#pvp-chat
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I went up against a ray
2.8k
Didn't you say you were 1900s? 
I ranked up
You went up 1k in 1 day? 
lol
Man that would be so awesome to do, if it was at all possible 🥀
I mean, battle week, 20 5-0s, maybe? 
20 5-0s would net you about 1.6k elo
Why do people prefer zekrom over kyurem in master
They don't
Pvpoke (idk if it’s at all accurate) puts zekrom XL at #2 swap and white kyruem at #6
Yeah pvpoke isn't people 
So you’d say kyruems better, Despite zacian and zamas typing?
White kyurem kinda ded tho
What’s good swap rn?
where are u reading that?
I ss palkio
DialgO also insanely good ss

in MLM?
Master league
the current one is Master League Mega
Yea I just wanna know for normal master league
and idk much about it, but id still prolly try running a mega. they are broken and banned normally for a reason
Yea I’m using mega ray
for normal ML its probably fine
Just want to know for normal master league
i havent played in ages
I see
but 3 of the top 5 mons ur prolly not gonna go wrong with abb
I have a Hundo groudon with fb fp, I’m assuming I just drop it?
I have palkia, dialga (both special attacks) groudon, and zacian
is that fire blast & fire punch?
Idk what I should be using honestly if pvpoke is butt
Yes yes
fire blast needs to go
at least run eq if u dont have an etm for precipice
or solar beam for memes
fire blast is the worst move u can have on him
I have both

Of the elite charged attacks
thats fire punch & precipice blades
Guys I have a question
Yea I have both
Do I even stand a chance in ML?
Do I drop groudon? For either palkia or dialga?
Elo ?
is the resh level 40?
up to rank 20 and 2k elo u will be fine
whats ur current in ML?
I don’t really know levels all I know is 50 is max
once it starts costing XLs its at level 40
I’m like 0-50 right now man
Oh you'll be fine then
Lead groudon, swap dialga, close zacian (all have 2 charged and BIS attacks)
idk what bis is but yea id swap out groudon
For palk?
yea
Alright
otherwise u r weak to any form of water team
Yeah
I’d normally swap dialga into any waters
But if they have a water type and ho oh I get dunked on
Thanks dawg 🫡🫡
Of my highest pokemon what would be a good trio?
Just do any 3
yea, i can't rlly make much out of them
Can you mega the garchomp or groudon?
Nah I get absolutely destroyed
No
are they double moved?
No
If I’m into fairy swapping to zacian isn’t good?
movesets on em
thats swapping ur best answer into their lead. leaves u open to being hard countered
Garch has mud shot and earth power
Ahhhh I see
Thanks
dialgO has good play into many fairies
I know mewtwo and groudon are optimal not sure about garchomp
iron heads add up eventually and it is only neutral damage
I see
if they swap into a ground or hooh then deal what damage u can, try take a shield advantage and then ko with palk
im not too knowledgeable, but got a general gist over the game
Yea I’m pretty new to gbl
been playing cr merge of recent lol
I just played for fun
thats generally all I do now
But PvP got fyn
well, recently ive only done pvp for quests
What for like level 80 or wtv
Traded my armored mewtwo for a palkia with special rend today
…..
Lucky trinket 12/13/12……
well, the championship quests and yea, level up tasks
Basically floor level 👎👎👎👎
hope u had a second one
armour
was palk shiny?
No
dang
I just did it with my neighbor
He’s pretty chill so I js said screw it
I don’t think I’m going for top 100 or anything in gbl so at level 40 a 90 cp difference isn’t crazy to me
@acoustic merlin slowly growing the collection 👀

And also? How do you get rare candle xl
many years of stockpiling because I get nothing good
oh nah
Sad day
well, the broken method
<whispers> is a credit card and a ton of gmax battles
Real
very. tons of dust, exp & rxls
gmax only gives 1rxl per win
Damn
Do you pay the 200 coins for double or nah
1 guaranteed could be 2
tru
So I’ll just double when it’s 2
ig, it starts getting super expensive doing that tho
So you just don’t use the rare xls for a flex I’m assuming?
