In Golden Flame

[noble ivy]

Leo's getting cranky...

[tame tide]

I really like dying the ends of my hair but not the whole thing

[west phoenix]

he needs his nappy

[tame tide]

Leo

With spite

[zinc topaz]

ayo

[tame tide]

🤣

Meow you can't just delete that

[noble ivy]

[insert "when the haters get me" door meme]

[west phoenix]

i can and will

[supple carbon]

what did meow say

[minor orchid]

can I susbstitute it with a hug and a goodnight kiss?

[tame tide]

Sure, I hold no power over you

[minor orchid]

YEEEEEE

Leo come here you little sh*t

https://tenor.com/view/villatx-kitty-hug-cat-hug-gif-1061712983580250405

[balmy obsidian]

I don't wanna work tomorrow im gonna have to send twenty emails

[west phoenix]

waa

[tame tide]

can u send me one instead

[balmy obsidian]

I dont wannaaaaa

[tame tide]

ok

[west phoenix]

send me one too

[balmy obsidian]

Nooooo

[zinc topaz]

ohhh maannnn youve just reminded me i have to go to work tomorrow

[tame tide]

Sure, what's your email address

[west phoenix]

no not you

leo

[last leaf]

hair...

[tame tide]

Pronoucne

[balmy obsidian]

I wanna talk with the transes in my phones

[last leaf]

pronoun-ciation is hard...

[tame tide]

Real

So real for that Leo

[noble ivy]

whachu call me?

[zinc topaz]

my pfp not being cropped i think gives more context as to why i dont think i look androgynous

[balmy obsidian]

Sick

[last leaf]

oh shit you look nice

that's a killer look

[tame tide]

Why sleep if I can commune with the trans Calliope hivemind

[west phoenix]

lets link together

[balmy obsidian]

Almost wrote dick instead of sick because azerty keyboard

[west phoenix]

you can totally trust being in my brain

[noble ivy]

yooo that earring looks genuinely sick

[west phoenix]

at least take them out to dinner first

[balmy obsidian]

No

[tame tide]

NGL I think you're doing a pretty good job

[last leaf]

I need to get my ears pierced ngl

[tame tide]

The piercing fuck

[zinc topaz]

thanks its from amazon for like $3

[noble ivy]

same...

[west phoenix]

yeah fr

[balmy obsidian]

Romance is hard and i hate it

[west phoenix]

i miss my piercings 😭

[zinc topaz]

piercings are addicting

[noble ivy]

someone stab my earlobes already

[west phoenix]

i had ear studs and a cool nose stud but i LOST THEM and i haven't had them replaced

[tame tide]

Funny when I was on my internship and I was in a meeting and I look around the meetinggn room like... "I think I have more piecinggs on me thann everyone else in the room combined"

I AM SO SAD I HAD TO GET RID OF MY SNAKE BITES

THEY ARE SO COOL AND THEY FUCKED MY TEETH

😭

[west phoenix]

snake bites are hot

[tame tide]

SO TRUE

[zinc topaz]

real

[tame tide]

I NMEEEED THEM

[west phoenix]

but yeah they fuck with your teeth which is why i don't want them lmao

[balmy obsidian]

Snake wha

[zinc topaz]

yea thats why i opted for the vertical labret

i wanted angel fangs too but

[west phoenix]

this

[zinc topaz]

eh maybe i'll swap someday

[last leaf]

certainly if I had to guess I'd say masc but that's definitely still more androgynous than 80-90% of men easy.

[west phoenix]

snake bites

[zinc topaz]

the switch piercings

[balmy obsidian]

Ah

[tame tide]

I still have sligght scars where I had them

I think I only had them for a month

[west phoenix]

i have a small scar on my nose from my nose stud because it was ripped out of me lmao

[tame tide]

OOwoowowww

[last leaf]

so fucking true

[west phoenix]

luckily it didn't like, tear, it just kind of disconnected at the bottom

but it still tugged

[tame tide]

Painn

[west phoenix]

yeah it sucked

[balmy obsidian]

Bread

[west phoenix]

i also dropped my earrings down the sink

[zinc topaz]

that sounds horrible

[west phoenix]

... twice

[last leaf]

tbf any kind of facial piercings I got I'd have to be pretty comfortable with regularly removing. Not exactly like swords mix well with bits of metal in your flesh.

[west phoenix]

it was my fault i took my bag off too quick and the strap got stuck on it

it was like, an over the shoulder bag

[zinc topaz]

if you take them out for longer than a few minutes sometimes they'll just close up

[last leaf]

let alone the historical authenticity issues

[west phoenix]

well you don't have life threatening diseases from existing so its already not historically accurate

[zinc topaz]

my brother's partner had their lip piercing close in the time it took to find the ring after dropping it

[last leaf]

yeah it very much precludes most things outside like, earrings

[last leaf]

it's more a matter of citation to the historical record.

we know tattoos are authentic though at least, for if I ever get any lul.

[west phoenix]

how about i cite all of the ways that you're cool and a good friend

[zinc topaz]

tattoos are also addicting

i like to sleep during mine :3

[noble ivy]

only if I do the same for you, Meow

[west phoenix]

nvm

fuck you

[west phoenix]

never got a tattoo, been considering it i'm just lazy and have limited time lmfao

[west phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-gif-11816971814746635421

[zinc topaz]

i want more but theyre so god damn expensive

[west phoenix]

i don't know what i'd even get lmao, probably just my favorite albums

[zinc topaz]

real

[tame tide]

Tattoos are cool but there's none I'd wannt lol

[zinc topaz]

i got a deftones tattoo most recently actually

[west phoenix]

KKB civilization my beloved... love this album

[tame tide]

My music taste has changed too much over the past 5-7 years for me to want one

[clever cloud]

ok, dude, you just need a winged eyeliner. this is insane

[tame tide]

And I don't wanna go "OMG I LOVE THIS BAND", wait "OMG THE HEAD SINGER IS A NONCE... PISS"

[noble ivy]

I'll either get a microscopic tattoo that's the most obscure reference I could make... Or a full yakuza back mural of Godzilla
there is no in between

[west phoenix]

i listened to this album a lot when i made a move across the country and it was a huge change in my life

and i mean, its just a great album

[tame tide]

🦞 tattoo

[zinc topaz]

i want a sweet trip you will never know why tattoo but am hesitant for multiple reasons

[west phoenix]

vent crab

[tame tide]

VEnt crab tattoo WOULD go hard

[west phoenix]

a tattoo of that one picture of loki dog with the blunt

[last leaf]

we even know that the kings of england (until at least the late 11th century) had special royal tattoos to mark their kingship.

We just don't have any knowledge of what said tats looked likr except for the fact they existed

[zinc topaz]

we go back to i think it looks really good when someone else dolls me up all pretty but i look like a maniac when i do it myself

[west phoenix]

just start maniac maxing

[zinc topaz]

bc i agree with you eyeliner on me feels great but i suck so fucking bad at it

and i dont know how

i paint minis

how is it different

[west phoenix]

its because you're a maxi

[last leaf]

true that would really complete the look wouldn't it

[noble ivy]

start painting with a mirror(???)

[tame tide]

It isn't different. Just strugggle to paint eyes

Get this as a tattoo on my lower back

[last leaf]

in fairness minis are small and in front of you not on your face (what minis you paint?)

[clever cloud]

perspective; you're painting in a mirror and skin moves a ton

[noble ivy]

spoiler mark that I got jumpscared again

[tame tide]

Skill issue TBH

[dire cloud]

Toki

[tame tide]

You resist it?

