#Field Guide To Liminal Space

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zenith niche
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Kind of fits thematically, but the rest of the Lust license isn’t helping too much

lapis sphinx
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Let he who has never taken 3 LLs for a single system dip cast the first stone.

karmic jewel
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my first character was an Everest with 3 LLs in Raleigh and I only used the hammer

jovial hare
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Amazing

vapid fossil
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Paracausal my beloved

karmic jewel
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you know what NPC this is lmao

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covert iron
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"Who the hell is JCH?"

karmic jewel
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9cc_damage_explosive4cc_damage_burn

naive iris
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big fan of the IF logo

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it just looks cool next to the others

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distinct but not too busy

rustic root
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oh shit IF has a logo?

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I didn't even realize

fading jewel
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Well yeah, it's in Comp/Con

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Next to all their thingies

rustic root
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I don't actually have the IF LCP

fading jewel
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Oh, that makes sense then

naive iris
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yeah heres the blown up version

fading jewel
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Kinda looks like the chambers of a revolver

rustic root
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as a side note, since it's come up, are there any intents to make the LimSpace manufacturer logos (or IF's logo) colored, now that the c/c homebrew squad has figured out how to make them accept color?

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that's really cool

fading jewel
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Which is why I sometimes think that Mistletoe is IF's premier frame

rustic root
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I wish I could make manufacturer logos that were all neat like that, but I still haven't figured out how to do curvy lines in inkscape lol

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at least not in a consistent way

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so I'm stuck with circles and even geometries

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(triangles + circles can still do pretty well, if you look at the MOI logo)

fading jewel
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Just make your logo one solid shape

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In the grimdarkness of the future, there is only oversimplified logos

rustic root
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but yeah we can now make manufacturer logos take the manufacturer color like the core 4, instead of just being locked to white

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figured it's worth asking if that'll be added to the limspace LCP at any point :V

barren pendant
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It's based on this

fading jewel
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Ah I see

barren pendant
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The Battersea Shield, an ancient celtic shield.

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But a very stylized one. XD

naive iris
# 
[ LICENSES ]
  IF KUDZU 2, IPS-N Vlad 2, IF ROWAN 1, IF POPPY 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Iron Crown, Overpower Caliber
[ TALENTS ]
  Vanguard 3, Demolitionist 3, Skirmisher 2, Duelist 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:2 AGI:2 SYS:0 ENGI:4
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:17 ARMOR:0
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:11 REPAIR:7
  TECH ATK:0 LIMITED:+2
  SPD:5 EVA:10 EDEF:8 SENSE:10 SAVE:14
[ WEAPONS ]
  Integrated: Nanotoxin Injector
  FLEX MOUNT: Impaler Nailgun // Overpower Caliber
  MAIN MOUNT: Electrobaton
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Immunization x5, Personalizations, "Arrowstorm" Variable Charges x5, Pattern-B HEX Charges x5, Patch Kit, Manipulators```
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built this for a playtest

barren pendant
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Oooh

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I look foward to hearing how that ends up going.

naive iris
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mech name is Blatant Hippocracy

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because of the grenades

barren pendant
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(The Kudzu is one of the least tested IF mechs, so I'd love to hear how it turns out)

naive iris
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I'm not sure if Nailgun and Electrobaton are both needed

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but I really want to get use out of the burst 3 aura lol

wide pier
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I feel like they synergize tbh

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Hit them with nailgun and then knock them prone, bam

naive iris
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if I had more LLs I'd probably swing into Lily 1 for sonic grenades, or Kudzu 3 to Doctor's Orders people onto mines

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topaz shoal
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The nailgun overdelivers in a lot of aspects so it's tough yeah.

Vanguard synergy, Good damage, and Immobilize on hit?

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It's perfect

naive iris
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maybe that will be something the feedback finds out!

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could be the baton wants another rider, change the on-hit or more threat or something idk

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I did swap Crown to Fragarach's Warding

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going to see if I can't cheese structure in the first place

topaz shoal
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Both nail and bat generate heat, but in the case of Nailgun it has a 1d6+1 damage profile and can fire from 5 spaces away. It's hard to beat that.

naive iris
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Winding Woods line is the same type of line as the targetting kinds, right - you can't curve it?

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naive iris
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ok funniest rules question that might be relevant:

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wave sweeper removes and then returns to the battlefield

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Kudzu's care triggers when it enters the battlefield

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I dont think this synergy is intended but,

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very funny if possible

karmic jewel
barren pendant
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...

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wide pier
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excellent

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(full repair/rest instead, iki!)

barren pendant
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I'll have to do a quick tinkering with the wording. XD

karmic jewel
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maybe just
at the start of the scene

barren pendant
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Yeah

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karmic jewel
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worlds slowest dogfight (Scilla vs Archon)

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snrk

karmic jewel
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they look like two mating birds

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the Scilla used its vibrant plumage to attract a partner

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barren pendant
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I'll have to adjust the wording for the Kudzu 😛

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# naive iris

Cood catch btw. While some IF things are inspired by MTG, this is not one of them 😛

graceful kayak
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orb

little wadi
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Has anyone tried impact lance Nimue ?

barren pendant
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It's pretty scary but runs into 'if you're getting a lot of use out of it, that heat racks up fast' 😛

little wadi
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Yeah and when you as expansion module

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Oh my

graceful kayak
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Let's ad Lucifer nhp into that!

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What is overheating

little wadi
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Hahaha

fading jewel
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Simply take Fail-Forward and Jackal Targeting

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Turn that Stress into another Stress

violet island
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my only ever meltdown was preceded by "I'll definitely overheat once, but probability says I won't twice." Immediately then overheated twice into a meltdown

lapis sphinx
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Do GMS Manipulators on the Rasputin override the last two items of Rasputin's "No Manipulators" trait?

violet island
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pray for my ptolemy player

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he's changing to a morgana

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because i guess he's a sucker for the punishment

topaz shoal
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God, I want to use the Freyja class nhp. in my mistletoe build but I'm not super sold on it. The repair for half hp isn't particularly a worthwhile trade to me. Kind of like the lanc's latch drone.

Does anyone share the same view or am I just misguided and dumb?

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The repair to half HP was kinda kept low because the other effects are basicly Free Bonus.

topaz shoal
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Firstly I just wanna say I love all of the ironleaf licenses and you really did an amazing job on them. Hell, my three next builds are all ironleaves.

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Has there been any thoughts about it giving overshields instead of repairing?

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topaz shoal
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I completely understand

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It is a reaction on the pc turn after all, and reactions come a dime a dozen.

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Yeah. So while it MIGHT get tinkered with...I'm trying to be a bit careful there.

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Still, I do listen to feedback.

topaz shoal
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For what it's worth, the 3sp cost is pretty big, though I know it's part for the course with most Ai systems.

I do think some amount of overshields would make it much more appealing, keep the heat and everything. Your ally already has to close the distance. Really incentivize your melee friend to keep charging in. Like a warrior charging into battle in old Norse.

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I do always feel a bit awkward about the Mistletoe's theming, as it's the least Celtic of the various IF mechs/very much tied to Norse instead. But fuck it, none of the corps 100% keep to their theming.

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And I'm a sucker for the name.

topaz shoal
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Oh I'm an absolute sucker for Norse.

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So it was an immediate hit for me.

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Makes me wish there was a Norse themed corp.

barren pendant
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That's fair. It's like the one thing I'm not super a fan of with my handling of the theming but I also like the mech a lot/don't want to replace it.

mossy lotus
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You just need to make a Norse themed manufacturer now, and move it over.

topaz shoal
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I'd pay money for it, I swear

barren pendant
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I'm trying not to do too many things at once/I'm too busy worrying that the IF setting fluff is boring as it's much harder to get feedback on than rules. XD

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Iki writing Ironleaf Foundry

graceful kayak
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that's one hell of an insult.

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on that last paragraph

wide pier
barren pendant
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You can be a Tanky Hacker or a Nuke Hacker but not both at the same 😛

wide pier
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Exactly!

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God, I love her so much

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Can do damage, support, and control all with the same character very easily

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while being somewhat tanky

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You're just slow and you better kill them if you do deal damage

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Like everyone obviously wants to try the Hack Toku way of playing it but I did want it to be a bit of a choice rather than 'ALWAYS EXPOSED, LETS DO THIS'.

wide pier
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(also, 2222 HASE for Morgana chefkiss )

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If that makes sense?

wide pier
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Yeah, and it also doesn't have a heavy

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As I find the Toku's in a bit of a state where 'If you're not exposed, you're kinda not a happy mech'. So there's very little reason beyond 'I can't yet attack' to not be exposed as a Toku.

wide pier
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Yeah, the morgana technically gets less for being exposed

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but isn't forced to be

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and because of the slower speed and way tech attacks work, you generally need to actually expose yourself to line of sight to deal damage too

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it learned a lot of lessons from the toku it feels

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I think there's still lessons I could have learned/ways to have improved it.

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But it's like 90% of the way to the Mech I Wanted.

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And you take wins where you can XD

wide pier
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One step at a time, design is hard xD

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Still surprised how little pushback you got on the Blazer SMG being a plainly better shotgun though

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(happily surprised, I might add)

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No one looks at the guns on a hacker mech. The Blazer is imo one of the more pushed weapons in LS but also like...competing with the DSAS.

wide pier
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Yep

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It's just a very nice weapon and I'm not going to say more relating to shotguns than that :p

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Also! The first invade of the morgana; I really like how well it functions as a support tool

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little wadi
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Neurospike morgana makes me laugh

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I’ll stay exposed, we will both die together

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wide pier
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Noooo, my sensors

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It's just then the Chomo came out and it's a very similar core power 😛

wide pier
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Hehe

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They're distinct from each other but not quite so distinct as to not get side-eyes.

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What I'd have done, I'm not sure.

wide pier
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Yeah, lots of options

barren pendant
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I'd have perhaps just gone with the 'Fuck it, Meteors for Everyone' it can do as a core power or something more unique.

wide pier
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Hmm, what about a corrupting the land theme

barren pendant
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Could be cool. The other idea would be a 'I refuse to die' one.

wide pier
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Just thinking of what suits the fantasy to me

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Not dying is not one of them :P

barren pendant
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Hmm...I think if I was going to do it again I'd make it a 'Fuck it, going full D&D wizard on this'

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And make it a 'At the start of each of your turns, get a Nasty Elemental Thing you throw on the battlefield'

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A bolt of lightning, a sphere of flame etc

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With part of the cost being 'while this is active, you can't turn off Vitriol.

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So you've gone from 'I can expose myself' to 'I can't not be exposed'

wide pier
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Hm

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Infect machines, to bio, to the world itself

barren pendant
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But hey, Hindsight is 2020

wide pier
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You're right, we should isolate society from hindsight

barren pendant
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Honestly my big focus right now is the IF fluff and hoping it works out (It's a LOT harder to get fluff feedback than rules/you can't math out fluff) XD

wide pier
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I'm bad at fluff, but I tried!

