GRIMM & SONS - WORKING FOR THE PROMISED LAND

[jade flame]

GRIMM & SONS - NOEL
Striker/Support
Arise, ye pris’ners of starvation! Arise, ye wretched of the earth! The revolution calls! And Rockstansky, the gunsmiths of the revolutionary industry, answered the call with Noel- a creation of material necessity as G&S foundries sing and boom with the sound of hammers and lascutters. A revolutionary, seeking freedom, often does not have the materials nor printers capable of producing weapons that will dissuade the reactionary and the tyrant. So the Clan of Bullets took their industrial recycling rigs and started up scaling them, seeking more power, more ability, more and more to turn the tide. Where Volk’s breaks his saws, Noel repairs. Where John Henry’s nuclear heart runs hot, Noel soothes. Where Bunyan’s armor sunders, Noel patches. Where the enemy bares his sword, Noel beats it to a plowshare. The Red Revenant, a P-G of drone rapidly assembled by Noel’s Demi-Intellect and graywash repair swarms from the wreckage of battle, follows in Noel’s wake as the mech marches ever forward.
Noel’s role was designed along the political ideology of “good soldiering” within G&S, relics from the Clans happy endorsements of conflicts such as the Tien Shen Ring and the Fall of Au Bao Qu, battles fought to liberate and place more of mankind beneath the Crimson Banner of Humanity. Current critics of the frame cite this origin as a poisoned chalice- a sign of how the Clans’ own societal traumas become easily warped to anthrochaunist ends. The Clanners point to its record of service, and ask if the workers of Yllmire should not have been liberated from debt-bondage. If the lasrifles and bayonets of the IntRev Brigades should not tear down the machines of the workers’ enemies and transform them into new rifles and new bayonets, until the work is done- and Paradise is built.

Noel fluff!

[sharp light]

paul bunyan's more of a folk tale, too

and john henry

but that's a debatable categorization since folk and fairy tales are sort of the modern myth anyway

[velvet swift]

I love this, but I also have fromsoftware brain now and also thought "ARISE YE TARNISHED!"

[naive rune]

Who is the loathsome Dung Eater of g&s

[jade flame]

It’s from le Internationale

[velvet swift]

monkey/lizard brain now wants to write a parody of that for elden ring regardless. Brain be dumb sometimes.

[floral oyster]

Is noel father Christmas?

[icy mauve]

Ye

[jade flame]

Papa Noel, yes

[violet token]

Made a Volk sprite

[harsh stirrup]

if you have a mech carrying truck, and you have a volk on it, is it a Volk's Wagon?

[violet token]

Volk on a Lancaster

what will they do?

What crimes?

[naive rune]

all

all of them

[jade flame]

much like mcavity committing every human crime, the volk will probably do every mechanized crime.

[north wagon]

Did you ever manage to rejigger Lilliputian Modifications, Delilah?

[jade flame]

Its going to be a 1SP Exotic because I'm tired of (trying to) balance it

[acoustic stag]

slight MAGARAC edit

also

the GENERAL MASSIVE SYSTEMS ELM

[ivory venture]

Is that a cannon on the front?

[acoustic stag]

that's the back, and no. It's a capital ship-sized FTL comms array

[ivory venture]

Very cool

An omninet uplink strong enough to fry dinner by turning it on.

[velvet swift]

oooh neat

[naive rune]

I feel like they're kindred spirits to the wa.zal Red Yoke, which is "what if you turned a late cold war listening station into a mech"

[north wagon]

Wait it's getting new art?

Oh dang.

[naive rune]

they've been getting new art for a while! Jade Clipper just got done, and before that we had Indigo Dream (which is... it's just Megas XLR, ok) and the Brown Goose a.k.a. "what if mech but APC"

[north wagon]

Ah, it's not been released yet is all, dang.

These are dope.

[covert sparrow]

Just so's we're clear, Indie's commissioned new art for WaZal entirely on their own initiative

It's not official Wa.Zal art, but it has my official seal of approval

If that makes any sense

[faint coyote]

ohh, I thought they were official tbh

[covert sparrow]

If and when the compconn gallery feature is done, that art is going in the LCPs

Believe me

[north wagon]

Fair!

[tough sedge]

Gallery feature?

[north wagon]

You know how you can select art for a given frame in COMP/CON, and sometimes, it's more than just the standard given art?

[spark star]

ya

There is a very cool tortuga artpiece

and an asuras wrath vlad

[faint coyote]

Tbh I really wanna commission the guy who did the Tortuga one

But last I checked he wasn't taking comms

[spark star]

also lets you upload your own picture for campaign stuff which is pretty dope

[tough sedge]

I... think I saw that but the frames I picked never had alt artwork, so stopped loking >.<

[north wagon]

Yeah I generally use it for Retrograde Minis edits.

[coarse sentinel]

Im having troubles with the comp/com not including the SCHEHERAZADE's morgiana revolver, anyone got tips to fix it?

please @me so i see the reply

[hazy canopy]

@jade flame (hopefully its okay to ping you with this, i apologize if not!) i took a look at the LCP, the error with the Morgiana Revovler in particular being un-equippable is because its Mount size is marked as Aux in the LCP instead of Auxiliary, the latter of which is what comp/con looks for, so it basically doesnt know what size mount it's supposed to fit which is why it shows up in the compendium but not when trying to put it on a mount. making auxiliary weapons marked with this size was a bug with early versions of the LCP editor but has since been fixed. there appear to be several other errors in there from old versions of the LCP editor, too (mainly things like Range and Threat of weapons being strings instead of numbers (essentially having quotation marks around the numbers in the json), which can cause errors when adding range/threat to weapons via core bonuses and etc).

if you're comfortable opening and editing the LCP manually, this is all relatively simple to fix, just a little tedious, and after doing so the LCP editor should be fine for making updates to/adding things to the LCP again to my knowledge. im not sure if there's a way to fix these things within the LCP editor itself without making it again from scratch, though, which i would not recommend unless you remember the exact id you used for everything because changing the id of something can cause errors with loading pilots that use that item when they update their LCP

(i would also be willing to open it up myself and help you fix stuff if that's preferable, but i don't want to be rude by saying that off the bat)

[jade flame]

Oh! That does explain things, thank you so much! I’ll go digging while I work the G&S stuff into a new LCP

[hazy canopy]

yeah! happy to help!

[jade flame]

I use the LCP builder tools mostly, so I’m always a layer or so removed from the guts of the thing

Makes it hard to know what’s gone wrong @ 3@

[hazy canopy]

hahaha, yeah, for sure

it's a super great tool though

[coarse sentinel]

This makes so much sense, thanks for looking!

[harsh stirrup]

Reminds of this thingy out of phantom brigade!

[coarse sentinel]

Here is the fixed .lcp file for The Morgiana Revolver: thanks to @true perch for it!

@jade flame now you don’t have to worry about it

[true perch]

Ye, I'm generally always dootable for lcp things

ezpzfix

[acoustic stag]

I can see it!

haha

[ivory venture]

Clearly an option one of them needs: The ability to deploy mechs via a cannon 😛

(Yes I might be playing Red Alert III right now)

[jade flame]

no, you'll get the Willow playing Battle-Taxi and like it

[stone dagger]

The hearth-7 server had a homebrew talent revolving around throwing your allies a while back, but it got scrapped sadly

[harsh stirrup]

the Castor and Pollux actually has a person launching system

on the Pharos iirc

only launches the target 10 spaces

[north wagon]

For the reverse, the Sappho has a reel to pull pilots back into the chassis.

[harsh stirrup]

well, by person i mean other mechs

thats on me

[acoustic stag]

lilah and i are doing fucked up and evil things

[sharp light]

Writing a core bonus that just gives + sp

[acoustic stag]

i mean that's tempting

"You just get more SP. Fuck you."

the game balance starts creaking and groaning

[north wagon]

I mean Downfall Group from Liminal Space has one.

One SP and the ability to add a second mod to one weapon, all tied up with a neat Additional Device Rail bow.

[ivory venture]

I think the core of designing a + SP core bonus isn't just the +SP but making it do something else too.

[north wagon]

Could totally work if it's with a nice rider.

[ivory venture]

As while +SP is nice, it's also a bit dull without an extra bit to it.

[tough sedge]

For one of the mechas I made, I had it so you could get extra SP in exhange for a Weapon Mount.

[spark star]

ye

New Wild West gives you a 1 SP system or 2 SP system for free and before you roll for structure you can chose to destroy that system and instead of rolling for structure

[jade flame]

We're fucking around with Moid pitching ideas at my skull and then me taking them into the workshop to hit with hammers and hope

[ivory venture]

Man, if only you had some mech with a big hammer to help there 😛

[jade flame]

she is swinging so hard

[north wagon]

How busted would a hypothetical "here's one SP, you may install a Unique weapon or system (without Limited) you have previously installed" CB be?

[jade flame]

i love my large mechanical wife

[ivory venture]

Double Unique could do some Real Nonsense.

[jade flame]

probably a better question for #homebrew-design but also yeah

I Would Avoid

[north wagon]

Fair.

