In Golden Flame

[west phoenix]

slaaaay sister

[minor orchid]

Man this is literally the scene where Po finds out his real dad isn't a goose while he's a fucking panda

[tame tide]

2 systems

Based

[minor orchid]

Jade: "Girl... I... I am a literal tube soldier-"

[west phoenix]

al you don't get it

I NEED TO KILL

[noble ivy]

-# I feel like Eruca can go an unnerving amount of time without blinking

[tame tide]

Kid named system trauma

[west phoenix]

i was also going to play a burning memories mech but tbh burning memories is way too much

ESPECIALLY the vergil mech

bro has a novel for every system

plus with the enkidu if vergil gets close to me i just kill him

[tame tide]

Deserved

[minor orchid]

too long didn't read AAAAA mech

[noble ivy]

I'll try to cover you with my razor swarms
but vergil is completely on his own out there

[west phoenix]

i don't need it i'll win

there's something so funny about the "allied or hostile" inclusion here

[tame tide]

I can't wait until the final combat, you'll be out of repcap, on 2 stress and 3 structure. No remaining systems and your only weapon is your integrated melee

[minor orchid]

bifurcate the goblin

[west phoenix]

what situation would you want to rip your teammates in half

[west phoenix]

won't happen i'll kill em first

[west phoenix]

HAHA

me when i get my hands on that twink

[minor orchid]

when you get that twinksunzi

[tame tide]

"you fool, you're jammed. You can't attack me or do anything about this. Additionally the priest has put a sanctuary on me, you don't stand a chance"

"THIS ISNT AN ATTACK BITCH. IM INCREASING MY ORATOR DIE FROM THIS"

[west phoenix]

god i love orator

[tame tide]

"getting the enemies to stand down with the power of my voice and tearing them in half"

[noble ivy]

-# stupid question... but how much armor can you pile onto a frame before it stops being a twink...

[west phoenix]

same with FA

[tame tide]

not fa

[west phoenix]

just because you put a big coat on a twink doesn't make it not a twink

[tame tide]

FA is explicitly any hostile action, FA die will not increase if you lock on

Me

[west phoenix]

thats not what you said though

[noble ivy]

Source: Al's unhinged psyche

[tame tide]

Bifurcate, is unfortunately hostile

Orator however, just doesn't want you to attack or force saves

[west phoenix]

oh my god not what i'm talking about

[noble ivy]

really? what makes you think that?

[west phoenix]

just simply do not attack

[tame tide]

Just tear them in half lol

[west phoenix]

same situation with FA just do something that isn't an attack, and you can still use the reaction while jammed

[tame tide]

How

[west phoenix]

it doesn't say that you need to communicate nor is it a tech action

oh wait i'm dumb

no reactions

well you can still increase it

[tame tide]

Yeah

[zinc topaz]

holy fuck i want to go home lmfao

[west phoenix]

i've been jammed once and then i just grappled the mfer

[timber verge]

ive never seen jamming used i think

[tame tide]

But increasing field analyst die is limited to not taking any hostile actions besides scan? Anything that targets a hostile? No FA increase

[zinc topaz]

pizza warmer broke, freezer broke and almost electrocuted me/we're probably going to lose a bunch of frozen product, microwave broke, and my coworker decided to get into a screaming match with shoplifters and i was sitting there listening to them threaten each other like :)))) im not involved :))

[west phoenix]

i'm just accepting i don't know what the fuck you're talking about

[zinc topaz]

1 more hour though

[west phoenix]

because you can just not do a hostile action

[tame tide]

Real

[minor orchid]

Guys... I finally found it

[tame tide]

That is true

[minor orchid]

Ushtabi

[tame tide]

Pebcac your friends

[west phoenix]

pebcac shots

[prime terrace]

"You do not recognize the screams in the vent"

[timber verge]

where's kutuzov in the triangle

[tame tide]

"I full action pebcac my mates"

"YOU BASTARD WE'RE NOT UNDER ANY EFFECTS"

"Hehe, time to roll a d6"

[west phoenix]

never did i think i'd be a lancaster

[minor orchid]

good question

[minor orchid]

soft butch meow

[noble ivy]

I think I'm a Frotth?

[minor orchid]

it's ok Juli

we love you no matter what

[west phoenix]

futch or butch-ish

[tame tide]

I'm butch-ish, femme-ish

[willow needle]

lets go im a goblin

[tame tide]

WHERE SHRIMP

WHERE SHRIMP BLIMP

[west phoenix]

or maybe futch... idk man

[minor orchid]

Same as Lannie?

[west phoenix]

gender

[tame tide]

Ushabti tho

[west phoenix]

the swallowtails are different

[regal comet]

I like being Ushabti

[tame tide]

My next char is probs gonna be ushabti or gothy femme

[minor orchid]

fair fair

[timber verge]

i think im pegasus swallowtail

[clever cloud]

where's the Orchis on this? otherwise:

• MC: butchy-femme
• BW: Femme-ish Goth

[noble ivy]

Would Amber Phantom also be a gothy femme?

[west phoenix]

wait are we just picking our mech or what

[minor orchid]

Orchis be indeed foth

[west phoenix]

i don't think the phantom is that gothy tbh

bro looks like a power ranger

[minor orchid]

butchy femme?

[west phoenix]

femme-ish imo

[noble ivy]

I mean… most SSC frames are crowding the fem and goth corners

[minor orchid]

it's the hooves

[west phoenix]

juli don't

[minor orchid]

am I wrong?

[noble ivy]

Don’t what?

[west phoenix]

hoof whore

[noble ivy]

-# is that what bronies evolved into…

[willow needle]

https://tenor.com/view/starwalker-deltarune-discord-undertale-meme-gif-26072116

[noble ivy]

I’m sorry naana
But it will happen again

[tame tide]

Oh ik where shrimp is

[willow needle]

i know

[zinc topaz]

i think i'd like to be femme-ish goth but i'm probably closer to where the vlad is

[tame tide]

The "man" category... Featherless biped

[twilit star]

What are you talking about it’s flawless

[minor orchid]

No way ||featherless feather||

[west phoenix]

sometimes you just gotta kill

[twilit star]

Except Duelist 1 put Hunter 3 on there instead

Kill with Plasma Claws

[west phoenix]

but torch?

thats the most reliable source of self heat

[twilit star]

This ain’t about them

[west phoenix]

unless i trigger overkill 5 times and enter the danger zone

[twilit star]

You still generate heat when Torch misses its attack, and when you land torch hits w/ disdainful blade you can throw a knife or plasma claw

[west phoenix]

it would do more damage to just hit with it more often

3 burn is crazy

[twilit star]

Fair- but if you have the right team then you won’t miss very often

[west phoenix]

everyone else is consuming the lock ons!!!

[twilit star]

You can also Lock On but pfffft

[west phoenix]

we have 2 greedy gobblers

[west phoenix]

not in the danger zone!!!

[zinc topaz]

ahem

[noble ivy]

You eat my lock-ons you're sleeping on the couch

[west phoenix]

NOOOO

[twilit star]

Hunter 3 is next priority tho I assume

[zinc topaz]

you know what i never considered

[west phoenix]

it would be if we were leveling up past LL2

just a mission

[twilit star]

Noooo

[zinc topaz]

excluding the swallowtail, are there other good lock-on inflicting mechs

[west phoenix]

saladin with spotter

[zinc topaz]

i think maybe we need more lock ons

[twilit star]

Goblin

[west phoenix]

nah, not really

[tame tide]

Do you have good sensors? Yes, you're good at lock on

[twilit star]

Any mech with 15 sensors

[clever cloud]

deez

[noble ivy]

but a gobbie eats lock on as fast as they make them...

[tame tide]

BALLS

[west phoenix]

hipo can lock on to 2 characters and both of you can consume 1

[twilit star]

Why is the Goblin consuming lock on tho?

Tarax is good at it

[west phoenix]

it gets rewarded for not doing that tho

[tame tide]

More accuracy to their tech attacks

[twilit star]

Liturgicode?

[west phoenix]

it needs a teammate to shoot its beyblade

[noble ivy]

oh wait I'm stupid... I thought Autopod only procs when the gobbie consumes the lock on...

