oh hi ada
#In Golden Flame
lyric ivy
minor orchid
Heya thereee!
balmy obsidian
Being sad is illegal.
minor orchid
w-wuh?! what is this suddend handholding
I only have two hands!
and four people tried-
west phoenix
me too breastie
realizing that i have until the end of january until i'm just utterly fucked
balmy obsidian
casting circle
minor orchid
In Golden Ratio
willow needle
what we casting bois
lyric ivy
transgender spell
minor orchid
Transmutation spells!
balmy obsidian
balmy obsidian
Huh?
minor orchid
it makes werewolves stronger
it makes you a doggygirl
dire cloud
balmy obsidian
... huh?
... Huh?
I will huh your huh of my huh because i have no idea why estrogen makes werewolves stronger
twilit star
My IGF players accidentally drove an enemy into reactor meltdown and got a self destruct done on them. So that was fun.
west phoenix
i swear in ch1-2 we caused more meltdowns than wrecks with our chomos
twilit star
It was a simulation so no one was harmed but still funny
That only happens on Structure Templated enemies too so it took some effort
balmy obsidian
dire cloud
That emoji is your fault, Naana.
west phoenix
eleonor repeatedly forgot to eject NPCs
some of them made sense, but for (ch2) ||it was really funny seeing the deepest fairyland staff willingly blow up for their silly theme park||
idk how heat gunny my new build is, its more controller, but it could happen again. we went from half hackers to none because i was running field analyst
[ LICENSES ]
HA Sunzi 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
Integrated Ammo Feeds
[ TALENTS ]
Leader 2, Hacker 2, LEGIONNAIRE 1, Orator 1
[ STATS ]
HULL:3 AGI:0 SYS:2 ENGI:0
STRUCTURE:4 HP:15 ARMOR:1
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:7 REPAIR:4
TECH ATK:+3 LIMITED:+2
SPD:4 EVA:7 EDEF:10 SENSE:15 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
MAIN/AUX MOUNT: Warp Rifle / Pistol
[ SYSTEMS ]
Accelerate, Blink Charges x5, Blinkspace Tunneler, Final Secret```
more just being an annoying bastardyou will NEVER pass a save
thorn hinge
eleonor repeatedly forgot to eject NPCs
I always figure that people can crawl out of their destroyed mechs if they don't eject and if they aren't participating in the fight it's assumed they slip away. And some proportion of pilots end up as casualties too of course.
But if there's a meltdown and they don't eject, well...
west phoenix
no girl it was a meltdown
yeah they dead dead
thats serenity's single kill for the entire campaign lmao
and that NPC immediately charged her and blew up in her face
i believe that was the first combat actually, very fitting
thorn hinge
I've had some narratively appropriate "they didn't survive that" NPC deaths on regular destroyed too. The archer that shot Kraken after they ejected got cored out by Gabriel overcharging to triple tap andromeda - sol -andromeda so there was nothing left of that pilot, just a smoking hole clear through the frame.
Or Howl's Brutal I crit with a DD288 on a sniper with 2 hp 1 structure left.
clever cloud
ok, i need to double check but im pretty sure ejecting isnt an npc action
lyric ivy
by default no
thorn hinge
correct
clever cloud
Definitely not dismounting
west phoenix
eh you can just say they do that, i don't want to kill a bunch of people lol
clever cloud
boooo
thorn hinge
rules as written, veterans can dismount IF they get the optiional trait for it. And it doesn't let them remount.
west phoenix
serenity has gone out of her way to save people who don't deserve it
she's not gonna stop
balmy obsidian
We just have them eject honestly
thorn hinge
Lancer's rules for pilots outside of mechs are... I'll be charitable and say "a bit light"
clever cloud
oh certainly, im just finding excuses as to why i forgot
lyric ivy
whether a pilot ejects or dies is honestly just a moment to moment decision for me
thorn hinge
yea
west phoenix
oh certainly, im just finding excuses as to why i forgot
he was just employee of the year
lyric ivy
if a player says they want to be extra careful not to kill then sure
otherwise i assume the pilot is either surrendered or dead
thorn hinge
Unless something happens that gives a particular NPC narrative weight, most of the pilots my team faces simply cease to exist after being destroyed. Might be dead, injured, might escape on foot; it doesnt matter to our story so we don't care to think about it.
But sometimes something happens with an NPC that gives them just a bit more weight. The hornet that spiked Kraken down a pit and earned their undying rage. The archer that shot a player on foot. The Berserker Hellhound with the callsign "GrabAss" that the entire team reacted to with disgust (Calamity saying "Ugh, that guy") If an NPC does something notable their fate gets a little more detail. Even if it's just coming back again in a later fight. "GRAB. ASS." showed up later with the new, more insistent callsign as a veteran assassin and managed to escape again. So now I gotta do something special for his third appearance.
west phoenix
for our last combat there was a hornet that we called 'PIP'. he wasn't a great person, but i was gonna do everything to make sure PIP could walk away from the fight
especially funny because i was just chilling on the high ground while my team (ch3) ||beat bad star's ass. so serenity was just sitting up there with PIP like "this guy is your inspiration? rethink your life choices dude"||
we will never see PIP again, but i hope he gets better :)
lyric ivy
Unless something happens that gives a particular NPC narrative weight, most of t...
yeah this is how i do it, 95% of enemy pilots just stop existing and thats fine really
and uh, squads are definitely most certainly capital D Dead
west phoenix
oh yeah its impossible for them to survive lmao
crude granite
and uh, squads are definitely most certainly capital D Dead
No, I use my DD/288 nonlethally
thorn hinge
There's some casualties there but yeah it's. well. First combat of the campaign, very first show, Kraken shot at a squad with a nexus weapon and we all stopped for a second to consider what that might look like...
west phoenix
pretty sure the howitzer one shot them, or nearly did
lyric ivy
There's some casualties there but yeah it's. well. First combat of the campaign,...
in that same combat when i ran it i think a berserker took a friendly fire swing at the squad and that was fun to imagine
well, "fun"
thorn hinge
That was the berserker I named Grabass, lmao
crude granite
Maybe they shouldn't have brought a berserker then? Skill issue
lyric ivy
silly pirates, should've just (ch1) ||not tried to steal the food back smh||
thorn hinge
though the veteran cataphract from the same fight became a recurring friendly NPC, an old friend of Calamity's from back in the day. He's even got his own sideplot going on rn.
lyric ivy
i fondly remember that fight because a mech went down combat 1 lmao
west phoenix
this is how she bagged that butch
west phoenix
i fondly remember that fight because a mech went down combat 1 lmao
... how
lyric ivy
hive :)
west phoenix
we have one of our players take 2 structures
lyric ivy
and @crude granite basically won the sitrep himself due to 5 speed everest gaming
west phoenix
disgusting
lyric ivy
"noooo you should put only points in hull at ll0" yeah well check this escort win
crude granite
and <@220623725932969985> basically won the sitrep himself due to 5 speed everes...
I love when nobody else does the objectives
west phoenix
500 structures
looking at my LL6 build i need 4 systems, feels bad
luckily i don't use much heat in theory, i have an annihilator for overwatch
lyric ivy
I love when nobody else does the objectives
to be fair, one was pinned by a cataphract and another was fighting for his life against the grunts
-# i wish someone would pin me against the wall like that cataphract
what was that did you hear anything
west phoenix
impale
safe glade
I love when nobody else does the objectives
Oh, are we back to talking about Overwatch?
west phoenix
NOOOOOOO
crude granite
We do have carts
safe glade
(please do not go back to talking about Overwatch on my account)
west phoenix
yeah no other game has that
lyric ivy
yeah only overwatch ever had carts and zones
every other game ever is an overwatch clone
west phoenix
overwatchlike
crude granite
Overwatch is Dead!?!? For Real this Time!?
lyric ivy
game journalists on their way to call any hard game ever a soulslike
west phoenix
y'all about to be dead if we continue overwatch talk
lyric ivy
Overwatch is Dead!?!? For Real this Time!?
