wayfarer-discussion

[buoyant lintel]

so?

[median oriole]

Isnt that a bike rack shelter?

[buoyant lintel]

no

[median oriole]

Trolley shelter?

Bus stop?

You need to tell me what it is and what its for

To me it doesnt look like an eligible submission

[buoyant lintel]

ok

IT is like random roof to hide when it rains

[normal vault]

Why did you need to paint over it

For me it does look like a bike shelter

[buoyant lintel]

dont live in country where bikeing is that popular to be special shelters outside + there were some guys hanging out so i painted

[analog niche]

Can signs or murals inside of stores are eligible?

[wanton grove]

yes

though anything indoors will have a harder time getting approved

[analog niche]

Oh ok

[lilac oasis]

Whatw being blurred?

[buoyant lintel]

drunk guys

[lilac oasis]

Can be eligible if your able to explain how it's a gathering area

[analog niche]

You can’t have people in the picture in the nomination cause that’s one of the rejection criterias

Unless your using that picture as an example

[buoyant lintel]

yea

IT was example

if it is goot nomination

[zinc ether]

how long does an appealed nomination take

[median oriole]

Well

Niantic is trying to review First in First out, and they have reached february appeals. Sometimes you can be lucky and niantic breaks FIFO and takes more recent appeals

[analog niche]

Why can’t you save upgrades?

[wanton grove]

you can, there's a setting to turn off auto apply

[analog niche]

Oh ok

[analog niche]

Thanks, sadly wasted an upgrade that I wanted to save for but it is what it is

[wanton grove]

ah that sucks. they only added that pretty recently and before that you could only mark your 1 next upgrade. before that... fully random

[analog niche]

Welp it got accepted tho so not bad I guess

[modern surge]

Nice

[kind adder]

Hello! I am looking to suggest my first pokestop. I have already passed the exam that it gives you and I wanted to ask you guys a few questions!!

So in my backyard, there is the community neighborhood clubhouse and park. There is a sign by the clubhouse, but it just says our neighborhood.

Would I have a better bet making it the clubhouse with the sign, or try for the park/jungle gym area that also does not have a sign. Sorry if this is not the correct format for questioning, I have not done much research into this channel.

[vague plank]

When you say "my backyard" it makes me feel like it might be, or might appear to be, private single family private residential property (prp), which would be ineligible. If the land is truly shared, like a park or HOA/apartment property it should be okay, but reviewers will need to accept that and not mistake it for prp.

A park/area sign could be eligible on its own but would have more luck if it actually says "[Named] Park" rather than being a generic neighborhood sign. The playground equipment (even without a sign) is almost definitely acceptable on its own - provider it's definitely not prp.

If you're comfortable, you could take some pictures and share them, and/or share the location, or privately share the info if you aren't comfortable with it public. It would help give clearer answers - but certainly don't dox yourself.

[analog niche]

Thoughts on this?

[median oriole]

Looks like art, could be eligible. I dont know any more details

[analog niche]

Oh alright it’s because I wanted to know if they could be eligible if they were on the floor

[tribal tendon]

It can but it needs to be public.

[wanton grove]

well, needs to not be a single family residence

other limited access locations are ok

[gleaming ingot]

Could a stop sign in a neighborhood become a poke stop?

[analog niche]

If it’s a regular stop sign then no because it’s mass produced

Either way I don’t think stop signs can be eligible as well

[gleaming ingot]

That’s dumb

[median oriole]

Not really

[lilac oasis]

a regular old stop sign being a pokestop is dumb

youd have 4 in every intersection

[analog niche]

😂

Just imagine every block would be filled with a pokestop because of a stop sign being there

[gleaming ingot]

And that’s bad?

[median oriole]

If the stop signs are not accessible on foot, yeah

Plus they are not eligible as roli said

We all want more stops, but they cant just be random mass produced objects

[gleaming ingot]

I understand I’m sad now

[lilac oasis]

Yes, waypoints are supposed to be Points Of Interest, not Points of Generic Infrastructure

[gilded cove]

I want to make a pokestop in my house, any ideas of what I can turn into one?

[spice lintel]

Has to be an land mark like a church and u can’t do anything about it if ur house ain’t special

[median oriole]

Nothing!

[fallow hatch]

Go onto the dark web and order a life size statue of nepolian painted in the colours of america with an airfryer in its hand

[sour dew]

How do you join the xerneas raid or whatever? It's set up diff than the nurse Joy ones

[tribal tendon]

For details on how PokeNav raids works, please read #how-to-remote-raid. And this channel is for wayfarer only, so if anymore questions, please ask in #help-and-feedback

[lilac oasis]

Move into a park or museum

[analog niche]

True

[glossy stag]

i submitted some statues, but they got declined as duplicates, but they arent. we have like three diff groups of statues at the same place and they have kinda same theme. i also cant appeal that stop bc i am appealing rn another one (?)(since like 2 weeks already). idk the appeal system confuses me...
is there anything else i can do?
bc my submission is legit different from the already existing stops 🤡

i even wrote in the extra field that we have three diff groups of statues, but it doesnt seemed like ppl read that and just declined

[median oriole]

While you submit something there, do you see any orange pins on the "Select location" map part of the submitting process? If you press on those you can see the details of wayspots not appearing in Pokémon GO

Although the statues might not be in Pokémon GO, they can still be in the database

If they are not already and the duplicate rejections are false, use the supporting photo and text to your advantage to help the reviewers tell its a seperate statue

If the statues all together are a single sculpture on its own, the duplicate rejection can be correct

A photo of them can really help me tell more

[glossy stag]

1. and 2. are already in and now i wanted to submit 3.

i think there was smth written like the stop is in the database but not in pogo, not sure at all (at this place were some things in the data base, but not as poke stop). but there wasnt anything written why the stop shouldnt be added tho... sadly i am rn not there and cant check it again to screenshot it

[median oriole]

Pokemon go has S2 cells that limit how many wayspots become Pokestops in pokemon go

So the third one is likely to be in the database, but because of the cells it wont appear in GO

If you want to share the location i can check for you

[glossy stag]

oh thats really sad, that means i am not able to add anymore new spots to that place? but then i dont understand why some places have so many spots xD

[glossy stag]

on google maps?

[median oriole]

Yes please

[median oriole]

With rules comes rule breakers, before 2021 it was possible to abuse the cell rules to basically get limitless pokestops by simply moving existing ones into occupied cells

[glossy stag]

thats really sad :/

https://goo.gl/maps/nPvhVXfTmrCMviKZ6

also may i ask where do you check all these cells? bc basically all my boosts got wasted and stuff got declined prolly bc of the cells thing. and thats really sad

[median oriole]

Already in the database

[median oriole]

I suggest watching a video by PokéDaxi on this. See pinned messages or search on YouTube

[glossy stag]

means this wont become a poke stop? 🥺

[median oriole]

Also the cells doesnt make things ineligible or eligible, its just a limiter Niantic had put up for pokemon go

Unless the other pokestop in the cell is removed, it wont appear

[glossy stag]

ahh oki ty

[median oriole]

Also the nomination process is a bit misleading, it says "pokestop nomination" when it should say "wayspot nomination". You are nominating to the lightship database by niantic, and all approved nominations appear there

When approved, each game syncs the wayspots into the game if they are eligible for it (each niantic game has different rules)

[glossy stag]

i am still kinda confused if i should try to nominate it now again or not xD

[median oriole]

No, its already a wayspot

Hence the duplicate rejection

It is in the older niantic game called Ingress though

[glossy stag]

this whole nomination thing is kinda trash 😭

but still thank you so much for ur help 🫂

can i bother u with another question? xd

[median oriole]

Go ahead

[glossy stag]

okay so have two stops which got approved...

for the top one i got an email that it got approved, but for the bottom one not... now its over 48h ago that they got approved (for the bottom one even several days). but somehow they're still not appearing in the game. do you know why?

[median oriole]

Ill be back in a few minutes

[glossy stag]

do u need the location again?

[median oriole]

Yes, if you could give me the exact location

[glossy stag]

https://goo.gl/maps/DzEk3hTJSw4vrpEz9

https://goo.gl/maps/rAkg6KDqjyzCQfL4A

second one is kinda hard to figure out coz of the trees, but its there i promise 😂 (its a cemetery chapel)

[median oriole]

The first one is both in an occupied cell and within 20m of another, so it doesnt appear ina any current niantic game, and the second one is just in an occupied cell, and appears in Ingress

[glossy stag]

This is so ridiculous 😂

[median oriole]

Thats Just how it is sometimes

If you watch the tutorial by PokéDaxi, you can get the map of the cells and you can scout for points of interests to submit in open cells

But its never wrong to submit something that doesnt appear in the game youd like it to

[glossy stag]

okay gotcha :D

Thank you so so much for helping me and spending that much time on it. I really appreciate your help and I hope you have a fantastic day/night wherever you are and may you get some shinies ✨

[median oriole]

No problem, have fun exploring!

[errant horizon]

Do u guys think a lake could be a poke stop. I have a small man made one in my community. and it’s easily accessible as it is within the community park.