Yea you do bro
my best option is a 15/15/13 volcanion
Level 50 carbink
Dude if I did like a few more eternatus raids I woulda actually been able to use my xl candies
Maybe a level 45 eter? Rn I think it’s 39
That's fine imo
But tbf is not very good
but it'll be in gmax battles
exactly
Well thanks again, I gotta go try hard this game again for rare candy 👎 on the palk
I've been playing water panda in ML for a while and love it
yea, i was walking it for xls
hey abez!
You suck
palk, Mgyara, kyo?
Heeey max, the triple water teams making me crazy lmao
Even worse
Palkia, primal kyogre, primarina
I was at 2900 elo
But goddaammmm
Alright is there a way I can just block pvp
Dont tap on the channel i guess
I need a way to never be able to play pvp again unless I memorize 40 different passwords to open pvp
Dude ☠️😭
ayo, ur up quite high again
Its like 99% of the entire pokemon franchise lol
Yeah but, i didnt touch pvp for a month
And master league is becoming so hard in these elo ranges man
😭
I am probably not hitting legend this season unfortunately lol
I gained 8 elo last 3-2
😂
bro these typa times r the worst man
event sucked sorta, no fun spawns, and no good raids
also @flat ravine how close r u to ur shundo necroz?
I got this just a bit ago
Would it be any good in great league?
40 raids
rank 14 ivs, not a high ranking mon itself, but would be fun
that the rising voltage? yea
@teal granite
unconfirmed, possibly fake
but I would be keen for a break season or whtvr it was called
idk y they always put heatran and swords horses etc in raids
like bruh stop
i havent seen mewtwo in raids for a while
I doubt we get until its mega is released tbh
bruhh
i hope december is better
i want resh and zek back in raids
kyurem would also be nice
ngl, idk if ill raid kyurem
the only reason I would is for xls
for if shadow release
if they allow shadows to fuse this game is over tbh
there would never be better than shadow kyu white/black
yeah i think shadows gotta stay outta the fusions thing
but itd be really cool design tho
the only reason id raid kyurem is bc i want another hundo for the base form
truuuee
I says, with a shiny 14/15/15 in base form
stupid 14 attack
ikr. give me a 13 attack or a 15
but im not tryna use a etm and lvl 50/double move a 15 15 14 for the moment
yea thats crazy
fair xD
I mean, palk is just rng ontop of rng ontpp of rng
bro and literally a day later
hundo, move & shiny
i got a shiny rot lucky dialga 15 12 15
i lowk wouldve used it on that instead cuz tbh the 98 palk is good enough
i just wanted the shundo so bad
now i dont ever gotta raid palkia, but i do want a palkia hundo altered 😭

i did get a purifiable hundo 8 raid for kyogre
but like bruh hooh and lugia do me so dirty
honestly, I dont really like doing pvp anymore
im just here to raid and try get hundos
i dont even use em
such a waste
yep
man i really think i should build more kyurem fusions
one of each just isnt cutting it
I have 3 of each 
2 of each at 50 and one of each at 40
one of each 50 is a 15/15/14 or a 15/15/15
got me some pairs 
i have a hundo black kyurem lvl 50 double move all that fancy stuff
i got a white bg hundo kyurem lvl 50 also
i also got a 15 14 14 kyurem black and white but its at like 3275 cp
i got a 15 15 14 and a 15 14 15 iv
i wanna fuse em ofc but they both dont have glaciate
etm 
I wish I had a decent white bg kyurem
the best cc we've had so far
dont wanna use em on that
on 98s?
yes
idk 😂 cuz if i use em i gotta build em
and im tryna save dust
but i just spent 100k dust on more necroz...
dude. I gbc dialgO and still havent powered it up
Fused and powered up the 15 14 15s a lil and my most recent 15 14 15 I kept in base form but I powered it up to wb cp
dude
what is wrong w u 😂
u dont fav ur good pkmn or best buddy em 😂
max maxing dialgaO
and then into the purgatory they go
broo u should max the shundo tho
i mean not even max but bb
and ive done 7 of them
got no cool pokemon 😂
spiri was the last thing I bb
bruh
1.5yrs ago
u should bb man
I have a few i got mostly through
is that a hundo mewtwo?
per chance
palkiO?
i feel like bbing like a good hundo legendary just makes it officially complete
How are these ivs ?
