Mechanic Brewery Season 5 Contest

[proven fog]

Or am I just from the past?

troubling thoughts these are.

[median breach]

Batch 1: @desert fulcrum @tawny aurora @sick drum @worthy badge @wind notch

To get eyes on stuff/to do my best to make good use of the fact that Liminal Space got me at least SOME followers on Twitter, I was thinking of posting art/links to documents of the various batches of mechs in the contest so that even people who don't win their batch can get some eyes on their work.

Would you guys be cool with that? To make it easier, I've put together a document to let people fill out the details of their stuff/make it easier for me to post it up there. This is entirely just 'if you're cool with it' though, feel free to say no.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1h48MYVJGUC0CjPbtVdNBKFIq5aoSJ-NuGLDTb1Yec2o/edit?usp=sharing

[desert fulcrum]

Sure, I'd be okay with that

[sick drum]

Go for it! I'd love to have more people see something I made.

[desert fulcrum]

Is the idea that we'd write the links in ourselves?

[median breach]

If it's cool. Sorry, there's a lot of them/not all of these posts have people's twitters/the artist who did the art. XD

[desert fulcrum]

'Cause if so, I can toss my stuff in now

What's the "permission to post" column signify?

[median breach]

It's literally just a 'hey, you are cool with me doing this'

[desert fulcrum]

Gotcha

[median breach]

And yeah, all the batches are there in case anyone from other batches wants to start filling stuff out, I'm just bugging batch 1 since they're...well, the first batch.

[desert fulcrum]

Makes sense

[sick drum]

If there's no artist for the mech, should I just say that?

[median breach]

Yeah, that's fine!

Likewise if you don't have a twitter or such

https://twitter.com/Ikiry0/status/1672783700600422400 Tossed this up on twitter. Decided I wanted to make sure I didn't post it with art of my own entry as that would be poisoning the pot a bit/I've not yet got permission for too many of the actual entries so it got one of the Liminal Space splash pages. XD

Ikiry0 (@Ikiry0)

So @dragonkid112 is doing a Mechanics Brewery Season and there has been a fantastic outpouring this time, nearly 50 designs entered!

If you're interested in seeing some of the fruits of the Homebrew Community for @Lancer_RPG, feel free to turn up to PilotNet and check it out!

Twitter · Jun 25, 2023, 1:48 AM

[spark saddle]

can I still link the artist's account even though the art isn't done yet?

[median breach]

Of course!

[chrome owl]

Oh wow thank you

(I submitted the Gagarin almost at random, it's one of my more recent and less fucked with frames)

[tawny aurora]

big thank you!
sudden compliments are indeed quite nice lol

[tawny aurora]

yeah, definitely! I'll take a look at the doc at least

although, I haven't used Twitter since 2018 lmao, and if I do, I might not really be too active, so I don't have anything to put on that column oof lol

I've filled in as best I can though lmao

[median breach]

That's fine mate!

[royal prawn]

Well, that's my voting in, thought everyone had something interesting to contribute and I'm glad to have been a part of this, regardless of outcome.

[echo sun]

yeah, ditto

[pure grove]

Wait fuck I forgot to submit

Dammit

[tender elbow]

I'm sure there'll be another one in the future.

[alpine tapir]

Someone called my garbage pile of a ERA mech cool, I can die in peace now

[median breach]

Yay!

[tender elbow]

Wait, no, we aren't cheering that on. No dying! 😛

[alpine tapir]

screw you, I am actively imploding

you cant stop me from turning into 0 matter

[tender elbow]

😔

[mellow edge]

We need to fill our spot with info ?

or is it only for people with published supplement ?

[median breach]

Nah, it's for anyone in the contest

[mellow edge]

👍

[median breach]

I expressly didn't want this to be only for people who are already known/trying to make sure as many people as possible get eyes on them.

[mellow edge]

filled 👍

[median breach]

Thanks!

If we don't end up with Entire Brackets filled in, I'll likely post them in Groups of 4 irrespective of brackets so people still get seen XD

[vast pebble]

Funnily enough, it was the Oesberg from Odeon that actually helped the Hector finally 'click' for me, because of the way it used a die to track its points. Before then it was fairly messy, a bit wonky, etc, but after I had that jimmy neutron brain blast after reading it, I was able to just...fix it?
now it's effectively 2 traits and an intergrated weapon that allows it to just...play the battle master archtype.
So..thank you? XD

The Oesberg really is a good egg, takes time to get your head around, but it is fun.

[crystal bay]

Man it's been months since I actually stared at the Vienna with fresh eyes and surprisingly I'm still completely happy with it

I think it's like the only AMI mech I can do that with

[worthy badge]

That's the best type of feeling

I'm browsing through a bunch of KDC mechs, and I'm seeing some places where I can touch 'em up and really finish them.

[median breach]

I'm pretty happy with the Rose but man, it's had like 3-4 full rewrites to get where it is now XD

Huh, I had like 3 entire IF mechs that never made the transition to the final document.

There's already plenty in-company but I should do something with them some time.

[vast pebble]

full rewrites are not uncommon, methinks.

[vocal nova]

ERA mech is definitely one of the ones that makes me wanna give Mechanics Feedback™️, but I probably shouldn't be encouraging people to tweak anything while in the voting phase lol
Very cool tho

[median breach]

Yeah, I've mentioned it before but MOI had a mech that got rewritten so many times it doesn't exist any more as we just went 'stuff it' and cut it from Liminal Space

[vast pebble]

the Merlin XD

[median breach]

Yep! But people seem to like it's replacement, the Nimue more than they ever did the Merlin XD

[vast pebble]

I love the fact it's forever mythologized in the liminal space authors entry XD

Nimue is the one that can feel shifts in time streams, right?

[median breach]

Yep!

[vast pebble]

yee, I remember that one, mainly because of the funny sword.

"I diagnose you with lasers"

[alpine tapir]

It could definetly use tuning, honestly all of the HD frames im working on. But the server im in is kinda overwhelmed with homebrew lately so there aint much feedback.

[median breach]

After this is over, gimme a shout and I'll look over it. I have to agree with Deviljho that 'maybe not during the voting phase' but happy to help once that's over.

[vast pebble]

TBH, that'd be fun. Giving feedback on all the frames submitted.
Granted, that'd take...a while, but I'd probably have fun doing it, cos I'm weird.

[alpine tapir]

Thanks, of course I aint gonna change anything during voting, even then the Lithium is technically done, the first HD mech I made too at that. Hasn't really been changed much since then, mainly just small tweaks in the fluff

If you want I could show you one of the other ones, like the Arsenic, that one could definetly need some tuning due to it's kinda unique design

[median breach]

Sure thing! Toss it into Homebrew Design and @ me!

I do hope the Rose looks decent. I worried a lot about which of the IF mechs to include because I wanted one that was representitive of the company's general 'vibe' but I worry it was one of the less exciting ones XD

[velvet oasis]

What is Olm?

[median breach]

I actually know this one! An Olm is an Salamander type!

Water-dwelling lizard

[velvet oasis]

I mean, homebrew mech? No manufacturer name?

[median breach]

That one I can't tell you, I didn't install the LCP for it.

[vocal nova]

@me as well, please!

[median breach]

#1119416630489923594 message It's here.

[alpine tapir]

just did

[tawny maple]

Ah shoot I missed the voting starting

I’ve still got time though

[median breach]

Yeah, the voting goes on for a full week, you're good.

[tawny maple]

Nice

The results are private right?

I won’t see the numbers until the voting is over and winners are decided?

[median breach]

Yeah.

[mellow edge]

@median breach

[median breach]

I have no clue! It's Dragonkid's thing, I'm just around 😛

[mellow edge]

fair enough

^^

@cyan aurora

[cyan aurora]

don't ask me either, ask google for making this thing

also, I do not know how this form looks like from the voter side

[mellow edge]

ah

[median breach]

Oh well, it'll work out. Worst comes to worst DK just picks the ones they prefer and tells us we voted for it. XD

[tawny maple]

Alright good to know

[mellow edge]

lmao

[velvet oasis]

Damn block 4 is hard for me. Raphaelite or Ivan

[mellow edge]

you can still change the parameters if you open the form from google form, go the parameters, and modify the boxes under "answers".
tho I don't know if that reset the form or if it keeps the previous answers.

works for me 👍

I can delete to pretend it never happen ?

[cyan aurora]

okay look, that's the reason why I don't go into details on this

[mellow edge]

which is fair

(as for the IP, i'm under VPN 24/7 so ^^")

[median breach]

More than fair mate.

Hey Melon, mind if I delete this, just so it's a little more on the subtle end? XD

[mellow edge]

go for it

👍

[velvet oasis]

Is connecting your gmail that much of a pain?

[mellow edge]

never trust corpos

[velvet oasis]

Understood

[median breach]

No @mellow edge @cyan aurora, we'll just keep that our secret. Better Safe Than Sorry. XD

[mellow edge]

[mellow edge]

I would have deleted if you hadn't tbh ^^

[median breach]

But to change the topic: Does anyone have any fun stories about stuff that happened when developing their stuff for this?

[mellow edge]

yea

I've hidden a bunch of pun/references in fruitco mechs

[velvet oasis]

Fruitco looks fun

[median breach]

I am relentless when it comes to Stupid Jokes In My Work XD

[mellow edge]

so I had to scour a bunch of wikipedia articles in ungodly hours of the night to find inspiration

[median breach]

Also: 2 different IF mechs are based on Cu.

The Rose and the Clover are both based on him. One him as the feyborn grand hero, one him as a terrifying monster that can rip things limb from limb.

[velvet oasis]

Ah, the Rose is cool. What were the inspirations for it?

[median breach]

It's got a few but the core of is the Tuatha De Danann from Celtic Mythology.

IF's general theme is 'Fey but more in their role as epic demigods than how RPGs tend to treat them as just Trickster Nature Spirits'

[median breach]

The Cŵn Annwn for example are named after the Hunting Hounds of a Welsh King of the Fey, Annwn

You can tell because it refuses to have vowels.

[mellow edge]

For the Banana, I was wondering what weapon to put on it
which lead me to understand the threat to banana kind and how all the banana in the world are just clones made in labs in order to resist a certain parasite -> The fusarium. I had to study the creation of the Cavendish, then why the Cavendish is on the verge of death because a new strand of the fusarium evolved to eat it. on so on.
Which lead to me making nexus weapon that eat nerves.

and that's just one example

[velvet oasis]

Always love biology knowledge

[median breach]

A bit of a mechanical thing and something that I wanted to go across in various IF mechs is that a big part of celtic stories of heroes is how that hero dies. So most of the IF Mechs (Including the Rose) have some element of risk to them.