[zinc topaz]

i used to have a photo of myself with makeup and a ... a necklace .. on . but i got a new phone and was like pfff when will i ever use this

[west phoenix]

i mean... he is a tramp

[zinc topaz]

but yea trust me if i knew how to do that shit i would

[clever cloud]

I suggest looking up various eyeliner styles and just trying shit out before every shower

[last leaf]

I've got a couple ideas as to what I might get for tattoos - mostly just I want to wait for one of my friends gets another tattoo and make a tattoo date of it because doing anything like this for the first time is scary

[noble ivy]

-# if we're sharing pics I wonder if I should do a Juli face reveal...

[tame tide]

The makeup I do is making all of my face blue

[clever cloud]

here's a big secret, doll yourself up to the heavens right before a shower

[zinc topaz]

true i mean its markedly more difficult for many reasons but still

[west phoenix]

you will never see a meow face reveal

... mostly because i haven't taken a picture since a year ago

not that much changed tbh

[clever cloud]

I haven't seen your face in years

[last leaf]

this is because meow is actually someone's very convincing sockpuppet

[west phoenix]

i don't really exist anymore

[tame tide]

Meow has done a face reveeal, it's this

[west phoenix]

oh no....

[zinc topaz]

i was about to say are you not that cat

[west phoenix]

oh wait i can't read

[last leaf]

no we got catfished

[west phoenix]

i thought you were going to post something horrendous

[tame tide]

Hello can't read

I'm AL

[noble ivy]

No its this

[west phoenix]

hammers

[tame tide]

BET

HAMMERS

[west phoenix]

legit not too different; i kind of want to change the design of my 'sona' to fit with how i look now but the general shape and vibes are there

[zinc topaz]

taking notes

[west phoenix]

i have pretty short hair now tho

[tame tide]

My hair keeps getting longer

None shalt shave it (I am lazy)

[west phoenix]

I KNOW I HATE IT

[last leaf]

Al you look really nice in your pfp, very genuinely.

But it also reminds me uncannily of my dad when hes cleanshaven

[west phoenix]

i feel like i just cut it

[tame tide]

😩

Spear included?

[minor orchid]

inhales

QUIERES?!

[tame tide]

I am your dad

[zinc topaz]

i have the opposite issue i havent cut my hair in 2 1/2 years and i feel like it's been the same length the whole time

[last leaf]

less that although I'm sure I could let him borrow mine

[zinc topaz]

when i used to have my hair way past my shoulders and i only grew it out for 2 years to get it there

[tame tide]

If yours is an actual spear mines made of foam so I thinkk I'd lose

[west phoenix]

man... now i'm considering sharing... even after everyhing i said

[tame tide]

Don't need to if you don't want to

[noble ivy]

I'm the same, I get hair cuts like... once a year so my hair's long as hell

[tame tide]

I'm just stupid

[last leaf]

I haven't cut my hair for many an age. Resists urge to recite the song of durin Since what, 2018 I think?

[west phoenix]

we know

[clever cloud]

send it to my dm's and i will describe it

[tame tide]

thank

[west phoenix]

i cut mine like, 4 months ago. it was lower neck and now it rests on my shoulders

[noble ivy]

-# She will make an ascii rendition for us

[last leaf]

spear!

sorry for poor quality photo, my phone is shit, I'm lying in bed, and I still need to buy more lightbulbs.

[minor orchid]

SPEAR!

now

[zinc topaz]

i cut my hair 3 years ago to be howl for sdcc

[noble ivy]

-# you probably also need to go to sleep, my friend

[tame tide]

Spear

[minor orchid]

add explosives to the tip

[tame tide]

Holy fuck

[minor orchid]

THAT WAS A LITTLE CRINGE, MY LIEGE

[west phoenix]

humina humina

[hybrid salmon]

spear

[zinc topaz]

before that it was like

[hybrid salmon]

and person

[zinc topaz]

halfway down my back

[noble ivy]

and now you can be another howl for IGF

[zinc topaz]

AHAHH

true

[minor orchid]

TWO HOWLS?!

damn

[tame tide]

Vampire lookin ass

[hybrid salmon]

you know what? sure

get in the mech hot guy

[jovial beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/858773920000638977/1416224429641433139/cat-long-neck-cat-funny-1.gif

where?!

[tame tide]

Real

Same

[clever cloud]

you have incredibly tender eyes

[zinc topaz]

but yea i cut like 2/3 of it off and also bleached the absolute shit out of it so it was a drastic change and i've been nervous to cut it again since

[last leaf]

everything else is self evident naturally, you look hot as fuck, water is wet, yadda yadda but uuugh I just want to say that I love your shirt there so much

[minor orchid]

Inside of me there's-

[tame tide]

Help, my body wasn't made for two wolves

[minor orchid]

damn it

[zinc topaz]

that is a very sweet thing to say thank you 😭

[last leaf]

introduce a third wolf to eat the other two

[jovial beacon]

i saw the d/d and remember this vid

[zinc topaz]

i like the one that goes "one is gay, the other is gay, they are boyfriends"

[tame tide]

They

KISS

GAYLY

[noble ivy]

we've made a "there are two wives inside you" joke here too

[minor orchid]

You have 500 NHP's inside your mech

[tame tide]

"there's two wives inside you"
"You're being pegged"

[last leaf]

ah fuck I think I still need to wash my regency shirt

[zinc topaz]

oh to have two wives inside of you

[last leaf]

the dream...

[west phoenix]

iconoclast doing 501AP energy damage

[noble ivy]

-# "I didn't mean it like that but good for you, my friend"

[zinc topaz]

-# i figured you didn't

[noble ivy]

[west phoenix]

we wifeposting up in here

[minor orchid]

it is wifeposting hours indeed

[shell bison]

lmao

[tame tide]

[shell bison]

people be happy to post wife moments

[minor orchid]

"Casually"

[last leaf]

I should really sleep... I have class in the morning

but I have loved chatting with you guys

[west phoenix]

thisis where i would post about my wife....
IF I HAD ONE

[tame tide]

I should really sleep... I have unemployed in the morning

[zinc topaz]

literally

[last leaf]

They moved my terrorism class from Tuesday afternoon to monday morning, it makes me want to [DATA EXPUNGED]

[shell bison]

all I can offer is bunny doodles

[tame tide]

Blow up parliament?

[west phoenix]

add a new chapter to the book?

[tame tide]

In lancer

[zinc topaz]

but i get the feeling that everyone is kind of each others' wives .. what with the opt-out igf server polycule and all

[last leaf]

become a case study or something yeah

[tame tide]

Ah piss I'm a wife

Oh well

[west phoenix]

thats right

MY wife

[tame tide]

Aight

[west phoenix]

yippie

[clever cloud]

omg congrats!!

[noble ivy]

-# goddamit I was too late...

[west phoenix]

there can be multiple wives

[tame tide]

Wife is a state of mind

[last leaf]

god I wish then again the main reason I'm not actively looking for romance rn is because I've got an unrequited crush on a close friend that I'd want to get over first

[minor orchid]

0: No Wife
1: Wife

[clever cloud]

its me

[west phoenix]

you can just saw its me- FYCK

FUCK YOU

[noble ivy]

"yeah I'm a wife guy... A guy who wants to be a wife"

[tame tide]

Me tbh

[zinc topaz]

the reason i'm not is bc i live in a desert both literally and socially

[last leaf]

f

[west phoenix]

i'm just a bad person

[zinc topaz]

dating is impossible when no one fucking lives around you and you match the same guy who ghosted you already

[tame tide]

I live in somewhere worse... The midlands 😔

[last leaf]

excuse me you're all delusions of my fevered imagination, I meant someone who exists in the real world

[zinc topaz]

and you find yourself sitting there like yea maybe this is a good idea

[last leaf]

good thing the midlands aren't real

[tame tide]

Wren, you've been in a coma for the past 5 months... The accident wasn't your fault. It's me your wife. Please wake up

[last leaf]

the other reason is because online dating seems like hell actually and hmm maybe I'd rather not.

