Waffenfabrik Zalewski

[shy obsidian]

like the emulation scene and abandonware

[toxic seal]

Now time to have a look at black ambassador and start buildcrafting to begin thinking up an alt frame!!!!!

[north hatch]

I gotta do art of the Golden Fleece and figure out the lore tie in

[toxic seal]

I just had a horrific idea

black ambassador is evasion based with a sort of insurance policy against getting hit

how about we...

flip that idea for the alt

make it heavy and tough

but instead of an insurance policy

it make your enemies file a claim as it were

none of the black ambassador's systems really have anything relating to yknow

[north hatch]

I did something like this for my white witch alt, evil, i love it

[toxic seal]

Hacking

which is good

because the TR 8 is agility and engineering focused

benefitting from the highest amount of limited systems possible as well as a large amount of non unique, disposable systems that can be discarded

and it is ZOOMING at a 5 speed

and 10 evasion

this thing has SSC evasion levels

so

we levereage the toughness of havingso much disposable CRAP on the mech to make it not speedier,

but tankier

and of course, give it a little tech action synergy and better sensors and better systems stats with less engineering and voila

i just need a way to implement it

[north hatch]

This was what i generally did for the white witch one

[north hatch]

• Perhaps a feature relating to getting more defensive when you destroy mounts
• perhaps an integrated weapon that does better and better with destroyed systems
• mutual destruction perhaps? When an enemy caused you to destroy something reaction cause them to destroy something on a fail, 1/enemy ?

Thats what comes to my mind based on your idea

[toxic seal]

the thought i have is that it kinda reverses the use of the repair nanocore

[north hatch]

Huhhhh

[toxic seal]

just commit to shredding and killing the enemy through systems and physical force

[robust granite]

This sounds rad, carry on

I'm trying to think of any weird alternate stuff I pondered when writing it

[toxic seal]

the melee hacker is an overdone trope in homebrew but not the "hacker that just shoots you with a gun"
there's only one frame to my knowledge that does that and its the Pegasus. But there are no hackers that fully commit to the tanky vanguard hacker and really run with it fully

not even the iconic Hortuga fits that bill fully

[robust granite]

IIRC something I had floating around was "exchange Armor for Limited charges"

But that might not fit your theme

[north hatch]

Do you think giving it some built-in in integrated invade/tech options could help?

Would further incentivize picking up more hacking options later down

And would give you built-in synergy since the license itself doesn't give you

[toxic seal]

yes yes

i was actually thinking something of the like

[toxic seal]

armor is great, but armor only goes so far

[toxic seal]

Now, what I need to do is write up stats

[robust granite]

What's it caaaaalled?

[toxic seal]

Well given Wa.Zal is based off rainbow codes

TR-8A "Black Knight"

@robust granite

Which was an actual rainbow code btw

But I think for our purposes a warrior is a nice foil for the name of the more evasion and engineering based ambassador

[north hatch]

The Golden Fleece

Alt for the Red Yoke

Named for the golden fleece of Greek mythology, meant to be kept in both the naming scheme of WaZal, and keeping the greek mythology naming scheme of my field guide setting lore

Sensors 10 or 15
Heavy
-------------
Traits  
                                        
Closed Frequency Transmitters
The Golden Fleece can still use their comms to communicate to and from allies, even if they or their allies are jammed. Additionally, once per round, when the Golden Fleece becomes jammed, It may scan a target within sensors as a free action, ignoring the restrictions of jammed for this scan action.
------------
Patented Decisive Strike Software
1/round When you roll 20+ on a tech attack: Apply Lock-On
------------
Fleet_Bomb_Final .zip
When you install a ranged weapon on the Golden Fleece (or for each weapon when you perform a FULL
REPAIR), you may have it gain the Smart Trait. 

The Golden Fleece can choose to have ranged weapon attacks made with Smart weapons count as a Tech Attack for systems, abilities and Talents, instead of counting as a weapon attack. All Kinetic and Energy becomes Explosive if you do so. 
``` ```Core System                              
Commanding the Airwaves
You gain the following quick tech option and reaction tech option. You can not use one in the same round you used the other. 

Airwave Disruption
1/Round Quick Tech Action
Remove the Lock On Condition from the target. 

Airwave Override
1/round Tech Reaction
When a hostile mech within sensors with the lock on condition would make a tech attack against an ally within sensors, you can consume that lock on to give them +1 Difficulty on their roll.
``` ```
Core Power
To Speak Above All the Rest
Protocol, 1CP

For the rest of the scene, Patented Decisive Strike Software, Airwave Disruption, and Airwave Overide are all no longer 1/round. 

Additionally, Airwave Disruption and Airwave Overide can be used during the same round. 

[north hatch]

👀👀

Look forward to seeing yours too

[robust granite]

Core Power's not entirely making sense to me

[north hatch]

Oh wait lemme see it may need a reword

[robust granite]

Is "Patented Decisive Strike Software" the same as "Decisive Strike Tracker Software"?

[north hatch]

Oh lmao I've changed the names on everything at least three times let me fix that

[robust granite]

And gaining Airwave Disruption twice per round isn't that useful, especially if it prevents you from using Airwave Override

[toxic seal]

aye it should remove the once per round restriction

just remove restriciton entirely cause its a cp

[north hatch]

That was intended and I forgot to add it after adding the restriction

[north hatch]

This should be fixed now

[toxic seal]

nonono

[north hatch]

oh like

Fuck it no restrictions

[toxic seal]

just remove the 1/round and 2/round BECAUSE it is a core power

yeah

[north hatch]

Ta da

Limiter removal

[toxic seal]

any cp that just says hey you can use these actions more now is useful BECAUSE those action are powerful and restricted to once per round

[north hatch]

Okay yeah that should be more clear now

[toxic seal]

now im gonna write up the stats for the TR-8A

[north hatch]

I have a habit of over balancing things because I'm so used to dealing with dnd5e people just labelling all things as op, haha

[toxic seal]

yeah 5e people are rules lawyers by heart and find ways to break shit

my friend hates how everything has to be overexplained in minute detail because of that

for the TR-8A im thinking a really chunky size 2 with a decently high repair cap, pretty low heat cap, high edef and +1 tech attack as well as slower to average speed and CRAPPY evasion

you arent using your bog standard (if there is such a thing) build you used on the base TR-8

because the HASE priorities for the frame are flipped

now because of what the TR-8A is i would imagine it has Flex, main, and heavy mounting because of what it is

and what the license has

(looks at that arc projector)

like bujesus that thing has a lot of damage

worth even for just magdumping and tossing it for a heavy and main

[north hatch]

Ohhh fun

[toxic seal]

because it even allows you to do that

like just allows you to hotswap to anythign that fits those mounts that you have the SP for that you have the license for

its cool

[robust granite]

Working As Intended ™️

[toxic seal]

soo far this looks alright for the base states ye?

oop forgor the 8 sp

is meant to shove a bunch of systems on it so

and unlike the black ambassador the black knight doesnt have a distributed grid

but i am thinking that it still needs that whole explode yourself flavor

[robust granite]

My question would be, does a high Repcap interact too well with Grease Monkey and the Ambassador's systems

[toxic seal]

hmmmm

you are right ill lower the repcap

it synergizes too well

as a result it would have way too much capacity to keep trucking

it may be a tanky hacker but it is just that

a tanky hacker

it isnt designed to constantly be able to keep repairing, it's too chunky for that kinda heat

[robust granite]

It's why the Black Ambassador has a wholly average repcap

[toxic seal]

actualyl iirc 5 is average, its the everest repcap

but i will lower the repcap to be below the Black ambassador at 3 because lore wise the black ambassador can actually cope with that heat for the repairing

plus you arent meant to be refilling limited charges on this thing, you are supposed to be dumping limited charges to have empty systems to use as armo-

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

EPIPHANYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYyyy

[robust granite]

...I can be trusted to balance homebrew

[toxic seal]

So you know how black ambassador basically says explode yourself

the black knight says FORTIFY YOURSELF

its literally "FORTIFY!" "SIEGE!" "FORTIFY!" "SIEGE!" "FORTIFY!" "SIEGE!" "FORTIFY!" "SIEGE!" "FORTIFY!" "SIEGE!"

im a fucking GENIUS

[robust granite]

Blow up limited systems to deploy cover?

[toxic seal]

not quite what i was thinking

but your got the ball rolling a bit

now i need to figure out the signature Wa.zal massive drawback trait™️

im thinking of having a derivative of exposed reactor

i took the fortify and siege thing very literally

boom

classic WaZal massive drawback trait

now....

what is a good and unique invade option for somethign big and bulky that obviously intends to shoot you next turn

[toxic seal]

this feels perfect for a vanguard who wants to be within range 2-5

what do you think

in retrospect i should make each option 1/round

there

i think that works yea?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1q850aeZZ6_l40QZRuaQOLOj7sfditgZngE-eGMfCY18/edit?usp=sharing

there we go

so far the names and stuff arent done

but yknow

[toxic seal]

ALRIGHT

@robust granite first draft of the Black knight is done

[near dew]

lmao that first invade is genuinely insane

even frame locked unless the frame has awful sensors. but it's amazing even then

[toxic seal]

again

first draft

expect changes

[near dew]

I don't think exposed on invade can even live through a first draft, esp not with a heavy mount

[toxic seal]

that is understandable

probably going to make it impaired or immobilized instead

Edit number 1:

//ASHES_TO_ASHES now inflicts Impaired instead of Exposed

[robust granite]

What if, in the proud tradition of "Explode Yourself", it makes both your mech and the target Exposed

[summer edge]

That thing is nutty in the best way! Is it meant to be an alt or a full frame?