They often pair 'if this works, it's fantastic' with 'I might faceplant trying'

With Solstice Knight having a chance to fail and Dancing Shadow being 'DOUBLE OR NOTHING!' on your Brace.

[velvet oasis]

Medb NHP is interesting. What is that quote?

[median breach]

It's a slight paraphrasing of Medb's wedding request from the stories of her. She's a much more complicated character than many depictions of her treat her.

[velvet oasis]

Yeah, sounds like an interesting character

[median breach]

She was CONTENT WARNING: Sexual Assault ||Abused and Raped|| by the king of Ulster, Conchobar, while he was her hushand. So she divorced him and spent her life trying to get vengeance for what he did.

[velvet oasis]

The nhp's effect is cool, even if it doesn't appeal to my taste for esoteric or devastating status

[median breach]

She's often treated as a bad guy because she's an enemy of Cu and to be fair: She's also a bit of a tool herself but Cu is also actively defending Ulster from her and...well, see her issue with the King of Ulster above.

Her attempts at getting justice also have one of my favorite 'I know what story I'm in' moments in mythology.

Medb and Ailill had seven sons, all called Maine. They originally all had other names, but when Medb asked a druid which of her sons would kill Conchobar, he replied, "Maine". She did not have a son called Maine, so she renamed all her sons.

Oh, found it. Moid did some art for Medb

[velvet oasis]

You know, the content warning seems equivalent to the spoilers but it does have a lesser impact to read. Fortunate and helpful.

Medb's story does seem cool. What is up with the cheese thing?

[median breach]

This is a bit of a thing in Irish Mythology. A lot of RPGs treat a Geas like Mind Control or such but in Irish Mythology a Geas is basicly 'You have agreed to a limitation and as long as you hold your part of the deal, fate will smile on you'.

Cu for example could not Break Hospitality or Eat Dogs (Since his name literally means Hound).

But when he broke his Geas (He was offered dog meat by his host, giving him no successful option to avoid breaking one of them), fate revoked its protection.

And conspired to get him killed.

Medb and Cheese is another such thing. As long as she avoided cheese, she was safe.

But this sorta goes to a big part of Irish Mythology that often gets overlook @velvet oasis. Everyone is trying to powergame the system.

People will try to abuse these agreements and destiny relentlessly.

[velvet oasis]

Ah, rules lawyers

[median breach]

Yep!

A lot of downfalls come from 'someone outsmarted you and put you in the situation you were fated to die in that you'd been avoiding until now'

[velvet oasis]

Hmm, ancient Irish speedrunners, perhaps?

[median breach]

Medb won't eat the cheese? Well, the CHEESE WILL GO TO MEDB.

[median breach]

Honestly, not far off. To give a crazy good example? Cu's death. The person who delivered the killing blow on him turned up with 3 spears spelled to kill royalty perfectly when thrown.

Cu avoids two of them by rules lawyering.

The first kills his Chariot Driver because he was the 'king of charioteers' due to his skill.

The second kills his horse as 'the king of all horses'

By the third, Cu has run out of things to rules lawyer and gets hit himself 😛

[velvet oasis]

Just contact with cheese? Or was it shot into her mouth?

[median breach]

Honestly, not really covered.

But yeah, I'm a bit of a celtic mythology nutter and it shows in IF XD

[velvet oasis]

Would be funny. Biggest assassin being someone who shoots food into people's mouths to break geasa.

[median breach]

But yeah, sorry for rambling a bit XD

[cyan aurora]

I still find it very funny that Fate Stay Night basically just turned what killed Cu in the mythology into his own fate defying spear

and then he get stabbed by it in one of the route

couldn't escape his fate

[median breach]

So, funny thing: It's not actually his spear but that effect? It's an actual mythological spear in Celtic Mythology

[cyan aurora]

there sure is a lot of spear in Celtic Mythology huh?

[median breach]

Yep! Didn't get included with the Rose but since IF is Celtic Mythology inspired, I included a couple of them as Exotic Toys.

[median breach]

Lugh obtained the Spear of Assal (Irish: Gae Assail) as fine (éric) imposed on the children of Tuirill Piccreo (or Biccreo), according to the short account in Lebor Gabála Érenn which adds that the incantation "Ibar (Yew)" made the cast always hit its mark, and "Athibar (Re-Yew)" caused the spear to return.

Here we go. Gae Assail. Literally what Fate Gae Bolg does.

[cyan aurora]

meanwhile the actual Gae Bolg is just sitting here being sad

[median breach]

In a full narrative version called Aoidhe Chloinne Tuireann (The Fate of the Children of Tuireann), from copies no earlier than the 17th century, Lugh demands the spear named Ar-éadbair or Areadbhair which belonged to Pisear, king of Persia. Areadbhair's tip had to be kept immersed in a pot of water to keep it from igniting, a property similar to the Lúin of Celtchar. This spear is also called "Slaughterer" in translation.

Lugh, Please Stop. You've got Enough Magic Spears.

[cyan aurora]

but I guess it's a bit too hard for Saber to dodge that instantly turn into an entire tree worth of blade attack

[median breach]

Squire adds that Lugh's spear which needed no wielding was alive and thirsted so for blood that only by steeping its head in a sleeping-draught of pounded fresh poppy leaves could it be kept at rest

Seriously Lugh, you don't need more magic spears

[mellow edge]

wrong

you always need more magic spears

[vast pebble]

Magic spears are under represented. Fuck magic swords.

[cyan aurora]

half of these spears seem like they need to keep resting at nice places like a bunch of ultra lethal puppies when not being used

[median breach]

I'll also note: These are literally also the same methods they used to calm cu down.

They treat him like he's a spear.

[cyan aurora]

LMAO

[median breach]

Active (Requires Core Power): Ender of Armies
Quick Action
Choose one hostile character in Range 10, ignoring line of sight. The Spear of Flame lashes out across a Line 8 area from the chosen character. Hostile characters in the affected area aside from the chosen character must pass an agility save or suffer 3 Burn. The chosen character suffers 3 Burn and 3 kinetic damage that cannot be reduced in any way for each character in the affected area, including itself.

The affected area is set ablaze with the spears passage for the rest of the scene. When a hostile character passes through the affected area or ends their turn within it, they suffer 3 Burn.

With the IF Exotics, I ended up combining Lugh's various spears (Flaming, Never Misses, Kills Entire Armies) into a single exotic weapon that gives you a new way to spend core power. XD

Because I couldn't do one for every single spear.

[mellow edge]

you yeet the man in the distance?

[vast pebble]

Give us the extended spear cut.

[median breach]

'Pages 1-8: Spears. Page 9: Non-Spears'

[cyan aurora]

Spears DLC

[mellow edge]

what's your favorite type of spear ?

I'm a Partizan fan

[crystal bay]

tackle

[median breach]

It's basic but I am very much a fan of Gae Bolg and it's actual trick of turning people into (To quote OSP) 'A rosebush with skin'

[cyan aurora]

kinda remind me of nanowire weapon in WH40K, which leaves similar result

[worthy badge]

Ah yes, the harlequin's kiss. The soup maker

[median breach]

Pretty much, it's a horrifying effect and I can 100% understand why they went with Gae Assail's effect instead in FATE XD

[royal prawn]

The only magic spears I'll ever want are in the Ace Combat 7 soundtrack.

[royal prawn]

I suppose my answer to this is one of my longer playtests of the Komainu was with a group of friends who had also inspired its NHP in an entirely separate campaign. I do find it enjoyable to call back to previous shared tabletop experiences when I get the chance.

[vast pebble]

I am a billhook enjoyer.

[median breach]

That's fun, I'm very prone to putting refrences to old games in my stuff. (Like 90% of the named characters in quotes in my work are characters from games I was in)

[vast pebble]

The Hectors lore was written entirely within the span of 4 hours from 11PM to 3AM. I had no idea what it was even supposed to be at first.
Then it came to me while I was reading the Prince by machiaveli, specifically a passage about how a ruler who conquers a foreign nation should make their presence fully known within it and stuff, then it hit me.

[worthy badge]

The No Guts, No Glory for the Horemheb was wholly inspired by song I was fixating on at time, of the same name. It only took a bit of iteration before something workable came to be.

[velvet oasis]

Oh, the genco water. I don't quite get the lore. Does tge maker come from a world tgat heavily uses simulations or something?

[median breach]

Okay, so @marsh loom has rambled about them to me before so I have some understanding: Basicly GenCo is from a world that's very big on augmented reality to such a degree that most people go their entire life without ever not being in an area covered in it.

So a big part of GenCo's themes are 'What is real...and what value does 'real' have?'

[velvet oasis]

Oh thanks

[median breach]

Vox can explain it better than me but that's the quick overview. XD

[tawny aurora]

Perfect! A topic I can contribute lmao

My submission contenders were between the Valjean, and another mech called the Moriarty

Both of em had the most interesting mechanics that were also relatively elegantly implemented, but only the val was license complete, just had no lore yet

And I realized, hey why don't I make some of the fluff text into just lyrics from Les Miserables itself, but with different words?
And also copying a bit of Kobold's lore and here we are lol

[mellow edge]

Does the Valjean share an eternal rivalry with a mech called Javert ?

:p

[marsh loom]

Yes! As Iki said, AR tech is so common that there's an unspoken understanding that one doesn't talk about the real reality. Like, someone has to look at it, sure, but it's...gauche. Originally they favored virtual reality over augmented reality but the rise of the godhead sorta poleaxed that development in half given the whole 'no becoming a digital god' thing

Union parapsychologists try to avoid thinking about the other theory: that no one is looking at the real reality, because no one has to. That the reality of reality was never its most important trait.```

[cobalt dagger]

I'm a big fan of the fluff for GEN-CO tbh

[mellow edge]

GEN-CO water is fren shape

[median breach]

(Being in the same bracket as GEN-CO is genuinely terrifying for me, as it's fluff is REALLY good and I'm 90% sure the Water has this one in the bag XD)

[marsh loom]

As a contrasting example to the WATER lemme talk a bit about the WIND

It had a fucking XP bar, you know that? Right above its head. A little black bar with white pips. It pulled these swords out of, out of fucking nowhere, out of everywhere, it pulled these empty handles and then there were just swords and Brad was dead, and Vickie was dead, and every time someone fucking died that bar got another pip. It made a sound. Like a fucking 1-UP, you hear me?