[zinc topaz]

online dating is actually way sicker than irl dating in my experience

well maybe not it comes with more heartbreak

[last leaf]

tbf I never said that irl was necessarily any better

[zinc topaz]

im definitely not in love with my friend who lives in germany :3

[last leaf]

godspeed

[tame tide]

I found out why dating is hard the other day

[zinc topaz]

pray tell

[last leaf]

Al, dispenser of wisdom teeth

give us your wisdom (teeth)

[west phoenix]

you too huh...

[tame tide]

• I was speaking to my friend, another friend mentions rimworld
• I just say "who out rimming they world" because my brains rotten to the core
• she says "omg Al, I never expect jokes like that coming from you"
• me: wdym
• friend: you're ace right
• me: no 💀

[west phoenix]

idk i tried online dating and it was... fine. i think its just me as a person

[zinc topaz]

🤝

[west phoenix]

i am a deeply romantical person who knows its best that i don't get involved because bad things will happen

[minor orchid]

Online dating is... not for everyone: I guess it's the best way to put it (for me at least)

[west phoenix]

idk if dating is even for me, bruh

[clever cloud]

damn....

[tame tide]

I was sent to the pits of Tartarus that day

[zinc topaz]

i think i'm just a lovesick dumbass

[last leaf]

[tame tide]

I'm just a dumbass

[west phoenix]

i'm just

[tame tide]

You're

[clever cloud]

im just an ass

[last leaf]

That is pretty funny though you gotta admit

[tame tide]

It was very funny

[minor orchid]

Just an ass?!

...

where the rest of the body?

[zinc topaz]

youre so much more

[tame tide]

She said she would be less embarrassed if she just misgendered me lmao

[jovial beacon]

now i really want to meet howl in hipo party

[last leaf]

eleonor donkey with a keyboard confirmed

[jovial beacon]

[tame tide]

Auto correct wanted me to change misgendered to transgendered lmao

[minor orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/donkey-hammock-chill-baby-cute-gif-17352496

[west phoenix]

my dating experience has been someone asking me out, me saying its probably not a good idea, them saying its okay, and then me being right

[last leaf]

me when aforementioned close friend put He/Them as my pronouns on my nametag at training last week

[tame tide]

Damn that's crazy

Are they wrong?

[zinc topaz]

i think my life would be so much better if i didnt have to wear a name tag

whoever came up with those should be drug out into the street and shot

[tame tide]

I meet someone -> I talk about lancer -> I talk about lancer -> I talk about lancer -> I talk about lancer -> they leave -> I meet someone

[zinc topaz]

i usually dont even get past the texting on an app part bc they ask what my hobbies are and i say "ttrpgs" and they go "what is that" and before i know it

[last leaf]

I'd been chatting with them about gender stuff previously and like they asked me what pronouns I wanted on the nametag but it was by going, "Hey you want He/Them, right?" and I didn't object. It's not as if I'd explicitly said to them that I wanted those pronouns or anything but it did feel warm and fuzzy so yanno idk???

[zinc topaz]

i have discovered that warm and fuzzy feeling is the top of a deep well of much better feelings

[tame tide]

For me it was when my pronounce were he/they (:vomit:) and someone referred to me as the first one (:vomit:) and it felt like I'd been stabbed by verbal knives

[last leaf]

nametags are genuinely situationally very useful. My friend giving all the reenactment vets and newbies colour coded nametags on their helmets was genuinely so smart for the first session.

[west phoenix]

funny enough my ex got me into lancer

well, her and eleonor equally

played with my ex before she played with me lmao

[zinc topaz]

wow i joined this discord server to learn more about a mech game and its turned out to be a support group

[tame tide]

ELEONOR IS YOUR EX!?!?

[tame tide]

Real

I'm just the funky maps person

[last leaf]

this thread is actually a separate server masquerading as a thread

[tame tide]

I made maps once, then I get praised like the Messiah and then I get free therapy and forcefemmed

[west phoenix]

i'm the annoying cat

i don't really do anything, just meow a lot

[zinc topaz]

meeoow

[tame tide]

Meows are heavily appreciated tbf

[last leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/he-is-the-messiah-monty-gif-19570851

[clever cloud]

Lisan Al-gaib

[shell bison]

does that make me the bunny uncle?

[tame tide]

Buncle

[zinc topaz]

i posted one nelson token i made and The Tokens Guy complimented me on it

[last leaf]

part of it may have also just been that it was them assigning them for me but that's less comfy to think about.

[zinc topaz]

which felt pretty good

i hadnt even realized all the cool tokens i was saving to my computer were made by that guy

[tame tide]

Pixel?

[clever cloud]

the nelson+atlas? dude that shit was sexy!

[zinc topaz]

yes and yes

[tame tide]

Natlas

Alson

[zinc topaz]

the worst part is the player might not even end up using it lol

he doesnt like the color scheme 😭

[clever cloud]

give it to me!!!

I will tattoo it on my skin

[last leaf]

anyway I'll eep now for realsies, seeya all tomorrow or whatever

[tame tide]

Sleeb

Rest well

[zinc topaz]

see yaaaaa 💛

[tame tide]

May your dreams be blessed with...

Uuuh

Mech

[noble ivy]

give it to a named pirate and have them kick your players asses

[last leaf]

he'll find it so funny people are referring to him as the token guy ngl

[west phoenix]

idk. whats the relation to the cat part

[zinc topaz]

png

[clever cloud]

AAAAAAAAAA

[west phoenix]

new roland token

[clever cloud]

I can't. Roland doesn't deserve it

[zinc topaz]

at least i think that sent as a png

[clever cloud]

nop XD

[zinc topaz]

fUCK wait a sec

[shell bison]

I love the mask on that guy

[zinc topaz]

i have to get up and go to my computerrrr 😔😔

[clever cloud]

This is gonna be my OSR build. I'm gonna make it happen if it kills me

[west phoenix]

he doesn't

[noble ivy]

Mechs performing Iaidō will always kick ass

[west phoenix]

i thought you said you were gonna play john lancer

[clever cloud]

Yes! but he has a sword

[west phoenix]

and you know damn well bella can't figure out how to use foundry

[clever cloud]

girl, damn i really need to teach her stuff when that time comes

[zinc topaz]

there

[clever cloud]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[tame tide]

Anyway Its 2:40am, I'm functioning on probs less than 6 hours of sleep...and that sleep was in a tent in the middle of a forest in the middle of autumn

[zinc topaz]

plus the fade cloak version

[noble ivy]

YOOOO THE FUCKING BLUE FOR THE CLOAK!!!!

[west phoenix]

you and i are the only ones who can do basic things in foundry. everyone else its kind banging two rocks together

[clever cloud]

man...