Idk how to count the Iv stuff
I know it’s 0-15 but idk how it count if
it takes abit of practise and memorizing
ik 7 & 12 were most annoying for me
I’ll just keep this image
Apparently it’s rank 18#
As far as I was told it was still pretty good
rank 18 is pretty good, u can invest
but for more expensive GL/UL pkmn id try to go for top 5
The ivs are pretty bad but do you think I could still use it?
ill trade you i have more armored mewtwo
trades have to be within 100m. so not possible unless u live in nz
as long as it powers close to 1500 absolutely
even if there was remote trading, what a scam 😭
Well
buddy armored mewtwo is rare fs but it aint shundo level crazy 😂
plus its gbc'd w bc
and ivs do reroll so
"I got armored mewtwo so I can trade for anything 🙏"
this guy doesnt know ball
no bro, traded my armored mewtwo for a sr one non shiny bc idrc
uhhhhh
12/13/12
bye bye lucky trinket
u traded ur armored mewtwo for a non shiny palkiaO?
yea w my neighbor
and it turned out to be a 12 13 12... on ur liucky trinket
he wanted one and i could care less ngl
ohgohho
wait
HIS LUCKY TRINKET
i used mine on a shiny rayquaza and it was 12/12/12/ 🔥
damn u got fleeced regardless lmao
ofc
ivs r random so thats unfortunate but damn armored mewtwo for a nonshiny palkiaO
u must love ur neighbor huh
thats fair, its up to u tbh
u could get a lot for it
armored mewtwos r pretty rare
but a lot of ppl have em somehow
you have any?
i just did the raids when they were out when iwas like 14 or smth idek
whats a lot though, whats the value looking like
no i didnt play that much then
well i mean def any shiny legendary u want
whats top dollah
same i was just coincidently in that phase
only thing i can think oif is shiny kyurem
btw armored mewtwo for the shiny dialgaO w bg is not a bad trade
but th gbc was a no go
yeah thats what i was saying cuz that specific one has a gbc so its worth more to an extent
most def
if we can remote trade
ill 100% trade u a shiny kyurem for armored m2
yeah id say so but it rlly depends
mmmm
gmax shinmy charizard is bueno?
ahhh so armorred mewtwo has more value
yes im saying it is rare and has value
ig i really dont know
usually pkmn no longer available has value
only time will tell
Never
wouldnt be surprised if it didnt
but would be happy if it did
and shiny release too
ig i jusyt gotta wait in 10 years
I don’t see it coming back unless the movie it was in gets a sequel
Which is sad because it is pretty cool
Armored Mewtwo and the Clones won’t be back unless they do an anniversary release of the movie.
Big bummer, the clones are really rare.
是的
I have a few that i can trade. Add me and hopefully the remote trading will be rolled out soon
I do want one but I don’t got a whole lot to trade
Armored mewtwo is meh
What would you like to trade for?
I am after shiny O.Palkia or O.Dialga with the special moves
🥵
Solid in UL
Absolutely
Yup!!!
Don’t forget next year is the games 10th anniversary year
But I feel like it’s just gonna be normal mewtwo and mega mewtwo raids
I guess they releasing Mega Mewtwo
There’s several events
Sounds like GoFest
Anniversary event could be clones and armor mewtwo
Anniversary prob more gmax
Clones never coming back
Prob
Smh everything comes back
I feel like armored mewtwo isn’t crazy. Like it isn’t mega ray or primal where its op and NEEDS to come back
Primals have been back too many times
It’s been 2 years
It was just an event and now it’s gonna stay limited
We had primals this year
What?
And two years should be the normal break
They do too much repeating too soon
It’s boring
I remember when genesect wasn’t in raids for three years
It’s just how the game is
Just wait till it comes back
U can get better ivs
Yea wait……
Idk I have armored mewtwo to spare
Prob gonna be shiny g max charizard or shiny kyruem as my next 2 trades
I got a gmax shiny gengar wit the bg
thats worth 🔥
ill trade u a shiny SR palkiaO for one of those armored mewtwos
No, last year
Those are prime stuff you can get like 3 shiny legendaries minimum for it
Actually?
And people just trade me 2 extra shinies in seperate trades? Am I getting scammed 😭
yea u can rlly push ur luck w these typa stuff
I did not know ball
so i hope u understand when i was baffled that u gave urs away for a nonshiny palkiaO
But now ik the sooner the better
NONSHINY
Well you want to do it with low costs so at least 1 month of opening gifts before.
