#Field Guide To Liminal Space

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barren pendant
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Yeah. It lost some of the 'weirder uses' to hopefully be better at the more conventional uses.

wide pier
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That's healthy imo

barren pendant
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Yeah, it would be kinda boring if you just sat on it all battle waiting for structure rolls.

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I want this to be freely spent

wide pier
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why waste it on accuracy when you can use it on a structure roll, right?

barren pendant
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Exactly

fading jewel
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Or Recharges yeah

wide pier
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Or invis rolls

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The earmarked 'make this change in case of too much alpha striking' that's not currently done but might end up happening is 'only start with 1-2 but you get 1 more at the start of each round'.

wide pier
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Mhm.. I don't think that's necessary? It doesn't increase the ceiling, just the floor

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and it's still random how high the rolls are in the first place

barren pendant
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Yeah, hence me not doing it currently

wide pier
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offensively you want high rolls, right?

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And really, if you get lucky with the 5 D6's for this system, is that really that much different than getting lucky with the 5 D6's it replaces?

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It skews RNG in your favor, but not by a huge amount, I think

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compared to the average result

barren pendant
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Yeah. That and I think 'No, your turn is my turn' is a very tempting core power. Being basicly an Instant Osiris.

wide pier
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Oh you changed it to be 1 turn only instead of 2

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gasp

barren pendant
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Sorry mate 😛

wide pier
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I don't know how to feel about this betrayal

barren pendant
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'Stealing an entire turn and making it yours, no-save' is still plenty good 😛

wide pier
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for a core power? maybe!

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It's like a stun and the capabilities of said character in one

fading jewel
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If it's still a bit undertuned you could make it "Until the start of their next turn" then you don't get to control two whole turns but at least they can't pull reaction shenanigans on you

wide pier
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Oh I like that

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that's much better since a bunch of NPCs rely on reactions

barren pendant
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That's fair

fading jewel
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Yeah, and you could even potentially use that enemy's reactions on their own allies

wide pier
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I would definitely try to cram this onto my sisyphus builds. My kind of playstyle

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Cauldron of Plenty
Very rare even on Milesia, the Cauldrons of Plenty are powerful nanotech printers unconnected from Union's network. Nearly impossible to replicate, they are capable of producing vast quantities of medical supplies, ammunition and repair material at a moment's notice. To Union's great shock however, they are capable of the one thing that no other printer is yet capable of and something that was thought impossible: Food printed by the Cauldron is delicious.

3 SP, Exotic, Unique
You have the Extra Rations pilot gear in addition to any others. When you or another allied character in Range 5 Stabilizes or when an allied character Rests, they can be restored to 1/2 of their maximum HP without spending a Repair. Gain the Feast of Heroes Free Action.

Feast of Heroes
Active (1CP), Free Action
Choose any number of characters in Range 50. Non-mech characters are restored to full HP, while Mech characters may immediately make any quick action of their choice as a reaction.

How does the Cauldron of Plenty seem? it's designed to be a much more dedicated Support Alternative, that messes gently with the Repair Economy..

fading jewel
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Hmm, wondering how much use being restored to 1/2 HP is as that seems to be near the point you'd want to stabilize HP anyways, but that'd be good on OCloop builds and other Stabilize heavy builds

wide pier
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I'm not sure how useful 1/2 of max hp really is. If you're below that it's generally better to spend a repair anyway. That said, it's a 3 Sp system so mhm...

The Feast of Heroes... seems really broken with the free quick action on top?

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The problem I have with feast of heroes is that to get the most out of it you want your allies at low HP, but you can't afford to wait for a situation like that.

fading jewel
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I was about to recommend a version that makes it a rest benefit then realized I just described NAPTIME lol

wide pier
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As such, it might be better off as a reaction? Mhm

fading jewel
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Hmm

wide pier
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Or something that's used after they actually lose structure or the like

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because right now it feels more like an offensive core with some healing strapped on

fading jewel
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Could remove the Stabilize clause and just make it so that when your party rests all of your mechs restore 1/2 of their full HP(rather that being restored to 1/2 HP) with no repairs

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Or at that point even full HP

wide pier
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Wait, hold up

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I missed the stabilize part of the passive

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That changes a lot

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I like that one a lot, actually, the passive.

fading jewel
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The restored to 1/2 health with no reps on a Stabilize?

wide pier
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yeah

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on top of the up to 1/2 on rest which is more niche

barren pendant
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The 1/2 on rest is mostly just to stop people sandbagging fights 😛

granite idol
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so is this cauldron and founding stone stuff for a new thing or just a future update?

barren pendant
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'Look, you get it, no need to go stand in a circle before the fight ends'

wide pier
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My only issue is the active core for it

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granite idol
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I'm sorry, it's very early and I'm very easy to misinterpret things. Is Ironleaf Foundry a future thing?

fading jewel
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Though I'm not sure how a printer allows your allies to do more stuff, I think giving it an action might be fair yeah

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granite idol
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Thank you, sorry for asking twice but I need to be sure 🙂

wide pier
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It's looking very good so far 😌

fading jewel
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There was that other hombrew corp but the 1/2 dueling frame vibes won out lol

granite idol
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my autism sometimes is rough to deal with comms wise

fading jewel
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Oh don't worry it's fine

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Asking twice is normal

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(I mean, I didn't even realize you asked twice lol)

barren pendant
granite idol
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Look, I'll just be blunt, i REALLY do forget how... Accepting lancer's discord is AS A WHOLE to neurodivergent quirks

fading jewel
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You drown your enemies in food slowing them down lol

barren pendant
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I'm Autistic myself and if anyone's a jackass over that I'll bitch them out (Or throw them out) myself 😛

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granite idol
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well, it's less being a wangrod, and more the casual ableism you just find from uninformed normies

fading jewel
barren pendant
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An Unbeatable Spear and a Fabled Sword are a lot easier to design for a mech game than a Cauldron and a Stone.

wide pier
fading jewel
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ADHD rep here 😌

granite idol
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so about Feast of Heroes

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granite idol
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would it be absolutely broken if for that Core Power, the quick action used also gave an ACC ONLY to that quick action?

fading jewel
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Could also make Feast of Heroes a power up yeah

wide pier
fading jewel
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You gain OS and extra damage because the food was just that good

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Basically a knock-off Sagarmatha CP at this point but yeah

granite idol
fading jewel
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I mean, sure, but powercreep most of the time isn't a good thing

wide pier
barren pendant
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The tricky thing is 'Sag Core' and 'Lancaster Core' yeah.

fading jewel
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Yeah

wide pier
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Oh

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So, repairing a destroyed mech is super expensive, right?

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What if...

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👀

fading jewel
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Well Lanny's CP doesn't give OS or +1d6 damage so

wide pier
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You pull out a fresh mech from the cauldron

fading jewel
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Oh?

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Lmao pulling out a fresh new fit from the pot

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TBH a CP that can only be used during rests does sound pretty cool and unique

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Basically a buffed version of Grease Monkey 3 for the cost of a CP

wide pier
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I was thinking it could be used mid-combat too though

fading jewel
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Oh fair

wide pier
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But it's a rough concept

barren pendant
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(Hillariously, that was the original version but people were very iffy on it)

granite idol
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still shudders at my friend's Star Anise from Castor & Pollux that creates invincible concrete pillow forts around objectives and holdout zones

fading jewel
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Oh lmao really?

wide pier
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amazing xD

wide pier
granite idol
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It invalidates like half of the sitreps XD. Though I second the idea that an out of combat CP would be unique. I don't see why folks would be iffy on it myself

barren pendant
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Active (1 CP), Full Action
You or one allied character within 50 is restored to full HP, Structure and Reactor Stress and may clear all heat, repair all destroyed systems and clear all conditions and statuses they are currently suffering other than those caused by their own systems, talents and traits etc. If their mech is currently destroyed or they are dismounted, they may immediately be mounted into the mech, which is placed in their current space (If there is no room for the entire mech, they are instead placed in the nearest free space) and no longer destroyed if it previously was.

Here it was!

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'You, Full Fucking Heal'

wide pier
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👀

fading jewel
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Ayo?

wide pier
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Full Revive

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I like it

fading jewel
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But a Rest CP-

wide pier
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No no, a pilot with a stealth suit sneaks over to the enemy... and then their ally uses the cauldron on them, spawning back their barbarossa :V

barren pendant
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clearly I make it a Start of Battle CP where you just swap the mission type to Holdout, as the printer starts just Making A Solution to the current problem and the enemies need to stop you 😛

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(This is not serious)

wide pier
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Ha!

fading jewel
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You could use it to flood the battlefield with objects and stuff

wide pier
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That'd be hilarious though

fading jewel
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Drown em in printer spaghetti sauce

wide pier
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Laurel + Rangertail with MOI core + that CP = GM: "What is my purpose?"

granite idol
barren pendant
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Hahahah

granite idol
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Oh... OMG... he has to use every bit of his power to hold a cracking damn under tonns of water

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yoink

barren pendant
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But yeah, I'll ponder things. The Spear and Sword are going to take some Pondering to make them interesting but they're realatively easy compared to a Rock and a Cauldron 😛

fading jewel
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Instant Castle from the Cauldron....

granite idol
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thing is, there is a part of me that wants to suggest something outrageously dumb.

fading jewel
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Wait that's Kobold

granite idol
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but there'd be no way to balance it

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fading jewel
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Lmao

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Who's gonna clean this up

granite idol
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oh yeah that reminds me

barren pendant
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But yeah, I'll ponder some things. The Sword and Spear in this case are both rather mythical weapons but both have clear Identities.

granite idol
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I need to find crappy clip art of ramen ingredients for my metavault enemies

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barren pendant
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Let Him Cook: The Core Power.