6 billion views on youtube
west phoenix
kill 6 billion views on youtube
nova mason
Overwatch talk detected. D/D 288 Impact Incoming
thorn hinge
It would be very on brand for blizzard to kill the project right after they announced a trans woman hero
lyric ivy
*Overwatch talk detected. D/D 288 Impact Incoming*
did i hear peak mentioned
crude granite
*Overwatch talk detected. D/D 288 Impact Incoming*
Doomfist reference?
nova mason
It *would* be very on brand for blizzard to kill the project right after they an...
almost beyond parody
lyric ivy
Doomfist reference?
NO
nova mason
Doomfist reference?
jail
lyric ivy
dont worry chat i'm adding an ultra operator commander next combat just for that one
west phoenix
YEESSSSSS
tame tide
But sometimes something happens with an NPC that gives them just a bit more weig...
Mission 5+ spoilers ||Ass, grabbed in flame||
west phoenix
i'm trying to think of funny ultras
lyric ivy
(ch2) ||Thermopylae|| but Kiros solstice rain shows up
crude granite
dont worry chat i'm adding an ultra operator commander next combat just for that...
The one non-rebake I assume
lyric ivy
no hold on, i'm adding kiros to (ch2) ||anti-capital|| actually
lyric ivy
The one non-rebake I assume
of course
west phoenix
like support and tank ultras are a funny idea but seem like they're not as threatening as an ultra
lyric ivy
exactly as presented in solstice rain
crude granite
like support and tank ultras are a funny idea but seem like they're not as threa...
I've heard it explained as making it significantly harder to do the optimal strategy of killing the healer
thorn hinge
Mission 5+ spoilers ||Ass, grabbed in flame||
I am considering this, yes :3
west phoenix
yeah i suppose so, wondering how it would work with a priest
i have a combat idea with an ultra priest and i'm considering... how
luckily rebake ultras have a lot more options
crude granite
Priests specifically would be rough
lyric ivy
Does it come with an elite hive?
AND the veteran pyro
west phoenix
Priests specifically would be rough
yeah but like, what do they do? they usually just go up to a striker and hug them
i guess you need to add some ultra optionals and it could be fine, just gotta figure out what
crude granite
I mean rough as in hard to make work
west phoenix
ah, yeah
lyric ivy
i guess you need to add some ultra optionals and it could be fine, just gotta fi...
those cool rebake ones that are support focused
Rebake Nova Missiles attacks for free if you make no attacks during your turn
west phoenix
true, i've used those before
lyric ivy
or like, Horos V puppet crasher
tame tide
Godhome, pantheon of the Mechs. A boss rush of every boss fight in Lancer 1st party books
crude granite
I think at minimum all ultra supports need at least 1 weapon added so they can overwatch, but other than that they work just fine
tame tide
Rebake Kiros is actually so fun
west phoenix
the hard part is that usually a striker ultra needs like, two dudes to do their game plan
but with a support or defender ultra you need the whole encounter designed completely around them. which is good design, don't get me wrong, and it's interesting to dismantle the fight from the opposite way you normally do
lyric ivy
the solution is to field 2 ultras, clearly
west phoenix
instead of killing the support or controller you gotta go backwards
robust plank
hihi igfers
west phoenix
hello hello hello hello 🦀
lyric ivy
in case anyone was wondering why my name is dd288 enjoyer, Al's Ultra Zealot is why
west phoenix
zealot?
tame tide
Ultimately, converting someone to a DD288 Enjoyer was worth my Ultra being utterly annihilated
lyric ivy
yeah it was a playtest for em
tame tide
Zealots are SO GOOD for IGF
lyric ivy
i genuinely think valk did more work against that zealot but it was funny to actually do the killing
west phoenix
<#1254229800952922193>
oh these seem cool but fuck thats a lot lmao
west phoenix
i may use them for wf act 2, i want to mess around with some alt sitreps as well
crude granite
REALLY good homebrew NPCs
Sell me on em'. They seem fairly underwhelming from reading through them and the one encounter I've seen them used
lyric ivy
Zealots are SO GOOD for IGF
i had one in my (ch1) ||Andros Capella|| fight, and i think the only notable thing it did was destroy a mech with emberlight nexus somehow
west phoenix
i am lizard brain because when i see supplements with like 5+ things i care infinitely less
lyric ivy
the same mech that was killed by a hive before, btw
west phoenix
and that is entirely my fault
tame tide
Sell me on em'. They seem fairly underwhelming from reading through them and the...
Because I get along with Valk, the person who makes them and have heard him and read him talkinngg about hte design processes about it and blogs relating to them
lyric ivy
i do like valk's design rants
west phoenix
yeah i like seeing lancer content with a lot of thought put into them
some are.... sorely lacking
tame tide
I agree with them and none of the traits and systems are "This seemed like good vibes" but alll seems like they have proper purpose and thought, in a similar way to comparing rebakes to CRB NPCs
west phoenix
some people think lancer is pathfinder
hm i am convinced, i could use some spice for wf act 2
especially since (wf act 2) ||it makes BICAM more unique. the concept of zealot alone fits really well||
tame tide
Zealots, Napalms, mesmerists and Vultures are my favourite. All filling roles not really filled in the NPC roster
lyric ivy
i feel like the zealot NPC would fit the ||Bicam|| a lot yeah
vulture could be fun too, but that's more a ||machine remnant|| thingy imo
crude granite
Zealots, Napalms, mesmerists and Vultures are my favourite. All filling roles no...
I do absolutely love vultures
west phoenix
Zealots, Napalms, mesmerists and Vultures are my favourite. All filling roles no...
oh yeah yazzy ran vultures in wf
crude granite
One of my favorite NPCs in any supplement I've found
tame tide
vulture could be fun too, but that's more a ||machine remnant|| thingy imo
||HUC could also use vultures||
lyric ivy
absolutely yes
west phoenix
i'm pretty happy using core and wf rebakes for act 1
crude granite
I'm also about to try out a mesmerist in my Tuesday game
lyric ivy
@tame tide was it mesmerist or prism that had narcissus override, remind me
tame tide
Mesmerist
tame tide
Explodes your head
lyric ivy
yeah uh, make sure you have the latest version of the lcp for that one
hybrid salmon
oh yeah fun third party npcs are fun
lyric ivy
because it was giga busted
clever cloud
have you ever had a spoiler so fucking context-dependent that even if you explain it, it would still be indecipherable?
tame tide
have you ever had a spoiler so fucking context-dependent that even if you explai...
Yeah
west phoenix
did you click what i said
clever cloud
no
tame tide
Which are you speaking about specifically El?
west phoenix
because i think my statement fits that as well lmao
hybrid salmon
I modded a Phantasm into my ||Face to a Name|| encounter
clever cloud
nothing here, i just thought of the times ive tried explaining igf to my wife
tame tide
What's a Phantasm from?
crude granite
I wanna say Suldan?
hybrid salmon
A module called Enhanced Combat NPCs
lyric ivy
am i tripping or is phantasm igf
hybrid salmon
I think I originally got it for its legionaires
lyric ivy
why do three different popular third party supplements have NPCs with a name starting with P and similar vibes
crude granite
Yeah, it's enhanced combat
tame tide
It's very solid for sitreps for new GMs but as I get more experienced I kinda wanna distance some of the sitreps
hybrid salmon
am i tripping or is phantasm igf
IGF has the ||Parallel, which is a similar "i'm in multiple places trickster" type, but Phantasm is an artillery while Parallel is a melee striker||
oh right that's the one with the many sitreps too
tame tide
Not to be confused with the PPG Prism
hybrid salmon
I'm a new gm, ahahah
crude granite
It's very solid for sitreps for new GMs but as I get more experienced I kinda wa...