Yea I did not know ball Lmao
Ye ye
lol all good bro atleast it was to ur neighbor
Yyyyup
u can beat his azz for scamming u anytime u want
damn bruh i was playing
You should not beat them up it is not polite.
I think he helped me duo for the Hundo groudon I now have
Smth like that
do u have anymore ?
4
damn gimme one
Bay
how far is thagt
oh its like a 8 hr drive
ive been there many times, its like my family road trip spot
More like 6 if you leave at 3 am
yeah fr
Dawg I remembered
u gonna be in kalos tour ?
Nope
i might, i think its in LA again
I don’t think there’s ever gonna be a day I’d drive that much of a distance for pogo
No shame to it
thats fair
I just hate road trips
man i love road trips lol
If I’m in a car longer than 3 hours I crash out
the farthest ive travelled for pogo was to san fran, not necessarily FOR pogo but just happens to be a good spot to play cd
Besides 3 months ago when I drove to Cali to show my pops my new truck, I flew to Cali for like 8 years from Az
I mean San Fran is crazy for pogo
Yea dude I’ve seen videos
i would sit on the bench and play pogo while looking at alcatraz
We take our boats out to the San Fran bay, I shoulda been on pogo
But I’m grateful the one time I decided to be in a pogo phase was when armored mewtwo was out
Actually blessed
damn it was pretty hype
no no
solga and lunala was just ultra unlock event
wild area 2024 was origin and primal raids
Oh I’m dumb
way better than wild area 2025 raid wise
Hundo groudon
i got 3
oh i cant help u w that
Yeeea
how many legendary hundos u got?
groudon?
damn
So I had a few shiny dialgas, palkias, zac, zama.
And I didn’t think of trading other people
And I transferred it
i transfer cd shinies, thats it lol
how many did u transfer?
I actually went crazy
goddamn bro
On August 23-24
this gofest?
Yea I WAS LUCKY
Nono it was the eternatus event
But yea I was not accounting for trade value and that wasn’t even in my mind
Oh I didn’t even know
y would u even transfer shiny legendaries tho 😭
I only got on bc my friend told me zacian was goated and after that i got hooked
I was like I don’t need it so it’s going
brooooooooooo 😭
man i hoard shiny legendaries for like the collection and trade bait
Lesson learned bro
Yea
esp zama and zacis
Yea mainly why I transferred it
i dont think we r seeing the dogs anytime soon
I was at 900, got 90 my last raid got mad and went home
But I got Zac so idrc
My mental was cooked bc I tink all my zama raids I didn’t pull any 110 energies and 100 energy raids were also uncommon for me, I actually got mad and called it a day
BRO u did 900 raids for the dogs?
Deal! Add me 723867239766
r u in cali?
Bro I’m not doing 900 raids or anything 👎👎👎👎👎
oh yeah 100 energy per raid
was abt to say thats crazy
i did 127 raids for a hundo zama
I traded mine an armored mewtwo for a non shiny galarian moltres lol
i have a shundo bg zaci
Yeaaaaaaaa but zacians better 👎👎👎👎
AUS
damn u gonna be in LA for kalos tour?
lol i used gbc
damn bro not worth it
i added u btw @mystic rapids
damn bro u rlly missed out
damn i always think the bcs r worth it
$15-20 for a potential shundo thats a steal
Like missing hp, and I’m not walking that many miles bro
Isn’t the 15 hp 20 candies 👎👎👎
bro that is nothing
Oh wait
just walk like a magikarp
Here
Wait I thought I had to walk with the trainer as my buddy
Right? Like if I put it on my Zac I’d have to walk my Zac?
bro
Really need one for GL, because i powered up my other g.moltres for UL.
ah fair, its ur choice at the end of the day
i have a 1 14 15 g molt for UL
Hopefully remote trading will be out soon
its so good
yes
i sent u a friend req btw. hope i can see u irl one day
we can build our friendship in the meantime if u want
Tuff!
Yup got it! Come here down under😬
gotchu 😂
Wait can I seeeee
Sure
Wowww
In pvp I’ve countered so may zacian
With my groudon
Almost maxed out groudon
I don’t doubt that
as steel is weak to ground 😂
What team are running with groudon?
