stick, nothing beats stick

The original text i had in mind for the core spike was a technical description of the stick, how its molecularly constructed and engineered to be extremely hard and pointy to head on compression so the stick can go through armor and deep into the mech, but malleable when force act on it from the side so when the gear comes down on it it bends in several place without breaking making it extremely difficult to actually pull out

But the final version is so much funnier more succinct

[raven socket]

I'll update the text

Updated, LCP is now at 0.7.1.

[hushed valve]

Hot damn that's fast.

[raven socket]

I actually commented that second thing a few minutes after I was done, and realised I should mention it here..

[hushed valve]

To be fair, I didn't even notice that, and was more commenting updating the ruling being reworded lol.

[raven socket]

Ohhh, gotcha

[hushed valve]

Might want to keep use of capital lettering consistent. "soft cover" versus "Soft Cover."

[raven socket]

Yep, I fixed that for the LCP

[hushed valve]

You're ahead of that then lol

[pliant token]

HA hacking: throw more RAM at it
IPSN hacking: S.T.I.C.K.

[hushed valve]

The different approaches and definitions of "brute forcing it."

[covert surge]

Hey one of the most versatile ips-n gear is a rope

It even stops teleport

Keep it simple

Better is the enemy of good enough

[clever nebula]

That's why you should only use the Everest

[hybrid ledge]

I still love the Tukhachevsky... If you are built to handle OClooping builds, you can handle saying "I win" with hacking

[raven socket]

It's still one of my favourites ^^

[hybrid ledge]

I'm just trying to figure out the optimal set up to spam the reroll til I invade you strat

Like as much as possible

[wraith birch]

"Paranormal Code? Gucci Hacker Suite? Nah, just spam junk mail to them."

[raven socket]

Loved that Gorshkov OC writing btw, peanut

[wraith birch]

Thank you!

[pliant token]

what if Gorshkov
and then Charioteer from Suldan

PUT ROLLERSKATES ON THE MOTHERFUCKER

I am still wildly disappointed the Suliman has not won a poll

I require ORB

[wraith birch]

Ball

[pliant token]

rOund

[wraith birch]

Reject legs, return to BALL

[pliant token]

sphereogenesis

btw is it just me or is the Rat King not in the big group shot on itch.io? I looked around for the guy but couldn't find him

[wraith birch]

The Rat King hides away, out of sight, waiting for an opportune moment to rat attack.

[covert surge]

He somehow dissappeared between the two version after i added duilius in

The olde one

[raven socket]

Gotta fit the gorshkov in now btw :3

I told ya, we're gonna fill the whole frame at this point

[wraith birch]

Cover the entire image in black smoke and call it good enough.

[raven socket]

lmao

[wraith birch]

Fun fact : The Gorshkov is singlehandedly responsible for 90 percent of air pollution in every planets that adopted it.

The smoke it produces alone destroys more of the environment than the Industrial Revolution.

[pliant token]

question - should the ever increasing cloud of smoke make the Gorshkov easier to detect? Like, for every degree of the cloud die that gets ticked up after the first, should enemies get +1 or 2 accuracy to determine its location if it's hidden?

[raven socket]

Wouldn't it make more sense for it to make them harder to detect?
Like sure, you can see the cloud, but the bigger the cloud, the harder it is to figure out where the gorshkov is in the cloud

[wraith birch]

I mean, I would say it makes it harder to detect.

They are hiding in liquid-like smoke after all.

[pliant token]

But you know for a fact it's in there somewhere, you just need to be sure exactly where

[wraith birch]

Okay, maybe you'd know where it roughly is, but you can't pin it down, can you?

[pliant token]

I mean fair

[raven socket]

Hidden is, thematically, not knowing the exact location of something, isn't it?
Therefore being in a cloud of smoke makes it almost impossible to know your exact location

[wraith birch]

Also, the bigger the smoke cloud, the larger the rough area they could be in is.

[pliant token]

Yeah I guess - just in my head hidden usually corresponds to stealthy, and stealthy the gorshkov aint

[pliant token]

It's my own personal hangup

[pliant token]

ok this legit made me laugh, well done

[raven socket]

It's stealthy in a different sort of sense

Aggressive stealth, not defensive stealth

If that makes sense

[pliant token]

It doesn't to me but I recognize this is a personal issue. Doesn't matter, the Gorshkov still rules

[raven socket]

That's fair! And ye, it does

[pliant token]

And to think, it started from crab

[pliant token]

https://youtu.be/DXt03zfWv2Y?si=jcASbvDyGiqUSrox

[wraith birch]

Also, I'm still waiting for the HORUS Horse in the meme LCP.

[raven socket]

If it gets a sheet, I'll happily add it :P

[pliant token]

huh

just made me realize a HORUS Unicorn is technically thematically consistent

[covert surge]

https://preview.redd.it/horus-horse-v0-e15dvmfbzpgb1.png?auto=webp&s=c8887f386defdba3343fdd50b0da19d9744394d2

[pliant token]

I wonder if it might work as a pegasus altframe

[wraith birch]

Mythical creatues, yeah.

[covert surge]

By the way i am a horse

Horus unicorn as a melee pegasus alt is a running joke in homebrew-design

Not to the degree of horus dragon

But still

[pliant token]

omg really

[pliant token]

I've seen two legit versions of the dragon, one in Auric Range and the other in the homebrew repository

never came across a Unicorn though

[cerulean smelt]

Unicorn would fit I reckon, it'd be neat to see

[covert surge]

Search horus unicorn has:link in this discord and you’ll see

[wraith birch]

I'm imagining something similar to the cataphract where you charge at people.

The paracausal weapon is just the horn.

[pliant token]

HORUS Hippogrypgh, just a Pegasus with inbuilt flight system

[wraith birch]

You've already been gored by the unicorn's horn, you just don't know it yet.

[covert surge]

And that doesnt include the unicorns that werent made into google doc

[cerulean smelt]

Would be sick to see a bit pulled from the Monster Manual where the Unicorn gives team benefits with a support ushabti

Got wounds? Nah never happened

[pliant token]

The random roll is to determine the threat range each turn on a d6

wait, shit

that might actually work

[covert surge]

The problem with melee alt of ranged frame and vice versa is alt are made to work with the liscense not the frame

And ranges frame liscense is full of ranged weapon and ranged support

You can make it work with a conversion trait like HA hannibal

But its an uphill process

[pliant token]

Frame trait -"This frame treats all ranged weapons as melee weapons. All range is reduced to 1/4 rounded down and considered threat."

?