[vague plank]

It would be really hard. Generally speaking, natural features like ponds don't really pass without signage identifying it or some sort of physical manmade object. A pier or a fishing sign might serve better focal point than the body of water itself.

[junior umbra]

Does it have a plaque?

[zinc ether]

quick question

but someone explain sponsored stops

[median oriole]

Sponsored stops and gyms are locations where a Company has paid/collaborated with Niantic to put something there

[errant horizon]

Wdym by a plaque

[inner dagger]

If it has a spring or a plaque (a plate as a memorial to it) then yes

[vague plank]

A placard, sign, something naming or otherwise denoting the area.

[vague plank]

If you mean aerator fountain in the middle of the pond, those are ineligible.

[errant horizon]

hm

just confirming that 2 poke stops in one big cell makes one of the poke stops a gym rigjt?

[vague plank]

2 POI in a level 14 cell typically means 1 Stop & 1 Gym.

[vague plank]

Fantastic that the bots don't pic that sort of thing up.

[wanton grove]

1* inappropriate location

[tribal tendon]

Have a look at pinned messages for more details

[analog niche]

Wrong channel

[slow stirrup]

Who asked

🗿

🤦‍♂️

[fallow hatch]

Hi Does anyone got a account in niantic campfire

[lilac oasis]

Wrong channel

[wanton grove]

1* seasonal

thanks, they're spamming it all over the server

[rustic current]

I wanna add a gym near at a place that I think deserves it

But I'm only lvl 26

It's a church that already has 3 pokestops and I'm surprised at the lack of a gym

[junior umbra]

u can't add gyms

earlier on there was some manipulation regarding gyms

it's harder now

so there's places where you have squadrons of gyms next to each other

[rustic current]

Alrighr

[junior umbra]

if the stops are popular you can go around the neighbourhood and add stops

[rustic current]

How does it work?

[junior umbra]

when you have enough stops in a cell there will be more gyms

[rustic current]

It's a large church with about 3 buildings

Each building has a pokestop rn

And theres a school right next to it without a stop

[junior umbra]

primary?

primary schools can't have stops

[rustic current]

Ah

[median oriole]

Any school from kindergarten to high school 12th grade cant have anything

[junior umbra]

Doesn't work like that anymore

As in u can thumbs up, but it doesn't affect gym

[wanton grove]

yes it does, but only thumbs in pogo not ingress and you have to do them well in advance

[wanton grove]

<@&770285540503191613> can you ban this guy now? he was muted for spamming already and now he's at it again

[winged galleon]

Dealt with already don’t worry

[median oriole]

Thanks, can you please delete the two videos above as well?

Three

[tribal tendon]

Done

[median oriole]

ty

[fallow hatch]

This got accepted yesterday, will it get put into Pokémon go or not?

Cuz it says it can take up to 48 hrs for it to show in game and it’s only been around 22

[vague plank]

Depending on your time zone and how long ago "yesterday" was, it should have synced by now if it was going to.

If you share the location of it, somebody can look it up and give you a better guess, but don't share if you aren't comfortable with that.

[fallow hatch]

It’s a maple grove united church

In Oakville Ontario Canada

[vague plank]

It won't show up in PoGO.

[tribal tendon]

Depends if there’s already a poke stop in the cell or not.

[fallow hatch]

Thanks everyone?

!”

[pallid latch]

How do I do the wayfarer test

[edgy geyser]

Usually how long does it take a pkmn stop nomination take to get approved or denied and do they notify you

[pallid latch]

What do I do in the wayfarer test cause I click the spot I need to go but it doesn’t do anything else after that

[wanton grove]

you'll get an email when it reaches a decision but there's no way to estimate the time, it can vary by a large amount depending on where you are

[wanton grove]

what kind of device and browser?

[errant horizon]

If I request a poke stop, it gets accepted and there’s no other poke stops around, will it get put into the game?

cuz it’s not like interfering with another pokestops

[pallid latch]

iPhone and safari

[vague plank]

There's a proximity check that PoGO uses that looks kind of like a grid. "No other PokéStops around" isn't super intuitive - sometimes they don't appear immediately next to each other but could still be in the same "cell."

It may get put into the game - it may not. It isn't too difficult to check the area before submitting to make sure - or just go for it, the Wayspot may get used in other Niantic games.

[junior umbra]

The stop also needs to fulfil wayfarer criteria

and submission quality

[junior umbra]

...

you have had several responses

do with them what you will

[rustic current]

Could I get some help putting up pokestops?

My city is building pretty much an entire new area filled with stores, resturants, and more

But it doesnt have any pokestops

Theres a new In-n-out*, Panda Express, Ross dress for less, Costco, a place called crumbl, an at&t store, a huge organic grocery store, and like 3 gast stations

And none of them except the gas station that's been there for years has a pokestop/gym

[wanton grove]

chain stores like that often are not eligible. you should start by reading the criteria for what makes a good pokestop.
also, it's unlikely anyone here would be able to help directly. you can only submit nominations within 10km of your current location so you'll need to reach level 37 and submit them yourself

niantic.helpshift.com /hc/en/21-wayfarer /section/166-wayspot-criteria/

[rustic current]

Alright

[wanton grove]

the bot deleted my message with the proper link but just remove the spaces

[rustic current]

I read it and it says plazas would work, so maybe?

[vague plank]

Sometimes. A business or shopping plaza should be more interesting than just a generic chain of businesses that you go to for basic needs.

#friend-codes there's a whole channel for you there.

[worldly cargo]

Sorry

[vague plank]

A "plaza" with a gas station, oil change, cell phone repair (for example) doesn't meet the same exploration criteria as a plaza with a coffee shop, local clothing boutique, or bookstore. Just examples. Yours could fall in there somewhere but just being called a plaza isn't really enough.

[timid terrace]

would a semi private place meet the requirements of a poke stop?

there are parks, fountains, apartments.. etc

[wanton grove]

yes, the only real restriction on private areas is that within the boundaries of a single family home lot

[timid terrace]

ohh

so apartments can become pokestops?

[wanton grove]

certain things at apartments which meet eligibility criteria can yes

there's a lot of misunderstanding about this though, so sometimes you may still receive rejections

[timid terrace]

finna build those "certain" things in my apartment

[median oriole]

inside your apartment?

Or the complex? 😆

[junior umbra]

apartments with murals are very good pokestops

[junior umbra]

"My kitchen."
"It's not very big but it's mine."

[timid terrace]

the building

[errant horizon]

would community signs be eligible as a poke stop?

Like a “Welcome to Oakwood” sign

[junior umbra]

Yes

[median oriole]

Nope

Most are mass produced, so only if the sign is actually unique/artsy then it can be eligible

Also do note that what you see in game isnt always eligible

There are alot of ineligible objects still in game

[vague plank]

Most community signs like for a neighborhood or subdivision aren't great unless they're visually unique, artistic, or interesting in some way. Town or city signs tend to get treated as more eligible, though.

[lilac oasis]

Very rarely does an apartment building meet criteria

[timid terrace]

someone pls help me w the niantic wayfarer test

[median oriole]

Check the criteria page on wayfarer and learn from it

[timid terrace]

what does upgrade next mean?

[analog niche]

When you earn an upgrade it will automatically put it on the one you marked for upgrade next.

[timid terrace]

also, do only people who live near the area I live in, can review my nominations?

or can everyone review them

[normal vault]

@median oriole can you help me real quick?

Sorry for the ping

[median oriole]

Maybe

[normal vault]

So i heard they changed what decides which stop becomes a gym, before you could like it in ingress but now it seems to be different. Do you know more about it?

[median oriole]

Now its decided by the amount of likes+ photos on a stop, if the most liked ones have the same amount, its random

Best to like 3 days in advance

[normal vault]

sure

do you have to be a certain lvl to be able to like it?

friend of mine couldn't do it

[median oriole]

37 and above

[normal vault]

my friend is lvl 37 so it should work

but doesn't show

[median oriole]

maybe 38 then

[normal vault]

yeah maybe

thx

can i increase it by just adding more pictures?

and like them by myself?

[median oriole]

yeah

[normal vault]

Thanks a lot 🙂

got a 60% rate in wayfarer now, not as good as your 75% but it's getting better

[median oriole]

Ive actually reviewed so much recently ive dropped down to 68% because the agreements havent caught up

[normal vault]

Damn, i am sure they will catch up

[timid terrace]

how long will it take for a pokestop nomination to get reviewed?

[median oriole]

Different in every area, usually slower in areas with more Players. 2 days minimum 3 years max. Good time is 6 months or less

[halcyon obsidian]

What is wayfarer? (im dum...)

[median oriole]

Wayfarer is the site where you can manage wayspot nominations. You can view/edit your own submissions and review other peoples location/title/description/photo edits and nominations

Wayspots can become objects in Niantic games such as Pokestops and Gyms in Pokemon GO, portals in Ingress, Flower buds and mushrooms in Pikmin BLOOM and etc..

[lunar heart]

^

[errant horizon]

Would these be good pokestops?