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...occasionally

violet island
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I gather he'll still be filing the artillery role as morgana

wide pier
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Play as a controller/support and raise the heat a bit before taking turns to expose yourself and go ham. Be careful about positioning and try to break LoS as much as possible.

Saladin is your friend. Charioteer can be nice with hacker 1 especially.

violet island
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or at the least hes planning to play the artillery role as morgana, we'll see how it goes

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its a striker lite list, but it may work out

wide pier
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There's a bunch of neat stuff you can do with morgana, very fun mech

violet island
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ive heard it referred to as OP before in passing, but at T3, with a 3 man party +1 NPC, im pretty comfortable with the party skewing a little stronger; that and to do its crazy shenanigans its gotta put itself at significant risk

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i did learn that my third party stacking shenanigans potentially opens up the game to some cheapo op heat bleed builds, but no one in the party has noticed

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too many choices lol

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chess system + sukukaze thermoregulation effectively bleeds 3 heat a turn passively

wide pier
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There is one thing that's considered OP; ESU core from Suldan. I don't think this is a huge issue power-wise as fast as blasting goes, but it is basically mandatory.

violet island
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ahh yeah see, no one has even noticed it

wide pier
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It's honestly similar to opcal in terms of overall power gained

violet island
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they're all not really mechanically inclined/power chasers. I guess that and they got a lot of choices so easy to miss things

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lol none of them have taken opcal either xD

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not that i havent suggested it mind

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but they're chasing what's interesting to them mostly

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wide pier
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(also, don't let them cross the streams or iki will get sad)

violet island
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they know this tho

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since they also know none of hte supplements were balanced against each other

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its the build wild west out here

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made even more wild westy by their lack of inclination to workshop their builds

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with each other

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at all

wide pier
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alas

violet island
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youd think 9 ll's together and they'd do a little discussin

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but im not hte boss of them

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and they've made it this far

wide pier
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Do the anime arc where the love wolves are forced to combine their powers

violet island
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hahaha

wide pier
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But nah, as long as they're having fun

violet island
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oh btw, my flamel player is going to the charioteer it looks like, she loves the flamel and her build but struggled to keep up with her own planned turns with reactions and triggers and such

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the plan backfired, having a lot to do off turn was meant to keep them paying attention, but instead they just missed all their triggers

wide pier
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Ah yeah, the player which I made the silly carmilla for?

violet island
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yeah! It's not clear yet if she'll go charioteer, but it seems likely as she's been lamenting the parties more static playstyle

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and wants to move a bit

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means shes doing less drone stuff tho

wide pier
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Charioteer does move a bit

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Charioteer has great drone synergy options

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particularly a melee variant

violet island
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i think carmilla, charioteer, anansi, houdini and the chimera are all possible options on her list rn

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oh? i hadn't realized

wide pier
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Charioteer with some Sabreur LLs and DC2 can do a lot of harm

violet island
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oh youre right, with the shield array

wide pier
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6002 Shield drone, and 2 LLs left for other drones

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Opcal for damage

violet island
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i did build her a messy hunter/gladiator/blade dancer build using the sabreur's seeker glaive; wasnt polished up but seemd like a fun hyper mobile playstile

wide pier
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Spotter 3 if made to support other melee allies

violet island
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i think currently her wip build is a charioteer with points in dusk wing, kallarani, mourning cloak

wide pier
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That seems good at a glance. Kallarani I'm unsure what a charioteer is getting out of it, though

violet island
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she likes the boarding pistol

wide pier
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Oh

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mostly

wide pier
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oh

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i think she may also look into using the ll3 drone from it, or the scavenger nexus for supporty stuff, but hasn't done so yet with what she's told me

wide pier
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the boarding pistol is the one item in its license that I don't like, personally. I've never found a use for it

violet island
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she's also gone into gobbo for autopod stuff

wide pier
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Everything else I love

violet island
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lol thats fair

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i like it a lot, but im an absolute sucker for multi mode stuff

wide pier
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I am too, but it doesn't work if there's no real reason to build around either version or its combo

violet island
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yeah tbh i havent looked into what id do with it a lot

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i just looked at it and went

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hey thats cool

wide pier
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I did too, until I tried to make it work

violet island
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xD

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ill update yall on whatever they end up with

wide pier
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Awesome

violet island
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both the morgana and the maybeiateer

wide pier
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Pfsh xD

violet island
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the saladin player is the most build confident of the party

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the other two are very wishy washy

wide pier
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0 synergy with the charioteer, but the morgana could be the glue that holds the team together

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since it has synergy with both

violet island
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yeah the small bit of irony being that the saladin is also built out for cqb, so would have to be very force forward to benefit from the charioteers support stuff; so the morgana will ikely be the one eating up all the lock ons

wide pier
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Huh, interesting

violet island
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I expect so, they're npc ally is a npc interpretation on a chomolunmga using the Sergeant as it's base

violet island
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in a lot of ways, i appreciate my players tendency to embrace a compromise between theming and mechanics, even if its very often a bit sub optimal

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oh lol th morgana player might be picking up kangto endochassis, just in case

fading jewel
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Celeste can overwatch people teleporting in and out of threat right?

violet island
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dont teleports not trigger reactions?

fading jewel
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Celeste is the overwatch platform that can trigger OW over anything

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Including movement that doesn't trigger reactions and knockback

naive iris
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if the wording includes movement that doesnt trigger reactions than yeah

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it should be able to

fading jewel
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THREAT 5 IMPACT LANCE CELESTE HERE I COME

barren pendant
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Writing about some of the little countries on Milisea (the IF planet). How's this read?

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Conchobar

The Túath of Conchobar is one of the oldest upon Milisea and the one that claims it has the most true connection to the Union Space Program ideals. A militaristic society, Conchobar believes that conflict is not only inevitable, it is necessary. To strip humanity of conflict is simply an impossible goal and one that could only be done by ceasing to be human. As such, Conchobar's Academies preach that it is Soldiers from which all of society owes its function and its respect, for they are willing to be the bulwark against oppression and evil.

While schooling in Conchobar does involve weapons training, formal service in their military is not required among its citizens, though very much socially pressured. Although Soldiers are seen as the cornerstone of society, Conchobar believes that loyalty and service of soldiers is only at the decision of those warriors. Much as Milisea was founded by soldiers who refused to obey orders they believe unjust, Conchobar's constitution holds that none can be bound in service against their will. This has made Conchobar enthusiastic supporters of Union intervention against those who violate the three pillars, with a disproportionate percentage of their military seconded to support the actions of the Union Department of Justice and Human Rights.

Many outsiders to Milisea initially believe that Conchobar, with its Militaristic politics, are simple brutes. Such views do not last long after visiting the Túath, for their militaristic lens focuses a wide society through its gaze. Some of the most heartbreaking works of media have been crafted within Conchobar, along with a fantastic variety of foods and art of all sorts. Soldiers are the bulwark of a society but one must have a society that makes one willing to defend it.

Less openly spoken about is Conchobar's terrifying military intelligence services, one of the most effective networks for subterfuge within Milisea. With outright war between the Túath very rare, this is perhaps a truer source of the high position Conchobar holds politically on the world than all the weapons in their extensive armories.
mossy lotus
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While schooling in Conchobar does involve weapons training, formal service in their military is not required among its citizens, though very much socially pressured. While Soldiers
Double 'while' is a bit awkward.

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with its Militaristic politics, is are simple brutes.
Little extra word there. 😛

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mossy lotus
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Yeah, I know the feeling. You write something, then edit a fragment, and then suddenly "oops, that janked up the flow."

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edits

violet island
# wide pier Huh, interesting 
[ LICENSES ]
  MOI MORGANA 3, MOI HOUDINI 3, HORUS LOGOS 1, HORUS Minotaur 1, MOI NIMUE 2
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Enhanced Systems Upgrade, Environmental Analysis Module, Sibyl Analysis Suite
[ TALENTS ]
  Technophile 3, Black Thumb 3, Grease Monkey 2, LEGIONNAIRE 2, Spaceborn 1, Hacker 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:0 AGI:2 SYS:6 ENGI:3
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:13 ARMOR:2
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:11 REPAIR:3
  TECH ATK:+8 LIMITED:+1
  SPD:4 EVA:8 EDEF:16 SENSE:15 SAVE:16
[ WEAPONS ]
  FLEX MOUNT: BRUTUS' SHIELD
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Enlightenment-Class NHP, MORDRED-Class NHP, Clarent-Grade Hereticode, Le Fey System Refinement, Viral Logic Suite, Vulgate Virus Vault, Copperfield System Upgrade, Showstopper x3, Féth Fíada```
violet island
# violet island ```-- MOI MORGANA @ LL9 -- [ LICENSES ] MOI MORGANA 3, MOI HOUDINI 3, HORUS LO... 
[ LICENSES ]
  C&H CHARIOTEER 2, C&H MATADOR 1, HORUS Goblin 1, C&H SABREUR 3, SSC Dusk Wing 2, SSC MYRMIDON 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  All-Environment Adaptation, Full Subjectivity Sync, Enhanced Systems Upgrade
[ TALENTS ]
  BLACK THUMB 3, Scrounger 3, Leader 3, Technophile 2, ANTIQUARIAN 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:0 AGI:4 SYS:6 ENGI:1
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:13 ARMOR:0
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:6 REPAIR:4
  TECH ATK:+7 LIMITED:+0
  SPD:8 EVA:18 EDEF:14 SENSE:15 SAVE:15
[ WEAPONS ]
  FLEX MOUNT: Autopod
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Student-Class NHP, Evasive Vernier Array, Flicker Field Projector, Glide Rollers, Bomblet Dispenser, ECM Launchers x2, H0R_OS System Upgrade I, Shield Array Drone, Personalizations, SUZUKAZE Thermoregulation```
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fading jewel
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Shield weapon that gives you OS as a protocol

barren pendant
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That's real potent.

fading jewel
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Can't do it twice in a row, and you lose all OS at the start of your next turn after using it

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+Slowed while you have said OS

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But yeah, you remember that convo about system weapons that use weapon mounts as an alternative payment for SP

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It's

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Kinda that

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nods

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Grumbles

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😛

violet island
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its one o da tings they earned last mission (im running DG, then SR, then SSMR, at LL8, 9, and 10 respectively)

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it is quite good yeah

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he'll prolly need it

barren pendant
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Hmm...tricky working out what to do with Milisea's Orbital Situation...

barren pendant
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As each of the Tuath are supposed to be decently important on a planetary scale but once orbital stuff gets involved it rapidly becomes a sort of 'If you don't have orbital facilities you don't much matter'. XD

karmic gull
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make one of the tuath a space bridge that relies on the rest to function

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fading jewel
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....Dear fuck those mechs are malnourished

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A light breeze would break their bones

barren pendant
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0 hull Morgana is just the 'Me Sowing/Me Reaping' meme.