I've honestly start homebrewing a lot of the sitreps with one of the official ones as a starting point
lyric ivy
Not to be confused with the PPG Prism
aaaaaaaah
tame tide
I've honestly start homebrewing a lot of the sitreps with one of the official on...
Same
hybrid salmon
Made the same encounter mentioned above a Breach and Clear because ||I wanted them to fight their way through the Taychon instead of just be in one room at the end||
lyric ivy
It's very solid for sitreps for new GMs but as I get more experienced I kinda wa...
idk i'm honestly conflicted on them because a lot of the solutions to the problems the sitreps pose are "just kill them"
tame tide
You can do a lot with "Objective, spend actions and increase good clock and bad clock"
lyric ivy
which is like, no i'm not playing lancer to just kill them
hybrid salmon
I think they're still better than deathmatches
and that encounter in the book is a deathmatch
tame tide
I prefer it's rules for escort to base book escort
west phoenix
having a deathmatch every now and then is nice
lyric ivy
yeah but base book escort is fucked so
hybrid salmon
Fair
west phoenix
yeah but base book escort is fucked so
i never run it as written
tame tide
Like, the CRB sitreps it refines
west phoenix
just unfun
lyric ivy
i use valk escort and i like that one now
tame tide
Yeah Valk escort FTW
west phoenix
what does valk's do?
hybrid salmon
I haven't been in a situation yet where escort just craps out on me because some player is doing a big mobility build
crude granite
I use my own rules for escarts that are wildly outside of the normal ones. I kinda just make it a character immune to all damage that can be moved with the normal standard move but also punted around with forced movement and the like
west phoenix
for our game we use that you can use your standard movement even if you don't start next to it, so you can boost or use other movement abilities first
crude granite
If my players spec into movement tools I want them to be able to use those
west phoenix
man there's too much shit to read
clever cloud
tl;dr?
tame tide
hybrid salmon
this doc might take me a while
tame tide
Wait no only the top two
This is a whole house rules doc
You only need to read the sitreps section
And movement
west phoenix
hhhm i don't fully agree with the overcharge change
i like having an extra action, but i like the idea of being able to use overwatch to still do that
hybrid salmon
yeah I also think it's important to be able to use heat offensively without a special module, that's peak mech fiction
clever cloud
if the objective is an object.. you can absolutely break the shit out of it with movement options
blink anchor for example
clever cloud
Nelson...
crude granite
These are my personal objective houserules:
west phoenix
i really like dazed, not sure about overheated. i like the threat exposed has to not just stress yourself for the sake of more actions
overheated seems a lot less scary
lyric ivy
if the objective is an object.. you can absolutely break the shit out of it with...
he did cover that one though
specifically to stop sunzi lmao
clever cloud
that still doesnt tho.
west phoenix
there's still stuff like black witch
safe glade
for our game we use that you can use your standard movement even if you don't st...
Huh, I genuinely thought this was RAW, the description of the sitrep in Wallflower just says they "follow characters who make a standard move adjacent to them"
lyric ivy
you can move an object
i mean, how, im genuinely curious
clever cloud
Huh, I genuinely thought this was RAW, the description of the sitrep in Wallflow...
"start their turn adjacent and use their standard movement"
clever cloud
i mean, how, im genuinely curious
triple ferrous lash..
crude granite
there's still stuff like black witch
IDK, if I'm picking up a thing that lets me move objects i would expect that thing to also let me throw important objects like an objective around
west phoenix
any character or OBJECT
lyric ivy
ferrous is characters, not objects
crude granite
I like more stuff being able to interact with it peronally 🤷
lyric ivy
any character or *OBJECT*
yeah this one i can see being an issue actually
hybrid salmon
I don't think I have the experience to participate in this discussion
west phoenix
warp rifle is exactly the same
clever cloud
dammit tom lancer
lyric ivy
actually i should bring this up to valk, thanks for bringing it to light
west phoenix
i like the idea but there's insane movement options that can make this not matter that much
clever cloud
Ace 3 with any speedy ally
west phoenix
a black witch could move it like 15 spaces in a single turn
lyric ivy
a black witch could move it like 15 spaces in a single turn
again, lash is characters only
clever cloud
Orchis with royal guard just absolutely schmooving
west phoenix
still
clever cloud
the Orchis can ferrous lash an ally during their own turn and surf them 15+ spaces
west phoenix
do you drop the objective at the end of your turn?
if not yeah what eleonor said
PCP, double ferrous lash. well worth an overcharge
normal root
do you drop the objective at the end of your turn?
iirc no
west phoenix
yeet that bitch
normal root
so yeah it would just take two people
clever cloud
JK1 for infinite movement
lyric ivy
the object stops being handled if the person is moved involuntarily
normal root
ah right
clever cloud
the object stops being handled if the person is moved involuntarily
im the one handling it, i just need a surfboard
normal root
I forgot about that handling clause
west phoenix
is teleporting involuntary?
lyric ivy
sometimes
lyric ivy
im the one handling it, i just need a surfboard
oh i see the issue here
clever cloud
is teleporting involuntary?
teleporting has no influence on invol
west phoenix
someone can pick up the objective and you can teleport them with final secret, art of war, blink charges... like everything bro
clever cloud
does handling stop you from actions?
tame tide
if the objective is an object.. you can absolutely break the shit out of it with...
It takes 1 AP Damage for every involuntary movement
west phoenix
eleonor let us use teleporting twice on the objective and it was trivialized
tame tide
I can TSS1 the objective but it will take damage
west phoenix
okay fair, so you just teleport the objective
normal root
average communications involving the Sunzi ||(Odin Valentinian I want to strangle you for different reasons than most)||
lyric ivy
yeah that one i can see being the issue
lyric ivy
average communications involving the Sunzi ||(Odin Valentinian I want to strangl...
genuinely lmao
tame tide
okay fair, so you just teleport the objective
It takes damage equal to the distance travelled
lyric ivy
i'd like this game more without sunzi
west phoenix
i'd like this game more without sunzi
skill issue i like zooming
y'all ever play with an orchis? just as annoying
clever cloud
It takes damage equal to the distance travelled
ok and? simply win anyways???
lyric ivy
skill issue i like zooming
we had a thing for that it was called "Nelson"
clever cloud
as long as it's not dead, i have 19 free spaces i can push it
west phoenix
i like zooming as a controller
crude granite
The Harrison Armories Sunzi and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
west phoenix
can a nelson move 50 spaces as a free action
lyric ivy
The Harrison Armories Sunzi and its consequences have been a disaster for the hu...
sunzi 1, specifically. why are you the way you are
normal root
the RKF Calendula as well (for opposite reasons)
clever cloud
Ok but actually.. Ace 3 with a speedy buddy
west phoenix
blink charges and warp rifle should be reversed lmao
normal root
Spooky Dave and their spell of instant poison swamp
lyric ivy
blink charges could've been 1 single character and still be good
west phoenix
you can just get one of the most powerful items in the game from a single LL dip
crude granite
I never saw the errata for the longest time and thought it was a single character
normal root
Damn you Tod
crude granite
Seemed a bit on the weak end for the SP but much more reasonable
west phoenix
blink charges could've been 1 single character and still be good
eeehhh... then they wouldn't exist
you have plenty of single target teleports
i think one ENEMY and all of your allies is fine
balmy obsidian
every lancer born after July 2020 can't boost... all they know is sunzi 1, accelerate, hullmax and lie
west phoenix
meeeee
normal root
my players vehemently rejected the idea of Single Target Warp nade when I brought up the idea
west phoenix
i reject it purely from the design of the rest of the license
warp rifle, final secret, art of war, probably more, all do that same thing
blink charges should do something else
lyric ivy
every lancer born after July 2020 can't boost... all they know is sunzi 1, accel...
this is true
lyric ivy
you will invest agility and be happy
balmy obsidian
I did and I am
west phoenix
and i think with LL3 and 3SP its fine, they're strong but its a big investment
lyric ivy
I did and I am
joyous
balmy obsidian
well, not right now. Right now I'm in this state where any physical object annoys me
but in general i am happy
west phoenix
maybe i'm stupid but i see realspace breach as like... not useful. i think as an LL1 dip it would be fine
lyric ivy
hyperdense armour slows you? 3 speed? barbarossa? just use accelerate idot
noble ivy
you can just get one of the most powerful items in the game from a single LL dip
The deck sweeper automatic shotgun?
west phoenix
can't you not benefit from your own movement abilities?
lyric ivy
no? why wouldnt you be able to
west phoenix
look girl there's a lot of cases
crude granite
can't you not benefit from your own movement abilities?