[toxic seal]

Y'know....

I love that

[robust granite]

Also, reading the file again, Direct Hardware Access needs clearer rules for how exactly it works with Skirmish/Barrage

does it happen in addition to a weapon attack? Instead of a weapon attack?

[toxic seal]

It acts as a weapon attack but deals no damage and applies an invade

[toxic seal]

@robust granite :)

Multiple edits made

Reworded Direct Hardware Access, & Regicide Targeting Systems

Additionally streamlined the wording of Spaced Armor

Reworked >>//ASHES_TO_ASHES to expose yourself and the target

Explode yourself

[barren moon]

Is this based off of that one battletech mech?

[toxic seal]

Nope

[barren moon]

OH

[toxic seal]

Completely original design

Though there is an obscure Limbus company reference in there

[robust granite]

Slowly crunching away at the final two NPCs

@toxic seal @north hatch any news on your respective projects?

[north hatch]

None yet past my original premises

I've been taking a little bit of a break so I don't burn out

[robust granite]

Reasonable

[toxic seal]

I will probably have to do a full overhaul of stats and traits and what not

Firstly due to it being monstrously powerful without much downside

[robust granite]

Balance is just a word

[toxic seal]

I mean yeah but at the same time I would rather it be at least somewhat balanced

Will it be fun? Oh yeah. For the player

Granted, as I was thinking about it:

Why not just go whole hog into the "speedy mech with limited systems that is going to probably blow your face off?"

And make it a size 1/2?!

I'll be keeping the spaced armor trait

Because extra armor is the one thing every small mech needs

And I can finally have the fantasy of a literal powered hardsuit mech

That isn't so niche like the atlas

Or as.... Bulky as the Napoleon

"There are heavy beasts of burden, cavalry mechs weighing in at the hundreds of tons. But this? Your heavy armor slows you down. Your mech needs to be as light and as small as possible. They cannot hit a person moving at mech speeds so easily. And when you get close...?

Unleash the full fury and force of a burning heart, use any and all systems at your disposal. Unload and be strong. Fuel the burning fire of your tactical revolution, and become a knight of death itself."

I will try and link this thing to Horus somehow but I think that after the rather unpopular unveiling of the black ambassador, a smaller, """cheaper""" model would be made

Anyway this has rekindled my creativity so

RRRRRAAAAAHH LETS FUCKIN GOOOOOOOOO

[robust granite]

Happy to help, hahahaha!

[toxic seal]

also im going to throw caution to the wind here

and also yknow do a thing

[toxic seal]

while the Black ambassador can be a little tanky with yknow

that whole core passive

lets just

literally throw caution to the wind and make a glass cannon

You heard of the Red Sun, now get ready for the Black Sun!

MANIACAL LAUGHTER

[robust granite]

Excellent.

[toxic seal]

now im wondering if i should get rid of spaced armor as a trait because it feels useless, like its just... there

like its more features being tacked on to an already complex frame

ill get rid of it because with the integrated weapon im going to be using itll be perfect

oh

oho

HAHA

HAHAHAHAHAH

WAH HA HA HAAAAAAA

the base black ambassador gave me an awful idea

@robust granite idk the color of core passives in the core book so this is what we get for color for now but hehehehehehe

For everyone else, no peeekies!~ ;)

[sick prism]

I can literally peeksies right now

[toxic seal]

EY

hits you with a rolled up newspaper no.

[sick prism]

no arms raised against me shall find me, entombed as I am within my panopticon

[toxic seal]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1q850aeZZ6_l40QZRuaQOLOj7sfditgZngE-eGMfCY18/edit

tentatively done

[robust granite]

That is rrrrrisky

Blow up your systems to get Limited, blow up your Limited to go fasssst

[toxic seal]

the entire point is risk

[toxic seal]

and isnt the entire point of black ambassador to just say "explode yourself"?

[robust granite]

It is good

[toxic seal]

PHEW

[toxic seal]

ill be honest iwas inspired by this are by STtheo (Theo Stylianides) on artstation when thinking of the Black sun and how it would kinda feel

unfortunately is grainy because fuck you pintrest

wait found the source image

[robust granite]

Now just jank it up further and make it explode, and you're golden

[toxic seal]

Indeed

After all it does have a full on nanocore on it, so the backpack type thing could definitely be having some balorlike definitely not fire™️

[robust granite]

If I have the time/energy in the next few days I might just take a crack at it

[toxic seal]

:0

[robust granite]

Always nice to have an excuse to draw a mech

Can't let Naruga do all the Wa.Zal art

[toxic seal]

i mean you did all the wazal art before naruga did

also changed a big of the core passive's wording so it couldnt be abused by Daisy cutter

because @plush pond pointed out that Daisy Cutter could easily abuse that shit

so i heartily thank you for reminding me it exists lmaooo

[plush pond]

😌

[summer edge]

What is this sweet monster of insanity lol

[toxic seal]

Something that needs playtesting lmao

[robust granite]

@toxic seal Rereading this, the big thing with Last Testament is that it makes Limited systems with 0 charges eligible for destruction, and makes all your limited systems count as having zero charges for the sake of the Pulsar, yeah?

Wouldn't it be simpler to just phrase it as "Limited systems with no charges are eligible for destruction by Dying Star, and the Pulsar gains its bonus damage for each Limited system on your mech"?

[toxic seal]

Yeah actually thanks

OMG I needed that simplicity

[robust granite]

Take the world's shittiest Fallout power armor, and make the top half explode into Balor

[toxic seal]

what's weird is i envisioned the Pulsar as almost a kind of traditionalish looking arm mounted gun with fucked up™️ workings.

ya feel me?
Also oough i love how angular it is

its so vibes

also Konig you are an absolute king i never thought id be making lancer homebrew period and now i have an alt frame that's getting legitimate art

honestly never thought id ever make it this far

anyway changelog for the black sun:
Simplified the wording of the core power protocol

[robust granite]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-the-office-memes-michael-neuvifuri-gif-15410005780506284769

[cold inlet]

Very quick mockup of T-12 for a player

[robust granite]

Scopedog/10!

[toxic seal]

OOOOOOOOUUUUGH

NIIICE

[toxic seal]

I might as well try and make a funny build for the Black Sun given y'know, it's all written down, it's approved, it has art and now....

It just needs to be put in and play tested

A funny thing:

Alt frames might actually be something seen more often in this as I think about each license so there... There may be more

[robust granite]

DEW IT

[tawny lava]

Just wanna say I love this! My table calls this the “Waffle House” supplement.

[robust granite]

Now, I'm not saying your GM is morally obligated to have a sitrep inside a Zalewski Telecomms Food Services Breakfast Canteen, buuuuuuut-

[summer edge]

Now does it include attempted robbery, a shoot out, and/or things just getting weird

[robust granite]

Entirely up to the GM

[tawny lava]

The Police (HA) are planned to show up to stop the fun (Stealing hazardous materials).

[toxic seal]

Look, Zalewski Telecomms has a lot of very lonely omninet relay stations in the middle of bumfuck nowhere so a waffle house on one of those stations makes sense

[tawny lava]

https://tenor.com/view/chair-parry-waffle-house-parry-gif-27308104

Average Telecom station on a slow night.

[robust granite]

Ah, the frame-perfect chair parry

[tawny lava]

The Squad

Horrible Goose-Brown Goose
Gorilla-Green Praise
TYPSI-Green Praise
Mistmaker-Pink Disk

[tawny lava]

They beat the bandit’s collective ass. The bandits were lead by a Szem and Banka

[robust granite]

@tawny lava two Green Praises? In one squad?

Dayum

This campaign sounds rad

[toxic seal]

So, as I am creatively bankrupt ATM I might see if I can find a way to make an alt of a certain robot car and make it into a motorcycle

Or maybe something else idk I am currently wondering if.... Hmmm.... I have a lot of ideas and the ideas thrum in my head like the rumbling of an engine, the screaming of a piston powered hotcore....

Oh yes this will be a hotcore

[tawny lava]

Since I had two Green Praises are beam drones supposed to be at the end of every turn? The wording kinda suggested that it is. We changed it to just end of green praise cause of bloat.

I do like Pink Disk, they did their job and made mince meat of all the Legionaries (enhanced combat npc); while still being threatened by the single Legoinarie that got close and almost structured them.

The Jade Clipper was decent and was very much a threat to the Banka and the Szem. Structured the Banka and Oneshot the Szem who got 12 from a deck sweeper and rolled a one on structure.

The Brown Goose player couldn’t make it; but they literallay were a Minotaur with all the systems and hacking they had

(Overall; I quite liked it)

(Sadly they have to wait till next combat to fight the Ultra Exploder with a Zelva battlebusing two Glas)

[tawny lava]

It was funny, so much difficult/dangerous terrain. Also, The JadeClipper is scary on how simple it seems and than proceeds to rip through shit.

[robust granite]

https://tenor.com/view/venture-brothers-dr-henry-kilinger-proud-papa-gif-19046994

[robust granite]

Absolutely not the end of every turn, no

At the end of the controlling player's turn

[robust granite]

Hacking on a Brown Goose?

