In Golden Flame

[willow needle]

so my recollected thoughts in the topic are... ||even if a horus mech comes from somewhere in specific, its still horus tech, and most horus mechs are actually "upgrades" to existing frames, just like the balor. that one's spawning is connected with a free company, and the baronies, so the free company of the "company centimane" was able to remake it into a hecaton?(?. the karrakin are over all noble houses across the galaxy(?), they are all under the baronic council that deals with inner and external issues, they have the baronic intelligence that works like the CIA, which employs their own black ops like the company centimane to deal with murders and other horrible acts to not be directly related to the baronic council. sorry if i write like shit its 2:31am||

[hybrid salmon]

The general vibe I have is: some of her very-great-grandparents, Karrakin nobility, escaped some political intrigue and came to Calliope during the Pyrite Age. They used some of their wealth and influence to make a claim in Hells' Gate hydroponics and set up a little fiefdom of sorts there. Her family still works the area, if not owns it, and follows Karrakin traditions, but they have decayed over time and everyone kinda knows they are a mockery of the old family.

[last leaf]

||no worries yeah that sounds about right (its half 1 in the morning for me too so if I get something wrong myself lul). In particular, I do think it'd be plausible for someone to end up with a Hecaton without actually being associated with Baronic Intelligence. It's actively in BI's interests to have cases of mech scale greywash, and in particular the Hecaton, being used by people not at all associated with them because that way it muddies when they're deniably doing something as opposed to being genuinely uninvolved.||

[willow needle]

||also its funny that officially the hecaton doesnt exist, some are trying to tie it to the baronic council but the nature of the free company and the frame make it difficult i suppose(?||

[hybrid salmon]

Maybe stockholders in ID which appropriated some of their tech

[last leaf]

||it's much more convincing to say hey we didn't do this when this isn't Your Signature Mech™||

[shell bison]

there is many bnuy

[minor orchid]

there's Panzer bnuy, blink bnuy

and... some other bnuy

[hybrid salmon]

so I guess @last leaf gimme some morsels of lore I can build off of

[supple carbon]

More lore, funny man, more lore!

[last leaf]

wait wait, this for an IGF game?

[hybrid salmon]

kinda??? it's an igf blorbo who might get a game but i started as a GM but that fell through

i'm just character building

[last leaf]

aah okay. Have you read act 2?

[hybrid salmon]

Skimmed it

[minor orchid]

The memes are gold

[last leaf]

[Act 2]||because obviously with everything I'm about to say, connecting characters to the named characters of the Baronial delegation is a very smart move if they ever end up in an IGF game for real||

[hybrid salmon]

||ah makes sense||

||so maybe i should choose one of the conservative houses from there||

[willow needle]

||i see :3 mostly the idea i had (cuz idk what is lore friendly and what will the GM do) is that the hecaton comes from horus itself. thats why i was like "noooo, its not actually horus...", but as i see that its horus tech anyway, i guess they can just give that license anyway||

[supple carbon]

Horus does as Horus pleases

And that is whatever the fuck it wants, they forcefemme your mech i guess

Does Horus have any feats? I want to powerscale them

[minor orchid]

Horus doesn't have feats

they have LESSONS

[west phoenix]

hearing them called "feats" is so cursed

even if you're right

[minor orchid]

yes but it was funny haha

[supple carbon]

Im using feats in the powerscaler sense not in the Righteous thing done sense sorry for the confusion

[minor orchid]

Get lessoned of the open door

+2 heat

[supple carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-gif-24664106

[west phoenix]

open door sounds really funny on the gorgon when you use your active, but is otherwise not really useful

"you are practically guaranteed to be stunned"

[west phoenix]

crabgender

[supple carbon]

All genders evolve to crab

[west phoenix]

thats what art and archie are

[minor orchid]

Loo inventing damage gender

[west phoenix]

i like that the pegasus is now seen as napoleon at waterloo. the goat

[last leaf]

so in general, what makes the most sense to me is that the very-great-grandparents were either failed claimants to a rich family or you could have a classic romeo and juliet star crossed lovers who had to flee to escape both their families (or a noble x commoner thing, although stigma against that would probably be stronger on more conservative worlds).

Two important things to note broadly about the KTB is that while noble vs ignoble is a very real class thing that (a) these classes aren't in any way synonymous with economic class, you can have rich commoners and poor nobility (this is particularly pronounced on the House of Order, Karrakis itself) and (b) the KTB has plenty of discriminatory aspects with nobles vs ignobles but it is also fundamentally a society where the most important internal political body is the Ignoble House, a democratically elected legislative chamber. There's also broadly something of an emphasis among the nobility of both a divine right to lead but also a need to prove your worthiness to that right. Succession in noble families tends to be more political than based on strict birth order and there have been at least one high profile case of a noble family being stripped of their very nobility for truly extreme acts of negligence (see: Sanjak).

[supple carbon]

Pegasus, im thinking of getting that or the Tagetes when i can

[west phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/oguri-cap-uma-musume-too-long-didn't-read-tldr-gif-11865338117028776480

[last leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-roll-animation-never-gonna-give-you-up-rotoscoping-animation-hand-drawn-rickroll-scetch-gif-18335691308819948653

[noble ivy]

jen used a honse game meme?

[west phoenix]

no

[balmy obsidian]

who are you and where is meow

[supple carbon]

She's too far gone now

[west phoenix]

we were talking about horses (loo)

[supple carbon]

Im sorry meow

https://tenor.com/view/gun-tears-cat-point-gun-crying-cat-gif-17741904

[willow needle]

-# every time im in this chat, the fucking horse game has to appear at some point

[balmy obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/oguri-cap-uma-musume-cinderella-gray-eat-eating-gif-6770234904401320070

[west phoenix]

oh yeah, this too

[balmy obsidian]

the primo champ emote fucking murders me

[west phoenix]

why

its a good emote sir

[balmy obsidian]

it murders me because it's a good emote

[noble ivy]

I'm supriesed you don't use it here often meow

[balmy obsidian]

it is so cursed

[noble ivy]

[balmy obsidian]

it looks like he has a duck bill

[west phoenix]

primo isn't mentioned that often!

[clever cloud]

AAAAAA

[west phoenix]

[clever cloud]

[west phoenix]

thanks i made this monstrosity and started the "primo champ" trend

[willow needle]

idk if anyone needs this, but i found the original uncensored image of the LL0 frames

[west phoenix]

YEAH HAHA

[west phoenix]

isn't this a nelson

[clever cloud]

that's playtest Nelson

[willow needle]

i was just curious how it looked like without the redacted effect

[supple carbon]

That's a nelson

[west phoenix]

hey did you guys know thats a nelson

[supple carbon]

A non Albatross one though, still a very cool find

[west phoenix]

just making sure that you all know

that its a nelson

[willow needle]

yeah i figured it was a nelson just by looking at this

[upbeat hemlock]

personally I adore the everest design from Solstice Rain/Winter Scar

[last leaf]

I have a really good summation of the mindset of Hagiographers (the traditional Karrakin conservative faction) stored somewhere if you want to hear my thoughts on Karrakin conservatism btw. I will say though, it's not just the conservative houses that can be horrible dens of political intrigue and ossified aristocratic social organisation and heritage stronger than steel.

[west phoenix]

oh? what does that look like?

[upbeat hemlock]

one moment

[supple carbon]

I don't know what that is there's no image data

[west phoenix]

OH THATS GOOD

[clever cloud]

OOOOOH yea that's a cool find

[upbeat hemlock]

https://gee-man.artstation.com/projects/JeXyna

[supple carbon]

How do i use these as a token

[noble ivy]

all of Peyton's mech designs go so goddamn hard

[west phoenix]

peyton gee my beloved

[upbeat hemlock]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LancerRPG/comments/10pbovh/in_celebration_of_solstice_rains_release_heres/

[west phoenix]

his bicam mech art is the goat

[balmy obsidian]

||why don't you peyton some bitches||

[cobalt zealot]

"Union pattern everest G type"
That is a fucking G Line Mobile Suit

[west phoenix]

its so good

[balmy obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/i-see-the-pixels-agnes-tachyon-umamusume-uma-musume-beginning-of-a-new-era-gif-4990860091225107192

[west phoenix]

idk why it was so tiny

[supple carbon]

What a merry christmass

[upbeat hemlock]

I love the G type everest because it looks like a clanking massive war machine... and it also looks like it can sprint

[balmy obsidian]

damn you actually deleted it now i just look like an idiot

[noble ivy]

Dude, Peyton has so many bitches

[balmy obsidian]

"but you always look like an idiot" ye shut up

[cobalt zealot]

It looks like a G Line series RX81!

