game-balance

[clever jacinth]

Yes

[bleak grail]

It deals 40 damage with a hand cannon

[rocky frigate]

Hopefully we get into Sela’s Game

[bleak grail]

It’s trash

[clever jacinth]

How @rocky frigate

[bleak grail]

Atleast make it shoot quicker

[rocky frigate]

We get into Sela’s Game ( May take awhile) Then We March

[clever jacinth]

What

I'm not prepared

[rocky frigate]

Just you and me

[dim gull]

So you like the rework or not @cobalt zephyr

[rocky frigate]

We might get bodied but it’s worth it

[clever jacinth]

You sure

I rage pretty easily

[dim gull]

Updated

Ok

Why

--> balancing aim: make useless weapons useful

[humble glacier]

Snowball stack would be 12 since they come in 6's

@dim gull

[dim gull]

Hmm

18

[humble glacier]

Ye

It should be in stacks of 12 coz then its easier to get 2 stacks and double snowball which is fast as

[dim gull]

4 trees 3 stacks

Lol

Ya like the buffing or pluse nades @humble glacier

[humble glacier]

AR idea no

Impulse idea no

Grenade idea no

both shotgun ones yes

hunting rifle yes

pistols should just bevauled they're so bad

[dim gull]

Starter weapon

Pistols

[humble glacier]

😬

Nooo

[dim gull]

Imo

I mean when i drop

I pick a pistol then an ar

Also Slienced sr 15 too op make counter

[humble glacier]

I dont ever pick up pistols unless its for dailies or whatever

[dim gull]

--> mythic silenced

[humble glacier]

No

[dim gull]

@humble glacier so like when you don have weapon you need a pistol

[humble glacier]

I dont even pick up pistols then xD

[dim gull]

Ok scrapped silenced ideas

Balancing
Buff
Tactical shotty has unarmed speed, and the reload speed of the shotting rate
Silenced mythic scar
Impluse andd repluses have uncommon - common which uncommon has +5% pluse
Hunting rifle 105% damage
Assault shotty +3 tile range
Pistols -.4 sec reload
Not auto snipers close range 25% damage and double the knockback
Deagle Rework please dislike
Base damage / body damage 40-50
Rarity Legendary to Mythic
If clicked on the same spot with the radius 2 tiles do 75-80 damage
3 sec between shots affect changing weapons
5 Ammo Max
Nerf
P90 damage 10-11 ( be4 12)total 320
Max snowball stack -12

@humble glacier also you like rework of deagle

[humble glacier]

Yea

I typed what I thought before and it said too many emojis lol

[dim gull]

Ok

Canya type reaction w/o emojis

I like taking suggestions

@humble glacier

[humble glacier]

Hi

[dim gull]

Please ty

[humble glacier]

?

What

[dim gull]

Type reaction for deagle rework?

[humble glacier]

Cant be bothered it was so long

[dim gull]

Ok

So mainly agree or disagree @humble glacier

[humble glacier]

Agree

Btw stop pinging me I will answer you know

[dim gull]

Ok @Arcana ....

Ce✨#0001

[humble glacier]

xD

[bold raven]

The bolt is BALANCED now

[supple frigate]

people still mad about the bolt?

i was until I actually played a few games nd realised its not much different XD

[dim gull]

Balanced

ikr

[cobalt zephyr]

Bolt and awp are so balanced

[naive galleon]

its a good balance

i mean

it makes snese

its a heckin snoper

why use it close range

at least the damage curves are rigid enough to still somewhat effectively use bolts and awps

point blank shot
14 dmg
literally takes three steps back
66 dmg

🧐

[faint sundial]

I still find it irritating that a close range hunting rifle shot does 5 damage

it really sucks early game

and late game it can be out performed by all other snipers, VSS for firing speed, Bolt for damage output, and Auto Sniper for damage, mag size, AND reload speed

[supple frigate]

Seriously, snipers are balanced

Except for that VSS

VSS needs to be either removed or reset back to how it was, because first it was buffed to be extremely good, now it's pretty weak tbh

[austere bane]

Vss is balanced

[faint sundial]

@austere bane I'd like to live in your world

[austere bane]

?

[modest moat]

this sniper damage curve thing is dumb asf, why close the skill gap?

[mental crag]

.