[covert surge]

Speaking of alts heres a yi sun shin vlad alt i had cooked up

[pliant token]

ooh that would be dangerous coupled with the white witch

[covert surge]

heads up im probably going to skip over hecaton for now, that one needs a complete rewrite, so uh yeah dagon is next, then frundsberg, then suleiman

[wraith birch]

Yay! Frundsberg!

[hybrid ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/dagon-isles-of-dagon-gif-24741524

[pliant token]

is hecaton back to being hecaton or is the namechange still happening?

[covert surge]

Still changing name

[pliant token]

your mech, your choice. Mind saying why though? last time you mentioned reasons, or rather reasons, but didn't go into it

[covert surge]

I also said dont ask about it

[pliant token]

must've missed that part then! sorry

[hardy citrus]

Out of curiosity, do you think it still plans to have the multiple weapon profiles that you can switch between?

[covert surge]

yes

[hardy citrus]

Dopee

Also I've finally been looking through all of these

They're all so cool

I've always loved seeing your art come up, so having playable forms of them

Especially from someone else who designs rule of cool first and then balances from there 👀

[covert surge]

im getting pummeled with balancing problem because I am working backward from the fantasy

[pliant token]

looks at Rat King

[hardy citrus]

I FEEL THAT

I had that issue a lot with my iskander alt

Rat King is so cool

[pliant token]

He's da giant rat dat makes all, of, da, roolz

[covert surge]

the current draft for Lord

https://docs.google.com/document/d/15-JN92DYrgkx3s5Nl11MyvnruLMLzHvSdTLtk6Vly0M/edit?usp=sharing

Dagon is still coming next no worries

[open ginkgo]

Very interesting concept, scary as fuck

[hardy citrus]

Oh this is so fascinating

The one thing im curious on is how it is integrates into comp con

[raven socket]

with much pain and suffering on my part

(I have no idea yet, we'll see)

[hardy citrus]

The worst possible thing I can think of would be having to make like two blank integrated weapons, That just have a fillable spot

And it would just be on the player to move them around

[winter temple]

(someone's probably made this joke already) IPS-N Lord? More like IPS-N Oh Lawd It's Comin

[wraith birch]

Oh Lawd He THICCC

[indigo gulch]

Thiccer than a bowl o' oatmeal!

Wait... is this fuckin mech just Tuchanka from R6 Siege? Is that why it's called Lord, i.e. LORD TUCHANKA???!!!

Why did i not piece this together earlier

[covert surge]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Hall_Lord

😉

[viscid snow]

Is that reliable 12 on the first heavy weapon???

(Potentially at least)

Oh I love this liscense

Fist full of mods too

[covert surge]

Dont need to aim just keep shooting

[viscid snow]

Oh absolutely

Also like, technically the Lord can get that gun up to reliable 15

However, +5 difficulty

But with reliable 15 you don't need to hit

[covert surge]

Reliable dont exceed the weapon’s max damage iirc

[viscid snow]

Really? Doesn't say that in the base book but also thats not suprising cause theres no offical situations where this would come up

[viscid snow]

Also, yeah, god help you Nexa with getting this to Comp/Con

[covert surge]

I mean it would just be giving it two main/aux mount and clarifying that you cant fire these until switched to

[viscid snow]

I'm more thinking the switching weapon mods part mid mission

[hardy citrus]

Okay a couple of questions about the Lord

• If I have the core power that gives me an integrated auxiliary weapon can I switch that out with other auxiliary weapons I have saved
• if the Lord has a heavy weapon can it not switch the heavy weapon onto one of its main aux?
• can you apply a core power that modify a mount to one of its integrated secondary amounts

[covert surge]

Yes
No i guess but like why would you do that
Yes

maybe I should give it a second main mount if it want to switch with the weapon its holding? not sure if I want to give a support even more mounts

Its being a support with a whole ass heavy mount is already teetherint on the edge

[covert surge]

Dagon is being sent to being made into LCP, next up, Frundsberg

[raven socket]

There may end up being a bit of a delay due to a storm. Worst comes to worst, I can make the LCPs on my phone

[covert surge]

https://d28xe8vt774jo5.cloudfront.net/champion-abilities/0122/ability_0122_R1.webm

[hardy citrus]

Maybe just making one of it's back up supplies a heavy ? Or its back up supplies a heavy, a main, and an aux/aux?

[covert surge]

nononono

any weapon swap mechanic that involves a heavy runs into the Daisy Cutter trap

[hardy citrus]

Okay yeah fair

[covert surge]

that was its first draft and immediately the idea of just packing a Daisy Cutter, firing it until its empty and switching out came up

[hardy citrus]

Genuine question is there a reason it needs to have a heavy?

I know the TCK 50 is a heavy but is there anyway it could be balanced down to a main, then giving it a flex instead of a heavy? /gen

(I mean of course other than the fact that it being a big heavy weapon is really cool)

[covert surge]

because I like it :P and its core power is balanced around being able to slap your own heavy on it

[hardy citrus]

*Nod nod nod * That's good enough a reason

I mean of course if someone ever wanted a main aux on it they could always just take the core power

[hardy citrus]

I wish there was a way to make like. New weapon mounts on comp/con (is there??? I haven't found a way?)

Cause i would have pitched like, a super-flex (1 heavy, 1 main/aux, or aux/aux)

That way you could play either into heavy weapons or being able to switch weapons around more easily without needing to pick up core powers and without needing to have more than one mount on a support

[covert surge]

If you want to switch out a main aux into your main hand you can always plop the heavy out into a turret and then switch

since Heavy mount can take Main

[hardy citrus]

TRUE TRUE i forgot you could target that, for some reason i assumed you could only target the reserve mounts

[hardy citrus]

Reason i mention is cause you could only put the main out from reserves, since heavy is 1 heavy, 1 main, or 1 aux

I do love the Lord tho

Very fun gameplay fantasy

I think I'd almost definitely pick up improved armament and integrated

That way im running a version that can run a heavy, main, and aux all while also having its back up reserved

That would be achievable by what, LL6?

[hardy citrus]

Another question
Its intended that you can put weapons your allies don't have the LL for on those allies with your swap out abilities, right?

[covert surge]

yes

you are just the pack mule for weapons

spend LL so they don't have to, spend SP for mods so they don't have to, spend mounts for weapons in case situation needs them etc

[hardy citrus]

Cooool

[covert surge]

you can even take Heat for allies weapons and Load weapons for them

[hardy citrus]

My partner pointed out LL1 into Mourning Cloak and Caliban are both GREAT since they both give two weapons, and a mod and a weapon, respectively

[covert surge]

Item Caddy!