[spark star]

I pray for double perso

Double Armament Redundancy

[north wagon]

I see my mistakes.

[jade flame]

double displacer i fear no g-d

[spark star]

Could do some goofy stuff

Fr fr

[naive rune]

The g&s max, but goof troop

[sharp light]

double autopod gorgon

[stone dagger]

insanity

[wheat loom]

Total Strength Suite 2 two

[velvet swift]

So I'm a little blurry on pain meds and steroids, recent tooth surgery, but I did remember right that the magarac is being rebuilt into a mobile base thing?

[ivory venture]

Yep

No longer a mech

[velvet swift]

Cool. I can't wait to see that

[jade flame]

I got my rough-ass draft actually

Industrial Healer
Size 5
Sensors 10
Speed 3
Passive: 1/round, when an allied character Braces within the Magarac's Sensors, they do not sacrifice their ability to make reactions.
Passive: Allied characters adjacent to the Magarac gain 1d6 Overshield when they Stabilize.
Escalation Trigger: Bolster and/or Brace twice, in any combination.
Active: Kingdom Come. EV(5). Allies gain [fair amount of overshield]
Overclock: Turn Back Death. Roll 1d3+2. Distribute that many Structure between all allies. This may unwreck their mechs.

MOBs get to be on the battlefield and are generally gonna be there to support, using actions that trigger based on how long the encounter is (the "Escalation")

They also get an Overclock where you, the players, give up your CP for a super-buff

Maggie, as you can see, is focused on healing and recovery!

[ivory venture]

It maek stuff

[velvet swift]

Very cool

[acoustic stag]

TURN BACK DEATH

[mystic drum]

Efficient cp goes brrrrr

[acoustic stag]

JUST THIS

A MAGNUM OPUS

[jade flame]

You didn’t spend that CP on YOUR core. You spent it on a core without efficiency

That’s part of the balance ahaha

CP don’t recharge for MOBs!

Too big

[acoustic stag]

oh yeah and on the topic of a different machine...

@jade flame you mind sharing the ALDER? i'll put the WIP sketch

and the lore

[jade flame]

Ofc!

Big Gun
Size 4
Sensors 12
Speed 4
Passive: After all characters have been deployed, but before any turns are taken, the players may elect to create two Blast 2 areas anywhere within Range 50. These are Craters. All terrain inside a Crater takes 30AP Kinetic damage, all Dangerous terrain is destroyed, and if the terrain was not already Difficult terrain it becomes so.
Passive: Characters sharing a space with, or adjacent to the ALDER have Resistance to Blast, Burst, Line, and Cone attacks.
Escalation Trigger: Lock On three times.
Active: Ultima Ratio Regum. EV(5). Drop a pie plate template and break up the terrain.
Overclock: The Hell of Endless Thunder. Do It Again.

[acoustic stag]

This has the bonus of shielding those who hide beneath the Alder's legs, allowing it to become a long-range emplacement and siege engine. With the size and heft of the Alder, as well as the slow, lumbering speed of its footfalls, it's not fast enough to fire upon a moving target. 

That's what the mechanized cavalry is for.```

[ivory venture]

Boom!

[naive rune]

getting some big Command and Conquer MCV energy off of these

[north wagon]

That's because they are.

Red Alert 2 iirc

https://tenor.com/view/mcv-red-alret2-yuri-gif-19723535

[lyric oasis]

Is anyone having issues putting the Bushwhacker underhook mod onto a weapon? Compcon won't even acknowledge that it exsists in the system yet i have the Volk license leveled.

Edit: I have indeed tried uninstalling it, downloading the lcp from the current site, and reinstalling it.

[coarse sentinel]

@true perch you got some time to look at this?

[harsh stirrup]

whats teh thought regarding the mob as a presence on the field? is it meant to be a sort of... tertiary npc presence on the players side that shifts the npc balance?

[true perch]

Yuh, I can take a look in a bit

Ah, I know the issue, let me go find my old msg in homebrew and link it here

#lcp-tech-support message

Gotta delete the empty allowed_sizes and restricted_sizes fields otherwise it assumes you're explicitly stating "none of them" as opposed to the field not existing, which it assumes to be "I don't care aka any of them"

I'm on mobile so I can't do the change myself but I can do that once I get off work later if someone hasn't by then

[coarse sentinel]

What a legend

[jade flame]

Yup! It’s present on the field, but more as a moving objective to defend and play around than a true combatant

[jade flame]

Bless u

[true perch]

boop

[jade flame]

I’m rather at the mercy of the LCP maker as you can tell

[harsh stirrup]

delilah would you feel like the scheherezade vibes with the concept of a "warlock" by any chance?

im poking around thinking about what would define a warlock themed character build

[true perch]

There's a few bugs with the editor but on the whole it's okay, especially if you only need to do the cleanup at the end and don't mind the rough edges while the lcp is in development

[jade flame]

Oh yeah! Go wild

Look at mirrors

It’s Safe

[harsh stirrup]

man, it only just now occured to me the synergy with uncle and mirror logic charges

[jade flame]

Didn’t hit me so have fun!!

[harsh stirrup]

since uncle inflicts 2 diff, if you mirror logic yourself, you can auto fire an uncl'd weapon at 2+ base accuracy

[lyric oasis]

You the best.

[loud minnow]

If i remember, are there plans to reuse some of the ideas in the old playable Magarac into a smaller mech that's comparable?

I know the size 4 version is becoming something else tho

[jade flame]

Yeah! The support role got rolled into the Noel

Who is here to give support!

[loud minnow]

Ohhh yea! Hell yea

[jade flame]

And Maggie herself is becoming the G&S Mobile Operating Base

[jade flame]

Seen here in super rough version

[velvet swift]

if you need someone to playtest, my mouth surgery is healed over and I'm running games again soon 🙂

[jade flame]

Ahaha, I'll be sure to get you some rules! Moid and I are sitting down soon to take hammers to G&S and MOBs, so testing'll be needed

[velvet swift]

coolio

[acoustic stag]

i'm in the process of concepting up a few more ideas

oh and there's one that may or may not involve a

different company

Specifically LOCKSTEEL from the Shadow of Gehenna book

fox gave me his blessing on it 😌

[velvet swift]

I am a simple dumb dumb, what is this shadow of gehenna?

[acoustic stag]

https://shadow-of-gehenna.tumblr.com/

karagna and fox are friends of mine haha

[spark star]

are they also on here? 😮

[velvet swift]

Waits patiently

[silent mason]

rules clarification re: the Dorothy. Are the Jump Drones meant to be unlimited?

there isn't a listed number you can deploy so I assume you can just keep flash printing them

[tawny owl]

I believe if a drone doesnt have a limit, the system is destroyed when the drone dies

And you can only have one at a time (thus the redeploy)

Thr first part may not be the intent, but the second is for sure

[jade flame]

Yup! Both counts

Treat your boost pad nicely

It IS a support tool after all!

[silent mason]

thanks for the clarification!

[silent mason]

I've a player with a lot of questions about the Dorothy so I may be in here sporadically lmao- the Armorer Drone can be activated by any allied characters as a Quick Action. "...Gaining 2+GRIT
Overshield and clearing one condition that is not self-inflicted." If multiple characters are adjacent to it, do all of them benefit from the Overshield, or just the one that spent their QA activating it?

[jade flame]

Just the one activating the Quick

The drone attaches to you as armor :3

[silent mason]

gotcha, thanks again!

[stone dagger]

i have been on a Max binge again and holy lord

i seemingly inadvertedly kickstarted a max rush in the server cause a lot of people are talking about it now

with three max sessions under my belt i gleefully proclaim its one of the most fun strikers i have ever played holy shit

[acoustic stag]

[stone dagger]

right yeah i meant to continue this but i forgot

max in incredible fun, mainly for the staggering amount of rams you can pull off

just the whole "ramming you ramming you ramming you" vibe is immaculate

something i have noticed tho and want to point out is that max fundamentally does less damage than normal main strikers

mourning cloak, atlas, nelson all have damage traits that are tied to weapon attacks and, as such, generally deal 1d6-ish damage with the damage trait on top

max doesn't do that, max goes all in on rams

which means there is no inherent damage to the attack and the 1d6 from road warrior

an inherently lower damage floor than what you'd get with a nelson

taking siege ram on max is all but LL tax to get some inch of damage out of your rams to bring you up to par with main strikers

(naturally, i could ram with a nelson/mc/atlas and get their bonus damage because ram does count as a melee attack but the kit of those frames isnt built around ramming left right and center)

point being the average one turn damage for a max is 1d6+2 (siege ram, road warrior) and the optimal one turn damage for a mourning cloak is 2d6+3, even more if you buffstack the variable sword beyond heaven and hell

which is another thing, you cant opcal a ram

i lost track again but

my final plea and/or suggestion was to soft-integrate siege ram into max and make his rams deal 2-3 ap or something like that

youre now putting out a lot more consistent damage, not as high as an inherent skirmish but spread across more targets with stuff like titanomachy and ronceveaux

also removes the siege ram tax

(@jade flame)

[jade flame]

Very worth considering, or just slapping the controller tag on him, but nah yah, I see what you mean

Roles are super loose concepts so while he doesn’t damage the same- Rams Are Still A Good Option

But hrmn

Honestly even if he does underperform in damage, you’re getting to strip actions out of the enemy which is a different, useful effect? Hrmn

Hremn

[stone dagger]

in my experience, especially in recent games, if you ram people that havent activated yet (which is somewhat probable with a 6 speed crack monkey street fighter) they just stand up and boost past you

which, after spending your overwatch, you cant prevent

as of right now youre taking siege ram anyways so your rams do a crumb of damage, however i had it bounce off armor more than once

[jade flame]

Hrmn!