[west phoenix]

also you have the HORUS core that lets you lock on as a reaction

[twilit star]

Anyway Chomo (yes it will consume Lock On but that’s what Spotter 2 is for)

[west phoenix]

goated

[tame tide]

"please, I just need +4 +2 accuracy to hit bro, please I really need to hit this puppet systems"

[west phoenix]

my honest reaction

[tame tide]

targeting a hornet

[minor orchid]

just bifurcate some B

[tame tide]

You should bifurcate yourself NOW

[zinc topaz]

bc its between gilgamesh with giant rocket launcher that blows holes in buildings or support goblin that will help the lock on consumers consume more lock ons

[twilit star]

If we’re going off mechs that enjoy staying still technically speaking Barbarossa is a decent Lock On-er

And a Crack Shot Death’s Head is also a pretty good Spotter

[minor orchid]

10 sensors but size 3 makes you literally see above covers

[tame tide]

Gilgamesh to me reads as a grill dad

WAIT I NEED TO SHILL MY FRIENDS TOKEN AGAIN

[zinc topaz]

i could easily see myself having fun with both but i want to contribute meaningfully to team synergy

[twilit star]

Metahook Barbarossa

[tame tide]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/783483321328992296/1396543117095600138/LET_THEM_COOK_FINAL.png?ex=68ffaaa1&is=68fe5921&hm=e6423e154c2b98281042d2adaab12de797b6af075f3e69ee18e54a5d573a31a5&

[noble ivy]

Honestly, We'll have a Enkidu and a Amber Phantom Vergil running around in the front line so an artillery frame/playstyle could combo well

[zinc topaz]

LOL SICK

[tame tide]

This deffo fits the vibe of SSMR uhuh yep

[minor orchid]

LETSGOOOOO

GRILL DAD

https://tenor.com/view/share-the-grill-grill-pics-surprised-shock-flames-gif-14369586

[tame tide]

catalyst pistol

[west phoenix]

for THIS BUILD

projected shield, torch, 2 overkill rolls that will definitely happen. boom, dangerzone

[tame tide]

0 overkill rolls or 13

No in between

[west phoenix]

tf2 pan sound

[tame tide]

Basically

[tame tide]

Heatgunner sworder

[west phoenix]

target me with your blast 2 cluster i dare you

[west phoenix]

average demoknight build

[zinc topaz]

I think if I could play absolutely anything and we were at a higher license level

I would love a toku with those fucked up electric claws the manticore has

[tame tide]

You can just do that

[zinc topaz]

is it called arc projector

something like that

[tame tide]

Oh yeah

[noble ivy]

Sadly it's a heavy CQB so Toku's meek mounts can't handle it...

[tame tide]

Nah that can't go on toku 😩

Heavy mount

[prime terrace]

oh yeah

CH5 SPOILERS

They got Castle here too yippee

[zinc topaz]

that is the saddest thing I've ever heard

I just think it would look so fucking cool

[tame tide]

Flavour is free

Cross brand chassis are fun to write about

[zinc topaz]

Super Saiyan mech shooting off a kamehameha

[noble ivy]

at least the Annihilator has some secondary attack effects like the arc projector...

[tame tide]

You can make a world killer reflavoured as a burn oriented Tokugawa. Sacrificing sensors and technology for up armouring and heat resistance. Decksweeeper equipped with dragons breath rounds and a duckbill choke

Tokugawa actually being another offshoot of the manicure would not be too far fetched

[dire cloud]

manicure

[tame tide]

Well I was editing it but I got called out so I can't change it

The HORUS MANICURE 💅💅💅💅

[noble ivy]

There's also the Sherman with its ZF4 SOLIDCORE "fuck everything in that general direction" Cannon?

[tame tide]

SLAY ✨ 👨‍❤️‍💋‍👨 THE ENEMIES 💢 😠 OF THE GODHEAD 🙏 🙏🙏

💅 💅

[prime terrace]

so pretty

[tame tide]

Thanks I regret my words

[prime terrace]

i was gonna add lips and eyelashes if that makes it any better

[tame tide]

Please, no 😩

[zinc topaz]

please yes

[cobalt zealot]

doitdoitdoit

[prime terrace]

@zinc topaz you too

[cobalt zealot]

[tame tide]

🫦

[noble ivy]

Castigate the enemies of the Valley-Girl

[tame tide]

Ok the eye lashes are pretty fucking funny

[balmy obsidian]

yaaaasssss

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/510569829229527048/1419708206900318349/go.mov?ex=68ff90cd&is=68fe3f4d&hm=395844be2be1c769a1f5bd0f92c0abc31ed368a3e816d04330d29eda64f7624d&

[safe glade]

Mech about to sing Science Fiction Double Feature

[prime terrace]

I was gonna make it the "Hores Manicure" but

[tame tide]

Damn

[noble ivy]

What's wrong with WHorus?

[tame tide]

I could really do with a "Direct Ass"

CALL ME ENEMY

😩

[prime terrace]

al-

[tame tide]

Pixel

[prime terrace]

al please

do not the manticore

[tame tide]

You can't stop me

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-shocked-shocking-gif-14682087

[prime terrace]

When yo tapping the manticore but that mf Charged Exoskeletons your shih

i never want to say that again

[noble ivy]

WARNING! THIS MACHINE.png

[tame tide]

This the type of shit that I'd only say and find funny when tired

(I'm tired)

[prime terrace]

im fucking folding irl

this is too funny

[minor orchid]

wonderful haha

[west phoenix]

weren't you just in chapter 3 like, a month ago

[tame tide]

Pixel is built diff

[minor orchid]

Something happened

Pixel just nearlight bolted

[noble ivy]

His party clipped through Al's map and skipped CH4

[balmy obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/blj-gif-26493249

[minor orchid]

t-that means ch4 spoilers ||no puppygirl?||

[tame tide]

That's when I sent him the secret hidden map

The backrooms

It contains the worst enemy of them all

Regular assault

[noble ivy]

Backwards longjump through [chapter 3 spoilers]||'s Cabin||

[prime terrace]

CH4 ||actually they convinced CAUSTIC and let it leave with TRIPLE POINT. Phoebe also helped pull the casket back together :>||

[minor orchid]

ohhh... I am not sure what I am going to do for ch4 ||but spoilers I am tempted to make it easier for caustic to be convinced, but triple point lashes out at being left, so combat ensues anyway! with either caustic helping or... against, depending what they say||

but that's a problem for future hipo

right now... time for las vegas!

[prime terrace]

huehuehue

[minor orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/welcometolasvegas-faboulous-welcome-vegas-lasvegas-gif-4648255

[willow needle]

https://tenor.com/view/vegas-vegas-vacation-chevy-chase-clark-griswold-gif-10623515966824888268

reverie is going to love having her photon visor

[prime terrace]

you'd be surprised.

[west phoenix]

i would not

[zinc topaz]

LOOOOOL

I CAST HEAD ON THE ENEMIES

[prime terrace]

:3

[tame tide]

Oh the misery

Everyone wants to be, my enemy

[minor orchid]

I wanna be your frien :c

[tame tide]

Accepted

[minor orchid]

:D

[minor orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/jerboa-silly-happy-hop-bouncy-gif-7560254955129211911

[robust plank]

i love scheduling

[safe glade]

Ironically, in my Wallflower group's last session we had to determine what downtime action covered "find someone, anyone in this town who will give me a fucking manicure"

[ancient crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/909574961931362365/1415267432997584906/demo_gif.gif

[west phoenix]

goodnight calliope

https://tenor.com/view/bed-cute-cat-good-morning-gif-8298043186381886828

[noble ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-asleep-monjjunirawr-cat-sleeping-cat-sleep-cat-eepy-gif-2038678134769585569

[thorn hinge]

goodnight <3

[prime terrace]

Just finished another ending of CBP-2077 and it made me wonder if a Subaltern like Lotus would even get a funeral. He can't be put in a composter and being scrapped for parts may not be the ideal outcome for him, so it makes me wonder.

[cobalt zealot]

[tame tide]

Which ending?

(no dlc spoilers if applicable)

[willow needle]

Morning :3

[tame tide]

Mornin

[dire cloud]

Gay morning everyone!

[tame tide]

Gorning

[upbeat hemlock]

Question the answer to which I'll check in on in the morning: has anybody (other than my insane housemate) used the Catastrophe Beam?

[tame tide]

Maybe, but that depends if they survive past the first shot

[minor orchid]

it is a morning indeed

[shell bison]

It do be morning

[clever cloud]

morn

[minor orchid]

G'm...

[noble ivy]

Morning Calliope…

[willow needle]

it is a mourning 😔

[cobalt zealot]

The what

[willow needle]

Yippie I have adquired a 5th player :D

We have 2 duos and 1 guy mixed in the drama

[supple carbon]

Yippe

[clever cloud]

exotic from ||ch2||

[shell bison]

head desk

Spoilers

[minor orchid]

I am a duo against my will-

[balmy obsidian]

lingo

[supple carbon]

It's gonna be fun

Not for our characters but still

[noble ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-rabbit-angry-attack-gif-8318612315233716848

[jovial beacon]

am i the one mixed? 🥺

[shell bison]

bunny thump

[noble ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-review-kitty-review-angry-thumper-thumps-gif-11577795477351863377

[minor orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/crash-out-bunny-rabbit-im-gif-10075768982376662002

[willow needle]

was i even talking about players?