[hardy citrus]

My partner @glass saffron brought up Zheng being a probably really fun option to mix with

2 into zheng
Get combat sheath, strength suite 1, and molten wreath

[pliant token]

this is starting to read like chess annotations

rook to b8

[hardy citrus]

2 into hydra to get Ghast Drone sounds like it could be wacky, put the nexus-drones onto other allies

[pliant token]

ah yes, the german opening

a classic

[hardy citrus]

LOL

[glass saffron]

Molten Wreath is just a fun mod, the sheath is synergy bait with mods since you can get more hits per attack (Same with the Vlad's impact lance), and- Your ranged weapons may be inaccurate, but your ranged rocks sure aren't

[hardy citrus]

Oh huh thats so true

I keep going back to manticore 1 for catalyst pistol

[covert surge]

melee Lord 😰

this fandom will do anything to make any frame a melee frame huh

[pliant token]

stares at terk in horus unicorn

[hardy citrus]

To be fair, @glass saffron also just loves the Zheng

Its his favorite mech

[covert surge]

the siren song of glorious melee combat and high intensity steel on steel action

[pliant token]

also an appropriate description for any number of Transformers slashfics

[covert surge]

[glass saffron]

Strength Suite 1 is just a non-weapon Slag Cannon, totally a ranged build trust me

[hushed field]

We may have also developed a melee Duilius with the help of the Crisis Catalogue.

[pliant token]

oh my god

[hardy citrus]

If we start looking at the near official third party (which is to say, Suldan, since its like, you know, made by someone on the team)

There's some cool stuff to put on a lord in there

[covert surge]

Real Roman Hour

but the Duilius is actually mean to be able to be ran as a melee mech

yes

[hushed field]

I have a question though: When the Duilius says make a special Ram attack, does that combo with Siege Ram?

[pliant token]

Suldan and Legionnaire are in my "basically canon" wheelhouse

[covert surge]

since it has melee weapons in its liscense and ramming corepower

[pliant token]

wouldn't be surprised if they do manage to get official endorsement somehow somewhere down the line

[covert surge]

ram core into overcharge Combat Drill on the Duilius is incredibly funny by the way

[hardy citrus]

Im thinking of IPSN Pointman from Suldan on Lord

[hushed field]

Whereas we're using the Ultraheavy Combat Maul because I'm sorry, but I keep thinking of the giant hammer the Celestial General gets in Total War: Warhammer 3.

[hardy citrus]

Being able to put the Underbarrel Breacher mod on for cheaper, getting an extra weapon onto your build for your heavy slot, taking it off and putting the mod on other weapons to then give to allies

Underbarrel Breacher mod with its built in auxillary launcher, is WACKY on Lord

... Of course that's cross homebrew lol

[glass saffron]

If you want complete overkill, the Retrocausal Mod completely negates the dowside of Napoleon's Phase-Ready mod, letting you shoot anyone anywhere anytime

[hardy citrus]

Retrocasual?

[covert surge]

it is pretty SP hungry

[hushed field]

If I didn't have the Combat Maul though, I'd probably run it as a Krakatoa twin-sword build.

[covert surge]

new Lord's LL3 mod

[hardy citrus]

OH RIGHT lol

[covert surge]

replacing the olden on which was disgustingly overpowered with like a Siege Cannon

[glass saffron]

Perfect for playing with your eyes closed

[hardy citrus]

Id imagine you're building for high sp anyway

[hushed field]

Retrocausal seems to be the bane of the Gorshkov.

[glass saffron]

"Hey, Death's Head, can I see that Railgun?"
Mod rearranging sounds
THERE IS NO ESCAPE

[hardy citrus]

LOL

....wait.

[pliant token]

if we're bringing up mechs to combo with Lord though I gotta mention the Purple Flytrap

[covert surge]

plug in auxillary weapon link

[covert surge]

"keep shooting don't worry about it" as Lord starts to glow orange

[raven socket]

Hot damn that looks cool

What's it from?

[pliant token]

new waffenfabrik zalewski art

[hardy citrus]

Wait.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UaICHW2GSlDMPdMKzOPT5WLN7SujAItF_5FxQi7fkeQ/edit?usp=sharing

Can you put mods onto allies weapons

[covert surge]

kinda

[pliant token]

other frames incldude the brown goose which lets you carry around your own squad

[hardy citrus]

Can a lord slap their mods onto their allies's geryon

[covert surge]

it takes a bit of time but yes

it doesn't work on intergrated

[hardy citrus]

Ahhhh ok ok trafic

Tragic*

[hardy citrus]

What are these from :0?

[pliant token]

https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1058136152680443984

[covert surge]

like you can swap weapons between you, rearrange all the mods onto the ally gun, then swap back to hand your allies "Retrocausal Phase Ready Railgun, destroyer of worlds"

[hardy citrus]

Ohhh ok ok yea

[pliant token]

and the Black Ambassador which is powered by NANOMACHINES, SON

[hardy citrus]

LOL

[hushed field]

Do they harden in response to trauma?

Indie_Winter ↩️

[Reply to:](#1150099146620018708 message) and the Black Ambassador which is powered by NANOMACHINES, SON 📎

[hardy citrus]

This is so so wild

[glass saffron]

The Kobold working overtime to build a fort and stall the, what, 3 rounds that'll take to set up, they'll be fiiiiine I'm sure

[covert surge]

it takes 1 round actually

if you start adjacent to each other

on your turn, protocol to swap with an allied gun, free action to rearrange mod

[glass saffron]

Riiight, because the mod swapping isn't restricted

[covert surge]

on Deathhead turn, protocol to take it back

[hardy citrus]

Me going and overtuning 2 mods onto my ally's Vorpal Gun

[covert surge]

heck you can even plop down the world destroyer railgun as a turret for Death Head to use and be even nuttier that way

[glass saffron]

It could be a viable strategy to just fully encase that death's head using Kobold's Core power, now no one can touch them and they have just press the kill button over and over

[covert surge]

we have re-invented the Death Star

[hardy citrus]

LMAO

[glass saffron]

Can't hide, can't counterattack, can't run in a meaningful amount of time. Surely the DM won't introduce any sort of counterplay, it's foolproof

[covert surge]

a single scout about to drop orbital strike/bombard

[hardy citrus]

Another fun option

2 into monarch seems decent

Tortuga in general is real nice

[covert surge]

basically almost any levels into any frames is going to give Lord some kinda weapons to play with

except for Minotaur

boooo 🐄

[pliant token]

melee minotaur

gotta catch THESE HANDS

[hardy citrus]

@covert surge when you stabilize and load, do you also reload all your weapons in reserves yoo

[covert surge]

im gonna say yes thats sounds like intended usage :P

[hardy citrus]

Lets go 3 levels in Raleigh

[covert surge]

shoot all your loading, hand your weapons off to your quartermaster, let him reload that shit

[hardy citrus]

Me slapping uncle onto anything i want

Wait.
How does uncle work with your integrated reserves?