[median oriole]

nope

Not unique enough

Those are usually mass produced

[stuck raft]

What about a bench with a memorial on it?

[vague plank]

Rarely. Generally speaking, a memorial bench would need to be recognizing somebody with local cultural significance. Most benches are generic and simply "donor recognition" benches.

[stuck raft]

What about a mayor that’s dead

[vague plank]

If you can explain why the mayor was important to the community it might be accepted.

[stuck raft]

Oh alright

[nova venture]

nah my area has at least 40 memorial benches with just random people on them that have been accepted has stops

[vague plank]

Tbh that doesn't matter.

[nova venture]

a few are gyms as well

[vague plank]

Niantic used to review back in the beginning and accepted a lot of things that aren't eligible now. Now that the community is reviewing, they're usually stricter. Even if the benches in your area were accepted recently that doesn't mean they go through for Pax above.

[junior umbra]

I'd submit them, no reason not to.

[junior umbra]

I'd accept a memorial bench tho

[vague plank]

Some folks might. Best to use as much information as they can to support the nomination, though.

[junior umbra]

Yup. Supplementary info is the key there.

[vague plank]

The person asked if they'd be good PokéStops Wayspots, and they wouldn't. Submitting things that others advise not to and generally don't meet criteria just tends to slow the process down for everyone and (if you do have a local community) alienates them the most by increasing their turnaround time with "coal."

Neighborhood signs like that just aren't eligible under Wayfarer criteria. It might suck for the locals but there might also be a lot of other great candidates around they could focus on, instead.

The top one, at the very least, either lacks safe pedestrian access and/or may require trespassing on private residential property.

[junior umbra]

Huh, thought they were fine but yah quick google shows nope. Need cultural or artistic significance

Have never seen one submitted so hadn't checked.

[vague plank]

Me either 😆

[quiet depot]

Would you guys pass this tree sculpture?

[wanton grove]

i'd have to be convinced it isn't temporary

[quiet depot]

Nah he's been at our park for like years now. We fight over if his name is The Guardian Tree or Ted. Lol.

I'd love to make him a Pokestop if we can. Everyone would find that hilarious.

[tribal tendon]

Is it on public ground? And does it show up on google maps?

[quiet depot]

It's at our local park. I could probably whip up a photosphere of it easily enough. From above it would just be the tree, so impossible to see the face of it.

[tribal tendon]

Alright, then I would say 50/50 chance. A good description will be needed then if it can't be seen on google maps, is my experience.

[quiet depot]

Ugh. I wish people were nicer with reviewing. Most things I try to submit get denied.

Someone denied a park path sign and I had to put it through for a second evaluation by Niantic itself before it was approved.

[wanton grove]

care to share the other things you've had rejected? we might be able to give you some tips

[quiet depot]

Oh. Also

There's a park sign to another entrance that I think qualifies.

Someone graffitied a picture of a bad thing on it.

Does that make it impossible to pass?

[vague plank]

Not "impossible" but it depends on how bad it is.

[wanton grove]

yeah that's actually a somewhat contentious issue

the criteria page mentions this:

but does that mean a photo which was vandalized? what does that mean?
others think it means that vandalism or graffiti of/on the object you're nominating is a reason to reject

and if the graffiti is explicit then it's likely going to get rejected regardless

[wanton grove]

niantic has offered several confusing and unclear clarifications in the past about park signs in cases where the park has more than one entrance. and if it's just a list of park rules it's common for them to be rejected either way so this is not surprising to me

[errant horizon]

I’m in a relatively new community with a few parks and such. However in google maps all you see is empty space. Even the roads still aren’t in Pokémon go due to the community being new

if I requested a valid poke stop (good description, clear photo, etc.), would it automatically get rejected because it isn’t in google maps?

[vague plank]

Certainly not automatically rejected, but it's true reviewers will be more skeptical. A few things you can do to help increase the chance of acceptances:
Create a photosphere. These will automatically load for reviewers and help by showing a 360 view of the park and its surroundings
Provide weblinks. If you can find a news article or Parks & Rec website that includes information on the park include those in the Supporting text! I've linked maps for park developments to "prove" the location.
Add the park to Google Maps. . If the park is not listed on Google, make sure you create the location. Treat it as additional supporting information for your nomination - include more photos (not ones you'll use for you submission) and a Parks & Rec website, if available.

@errant horizon - I've used all 3 suggestions above and gotten several parks approved that did not show up on Google at all.

When I nominated this playground, Satellite view showed an empty green space between houses. This was accepted without problem.

[errant horizon]

Tysm for all the tips. I’m not exactly sure how to create a photosphere though

I’ve also heard about a few incidents where pokestops get accepted but never appear in game.

[wanton grove]

what you're submitting is wayspots. if they are accepted, then based on the inclusion rules for each of niantic's games they might be added or they might not

well the bot here eats links but Google search "Pokemon go S2 cells" and look for the article from Pokemon go hub

[errant horizon]

So if it’s in an empty cell

It’ll be put in the game?

[wanton grove]

yes

[errant horizon]

got it

ty

[vague plank]

It's not "incident" so much as "by design" with how Pokémon GO accepts POI. If the area really has nothing, there's nothing to block it, but a small (or even large) park might fill up quickly and start "blocking" itself.

But anything accepted can be used in other Niantic games.

[vague plank]

I've only ever done them a few times for indoor nominations - everything outdoors I've been able to adequately support my location with supporting photos or links. But there are several tutorials on how to create one. It does take the "Google Street View" app, though, and dedication to stand in one place for a minute spinning around and taking pictures.

[analog niche]

Does anyone know what time they add pokestops into the game?

Or is it just random

[wanton grove]

around 10:50am pacific

[analog niche]

Alright thanks

[timid terrace]

It says that one of my pokestop nominations is in the voting phase now

how long will it take?

[wanton grove]

same answer as last time you asked

[analog niche]

Also if you get an upgrade and use it on the nomination it can go by faster. For me it usually takes a couple of hours for it to get accepted or rejected when I use an upgrade on it.

[timid terrace]

im new to this, so I don’t know how to get an upgrade

[wanton grove]

for every nomination you review, if your review matches with the outcome you earn 1 agreement

100 agreements earns 1 upgrade

[timid terrace]

100?!

too much

[vague plank]

The alternative is waiting up to and over a year for your nomination to be approved (or denied). So you have to decide if the work is worth it to you or not.

[junior umbra]

Are you sure? I've upgraded 12 stops, 198 agreements and am 72% to next upgrade (got 10 from the russia project)

so from that one data point looks like about 70 agreements?

could be some weirdness in how they calculate duplicates

but I agree with @timid terrace that it's way too much, such a shame they've put so little effort into wayfarer

[wanton grove]

yes i'm positive

i think the confusion is that agreements earned reviewing edits and photos don't show up anywhere

[junior umbra]

ohh

that makes sense

[wanton grove]

so your upgrade progress will always be ahead of the accepted + rejected + duplicate count

[junior umbra]

such a ridiculous system

don't think I'll be doing reviews again

I'll still nominate on occasion and complain about them taking forever, of course 😉

I do appreciate the people who bother to do reviews, such a thankless task even though it earns niantic money

[vague plank]

To each there's. I actually enjoy reviewing and the nomination process in general.

I'm not even exaggerating that my personal involvement has increased my awareness of city & regional history and even national & international history.

[timid terrace]

this voting thing is so stupid

niantic should just hire people to review them

or just set up a specific bot for it

[lilac oasis]

They tried that... it didn't work out

[timid terrace]

i feel bad for the people who actually waste time voting lol

[median oriole]

What do you do to burn time?

To me Wayfarer is a great way to just burn time if you are bored, i love to see new things in my country, its like exploring, but from home

You dont have to be rude just because YOU didnt like it

[timid terrace]

didn't talk about burning time

[median oriole]

no im just asking

[timid terrace]

also how was i being rude

[median oriole]

this message?

[timid terrace]

I was only being rude to niantic's laziness

[timid terrace]

i actually feel bad

since they work for niantic without gaining anything

but burning time is different from this

[median oriole]

We gain more wayspots from reviewing, if nobody did then noone would get new pokestops.

[timid terrace]

ye maybe for a few countries

what about the other countries?

[junior umbra]

Nah, niantic would be forced to review themselves.

They're a 5-billion dollar company, they can pay peanuts to 10 indian guys to just review all day.

[median oriole]

roli said that didnt work..

[timid terrace]

someone should not be forced to either work for niantic like a slave or wait for a few years just to place ONE pokestop

[junior umbra]

I don't understand this sentence.

[junior umbra]

Ah yes clicking on screen for money is such a horrible thing. 😂

[median oriole]

sorry, i meant roli said that

[junior umbra]

I still don't understand what you are trying to say, write it out, please.

[median oriole]

Who said it is forced?

Niantic used to review wayspots pre-wayfarer, it didnt work that well

[timid terrace]

how else am I supposed to gain an upgrade?

[median oriole]

Who said you have to get an upgrade?