Accelerate is always involuntary
west phoenix
you get the best weapon LL0
crude granite
So it gets around everything
west phoenix
... like 4 of the best weapons
balmy obsidian
no you get it from raleigh 3
west phoenix
Accelerate is always involuntary
huh, interesting
lyric ivy
The deck sweeper automatic shotgun?
decksweeper's problem is not actually decksweeper, it's vanguard 1
balmy obsidian
and it's uncle nexus HK baybee
tame tide
decksweeper's problem is not actually decksweeper, it's vanguard 1
THIS IS WHY I DO TALENT REWORKS BAYBEEEEE
west phoenix
Accelerate is always involuntary
is this the case for its other teleportation?
if so thats crazy lmao
tame tide
Accelerate isn't teleportation
lyric ivy
is this the case for its other teleportation?
not blinkies at least
i cant remember the rest, i think also no
accelerate is just special because it's Push
west phoenix
Accelerate isn't teleportation
i know but idk if its involuntary or not
tame tide
It is
west phoenix
the teleportation, i mean
normal root
THIS IS WHY I DO TALENT REWORKS BAYBEEEEE
tame tide
What teleportation?
normal root
also did not go well with my players...
west phoenix
like, all of them. they don't specify
crude granite
What teleportation?
gestures to all of Sunzi
west phoenix
blink charges, warp rifle, final secret, realspace breach, art of war
hell your free action
west phoenix
so if you're slowed you can just drop a blink charge?
tame tide
Yes
west phoenix
i hate the sunzi
tame tide
Is it
crude granite
As someone else put it to me: don't think of teleportation as its own special thing. It's movement in every respect except for ignoring LoS and reactions
west phoenix
i love the sunzi but i hate it
tame tide
Ok Lancer wording IG
lyric ivy
whether movement is voluntary or not is whether you do it to yourself or someone else does it to you
crude granite
It's otherwise affected like movement is in every way
west phoenix
bro did not explain this frame at all
lyric ivy
the reason accelerate is special is because it's called Push
normal root
i hate the sunzi
||another day, another reason to hate Odin Valentinian||
lyric ivy
you can also use Blackbeard's Grapple Cables while slowed
steady adder
maybe i'm stupid but i see realspace breach as like... not useful. i think as an...
i was kind of thinking that would it work as a "gate" or "door" in and out of a saladin's hardlight shield
or as the meme goes 'your homeboy in a tortuga fire deck-sweeper clear across the long rim' because hitting someone from effective range 13 would be very funni, or just having that +10 range for any short range weapon
extremely situational but could be very useful
tame tide
INVOLUNTARY MOVEMENT
When characters are pushed, pulled, or knocked in
certain directions, it is called involuntary movement.
Involuntary movement forces the affected character
to move in a straight line, in a specified direction.
When moving involuntarily, mechs do not provoke
reactions or engagement unless specified otherwise
but are still blocked by obstructions.
west phoenix
||``another day, another reason to hate Odin Valentinian``||
||he's hot and so is his son. sorry||
tame tide
TOM DID IT AGAIN
tame tide
you can also use Blackbeard's Grapple Cables while slowed
That makes sense cos it's your standard move
lyric ivy
killing the sunzi with hammers rn
lyric ivy
That makes sense cos it's your standard move
no, not that one, the range 5 grapple pull
balmy obsidian
me in my sunzi levitating being i am not being pulled by earth's gravity:
west phoenix
> INVOLUNTARY MOVEMENT
> When characters are pushed, pulled, or knocked in
> cer...
does... can it just do that?
lyric ivy
no, not that one, the range 5 grapple pull
well that one does also work but it's unrelated
normal root
maybe i'm stupid but i see realspace breach as like... not useful. i think as an...
I have a fuckass sunzi build I am just waiting to use as a player involving final secret and JK1 to battle bus without ever actually having to carry anyone
west phoenix
idk man. just give me a fucking yes or no at this point
lyric ivy
the answer is sunzi is a freak of nature
west phoenix
I have a fuckass sunzi build I am just *waiting* to use as a player involving fi...
i mean thats just blinkspace tunneler. you battle bus people as a protocol
tame tide
Cat makes sense but I would say blink charging yourself is involuntary
lyric ivy
just like me fr
balmy obsidian
the answer is "go faq diving. Idiot." 
normal root
teleportation is weird- and I've been having to check pilot net every time my half sunzi player drops a warp charge
west phoenix
The answer is there's none
@clever cloud help
lyric ivy
Cat makes sense but I would say blink charging yourself is involuntary
yeah no that's valid i can see it be ruled that way
west phoenix
i need to go for a tiny bit so please keep arguing about the sunzi
willow needle
hi chat 
balmy obsidian
Now you have
tame tide
Did you know ANY voluntary movement can be split up and broken up and interrupted then continued later... I think even with other movements
You can stop a pankrati charge mid charge
lyric ivy
wuh
tame tide
And word of Tom has said you can CLIMB AN OBJECT mid charge
lyric ivy
tom why
normal root
tame tide
If an object is in the way
clever cloud
so if you're slowed you can just drop a blink charge?
you can move everyone but yourself
provoking your own movement is voluntary.. unless it uses keywords like push and pull, which are always invol
lyric ivy
the HA sunzi deserves infinite death i think
clever cloud
The sunzi makes me think Lancer has outgrown Tom's design framework for this game
not to say he's bad or couldn't make more lancer. It's just no longer the same game as on release
(for the better, fyi)
balmy obsidian
Better?
normal root
idk if this comparison will make sense to anyone else but like.
Sunzi Lancer 🤝 The Nurse DBD
Radically movement changing things that color balancing choices from their introduction onward
crude granite
yeah, that tracks
balmy obsidian
Wasn't the nurse there on release?
crude granite
They do it in similar ways too. I think it's a good analogy
normal root
nurse was a very early release
crude granite
Wasn't the nurse there on release?
One of the first new killers, and she's been broken since day one IIRC
normal root
release killers were Trapper, Wraith, Billy
balmy obsidian
Yeha she's always been broken but I thought she was from release
lyric ivy
One of the first new killers, and she's been broken since day one IIRC
oh yeah that checks out
normal root
Blight also works for the metaphor
balmy obsidian
Blight fell out of favor at some point i think
lyric ivy
yeah but what about Bleed and Burn? no plague doctor love in this chat?
crude granite
For context, Dead By Daylight's entire gameplay loop involves survivors stalling the killer by "looping" around terrain and obstacles to avoid the killer who walks faster
Nurse walks slower than a survivor but can teleport through objects, almost completely removing terrain from the equation
lyric ivy
oh so it's more similar than i thought
noble ivy
lyric ivy
this is a video of me
running away from you dj as i learned my long term friend has played dbd
</3
normal root
both blight and nurse (kaneki too kinda as a newer example) break the idea of looping over their knees
balmy obsidian
didn't you play league of legends
lyric ivy
no???
crude granite
Ok Gacha player
lyric ivy
why would i do that to myself
balmy obsidian
I don't know, self hatred?
lyric ivy
Ok Gacha player
man fuck you you've played both league and dbd
balmy obsidian
loathing, sorry, self loathing
clever cloud
They do it in similar ways too. I think it's a good analogy
The sunzi was also very close to Lancer release. It was basically one of the first expansions
lyric ivy
dont need to add league onto it and make it worse
crude granite
Nobody should play League
noble ivy
If you hate yourself maybe you play league
balmy obsidian
Stray bullet
noble ivy
-# I definitely hated myself when I played league... Although I'm not sure if it was correlation or causation at that point, but it certainly didn't help
lyric ivy
your life means EVERYTHING
you serve AN IMPORTANT PURPOSE
you should love yourself NOW
noble ivy
You are as BEAUTIFUL as a summer ant
lyric ivy
joyous
tame tide
interrupt charge with a skirmish
Nothing is stopping you from interrupting a valiant charge with a regular movment
noble ivy
lyric ivy
im pissed at lancer rn im going to run igf in the ICON 2.0 playtest
noble ivy
-# you'll get difficulty every time you say something in french
lyric ivy
no you get accuracy
balmy obsidian
Nothing is stopping you from interrupting a valiant charge with a regular movmen...