[west phoenix]

you are 🩵

[west phoenix]

well... you're closer than you think

[balmy obsidian]

I may be an idiot but next session I'm gonna WACP extra fucking hard

[west phoenix]

wet ass cat-....

[willow needle]

https://tenor.com/view/titanfall-bt-bt-titanfall-titanfall-bt-titan-gif-22263947

[balmy obsidian]

"haha you fool you are blinded you can only draw line of sight to adjacent tiles"
YEAH WELL I DON'T NEED LINE OF SIGHT

[noble ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/spray-bottle-cat-spray-bottle-spray-bottle-meme-loop-gif-25594440

[cobalt zealot]

This is why he called it G series I stg

[west phoenix]

DM me for me to tell you what i call BCL

eleonor knows

[supple carbon]

Voladore mech

[west phoenix]

she is afraid

[cobalt zealot]

ALSO

[noble ivy]

And now i am too

[cobalt zealot]

The Jegan Ecoas

[supple carbon]

Transformers

[cobalt zealot]

That mech is a Gundam

I will not be dissuaded

That is a Lancer Gundam

[noble ivy]

But Lancer is gundam

[upbeat hemlock]

I like the ankles on the G Type everest way more than on any gundam I've seen

[west phoenix]

its also evangelion and titanfall

[upbeat hemlock]

(he says, sounding like a victorian mech pervert)

[last leaf]

victorian mech pervert, sounds like a good character concept ngl

[cobalt zealot]

What are you defining as the ankles here

Because that's a digitigrade design

The ankle is halfway up the leg

The foot is more of a spread toe assembly

It's standing on tippy toes

[supple carbon]

Like the mech is a pervert or is the pilot a pervert?

A pervert for mechs?

[balmy obsidian]

Lancer is also WH40k

[last leaf]

pervert for mech but like... victorian aesthetic sensibilities.

[supple carbon]

Damn

They see the legs on any SSC they faint kind of deal?

[last leaf]

cough and protest loudly while faintly blushing if nothing else

lean on their cane a bit

[west phoenix]

good heavens

[supple carbon]

Yeah just like that Meow

[last leaf]

it could also work as a prog rock band name but I fear the frontman would eventually end up disgraced over alleged sex crimes.

[upbeat hemlock]

based on the other cover, I don't think it's intended to be digigrade
https://lancer.wiki.gg/images/6/64/Winter_Scar_cover.png?352c6a=&format=original

[last leaf]

in every way...

[west phoenix]

mech ass shot

[minor orchid]

Lancer is whatever the GM's last media consumed

[upbeat hemlock]

I properly got into lancer last year due to becoming tired with 40k

and lancer scratching some similiar itches

[west phoenix]

lancer is deadlock

the amber handtom

[upbeat hemlock]

and also some entirely different, much healthier, itches

[minor orchid]

Lancer is Overcooked 2

[supple carbon]

I got into lancer because of this idiot

[minor orchid]

get inside the kitchen

shinji

[supple carbon]

Yeah, it is

[upbeat hemlock]

if you're playing a HA mech, yes

[west phoenix]

hipo talking to women

[minor orchid]

MMMM reactor

[minor orchid]

it's the other way around ;)

They send me to the kitchen I mean-

what

[west phoenix]

ok

[willow needle]

so true

[last leaf]

tbf I really enjoy 40k but it's a very different kettle of fish really that I go in to for very different reasons. I was mostly referencing this iconic and definitely not sarcastic official word of god.

[supple carbon]

Who is the John Lancer of hell's gate? Big question

[minor orchid]

I mean... rules a lot more easy to follow but still tactical level-

[west phoenix]

thanks mr lancer

[noble ivy]

Lancer is Superman and Cyberpunk(???)

[west phoenix]

well, cyberpunk for sure

[willow needle]

lancer is d&d in the future

[west phoenix]

and we are hopemaxing in this bitch

[upbeat hemlock]

it is 40k in several important ways
-excuses for stupid big war machines
-big setting with lots of room for Your Dudes
-rips off Dune

[minor orchid]

Hope and Despair in the same room

fitting

[last leaf]

You forgot the most critical one:

• The timeline doesn't make sense unless you tie it into knots.

[supple carbon]

Punkrocker

[balmy obsidian]

So what you're saying is that Lancer is Doctor Who

[noble ivy]

stop giving me ideas

[upbeat hemlock]

• there's catgirls, but whether they're canon is arguable

[minor orchid]

we gettin' tardis lich variant chasis

[willow needle]

lancer is... ||the dream of a child in a coma 😔 ||

[last leaf]

it's not real scifi unless you blatantly rip off dune, everyone knows this.

[upbeat hemlock]

the TARDIS is a minotaur. Bigger on the inside

[balmy obsidian]

Naana I am going to kill you

[minor orchid]

Lancer is the friends we made on the way

[last leaf]

nope, it's not harry potter, I refuse to believe it.

[willow needle]

will they still be reading harry potter to kids in primary school in lancer...

[west phoenix]

no

that shit was not put in the vaults

[last leaf]

unfortunately it probably was.

we can pray the mold got to that section of the vaults tho

[balmy obsidian]

I've heard that offhandedly at one point, what's this about mold?

[last leaf]

harry potter isn't very good but it is culturally significant, unfortunately.

[west phoenix]

yeah if you're a transphobe

[last leaf]

tbf the mold thing isn't even true apparently, it's just a great bit.

[west phoenix]

we don't have space for them in the lancerverse

[west phoenix]

nah that bitch's apartment looks like a resident evil 7 location

[noble ivy]

the mastif vaults purposefully put one of those AO3 rewrites where Harry's a socialist transfem in there instead

[balmy obsidian]

Massif not Mastif

[noble ivy]

[willow needle]

would the vaults have had the longest book ever that is all a weird ass fanfic with a metaverse of characters from many IPs?

[minor orchid]

Mastif?!

[west phoenix]

bloody massif innit

[last leaf]

potentially.

[balmy obsidian]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LiYqTcaq_Zo

[noble ivy]

[willow needle]

so theres a probability that reverie has heard of the loud house,,,,,

[supple carbon]

Why is that

[minor orchid]

Please do not-

[supple carbon]

Why would you go there first

[minor orchid]

oh god

[noble ivy]

too late its canon now

[minor orchid]

Ipswitch newest stream: reading whatever striga sigdived

[supple carbon]

Now I Have to find some cursed media to make canon to hipo's chagrin

[last leaf]

remember that whatever it is, the cultural attitude we'd have to it would probably be closer to our attitude towards shakespeare than it would be towards it in the modern day

[west phoenix]

ouuur house
in the middle of our house
ouuur house
in the middle of our house
ouuur house-

[last leaf]

which just makes it funnier

[balmy obsidian]

While you all think about what media is and isn't in the vaults imma go to bed at a cool and crisp 03:27
Good night

[noble ivy]

gilgamesh might make more sense

[west phoenix]

goodnight funny french cat

[last leaf]

depends on the property and which culture is looking at it but fair.

[willow needle]

okay lore question
ssc is seemingly very into asian (japanese in specific) stuff, like names and aesthetics. are they actually japanese/speak japanese? do they share japanese culture (or whatever it might have become in the year IGF is in)?

[supple carbon]

The King of Pop being believed to be an actual king

[supple carbon]

Maybe it's like the Legion in fallout and they just larp over some culture they don't really know about

[noble ivy]

IGF takes place in 5016 on the Union calendar
which is about 10,000 years from our current era

[willow needle]

oh

and it thought the difference was only of 3000 years

[west phoenix]

the dominican republic still exists, eleonor said so so its canon

[last leaf]

whether anyone speaks an exact language is kinda a pointless question imo given the timeframe involved but I would highly suspect that one of their original founders was in some way japanese coded (although japanese as an identity probably wasn't super relevant at the point of SSC's founding and certainly isn't by the present today). The whole thing was originally founded by Cartwright Smith and Shimano Hideyoshi, take from those names what you will.

[supple carbon]

The difference is BIG

[willow needle]

then i declare that norway and iceland still exist.
somehow
even if the nordic countries became a singular scandinavian nation, somehow.