[timid terrace]

there's no other way to place a pokestop in my country

[median oriole]

Because nobody is reviewing maybe

[timid terrace]

yes

that's why they should hire people

not all people spend all day reviewing

[median oriole]

That wont work

[timid terrace]

how would you know

they could try it again

again and again

until they adapt

[median oriole]

Now that there are 10x more wayspots submitted?

[timid terrace]

yup

[junior umbra]

Depends on how they do it. If you can't fricking pay people to do it why not just give out some fricking incubators or passes to reviewers? The lack of appreciation to wayfarers is just asinine.

[timid terrace]

how else are people supposed to enjoy the game

[median oriole]

Man im out of this convo...

Im here to give wayfarer advice, not anything else

[junior umbra]

Fair enough.

And not like u made the system or anything

[timid terrace]

there's no point in defending them, since we both know that this reviewing thing is stupid in most cases

[junior umbra]

But it's still a ridiculous system

[median oriole]

I dont really care

[junior umbra]

That's fine

[timid terrace]

ong

gotta spend money for 1 raid

[errant horizon]

Has this already happened

?

[junior umbra]

Yes. They're now running maps from around march 2021 I believe, which is an improvement to 2019

[median oriole]

Not wayfarer related, but what pokehero said it correct. Only reported in Australia though

[vague plank]

I'm not sure if you understand what "like a slave" is. You want something? You have to put effort into it - that's just literally how the world works and the exact opposite of slave labor. If you don't like it, don't get involved, but if you have something constructive to share find the means to do so but just complaining isn't helping anyone.

[junior umbra]

Kinda agree on the slave thing, it's hyperbolic nonsense. I disagree with niantic quite a lot about amounts and details, and most certainly don't appreciate the way they treat wayfarers, but if you take/accept the view that niantic just made a system that lets players help players that's fine.

I do think since they've (apparently) said they can't do it, that means they need players for it and they should IMO be more appreciative for them.

So many stories of people getting really into wayfarer but then getting disillusioned/disheartened and just dropping it.

[vague plank]

That's definitely true and there's a LOT more Niantic could should be doing. I don't understand why they poorly manage Wayfarer and treat it as an underfunded start up (literally how they've described it), but it's also far from their power to ever give any other real incentives - especially into PoGO. It's never been explicit but it's highly implied at this point that there's subtle conflict of interest in there. TPC is where the rewards would ultimately be coming from and they won't want to reward Trainers for providing POI for Niantic's IP.

[junior umbra]

But they have done it, like the indian/russian campaigns. I don't understand how pokecoins or items or avatar poses or special research would have anything to do with TPC.

[wanton grove]

would it be nice if review times were quicker? yes
are there things niantic could change to make that happen? yes
will more folks completing more reviews also make it quicker? also yes

[wanton grove]

anything at all having to do with pogo has to be cleared with tpc, and giving pogo items for wayfarer actions is a decision ultimately made by the pogo team not the wayfarer team

[vague plank]

They also botched those events to some extent. The India challenge offered special spawns that they even couldn't fulfill to non-India participants.v

[junior umbra]

Now that sounds like niantic 😂

[vague plank]

They have hinted at, several times, trying to explore more options for rewards, like poses.

[junior umbra]

Ah yes. So it's basically office politics. That explains why it's such nonsense.

[lilac oasis]

we're not forced

[lilac oasis]

thanks for wriing something constructive and not talking out of your ass... yes things should definitely be better

[errant horizon]

YESSS

finallllyyy

they updated the roads in my area

There’s so many new roads

[bronze warren]

I hope not because there is a gym that is interactable from my house. Problem? They removed it a long time ago

[vague plank]

The map update happened and has nothing to do with Gyms.

[timid terrace]

don't got the energy to start this argument al over again

just leave it

[barren pulsar]

😂

[blazing condor]

Pls help, i keep getting rejected because "yeah", i did appeal but dont get an answer

[vague plank]

Appeals typically take months to hear back - I think they're still working on April's appeals or something?

Do you want to share examples of your nominations to see if there's anything we can help with, @blazing condor?

[junior umbra]

Appeals are like 6-9 months. You'll get notice when it's done.

[dire flower]

When can we get zoruas again?

[median oriole]

In the pokemon related channels

[barren pulsar]

Yeah my appeal from Feb just got approved this month

[median oriole]

awesome

[modern surge]

congrats

[tribal tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/im-proud-of-you-dan-levy-david-david-rose-schitts-creek-gif-20773745

[median oriole]

Yeah niantic has taken appeals as late as april 1st now

[floral mirage]

they recently reviewed one of mines from last year

[rotund totem]

I need a slowpoke(flegmon) pls

[tribal tendon]

This is for wayfarer only

[floral mirage]

proof u shouldn't use upgrades ever lol

[junior umbra]

Appeal?

[wanton grove]

one data point != proof

[floral mirage]

but two identical data points getting a different outcome is weird?

[wanton grove]

they aren't identical though

every Nomination receives a different subset of reviewers

your photos are different, your text may be too

lots of factors

plenty of things have taken two or three tries for me with or without upgrade

[quiet depot]

I hate that. Happens to me all the time.

People are jerks on upgraded content.

[floral mirage]

my guess would be that it gets more voters from the casuals who barely review

[sour oxide]

how do you scan a stop

[tiny mist]

Hello! Is there anybody that good at wayfarer and got stops accepted? I have a fast question

[empty sand]

Ok

Have a good day

[median oriole]

Yeah?

[floral mirage]

why the friend request?

[flint hawk]

I have a question so my pokestop got aprooved but he still not on the map im waiting for like 2 weeks now what can i do

?

[empty sand]

Ok

[wanton grove]

this likely means it is in the same L17 S2 map cell as another pokestop sorry

[flint hawk]

oh

thats bad

So how is it possible that is some places on earth there are like 15 pokestops to eachother

[wanton grove]

sometimes it's favorable cell boundaries, but a lot of the places you're thinking of are where players took advantage of how the system used to handle location edits to create those clusters. it's not possible any more

[junior umbra]

Cells are smaller the closer to the equator you go. Also sponsored stops and what @wanton grove said.

[prime pine]

What would be a good description and additional information for this trail sign

[wanton grove]

that's a pipeline marker not a trail sign sorry

[prime pine]

😬

[junior umbra]

"This is the trail of water as guided by our forefathers and those blokes with big shovels."

[modern surge]

😂

[quiet depot]

Can anyone notice the lewd graffiti here? I tried my best to wipe it clean. Thus shouldn't struggle to pass, right?

[median oriole]

Looks good

[modern surge]

looks very nice

[cursive garnet]

Hola

[modern surge]

[modern surge]

Is this in Rotterdam Netherlands or Rotterdam NY (looks like Rotterdam NY)

[abstract pivot]

Is this channel about making new pokestops

[wanton grove]

yes it is

[abstract pivot]

How do i make one on my house im lvl 37

[wanton grove]

wayspots/pokestops are not allowed at private residences, so depending on your living situation that may be impossible

and regardless of location, you must find something that meets niantic's criteria

[abstract pivot]

Hold on

[abstract pivot]

Bird feedet

Feeder*

Will that work?

[wanton grove]

probably not, sorry

wayspots need to be a great place to exercise, explore, or be social
i don't see how a small bird feeder is any of those

[abstract pivot]

Idk ive seen places that have a pokestop where its just graffiti

[median oriole]

Doesnt mean they are eligible/eligible now. Alot of things that are in game might not meet criteria

And grafitti doesnt really meet removal criteria unless the grafitti itself is removed
Public official grafitti walls and official murals are eligible

And also a tip for new submitters: Dont submit something you are unsure about what criteria it fits

[junior umbra]

Just got a mural declined ugh

[vague plank]

What kind?

[narrow quail]

Hoops

[low whale]

How long will the wayspot that I recomended get out of the voting thing like how much hours till it gets accepted or declined

[wanton grove]

could be later today, could be several months from now. every area is different, and it's not even the same for every Nomination in the same area

your best bet is to ask someone in your local area who's nominated things

or wait and see

[analog niche]

Or use upgrade

[slate zephyr]

Schools are not allowed as pokestops?

[wanton grove]

correct

[junior umbra]

And anything on school grounds

[normal vault]

No nothing with schools or on school property

[junior umbra]

yes

[junior umbra]

Oh, I haven't complained about this before, but WTF niantic? u release TWO different apps at the same time? the wayfarer app AND campfire? do u really have ZERO coordination? ugh

and NEITHER of those apps shows cells!?

[lunar heart]

There are different teams for both apps.

[wanton grove]

they're never going to show cells in any app

[junior umbra]

Yeah and that's dumb af.

[wanton grove]

is it dumb that pogo and ingress have different teams?

they're completely different apps with entirely different purposes

[lunar heart]

Teams of workers.

[junior umbra]

Oh please that's different, wayfarer and campfire literally both exist to support pogo, them being separate is incompetent management at best.

[wanton grove]

that's not at all what the wayfarer app is

[junior umbra]

Ok, fill me in then

Since it appears I'm confused.