[stone dagger]

not being able to kill a seeder grunt with siege ram (cause 2 armor) made my cry

i mean not really but you see what i mean

[jade flame]

I will have to pick bc my instant thought is making it slow

Since the fantasy of all the rams is like

Car combat

Slamming and grinding and pushing at high speed yeah?

[stone dagger]

for me, ram fantasy is kicking a mech in the face

but same thing really

[jade flame]

Maybe give them Slow when you ram them so they have to stay with you…

[stone dagger]

ram prones targets, and prone targets are slowed automatically

tho they clear it when they stand up......

idk all viable

3ap on rams is my dream (or +1 damage on rams and ap, if we want to prevent 5 damage from a ram)

[jade flame]

I mean a lingering slow mostly

I understand more damage is probably best for Strikers but I’m always loathe to just make bigger numbers

[stone dagger]

that is valid

there are little brain cells remaining in my hollow skull and all they chant is "damage! damage! damage! damage!"

[sharp light]

would shredding a prone character be at all in consideration, perhaps? so you ram a dude, stagger over them, and can then stab them in the face as you like without worrying about armor or resistance

[tawny owl]

Theres also the route of making a core bonus related to it. Since it's not the only g&s mech that likes to ram it may make sense

[jade flame]

A trait on JH, unfortunately

[jade flame]

I cooould also CB it yeah

Gonna spin that

[harsh stirrup]

For my own two cents, i do feel like there are enough ways to deal damage with ramming that making it deal AP damage I think might skyrocket its output

Juggernaut already lets you deal 1d6 for hitting something into a wall

And you can effectively ram something like 3 times in a normal round, with the build set up for it

you do still have all your normal weapon mounts that the mech comes with, along with basic invasions (in regard to a grunt), that you can appreciably apply to the problems that cause your ramming to struggle

i think theres also already a move-through-prone trait on the max as well which can also double down on the damage dealt from non weapon sources

[tawny owl]

I dont think ramming three times to deal 6ap damage would feel OP

A max should probably still be doing things that aren't ram though

[harsh stirrup]

It's not the 6 ap by itself, it's the 6 ap + whatever else it has access to, is my thought

[lilac plinth]

Just piping up that I also really love the Max!

[mint agate]

Heyy! I was just wondering what happened to the G&S core bonuses? I had the old version but the new version has no Core bonuses anymore.

[open mist]

In the process of bein reworked I believe

Clanner’s Pride should still be in there iirc? but the only other one that made it to the new version is Lilliputian Mods which are also in a strange spot

[tawny owl]

I think they didn't feel happy with the design on most of them. Clanner's pride is decent

[harsh stirrup]

i really want to run a Max lol

[jade flame]

I’m pulling them apart and trying again

[acoustic stag]

yeah the old core bonuses were jank and not actually very good or interesting. we have one and it's on the right track but we had to retool it a bit.

[hardy forge]

Core bonuses are hard.

The bane of every homebrewer.

[sharp light]

They're so hard it's ridiculous

[spark star]

amen

[tawny owl]

I was trying to homebrew one that let you vent some heat (2 to 4) every time you use a repair charge during a stabilize, which seemed neat, but had no idea what to do with the second part of it (where it commonly has an accuracy to a certain ability roll)

[clear rivet]

Just read that the Magarac is being retooled for a mobile operation base, which will prove extremely useful for some ideas im working through. I hope it's all coming along nicely!

[mint agate]

Ah that's fine. I am definitely looking forward to it!

[acoustic stag]

we got a solid framework

and some other ideas cookin'

brewin'

roastin', even

[clear rivet]

Would it be rude to ask if theres a soft eta on some playtest MOB materials?

[jade flame]

No, but the answer is also No due to, you know, The Horrors

Also any kind of playability for them will have to involve Not Using CompCon

Bc I do not know,,, how that’d work

[stone dagger]

now having played a max with a homebrew system that gave it 3ap on rams

this shit is SO great

if its still in consideration to be reworked like that, i now have playsession-backed evidence it would be an awesome change

[lone rose]

The Max fucks, another player in my current game has been running one the entire time and it’s been awesome. The bit of flavor that it uses an older, non-coldcore reactor has also given us a lot of fuel for fun moments.

[paper spade]

Nice pun lmao

[lone rose]

Hehehe, glad someone noticed that!

[tawny owl]

Does it involve looking for fuel in areas where it's scarce? Maybe it it's like the Delorean, which can accept trash in place of gas 😄

[lone rose]

So far it's mostly involved nuclear explosions and threats thereof, the Max pilot in my party treats it almost like a Castigate that lets you eject first lmao

But in a very fun way

It also interacts well with my pilot, who's got some fire/explosion-related trauma

Ours isn't the kind of game where we worry about finding fuel, but if it were then that'd probably be part of it too

[frank sand]

Just to tap in, the mods on Anansi don't seem to be tagged entirely right as when I have them unlocked they aren't equipable, my best hunch if them being tagged with usable on rifle but not specified what mounts

Regardless, damn I love Grimm & Sons

[lone rose]

The Scheherazade’s pistol has the same issue

[loud minnow]

question!

grimm and sons is primarily just the mechanics and fluff text of the mechs

do you think at some point, we will see more lore and story and documents fleshing out the different houses of grimm and sons

their culture, their planet/world, etc etc?

[velvet swift]

Just a reminder that I love pain, horror, and I've already run lancer on index cards cause we couldn't print actual paper sheets or have access to the internet once

Heheh

[jade flame]

I would appreciate the help honestly, and I can’t be too picky at this rate

I’ll see about cleaning up my notes over laundry tomorrow and see if we can’t get started

[velvet swift]

Sure

Also I run like 4 groups ATM. So if I really need to I can hammer this into all of them

[jade flame]

Mass is good!

[velvet swift]

Just ping or pm me whenever 🙂

[jade flame]

Ofc thank you ; w;

[velvet swift]

Now I must away to sleepy land with the wife

[velvet swift]

I am now alive and no longer quantum

[acoustic stag]

absolutely, yes.

[loud minnow]

YESSS im so excited to see that eventually

[jade flame]

Moid actually did art of their Homeworld!

Once upon a time, at the edge of Orion's Belt, there was a Lonely Cradle

and i wrote about it Herreee

[loud minnow]

God this is beautiful

Genuinely, absolutely beautiful

It's got the anthropology student in me giddy for more

[visual orbit]

Is there a fixed version of the LCP somewhere?

[acoustic stag]

yeah like the Clanners themselves are funky and a lil weird

think of them as socialist keebler elves

[naive rune]

some of them are funky, and some of them are "funky"

and then there are those that are funky

Basically the vibes change from clan to clan on a triangular scale between smurfs, the scooby gang, and hard edge all black beret wearing marxist beatniks from the 1950s

[north wagon]

They are all armed.

[naive rune]

https://youtu.be/UQHJwwiL6WQ?si=wwzRjneINjBtGLco

[jade flame]

closer actually to the revolutionaries of the 20s and 30s, there's a lotta the IWW i've dumped into them

[naive rune]

ah, spanish civil war type stuff? The republican side, obviously

[jade flame]

American, mostly. Things like Blair Mountain, Haymarket Square

It bleeds together as you stretch it out, but diving into the American Workers Movements before State Repression crushed them to death, that’s where I got the bones of G&S

[loud minnow]

im excited to see how each clanner group differs, too

its gonna all be so neat

plus Lonely Cradle is such a neat planet concept

"its almost perfect, so we chiseled it into perfection ourselves"

[jade flame]

Most of em look like people, so see if you can’t spot the buckles Moid gives em

(Well, weirdly youthful people in full exoskeleton rig, here to try and pill the locals on “permanent Industrial Revolution”)

(Every CentComm has liked them for different reasons)

[naive rune]

we were having a friendly chat in the general channel about samurai pizza cats

as one does

and the giant pagoda that's also a gun was brought up

the one they shoot out of when they go fight the baddies

which made me realize the thing I would like more than anything else to be in the MOB rules for LANCER is an optional module at the base that's just a gun that launches mechs

[north wagon]

Promare's firetruck command centre coming with a fucking folding cannon.

[naive rune]

I wish I was young and cool enough to know promare

but I'm not

I know samurai pizza cats

[north wagon]

Post-apocalyptic emotion fire storms leading to the rise of specialist firefighters and counter-terrorist units, but there is an obvious twist about the nature of the emotion fire mutant humans.

Good film, there's some accidental Tengen Toppen Gurren Lagann overlap.

And, of course, firetruck command centre with a folding cannon.