[zinc topaz]

foundry is aboslutely perplexing

[clever cloud]

why are our friends so dumb

[west phoenix]

"let me open my character sheet"
5 minutes later

kugel giving us the play by play on swinging his sword like he's fucking light from death note

[clever cloud]

BONE CESTUS

[west phoenix]

bro don't even do nothin

INJECTOR PISTOL, ZOOLOGIST

[noble ivy]

-# the smartest decision I ever made was to copy your foundry setup

[zinc topaz]

slight OSR spoiler so tagged but this is my attempt at making the map for the second combat

[west phoenix]

yeah its great

[clever cloud]

❤️

[west phoenix]

WHOA

[zinc topaz]

i dont know how to make it like... work though??

it looks alright but shit disappears behind buildings and the layers are all kinds of fucked

[tame tide]

Farewell bizarre gay internet strangers who I like who live inside my computer

[west phoenix]

yeah idk... i don't do maps

[tame tide]

I depart to the realm of sleep

MAPS!?!?!?

NO BED

[west phoenix]

GO TO SLEEP

SLEEP

SLEEP SLEEP SLEEP

[clever cloud]

LEAVE

[tame tide]

MAPS

[noble ivy]

are you using Grape's Isometric module?

[tame tide]

-# MAPS

[zinc topaz]

no i think its called epic isometric?

[tame tide]

-# ma... Maps...

[noble ivy]

WE LOVE YOU AL BUT GO TO EEP

[zinc topaz]

its not grape juice

it might also literally just be called isometric module

[clever cloud]

everyone go to sleep

you too, jen

[west phoenix]

inkmate is the best for maps, but man i'm stuck using dungeondraft maps

they're fine, but not as good as what i'm used to

[west phoenix]

its not even 7pm

[noble ivy]

but the sun's still up here??!?

[clever cloud]

fuck you

go to sleep

[noble ivy]

[west phoenix]

yeah the sun is still up lmao

juli and i live like 10 mins away from each other

[noble ivy]

westest coast bestest coast

[clever cloud]

promise?

[west phoenix]

westest coastest bestest coastest

[zinc topaz]

i live presumably in the same time zone (6:48pm rn?) and the sun has been down for me for like an hour and a half

[west phoenix]

norcal and washington... so pretty much

[clever cloud]

isn't there an entire fucking state in the way????

[noble ivy]

If I ever visit washington I'll go pspspspsps to try and find you

[west phoenix]

just a 10 min drive through dastardly oregon

[west phoenix]

no shortage of catgirls here....

[zinc topaz]

lucky

[noble ivy]

just gotta drive through Gravity Falls and everything will be alright

[west phoenix]

tbh i haven't really been around the PNW outside of seattle, a few areas outside of seattle, and bellingham

[zinc topaz]

i used to want to move to bellingham when i was a kid

[west phoenix]

its alright

[zinc topaz]

coastal living is just too expensive tho

[west phoenix]

yeah its kind of expensive here

[zinc topaz]

i mean shit arizona isnt cheap either but now im looking at like middle of nowhere in minnesota or something

its rapidly getting more expensive lol

however .. i am about to move into my own place with no roommates so i cant complain too much

[west phoenix]

living on your own is great

[zinc topaz]

its only taken a painstaking amount of saving

[zinc topaz]

also iirc its just a vlad head i colored white

[west phoenix]

it good

[zinc topaz]

the vlad is so cool ... sigh

[west phoenix]

good or bad sigh

[zinc topaz]

mmm yearning sigh i think

[noble ivy]

Why is vlad the only one with a drill

[west phoenix]

real

i like the vlad but i never once wanted to play it...

[zinc topaz]

exotic gear:

[west phoenix]

i was considering used the license on a forever saggy martha

[noble ivy]

exotic gear: Giga Drill Breaker (instantly kills weebs)

[zinc topaz]

i think if i ever get to play lancer i'll run with a lich tho

god they fucking nailed that design

mechanically and visually

[west phoenix]

spooky dave

[noble ivy]

I thought spooky david was the calendula?

[west phoenix]

there's too many mechs i wanna play...

idk who the fuck spooky dave is

[zinc topaz]

AHAHHA

[west phoenix]

scary willy

[noble ivy]

Horrific Mathew

[west phoenix]

horrific meow

[clever cloud]

man... we could make a party with the people right here...

[west phoenix]

just the 3 of us

[clever cloud]

who's GMing NOT IT

[noble ivy]

[west phoenix]

...4

i can't count

[zinc topaz]

frightful steve

[west phoenix]

NOT IT

[zinc topaz]

not it

[west phoenix]

sorry juli

[noble ivy]

damn...

[zinc topaz]

im scared to dm lancer anyways

[clever cloud]

congrats juji

[west phoenix]

i am going to play the worst build

[clever cloud]

lancer is really nice to GM for actually

[noble ivy]

oh well
who's ready to meet the worst GM of your life

[clever cloud]

the system wants you to succeed

[west phoenix]

yeah i love GMing lancer

[clever cloud]

i already know bella

[west phoenix]

wait who said i was GMing?

[west phoenix]

what the fuck is a GM who hates losing going to do

[noble ivy]

Short Cycle Lance

[west phoenix]

do they just make it too easy for us because they don't want us to lose? or do they not want to lose?

[clever cloud]

TPK and then revive us after every combat

[zinc topaz]

i actually really like that lancer expects players to lose some combats and gives outcomes for varying degrees of success and failure

[west phoenix]

losing can be fun!

[zinc topaz]

part of what i really hate about d&d and the fact that its the

[noble ivy]

I need to be less merciful as a GM...

[zinc topaz]

-# only fucking game i can get people to play

[west phoenix]

yeah...

[zinc topaz]

is that losing kind of fucking sucks in that game

[west phoenix]

i hate DND

kicking a dead horse there

[noble ivy]

plus dnd always boils down to "which side has the most amount of meat..."

[zinc topaz]

and like once my party hit level 17 or so and the stakes became "save the world or it gets destroyed"

[west phoenix]

it varies from party to party and you have to set expectations
but yeah, you should fuck em up every now and then

[zinc topaz]

i mean what am i going to do let them lose

[west phoenix]

yes

world gone, bye idiots

time to play a good game

[clever cloud]

and 5e especially devolves into who can do 100+ dmg in a single turn before anyone can do anything

[zinc topaz]

sorry guys campaign lasted a year and a half but you all die to the god of death and the world is destroyed forever

[zinc topaz]

seriously

and i had a paladin player complaining about it

[noble ivy]

To quote one of my players:
"Juli I can feel you holding back... just kill us already"

[west phoenix]

oh hey eleonor, i came to a funny realization about my starfinder campaign this morning on my 2nd shower (the one i wasn't passing out during_

[zinc topaz]

i dont understand how d&d is so popular

[clever cloud]

money

[zinc topaz]

the base setting sucks and the mechanics suck and

is it literally just bc of brand recognition

[west phoenix]

idk how much is spoilers for igf but i'll say that the leviathans opposed the fire witches.... yet another check on how similar the two narratives were

[noble ivy]

It's a Kleenex situation except for an entire genre of games...