[wanton grove]

campfire is meant to be the cross-game social platform and the gym map is just one thing it does along with that

the wayfarer app its current state is primarily focused on helping third party developers making new apps on the Lightship AR platform

in fact, it was already combined with the wayfarer team's goal of having a mobile app to replace/augment the existing website

there aren't enough resources to make a lightship dev app and a wayfarer app so they combined those two

the features the wayfarer app had at launch focused on AR scanning, and seeing information about AR scans

this enables those devs to test out their features on real Wayspots with enough scans to have an accurate 3d mesh of the object in its surroundings

more recently they enabled new Wayspot nomination and editing of existing Wayspots which may someday replace the Nomination/edit process within games

[junior umbra]

Okay fair enough that makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.

[dapper wagon]

I want to use wayfarer+, but it doesn't work Do you know how to use it?

[tribal tendon]

Have a look at the pinned messages It’s explained there how to enter it plus information about it.

[wanton grove]

wayfarer+ broke long ago and has been replaced by individual addons that provide most of the same functions

you can find them all on this website:
wayfarer.tools

sorry I'm not allowed by the bot to post an actual link here

[wind pumice]

[fallow hatch]

Yo I got shiny laios

[junior umbra]

Are you going to make it into a pokestop?

[lilac oasis]

wrong channel

[fallow hatch]

Oh what cannel

@lilac oasis

[lilac oasis]

i dk but not this one

[fallow hatch]

Wrong pickture

[modern surge]

You can use #brag-it to show cool catches, and #go-chat or #trainer-lounge if you just wanna chat

this channel is for discussing anything regarding Wayfarer

[robust wyvern]

@halcyon veldt That link is not allowed.

[untold moat]

#go-chat

[full turret]

I have a Pokémon go account linked to a gmail, pokemon.com verifies it, but when I try to login to wayfarer it does not work, says that the gmail is not linked to an existing account. I am also level 39

[analog niche]

Crazy

[lilac oasis]

It needs tobbe your current way you login in game, not just be linked

[modern surge]

Wait so if you both have trainerclub and google link, but mostly use trainer club to log in, you can’t use google for wayfarer?

[full turret]

I figured it out 👍 sorry about that

[junior umbra]

What was it?

[full turret]

I actually hadn’t linked google 😂 could’ve swore I did

My apologies

[serene cobalt]

Z

[harsh hull]

Wailords back

[wanton grove]

wailfarer?

[fallow hatch]

Is anyone in Europe

[median oriole]

Probably

[wind prism]

No,they all die

[fallow hatch]

Haha…😐

Jk

[median oriole]

#friend-codes please

[median oriole]

#friend-codes..

[maiden stump]

What is wayfarer

[median oriole]

Niantics system for submitting and reviewing waypoints that they may use in their games

[vague plank]

*submitting and reviewing

[dusty rivet]

thanks!

the page of the plugin in the link is no longer available

[grizzled quest]

One sec

Hang on waiting for Jamie to get back to me

[dusty rivet]

tqvm really appreciate it!

[grizzled quest]

All good

[wanton grove]

which plugin are you looking for?

[analog niche]

Yes(for now), also wrong channel

[junior umbra]

Better fricking not be since they advertised it. But niantic gonna niantic

[dusty rivet]

dont worry i found it

[grizzled quest]

Does anyone need help with reviewing nominations in your area. My bonus location is almost up.

[wanton grove]

is this a PokeStop?

[wanton grove]

Atlanta and Chicago both have 1-2+ year backlogs if you're interested in reviewing in the US

[lilac oasis]

And Los Angeles

[tulip hemlock]

Can anyone help me nominate some local points? Thanks in advance

[grizzled quest]

No we can't

https://niantic.helpshift.com/hc/en/21-wayfarer/faq/2770-eligibility-criteria/

[median oriole]

We can help you find things to submit though, but reading the criteria section on Wayfarer is a great way to start.

It doesnt include everything thats eligible. But if you are unsure if its eligible, dont submit it. You can always ask here

[silent siren]

Will accepted pokestops get nominated in other niantic games since the email that is being sent when a pokestop gets accepted says that…

Ive got 8 accepted nominations and only 1 of them is being shown in pogo

[wanton grove]

only one wayspot will become a PokeStop per each level 17 cell on the S2 grid map

despite what the text says, you're nominating wayspots and it's an entirely other process that determines if the approved wayspot also becomes a PokeStop

[junior umbra]

I think level 14 and 17 is for stops? But I often get confused about those.

[wanton grove]

14 is for gyms

[abstract pivot]

The emojis 🤨

[silent siren]

How do I know what lvl is a cell

And where can I see a S2 grid map?

[median oriole]

s2.sidewalklabs.com/regioncoverer/ shows the cells over the world and you can choose the sizes

L14 and L17 is the ones you are probably looking for

[silent siren]

Thanks

[junior umbra]

Pogomap . Info

[median oriole]

That map isnt 100% accurate

[junior umbra]

So the sidewalklabs is more accurate?

[median oriole]

Its the correct one

pgomap info is off in alot of places

[wanton grove]

the bigger issue with pogomaps is the reliability of PokeStop data. the S2 cells should render just fine

the ideal is to setup iitc

[junior umbra]

Yeah seems about the same in both at least for my usecase

[grizzled quest]

I just use this more better then anything else

[median oriole]

Yeah IITC is the best way to see the cells with pogo Tools plugin

[indigo wing]

Tier 3 raids

[median oriole]

??

[silent siren]

I just downloaded another niantic game and showed me another accepted nomination of mine. And I also found the same nominations from pogo in that game. Does that mean that my nominations will get shown in pogo in the future?

[silent siren]

I know its complicating

[median oriole]

No, i just saw it just as it got deleted

Well basically, all approved nominations go into one database called Lightship
After the "wayspots" appear there, once a day most will sync into either Pokemon go or Ingress if there is nothing stopping them from doing so.

Pokemon GO has a grid system called the S2 cells to limit the amount of pokestops in a smaller area, which often stops close proximity wayspots from appearing as pokestops

Ingress has a 20 meter radius rule

I assume the other Niantic game you downloaded was Ingress?

[silent siren]

Cuz I wrote a typo

[median oriole]

You can edit by pressing the ✏️ , hold your message on mobile, or hover your mouse above the message on desktop

[silent siren]

But theres a place where I grind in com days since there are 25 stops in a very small area

[median oriole]

Yeah, the grid system was heavily abused before 2021

[silent siren]

So Im late…

[median oriole]

You could move stops into occupied cells, and the stops wouldnt disappear.

It was fun while it lasted for most people, i kinda dont like the clusters...

You couldnt press on pokemon below without a GO plus

[silent siren]

But in ingress I saw 2 more stops in my area and one was mine

So the grid system doesn’t work on ingress

[median oriole]

No, just 20 meter rule

[silent siren]

Ok thanks

[hushed pollen]

How long does it take for my application to be reviewed?

[lunar heart]

A week to three years ish

Depends on the backlog of your country

[hushed pollen]

Hopefully it’s not 3 years

[fathom nebula]

Is it possible for a stop to show up in pogo when it has been placed on a same s14 cell of a gym but far apart?

[wanton grove]

do you mean L17 cell? 14 is big and can have up to 3 gyms and many stops

[fathom nebula]

L17 mb

The stop was accepted today but it was in a cell of a gym but far apart, im kinda worried lol

[floral mirage]

if u move the stop it will appear

[floral mirage]

it has to be in a different S17 cell to appear, that's the rules

[fathom nebula]

Is there any way to move it like a slither just to get it out of that cell?

[floral mirage]

you can try asking niantic, if that's a big object like a basketball court for minimum several locations for it could make sense

it's definetely not an easy task to get something moved without an ingress account

[fathom nebula]

Damn, it was a mural but not a wide one. Ty tho!

[median oriole]

Approved today? Daily sync happens in about 1-3 hours

[modern notch]

Can someone explain to me what this level 37 pokestop thing is

[tribal tendon]

There’s a lot of helpful information in the pinned messages in here, but short story is, that you can nominate new Pokestops which then get reviewed in Niantic wayfarer and if accepted, they might appear in Pokémon GO

[tribal tendon]

Handled thank you

[junior umbra]

Are appeals off? Can't make any.

[median oriole]

Once every 30 days

[junior umbra]

ohh

that makes sense thanks

if only niantic had some way of communicating these things 🤷

[median oriole]

Wayfarer forums

Wayforums

[meager saddle]

How long does queue take to make a pokestop?

[grizzled quest]

The simple answer is yes. Moving a stop would bit more complicated though. You need a high level ingress account to be eligible to submit edits, so just making an ingress account won't help you.

[fathom nebula]

Will it show up if successful?

[grizzled quest]

I can move portals because I've been playing ingress before Pogo came out.. But i only move it if it's necessary to be placed at a more accurate location. Moving portals will drop links and fields, potentially undoing the efforts of large operations. But in doing so i have to be mindful if it is part of a field.