[minor orchid]

SSC most efficient pilot

[clever cloud]

Vergil

[minor orchid]

Vergil but it's a bnuy girl with a tempest sword

[noble ivy]

Vergil but it's a bnuy girl with a tempest sword good

[clever cloud]

Vergil's gonna be so evil yall are gonna have to kill him session 1

[minor orchid]

and then you have a deer ready for the therapy stroll through a random forest

[minor orchid]

Indeed

also have funny meme

[noble ivy]

-# I have too many of these memes

[minor orchid]

oh god jsjsjsj

[zinc topaz]

good morning calliopeeeee

[minor orchid]

June! :D

[clever cloud]

no, it's October

[noble ivy]

I thought it was July?

[minor orchid]

that's you Juli!

[noble ivy]

[willow needle]

[noble ivy]

[minor orchid]

Who allowed this child to pilot a mech-

it's too joyous-

[regal comet]

The deer posting is especially funny to me cause of reasons undisclosed

[noble ivy]

are you allowed to disclose those reasons?

[balmy obsidian]

i do mind actually

[minor orchid]

who became deer coded?

[minor orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/deer-hert-hertenknuffel-knuffel-cuddle-gif-17989522

[zinc topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/post-this-deer-in-headlights-30-gif-7310486710919559755

[zinc topaz]

no wait

it's too early for him

[willow needle]

https://tenor.com/view/noelle-holiday-deltarune-surprised-deer-gif-18264975751625637706

[minor orchid]

3 days

[zinc topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/post-this-deer-27-gif-9871312130095054403

there we go

[minor orchid]

also her name is jade omg I don't know this deer and I love it already-

[noble ivy]

I love that we constantly devolve into [insert critter here] posting

[zinc topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-undertale-spin-noelle-noelle-holiday-gif-27311298

[minor orchid]

Critter posting is good

[willow needle]

https://tenor.com/view/buck-tooth-smiling-emoji-noelle-deltarune-buck-tooth-smiling-emoji-noelle-deltarune-noelle-gif-13421818394046721483

[minor orchid]

Also just because I remember it from yesterday

According to @west phoenix this critter is AI generated and cannot be real /Insert JK just in case

[noble ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/for-whom-the-bell-tolls-for-who-the-bell-tolls-jerboa-pygmy-jerboa-rat-gif-2404932535997075318

[willow needle]

https://tenor.com/view/jerboa-edit-allenhour-capcut-silly-gif-27032684

flabbergasted

[minor orchid]

ok, last critter posting so we can go back to lancer

but friendly reminder that this bastard exists

[willow needle]

critter posting and lancer go hand in hand

[regal comet]

No one actually
And for the actual reason u shan't say, that's @shell bison choice

[minor orchid]

More than fair

[shell bison]

lol

lmao

It's act 2 stuff

[minor orchid]

Deer posting for Act 2

[noble ivy]

-# |it's when Jerry finally sprouts his antlers||

[regal comet]

Some word choices after I wrote that arevery funny

[prime terrace]

||[Don't] Fear the Reaper. I let Johnny keep V's body and spent a while checking all the names at the cemetery||

[clever cloud]

one of these days im gonna ask the wise folk of igf chat for maid dress recommendations

[tame tide]

I think that's the first ending I did

[polar glacier]

good 1761585240 calliope

[worthy root]

Shes also Vtuber on twitch, under the name jadevelfire

[minor orchid]

I'll keep in mind :D

[minor orchid]

When jerry Asks the SRT to come in their best attire

[balmy obsidian]

Men in maid outfits, Women in butler outfits

[tame tide]

Enbies in...

Hardsuits

[tame tide]

What about the other way around

[tame tide]

Hmmm

I'll toss a coin

[minor orchid]

both valid

[shadow scaffold]

hmm wanna ask

where can i get the character arts for the IGF characters?

tried to take it from the pdf, but it's always with white backgrounds which means my PNGs end up with messy spiky white borders

[balmy obsidian]

I think you can use office draw to get them without the white background but I might be wrong about this

[minor orchid]

I usually just make the tokens taking advantage of that white BG! but yeah, the images are the one in the pdf <.<

[west phoenix]

Hello Calliope

[west phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/crunch-cat-luna-eat-gif-3997701764820700221

[noble ivy]

I have transparent pngs of all the characters in act 1
Am i allowed to post them here in a zip file?

[west phoenix]

Loki zip bomb

[shadow scaffold]

i'd be interested.

[lime widget]

https://tenor.com/view/waving-emoji-yellow-waving-emoji-fast-waving-yellow-emoji-gif-2616820770356227063

[balmy obsidian]

You are now thinking about a blunt

[shadow scaffold]

I know that you can upload them also here so people can see it and use it

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SUZx4YIG9xyEtBwYjZGqicFdYQk05vFzSw_Z97O-fMY/edit?usp=sharing

do ping me if you've uploaded it since i plan to use it

[clever cloud]

you can also use any online "pdf image extractor" to get stuff from any pdfs

[tame tide]

I used a PDF editor to copy and paste them into an image software

[zinc topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/узбек-gif-4656898937280005111

ouhhghh

[clever cloud]

I got myself a sun lamp to burn my retinas while indoors

[balmy obsidian]

The first thing I bought when I realised I could buy whatever I wanted with my money was a lava lamp

[tame tide]

I love doing art stuff late at night

Where my night mode app is on

Then I go

[west phoenix]

i hate late at night

[tame tide]

"damn I need to see colours rn"

[west phoenix]

i've been sleeping in too much because of depression

but i miss early mornings

[tame tide]

And then I flash bang myself with blue

[west phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/halloween-witch-wife-evangelion-evangelion-asuka-halloween-shinji-halloween-gif-14211618655687432232

[balmy obsidian]

I would let her watch orange

[tame tide]

1 frame pimpkin

[balmy obsidian]

Because I would not be watching tv so I don't care

[west phoenix]

pimkun

[balmy obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/9mm-gif-2171878807580345781

[zinc topaz]

funniest part of the lease agreement i'm signing rn

performances of any obligations hereunder by an act of God,
strikes, epidemics, war, acts of terrorism, riots, flood, fire,
hurricane, tornado, sabotage, or other occurrence which is beyond
the control of the parties, then we shall be excused from any
further performance of obligations and undertakings hereunder,
to the full extent allowed under applicable law.

[west phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/snow-happy-easter-gif-25371743

[zinc topaz]

the stupid rabbit ass gif

[west phoenix]

which one

[zinc topaz]

the "formula" they list as how they calculate my utility costs is the number 6

[zinc topaz]

oh my igoodness gracious

[noble ivy]

don't worry, I have far stupider gifs

[shell bison]

HEllo calliope, I am vibing this this color scheme

[west phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-rabbit-bunny-goblin-gif-16556088275988104529

[zinc topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-massage-scratch-headpats-gif-8875223072481535298

[west phoenix]

melonhead

[balmy obsidian]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/63jJZrHDutI

[zinc topaz]

gordon you lousy motherfucker

[west phoenix]

hello gorgon!

[zinc topaz]

and stop fucking with the microwave

[noble ivy]

"Good news Gorden! The cybernetics department replaceded my colon!"

[shell bison]

I always seem to spawn in during bun content

[west phoenix]

usually you show up and the bun posting commences

[zinc topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-impact-genshin-impact-is-buns-buns-bad-gi-gif-10867702362586475530

[west phoenix]

june buns reveal

[balmy obsidian]

oh my gooness gracious bunny dot gif

[ancient crag]

MMMM

BREAD

I could eat some bread

[tame tide]

Guh

[ancient crag]

https://tenor.com/view/waddling-national-geographic-penguins-chill-out-with-adélie-and-emperor-penguins-scurrying-off-gif-25268233

[shell bison]

I have an uncanny ability to arrive during most bun related topics

[regal comet]

the Celery Santiago

[shell bison]

:c

[regal comet]

I'm sorry It was literally the first thing that came to mind

[shell bison]

can't share nothing

[regal comet]

The Grass Wonder also came to mind

[minor orchid]

YOOOOO FASHIONMECH

[shell bison]

;v; thank you

[regal comet]

damn I already felt bad
sorry again Void

[robust plank]

hello calliope

[shell bison]

ello

[minor orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-luality-lua-steal-bnuy-gif-6223806457434282985

[zinc topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/bnuy-bunny-white-bnuy-gold-bnuy-returns-gif-14971262190089394456

[shell bison]

c:

[minor orchid]

The bun that goes around

[zinc topaz]

comes around

[minor orchid]

With s fucking mech!