[harsh stirrup]

samurai pizza cats is about, well, samurai pizza cats

broadly similar to the teenage mutant ninja turtles

https://tenor.com/view/samurai-pizza-cats-gif-24768683

[north wagon]

It helps that the English dub and release is entirely dissimilar and disengaged from the original Japanese release because almost no-one spoke or could understand Japanese, so they wrote scripts wholesale and split up footage for whatever.

[jade flame]

Yeah it’s the IPSN one

Which I mostly am themeing for White Base

And how gundams launch

Where’d I put that

IPS-N MARIANAS
White Base
Size 5
Sensors 8
Speed 3
Passive: Characters who start their turn adjacent to the Marianas may gain +3 Speed when they Move Or Boost (as long as the movement begins adjacent to Marianas), may only move in straight lines, but also Fly. its shooting you out of its mag-launchers okay you’ve seen gundam.

[naive rune]

https://youtu.be/P3ALwKeSEYs?si=Tb1VKkWd7sZSKzZz

[frank sand]

Quick question, does Belt of Roland from Orlando 3 increase thrown by 5 to a max of 5 or does it stack?

[jade flame]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/trying-to-grimm-92665227?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link

Hi! We’re bad at this but like

Well I’m bad at this and moid and I have been trapped in capitalism hell

So we’re trying to give ourselves a better schedule and platform for what we do with G&S

Moids gonna handle more updates through here while we get stuff ready for regular updates

[acoustic stag]

I've been wanting to do more with GnS for a while now.

It's been hard to do so while doing commission work.

Turns out; I've been burnt out on commissions for a fucking while!

And I want to really commit to GnS and my first big ol' step towards to that is trying to do that via the patreon.

it is a little hard to do that given that patreon nuked their fuckin' goals for no reason.

but y'know

seriously why did they remove that feature that doesn't make any sense.

[jade flame]

And I’ve transitioned to Menial Labor which also sucks the life outta you, and general uh, existing difficulties. But a schedule and clearer goals for us both should hopefully help the two of us get our brains outta the sludge

[acoustic stag]

the horrible part is that finishing books like this takes time, money and effort. time, money and effort that's been hard to accrue.

The lcp is, of course, gonna remain free. because of course.

And I'm still gonna upload finished art here.

But make no mistake I wanna commit to putting this together.

[open mist]

Godspeed y’all, excited for whatever comes next and jazzed with what’s already here

[loud minnow]

Take all the time you need! Between the art, and the mechanics we already have, you guys have made such amazing work, and you have other things going on in your life.

I look forward to seeing what comes next

[acoustic stag]

😤

[naive rune]

Done! Hoping you have an easier time of it going forward

[acoustic stag]

thank you!

...oh actually! this makes me think

maybe I could start putting up some sketches on there?

ngl one of my favorite fuckin' things is

bouncing ideas off folks

i LOVE showing people what i'm working on

the thing is showing it publicly is essentially just like spending hype early

which means i have to keep stuff closer to the chest until it's done

which is why i rarely post anything other than finished art

but showing WIPs on patreon?

there's way less folks viewing it

haha

[naive rune]

I mean, I'd love that

If you feel comfortable doing so

[acoustic stag]

@jade flame how you feel about that

[acoustic stag]

well i actually went ahead and put up the old version of the cover art up on the patreon.

now my own experiences with patreon aren't good (and it's a big reason why i was afraid to do it again) but maybe this time will be different.

maybe.

[tough sedge]

Hopefully

[naive rune]

I'm not sure where playtesting of the G&S rework is at, but maybe you can offer the beta version as a patreon reward, with the caveat that it's all still liable to change? nothing like exclusive content to get people signed up

[jade flame]

I mean we were just gonna shotgun the lcp out at yall

[acoustic stag]

^

like lcp as free is pretty normal and we're not going to change that on account of we want it to be easily accessible.

[naive rune]

I mean that's more than fair all things considered

[acoustic stag]

BUT stuff like deeplore?

[naive rune]

oh yes

[acoustic stag]

and the text and prose we're gonna be cooking?

well

gonna be cooking

we are cooking

[naive rune]

give me the L̴̽́Ö̷́̄Ŕ̶͠E̶͒́

also, prose? we're getting poetry up in this mother?

[jade flame]

I mean if I do it right

[acoustic stag]

oh also i think i've actually decided i am gonna keep on doing comms but definitely gonna rethink my pricing lol.

i think i need to have a healthier balance of personal projects and comm work as opposed to what i've been doing

[faint coyote]

that's good to hear!

I have a small batch of mechs that I basically can't imagine the art for as done by anyone else so indefinitely closing commissions would've been real sad on my end.

[acoustic stag]

yeah! but be warned it is gonna be higher than my current prices.

I'm currently weighing my options but I do want to make sure that it can still fit in folks' budgets.

[faint coyote]

hey that's why I save up for

side note do you do batch discounts?

[acoustic stag]

Yes.

I did so for Vkiller

[faint coyote]

sweet

[acoustic stag]

also yeah a big reason for it is that there's a pretty big monetary stressor in my life and it didn't really click how uhhh

severe it was until i had a stress dream about my teeth :U

i had to get braces for medical reasons but because i'm nearly 30 insurance refused to cover for it.

so that's an extra 400 a month just gone

the united states is a great place

what a functional fucking country

[acoustic stag]

but between that and freelance taxes it's been a hell of a wakeup call :U

[tough sedge]

Oh you did V-killer? The art in that is killer. Ad yeah sorry to hear that...

[loud minnow]

I fucking feel this, im So Sorry you need to deal with this kind of nonsense

[acoustic stag]

something something luxury bones

[loud minnow]

Something something "we won't fix the insurance covered issues in your mouth until you fix the non-insurance covered issues first :)" Is my experience with the dental industry

So I can only imagine how frustrating your situation is

[acoustic stag]

oh it was like "Okay so it should be medically necessary right? It's an orthodontic procedure-"

"Oh no we stop covering braces after your 19th birthday. You were a decade too late."

they didn't even let me negotiate lol

and honestly it was either just live with migraines that were debilitating enough to lay me out

or just

eat the bill

[loud minnow]

I FEEL THAT

🫂🫂

[acoustic stag]

So yeah that's a part of why I've been much slower doing commissions this year than last. That and I made slightly more money in 2022 than I did in 2021.

And freelance taxes are fucked.

Like they're nonsensical.

So because I was slightly more successful in 2022 than I was in 2021 that meant that I suddenly had to pay a shitton of money this year!

despite adding all my deductions.

nevermind that my savings are being actively drained by all this shit.

like if you wanna know why GnS hasn't been getting as many art updates that's a big reason why.

I literally cannot afford the time to!

Like hell there are artists I'd love to pay to do art for it but I can't pay them when I have to divert funds to this.

A kickstarter might be an option but a campaign is a bear unto itself.

apologies for just whipping out the anger it's been like

I have been holding this back for a year

lmao

[loud minnow]

Nono, its very fair for you to do so

Its been impacting this work, but also the rest of your life

[acoustic stag]

anyway i give the american healthcare system a NotGood out of Ten.

[acoustic stag]

anyway that's enough anger.

I'm in the process of hacking through the LCP.

see if I can't add the NOEL to it as well as some of our less balanced core bonuses. Mostly to see if it works.

we dooooooo need to like

get the MOB rules out properly.

at some point.

But for now I'm getting this part done because I mean

i'm the freelance artist :U

keep an eye on this space.

[loud minnow]

Admittedly I'm very excited for more stuff for this to come out, because I have an idea for a campaign to run down the line after my current one, that includes G&S

But also my current game is going to take months and world building that is also going to take a while So

[acoustic stag]

hey with any luck we might be able to finish the book up by then lmao

[loud minnow]

Lmao

[loud minnow]

Its like, a world's Faire for Mech and tech company on a newly union-joined planet (lots of politic on that), that is a showcase for "smaller, more local, indie companies to enter the main stage" (lots of politic on that).

A powder keg of smaller companies and a planet that didn't want to join union all that much, it's local politics teetering, and a giant yearly event of joy on the planet, feeling more like an act of public appeasement this year. Nothing could go wrong at all

But I specifically want to include companies that come with really interesting location lore as well , and so G&S is one that I'm like 👀👀 cause its all so neat

[loud minnow]

And the bits of lore and worldbuilding that we've gotten to see are all so neat

[acoustic stag]

hmmmm

hmmmmmmmm

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[loud minnow]

Hmmmm?

[acoustic stag]

i'm digging into affinity publisher

wish me luck

[loud minnow]

How dare you remind me that I need to do that as well lmao

It's one of those two programs that I really need to learn to further my skills in art and tabletop design

But there's like so few lessons on it

@jade flame taking a quick look I don't think the original message is pinned, would we be able to get that pinned when you get the chance !

[jade flame]

oh, that'd. probably be wise? i've been. hesitant about just pinning things

bc like

i can. but every other forumthreadperson. can't.

[hardy forge]

In every other thread, stuff's been pinned via asking mods. And I don't think I've ever seen such a request denied. So it's not like you'd be doing anything that other threads don't have.