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CORE ACTIVE - START A RESTAURANT

barren pendant
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Lugh obtained the Spear of Assal (Irish: Gae Assail) as fine (éric) imposed on the children of Tuirill Piccreo (or Biccreo), according to the short account in Lebor Gabála Érenn which adds that the incantation "Ibar (Yew)" made the cast always hit its mark, and "Athibar (Re-Yew)" caused the spear to return.

In a full narrative version called Aoidhe Chloinne Tuireann (The Fate of the Children of Tuireann), from copies no earlier than the 17th century, Lugh demands the spear named Ar-éadbair or Areadbhair which belonged to Pisear, king of Persia. Areadbhair's tip had to be kept immersed in a pot of water to keep it from igniting, a property similar to the Lúin of Celtchar. This spear is also called "Slaughterer" in translation.

It could be either a Flaming Spear or a spear that never fails to hit the mark but either way, the spear has some concrete identities to hook stuff on.

fading jewel
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Oh God I somehow misread that as "the spear has some concrete ingredients to cook stuff on" how the hell-

barren pendant
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And the sword is...well, it's pretty much the archetypal mythical sword.

fading jewel
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Mhm mhm

granite idol
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I don't know your life, but I will happily suggest hydration, food, and sleep if you are feeling out of it 🙂 (speaking of, I needs water myself. HYDRATE BEFORE YOU DIEDRATE)

barren pendant
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Being the inspiration for excalibur

fading jewel
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Ohhhhh yeah

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I guessed as much

barren pendant
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That one I 100% know what I'm doing fluffwise.

fading jewel
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Big ol' Line 50 of death

wide pier
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The MOI Solaris is a Stolen Knockoff of the original relic 😛

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Because MOI's are very much Culture Vultures.

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'That's a nice historical artifact. We'll take it'

wide pier
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The best kind of vulture

fading jewel
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So is it gonna be a 3 tile wide line 50 of laser death or-

granite idol
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getting british museum vibes there.

barren pendant
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100%

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MOI are like 50% east india company, 50% british museum, both dressed up in 'oh, we don't do those bad things any more' (But we're not giving back anything we stole)

granite idol
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needs to write up an MOI salesman who ALSO just blantantly makes up their own cultural meaning to stuff to better sell it like the dinosaur bone wars

barren pendant
wide pier
barren pendant
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Likely Cone: Large.

fading jewel
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Oh yeah

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granite idol
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Cheap Knockoff, tsch
BEHOLD
50 CONE

barren pendant
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Hahaha, not that big.

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But big

wide pier
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skitters to corner

granite idol
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Front Towards Enemy indeed

fading jewel
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BEGONE, ONE-FOURTH OF THE MAP

barren pendant
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This being how it is though, it does make me pretty sure I don't want to focus on the Flaming Spear option for the spear.

wide pier
fading jewel
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Oh yeah I know lol

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I immediately thought of SPLIT HEAVEN AND HELL too

barren pendant
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And I'm thinking more the 'always hits its mark' aspect for the spear.

fading jewel
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Just steal that one CP from SAE

granite idol
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This is by no means a real suggestion, but what if, Spear Does teeny tiny damage on actual hit, but does more reliable damage on miss XD

barren pendant
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1 CP, Protocol
For the rest of the scene, this weapon always hits. Attacks are only rolled to determine if you crit.

😛

wide pier
barren pendant
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(Again, not really a serious idea)

fading jewel
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He made both homebrews it's (probably) completely fair

wide pier
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barren pendant
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Also: Yes, this is where Fate got 'Gae Bolg is Fated To Hit' 😛

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(Since the thornbush with skin aftermath version was a bit gorey for it to use)

fading jewel
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That weapon name still makes me giggle a bit but yes

granite idol
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see, I can think of a balanced way to do that.

for the next 1d3 attacks, you automatically hit, rolling attack dice to check for a critical. If you do hit a critical hit before you run out of allowed attacks, this core power is refunded.

barren pendant
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Hmm...hmmm

granite idol
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(well I won't say it's balanced, but I will say it's balanced to all the shenanigans my party already pulls)

fading jewel
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Could also make it ignore Invis and Hidden, and give it Reliable x

barren pendant
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...I think I know how I'll do 'never misses' for a core power.

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Big single target damage.

fading jewel
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Like the Gravity Spear?

barren pendant
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If the target saves, they suffer no effects but both the Core Power and the action are refunded

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(But No Repeats stops you spamming it until it hits)

granite idol
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makes sense

barren pendant
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If it would fail, no, you didn't use it.

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Because it always hits, so if you didn't hit you clearly didn't use it

granite idol
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I'm always a fan of Efficient or Psuedo-Efficient CPs

wide pier
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Something that plays nice with Universal Compatibility

barren pendant
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If the target saves or would be Immune to the effect, the core power and action are refunded.
fading jewel
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Oh actually, what are the sizes of both weapons?

barren pendant
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Not yet sure. One is going to be Main, the other Heavy.

granite idol
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bleh. I love you all but I'm headout. I had some vienna sausages for breakfast cause it's end of the month time and now I gots bologna burps.... >.<

barren pendant
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As I want an option for mechs without a heavy mount.

fading jewel
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Oh sweet I can put them both on one mech

barren pendant
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And an option for mechs with a heavy mount

granite idol
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(end of month meaning the awkward time between grocery monies)

wide pier
fading jewel
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Adios chief

barren pendant
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I'm not sure if I want the sword or spear to be the heavy currently.

wide pier
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I've been making some Heavy melee weapons for SSC and HA to fill some gaps. A Heavy weapon with burn would be especially nice for Shock Wreathe

fading jewel
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Me with both the Exotic Sword and Spear, Universal Compatibility, and really good luck(Sisyphus)

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I feel like the Spear is probably heavier than the sword

wide pier
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A spear can be very light, a sword can be very heavy. But you could have a glaive instead, and an arming sword

fading jewel
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Would also justify its extended Threat along with its other shenanigans

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But yeah I guess some spears can be light yeah

wide pier
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The heavy should be the weapon with burn, imo!

barren pendant
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That is likely the Sword.

wide pier
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Shock Wreathe goodness intensifies

barren pendant
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...hmm...I think I know what I'll do with the Spear.

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Make it a really good Throwing Weapon. You're paying SP, you can have a Better War Pike 😛

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Lugh obtained the Spear of Assal (Irish: Gae Assail) as fine (éric) imposed on the children of Tuirill Piccreo (or Biccreo), according to the short account in Lebor Gabála Érenn which adds that the incantation "Ibar (Yew)" made the cast always hit its mark, and "Athibar (Re-Yew)" caused the spear to return.
fading jewel
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...Accurate?

wide pier
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Hey iki, want to... see what I made for my own Spear?

barren pendant
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...actually, idea.

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Throwing, Arcing Melee weapon with that trait that the Saladin's gun has.

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'Can't suffer net difficulty on attacks'

fading jewel
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I mean, is the sword(it's based on) one-handed or?

wide pier
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Hm, can't easily copy paste it in spoiler text

barren pendant
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The sword can be either (the sword of light is in more myths than some gods, it's been basicly everything)

fading jewel
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Oh damn I see

barren pendant
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If two handed, I'm likely to make it a heavy claymore style blade

fading jewel
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Zweihander time

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Aetherstrand Javelin
Flavor 

Heavy Melee
1 SP
Accurate, AP, Thrown 8
Threat 2
1d6+1 kinetic damage
When you throw the Aetherstrand Javelin, you also attack all characters in a Line between you and your target. You may retrieve the Aetherstrand Javelin from any distance as a quick action. All characters in spaces between you and the weapon take 2 AP kinetic damage when you retrieve it.```
barren pendant
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Interesting

wide pier
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This felt like a good SSC heavy melee

barren pendant
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But yeah, I'll ponder some ideas. For now though: Sleepytime

wide pier
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Night Iki!

fading jewel
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Hope some good ideas come to you in a dream

granite idol
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I return with gas medication and swollen feet. How are you folks?

fading jewel
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Chillin

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Trying to brainstorm my Bridget mech more

granite idol
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i don't know if my GM will allow 3pp yet

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Does Gyrojet Pistol not seem somewhat OP?