[west phoenix]

scandland

[upbeat hemlock]

nah, we live in 2025 Common Era, while Lancer is 5016 Union Calander

Humanity fell over in like... 7000ce. Union was founded in like 12000ce

[willow needle]

well the second one sounds very japanese but im no professional (?)

[west phoenix]

yeah but the point is the japanese 'language' may not exist anymore

[willow needle]

i suppose they have a taint of japanese due to the origin?

[last leaf]

if you want to declare that specific localised identities still exist for pragmatic out of world reasons go ahead but the lore definitely implies that earth national identities probably haven't existed since much after Union's founding frankly. The dark age and the Little Wars and then Union's founding are meant to be such that Union's founding is a severance from the past on the level that they specifically changed their name and attitude towards the very planet itself as they organised a world government.

[willow needle]

yeah i get the language thing

[west phoenix]

does nationality matter if the country doesn't exist anymore?

[willow needle]

its mostly because when i checked their enclaves they have japanese names

[west phoenix]

but i guess for simplicity they are japanese.... probably

[last leaf]

certainly I think SSC are more japanese coded than anyone else is but also just like... that doesn't mean very much if you get me?

[west phoenix]

if i can say serenity is german despite her being from the neo teutonic union we can say they're japanese lol

[willow needle]

its just for aesthetics for someone that was raised by ssc

[west phoenix]

you can just do that

[upbeat hemlock]

I think they're Japanese codes because they're supposed to evoke thoughts of the big japanese companies of our time

[west phoenix]

you don't have to fight to justify the lore

lancer is flexible like that

[last leaf]

yeah at most its this.

[willow needle]

who's fighting ?

[last leaf]

and yeah, go with whatever aesthetics you like

[west phoenix]

put that bitch in a kimono

[last leaf]

SSC in particular are really good at cultivating very specific cultural identities for people even - ones that for ease of use we can refer to as japanese or german or what have you.

[willow needle]

what year is it in IGF in Common Era then?

[west phoenix]

uuuh...

a lot

[upbeat hemlock]

about.... 17000ce?

[supple carbon]

Daaaaaaamn

We old old

Moth in a Kimono is funny though

[last leaf]

it's not really clear but you're talking at minimum 13000 CE

[west phoenix]

any semblance of former countries or nationalities are gone lmao

[noble ivy]

In lancer humanity's been in space longer than we've had civilization on earth

[willow needle]

its funny because in todays session reverie was talking to another PC like "oh yeah, i like old music too, some of my favourite are from the 2000s" yeah like this changes things XD

[upbeat hemlock]

speaking as somebody with a minor in ancient history... lancer's timeline makes no sense

and honestly that's fine

[last leaf]

tbf it can be from the 2000s! Just 2000u, not 2000ce.

[willow needle]

yeah it was talking about 2000ce.
idk whats the other two

[last leaf]

yeah the timeline gets eeeeh but it's best to just not try and history brain it.

[willow needle]

how so?

[west phoenix]

look in eleonor's game prince's music survived to 5016 you can just do that

[last leaf]

it works just fine for what it's trying to do after all.

[last leaf]

this is what the vaults are for after all!

[noble ivy]

SNK survived long enough to publish primo's quest too

[west phoenix]

how it relates to current world doesn't really matter, it's not that at all. all you need to know is how it connects to the lore thats there

[upbeat hemlock]

humans change, grow, and rediscover things faster than lancer's timeline would have you believe.

[last leaf]

^^^

[west phoenix]

so much has happened in 2000 years lmao

[supple carbon]

Fuck it, HIPO can there be a copy of disco elysium in tje vaults?

[west phoenix]

just put that into scale for everything else

[last leaf]

the numbers are definitely a bit wonky (especially with the Second Committee) but as long as you gloss past that it's fine.

[minor orchid]

something something Sigdive it, nerd

Honestly not sure if I am just simplifying it a lot but... I do believe that if a digital copy of something can be made, then it can be sigdived-

[upbeat hemlock]

there's another 3rd party adventure called Ipheginia at Midnight, and it makes a really good point: The Second Committee is the LONGEST-LASTING CONTINUOUS GOVERNMENT IN HUMAN HISTORY

[minor orchid]

Like it's not always that easy to just press delete and boom, never happened

[west phoenix]

its really the goat too

they have an evil NHP that is not cascading

which is sorely needed lmao

[noble ivy]

-# buh wuh about karrakis?

[minor orchid]

Karrakis is...

a whole ordeal-

too much stuff going on

[supple carbon]

Isn't Karrakis where the worms live?

[minor orchid]

It's where Quincy comes from!

[west phoenix]

i'm so sorry

[supple carbon]

Lisan Al Gay or something

[noble ivy]

drink the blue stuff for girls

practice your voice

[west phoenix]

estrogen distilled into a liquid form

[upbeat hemlock]

the KTB have a longer uninterrupted culture, but I think their wars governmental restructures lose them the title of longest government

[west phoenix]

why the fascists gotta have the longest running government. fucked up

[minor orchid]

Mmm estrogen coctail

[supple carbon]

Something something ruling through fear and all that

[last leaf]

yeah. Frankly this wouldn't even necessarily be too weird if not for how the fall of the second committee is framed as a natural consequence of rising tensions over colonial atrocities (which have been happening for thousands of years at this point) and the need to address PISTON-1 (the Second Committee's founding event). Doubly as the Second Committee was (for the imperial core anyway) a democratic society that wasn't just ruling through fear.

[west phoenix]

i mean hercynia was the breaking point, i think thats kind of the epitome of "colonial atrocities"

[upbeat hemlock]

all of which is fine, but then means that parts of Wallflower make no sense

[shell bison]

it's always been a weird point that Hercynia was the straw that broke the camels back but no one in modern Lancer Society knows or talks about it openly. Even a blockade is around it to prevent anyone from going near it

[last leaf]

I agree that makes sense in principle, just not with the 2000 year timespan (and frankly, for an anthrochauvinist society crimes against humans should be more shocking than what was going on on Hercynia)

[last leaf]

if the second committee is around for like, 300-500 years, that all makes sense to me.

[west phoenix]

yeah people just kind of... forgot about it? considering it was like a few hundred years ago that seems so unlikely

[upbeat hemlock]

...so, yeah, Lancer is like 40k because the fans love it and also rip it to shreds at the slightest provocation :p

[supple carbon]

It's simplified for mech fighting purposes, there must surely be a variety of ways for a dm to talk about the seccom atrocities

[west phoenix]

yeah they have a whole module on it lmao

and it has conflicting lore

[shell bison]

Just read Halo lore and base SecComm of the most fucked thing ONI does and boom yougot a villian

[west phoenix]

pretty much

[last leaf]

the imperial core being in its own bubble for a long time makes an unfortunately large amount of sense but 2000+ years of being in a bubble before having their vietnam moment?

[last leaf]

damn, the whole internet is 40k

[west phoenix]

i think that an interesting part of wallflower and seccom (wallflower spoilers?) ||is that humanity still cares about other species because they naturally aren't horrible. seeing what the egregorians went through broke them, and those who survived on hercynia ended up loving the egregorians||

we stay hopemaxing

[last leaf]

PISTON-1 being politically relevant to the end of Seccomm is an actually insane detail from the CRB that I simply choose to ignore tho.

[willow needle]

meanwhile reverie whenever she is discovered on our campaign: so you have chosen death

[west phoenix]

NOOOO DON'T KILL JERRY

[upbeat hemlock]

yeah, that bit is great.

The fact that large portions of Wallflower require silly amounts of people not having info that should be readily available is... bothersome to me.

Which is why I'm running IGF instead of wallflower

[willow needle]

she will get trigger happy because she thinks that everyone will try to kill her
im pretty sure hipo has an idea to avoid reverie from killing everyone in the room XD

[west phoenix]

yeah, pretty much

i had it so hercynia was wiped completely away from the records to try and justify it

but man it's a tall ask lmao

its like if the USA didn't know about the fucking revolutionary war

[hybrid salmon]

i had the good luck that hercynia wasn't relevant to my party ahaha

[last leaf]

oh it works very well narratively for WF, don't get me wrong. In general the thematic aspects of Seccomm's fall are done very well. Just not the actual... nuts and bolts of how those thematic aspects are justified.

[west phoenix]

thats a lot of lancer

[upbeat hemlock]

or if they remembered the veitnam war, but didn't know where veitnam was anymore, or what veitnamese people looked like

[west phoenix]

unfortunately

if... vietnamese people were giant bugs

[last leaf]

which in fairness is probably preferable for a ttrpg setting. Not like this is a book or movie or something.