[tawny lava]

Yep, the player decided to focus on tech. Didn’t see how it turned out but I could’ve been funny.

[robust granite]

Intriguing

[tawny lava]

This is the Ultra Exploder that is the first "boss" they fight

supported by 2x Zelva and 4x Glas

[robust granite]

Ultra Exploder's gonna be reeeeeal tough to kill

but if they can outlast it

take advantage of that high action economy

[tawny lava]

It will get easier to hit cause of the optional that has it lose evasion for speed

But yeah, he’ll be hard

I’m also “afraid” of the Glas’s who’ll have oversheild from the Zelva

[tawny lava]

The first two rounds are gonna be scary with the burn 7 gun but after that it’s only energy; they also all saved their cores for this so they should be able to lock him down

[full tinsel]

Heya, so I am considering commissioning Retrograde Minis to make a custom base for the brown goose (mostly because my own skills with pixel art are not up to the task) I was advised to seek out the creators blessing prior on the off chance you’re not okay with them hosting it.

Love the work btw, using the brown goose in an upcoming campaign.

[robust granite]

https://tenor.com/view/bwah-scared-shocked-surprised-king-of-the-hill-gif-5547828

[robust granite]

You have my blessing, just keep me posted at every step of the process 'cause that's rad

[full tinsel]

hell yes! Shall begin the process.

[vague prism]

I just found this and I think I'm in love with the Indigo Dream and brown goose designs

I dunno if I'll get to use it any time soon but I am workshopping a Dream build

[robust granite]

Thanks so much! Enjoy your workshopping!

[mild topaz]

Hi read this. Some real interesting designs. Purple Flytrap is fun. Was wondering what the "remove ai" thing from the Svejk NHP do? Disable all ai systems?

[robust granite]

Crunch-wise, none of your NHPs or systems with the AI tag work for that turn

Lore-wise the Svejk is too busy babbling incoherently or making grand, sweeping megalomaniacal speeches about how everything is going exactly as planned

[toxic seal]

The world's smartest stupidest nhp

[quasi tusk]

Was reading through the frames and noticed on YELLOW HYPOTHESIS in the core power, seems to be a bit of misplaced text "The SVEJK's sudden intelligence lasts for as long as the GM deems plot-appropriate; this NHP is exactly as idiotic or as brilliant as the story demands."

[mild topaz]

Could you talk a little bit about Yellow Hypothesis and how you intendt to be used. Just some odd things mixed in yhere yhat I font fully understand

[robust granite]

I see nothing misplaced about this. The NHP is dumb, or brilliant, or both. It depends on the tone and circumstances of your campaign.

[robust granite]

It's made for speedrunning sitreps. What you do is face the intersection of two Size 2 pieces of cover, deploy a Paracausal Form, and, no more than 3 frames before the animation completes, rapidly pause and unpause the game. This triggers a frame buffer overflow where LANCER will start dumping character positional data in order to attempt to resolve where the attack will land without crashing.

You'll know it's happening when you see your mech's limbs no longer correctly interacting with the ground-it's easiest to do this with a two-legged chassis but any legged configuration will do.

Next, execute a series of running backhops while continuing to spam out your paracausal forms- the attack won't go through but it will force the game to continue to attempt to process that you are attacking. Because your positional data isn't being properly tracked here, hopping backwards causes a negative underflow fault in the vector calculations of your mech's movement. It's tricky, but if you can bhop fast enough your velocity becomes so high that, combined with the way Lancer renders maps, you can theoretically end up occupying every space in the map's grid simultaneously.

Now, a vital caveat here; you have to stop both the bhop and the attacking on exactly the frame the "Sitrep Complete" cutscene starts to play, otherwise your Mech might lose alignment with the grid and hit the kill barrier at the bottom of the worldspace, killing it instantly (this can also sometimes occur if the terrain has been manipulated too many times in one mission, hence why it's not recommended to pull this strat with a Kobold in your party)

Also your GM might hit you over the head with the rulebook, and no one wants that.

Does that answer your question?

[near dew]

no they mean misplaced in the cp for yellow hypo lol

like the last line here is mistakenly included in the frame's cp text in addition to being on the NHP license item

[robust granite]

https://youtu.be/SYCP71qcYZw?si=RITQTqTmIvBqA4zy

My bad

I'll add that to the Big List of Typos

[near dew]

lmao ur good

[vague prism]

I made a LL3 and a LL5 Dream so far, but I do want to ask about the + armor roll systems:
do the Torque Converters actually raise its armor to 5 temporarily on a 2-4? I am rather new to lancer and thought the cap was 4.

[robust granite]

This is basically a case of "ask your GM", honestly

The armour cap of 4 isn't hard-imposed anywhere in the system, it's just what basically nothing goes above

I'd allow 5 armour Dream on my table

[vague prism]

aaaah. okie

[paper hornet]

Strictly speaking, it's imposed in the Armor introduction, it's just that stuff tends to either reiterate that limit or explicitly break it.

[robust granite]

White Witch, right?

[paper hornet]

Also Kidd's Armor Pack.

[buoyant crow]

And Ultra Argus

[rocky plover]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-the-hangover-gif-10422478

[vague prism]

So could the brown goose work as an apc still without taking the Squad talent from WaZal?

[buoyant crow]

yes, if you have allied squads of some kind or size 1/2 mechs in your group

[robust granite]

pilots

You have a squad of pilots

[vague prism]

oh rad

[robust granite]

Put Babka in charge while the rest of the gang sits in the back, shooting out the fireports

In the vein of

https://youtu.be/LiXqwt-6XqM?si=2gfseW4P5FFTzf6Z

[rocky plover]

In light of this discussion regarding the Brown Goose, I give you the Brown Goose Build I have been wanting to play forever.

» Jacoba Hererra // BRICK «
  Mercenary, LL6
[ TALENTS ]
  Serjeant 3, Ace 2,
  Crack Shot 2, Leader 2
[ LICENSES ]
  WAZAL KS-1 BROWN GOOSE 3, SSC Swallowtail 2,
  SSC Death’s Head 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  All-Theater Movement Suite, Improved Armament
[ MECH ]
  « THE FLYING GOOSE »
  WAZAL KS-1 BROWN GOOSE
  H:3 A:2 S:2 E:1 SIZE:2
  STRUCTURE:4/4 HP:17/17 ARMOR:2
  STRESS:4/4 HEAT:0/7 REPAIR:6/6
  ATK BONUS:3 TECH ATK:2 LTD BONUS:0
  SPD:5 EVA:8 EDEF:10 SENS:12 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  FLEX MOUNT: Mortar
  MAIN/AUX MOUNT: Assault Rifle / Oracle LMG-I
[ SYSTEMS ]
  High-Stress Mag Clamps, Markerlight,
  FIREPORTS, BABKA CLASS COMP/CON,
  SCHURZEN, Pattern-A Smoke Charges

The Flying Goose, Complete with a Rapid Insertion Drop Squad.

[robust granite]

needs more attack helicopter

replace the mortar with missile racks

[vague prism]

bless this goose

[sage basin]

[toxic seal]

Argh I can't make lcps for shit but every time I think about the Black Sun being put into an LCP I feel my body make massive happy chemicals

[robust granite]

How's the writing/balancing of it coming along?

[toxic seal]

So far I think it is pretty balanced but I might remove the 1 armor and add +1 difficulty on systems saves and checks as well

I might decide to add a tech attack penalty but not sure if I should

And I might decide to cap the bonus damage of the pulsar to +4

So it only deals a fixed six damage because knowing what you can do with that and walking Armory... Shudder

I think I took a rather close sort of design philosophy to the Atlas in many ways. Also debating removing the main mount because you can add a flex mount as a cb so

It's already a monster

As it is right now, and having sat on it, it is

Perhaps too good but there are only minor tweaks necessary

After all you can overcharge this thing with impunity if you have enough limited systems

Because all you need is walking Armory 2 and a bunch of destroyed systems to make the pulsar deal far more burn than a main weapon has any right to deal

Might turn it into a heavy as a result and remove the heavy mount instead tbh

Unless I want to y'know

Keep the whole "commit grievous acts of horrific burn related violence" and keep the bonus damage uncapped and turn it into a superheavy

And if I do that, then I'll have to scrap the heavy mount and turn the main into a flex

Because y'know

Flex mounts are better

And iirc the Szabla does 5d6 energy with range 3

The Pulsar would, with enough systems, have the potential to outpace a lot of things with bonus damage alone (though slow to get going) and burn is terrifying

Walking Armory just turns it into an unmitigated monster and that was unintentionally the point

Cause I wanted walking Armory synergy

So if I want walking Armory synergy I have to cap the damage

And Maybe up the capped damage with the core power cause it's a core power

So in its current state I would need play testing to confirm or deny

But I'm kind of bad at being a GM

So for now the Black Sun is in a bit of a play test limbo

I am aware that a Tokugawa can potentially deal far more burn but the Tokugawa has to be exposed for that + in danger zone

That is VERY dangerous

So the Black Sun in balance terms as of now, although very slow to get going can feasibly, once per round, overcharge for free by blowing a system, gain bonus damage, and burn a couple charges from Walking Armory for an instant 4 energy + 4 burn across two attacks

Just round 1

That is round 1

So I think it needs play testing, tweaking, play testing, and so on

That is flat damage

FLAT

so for now

It uh

It needs some play testing from experienced build crafters and GMs to determine actual balance

Granted

If something breathes on it wrong it is going to fucking fold like wet toilet paper so there is that

Plus you are getting up close

Where things can grapple you

And you have difficulty on hull saves

Does uh

This all answer your questions @robust granite? /gen

[robust granite]

It does, yes!