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It's a better Stub Cannon on all accounts

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(Well, arguably except for damage but I think Reliable 1 is better than +1 average damage)

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Same thing with Rook MMG honestly

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It seems like a Kinetic Hammer -2 damage but with way better range and utility(being able to act just like 2 ARs), but I guess it's weighted a bit more differently with the existence of Executioner

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(And there's also the fact that Warthog from Suldan exists which while being only 1 LL lower is a lot worse than Rook, but that's a completely different homebrew so it's not as valid a point)

mild estuary
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No. Superheavies explicitly cannot be used to Overwatch. Otherwise you could Overwatch with an uncharged DD or an unspun Levi

fading jewel
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I'm pretty sure Overwatch just allows you to Skirmish as a reaction, the reason you can't OW with Sheavies is because normally you can't Skirmish with Sheavies

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So if you could Skirmish with a Superheavy, then you could Overwatch with it, assumedly that they trigger it of course

karmic gull
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yeah, because overwatch is specifically a skirmish, you could pop Tyrant 3 with it

mossy lotus
karmic gull
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because it's not "you can fire a superheavy weapon when you skirmish," it's "when you would skirmish, you can fire a superheavy instead"

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though either way, it looks like the talent is back on the grawing board

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Champion's Blade
When the Airgead Barrow was first opened, within its halls a quartet of swords were found. These barrowblades at first seemed to be nothing but a hilt and would be too large for an unaugmented human to hope to wield comfortably even if otherwise. However, during the attack by a hunting megafauna, a young defender in an exoskeleton grasped the handle of one of the swords when her own rifle was knocked from her hand. In this moment of danger, a dancing blade of shimmering rainbow light was revealed as thin as the gap between life and death itself.

Attempts to store the swords for long have proven rarely successful, the weapons being found again and again when the desperate and the hopeful need something to turn the tide. The one exception to this is a single sword, locked behind powerful metastatic barriers and sealed with chains of hereticode in the vaults of Magnum Opus Interstellar, stolen during the creation of the Blink Gate near Milisea. Attempts to reclaim the weapon legally are stymied in Union courts by the Corpostate's lawyers but the people of Milisea believe that one day even that blade will once more be free to defend those in need.

Main Melee
1 Heat (Self), Smart, AP, 2SP, Exotic, Unique
Threat 1
1 Energy Damage + 5 Burn.
On Crit: One character in Line of Sight gains Overshield equal to your Grit.

Active (Requires Core Power): Heroes' Grace
Protocol
Gain (6 + 2x Grit, Maybe?) Overshield. For the rest of the scene, when an allied character in Range 5 and Line of Sight would suffer damage, if you have overshield, you can suffer the damage instead.

Third of the Exotics and the thing that MOI stole for the basis of their own weapon 😛

fading jewel
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Damn, no cone 51 Excalibur 😔

barren pendant
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Yeah, I ended up basing it more on the blade often turning up in myths as part of a quest or something to save the hero against a foe that otherwise couldn't be beaten.

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(Don't worry, the spear ended up with an AOE)

fading jewel
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NICE

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Anyways time to dual wield this with the MOI knock-off 😌

barren pendant
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The original is a better sword than the knockoff (It's got the On-Crit) but the MOI knockoff has a 1/scene extra shiny instead of a 'costs you core power' one.

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I hope the fluff seems interesting/justifies it being an Exotic?

wide pier
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Do I need to make it myself?! (I made one myself)

little wadi
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One day, we will have a first party HA frame with a heavy melee that does burn

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One day

fading jewel
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It'll also cost like 3 heat but yeah

wide pier
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at its core, the weapon reminds me of your other 2 Sp main weapon from LS

fading jewel
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What about OS that regens at the start of your turn?

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wide pier
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Yeah, but after it runs out it's dead in the water and feels awkward

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wide pier
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the nagging feeling of "if I had a way to get more OS I could keep using it"

barren pendant
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It's got the on-crit, though I'll admit that's not SUPER reliable.

wide pier
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The on-crit gives it to an ally, not yourself

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iirc unless specified otherwise you can't target yourself with those effects

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If it's intended to also work for yourself though? That'd solve my main issue with the core power

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I do think it might just be a... little overtuned, the base weapon

barren pendant
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That's why I went with 'one character' instead of 'one allied character'

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You're not your own ally but you are a character

wide pier
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"you or any allied character"

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is what's generally used in the core book iirc

barren pendant
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Yeah, that would be a bit more Clear

wide pier
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I'm worried the damage might be a bit high even considering the heat, but let me check some others just to be safe

fading jewel
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I mean, could also make it so that the OS comes back at the start of your turn, or even that you don't need the OS to retarget attacks

barren pendant
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The other one that's being done is the Spear, which has a Core Power but the spear itself is still being tinkered with a bit for how it works.

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Active (Requires Core Power): Ender of Armies
Full Action
Choose one hostile character in Range 10, ignoring line of sight. The Spear of Flame lashes out across a Line 8 area from the chosen character. Hostile characters in the affected area aside from the chosen character must pass an agility save or suffer 3 Burn. The chosen character suffers 3 Burn and 3 kinetic damage that cannot be reduced in any way for each character in the affected area, including itself.

The affected area is set ablaze with the spears passage for the rest of the scene. When a hostile character passes through the affected area or ends their turn within it, they suffer 3 Burn.

It does AOE damage.

fading jewel
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Ah so this is where MOI stole the line 8 Excalibur of death

wide pier
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Compared to the Torch, which deals 1d6 energy + 3 burn with overkill and 2 heat gen for an average of 4 + 3 burn, this sword deals 1 AP + 5 burn for 1 heat. So much less heat, more reliable, more burn, with the AP making up for the 1 lower damage even on the initial hit.

It's better than the Torch, damage-wise, with the 2 SP paying for the on-crit and core power. I think it should lose a little bit somewhere

barren pendant
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Maybe! I'll ponder things there.

wide pier
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(Nimue Blade is, btw, one of my favorite weapons in the game)

fading jewel
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Could also lose the heat and some damage just to go all in on the OS gimmick

wide pier
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Yeah, but no on-crit effect

barren pendant
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It has the On-Crit, which the Solais lacks, yeah

wide pier
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or add another point of heat gen

fading jewel
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Yeah so maybe just a more defensive version of Claiomh Solais

barren pendant
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Yeah, I might go with an extra point of heat.

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Or drop the damage a hair.

wide pier
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Either one of those works imo

barren pendant
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How does Ender of Armies seem for a 'if people grouped up, they're going to suffer?'.

fading jewel
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That's a lot less burn than Sword of Rainbow Light

wide pier
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I'll check later I need to check something else real quick

fading jewel
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For a CP no less

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True but it does a LOT more to one dude 😛

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Since the Primary Target suffers 3 Burn + (3 Kinetic x Number of People In Area)

fading jewel
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Hmm,

wide pier
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kinetic damage that can't be reduced in any way*

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But this seems fine? Line 8 means it's going to be hard to get that many characters in the line. Catch 4? Damn, lucky you!

barren pendant
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Yeah, a big part of the value went into 'only people in the AOE get the save, not the primary target. He just gets fucked'

wide pier
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(put this on an emperor to increase the damage by 33%)

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(change this to a heavy weapon to avoid that)

barren pendant
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Maybe. Would let me avoid nerfing it's stabby values relative to the MOI one 😛

wide pier
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😌

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Hope it has burn and threat 2+ (Shock Wreathe my precious)

barren pendant
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But yeah, gunna tinker around with the base weapon for the spear, as I want it to be Arcing + Thrown but the specifics are up for tinkering.

wide pier
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Fun story; I made a Metalmark alt without a heavy weapon instead

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Arcing + throwing would feel fitting with the core alt

barren pendant
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Yeah, mostly just got to figure out the exact values for stuff.

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(And I do hope the fluff for the blade works)

wide pier
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Throwing 8-10, AP, Kinetic, burn, arcing

All of those values can be tied to the core alt you made

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I'm terrible with fluff, but I'll have a look

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"Attempts to store the swords for long have** rarely proven** successful" switched order of those two words

barren pendant
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nods

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Good catch

wide pier
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Hmm, I feel this could have a tad more ties to paracausal and less myth. But that's likely our personal preferences clashing

barren pendant
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Yeah, that one is very much a personal preference thing. I'm trying to lean a bit more into Myth and Personal Connections with the Exotics rather than just 'Biggest, most high tech'

wide pier
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Yeah, I do like the mythical aspects, but I like to tie in a hint as to what causes it in some way. A tie to paracausal entities or events or the like. Anyway, it looks good

halcyon thorn
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I bet the Champion's Blade will be a monster on White Witch
Brace to give itself OS with the core up, the WW can keep its armor without it rolling over since its using the alt core
The heat is a small problem but not a massive one in a post-CHESS world

barren pendant
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...okay, so Dragonkid is doing the latest season of Mechanics Brewery and has said I can enter an Ironleaf Foundry mech.

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The tricky part: Working out which one.

rustic root
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Clover!