[twilit star]

me when I’m Homophobic Marge from Five Nights At Homer’s 2

[zinc topaz]

='w'=

[minor orchid]

So that's the first Yuri

[balmy obsidian]

@tame tide I want you to know that my players liked your (ch2) ||GETTING RAILROADED|| map enough that they asked me to do the combat again right now two hours ago (and also so that they could try out builds a little bit)

And I got to absolutely destroy them this time

One of them had a white witch and I got to marker rifle him every single turn

Fuck your core power

[upbeat hemlock]

I got to work 30 minutes early and was STILL late to log in because I went to the bathroom and the lock broke, trapping me in the stall

... how's everyone else going this morning?

[balmy obsidian]

Doing good

Finally got to take revenge on my players for bullying my opfors in a non canon reenactment of a fight

I hit 4 attacks in a turn with a breacher

[west phoenix]

i love breachers

my favorite NPC

[balmy obsidian]

I think I still love cataphracts the most

[steady adder]

are they now swearing complete destruction of all breachers now?

[balmy obsidian]

No but the one that played the white witch said "Ok, next time, the scout first"

[ancient crag]

Oi don’t steal the bnuy, needz him for session

[tame tide]

Hehehehehehehehehehe

[safe glade]

clawks (yes the whole screen is the clock, no I don't know why I do this to myself)

[west phoenix]

endless clocks...

@clever cloud you need to make a landing page like me now :)

[zinc topaz]

you guys scare me with your landing pages and your fancy clocks

[west phoenix]

eh i don't do much, i just steal from others :)

[dire cloud]

What about ||Cult Influence||?

But yeah, that's really damn pretty.

[safe glade]

Not 100% sure yet, though I did just have a cursed idea:

[dire cloud]

Ooh.

I think a slightly lighter red would work better.

[zinc topaz]

||i think it would be really cool if it manifested as errors in the system, like it wasn't supposed to be there||

[zinc topaz]

||and when it's filled up it's almost replaced/erased the slots for the regular clock maybe?||

idk that could be a shit idea but i'm just throwing it out there

[dire cloud]

Gay night, everyone!

[safe glade]

||No, I agree it would be very cool; I might see if I can make something like that work as an overlay on top of the existing screen (so I can overlap the two clocks in Foundry as Ada suggested)||

[zinc topaz]

goodnight calliope it's sleeping time

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-sleeping-sleepy-cat-black-cat-gif-13917441161743115015

[robust plank]

eepy

[west phoenix]

i also eep

good eep

i have an interview i really don't want to go to tomorrow

[normal root]

oof- good luck

[cobalt zealot]

Ate nice burger last night

Now feeling sick though

[balmy obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/sparkle-on-its-tuesday-dont-forget-to-be-yourself-jerma-slay-goldsnowman-gif-2750474106406565925

[brazen root]

Hey y'all! Hope everyone is doing okay! My team is finally about to start Mission 2 this Saturday, and in preparation I've drawn another iteration on one of the upcoming major NPCs in Mission 2... ||Rita! Except this time she's been swapped with Jill Stingray frm Va-11 Hall-A who has become such a prominent character/NPCs in my group's TTRPGs she's in every single one as an NPC and universal constant! This Bartender now runs the Icebreaker and dropped smoking for candy but otherwise fits the glove extremely well for Rita, and I'm looking forward to everyone's reactions to her!||

[balmy obsidian]

||Shadow the hedgehog is devastated to learn about this||

Very cool looking though

[limber fossil]

i wish it was easier to build breachers as PC concepts

i also wish weapons like the breacher shotty and the cataphract's ram cannon existed as PC options

i rather like the rebaked ram cannon

[west phoenix]

Siege ram and juggernaut tortuga?

But playing around that when you can just delete enemies isn't as good

[willow needle]

me when its the morning

[balmy obsidian]

Good morning

[silver pumice]

evil morning

[willow needle]

true neutral morning

[silver pumice]

no way...

[balmy obsidian]

yes way

[willow needle]

norway!?

[cobalt zealot]

Lawful neutral morning

[willow needle]

https://tenor.com/view/uka-ukaiås-funksjonær-alle-tiders-tider-gif-18331754

[silver pumice]

https://www.vxtiktok.com/@helgi.and.erlend/video/7343892571636223264

[balmy obsidian]

Whenever I did an alignement test I kept leaning towards lawful good but I think it's because most of the lawful came from questions like "would you stab a stranger in the back for 100 thousand dollars" and I'm like no??? why would you stab someone??

[willow needle]

[silver pumice]

i swear i first found this vid through tungle but couldn't find it so i had to google

and found the original tiktok

[willow needle]

meh most tests are extremely superficial like that haha

[minor orchid]

Do the real test

Maid outfit, buttler outfit... Or mix?

[balmy obsidian]

Neither, I don't like dresses, skirts, or suits

[minor orchid]

Zamn, the 4thbidden option

Naked

[willow needle]

sorry for long text but at this point why not just sharing

how i treat dnd alignment is
lawful good: most of your actions are to better others' lifes, you follow strict morals, and your vows and loyalty is hard to break. its not about following rules or laws but your own conviction.
neutral good: the ""normal"" person, you seek goodness but with a more relaxed and variable mentality.
chaotic good: same as before, just that you dont have any strict guidelines, and thus you are more unpredictable. in some extremes you can do good by "any means necessary".

lawful neutral: strong conviction, loyalty, strict morals, but what one would call a "grey person". for me this alignment is more for those that actually follow the status quo.
true neutral: not a real alignment a human person can have, rather reserved for a weird being like spirits or gods etc, or robots (?). for me true neutral requires the person to have barely no self volition, maybe even no emotions at all.
chaotic neutral: might feel weird but for me this is the "living la vida loca" (?). there's nothing specific that guides their actions, only doing what they want.

lawful evil: most of your actions are to better your own life in a selfish way. you have your own strict guidelines and convictions, but it is for your own benefit despite others. again its not about rules or laws.
neutral evil: for me this is just ""normal"" person, just that again, its more selfish.
chaotic evil: benefit for yourself despite others by any means necessary. so basically the alignment dnd gives to almost all villains-

[minor orchid]

Owl with glasses 🤓 ☝️

[willow needle]

[clever cloud]

https://www.ascii-code.com/character/␞
another day, another wishing comma-separated-values files were using proper control characters

separators my estranged

one big reason these stopped being used is that there was no qwerty keys for it. these were used for punch card programming in ye olden days

replaced in modern lingo by tabs and commas WHICH ARE TEXT, NOT CONTROL

[west phoenix]

Boo hoo normal people like to read

[clever cloud]

these characters display as triangles, like the play button

hell, they could display as fucking anything because they're CONTROL CHARACTERS

"Hatsune Miku"-separated values

[dire cloud]

Gay morning everyone!

[minor orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/moth-dab-me-up-my-man-dab-me-five-gif-14292088878183815053

[balmy obsidian]

dab me up

[cobalt zealot]

I really like writing a villain who is like

Evil in a very banal, real kind of way

[minor orchid]

Petty style?

[cobalt zealot]

No no

[balmy obsidian]

[cobalt zealot]

This dude is currently out in the arctic wilds negotiating with the natives for access to their resources, and brokering deals that massively favour the empire he belongs to. Those that refuse to bend the knee are killed. Despite that, he respects their culture and practices, even learned their own language, and regards them highly for their survivability and fighting prowess.

It's very much modelled on the early colonisation of America.

It's just business. He likes the natives but they're in the way and he's got a job to do.

[balmy obsidian]

This doesn't read banal to me but

[cobalt zealot]

Banal is the wrong word maybe

It's

What's the word

[minor orchid]

"I like you and your culture, please make it easier for me" 4000 barbarosas Aiming at his position

[cobalt zealot]

It's laid back evil. The evil that springs from the cogs of empire turning as usual.

[balmy obsidian]

Corporate evil (Also known as Corporate)

[willow needle]

"i like you, trust i really do. but i like myself more"

[cobalt zealot]

"empire said you either gotta bend the knee or die and well you aren't agreeing to the terms of this land arrangement so..."