So I get out in my BLACKBEARD and it puts a handle on that fucking bar and starts hacking my rig open with it.”```

[mellow edge]

All of the GEN-CO frames were living in harmony. But everything changed when the GEN-CO FIRE attacked

[marsh loom]

Where WATER relies on "solid reality" tech as an internal critique from an old and bitter genizen, the WIND is fully committed to phantasmachy; it's a terror weapon

[cobalt dagger]

Yeah, Rose and Artemis were pretty cool but I basically insta-voted for Water

[marsh loom]

Most of them are terror weapons

[median breach]

I figured ;-;

😛

[marsh loom]

Awww ^_^ 'm flattered!

[median breach]

I should have sent in the Lily XD

[marsh loom]

You can bring your strongest flowers but you know that love is stored in the necromancer

[median breach]

Funny thing: For a while, IF had a Necromancer (The Striga) but I wasn't happy with the mechanics so it ended up scrapped XD

[mellow edge]

that's the one that can rocket jump ?

[median breach]

Yep!

[mellow edge]

[mellow edge]

does it come with a Rick May NHP

[median breach]

“Gloriosa” Scattergun
Heavy CQB, Smart, 1 SP
[8 Range, 3 Threat] [1d6+4 Explosive Damage]
On Hit: If the target has flown or teleported before this attack since the start of their last turn, this hit becomes a critical hit.

This weapon can Overwatch characters teleporting or involuntarily moving, even though that would not normally provoke reactions, as long as the source of the movement is the target or a character allied to it.

“If Aun had wanted you to live, he would not have created me!” -Aoife, IF Test Pilot

No but it does come with a Reserve Shooter 😛

[mellow edge]

nice

[velvet oasis]

The Rose could've had a chance with me, but I forgot it was in that block

[tawny aurora]

Lmao,

But now that you say that, I got an idea of making a manufacturer of mechs that are just rivals of each other

I dunno how the theming or mechanics woupd go, but it sounds sick lol

[velvet oasis]

Is there any Lain inspiration in gen-co?

[mellow edge]

it would be easier to make two companies that each other and just make mechs that piss on the other side

like, company 1 makes a melee fighter
so company 2 makes a sniper to kill the melee fighter easily
so company 1 makes an infiltrator to kill the sniper easily
so company 2 makes a radar to kill the infiltrator easily
etc etc

and at some point

they make a melee fighter to beat whatever was before

ending the cycle

and creating a giant game of galactic mech rock-paper-scissors warfare

[marsh loom]

Not consciously. Due to a terminal case of The Dumb on my part I keep meaning to watch Lain and then forgetting to

So I've yet to see it t_t

[mellow edge]

So you don't seem to understand

:p

[vast pebble]

It's fun, if a little trippy. I highly recommend it.

[tawny aurora]

LMAO thatd be fun
Ive recently taken to reading different Lancer homebrew for its fluff, like how I read SCP articles
Particularly the Oblex and Ammit were fun,

So Ive thought about manufacturers and homebrew that are created solely for the fluff instead of the mechanics, like, other way around from standard practice lol, but so things wont be balanced

[median breach]

Actually: Speaking of fluff. I actually just finished a big revision of the basicly 'Intro Myth For Milisea' (The planet that Ironleaf Foundry is from) if people are interested in taking a look.

[mellow edge]

not sure 'fun' is the right term given that it's under the 'drama' and 'psychological' tags, but it's well written and enjoyable to watch yes

[median breach]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kRmacWvJnzdxtQQYe_0LxOa9O9aX_BTuDrU_4UPSmG4/edit?usp=sharing Tried to make it sound more like an actual...Myth...than just a history book, since it's set a LONG time before the present (Firstcomm ended like 2000 years ago in Lancer).

[mellow edge]

also, just checked

@marsh loom @vast pebble Gen-co made Lain confirmed

:p

[marsh loom]

@plush sluice

[mellow edge]

it's all coming together

[velvet oasis]

Oh, cool and touching

[median breach]

Yay!

[proven fog]

I am very suprised you didn't submit the lilly.

It's the first of IF and very eye catching.

[velvet oasis]

What is the Lily like?

[tawny aurora]

I think the rocket jump one

[median breach]

Grenadier frame that can get free movement when it's in AOEs

[cobalt dagger]

ROMKET JÖMP

[median breach]

Posted the art here

[vast pebble]

My definition of fun is anything that can keep my attention for its full duration these days 😅

[plush sluice]

Ha, they're getting sneaky in their plan for world domination

(equalling to market domination)

[mellow edge]

diabolical

[marsh loom]

NGL I have a hard time envisioning it given what IF has become

Necromancers don't get to dab on the battalion they defeated while yelling 'skill issue' over open comms

[vast pebble]

Damn it, the more I look at my frame the less I'm happy with it

[cobalt dagger]

[vocal nova]

I spent so much time on wikipedia finding things from indian myth to reference for Rakshasa that it overflowed and I ended up making an entire second mech full of more of them lol

[vocal nova]

Strictly speaking, the fate version does the "spreading thorns" thing too. they're just like, ghost thorns, but you can see them if you look in the scene where cu gets stabbed. Also it needs to actually hit proper, which it ironically almost never does.

[valid raven]

where?

[vocal nova]

IF Necromancer frame be like well I can comprehend these manmade horrors perfectly fine so idk maybe you have a skill issue or something

[vocal nova]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kOeiE9H2Hyz6rKZJDYzU2i4_pMOVFBiG1NjN2j0kiYk/edit?usp=sharing

this here the Vrita, which has its trait names be like, 90% references by volume

it's flavor isn't entirely complete, which is why I didn't consider it for the brewery contest, but I love this fucked up laser snake

[chrome owl]

The only really ‘funny’ thing I did was while finding a name for the Gagarin. It’s a mech that ‘paints’ targets for its artillery friends, and Gagarin was a Russian military commander also known for having a very close friendship with and being a painter.

[vocal nova]

wait is this Yuri Gagarin or a different Gagarin who paints?

[chrome owl]

Different

Definitely not that guy, my Gagarin is from the Pike & Shot age

I think

[bleak flare]

I didn't know there was a competition going on until I was almost done with the Powder Monkey. 💀

Someone mentioned it in HB chat for another reason and that was the first time I found out this was going on

[mellow edge]

mood
indian myths, and asian myths in general, have so many cool things that can be translated into mechs.

I spent so long reading articles on them when doing the Buddha's Hand

(which is a species of lemon btw)

[chrome owl]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigory_Gagarin

[mellow edge]

so I had a multi-arms lemon, and an easy tangent jump thanks to its name to get inspiration from multi-limbs entity in Asian myths

[bleak flare]

Also the name "Powder Monkey" was a fun one to come up with. Foundry Delta's naming convention is for some reason military history themed and starting with the letter P. Some other mechs include the Privateer, Phalanx, and Peltast.

[mellow edge]

battle yoga mech

[vocal nova]

sick

[mellow edge]

its most powerful trait

[bleak flare]

Needs a nerf tbh

[vast pebble]

looks handy.

[vocal nova]

I do not recognize that symbol tbh

[tender elbow]

Y'all and your detailed everything, and then here I am with basically "it came to me in a dream" for most of the stuff. XP

[mellow edge]

it's the OM symbol

[vocal nova]

okay like, to be fair

[vast pebble]

🗞️ Homebrew is not a competition 🤗

[vocal nova]

that sounds way more convenient than my OCD need for things to be secret lore references, Data

[vast pebble]

That, and Iridia has been a good read thus far.

[bleak flare]

I just wanted to throw bombs at everything. The rest came as a result of that :P

[vast pebble]

Unironically, I wasn't expecting the quality in it.

[vast pebble]

You'd like the David mech I'm working on then.

[bleak flare]

Moar bombs? 👀

[vast pebble]

It has 2 fun things:

A grenade printer as an LL3 option
A sling it can put grenades into, so it can huck at other fuckers.

[mellow edge]

Yes :p

[tender elbow]

I'm just always impressed when people can put in jokes and references to their stuff.

[chrome owl]

I mean you say that while in the thread that is fundamentally competitive XD

[tender elbow]

The closest I've come to that has been sneaking in in-jokes from the playtesting campaigns. 😛

[vast pebble]

Because I have accepted I have already lost
I am at peace☮️

[chrome owl]

pfff

[tender elbow]

They said that because it's something I said earlier. 😛

[chrome owl]

lmao fair

[mellow edge]

Psy has transcended the notion of competition

he has chosen peace

[chrome owl]

But will they be cut by the maybe sword

[vast pebble]

I don't compete unless I know I can win, or, I have no intention of winning.

It's the same reason I don't gamble.

I want to win, but getting the Hector done was kinda...proof to myself I could hit a deadline.

[vocal nova]

"Why would I tell you about the competition if there was ever a chance of you beating me? I won 30 minutes ago."

[bleak flare]

Lol

[mellow edge]

LostDeviljho out there, 3 paralell universe ahead of us

[vast pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-vs-hiyaa-parallel-universe-super-mario-gif-16136123

[velvet oasis]

How do you expect to outcompete me

When I already lost

Won*

[vast pebble]

You underestimate my capacity for failure.

In all seriousness, I wouldn't mind losing to the AGNEYASTRA. It's a damn good mech.

Who wouldn't you mind beating you out in your own bracket?

[chrome owl]

Either the ghoul or the lithium

both are very conceptually strong

[vocal nova]

Agneyastra is very cool (and gets points for sick India drip), but I had to vote for Loza on that one because I helped Tabac make that thing

[velvet oasis]

Agneyastra is cool

[vocal nova]

(very much his mech tho, rather than mine like Rakky is)

[chrome owl]

I do of course hope I win

But like if the Ghoul or Lithium does I'd be fine with that

[vast pebble]

noooo, how could you betray me ||jk, jk||

[vocal nova]

honestly in block 5 is Rakshasa loses out I hope Squamish wins

[chrome owl]

?