[covert surge]

Only works when its out

[hardy citrus]

Oh its "you can", nevermind

Luckily the wording on uncle benefits this mechs balance

Phew

[covert surge]

Writting Frundsberg rn and this thing can be pretty obscene if you wanna take risk

9 ap damage if you drop down from heaven to obliterate a mech

[hardy citrus]

dulius seems decent on Lord
Carbine Conversion Kit, Legion, and Arc Surpressor all seem fun on lord

[hushed valve]

Ah yes, the mech that has allowed us to dream up "how many squads worth of people can we put on a single mech, with MULE carriage, each with Expanded Compartment?"

[wraith birch]

To be fair, Gorshkov fares better than other stealth build against this since this doesn't completely negate the effect of Gorshkov's passive, because it ignores but doesn't remove invisible and hidden, so the Gorshkov can still use its passive just fine.

[covert surge]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IBmgeN0qzcP7Q3voPUfKiuDDpj4oQMEhf-Y_6s0s4JE/edit?usp=sharing

big guy

[clever nebula]

WOOOOOOOO

[hardy citrus]

Am i right to understand that the knockback of the weapon increases every time, not that it does 1 knockback, ob a crit

[covert surge]

it does knockback 1 on a crit

[hardy citrus]

Ahhh ok ok

Is push of pike multiple times a round?

[covert surge]

its basically souped up melee overwatch

so multiple times a round, 1/turn eating reaction cap

[hushed field]

Though, doesn't the art not line up with the stats?

[covert surge]

?

how you mean

[hushed field]

Well, the pike is a main weapon, the Zweihänder is a superheavy, but the art has 3 pikes and the Zweihänder.

Implying 3 mains, a (super)heavy, and a brace.

[covert surge]

:)

man got 4 torches

[hushed field]

Okay fair.

[covert surge]

Oh hey this is before nhp got renamed

Coolio

[slow delta]

So I just discovered the Terk M&T frames today beyond just seeing art and thinking "That looks neat"
And after reading through them mechanically I love basically all of them

[raven socket]

I'm about to release a new mech in literally about 10 minutes btw

[slow delta]

[raven socket]

Think you'll like this one

[slow delta]

like, one of my pilots has been mechless in the craftroom for a long time, but the Heruka and Gorshkov are both such good fits (The Heruka especially with its Martial Artist vibes)

[raven socket]

Aaand released
Do your thing, terk :P

[covert surge]

@hereCome and See

[slow delta]

....yo

that looks Clean

[sand vapor]

Is there a single LCP with the terk mechs? Or is it individual per mech?

[raven socket]

Single LCP

Terk'll link it in a sec

[indigo gulch]

[covert surge]

For the month of October we got the spookiest mech in the line up released, the Horus Dagon, an incomprehensible eldritch thing that should not be

https://bluenexa.itch.io/terk-mech-and-tech

The unified LCP has been updated with the new frame

🦑

[indigo gulch]

yoooooooooooo

[slow delta]

so how does the Dagon work?

[covert surge]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z8cm7zyk69saWGkyhzLrE49dlC8k8j82kwrWiDhHdy0/edit?usp=sharing

it has piss poor native sensor range, but if it is in sensor range of a mech, that mech is in sensor range of it

if you can see it, it can see you

[indigo gulch]

ah yes, the Observer Effect

[covert surge]

and then it starts messing you by redirrecting your tech actions and stacking impaired and debuffs

[indigo gulch]

love that Delta Green scenario

[slow delta]

so is the point of it magnetically forcing people to target itself with tech attacks so that it can prevent allies from getting invaded and such?

[covert surge]

yes, and it has hilariously high base e-def

theres also a secondary function of debuff stacking, which it can do through the Impaired refresh, Behold and Meta-Altar, and it can then cash in and convert all those conditions into AP damage with the spear

[slow delta]

interesting, this is really cool

[covert surge]

it also looks actually spooky as fuck in the mech list

[slow delta]

it really does

I was looking at it and was suddenly slapped in the face by the realization that its Size 3

like

its freaking huge, just complete eldritch horror

[raven socket]

Alright, emails've been sent out

That should be everything done for the night

[covert surge]

I normally don't do the usual Horus estoeric rambling but just for this one I try my best to do it to crank the horror aspect of this thing as much as I can

[raven socket]

@hybrid ledge @pliant token

[raven socket]

Also @sinful turtle

Dagon's released, you three!
(BY THE WAY
REMEMBER TO RE-CAST YOUR VOTES)

[indigo gulch]

where do we recast votes?

[raven socket]

On the google doc. If it needs cleared, @covert surge should be able to help with that

[indigo gulch]

also just read the Frundsberg

fucking awesome

we need more size 2-3 mechs, everyone makes way too many 1/2 sizes

me want beeg stomp

[raven socket]

It occurs to me

Once this project is completed
We're going to have at least 20 mechs

[indigo gulch]

pog

[raven socket]

And that's assuming Terk doesn't get a fey mood and add something I've never heard of out of the blue :P

(Which he will)

(Looking at you gorshkov/duilius)

[indigo gulch]

you know 100% he will

[raven socket]

mhmm

[indigo gulch]

you think once you've caught up to the current art mechs this'll be over?

Nah

Terk's gonna be like "but what if..." and then it's a sudden cascade of lcp making

[raven socket]

Some days I just
get a google doc link through to my DMs and I'm just like
"What the fuck is this"
reads
"Oh shit, that's awesome, I'll get on it"

btw terk, remember to remove the dagon from the WIP frames list

[indigo gulch]

and the Frundsberg

and the Lord

[raven socket]

it'll get to the point where we've been doing this for years and we have more frames than massif has officially put out in total

mark my words

Forget LANCER RPG
TERK RPG

[pliant token]

I'm thinking about potential synergies between Dagon and https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1119112216738795560 Chthonian

We just need someone to do a HORUS Hastur frame for that King in Yellow trifecta

[indigo gulch]

I've been tempted to type that up ngl

I really like Hastur

[pliant token]

omg do it

I always suspected Chambers was deeply influenced by Poe's Masque of the Red Death when in came to the King In Yellow - Yellow being the only color missing from the set of rooms which described the progression of life, marking it out as something alien and inimical to humanity

[covert surge]

Oh my god does no one get the ref

😭

[indigo gulch]

which ref?