[spark sparrow]

It’s hard to destroy trees and snow globes now with the sniper nerf

[carmine echo]

@carmine echo

[uneven herald]

just stand a little father back dude

@spark sparrow

[uneven herald]

idk what that means but I somehow take offense

:v

everyone does 😄

[modest moat]

remove bolt damage curve

and hunting

ima say this every day until it happens

[cobalt zephyr]

Who wants to play a duos

[cobalt zephyr]

@cobalt zephyr maybe later

[violet thicket]

Nerf the vector like srsly

to much range

Same with the p90

[old eagle]

I agree with the vector but the p90 is balance with its long reload

[dim gull]

My ideas here too long cannot post here
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-F1DWsJc52TjQ02gi6zhLhjFawYUs-OL4zVNJLWM1aQ/edit?usp=sharing

[old eagle]

Agree with everything but the hunting rifle since it’s meant to be a weaker sniper like in fortnite

[dim gull]

no

in here

It is in a good state rn which does more dmaage than a Bolt

@old eagle

did u read all of them 🤔

[mental crag]

.

[thorny sluice]

get rid of minigun already

[fiery helm]

no

[dim gull]

no

it's balanced

[fiery helm]

the minigun is fine

[dim gull]

just u dont know how 2 counter it

ikr @fiery helm

[fiery helm]

just run from it

[dim gull]

no

i just pluse and 1 hit him w/ a pump

[sand fable]

i just wait for reload and smg them

[fiery helm]

I run from it

[dim gull]

y u run lmao

just kill him alrdy

[fiery helm]

the ar has more range so I run and start shooting when Im far from it to reach me

[old eagle]

Half of the weapons complained about I just solve by running circles around them this is most testable in weapons race where duals p90s and a few others can be avoided just by running around a player who does think to move the aim a little forward

[rough zephyr]

Make the guns like rubber gun not a legendary

It tricks people who use it first time

[dim gull]

it's powerful in squads af

[cobalt zephyr]

plz speak spanish

im youtuber :v

[modest moat]

and assault shotty imo should get slightly slower firerate but extremely tight spread and a little extra damage

and rename silenced ar-15 to “super-ar” or sumn, it’s not silent and literally nobody uses it because it’s kinda quiet

or make it actually almost completely silent, remove bullet trails, and give it 15 capacity. this would make it really good for jumping people or using hit and run tactics but would give you a disadvantage in open fights when the enemy can see you clearly. it would no longer be slightly overpowered, and could be found in lower rarities

tbh i like the current silenced, but rename it and keep it at its gold-chest-only rarity, and then make a new gun and give it actual silence/stealth

[rough zephyr]

Crossbow is filling part of the stealth role

[fiery helm]

right

[mental crag]

.

[modest moat]

no lmao the crossbow has a very distinct, noticeable sound and the projectiles are bright red. it’s also a sniper rifle that has very slow projectiles.

[remote lotus]

more outfits or skins free

pls!!!

[last oak]

ok. I understand the sniping curve for quick scoping people around a corner but 14 damage is just INSANE. I wish the would remove the sniper damage curve but they probable won’t so please just GREATLY reduce it. The main use of snipers in this game is ruined and now I don’t even carry one anymore.

[dim gull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/424073729363017739/526680945978245120/unknown.png

@last oak

[nimble mulch]

I didn't see much outplay for when someone stood behind a door with a sniper and opened and closed it with a shot in between. I try to leave through the other door, I get shot for 70. I try to run at the enemy, I get shot for 70 I stand still and do nothing, and the sniper taunts me with "Yawn"

It was 1 /5th the damage (14 From 70) for a purple bolt just now.

Quite an Extreme nerf. I have to see the effective range on it.

7x14 = 98.

[halcyon silo]

Oof just eat the bullets 🤷

[nimble mulch]

I CAN NOW!

I can eat 7 without shields in the same situation and live with 2 hp.

[naive galleon]

yas

but actually

he just needs to take 3 steps back

then he'll hit for 66

@last oak but isnt the whole point of sniper for long range engagments?

close range quickscopes made the snipers class pretty broken

it used to be able to replace shotguns for close range heavy damage

its imo well thought out

it also broadens the skill set needed to play expertly

now you really need to think of your weapon choice

i like the nerf

[nimble mulch]

Ok. I haven't tested it out. 66 sounds nice. Yeah, it was like a really precise shotgun.

[naive galleon]

ye lmao

but the sniper dmg curve is more like a damage square

so heckin rigid

[nimble mulch]

hehe xd

[naive galleon]

but the semi auto is the same

lmao

[nimble mulch]

"Semi"

[naive galleon]

still dishin 48 dmg at point blank

[nimble mulch]

Wow.