In my mind's eye I see a nelson running full speed ahead with pankrati II, "running in the 90s" is playing, then it and the music abruptly just stop and freeze, the nelson slides to the right with the gmod concrete scrapping noise, and then it continues running and the music comes back on
lyric ivy
if you buy me food i'll give you exotics
balmy obsidian
Urbereats you have a new patron as of today
tame tide
BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU START A CHARGE, STOP, BARRAGE, KILL THE TARGET THEN NCONTINUE!?!?!? THE CHARGE BECOMES IMPOSSIBLE!?!?!?!
You destroyed the fabric of spacetime
lyric ivy
if you buy me food i'll give you exotics
hey @crude granite this is also true for you
crude granite
Is that ||fursona|| art a valid currency?
lyric ivy
you cant just say that here
lyric ivy
do you have any idea how much ammo you've supplied them
tame tide
Damn that was a relatively quick turnaround
lyric ivy
ITS A BIT LEO ITS A BIT I SWEAR
tame tide
NNot surprised TBH
crude granite
For the record I like designing government-mandated fursonas for my friends who aren't furries too
lyric ivy
THEY CONSPIRED TO MAKE ME A FURSONA AGAINST MY WILL
tame tide
Nice save, I don't believe it
noble ivy
Is that ||fursona|| art a valid currency?
||fursona|| art is also a valid food
balmy obsidian
The "too" at the end is very telling
noble ivy
THEY CONSPIRED TO MAKE ME A FURSONA AGAINST MY WILL
GET FORCE-FURRED, BOZO
crude granite
But I'm not sure that's the case here ;)
tame tide
Is there an Egg equivilant for a furry?
balmy obsidian
But don't worry Cat I believe you
lyric ivy
i cant fuckin escape
balmy obsidian
For you see I am also not a furry
noble ivy
Is there an Egg equivilant for a furry?
yes
(points at leo)
balmy obsidian
Even though no one believes me
lyric ivy
you're the leader of the "cat is a furry" association what are you on about
crude granite
do you have any idea how much ammo you've supplied them
I do
One reason I brought it up
lyric ivy
i'm going to give you like, an antiexotic gear
balmy obsidian
you're the leader of the "cat is a furry" association what are you on about
I go for the funniest option ever and always
lyric ivy
evil gear that kills you
balmy obsidian
container of evil spiders
lyric ivy
dnd cursed items in lancer
tame tide
i'm going to give you like, an antiexotic gear
Rusty spoon
Main melee
Threat 1, 1d3 Kinetic
Inaccurate, Antiexotic, Inaccurate, Underkill
crude granite
Is there an Egg equivilant for a furry?
There are bird furries, and they were presumably once eggs
lyric ivy
## Rusty spoon
> Main melee
> Threat 1, 1d3 Kinetic
> Inaccurate, Antiexotic, In...
heavy melee
tame tide
Nah that's taking the piss
lyric ivy
indestructible and cant be removed
balmy obsidian
comically large spoon
lyric ivy
i should've told him to run from here before it was too late
tame tide
Fish
Fish
1SPYour mech smells of fish
This system can't be broken as a consequence of system trauma
crude granite
lyric ivy
hear me out: you can destroy it, but it also destroys one other system at random, and creates a copy of fish
lyric ivy
if you have no systems left to destroy your pilot drowns in fish
balmy obsidian
lyric ivy
mfs dont even know that's from lobotomy corporation
lyric ivy
https://youtu.be/LaGP-CVfENQ?si=eStKug74AHFirDBL i can quote this whole clip btw
noble ivy
https://youtu.be/LaGP-CVfENQ?si=eStKug74AHFirDBL i can quote this whole clip btw
“Uh Oh! Looks like the [1d6 + 4 heat] is kicking in!!!”
balmy obsidian
hey that's me last combat spending 4 rounds exposed
lyric ivy
my players at the chapter 1 final boss greeding for that one extra hit (he was literally 1hp)
funny thing is that they missed those
balmy obsidian
that's because i have 10 evasion
lyric ivy
my appreciation has the reliable tag
balmy obsidian
ok make a systems save first
lyric ivy
12
balmy obsidian
sorry my ST is 14
balmy obsidian
no you fool
thorn hinge
Leo's got too much armor for reliable complements you gotta shred him first
balmy obsidian
IT WAS A DECOY
lyric ivy
damn even my online friends are fake </3
tame tide
https://youtu.be/LaGP-CVfENQ?si=eStKug74AHFirDBL i can quote this whole clip btw
The fuck 
lyric ivy
you, me, gas station
tame tide
😳
balmy obsidian
what are we getting for dinner?
lyric ivy
sushi of course
balmy obsidian
uh oh
lyric ivy
looks like there was a roofie inside of our gas station sushi
balmy obsidian
I don't even like sushi :(
tame tide
I have watched this 4 times now WTF
west phoenix
not to say he's bad or couldn't make more lancer. It's just no longer the same g...
oh man y'all ain't ready for me to rant about this so i won't
i have a LOT to say
thorn hinge
same
west phoenix
my takes will get me executed
its genuinely mechanics vs fantasy, which do you value more
balmy obsidian
having a mechanic to fix your vehicle is important
but i don't have one so i will read the books instead
i am making a joke by pretending to not know what you mean by mechanics and fantasy
please laugh
west phoenix
a lot of lancer 3rd party (and some of the CRB) puts fantasy first which either makes the mechanics feel wonky or just absurd
gorgon core power, napoleon, barb
dire cloud
I fell asleep.
west phoenix
most 3rd party and dustgrave feel like they only have the fantasy of lancer without really looking at the mechanics
the CRB usually has mechanics first but there are some exceptions, i think it's generally pretty dang good at what it does. i just think lancer has evolved a lot since release and i much prefer the quality over quantity of 'new' lancer
lyric ivy
My weird heretical take is that GMs should feel free to not play with every piece of official content because there's genuinely a LOT nowadays
west phoenix
and as much as i like to shit on dustgrave (even though its literally just taste) the talents are really fun and creative and work well with a lot of builds
west phoenix
My weird heretical take is that GMs should feel free to not play with every piec...
funny i've often heard that lancer doesn't have ENOUGH content
clever cloud
#1 #2 dustgrave hater
west phoenix
they have pathfinder bloat brainrot
west phoenix
~~#1~~ #2 dustgrave hater
am i #1
clever cloud
ye
worthy root
The only thing I dislike about dust grave is the Super heavy core bonus
west phoenix
i wear it like a badge of honor
icy dove
I recognize those hands
lyric ivy
~~#1~~ #2 dustgrave hater
Hey add me onto the podium
west phoenix
i think the only thing i can say about dustgrave is that the talents are cool and the frame ideas are nice even if they don't synergize
clever cloud
My weird heretical take is that GMs should feel free to not play with every piec...