[west phoenix]

i think you'd remember

[last leaf]

oh and the Vietnam war broke the union.

[shell bison]

If I ever had one harsh cricism to levi at WF is that it feels kind of....for lack of a better term torture porny? Like it keeps kicking you on the idea of what it is trying to say but stumbles in trying to say in a way and also if you have a crew that are just not that into feeling "we must pay for the sins of our fathers" like no, I am not responsible for this. I'll fix it but you won't make me feel bad about it.

[west phoenix]

tbf the location of hercynia was erased

[shell bison]

Which is wild to compare it to Veitnam then

Like deleting that place off all maps so no one can tell what or where it happened

[upbeat hemlock]

also,there's like, a handful of other nuts and bolts in there that bugged me

like the colonist who feels out of place because he's getting old... at 60. When Lancer humans typically live into their mid 100s.

Or the fact that this planet is years away from anywhere, which is normal, and not a major colony, so not on any shipping routes.... but there's border towns that engage in smuggling??? With who???

[west phoenix]

in my party ||they are showing that the new union is much better already. i think that opening hercynia's eyes that the outside galaxy is not cruel anymore is a really cool thing, but there is a lot of fucked up stuff in the module||

[last leaf]

losing the location of hercynia is odd but sure I can suspension of disbelief that (specifically the idea that the revolutionaries didn't have an active and successful attempt to specifically record hercynia's location seems a bit implausible to me but hey, it's still within the bounds of possibility). The idea that everyone forgot everything else about Hercynia and consigned it to being this minor historical footnote is pretty insane though.

[west phoenix]

evergreen?

i always thought they were smuggling stuff in to and out of evergreen

because of how strict landmark is

[upbeat hemlock]

yeah, but... to where???? the rest of the planet is uninhabited as far as anybody knows

[last leaf]

everyone knows smugglers really just do it for the love of the game. That's why I smuggle things up and down the cornish coast.

[west phoenix]

to the grey towns, they're not all the same entity

[last leaf]

even if its unimportant to 3rdcomm's cultural identity a thousand years later or whatever (which feels like it contradicts how much emphasis the lore puts on the promises and failures of the revolution but sure why not), historical experts should very well damn care!

[upbeat hemlock]

admittedly, I read it months ago, and perhaps not in as much detail as I should have, so its possible my criticisms are not entirely fair

[shell bison]

regardless, wf is a decent starting off point when it was all we had back in the day

But now? I'd argue we have much better modules

[last leaf]

its a shame because its a banger title for a module

[west phoenix]

yeah most of them are, there's a lot of weird stuff where they were still finding their footing for lancer

[shell bison]

It's not like Lancer lore hasn't had several retconns and points of confusing lore that aren't already a wha moment

[west phoenix]

my biggest complaint is that wf started a bad rep for NHPs early on lol

none of them are treated like people, they're all tools

but i suppose thats more of an igf thing

[frail canopy]

The biggest crime is that it feels like one penstroke is all it'd take to make that into something resonant.

[west phoenix]

well, luckily you have me running the game!

[frail canopy]

But they never do it.

[west phoenix]

my wallflower focuses a lot on NHP rights as well considering :p

[upbeat hemlock]

Then, ironically, the module about NHPs being mistreated has all the subtlety of a neon-orange brick.

...but we already had that discussion last week, so I won't repeat myself :p

[last leaf]

in fairness I think part of this might also be an artifact of when wf was first written. Very early primordial days when the role of NHPs wasnt quite crystalised.

[cerulean valve]

Calliope's gayest cripple just woke up

[west phoenix]

well yeah, thats what i said before

[cerulean valve]

What's up fellas

[upbeat hemlock]

we're criticising lancer's modules and timeline

with love

[shell bison]

It's more so that Lancer had an idea in mind on what NHPs are used and treated and the community had a different approach

It's community feedback that really dialed back the "subjectivity reset" on cycling to more "Like a nap" they wake up from

[west phoenix]

well their idea is fucked up :p

[frail canopy]

Well whatever their idea is, I'd sure like to read about it in one of these books someday.

If they could, like, write it down explicitly? That'd be cool.

[shell bison]

It's called the core book?

[last leaf]

frankly I think people get too hung up on the subjectivity reset vs nap stuff than they should. But I have weird philosophical views on personhood anyway.

[frail canopy]

In a broad strokes sorta way.

[west phoenix]

see thats not even the thing for me. it's how they're treated/referred to

[last leaf]

yeah exactly. How cycling works is like sure... that's a potential thing or problem depending how you feel about it but it's really the least important issue with NHPs imo.

[west phoenix]

"several people are typing" aw fuck here we go again

[shell bison]

Personally, I think Lancer should lean on its more original depictions on NHPs more so that when you get place like Calliope roaming around it hits you more that NHP (classification, not the AI version) opens a channel on xeno life being more connected which allows things like wallflower to have more of a punch of Humanity being open to a galatic society of not just humanity being the major player

[frail canopy]

See, I read that but it felt too vague. Or conflicted. On the one hand, they're people but without bodies.

On the other hand, they lack any and all actual connection to human thought patterns but only sometimes and it wasn't made clear at all that unshackling doesn't happen often, so I got the impression that these were a bunch of timebombs in server racks waiting to explode an electrical grid upon having a tantrum.

[upbeat hemlock]

that's what I was thinking

[cerulean valve]

I'm still fairly recent to lancer but from the outside NHPs as describes gave me the impression they were eldritch maddening and incomprehensible entities. Rather than just, a digital homie.

[west phoenix]

oh i never said they were treated well in my wallflower :p

[frail canopy]

Nascent gods trying desperately to understand their own existence.

[minor orchid]

Holy shit what did I missed-

[shell bison]

The classic "0 days since NHP discussion"

[frail canopy]

Sorry, I'm new here.

[minor orchid]

Ohhh

[frail canopy]

It's all fresh to me.

[minor orchid]

Wonderful, keep going!

[west phoenix]

NHP discussions here are always a bloodbath lmao

[minor orchid]

Don't need to say sorry, we all got here somehow!

[west phoenix]

i mostly stay quiet because i have radical NHP opinions

[minor orchid]

I am DMing with... only having played it a few times

[frail canopy]

NHPs deserve to hold hands!

THERE I SAID IT.

[minor orchid]

something something

[supple carbon]

Surviving a NHP discussion is like

[shell bison]

And yeah, Lancer is this weird case in scifi where they are the edge case where it is both kept vague but also here's examples of what we mean, kinda, sorta?

It's meant to be treated as a way to allow for people to DM however they want but lets be honest. Not many people want to go the grimdark route when lancer does the optimistic take in scifi

[supple carbon]

A nice burger

[last leaf]

I see the discourse and it calls to me but I will resist its siren song (>insert SSMR joke here<) and go to sleep rather than making my night worse for no reason because this discourse was intentionally made to be intractable.

[west phoenix]

must i send the archie meme through DMs again

eat more ice cream wren

[last leaf]

no you

[cerulean valve]

Grimdark is kinda overrated nowadays imo

[west phoenix]

i have peanut butter M&Ms, does that count?

[frail canopy]

Grimdark's only fun when reality's going great.

[west phoenix]

so its never fun-

[supple carbon]

True

[cerulean valve]

The problem i have with grimdark settings is that they usually attract the worst kinds of people. Which is why at a certain point i stop caring about 40k and jumped ship to Battletech.

[shell bison]

I guess grimdark is the wrong word to use. Lancer wants you to believe that a better version fo tomorrow is possible. so, it has to show you a better version is possible. However, it isn't against showing you bad things are still happening when Utopia is achieved, so you still have a game to play.

[supple carbon]

Grimdark has a point where it becomes funny again

Like if everything is so bad you can laugh at it

Then a step beyond that it's torture p0rn

[west phoenix]

see this is why i like wallflower!

[cerulean valve]

Yeah it's usually when it embraces absurdity

[frail canopy]

Whaddya call an act like that? The Aristocrats?

[upbeat hemlock]

that's kind of what... err... what's the name of Tom's gothic skirmish game thingy?

Malaghast?

[last leaf]

frankly I feel in the circles I run the backlash to grimdark is much louder and sillier than the voices promoting it. Grimdark is like anything else, good when it's written well and bad when it's written poorly. Also like anything else, it is for some people and not others.