[clever cloud]

... Thomas Jefferson

[jovial beacon]

Good morning calliope

[cobalt zealot]

Literally yes

[clever cloud]

none of that was banal or laid back. the dude was rampant and intentional. his only defense were fancy speeches

you could say nonchalant, or uncaring evil

[cobalt zealot]

That's it

Thank you

[clever cloud]

woefully uncaring villain

[cobalt zealot]

Was difficult trying to convey what I meant

[clever cloud]

understandable

[cobalt zealot]

Though I think like

"The evil inherent in the cogs of empire turning" is the best way to describe it

[clever cloud]

Star Wars empire has a lot of posers that think they're like this. Until the empire also eats their faces

[clever cloud]

the only one that, to my opinion, holds this sway is Grand Admiral Thrawn

The dude is truly just plainly evil in such an unnerving, effortless way

and also hits that mark of "Love your culture btw. very pretty"

[cobalt zealot]

He's the main villain for my Lunar Exalt

There're secondary antagonists like the Bull of the North who got her father killed, and the Guild who enslaved her mother

But this guy

He burned down her entire tribe's home, killed the only person who looked after her when her parents were absent, and then nearly blew her up with a magic exploding arrow

She wants him so unbelievably dead

Hell hath no fury like a Lunar scorned

[minor orchid]

Insert "I'll pay the devil twice as much to keep your soul"

[silver pumice]

that guy in the miku binder

[clever cloud]

the only good version of jefferson

honestly, never understood the hate

it was clearly an AU for the characters of Hamilton the play

[silver pumice]

yeah but it's weird out of context i suppose

[cobalt zealot]

Nah she'll fucking burn that too

[minor orchid]

One Quajillion Burn Damage

[cobalt zealot]

May be slightly difficult because he's a Fire Aspect Dragon Blooded Exalt

But she'll figure it out

Might be able to ask an Abyssal for help

[clever cloud]

DBZA Freeza: "I've done the whole 'leave the children' thing but all they do is grow up to try to get revenge and die anyways! Really, I'm doing them a service by killing them now."

[cobalt zealot]

In context this is more pragmatic than it sounds

In Exalted, not finishing your target off risks them popping off as an Exalt much, much more powerful than you

[balmy obsidian]

I can retract that kindness if you wish, but then who's the villain?

[cobalt zealot]

And sometimes killing them anyway does that as well

[balmy obsidian]

I love you DBZA

[clever cloud]

my all-time favorite joke is from dbza kai 3: vegeta vs android 18

[balmy obsidian]

is it the cunt bit or is it the "agh my pride" or something else

[clever cloud]

the cunt bit

[balmy obsidian]

"Gonna cunt all over me with your cunty face, cunty boots and your... VAGIIINAAAA?"
And then he gets chiropactic

[ancient crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004215299459002428/1431313028594536528/tumblr_inline_npw3c9XfUc1s7vuzv_500.gif.webp

Howdy yall

[minor orchid]

lmaaao haha

Also hi Vaken!

[ancient crag]

How’s everyone doin

[jovial beacon]

Kinda tired rn

[ancient crag]

Mood

[jovial beacon]

2 hours of sleep here

[ancient crag]

I was awoken at 1 am to my friend calling me and telling me to call another friend because they possibly accidentally ate ceramic

[jovial beacon]

Uh ?

[ancient crag]

It was not a fun three hours

[cobalt zealot]

Geez. I'm sorry, is your friend okay?

Are you okay???

[ancient crag]

I am fine, just very sleepy. They on the other hand….. was just really fucking drunk and thought they did and messaged the bud the shit which caused the whole fuckery

[ancient crag]

https://tenor.com/view/a-hat-in-time-gaming-video-game-dancing-dance-gif-17517619

[balmy obsidian]

Unrelated, my chomolungma player is switching to the Imp. I let him do a full respec for this because he's (finally) beginning to look into character building instead of me pulling him along

[minor orchid]

the building is happening!

[safe glade]

Played some more with ||cult influence|| clock ideas last night; ||I know it's supposed to be In Golden Flame, but what if we went a little bit Promare with Feather's color scheme?||

[minor orchid]

||THE GODS WERE RIGHT TO FEAR PROMETHEUS! plus it looks like a digital flame which adds a looooot imo hehe||

[willow needle]

me when i dont know if i can click the spoiler

[minor orchid]

You can't

Or hope cascades /jk

[willow needle]

[minor orchid]

||Let the final verses be written so the page may finally turn||

[jovial beacon]

I really wanna see 👀

[shadow scaffold]

hmm, doing it that way means that you only need a transparent png the same size as the lower image

just saw the revised one, nice

are you planning to publish it by any chance?

[safe glade]

Once they're done, yeah, I'll throw them all in a gdrive folder and add it to the GM resource sheet

[shadow scaffold]

yay!

[clever cloud]

oh shit oh fuck

[zinc topaz]

you'd stab someone if they were evil

[shell bison]

oh great heavens

[balmy obsidian]

I would not

[zinc topaz]

good lord this is cool as fuck

super late reply but i was asleep and i have strong feelings about alignment in d&d so

[cobalt zealot]

That it shouldn't exist?

It's an extremely ancient holdover

[balmy obsidian]

-# shhh let them cook

[zinc topaz]

lawful good: your heart is in the right place, but you lack the willpower to truly challenge evil. you follow your society's example of what a good person is because you believe that's the right thing to do in the eyes of the people who wrote your laws. you would abide evil if combatting it meant breaking a law or rule.

neutral good: you do what you believe to be morally good and beneficial to your own vision of what society should be. you would abide evil if your personal beliefs overlapped with it/you didn't believe the actions were morally wrong.

chaotic good: the revolutionaries who actually change societies and destroy evil. you have a vision for what a good, benevolent society could be and are willing to tear down what exists today for a better tomorrow. you would not abide evil.

lawful neutral: "i don't care who's in charge, as long as their policies don't affect MY life." you have your head in the sand and do what you're told to do because you were told to do it.

neutral: these are the people who don't care what happens to anyone else, or really themselves. lackadaisical and lacking conviction, you just go wherever the wind takes you and don't have any strong feelings about where you may end up.

chaotic neutral: you have a hatred for authority, but not because you have a hatred for injustice. you simply don't like being told what to do.

lawful evil: CEOs, billionaires, politicians. you've stepped on the backs of anyone who made the mistake of having less than you do and taken it from them on your way up. however, you haven't done anything wrong. you wouldn't dare; society has laws for a reason, you know. there's a natural order to things that needs to be maintained. in fact, you (or someone you know) are probably the one writing the laws in the first place. probably best to keep it as such, that way society keeps working the way it has been.

neutral evil: you take whatever you can from others for the love of the game. you revel in seeing others suffer. you have a vision for society: you at the top and everyone else at your beck and call. the alliances you forge are purely for your own gain, and you're willing to throw them away the instant it looks like you might not come out on top of the deal.

chaotic evil: raw, unchained ego. you need to eat and fuck. you'll kill anyone who wants to stop you from it. there's a reason most chaotic evil creatures are wild animals.

but yeah it shouldn't exist because it doesn't clearly identify itself as what it is and it encourages bad roleplaying and putting characters into boxes

law: i do what i'm told to...
chaos: i do what i want to...
good: ...for the benefit of others
evil: ...for the benefit of myself

[balmy obsidian]

I take it you don't like the lawful alignement

[zinc topaz]

lawful good is seen as "ultimate good" too often is all

lawful good is like. oh i can't throw a brick through the dictator's window because that would make ME a criminal too

[balmy obsidian]

Me personally I think alignements are cool but that people take it too seriously and try too hard to make everything fit neatly in clearly defined little boxes and jump too quickly to "this is not what X alignement would do"

[zinc topaz]

i don't think characters need to be in boxes at all, yeah

i think it gets even dumber when you start talking about a character's alignment changing

[balmy obsidian]

you know, kind of like gender

my approach is entirely vibes based

"I think this character is Neutral Evil"
"Why is he Neutral Evil?"
"Idk it's my character and I say he feels Neutral Evil."

[zinc topaz]

my approach is encouraging critical thinking skills in my players by having them actually think about what the character they created would personally think about an issue

i think a better alternative is to expand the whole "personality traits, bonds, ideals, flaws" thing

[clever cloud]

orderly vs rebellious

[balmy obsidian]

-# me shaking the "gender discussion" bag to lure the Eleonor into the topic

[clever cloud]

however, i do love your take on chaotic good

real "for better or for worse, an anarchist"

[zinc topaz]

chaotic good recognizes that a lot of laws exist to maintain power structures that benefit lawful evil, so they're in direct opposition

[clever cloud]

based on your descriptions, Roland started out as Neutral Evil. He just wants to get himself ahead, and having to - I apologize for the image - eat where he shits is really doing a number to him

[clever cloud]

well here you can talk about authority vs anti-authority

-# I dont wanna conflate the names of specific economic and political ideologies like authoritarian vs anarchist

[zinc topaz]

-# but i think .. it is a good way to frame it

[balmy obsidian]

Who are we framing

[clever cloud]

you

[zinc topaz]

roger rabbit

[balmy obsidian]

[minor orchid]

ROGER RABBIT WAS FRAMED?!