[jade flame]

Fair fair - w-

[loud minnow]

I only specifically ask you cause you happen to both be a mod and the OP

[loud minnow]

Sorry if i made you anxious or uncomfy with asking, i had done the same with Ikiryo and Ironleaf!

[jade flame]

nono its okay~!

[loud minnow]

Ty!!

[acoustic stag]

completely not surprised lol

[jaunty sail]

Affinity is very good, I'm a bit rusty with it but if ya need assistance I might be able to help, or ask my frined who showed me it

[acoustic stag]

oh that would be excellent

I'll hit you up for tips on it soon enough

also i am like wondering if it wouldn't be worthwhile to retool the patreon into something specifically for RPG projects

as a team thing

I'm mostly saying that because making a new fuckin site and forcing people to migrate over there would suck

[jaunty sail]

Keep in mind I haven't touched Publisher in like 2 years, and I used it for an Unknown Armies project

but I'll try

Affinity also has an entire library of very useful tutorials

[tough sedge]

What is publisher/affinity if I may ask?

[jaunty sail]

It's a PDF editor

[jade flame]

Yeah, I use it to put together finished games as pdfs

Maybe. Not an appropriate link.

[jaunty sail]

it is jank but damn I'm proud I actually made it

[jade flame]

For here specifically

[jaunty sail]

ah

[jade flame]

Maybe reminisce in #game-design-discussion

[jaunty sail]

I can remove it if needed, i just wanted to give an example of stuff you can make with Affinity

[jade flame]

Prefer to focus on the project moid n I are doin

[acoustic stag]

I would still love to see it though! Like maybe send it to me via DM

[jaunty sail]

sure thing!

[jaunty sail]

https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/learn/publisher/desktop/ @acoustic stag aight I made the Lancer Homebrew Template into an Affinity Template and also found a page with a bunch of affinity tutorials, here ya go!

[acoustic stag]

thanks much thanks much

[jaunty sail]

NP!

god I'm having flashbacks to the time I used this for UA

That stuff wasn't even that bad, this is gonna be a lot more complicated.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtQWi0Ez-6QadDL8oUPGJ5uu9mQyMm-aa also found a massive playlist of tutroials from an affinity creator

I will say, my template is incredibly jank, but at least you can use it

[naive rune]

That's the Grimm way

[harsh stirrup]

i think the only thing i ever used was indesign

[loud minnow]

Oh I'm going to be stealing this I've been looking for something like this for a while

[acoustic stag]

well

i'm fucking cooking

My immediate first impression with Affinity is that I definitely enjoy it a lot more than I did indesign

[harsh stirrup]

oh? that actually piques my interest lol

I found indesign quite usable but i havent touched it in like 7 years

[jade flame]

I found Affinity really nice, making zine like games, but in Moids hands it’s

So stronger

They cannot be stopped

[acoustic stag]

i'm already getting ideas for assets to slap in.

i got inkscape open and i'm throwing my sketches in and turning them into svgs for evil use

[acoustic stag]

i'd show y'all previews buuuuuut that's patreon fodder now.

at least up until more progress is made.

[jaunty sail]

glad to have helped Moiderah's ascent to godhood

[acoustic stag]

i am cooking and i want to show stuff but i also know that it would be better to hold it close to the chest until it is time

[hardy forge]

Isn't that just the worst? "I really really want to show this stuff off, but..."

[acoustic stag]

pay me on patreon and you will see an update-

i mean honestly i will be showing some updates here but for obvious reasons i can't show it ALL. that saiiiiiiid

we are making some pogress on the playtest version.

[open mist]

I really do love that lineup shot, sells the scales in a way even the core book spreads don’t quite manage I feel like

[acoustic stag]

also i am thinking that eventually i am gonna just retool the patreon entirely; i've actually been mulling it over for a bit!

[acoustic stag]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/weekly-update-11-93055875?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link

[jade flame]

cannot overstate how powerful moid has become with layout

[acoustic stag]

also because i know y'all can't see it

we currently have a lot of core bonuses in the pipes.

[tough sedge]

Oh nice!

[acoustic stag]

heehoo

hmmm actually i'm gonna hide that

but progress on the layout is goin'

[acoustic stag]

WHY ARE LCPS LIKE THIS

[tough sedge]

Because they secertly hate you and everything in this world, but mostly you /jk

[acoustic stag]

i knew it

[tough sedge]

(But seriously I messed around with it a bit and I am pretty sure there are like so many errors in mine cause it's weirdly exact, if that makes sense)

[paper spade]

This is looking really good! Hope you take a pass at the kerning around that T though

[acoustic stag]

yeah there's actually a lot of kerning problems throughout the book that need to be looked at

I'll get through it on an editing pass.

i like Ostritch Sans but it like

Sometimes Gets A Lil Funky

because of how thin the letters are

it makes kerning problems extremely obvious

[paper spade]

Yeah... is it an affinity thing or just Ostrich not having proper kerning info?

[acoustic stag]

The latter.

it's an absolutely gorgeous font and I did make things slightly easier for myself in that I only used it for big titles.

and more importantly it's like 100% free

only restriction is that I don't sell the font as my own or claim i made it.

It's still like my favorite font because of how imposing it is.

there's a reason i've been using it for years at this point

but its kerning is fuuuuuuuuunkyyyyyyyy

i've kind of accepted it as a quirk

[faint coyote]

Honestly I've found LCPs pretty simple to work with tbh

Unless you're trying to write the entire thing from scratch in which case uh, do not do that

You can slap together a skeleton of what you need with the LCP editor tool and then clean up all the rough edges real easy after

[acoustic stag]

it's more in this case the damn thing just did not want to actually save any of the changes

it might get easier as i work more with it but it was very frustrating

[faint coyote]

Oof

[weak geyser]

I'm very stubborn so this is exactly what I do lmao

it... takes some getting used to

[acoustic stag]

okay so waking up and looking through compcon homebrew

license_id is in fact more complicated under the hood than i thought aaaaaaaaaaaand

uhhhhh

i am a graphic designer and illustrator this is so outside my realm of expertise

[acoustic stag]

i still wanna figure this out though

it'd make the process of making new lcps just that bit easier for the future

[faint coyote]

#lcp-tech-support is decently helpful if you need advice or troubleshooting

I'd offer my own assistance but I'm like, firmly middle-grade in terms of "LCP Wizard prowess" lol

[acoustic stag]

i went ahead and downloaded notepad++ so i could just directly modify jsons but I am still running into the issue of "wow the program does not want me to actually put back into an lcp."

[faint coyote]

So two pieces of advice: A) use visual studio code, it's soooo much better for actually modifying the jsons, and B) for actually compiling, use the LCP editor app: https://cc-lcp-editor.netlify.app/#/

I like VS code because it has a good UI, it formats stuff for me automagically, and lets me know whenever I drop a comma (the most common LCP-breaking issue)

[acoustic stag]

i'm already using the lcp editor app

it's a headache and a half

[faint coyote]

really?

what's giving you issues?

[acoustic stag]

it is mostly trying to edit the IDs to actually be more consistent. what happens is that the file simply does not save the new ID, and whatever data is input is jsut removed. directly editing the json to fit the new IDs is then just kind of a crapshoot and heavily dependent on whether or not the editor decides to behave this time.

I'm going to instead be working on commissions. I have a backlog to finish.

[faint coyote]

That is strange. I've had a similar issue with trying to make new core bonuses in the editor, but IDs for everything? That's a new one. I assume the standardize IDs button on the export menu isn't working for you either?
Definitely consider asking about in CC homebrew whenever you come back to it. Good luck with you Comms!

[acoustic stag]

wound up forgoing the lcp editor entirely.

just did it manually and bam!

[hardy forge]

Yeah, I've found that it's surprisingly easy to just do things manually once you figure out how to get started. Just like any coding, it's a lot of copy and paste.

[acoustic stag]

yeah i had to just

reawaken the part of my brain that learned java in college

waddya know it wound up actually being useful

[stone dagger]

yeah from what ive been gathering thats the most efficient call

the editor seemingly piles up a shit ton of junk data as the lcp gets changed

[acoustic stag]

it absolutely does

[pine iron]

i've been saying it multiple times when lcp making is concerned. learning to do them by hand is much better

and honestly not even that hard given the official stuff is on github.

[acoustic stag]

like after that it's just debugging because it is mostly json problems.

oh also as usual something something patreon, something something grimm and sons, something something lcp, something something auric range

https://www.patreon.com/Moiderah

[acoustic stag]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/cover-wip-93301388?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link

oh also cover art pogress

[open mist]

John Henry

[jade flame]

https://nightmareworks.itch.io/grimmandsons/devlog/639596/new-lcp-new-mechs-new-core-bonuses

hi all of G&S is now, should be, up to date

We haven't got the fluff matching betwixt LCP and PDF yet, but that's less important than getting stuff in ya'lls hands

also i did manage to do this before the day ended for me yaaaay (day got weirdly busy but such is life)

[frank sand]

Awesome awesome awesome!!

[acoustic stag]

Did some very minor edits to the lcp and the pdf

mostly just some formatting issues that wound up happening because google docs is Like That

BUT yeah!