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I vote Clover!

fading jewel
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Scilla because it's a literal spaceship which is funny
Rose since it's kinda the premier frame of the corp(I think?)
Or Rowan because THE TOWN INSIDE ME-

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Oh wait no Lily is the premier frame of the corp right?

barren pendant
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...actually, I know why Rose.

fading jewel
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Oh?

barren pendant
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Rose because it currently has both base art and a splash page art 😛

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And youtube is visual 😛

fading jewel
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Ah lmao

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Valid

barren pendant
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Speaking of which: The Rose did get a couple of minor tune ups based on feedback.

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The Polyfilament Kusarigama got +1 Threat added to the 'during your turn, expanded theat'

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And the Dancing Shadow Module got a bit less 'double or nothing' (But still very much an element of it)

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In addition, when you Brace, you can attempt a final dodge. If you do, roll 1d6. On a 4+, the triggering attack automatically misses. Otherwise, you are hit as normal, expending the Brace but gaining no effects of it.

If you fuck up and just Eat Shit, you get no effects of the brace (Positive or Negative) instead of only eating the negative.

covert iron
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Is it meant to stack with invisible?

barren pendant
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It's supposed to be it's own thing. As brace stacks with invisible.

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It's turning the 50% damage resistance gives into '50% chance for no damage, 50% chance for all the damage'

empty kraken
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I went ahead and submitted the WATER

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A Friend

GEN-CO_WATER_by_Domochevsky.png
fading jewel
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Mmmmm, hydration

covert iron
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wardur

fading jewel
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Monomania Clover 😌

barren pendant
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Potential Redo of the Iron Crown core bonus.

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Putting picture instead of just text because it's got a Table.

wide pier
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I feel the payoff is still fairly small

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5-6 is fine, mind

barren pendant
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I dunno, not being Stunned any more is a pretty big increase in 'not going to turn one structure into another structure'

wide pier
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You're paying a core and aside from no impaired and a less grievous stun, you get the same penalties but with a marginal upside

granite idol
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I like the upsides myself. And I know three of my players would swap to this immediately

wide pier
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So 2-4 and multiple 1s could use some more juice imo

barren pendant
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Hmm...I might make 2-4 a flat +4 bonus damage instead of 1d6. To give it more Consistancy but not more overall power.

wide pier
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I think it can afford more power.

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It's bonus damage that only applies if you got structured, and not like you're going to use it on your main gun

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The way I look at this core bonus is this: it gives a random bonus when you get structured of which you have no say over. Each of the bonuses should hold enough power to be worth that on their own since you only get one at a time, and then a little bonus on top because it's random.

granite idol
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I argue that some players, myself included actually, would enjoy core powers that are more passive and use less active planning

calm prism
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I mean I'd argue the 5-6 result on this table is fuckin sick

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and worth the price of admission by itself

wide pier
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I like 5-6 and 1 as well, but I think the other results need to be on par with those

wide pier
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Perfection of Skill
“Really, who’s going to stop me? You?” - Ceridwen, Albatross Lancer
Core Bonus
You gain +1 Accuracy on Non-Weapon Melee and Ranged Attacks. In addition, you have Resistance to damage from Grunts and Subordinates.

Perfection of Skill also got a tinkering with as basicly nobody liked the 'when you get taken out you can Do Some Real Nonsense' option so now it makes you resistant to Minions 😛

wide pier
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I like this

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I was just ignoring the previous option, but this is just fun

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That said, the previous one feels like it could be a kind of power at a cost option? Not sure where in a book you'd put that

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(Clearly the grunts just need to fragsig you since you don't get resistance to heat!)

granite idol
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Is subordinate a new thing?

barren pendant
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It's 'non-template grunts' basicly, yeah. I've done a couple of them.

wide pier
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They're a nice way to have less lethal but tougher chaff

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Specifically designed around the chaff role

barren pendant
wide pier
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Comes with their own themesong "diggy diggy hole"

barren pendant
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Not that sorta digger 😛

wide pier
barren pendant
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Digger is a slang term for Australian Soldiers, as our first major was was WW1.

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So it's designed as a very 'Poor Bloody Conscript' sort of NPC

calm prism
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Yup

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Called that to this day, too

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The Price Of A Mile
Trait
When the Digger is destroyed, roll 1d6. On a 4+, instead of leaving a wreck it leaves a size 1 Flag object with Evasion 5 and 5/8/10 HP. This object counts as an allied character for objectives and control zones until destroyed.

So it's a very Plays To Objectives Subordinate.

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As I've been pondering including my Subordinates in for the NPCs of Liminal Space.

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As having some Really Chaffy Enemies helps the more 'epic heroes' feel that IF tends towards.

calm prism
barren pendant
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It fucked my mental health for a day afterwards but got me really in the zone for making an NPC.

calm prism
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it is absolutely one way to set the tone

granite idol
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I've just been using conscripts with other npc readouts, though sometimes I take away their "two move in a turn"

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*loadouts

barren pendant
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I really liked how I did the Subordinate Controller. They're very much the 'guy with a gun' sort but they're super tunnel visions.

wide pier
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Damn, OK, that's pretty brutal

barren pendant
# 
Tunnel Vision
Trait
When the Watchdog Sights an area, it narrows its scope to unleash its firepower against any who enter that sightline. A non-hidden character entering a Sighted area for the first time in a round must pass an agility save or suffer 5/6/8 AP Energy Damage. If the Watchdog is jammed, stunned, destroyed or moves, even involuntarily, any areas it has Sighted are removed.

With various things Sighting areas of various shapes/sizes.

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Like the base thing being a Protocol that Sights a Line 10

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But it having a Cone 5 option too etc

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So it goes 'I don't have the situational awareness to be proactive but I can pick my firing line and if you walk in there, I'll open up'

karmic gull
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Ah, the 2fort battlements…

barren pendant
karmic gull
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Include an optional that forces anyone who kills them to wear an ugly hat

torpid viper
barren pendant
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Vaguely pondering if 'drones' should be added to it but pretty happy with it.

torpid viper
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... lets you do fun plays with tempests, nice f-you to engineers (but not perfect - they still hurt, and still have flack)... very on theme... I'd say go for it.

fading jewel
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Hmm, feel like the resistance should be on Perfection of Form instead as that feels like the defensive Core Bonus compared to Perfection of Skill's more offensive purpose

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Could always make it add damage to non-weapon attacks like OPCal

barren pendant
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True but I think Perfection of Form has a fair bit of spice as-is, while Perfection of Skill is the one that was lacking it a hair.

fading jewel
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Like, Rams, Grapples, ImprovAttacks, etc. now deal +2 or so damage

lapis sphinx
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Can the user of the Meatshield Protocol voluntarily apply involuntary movement to an enemy that would cause it to no longer be engaged (Knockback, Ferrous Lash, etc)?

lapis sphinx
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Also, how do Sticky Charges interact with Hunter 2?

karmic gull
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must be reloaded before either profile can be used again (instead of being retrieved like most thrown weapons).

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reads to me like it doesn't, tbh

karmic gull
severe spoke
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can the amakusa fight the other intangible guy?

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like with his CP

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2 intangible units can they fight each other only?

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not sure how that works

mossy lotus
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Intangible characters can interact with other Intangible characters.

barren pendant
severe spoke
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badass catJAM

barren pendant
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The Amakusa puts himself and the person who hurt his friends in the Timeout Box

severe spoke
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this means this never misses?

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barren pendant
severe spoke
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well what does roll to hit mean? abit confused

barren pendant
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Sorry, this one ended up with a slightly annoying wording due to how lancer does timing.

barren pendant
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For another example the Ace's Barrel roll is a reaction that is 'No, that attack missed'.

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It won't work on a crit PPC shot

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I hope that makes sense?

severe spoke
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oh got it

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so roll first and if u crit the effect doesnt matter

barren pendant
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Yeah

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The general idea is: 'On Crit: No, I Fucking Hit'

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Overiding effects that would steal the hit from you

karmic gull
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on crit: nat 20

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:p

rustic root
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PPC is probably my favorite weapon in the game NGL

barren pendant
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Hmm...got to write 2-3 paragraphs about 'who are IF' and then I can send the Rose off to the Mechanic Brewery.

karmic gull
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"imagine if the Irish lived in space and thought they were smarter than you"

barren pendant
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Bah 😛

severe spoke
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-- MOI NIMUE @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
HA Tokugawa 2, MOI NIMUE 3, HORUS Pegasus 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
Superior Logistics, Overpower Caliber
[ TALENTS ]
Nuclear Cavalier 3, Duelist 3, Pankrati 2, Grease Monkey 1
[ STATS ]
HULL:0 AGI:0 SYS:2 ENGI:6
STRUCTURE:4 HP:9 ARMOR:1
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:12 REPAIR:3
TECH ATK:+3 LIMITED:+3
SPD:5 EVA:10 EDEF:12 SENSE:5 SAVE:14
[ WEAPONS ]
FLEX MOUNT: Precognitive Scimitar
MAIN/AUX MOUNT: Claíomh Solais / Paragon Blade
MAIN/AUX MOUNT: Torch / Paragon Blade
[ SYSTEMS ]
Féth Fíada, Hunter Lock, Deep Well Heat Sink

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messing with the Nimue

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I want to exaclibur people

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with the rainbow sword

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O I forgot to change the core bonuses

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need to swap em out a bit

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superior logistics from suldan seems really usefl

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once per scene 3 lock on

wide pier
barren pendant
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/11e3ajbNTLkIH3ZGAB7nAXmMs-izmAUS5PLBzhdb3roc/edit?usp=sharing How's this look for a quick overview of who Ironleaf Foundry are? Getting the Rose prepped for the Mechanic Brewery Contest.