And anyone trying to tell you it's inherently good or bad is confusing their personal preference for whether other people should enjoy something.

[supple carbon]

Watching superman, playing lancer, accept it, there is a better tomorrow

I mentioned superman, so im gonna shill for it a bit, watch superman, best movie experience i've had this whole year

[upbeat hemlock]

strong agree

[minor orchid]

El Esperanzador

[shell bison]

My personal critique is that it's a weird writing gray zone where you can't add to many details because then you threat to allienate anyone's idea of a utopia because some example is bad to someone's own personal proclivities,

On the other, you still need raw details so people have a reason to be happy, frustrated, neutral or anything in between to jusitfy a campaign setting

[last leaf]

honestly the more lancer lore I've gotten into the flimsier the utopia label, even the utopia in progress label, has become to me (in relation to Lancer's setting).

[frail canopy]

I kinda think of it as The Culture before it hit critical mass.

[last leaf]

its one of those things where it's not entirely without a grain of truth, it is pointing to something about lancer's setting that isn't true for most scifi settings, but also it very much feel like a marketing gimmick more than an accurate summation of Lancer's setting when you actually dig into it.

[cerulean valve]

People nowadays have a problem with objective, and constantly mistake their own experience as a confirmation something is good or shit based on the experience itself and not an objective perspective imo.

[upbeat hemlock]

yeah

[last leaf]

oh for sure, if I had to compare lancer to any other setting it'd be the Culture.

[upbeat hemlock]

like... there's utopia in the core worlds. But we're not having mech fights there. And as you say, we can't show what that utopia is because different people have different ideas

[supple carbon]

Lancer is not UTOPIA(tm)

But it is a nicer experience for everyone involved than some other scifi

[frail canopy]

Utopia is just another word for "better" anyway.

[cerulean valve]

As someone who's into Battletech, i can always be fsr worse lmao.

[frail canopy]

That's all it needs to be in this context I think.

[minor orchid]

Remember folks, Jerry's mug!

[shell bison]

The biggest lie 1stComm ever told was Utopia is possible or something to strive for.

You should care about those that are around you. Love them. Nourish them. Learn about their strange quirks and learn to be open about you own. Cheerish those around you and bring about a better today so tomorrow sucks a lot less.

It's why I jive with IGF so much. It sucks, but it sucks together with friends and family.

[west phoenix]

except for those who aren't

[supple carbon]

Pain shared is pain divided, love shared is love multiplied thing

[upbeat hemlock]

Oh! OH! I can show off

[cerulean valve]

Speaking of

[last leaf]

hell I don't believe in objective truth although that's at least partially just my philosophical pedantry but yeah. What really gets me is when people have a very subjective view about something like this and instead of going, here this is why I don't like x, they go here is why x is inherently Bad and Wrong and you're lowkey a bad person by implication if you enjoy it.

[cerulean valve]

I am so FUCKING excited for the new MechWarrior DLC

[minor orchid]

fuck you made me remember
||my players joked about suggesting Ipswitch makes official Jerry merch||

[minor orchid]

NO FUCKING WAY

IT'S REAL?!

[west phoenix]

jerry real

[minor orchid]

now I wanna drink coffee just to use it

[supple carbon]

Poor guy

[willow needle]

Good night calliope

[west phoenix]

gn naana

[cerulean valve]

CLAN INVASION BABYEEEE

Daddy's getting a brand new Mad cat

[upbeat hemlock]

my lovely partner ordered it for me for my birthday

[west phoenix]

i usually like these conversations but man i always feel like i'm in a sniper's sights talking about it here

[supple carbon]

Good night

[frail canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/gustavo-fring-gus-gustavo-fring-breaking-bad-gif-25742271

[cerulean valve]

Look outside your window :)

[last leaf]

and honestly when you really look at it... even that utopia is predicated on at least some uncertainty. The big reason I don't like using the term utopia with Lancer is just that when you dig into the lore, it's deliberately left quite ambiguous as to whether Union is a good thing or how it should move forwards (if at all). Union isn't a utopia in progress because it's unclear textually whether the book thinks Union as it currently exists needs radically replacing or not.

[minor orchid]

Wonderful, honestly

so good

[upbeat hemlock]

she came up with the back side

[minor orchid]

I am just lost, so don't worry haha

[upbeat hemlock]

used the fire danger rating we use here in Australia

[shell bison]

Something something few hundred years empire topple, something something

[minor orchid]

all I wanted to make was silly jerboa

[supple carbon]

Ignore the red dot and expose your heart to us

[shell bison]

This is why I always stick to the long rim

[minor orchid]

and now there's something about a Golden Flame

[shell bison]

You can understand the long rim

[minor orchid]

who tf is flame and why golden?

[supple carbon]

YOU TELL ME MAN

[frail canopy]

Aren't most flames golden?

[west phoenix]

no

[frail canopy]

Luminous, at least.

[last leaf]

as with many things in lancer, I think they mixed their metaphors and drove one time too many.

[west phoenix]

they're orange

[minor orchid]

You shut up and go get some bitches installed

[cerulean valve]

IT'S THEY/THEM JOHN GOLDEN FLAME

[last leaf]

anyway nanight all

[frail canopy]

Eeehhh, there's an argument to be made there.

[west phoenix]

gnight wren

[cerulean valve]

Nighty birb

[west phoenix]

can we GO ONE CONVERSATION WITHOUT ARGUING

MOMMY AND DADDY ARE FIGHTING AGAIN

[minor orchid]

lkasjdalskdjalksdj

[last leaf]

no.

[frail canopy]

Argue kidding me?

This is the internet.

[supple carbon]

Im gonna cry

[frail canopy]

It was made for arguing.

[cerulean valve]

Who's gonna wind the custody battle? Find out in the next episode

[minor orchid]

Cinematic outro

Flash of the Soap Opera's name

[frail canopy]

On MAURY'S BALLS ZEEEEEE

[minor orchid]

Commercial break

[last leaf]

It's a personality flaw of mine. There are people I can have conversations with without it devolving into arguments but you're not one of them (you're not unique among my friends in that regard tho )

[west phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wtf-wtf-cat-shocked-shocked-cat-gif-16097802352571672167

[upbeat hemlock]

my partner was sad that the Low rating came out all smudged, but I figure it's great - the risk of system failure is never Low on the Gate anyway

[last leaf]

you are a cool person tho meow

[west phoenix]

this whole conversation

[last leaf]

have you tried industrial quantities of catnip?

[minor orchid]

IT JUST FITS EVEN BETTER

[west phoenix]

oh i wasn't arguing with you i was quiet for a reason lmao

you are cool too wren :3

[cerulean valve]

Ah right word of advice, don't eat food before an orbital drop you can ask @balmy obsidian what happens if you do.

[west phoenix]

tbf i really don't give a shit about every detail about union's utopia. it's better and they fix a lot of problems. thats all i need to know

[minor orchid]

... oh dear

[shell bison]

Catnip, more like fatnip.
Gottem 😎

[west phoenix]

is that why i've gained so much weight

[supple carbon]

Can't stop me

[noble ivy]

Don’t ping the French cat it’s like 5 am over there

[minor orchid]

But then mega spoilers whole campaign: ||fourthcomm appears||

[west phoenix]

ok

[frail canopy]

Utopia is like The Force in Star Wars. It's just there to keep the setting and plot glued together. Look too closely at it and it won't work anymore.

[west phoenix]

thanks

i guess i wont click that

[last leaf]

drugs either make your problems better or they make em worse. 50/50, ez life.

[cerulean valve]

Fool, the Bunn pings when he pleases

[minor orchid]

Do not!

/jk we all know what's in there-

[noble ivy]

Do we?

[last leaf]

yeah, Steele's nudes

[west phoenix]

spoilers: ||you're a stinky dumb idiot and i cannot believe you would insult me like this||

[frail canopy]

Derry jies.

[last leaf]

I will sleep for real now (to evade the woke police)

[west phoenix]

GO SLEEP

[willow needle]

Holy shit the woke police

[frail canopy]

Wokepolis*

[west phoenix]

they're coming to arrest you too naana you should be in bed

[shell bison]

I somehow understand the concept of the blink and firmament more than Union and you what, I prefer my weird esoteric other dimensions what political wanna be drama of union anyway.