[raven socket]

It seems not

[indigo gulch]

sry I've been in and out of convos

[raven socket]

Take a closer look at the name of one of the LL3 systems

[indigo gulch]

for Dagon?

[raven socket]

Aye

If you need a hint
|| https://i.imgur.com/BNHHCXS.png ||

( @pliant token )

[indigo gulch]

Haunt ur packet? Is that a ligma style joke? or did I miss the mark completely?

[raven socket]

Think of how that symbol at the start is pronounced

[indigo gulch]

OH

I GET IT

[pliant token]

ha!

[indigo gulch]

I think

Hastur reference?

[raven socket]

Also consider the name of the full tech in that system

[indigo gulch]

how am I missing this...

[pliant token]

Yeah english ain't my first language so when I see that symbol it ain't the english word what pops in my head

[covert surge]

Yes, I even put the Yellow Signal in there as a primer

[raven socket]

hash_ur packet

[covert surge]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[raven socket]

hashur

hastur

[indigo gulch]

OK I was right then!

[raven socket]

Mhmm

[indigo gulch]

sry for ping

got excited

[raven socket]

It's okay! I like pings

https://i.imgur.com/rQShdrx.png

This is the hastur frame :P

[indigo gulch]

on the Doc it doesn't say Yellow Signal

it just has the action description

[raven socket]

Yes, I added that during LCP production

Because it needed to be an action

And actions need names

[indigo gulch]

Yeah if i'd known that was the action name I would've caught on sooner

[covert surge]

There are some stuff that dont show up in google doc but needs to be named for lcp

[pliant token]

https://youtu.be/xEvJmI7uJ-g?si=qrMYPPD9SFzYKh4o

[covert surge]

Like actions granted by systems etc

[raven socket]

Basically, as far as comp/con and VTTs are concerned, anything that's active (so, an action) needs to be a named action

Only stuff that doesn't have an effect you actively trigger can just be plain text

Like

A system that says

"As a quick action, X their Y" or just "X their Y"
Has to be an action
But one that says
"Every time you Z, you X their Y"
can just be text

And if it's an action, it needs to be named

That make sense?

[indigo gulch]

ye, my point was that one of your hitns was the action's name and I couldn't see it

[raven socket]

Yeah

[indigo gulch]

but that aside

good to know this for when I make lcps ;_;

I am terrified

[raven socket]

It's not that hard! There's a tool you can use for it
It's not perfect though, and you'll have to do some manual editing here and there

quick tip

LCPs are actually just zip files

So you can extract them and edit the component files as needed

then re-zip them and rename them to an lcp

[indigo gulch]

huh. Neato

[raven socket]

https://i.imgur.com/JIuZ7dl.png

This is what's in the TM&T LCP

So if there's an issue with say, a weapon

you can just open up the weapon JSON

make a quick edit

[pliant token]

missed opportunity for the really deep cut by naming the system #FFFF00_packet and the action (IF mask = false)

[raven socket]

and zip it back up, and rename the zip to LCP

technically it doesn't matter if you change the extension

comp/con will accept .zips

but it's just so people know the thing's for lancer

[raven socket]

https://cc-lcp-editor.netlify.app/

Here's the tool I use

[indigo gulch]

yee I've seen that before, have yet to mess with it too much

[raven socket]

A couple things to note

• If you enter something in the Effect field of a system, and then remove it, the tool won't remove that section from the output, just make it empty - So you need to go into the json and remove the effect field. This is true for all fields.
• If you make a deployable like a mine, the tool will give it some default stats, that you have to remove the same way if you don't want it to have them

Otherwise you get like

SYSTEM NAME

Effect: (visually empty but still has the named effect section)
Description: bla bla bla
[the action block]

[covert surge]

Cthonian is cosmic horror, Dagon is psychological horror

What is the third horror pillar for a spooky eldritch be

[raven socket]

body horror

but uh

hm

I'm actually not sure

[covert surge]

mourning cloak

[indigo gulch]

physical space alterations? i.e. Hounds Of Tindalos emerging from any possible corner in existance and shredding you apart on an existential level

I've wanted to make a Tindalos frame but I'd have to figure out how to make it work lol

[covert surge]

I did had a weird idea that was floating in the back of my mind of “whenever no hostile has line of sight of you, you can teleport to any other place that hostile do not have line of sight of”

[indigo gulch]

this but a mech is what I've craved making

this art from Delta Green is also quite good

[covert surge]

Wall-phasing mechanic

[oblique skiff]

ghosty mech

[indigo gulch]

if I didn't have like 2-3 other mechs I need to start and finish I'd start on this boi ;_;

[covert surge]

Or some efffect where its like “mark a target, HoT will ignore any involuntary movement that would move it further away from the target. On your turn, it mirrors your movement, ignoring all obstruction”

The distance between you and it can only decrease, it can never increase

[hybrid ledge]

Spooky Dagon has come

all that is next is for everyone to do the right thing and vote for Suleiman

THE ORB

[raven socket]

Ah, you must've mis-spoke - I think you meant Brudenell

[hybrid ledge]

ORB SUPREMACY

[raven socket]

IN THRUST WE TRUST

(simply Attach More Boosters™️)

someone posted a meme about it

lemme find it

[slow delta]

I have no clue what the Suleiman or the Brudenell is

so I'm just gonna watch ya'll argue until whatever he mech that wins is gets shown off

[hybrid ledge]

Suleiman is tiny little ball boi

[raven socket]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1150099146620018708/1150126673270952026/image.png?ex=653d4a6f&is=652ad56f&hm=4a61ed0e73dfcc274ba9e43cd8937d3433c9de8871c5f55af52bd677b2545ef6&

[hybrid ledge]

Brudenell is HA Nelson

[raven socket]

Oh I know what's next lmao
I'm just being silly

Looking forward to making The Ball™️ tho

That lil' guy's so silly

no fuckin' clue where I'm gonna line the preview up with tho

does it even have a face

[hybrid ledge]

just pick a shot with a view of his little gun arm

[raven socket]

message received, loud and clear
https://i.imgur.com/5VEXW5G.png

[hybrid ledge]

damn

That'd work out

Luckily there are no wrong answers with orb boy

[wraith birch]

To be fair, a barb shouldn't be able to fly either, but you can still slap a GMS flight system on and force it to fly anyway because mama didn't raise no bitches.

[viscid snow]

YEAH BABY NEW TERK M&T FRAME

I love this stuff

Just skimming the Dragon

I love that core bonus

It's something simple

[pliant token]

Existential horror

The King in Yellow, and the Masque of the Red Death, were all about the decadence of elites thinking they can escape the shadow of death, only for that shadow to strike at them through their hypocrisy, in the midst of their revels

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This actually works pretty well for that honestly

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Can create cover or black out spots too

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what if the Calendula INTANGIBLE mechanics but utilizied like the Sunzi

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Where is this from?