We're not in the same block lmao

[vast pebble]

damn it the message loaded late.

it was for devil XD

[chrome owl]

Ah

[tawny aurora]

I think I'd be good losing to Lycanthrope in my block, I kinda like its style and its gameplay loop

[vocal nova]

tbh I considered voting for Ghoul over Gagarin

[chrome owl]

A respectable decision lol

[little ore]

Nobody's gonna lose, because 11DK's gonna pull some anime bullshit and announce at the end that everone won and makes all 43 Mechanic Brewery videos

[vocal nova]

but it being an alt frame set it at a starting penalty of 5

[chrome owl]

Yeah I think alts probably have a harder job winning

[vocal nova]

This is, in fact, why I think season 6 Brewery needs weight classes

[chrome owl]

Cuz perceptually it's 'less'

[vocal nova]

yeah

[chrome owl]

In terms of development

[vocal nova]

the alts in here are all very cool

[chrome owl]

(This is bullshit tho, alts either come together in seconds or take five billion goddamn years)

[velvet oasis]

Well, cerberus is cool enough in concept

[mellow edge]

I'd be completely fine with the Haber and quetzalpapalotl beating me. They are very cool mechs.
I'd be a bit miffed to lose to the Theseus since it's an alt-frame, but it's based on everyone's opinion so I can't do anything about it 🙃

[vocal nova]

but just in raw volume of new cool thing, they have to fight a lot harder to compete with something with a full-ass license backing it up

[vocal nova]

lord don't I know it

[vast pebble]

TBH, i voted for the reaper dart, because it's so fucking fun.

[chrome owl]

I think if I submitted the current versions of the Archduke or the Castle Rock I'd be a lot more confident

Cuz those have years of being rotated in my brain and are my strongest concepts

[vocal nova]

I suggested Castle Rock since it's the one that always stick in my head as the Rhi mech

[chrome owl]

Awww, thanks

[vocal nova]

well, that and Bonny

but, Bonny's an alt, so

[chrome owl]

It's the mech my main OC pilots too

I'm glad you convinced me to make it one tho lmao

[tawny aurora]

there is a non 0 chance that dk pulls shenanigans with the alt frames since they would generally take less time to cover in a video than a full license (depending on their complexity), no holding breath, but it's a possible!

[chrome owl]

I am currently in Emperor Alt Hell

[tawny aurora]

also yeah, the Valjean was originally its own license as it is now, but I considered making it a Zheng Alt for a bit when thinking of submitting to here

[vocal nova]

I gave up on making Emp/WW alts tbh

[echo sun]

There's no real references (beyond to myself lmao) in The Scene stuff but funny flavor text is great on occasion

[valid raven]

i've said this before, i'll say it again

i would rather the Komainu win than the Ammit

[vocal nova]

like they were on the options list for one of my projects to make an alt of, but then I went "yeah no that'll be hell if I don't having an amazing spark of genius"

then I went and turned Dusk Wing into a storm trooper

[vast pebble]

What did you name the spear in the end?

[valid raven]

is kidd on the table?

[chrome owl]

It no longer has one <XD

[vast pebble]

NOOOOOOO

The partisan of alms was a good name too

[chrome owl]

I'm moving in a non-striker direction

That being said, I may do some sort of alms mechanic

[vast pebble]

But-but, rhi, you are striker brained! how is this possible.

[chrome owl]

barely half my mechs are strikers

and most of that half are secondary type strikers xD

[echo sun]

which Raphaelite has the most of because half of said fluff is two people dicking around with the cool new toy

[tender elbow]

Kidd's an interesting frame to make an alt of. I just finished doing that, in fact.

[unborn verge]

Appreciate the compliment!

[echo sun]

Controller frame gang 🤝

[valid raven]

homebrewers are statistically more likely than the general lacer population to be controller brained

purely because of the mindest that leads you to homebrew

[vast pebble]

uh....most of my frames are strikers XD

[proven fog]

Thanks ever so much friend! But credit where credit is due, I largely used the Kid's mechanics as inspiration and then tweaked it's effects to make it more generalist. Figured the 4-legged drone boi shouldn't be the only one to enjoy a system that ramps up over the course of combat. The development of the Oseberg was also an awesome teaching experience for me as when playtested I learned a lot about how combat shakes out over the course of combat and the general flow and structure of combat as it progresses over the course of several rounds. This in turn let me tweak the starting point of the Oseberg's ramp up mechanics such that it was more likely that players would be able to benefit from it more significantly than they would otherwise.

In short, this is why the Mania dies starts at a value other than 1.

but yeah, Oseberg has been my most playtested frame and no two player builds have been the same which I love but all of them hook into the Mania mechanics in different ways.

but to respond to your inital point, happy to help! Even though I did just use the Kidd's mechanics as a big old launching board.

[vast pebble]

Musashi: close range support striker who inspires people by hitting really, really hard.
david: the grenade tossing dick who specializes in making people take saves in AoEs, but is mainly just there to blow people up
Hector: Field marshal that manipulates the positions of people within its threat to a degree.
The tobio: a mech that makes failing saves even more of a punishment for everyone around it that it hates.
The Mogen: a massive size 4 big boy that likes to take hits for its allies, and then, promptly, smash its opponents so goddamn hard it leaves a red smear on the floor.

etc

[vast pebble]

damn, behind the scenes lore! Very nice.

[valid raven]

yoooo

דוד המלך frame

[unborn verge]

My controller effects are incidentally tacked onto dealing a metric ton of damage, I assure you

[vast pebble]

yee, he is big jewish boy 😌

Inspired by the legend of the jewish golem, no less.

that, and uh...

https://tenor.com/view/gigantor-robot-anime-retro-black-and-white-gif-15266622

this boi.

tetsujin 28, the very first mecha.

He has strong big dick energy.

[proven fog]

I don't have any funy moments per se, but during play testing of the Grave Hopper due to the way the frame is set up many of my players were drawn towards absolutely juicing it's singular Main/Aux mount to make something of a untouchable terror. But they always found themselves in hot water sooner or later (mostly by design as this was explicitly a stress test for the frame not necessarily due to bad play). And for almost every single playtest the Grave Hopper rolled system trauma on their first structure and lost their only mount. This was eventually recognized as "the curse of the one mount Grave Hopper" and was a running joke whenever I or one of the veterans of the server saw it.

Shout outs to @patent sleet for being one of my only GH players to break the curse on account of them running it as a pure backline support. Really showing their "Swallotail main" energy.

[proven fog]

🗞️

No frame is perfect. Please include flaws in your frames so the GM actually has something to work with when fighting them.

[vast pebble]

Oh, my stocks are up 3%

[proven fog]

must be nice cries in unrealized losses

[vast pebble]

It was mainly in relation to its infinite overwatch trait. I realized that it being able to choose which overwatches deal full, half, or no damage would be way more interesting than being forced to deal full damage on the first one every time.

[unborn verge]

the boys and I putting the knockback gun on the frame with infinite overwatch that can deal no damage

(pinball time)

[proven fog]

Unironically, based.

[vast pebble]

That's the literal intention XD
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19sg7_TVH-MAUSPpA2zMDv9G0gCtn9IPE/view?usp=sharing

It literally encourages you to play pinball with your opponents over anything else.

And it has a superheavy that you wanna fire at people clustered together, which is why its the LL3.

...OH NO

I just realized i have vaguely referenced the moskva ship and how it became a cultureal heritage site to the ukranians with the Hector.

[proven fog]

Loza is good can confirm. Straightforward Heat mechanics and brings more tech options to HA.

[chrome owl]

Oh oof

[vocal nova]

oh shit a Loza fan?

[proven fog]

When I saw that I was in the same block in the Loza I was like "Fuck. Well there's some competition right there".

[vast pebble]

I didn't vote for the Loza because I wasn't really a fan of its mechanics. It's neat, but it's not what I was invested in.

[vocal nova]

man I need to ping @unkempt pagoda, he's convinced they're entirely theoretical, like dark matter or bigfoot

[proven fog]

If playtesting has taught me anything litteraly anything it's that Reactor crimes are crack for power gamers.

[unkempt pagoda]

What

[vocal nova]

I found a Loza fan!

[unborn verge]

Two Loza fans (I also voted for it)

[unkempt pagoda]

Pull the other one it has bells on

[unborn verge]

also, as a physicist, I'm entitled to shake you dramatically while talking about gravitational lensing for this comment

[patent sleet]

Yeah this truly was a running gag for a while, but also in fairness, I was just trying to play off of the frame's strengths rather than trying to make it something it was not, which nobody else was really doing

[proven fog]

It's game plan does have many many hooks related to small amounts of manageble self heat and the neato tools to ride the danger zone line.
but most certainly not for everyone.

[patent sleet]

I was pretty often the Odeon Control Group for "this is how it's intended to run" rather than brewing crazy off-the-wall shit with the frames and their systems x3

[unkempt pagoda]

Also @vocal nova go the fuck to sleep you need to run playtest in 8hr

[proven fog]

and God Bless you for it. Always remember you running Icarus fall so effectively.

[vast pebble]

That's kinda why I wasn't really invested, if that makes sense. I get why it is the way it is, but the end result just feels like I...don't really need to worry about heat management anywhere near as much as a result? I just need to worry about not taking too much, and I'm pretty much safe from stress

[tender elbow]

I sure always had one person who wanted to run all my frames as a Defender. Except for the defenders. That was a trip. 😛

[echo sun]

defenders are fun I do not blame them

[vast pebble]

cough Ru cough cough

[echo sun]

yeah that's who I figured it was

[tender elbow]

I wasn't going to name names here, but...

[vocal nova]

I need more people who can look at my frames and instantly come up with some deranged off the wall build

[vast pebble]

You name drop her in the opening paragraph of the field guide XD

[unkempt pagoda]

Playtesting actually revealed it was the reverse: the tight heatcap meant that people couldn't stay in the Danger Zone and operate all its high heat gimmicks

[void palm]

the person playtesting the squamish rn is playing it as a sniper, which is,,,, actually working out somehow lmao

DataMoth, Sapphic Mechwright ↩️

[Reply to:](#1119416630489923594 message) I sure always had one person who wanted to run all my frames as a Defender. Except for the defenders…

[vocal nova]

all my playtesters end up running pretty similar to eachother

[void palm]

close range nexus slinger? i know just the weapon! amr!!!

[vocal nova]

which on one hand it's nice to know the mech's gameplan is clear and attractive

[tender elbow]

Yes. 😛

[echo sun]

running playtests with the Raphaelite is gonna be interesting because I don't actually know how I'd build it

[chrome owl]

Not knowing how you'd build your own designs is a very strange idea to me lmao

[tender elbow]

I had to clarify that Narcissus was her chosen (and proud) callsign in that blurb, because I didn't want people thinking I was insulting her. XD

[vocal nova]

on the other, how can I know if it accidentally explodes the game as an artillery if no one runs it as an artillery?