[zinc topaz]

who would do this

[clever cloud]

cuz like.... what the fuck is an anarcho-capitalist.. besides a terrible contradiction. these things dont relate well with characterization, only about politics

[safe glade]

(spoilered for political semi-hot take, will remove post if flying too close to the sun) ||I will conflate this with specific ideologies; if you flip the typical alignment chart so that good is on the left side and lawful is on the top, it maps pretty 1-to-1 with the typical 4-quadrant political compass||

[clever cloud]

-# However much i believe political belief biases character, they're some terribly shitty people who are lefty

[balmy obsidian]

I can't read anarcho without thinking about this dumb meme every single time

[clever cloud]

but but but, the political compass is already known to be an insufficient categorization

which really circles back to how dnd aligment is just too fucking simple

[zinc topaz]

i'll do the same: ||lawful good are the people who oppose authoritarianism on paper but still let authoritarians take advantage of the status quo because "hurting anyone is wrong, even if they're a fascist"||

[safe glade]

You're definitely correct, people's beliefs are far more complicated than you can map cleanly, let alone on just two axes, and that's true for both ethical and political positions

[balmy obsidian]

political beliefs to me are like sexuality because i have no fucking clue where I'm sitting even though I do have some kind of beliefs

[clever cloud]

idk that's pretty gay

[balmy obsidian]

"That sounds a little gay, dude"
"It ***is ***a little gay, dude."

[noble ivy]

Good morning calliope
-# don't mind me, I'm just watching since I can't really add anything to this conversation

[clever cloud]

I do like the axis of "what would I do for my goals" and "are my goals selfish or selfless" or something like it

like i do already agree with June's first take here as an improvement of the chart

[zinc topaz]

i'm gonna stop myself from rambling bc i can feel a little fire inside my chest wanting to go on a political rant about authoritarianism lmfao

[balmy obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/stoked-fire-fired-up-fanning-the-flames-gif-3360727744113598938

[zinc topaz]

back on topic yeah i think the chart should be simpler actually and not sold as such an important part of your character's personality

[zinc topaz]

like this

this is as complex as i think it needs to be

[minor orchid]

Don't worry Juli, just make space

I don't even fucking know either

[zinc topaz]

and then it gets tucked waay waaay waaaay in the back of the sheet and you actually come up with the nuances yourself

[balmy obsidian]

What would Neutral be in this context?

If you're not doing things for yourself or others, if you're not doing it because you're told to or because you want to, what do you do, why do you do it?

[zinc topaz]

an unnecessary classification that muddies the whole thing up

exactly

a neutral person wouldn't be an adventurer

neutral is 99% of hobbits

[balmy obsidian]

<- plays neutral characters all the time

[zinc topaz]

i think if i had to expand that to include neutrality

[minor orchid]

Neutral is the folks who is not an adventurer, but is in the mess by external reasons me believes

[clever cloud]

true neutrals just dont have convictions

[balmy obsidian]

<- momentarily turning evil by forcing june to expand their simple alignement chart

[clever cloud]

if spectator was a person

[zinc topaz]

law: i do what i'm told to...
neutral: i do what i can...
chaos: i do what i want to...

good: ...for the benefit of others
neutral: ...because i can
evil: ...for the benefit of myself

[noble ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kat-kitty-kitten-evil-gif-10545349572153573100

[zinc topaz]

lawful neutral is ultimate npc

"yeah i didn't vote, it doesn't affect me anyways."

"guess the police are going to be in our streets all the time now, but i don't care because it's not like i do anything illegal"

[balmy obsidian]

Wouldn't "I didn't vote because it doesn't affect me" be Chaotic Neutral then

Or Neutral Evil

[zinc topaz]

no chaotic neutral is like

[balmy obsidian]

Or even Chaotic Evil

[zinc topaz]

writing in john pork

(something my boss did last year)

[balmy obsidian]

Who the fuck is John Pork

[cobalt zealot]

Simply don't use alignment, ever.

[balmy obsidian]

I will and you can't stop me

[minor orchid]

Inhales

[balmy obsidian]

<- evil

[minor orchid]

LETS ALIGN DEEZ-

[willow needle]

dang the alignment topic returned

[clever cloud]

no because you think the law is absolute! so lawfulness must be morally good! supporting the status quo Is the morally superior choice

[noble ivy]

-# your nuts are unaligned??!?

[zinc topaz]

neutral evil is voting for the authoritarians because you benefit from the power structure they want to create/maintain

[balmy obsidian]

If the law was absolute there would be no vote. There is a vote. It is therefore your obligation to vote. Lawful Neutrals would therefore vote.

[cobalt zealot]

I don't think morality fits into nine neat boxes

[clever cloud]

neutral evil is campaigning for local senate in order to skim off the top

[zinc topaz]

lawful neutral is following the law because laws are meant to be followed

[minor orchid]

Nut alignment

[cobalt zealot]

And furthermore I think moralism is a curse

[zinc topaz]

i do what i'm told to because i can

actually, revision

[balmy obsidian]

Yesssss, good...

[zinc topaz]

law: i do what i'm told to...
neutral: i do what i can...
chaos: i do what i want to...

good: ...for the benefit of others
neutral: ...and that's that
evil: ...for the benefit of myself

[cobalt zealot]

The Kingdom of Conscience will be exactly as it is now. Moralists don't really have beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded. Centrism isn't change -- not even incremental change. It is control. Over yourself and the world. Exercise it. Look up at the sky, at the dark shapes of Coalition airships hanging there. Ask yourself: is there something sinister in moralism? And then answer: no. God is in his heaven. Everything is normal on Earth.

[zinc topaz]

neutrality requires you to not be acting for the sake of anything

evil is for your sake, good is for others' sakes

[balmy obsidian]

I disagree on evil

Since we are talking about D&D and fantasy adventures and whatnot

[zinc topaz]

i think evilness is simply selfishness

[balmy obsidian]

What about those who do things not even for their own benefit

[zinc topaz]

neutral

[balmy obsidian]

So if I want to destroy the entire world myself included

I'm neutral

[zinc topaz]

yeah i think so

but

why would you want to destroy the world

[safe glade]

(throwing discourse molotov) "I didn't vote because it doesn't effect me" can arise from multiple alignments, and therefore can only be mapped by adding a third axis "scope of concern", suggested categories "petty", "communal" and "universal"

[balmy obsidian]

Good question, I don't know, I'm not "Absolute Evil ™", but antagonistic forces that want to destroy the world for seemingly no reason and/or just to return to nothing because this entire world is fucked we might as well not have it, do exist (at least in fiction)

[zinc topaz]

ahem. yea they sure do

👀

[tame tide]

The fucks going on here

[balmy obsidian]

Nothing

[willow needle]

igf chat not being about igf again

[safe glade]

Discourse™

[tame tide]

Typical lancer leftism?

[balmy obsidian]

We are arguing about D&D Alignment

And how it's like the gender dichotomy and how it should be abolished or something idk I lost my thesaurus I'm just throwing words together like an LLM

[zinc topaz]

i think if i had to classify a certain fictional religion that believed that i would call them an extremist chaotic good with extremely misguided and flawed ideas about how to enact that good

they're actually a really good example of why the alignment chart doesn't work at all lmao

[balmy obsidian]

<- evil

[zinc topaz]

it's more accurate to say they believe they're chaotic good

[tame tide]

I'm evil

[balmy obsidian]

No I'm evil, because I am a white man

[willow needle]

just to toss in my thoughts (i actually did before but no one read it sob sob ) i dont think lawful alignments should be read to be about literal laws, as morals and personality exist without a goverment. how can many creatures that belong to no strict society be considered lawful (something), if its not because they follow just their convictions? i think its alike mistakenly thinking that all paladins follow a god, when its their oath that give them powers. sometimes its an oath to a god yes but not always.

but anyways, i think this topic can last forever cuz afterall dnd is a world where goodness and evil are concepts you can actually grasps (like demons are actually made of evil like if it was a substance) so that makes it very different from our reality-- aka it can be way more exaggerated

thats my ted talk (?) imma go draw now some lesbiabs

[balmy obsidian]

Everyone else here is a poser

[zinc topaz]

yeah there's a lot of things to be said about good and evil existing as tangible concepts in d&d lore

[tame tide]

Funny reading pathfinder where a spell can outright do evil damage

[balmy obsidian]

They removed that in the recent version, believe it or not

[zinc topaz]

tear the whole thing down it sucks and is built on a foundation of racism and moralism and

[tame tide]

Idk what evil damage is but it's funny to conceptualise as it's being cast by a moustache twirling Disney villain

[balmy obsidian]

now all aligned damage are "spirit" damage where it attacks the soul directly

[tame tide]

But my book doesn't say that 😭

How dare my book not be directly updated

[balmy obsidian]

Buy the latest version

Pathfinder second edition 2 baybeeeeee

[tame tide]

No but I already have a however hundred many page tome gaining dust in my bookshelf

Yeah it is pathfinder 2e

Oh 2e2

[balmy obsidian]

No no, You have PAthfinder 2e

You need Pathfinder 2e 2

[willow needle]

i think tangible good and evil can be interesting but yeah it was used for some weird racism--
and now bc of feedback they are scared of giving anything a backstory (im so sorry owlins you deserved better)

[tame tide]

I personally view good/evil better as selflessness/selfishness

[zinc topaz]

SEE LÉO

[safe glade]

I do think that, for all that I have no desire to play 5E beyond BG3, having paladin/warlock not care about alignment and instead be about specific oaths to an ideal/entity is a lot more coherent

[balmy obsidian]

I see

I do like having Demons and Angels though

[zinc topaz]

it becomes especially complex when you have oaths like Treachery and pacts like the Celestial

[balmy obsidian]

Without them, how would the queers ™ have their tieflings?