Google Docs
IF Rose

IRONLEAF FOUNDRY The order had been given. For the sake of Union, a world would die. The First Committee was ended, PISTON 1 was launched and billions not yet born were sentenced to death. There were some in the Union Space Program who could not stomach this decision. The so-called cost paid for ...

wide pier
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Hmm

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I feel it lacks a bit of emphasis on what they are, compared to how much focus the intro has on how they got there

barren pendant
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That's fair.

barren pendant
# 
A Peek Behind The Curtain
This part isn’t really part of the formal IF Rose document/won’t be in the final thing but I wanted to lay some stuff out with theming as I’m a worrier about the theming with just the Rose on it’s own

The overall theme of Ironleaf Foundry is Celtic Mythology, in particular the Invasion Cycle and the  Cattle Raid of Cooley. It’s about playing a Larger Than Life Figure who acts more like a hero out of myth than a person with feet of clay. Living well and dying well. As a result, a lot of their stuff is about being Risky (The Solstice Knight reaction being powerful but uncertain to always work, Iron Crown applying when you get hurt, Orbital Drop Training letting you get dangerously ahead of your allies).

A lot of the inspiration from Ironleaf Foundry comes from stories of the Tuatha Dé Danann standing against the World-Poisoning Gaze of Balor or Cú Chulainn facing down an entire army. Also, if I may be frank, a bit of the Battletech Clans. It’s hard to avoid some influence from them when you’re making ‘Wow, you guys all suck. We’re going off to make our own society with Cool Robots’.

Regards,
Ikiryo

Also wrote a bit of a section sorta explaining the general 'vibe' of IF, on top of me planning on redoing that intro bit.

severe spoke
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Darn

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Anyone got a good nimue build? For the rainbow blade spam max burn and damage

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Do u think soulstone is worth?

barren pendant
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The Servo Gauntlet lets you get long-range people up in your face or set them up for a good line with the Rainbow blade

barren pendant
severe spoke
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Can you increase the rainbow beam's damage?

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Or just the blade attack with nuc cav

barren pendant
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Just the attack. The beam is honestly already pretty damn powerful (Especially the Ongoing Shredded)

wide pier
severe spoke
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Fair nuff

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I wanna spam that as often and as hard as possible

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Bisect mechs and then set the remains on fire

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Super striker shenanigans

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For LL6, 1 amakusa, 1 pegasus for hunter lock

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What other LL would be good?

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Or instead of pegasus, 2 toku for the batteries

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Shame u cant run 2 ai, I wanna lucifer + rainbow blade

fading jewel
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Monomania on Nimue is a personal fav

severe spoke
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-- MOI NIMUE @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
HA Tokugawa 1, MOI NIMUE 3, HORUS Pegasus 1, MOI AMAKUSA 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
Overpower Caliber, Environmental Analysis Module
[ TALENTS ]
Nuclear Cavalier 3, Duelist 2, Pankrati 2, Gladiator 2
[ STATS ]
HULL:0 AGI:0 SYS:2 ENGI:6
STRUCTURE:4 HP:9 ARMOR:1
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:12 REPAIR:3
TECH ATK:+3 LIMITED:+3
SPD:5 EVA:10 EDEF:12 SENSE:5 SAVE:14
[ WEAPONS ]
FLEX MOUNT: Precognitive Scimitar
MAIN/AUX MOUNT: Claíomh Solais / Paragon Blade
MAIN/AUX MOUNT: Servo Gauntlet / Paragon Blade
[ SYSTEMS ]
Féth Fíada, Hunter Lock, External Batteries, Rapid Burst Jump Jet System

severe spoke
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could swap the tokugawa for that

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external bats is a bit risky for 1 extra threat

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also Idk whats better, duelist 3, glad 3 or pankrati 3

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all 3 are super flashy

barren pendant
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I'll admit, I don't know Gladiator well myself, so it's hard for me to judge XD

severe spoke
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custom move

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EXTREMELY custom move u can use once per scene

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or twice

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but extra heat is just nuclear cav bait

barren pendant
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Oh, that's very fun. I can see that being really good with the Very Fancy Sword, yeah.

severe spoke
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Throwing the fancy sword

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Is such a meme

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Tho

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Glad 3 seems great

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But idk what to cut for it... pankrati 2?

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Or risk it and cut nuc cav 3...

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Duelist is too good for easy prones

barren pendant
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Honestly, I can see sticking to Gladiator 2. The second use is nice but the extra options are not that key.

severe spoke
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The crit jam is spicy

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That crit can combo with brutal

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Tho

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Thats a fun idea

wide pier
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"Ironleaf Foundry is the premier manufacturer of Milisean technology, once Milisea learned about the end of Seccom and contact with Thirdcomm was re-established." Aaand then that sentence seems to cut off? What happened once contact was re-established?

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Other than that, this looks good!

lapis sphinx
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So does the copy of a weapon attack with Ptolemy keep the same accuracy and difficulty?

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Like, if I'm engaged when I shoot, is the mirror's attack at +1 cc_difficulty?

wide pier
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Nope

lapis sphinx
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So I can use it with Uncle?

barren pendant
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Theoretically, yeah, though the first shot will still have the difficulty.

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Basicly: The copied shot only cares about your state when it's fired

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Not when the original was

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As I don't want people to have to go 'Well, I've fired this three times...was I engaged 3 turns ago?'

halcyon thorn
#

'Diff Laundering' UNCLE shots with the blink mirror sounds.... fascinating

lapis sphinx
#

The big problem is that you're putting three levels into a license that doesn't give any energy weapons.

barren pendant
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The other downside I feel is that you're likely using UNCLE to fire your Main Gun.

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So yeah, you'll miss. But you could have hit 😛

barren pendant
obtuse willow
#

lcp update for IF

as always, if there are discrepancies between the doc and the LCP, the doc is correct and you should ping me

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disregard that because I just noticed that I forgot about the heat cost on shredder ribbons AGAIN

mossy lotus
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Somehow the heat cost deletes itself.

obtuse willow
#

I've already threatened iki with mysteriously not putting any poppy nerfs into the lcp

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🤫

barren pendant
#

Hahahahah

barren pendant
obtuse willow
rustic root
lapis sphinx
#

If you knock someone 5 squares into the air with the claymore buckler, do they take falling damage?

barren pendant
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(Though you can totally put them on top of a building they have no safe way to get down from)

karmic gull
#

rip to "auto crits flyers" gloriosa

steep hazel
#

.........wait, im just noticing it now, does the poppy not have art?

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oh! its just not in the doc, yea i coulda sworn there was

barren pendant
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Oh, I need to add it to the doc, whoops

steep hazel
#

Do we have like, a lore doc for Ironleaf foundry? :0
im curious

barren pendant
steep hazel
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i can wait till its more fleshed out! im a bit busy rn, so i probs wouldnt be able to set aside the time i WANT TO to read it, lol

barren pendant
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Alright, tossed the Rose into the Mechanics Brewery thread.

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Alongside the art for it

wide pier
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Excellent

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Wonder which, if any, frame Kai chose

barren pendant
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Not seen one from Kai yet. He might be a bit hesitant over 'Done First Party Work, Already Very Well Known'

fading jewel
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The Ironleaf Foundry is barely more than a hardsuit

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Hmm, typo?

barren pendant
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...it's missing the word 'Rose' there, yes.

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Good catch

wide pier
barren pendant
wide pier
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Ohhhh

fading jewel
barren pendant
# wide pier Ohhhh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ML79x4vo1s

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Welcome to Lancer Season 2, a Lancer HOMEBREW Series: Rasputin (Mar...

Ra, Ra, Rasputin! Russia's Greatest Immortal!

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Music:
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Well, minus the newly added alt-frames of course

wide pier
barren pendant
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMxwGEyEZTQ The Houdini video is one I'm still happy with but also one that I feel a bit awkward over as it's a video about a very early Houdini version that's not super accurate to how it ended up in LS.

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Welcome to Lancer, a Lancer HOMEBREW Series: Houdini (Magnum Opus I...

Here comes the first of many magic shows!

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wide pier
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ahhh

barren pendant
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See: Video happened before art was even got for it.

wide pier
#

makes me want to work more on my own homebrew, but last week was hell x.x

barren pendant
#

The Rasputin video holds up a lot better as it's much more of a 'this is how the thing ended up overall'

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But that's not remotely a knock at DK. More 'DK pointed out enough problems that parts got rewrites'

wide pier
#

still, I like that DK is getting more videos out

#

also, Iki

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should have just made perfect mechs that you don't need to change to begin with, would solve all issues!

void wadi
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those were a later inclusion

barren pendant
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Makes sense.

void wadi
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but I do feel like having had a whole series covering my stuff, it feels a little ungracious to try and petition for more spotlight time over other people

barren pendant
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Yeah, even my 'had one video for the Houdini' made me hesitant enough to ask DK directly if I should stay out of it (Though he did say I should enter, so I did in the end)

void wadi
#

I should probably just ask him, yeah

mossy lotus
#

Yeah. The worst that could happen is getting a "no."