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violet island
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Turns out being dice cursed as a gm makes your players bold

wide pier
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Rip in pepperoni

violet island
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We're also jumping into T3 this mission so uh... I see some allied care packages in their future

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And possibly some power at costs that'll turn into Burdens

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Oh my friend who was considering the medea posted this in the meme chat:

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rustic root
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okay that's amazing

wide pier
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Niiice

barren pendant
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Hahahahah

vapid fossil
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Cannot wait to hear from you that the Morgana got double structured from a Tier 3 ronin, spectre etc.

violet island
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I'm also anticipating the satisfaction

vapid fossil
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Pls report back if it happens o7

rustic root
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gotta love the specter casually doing 30 damage a turn

obtuse willow
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this is what playing medea is like

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violet island
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is it an expected cycle for a morgana to stress/structure a target simultaneously, then choose to expose the target first before the damage is dealt?

karmic jewel
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I know you can choose to do that with weapons that inflict heat

obtuse willow
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yes, it is

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morgana, in fact, is very strong

violet island
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i figure that'd be the case

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I gotta keep a close eye on the build in case access to too much homebrew will make em too powerful

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for example he's rolling ESU from suldan on the morgana, plus hacker, plus nuke cav potentially

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but the party has no other artillerists

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they may need him to be that strong

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ofc, the enemy may also begin to understand the threat they pose

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and since the players don't really have other strong outputs, its a possible situation of digging his own grave

violet island
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(3 player party, +1 NPC bonus ally)

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I've posted their Hull averse builds further up lol

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they may need the benefit of a really strong frame to buoy them

lapis sphinx
violet island
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yeah, i think 2 out of 3 of them have 0 hull builds

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which

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you know

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i mentioned that it may be unwise

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but im not gonna police their builds

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and if they make it work, then they make it work

karmic gull
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That extra 2 heat you get access to is enough to push Morgana into bonkers levels

violet island
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Yeah I told the player "if this gets out of hand, we're gonna have to pick something else"

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Do yall recommend just nipping that in the bud immediately instead

graceful kayak
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Hull is for people afraid of structuring!

violet island
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cause thisll be his first time in the morgana and with the ESU, if its a strong rec to just have him pick another cb, i can get that done before we actually hit boots on the ground

karmic gull
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yeah i'd just cut that off at the source

violet island
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I feel it'll be still plenty strong without it yeah?

zenith niche
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Yeah, Morgana doesn’t joke around even just within LS. CHESS says hi

little wadi
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Forget the two extra heat, make it use the reactor overload from carmilla 2

vapid fossil
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(Sowy for ping forgor to turn off)

graceful kayak
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No worries!

naive iris
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@barren pendant Kudzu (plus change) Feedback:

  • Preventative Care felt pretty impactful, 20 free hp each scene is a lot even spread out. Probably saved a few structure over the entire mission.
  • Sedation only came up a few times: Useful when it did, but the enemy team comp and mission might not have lended to it that well. Did redirect a handful of shots, but was a little tricky to set up.
  • Ochain Warning varied from saving an entire structure to only saving 3-4 damage, functions as psuedo-armor sometimes. Fun trait.
  • Core is impactful but you really gotta know when to pop it. The Full Action commitment when a lot of my damage and support actions were quick was a big investment, the movement was what really moved it to being worthwhile - let our team spread out for a recon and then collapse on the control point, healing prob 30+ hp overall.
  • Didn't really use the injector, except when a witch made me stab an ally ( 😔 )
  • Nailgun was generally more useful than the baton, only brought it out on large High Hull enemies. When you compare the two, I think the baton could use something extra, idk.
  • Immunization and Patch Kit were both super useful for doing mini-stabalizes mid mission. Saved someone from stun, went back to full hp after Ochain triggered, kept doing other stuff too. Just wildly effective systems.
  • Arrowstorm grenades were super useful, both modes are effective in their own ways. Between the huge range and the mines only triggering on hostiles they're very versatile. Only problem was that I didn't have enough lol.
  • I liked Fragarach's Warding, an aoe-attacker with a Medb marker fired at us and literally blew up from full with all the deterministic damage. Fun.
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Not what I was piloting but noticed:

  • Scillas core was hugely underwhelming when popped. It could've been the scene - mostly big npc mechs spread out - but Impair + Slow did basically nothing when the important npcs suceeded their saves, and none of the other players wanted to be stunned. Traded a player full to stun 1 enemy and fly 8, not very exciting.
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  • Book of Invasions was super useful for its cost though, free crush targetting on enemies came up a lot
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  • There was a rules question about Temper Steel, if the armor reduces the burn marked or just the damage of the burn. Might need clarification.
barren pendant
barren pendant
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If you reduce burn, you reduce both marked and damage.

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naive iris
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It is a potent effect at the right times, so idk quick might be too good

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its one of those cores that can immediately end a control point or holdout map

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just very swingy

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if you stun like 4 npcs with it its huge

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just getting one doesnt feel great

karmic jewel
naive iris
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something to lean more into the defender support side would work too

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zorping up someone low health saves them being shot at, but they still lose a turn

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then come back at the end of their turn, leaving them open again

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maybe it brings them back at the start of their turn, but they’re Unbalanced?

barren pendant
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Hehehe.

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Hehehe

naive iris
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👀

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thats also what I was thinking re: heal

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Two movement heal powers? Makes them both a little less cool

barren pendant
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During this time hostile characters can take no actions. Allied characters can take actions, though they remain removed from the battlefield, originating actions from the Scilla instead.
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The Scilla gained open topped, letting allies shoot from it. XD

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But more seriously: I am being inspired by some pondering. When I'm back on my PC I'll type up a proper redo of wave sweeper.

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The general Pondering is 'The scilla becomes a floating bunker briefly'

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Alternatively: The enemy ALWAYS gets taken but a save determines if the escape at beginning or end of turn.

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Wave Sweeper
Active (1 CP), Full Action
Fly up to 8 spaces in a straight line. Any number of Characters of your choice you pass over during this movement are converted into raw energy and removed from the battlefield as data. Affected characters can take no actions until the start of their next turn when they are returned to the battlefield in a free space under you or as close as possible. Hostile characters affected this way must pass an engineering save to avoid being disrupted by the conversion, returning to the battlefield at the end of their turn instead of the start.

@naive iris

naive iris
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stepped out to eat

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definitely more impactful imo

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the first one is very funny, but no way theres not some weird edge case rules lol

barren pendant
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hmm...writing stuff up for Milisea, the planet Ironleaf Foundry is from. Here's a bit of an odd question: Outside of the obvious stuff like 'countries', what would people find interesting to see written about for the planet?

karmic gull
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Geological oddities or wonders

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What's their grand Canyon? Their eye of the Sahara? Their Bermuda triangle?

barren pendant
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nods

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That's a good idea.

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Trying to work out some cool things to write about that are not just Fey Stuff and Combat Stuff. Like I can write a few paragraphs about a Big Defensive Space Station Dún Sciatháin but there's more to a planet and people than just 'stuff that might turn up on a battle map' 😛

barren pendant
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The Piston Treaty

For a space-faring world descended from the astronauts of the Union Space Program, the militarization of space is no strange realm for Milisea and its Túatha. The orbital production bays of the world hold some of the few remaining needleships, still functional for generation after generation of crew. In the sky above the world floats the Orbtial Fortress Dún Sciatháin, equipped with batteries of lances and dozens of flight decks to protect the world from invasion. However, despite that, Milisea has almost never seen combat in the void.

The primary reason for this is one of oldest treaties on Milisea, signed by the original founders of the world before there were multiple Túatha. These founders had seen how casually life could be consigned to oblivion by space-born weapons, a shining civilization returning to the brutality of throwing rocks at each other among the stars. Thus, they crafted a treaty that so far, no Túath has dared to break.

It dictated that even if the people of Milisea would fight among themselves, none would level orbital bombardment against each other or clash with each other in space. With no Túath willing to take the risk that their own breaking of this treaty would result in being obliterated in turn, space has remained one of the primary areas of cooperation and Unity on Milisea.

The orbital spaceports of the world are crewed by people from every single Túatha and the Naval vessels that patrol the system owe allegiance to the world as a whole instead of any single leader. This has often led to political arguments and division over the precise ratios of crew and if one Túath sees excessive representation but it also leaves Milisea appearing much more united on an intergalactic front than it is in terrestial matters.

Yay, writing things.

barren pendant
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I should also compile this fluff stuff from like 5 documents into one XD

halcyon mantle
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I like to see weird detours in setting fluff like a restaurant review or a news report about an new fad. I think it gives the setting more of a sense of depth

coral mountain
graceful kayak
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Unusual fauna or flora

barren pendant
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And the Milisean History is Finally Done (Took me a lot longer than planned as I kept getting distracted by other things to write).

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New Frontiers

The decision to create the blink gate near to their system before their discovery as a community has put Milisea in a rare position of sharing many of the benefits of Metropolitan society, while technically not being a member of Union. They have no votes within the Central Committee and Union Naval Forces cannot enter Milisea’s space without formal permission by the Tuatha. Despite that, however, Milisea is aware that the distinction is more of a legal fabrication than a sign of their nature as a true power. Still, this has allowed them a little more leeway than most with Union’s laws as long as the Three Pillars and the First Contact Accords are maintained.

Milisea uses this to trade widely and to attempt to make itself a diplomatic port of call for Diasporan communities who wish for another to support them in their diplomatic efforts with Metropolitan planets. A growing hub for diplomacy, trade and fringe research, Milisea is attempting to move onto a wider stage without losing the spirit that drove them to stand aside when they could no longer stand with injustice.

With the final little bit giving a quick overview of where they fit. They're not TECHNICALLY Union but only very technically and they're trying to leverage that.

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I hope this doesn't seem implausible/it makes sense?

fading jewel
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@empty kraken I think I remember a while back it was said that the intent for Slasher Sustainability Suite was that when you lost structure/stress you also reset HP/heat in addition to its usual effects under the impression that losing Structure/Stress usually resets HP/heat? Just making sure

empty kraken
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Ye

fading jewel
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Like, when you turn a structure loss into a stress loss not only do you reset HP as per the CB, but you also reset heat as just per losing stress

fading jewel
barren pendant
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fG6aNp0Dto3ZsxMfeI3nZkg_g_ZdTq29wffgJDBZI8g/edit?usp=sharing Planet History Finally Finished. Tried to make it give a general vibes for Major Events without it being too long/too dull.

Google Docs
Milisea History

You Cannot Escape Yourself The initial years of colonization of Milisea were hard. While the planet had exceptional natural resources, the resources fed not just the colonists but a variety of powerful megafauna that quickly learned to identify the danger of exoskeletons and combat vehicles. More...

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Any feedback here is very much appreciated.

karmic gull
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I will look when it is not three thirty in the am but

barren pendant
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From here it's going to be getting into more Nitty Gritty Stuff. Sports, Individual Tuath, Cool Small Things etc.

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Stuff to give it More Life.

vapid fossil
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Will have time to read lata

barren pendant
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Yay. Thanks for that. Fluff is something I'm much less confident in than mechanics.

mossy lotus
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Ain't that a mood.

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When will they create the mathematics for good fluff? 😔

violet island
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quick question the CB that gives armor to deployables, does that also effect the drones?