[shell bison]

It's the system that was the legacy pick out of all the others

[zinc topaz]

adhesive strips

yea that just stinks. and it's like

[clever cloud]

at least with 2024 ruleset doing absolutely fucking terribly financially, there's a lot more space for other games

[noble ivy]

just keep bugging people like i did

[zinc topaz]

i have seen in my own group a hesitance to get out of the d&d-o-sphere based literally on the fact that saying "i'm playing d&d" is more appealing to say to someone than "i'm playing XYZ unknown ttrpg"

[west phoenix]

also like, they changed so much shit people liked for no reason lol

[clever cloud]

right now everyone's buying into games that are directly advertising themselves to be 5e alternatives, like Draw Steel and the one from critical role

but I hope the market expands

[zinc topaz]

i have tried myself to write up a 5e alternative system

[west phoenix]

thats a lot of work

[noble ivy]

I need to make a "beware the pipeline meme" but for ttrpg systems

[zinc topaz]

i have been on and off working on it for years bc of my endless frustrations with dnd

[clever cloud]

damn.. im the storte

[west phoenix]

i'm offended because i'm she/they and i fucking hate the storte

[noble ivy]

we're all in the storte now

[clever cloud]

for as cool as the viceroy is, i've never seen anyone use it

[zinc topaz]

namely the fact that it appeals to people who want it to be simulationist and therefore pulls away from gamey mechanics that would make the game better

for the sake of realism

[west phoenix]

i don't get the viceroy

why go CQB on weapons that are known for their extreme range

[clever cloud]

devil may cry

[zinc topaz]

i think the viceroy is sick

[west phoenix]

i like it in theory, i don't like that its in the monarch license

[noble ivy]

-# Unsolicited Juli Fact:
Eruca was originally a Viceroy pilot when I came up with the character.
but eventually I felt she vibed more with the Amber Phantom as time went on

[zinc topaz]

the only thing they really have in common is missiles as far as i can tell

[west phoenix]

well, they share the same license

the license is all about long range

[zinc topaz]

well yea

[west phoenix]

the viceroy is not that

[shell bison]

I am a sunzi and gilgi lover but monarch speaks to me as an LRM lover

[zinc topaz]

but thats why im agreeing that its a weird place for it to be

[clever cloud]

oh my god. I have so many mechs i wanna play

[west phoenix]

gilgi enjoyers unite

[clever cloud]

Nelson, atlas, viceroy, amber phantom

[west phoenix]

yeag....

[noble ivy]

although... if I play my cards right I could turn a Viceroy into an Iconoclast ||"Baby on board"|| build...

[zinc topaz]

minotaur, lich, amber phantom, death's head

[west phoenix]

mine are iskander, gilgi, tagetes, kutuzov (i may get to do this), raleigh

you may notice that a lot of the frames have something in common

white witch would be sick if it weren't for the heat cap...

[clever cloud]

white witch actually breaks the damn game

[zinc topaz]

if we're not just fuckin around about playing a game i think i'd go lich for sure but

there are others

oh that reminds me

[clever cloud]

you either bully it with heat = unfun
or it becomes completely invuln = unfun

[west phoenix]

i get it, i just don't like having low heat lol

[zinc topaz]

i did make a white witch token that same player also didnt want to use lmfao

one sec

[noble ivy]

I already know that player was a fool to not use that art

[west phoenix]

i need a HA brawler tank... one that doesn't beat their teammates ass

[zinc topaz]

it's not finished because they ended up switching to a nelson but

[clever cloud]

oh my GOD june

[zinc topaz]

ig you ignore the weird missing and discolored pieces its pretty cool

[west phoenix]

good lort

[clever cloud]

what the FUCK

[west phoenix]

one of my players took "i will make tokens for you" too seriously. bro had the audacity to switch from the token i made him before

... the new one looks better

but the old one was used for ONE COMBAT

[zinc topaz]

tragic... sighh

that probably stung

[west phoenix]

kind of, but i like how the 2nd one looks more lol

it was a lot of work

[zinc topaz]

wip "kerberos" pattern balor for another player that I am disliking the more work I do on it

doesn't look dog enough

[west phoenix]

puppy

[clever cloud]

roland token

[west phoenix]

roland would NOT get in that

[zinc topaz]

the peggy's human arms make it a bit uncanny

[clever cloud]

roland act 2 token, things happened

[west phoenix]

they will happen...

excited for next session, no reason in particular :)

[clever cloud]

fuCK

[zinc topaz]

and then here's an everest tweaked mostly from another one i found online

[west phoenix]

here are the mech tokens i've made (didn't use the last one. imagine me playing a deaths head lmao)

oh and the balor... i'm stupid

[shell bison]

I miss my saladin era

[zinc topaz]

heheeee the kitty one

[west phoenix]

thats piloted by our murderfucker pilot with her NHP daughter in the mech

its fucked up on many levels

also made some drones/deployables

[zinc topaz]

the cube ones are kinda cute

i like them

[west phoenix]

most of these are kind of recolors tbh, the blink anchor had the most work put into it

[zinc topaz]

I'm tempted to reach waaaayyyyyyy too far and make custom tokens for all the IGF npc mechs

just bc i enjoy making stuff

[west phoenix]

thats too damn much lol, but i feel that

[zinc topaz]

but i think i'll settle for named npcs and important bosses that I can't find online

[west phoenix]

running wallflower act 2 there's a few tokens that i want to make...

when it comes to igf i think pixel here has you covered

[zinc topaz]

yea no kidding

[west phoenix]

there's probably a folder

[zinc topaz]

i asked him for a couple pngs and he sent me a fucking drive of them

miracle worker

[clever cloud]

ye, in the pinned comments here, you'll find the GM resource sheet. Pixel has an entry with all the major NPC tokens

there's also a message somewhere in here with the retrogrademinis color palettes for all factions.

I can forward that one

[zinc topaz]

would you kindly

[clever cloud]

oh no...

[zinc topaz]

ill behave myself

i'm just .. curious

[shell bison]

buncern

[west phoenix]

when are you not concern

[dire cloud]

I was first forcefemmed at the age of 13, in a Yahoo chat.

[noble ivy]

I look away for one second and the bunny’s concerned Wuh happen

[west phoenix]

the bunn is always concerned

we're just talking about tokens 😭

[dire cloud]

It was 1997. I went by cube729 then, and at one point someone in there made a sexist joke, and even then I knew it was wrong, so I objected. I don't even remember what it was now.

But afterwards, people just assumed I was a girl and used she and her for me, and for some reason this didn't distress me.

"for some reason" they say :V

[west phoenix]

someone heard my child voice in a TF2 game and thought i was a girl and thats when i realized i wanted to be

it wasn't even on my account

[zinc topaz]

does it distress cis people when people on the internet assume they're not the gender they are

[west phoenix]

and when people would ask i'd be like "yeah i'm a girl :)" without knowing being trans was a thing, i just wanted to be so i said to them i was lol

[hybrid salmon]

This is probably a good calibration for me too

[zinc topaz]

my typing mannerisms and the fact i usually play as a female character make most people think im a girl on online games and i always just roll with it

i think its the :3

[west phoenix]

now :3 is for the fascist femboys, you never know these days 😔

[zinc topaz]

but ive been :3ing as long as ive been typing 😭

[hybrid salmon]

(I don’t have Obvious Child Trans Experiences to pull from. Except that my kindergarten best friend was a girl)

[dire cloud]

Anyway, gay night, everyone! hugs

[noble ivy]

Only girls can be silly /j

[hybrid salmon]

:3 can survive

[clever cloud]

I think i was forced to explore gender when people kept forcing masculinity upon me

[zinc topaz]

i picked it up from a very nice monster hunter player who carried me through lr the first time i played on online hubs lmao

[zinc topaz]

i used to not think i did but

[west phoenix]

you're welcome btw

[clever cloud]

sent, btw

[zinc topaz]

i did call myself a "tomgirl" after finding out what a tomboy was in like 1st grade

bc i was like yea im like the opposite

[clever cloud]

oh, hun...