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Well, I guess the worst that could happen is a "how did you get this number???", but...

fading jewel
#

The Alts were newer introductions

void wadi
#

I had to go back and check, it's been a while

barren pendant
void wadi
#

The Reaper Dart is the only one that currently has art for it which seems like a point in its favor, though I do think the Gajasura (the C&H Kalista alt-frame) has a lot going for it in terms of how its various components mesh together

barren pendant
#

Reaper Dart would be pretty cool.

wide pier
#

Reaper dart is something a lot of people will love, with ordnance being so disliked

void wadi
#

the actual comedy option would be to submit the Kangto Endochassis core bonus

wide pier
#

LOL

I'd love that xD

karmic gull
#

Submit something from that person who plagiarized you

wide pier
#

squeeze in some arcane (and super silly) synergy options like superheavy comet with Anni nexus (which only works in Kanto since comet has 3 mounts)

marsh silo
#

ack fuck this is what i get for backreading

#

right
i never did understand what all the intangible stuff on nimue/ptolemy was supposed to be for

barren pendant
#

Pushing some asshole into the shadow realm so he can't interact with stuff.

marsh silo
#

ok that makes some sense
just buying some time (through space, heh)

barren pendant
#

Yeah, the Nimue is a Shenanigans mech and the Ptolemy is very fragile if it starts coming under assault.

#

So the Nimue likes it more as 'hahah, fuck you' and the Ptolemy likes it as a 'Please go away, I don't want to get shot'

marsh silo
#

I have also been contemplating a more tech-focused ptolemy
20 sensors and useful tech systems could make for an interesting long-range support platform
Only concern is not getting good use out of the traits though

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discord why are super reactions so easy to accidentally send

barren pendant
#

Hahahah

#

Honestly, it doesn't get bad use out the traits even then.

#

Cutting Edge gives it +1 accuracy on the 'Get in the fucking shadow realm' opposed check

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And nothing stops you going Shoot + Hack as your turn.

marsh silo
#

haha true

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That feels like the main intention tbh

#

well that or a different quick

barren pendant
#

||Also, yes, the Ptolemy is like 50% a Yu Gi Oh Joke as a mech||

marsh silo
#

I have suddenly remembered just how busted shoot+hack is

#

due to carmilla 3 and that one gms core bonus existing

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Carmilla 3 can just turn any controller into a support if you’re willing to trade some versatility in sp

#

I would say its overtuned but then that would mean giving up on morgana oc-loop invading for a frankly ridiculous amount of effects at once

fading jewel
#

By GMS Core Bonus do you mean Suldan's Enhanced Systems Upgrade?

marsh silo
#

i think that was it
choose between +2 heat or another invade option right? (And +2 sp)

fading jewel
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Yeah

marsh silo
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Yeah that was a game changer

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The Morgana I don't think is quite overpowered but I think if I had the power to go back in time and edit her I'd make one small change.

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Swapping her damage from AP Energy to Burn. Which is better for general use but worse for Absolutely Maximizing Heat.

wide pier
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Buuuurn

marsh silo
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dear god

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But if anything i’d say it’s carmilla’s systems that might be overtuned, morgana just fits the playstyle of doing one tech really well

wide pier
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Mhm

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The ll3 systems maybe yeah

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As I found it promoted a really boring playstyle where any time you were doing things other than 2x Invade, you were Playing Her Wrong

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I wanted people able to mix her gun into their playstyle or to use Full Techs

marsh silo
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yeah that probably helped a lot

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Also helps oc-looping for even more heatgunning while clearing exposed like tokugawa, but not wasting some of the bonus

wide pier
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Was insane to get +6 heat a turn with oc

marsh silo
# wide pier The ll3 systems maybe yeah

Having both with enhanced systems upgrade really pushes the tech economy through the roof

Though you do lose a tone of options/versatility so it might be a worthy trade?

wide pier
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Mhm, Lil bit

marsh silo
wide pier
marsh silo
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I also then immediately got chunked cause i had to greed and didnt clear exposed lmao

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wide pier
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Yup, current design is much better

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I love how morgana can be played as a tanky support too

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You are now seeing btw the worst part of putting your work out there in like...an actually Printed Book.

marsh silo
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Any frame that does one quick action really well but leaves the other free for flexibility instantly gets a win in my books just cause of customizability

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You're never quite happy XD

marsh silo
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no take backsies yeah

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But it's too late to do any final tinkering

wide pier
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I have been an ardent supporter of digitizing ttrpgs fir this reason

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Still, I'm like 95% happy with how Liminal Space turned out XD

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And that's a pretty high amount of happy.

marsh silo
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Yeah, the liminal manufacturers are definitely my favorite 3rd parties
There’s solid frames with a lot of versatility but also plenty in the license to keep some individuality

wide pier
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Moi is my favorite, the others have a lot I love but have a few issues that glare at me

marsh silo
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And also some niche frames that i’m too afraid to try to optimize which would probably terrify my group

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imo MO&S is probably the best balanced of the three but i prefer MOI because space portals

wide pier
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Hahaha

marsh silo
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Also the side of just enough heat/burn to keep my reactor criminal happy

wide pier
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I have broken mo&s stuff over its back :p

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Beautiful exploits

marsh silo
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:D

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malice override my beloved

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I'm biased because I wrote MOI so I can't weigh in on 'best' 😛

wide pier
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Ouroboros

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Thematically I think moi slots in best alongside the core 4

marsh silo
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Oh probably yeah

wide pier
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With mo&s having too much overlap with ipsn for my liking

marsh silo
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Just enough “we’re doing things in good faith, in fact here’s our core business motto” while also hiding some definitely shady shit

wide pier
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Zahhak is one if my fave frames from it and the book though (behind a few moi ones)

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Flauros drone should have been nexus, btw, iki 😔

marsh silo
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I personally vibe well with phoenix (and my group has enjoyed zahhak and kelly a lot) but i can’t quite fully commit cause of the lack of heavy weapons:p

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I do often dip for useful systems and durability though

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wide pier
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One of the big things I tried with them is that None of their NHPs are written as being treated as...people will full agency. Because MOI are fucking terrible to NHPs.

marsh silo
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o h s h i t

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That makes a lot of sense actually

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Clarent grade hereticode existing

wide pier
marsh silo
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Medea is probably the only mo&s mech i would have no idea how to play
Non-mine deployables just elude me ig, cause Agrippa and Kidd are much to same to me (though they have bolster/techs respectively)

wide pier
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(Solomon is perfect and blameless)

marsh silo
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Oh god that retrograde art hits so much harder now

wide pier
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Also, i made a gluttony with Solomon build with binding ring

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It was dubbed Kirby

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How you play Medea

marsh silo
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I-
yknow

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Medea's gameplan, since she's got 3 entirely free, entirely expendable drones is 'be a fucking nuisance and get value out of their deaths'

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Her general vibe 'What I gave up doing this was worth less than what you lost from me doing it'

wide pier
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Medea can opt to not use as many drones because of her Statline

marsh silo
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…dammit it’s too early late to be pulling up comp/con to get another good look at it
But yeah ig having a drone commbander who is fine, actually, with losing the drones is quite useful

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also

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She was sorta designed because I wanted to see if I could make non-Hydra drone mechs, her and the Solomon.

wide pier
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The drones help a lot with setting up DC3 too

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Solomon was 'Super high on Quality of Drone'

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While Medea was 'Super high on Quantity of drone, no quality'

wide pier
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Solomon is my favorite mech in the game, not just moi

marsh silo
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They came out well yeah

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I got genuinely worried when the Kidd came out during her development as I was worried they'd overlap too much

wide pier
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My goal is to homebrew frames I like at least half as much

marsh silo
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Only problem is the lack of cool drone support outside of liminal tbh

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The Kidd is actually part of the reason some of her systems got a tinkering.

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It's ability to restock Limited Charges.

marsh silo
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Ah yeah

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Made 'Wait, should have a smaller effect for Limited Drones' get added

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As ironically limited drones are less limited becasue you get X of them without spending a repair each time they go pop

marsh silo
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Still baffled that subalterned 14 armor is a doable thing

obtuse willow
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god damnit medea IS just aristocrats: the mech

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obtuse willow
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I'm an aristocrats player how did I not notice that

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She's even got 'when a creature under your control dies, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain 1 life' 😛

wide pier
obtuse willow
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oh by aristocrats I just mean the mtg deck type lmao

wide pier
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Ohhh

obtuse willow
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the quintessential aristocrats card

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wide pier
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Haven't played mtg in nearly a decade

little wadi
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That’s a great compassion

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I should try a Medea

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Just never sure how to build it

wide pier
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Lots of choices

marsh silo
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Oh yeah!
I’m really surprised at how well liminal protected balance with dustgrave supheavy mounting
iirc there’s like maybe one thing with lust but even then that’s limited to reactor crimes and high ll
zouyan/justice plasma thrower lives rent free in my head though
Not having to worry about allies in that cone 7 makes it fantastic for positioning

wide pier
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I made a few builds

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Duskgrave was not remotely on our mind (We didn't even know it was happening) and we spent a fair bit of time running around like headless chickens over it.