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i.e. do drones get +3 armor, +2 e def and +2 evade?

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or just the e def and evade

barren pendant
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Drones are not Deployables sadly.

violet island
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ok i realized id been misreading it and wanted to triple check ty

little wadi
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Do you count as an ally for the camera drone ?

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I know normally you aren’t your own ally but the drones seems to be talking about anyone that isn’t the drone itself

karmic jewel
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IIRC yes, thats how drones work
You can get cover from your own Hive Drone for example

barren pendant
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Pondering something with Milisea culture-wise. Since they avoided the whole 'First Contact Accords' thing until right after they met Union, I'm pondering if they've got a much more accepting of modification culture than Union proper.

Union accepts subtle stuff but does note that overt things might get you looked at weird in Metropolitan areas.

wide pier
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Are you implying... cat girls?

violet island
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then iki would have to manage.... the implication

barren pendant
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Not specifically (I believe doing so lets Tom turn up at my house and hit me with a stick) but more a general culture where overt modification is more accepted than standard for Union.

wide pier
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So what you're implying is that there can be catgirls

barren pendant
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In theory, I suppose.

violet island
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Bout to be pinochio as portrayed in Shrek in here

zenith niche
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He’s an author on the book that featured the phrase “Catgirl Reassignment Surgery,” so there’s that

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Though IIRC that was one of Vox’s pages 🤣

fading jewel
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What if you
Wanted to succeed TABLE OVERRIDE save
But Carmilla said

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TBH it probably isn't all too useful against something like an Ultra but still

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Oh on that note Copycode doesn't care about being Engaged right? Since it's the Hide action itself that is prohibited by it and not the Hidden status

barren pendant
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Yeah, you can get hidden without hiding and avoid a lot of the limitations of the action.

fading jewel
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Sweet thanks

empty kraken
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Carm!!!

fading jewel
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Carmilla very cool

empty kraken
vapid fossil
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I read through the history doc and is very fun! I can't write up a lotta feedback atm cause on phone but I liked it a lot!

barren pendant
vapid fossil
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Sorta like a memory vital passed down through each generation

vapid fossil
barren pendant
# vapid fossil Also. aes sídhe angle?

Possibly, yeah. I was pondering a mix of both genetic and visible cybernetic modification being much more common. In part with Milisea's established 'love of the dramatic'.

vapid fossil
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nod nod

barren pendant
barren pendant
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I think I should also start compiling my fluff documents as they're in Several Places right now

fleet steppe
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would anyone have advice on how to build an avarice?

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I recently discovered the combo of persistent possession and illusion charges

obtuse willow
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most of my avarice knowledge is constrained to the alt frame sadly

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also I built an ll2 medea for a campaign that just hit 2 and I'm already threatening our GM with putting out seven drones. this mech is excessive and I love it

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(3 sheep, 3 spartoi, one aeos, and then the expendable gms turrets)

barren pendant
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Hahahaha

fading jewel
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Really, any mines that have effects that are more important than damage are good on Avarice

little wadi
barren pendant
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Hmm...which section would people like me to start off with expanding Milisea stuff:

Governmental/Military Structure
Various Tuatha
Natural Environment
Sports and Cultural Oddities.
little wadi
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How bad of an idea is three yellowstones on an ll9 Phoenix ?

fading jewel
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Put all points into Engi too while you're at it

little wadi
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Like, if I do that, grab IAF and grease monkey

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It’s almost viable

vapid fossil
wide pier
barren pendant
vapid fossil
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Ayy it's finished!

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Great work and lessgoo

barren pendant
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Hope it looks okay as a very 'I'm here to stop you playing with objectives/taking extra actions' controller.

barren pendant
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But yeah, tommorow I'll start on the various Tuatha/Capitals/Weird Stuff For Each of them

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The intent is to have 6ish Tuatha, each with a capital city and a Weird Thing that's not the capital proper.

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They won't all be Paracausal or even super mysterious weird things, mind you.

vapid fossil
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😌

graceful kayak
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Oh it looks like a mean jerk (positive)

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I love it.

marsh silo
karmic jewel
vapid fossil
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good

barren pendant
karmic jewel
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:c my neurolink stabilized range 13 vorpals

barren pendant
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...pondering silly things for the IF writing. I'll likely mention in passing how weird it is for people to live near IF's main trade hubs. As you've got locations where 99.9% of the advertising isn't targeted at local people but visiting buyers.

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So the average person has to deal with 'Buy the latest missile system' like they're in weird Liberatarian Land because it's not targeted at them.

karmic gull
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oh you see that here sometimes

barren pendant
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oh?

karmic gull
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someone tweeted recently about living in northern virginia and seeing ads on the metro with a target audience of like

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a half dozen people

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selling missile systems and the like to defense contractors

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living in proximity to DC means you sometimes see shit specifically aimed at politicians and defense folks and it's very funny

barren pendant
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...

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That was supposed to be a silly extreme thing, not reality.

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;-;

karmic gull
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sorry!

barren pendant
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I mean, unless you put up the American Ads, you're not to be sorry 😛

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More 'dammit America'

karmic gull
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yeah, i'm secretly George Lockheed, the inventor of Lockheed's Martins

mossy lotus
karmic gull
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living here gives you a skewed view of advertising

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for example, see this picture of Breezewood, Pennsylvania

barren pendant
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What is this abomination?

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We have truck stops but they're generally like 1-2 fast food places, not...that.

karmic gull
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this is businesses setting up at one end of the Pennsylvania Turnpike, a major toll road with limited exits that a sizable portion of the eastern seaboard takes when going west of the rockies

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it is also a deliberately angled shot to make it look worse than it is

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actually quite a nice and convenient place. get gas cheaper than at a service plaza, get lunch, get on the turnpike and drive for four hours until you get on a different one

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but it's also a good example of just the sort of visual noise some of us here wind up filtering out; small towns alongside major interstates wind up with a sign glurge like this sometimes

barren pendant
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nods

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Makes sense.

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Trying to not make every 'weird thing' purely 'There be Fey' or 'There be weird natural thing' but small cultural things too.

mossy lotus
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Oh, ain't that a big mood.

barren pendant
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Hence me thinking of the 'If you're in a place in the Ironleaf Collective where buyers visit a lot, you basicly live in a walking advertisement for military equipment'

fading jewel
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Also fucking hell I'm having a hard time finding the original North Virginia tweet even though I just saw it yesterday

barren pendant
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Man, apparently this is an 'everywhere except where I live' 😛

karmic gull
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have you tried living near a defense hub? :p

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Oh, @naive iris. Based on feedback provided, the Kudzu's less used things got a hair of a tune up/you're no longer allowed to flicker it for infinite overshield 😛

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Kudzu
Preventative Care - Rewritten to avoid triggering multiple times per scene after someone flickered it like it was MTG.
Nanotoxin Injector - +1 Base Damage
Electrobaton - Gained a hair more effect in the on-hit.
karmic gull
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okay so flickering is out. what if i make a token that is a copy of the kudzu but isn't legendary-

barren pendant
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whap

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No clone effects.

mossy lotus
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Didymos patched itself out retroactively.

wide pier
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why are you all sharing images of hell today?

barren pendant
karmic gull
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next you're gonna tell us that milisean television has 18 minutes of commercials per hour!

barren pendant
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Let's not go unrealistic 😛

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(Honestly, what I'm trying right now is working out some names for Tuatha that are plausible without just being real historical locations)

wide pier
fading jewel
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Although yes this is totally something that the manufacturers would do

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IPSN, SSC, and HA all have mech ads near civilian areas

karmic gull
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Horus put their ads in the infrastructure layout of said areas

rustic root
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Horus doesn't have ads

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they just have craigslist

fading jewel
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How funny is Overcharge Burn melee Skirmish --> Shock Wreath --> White Phosphorous Rounds(Additional Device Rails)

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Practical? Probably not. Something you can do? Hell yeah

steady halo
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lemme actually like

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check what WPR does again

little wadi
steady halo
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It seems like a fun 1-2 punch, but the requirement to Overcharge is a touch oppressive on the build.

wide pier
steady halo
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Could still work without Overcharge if you Shock Wreath one turn and then WPR the next turn, but it is a touch dependent on the target not clearing the Burn (though clever turn ordering can also mitigate that and yada yada)

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You're also basically required to use Shock Knives, assuming a LL6 build.

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The other 3 Burn-dealing melees are locked behind either LL2 or LL3 and we're already spending at least 5 of our LLs on Shock Wreath and WPR

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also god damnit I keep finding non-1st party mechs that fit my vision of A&C better than like
the Caliban/Dusk Wing amalgam I have now

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(this time it's the Nimue)

wide pier
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That's good! Just need to ask your gm nicely!

fading jewel
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So Terrorize says "you cannot choose a new one(victim)", but that does mean I'm allowed to just repeatedly spam Terrorize on the same target to permanently Slow and Impair them?

barren pendant
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The intent is 'no'.

fading jewel
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Damn

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Why must fate foil me at every turn

halcyon thorn
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That's what Brutalize is for 😛
(bellringer is also good for this, if you want a controller Jack)

fleet steppe
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"In addition, during deployment, you may deploy up to two Mines in unoccupied spaces within Range 3 of the Avarice."```
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is this just

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you place two extra mines when you deploy a mine?

barren pendant
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@carmine nymph

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I believe that is '2 free mines at start of battle'

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Not '2 free mines whenever'

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Due to the 'during deployment'

fleet steppe
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that was my second guess but I figured I'd ask because of the wording

rustic root
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Yeah otherwise that would just be the isky trait

steep hazel
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Hey which team member (s) were the one (s) who worked on Downfall Group ?

barren pendant
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That was Psybomb

steep hazel
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Got it!

Uh, @carmine nymph , would you be okay someone creating a homebrew alt frame for one of the Downfall Mechs, if it had tie in lore to the Field Guide/Setting area they're writing?

carmine nymph
carmine nymph
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Which one?

steep hazel
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im unsure! i gotta juggle it

fleet steppe
steep hazel
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it would be a tie in to the field guide im slowly writing that surrounds the descendents of another world's Rihla who became immigrants in this world, and has very heavy greek theming

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so Hubris being a very common theme in greek myth

carmine nymph
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Ooooooo

steep hazel
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the other name idea was Devotion, haha

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one of those two

steep hazel
# carmine nymph Ooooooo

My ideas for the 3 manufacturers from liminal space are

M&P—Downfall Hubris or Devotion
M&P—MO Delphi
M&P—MO&S Orpheus

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(M&P being the Manufacturer from the setting)

carmine nymph
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Hubris is better for Greek theming.

steep hazel
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yea, thats what i was thinking

carmine nymph
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But Orpheus is PERFECT for MOS

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(I’m also a Hadestown fan, so I’m biased)

barren pendant
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I'm guessing Delphi is MOI?

steep hazel
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i was gonna do Hecate for MOI, but shes, actually really important to the lore of the setting

steep hazel
barren pendant
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Makes sense. I've bitched about it before but finding non-fascist occultists forced me to mostly turn to mythological wizards. Most of them are not propping up unjust systems.