Thank you!

[tawny lava]

I just want to say a pair of of Glas’s is one of the scariest NPCs when the PCs are busy dealing with other threats

[robust granite]

Tell me more!

[tawny lava]

It was the fact that when paired together that they were consistently buffed by each other and were doing a decent amount of burn while being mostly hard to hit

Than the skirmish at the end of a players turn was put on this Drake dealing with a Ultra Exploder and would’ve gotten structured instantly if the other PCs didn’t come down and help take down one of the Glas’s

[robust granite]

That sounds like a vicious encounter

I approve

[tawny lava]

Oh the Glas’s were battlebused by Zelvas and also got oversheild from them

[buoyant crow]

As they should be

[tawny lava]

Also I love how scary a exploder is the first three attacks, but than becomes a fucking wet cat

It’s fun and gives breathing room to the players

[vague prism]

Ngl every time I look over WaZal I find something new I wanna give a spin. i have not played a single game of LANCER yet

[robust granite]

Your time will come, not to worry.

[vague prism]

yellow hypothesis and green praise both seem interesting to slam into someone's game

[toxic seal]

speaking of new i wanna give a spin i need to work on Ivory Spear

[trim sorrel]

hi

i have problems to donlow Waffenfabrik Zalewski

[near dew]

click "download now"

click "no thanks just take me"

click each download link

for the NPC info + NPC lcp, you need to pay. those are not free, but the player facing stuff is

[buoyant crow]

I would also recommend giving what you can to support the creator

[trim sorrel]

ooooooooooh thanks so much

[robust granite]

What @near dew said, but also what @buoyant crow said

[tawny lava]

Will their eventually be NPCs for the ones that dont have them?

[buoyant crow]

That is something that is being actively worked on

[robust granite]

Currently working on that, yes; the next update will include the NPC versions of the Jade Clipper and the Yellow Hypothesis

[tawny lava]

Let’s go!!!

[near dew]

is orange worm core supposed to ignore self heat from mods?

specifically, it gives all weapons (withotu a "may", so i think you can't choose to not have that happen) the ramjet rounds, which are loading+heat self 3 for the bonus damage

and the cp doesn't seem to block that part 😔 so now every rifle/launcher/cannon shot is 3 heat?

[robust granite]

hmmmm, excellent point

I'm leaning towards a "may" clause in there

[ruby mortar]

I love how the Pink Disk can be summed up as:
“So, who are you attacking this turn?”
“Yes.”

[toxic seal]

Yeah pretty much

There is no care nor regard for any structures, towns, homes, or mechs in the way

It will become similar to the surface of the moon when it ends.

[robust granite]

Working as intended

[tawny lava]

Yellow Hypothesis is funny and I’m excited for the NPC ver!

(Not much to say, but loving the work being done!)

[robust granite]

Thank you thank you!

[robust granite]

Putting together the changelog for the Wa.Zal 2.0 update

if you have any balance changes to suggest, now is the time

[tawny lava]

Uhh wordings on the Green praises drones should probably be put to 1/Round

[robust granite]

It's fixed to be tied off of "once per your turn"

instead of "once per turn"

[rocky plover]

You should make the Brown Goose be able to fly by default.

I think that'd be cool plus, I feel it has just enough budget to fit that in.

Not to mention, it'd be thematically appropriate!

Also another mount mebe? Pwetty Please handsome homebrew man???

[robust granite]

Hrmm

What if

alt frame?

[buoyant crow]

Mauve Duck

[robust granite]

In pondering this I do not want to make the Brown Goose a flier

It's too different than the "lowest possible budget" mech concept I was going for

@rocky plover write me a Brown Goose helicopter alt-frame and I'll put it in the .lcp

[vague prism]

Yeah I just noticed that an LL3 Orange Worm can bake itself after 1 shot provided you don't take any engineering

Which I personally find hilarious.

[robust granite]

Cooling systems are expensive

Missiles are cheap

[vague prism]

I'm now making the Brave Little Toaster that is designed to pair up with a Lycan, obliterate it's stress and allow someone to go apeshit

[toxic seal]

i think the core power should reduce or eliminate the heat cost

it is a core power after all

[toxic seal]

YES

ADD THE BLACK SUN FOR PLAYTESTING DO IT

DO IT

crying

[robust granite]

Is it done and ready?

[toxic seal]

It should be ready for play testing yes

[robust granite]

@toxic seal okay, @buoyant crow has a copy for .lcp-ing

@north hatch is the Golden Fleece ready to be coded up?

[north hatch]

Oh let me put that into a proper document sometime within the next week

I'll also have to write up the lore

Technically speaking it's a lore-crossover between the field guide I'm slowly writing up and Wa-Zal

[toxic seal]

Aaaaaaaaaaashfjfjsjfjfndjdjjkk

[north hatch]

You can start doing stuff without me, and add it later

I want to do some last minute polishing, make up a concept art, write up the lore

[robust granite]

Absolutely, no rush!

[north hatch]

I may rather just have it as a separate available document, than added as some sort of update to the official one, gaha

[robust granite]

Your call, really

but standing offer, if I have multiple people making their own alt-frames, why not add 'em?

[toxic seal]

aye they can be tweaked through playtesting

if anything becomes busted beyond reason (like first iteration of the dying star passive for the Black Sun + daisy cutter) it can be nerfed/tweaked/reworded

god

like that shit the first time you took heat for any reason you could just get daisy cutter back

shudder

is it funny? yes

is it busted beyond belief? yes

did I fix it so it doesn't affect limited weapons anymore? also yes

speaking of the black sun i just finished futzing with it and we have the fully ready playtest version
(anxiety got the better of me)

basically just made its negative frame trait a bit more Wa.Zal and also axed the flex mount

so now it has the integrated and the single heavy

yes you CAN put the Szabla on it if you use the yknow core bonus, OR you can put on the HHS-155 Cannibal and commit to horrible acts against god

also i love the fact that i somehow singlehandedly tried to draw more attention to the Black Ambassador and then realized that it has so much synergy with the Gilgamesh

[tawny lava]

May I have a peak at it?

[toxic seal]

hold on ill grab it

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1q850aeZZ6_l40QZRuaQOLOj7sfditgZngE-eGMfCY18/edit

[neon kettle]

I saw 1 person mention this, but couldn't find a definitive answer. Concerning orange worm, if a weapon has ramjet rounds and you fire it so its unloaded, does it stay unloaded if you hotswap ramjet rounds off the weapon?

[near dew]

i'm pretty sure RAW on unloaded things is that they can't be fired even if they are no longer loading - i think there's some loading/unloading dual profiles in core exotics where it comes up

but also like, siege cannon i guess - if it's unloaded it's unloaded even if the weapon suddenly doesn't have it

[neon kettle]

👍

[robust granite]

A rewording of Hotswap to address exactly this issue is going in the next update

[upbeat belfry]

Just wanted to come in here and say i absolutely love the designs!
My favorites are yellow h, green p, and red y

[upbeat belfry]

tho I had a question forthe yellow H, is it's spatial anchor able to move?

[robust granite]

Nope!

It's an anchor!

[upbeat belfry]

Can it be moved?

Like by outside forces?

[buoyant crow]

It's fixed in place

[upbeat belfry]

I do love allthe weird lil disky-heads

[twilit stratus]

idk what to say outside of that the black amby is peak

[shadow goblet]

Indeed, just peak design there.

[twilit stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/peak-it's-peak-mid-it's-mid-shaking-head-gif-14930609437819582275

[robust granite]

The "am" in "peam" stands for "Ambassador"

secret Wa.Zal lore

[twilit stratus]

What’s the rest stand for

Perfect Epic Ambassador?

[sick prism]

Peambassador

[twilit stratus]

Real

[toxic seal]

Peakbassador

[upbeat belfry]

Ugh I want to find a game and just pilot a red yoke as a mad radio dj

[toxic seal]

Do it

[robust granite]

Run a mix of Wa.Zal and AZAI and then we're talking

Be the Space DJ you were always meant to be

[upbeat belfry]

Azai?

[robust granite]

Music/idol-themed manufacturer (that I wrote) in #1058092068381139034

[mild topaz]

Now imagining a Nobilis Imperator (of a homebrew type) with this as a rough visual guide

[robust granite]

What is a Nobilis Imperator?

[mild topaz]

Nobilis is a tabletop rpg about playing gods. The usual set up is the player characters being former mortals charged with safeguarding one specific facet of reality such as the wind, fish, friendship or carrots.

They receive these Estates from beings known as Imperators whose existence creates several estates in the world

Someone homebrewed a type of non-earth-based Imperator. Described something like warmachines dressed in finery or a compound harvester in a trench coat

[robust granite]

Waffenfabrik Zalewski 2.0

SOOOOOOOOOOOOON

[upbeat belfry]

Ho shiiiiiiit

Is it just updates?

Or is there new stuff too

[robust granite]

The changelog is very long

But the update includes Wa.Zal's first alt-frame, and two new NPCs, as well as a lot of balance fixes and rules clarifications

every single mech in the lineup gets at least minor tweaks to its rules

some, like the Indigo Dream, have had almost everything changed slightly

[robust granite]

also, this changelog is long enough, and I've had enough playtester feedback, that almost immediately after version 2.0 is out I'll be starting on version 2.1

[mild topaz]

Purple Flytrap. In a suit. (Traced the outline then messed around with colored pencils)

[robust granite]

Erry noice.