[minor orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-spray-not-afraid-gif-1196917860742165100

[willow needle]

Tbf my mom woke me up

[supple carbon]

THE WOKE POLICE? OH NO

[cerulean valve]

I WILL BE GAY AS MUCH AS I WANT, FUCK YOU IRS

[supple carbon]

I haven't checked my internal biases in a while!

[shell bison]

So it's like those british cops that have the pride flag cars that come to ask you about your questionable social media posts?

[willow needle]

Woke check instead of vibe check

[supple carbon]

Gonna ask if you have a gay license

[minor orchid]

Gay License? at what level you get it?!

[minor orchid]

le french Meow

[supple carbon]

You already have it don't worry

[west phoenix]

i'd rather die

[minor orchid]

LETSGOOOOOO LEVEL 3 GAY LICENSE

[willow needle]

I'm going to sleep now for real

[minor orchid]

superheavy weapon: hand holder

[west phoenix]

goodnight for real this time

[cerulean valve]

The gay tax is real, i know they are just waiting to hit me when i least expect it.

[minor orchid]

threat: you

[willow needle]

[noble ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sleepy-gif-20263057

[west phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/a-mimir-gif-26093646

[minor orchid]

definitely a mimir moment

[west phoenix]

living up to my name: whenever i see this gif i hyena laugh

[noble ivy]

Yeenlaugh

[minor orchid]

the cackles

[cerulean valve]

Become ungovernable, don't let them force you to wear pants

[minor orchid]

declare war on pants

[supple carbon]

But i like pants

[west phoenix]

i'm imagining that scene from jimmy neutron where there's just hostile pants walking around

[shell bison]

I'm just over here rping in other servers. lmao

[noble ivy]

Too bad amphibian now you have to wear either a skirt, dolphin shorts or air

[shell bison]

I got a nice long weekend I'm vibing

[west phoenix]

i have a 5 day weekend

its great

[minor orchid]

as it should be, heck

enjoy it to the max

[west phoenix]

thursday-monday

[supple carbon]

Damn

[cerulean valve]

Ugh i need to finish that Archer mech before September ends

[minor orchid]

don't worry

[west phoenix]

kitbash?

[minor orchid]

we will wake you up

when it ends

[frail canopy]

There it is.

[cerulean valve]

Commission

[frail canopy]

I was waiting for it.

[west phoenix]

speaking of which i am almost done with the balor's mech but... man i just haven't been feeling it

i just need some color detail but i am stumped

[supple carbon]

Throw some tequila sunset on it

[cerulean valve]

Onw of these big fuckers

[minor orchid]

how many rockets?

ALL OF THEM

[west phoenix]

2

at least

[cerulean valve]

tfw you detail even the bird shit stuck to the hull

[minor orchid]

at minimum

[supple carbon]

I wanna see a mech with the horrific necktie color scheme

[cerulean valve]

I wish i have not to go full apeshit on just colouring alone, but my autism keeps whispering at me like a devil in ly shoulder

[west phoenix]

this is where i ended up but man i have no idea how to color some of the inner bits, what to do with the opening in the chest, and what to do with the hand/head

[cerulean valve]

[west phoenix]

its a sal turned balor

[minor orchid]

man I don't know what's this but

looks fire

[minor orchid]

Salabalor

[supple carbon]

Make it drip?

[shell bison]

yeen, I have a question

[west phoenix]

ye?

[noble ivy]

Baladin

[cerulean valve]

Have you tried adding a lil bit of ambient lights?

[west phoenix]

i like salabalor

if you say it with a spanish accent

[cerulean valve]

Oh there's the autism speaking again

[minor orchid]

Baladin for English
Salabalor para español

[west phoenix]

no! thats something i haven't done with kitbashing yet but it could be cool

[shell bison]

||Should Char let Loki hit? I got ta feeling that one fight coming up will have him showboat a bit to try and impress her.|| ch2 spoiler

[west phoenix]

i'm still kind of an amateur and don't really do it often, a player of ours just switched and i've made all of our party's tokens

[shell bison]

WHY ARE YOU ALL EYES EMOJI THAT

[supple carbon]

Baladin is better

[west phoenix]

||keep leading him on and then give him the best night of his life||

[cerulean valve]

Lil bit of light blue around the flames and a bit reflecting on the armor should make it pop.

[minor orchid]

because I saw it :>

[west phoenix]

i agree, but i need to learn how to do that lmao

and i already want it to be done because we've had two fights with a default ass balor

[cerulean valve]

What program are you using?

[west phoenix]

gimp

[cerulean valve]

Hmm

[supple carbon]

Isn't that the name of the guy who orders arround the prostitutes?

[west phoenix]

shut your mouth

[cerulean valve]

I've never used gimp tbh

[minor orchid]

pffff

[supple carbon]

Valid response

[minor orchid]

that would be with p
with g is something else-

[cerulean valve]

I am shackled like a Faustian bargain to CSP

[west phoenix]

i wouldn't worry about it panzer, i'm not trying to overcomplicate things with this bash :p

if i did it would make the rest look weird

[cerulean valve]

Yeah

yeah

[shell bison]

So real bestie, got to prove to Archie and Ari that Char can hang with the girl failures as a Woman Success

[west phoenix]

if i make one that isn't part of our team's set then i want to go all out to practice

[supple carbon]

I know i know, i was making a funny, got shuted uo

[west phoenix]

after today i think we all earned the rank of girl (and enby) successes

[shell bison]

ARI POPPED OFF SO HARD GAMER

[west phoenix]

thats probably the smoothest game of lancer i've ever had

against an ultra veteran

[cerulean valve]

I'm john overcomplication here, you can ask Gray, Koba and Matsci.

[minor orchid]

John Complex

[cerulean valve]

They kept yelling at me to stop adding details to simple commission cause i was going overboard

[west phoenix]

man i feel that. i already want to go back and touch up some old kitbashes because this one is already leagues better than the rest

[cerulean valve]

[clever cloud]

I just realized that, in Lancer, you could have like 9, or 12 or like 15 generations of people in the same household

[cerulean valve]

In fact

[west phoenix]

grandma talking about some crazy seccom shit

[cerulean valve]

Hey @worthy root

[supple carbon]

I find him quite simple

[worthy root]

[minor orchid]

man... family dinners gotta be crazy

[cerulean valve]

I'm gonna add shadows and rendering to a flats commission again.

[clever cloud]

estates could be very common

[west phoenix]

PANZER NO

[shell bison]

Panzer you sound like my artist that when I ask a sketch and she ended up going ham on Charlotte's burn scar details

[west phoenix]

THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT

[cerulean valve]

The autism train has no brakes

[west phoenix]

man i need an artist like that lmao

[minor orchid]

We will derrail you(?)

you need to consider!

[west phoenix]

i comm'd an artist recently and they were like "technically that would be this type of commission 🤓 " and i'm like man you're lucky i'm financially well off rn

i sound like i'm ungrateful towards artist i know i'm sorry

[cerulean valve]

Also he gets mad i don't admit I'm a good artist, to the point that's become like a meme in itself.

[west phoenix]

well you are

dumb stinky idiot

[noble ivy]

Good heavens, you're gonna derail him??!?

[cerulean valve]

A72suzhswkH ew jsjauebdkan NO I'M MOT

[worthy root]

https://bsky.app/profile/panzerbunn.bsky.social/post/3l6pl67yvd72x

🇲🇽 Panzerbunn (@panzerbunn.bsky.social)

I'm gonna put this right here

#CommissionInfo #Commissions

Bluesky · Oct 17, 2024, 1:37 PM

[minor orchid]

Welcome to Calliope, we have:
-Great Artist who say they are not great

but deep inside

[clever cloud]

GOOD ARTIST SPOTTED

[cerulean valve]

STOP

[minor orchid]

they are

[west phoenix]

sshiiieeeeet

[cerulean valve]

STOOOOP AAAAAA

[west phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/samaisthellama-sama-llama-fuck-boi-fucc-boi-fuck-boy-gif-24223729

you got comms there???

[clever cloud]

PANZER THESE PRICES ARE A DAMN STEAL WTF

[noble ivy]

who's this little goober?

[cerulean valve]

YOU STOP RIGHT FUCKING THERE.

[minor orchid]

it's a goober

[cerulean valve]

Ratzpyre gaming.