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As 'Any mech can have a superheavy' sent us into a 'oh god, what will this do to a lot of mechs not designed with heavy mounts involved' panic

wide pier
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I paid a lot of attention to it and ls interactions and it turned out fine iirc

marsh silo
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Yeah all of the non-heavy strikers having 3 mounts put a pin through that quickly

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Speaking of superheavies
orbital strike makes me sad
crack shot is cool but crits dont like me (and it feels like it was designed with that dmg in mind)

obtuse willow
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justice can already plasma thrower whenever it wants

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zou yan with a superheavy is definitely the most degenerate thing it enables and honestly it's strong but like... eh

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zou yan is a 12 ST mech with good sensors and TA, it generally has more useful/impactful things to do than full action barrage a superheavy most turns

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not to say that you can't make a good build out of it and have it be effective (on the contrary, it's very powerful), but

zou isn't exactly a bad mech without it

wide pier
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Anni nexus Zou Yan is neat

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Safe tempest drones to boot

obtuse willow
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yeah anni nex drone zou is real good

marsh silo
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Ooh yeah

obtuse willow
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temperance is probably also an underrated superheavy mounting user

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gives you a really good barrage when you don't want to go insanely nova

wide pier
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Good fallback option

obtuse willow
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yeh

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probably not as good as opcal on whatever main but still a solid choice

little wadi
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A backup CPR is pretty gross

wide pier
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Avarice with support mines and. Sh

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But yeah, the comparison is always opcal

obtuse willow
marsh silo
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At the very least you’re still trading max potential for versatility
Is it a good trade? Yeah probably, but maybe not if you’re trying to fill a particular team role

little wadi
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It’s pretty crazy in an enkidu

marsh silo
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Yep

little wadi
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TCB enkidu is a bit gross

marsh silo
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That was the one case where it really felt out there

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Free combat drill procs too

wide pier
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Tcb mc

obtuse willow
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tcb mc got leagues better when overkill got removed from it lmao

little wadi
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TCB MC is pretty gross yeah

wide pier
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The knockback is, funnily enough, pretty huge for the mc

obtuse willow
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yeah, you apply knockback before the damage to get hunter

wide pier
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Aaaye

little wadi
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Only issue is getting accuracy

wide pier
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Yup, part of why I think it's fine

little wadi
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That’s why it’s so scary on enkidu

wide pier
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It losing overkill is a big deal for both of them

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Hmm, what ls frame can benefit a lot from it other than Zou Yan?

little wadi
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Liminal specificity?

wide pier
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Yeah

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Or ironleaf

little wadi
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Nimue

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I guess

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Huh, Cwn Annwn was toned down a lot compared to what I remember

wide pier
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3 mounts

little wadi
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Ah carmilla

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That’s actually pretty scary

wide pier
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Opposite of synergy

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Lose the rest of the attack effects

little wadi
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Nah, fire the PT and don’t damage your friend

wide pier
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Hm

little wadi
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Hack them instead

wide pier
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Interesting!

little wadi
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The kobold hack that makes magma around them

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I always forget the name

wide pier
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Lmao

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Same

little wadi
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It’s actually some pretty crazy action economy

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You can use that ordnance one, the hurricane

wide pier
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Does give heat that way I think

little wadi
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Nah

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Your ally takes nothing unless they walk on the slag

wide pier
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Sounds fun but not op

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Great!

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Def a fun way to use it, good find

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Oh huh I didn't realize the previous "Ignores Hidden/Invis and stops them from benefiting from Hidden/Invis" version of Cwn Annwn had loading

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fading jewel
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What was the combo?

obtuse willow
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if it has loading, it shouldn't

fading jewel
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Yeah that's the new version now

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The old version had loading, and had a way more powerful effect

obtuse willow
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ah yeah I misread

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cwn annwn got updated... I don't even know how long ago, but this is the current version

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it just got missed in the lcp updates

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Yeah. The old one sorta was 'No one really bothered using this much'

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So it got changed to the new version, which people seem to think is like...actually a decent nexus in and of itself.

wide pier
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Yeah, I didn't feel bad about putting it on a mech

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Oh right @obtuse willow Dancing Shadow Module seems to be missing the "no negative effects of brace on hit" part

obtuse willow
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wh

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did I fucking not update the json in the lcp???

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thank you, will fix momentarily

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Thanks chief

obtuse willow
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Thanks!

wide pier
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Hmm, Superheavy on a Belladonna could be ok?

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Plasma Thrower on a Kudzu elmorise

obtuse willow
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the problem was I'm a big dumbdumb and forgot to ctrl+s.

wide pier
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Inexcusable, to the gallows

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obtuse willow
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hahaha sorry!

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frankly it's more embarrassing for me than you

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Eh, got spotted XD

wide pier
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I'm just glad Pyro found it on time

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That's what happens when I have nothing to do all day except make mechs in Comp/Con lmao

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Also helped Data spot some of Iridia's errors too

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God I spend too much time in C/C

wide pier
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also, I'd love it if weapons and systems like cwn annwn came with the way to pronounce them :')

little wadi
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Can your pilot benefit from ripples on the lake ?

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wide pier
fading jewel
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TBH almost all of the Ironleaf equipment's names come from real things

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So their pronunciations should be easy to find in Google

wide pier
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More likely result is that people will not do that, and just pronounce it wrong, if at all

rustic root
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I've seen a lot of homebrew about that uses names from non-english languages

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which on one hand, very cool, love that cultural variety!

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On the other hand, nobody includes pronunciation guides so they might as well be written in code sometimes

wide pier
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I love it too, but I feel bad for pronouncing it wrong... and am also lazy

rustic root
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"Solve my puzzles three to learn how to verbally tell your DM what mech you've taken"

wide pier
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Aegean is simple, but I'm sure many people still mess it up

wide pier
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Wait, wait wait... dancing shadow on Napoleon

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There's no way this is balanced

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Which part?

wide pier
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There's no downside

fading jewel
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If the attack hits, then no effects of the Brace happen

wide pier
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Since brace will reduce to 1 still (resistance does nothing)

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Hmm? Reads to me/is written so there's no upside. If you flub the roll to dodge, you're eating the full damage as 'no effects of the brace' would include the Napoleon's '1 damage on a brace'

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Yeah

wide pier
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Ahh

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Misremembe

fading jewel
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Also includes the WW's Harden and Clover's Bring It!

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Though the dodge is a nice extra if you're say, Shredded and thus wouldn't be able to get the most important part of the brace regardless.

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I also had a funny idea where the negative effects of the brace only happen if the attack hits but not if it misses but that sounds miserable lmao

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As it's 50% rather than 0% to save your ass.

rustic root
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To be fair!

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Shredded does not actually prevent Napoleon's trait

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Just regular brace

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Oh yeah, wasn't talking about the Napoleon specifically there

wide pier
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"Otherwise, you are hit as normal and do not gain Resistance from the Brace."

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I just got back home

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and read dancing shadow module again

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the LCP isn't correct here :o

obtuse willow
wide pier
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Yeah, I thought that was a different part of the text that was fixed, and I only remembered the LCP rules for it! :p

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but good!

steep hazel
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I love it

fading jewel
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So in practice how good is Donner's Grisly Feast?

obtuse willow
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it's healing that doesn't cost repairs

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which is pretty fucking good

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also basiclaly a quick action cover deletion button

fading jewel
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True true

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Trying to turn an OC into a Lancer character who has a Raiden-esque gimmick of consumption then remembered that the Donner exists

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wide pier
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1/2 size mechs are like people, but with armor

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(especially the rose XD)

steep hazel
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It's funny because it's out of place

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Also absurdity

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Basicly: Milisea was founded near the end of firstcomm and didn't get found by Union until thirdcomm. Mechs were developed by Union in Seccomm. So they've had a long time to do their own development but didn't have mech technology for most of it.

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So their stuff is more 'overgrown hardsuits'

steep hazel
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Also something that I noticed about a lot of the Mechs is that a lot of them have aesthetics that are very reminiscent of the trade baronies

Then the tank, and poppy I think stand out against them?

steep hazel
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Its a very retro aesthetic

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I love that so much

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steep hazel
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Oooo

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Basicly: There's a lot of tech that was lost during the tailend of Firstcomm that Union doesn't have. Not nessesarily 'better' but 'different'.

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So Ironleaf Foundry's techbase is really divergent from Union's in several areas.

steep hazel
# steep hazel Its a very retro aesthetic

I think that's kind of why I've come to the conclusion that I want to use a lot of Gurren Lagan MECH design combined with Aunic and Trade baronie aesthetics for the thing im working on?