[west phoenix]

i am 100% a tomboy

[clever cloud]

insufferable? yea

[west phoenix]

yep

[zinc topaz]

made total sense to me at the time

oh and the fact that i really really wanted to be samus for halloween one year

[noble ivy]

-# not the same… but before my egg broke, I remember desperately googling “how to become a femboy”

[zinc topaz]

and i was like yea shes in a robot suit hows anyone gonna know shes a girl

duhh

[clever cloud]

damn yall

[zinc topaz]

-# so have i ..

[west phoenix]

the title of femboy has been corrupted

[zinc topaz]

but its like i said before i really do think it would be disingenuous to say i dont feel like a dude at all. mentally its like an 80%/20% but physically its like a 20%/80% and you know what when i put it that way it sounds like maybe i have some more thinking on the subject to do

[clever cloud]

it's funny that im not sure in which direction the ratios are going

[zinc topaz]

girl/guy

[clever cloud]

oh dude same then

im like that

[zinc topaz]

i think if i could be treated like girls are treated and perceived the way girls are percieved

that would make me feel more comfortable

but i dont necessarily want to change how i look a whooooleee lot. kinda just wish i was daintier and prettier, really, and that i could look good in women's clothing bc i like the way it looks 1000x more than men's clothing

men's clothing sucks

waiter waiter more t shirt and jeans please

[clever cloud]

oh man, i also have a ton of gripes with women clothing, but i completely get it

[west phoenix]

no pockets

[clever cloud]

stupid crotch seams

[zinc topaz]

i have a few pieces in my wardrobe that are womens' and theyre just so much more visually interesting

[clever cloud]

my advice, start E, try it out for like a month and see if you like how you feel. It really does work, mentally/emotionally, that fast

... im trying to come up with an expression about a balance..

this opinion? one extreme in your considerations of this very personal choice

[zinc topaz]

it's definitely not something i havent considered lol

well. that i'm not still considering, evidently

the main reason i hadn't is because i was like 22 when i first started really putting the pieces together in my head about why i've always been so dissatisfied with my appearance and such and, yknow by then I'd already sort of cemented a lot of biological changes lol

[west phoenix]

i started HRT when i was 24(?)

its never too late

[zinc topaz]

i mean if 15 year old me wasn't so oblivious (and dating a republican) who knows where i'd had ended up but

[clever cloud]

dude i started at 25

bodies are maleable

[zinc topaz]

yea, and that's why i say it's something i'm still considering. ultimately it is something i dont think i have the answer to yet, which only adds to the whole thing

though one of my coworkers tells me i would make a pretty girl all the time and has given "well maybe if you transitioned" as advice multiple times 😭

[clever cloud]

WELL YOU WOULD

[west phoenix]

us @ leo

but yeah, you're already beautiful

[zinc topaz]

idk when i really think about it though there are things that make me dysphoric on both ends. i couldnt ever imagine someone calling me mom, dad feels better, but i dont think of myself as entirely a man either

[west phoenix]

girldad

daddy in a girl way

[zinc topaz]

complex stuff. my answer to it is usually gender is stupid i dont participate in it

[clever cloud]

I used husban at my wedding 2 months ago

im dad

[west phoenix]

as someone who would like kids:
yeah i got no idea what i'd want them to call me lol

[zinc topaz]

i think its such a shame that gender is seen as a binary in most peoples minds. there's so many beautiful possibilities and most people are just wholly closed off from them

i feel really sorry for anyone who clicks on this channel thinking this is a server about a mech game

[clever cloud]

sometimes i feel like nonbinary should be the starting line

[clever cloud]

im not!

[zinc topaz]

i think that makes sense

[clever cloud]

this channel is for forcefemming only

[zinc topaz]

😭😭❤️

[west phoenix]

me when i get loki

[shell bison]

Has Archie even seen loki yet?

[west phoenix]

no

[shell bison]

lmao

[clever cloud]

gender sucks, lets delete it

[west phoenix]

we all missed a very important NPC because wren decided just you should meet him 😔

really disappointed

[zinc topaz]

i just wish you didn't have to commit so fuckin hard to societal expectations on you to be one way or another

[west phoenix]

you don't have to

or maybe i'm just beyond caring i don't even notice it anymore

[clever cloud]

simply dont give a fuck

[west phoenix]

yeah like, legit what i do

[west phoenix]

they would dangerous together.... too much fuckboy energy in one room

[zinc topaz]

that's probably the best way to go about it really

[west phoenix]

i got more important stuff to worry about than what people call me

[shell bison]

True, nearly nearly gave him a shot

[west phoenix]

like "why the fuck do my players keep saying they can't make the session last minute"

[clever cloud]

there's a lot that comes from within wherein people's opinions just dont fucking matter anymore

regarding gender

[zinc topaz]

i think i gave this example this morning but the way people would ideally perceive my gender is like the same way people "perceive the gender" of a passing cute animal

[west phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-kiss-cat-love-cute-cat-hug-gif-27083157

cats

[zinc topaz]

like if you see a bird land nearby or a cat in the window youre like "hey little guy, he's cute"

[clever cloud]

me, sees a bird on the sidewalk
also me: DEMON!!

[zinc topaz]

or like looking at a totally sexually monomorphic bird and deciding to call it her

idk. i think its just bc youre not really projecting expectations onto it

youre just appreciating the animal for existing and looking pretty lol

[clever cloud]

god yeah, i want this for humanity too

[west phoenix]

i am ogling as we speak

[zinc topaz]

you think conversations like this are what led to tom and miguel coming up with union lmao

[west phoenix]

no i think they were like "i think its a good idea to make the HMG the best weapon in the game :)"

[clever cloud]

no, they said "6 billion demons is not enough"

[zinc topaz]

i've always gravitated super heavily towards dark fantasy and especially grimdark sci fi

[west phoenix]

6 billion primochamps

[zinc topaz]

but somehow i find myself really captivated by how optimistic lancer is

[clever cloud]

i looove hopemaxxing in lancer

[zinc topaz]

it really is a different feeling imagining a world you want to protect instead of one you have to fight to survive in

and dont get me wrong i still really like grimdark shit but. it's a nice change of pace

[west phoenix]

yeah, i got into lancer at one of the worst points of my life. it helped me get out of it a lot

[zinc topaz]

i think i project a lot of my misery and fears onto my creative works and that's just kinda been my MO for as long as i've been making stuff

[clever cloud]

grimdark is cool when you can point at it and say "oh thank god it's not this bad irl"

[zinc topaz]

which is pretty much the entire last 24 years ive been alive

[west phoenix]

thats just part of art, what you project on it is what makes it special imo

this is why i love works that just hold their inspirations on their sleeves (igf with borderlands and homestuck)

[zinc topaz]

a couple of huge ones in one of my projects are katana zero and lisa the painful

[west phoenix]

i accidently took inspiration from something i haven't even played...

[zinc topaz]

both of those games connected with so many feelings i couldnt put into words and they made me realize i had to put them into writing

which subsequently helped me process a lot of those feelings through the perspective of fictional people i invented lmfao

[clever cloud]

ok, but i had a sudden and horrible burst of inspiration to make a Tony Hawk Lancer one-shot... whatever the FUCK that means

[zinc topaz]

mechs on skateboards doing nasty tricks

[noble ivy]

-# wait hold up I got a meme for this

[west phoenix]

mine was a friend reading my lancer setting and being like "you realize you made barghest from cyberpunk?" about one of the factions despite me never playing the DLC...