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Except Merlin.

steep hazel
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yea,,,,

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originally i was gonna do hecate, but now Hecate is a MONIST entity so... uh, probably not gonna also have a mech named after her?

fleet steppe
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new question
is lesson of the open door's heat halved by avarice's persistent possession? (enemy fails save against mine & takes 2 heat)

carmine nymph
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I think so?

steep hazel
carmine nymph
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The Pride is the most “official” of DFG’s frames, IPSN developed it as the MACARTHUR PR frame

steep hazel
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ooo so that works perfectly thematically >:)

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ill keep you updated!!

carmine nymph
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I look forward to it

steady halo
wide pier
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😔

carmine nymph
# steep hazel ill keep you updated!!

Also a random development note: the PRIDE was the first homebrew frame I ever wrote, and the Microwave Pistols were originally meant to be an alt weapon for the Goblin. The ideas came a very, very long way from there

steep hazel
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Ooo fascinating

carmine nymph
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But a lot of that frame, as a result, consists of ideas that sounded really cool and got shoved together. Oddly appropriate for the concept. The Camera Drone in particular went through… I want to say five?… iterations before getting to what saw print

steep hazel
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Also yeah after double looking at everything pride is the only one that really works for the ideas I have in mind for hubris

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It fits perfectly

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M&P—Downfall Hubris (one of the greatest sins and greatest tragedies of many great Greek heroes)
Pride Alt

M&P—MO Pythia (she was THE Oracle of Delphi at the temple of apollo, the legendary oracle herself)
Medea or Morgana Alt

M&P—MO&S Orpheus (literally went into the underworld for love, and escaped but at what)
Carmilla or Rasputin Alt

barren pendant
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Obviously, there's going to be more to them than just the overview but I'm looking at for the Main Tuatha Talked About

Conchober (Militaristic)
Ironleaf Collective (The ones who *are* Ironleaf Foundry)
Major Breadbasket One
Relatively recent one that's entirely orbital

Any 'general overview themes' for various citystates/countries people would like to see covered in the Milisea stuff? The intent is less to go 'This is all they are' and more to sorta give a bit of a 'this is the sort of vibes you'd get in a particular area that works in this area of expertise' (I plan to make them more individual than just the overview).

karmic gull
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what's media and entertainment like on milisea, given their isolationf rom union for a long time?

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that could be a note to explore

barren pendant
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Not a bad idea

fading jewel
graceful kayak
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One of my player's new builds:
-- SSC Monarch @ LL10 --
[ LICENSES ]
SSC Monarch 2, SSC MICROMONARCH 1, SSC MYRMIDON 1, SSC Dusk Wing 2, IPS-N Tortuga 1, MOI NIMUE 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
All-Theater Movement Suite, Superior Logistics, Partial Phase Occultation
[ TALENTS ]
Vanguard 3, Infiltrator 3, Combined Arms 2, Tactician 2, Ace 1, Duelist 1, FIELD ANALYST 1
[ STATS ]
HULL:2 AGI:6 SYS:2 ENGI:2
STRUCTURE:4 HP:17 ARMOR:1
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:8 REPAIR:4
TECH ATK:+3 LIMITED:+1
SPD:8 EVA:14 EDEF:10 SENSE:15 SAVE:15
[ WEAPONS ]
FLEX MOUNT: Deck-Sweeper Automatic Shotgun
MAIN MOUNT: Claíomh Solais
HEAVY MOUNT: Teen Baan Missiles
[ SYSTEMS ]
SUZUKAZE Thermoregulation, Flicker Field Projector, “Hydromancy” Blinkspace Inundator

fading jewel
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Wait

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Can Monomania activate Spotter 3

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Can you, hypothetically, as Jack, hit your Victim, consuming Lock On, apply Lock On with Monomania, then Spotter 3 an adjacent ally straight into Autopod

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WAIT, can Spotter 3 activate on ANY instance of Lock On??

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Hold on gotta hit up #rules-questions real quick

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Oh, oh yeah,

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Monomania activates Spotter 3

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Welp, time to kick ass

zenith niche
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BIG BROTHER JACK IS WATCHING EVERYTHING INDIVIDUALLY!

empty kraken
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Carm & Razzie are VERY DIFFERENT alt situations tho

steep hazel
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Oh for sure

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I just felt they thematically fit the best for the VERY vague ideas i jad for how an Orpheus would work

zenith niche
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Honestly? I can see Rasputin’s kit being more suited to the singer.

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And big bonus points if you name some of the frame traits for Hadestown lyrics 😄

empty kraken
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Razzie's got stuff you want to be big for

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Redoubt, EGGSHELL

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Like you don't need to be Size 3 but it wants to be l0rg

zenith niche
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Good point. Orpheus has never exactly been described as a big dude.

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And while I personally would still be quite willing to run Eggshell on a Size 1, it loses, what, half of its effective area?

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… random thought. Has anyone ever put together a Rasputin/Zahhak build with All The Auras?

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Like, put it on the Big Egg frame, plant your behind on an objective, and laugh maniacally as everything just misses you and all Grunts evaporate if they get within shouting distance.

empty kraken
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Allies in your area taking damage every turn like "this is why no one likes you Bob"

zenith niche
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“It’s either take 2-3 points a turn from me, or 20-30 from them.”

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painters angrily shaking their fist at Bob

steep hazel
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So like a little size one mech with a big size 3 AOE around it that represents what its actual trait area of effects are

carmine nymph
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That is roughly what SLOTH was doing. Feel free to look at it for inspiration

steep hazel
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Ooo true

barren pendant
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On something Liminal Space related: Has anyone made use of New Agartha Station/what are people's thoughts on it? I see a lot of talk about the LS rules but there's less overall talk about the fluff side.

steady halo
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Being entirely honest, I don't know what's up with the New Agartha Station... or MOI really? But also it's been a while since I last read through all of Liminal Space

karmic gull
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I was putting New Agartha into a campaign I was running but it died unrecoverably

barren pendant
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notes down 'so bad it kills games'

karmic gull
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Using it as background fluff for my players

barren pendant
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Thank you 😛

karmic gull
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Listen :p

zenith niche
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I’ve told you a couple of mine, but I use it as a quest hub on the rare occasion I get to game

karmic gull
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I like the mysteries in it. I'll probably put it to use in the next game I run that isn't explicitly situated planetside

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LS is part of my table's standard suite of available homebrew so I fully intend to continue using the fluff of it as well

steady halo
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I also don't have the actual like. Liminal Space book so that might explain it actually, whoops

barren pendant
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Sorry for the trouble/the queries. The wonders of society repeatedly telling autistic people 'you're bad at emotional stuff' means that I have like zero self confidence in my fluff writing XD

steady halo
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I wanna run (either as a GM or as a player) a Liminal Spaces thingy so baaddddd

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All the mechs and corpros and stuff are so coolll

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Also question for @barren pendant: I am unfamiliar with the actual like, story around Merlin, and I'm wondering why he specifically is called out so often by you

mossy lotus
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The character or the mech?

carmine nymph
barren pendant
steady halo
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Uhhh
both?

carmine nymph
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pulls out the popcorn

barren pendant
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To explain Merlin the character, I have a real fucking antipathy towards him because...well, he's a Real Piece of Shit. People joke about Fate making Merlin terrible but...Merlin was always terrible even back in Arthurian Mythology. Even before Arthur was part of the story, under Uther he (Content Warning: Sexual Assault) || Plays a pivotal role in the Rape of Arthur's mother by Uther Pendragon by providing the illusions he uses to do so.||

On a less 'yikes' level, he's also sorta emblematic of the Christianization of Celtic Mythology with all the stuff the monks tried to do to whitewash mythology of non-Christian cosmologies. Arthurian Mythology has a LOT of old celtic bones to it, with Excalibur itself being theorized as another iteration of the Irish Sword of Light (Which you actually see on the Nimue! Enjoy your Literally Excalibur sword.)

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On a mech front, the Merlin was originally one of MOI's Support Frames. A very D&D 4e Warlord Support who was deisgned to help allies action economy and to give them a lot of buffs.

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CORE SYSTEM: BLINKSPACE ARMOURY
The Merlin’s one true offensive system is a folded blinkspace generator buried deep inside its frame. With proper tuning, it can generate thin blink fields within objects themselves, severing them in sudden waves of energy as the object is shattered on an atomic level. However, the amount of processing power required for targeting this system is phenomenal, requiring the Merlin to hand off much of the firing process to allied systems while it handles the generation of the blink fields themselves.

Once and Future King
Protocol
One allied character in your sensor range gains the Excalibur, treating it as if it was mounted on their mech until the start of your next turn. 

Excalibur
Superheavy Melee
AP, Accurate
Threat 2
2d6+4 Energy Damage

This was before the Nimue existed as a mech.

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But it sorta ran into issues in testing.

steady halo
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ah hey, Tempest Charged Blade :)

barren pendant
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The first one? Everyone wanted a merlin on their team.

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No one wanted to play the Merlin.

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It was a really good support mech, it buffed really well but it left players not really feeling like they were contributing to the fight a tonne.

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It got a redo into a slightly more active version later on:

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Caliburn System Refinement
Many lancers fight like knights and heroes, individual warriors of titanic skill but uncoordinated with their allies. The latest design of Command/Control/Communication modules are designed to attempt to work around this, herding giant metal cats to fight together.

3 SP, Unique Full Tech
Gain the following Full Tech Actions:

Excalibur: Make a tech attack against a character within sensors and line of sight. On a success, they take 4 heat and are primed until the start of your next turn. The first time another character successfully hits the primed character with an attack, they erupt in a blinkspace slash. Create a line 5 zone that includes the target. All characters in the affected area, including the primed character, must pass an agility save or take 1d6+2 AP energy damage, or half damage on a successful save.

Destined Defeat: Choose a hostile character within sensors and line of sight. Attacks against them before the end of your next turn ignore cover and do not require line of sight, even if there is no path to the target.

But again, it ran into 'A bit too passive for its own good'

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Eventually, after several attempts @empty kraken gave me one of the best pieces of advice you can get as a designer.

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'Just Kill It' XD

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Sometimes things don't work out and rather than going to 'Lets see if Attempt #5 works', it's sometimes better to go 'Lets try something new'

carmine nymph
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Oh, that one is not just good advice, it is freaking hard to learn

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Ikiryo learned it approximately three times faster than I did… and Vox was the one to teach me

barren pendant
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This @steady halo runs into my other big issue with MOI design. You'd not think so but 'Occultists, Magicians and Alchemists' is a remarkably limiting naming convention at times. Becuase like 90% of the time when you look up an occultist, there is a section reading 'Antisemitism'.

So I had to ponder a non-fascist option to replace the Merlin. Man, what is there that I could do that would replace merlin...

carmine nymph
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(In my case, it was during some behind-the-scenes Dev work in Pathfinder. I kept trying to make a prestige class work. It didn’t.)

barren pendant
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💡

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I'd make one named after the mage who defeated merlin.