Not a 2 hit though

[naive galleon]

meh

it does more further away

51 i think

[nimble mulch]

I keep forgetting that

[naive galleon]

not when u main crossbow

lmao

[nimble mulch]

Ahah

[naive galleon]

the further u are the more a crossbow does

alwayd

[nimble mulch]

Yeah It did 100 I think one time. And I started to respect it.

[naive galleon]

hit at te edge of the screen? 137 dmg right there

its

sk

so

good

[rocky frigate]

Nerf Bots

[wet tapir]

Yes, the bots are way to op

[dry umbra]

Most likely bots

[rocky frigate]

Don’t want this to be the future of zr.

[clever jacinth]

Disgusting bot

I want them gone

Or at least Nerf a lot

To the point of being bad

[craggy osprey]

P90 needs nerf

It’s like an AR now

I won with bolt and p90 only

[modest moat]

i won with p90 only

last guy was like a screen away from me on mobile

so broke

[vapid harness]

pls nerf p90

its will laser people mid-close range

[modest moat]

he’s right

i’m not picking up assault rifles at the moment if i have a p90 or a vector

and i’m winning more fights and losing less health

[rigid orchid]

maybe you're just good 👀

[modest moat]

i mean yeah, if you can’t hit your shots it don’t matter

but i shouldn’t be able to use the same gun to do assault rifle dps at long range and insane smg dps in close range

that’s broken. it’s fun as heck but broken

[mental crag]

lol

[dim gull]

i guess

[cobalt zephyr]

hi

[dim gull]

hi

[dim gull]

P90

[crystal plaza]

Nerf Vector or at least lower the range

[humble glacier]

^^^

[dim gull]

p90 needs

niot vecotr cuz airdrop

[mental crag]

yea vector needs lower range

[peak pendant]

@rocky frigate that wasn’t a bot

[nimble mulch]

New Bolt AR Does 14 Damage in Close Quarter Combat? Just Use Melee 🔩 😭

[versed pine]

Bolt ?

[dim gull]

@nimble mulch in a close range it does

harharhar

[wild sleet]

put damage back in close range snipes

[bleak grail]

Just read my name it got nerf now meh sad 😭😭

[little raven]

hey

[supple frigate]

people still complain about the bolt? ;(

[carmine echo]

[rocky frigate]

Nerf P90

[dim gull]

+100

Fix p90 > fix bolt

[supple frigate]

nerf glock pls

[violet notch]

no

bruh

[humble glacier]

lol

[modest moat]

When’s the p90 nerf coming

When’s the bolt action going back to normal

i need dates

[tawny mortar]

[modest moat]

that emote is h*cking great

:nkoShrug:

Why

[sinful goblet]

Nerf p90

[mental crag]

no

nerf vector

[fallow current]

herro

[humble glacier]

Hi

[fallow current]

wanna play

[bleak grail]

#looking-for-group-old

[peak pendant]

Bolt got nerfed????

Que?!

[humble glacier]

Bolt got wrecked :/

[peak pendant]

How

😭

[humble glacier]

It doesnt do much dmg up close now

[peak pendant]

Dude that’s actually stupid

[humble glacier]

Like AWP up close = 15 dmg

[peak pendant]

Bolts weren’t op or anything

Now u can just get gunned down

[humble glacier]

Ye

[quiet basalt]

Im fine with the SMG buffs, they were lagging behind, but it just widened the gap between them and shotguns.
Im fine with the VSS nerfs, now it can't just laser u down completely and is good for upfront dmg
I wish Semi Auto had some more dmg on it tho.

give more dmg to semi, buff pump a tad in dmg, revert the changes to bolt/awp/dragunov

[dim gull]

@quiet basalt i agreed with the nerfing of unauto snipers

I am all fine with smgs except p90
It is now comparable to Vector and vecotr should be mich better than a p90

Since it is an airdrop

[rocky frigate]

Nerf p90

[quiet basalt]

nerf p90 by 1-2 points, buff pump by 5-10, revert the changes to bolt/awp/dragunov, but keep the changes to all other smgs and to vss

and a small dmg buff to semi auto

ree

[dim gull]

@quiet basalt no revert snipers

they are ment for long range

not cool montages

[quiet basalt]

do you realize how fkn broken vss was before this?

keep the vss nerf

[dim gull]

no i meant 'revert the changes to bolt/AWp/dragunov'

[dim gull]

Nerf or buff

[rocky frigate]

nerf p90 by 1-2 points, buff pump by 5-10, revert the changes to bolt/awp/dragunov, but keep the changes to all other smgs and to vss