[zinc topaz]

i somehow entirely avoided homestuck my whole life and igf is making me curious about it lol

[clever cloud]

save yourself

[west phoenix]

do not

[zinc topaz]

heard loud and clear

[west phoenix]

i never read homestuck and i hate borderlands

igf is peak

[zinc topaz]

what ive read of igf so far is like

i want there to be a novel

[clever cloud]

playing borderlands 2 and realizing igf is simply fucking better

[zinc topaz]

the fact that it's a ttrpg campaign and i can experience it is cool and all but the story is SO fucking compelling

[zinc topaz]

that i almost dont want a part in it

[west phoenix]

igf just has so much depth

the entirety of wallflower doesn't have as much depth as the worldbuilding of igf :)

[clever cloud]

i totally get that, but the participating really elevates it. Partaking in this story feels intimate and empowering in a super cool way

[zinc topaz]

the characters mmaaannnnnn fuck

[west phoenix]

yeah, every random mfer has so much personality and character

[zinc topaz]

-# i may try and play in it before i run it myself, specifically because of that

[west phoenix]

like... they're a real person

smooch loki

[zinc topaz]

i love/hate when media does that really well

[west phoenix]

honestly i say GM it

because you're not gonna find another lancer module with that much out of the box

well, i guess shadow of the wolf and whatnot are good, but igf has everything

[clever cloud]

this level of community support and source material is genuinely one of the best in all of ttrpg

[zinc topaz]

there's a recently popular rpg that i wont say the name of to save myself potential shame but the remarkable thing about it was how genuinely deeply sad i was to reach the end of the game

[west phoenix]

igf has legit like twice the amount of support most of the official lancer modules do

[zinc topaz]

it literally felt like saying goodbye to real lifelong friends

[clever cloud]

i mean we're all nerds here

[zinc topaz]

well yeah but i'm saying in order to experience all that stuff from the player's side first, without having the expectations that someone who's already GMed it before might have

[west phoenix]

i mean eleonor and i played starfinder before lancer so we've been in the trenches

INJECTOR PISTOL, ZOOLOGIST

[clever cloud]

BONE CESTUS

TRICK ATTACK

[west phoenix]

that shit sucked, man

i'm glad you like wallflower more because fuck i did not want to do that anymore

[zinc topaz]

its not about being a nerd its about the fandom and creator being .. cringe .. for lack of a better way of putting it

[west phoenix]

well now i need to know

[zinc topaz]

fuck it it was omori

[clever cloud]

not familiar

[zinc topaz]

cried like a fucking baby at that game

[west phoenix]

yeah idk anything about it lol

your cringe is safe with us

[zinc topaz]

good. its a great game but don't engage with its fans

[west phoenix]

thats like, most media

people are awful

[zinc topaz]

fair point lol

i have a hard time telling anyone i'm into anything come to think of it

[clever cloud]

lancer is what it is today in large part because of the mod team here on pnet

[west phoenix]

same but i also don't want people to think i exist

[zinc topaz]

the community is wildly different from what i expected as an outsider

in a good way obviously

[west phoenix]

even amongst that this thread is something else

its the only place i engage with here, i feel like an outsider everywhere else

[zinc topaz]

most ttrpg/wargaming spaces i've interacted with have been CESSPOOLS

[clever cloud]

this thread is a friend group

[zinc topaz]

well its a very welcoming and pleasant one lol

[west phoenix]

as much as i love this server there's some people here who are just lurking WAITING to start arguments over little disagreements or comments

and i'm like man, i'm fucking stupid, i don't want to hear about how fucking stupid i am because of one joke i made

[zinc topaz]

that's how i feel about most similar spaces on like reddit

[ancient crag]

Reddit is a cursid place

[zinc topaz]

nightmare field

[clever cloud]

oh please avoid lancer reddit

there's nothing of value there

[west phoenix]

they like dustgrave 🤢

[zinc topaz]

i asked one question one time about a d&d game i was running and 90% of the advice was "these people are not your friends, cut them off"

i take it dustgrave is no good

it was between dustgrave and igf when i was looking at modules lol

suppose i made the right choice

[clever cloud]

no no. it's just, tonally, a departure from lancer core

[noble ivy]

I have seen people complain endlessly about the over powered weapons (me lol)
and not a single soul has mentioned any thing about it's story

[shell bison]

I don't see that as a bad thing, other modules can try out different genres and etc.

[clever cloud]

and superheavy mounting was too impactful on lancer build crafting

[west phoenix]

its... a partial joke. i think dustgrave is horribly unbalanced and that they were just going for a completely different plan than what lancer is

[zinc topaz]

i see

[west phoenix]

the module itself? could be good, idk. idc

fuck the TCB, fuck the hurricane cluster, fuck the storte, and as cool as the viceroy is they really didn't think that one through compared to the other licenses

[clever cloud]

Ralph, the writer, is more of a problem than the module

[noble ivy]

to quote one of my players: "Why the hell are we not all Everests with Tempest Charge Blades?"

[west phoenix]

i like alt mechs that take the license and twist it in a new way, the viceroy just... tells you to do the opposite of the license but you never have to

[shell bison]

cause "optimal" play is boring and I've seen people whiff the TCB more than actually hit

[zinc topaz]

calendula ...

[clever cloud]

anyways, dustgrave is at worse a cringe

[west phoenix]

i think the tagetes is one of the best designed; you take the license about managing just heat and then make it about reloading weapons

[west phoenix]

you only need to hit 1/3 attacks to do the average damage that you'd otherwise do on a turn

[zinc topaz]

optimization sucks i can't stand powergamers

funnily enough that was actually what that aforementioned post was about

[shell bison]

And dustgrave started the trend of change weapon type to a better one

[clever cloud]

optimization is cool in lancer

[west phoenix]

yeah, but in the case of the tagetes it fits

[clever cloud]

Iconoclast...

[west phoenix]

you can use crackshot with it, with the viceroy its like... well you're a little safer if enemies get up to close, but the rest of the license doesn't encourage you to be up close

[zinc topaz]

i gave one of my players a slightly overtuned magic item bc the build they had picked kinda sucked and i wanted them to still have fun

[west phoenix]

its like they're trying to force you into a role that the license doesn't do

[west phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/guardians-of-the-galaxy-adam-warlock-dont-be-rash-will-poulter-marvel-gif-7269497775167346680

ok i do love iconoclast

[noble ivy]

don't talk trash about the power of friendship talent

[zinc topaz]

which genuinely upset another player who was like steamrolling the entire game anyways and who i actually had to make combat more difficult specifically because of

[clever cloud]

if only that was the damn flavor of it

[west phoenix]

i think iconoclast is pretty well balanced imo, because actually fitting that many NHPs on your mech that it becomes a problem is not a great build to begin with

and iconoclast 3 works best with NHPs that you can spam a lot, so really only osiris and scylla

[zinc topaz]

ughh i should be responsible i need to be up at 4 for work .. bleh

think im gonna go to bed

[clever cloud]

SLEEP

[shell bison]

I always find it funny that in pnet specifically, I hear the most complaints on dustgrave but everywhere outside it I hear a lot of complimentary stuff on it. Story, build adjustments, frames, etc. I guess that comes with different areas of the fandom

[west phoenix]

GO SLEEP

[clever cloud]

lovely meeting you

[west phoenix]

every interaction i've had with the dustgrave content has been negative

[zinc topaz]

goodnight everyone :3 and lovely meeting you all too 🫂

[west phoenix]

and i just disagree with them on a fundamental design level

but i guess thats true for some other stuff in lancer too

looking at you HMG and CPR

[clever cloud]

i mean this in the most toxic way possible: this is the reason i dont hang outside pnet

[west phoenix]

it feels like they had a different idea of what lancer should be, kind of like it was in the state early on

[clever cloud]

yeah, it came out pretty early post launch

[shell bison]

Need the "approved" version?