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Which is how the MOI Nimue ended up being designed.

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Named after the fey mage who Shoved Merlin In A Tree and with a reference both to that and to the fact that the Nimue's creation is what dealt the final blow to the Merlin.

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The MOI Nimue is a mix of 'Lady of the Lake', 'Tuatha De Danann' and 'Lancelot' (Since his adopted mother is the Lady of the Lake), with a bit of a sprinkling of 'Iki was, by this point, hating merling (mech) as much as merlin (wanker)'.

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I hope that helps @steady halo?

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Iki by this point of the design process when staring at the Merlin.

steady halo
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Interesting story!

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The frame I'm yearning to build most is the Nimue, so I guess it was fresh in my mind

empty kraken
barren pendant
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||Okay, the last element of the Nimue I didn't state is Iki being a Filthy Weeb.||

mossy lotus
steady halo
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Sometimes it's good just having a reality check

carmine nymph
barren pendant
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Iki: "Hmm...what should I do for a sword based on Excalibur and more accurately the Irish Sword of Light and Caladbolg. Wait...Caladbolg cut the top off hills and...oh no...I'm doing this, aren't I?"

vapid fossil
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cannot do wrong with fate sword lasers

barren pendant
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Did leave me in a bit of a problem when it came time for the Ironleaf Foundry Exotics, as I went 'oh no, I already used one of the 4 treasures of the Tuatha De Danann in LS' XD

vapid fossil
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my edgy nimue be like

steady halo
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when all else fails, the absence of a thing can be just as strong as its presence...

vapid fossil
barren pendant
# 
Champion's Blade
When the Airgead Barrow was first opened, within its halls a quartet of swords were found. These barrowblades at first seemed to be nothing but a hilt and would be too large for an unaugmented human to hope to wield comfortably even if otherwise. However, during the attack by a hunting megafauna, a young defender in an exoskeleton grasped the handle of one of the swords when her own rifle was knocked from her hand. In this moment of danger, a dancing blade of shimmering rainbow light was revealed as thin as the gap between life and death itself.

Attempts to store the swords for long have proven rarely successful, the weapons being found again and again when the desperate and the hopeful need something to turn the tide. The one exception to this is a single sword, locked behind powerful metastatic barriers and sealed with chains of hereticode in the vaults of Magnum Opus Interstellar, stolen during the creation of the Blink Gate near Milisea. Attempts to reclaim the weapon legally are stymied in Union courts by the Corpostate's lawyers but the people of Milisea believe that one day even that blade will once more be free to defend those in need.
steady halo
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what can I say, I'm an APPETITE shill

vapid fossil
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I see what you did there

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also

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very dope Iki

barren pendant
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The IF Exotics all ended up with a mechanical theme of 'Get better when your allies are being hurt' as they're supposed to be very 'darkest hour'

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Devoted
This gear reveals its greatest potential when things are at their most tested. If you have one or more Devoted systems, you gain a Devotion Die, 1d6 starting at 1. Each time you or an allied character marks structure or stress, increase the die by 1, to a maximum of 6. The value of your Devotion Die persists between scenes but resets to 1 when you perform a Full Repair.
steady halo
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Ooooh 👀

barren pendant
# 
Main Melee
Smart, 2SP, AP, Exotic, Devoted, Unique
Threat 1
4 Kinetic Damage + 1 Burn.
You gain the Heroes Grace Full action.

Heroes Grace
Full Action, Limited 2
You bring your blade down on a hostile character in Range 3, dealing 4 Kinetic Damage times your Devotion die and granting yourself or one allied character in line of sight Overshield equal to 3 times your Devotion die. The hostile character can pass a systems save to halve the damage. Then reset your Devotion die to 1.

The Original Blade (not the MOI made one) turns that into a Big Couterattack/Attempt to Stabilize The Fight.

rustic root
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NGL I basically invented the Merlin again from first principles the other day in homebrew design

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then I realized "wait this is the Merlin" and scrapped it lol

karmic gull
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"no literal wizards" etc

barren pendant
carmine nymph
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looks guiltily at the fact my Alt was named FLAMEL

vapid fossil
barren pendant
# 
Spear of Flame
When Commander mac Nessa left the fledgling colony, he spoke of the respect soldiers were due and how only they had the will to maintain the glory of the Union Space Program. To symbolize this oath that his new Tuatha of Conchobar swore, each officer among his unit was forged a mighty spear for their exoskeletons. Made from the metal of their Needleships and the blood of each officer spilled into the mould as it was crafted, these spears never truly cooled. They are believed to still hold the militaristic obsession of their first wielders, truly alive only in the chaos of war.

While many of these spears still adorn the landmarks of Conchobar, others have been lost in various mercenary parties or skirmishes over the centuries. The people of Conchobar hold them in awe, symbols of the righteousness of their purpose and the truth that all power flows from the point of a spear.

Heavy Melee, Arcing, 2 SP, Devoted, Exotic, Unique
Threat 2, Thrown 8
1d3+3 Kinetic Damage + 1 Burn.
You gain the Ender of Armies Full Action

Ender of Armies
Full Action, Limited 2
The Spear of Flame lashes out across a number of sequential Line 3 areas that cannot overlap, starting in Range 8, equal to your Devotion die. One target in the affected area suffers 3 Burn, plus 3 Kinetic Damage for each other character in the affected areas. This damage cannot be reduced in any way. Other hostile characters in the affected area must pass an agility save or suffer 3 Burn. Then reset your Devotion die to 1.
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One of the Four Treasures is Lugh's Spear.

vapid fossil
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ye I saw it a while ago when we discussed the weird mechnics of backwards lines at the time!

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it is just as cool tho and love the current version

lapis sphinx
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1d3+3+1 burn seems like a very small amount for an Exotic Heavy Melee that costs 2 SP.

barren pendant
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It is, because it used to be a Main Melee and then I figured 'One of these should be a bloody heavy' and forgot to update the damage 😛

vapid fossil
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mood

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especially with the other two being stone and da cauldron

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gotta have a heavy

barren pendant
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Hmm...designing Conchober's capital/trying to make up a few unique little traits for it that tie into it's history as 'started as a military base first' without being just about being military. I'm thinking that the place generally has very small personal dwellings but really good Third Spaces, as the place started as mostly Barracks and Places to Keep Soldiers Entertained and while that's not an accurate description any more, it's kinda kept in the overall architecture design. Most people in Conchober don't have a kitchen/tend towards communal dining at Automats/Community Kitchens.

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Very 'your house is small but there's a lot to do outside of it'

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Trying to make the various places feel like...lived in.

barren pendant
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Pondering the look of Milisean Soldiers (When not in mechs) and wondering if 'Sci-Fi Sharpe's Rifles' would be too silly.

vapid fossil
little wadi
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What’s the meanest on hit maybe saved based main gun in LS that can be used repeatedly?

steady halo
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The Gauss Rifle from the Carmilla ain't bad.

fading jewel
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Yeah it's pretty good

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Especially if you have two of them and the right targets, you can pop off

steady halo
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Exacerbator Gauntlet? If you want it to pop consistently, you'll have to chill at 3 Structure but. 1d6+4 is Nanocarbon tier.

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The Yellowstone is not what I would call "repeatable" but

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1 Burn and 1 Heat is 1 Burn and 1 Heat

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Oversized Targeting Laser does just apply Lock On. Which is quite good.
Heat 2, mind! But quite good.

karmic gull
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If you're an aux spammer, you can have fun with wristguns

barren pendant
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The Wristguns are my general goto with Main/Aux mounts.

karmic gull
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A combination I'm fond of is a Hydrostatic Huckleberry and some wristguns

fading jewel
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Especially on a Toku

karmic gull
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Reliable 1 means the wristguns always proc their max damage, and you can give them AP that way too

fading jewel
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Wristguns do 3 damage even on a miss?

barren pendant
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Nah, it's instead 'reliable damage can Set Them Up'

fading jewel
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Oh you mean- yeah

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The Huckleberry

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Gotcha

wide pier
lapis sphinx
karmic gull
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Yes

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Dealing any damage, even if it is reduced to zero by armor, counts as dealing damage

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This comes up for autocooler

little wadi
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Im leaning the Zou rifle

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It’s for a Scylla orchis build

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So Zou brings a ton of great stuff

steep hazel
barren pendant
barren pendant
# 
Metat Must Be Joking
One of the latest smash hits of Milisea's media creations and one that has perhaps not aged quite as well as they'd have liked with the Boundary Garden flaring up, this series follows an amiable but entirely undisciplined Ascendency Soldier saved by sheer dumb luck getting mistaken for a powerful Mind. Each attempt to convince his superiors that he's not chosen by Metat Aun so that he can return to a safe logistics position only results in more and more improbable situations that spread his legend further as stumbles his way into conspiracies, unexpected pirate raids and strange paracausal phenomena.

The series has become very well known for the significant attention it puts into detailed showings of Ascendency Mechs. This is the result of diplomats from the Aunic Embassy on Milisea having heard about its filming and rather than being offended at the premise, took offense at the idea that an NHP would be playing the exhausted and put upon Aunic Soul desperately trying to keep the protagonist alive, thus sending a few of their local bodyguard units to help provide authenticity and cultural advisors.

Writing Random Little Cultural Things for the Milisea book, in this case a Media Show!

ivory patio
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does RECONNAISSANCE core power trigger envy's scan related traits?

barren pendant
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The core bonus? Yep

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It was expressly designed as a 'Envy will likely want this'

fading jewel
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Except for the Core Passive

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Which specifies the Quick Tech Action

barren pendant
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Yeah.

empty kraken
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CELESTE & HOLIDAY were meant to get along

sly onyx
karmic gull
halcyon thorn
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I should honestly write it up, still thinking about that BG game so

barren pendant
# 
Capital: Baile Cruach
The capital of Conchobar is one of the largest and most urbanized cities on Milisea. Where many cities have built outwards, planning around significant green space, the history of Conchober pushed it in a different direction. Originally designed more as a military base than a city, Conchobar has built upwards, focusing heavily on clever usage of space to keep it for much of its life within each subsequent ring of walls it constructed around itself

These days, when the vast majority of the population are not military forces, it can often feel cramped and lacking privacy to outsiders. The average home in Baile Cruach owes much to the barracks of the past and is quite small; most little more than a sitting room, bathroom and bedroom. However, natives of the city instead sing the praises of how in a universe where it is often so easy to feel alone despite being surrounded by people, Baile Cruach maintains a very strong sense of community. 

Most people take part in group dining at the cities many community kitchens, or can be seen chatting in one of the many automats and cafes about the city. Cultural centers and theatres adorn the city, full of local groups engaged in various activities with their neighbors. Many of the towering skyscrapers are adorned with massive holographic hanging banners, once the symbols of various military units but now an icon of a given neighborhood and its people. Troublemakers and Lancers who start a fight in Conchobar often find out that you can't start a fight with one person without their entire community weighing in to help them.