Of course next is NPCs and figuring out MOB downtime.

[acoustic stag]

...

oh christ i have to do the layout for MOBs

https://nightmareworks.itch.io/grimmandsons/devlog/639745/whats-coming-next

[loud minnow]

YEESSSSSSSSS

Im so excited to autistically read through this while on the train

[jade flame]

Yaaaaay

[loud minnow]

Thanks giving???

No no

Thanksgrimming

Typo spotted in John Henry

"grimm and sons to a shine", likely meant to be "took a shine" I'd assume

[jade flame]

Oh, yes, thank you

[loud minnow]

Bunyan System Points are an X

Also Is it having only 1 heavy mount intentional?

[jade flame]

Yea and fuck I thought I changed it to 6 like in the LCP

But no yeah Bunyan is Single Heavy

[loud minnow]

👍

[ancient pilot]

The Overboost and Overdress drones are missing their statlines and deployment range in the PDF. Overall, I really like the angle and gear of the Noel; the niche of a solid supporting frame that doesn't use tech actions is rarer than it seems. In fact, the other big example I can think of is the G&S Dorothy.

[jade flame]

Thank you, onto the list,,,

[nova ridge]

the shotspear is missing the loading tag i think

also, are the Fenrir Shredders supposed to be an integrated weapon?

also, in both the pdf and the lcp, the babe drone has "When an ally within 3 of the Drone is hit by an attack," in its description, shouldnt it say "range 3"?

also, in "Big Blue Friend", it specifies that "You may reposition the drone to any unoccupied space within your Sensor Range with a Quick Action on your turn.", which seems unnecessary, as the passive already says this

(my apologies if this is too nitpicky or the wrong place to put this stuff)

the core power also doesnt specify how long the bubble shield lasts, i assume the end of the scene but it doesnt say

[jade flame]

that's on purpose so you know you can move your great big bubble shield, which i do need to set up as "Til end of scene"

but since it kinda turns from drone to bubble shield, might as well stress it can still move

a little bit of repetition never hurt nobody

[nova ridge]

ah, ok

[junior iron]

If I get to play an Henry, I'll pose golf swinging enemies around with the big hammer

[acoustic stag]

[open mist]

All the limsys numbers seem to be displaying properly now in compcon which is very very nice

[acoustic stag]

a huge thanks to johnny for putting the lcp together because after that it was really easy to edit the jsons

[stone dagger]

hey uh

shouldnt this have the loading tag

[jade flame]

prooobably should, thank you

[stone dagger]

also morgianas are still auxes

no clue if the "push to main" thing was ever set in stone, just something i noticed

[jade flame]

Its something I Was Fuckin Round With

[junior iron]

Oh! I've been meaning to ask, is there any NPC/Templates planned too?

[stone dagger]

gotcha

i'm still heavily in favor of making it a main cause

gestures broadly at the wall of text i had on it

but nice to have the reply, ty!

[acoustic stag]

Yes, actually!

I was planning on hashing a few rough ideas out before hammering them into shape.

[junior iron]

Heck yeah!

[jaunty sail]

For the exceed Tag on the new PDF, the link to Unreals QTA Isn't working

[acoustic stag]

bizarre

I think I might have to fix that in publisher

[jaunty sail]

yee

I had issues with that as well, there's probably a tutorial

Hyperlinks are funny that way

[acoustic stag]

it works in the text editor so I'm assuming it's how it saves the pdf that's messing it up

[jaunty sail]

also I was going to comment on how Stronk the Big Bend was, till I realized that by making it Cone and not Threat you can't use it with Executioner

and also Loading

[acoustic stag]

Yeah

Like

Big Bend has some limits on it.

And again it's Superheavy.

So you're gonna be sacrificing some slots to get it on.

Like it's strong but it's got some limits on it.

which is where it should be.

[jaunty sail]

Yee

[open mist]

Instructions unclear, gyges exbat nuccav has resulted in gun-fu with a brick the size of a schoolbus

[jade flame]

Big Bend is there to fuck up oonnnee guy and everyone around him

[open mist]

I am definitely intrigued by it, especially with bigfoot around now - getting even just one turn each fight to both move, prime a target for Mighty Man and drop the big big hammer is sick

[jaunty sail]

POV a John Henry pilot heard you talkin mad shit about the Clanners.

also I gotta say Bunyan is still one of my favourite mechs from this book.

I'm a sucker for a good defender mech, and this one is no different.

Also the fact that narratively this large lad can power a city, or even larger if you have more than one Bunyan, makes him a proud member of the Huggable Defenders Club. Also BABE Drone is adorable, and also bcz one of my old cats was named Babe so I love it even more.

[jade flame]

People love strikers but i say. What about Defense,,,

[jaunty sail]

Exactly!

You get it.

Who needs to bring insane DPS when I can keep the Tokugawa alive long enough to do that for me.

[jade flame]

A defender is a close range controller, a controller is a long range defender!!

[jaunty sail]

Exactly

Also Bulk Plating on a Saladin, Gorgon, or Tortuga is

Mix those licenses together and you get beauty.

Also I've noticed that a large chunk of Defender mechs are Reaction monsters, and I love that.

The serotonin you get from using reactions is very nice

[jade flame]

Well yeah! That’s the Control

It’s what makes defenders “sticky” and forced attention off the striker

[jaunty sail]

Hmmmm... that suddenly gives me an idea for an Alt Manticore that's more defense oriented... The potential is definitely there.

but that's for another discussion.

[acoustic stag]

oh yeah no there's one art piece i want to do

that is just a Bunyan converted into a building.

[jaunty sail]

Also that cockpit art of inside the Bunyan better be inside the finished book, I looooove that art

[faint quest]

i showed one of my players who wanted to play a marg the new mobile base idea and they already want to play minecraft with my maps by putting points into kobold

[jade flame]

Main CQB
Loading (3), Reliable 2
Range 8
1d3+1 Kinetic
This weapon has three chambers, all of which are reloaded at once. Each attack spends one chamber normally.
On Attack: Expend 3 chambers to change the Range of this weapon to Cone 3.```

changing the Sherry's revolver

[jaunty sail]

ooo I like this better. Gives it some AoE and more base damage kick

ngl Aux weapons are quite hard to make fun...

[jade flame]

The entire idea is trying to catch the love of "Revolvers you can fan"

[jaunty sail]

yee

I'd say this thing having a cone attack fits that fantasy quite nicely

and making it a Main gives it the feel of a rather large six shooter

Also the wording on the cone attack is a bit weird. Having it set to 'On Attack:' is a bit confusing to read.

idk if that's just me or not

[jade flame]

On Attack always reads to me as like On Declaration, yah?

[jaunty sail]

I guess, idk

Like I understand the intent

but my brain just feels weird reading it

[pine iron]

imo it'd have to be a Cone 5 to make using up all 3 chambers worth it. Cone 3's too short to reasonably catch more than one target in it.

otherwise it's better just about always to fire it one by one and pretend the cone bit doesn't exist

[open mist]

Aoe reliable on an aux thats loading is pretty damn good actually

You’re losing the heatgun benefits to make worst case ‘deal 4 damage in a cone 3 for a QA’

Like its a tradeoff compared to catalyst pistols

[pine iron]

it's a main

[open mist]

Ah so it is now

[acoustic stag]

i'd say we oughta see how it feels to use and how often it gets play before we do that but it's definitely something to think about.

never know how that shit's gonna actually feel until you use it.

[loud minnow]

I will also point out that versatility is always also a balancing factor

The fact that it has the versatility of being able to single target three times, Or do a cone, inherently still is a pretty big thing

[stone dagger]

bless the heavens above

very nice change

as an avid catalyst pistols user i can confirm gunzales in their claim of a cone 3 being very very tiny, though

[sweet quartz]

if all goes well i'll be testing the orlando tuesday !

[acoustic stag]

woo!

[open mist]

Would you two want us to try and test the aux morgiana or the new main version?

Lookin like I got the Orlando, Sherry, Max, and Anansi up for some testin tomorrow

[acoustic stag]

I'd personally say the main version but imo @jade flame should have final say ont hat.

[open mist]

Gotcha. It doesn’t appear to be in the LCP just yet and I saw. Half my group taking Sherry LL1 for a 16 damage skirmish lol

[jade flame]

Try out the Main, if it’s not too much

[open mist]

its an easy edit, happy to! Tuesdays are my weekend thankfully

[jade flame]

Yay! Thank you chief

[open mist]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w2OOUP-SZK1wnVOOi4mJ4uHE65IgJLqc0r7muZwgWjw/edit?usp=sharing

the fruits of our labor today

[jade flame]

Meaty and perfect feedback @ w@ so excited to get cracking on a few things

[open mist]

I have general thoughts on the Orlando since I think Eld just tossed stuff in a DM:

Sweet jesus Curtana Impact - I really like the idea, it distinguishes it from stuff like the Nelson/Max/Jack/JH/Volk/Blackbeard who are also all on the 'run at you and Ten Million Ram Curse' but I wonder if repeatable Jam should be a little harder to achieve? At least it's on a normal Save Target. Will want to see it on the future fights where I'll run smaller maps/less movement oriented sitreps/more control, this was a very damage-race kind of fight since I had less time than expected to prepare.