[chrome owl]

I know exactly how I'd build all my designs

[echo sun]

I make a license for the frame to take, of course
But past LL3? Who fuckin knows

[vast pebble]

That's genuinely surprising to me. Like, I can easily see a playstyle or two wherein you just kinda...use 2 heat weapons and constantly feather the heatcap to ensure that it's always going well, but then again, that's my theoretical, not the actual field test result.

[vocal nova]

(Rakshasa will probably not accidentally explode the game as an artillery, probably. But I don't know.)

[chrome owl]

If I playtest the Castle Rock and none of my players put the Siege Cannon on it I will be disappointed

[proven fog]

True. Though with the "assumed" structure of combat in Lancer being ~6 rounds and with the 1/turn restrictions being present on the reduction it is a very constrained heat reduction. more of a controlled bleed. Not to mention that with a base heat cap of 6 (one of the Lowest in HA's roster) it does really have to play it safe in some cases.

Tabac sorta already touched on this above but yeah. It takes a while for me to organize thoughts and words in a coherent structure and even longer to translate them into a coherent sentence structure that conveys those thoughts.

[chrome owl]

I am 100% serious, it's one of the optimal ways you can build the Rock

[vocal nova]

yeah Loza very specifically does not have great heat cap because of the mitigation

and gradual heat bleed =/= having that in actual heat cap

[proven fog]

The fact that the Loza's heat reduction die resets on stabalize was a "oh wow that's strong" but then I realized it's 1/turn on a d6 in a, again, combat that's generally structured around 6 rounds.

so not much huge gain there unless it's a big'ol attrition fight.

[echo sun]

I think about what other licenses the Raphaelite would want and I kind of just draw a blank
Atlas, I guess??? But that's the case for every size 1/2 ever made

[vocal nova]

playests never managed to overheat themselves, but they frequently hit the point where they had to pick between stabilizing away from the heat cap or not using any of their heatgenning options for a turn or two to let the train cool them back down

[unkempt pagoda]

Which is why the lowest heat give in that liscene is 2 on the aux gun yes

[proven fog]

Man, most of us in here are at the very least familiar with Ru's MO and her awesome feedback how could we not 😛

[vocal nova]

well it's 1 on the aux gun

but let's be real if you're running auxes you're doubling up

[unkempt pagoda]

Its unique aux tho

[vocal nova]

no it's not?

[unkempt pagoda]

Yes it is

[vast pebble]

I am scared of Ru because of this XD

I am a monkey before a monolith.

[vocal nova]

tabac I am looking at the license right now

[proven fog]

It does not have the unique tag on the linked document. The Haydes-Pattern yes?

[unkempt pagoda]

That was actually a design goal; its built to have max efficiency in a 12 round combat

Huh

Could have sworn we made that Unique

[vocal nova]

it might have been suggested and then immediately thwapped with the newspaper

[unkempt pagoda]

[vocal nova]

because Unique Auxes are a field I'm not ready to fuck with now, much less a year ago

[unkempt pagoda]

I recall we did it after the test Tortuga became a 60t AA platform that exploded a lot

[proven fog]

Just remember, that monolith has exploded more reactors than we can count. I remember the days of "Reactor crimes Ru".

[vast pebble]

Tbh, that's kind of the feeling I get around a few people within the homebrew community. Reconous, Ru, Kai Tave, etc. Some of them are...just big personalities that I am scared of XD

Meanwhile, Ikiryo, Rhi, derp, lostdeviljho, etc, I don't feel as intimidated by for some reason.

[proven fog]

Ru the "but what if I put it on a Ghengis??"

[unkempt pagoda]

See the secret is

[chrome owl]

I am very flattered by being put in the same group as Iki lmao

[vast pebble]

Ok, you can't say this and not tell the story.

[unkempt pagoda]

You're more scared of Lost than they are of you

[tender elbow]

Worldkiller, to be specific. 😛

[unkempt pagoda]

Wait no fuck that's backwards aaa

[chrome owl]

lmao

[vast pebble]

It's because you're a goofball XD

[vocal nova]

I have severe social anxiety

[unkempt pagoda]

I'm at work bite me

[chrome owl]

I mean fair lol

[echo sun]

maybe you should BE afraid psy

[tender elbow]

Remember - at the end of the day, everyone's just a person, and they (usually) won't bite. 😛

[unkempt pagoda]

Usually carrying the load there tho

[vast pebble]

I mean, I don't sleep much because I am afraid of my own dreams, so this is just a baseline of fear XD

[tender elbow]

(Though, I definitely still feel like I'm bothering if I reach out to people. 😛 )

[proven fog]

Just the reputation that Ru earned by consistently taking anything heat related and turning it up to an 11 (out of a possible 5).

[vast pebble]

You have permission to ping me whenever you want, at whatever time you wish, no matter what XD

I like people pinging me, is nice.

Makes me feel like I exist, and I get to be helpful.

[vocal nova]

mood

[unborn verge]

ru does not know about the displacer ips-n mitscher, so we're safe.

[vast pebble]

...I can unironically see her making a genghis build that can barrage with 2 displacers.

[proven fog]

Jesus 12 rounds of combat. Maybe it's because I tend to run scenes without timed objectives fast and punchy but 12 rounds would be a marathon for me.

Though theoretically, several of my bews would do well in this context, I would not relish testing this long form.

[unkempt pagoda]

That's kinda the point, its old gear that does well in the old model of mobile suit mech warfare

[vocal nova]

there aren't even any sitreps that go to 12 iirc

[unkempt pagoda]

There are if I ever write the TBK confirm one

[vocal nova]

Well, seeing as displacer is unique...

[proven fog]

Yes but in free form combat a la "team deathmatch" it would typically go on as long as needed?

mebe?

[vast pebble]

The longest encounter I ever ran was 20 rounds.

it, was, hell.

The encounter was a combo of 'bounty' (kill a specific NPC) and a modified kind of control (you had to make sure all 4 points were turned off to prevent the count down timer from lowering).

The end result? An ultra spectre slowly picking off PCs while the group drained all of my reinforcements, only for it to just end as two of the four players chasing it down and hucking everything at it until it died, while the other surviving player just kept turning the bombs off.

[vocal nova]

Objective: Survive

[proven fog]

either way. That'd be hell on the economy of attrition that Lnacer is based on.

[vast pebble]

I now hardcap all encounters to turn 10, and rarely set turn limits above 6.

[high marsh]

Playing a lot of games

Best lancer is 3-6 rounds

Any longer and it usually ends up feeling like a drag

Most people do not want to be sat in one encounter for 4+ hours

[vast pebble]

This is part of what killed a pathfinder campaign of mine. It's part of why I Both learned how to use a VTT since then, and spend the time players take talking thinking of my own plans silently so my own turns as a DM takes like...2 minutes maximum normally.

[unkempt pagoda]

Most GM rounds I can pull about 45s on average

Its not optimal play but it does work and keep things moving

[high marsh]

Ye, I find it helpful to say you have a 2 minute timer on people’s turn

You never have to actually enforce it, but by putting it as a thing people have to consider they tend to spend less time going in circles

If a person’s turn start to go on a while bring up the timer

For a gm, most npc turns can be done in 30 seconds to a minute and a half

[proven fog]

Whenever players are running really reaction heavy builds I tend to slow down on NPC turns because I have to do a lot of pro/con assessment but yeah. usually NPC turns are sub 2 min as a rule. Or at least I try to have it that way 😅

[unreal hill]

Lamenting the time someone drove the mass produced expendable defender like they owed Smith Shimano himself a life debt. I never did quite accurately gauge how tanky that frame was😔

[echo sun]

Heheh

[vocal nova]

Aren't Smith and Shimano two different people?

[unreal hill]

That's the joke!

[velvet oasis]

Lots of weapons counting as two types in the homebrews

[tender elbow]

It's a fairly common thing, given it's really been an unexplored space in core. And I'm sure it'll only become more popular now that comp/con's getting support for it.

[echo sun]

Yeah, tis an official mechanic now, which is funny

I've never done it but Raphaelite there does have an example of the AI tag directly on a weapon

[vocal nova]

it's honestly my favorite mechanical gimmick and I need to fight myself to not do it more often than I already do.

[echo sun]

do it more often

[velvet oasis]

Huh, since it doesn't appear except in mimic gun and viceroy, thought it was supposed to be have downsides or costs.
Was thing of a mech that can can make any amount of launchers into nexii for 2sp each, but I guess that's too costly?

[echo sun]

Yeah I dunno how fun that would feel

[tender elbow]

Literally all it does is hook into talents.

[velvet oasis]

Yeah, viceroy has double typing for free

[tender elbow]

So just adding a type is requiring an invesment on top of an investment.

[echo sun]

Frames are easy to cost for it
Costing it on individual weapons get a little trickier but it's not super hard

Like Data said, to 'fully' capitalize on a dual-type weapon requires a bigger chunk of investment

[vocal nova]

the cost is needing more talents

[velvet oasis]

I see

[void palm]

oh, is it? 👀

DataMoth, Sapphic Mechwright ↩️

[Reply to:](#1119416630489923594 message) It's a fairly common thing, given it's really been an unexplored space in core. And I'm sure it'll o…

[echo sun]

I'd hope it is otherwise poor Viceroy gets left in the cold

[unborn verge]

good

[tender elbow]

Yeah, I can't remember if it's been implemented yet or if it's on the docket.

[vocal nova]

It halfway is

[tender elbow]

I don't keep a super close eye on that stuff.

[vocal nova]

Part of Viceroy is hardcoded

But there's overrides for mod compatibility now, at least

[void palm]

,,,, i mean it's nice that it's getting added, but yea, we'd have liked if it was added as support for homebrew 🙃

[vocal nova]

I do keep an eye on it since this stuff is relevant to Rakshasa

Long version short, we won't get full dual type support for homebrew until C/C version 3 by the look of it, cause it'll need actual skeletal changes to not break shit

[unreal hill]

i explored it for the tiniest of features but i ended up mostly abandoning the "multiple weapon types" design space save for the quetzal and only because i think i handled that much more neatly than older versions even if the dual typing isnt necessarily the meat of it.

[royal prawn]

multiweapons do present fascinating possibilities but just as much potential for mischief and unintentional interactions to the point that I also tried to be pretty sparing with their use.

Though in my case it was not multiple types of weapon, but multiple sizes of weapon.