Writing up capitals of various Tuatha and trying to make Conchobar more than just 'Oh yeah, Those Assholes' (As they do have a bit bits of dicky in the history section).

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How's this seem?

graceful kayak
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I do like the progress and origin of it.

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To give it an unique sort of feel.

halcyon thorn
#

@barren pendant Is the Megafauna supposed to use the Monstrosity's alt structure table, or the same one as mechs?

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This one

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I ask because the monstrosity has a trait which says it uses the table, which the megafauna lacks

barren pendant
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The former, yeah. That is...something I wish I'd caught. XD

halcyon thorn
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Another Q: Have the Ironleaf Exotics- the sword, the spear, the cauldron, and all- found their way into an LCP anywhere yet? Its fine if not, but we're in a pretty Exotic-heavy campaign and my char's main weapon is a Claiohm Solais, so the Champion's Blade is likely on the table

barren pendant
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Not yet, no. Sorry. XD

halcyon thorn
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All good, they were still getting iterated on when last I checked here so I was not expecting them to be all finished and plugged in, just wondering

barren pendant
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There's them + a few changes to still go into the .lcp at some point.

halcyon thorn
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@barren pendant I suspect the answer is yes, but:
Does the Denting Iron need to wait for the round to turn over before it gets its extra damage? Like, if you Dent a dude on your turn, then they proc your Overwatch, does the OW do normal damage or maxed damage
(Also this is the last question I promise 😅 )

barren pendant
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You can hit then overcharge denting iron

halcyon thorn
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Oh wow, so the OC Denting will do 8?

barren pendant
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There's a reason why Denting Iron while very scary doesn't increase the potential damage, just the average damage.

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You go from 'normal main melee' to 'maximized main melee'

halcyon thorn
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This does raise the possibility of an Everest or something just pouring out obscene burst

barren pendant
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I mean, Everest and Obscene Burst are basicly its natural state and...eh, let the fucker run up point blank and do it.

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Keeping up an assault on one guy is harder as a melee guy.

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And until you get the first hit it's 1 SP for nothing

halcyon thorn
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If thats the intent, Dentin Iron could probably use a different wording
Not sure what wording change would better communicate that while not being clunky though

karmic gull
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On Hit: your next attack against the same target with the Denting Iron deals 8 damage instead of rolling. Bonus damage is rolled normally.

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?

barren pendant
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Oh? I'll admit, I'm not super clear what the issue is. Not saying there wouldn't be one, more just that I don't get it.

karmic gull
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It’s timing, is the main thing

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As written, if I do an Everest Ora Ora scene, I have to roll for it with every swing, because it’s all the same round

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But if I swing once, wait for my next turn, and do it then, they all get maximized

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Specifically because it specifies “in the previous round”

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Assuming my lcp is up to date

barren pendant
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...I don't think it is.

# 
Denting Iron
Main Melee, Unique, 1 SP
[Threat 1] [1d6+2 Kinetic Damage]
On Hit: This weapon gains the Hammer Weakness profile against that character only until you attack a new character with this weapon.

Hammer Weakness
Main Melee
[Threat 1] [8 Kinetic Damage]
Nothing can take abuse forever. The most advanced living metals, the hardest alloys and the most well trained muscles; each has a limit. If you push them far enough, they'll snap and never be quite as strong again. Some articulation enhancements are designed to do exactly that, to lay precision blow after precision blow into systems pushed to the breaking point.
halcyon thorn
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Oh, that is not what mine says either
Or the Clover player I was asking this for

image.png
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I will be sure to update it

barren pendant
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Odd

karmic gull
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Ah I see

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Bolt nexus wording

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The “only” in that on-hit feels so very clunky

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Which, bolt nexus’s fault

obtuse willow
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yeah if denting iron was changed I was not made aware of it so it slipped in the lcp

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apologies

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I'll get an lcp update pushed this weekend sometime probably

barren pendant
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Oh no, how terrible XD

fading jewel
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Yeah John what do we pay y- wait you don't get paid? Uhm-

barren pendant
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Important question: With the IF fluff I'm writing, are people okay with me putting out stuff I've not yet worked out names for? As I can write multiple paragraphs of fluff faster than I can work out a name I'm happy with. XD

rustic root
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Go for

mossy lotus
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Just don't be like me, where the longer a placeholder name is there, the harder it is to think of a replacement.

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Names are hard, because of how many levels they have implications for. Especially place names.

barren pendant
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Yeah, it's tricky

rustic root
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If you're worried about accidentally replicating a place name that exists in real life, don't be.

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I'm going to London on vacation at the end of the month and regularly have to clarify that I mean the one in Ontario, not the one in England or the one in Ohio

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And the system hercynia is in in NRFAW is just straight up a place in France

mossy lotus
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It's more it's good to think about "why is this place name that way? What does that say about the setting?"

...I do not do this as often as I should.

barren pendant
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Yeah. It's just an area I'm really not good at. XD

blazing mural
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when in doubt name things after other things deliberately

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unless you're naming things after stuff in Canada

torpid viper
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Just name everything New Finland, and then specify you're naming them after the town in Minnesota.

barren pendant
#

Alright, so the overviews of the 6 Big Tuatha are plotted out, got to just put pen to paper with them. They're going to be more than just this but they all started pretty specialized outposts before they grew.

-Former Military Outpost, Grew Into Actual Community
-Coalition of Engineering and Mining Tuatha, the guys behind Ironleaf Foundry.
-Confederation of Orbital Communes striking out on their own, currently putting a bit of a test to 'Nothing in space belongs to a single Tuatha' ideas.
-Breadbasket of the world. Secretly a *lot* scarier than they initially seem.
-The original landing point/starting colony of the world. Once a massive power player, now economically unimportant but culturally a heavy hitter.
-Natural Protection/Rangers/Megafauna Wranglers. Not Hunters (Save to deal with overpopulation of various species), trying to keep the ecosystem balanced/avoid humans fucking it up.
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Does this seem like a decent swathe of 'major groups' for a world?

vapid fossil
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I always love the harmless looking clan that is actually a sect of like mega assasins

barren pendant
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||In this case it's more: One time another tuath tried to take them over. Issue - You do not fuck with the guys who have the largest supply of Terraforming gear on the entire world. The difference between teraforming and a superweapon is entirely in if the target is occupied.||

vapid fossil
barren pendant
# vapid fossil ||That is really fun!|| 
The Lost Tuath
While some Tuath have been lost to misfortune, disaster or conflict there is only one Tuath that is 'The Lost Tuath' when most people speak. A famous mercenary group that had grown into a fledgling city of their own, they served primarily as heavy hitters when one of the Tuatha required muscle to raid or intimidate another. However, every city needs resources to grow and they had few of their own.

Thus, they took to raiding and claiming the territory of <Breadbasket Tuath>, sure that a Tuath that had so rarely been involved in war would be easy prey. Farmers were seized and treated as little more than slaves by their new masters, working their lands under threat of death. They forced back the limited military forces of <Name> again and again. Unable to secure enough allies to support them or to win a battlefield victory themselves, <Name> was pushed to the edge...and returned the devastation manyfold.

The backbone of the agricultural industry of <Name> was the massive terraforming arrays they had spent decades building, immense cloud bursters and storm abatement systems that could extend growing seasons significantly and avoid natural disasters harming their crops. Instead, they were turned to destruction. Seas boiled under lasers designed to discharge lightning storms, orgone energy flowed to the cloudburst systems and underground rivers were redirected into the red hot geothermal power plants of their tormentors.

The Lost Tuath lasted three days of boiling steam and ceaseless hurricane winds before the sudden dumping of freezing water into their geothermal plants shattered the city, tearing it apart in artificial earthquakes as the plants ruptured. To this day, the city has never been rebuilt, a testament to why one should not assume unwillingness to fight is the same as incapability.

Still working out a name for this thing.

vapid fossil
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How about something like the Dagda Tuatha

barren pendant
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Heh, I'll figure something out. Names are just a thing I'm really weak at. XD

vapid fossil
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Something borrowing from dagda might be fun and also fits this i think. Wise, all about seasons , fertility and agriculture. But at the same time using the machines to manipulate/control nature has a big druidic vibe too

barren pendant
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Oh yeah, just trying to avoid naming after gods because of the whole 'Lancer names NHPs after them'. But it's a good idea for a starting point.

vapid fossil
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nod nod

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Hmm. Tuatha of the Club (altough lorg mór prob makes for a killer exotic hmm)

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And prob still to god adjacent

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also sry if the spitballing is not actually helpful

rustic root
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I mean do you have names for the other Tauths yet?

barren pendant
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So far only one of them. Conchobar. And maybe the one for Ironleaf Foundry in the Ironleaf Collective (As they're more of a small alliance of minor mining/engineering ones)

rustic root
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You could try expanding the pattern of the existing ones?

barren pendant
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Yeah, that's my thoughts.

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I'll likely go with 'mythological people from Irish mythology' for the ones that are singular groups.

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And the Ironleaf Collective and the Orbital One I'm Still Naming get distinct names because they're alliances without a single leader

rustic root
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There needs to be a McCool tauth then

barren pendant
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Hahahah, there's actually a group based on him that's going to get covered but they're not a Tuath.

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Because I couldn't write this without having a Fianna group 😛

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Which is going to focus a bit on an aspect of Union's philosophy.

rustic root
barren pendant
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Basicly: Union tend to lean heavily on 'Interventionism is generally a bad thing' and I was wondering if having a group who are not antagonistic but do disagree with that idea would be terrible. Anarchists who believe that to not act is itself a decision made to support the oppressor. That going 'Well, by playing the long political game we'll make things better in a few generations' puts you in the position of 'Okay, now you need to justify that to the generations you're sacrificing right now, because they don't get that choice'.

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Part of my pondering is that Milisea lives in the shadow of Piston 1. It was the foundational event that led to the planet being colonized. And like...there is no Long View Solution to that. Stopping Piston 1 would have absolutely cost lives and might have been a complete failure even if they had tried...but because no one tried, a planet is already dead. It just doesn't know it yet.

rustic root
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I honestly don't know how Piston 1 is even supposed to work

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Way too easy for someone to fumble a decimal somewhere and miss by 30 years

barren pendant
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Hahahah

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But yeah, the plan is basicly to have the Fianna as a very 'Hey, while you're planning your perfect future several generations from now, people are suffering right this minute you're choosing not to help' Anarchist group 😛

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Because we can't have just the Albatross turning up to randomly fight assholes.

violet island
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A thought on the lore that might be unclear, I can go digging for the receipts, but Piston-1 despite having one name, is actually like thousands of self guiding giant metal needles, rather than one big one

fading jewel
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Mircalla can trigger on friendly invades right?

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@empty kraken

empty kraken
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Mmhm

fading jewel
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Thanks!