Dogfighting Beacon feels sick as fuck but because of its Limsys nature and somewhat low range, it sort of falls by the wayside during building in how much stronger evasion is on a mech with lock-on immunity, and the amount of movement provided by all its other options. Do I have solutions in mind already? No, my brain is too small for that - but thats the Orlando thoughts. Eld stole the show without even popping core really, that license hits like a freight train and 2 armor makes it very deceptively tough for its mobility and damage potential.

[vocal canyon]

Hiiii I tested the sherryyyy, I wish I played with the morgiana more 😔 the rest of my feedback is on a doc gyr created for us

[jade flame]

Hiiii thanks for liking my weird poetry mech

Sorry about its gun I keep taking hammers to it because All I Fucking Want Is To Fan The Hammer

[vocal canyon]

SO REAL

Dw I would and do eat up silly poetry and Fanning That Fucking Hammer

I think it seems to be in a good spot right now? The damage seems good and I like having knockback as another slippy slidey option

[jade flame]

Sometimes a mirror witch should just put three rounds up a mechs center line

[vocal canyon]

Sometimes I just want to slide a guy into an awful sandstorm and sign my name in bullets on its chassis

[jade flame]

But yeah Dogfight is also something I want to fuck with in terms of action econ and limsys to try and make it juicier

Orlando’s also getting a new weapon and maybe a new system to replace Ascalon Engines to help it disengage

So the knight can do a wheeling charge

[vocal canyon]

Ohhh absolutely!! When I was looking at orlando, I wished there was some way to disengage, move back, and joust again

[jade flame]

There’s a temptation in my back pocket to make the Impact basically a free Slow/Impair if it proves a problem

[jade flame]

If it helps im thinking an armor purge kind of fall back

[open mist]

Ascalon looked cool but it almost seems better on big brawlers like Bunyan & JH, so if people shoot you, you bump the dudes you’re already pulverizing

It is, at least, a very useful reaction

At least for the time being I’m noticing a few Orlando systems got a funny line to tread to avoid similarity with Jack & Volk systems, but I like the niche of all 3 in general.

[jade flame]

I kind of built a bunch of fast brawlers to complement Big Boy Season

So I had to, improvise,

Game design!

[open mist]

Unfortunately you made all the fast brawlers sick as fuck and I don’t wanna lose any of them

[sweet quartz]

yeah we talked with Delilah but the main thing that was noted was that orlando's got a lot of systems to engage

so a few feel redundant with each other

[acoustic stag]

||anansus||

[jade flame]

it helps the jack is playing tribes

[acoustic stag]

and unlike tribes we're actually gonna keep updating it

ha cha-cha-cha

[jade flame]

woooo

[jaunty sail]

Tribes?

[jaunty sail]

Also CURSED

[jaunty sail]

Ah

I don't know this game

Jack is the giantkiller right?

[jade flame]

well the jack is very much playing a high-speed fps game, and its plasmacannon is me playing around with the spinfusor

love the spinfusor

[jaunty sail]

Ok I get it. Like playing Quake.

https://youtu.be/b_MMgBp80Gs?si=x3SsYEEy7aEqLBK9

Found some footage

This shit looks sick

Now I getcha

Oh shit apperantly Tribes 3 is coming soon

[acoustic stag]

i used to play tribes ascend way back when

that game was mismanaged to hell and back

and i'm still mad about it

[jade flame]

I’m still sad I couldn’t find a good way to do banking shots at high speed work as a gimmick

[acoustic stag]

i wanted to learn more tech but then it just fell off

[acoustic stag]

ahhhh

awww

hrmmm

how would that work

[jade flame]

I spent like a week on it

None of it worked without being too annoying to bother

Like the best I think I could manage would be to give arcing on boost but that doesn’t click enough to justify the weapon in my mind

[hushed locust]

what do you mean by banking shots?

[jade flame]

bending shots of projectiles with momentum and creating weird angles of attack

[sharp light]

feel like you'd need to do some weird thing with like, boosting before skirmishing, gain accuracy on an attack against a character you had line of sight on during the boost

[jade flame]

right, like i said, it gets too annoying to be worth doing consistently, drags down gametime to have to think about those things

[ivory venture]

Yeah. The ways I can think of fall under either 'Too simple to feel right' or 'Too complex to feel fun'

I think if I HAD to do something with it...maybe 'Denying reactions if you boosted before the atrack' but that's the simple end.

[jade flame]

Designed originally for use by the shipbreakers of Clan Zahedi, the Maurgleis adapted well to a combat role with few changes. The nexus hive clings gently to the dorsal region of the equipped frame, and releases its flat, scale-like weapon-bodies alongside prompted commands from the pilot- the breacher-scales flit on microjets and bury themselves in a target before flash cooking their own powersource to trigger an explosion. In shipbreaking and mechbreaking both, a line of microexplosions tears armor free and clean.

Main Nexus
AP, Smart
Range 5, Threat 2
3 Explosive Damage
This weapon suffers no Difficulty for being used while Engaged

Orlando is getting a new toy to replace Joyeuse

[loud minnow]

Ooooooo

[stone dagger]

oh that lore is beautiful

big fan

it is however a nexus (already subpar weapon class) with very low damage for its mount size (3 explosive :[) and a gimmick that can be replicated by taking combined arms 2, and if orlando keeps the astolfo it already wants to take combined arms 3 (which includes ca2, logically)

summa summarum, i think you can afford to buff this thing a lot

off the top of my head "This weapon makes 2 attacks"?

idk, you got this!

[jade flame]

its an ll1 dip, nexii are fine, its got low damage because its AP and flat and gives a handy little bonus for people who just don't take CA because their build is different

there's a lot of ways to handle building things, and i'd rather not radically change it before i have a chance to see what it does in the field.

[open mist]

AP, smart, average damage guaranteed nexus with CA2 stapled to it is actually Good

Hello walking armory and Centimane to prime for melee builds

[wheat loom]

Also,
Threat 2. Threat 2's nice.

[loud minnow]

Threat 2 with no difficulty from engagement, no less

[wheat loom]

Also true!

[pine iron]

it also potentially lets you do Centimane stuff off-turn which I think is neat

it's just a nice pew pew. i like the nice pew pew

[acoustic stag]

cool machine =w=

[jade flame]

hi i wanna expand on my reasoning here- the vibe-balance is that 3 AP is equivalent to about… 3*1.5? So like,, 5ish damage? Which is well in line with main weight class weapons. The flat damage is also a benefit because it means you avoid damage troughs from cold dice (though you also don’t gain Spikes the way dice do)

Damage is a finicky thing

[open mist]

Game is hard 😔

[floral oyster]

Also worth pointing out flat damage is great cause you can have a lot more tactical control with it. If I know someone's hp I can guarantee they die if I hit

[pine iron]

AP's generally more like +1 dmg with some caveats but 3 AP without any fuss is quite nice

it lets me skip the pain of rolling a 1 on a d6 weapon

(i am severely overkill-pilled)

[vocal canyon]

teehee testing again today

[open mist]

Just a note, looks like Spiderweb in the LCP/Foundry is not costing heat atm

Also. I don't think Big Blue Friend should stack with invisibility, but it's currently missing that clause.

[sweet quartz]

i'm thriving

personally

i'm the center of attention this time around

[acoustic stag]

😌

[open mist]

hey guys remember when I said Bunyan is a holdout defender to match drake and sal

I dont even know who drake and sal are anymore there is only bunyan core

[jade flame]

it shouldn't!

[jade flame]

BIG! BLUE! FRIEND!

[vocal canyon]

we're gonna ask abt the interactions between B3 and arcing weapons at some point

[jade flame]

its a bubble dome so in my head it applies to arcs

[sweet quartz]

growing big and healthy, big blue friend

[weak geyser]

bunyan? more like fun-yan

[jade flame]

i have gotten feedback before that bunyan core Simply Works and makes Defense the Star, so i think this is a good thing.

[open mist]

So the exact scenario, bombard on the far side of the bubble throws this blast (red one): Leliel is for sure getting big blue, the question is if the bunyan and the drone that is now vaporized would also get the coinflips

[jade flame]

I don't believe so, my general ruling for aura-shapes like this is "At least half inside the zone" and neither of them look In It to me?

If I'm understanding your map correctly that is

[vocal canyon]

how I see it is like; the shell bursts from the middle of that blast and potentially hits all three targets, but the expanding explosion is possibly neutralized(?) by B3's barrier, so leliel (that's me!) flips a coin to see if it hits or not

is that accurate?

[jade flame]

Oh I see how it goes, yes

[open mist]

Gotcha. The wording was about whether attacks pass through it, usually other stuff like Sal hardlight and Napoleon Blinkshield just no-sell it so we weren't exactly sure whether it applied to all or just... inside the actual bubble

[sweet quartz]

I think an easy way to make it clearer is borrow some wording from the napoleon's stasis barrier

but that one does give soft cover

[jaunty sail]

I have never been more offended by something this true. - Sincerely, a Big Sal enjoyer

[jade flame]

Hrmn, yeah fair!