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new art for https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1058136152680443984

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Yooo sick I was waiting for new art for that

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there's also the Baymax frame who's CP is that it can turn from a size 1 to a size 3 like a goddamn Power Rangers monster zapped by Rita Repulsa

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question

since it doesnt mention it cant

can Sacrificial Spear and #_Ur Packet cascade? usually AI that cant say they cant, but

asking for Iconoclast

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what kind of cosmic horror would it be if it cant

fwiw I asked a similar question re: the interpoint acastus' null matter blade and the answer there was yes it can absolutely cascade

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not made by the same person

im asking for RAI, the creators intention, not RAW

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sure sure, just putting it out there

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for context:

MEMETIC SPARK
QUICK EFFECT
1/Round you may deal 1 AP Energy damage to a character within Range 3 as a Quick Action.
The spark deals +1 damage for each undestroyed NHP on your mech including this one. “NHPs” are Systems that both grant your Mech the AI tag and can cascade or can be allowed to cascade.

After performing any action granted to you by an NHP, excluding handing control of your mech over to the NHP as a protocol, you may immediately perform the TRANSMUTING SPARK free action. Each NHP may only trigger this action 1/round.

TRANSMUTING SPARK EFFECT
Project a LINE 3 lightning arc as a free action. Characters of your choice in the LINE take 2 AP energy damage.

Gain a Transcendence Die, a d3 starting at 3. When you use “Transmuting Spark,” reduce the die by 1. If the die is at 1 when you use “Transmuting Spark,” 
[.............................................. (unimportant stuff cut out for now]
“Memetic Spark” gains +4 damage and +5 Range.

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looking here, 3LL into Dagon, minimum 1 into technophile, and iconoclast, and youre running a 1+4 AP Energy DMG 1/ turn
lets assume technophile 2, iconoclast 3 here.

you attack, using the obsession protocol (quick action)- deal 2 AP Damage in a line
You reroll the roll (free action) - deal 2 AP damage in a line
you create a digital construct or tp to it (full tech or free action) - deal 2 AP damage in a line
you memetic spark (quick action) - deal 2 AP damage in a line, then deal 1+4 AP damage

you have now, at LL 3, a mech thats doing minimum 13 AP damage a turn (assuming no one else is in the line), and this is before weve made any attacks or invades or such

this is not including the AP damage dealt by obsession protocol, or the damage dealt by sacrificial spear
so thats 13 AP damage, plus obsession's AP damage, plus 1d6, plus 4 more AP damage if your Trascendence dice hit 1 , which you should every single round based on the list above

is it the highest? NO, probably not, but its v consistent

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Yeah they can cascade

And dagon does have Herald of Iconoclasm as its role :P

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Fey mood do be striking i kinda want to figure out a good niche to build a size 3 ssc

Since basegame HA has barb, and this supplement has Horus Dagon and IPS-N Yermak as size 3

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Honestly I'm surprised SSC hasn't gotten a Size 3 in base game yet, it sounds like an awesome idea

There is a ton of creative space there, ranging from Kshatriya style vibes to like, even Mothra to a degree

https://tenor.com/view/gundam-unicorn-nz-nz666-666-gif-20336891

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The trouble is just mechanically to make a frame that make sense

Size 3 most obv route are either their pseudo reach and heavy frame, which easily slots into HA and IPS-N as tanky unstoppable frame

SSC is a bit harder with their native comparative fragility

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hm, thats' true

and even the big defender mech they've got with the WW is themed around building up toughness rather than being that natively tanky

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Maybe have the frame be fragile despite it size, but having amd expected amount of manuvability for something it’s size/it’s that big because it’s a flyer and needs to room for jets?

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But then the question is why mechanically, is it size 3 and what does it get from it, Barb gets heavy frame so it can just stand and deliver, Dagon wants to exist in people’s sensor range so it takes up more space so it can clip their sensor range easier and establish los over things, synergy with #_ur

Its harder to think of sth fitting for ssc which i guess is why people havent really done it in hb

Size 3-4 homebrew are predominantly IPS-N w some horus dragons/tarrasque sprinkled in

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Yeah, makes sense

Could also justify it fluffwise- say it was a request from the person who first commissioned it or to show off

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I'm imagining just

The SHIELD helicarrier

it's all about Drones and Deployables - the SSC version of the Kidd, but it's also a landing deck for other mechs

cons - cannot be hidden, invisible, or benefit from soft cover. Not fragile but just, so counter the very ethos of SSC mechs it almost has to be a show mech

a constellar parade float that was never meant to see active combat but the licence was leaked

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This is just the Foehn 2 :P

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Does the Foehn synergise with drones/deployables? I thought it only had the mech launcher

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Big ole hellicarrier landing deck

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Ah well in that case nvm, I was just enamoured with the mental image of two mechs fighting atop a third mech

I recommend you check out the Auric Range - delilah has some really amazing SSC biomech Neon Genesis Evangelion frames there that might inspire you

or THE SCENE - what if 3 NHPs decided to collaborate on mechs as art? So you get stuff like the brutalistic Renaissance that represents the crimes of SecCom, the dreamlike pastel Roccoco who controls and defends using clouds of colored smokes, or the Dada, which is not a mech, it's a giant crystal that's only abstractly humanoid and yet somehow, despite everything, can fit a pilot inside and is perceived as a mech by F/F electronics

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Its mostly the mechanic side of im thinking of, visual comes later

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Ah I just go with the visual descriptions cause they're evocative

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Bz-dXr2LonEuKlaG50z_2fHTG_c3-L7hjbxiCkAaRhg

the mechanics are all there

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Do have to say, you are very good at making the mechanics of a mech obvious in visuals

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Maybe like, an aerial support/defender that can carry and deploy teammates like a lanny, but also provides it's sensor and LoS to teammates within it's Sensors

Like, squad vision

But either way if it's SSC it should be called Hercules

After the biggest Moth in the World

[smoky meteor]

Note: It's not confirmed that all three of them are NHPs. And if they are, it's not confirmed that they're all Deimosians either.