[junior umbra]

You can make suggestions in pogo to move a stop tho, it'll go through wayfarer

[median oriole]

Places where you can move:
Pokémon GO: Only with wayspots that appear in pokemon go as gym or pokestops
Ingress: All portals
Wayfarer Help Chat: All wayspots

But as ngati said, only move if it makes the location better or more accurate. Moving inaccurately to get a wayspot into an open cell is considered abuse and can lead to suspension

[median oriole]

Voting and queue times are area dependant. You should ask someone near you that does wayfarer about how long it takes for them
You can bypass the wait by getting upgrades.

For now the only correct answer is between 2 days and 3 years.
Less than 6 months is considered fast

[winged galleon]

Happy birthdaaaaaay!! @old widget

[tawdry burrow]

Okay so I got an accepted pokestop that was supposed to go next to the pokestop next to that gym. It’s pretty close tho. Is that why it doesn’t appear in game? It’s been more than two days

[vague plank]

If it's been 2 days and it's "pretty close" it's most likely too close and "blocked" from PoGO due to the proximity inclusion rules the game uses.

[lunar heart]

Most likely because youve threw it in a cell already occupied by the stop.

[tawdry burrow]

Yeah two in one L17… learn something new every day lol

[vague plank]

I saw the detailed explanation you got elsewhere 😄 glad you got the answers you wanted!

[hushed pollen]

What app or site is that?

I couldn’t manage to find it

[grizzled quest]

IITC Mobile

[hushed pollen]

Ty

[grizzled quest]

If you need the pogo tools let me know

[hushed pollen]

Yeah, how do I get them?

[grizzled quest]

Are you on android or iPhone

[hushed pollen]

iPhone

[hushed pollen]

When I click the link I see this

[grizzled quest]

But open ittc and tap where i have drawn the arrow and tap layer and then select highlight pogo tools

[hushed pollen]

It shows a bunch of code when I click it

[hushed pollen]

My stop got put into the game:))

[grizzled quest]

Yeah, i don't know much about iPhone but i can send you a link to Wayfarer Discussion discord. I also think @median oriole @wanton grove are on it. I think someone on there might be able to help you with iPhone because I'm more Android

[wanton grove]

yeah i'm not very familiar with the process on ios unfortunately but there are definitely some folks in that other discord who are
one thing to check, do you actually have the IITC app installed?

[grizzled quest]

https://discord.gg/niawayfarer

@wanton grove If you need anything shared just let me know

[wanton grove]

i know on android, when the app is installed the script link should take you to the app rather than open it as text in a browser

[fathom nebula]

Any ideas of how many days does an appeal take before you receive a reply?

[median oriole]

7 months now, might change both ways

[fathom nebula]

Well, rip to that Church.

[junior umbra]

I don't think the church is going anywhere tho

[vivid vale]

Guys can u help me and make me a stop or gym

[grizzled quest]

We can't

[lilac oasis]

Are you lvl 37 in pogo or 10 in ingress?

[grizzled quest]

They're asking us to help them in which we can't

[lilac oasis]

I figured... but just in case

[lone siren]

last three days one of gym in our area disappear then one pokestop became a poke gym

can someone explain to me why it happen?

[median oriole]

The other took its spot

[lilac oasis]

someone reported the gym for removal

[grizzled quest]

Not necessarily not when another stop took its spot.

[wanton grove]

if another gym was created then it likely was a report. if there was no replacement then it could be other reasons, like the gym was moved and the cell had too many gyms. but in that instance it usually remains as a pokestop

[grizzled quest]

Yeah,we had a gym that was reported due to traffic of players and trainers not respecting the establishment. So they reported the gym to Niantic and it was removed no stop to take its place. A bit further up a stop was replaced with a gym.

[vivid vale]

I am 38

[hushed pollen]

Another one of my stops got nominated:)

[junior umbra]

u mean accepted?

or gymified?

[median oriole]

Approved as wayspot and a possible pokestop?

[hushed pollen]

Yeah

[lilac oasis]

Have you familiarized yourself with criteria and taken the test?

[quartz ridge]

Are bus stops considered good nominations or should I not?

[median oriole]

Not good nominations

Bus terminals can be eligible sometimes

Bus stops are not

[quartz ridge]

Okay thanks for the info

[robust zinc]

How do u create gyms?

[median oriole]

By having a certain amount of stops near each other

[tribal tendon]

There are information about this in the pinned messages

[median oriole]

One of the pinned messages is misleading. Ingress does not determine what becomes a gym anymore, now pokemon go photos + likes count

[keen swift]

would a residential care centre qualify? Kinda on the fence myself, since you dont want facilities with disabled people and the elderly flooded with teens playing pokemon go

[wanton grove]

the centre itself doesn't seem to meet any of the three criteria.
if there's something on the grounds that does meet one or more of the criteria then yes you'd need to determine whether it was an appropriate location or not

[robust zinc]

Ok thank you mod

[rain abyss]

Idek why but someone removed a gym from a Circle K, I thought it was a bug or something and kept resetting my game. Is it even possible to remove a sponsored pokestop or gym?

[median oriole]

Circle K ended their deal with Niantic. Nothing to do with Wayfarer

[raw nest]

Ah rip, I was wondering the same thing lol

[vague plank]

Players/Wayfarer reviewers cannot remove a Sponsored Stop or Gym (or Wayspot in general). Those are handled internally by the Niantic PoGO team and usually done automatically and en masse.

[tribal tendon]

Thank you. I will have a look at it

[ebon glacier]

I can’t see some of the chat sections like Brag it and general

Did they remove it???

[tribal tendon]

No it is still there

[tribal tendon]

You probably clicked to hide it. Try click on #trainer-lounge again.

[analog relic]

Can someone share with me the remote raid channel? I don't understand why I can't see them now.

[gentle gull]

You have to get verified in the nurse joy channel

[raw nest]

So locally-owned non-chain restaurants/diners can be nominated, correct?

[median oriole]

If you can prove its uniqueness and its a place to socialize yes

[raw nest]

Sweet thanks

[prisma aurora]

How do you guys do raid?

I can’t find any

[fallow hatch]

You need to verify

[flat valve]

How?

[crimson river]

What are all the diff shiny rates

[wanton grove]

can the channel permission stuff get fixed and explained? seems like no one can figure it out

[modern surge]

Can't you send links?

[wanton grove]

oh I asked a few weeks ago if we could have perms to share links here since it's often helpful when answering wayfarer questions

December 2022 Wayfarer AMA responses
https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/comment/188794/#Comment_188794

i was supposed to check and make sure i could and get back to him. looks like the answer is yes

[keen swift]

I wish there was a way to check the reviews you made that werent accepted. That way you could learn from them

[median oriole]

That is the reviewing stats

There is a page for nominations

Click on the three bars on the top

Should be between the review page and profile page

The stats you show above is from reviewing. You rejected 19 nominations and the majority did the same. Same thing with approved and duplicate

[keen swift]

I know, but doesntrejected mean you approved it znd it didnt go through?

[wanton grove]

no, it means you rejected it and the consensus agreed it should be rejected

there's no way to see what you're talking about aka "disagreements"

[keen swift]

Oh wow, my bad

Thanks for explaining

[wanton grove]

all good, it's not super obvious

[keen swift]

So doubles is the same? I marked them as double and others agreed?

[wanton grove]

yep

[median oriole]

And approved yes

[keen swift]

Cool, thx

[median oriole]

There is also a hidden count for edit agreements

[keen swift]

I thought I was messing up

[median oriole]

I misunderstood your question first, thanks tehstone for clearing it up

[fathom nebula]

Please rate my photo of this Basketball Court. idk why this got rejected for orientation; and body part, would be this normally have people playing?

[vague plank]

"Orientation" is a pretty bad rejection for that photo. "Body part" is because you have people in the photo. I don't think they're clear enough in focus that it should have been rejected, but your reviewers didn't like it. The photo isn't great and I couldn't immediately tell it was a photo of a basketball court. I'd suggest taking a photo inside of the fence and without people in it.

Like, this court is similarly enclosed but it's more immediately recognizable and I went at a time I didn't think there would be anyone using the court.

[modern surge]

perfect example

[fathom nebula]

oh ok thanks guys! ill just hope for an appeal coz im too lazy to drive to the next city just to re-nominate it. lol

[median oriole]

How far away is it? You can nominate from 10km away with GO. 25km with Ingress

[grand nest]

does a new wayspot always spawn as pokestop or is there a chance that it spawns as an arena?

[formal yoke]

Well it's not by chance, there is a reason behind it. The world is split into S2 cells, try find a map which displays level 14 S2 cells. If one of these cells has 2 pokestops inside of if, one will become a gym, if it has 6 another will become a gym, and if it has 20 another will become a gym

These cells are different sizes in different places due to the curvature of the earth, but on average theyre 0.32km²

I'm fairly sure the intel map shows them, but downloading it takes more steps then I have time to put here

[grand nest]

Ah ok 🙂 thank you very much so far

[solid trellis]

How easy is it to make a pokestop?