[west phoenix]

honestly i was looking for someone to do a mech commission 👁️ 👁️

i don't want to bother you tho

[cerulean valve]

NOT THEY'RE NOT

[supple carbon]

If i had a coin for every good artist that doesn't admit they are good

[west phoenix]

i have a lot of ideas on how this would look in motion that i can't really bash myself

[supple carbon]

I would have enough for a cookie

[cerulean valve]

I'm currently saturated, cause im the world's slowest drawer.

[west phoenix]

keep me updated gamer

you are good

[cerulean valve]

-# to be fair I've been in burnout for like two years now

[west phoenix]

real

[cerulean valve]

Life's a bitch when you're low income. Lmao

[west phoenix]

don't i know it

the last few months are really the only time i've had this much money

i live such a low income lifestyle because i'm used to being broke lol

[cerulean valve]

Fair enough

[west phoenix]

so i know what you're going through friend 🫂

[cerulean valve]

Aye

Also

@worthy root

[west phoenix]

[minor orchid]

Matsci gettin' full pings today

[cerulean valve]

As he should

@worthy root @worthy root @worthy root

[minor orchid]

pfff wonderful

[worthy root]

[cerulean valve]

You fucking gremlin

[minor orchid]

anyway midnight here, you know what it happens

https://tenor.com/view/jerboa-roingus-gn-goo-night-the-little-tiepnsy-gif-22339134

[cerulean valve]

Fish?

[supple carbon]

Im stealing hipo's jerboas

[minor orchid]

Seahorse eeping too

all the eeps

[minor orchid]

Do not Temporary

[west phoenix]

gn the hipo

a mimir

[untold goblet]

I’ve been silently confused not remembering why this thread was open when I never searched for it before

But I remembered that Hipo shared a meme in here with our rats once haha

Is there spoilers in here or are they all spoilered

[noble ivy]

We're pretty good at marking our spoilers here

[untold goblet]

Very good! Alas the game I was in that ran golden flame kinda got iced due to understandable circumstances.

The premise seemed fun though

[noble ivy]

were you another player in Hipo and Quil's game?

[untold goblet]

Quil?

I do not recognize that name

[hybrid salmon]

hey Jesse, you would know me by my sona

yes

they were in my game too

[supple carbon]

Jesse?

[hybrid salmon]

Aeltheric

again, fursona stuff

[supple carbon]

The one from beeaking bad?

[untold goblet]

Oh greetings!

Aye I am in this case then!

[hybrid salmon]

also, nitrogen monoxide :P

[untold goblet]

I’ve just been not having great time in last two months on Lancer related content unfortunately

[hybrid salmon]

that sucks, but is also understandable

[west phoenix]

cat 🫵

[hybrid salmon]

wish our game could have gone better

[untold goblet]

Cat?

And that’s life, I just had a main game blow up two months ago that did some lasting damage.

[west phoenix]

fellow cat. thats all

its like when a cat sees another cat through the window and fluffs up its back

[untold goblet]

Oh the image does give off feline vibe but that character is a marten

Mustelid, bastard noodles

https://tenor.com/view/umora-sable-weasel-cute-jump-gif-21761199

[supple carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/eating-eat-eating-food-monster-h-reginald-gif-2362901127389079325

[hybrid salmon]

creechur

[hybrid salmon]

would tear you apart from the inside out

[supple carbon]

Probably

[clever cloud]

this looks sooo videogame-like. it's fucking gorgeous

[untold goblet]

Sable martens are very teddy bear looking creatures

[supple carbon]

Friebd shaped

[noble ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/sable-gif-17112373592718078644

this is one of the most baby looking animals i've seen...

[west phoenix]

I LOVE MARTENS

my character in igf was given the title of a marten as her fursona

the government mandated fursona

[untold goblet]

Truly so

My character of choice was a rat for the IGF at the time, and been thinking about commissions for her again soon.

But things has been on hold for some time due to mental health.

[upbeat hemlock]

There were government funded fursonas here in Australia a couple years ago

[west phoenix]

real???

[upbeat hemlock]

https://archive.junkee.com/government-furry-olympics/301894

[west phoenix]

HAHA

[supple carbon]

I guess the australian goverment isn't all that bad

[upbeat hemlock]

They have their moments

[thorn hinge]

I mean, the Russian federation got government fursonas for the olympics, they still suck

[west phoenix]

unfortunately a lot of furries suck :)

[supple carbon]

Sending good vibes to the ones who sleep

[west phoenix]

speaking of which i head to bed

goodnight calliope

[noble ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-kittens-kitten-sleeping-mimir-gato-dormir-gif-24014179

[west phoenix]

Actually me last night

[ancient crag]

https://tenor.com/view/h2di-squidward-sleeping-angry-in-bed-can't-sleep-gif-15539889049699227351

[willow needle]

Morning calliope

[minor orchid]

POV: The only human (Trace "Polaris") has now a transhuman rat and mouse as teammates.

But was always at his best!

[minor orchid]

ok but jokes aside the art rocks!

[vast zealot]

(ch2) ||the rebake rainmaker means that you have to make a save before moving any of sunbird's missiles. Supposedly this is supposed to make it more difficult to hack the missiles into the enemy, but in actuality it means that instead of hacking the missiles into the enemy, I simply hack the enemy into the missiles :D||

[upbeat hemlock]

I mean, they hired somebody who is good at doing furries

[willow needle]

well they are using the drawings so, i guess they liked it

[upbeat hemlock]

I am so mad about how the C-Team version of that fight went ||I never got the wolfhound missiles back. Rolled nothing but 3s on the recharge dice for the whole fight||

which is annoying, because I know I'm gonna roll really hot for the CRABS, and they're not the team with the better synergy

[minor orchid]

fair fair heh

[balmy obsidian]

Quote from one of my players just now
"I'm going to look for groups of spanish people"

[upbeat hemlock]

....why?

[minor orchid]

I wonder how, I wonder why

[balmy obsidian]

He is looking for someone named José Garcia

[limber fossil]

GM and I agreed that Shelly the Station NHP sounds like Peridot from Steven Universe

[minor orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/you-clod-angry-steven-universe-peridot-gif-15778740

I honestly see it haha

[west phoenix]

This is Shelly bullying

[hybrid salmon]

i'm with yeen here

[minor orchid]

like in english I can see it

in spanish it's too high pitched

https://youtu.be/pyvWcGUwyoQ?si=tKMd0F8MKgvjQdpy

for comparison haha

[clever cloud]

peri-donté

[shell bison]

https://tenor.com/view/emperors-new-groove-kronk-what-does-that-have-to-do-with-anything-hes-got-a-point-does-not-make-sense-gif-5057256

[minor orchid]

just a silly dorito

Nacho verde

[limber fossil]

it's not her personality

just her voice

[west phoenix]

I honestly imagined her with very little inflection and a monotone voice

[minor orchid]

Can see that tho!

[west phoenix]

The type of hoe to say "apartment complex? I find it quite simple"

[noble ivy]

I think Peridot's early voice matches Shelly's energy
https://youtu.be/wFqiMw0T5_8?list=PLYkHGaMFdArcLibml7RFfyFY31F7xM1KQ&t=174

[west phoenix]

Honestly i forgot how normal she sounded

I'm so used to her being a squealing gremlin. I can see this

[noble ivy]

-# shelly gremlin in act 2 confirmed

[minor orchid]

Considering certain data about her! ||food coding stuff hehe||

[supple carbon]

Lancer... not today

[minor orchid]

I cannot do lancer every day you sick-

And funny enough, not because I don't wanna!

(but because your schedules simply suck dick!)

[supple carbon]

betrays you and traps you in the hiperbolic time chamber for a thousand years

[minor orchid]

cuando puedas jugar los domingos me hablas(?) /jkjk

tkm

[supple carbon]

Pipipi

[clever cloud]

hyperbolic time chamber for ttrpgs is the fucking dream

[west phoenix]

Real

Then you would have to rely on players getting stuff done quickly

Mfers can't level up correctly nor decide downtime actions to save their life

[willow needle]

hey i would be able to do lancer almost everyday :3

[minor orchid]

Naana lancer?!

NAANA DMS WALLFLOWER?!

chat read this-

[willow needle]

maaaaaaayyyyyybeeee one day?

[west phoenix]

I was going to say naana doesn't have the heart to GM wallflower but she already GMs strahd

Wallflower is "torture porn" i don't exactly agree with that 100% but it's uh... A lot

[minor orchid]

Lets just say

it's a lot...

[west phoenix]

I did say that

[minor orchid]

Your blorbo will have to pick a side

[minor orchid]

exactly

[west phoenix]

Wha- in wallflower???