[twilit stratus]

peam

[acoustic sky]

I realise this is a very cheeky ask, but because I'm playing a wazal build in a campaign atm, how soon is soon?

[robust granite]

||Probably tomorrow||

[zenith geode]

i just found this content and id like to say it looks very cool

[robust granite]

I wrote this content, and I'd like to say it is very cool (and thank you)

[zenith geode]

more yummy content to consume and feed my addiction

thank you for writing it :3

[robust granite]

No probablo!

[twilit stratus]

soon™️

[acoustic sky]

Hype

[acoustic sky]

Has anyone in here had much experience with Jade Clipper? I keep looking at it thinking there must be some hilarious/abuseable speed grapple combo this thing can do but I just cannot see it

[prisma orbit]

You can slide-grapple really far with the Klatte device if you get a lucky setup.

You need the Klatte device and the Fluxion bit from Yellow Hypothesis

You fire the fluxiom bit at a target within range of another mech, then fire the Klatte device at the other mech using the Flux bit mechanic.

This lets you slide over to the enemy to grapple it, regardless of the actual distance between you two.

[acoustic sky]

I was looking at an all-in-movement build with power knuckles, hunter/skirmisher, and KLATTE

Basically move 7 -> boost 7 -> skirmisher to move 2 -> hunter to leap 3 -> hit 'em

[prisma orbit]

Flux bit also deals energy.

So you get... 17 range with exbatt.

Then +3 from klatte device.

So you can theoretically grapple an enemy at a max range of 20 spaces with the klatte device.

If you get lucky and have another hostile 3 spaces closer to you.

But you will deal 0 damage with flux bit and lowered damage with the klatte device in the process.

And you do get the negative accuracy.

Unless you remove the trait with a core bonus.

[prisma orbit]

You can also do that, but I think it's less hilarious than magic man extendo handing to grab someone 20 spaces away from you :p

[acoustic sky]

Very true

[acoustic sky]

You can mitigate the fluxion penalty with Gunslinger:1

[robust granite]

working as intended

[prisma orbit]

Mm... it is a flat one.

Ngl Klatte was my first thought when I saw Fluxion bit.

[acoustic sky]

It's definitely a good meme

Pitched it to my group, this was teh reponse I got

[prisma orbit]

Wait it's actually bigger reach.

I forgot about the core power.

The Jade clipper wants to talk to you about your mechs extended warranty

JC and the Pink disk are my favs.

Currently looking at Black amby, but it is... difficult for me.

[acoustic sky]

The Jade Clipper wants you to have to claim on your mech's extended warranty

[acoustic sky]

I'm a big fan of Orange Worm. It's simple, yet effective.

Currently running Sherman3/Worm2/Gilgamesh1 in the game I play in

Wire-Guide Systems on the Andromeda laser is proving hilarious

Last night I was blinded by a Witch so could only see adjacent spaces, but technically, Wire-Guide means I don't actually need line of sight

Just don't ask how you wire-guide a laser and we're all good

[prisma orbit]

Yeah, that is true for arcing and seeking. :p

[prisma orbit]

Simple, launch wire then energize it.

The energy no longer has to pass through the beam, as it has a physical conduit.

I don't know Blacl Ambassador I want to like but losing systems feels bad

But yeah might put Daisy cutter on it and fill it with exclusively ceramic microcapacitors.

immediately overheats

[robust granite]

just, like, lose more systems

embrace being a self-destructive engine of chaos

[acoustic sky]

Black Ambassador is very easy to build powerfully imo

If nothing else, collapsible magazine is a fantastic splash on any limited systems build

Especially becuase it itself is not a limited system and can just be used once per scene to top up other systems

[prisma orbit]

Lowkey excited about the indigo dream (minor?) rework cause I'm putting one of my blorbos in it.

[acoustic sky]

2.0 hype intensifies

[robust granite]

...speaking of which

https://konigstein.itch.io/waffenfabrik-zalewski

[acoustic sky]

[robust granite]

WAFFENFABRIK ZALEWSKI 2.0 IS LIVE

(and here's a changelog):

[buoyant crow]

Now with 17% more Zalewski

[robust granite]

-Added the TR-8A BLACK SUN alt frame, by Professor Ukelele
-Serjeant squads can now benefit from Bolster
-ERA no longer scales off Engineering
-KS-1's Firing Solution Plotted now explicitly works only with ranged weapons.
-KS-2 now no longer gains infinite reloads from Drum Autoloader if it replaces its Heavy Mount.
-Clarified rules for KS-2's core power and Bruchmuller Fire Control.
-KS-3's Melee Suite no longer does impossible bonus Burn.
-Substantially buffed the other two options on the Integrated Ammo Printer.
-Clarified the wording of the KS-5's Core Power.
-Clarified the duration of the KS-6's Distributed Processor Tap, and that it only works on Mechs.
-KS-6's Jam Mechanical invade now scales off spaces moved, not actions taken.
-KS-7 is now substantially less likely to die of fall damage.
-KS-7's Hotswap now interacts clearly with Limited systems.
-Allowed the Maximize Firepower core power to pick and choose applicable mods, and reduced self-heat caused by it to avoid nasty reactor accidents.
-Added a clause to the Wire-Guide System to it can no longer be used to illegally stack AOEs
-Added better compatibility between the Ramjet Rounds and weapons that have special Loading effects.

[acoustic sky]

Just as a heads up

[robust granite]

-Rewoded the TR-8's Core Passive and Active so that you can't use it an excessive number of times per round, and so that it doesn't give you semi-unlimited Limited charges.
-TR-8's Ceramic Microcapacitors now properly activate on the player's turn, instead of every turn.
-Vaporizer Engine now properly activates once per round, instead of every round.
-TR-9's Beam Drones no longer completely break the action economy due to slightly funky wording.
-TR-10's Flywheels trait now properly overrides Bracing action limitations.
-TR-10's Manual Transmission can no longer be used to inexplicably accelerate while falling.
-TR-10's Shift Gears now explicitly breaks the 4-armor limit.
-TR-10's Torque Converters now works as a Reaction, not a Free Action.
-TR-10's NKM Autocannon now works better with mods that grant AOEs.
-TR-10's V8 Interceptor reaction now has clearer movement rules.
-TR-11's Extend Drone Cloud has had its wording clarified slightly.
-TR-11's Spineless Construction now works once per round, instead of once per turn.
-TR-11's Countermeasure Analytics no longer allows you to copy reactions you cannot perform.
-Fixed a longstanding typo in the TR-12's core power
-TR-12: *you*, the player, get to pick what Spatial Anchor changes.
-TR-12's Demented at Sunset reaction now has clearer wording on what effects it can ignore, and shuts down all your AI systems.
-Added the JC-11 BOARDER and YH-12 CONTRADICTOR NPCs.
-Updated the KS-4U's Tactics.
-KS-7-2's HVAP-R is now slightly less inaccurate. Yes I know dumbfire rockets don't go in straight lines. Screw you, it's cool.
-GP-9's Saturation ability now has a heat cost.

[acoustic sky]

There's something about the LCP that causes it to install alongside the 1.6.2 version

Rather than overwriting it

[robust granite]

Just delete the old one

it should work fine

[acoustic sky]

Yeah I did

Just worth pointing out

[robust granite]

I would also like to give a heads-up that @toxic seal contributed the new TR-8A BLACK SUN to this update, and if you have a concept for a Wa.Zal alt-frame it could absolutely end up in a future update!

[buoyant crow]

I updated a big chunk of the code and it was causing issues when doing the update for some reason I didn’t have time to triage. Solution was to delete the pre-2.0 version

Technology is a fuck

Invest in cork

[acoustic sky]

Ah, I see how TR-12 has changed, though we misread it when I played it in a one-shot and were doing it the new way anyway

[buoyant crow]

Pretty significant balance changes to a bunch of them as well as a lot of rules clarification

[prisma orbit]

Aw, I kinda liked the inexplicable in-flight acceleration. :p /hj

[robust granite]

I'm already working on the 2.1 update thanks to the madlads at Interpoint

[buoyant crow]

Should make a full on clown alt for the blue lake

Just saying

[robust granite]

I am open to clown-themed alt suggestions

[rocky plover]

Standard response to WAZAL actors joining the combat theater.

[rocky plover]

Good change to ERA.

[robust granite]

thank you

[toxic seal]

Crying in joy

I'm sorry I'm just hhdbtfjdbfj

[north hatch]

Is there any chance we could also get a text document of the change log for downloading w the lcp?

[acoustic sky]

It's on the downloads page

[robust granite]

It is indeed

[robust granite]

Art for the Black Sun will be in the 2.1 update

if and when I get it done

But thanks for contributing!

[north hatch]

How did i miss it???

Wild

[robust granite]

Miss what? I posted the update like a half-hour ago

[twilit stratus]

Incredibly Squam

[scenic river]

@robust granite not sure if I'm misunderstanding a joke or if it has been reported already, but the NPC pdf has this.

[prisma orbit]

It does seem to be a joke IMO, considering the weapon also being a "code line"

[buoyant crow]

Weird that wasn’t there

[north hatch]

i already went and downloaded the update, from wording i thought the text file was on the downloads page, and was saying "how did i miss the text file"

[robust granite]

You're right, that is a weird formatting error

Maybe try switching PDF readers?