[median oriole]

Quite easy when you know how to do it right

quite hard if you put 0 effort into it

[fallow hatch]

2158 4302 8168

[lunar heart]

Easy

[solid trellis]

Ok

[lilac oasis]

But... they need a new photo

[austere urchin]

Can’t get in a raid

[rugged nacelle]

How to get a pokestop or gym in my area

[proper fractal]

How do I nominate a pokestop ? Somone pls help I’ve taken a test on wayfarer and dunno next step to nominate pls help

[proper fractal]

I think I see now when I go back to my app it has a nomination info through settings

Is it hard to get a house 🏡 n a resident Al neighborhood pokestopped ???

[proper fractal]

Is it hard to make a house one ???

[wanton grove]

wayspots are not allowed at single family homes

and you have to nominate something that meets criteria

[proper fractal]

Do they ever get approved and wrk tho ?? A street in my neighborhood has one by a park it’s not even really by the park but more so in the middle of the steeet by ppls houses

All mine are far away and I want one close / how bad are my chances of making my house one ?

[proper fractal]

What if it’s a dog grooming place ? A neighbor has his house as his wrk place and figured I could take that photo

Proly best idia huh take photo of dog groomer neighbors sign and put it to the street ?

[median oriole]

That doesnt sound eligible. Its just a generic business

On wayfarer site, go to the criteria page and read a bit

[keen swift]

What do you guys thknk of houses with their building date displayed on them?

There's a house near me with it's date (1889) displayed on it. I wanna nominate it, bug doubt it'll get accepted due to it being a regular house

[median oriole]

Its old, but old doesnt mean historic or eligible. If there i history behind that building, write it in the description and use the supporting info to show the sources, if there are any

If its a normal single family home, forget it

[keen swift]

yea, thought so, was just hoping it'd maybe be eligible considering I have 0 stops I can reach from home

[vague plank]

I don't have any Stops I can reach from home, but I've submitted over 500 eligible Wayspots.

[keen swift]

Ive only submitted like 50 so far, but yea

just sucks

[vague plank]

That's a good start! Hopefully you'll get some added on your walking routes or to/from daily areas to be able to benefit from them.

[modern surge]

Ones along my daily commute are my favorite to get accepted 😁

[scarlet remnant]

hi guys i am about to hit level 37 and i have almost no stops or gyms nearby so i want to submit ideas, although idk what are the rules or how to make the submissions accepted so can someone pls explain to me 🙂

[keen swift]

you go to the settings tab in PoGo, then you scroll down to new pokestop. That will take you to the wayfarere site. There, you'll first have to read the rules and you'll be quizzed on them. It's ok to fail the first time, I think you can keep taking the exam till you get it right. After that you will be able to submit your own pokestops.

You'll need to provide the location, a pic of the pokestop, a pic of the surroundings, a title and a description, as well as an explanation of why this spot would be a good pokestop

A good thing to remember, a pokestop should either be: A) A good place to explore, B) A good place to socialize or C) a good place to exercise together

If you have any more questions about the whole process you can always ask em here

[vague plank]

One minor clarification is that description is no longer optional while submitting.

There are a few examples listed on the https://niantic.helpshift.com/hc/en/21-wayfarer/faq/2770-eligibility-criteria/?p=web&s=wayspot-acceptance-criteria website but plenty of other things can be nominated.

[scarlet remnant]

Thank you

[keen swift]

It isn't? My bad, then

Was this a recent change?

[vague plank]

It used to be optional to submit. For a while you could edit text out online. I'm not sure when exactly they changed it.

It's not required for reviewing, though, since not all nominations in the system may have had descriptions added.

[keen swift]

Ah, I see, that must be why I was confused

[raw nest]

So imma take a shot in the dark here and say that if I wanted to nominate a locally owned restaurant and used a picture of the sign on the outside of the restaurant as the wayspot photo, the sign can't contain stuff like phone numbers?

[vague plank]

The sign can contain the phone number for the business (or other nearby businesses).

You may want to consider using a photograph of the restaurant building itself, depending on which one you can make more photogenic. Restaurant signs are usually raised up (difficult to take a picture of) and by the street (potentially unsafe pedestrian access) and will have more background "noise" than a building that will likely take up most of the frame.

[keen swift]

Why doesnt the Wayfarer badge correspond with the site? Site says I have 280 agreements, but ingame I have 360

[wanton grove]

if you total up the number of agreements based on upgrades earned + current percentage it will be much closer to the game number

but the two are not perfectly in sync. and if your rating dips below Good then agreements earned won't count towards the game

[keen swift]

Scientology having a pokestop just feels wrong...

[median oriole]

Same thing with Jehovas witnesses

[keen swift]

Maybe, I don't know that much about them, but I know that scientology is extremely shady

[median oriole]

Same thing with Jehovas witnesses

Both are really cult like

[wind sonnet]

Tbf if Christianity weren't already a huge religion they would be granted the same label

[edgy edge]

its a place of worship none the less

[keen swift]

So, I have a question.

I upgraded my nomination yesterday and it still hasn't entered the voting phase. Other upgrades went through much faster, so I was wondering if there's a reason for the delay.

Could it have to do with it being close to other wayspots?
The red dots on the map here ard both Poi's (on the left is gym, right is pokestop).

[wanton grove]

did you just nominate it? this is common, there's a 2-4 day wait period for new nominations before they go into voting even if upgraded

[keen swift]

Oh, was unaware, thanks for telling me!

[tulip hemlock]

Can anyone make a pokestop in front of my house? Can send my address

Thanks

It's kinda dead around me

Someone should make a pokestop

[wanton grove]

no sorry

[tulip hemlock]

It was a question in general, not just towards you sir

Thank you anyways

[wanton grove]

no one can, that requires spoofing and pokestops aren't allowed at houses.

you can't nominate further than 10km from your current location

[median oriole]

Thats not how this works kaelan

[keen swift]

that would definitly be considered abuse, and I dont think anyone here wants to risk their nomination-privilege because you wanted a more convenient pokestop

[lilac oasis]

negative

[lime crater]

if i build a statue in front of my house and put a plaque on it do you reckon i could nominate it

[vague plank]

Not if it is on private single family residential property.

If it's on an apartment complex or shared housing grounds it could be but you'd need to check with the complex management.

[median oriole]

Short answer: You will most likely never get a pokestop at your house, not legitimately

And if you somehow get one illegitimately approved on your property, people can report it and your account can be affected (banned/suspended)

Dont risk it

[keen swift]

Spraying a grafitti-artwork at the side of your house would be the best way to get your own pokestop, but I dont think your parents would like that, lol

[median oriole]

No...??

Grafitti isnt eligible either

I dont know where you are from, but that is really bad advice

Please follow the criteria when helping people here

[keen swift]

I was just joking, lol

[median oriole]

Okay

[keen swift]

Did you seriously think I'd recommend someone dpraypaints their house?😆

[median oriole]

Some people actually give out advice like that

Too many people.

[solid trellis]

Would these be good

[keen swift]

All look good, aside from maybe #3 and the last one

Not sure what those are supposed to be

[solid trellis]

It's my local beach

How do you make a gym

[vague plank]

Gyms are more or less made the same as new PokéStops, they all come from the same place. The number in a specific area determines number of Gyms vs number of Stops.

There's lot more to it.
https://pokemongohub.net/post/article/comprehensive-guide-s2-cells-pokemon-go/
This is one of the better articles on the subject.

[keen swift]

Bad title and description, supporting image is the same as wayspot image, and there's absolutely no playground in sight.. My question is: what criteria do I deny this on?

[median oriole]

Was the photo real low quality? Same photos in main and supporting almost never means legit

Yep, watermark. Stolen photo

[keen swift]

Rip, now I regret not marking it as abuse

[vague plank]

You have a screenshot with the title & location. You can use it to report it through the help chat. Click on ?Help on the left and then tap the orange 💬 icon on the bottom right. It'll ask for some prompts that you should be able to walk through and report it.

[keen swift]

Just got a wayspot accepted that's accesible from my home!

[keen swift]

Is it true that any wayspot that's been accepted before 7 am will be implemented at 9 pm? I read that in a thread from 3yrs ago and wanted to know if it was still accurate

[wanton grove]

it depends on timezones of course, but that sounds a bit off.
currently in the Pacific timezone (US west coast) the daily cutoff time seems to be around 9-9:02AM and then the sync time is anywhere from 10:45AM-11:15PM (though sometimes even later than that)
so generally speaking the two are only 2 hours apart
if your local 7AM is earlier than the PST 9AM then yes it should sync that same day

[keen swift]

Oh, mustve misread it as 7 am instead of pm, my bad

[vague plank]

Sync was a few hours ago, so if it was just approved it wouldn't but should sync tomorrow in 22ish hours, if I'm accounting for DST right.

[keen swift]

Was approved 3-ish hours ago, was just wondering when it'd be in pogo

[vague plank]

Then should be 22 hours from now. Congrats 🎉

[keen swift]

Thx!

[keen swift]

Looking for someone to swap bonus locations with, I live near Mechelen in Belgium and speak English, Dutch and some French and German

[median oriole]

You could ask in the Wayfarer discussion discord, there are more active people there

[median oriole]

oh you already did

[keen swift]

Indeed :>

Thx for the tip tho

[stoic flame]

I may Ask here 2, can i make this pokestop into a gym and if so, How do i make it into a gym?