[unreal hill]

the biggest reason was just that i kinda got bored with it tho

i realized i could just get it to "feel" like a multi weapon without actually being one

[proven fog]

I love how this space has evolved into something of a wholesome brew discussion.

Once more, this time with feeling (and a ping), thanks @cyan aurora for setting this up!

[vast pebble]

Multi-weapons are interesting to be sure, but one treaded carefully.

I considered allowing melee weapons to double as CQBs at one point, but the end result was a bit too good.

Like...dear god, the fucking torch being able to make overwatch actions that easily, just-no.

[mellow edge]

it can be fine with different modes and specific clauses

like specify that one mode can't benefit from talents

[vast pebble]

Meanwhile, the one bit of design space I have enjoyed exploring recently, which, ironically, ties back into the Loza and Oesberg, is the use of dice trackers.

[celest vine]

I'm not really sure what the point of a multi-weapon like that would be then

[vast pebble]

Having a mechs central gimmick, or an NHP built around adding one of these things, has been fairly fun.

[celest vine]

assuming we're talking about "this weapon counts as two types of weapon class," the primary point of that is talent integration

[mellow edge]

Perhaps I misunderstood what multi-weapon mean then

in my mind it was more two (or more) use cases regardless of talent because I can't for the love of everything balance that

[celest vine]

weapon types pretty much only exist for the purpose of "these talents work with these weapons"

there are very occasional exceptions like the monarch having a trait that hooks into launchers, but outside of talent integration a weapon's type rarely has any other direct mechanical effects

or to put it another way, you can say EVERY weapon counts as a nexus if you want as long as it doesn't work with centimane

[mellow edge]

yea, fair

[median breach]

What is death if not the ultimate Skill Issue?

[weak warren]

BUILT DIFFERENT
The first time each scene the X would be reduced to 0 HP, it is instead reduced to 1 HP and becomes immune to damage for the rest of the current turn.```

"ence what do you mean, that's just Defiance from Icon" yes, but consider,

[unreal hill]

i made "survive nearly anything" effects but rather than being tied to taking lethal damage it was tied to getting stunned exposed, bracing or getting grappled or stabilizing

[median breach]

OCHAIN’S WARNING
If the Kudzu is not at 1 HP, damage cannot reduce it below 1 HP. Effects that would deal structure damage directly instead reduce the Kudzu to 1 HP.

I had fun putting a similar effect on the IF Kudzu, though it trades out the immunity to multi-tapping with 'I laugh at your stupid long cycle lance'.

[velvet oasis]

Launcher and nexus mech that basically whenever they shoot missiles, drones "invite themselves" and vice versa. Tech attacks involve filling enemy mechs with annoying homunculi.

[echo sun]

The Raphaelite has just gotten itself some art
https://twitter.com/Yadana324/status/1673142814543335424

Yadana 🌈 1/5 COMMS OPEN (@Yadana324)

Commission for Pilot NET user Derpghost of a homebrew frame, the Raphaelite!

#LancerRPG #ttrpg #mecha

Twitter · Jun 26, 2023, 1:35 AM

[median breach]

Nice!

[pliant frost]

Looks great!

[pliant frost]

For me, the FFI Clausius. I'm very attached to my submission but I do accept that, comparatively, it's fairly boring and doesn't do anything too crazy.

[vocal nova]

YOoo

[echo sun]

right?

[vocal nova]

(if you pass me the transparent BG version I'l put it in the LCP tonight)

[echo sun]

badaboom

[bleak flare]

The Scene has such a good naming convention tbh

[tawny aurora]

man Yadana's art is so sick

Shadefish's is also really sick, did Shadefish draw for any of the contenders here?

[echo sun]

I appreciate it haha

And yeah Yadana did amazing

The sketchy spraypaint feel works So Well for the raph

[median breach]

I'm almost sad I didn't include one of these as my entry. As both are 'Oh come on, that's not a mech, you're cheating'. XD

[echo sun]

That's the best way to cheat

[vocal nova]

Laurel makes me wanna comm Moid for the Longwave real bad

[median breach]

Funny thing: The Laurel despite being an alt resulted in me redesigning part of the base mech's licence to play into it's art better.

[bleak flare]

I have been trying to get a friend who's used to battletech into this game and that's basically his response to the entirety of HORUS lol

[median breach]

As I went 'yeah, cool tank...oh fuck, I didn't give it a Primary Cannon sort of weapon in the licence' XD

[vocal nova]

Longwave being the "vantuga", a Tortuga alt that is literally an APC

[median breach]

Nice

[vocal nova]

it is designed to treat walls as suggestions

[median breach]

Particle Shredder
Heavy CQB, Heat 3(Self), AP
Range 8, Line 3, Threat 3
1d6+2 Energy Damage
On Critical Hit: The target is shredded until the end of their next turn.

A particle shredder flays layer after layer of plating off foes, each one evaporating in small-scale nuclear fission. The significant power drain per unleashed cascade makes repeated shots difficult but each burst has enough time on target to engage a swath of foes before cohesion is lost.

So the license ended up getting this purely so I had a gun to point at and go 'yeah, that's likely what the Laurel has in that turret' XD

[unkempt pagoda]

we are nowhere near commissioning art for anything related to Tour Guide to Marlowe please and thank you.

[echo sun]

lmao

[unkempt pagoda]

this is head of circle trigon speaking our war chest has the same thing inside it as a sekhemet's heart: absolutely nothing

[vocal nova]

look just make a note in one of your weird paper notebooks you use

[unkempt pagoda]

my note on Moid is "acceptable in certain cases" and TBH I had them penned in for scene art

[vocal nova]

Moid does great dynamicism

which is what like, half KM&M desires

[unkempt pagoda]

Yes, and I am very picky on my artists and Moid's webcomic does not inspire me

[median breach]

Moid is my goto but part of that is how good they are for 'I want this moving or selling off a feel'. It worked great for various NPCs.

Like this LS one is all about the Vibes.

[echo sun]

I've been considering them for doing one of my frames yeah

[unkempt pagoda]

Stuff like that is what I want him for tbh

but like, a straight frame? Nah

like, I'm thinking two page big spread for his stuff

or front cover if we do a second edition

[vocal nova]

I absolutely want him doing at least one frame in Marlowe

[unkempt pagoda]

okay then he can do Golden Ghost

[vocal nova]

works

[echo sun]

haha

[unkempt pagoda]

I need to get someone who can accurately get the vibes of a Volkswagen minibus making sweet sweet forbidden love to a Panhard EBR and the resulting child going to the World Cup and being adopted by futbol clubs

[vocal nova]

that's not what Longwave looks like Tabac and I will actively fight you on this

[unkempt pagoda]

put yer dukes up then

[echo sun]

The Povera especially is gonna be a tricky one to find the right artist vibe for because it's like... mostly liquid in-motion, which isn't an easy ask to draw :P

[unkempt pagoda]

this is morgue's general project anyway so we can not go over it here tho

[unborn verge]

I'm probably going to need to find art sometime now that I've finished writing all the content, which is a whole thing. I need to find an artist that can do "the SSC Enkidu," "a Second Committee-era fixed-wing gunship," "a HORUS PG from the Interstellar Solidarity Brigades," and "the Genghis's considerably more mortar-focused brother".

Not the easiest ask.

[unkempt pagoda]

well

I got your gunship artist in @shrewd rune if you don't mind 3d renders

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/616170230212984852/1104522747448660088/Photoshop_q8jGi5zu45.png

this is one he did for Omission of Terror

[unborn verge]

👀 Oh, that's nice.

[unkempt pagoda]

that's a pre-render that got some text over it b/c the actual render was taking forever

[shrewd rune]

Post some of my art station plane stuff too @unkempt pagoda am on phone

[unkempt pagoda]

I don't have your artstation tho

[shrewd rune]

https://www.artstation.com/admiralkew this is it I think

[desert fulcrum]

So, hey, in the nicest possible terms I can muster, fuck right off

Like, if you're gonna come into a discussion about artists, artists who are regular parts of this community and people we work to support when we can, with just casual dickish "oh yeah their work doesn't inspire confidence" passive-aggressiveness

Then, fucking, don't!

[tender elbow]

Moiderah's they/them, btw.

[unkempt pagoda]

Ah, my apoligies on that

[desert fulcrum]

I don't think it should be a shock at all to hear that that's an absolutely awful way to interact with this space

Do not do that

[celest vine]

In a broader sense: I don't think we actually need to publicly talk about why we don't want to use this or that artist for whatever reason

[unkempt pagoda]

Understood

[celest vine]

it's fine to not think someone's art is gonna do it for you, but that can be between you and your project

[sage flame]

Smash.

[echo sun]

I'll be honest that's kind of an offputting thing to reply with

[sage flame]

I apologize, I’m memeing cuz my brain is fried

I restate:
Love the art, love the design, would def have on a team if I couldn’t have one for muhself

But yeah, sorry, I’m not thinking rn

[echo sun]

All good, and thankee!
Just gotta be mindful of vibes sometimes

[unreal hill]

going absolutely bonkers wild by just saying "well yeah the quetzalpapalotl is a mech as it technically has limbs."

its just those good old retractable kind

[sage flame]

It’s probably got lil landing gear, those are technically legs

[unreal hill]

limbs would just slow the frame down if they couldn't be tracted

no it actually does have like, actual limbs

but its for being able to walk on space craft

landing gear is kind of useless if you are designed for naval warfare in lancer

[median breach]

I don't even have that excuse. The Scilla and the Laurel are just flat Vehicles (If with control interfaces designed to be comfortable for mech pilots) XD

[sage flame]

I wanna make a mech that hovers instead of having legs

But it still has an upper half

With like a head and arms and stuff

Pull a doom hunter

[unborn verge]

The Mitscher isn't even pretending to be a mech, it's just straight-up a plane. Very fun.

[unreal hill]

oh this one has a head, it;s right there!

[sage flame]

Ok but like

Like this

Hover bottom

[unborn verge]

Admittedly, the original version of it in the fluff wasn't even a piloted vehicle, but I couldn't get the mechanics around "your character is not actually on the battlefield" to work out right.

[sage flame]

Just a normal boyo on top

[unreal hill]

i don't know what that is, but interesting!

[sage flame]

It’s a Doom Hunter from Doom Eternal

[unreal hill]

oh let me clarify

i still dont know what that means but that was like

just a statement

i wasnt trying to open up a "oh what's a doom hunter thing."