[scenic river]

That's from my phone's default reader. I'll check it on PC later.

[north hatch]

I- i think there's a bit going on here

[scenic river]

I'm not getting it if there is. 🤷

[north hatch]

It looks like to me Konigstein sent an edited screenshot of your message and image with the "comment this out" system, removed out

Joking that its a weird formatting error that there's nothing there in the screenshot

[scenic river]

So the bit is that my legitimate confusion and trying to be helpful is made fun of. Cool I guess.

[buoyant crow]

[breaking kayfabe: ||The bit is that contradictor’s traits and abilities are full of dumb funny programming errors that repeatedly broke Compcon during the coding of the lcp]||

||[we are deeply committed to a joke about software development shenanigans]||

[robust granite]

||what he said||

[prisma orbit]

My wretched child.

[ LICENSES ]
  WAZAL TR-8 BLACK AMBASSADOR 3, HA Iskander 1, HA Barbarossa 1, HA Tokugawa 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Integrated Ammo Feeds, EXPLOSIVE REACTIVE ARMOUR
[ TALENTS ]
  Engineer 3, Grease Monkey 3, Walking Armory 2, Vanguard 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:4
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:18 ARMOR:1
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:8 REPAIR:6
  TECH ATK:-1 LIMITED:+4
  SPD:6 EVA:10 EDEF:8 SENSE:6 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  Integrated: Prototype Weapon III
  AUX/AUX MOUNT: SUPERHEAVY WEAPON BRACING
  MAIN MOUNT: SZABLA ELECTROLASER
  HEAVY MOUNT: FLAMMENSHWERT ARC DISCHARGER
[ SYSTEMS ]
  VAPORIZER ENGINE, COLLAPSIBLE MAGAZINE, CERAMIC MICROCAPACITOR, CERAMIC MICROCAPACITOR, External Batteries, “Roller” Directed Payload Charges x7```

((The iskander is here purely to drop in a Stub cannon (probably just one) when the Arc Discharger goes poof

[sick prism]

out of town 😔

no wazal 2.0 for the #5 wazal reader today

[robust granite]

Why roller charges specifically?

[prisma orbit]

Tbh, They were just an easily accessed 1 ll grenade system, that also deal decent damage

I could grab grounding charges, but that would eat into my SP budget more IIRC

Wait nvm I already have access to GCharges

But yeah, Roller charges are a 1ll HA license grenade that costs 2 SP, and that is all that went into selecting them.

I could also drop Exbatt and go 2 LL's into genghis for havocs.

[prisma orbit]

Hey, what is Mag Arc Plating really for?

I mean it seems like it is really good for indigo dream :p

Also! Torque converters seems weird.
They say you ram as a reaction, and then can "repeat as many times as you roll 5 or 6"

But you only have one reaction per turn.

Aaaaand Personally I'd change "Black Sun" to "Black Star" or something along those lines.

I might just be weird about it but yk. Shwarze Sonne and all that.

[prisma orbit]

I am so sad that Black amby's passive specifies enemy attack.

[robust granite]

Reducing self-damage, terrain damage, or reducing the impact of taking overwatch on your turn, among other things

In an earlier, less playtested version of Wa.Zal it was basically just "SP for damage reduction" and now it is not

[robust granite]

I had envisioned that as all being part of the same Reaction

[prisma orbit]

Nevermind I read it further and it would have not worked anyways.

(Unless a thing could still function if it was triggered, and destroyed as part of the same action)

[prisma orbit]

I do feel like it is a very enticing system to stack for access to over-shield ngl.

[robust granite]

Exactly! On a mech that destroys systems, you want systems you are incentivized to destroy

[robust granite]

How so?

[prisma orbit]

I forgot the passive specifies enemy attacks, and thought I could shoot myself with a blast limited (engineer weapon)
This would trigger Vapor-Engine, and at the same time I could reaction-break Vapor engine, to essentially boost twice, but the longer I looked at it the more I realised it simply doesn't work on multiple evels.

Firstly, both the passive and the Vaporiser "break" take a reaction... (which generally doesn't feel good to me, since you can't activate that off of Selective overload anyways, sad.)

Secondly the Vaporiser activates after the action resolves, so one could argue one can no-longer benefit from its "passive" effect, as it is destroyed.

And lastly, you cannot Selective overload your own attack.

So... there is a lot in the way of linitations that had slipped my mind.

Thanks for the answers!
Especially the one for indigo, since I was worried I was missing something.

[robust granite]

Ahhhh, no worries!

[gaunt spruce]

@robust granite just letting you know Top attack targeting has the rules text for wire guide system

[robust granite]

Waaaaaaaaah?!?!?

@buoyant crow Waaaaaaaaah?!?!?!

[buoyant crow]

Quoi

Je vais passer un clin d’oueil à ça ouais

[buoyant crow]

Tabernaque

[robust granite]

AAAAAAAH

[twilit stratus]

frehcnh

[drifting ridge]

hey we're going through the lcp rn and noticed a pretty big error

wait nvm tank pointed out the exact same thing we spotted as well

to fixing it soon 🥂

[buoyant crow]

ca viens, ca viens

C'est action de graçe içi on est en repos

[robust granite]

difficle de faire du coding quand on est bourré de dinde style maison

Aaaaand fixed

@gaunt spruce @drifting ridge aaaaaand fixed.

[drifting ridge]

Stellar, thanks

[gaunt spruce]

Thanks

[lavish depot]

No hablo frances, solo hablo espanol (y inglès y alemán)

[robust granite]

The three "f"s in Waffenfabrik all stand for Francais

[buoyant crow]

Puedes hablar en espagnol tambien

Un pocissimo

[lavish depot]

Solo he aprendido espanol desde julio. Duolingo ha secuestrado mi familia

[mild topaz]

Necesito practicar mi español. Y. Us.... Duolingo mas. ¿Cual forma de verbo uso aqui? ¿El futuro? Oh no. Olvido como cambiar verbos en el preterito, el imperfecto, y en el futuro.

[lavish depot]

Ich mag deine lustigen Worte, magischer Mann

[mild topaz]

I keep calling purple flytrap orange worm

Trying to practice drawing using purple flytrap because his visual design I have borrowed for a Nobilis Imperator

Specifically a member of a homebrew type

[vague prism]

people really don't like the idea of the nonsense Indigo Dream does (its been shot down as a mech to field in a few games)

[robust granite]

Who are these people?

Tell them to-
to-

to-

[vague prism]

they see the bracing changes and 16 base edef and go "nah"

[robust granite]

send me detailed feedback

[vague prism]

bc I would imagine the pilot of one would just have this rolling at all times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LwcvjNJTuM

[robust granite]

(and then tell them it's been playtested to heck and back by Interpoint and their conclusion was that it was actually slightly underpowered)

[vague prism]

though part of the issue is trying to pick it in a LL2 game, which is where the edef stat comes into play

wait really?

[robust granite]

yes, really

[vague prism]

I wonder how it underperformed

[rocky plover]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress-2-tf2-meet-the-heavy-heavy-outsmart-bullet-gif-3422064966282193005

[robust granite]

easy 2 shoot

[vague prism]

Oh I just realized it only has 6 evasion heck

[mild topaz]

Odd question. Which of the four mech skills would you Purple Flytrap vibes the most with?

Not necessarily the best stat for them. But the one that feels right

[robust granite]

Agility, since you need to be up close and extra Evasion goes a long way, I think

[prisma orbit]

I don't really understand the molotov thrower from PF

What's it's deal

[ivory blade]

It's an auxiliary weapon that deals burn

[prisma orbit]

... Ok I somehow always were under the misconception that it's a main that explains why It looked underpowered to me.

[lavish depot]

Slightly related,

[Indecipherable crowd noises]
“Incendiary ammunition… FOR EVERYONE!”
[Hysterical cheering, gunfire]
is still one of my favorite flavortexts from Wazal

[sick prism]

No war crime jokes

[ivory blade]

Sorry

[ivory blade]

I made a silly alt frame for the Brown Goose inspired by the Engineer NPC. I make no promises as to how balanced it is, but it was fun to make. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pp2fvOxiN8LylCtyylxSR5v-TaEVeC9wsX5qGO92fZo/edit?tab=t.0

[robust granite]

That's a lot of fun!

It's missing a good Wa.Zal Downside trait tho

[ivory blade]

Oh, true

Then again, the Brown Goose doesn't really have a downside trait either

[robust granite]

Myeah

I do like it a lot, though

[ivory blade]

Yay!

[robust granite]

...wanna put it in a future patch?

[ivory blade]

Hell yes

(I guess Main/Aux only is the downside trait for the Geese)

It is absolutely not playtested though

[robust granite]

A Facebook post from 2015 has reminded me that "Vermilion Duet" is a cool name for something that just happens to fit the Wa.Zal naming scheme.

Just gonna put that out there.

[mild topaz]

Hmm. The. Purple Flytrap as god thing. If he has indomitable agility it is funny mental image

[ivory blade]

@robust granite Based on feedback from the homebrew channel, how does this look?

Is the drawback Wa.Zal enough?

[robust granite]

ooooh

Overstuffed Compartments is great!