[median oriole]

To make a gym there has to be a certain number of stops/gym in a certain area. If you dont mind i can show you the "certain area"

If you are comfortable with telling me where that stop is, i can post a screenshot of the cell. and tell you how many stops left you need for a gym

[stoic flame]

This is the place i want a gym

I feel like we dont have many gyms here

[median oriole]

I dont know where that is

I wont be able to know a location by just seeing the pogo overworld

[stoic flame]

Can i dm u?

[median oriole]

yes

[modern surge]

Got this one approved Today!!

And one of these 3 with the same name (Yes I am very good at coming up with names) got accepted yesterday.

it was one that doesn't have the word Weelde capitalized

[keen swift]

Congrats!

[modern surge]

thanks!

[tribal tendon]

Nice!

[tribal tendon]

You’ve been busy lol

[lilac oasis]

waypoints are to have unique names

[modern surge]

Thanks for making me aware, I’ll submit a name change for a few . And keep it in mind for future nominations.

[modern surge]

This one I nominated over 2 years finally got accepted by Niantic Review.

[thick wave]

I need to get by the bridge with my cookie boat. Finna pull a eleon musk on a bridge

[vague plank]

I forget the exact "age," but nominations are getting pulled into Niantic review or getting "free" upgrades that are about the age of your nomination. They're trying to clear out everything from 2020 going into this summer.

I have 2 from November 2020 that should get pulled, soon.

[lilac oasis]

2 years 3-4 months gets either "pulled" for Niantic review or prioritized like an invisible upgrade

[vague plank]

Ah, there it is. My November 5, 2020 nomination just got approved.

[modern surge]

Nicee

[modern surge]

That’s good to hear! Do nominations of basketball courts now also get priority because of the upcoming launch of NBA all world?

[vague plank]

Allegedly they're working the backend for that, but we've yet to see it working how they've explained it.

If you're planning on nominating basketball courts I wouldn't wait, though.

[modern surge]

Ah okay

[modern surge]

I think most of them are wayspots around here. Also, can’t wait to try out NBA All world

[vague plank]

Not sure how NBA will pull Wayspots, but if they're basketball courts you frequently visit I'd suggest categorizing them as "basketball court" in PoGO through the PokéStop contribution screen. You have to be in interaction range and it is only available in GO at this time.

[modern surge]

Ah thanks, Will do that next time I come across one.

Got these two trail markers accepted yesterday

also, almost had a new stop nearby 😓

[fallow hatch]

How long would it take for one to be approved

Like the last one took 6 days and I just submitted my mail boxes and I’m reading it can take up to 2 years

[wanton grove]

depends on your area. but I'm sorry to say that mailboxes typically don't meet criteria

[fallow hatch]

Mine will HES built dif

[wanton grove]

k

[raw nest]

Sorry I never saw this until now lol

It's a big poster-board kinda sign put up on the front entrance on ground level

It was declined and I'm not entirely sure why

That's why I figured the sign couldn't have the phone number

Pokestop photo + surrounding area. The blacked out bit is the phone number

[keen swift]

Take a picture of thd building, but include the left half of the sign

The part without the phone number

[median oriole]

phone numbers in photo are allowed

[vague plank]

I assume you didn't submit that photo, right? But yes, phone numbers are fine, it's publicly available.

Restaurants and businesses in general are known for being very difficult nominations. Many reviewers insist it must be highly rated, unique, or standout in some way.

Whatever you can do in the description and supporting text to make it at and out as to why the business encourages socializing or exploring will help improve your chances of approval.

That edited photo would be ineligible.

[raw nest]

Yeah I submitted the unedited versions for the nominations I just blacked out the phone number for this chat lol

There's a locally owned stone-baked pizza place a couple communities down that was accepted and after submitting the nomination I realized that the descriptions and supporting texts were really similar

[fathom nebula]

Question. Which supermarkets can be eligible and which can not?

[keen swift]

Chain stores are a definite no, but local markets and possibly markets from other cultures (think: asian stores etc) can be eligible

(Correct me if I'm wrong)

[fathom nebula]

I got a Korean supermarket rejected by Niantic.

Two of the supermarkets of a popular corp got accepted and one supermarket from the same corp got rejected 5 times.

A supermarket also from a popular corp also got accepted.

I just don't get it lol.

[keen swift]

Gotta remember that reviewers are just regular people: they can be biased and not all of them fully know the criteria

If you resubmit the Korean store, try to underline the cultural significance, and the importance to the community

[formal yoke]

If it's a general supermarket, you have no chance. The only stores that I would accept would be things like markets, or stores which are unique and interesting. The ones from the corp shouldve been rejected, so you're lucky with those

[robust venture]

Maybe the other supermarkets got accepted because of promotion or partnerships

[buoyant lintel]

is shelter(like when it rains people can go under it) a good nomination? just a shelter

[median oriole]

If its a place you go to socialize: Eligible
If its a place just to shelter from certain weather: Not eligible

[sullen mauve]

if I have 3 days left before I become best friends with someone, is there any way to speed that up so I can get the special trade discount before the end of tomorrow

[cyan drift]

would a street sign be accepted as a pokestop?

like just a sign on the side of a wall saying the street name

[median oriole]

https://wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/new/criteria/eligibility

Eligibility criteria. there are 4 criteria lists you can read

It has to be a place to (where you go to):
Explore
Exercise
Socialize

And to be eligible, a candidate needs to meet one or more of those three criterias. And not meet a single rejection criteria

https://wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/new/criteria/rejection

As for a street sign, its the second image listed as an example of a BAD nomination

[cyan drift]

ah ok thanks for telling

[raw nest]

If it's something like a gazebo then it should be good

[fallow hatch]

My submitting got approved on Friday how long until it’s out in

[past meteor]

is a local repair shop a good wayfarer stop?

[median oriole]

If its just a generic one, probably not

Two links above will send you to the criteria page

[vague plank]

If it was approved Friday we've had several sync times since then. If yours hasn't shown up, yet, it's likely blocked from PoGO.

Barring skips/delays, sync happens daily with "the next day" usually catching anything the day prior. Not sure what time zone you're in, but it's once per day, globally, at the same time.

[dusk apex]

if i want a specific stop sign to become a poke stop. how do i go about getting it approved? the location is good bht it’s literally just a stop sign my friend ran over

[wanton grove]

a stop sign doesn't meet any of the eligibility criteria so you should not even bother submitting one

before you nominate anything I would recommend logging into the Wayfarer website and reading the criteria for wayspots

[fallow hatch]

Wait so it’s not gonna be in Pokémon go? Then why would they approve it

[vague plank]

The nomination process isn't about submitting PokéStops, you're nominating for the "Wayfarer" database. Once accepted, they may be used in any of Niantic's games, such as Ingress, Pikmin: Bloom, or the NBA game.

Niantic doesn't do a good job explaining this, but not all games use all Wayspots.

[fallow hatch]

Bruh L niantic

[vague plank]

TPC is also responsible for lack of clarity 💁‍♂️

[robust zinc]

how do I make a pokestop/gym in pokemon go?

Is there a level limit or smth

[lilac oasis]

Lvl 38 in pogo, but read the above conversation about nominating waypoints and not pokestops

[robust zinc]

im exactly lvl 38

[summer dagger]

What in the poke balls 😭

[brave pawn]

What about places that have nothing really in sight and no big things for a nomination, I live on a small island so there’s really nothing here, and only about 2 poke stops

[median oriole]

Thats just how it is. Not every place has candidates

But there is probably something to submit that is eligible, look for candidates on trails, beaches and other public areas.

Trail markers, picnic areas, beach (something man made on the beach as an anchor for the beach)

If you want to, you can DM me your location and i can check for candidates through street view and satellite images

[buoyant lintel]

how long does it take to get nomination accepted and get the stop in game?

[median oriole]

How long thing takes in review is different for every area, its best to ask someone local who does wayfarer on how long it takes there. Upgrades can speed up the review process. It could be 2 days, a few months or 2+ years. After approval, it takes up to 48 hours (says on the email) and will show up in the game if nothing else is blocking it (also says in the email "not every wayspot will appear in every game")

[buoyant lintel]

what does that mean that it Will no appear? like it is going to be in other niantic games?

[vague plank]

The nomination process isn't about submitting PokéStops, you're nominating for the "Wayfarer" database. Once accepted, they may be used in any of Niantic's games, such as Ingress, Pikmin: Bloom, or the NBA game.

So it can be used in other games. It may also show up in PoGO, Pidove is just making sure you know it may not appear once accepted.

[wanton grove]

within each level 14 S2 map grid cell, a new gym is created when the total number of stops + gyms reaches 2, 6, 20
which one turns to a gym is mostly based on the photos and each photo has. but it's complicated by older votes on photos in ingress sometimes counting whereas normally only votes in pogo counting

also it's worth noting that officially Niantic considers manipulation of which stop becomes a gym to be abuse

https://pokemongohub.net/post/article/comprehensive-guide-s2-cells-pokemon-go/