(also the Dada's an abstract statue actually)
big The SCENE fan apollo cheese

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I always wanted to make a SCENE homage mech in the form of BEKSINSKI

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picturing like

SSC designing a Jojo Stand

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Heruka is the Jojo Stand mech lol

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There are MULTIPLE enemy stands /lh

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like, A Stand, or Goku
Some super buff anime ass shonen character, TPing in behind the enemy, wailing on them, and dragging all attention in by account of being so big

ALTERNATIVELY. SSC mech that can split itself into 5 drones or some shit.

https://variety.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Voltron-Live-Action-Movie.jpg?w=1000

they would, i know in my heart of hearts SSC would make voltron in a heartbeat

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actually, now that Proxy mentions it, a mech that is only size 3 becasue its projecting a large aura form might actually work really well

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thats called Symbiotic Titan /pos

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ah, so it is

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https://i0.wp.com/butwhytho.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Sym-Bionic_Titan_Inner_But_Why_Tho-e1607889790411.jpg?fit=850%2C443&ssl=1

https://www.wired.com/images_blogs/underwire/images/2009/03/25/symbionic_promo01.jpg

mind you. i can also see SSC making the titan.

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this is an Incredible mech design

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ma8ghmcrQo

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Like, yea, this transformation scene IMO screams SSC size 3 mech, you know?

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Nah, SSC does like weird augment the human body stuff...and tend to look like weird metal gear robots with random limbs sticking out

I'd imagine a Size 3 would look like a literal metal gear with a man sticking out of it

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i think i gotta disagree, SSC doesnt hit metal gear to me.

like yea, the thematics of metal gear, i agree

not the visuals

MG mecha are all way too clunky

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WDYM they literally look like the B&B unit

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I actually had to look up the B&B unit

and man, those designs are about as far from normal MG as I've ever seen

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oh lol its the one game i basically skipped

i remember every attempt at playing that game sucking for me

that would explain why i was confused, whoops

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They also look similar to the Winds of Destruction from Rising, skin suits and tech built around it

but mainly the B&Bs

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maybe, but that's not what the Mechs tend to look like from what I remember

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i dont agree, like, other than the atlas, i dont think SSC looks like those

also, yea, you said the mechs

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Geckos have random human legs

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which, in metal gear, imo, is the titular Metal Gears. you know, the giant robots of mass destruction the series is named for

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Statistically speaking, very few of the mechs in the series actualy look like anything remotely organic

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and, to be fair, i dont think the mech design itself screams SSC? I mean more the concept, of a primarily hardlight hologram formed aorund some frail little machine. some mech that can be both size 1/2 and size 3, and has different layouts or some thing like that, i feel is very SSC vibe in gameplay

to bring the convo back to the actual game mechanics

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Hardlight sounds like HA built it

Actually, HA does have Hardlight tech

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does it?????? i cant think of a single HA Hardlight mech thing /gen

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Big Sal

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lol yea, you right, Sal is so forgetable to me

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It has a Hardlight defense system

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i always forget about that

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Big Sal is big Chad

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i... guess?

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again, Big Sal seems like the Only example, which you're using to define an entire theme and concept

You keep going "All of this is like X, with proof of a single instance out of 20"

anyway, I'm backing off this conversation for now, sorry

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I'm saying, a hardlight mech doesnt sound like SSC, the Corpro about precision, finesse and speed

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....and also the corpro consistently about experimental tech?

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Everyone uses experimental tech

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dude, what.

im disconnecting form this convo

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Horus literally uses tech that doesn't exist
And Harrison Armory literally uses Wundertech to make new warcrimes

SSC specializes in building around the human form

"experimental tech" is really broad and every corp uses it

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leaving it at this since this conversation was bugging me. after that, fully dropping it since its as appropriate to this thread anymore.

Everyone uses experimental tech, sure, but SSC and HORUS most often use reality altering, experimental tech. theyre the experimental tech guys! And well, HORUS isnt a corpro. its a backweb stl file sharing collective.

Harisson's two major reality warping mechs, are both built entirely upon stolen code and stolen tech (Napoleon from goblin, sunzi from goblin and voladores). Sal has a hardlight stuff tho, you are right on that.

Meanwhile, the atlas taps into past lives, black + white witch controls gravity and magnets, deaths head uses precognition, dusk wing projects and creates its projectiles and abilities as hard-projections, metal marks whole thing is bending light to be a better stealth killer, mourning cloak weaponizes blink space, swallotail also bends light and creates projections, and i think emperors vibe is weaponizing energy and electricity/storms (this is one a little unclear, but is the general vibe delivered imo). Monarch is probably their only ""normal mech"", and while SSC specializes in building the human form in flavor, only the atlas really truly reflects it well through and through. id say their perfecting the human form ideals, are more than likely reflected in their other tech in the setting.

so i think seeing the company that has 3 mechs that work with light projections, hard projections/holograms, and interactable illusions, seeing them do a 4th, would probably make sense, was all i was saying.

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I guess there will be no seeing eye to eye

cuz I don't see it

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TY and Sorry Terk

ON size 3 terk mechs

i cant get over the dagon

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Dagon cool

does spooky shit

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The Dagon is sick

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sitting here picturing like, some of minotaur stuff on it, just being able to go and point at someone from across the map and say" attack your ally, NOW"

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I saw it and immediately knew I'd want to use one in a oneshot someday

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by LL6 being able to run a mech with like, what, 5 NHPS is so funny
(Unstable, Enlightment, both from Dagon, and another of choice using the Horus Core that lets you have another AI system)

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I just think Beckoner with Dagon

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"I do not recognize the signals on the scanner"

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i think i saw some really funny synergies with one of my other favorite horus third party mechs

Suldan's Efreet

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isn't that the one covered in eyes in the art?

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yea

here it is

entanglement leash on a Dagon is HILARIOUS

i attack you? from anywhere. i hack you? from anywhere.

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its fantastic

I saw the "if you can see me, then the reverse is true" trait and was blwon away by how creative it was

I've never seen something like that before

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its CP also synergizes amazingly with having an Efreet on team, since Efreet's biggest downside is being a hacker with 5 sensors

so you can just. say. "no, actually, for this combat, we all see everything"

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is pretty good

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also a big fan of mechs that make you go

"oh it cant be that bad ri- wait its size 3?"