I can totally agree to this. Generally i do keep 1st party content + legionnaire and maybe the module content, like igf
west phoenix
i think the viceroy is fucking awesome if it had a CQB license
clever cloud
if i were to slim that down, i would remove Dustgrave before i remove legionnaire
west phoenix
I can totally agree to this. Generally i do keep 1st party content + legionnaire...
there's a few i really like, we talked about them last night
balmy obsidian
@worthy root do you regret giving me ESU yet
lyric ivy
if i were to slim that down, i would remove Dustgrave before i remove legionnair...
Yeah that's real
Hell, I've done this
Field analyst makes me want to scream and rip my hair out
balmy obsidian
my iconoclast plays :(
clever cloud
damn, i might be #3 dustgrave hater
clever cloud
my iconoclast plays :(
die in a hole
balmy obsidian
but 
lyric ivy
Don't even get me STARTED on superheavy mounting
west phoenix
i don't hate all 3rd party, i feel like legionnaire, thy hubris manifest, and iphigenia at midnight
dire cloud
I have a weird relationship with people claiming to hate a module, because the people on Interpoint hated SSMR.
west phoenix
probably more but those come to mind
lyric ivy
i don't hate all 3rd party, i feel like legionnaire, thy hubris manifest, and ip...
Genuinely, with zero irony, I like a lot of third party more than 1st party stuff
balmy obsidian
interpoint hates ssmr and pilotnet hates dustgrave, tale as old as time
dire cloud
"Empakaai banned, Orator banned, KSU banned" was a common refrain.
west phoenix
Genuinely, with zero irony, I like a lot of third party more than 1st party stuf...
show me and i'll judge you
icy dove
Why do people hate those two modules? I'm outta the loop.
worthy root
i think the only thing i can say about dustgrave is that the talents are cool an...
I will say sortenbeker fits really well
lyric ivy
Why would I show you if you're judging me
clever cloud
I need supplements that do less
west phoenix
i just want lancer to have a CRB frame and dustgrave rebake to fit with what 'new' lancer is
west phoenix
I need supplements that do less
YEAH
balmy obsidian
I need supplements that do less
Hi I have a new manufacturer for you
clever cloud
Hi I have a new manufacturer for you
you already failed
west phoenix
i love official lancer stuff because its more refined. so much 3rd party just shoves like 15 new licenses 6 talents
balmy obsidian
I know
west phoenix
and i'm like fuck man
west phoenix
I will say sortenbeker fits really well
i think it has trouble being unique late game
like... it just needs raleigh LL2
you don't really want anything else
dire cloud
You want Kinetic Hammer and Uncle.
west phoenix
meanwhile base raleigh you can go caliban, barb, etc
dire cloud
But then I would say that.
west phoenix
okay fair, but still
clever cloud
Why do people hate those two modules? I'm outta the loop.
SSMR is mini wallflower with "NHP rights actually!"
Dustgrave went ahead and said, "what if every mech gets a superheavy now? What if we could torture nhps for deterministic damage??"
west phoenix
frames should want to go outside of their licenses or the late game or there's no reason to take licenses other than core bonuses
west phoenix
SSMR is mini wallflower with "NHP rights actually!"
Dustgrave went ahead and sa...
eeeehhhh not mini wallflower but i see your point
icy dove
See if I made a new manufacturer I would try to stick to the amount of mechs a manufacturer gets in the CRB and if I did more it'd be maybe alt frames for other manufacturers but tbh I actually kinda agree with the bloat point with third party stuff.
west phoenix
'evil NHP' vibes yes
west phoenix
See if I made a new manufacturer I would try to stick to the amount of mechs a m...
i have an idea of like, 2 alt frames and a new license but i am not a game designer
its just vibes for a setting i'm working on
balmy obsidian
neither am I but I pretend I am sometimes
clever cloud
See if I made a new manufacturer I would try to stick to the amount of mechs a m...
that's 5 new mechs and like 25-30 new pieces of equipment and 5 core bonuses. its sooo much
dire cloud
See if I made a new manufacturer I would try to stick to the amount of mechs a m...
That's exactly what I'm doing. 7 mechs for RSEC, plus a license and an alt for the big four.
And the only other thing I'm doing that's kinda bloated is special equipment to enhance talents.
tame tide
if i were to slim that down, i would remove Dustgrave before i remove legionnair...
Legionnaire is cool but of the content it adds outside of NHP copilots, it's two talents. Everything else is easily regulated by the GM or fully narrative. And of those talents I've banned one of them from my table
lyric ivy
SSMR is mini wallflower with "NHP rights actually!"
Dustgrave went ahead and sa...
My issue with superheavy mounting is that it feels so.... homogenising
icy dove
See, that's fine I feel. I've seen stuff that adds like two new mechs for each of the big 4, plus alt frames for them, then like 8-10 mechs for the manufacturer and I just have to ask "why?"
dire cloud
Why do we have two D/D 288 enjoyers?
prime terrace
"Empakaai banned, Orator banned, KSU banned" was a common refrain.
Ksu?
lyric ivy
All supports are now highly encouraged to pack a pocket cpr
tame tide
Religion
balmy obsidian
My issue with superheavy mounting is that it feels so.... homogenising
-# homophobic...
west phoenix
Legionnaire is cool but of the content it adds outside of NHP copilots, it's two...
is it the legionnaire talent?
lyric ivy
Why do we have two D/D 288 enjoyers?
Because we both enjoy the most fun weapon in lancer
tame tide
is it the legionnaire talent?
Shadowcloaked
clever cloud
Legionnaire is cool but of the content it adds outside of NHP copilots, it's two...
this is a positive? only 2 talents is a positive for me. I also like the exotic nhps it offers
tame tide
I had an untouchable swallowtail, and I was frankly untouchable
dire cloud
icy dove
SSMR is mini wallflower with "NHP rights actually!"
Dustgrave went ahead and sa...
Also sorry I got a bit distracted. Is that really why interpoint hates it?
tame tide
this is a positive? only 2 talents is a positive for me. I also like the exotic ...
The exotics and NHP rules kick arse! The fact that of the talents I have banned one however... SInce I don't really ban much
prime terrace
It's this.
oh righttt
KSU my beloved
clever cloud
I cant say much without over-generalizing
west phoenix
this is a positive? only 2 talents is a positive for me. I also like the exotic ...
refined content > more content
i also want to say the igf talents and imp kick ass
tame tide
Now I'm in-between acts I'm very close to banning opcal
west phoenix
perfect amount of content imo
lyric ivy
Idk I honestly think that every GM should absolutely cut, slice and reshape any content they don't like if the whole group finds it more fun
west phoenix
Now I'm in-between acts I'm very close to banning opcal
opcal and hardpoints can fuck off
i hate it
tame tide
The homebrew content I like now is usually stuff that doesn't add much, adds GM tools or reworks existing stuff
clever cloud
like i really love a lot of the mechs from Burning Memories BUT i can easily see how those mechs just straight up dont want anything from any other license. You get to LL3 and you're done
balmy obsidian
Well, igf is an actual module, so it makes sense it "only" has talents and an alt frame
west phoenix
and funny enough with efficient mechs i also don't think universal compatibility should be allowed
clever cloud
Now I'm in-between acts I'm very close to banning opcal
I ban it until LL6
west phoenix
you can just always get back to full HP and 0 heat
tame tide
I have also nerfed unicomp
icy dove
like i really love a lot of the mechs from Burning Memories BUT i can easily see...