Or something else???

[willow needle]

torture porn?

[west phoenix]

Its painful

[minor orchid]

yeye

[willow needle]

how so?

[west phoenix]

I can't explain that

But a lot of bad stuff happens

And even the premise is kind of grim

[minor orchid]

I believe there's a meme in reddit that explains all of it-

part of*

[willow needle]

huh

[west phoenix]

If you're picking sides in wallflower you're playing it wrong. There's a pretty clear line on who is and isn't the bad guys lmao

[minor orchid]

-# I may need to read more than just short extracts-

[west phoenix]

If naana is going to run it don't worry about it :)

[willow needle]

i first need to figure out myself with strahd before thinking of another campaign

-# mostly bc last session was shiiiit

[minor orchid]

god damnit naana-

[west phoenix]

It happens

[minor orchid]

it's all good, it happens

[west phoenix]

My next session is going to be shit BECAUSE NO ONE HAS GIVEN ME THEIR DOWNTIME ACTIONS

AND WE HAVE A DAY

[minor orchid]

downtime: get a damn drink

boom

[west phoenix]

If they don't decide before the session they don't get shit. I hate having a whole damn week and not picking one

I can't just improv a scene based on what you give me that day, I'm not built for that

[minor orchid]

I honestly love the downtime options from both base and the expanded IGF things

cubying go brr

[west phoenix]

Me too!!!! I especially love picking them promptly and describing to my GM why i do pick them :)

Lmao i need breakfast and coffee talking about this is making me mad

[minor orchid]

Meow takes downtime: Get a fuggin' breakfast

[willow needle]

also i started playing titanfall 2

[supple carbon]

It wasn't shit it was long which is different

[dire cloud]

I still find it darkly funny that Betty is in a group with a guy piloting a Worldkiller.

[minor orchid]

Betty surrounded by worldkillers, emperors and Enkidu's

a commedy at that point haha

[west phoenix]

I like that everyone in the Dream Team refers to the sunzi as "the war crime mech" and I'm like y'all, out of all the mechs in the game this one ain't that bad

[minor orchid]

The Art of War

[balmy obsidian]

I almost regret giving my players a flamethrower

[noble ivy]

the funny spanish-adjacent mech is one of the least problematic mechs in the whole catalog

[balmy obsidian]

The one that picked it up is a MENACE

[minor orchid]

Wait spanish adjacent?

[minor orchid]

Turbine head

[balmy obsidian]

The descriptions speak spanish because it is valodore technology

[minor orchid]

AAAAAH right-

Guillermo ahora no solo camina

[west phoenix]

we all gotta have one

[willow needle]

https://tenor.com/view/titanfall-bt-bt-titanfall-titanfall-bt-titan-gif-22263947

[west phoenix]

how is calliope today chat

[tame tide]

abbabsaagggabuh

ee

If u catch what I'm saying

[west phoenix]

mhm mhm

understood

[minor orchid]

Something something sunday I believe-

I think it's time to finish Lucy textwall and join the wall of blorbos

[clever cloud]

im on a coffee date with my wife

[noble ivy]

I went a little too hard on caffeine last week so my brain feels like mush today

[west phoenix]

tell her i said hi

[west phoenix]

it took a week for you to process it?

i was going to hang out with a friend today but we both slept like shit, so we're going to hang out tomorrow instead

unfortunately it'll be labor day so places will be busier but oh well

[noble ivy]

I think i was just staving off a crash until now

[west phoenix]

locked in, now locked out

[formal gale]

Just finished cleaning the back half of my apartment, time to chill for the rest of the day.

And pick out music for some chapter 2 fights depending on how motivated I am but eh we'll see

[west phoenix]

oh man i finally folded most of my laundry yesterday, gotta now fold the stuff i washed now too...

[formal gale]

Always a bummer when you leave clean laundry out, finally finish folding it, only to realize you need to do laundry again the next day

[supple carbon]

Since hipo is not here, can i get a tip on lancer combat?

[clever cloud]

she did her classic growl and snarl. trust, this is positive

[formal gale]

go for it Frog!

[west phoenix]

aaaaw, love you too 🩵

[balmy obsidian]

So far all I know of Eleonor's wife is that she bit her once and that she growls and snarls

[clever cloud]

she is also a PhD student in Geology if that helps fill out the character xD

[west phoenix]

is there a problem?

[tame tide]

ROCKS

[west phoenix]

rocks rock

[tame tide]

https://tenor.com/view/raven-ac6-armored-core-621-gif-6511574555647768530

[supple carbon]

She bites rocks too(?)

[balmy obsidian]

I have many problems but someone eating rocks is not one

[west phoenix]

thats how you identify what type of rock it is

[balmy obsidian]

🪨

[clever cloud]

facts -tati

[willow needle]

[west phoenix]

has she ever found a fossil

[balmy obsidian]

? Eleonor is right there

[noble ivy]

stop calling people fossils, you child

[formal gale]

pffttt

[balmy obsidian]

You are younger than me

[noble ivy]

[tame tide]

People so good at shit talkingg younger people you forgot who is younger than you

[west phoenix]

juli is younger than i thought

she is full of wisdom...

[tame tide]

Your mother

[noble ivy]

really? you think i have wisdom?

[clever cloud]

many marine fossils on the side of the road

no vertebrates, im not that lucky
-tati

P.S. im older than eleonor so im "technically" a cradle robber

[tame tide]

Eleonor is older than Eleonor!?!?!?!?!

[balmy obsidian]

fossils

plural

[clever cloud]

my wife, al... my wife, tati, is a few months older than me

[west phoenix]

this is her wife speaking you fool

[balmy obsidian]

if you are a day older than me I will treat you as a fossil
if you are a day younger than me i will treat you as a newborn

[tame tide]

ELEONOR IS ELEONOR'S WIFE!!!

[clever cloud]

brb making a pluralkit character just for my wife

[west phoenix]

just invertebrates yeah? mostly ammonites i assume

[willow needle]

wife inception

[clever cloud]

bivalves i think. i'll let her correct me

[noble ivy]

there are two wives inside you

[west phoenix]

yes. goober wisdom

[west phoenix]

goals...

[noble ivy]

-# i didn't mean it like that but you do you

[clever cloud]

most of this was in PR and rocks there are fairly young so no ammonites

bivalves, brachiopods, seastar and urchin bits

[west phoenix]

i thought my wives were doing me

[balmy obsidian]

the wife is you

[west phoenix]

BABA is you

[cerulean river]

wife here, I was summoned? >.>

[willow needle]

baba is wife?

[noble ivy]

but if baba is wife than what is you

[west phoenix]

wife

[minor orchid]

wife as well

[balmy obsidian]

baba is wife
baba is you

[cerulean river]

wife is baba

[clever cloud]

goals....

[minor orchid]

and they are kissing aggresively-

[west phoenix]

you're not poly don't lie

[tame tide]

Wife is wife

[clever cloud]

let me lie on the internet jen!

[willow needle]

being poly is so based

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059603134504255528/1402272035392065707/cooltext488070793325610.gif

why that reaction..

[west phoenix]

when the mech has 3+ mounts call that polyarmory

[west phoenix]

harrison armory. polyarmory

[tame tide]

What if, my aux/aux mount kissed 😳

[cerulean river]

P-polyauxary?

[willow needle]

can a mech mount another mech like a superheavy mount?

[tame tide]

Me on my turn pretending that my GMS standard issue pistols are kissing whilst I wait for my turn again

The enemy ronin I am engaged with wonderingg what the fuck I am doingg

[cerulean river]

I thought that's what the tactical bus mech was for

[tame tide]

No but I can

[west phoenix]

archie last session was making phonk edits of the squad while they did rallying cry

waiting a full 2 rounds to play the game does that to a mfer

[tame tide]

In my DND game I play I frequently pull out Clip studio paint and draw mid turns

[balmy obsidian]

on the subject of IGF my players went through one of the first combats of chapter 2 (ch2) ||Thermopylae||
They styled on my ||sniper|| that I only got to shoot once with (and missed)
Jésus blew up the character I put a death curse on so now he's gonna be tracked by something spooky
The players lost a total of (I think) 3 structures?
At some point one of them got targeted by 5 ||engineer turrets|| and got hit by all of them so he ate a lot of lead and it was funny
I also rolled a critical amount of 1s this session

[cerulean river]

Or the goblin. They just get to do that