[zinc topaz]

ogre 🙂

dunmeshi

[noble ivy]

Lancer

[balmy obsidian]

Shhhh

SHHHHH

[zinc topaz]

dunmeshi ogre > tiefling

[willow needle]

yes i do the same. thinking that also allows as a GM to create NPCs that are (x) evil and not be a villain outright.

people are complex afterall

[tame tide]

Demons as the embodiment of selfish creature, helping themselves for their own gain and slaying those in their way.

Angels being supportive, helping others and sacrificing their own wellbeing to strike down those that down tread others

[zinc topaz]

evil doesn't mean villain and good doesn't mean hero

[balmy obsidian]

What if I do good things purely to feel good about myself

[zinc topaz]

neutral good

[tame tide]

Ultimately IMO any other definition of good/evil can land too well into being subjective

[willow needle]

angels are even more exaggerated because a lot of them only exist to help in a specific event or to a specific person and once their goal is fulfilled they vanish/die

[balmy obsidian]

Is that not a selfish reason

[zinc topaz]

"good things" needs to be defined

[tame tide]

Stealing candy from babies

[balmy obsidian]

Easy one would be something like donating to charity

[zinc topaz]

if you do benevolent and selfless things because it makes you feel like a benevolent and selfless person, you're neutral good

[willow needle]

the difference is doing good to yourself despite others wellbeing. thats when it lands in evilness imo

[balmy obsidian]

Even if I don't care about them at all?

Clearly we need a fourth axis

[zinc topaz]

right

[noble ivy]

-# Depending on how young that baby is candy could be a choking hazard, thus stealing is a good thing

[tame tide]

I'm a patron saint🙏

I stole candy from a baby, I saved it's life

I stole from that struggling mother of 4. If I didn't they'd have to pay taxes

[zinc topaz]

stealing money from a different charity to give it to one that benefits you lands you more in neutral evil territory

[tame tide]

Chaos/Law to me just feels more vibes based. Idk how to define that

[zinc topaz]

i think eleonor put it well earlier

[balmy obsidian]

They're all vibes based to me

[zinc topaz]

orderliness vs rebellion

would you break a law that hurts people? or would you follow it bc its a law and you don't want to be a criminal

[willow needle]

i think a good dilemma i just thought about is, how would we categorize when good actions are being harmful. the person is good cuz thats their intentions, but they are doing harm without noticing, to a point where it feels evil for a third party.

[balmy obsidian]

Like, murder is illegal, I'm not gonna do murder, but not because it's illegal, I'm not doing it because it's murder are you out of your fucking mind??

[minor orchid]

THE FUCKS ARE GOING?!

[tame tide]

Yeah they went that way

[zinc topaz]

"sorry i know you're starving snd all but... they outlawed giving food to the unhoused. can't have that going on my record. let's see if we can get you a job somewhere and get you some legal food"

[balmy obsidian]

Run after them

[zinc topaz]

vs "here you need this food more than me. don't tell anyone"

[willow needle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87Ba9yb83JY

[zinc topaz]

not acting doesn't determine something

would you STOP a murder?

[balmy obsidian]

is it? Someone tells you to kill someone, is nothing determined by your refusal to do it?

[cobalt zealot]

which has its roots in eugenics and isn't scrutinised heavily enough

[zinc topaz]

refusing is an act

[cobalt zealot]

I can keep popping off with these about dnd alignment btw

I am an alignment abolitionist

I will insult the concept of alignment until I'm dead

If alignment has 1000 haters I'm one of them

[willow needle]

-# honestly thats a good question even outside this topic. would you stop a murder irl? i think i'd be frozen in place.

[cobalt zealot]

If alignment has 10 haters I'm one of them

If alignment has no haters I'm dead.

[balmy obsidian]

Man if there was a murder going on in front of me I don't think I'd even be able to process it before it happened

[willow needle]

tho if the victim is someone i know, im pretty sure i'd jump to the attacker like an animal

[balmy obsidian]

Fairly sure I would still be unable to process it

[cobalt zealot]

There is no axiomatic good or evil force and whoever tells you otherwise should be shot on sight as a misanthrope

[minor orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/owl-flop-owl-embarassed-anyone-looking-did-anyone-see-gif-15732767

[willow needle]

-# i think thats a lot--

[cobalt zealot]

There are only people operating in an environment, and said environment incentivises certain behaviours according to material needs.

[safe glade]

making my players fill in the alignment box on their character sheet with where their character is on Kohlberg's stages of moral development

[cobalt zealot]

marking in a spot underneath the pyramid
this character is a feral animal

[willow needle]

[twilit star]

Lawful is kinda ultimately “pro status quo”

[zinc topaz]

yes

pasted from earlier: "lawful good are the people who oppose authoritarianism on paper but still let authoritarians take advantage of the status quo because 'hurting anyone is wrong, even if they're a fascist'"

[balmy obsidian]

Hopefully this all becomes relevant when Leviathan team has a crashout and Invader gets to tell everyone he does not want to shoot Steele in the face

[clever cloud]

coward

[balmy obsidian]

Or (ch3) ||Ignatius||
Or (ch5) ||Capella||

[clever cloud]

extra coward

[balmy obsidian]

That's his entire character

[clever cloud]

honestly, (act 2) ||Really confused about why Howl spares Steele anyways. Im not emotionally advanced enough to get it. Killing evil doesnt make you evil||

[zinc topaz]

the test should be "would you kill a fascist? why or why not"

[clever cloud]

yes, no question

[balmy obsidian]

I don't think I would

[zinc topaz]

paradox of tolerance

[twilit star]

I think if you wanted an example of a lawful good character trying to make active change, stuff like Activism Lawyers or Charity Runners fall into the category of Lawful Good- they’re trying to use the establishment and adjust it in its intended way in order to make active change.

[zinc topaz]

you don't have to tolerate intolerance

[twilit star]

Now people who work for a charity may just be neutral good, trying to help out wherever they can and not thinking about the widespread tactics. But a charity organizer is ultimately trying to use capitalism for good

Which has SEVERAL flaws

[balmy obsidian]

Cause if I kill someone then there's going to be the people that want to avenge them, and then there's people who take it as a lesson that "oh so you can just kill the people who are a problem" and those can be on both sides of the problem which means more murders which means more revenge which means more murders and then it's just the roman senators assassinating each other every month all the time and like

christ i don't have the mental capacity for that

[zinc topaz]

lawful good

[willow needle]

"if you kill the Tyrant, are you the Tyrant?", thread locked after 16k pages-

[zinc topaz]

superman mentality

[balmy obsidian]

But, I've never had anyone close to me die or get fucked over by prejudice

I've lived all my life basically free of conflict

[tame tide]

Yeah I just kill people. It's not justified

[clever cloud]

bad superman writing really

[balmy obsidian]

So you know, I'm a tiny bitch baby carebare who doesn't know any better and who just wants people to not be bad

[zinc topaz]

neutral evil: killing is fun

[minor orchid]

Tyrant cycling

[tame tide]

Neutral?

[noble ivy]

really, we're probably at like 180k now

[tame tide]

Surely that'd be more aligned to chaos?