Yea
I beat fusion kyurem multiple times
And zacian
And primals too
Also mewtwo
Everyone just keeps using dragon types while my mega rayquaza just melts through everything 😂
Got fire punch on my groudon for shield bait
I haven’t lost to ray yet
What’s ur team
Have u encountered any mega ray?
Yes I just win
but they had 1 more to go sadly
I thought Groudon was best used as a lead instead of a closer
You would have won if your groudon is maxed out
Like I got all the xl for that
I already used alot of xl
On my ray
Palkia is a getting a nerf right?
yes
spacial energy increase
probably for the best
shadow ball decrease has me intrigued
I wss about to build my palkia, i guess it can wait
wait to see energy cost increase
if it goes up by 5 I dont think its a major
anything else could defo hurt
Dedene and Belibot getting a nerf too
Lunala would be top meta?
Oh, interlude season again?
interlude seasonn
thats the name
man, ive been tryna remember thay for the last 6hrs or smth
Can someone teach me about pvp
Like what’s good to use and how can I improve my Pokemon n that
What abilities
show ur pokemon
Is this official?
Palkia nerfed
Nice
That thing was disgusting
Kyogre, yveltal and xerneas buffed
Also nice
Giratina buffed
Good
metagross buffed...
Lets hope he is really good now
Then i can max my hundo finally😂
So now dmax suicune could maybe be used as a water tank?
Wasnt water gun a 0.5sec fast move?
And also mega lucario now maybe viable as a steel attacker?
No suicune wont be meta unfortunately
🙁
Ridiculous and uncalled for
Dragon breath Ttar goes BURR
Jellicent is gonna be so broken
😳
Crazy buff for regidrago too
I guess the Trev problem will return in force next season 😒
Y tho? Shadow ball buff was a red herring
I don't see foul play doing it, no seedbomb change, no new moves for trev
Seed bomb got buffed this season
According to this no seedbomb buff
Oh this szn not last
But why now? Does trev get hex?
Shadow claw
And just because ppl loved it before and it got buffed so I think they’ll be using it again
But maybe not
The ice buff is threatening
Yeah I don't see really anything to change trev
Eh I mean, obama froslass piloswine
And obama running icy wind a lot
Walrus might make a comeback
But eq still bad
Love how they try to buff metagross but ignore the only coverage move 
Dragon Breath on Tyranitar…can’t wait to see what the Shadow can do with that lol.
I am stuck with smack down
Nah, that’s what ETM’s are for haha.
I know, but i already used one for smack down lol
Ah, well they hand them out now once a month it seems.
You prolly have 30 fast etms
lol
Yea a lil but Cetitan best ice choice
Triple buffed for the season of Grusha
The pvp poke matrix looks good for ttar
What about Ursaluna
I bet ! That’s my fave update I saw
Play rough
Fire
I am so happy that palkia is getting nerfed nan
Its such a non skill mon
And smackdown
Yep, Avalanche kyogre is wild tho
Ehhh I love Palkia O it’s a very fun play
Yveltal now beats palkia
Finally
Yveltal guaranteed defence buff is crazy good tho
Force palm
Would be nuts
Needs a ghost move
Sucker punch is a fine fast move
Give it shadow punch
@main delta
?
This is speculative
Take it with grain of salt until official announcement is made
it was the new rhyperior fr
Thoughts 💭
Lolol it was good before rhyperior I believe
Palkia O debuted at the top of ML
yeah its been top meta since release
but now they increased SR energy, so wouldn't it just feel like old spacial? before dragon breath rework?
🤨
Palkia spacial rend “nerf” got me a lil annoyed cuz I just used my sbc on it
because palkia before dragon breath buff, SR was like slower than it is now, so SR after this "nerf" is just back to old SR
and aqua tail will still be spammed
??????
Yep
So palkia is still extremely strong
It needed a nerf tho
SR increase doesnt seem bad
it did get to it so fast though. i had so many palkias no shield my SR because they think i'm baiting😂
For me its the other way around lmao
Falling for the bait 10 out of 10 times
☠️😂
i bet u burned both ur shields in the mirror match on the leads💀💀
Damn they sniped you
Better safe than sorry!!
Like ray all over again, finally done got the hundo then they nerfed breaking swipe bc of steelix
but I mean tbf, I don’t rlly PvP anymore so it’s all good.