[sage flame]

Ik, don’t worry

[unreal hill]

for traits i generally didn't go for/desire getting too diagetic really iwth "oh it's a next level naval chassis designed to fly with orbital, atmospheric, or oceanic strike craft seamlessly" beyond just saying "yeah it has an eva module"

but i finally really decided on a nice and consice way to get that across via the whole "it has an eva module and it hovers whenever it would fly or take a move other than its standard"

[sage flame]

I like it, ngl
Cute lil drone boyo

[unreal hill]

same feeling without trying to put in vehicle mechanics

[sage flame]

Also the weapon floating away from the body is a great design choice

[unreal hill]

yeah a little tiny orbital drone for the frame

yeah!

that one was its own history of "how would a drone work like So-and-so" and i ended up having the perfect mechanic for that lying around

skirmish is just you shooting, and barrage is the drone flying away to kill something

[median breach]

Yeah, I kinda entirely avoided actual 'this is a vehicle' mechanics on the Laurel/Scilla as that felt Really Fiddly/Limited how players could fluff stuff.

[unreal hill]

the reference art for that was actualyl a kitbash a friend made of it, back when it was still called the hawkmoth!, my friend maggie made that one and its in retrograde

[unreal hill]

yeah def!

plus in my case,it plays into a secret hidden joke,

if one knows the inspiration thematically, of the frame, its color scheme, and what its name means in nahuatl,

but yeah i just imagined that with little retracvtable legs you could have a frame folding its wings up to land on a carrier ands crawl around like a moth or butterfly

[median breach]

The Scilla's traits are more about it Floating and Being Big than about Vehicle. XD

[unborn verge]

Fortunately messing about with VTOL mechanics meant I didn't have to venture into the weird "straight lines only" design space.

It's agile enough to do strange jinking maneuvers, Don't Question It

[median breach]

Floating Fortress ended up how it did becuase I don't like Flying Rules and want to mostly ignore a lot of them XD

[unreal hill]

(I'll spoil the joke: it means/refers to "Monarch Butterfly")

Oh I just slapped on hover definitely

But yeah hover when it takes a non standard move was simple and fun and handily convenient

[void palm]

honestly "don't worry about it" is the best option sometimes

we didn't stop the tritton from equipping melee weapons or making melee attacks

you can strap chainsaws to your tank we won't stop you

[median breach]

People have sent me a couple of Scilla Melee Builds that I've just decided are 'You turned it into a Beyblade' XD

[unreal hill]

I will because OSHA will kill me if I dont

[unborn verge]

I said people couldn't make melee attacks with the Mitscher, but they can RAW equip melee weapons

There's a Suldan melee weapon that does a Burst attack that doesn't count, Word of Kai, as a melee attack

I decided "you know what, sure, you use your attack helicopter's rotors as a burst melee thing"

"that's hilarious"

[vocal nova]

I'm honestly fine with Lancer's flight rules, it's line of sight that's a pain for me

[unreal hill]

I keep forgetting to publish my height/flight rules thing😔

[celest vine]

it's not word of me, it's because "forcing a save" is not a melee attack

[median breach]

Ah, melee weapon with an inbuilt action for AOE save?

Makes sense.

[celest vine]

representationally sure, you are swinging the tetsubo in a big circle, but mechanically it is very clearly "everyone in the AoE makes a save"

[tender elbow]

Basically, it's like the Gravity Gun?

[unborn verge]

Ah, I see - I was told thirdhand by the player making the build, so I was like "ah, this makes sense" and got on with enjoying the joke.

[celest vine]

Superheavy Melee
Threat 2
Overkill
3d6 kinetic damage
On hit: This weapon deals additional damage based on how many 6’s you roll on its base damage dice:
1: Deal an additional 4 damage.
2: Deal an additional 7 damage, and the target becomes Shredded until the end of the current turn.
3 or if the weapon's damage is otherwise maximized: Deal an additional 10 damage, and the target becomes Shredded until the end of their next turn.

As a full action, you can swing this ungainly weapon in a Burst 2 sweeping blow. Characters within this area must pass a Hull save or take 1d6+3 kinetic damage, be knocked back 2 spaces, and knocked Prone. On a success, they take half damage only.```

[unborn verge]

Apologies for any misrepresentation.

[tender elbow]

Ah, gotcha, seperate action. Makes sense.

[celest vine]

yeah, it's a secondary function

at one point, the secondary effect WAS built as a second attack profile, similar to the siege cannon, but the issue I ran into was that I felt it was extremely clumsy interacting with executioner

[median breach]

Yeah, makes sense. Dodges Jammed, Save-based etc.

[celest vine]

so I turned it into a save-or

[median breach]

And yeah, Executioner is eternally a worry with Heavy Melee.

It's a good talent that really forces you to design around it.

It's not badly designed or something, it's just really good at what it does/plays in areas that makes More Area and More Attacks tricky.

[celest vine]

yeah, coming up with "how does this interact with an AoE melee specifically" was giving me enough of a headache trying to create a framework for it that I just ditched it

[median breach]

Yeah, i've got ponderings for a Blast 1 heavy melee (A spear with a bomb on the end) but I'll likely steal from the Manticore and make the effect: On hit - Do damage to everyone adjacent to the target'

Rather than actual blast attacks

[vocal nova]

Annihilator memes

[inland marten]

Punch tank! Punch tank!

:p

[mellow edge]

Absolutely dope

[worthy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/obama-barack-obama-potus-i-just-voted-go-vote-gif-5111746

[median breach]

Yay!

[worthy badge]

Now, to wistfully dream of getting arts for my mechs

[safe geode]

Hell yeah. Validation. The fruits of a year of small-scale tuning and reflavoring paying off 😌

[echo sun]

😌

[languid parrot]

jeepers creepers I visit family for a week and this thread goes nutso buck wild. time to read everything and vote

[safe geode]

hey, me too

[echo sun]

i should prolly put the raph's art in the doc huh

[languid parrot]

probly lmao

also very funny that all* the mechs in my block (2) are strikers. we like-a the damage

*except the loza godspeed king

[echo sun]

yeah block 5 is all mobile, all range strikers

[languid parrot]

I kinda like that it shook out that way makes them fun to choose between

[echo sun]

Yee

[chrome owl]

Mine's a support in I think a field full of strikers lol

If I remember correctly

Oh no the Holumenn is a controller

The Lithium is a defender/striker and the ghoul is a controller so actually I'm in a controller heavy field

[inland marten]

In the words of mech hangar, "All mechs is strikers"

[chrome owl]

lmao

I don't rly interact with Hangar that much anymore

[unborn verge]

Heavy mount? Striker. Bonus damage trait? Striker. Has a weapon in-license with at least 1d6 damage?

You bet, that's a Striker.

[chrome owl]

Mostly cuz I haven't played in a while but last time I was there it was very 'mechanical optimization only, no in character reasons for build choices are ones we will respect when giving advice'

Like it got kinda fuckin annoying lol

I mean Heavy Mount does kinda let you do some stupid shit

[echo sun]

Tis somethin we try to work on in the space

[languid parrot]

if you think about it the best way to [control/defend your allies/support your allies] is to reduce the other guy to 0 hp. it just makes sense

[vocal nova]

I'm not sure I'd consider Rakshasa "all range"

[chrome owl]

Rakshasa seems fairly CQB hacky to me

[vocal nova]

Like 100% striker, yes

[unborn verge]

I gave a heavy mount to my Defender because it has a heavy rifle that's mediocre normally but becomes a proper AMR-alike on a trigger like House Guard, but I imagine I could have also just given it a Flex and toned down the weapon damage if I wasn't Very Damage Brained

[vocal nova]

Unless you just slap an AMR on that thing it ain't doing much outside range 8 tho

[echo sun]

got my numbers mixed 😔

[chrome owl]

Must... wrench self away... from distractions... must write... Field Guide text

[inland marten]

You can do it Rhi

[vocal nova]

Block 5 is 3 strikers and a defender

As Ra Intended

[mellow edge]

My brain wasnt wired properly and i read "Must... french self away..."

[chrome owl]

lmao

Eld when he has to step away from being a mod

[echo sun]

@azure nimbus

[azure nimbus]

damn

[chrome owl]

pfff

Hi Eld, how's it going?

Oh God wait I just accidentally made a French surrender joke

Oh no <XD

[azure nimbus]

that's right

you did

make sure your stuff is all in order

[chrome owl]

lol

But in all seriousness I do gotta go write so will now extricate myself from this conversation

[vast pebble]

Hows the guide going?

[chrome owl]

I wanna get all the faction blurbs themselves up to a page

[mellow edge]

You good Eld? Been a while

[vast pebble]

Hector is scorpion from mortal kombat, he doesn't strike, he fatalities 😤

[mellow edge]

If you use Notepad, they are all on one page :p

A very long page

But still one

[vast pebble]

Damn, nice going.

I'm currently proof reading datamoths field guide, which has been great fun.
Would be happy to read someone else's after I finish.

[night grove]

Well if you're offering....

[night grove]

0u0;

[night grove]

ouo;;;;

[vast pebble]

Seriously though, I'd be happy to

[night grove]

Lemme shoot you the link then

[median breach]

On the topic of Ironleaf Foundry being my submission, @tough sparrow just finished an art piece for IF! A Big Splash Page.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729896234877452371/1123003241836327042/clover_vs_HA.jpg

[chrome owl]

This is of the Clover right?

(that's the halfie brawler chick, right?)

[median breach]

Yep!

[chrome owl]

okay cool

[little ore]

ME WHEN I FUCKING GET YOU

[night grove]

Wicked art

I do not have the power for full splash pages

[vast pebble]

This isn't the Hector, but it's the art of a different frame I'm working on right now, the Tobio.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1113910986110410924/1121229809478008862/image.png

it's still in progress, but the artist is making good strides.

@near wyvern does good art 😌

[echo sun]

They do!!!

[vast pebble]

The Tobio frame is the second most undercooked frame in my roster right now though.

I know what I want it to do, vaguely, but...gaaah.

Hector was a lot easier; control the battlefield with knockback and a big CQB.

Tobio? It's a weird control/support mech that likes to make people who fail saves suffer.

The original artist for the Mogen sketched this before they decided to back out of the project due to personal reasons. It's a real shame, given how good it is

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/666328861985865749/1103056967259410492/image.png

[bleak flare]

yall got me wanting to go comission some art for my Powder Monkey now...

but i have no money ;-;

[vast pebble]

oh, also, something I'm working on fo Psyclopean Time as a gimmick

NHP avatars!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/923971250177589308/1116797481456500819/image.png

Tiny lil sprite like things that digitally manifest to represent the NHP you have installed.