Yeah that's a design I don't care for. Lancer is about mixing and matching so stuff should be designed with that in mind imo
lyric ivy
I have also nerfed unicomp
Based tbh
tame tide
I had 2 players using it, it trivialised attrition inchapter 4 and when I said I'm nerfing it they said "yeah that's totally reasonable"
clever cloud
someone please buff the Death's head license!!
balmy obsidian
if you look on 1st party side, most adventures have at most 1-2 frames and 2 talents
meanwhile an actual "expansion", long rim, has 5 mechs
balmy obsidian
did i say 5 i meant 6 lmao
west phoenix
someone please buff the Death's head license!!
honestly if you didn't allow full respecs there are so many frames that fucking suck
clever cloud
Valk and Kai are the two designers in this server where im blindly accepting 99% of the things they say cuz damn
west phoenix
like you have to take LL1 for some garbage you will never use
west phoenix
Valk and Kai are the two designers in this server where im blindly accepting 99%...
yep yep same
lyric ivy
Valk and Kai are the two designers in this server where im blindly accepting 99%...
I trust these two because I've seen their results firsthand multiple times tbh, much the same as I trust Al to make good maps
tame tide
I have mentioned it in off hand comments but I'm just gonna outright shill my own work cos I'd like more eyes and opinions... Who here thinks the base game talents are fucky?
balmy obsidian
Is this a talentless hack post
tame tide
nope
lyric ivy
No Al has talented hack
tame tide
It's a #1433168090371461241 post
icy dove
Valk and Kai are the two designers in this server where im blindly accepting 99%...
Though I do appreciate that Kai actually explains why they do the stuff they do.
tame tide
RN it's basically a blog but I want opinions
clever cloud
It's a <#1433168090371461241> post
does.. does it rework Brawler?
tame tide
YEP
clever cloud
i love you
balmy obsidian
BRAWLER?
west phoenix
its not the one that combined with pilots is it?
tame tide
It's very WIP and doesn't add anything yet
lyric ivy
Al. Important. What does Vanguard 1 do now
tame tide
It's just a blog RN
icy dove
Anyway I shall away for now cuz I wanna see if my partners wanna hang out.
tame tide
So one of the main things is adding mutually exclusvie talents
west phoenix
eleonor make this they an LCP
clever cloud
Vanguard 1 is a blog now
tame tide
Do you want to know what Vanguard - Linebreaker 1 does or Vanguard - rearguard does?
lyric ivy
I want to know if any of them give +accuracy to cqb
tame tide
Special contennt because I haven't written it up yet
west phoenix
al this fucks and cums
tame tide
They give accuracy but for specific scenarios. Rearguard basically turns you into a sentinel with eye of midnight, and line breaker turns it into XCOM run and gun
west phoenix
i want to ask you like 27 questions but i'm just gonna read it first
i have so many problems with the talents lmao
balmy obsidian
honestly last time i saw you mention it all i read was "i am goin to rework those talents" and i was like "what do they do i need pretty text to tell me :(" and then i lost interest
lyric ivy
They give accuracy but for specific scenarios. Rearguard basically turns you int...
As long as it's not basically free for most cqb weapons I think it's based
tame tide
It's earned, so because the weapons unfortunately work around having easy access to accuracy the talents should involve some form of accuracy. I will grant them accuracy BUT on specific scenarios MUCH MORE focused that being in range 3. Like line breaker is basically gonna be you have accuracy regarding range 1/scene when you charge in and the other potentially accuracy tied to overwatch when in a not sentinel stance
But anyway I segued the conversation
Hello Valk
One of the things I belive would balance iconoclast... Is make it so you CAN'T have technophile and make them mutually exclusive
west phoenix
hello valk
tame tide
I also had another idea of technophile - Deimosian and technophile - Comp con expert
Have bartender motherfucker in your mech as a talent
But I have no clue what it should do outside of flavour
rugged crow
Valk and Kai are the two designers in this server where im blindly accepting 99%...
Blindly believe anything I say? This is blasphemous to my brand of heresy lol. Question everything I say, I am a simple fool with a limited scope of view lol
west phoenix
see this makes us believe you more
dire cloud
I still think that, if you've got "multiple NHPs" installed, it's actually just one NHP using multiple sets of equipment.
tame tide
"He is the messiah!"
lyric ivy
"I am not the messiah!"
We know Leonard
lyric ivy
I parry
west phoenix
just kiss already
balmy obsidian
Deterministic ap energy damage
prime terrace
come to think of it Euki would HATE living in Calliope
like he needs to maintain his fur so often and Calliope isnt the cleanest system
balmy obsidian
just kiss already
sorry i wasn't shipped with her, no can do
prime terrace
but my blorb has nowhere else to go ;-;
tame tide
Iconoclast would probably be much more fun if you could not avoid the chances of you clown car cascading
Despite how horrible that is in the narrative
west phoenix
yeah but then it overlaps with current technophile
tame tide
Just make them mutually exclusive 😎
west phoenix
but having to take technophile is so annoying
west phoenix
Just make them mutually exclusive 😎
yes, actually
clever cloud
Valk, i would follow you into an ill-destined religious war with giant worms or something
balmy obsidian
i mean if it takes 3 whole entire talent ranks so that you don't roll for gorgon everytime you structure i think it's fair?
west phoenix
valkalud
rugged crow
see this makes us believe you more
Then believe this: Don’t believe everything I say 😉
prime terrace
where should i drop this fluffy fuck by the way, chat
I dont think Hell's Gate is his kinda hideout spot 👁️
tame tide
HIS WISDOM GGROWS
west phoenix
Then believe this: Don’t believe everything I say 😉
ok now i HATE you
rugged crow
Excellent, you’re back on track
prime terrace
Hey Hipo
Jingle Jingle Jingle
Castle
balmy obsidian
woah back on track just like in the hit game geometry dash
tame tide
Also, if you say "Al this is amazing" Pls subscribe to the forum. When I make blogs it's excellent to know peoples opinions and be questioned and get feedback. I could only get this feedback if you follow the forum... And to not derail this any further. Any further questionsn please askk there :3
dire cloud
Probably the icebreaker.
west phoenix
and HIT THAT BELL TO NEVER MISS A POST
tame tide
Unironically
balmy obsidian
shame on you for trying to make me SUBSCRIBE to even more stuff
rugged crow
Together we can make these talents dab!
balmy obsidian
i do not want your newsletter, fiend
lyric ivy
I'd subscribe to the valkyrion newsletter
tame tide
Okay 😭
prime terrace
Probably the icebreaker.
Fluffy ass eevee just sat at the roulette table
rugged crow
I'd subscribe to the valkyrion newsletter
I have a blog with an RSS feed, does that count
prime terrace
now im wondering if i should keep him in the Rules of Nature mech or something new
rugged crow
Anyway though
rugged crow
now im wondering if i should keep him in the Rules of Nature mech or something n...
Do you tire of rules of nature
balmy obsidian
I merely jest, your efforts are admirable
prime terrace
Do you tire of rules of nature
Rebound my beloved
clever cloud
I have a blog with an RSS feed, does that count
yes absolutely
lyric ivy
I have a blog with an RSS feed, does that count
Yeah sure why not
prime terrace
though i wonder if the eevee would pilot something else
clever cloud
which i will take as religious dogma btw
balmy obsidian
what the dogma doing
clever cloud
schism-ing out
west phoenix
man i love this community
balmy obsidian
I love you too
west phoenix
i genuinely think lancer wouldn't be nearly this good without folks like y'all
balmy obsidian
Well naturally
west phoenix
even though i don't agree with most of the balance decisions for 3rd party i love seeing it, especially modules
balmy obsidian
I make everything better with presence alone
lyric ivy
I make everything better with presence alone
This is true
west phoenix
if we're shilling can i shill someone elses content
balmy obsidian
i thought you were going to call me a fraud
west phoenix
ok now kiss
balmy obsidian
You can I just didn't expect it from you
lyric ivy
ok now kiss
no
balmy obsidian
no
tame tide
i genuinely think lancer wouldn't be nearly this good without folks like y'all
Who out browsing they discord server every hour of they day
tame tide
if we're shilling can i shill someone elses content
Shoot
west phoenix
don't call me out like that al
lyric ivy
if we're shilling can i shill someone elses content
Yeah sure
prime terrace
i genuinely think lancer wouldn't be nearly this good without folks like y'all
I mean it's debatable in terms of me being here, but everyone else? yeah y'all are fucking peak
west phoenix
https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1345259960539545680
this shit is great, just passed a kickstarter too i made an exotic for it :)
you are the igf token goober
rugged crow
It’s not shilling if
- You disclose your connection to the project
- You genuinely believe in its quality
- It’s topical to the conversation
clever cloud
Who out browsing they discord server every hour of they day
me. I keep a very close eye to like 4 channels. every time jenny posts, i see it...
lyric ivy
I have been meaning to check it out
prime terrace
you are the igf token goober
NUH UHHH
lyric ivy
me. I keep a very close eye to like 4 channels. every time jenny posts, i see i...