[west phoenix]

i like modern lancer a lot more, a ton of the new content has been a lot cooler to me than the old stuff

like... people have put a lot more thought into it lmfao

[clever cloud]

i have no idea what you mean by this

[west phoenix]

and meshing with the license instead of just going against it. the viceroy should have been its own license with CQB explosives that meshed with it, not against it

[shell bison]

It's more so a sentiment of lancer fans that are not on pnet that there is a clear divide on what people like in lancer inside pnet and those outside of it

[west phoenix]

well yeah, eleonor is the one who lets the stuff that the pnet people like lmao

same here

[shell bison]

like how some feel if you are outside pnet's general sentiments you are "wrong" for enjoying it.

[west phoenix]

you can enjoy it, everyone enjoys doing 15 billion damage. I don't like it, nor think it fits

[clever cloud]

yes im expressing that i like lancer in a particular way. which is why im here in igf thread anf not general

i distrust people who like certain things because it often lines up with other things i dislike in people

i dont care about their buildcraft, i care whether they fantasize about SecComm

i love this heavily moderated server

[west phoenix]

i do not speak for her lmfao i just don't think its balanced well

[shell bison]

hmm :/

[clever cloud]

JUNE SLEEP

[west phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/wiggle-why-did-bro-wiggle-his-shi-dih-shi-shii-gif-17756979448353684639

i wasn't around for a lot of the dustgrave fiasco stuff so i've just heard things, can't really speak on that

[zinc topaz]

-# sorry i got a glass of water and checked my phone and you said something insanely real

[west phoenix]

we never stop

[zinc topaz]

-# anyways goodnight for real now :3

[clever cloud]

gn chat

[noble ivy]

Good night Calliope

[west phoenix]

gn!!!!

[noble ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-chuni-sleep-gif-20108376

[west phoenix]

i guess you can say... the woke left

[shell bison]

Jenny

Bed

Get in your cat bed

[noble ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/mimimimimi-cat-sleeping-snoring-cat-sleeping-cat-drooling-cat-gif-23979759

[shell bison]

speaking of which

https://tenor.com/view/helpurseif-bunny-cute-bunny-rabbit-tired-gif-10900473004968199607

[west phoenix]

its only 9!!!!

[hybrid salmon]

Went back to read the gender conversation I was pinged in

Idk

I decided I was going to be a good student and follow my parents into extracurriculars. I think. Maybe I had more of a say than I remember, my memory sucks.

Also a year of ABA may or may not be involved

I’ve detransitioned, but I’m realizing my e dose might have been too low

I feel every age besides my own and a failure as a human and I don’t really think I’m a bat but it would be nice ig?

This is late night unprompted venting with Quill, sorry

[woeful saddle]

what they don't tell you is that you can just keep trying things until something works o7

nothing is eternal, you can hop on or off the wagon as you please

[hybrid salmon]

Yeah, well, maybe I should get around my apprehensions about my parents first, and come with a conviction I won’t quit again if something goes wrong.

I’m excavating something I buried in order to help me meet expectations, but it’s not easy

[willow needle]

🫂

[robust plank]

🫂

[balmy obsidian]

https://youtu.be/vCdR1M4rv-M?si=h8pV0iOyWeKYzQJl

[cobalt zealot]

Nah this is great. What species?

Butch transfemmes aren't super uncommon. Not to be too blunt here but like... You can just try fem pronouns if you want. You can just take oestrogen to see what it's like. You could just be a butch trans woman for a while. None of it is permanent if you decide it's not for you.

Gonna echo what I said to June. You can just try things out. None of it is permanent.

[willow needle]

-# just in case, cross hormone treatment is more serious than just to try it out, dont self medicate, follow the guide of an endocrinologist so you can properly start it and drop it if you dont like it.

[cobalt zealot]

Depends

And tbh no

Not for transfem HRT at least

It is incredibly easy to research and do yourself

I've self medicated for 3 years

[willow needle]

uhhh

[cobalt zealot]

You can just try it out

[willow needle]

please dont mess with your hormones blindly

each body is different and can take different quantities different, and can react different to leaving the treatment. its a very serious thing.

its why doctors make you a follow up every few months or once a year.

[cobalt zealot]

Gender affirming care isn't complex enough to actually warrant an endocrinologist, it's very simplistic and could be overseen by a general practitioner or even by the patient themselves with guidelines.

It's overseen by endocrinologists for gatekeeping purposes, not for quality of care.

[willow needle]

i hardly disagree. i am glad it has worked out for you but thats just not something for everyone. i dont know where you are to have those experiences but, in all i know of europe, that just doesnt happen here at all.

[cobalt zealot]

Basic entry is 2mg of oral estradiol taken under the tongue once daily, do a blood test after a month. You're aiming for about 400pmol/L concentration. If it's lower than that increase the dose. After three months change your targets to 600pmol/L.

[last leaf]

not helpful ngl

[cobalt zealot]

M'kay. You're the person who gets to decide what makes you comfortable in the end.

Getting there can be a bit of a trek.

[willow needle]

hormonal treatment just doesnt have standards like that, each body have different requirements and reactions, some need very little, some need a lot more, one needs of a professional to properly know, and to safely drop the treatment.

its hormones we talking about

[cobalt zealot]

No, it really does. There's normal target ranges for estradiol and testosterone concentrations for gender affirming care and the obstructing factors are how your body deals with uptake. People who weigh more need more for it to reach that goal, higher fat concentrations need less because it retains the compound better.

You do not need a professional to oversee your transition.

[clever cloud]

naana, imma backup fruit syrup here, I do have a nurse in charge of my care exclusively to do the blood level tests. Ive determined my dosages from the very start and have been reaffirmed in those decisions

[cobalt zealot]

If you research beforehand it's very, very easy to handle.

[clever cloud]

really you just need to check two things:

• resulting E and T levels every few months
• your emotional responses and regulation

you can get more extensive blood panels as part of your annual wellness checkup

[willow needle]

at this point im gonna be repeating myself i insist to not be just blindly and at least have a professional aiding what you need.

what you are saying, eleonor, is what i was saying. you need someone to tell you if something is wrong.

[limber fossil]

i agree with Naana, as someone who self medicated and experienced some significant increases in pre-existing conditions that could have been handled better had i the assistance of professional medical help

finding a professional you can trust can be hard, but i highkey recommend it

[cobalt zealot]

90% of folks won't need it

And tbh fuck the medical industry

[willow needle]

i dont know why being so anti-doctor..?

[limber fossil]

so we should just not care for the 10% that do_?_

[balmy obsidian]

USA

[cobalt zealot]

All it ever did was push me away from what I knew I needed

[balmy obsidian]

no wait

[cobalt zealot]

UK

[balmy obsidian]

right, forgot

[cobalt zealot]

I'm British

[balmy obsidian]

[clever cloud]

The UK is incredibly hostile to trans care

[balmy obsidian]

Ah

That'd do it

[clever cloud]

id rather not wait 12 years for a first appointment

[cobalt zealot]

I was waiting two for private treatment

I said "fuck that"

Ordered oestrogen from Brazil

[limber fossil]

i'm not saying the medical field doesn't have its fair share of concerns and problems; i'm a trans POC nd immigrant, i'm all too familiar. but to so callously ignore the potential risks self medication can bring, and particularly to wave it off as "won't affect the majority" is quite harmful.

[cobalt zealot]

Started injecting