I wanted to stand out and look weird because it's technology derived from a timeline then further constructed upon here

steep hazel
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Yeah, I'd already been working in IF's backstory when I read that in Battlegroup and realized it applied a LOT to Ironleaf Foundry's backstory.

steep hazel
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Huh

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Huhhh

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I actually think this bit of fluff may help a lot for me too

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Thank you for showing it!!!

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Happy to do so! But yeah, that's sorta why there's a pair of 'That's not a mech'

# 
The first Laurel was made centuries before the first modern mech took a single step. Commander mac Nessa had the first Laurel made for his personal use, a new armored vehicle for a new world to act as the invincible backbone of his forces. Built from salvaged parts from the finest machines of the Union Space Program, it was an undeniable threat, a machine so armoured, armed and foreboding as to drive off anyone attempting to assault their new settlement of Conchobar.

Conchobar has made sure that in every generation of armored vehicles, there is a Laurel design among their numbers. Where the first generations were superheavy tanks, iterations after meeting Thirdcomm have drawn more and more from the lessons from mechanized chassis design. The newest Laurel has only just been unveiled, ready to break metal and morale alike.

The Tank (The IF Laurel's fluff) is that it's only recently started incorporating control schemes from Mechanized Chassis into what was a very divergent focus on armoured vehicles.

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I think visually, my favorite is silversword ?
I really like its weapon

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But they're all so cool

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The Silversword is fun, the design spec for Moid there was 'A walking statue with a flaming spear'

steep hazel
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May i ask, what real life situations/places/concepts does Ironleaf Foundry and Milisea draw from?

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Im curious

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This is the Big Art for one of the Flashpoints.

steep hazel
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Oooooo, neat

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With the structure drawing a lot from the Newgrange Passage Tomb

steep hazel
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Oh thats so cool

obtuse willow
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random aside limspace feedback: zou yan is the best mech because I can say "I create a death world" and have it be 100% accurate to my game actions

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Hahahaahah

empty kraken
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Alas that it can no longer attack and dethrone God

mossy lotus
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The eternal realization everyone has when they actually look at the Environmental table. 😛

wide pier
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Kachunk + Caliban + Krakatoa

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👀

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For the yeet?

wide pier
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for the yeet

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though might need a longer range aoe attack for that

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wide pier
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Good!

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see my very ancient feedback about it

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It's being renamed Ka-chack as that's better onomatopoeia for the racking of a new shell 😛

wide pier
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XD

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I still think that this effect should make the damage deterministic

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which works well for silversword, as well as be interesting with overkill or the like

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(of the entire attack)

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Could you repost that feedback, I'm finding it hard to locate it. Sorry.

wide pier
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yeah no worries, I'll go search for it

# 
Ka-Chunk!: Ok, I like the visceral image this gives me of a mech doing this, but mechanically I think you can do something interesting with this! So, the frame has the “know health/evasion/edefense trait, right? What if this weapon rather than giving bonus damage, allowed you to get a pegasus-like effect by averaging + another benefit, or maximizing damage? Idea of a system like that would be to bypass overkill weapon heat if people don’t like that and to know how much damage you’d do to a target for the frame’s own trait. The main issue is that this favors 1d6 weapons, and not 1d3 or flat damage weapons like this frame has right now.

Spitballing aside, I don’t think this system does a lot for the Silversword as it is now, and is fairly weak for the action cost involved. 1 SP is peanuts, and that warrants being worse than hunter lock, but hunter lock doesn’t pay off until you get more than 1 turn of extra damage with it.
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note: this feedback is old

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the doc

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I feel like I'd be tempted for boosting it to give it the Ferrous Lash's 'If movement is stopped, fall prone'

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So it's better for Slamming People About.

wide pier
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I do like that, buuut

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the silversword synergy is something that'd be so nice for this 😔

rustic root
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Don't you dare steal my Raleigh synergies

wide pier
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Wait, remove what?

barren pendant
# wide pier note: this feedback is *old*

Yeah, I noticed when I spotted Belladonna systems and went 'Right, this wasn't always an alt frame...why did I ever think the Direct Interface Link was a good idea?'

wide pier
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xD

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# 
Direct Interface Link
1 SP, Unique
You automatically pass checks to disarm Mines and interact with Objects. You can interact with Objects as a Quick Action if it would normally be a Full Action.

Articulated tendrils, direct interface links provide essential tools for allowing pilots to engage in actions more precise than gunplay without risking unfortunate consequences.

For those who want to see one of the most 'Fuck, I need one more system' things I ever made (Now gone)

wide pier
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I have a scrapyard in my own doc of ideas I ditched

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where I just copy paste things I would otherwise delete

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Hmm

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I think I'm safe with my own 1 SP system there blobsweat

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I started with an idea in mind for what I wanted it to do, which helps

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I feel like the effect of Direct Interface Link would likely be better re-used as a 'oh and also this' on a talent that has a powerful but really short effect.

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Like the 'Get a Zero-G System'

wide pier
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Yeah, I really like that one

barren pendant
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But that would need me to have ideas for talents XD

wide pier
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Talents are hard

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I went for insanity with mine so far

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want to see? xD

barren pendant
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They are. It's tricky to work out big areas that can be worked in without overlapping too much with other stuff.

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obtuse willow
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I'll be honest I was a little down on Tudigong for a while just because Zou is so SP hungry, it wants to fit so many different things

But then I started thinking of it just as "this is an infinite use hex grenade with additional upside" and now I adore it

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No Demolitionist synergy but c'est la vie

wide pier
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it's also a deterrent vs melee when centered on an ally

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such a neat system

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I love my drone zou yan with tempest drones; which allies can also just move past without issue

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wide pier
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same with the Lich 1 system

wide pier
obtuse willow
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yeah being entirely party-safe on its home mech is also a huge point in tudigong's favor

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zou's traits are so fucking good

wide pier
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Siege Ram
Throughbolt Rounds
Webjaw Snare
Caltrop Launcher
Charged Stake
Smokestack Heatsink
TSS1
TSS2
TSS3
Molten Wreathe
Shock Wreathe
Javelin Rockets
Ricochet Blades
JK2
Ferrospike Barrier
Dominon's Breadth
The Imperial Eye
Aya of the Syzygy
The Walk of Kings
Swarm body
Puppetmaster
Tempest Drone
Assassin Drone
Lightning Generator
Seismic Ripper
Explosive Vents
Clamp Bombs
NOAH-Class NHP
External Batteries
Plasma Gauntlet

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I know you were joking, BUT

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it's honestly something that might work considering the number of systems that are included there

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I did not include invades btw

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This is just official stuff too

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if also including frame traits and passives:
Vlad
KIDD
Caliban
Zheng
Monarch
Viceroy
Balor
Hydra
Manticore
Pegasus

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nods

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That's rather a few and doesn't even include the LS/IF stuff.

wide pier
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exactly

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The main issue will be the wording, how to include the things you want and exclude those you don't

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...another issue is the type of effect you could give

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Yeah idk

barren pendant
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Yeah. As some of them likely shouldn't benefit (Like I don't want anything without a save to get too much beefier)

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No one needs 'Oh god, what did you do to the Omnigun?'

wide pier
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Haha, that too

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or easily repeatable effects

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So a few things at least; you'd want to exclude grenades, mines, drones, and likely effects carried by another action like siege ram?

barren pendant
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Yeah. As Grenades, Mines and Drones already have talents that support them

wide pier
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So that would leave:
Webjaw Snare
Caltrop Launcher
Charged Stake
Smokestack Heatsink
TSS1
TSS2
TSS3
Molten Wreathe
Shock Wreathe
Javelin Rockets
Ricochet Blades
JK2
Ferrospike Barrier
Dominon's Breadth
The Imperial Eye
Aya of the Syzygy
Swarm body
Puppetmaster
Lightning Generator
Seismic Ripper
Explosive Vents
Clamp Bombs
NOAH-Class NHP
External Batteries
Plasma Gauntlet

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going by the assumption that you're limiting it to systems

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Yeah.

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ExBats I'd personally want to exclude

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which could be solved with a simple "may"

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'I have made myself explode harder'

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Deployables would also exclude Webjaw Snare, Smokestack Heatsink, Ferrospike Barrier

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Not sure how you stand on that

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Honestly, kinda okay with Deployables with that list. Most of them require a fair bit of setup.

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since GMS comes with no system that does this, and it's a talent, might want it to come with a system that works with it at LL1

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So that's at least 1 rank covered

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GMS Really Big Bomb
Deployable
It Go Boom When Triggered Or Destroyed
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(Iconoclast talent exists now, which is a talent and a system, hmm)

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Ha!

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Though iirc, Iconoclast doesn't even bother with saves.

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It does not

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most of these don't

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Still, I could also lock out AI when I'm going 'This list of things don't get it'

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Mhm

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that'd lock out Iconoclast, NOAH

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but frankly, Iconoclast could use some alternative build paths