Me with leonard
west phoenix
It’s not shilling if
1. You disclose your connection to the project
2. You genui...
uuuh
- i paid a lot of money
- it good
- it good
balmy obsidian
I already have one stalker I can't handle two
prime terrace
is this all im known for
shall my legacy become known as "he who bashed kits for IGF"
lyric ivy
I'm not stalking you I'm just in the channels you are in
balmy obsidian
A likely story
west phoenix
is this all im known for
shall my legacy become known as "he who bashed kits for...
more than i got damn
clever cloud
https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1345259960539545680
this shit is...
oh shiii i didnt know you made stuff for that
prime terrace
I want all of you to know that this is @clever cloud's fault
they commissioned me for my first igf token
west phoenix
me when i'm known for doing a thing
clever cloud
FUCK YEAH i did that
lyric ivy
is this all im known for
shall my legacy become known as "he who bashed kits for...
Look you're a lucky one my legacy is "internet freak"
balmy obsidian
El Condor Pasa
prime terrace
Look you're a lucky one my legacy is "internet freak"
I mean to be fair...
west phoenix
oh shiii i didnt know you made stuff for that
tbh i just took one of my ideas for the license and he added it
tame tide
me. I keep a very close eye to like 4 channels. every time jenny posts, i see i...
I check:
- GM corner,
- the Gallery
- IGF spoiler thread
- Here
- My talent stuff
- Blood money
- NPC rebake
- Prototype patternn groups
- Lancner tactics
- Legionnaire
west phoenix
needed very little reworking
clever cloud
blood money my beloved
prime terrace
im still tempted to make my own third party supplement in the future
tame tide
Do it
prime terrace
i got the template n' stuff from itch 👁️
tame tide
Start with small things like one shots and smaller adventures
clever cloud
I have no idea how to balance encounters so RIP
that's the easiest part ngl
tame tide
I started on a large project but realised I had bitten off more than I had chewed. Now I'm working on the talent rework which is a lot but atleast I know howm uch I need to do
prime terrace
me who's got a shitton of concepts prepped in my brain like branching beats depending on which side the player takes leading up to a four-way choose your ending style final chapter
tame tide
I started a campaign book but I was like "I need to try more stuff first"... Unfortunately I have some other mechanics I really wanna try out but they're just random NPC templates, a sitrep and some narrative tools
west phoenix
that's the easiest part ngl
not for me tbh. i think that shit is hard
tame tide
One of the templates and the sitrep Cat will see in 6 days
Because playtesting is cool yo
west phoenix
for my wallflower act 2 'module' i just straight up ignore encounters rn
because like, i have no fucking clue
i have ideas yeah but do they suck? are they fun? are they balanced?
tame tide
I say it's easier but that's cos I have 3 years of Lancer experience under my belt
And I can still fuck it up
west phoenix
i have like, 15 years of writing and reading modules/doing TTRPG writing
clever cloud
FIFTEEN YEARS JEN
west phoenix
that is more time consuming for sure, but it just makes more sense to me than trying to make a meaningful encounter
clever cloud
holy fuck
west phoenix
well, maybe like 10 for TTRPG
tame tide
So ofc the writing tasks would be easier. Lancer experience helps the lancer stuff... ANY writing experience will help with any writing task
west phoenix
but 15 for writing in general
tame tide
Hire me, I can make your encounters
west phoenix
i used to write halo fanfiction
clever cloud
that's what i mean, you have like 6 months of exp gming lancer
west phoenix
~~Hire me, I can make your encounters~~
i can hire you for a smooch on the cheek
tame tide
OMW
clever cloud
i can understand why encounter design is difficult in comparison
west phoenix
yeah its 10-15 years vs 6 months lol
i've always had trouble with encounter design because most TTRPGs don't really give you much to work with
clever cloud
but i have 2 years in lancer and fucken 0 for writing
west phoenix
i'd love to make them together eleonor but major spoilers lmao
clever cloud
so i struggle a ton going off book
lyric ivy
I think I've been playing like... 8 years of ttrpgs? But only like a year and a half of lancing
west phoenix
so i struggle a ton going off book
meanwhile wallflower is like 40% of what is in the book
west phoenix
OH
tame tide
Oh piss
west phoenix
HAPPY CATDAY
clever cloud
OLD
tame tide
You're catching up
west phoenix
@noble ivy post the birthday video
tame tide
west phoenix
i fucking hate these videos
lyric ivy
Did you fucking look that up especially
tame tide
Yes
west phoenix
they make one for every name
lyric ivy
Who makes these
tame tide
I sennd them to any of my friends when I can
lyric ivy
What is this internet phenomenon
balmy obsidian
even those not named catherine?
west phoenix
a friend of mine sends me this every year
she did it even when i went by my deadname lmfao
tame tide
Well, I tend to get them drastically wrong with my friends... But I need to be on the side of caution with Trans friends because I need to try get something gender affirming and nnot soundn like I'm trying to dead name
west phoenix
if you deadname me i'm putting your name in the obituary
tame tide
But like, On my birthday all my mates send me "HAPPY BIRTHDAY DAVID", "HAPPY BIRTHDAY BARTHOLEMU"
tame tide
if you deadname me i'm putting your name in the obituary
Yeah so I'd rather not do that... And purely for the dead naming part not me getting fucking murdered
west phoenix
no it doesn't because then al would have to work with me
lyric ivy
Nah I was just thinking like "oh I've been playing ttrpgs since I was like 13, and now I'm 20 so-" and then I realised that's not true anymore
clever cloud
oh christ shut up jen
west phoenix
if i ever get that module off the ground i'd be down
but rn wallflower is taking a lot, especially as chapter 4 and 5 and act 2 is looming closer....
a LOT of fucking work
tame tide
Nah I was just thinking like "oh I've been playing ttrpgs since I was like 13, a...
Congraltions, now you can legally... Uuuh
clever cloud
igf is consuming my soul. i havent even been able to write roland stuff
zinc topaz
that reminds me
balmy obsidian
go to the usa and drink? i guess?
tame tide
i need you alive to make my encounters
Unironically, Just send me a "hey I want a combat where this happens" and I'll either put in the bare minimum or do something fucking epic
zinc topaz
i can either use my inkarnate subscription i pay for
west phoenix
igf is consuming my soul. i havent even been able to write roland stuff
well you have a week
zinc topaz
or i can have Al design my maps
clever cloud
well you have a week
oh yeah i forgot about D
west phoenix
Unironically, Just send me a "hey I want a combat where this happens" and I'll e...
i trust your bare minimum
tame tide
OH YEAH INKARNATE 2 RELEASES IN DECEMBER
clever cloud
he's out the whole week right?
balmy obsidian
is it a subscription service
lyric ivy
Congraltions, now you can legally... Uuuh
Drink in a country I never want to go to, I guess
west phoenix
he's out the whole week right?
... no?
zinc topaz
is it a subscription service
yes...
balmy obsidian
balmy obsidian
ah fuck, school tomorrow, gotta go to bed
tame tide
I love how people say they trust me with maps... And when designing (design not making them pretty) maps I kinda stare at a blank canvas before drawing a big pink circle andn goingg "I think this is epic"