(It helps that the artist who made this one, and will make the others, is a close friend who's giving me a discount XD)

[royal prawn]

Nice! It's certainly a fun touch for the NHP to represent themselves in curious ways.

[vast pebble]

yee.
That lil bugger is Eyrus, the exotic gear NHP/the fucker who's going to be giving commentary on the book itself.

his design isn't complete yet, but personifying the NHPs does go a ways to empathizing with them more.

[royal prawn]

Likewise, Juroujin was actually the first thing I asked Sketchrascal to draw for me as an antagonist (an autonomous Witch that I had the players fight in my first ever campaign)

[vast pebble]

ooooh, hairy.

[royal prawn]

However, I sent him a draft idea for it which, to my horror, turned out kind of cute, and we decided that for the Komainu it should have a likewise friendlier representation.

[vast pebble]

He has a tiny monocle!

I love him.

[royal prawn]

well, second eye.

[vast pebble]

give

[chrome owl]

How long is the voting for again?

[vast pebble]

til friday I think.

we get a week after submissions.

I did mine like, 10 minutes after voting started XD

[royal prawn]

The message says until July 1 at 9:00 AM (GMT+8).

[vast pebble]

Good god, it's gonna be a while, and my anxiety is gonna murder me because of it XD

[royal prawn]

We decided his personality is "doting grandpa wanting to entertain the young'uns with his magic act."

[vast pebble]

Love him more, where do i get a casket for grandpa?

...holy shit that's a dark sentence out of context XD

[royal prawn]

Well, I'll probably keep working on the WA materials to allow that. I did have a decent time fleshing out the setting in a campaign but it could use some more history, I think.

[tawny maple]

God I need to like

Actually read over everything here

I wanna vote fairly but I do not know a lot of the mechs that are in the running

Also admittedly, I am a tiny bit worried about something

Because this contest is for a YouTube series

And normally for this series Dragonkid uses the mech’s art to represent them in videos

So what would happen if a mech that doesn’t have art wins their block?

Would he just use an image that’s close to the mechs name?

Like he did with Everest?

[median breach]

This happened with the Houdini the first time.

He found a 'close enough thematically' picture.

[tawny maple]

Oh ok

I didn’t remember the Houdini video

[little ore]

Yeah DK just finds a good alternative

[tawny maple]

Alright just making sure

[little ore]

Like literally just a picture of a mountain for Everest

[tawny maple]

Because my mech doesn’t have art and I’m still hoping to win you know?

[little ore]

Or a battleship for the Yamato

[tawny maple]

I thought the Yamato’s art was just a battleship

[little ore]

It'll be funny to see what art they use for the mechs with no art lmao

[little ore]

Oh huh maybe? Don't remember it that well

[tawny maple]

Yah admittedly part of me wants to change the Death Pool’s name because of that

Because while it makes sense like

In context

Out of context it just sounds like I’m making a reference to Deadpool

[little ore]

Oh it's not

[tawny maple]

It’s the whole like

“Betting what celebrities will die this year”

Thing

All the CFS mechs are named after gambling games

[vast pebble]

The mechs without art tend to be the funnier videos in the series.

I wish I had art for mine but I'm not sweating it.

Chances are I've probably lost to the homebrew favourite, the loza, so I am just enjoying the vibe of being in this chat and drinking wine.

Ok, not actual wine, I am working, but you get the jist. Its like going to the Olympics and your opponent in a race is usane bolt in his prime, at that point you are just happy to be there.

Plus there has been some fun discussions here already.

Like...OK, here's a fresh one.

How did you all find your artists?

I found mine through other servers, typically by asking artist friends if they knew someone who'd be up for the job. That, or I'd go for a ttrpg server that fit the theme of the mech and asked around.

[tawny aurora]

this is one I can't really answer in a contributing way because me was my own artist lmao

[median breach]

'I looked in the mirror and was shocked to see someone'

[tawny aurora]

LOL
"I was actually a vampire before that"

[median breach]

Batch 1/2: @wind notch, @proven fog, @languid parrot, @vast pebble, @glad whale, @unkempt pagoda

To get eyes on stuff/to do my best to make good use of the fact that Liminal Space got me at least SOME followers on Twitter, I was thinking of posting art/links to documents of the various batches of mechs in the contest so that even people who don't win their batch can get some eyes on their work.

Would you guys be cool with that? To make it easier, I've put together a document to let people fill out the details of their stuff/make it easier for me to post it up there. This is entirely just 'if you're cool with it' though, feel free to say no.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1h48MYVJGUC0CjPbtVdNBKFIq5aoSJ-NuGLDTb1Yec2o/edit?usp=sharing

(Also reposting this to attempt to get more of the sheet filled out so I can start putting stuff up on twitter)

[vast pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-do-it-gif-24435329

I'll fill the sheet out after work.

[median breach]

Thanks. There's a LOT of people here so filling the sheet out entirely myself is a lot XD

[vast pebble]

I want more eyeballs on my stuff, so it's worth a little effort XD

[languid parrot]

That's a great idea, I'll fill it in once I'm outta bed

[tawny aurora]

once the batches are done, were you intending to put them into a compilation, or onto twitter? (or both?)

[median breach]

Twitter in groups of 'however many I can put in a post, with Twitter's limited space' XD

[tawny aurora]

ahh I see lol

in that case, may I get @d once you post the batch with me? (though I have a feeling you were already gonna notify us once you did lmao)

[median breach]

Of course

[night grove]

I am the artist

[vast pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/joice-hasselmann-laugh-big-mouth-triggered-gif-14208847

I wish I could draw

[night grove]

Sometimes I wish I didnt because the OMDI game has like 55~ art pieces for it on top of all the writing and if Id had outsourced more than like 4 pieces of that art I would be Far less burnt out Im sure

[tawny aurora]

would you still be able to outsource some of the stuff you haven't done yet?

also, yeah, sick art for the Uriel!
I can see the Mass EVA inspiration lmao

[night grove]

Thank you - Uriel is my favorite in totality but still gets trumped by Yama because Yama is just cool

I might be able to but Ive already comitted to a Style for what needs to be done still and might as well finish stronf [Suddenly OMDI is just a writing and art portfolio disguised as a Lancer Expansion]

[inland olive]

Holy moly just saw this channel and all the homewbrew. you all are so talented 😮

[spark saddle]

Oh, we're friends. I started talking a lot with them on an OCT server a couple years ago

[night grove]

Also its because the mass produced eva is the best eva design do not AT me

[tender elbow]

Looking through the commission sheet in #the-gallery. There were so many cool styles there, it was hard to pick.

[tawny aurora]

ahh fair enough
lmao, each project is just secretly and/or accidentally another piece for the portfolio

[tawny aurora]

can't disagree, the pure white with highlights looks sick

[languid parrot]

I am also my own artist, I like having a cohesive style for all of em and I'm broke commission me please

[weak warren]

I have neither spending money nor artistic ability, so them's the breaks

[safe geode]

I am working on improving my own art but I somehow really popped off with the Vandal's art really early (just like I somehow popped off with the Vandal itself really early) so that one does actually have art

[tender elbow]

One thing I did end up doing was getting additional artists for many of the alt-frames. Let me talk to more cool people, in addition to not making one artist having to basically do more-or-less the same frame twice. (Given how many of my alts aren't super different, externally. 😛 )

[night grove]

BDF had me do interpretatiosn of some of their frames in a similar fashion

[languid parrot]

yeah if I had more money to splash around I'd likely do the same just for giggles, its really fun to see how other people interpret your designs

my RPG group has three artists in it which is a delight for that reason

[wind notch]

I am a okay with this

[tawny maple]

Oh is this open for anyone to post their relevant information into?

[tender elbow]

I sure have, and I'm in block 3. 😛

[tawny maple]

Nice

[vast pebble]

Its as good a way as any to get some more eyeballs.

[daring rover]

@proven fog see the above post

oh wait shit you're already pinged

dammit

NVM'

[proven fog]

At work atm! Will get to it in ~6hrs.

[unreal hill]

i kind of just got sporadically lucky with the aqrt designs since both the sprite artist for the quetzalpapalotl and the book artist for it found me

It just inspired that feeling

[vocal nova]

I've never actually gotten art myself, since the one time I reached out to an artist their comms were closed with no ETA to open 😅

[unkempt pagoda]

Art and a short summary ate fine, but please don't post the doc link to Twitter. Use the book's itch.io page instead here:

https://tabac-iberez.itch.io/night-watch-on-al-sorah

[vocal nova]

put that in the actual document linked in the post tab

[glad whale]

Yeah, sure! Ty

I don’t have a twitter tho lmao

[crystal bay]

Oh I gotta do this

But first a nap

[proven fog]

Rather than share just my Frame would it be cool If I added a link to the parent document as a whole?

[unkempt pagoda]

implying I can find the post
first mistake

[daring rover]

I mean, it's what I did for Wa.Zal

[proven fog]

nods

[echo sun]

that's a good call actually

[median breach]

That's fine

[spark saddle]

ay! you may have seen in #the-gallery , but there's now actual art for the Man-O-War!
it's by @crude ivy , both here and on tumblr!

[median breach]

Nice!

[vocal nova]

sick!

[inland marten]

Oh that fucks

[median breach]

It looks really clunky, in a good way.

Got a good sense of Weight

[vocal nova]

if you're open for feedback, I think it could use some shading

[spark saddle]

yeeeh! Rusty is super good at mechs

[vocal nova]

the yellow kinda blends together unless I zoom in

it's very cool though either way

[royal prawn]

Solid work to be sure.

[wise otter]

Hell yes rocket propelled greatsword.

[vast pebble]

I want this, so badly...

[spare sierra]

cant help but feel a little overwhelmed by all the crazy stuff thats been submitted, especially that with art

been lurking since i posted my entry and i gotta say all the art is top notch and everyone involved in that side of the homebrew scene should be proud as hell

[echo sun]

I only commed my art like a few days after submitting lmao

[safe geode]

I made it myself! (have had less success with making other frames)

[echo sun]

😌

just a funny little guy

[vast pebble]

My projects major themes prevents me from getting art for my mechs easily 😔

Each of the 10 frames are meant to be drawn by people from different cultural backgrounds, so tracking down good artists from each one is a bit difficult.