What can i say lol
Palkia is way too spammy man
Falling for a bait now is way less worse
shadow claw nerfed? so necrozma is useless now??
time for psychocut
the way my opponents do it is they throw first one is always SR, i shield, next one is AT i let it go, last one is SR again
thats if they're up energy and i switch in to my palkia
Nope they didnt touch that lol
Thats tuff…
No lol it didn’t but it needs to be
Just don't get too hung up on that list, it hasn't been confirmed yet
That doesn't sound fun, can I instead interest you in baseless conjecture and jumping to conclusions?

@gentle shadow @teal granite it possibly 80% true. Apparently his (G4s) account got hacked and some infographics stolen. allegedly
but still worth sharing. love to see palkiO being nerfed ngl
Still no mud slap nerf and if there isn't one then I'll be reducing my play
I am absolutely sick of kwak
Did you guys buy the Masterwork Research Pony Tales?
its ok.... if those changes are legit then shadowball buff brings back Awak
I really hope they aren't
Depending on the change Clef could be spamming meteor mash every 10 turns
早上好.
that sounds.. fun
Extremely
💯 palkia is still strong in ml
unless they nerf DB
ya i know
they cant nerf db they just buffed it
and palkia was always strong since release
Or they buff counters for it
@teal granite @languid portal @gentle shadow 👀
Show the team
Zacian, Shadow Latios and palkia. Idk if you saw my latios but
basically my mega ml team but downgrade to shadow latios
whoaaoaoaoa
wsg
thats insane bro congrats
yes bro, gonna be hard tho
wish i had that typa shadow legendary luck
broooo
thats crazy
grats!
no.

idc if u get a shadow hundo lati. u r not purifying a shiny 15/14/15 for 1 extra iv
if it was the attack iv maybe, I could MAYBE, see the point
but any other iv absolutely not
youre right. it has a dyna anyway
would rather have a shiny dyna latios so I could mega
thx u
If I see another Fire blast spacial rend palkia I am going to delete the app
What’s makes white or black kyurem better than the other or is there really not that much of a difference
Purify?
I probably would
I dont have a hundo yet so im really considering it
Mega Latios is awesome in Mega ML right?
There is no way I would power it up like that anyway so what’s the use of saving it
And you could always get a better one, it’s not like you only get one chance
😂
Back to back hundo🙏🏻
is this the 3rd one 
Libre being lower again is nice
I could get another
Lucario knowing meteor mash is interesting
Could make them a steel meta?
Here’s the image btw
Better quality
Here's the image with worse quality just in case
I mean ttar and mega ttar is played in ML, so db is not terribad... groudon runs dtail now and db is better
incinerate ghourgeist 👀👀
it is 
Its the same + lunatone wb ice
also, we getting nacli next season 
Hopefully a comday ngl. love that little guy
Most people forgot about the lunala buff man
That thing is gonna be a beast now ☠️
Will Parabolic Charge's energy increase affect Bellibolt and Dedenne in any negative way?
I just started using them
dark types urshifu stonks
For sure
Lol what..
I just saw kyogre lawrn avalance
Learn
In next season
Rip dragons
Dragonite salamance
Bye blizzard
Kyogre spamm ftw
I am really not looking forward to Clef spamming meteor mash
how much does keldeo ivs matter
mine is 14/15/10 which makes it like rank 58/216 or smth is that not workable in ML
Master league is probably the most important league to make sure you have proper IVs for, without 15 attack you are guaranteed to lose every single mirror match where the opponent does have 15 attack
I got 3 different PvP teams
I want y’all’s opinion
The first 2 have at least one C in the pvppoke stats
But team 3 has Bs and As
I also got this
Do you mean to build them for catch cup?
Na just great league
Ahh I wouldn't really recommend building anything right now, new move update was just announced today and we don't know how the meta is going to shift, you should wait till next week before dumping any resources
Oh true
who should I lead
went 5/5 with scrafty lead
I just caught this
It’s rank 14 but it has good PvP IV’s
Will it still be good?
wait hold on, the pikachu libre thing is for december?
Entire next season
damn so december jan and feb
3 libres but no shiny available
damn this might get me back into pvp just to get to rank 20
I’m pretty sure it’s the entire season but I could be wrong
it is it says dec to mar
What do you mean about is it still good ? You don’t need rank 1 for PvP
Only in masters league
But the mon insnt that good right now
That's the thing with mythicals though, not everyone has 15 atk