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Very nice

violet island
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daemonology, does it need los

barren pendant
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To lay the mines, yes. Past that you can wander off

violet island
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oh sry, i forget the name, but the targeting the big meteor ability

barren pendant
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Oh, that system

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No

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Drop them anywhere

violet island
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huh ok, bit of a snafu on my part, i was understanding to work like othe valid targeting of zones that sometimes only say within sensors, in that they still need to be able to see where they were placing the template

barren pendant
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Sorry it wasn't quite clear enough

violet island
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Nah I just made the wrong ruling, letting the player know so that we can get it right next session

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xD

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Just how it be

fading jewel
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A shame Temperance doesn't benefit from mine ranges

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No range 3 Daemonology Temperance mines 😔

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(Though I guess it's kinda fair since 2 invades on command without needing to invest in Systems is already very good)

fading jewel
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Huh

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Temperance only benefits from rank 3 of Demolitionist right?

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Like, does Quarterback give its mines range now??

rustic root
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I don't think so since it's not deploying them

fading jewel
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Damn

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So it really only gets the benefit of Demo3

shrewd herald
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This might be cheeky but..

The Assault/Battery effect on the Celeste license.. it says when an enemy would cause you to become engaged when it's not your turn.

So question:

Enemy attacks, misses, Ace Acrobatics goes off and I move 2 into an enemy and am engaged not during my turn

... did their attack cause my ability and thus cause engagement?

Did their existence cause engagement during "not my turn"?

Did my ability cause engagement?

Does Assault/Battery go off?

barren pendant
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That would still be your action, as you chose where to move with ace XD

shrewd herald
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I figured I just wasn't sure if because their missed attack caused my action there might be a loophole

barren pendant
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Alright, should have a chunk more of the Tuatha written up this afternoon/evening. I've got the basic frame of each of them sketched out, just about fluffing them out.

vapid fossil
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Lessggoo

little wadi
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Hey, I’m trying to make an Erebus hand canon build

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Anyone have ideas ?

obtuse willow
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not an erebus hand cannon build but I do have a long overdue update to the ironleaf LCP featuring the most recent round of changes, the denting iron change I missed, and now including all the exotics

ping me if anything seems wrong or missing, as usual

📎 ironleaf-foundry_1.0.5.lcp
little wadi
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Oh cool !

barren pendant
empty kraken
little wadi
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I was thinking about that

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Toku erebus could be funny

naive iris
fading jewel
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Damnit my joke got swiped

naive iris
# 
[ LICENSES ]
  MO & S HOLIDAY 2, MO & S CELESTE 3, MO & S RASPUTIN 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Reinforced Backup Systems, Ultra-Hardened Chassis
[ TALENTS ]
  VANGUARD 3, WALKING ARMORY 3, GREASE MONKEY 3
[ STATS ]
  HULL:2 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:6
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:19 ARMOR:1
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:12 REPAIR:8
  TECH ATK:-1 LIMITED:+3
  SPD:4 EVA:8 EDEF:6 SENSE:10 SAVE:14
[ WEAPONS ]
  Main/Aux Mount: EREBUS Hand Cannon / Wristgun
  Main/Aux Mount: EREBUS Hand Cannon / Wristgun
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Bermuda Propulsion System, PERSONALIZATIONS, BACKOFF Propellant Additive, MUTINY Targeting System, ADVISOR Suite```
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I made this build ages ago

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trying to use only MO&S stuff, or at least as much as I could

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probably would find a way to get arm redundnacy in it now

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maybe an integrated wristgun

fading jewel
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Hmm, Speaking of Celeste, does Queen Anne's Revenge really only trigger on movement that leaves threat? Not any other movement to enter or move within threat?

little wadi
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I did realize, if you have knockback in a Celeste, you can barrage, the Erebus and a decksweeper for example, and barrage your other Erebus on the second main/aux on another target since your first is probably dead

fading jewel
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I tried to make a cool threat 5 OW platform Celeste but realized Plasma Wakizashi worked really well on it and oh whoops I made another 7 attacks per turn 50+ damage single target melee striker

little wadi
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Plasma is a dope idea too

stoic gulch
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What does the Envy do? One of my players is really attracted to it due to it's uhhh, Scan focus

barren pendant
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It's a support who makes enemies Less Effective.

barren pendant
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The Envy is devastating to High Value Targets.

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Elites/Ultras/Veterans hate it.

carmine nymph
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Then you add the fact that it can drop big penalties to enemy tech actions, and its in-license trickster hacking, and you have a recipe for my playtest group having someone play “bird is the word” on their phone about every thirty minutes

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(This was on Munin’s previous form, though, had to kill that one since it was simultaneously_ too good_ and completely suicidal)

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But yeah. At heart, the Envy is a support tech frame that gives you all the information and makes both yourself and your buddies way harder for singular strikers to take down

barren pendant
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Ironically, Too Much Data sorta hurts it.

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As a Grunt-Heavy Composition will outpace it's ability to shut down NPCs

carmine nymph
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Fun fact: the idea for the frame's themes and drawbacks came during a class I had to take on data retention and storage policies

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Other fun fact: the GLBA is hard to comply with if you're taking it all the way down to brass tacks

barren pendant
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GLBA?

carmine nymph
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Graham-Leech-Bailey Act. American banking regulations

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AKA part of my day job when I'm not slinging mechs 😄

barren pendant
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Ah, fun

stoic gulch
halcyon thorn
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So I've been playing the Jack recently and
What sort of weak point is it supposed to have? What does it struggle against?
So far I've kind of just been hitting dudes with Victim and then killing them

rustic root
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That sounds like what you're supposed to do tbh

barren pendant
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So an enemy that can escape it penalizes it until it finally gets them.

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It handles foes that can Hit and Run or those that duck behind a bulky defender, making them hard to catch rather poorly as a result.

halcyon thorn
# rustic root That sounds like what you're supposed to do tbh

This is true, but what I'm trying to say is
I kind of feel like I'm steamrolling everything
Our group was talking about the whole 'you've got to focus fire' thing but I've never really had trouble with that
Since you can pick and choose your victim
(And also since I have Skirmisher, Hunter, and the Paragon Blades so I can hit a dude from like 20 spaces away if needs must)

barren pendant
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For NPCs, hiding can screw it over pretty hard.

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Sensors all of 5.

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So if its victim runs off and hides, the Jack needs to chase them/break the hidden or it doesn't have a Damage Feature.

halcyon thorn
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Ohh, that's a good idea

barren pendant
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But yeah, design-wise the intent was that it monofocuses to such a degree that it can hurt it. Enemies can use it for cover (So enemies grouping up around it can often have shots against them penalized for your allies) and once its picked a target it can't change it.

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You can Lock On + Stab other people but that's a fair bit of action economy to hit Normal Striker Skirmish Damages.

halcyon thorn
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The upside is that I can use Exemplar 3 on every attack I make without sweating it
Burn your ships

barren pendant
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On the design-front it's also designed to not really play 100% perfectly with your stats.

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It's got a good E-Defence but no hacking. Good speed but poor evasion.

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Spending stats doesn't get you quite as good a return as mechs that are good in both areas a stat improves.

halcyon thorn
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I've been investing mostly in Hull
Since its base speed is fairly high and its Evasion is poor I've just decided to soak yeah
And Engi.... mostly to support the solais but also anti-hacking yeah

barren pendant
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nods

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I hope that explaination helps at all? Apologies if it's not enough.

little wadi
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Do the morgana mines count as mines for the sake of all possible shenanigans?

barren pendant
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They are Mines, yes!

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Though they're not Deployed in the normal way, so some things don't work so well with them.

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Like you can't get 2 of them for free with an Iskander whenever you quick action deploy a mine 😛

little wadi
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So an avarice gets to keep setting them off each round ?

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Also will the invade deal half heat ?

barren pendant
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Yes and Yes.

little wadi
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Dats pretty cool 🙂

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Thanks, I look forward to trying to break this lol

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What about carmilla’s unstable reactor invade, the secondary effect of dealing 2d6 damage on a stress, is that halved as well?

barren pendant
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Yes

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Since it's part of the invade

little wadi
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Makes sense

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So we will move away from heat and towards making peoples day terrible

barren pendant
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Yeah, the Avarice wants to play harder on Control

little wadi
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I shall mull over what evil this shall commit

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Thanks for the information

obtuse willow
barren pendant
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I don't...think so.

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Though that will be one for @carmine nymph

obtuse willow
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off the top of my head I don't think it works either but it would be funny

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if, like, objectively ass

little wadi
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I mean, you’d get to do something like aoe Jam from horos1

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Or smite and just explode lol

barren pendant
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Hmm...do you think 'The planet's primary omninet uplink + art exhibit' is an interesting thing to write about for IF's 'weird things on planet'?

rustic root
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what's weird about it?

barren pendant
rustic root
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Mmm, I'd probably rate that as low to medium weird

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primarily notable for the art piece I think, so if the art itself is interesting enough to be notable on a planetary scale sure, but otherwise eh?

barren pendant
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nods

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Bother. Trying to design a few things tht get across the Vibe of the planet.

vapid fossil
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would agree with deviljho

barren pendant
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...back to the drawing board, I suppose.

fading jewel
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....Wait SS2 triggers Celeste's Overwatch

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Building a Celeste and learning rn that there are like 50 different ways I can trigger OW

halcyon thorn
fading jewel
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Wait just to make sure, does Queen Anne's Revenge count moving to another space within threat as leaving threat?

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Like can I do a mythical Servo Gauntlet into Plasma Wakizashi combo

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Er, @empty kraken, sorry for the ping

empty kraken
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Gut check says no but I'm admittedly not sure on the RAW

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If this were D&D you could run around within threat without ever provoking

fading jewel
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"The Celeste can Overwatch against any enemy whose movement would leave the threat of one of its weapons, even if that movement would normally not provoke reactions."

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Is the RAW

empty kraken
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Nah, not on Celeste. On threat

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I don't know if Lancer considers threat to be one area, or individual spaces

fading jewel
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Ah I see

empty kraken
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That is, if threat is an aura (that you shouldn't leave) or a check (of a given hex)

fading jewel
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Well, what's your read on it as the creator? Should the Celeste be able to OW with any movement within threat or only specifically movement that makes the target leave threat?

empty kraken
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So this might be an Ikiryo or Psybomb kinda question unless we've got another expert on tap

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My gut feeling is the aura read

fading jewel
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So it should only specifically be movement that leaves threat?

empty kraken
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Aye. But! Again! Do not take my word on this as the solid gold

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I am one cup of coffee deep and this is the kinda deep RAW read that I rely on my co-authors for

fading jewel
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Eh, RAI is more valued than RAW I think

mossy lotus
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Lancer never really gives a concrete answer on the intent, as there's nothing that cares about leaving threat - just if you start a move within threat. Vanguard's the only one that cares about movement 'within' threat, and that triggers on every space.

One thing I do say is that doing a "leaving the outer bounds of threat for triggering leaving movement" does have the weird thing where it can make your threat less effective by having more of it - and lancer doesn't tend to have stuff like that.

halcyon thorn
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I read it as
If you have threat 3, they need to go 4 away

fading jewel
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Same, just needed to make sure it was the RAI too

mossy lotus
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But that sort of thing is probably more balanced than effectively give vanguard.