".... its. size 3? oh god thats terrifyinh"

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Dagon + Lich gets silly

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If i could have my way i would make it sensor 0 but it affect some systems unexpectedly

Like outside of tech some things deploys in sensor and if 0 then you just dont get to use em

Stemming from the whole knowledge man was not meant to know, you are not meant to know this mech, so you do not want your sensor to touch this mech

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yeah, tho my favorite thing is still Beckoner Teleporting with Dagon

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#_ur also lets you teleport right across the battlefield for that shenaninganf, beckon does swap the backline witch right into the middle of your team for some beatdown

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yeah, Dagon is a bit of a silly mech

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goes hard tho frfr

OH GOD im also thinking about Dagon with this dude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuAnG6LULF0

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Almost all my mechs have some silly aspects to it

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the Rakshasa is also pretty cool

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fun fact Heruka was originally going to be named Rakshasa :P

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every time I see it imagine the Rajs from TDDC but in mecha

these guys

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also, Dagon with Tukhachevsky's Signal Hijack Suite is pure lols

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picturing like
putting Hunger Drivers, 3 Arrows Suite, Dev_A Dagger onto a Dagon

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okay so the Tuhkachesvky license is just plain old Fun in general

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its actually the liscense im most proud of

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i think the Tukhachesvky is one of my partners favorites for the sheer concept of "if i try this password 1 million times itll work eventually" as a mech

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the art matches the Lancer style the most, cohesive themes and easy to understand core fantasy, and it slots into HA hacker well isntead of just being a ball of tech stats w some invade options

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I do love the art for it, its just a big old computer strapped to a chassis almost

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bonus, Rak also gets a thrown spear, so im picturing a Rak/Dagon thats like

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Perfection

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I'm playing a Tukhachevsky right now with the Heatsink and Autocooler and I just like walking up to things and telling them to perish

because I WILL GET THE INVADE

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......... i think the Dagon hit my own systems, this seems about right

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That's a lot of rereads

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you do not recognize the documents on the screen

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also, Dagon with Painted Lady's Datacloak means very consistent Data Lash

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https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

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the lord probably has just as many on my phone

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the Lord is awesome

I hadn't read it until recently (like earlier today)

but its so neato

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I forget, which mech comes next after Dagon in the polls??

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Frundsberg

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damn, really thought it would've been Suleiman

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oooooo

two size 3s back to back

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Frundsberg is the "Creiton doesn't understand physics" meme right?

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nah thats brudenell

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the flavor text on its opening blurb is SO FUNNY to me

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Frundsberg is HA reading all the "Ace Barb with two spear" builds and one of them went "hold on let them cook"

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"god damn lancers... keep trying to make fucking melee builds. you want a melee build? FINE, FINE ILL GIVE YOU A MELEE BUILD. HERE. HAPPY?"

the real meme now, is to make a ranged build for Frundsberg

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guns probably arent viable, but a thrown build 🤔

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its 3 HA bois in a row actually, since after Dagon its Frundsberg, Suleiman and Brudenell in a row

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honestly, i think that makes up for HA only having 1 rn

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I'm excited for Brudenell and Suleiman

mainly Suleiman, because I just really wanna see how orby boi functions

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while we're talking about frames with funny shapes, the dragontail is lit

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its going to be a challenge since they are both general built of the same idea of HA boosting mech that wanna just slam into people

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https://tenor.com/view/sanic-the-hedgehob-running-gotta-go-fast-fast-gif-4964355

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Brudenell being a Kerbal Space Program mech that has too many thrusters attached and minimal steering, while Suleiman is a bowling ball that your allies can just throw at people

[hybrid ledge]

For sure Suleiman needs like a Reaction that lets itself get yeeted when hit by something

you could also make Suleiman boost using ricochet blade rules

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okay did some looking for a "Ranged Frundsberg for the bit"

From Official that gives:
Tactical Knife (Aux), War Pike (Main), Shock Knife (Aux)

And from Terk
Blackjack Cabled Dagger (Main) TH2 Tomahawk (Aux), Sacrificial Spear (Main)
And technically anything using Rail Accelerator

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just become an angry little pinball

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brainstorming the size 3 ssc thing

its still fragile because its SSC but it gets to go Intangible and just ignore that

and being a size 3 with SSC native speed makes it just a terrifying kidnapper that can go intangible, move through walls and people, grabs you and pull you into the shadow realm with it

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oh man, I once had something like this in a dumb brews idea but it was called the Horus Kraken

and yeah, that sounds like a size 3 mech

also, it can pull calendula out of the shadow realm

gotta name yet?

cuz i'm still thinking Hercules sounds cool

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Oka ok ok

Frundsberg LL3 (the frame, unbalancing blow)
Painted Lady 3 (Cabled Dagger, Tomahawk, Rail accelerator)
Heruka 3 (dual fist and ten thousand fists) 
take the talent that buffs thrown aux weapons, take the talent that buffs unarmed strikes

Take Integrated Aux, take mount retrofitting
Main/Aux - Cabled Dagger/Tomahawk
Main + Heavy - Zweihander, its iconic
built in aux - take ANOTHER tomahawk

dual fist whenever you throw shit at people and crit
go wild and just ten thousand fists with everything else if you so please```

is this good probably not but fuck its funny

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honestly, If I was going for so much thrown weapons i'd get more Heruka for Ten thousand Arms

[hardy citrus]

true

honestly wait, for zweihander you can drop nelson

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like, a buddy of mine is going nuts with tomahawks and ten thousand arms

literally can just go forever if you have enough

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Tomahawk is Rat King before Rat King

It went through so many rounds of changes because the original version you can just throw like 30 of them per turn if you space it right and pump agility

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anyway yea this is all the thought im putting into this

taking Frundsberg, a mech made to say "wait no you dont need to build melee barbarossa" and then building it ranged

it makes me giggle

throwing Zweihander is really funny to me

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throwing Tiger-Hunter Sheathes

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Oh god i didnt restrict the rail

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L O L

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You can throw a charged D/D at people

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OH WAIT NO

it says non super heavy i cant read

nevermind

we good

[hybrid ledge]

Isn't it non superheavy

[covert surge]

Crisis averted

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still tiger hunter to perfrom ranged meme grapples

on too many dudes

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okay whats the funniest weapon painted lady can throw

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the tomahawk

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was picturing a frundberg just doing this

https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/27dbbda7-320b-488b-b8cb-6d993296f095/dcz4vvk-24094049-4ef7-4cf6-a662-6324722d7e47.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzI3ZGJiZGE3LTMyMGItNDg4Yi1iOGNiLTZkOTkzMjk2ZjA5NVwvZGN6NHZ2ay0yNDA5NDA0OS00ZWY3LTRjZjYtYTY2Mi02MzI0NzIyZDdlNDcucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.NZKd9OSEL2vTRFCXdCzIXtA9U16h8EOqviwYrRB1I-A

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i'm not joking

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https://tenor.com/view/fisting-lowbobs-gif-21601066

The tomahawk is basically Draven's axe lol

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Painted Lady can throw Torches

thats funny

[hybrid ledge]

there is also White Witch's Ferrofluid Lance

think about that for a second

[hardy citrus]

catch me throwing my nanobot whips 😆