[ivory blade]

Perfect

Catch me taking Grey Goose 2, Green Praise 1, Drone Commander 1 and vomitting out an army of unkillable 4 armor 10hp drones with blast resistance

Genuinely tempted to make the GOSLINGs 1hp default because of that

[robust granite]

Making them very fragile would incentivize keeping them under the Goose's protection

and to a degree mitigate the infinite drone printing problem

[ivory blade]

...yeah, I think I'll do that

Mmmm

Okay, they're 1hp default now

Which in practice means that they'll be 6hp for anybody who's actually running the frame

...is there even a way to turn off the Schurzen once activated?

It doesn't have a stated duration

[robust granite]

Protocols can be deactivated as a Free Action usually, unless stated otherwise

[near dew]

uh. i don't think the core book says that?

the closest is the tag saying "another action may be needed to deactivate", but that's a may

[inner shard]

this is what i found in core book

[toxic seal]

Aye protocols are flexible and simultaneously inflexible at the same time

Which reminds me I need to work on that indigo dream alt

uuuurrrrgh

Anyway

I think Wa-Zal will be the biggest community alt frame project ngl

Or just community frame project

Because I'm sure someone might just end up making a full on license (def not me, prommy)

Also totally not biased because this is my favorite manufacturer because of how zany it is

But uh

Teaser of the Indigo Blazer:

A hotcore. A behemoth that forces a radioactive isotope to go prompt critical in small bursts. Not enough to detonate, but enough to push the boundaries of what a reactor can do. Typically overlooked due to occupational hazards and sheer size, hotcores are a beast, a relic of their time, considered obsolete in comparison to their comparatively safer, and simpler counterpart. 

But if you want power... Open the throttle. Go critical. And raise irradiated hell.```

[robust granite]

You're planning another one, huh?

The next update is likely gonna include @crystal epoch's TR-10 alt the NAVY PROJECTION, so you should probably compare notes

[toxic seal]

Oooooo I'll take a look

[crystal epoch]

yeah! should I put a link to what I have here or should we take this to DMs?

[robust granite]

Up to you, really!

[crystal epoch]

I'll take it to DMs if @toxic seal's willing, keep the folks thinking on what it's gonna be lol

[toxic seal]

idrc

[plush perch]

heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyo! quick qestion :D

the purple flytrap seems SUPER cool, and I had a quick question about it

what type of weapon is the torpedo thingy from the weapon printer?

also, can the squad from the serjent talent use it?

[robust granite]

The Spar Torpedo is a CQB

And as for the second question

...hmmm

@plush perch let me ponder this

[plush perch]

im cookin a build with it, 2 purple flytrap 1 black sun

COLLAPSIBLE MAGAZINE seems super good for this

(he name is Potion Seller and it has a bigass printer on its back to make a metric fuckton of ammo)

[robust granite]

Zalewski's potions are too strong for you, Serjeant

Your Squad would be utterly destroyed

You need someone to sell you GMS potions

[plush perch]

oh thats a no i assume lol

so maybe set it to "allied mech characters"

HOWEVER its whole thing is mobs

this is a core bonus in the license

for a mob

rowdy boys

i say let it work :>

[robust granite]

No I was just doing a potion seller bit, honest

[robust granite]

@plush perch All right, I just double-checked my wording, and yes allied Squads can use Spar Torpedoes

any allied character can

theoretically allied Pilots could, if you wanted to

[ivory blade]

Huh! That's neat

That means if you have an objective to escort a VIP they can use it too

[plush perch]

Y E S S S S

[buoyant crow]

“Here’s your rocket tube Mr Prime Minister”

[plush perch]

can i offer you a toku torch gun in these trying times

[buoyant crow]

giving politicians toku torch guns is how you end up with the Purview knocking at your door

This is why you invest in Wa.Zal

They'll lift-and-shift your telecoms networks and toss in the mechs as added value

[plush perch]

im currently fuckin adoring the black ambassador license

The Funny +8 Heat daisy cutter

[robust granite]

Black Ambassador, much to my surprise, is the clear Wa.Zal standout

I don't play favorites

...but Pink Disk is my favorite

[ivory blade]

(The Pink Disk is also one of our favourites)

There's just something about overwhelming slightly janky firepower

[plush perch]

i mixed terk with wafflebrick and put the pink disk mortar on subutai, blast 4 shit

im still in love with purple flytrap

the uhh, violet dream?

the car one

that shit funny

[robust granite]

Indigo Dream baybee

truckmech

[ivory blade]

(red yoke my beloved)

"Yeah I'm a hacking mech"

Microwaves your legs

[robust granite]

https://tenor.com/view/microwave-gif-18041779

VRMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[ivory blade]

Red Yoke pilots using their mechs comms array to reheat field rations, 5012u, colorised

[summer edge]

God can't remember the name for the life of me but I love the walking sandblaster lol.

[robust granite]

Absolutely an important bit of out-of-combat lore for the Red Yoke

you can and should be using it to reheat your field rations

[robust granite]

v-v-v-violet courage!

(Darude Sandmech)

[summer edge]

Thank you! But God it's funny. " Oh hey is that soft cover you're in? SUFFER!!!!" it's great.

Also God the pink disk is just jank as hell and I love it. Also whoever stuffed its hardware onto a Subatai you are INSANE. And I applaud you.

[ivory blade]

The fact that the pink disk is just a fuckin brown goose with a ridiculous fucking spinning drum autoloader in it is absolutely hilarious

And also one of my inspirations for the grey goose

[upbeat belfry]

I'm looking for ward to takin out. The red yoke. Just absolutely nuking people like microwaved burritos, and flooding the airwaves with j-rock

[north hatch]

I know my partner has come back to pink dish a few times

Red yoke is my favorite

[robust granite]

Someday I'll make a KS-2 alt that's just "autoloading AA gun with legs"

the waffentrager to the KS-2's Stug, if that makes sense

[ivory blade]

Taking the Red Yoke along with Pink Disk 2 to optimise Lock-On potential

[north hatch]

Taking Red Yoke with Kobold to make a mech called "Everything but the Kitchen Sink"(lovingly called Sink) and its cooking everyone

[plush perch]

me when the rando we picked up for our sitrep starts airdropping cradle era brainrot (my neurolink is weakening because my mech doesnt wanna put up with this shit)

[ivory blade]

L + ratio + rotating you in front of my macrowave (KS-6 Red Yoke)

[ivory blade]

@robust granite https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pp2fvOxiN8LylCtyylxSR5v-TaEVeC9wsX5qGO92fZo/edit?tab=t.0 I touched up some of the wording on the Grey Goose and made an LCP for it

[robust granite]

Erry noice

[ivory blade]

👍

[twilit stratus]

gosling???????????

https://tenor.com/view/bladerunner2049-ryan-gosling-gif-24048514

[ivory blade]

Do you think the Ryan Gosling printer is utopian pillars compliant?

[buoyant crow]

Ryan Gosling is not pillars compliant, printer or not

[lavish depot]

It's not necessarily my favorite but it's the only Wazal mech so far I have used in a meme, so there's that

[robust granite]

@lavish depot please keep memeing Wa.Zal

Every time someone posts a meme about it I get a noticeable uptick in hits on my Itch, lol

[sick prism]

TRUE

marketing

[robust granite]

it is good

[lavish depot]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-pratt-rubbing-hands-smile-happy-plan-mischief-gif-11789692

[harsh bramble]

Hi! I recently stumbled across the Waveguide Nexus in #mech-hangar , and it seemed very similar to Burst Launcher while also being a lot more potent as a control tool in comparison. That, and the fact that the heat gain is optional and you may attack twice with it feels a bit much.

Now I haven’t looked at Waffenfabric thoroughly (but it is on my list now), so take my opinion with a pinch of salt, but I was curious about if this was an issue that cropped up in playtesting the license that includes the Waveguide Nexus, and am curious if there’s a balancing mechanism I did not notice that balances it out.

[sick prism]

can you post the Waveguide real quick?

[harsh bramble]

Sure, here it is

[sick prism]

and also what is the burst launcher in this instance?

[harsh bramble]

Burst Launcher is the Dusk Wing’s LL2 weapon

[sick prism]

mh

[harsh bramble]

Ah. I’ll just screenshot it

[sick prism]

No worries, found it

[harsh bramble]

Oops, posted at the same time lol

[sick prism]

But yeah it's the range and Accurate the Burst Launcher gets

[harsh bramble]

Waveguide is seeking, smart, can attack twice, is an AOE, and only needs to hit rather than crit in order to impair. However it does require the target to fail a save, which is a component I didn’t consider. I suppose that balances things out. Thanks!

[sick prism]

smart's a sidegrade and we die on this hill

that said, yeah, crit w/ accurate and on hit save seems fairly equivalent

and they scale pretty evenly too which is nice

[plush perch]

i gotchu maybe

i have dubious meme experience with google drawings hehe

[plush perch]

oh howdy you :D

i think it might be balanced by the fact that it lacks built in accuracy, and its impair is save based

now comparing that to concussion missiles which are probably a bit more similar, yeah its stronk

[sick prism]

Well then you kinda just have the issue of concussion missiles being weak next to the burst launcher, which is a different problem.