[willow needle]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[zinc topaz]

no bc you're not doing it for any reason that lays on the axis of obedience or rebellion

[clever cloud]

hell me too. irl im a god damn coward that doesnt even commit to helping local dsa beyond my monthly dues. I run away and avoid avoid avoid. But hell if im not gonna kill hitler given the chance

[zinc topaz]

the law does not apply

[willow needle]

HE'S ALIVE!?!?!? /j

[tame tide]

I don't think I agree with that reasoning

[clever cloud]

Al, we started this discussion with restating the alignment charts

[zinc topaz]

i think personally i wish i had less to lose because the desire to actually change the world for the better at my own expense eats away at me constantly and i find myself sleepless sometimes because i can't tune out that desire

but i know i lack the conviction to actually lose things like my freedom or my life

[tame tide]

Yeah but i close discord and open it minutes later and as per usual there's hundreds of messages so I miss stuff

[clever cloud]

oh i totally get it, just said it for info

[zinc topaz]

but the minute the gloves come off and it become apparent im going to lose one of those things regardless, i'd be going out in a blaze

[clever cloud]

everyone has that line where shit hits the fan

[zinc topaz]

there are some people with very ... upsetting to say the least ... flags on their property in my neighborhood

[tame tide]

"I wish to be a martyr and change the world for the better" I say, as I lie on my sofa, typing on discord and continue to watch Minecraft gameplay on YouTube for 2 hours because I'm scared of job applications and lack the energy to go outside after I woke up at 11am

[clever cloud]

meeeeeeeee

[zinc topaz]

the most i've done is throw away someone's sign. makes me feel like kind of a wuss but i have to be honest and admit i like being sble to come home and play video games and talk to the funny people living in my phone

[balmy obsidian]

I donate some money I won't miss to charities and hope for the best
I don't give money to people on the streets because I don't have any on me but I have a credit card full of potential euros
I grumble when the people in power are saying the problme are the people "who don't want to work" when the richer get richer and richer and then I vote for those who don't apparently hate the poor or those with a different skin tone and cross my fingers it won't get ignored or turn out they're also the worst
That's all I do, cause I'm a coward and I'm scared of stepping out of my comfort zone

[willow needle]

-# i saw bad sings in streets before but tbh i was afraid of removing them barehanded as i was told they hide tiny blades to hurt whoever removes them

[zinc topaz]

i'll shout someone down or rip up a westboro/GHF sign in someone's yard but anything that actually would land me in jail i'm afraid to do

i greatly admire the people who are brave enough to lead the revolutions and i wish i was them but i'm not. i give leftovers and pocket cash to people on the street, i volunteer at food banks, i am involved in local mutual aid groups, etc., but i'm not going to end up on a poster as the face of anything bc i'm too afraid to give up what i have

[clever cloud]

whats great about that is that if you do get injured (in the US), no matter if your attempt to remove it is destruction of property, boobytraps are a muuuch worse crime and they would be mega ultra liable for injuries

[shell bison]

You are often surprised by how much good people do in their lives and never make mention of it to anyone simply because it's a moral inclination in them to do the right thing.

Donate to a cause who's benefits they won't see.
Help someone on the road with a busted tire.
Pay for a colleges snacks/lunch.
Give clothes that are no longer needed to shelters.

Doing good isn't for the recognition, you do it simply because it's the right thing to do. And that's enough.

[zinc topaz]

fuck i'm still working on getting to the point where i'm less comfortable living a lie than going out in public without considering societal expectations and whether or not i'll be called a slur

why do i care when people call me slurs? who knows. working on that

[willow needle]

i am the president of an intersex rights association and im affiliated with 3 more and thats...a lot already, and i still feel its not enough.

[zinc topaz]

hell yeah

[clever cloud]

I use a lot of my income to help friends with bills and just get them nice things

[zinc topaz]

i think the core of my belief system could be condensed into "if we don't have each other, we have nothing"

[clever cloud]

100 bucks is not much to me, but i remember when it was life-changing 5 years ago

[balmy obsidian]

I so that sometimes but like

It feels like the bare minimum

So few people do like the bare minimum

[shell bison]

You do what you can.

That's enough.

[zinc topaz]

society, and american society especially is plagued with this individualism that literally kills people

[shell bison]

Because a lot of people, like you said, are fearful of loosing what they got.

So doing what seems like "the bare minimum" is a lot in uncertain times. Which is why you do what you can and therefore it's enough to help people in a lot of need. Every little bit adds to a bucket.

[zinc topaz]

in conclusion d&d alignment is archaic and flawed

[cobalt zealot]

No no I see it
I'd space him

[balmy obsidian]

Anyway my point is my character isn't gonna shoot the big bad evil in the face but someone else in the group probably is and if nothing else that's gonna be great dramatic tension

[zinc topaz]

i think if the power structure of the world wasn't so immensely skewed towards injustice and protecting the perpetuators of it using lethal force, i'd be a bit more of a rebel

i got into trouble in college being involved with people who were doing more than me and realized i didn't have the nerve to be as punk as i wanted to lol

[shell bison]

At that point, you just got to ask what is better?
The outlaw justice of kill him and move on, when calliope and by extension a LOT of other people see if you do evil you just get domed

or

If you do bad stuff you get repromanded by a procedure to show that we are trying to do better by showing all the crimes done and tossing him in a cell. At the end of the day, it's still a human. An awful example of a human, but still a human.

[steady adder]

You could be shooting the big bag evil in the face by having me glue the gun to your hand and making you pull the trigger

[west phoenix]

"started out"? What changed???

[clever cloud]

nothing i think?

[twilit star]

I know you said “in conclusion” but I do wanna bring up my just thought of potential interpretation where the axis of good vs evil is selflessness vs selfishness and lawful vs chaotic is using vs ignoring the status quo.

Lawful Good will try and improve the status quo
Lawful Neutral will try and enforce the status quo
Lawful Evil will try and exploit the status quo

Chaotic Good will try and remove the status quo
Chaotic Neutral will just ignore the status quo
Chaotic Evil will try and replace the status quo outright

Neutral Good will adhere the status quo (positively)
Neutral will obey the status quo
Neutral Evil will adhere to the status quo (selfishly)

[clever cloud]

he's just tired of getting shit on

[west phoenix]

So he's still neutral evil but he's a loser

[twilit star]

The alignment system is always gonna be flawed but imo this is the interpretation I think I can find the most interesting since it may change depending on the nature of the status quo

[zinc topaz]

which, societally, morals do

what is evil to one society could be good to another

depends on how the laws got written

[clever cloud]

my favorite part of pathfinder wrath of the righteous being the lawful neutral character in the evil realms executing people who say "sorry" when bumping into you

[balmy obsidian]

I smell a boyfailure

[twilit star]

So like, examples:

Lawful Good: Civil Rights Lawyer
Lawful Neutral: Court Appointed Prosecutor
Lawful Evil: Corporate Defense Lawyer

Chaotic Good: Rebel
Chaotic Neutral: Hermit
Chaotic Evil: Fascist

Neutral Good: A “good Samaritan” for lack of a better word
Neutral: Average citizen
Neutral Evil: HOA President

[balmy obsidian]

Release the fujoshis

[twilit star]

Going beyond the alignment discussion, Lawyers are genuinely such good examples of “exploiting / adhering to the status quo” imo because they represent how that can mean so many things

[minor orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/gekko-gecko-jump-animal-jump-jumping-gif-16141170250854615488

[dire cloud]

(Act 2) I wouldn't kill ||Steele|| because ||the Cult has a machine that can bring people back from the dead, and I don't want them bringing him back for some reason.||

[minor orchid]

||Steele 2||

[dire cloud]

||Steele, Enriched by the Flame||

[safe glade]

||Heat-Treated Steele||

[willow needle]

spoilers...

[clever cloud]

||Steele, exactly the same but now his ego has absolutely no limit||

[minor orchid]

||In Golden Steel||

[west phoenix]

||haha so true guys||

[twilit star]

Act 2 BIG spoilers: ||Imo, I think Howl in trying to bring Steele back alive is both trying to adhere to and test one status quo while also trying to completely replace another, which really subverts my alignment interpretation and is also really interesting to me just from a writing standpoint||

||Genuinely my favorite part of Howl- feels very Leverage of her||

[willow needle]

||i can do it too you know||

[twilit star]

||Dead Men don’t pay their debts||

[clever cloud]

||Can Union really truly punish Evil? Tune in at 5 to find out!! -Howl||

[twilit star]

||I’m running my Howl as using the prosecution of Steele to test if Union is really all it’s cracked up to be, so yeah exactly that||

[west phoenix]

This chat looks like a fuckin scp article

[minor orchid]

||Ipswitch: Today we are here with Howl to see what's more effective: Union's measures or a fucking blackbeard to the face!!!!||

[twilit star]

||”We totally would arrest Steele, but um, we don’t have jurisdiction in Calliope”
“Okay here’s Steele in a cage, prosecute him cowards.”||

[clever cloud]

we're talking about some alignment stuff relevant to act 2 and the punishment of evil

[west phoenix]

[twilit star]

Genuinely, I think watching Leverage + Leverage Redemption is a very good way to get ideas on how to narratively write justice outside the law that isn’t just murder

The revenge plans get so elaborate and they’re so fun to watch

[supple carbon]

||I to can write spoilers||

[twilit star]

And Leverage has a ton of fun with its antags ranging from “this guy’s kinda complicated and sympathetic but we’re still gonna destroy his life” to “hey wanna watch some lesbians disassemble a neo nazi cell?”

It’s pretty camp in a lot of regards is a way a friend described it, but that’s kinda what makes it fun. I mean we love IGF for a reason lol

[balmy obsidian]

Huh, second time I hear about Leverage