[jade flame]

the intent is definitely "In the bubble=gain effect", counting from allies/bubble rather than damage source, if that makes sense

[acoustic stag]

doing some cracking work on the cover.

will get back to the layout soon-ish, that way i just need to like figure out how to layout the lore and the details and whatnot.

[ancient cedar]

Aight so is anyone upset that there are no more lilliputian modifications as a core bonus or is it just me?

not actually upset just sad cause the prospect of a size half metalmark was fun

[hardy forge]

I believe there was talk some time back that it may become a system of some kind instead of a CB.

[ancient cedar]

Hmmmm I see

[acoustic stag]

hueh

[jaunty sail]

is that the John Grimm & Sons?

[acoustic stag]

it's her....john grimm and sons

[jaunty sail]

Now we wait for Henry Grimm & Sons to appear

[open mist]

not gonna lie this is a godsend as somebody who's been tryin to sketch a john henry from other perspectives for... a long time

bitchin cover right there

[jade flame]

An exotic, specifically

[loud minnow]

oh this is beautiful

[sweet quartz]

holy shit, fuck yeah....

[acoustic stag]

Not gonna be posting this on the socials until later buuuuuuut

it feels fuckin cool to have a cover finally

[ancient cedar]

@white sigil

[white sigil]

ohhh shit >.>

[zenith hatch]

This is genuinely so cool holy fuck, John Henry represent

🔨

[zenith hatch]

I genuinely can't wait to see the lore that goes with the G&S stuff

[acoustic stag]

:3

[zenith hatch]

Praying for hyperfauna/flora details

[gray frost]

I wanna ask
which folk figure is Noel named after?

[sharp light]

iirc noel is named for the jolly old elf himself

[gray frost]

Ohhh i see i see

[jade flame]

Papa Noel yes

A man in a red suit/specter of communism joke

[jaunty sail]

Do we have art of Noel's Revenants?

Cuz I'd love to see those

[junior iron]

oh hot dang

that's a great cover art.

[acoustic stag]

well

now i can absolutely do that as filler art

i was thinking we'd need some because there's some gaps in the book that could absolutely be filled with cute doodles

[jaunty sail]

hell yeah

[shell burrow]

Oh man

Part of me really wants to run Orlando

But I hear theres changes coming soon or updates

Maybe should just wait argg

[jade flame]

Nothing major really

Well, two parts of the license, but otherwise the frame is currently only looking at a few small tweaks

That's just Part of Testing, i would be more than happy to hear what you do with what you've got

More Data Is More Data

[shell burrow]

Im looking up past orlando builds people shared

Did astolfo lance used to be superheavy?

[jade flame]

Yah

It got a complete rewrite since then

[shell burrow]

ouhh no wonder

[pine iron]

i kinda miss the old astfolo, not a big fan of the rewritten version.

[jade flame]

Too bad i like the new one better

[ivory venture]

I think Delilah has priority there

[velvet swift]

I miss the liliputian bonus, but I just keep it as a homebrew exotic now 😄

[jade flame]

I mean that’s my plan too

[zenith hatch]

Oh we're getting G&S exotics too?

[jade flame]

At least one

If any other ideas fall into my lap I’ll toss em in

My rule for making exotics is they have to be too cute mechanically to bare parting with, even if they’re Bad or Fuckt

You want a show? You want a fucking show? You want something to see? I’ll give it to you. I’ll give it to you like I’ve given everything else.
-Last Omnicast from Combat Idol Yuel Jina before her disappearance.
Heavy ???
AP, Loading, Exotic
Range ?
5 Heat (self)
2d6 Energy damage
This weapon, when fired, targets all characters who can draw line of sight to you.
On Crit: The target is Impaired until the end of their next turn.```
my beloved nightmare broadcaster

[jaunty sail]

Isn't that related to Beholder from Auric?

[jade flame]

It is but it’s an example of the dumb mechanic I fob off to Exotics

[ancient cedar]

Look into the mirror

[jaunty sail]

I am now reminded of The Scale from Furi

https://youtu.be/S0PpjQ-Srxs?si=Sk9-9rOdwPYtYWrW&t=158 timestamped

[pine iron]

i'm... not saying she doesn't? was just saying my opinion, that's all

[pine iron]

also THAT IS SO SILLY OH MY GOD LMAO

I LOVE THIS

love me Range Yes weapons

[hardy forge]

I think it's mostly that it's not really helpful (or polite) to say "I don't like this new version", when it was changed by the author for a reason.

[pine iron]

fair point, did want to ask as to why it was changed, when the old version seemed fine imo

[jade flame]

Oh because I found it clunky and inelegant, it too literally recreated the actions of a lance rather than appealing to the fantasy

[pine iron]

fair enough, honestly

[sweet quartz]

having played a bit with it

the new lance is good

[ancient cedar]

here have story of a clanner who has an experience that uh sucks

*Read.*

A twitch of those black eyebrows. She actually read it all those years ago. 
He plays it. Memories of a man who was once him, now, he was no longer. 

On the vidfile, the man who would become the Wight stares longingly into the camera. He looks pensive, licking his lips as if about to say things incredibly difficult to say. 
"I have to tell you that I care for you. No matter where I'll be... I love you."
He looks down, before looking at the camera again. "I don't know when I'll be back. But I don't want to be... just seeing everyone grow old and die. I want to grow old with you. I love you. So. So much. I'll..." He looks away. "...I'll find a way to get rid of this curse that the mountain put on me. So I can go back to the dust of the Lonely Cradle like my fathers and their fathers before them."
He looks at the camera with a slight smile. A smile that would never be seen on the man watching this video today. Then he kisses the tips of his fingers before putting them to the camera, and the video ends.
Drying lines of tears slid down those cheeks. Eyes reddened, misty. A hand wiped away a tear, and an ancient relic looked at the wetness on it. The Eldest of the Bullet Clan finally came home, but his entire life had fallen apart. No one he knew was still alive. None of their children knew of him except in stories told. And the ones who still could help him would eventually wither away and die like all the rest in his life. 
It was a curse, Immortality. 
And he would do anything to be rid of it and life like a normal man again.```

[loud minnow]

fuck

Good shit

[ancient cedar]

thanke

[limber estuary]

Literally just popping in to say I finally took a look at the lore for the mechs and I am loving each and every one.
I'm willing to bet the Max is a favourite amongst many, but I adore it.

[acoustic stag]

people love playing the Max

it just facilitates a really fun playstyle lol

[zenith hatch]

I'm a John Henry/Volk fan myself

[acoustic stag]

JH is my personal favorite

partially because no matter what

PILEBUNKER

[jaunty sail]

There is a chance for me to finally play in a Lancer campaign, so here's hoping I can convinve the GM to let me try out G&S

Bunyan go BRRRR

[acoustic stag]

honestly after this whole braces business is taken care of and i get some extra income i hope to dedicate more art energy to GnS

[open mist]

I can say confidently that no mech has possessed me like the John Henry did in the single fight I’ve gotten to play in that campaign

[jaunty sail]

"Dang, they weren't lying. That John sure can Henry."

[loud minnow]

"She Grimm on my Son till I John Henry"

[acoustic stag]

[EXTREMELY LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER]

[acoustic stag]

Oh yeah also gonna go ahead and post this in here and auric range.

https://gofund.me/57bb0da1

the TL;DR is that for some godforsaken reason, orthodontic procedures aren't covered by insurance past age 19, regardless of the reason.

(well i mean the reason is that the united states is an immoral country run by the worst men alive but you know)

[ancient cedar]

I feel you moid

[iron sandal]

Had a player who likes playing berserker characters and god he loves the max. It and the Alt enyo.

[loud minnow]

Wait the Max has an alt?

[wheat loom]

They're talking about different homebrew

(the alt for the Enyo [from Iridia])

[viscid steeple]

I recently got the LCP for Grimm and Sons, and noticed that there are a few entities that have “PLACEHOLDER” in place of flavor text, and Comp/Con cannot autoscroll to G&S core bonuses, is this a known bug at all?

[acoustic stag]

the entities with placeholder in place of flavor text

is because they literally are placeholders

it's not all done yet.

[viscid steeple]

Ah, just wanted to make sure

Thanks!

Sorry if it was a dumb question

[acoustic stag]

had no idea about compcon not scrolling to the core bonuses tho

nah it's fine

wouldn't be the first time we overlooked something in the lcp

[viscid steeple]

To be specific, it throws an error message when I click on the G&S core bonuses on the summary bar that shows all of the companies and the names of their core bonuses to the left of the main display area.

[acoustic stag]

guh.

somehow not surprised.

honestly core bonuses just seem kind of busted and getting them in at all was a pain. we are planning on doing an update later (based on feedback) so that'll hopefully be a chance to squash that.

[viscid steeple]

Understandable, I wish you luck!

[daring silo]

Heya. A little doubt here, what is a Holocaster? Anansi has the Gumdoll-Class Holocaster.

Is it like the Scathach demi-NHP? Is it something else entirely?