[robust granite]

Wa.Zal confirmed for SO BALANCED it makes core content look less balanced by comparison

CAMPEÃO DO MUNDO

[ivory blade]

Glorious

[lavish depot]

I think a friend of mine always wanted to put some on the Viceroy but yeah, everytime I see them I am like, hm, this is the same mount I could put a big fucking gattling gun on instead

[plush perch]

well you could put an average sized gatling gun on it

or half a big fucking gaggling gun

[sick prism]

weapons pay some pretty steep prices for Knockback

the Concussion Missiles are just an example of that

[lavish depot]

that's why everyone dips for Supermassive

[robust granite]

A pancake and a brick?

[ivory blade]

Waffle and a brick

Oh

Waffle(fa)brick

[robust granite]

OOOOOH

Heh

[buoyant crow]

Wafflefabrick house…

[plush perch]

i unironically refer to it as waffle fabric

[robust granite]

hehehehehheeh

well played

I'm an asthmatic, and I approve this message

[lavish depot]

same here, and I need to refill my medication xD

[lavish depot]

I blame my comment section for that one, I am sorry

[plush perch]

baymax...

[robust granite]

I need to set the record straight

I have never seen Big Hero Six

The Blue Lake is NOT Baymax

The Blue Lake is the BEAM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigelow_Expandable_Activity_Module

[past cedar]

Couple things on the Jade Clipper's core power and Klatte Device:

1. Does "Succeeds on a Reaction" in Extend Drone Cloud mean makes a Reaction, or is it intended to cover a successful attack/failed enemy save/successful contest triggered by the Reaction
2. If you don't move to be adjacent with a target of the Klatte Device, the grapple just immediately ends, right? I assume that's a bit of intentional jank to synergize with Concussion Hydraulics?

[drifting ridge]

ITS NOT?

[robust granite]

For the former, should read "makes a Reaction"- that's a change that is already in the patch notes for Wa.Zal 2.1

For the latter, no, the grapple doesn't immediately end because it never started- you may only declare the free grapple after moving adjacent

[robust granite]

Nope.

[sick prism]

okay but like

you should watch BH6

[paper saffron]

It is wild to me that I’ve never heard of BEAM. Like, it’s up there right now, part of the ISS is a very fancy balloon. Not only did it work, it worked well.

[prisma orbit]

WOAG

[past cedar]

It reads a bit ambiguously at the moment because the movement is described second and separately optional, so it seems like you could resolve the grapple and then choose to move or not, which I know isn't what you mean. Not quite sure how to re-word that without it being a bit clunky though.

Maybe

On Hit: Once per turn, you may take 1 Heat to immediately move adjacent to and Grapple the first target you hit with this attack as a Free Action, ignoring Engagement and Reactions.

[robust granite]

It's getting a rework in the next patch!

[plush perch]

https://tenor.com/view/baymax-big-hero6-poke-belly-fat-gif-4384285

its fuckin baymax

[robust granite]

Narugaa's version of it is Baymax

the original was a BEAM

[dim fern]

so are people making Alt Frames of WalZal mechs?

I wasn't aware that was a thing people could do

[buoyant crow]

Yes and if you do they might get pulled into the main LCP as well

[robust granite]

Yes, I'm accepting submissions for Wa.Zal alt frames for future patches

As far as I'm concerned the mainline manufacturer is done and feature-complete beyond balance stuff, but people seem pretty keen to make alt-frames and I am more than happy to indulge them

The latest update has the TR-8A BLACK SUN, alt for the BLACK AMBASSADOR, and subsequent updates will get the TR-10S NAVY PROJECTION for the Indigo Dream and eventually, prrrrobably @ivory blade's KS-1S GREY GOOSE

Do I reserve the right to turn alt-frames down? Yes. If your alt-frame is neat, well thought-out and fits the manufacturer, will I include it? Probably.

(it also forces me to do more art)

[ivory blade]

Woooo

[dim fern]

that's super cool!

[north hatch]

yea i still gotta figure out the Golden Fleece, my lore tie in yoke alt

"KS-6Js Golden Fleece"

[dim fern]

ah, I started tinkering with a Yoke Alt as well

its such a fascinating frame to work with

[plush perch]

p a r d o n?

oh i have some WORK to do

[plush perch]

hey @robust granite whats the naming theme for the wafflefabric mechs

color and wuh

i assume they reference something, like yellow hypothesis being purely experimental, brown goose being protective of little dudes, indigo dream is a car thing

violet courage looks kinda likea lion

[robust granite]

They reference me hitting "go" on a random word selector until I found a combo that sounded cool

The colors were inspired by, but do not follow, British Rainbow Codes
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Code#:~:text=The Rainbow Codes were a,functions distributed among the forces.

[plush perch]

ok so i currently have uhh

Saffron Wizard: Yellow Hypothesis alt, more focused on the magical side of it

Carmine Shepherd: Green somethin alt i forgot the name but this fella is more built around its dronrs

Pink Cargo: Orange Worm alt, lets you give your equipped mods to allies when they attack, and is overall more built around support

[plush perch]

@robust granite

Transmutation Projectors
1/Scene, when you hit a character with an attack, you create a Cauldron Rift in a Blast 2 centered on the target. The rift’s form is based on the damage type of the attack. If the weapon has multiple damage types, choose one. The listed effects trigger at the start of a characters turn, or the first time they enter it in a round. If the character succeeds a save of the type listed in the effect, they take half heat/damage/burn, and don't suffer the secondary effect.

Kinetic: The character takes 4 kinetic damage and becomes Shredded on a failed Hull save.
Explosive: The character takes 4 explosive damage and is knocked Prone on a failed Agility save.
Energy: The character takes 4 energy damage and is Impaired on a failed Engineering save.
Burn: The character takes 2 burn and becomes Slowed on a failed Engineering save.
Heat: The character takes 2 heat and must move involuntarily 3 spaces in a direction of your choice on a failed Systems save.

The Cauldron Rift lasts until the end of the scene. If an effect that deals damage would draw line of sight through or target a space that is occupied by the rift, you may change either the effects damage type match the rift’s, or change the rift to match one damage type of the effect.

how does this look for a core passive on the new Saffron Philosopher (yellow hypothesis alt)

[robust granite]

mite b cool? I'm curious to see how one would fluff Wa.Zal making a wizard

[plush perch]

:)

specially designed "Arcane" reconfiguration reactor

this is for the thought expwriment, super expensive end

theming is just because the creator is a massive nerd

totally not cuz i want to see a wizard mech in your sickass art style...

the carmine shepard tho, the green praise alt, i think itll be neat

im thinking on it being a defender built around fortifying and locking down areas using drones like movine barricades

[buoyant crow]

Someone higher up thought that they needed a wizard - as in a walkthrough wizard - to explain how the YH worked, and someone else took that literally

[robust granite]

pfff

hehehe

[buoyant crow]

Corporate miscommunication makes the budgets bloat

[plush perch]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y95irqx1vodpbWO46KisfKZXnLl5OX2H2ia-sNBAEoM/edit?usp=sharing

heres waht i got so far for saffron philosopher

[lavish depot]

Magiban (made by Grima Black)

[robust granite]

aight, fuck it, it'll go in a future update
you sold me with that third Trait

frame's got strong "they asked me if I have a degree in theoretical physics, so I told them I have a theoretical degree in physics" vibes

[plush perch]

magic is just science we dont understand yet

i need a core active tho

[robust granite]

yes you do

[plush perch]

any ideas

im considering just saying "fuck it, more cauldron rifts"

make it 1/round instead of 1/scene, but only 3 at a time

[buoyant crow]

Waffle Brick has me thinking of a KS-3 Alternative that is about brick throwing and potentially frog-being

[robust granite]

does it have a long and complex backstory about rival construction firms

[buoyant crow]

Of course

[plush perch]

hey @robust granite question with wire guide

the weapon mod

one:

if the weapon has inaccurate then does accurate replace it?

or do they cancel?

[robust granite]

I would say they cancel

[sick prism]

presumably they just coexist

and yeah

[plush perch]

also does this mean you can basically attack everyone within range if no characters are equidistant from you?

thats horrifying

wait does the second attack require the weapon to be reloaded?

can i not do this with a howitzer or somethin

[robust granite]

No, not at all. You get one attack and one reroll against a more distant target if the first attack fails. No valid second target, no reroll.

And no, the whole reroll is treated as one continuous attack action since you're just redirecting the projectile, so no need to reload

also vroom

[plush perch]

vrommmm

[plush perch]

interesting

[plush perch]

so the weapon im throwing this on has range 30 and now has seeking

it makes me take 6 heat, so my current idea is the following

[robust granite]

Are you mixing homebrew

this sounds like you're mixing homebrew

[plush perch]

yes, very much not a good idea hehe

the weapon itself is straightforeward

we have like, 5 permitted LCPs in a home game, waffle is one of em

orange worm is gonna be very funny to use

but to keep it first party, lets say i put this on an anti material rifle

first: it already has accurate so it doesnt stack right?

second: i missed my first target 5 spaces away, i now get to reroll against someone else thats 6 or more spaces away by taking 1 heat right?

third: can i do it again

flying a mortar shell like a kite seems funny

[twilit stratus]

giant robot car.........

[robust granite]

https://tenor.com/view/principal-skinner-yes-seymour-skinner-the-simpsons-enthusiastic-yes-gif-15806751

[upbeat belfry]

Grey Goose alternate frame with subaltern bird drones inside it

Crimson Turkey

Aka

"Turducken"

[robust granite]

write it up and make it good

[granite island]

I'm thinking about the Firing Ports with Madrigal armor and weapons.

[robust granite]

@granite island gonna copy-paste a comment I made on Interpoint here.