(Didn’t copy & paste from LeadBraw)

[dim gull]

@rocky frigate no change the current snipers

what are u guys thinkiing

[mental crag]

lol

i like the current snipers

few people know how to use them now and it helps me live

[humble glacier]

Yea they actually seem decent

[cedar topaz]

Actually I’m getting used to the new update and i really enjoy seeing ppl use the p90 dont change again pls

[bold raven]

Nerf mobile auto pick up

Add a small delay

so its fair

Nerf P90

by a few points of damage

[supple frigate]

The p90 and vector didn't need a buff

That's the only thing that I didn't like about the balance update

[frigid prism]

No

nerf p90 pls

[supple frigate]

That's... pretty much what I just said.

[smoky vigil]

nerf p90 definitely

[dim gull]

+10-

[rocky frigate]

@bold raven or ADD auto pick up on pc

[dim gull]

i just knew that sn is simply noobs lol

[cobalt zephyr]

woah woah does that mean the tommy was buffed again???

[willow shale]

hi

[cobalt zephyr]

sup

[willow shale]

how are you?

[cobalt zephyr]

meh

you?

[willow shale]

lol

good

[cobalt zephyr]

Haven't been here for a bit. A lot was added ooof

[willow shale]

😂

lol

[cobalt zephyr]

so smgs were buffed...

I don't know how comfortable I am with that.

[warped viper]

Please don't buff pump

it's such a bad weapon

no one enjoyed using it while it was a oneshot

only campers liked it

[cobalt zephyr]

You monster!

Take that back noob

I smite thou

[fiery helm]

worldstar

[dim solar]

@vital scroll I dont think you supposed to put that here

[humble glacier]

You arent

[rigid orchid]

i love pump

[humble glacier]

Same

[glad ledge]

Make the snipers normal damage please

[bold raven]

@glad ledge No, Snipers are BALANCED now

[rocky frigate]

Buff snipers

[tawny mortar]

nerf p90 and vector's shooting distance

[sand fable]

yes

especially bc i got teamed on by 2 vector spammers

[rocky frigate]

@sand fable atleast it wasn’t 4 spammers

[peak pendant]

Why is everybody saying nerf p90?

It’s not even that good

And smg is better

[rocky frigate]

no u

[sand fable]

oof

[dim gull]

Vector is supposed to demolise people

But p90 isnt so nerf

Snipers are meant for long range so it's ok

@peak pendant it does 12 samage now

[red tundra]

Ik I was killing the last guy sndy sniper did 12 damage and I lost

[cobalt zephyr]

balance the fu cking p90 !!!!!

@smoky vigil no the p90 dosent need a fu cking buff

ITS STUPID

[rocky frigate]

Make Bots more realistic, nerf their ability to use doors like gods, and nerf their intelligence in finding ppl so easily

[dim gull]

@rocky frigate

bots are just for filling up lobbies

also

[rocky frigate]

Ik

[dim gull]

what bots need now is

• Fix jittering
  -Fix door keeping open

[rocky frigate]

Ya

They are also godlike at dosing bullets

Dodging*

I’m fine with that tho

[dim gull]

lol

no they dont dodge

[rocky frigate]

Just the Doors that are messed up

[dim gull]

yes

they keep them open

[crimson mural]

Rework Snipers back to original and nerf the p90

[dim gull]

no

just nerf p9-0

[cobalt zephyr]

the p90 is fine

dont nerf it

[bold raven]

P90 and vector are OP

vector

Needs a Reduction in range by 1-2

tiles

And P90 Needs to get more Damage Drop off

[slow moon]

!rank

[bleak grail]

@bold raven vectors should be OP it’s an airdrop weapon

[halcyon silo]

But awp sucks

[mild ore]

Not when used as intended

For suprise shots off others' max sight

[smoky vigil]

@cobalt zephyr wut did you say? i said P90 needed a nerf! not a buff!

[bleak grail]

Yeah the p90 is fine because if they nerfed it no one would use it so if it’s nerf in a week u will say buff the p90 @smoky vigil

So it off and on

Buff nerf buff nerf

[frigid slate]

who want play duo

[bleak grail]

@frigid slate #looking-for-group-old

[severe coyote]

Me

[little raven]

hey

[south harbor]

can we play zombs

[mental crag]

no

[bold raven]

@bleak grail Yes, but The range is Obsurd for it
I like the Dmg Of the VECTOR but it needs to have less Range

[dim solar]

^^^

[plush jackal]

Nerf P90 , bring back OP snipor. Purfect gaem༼ つ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° ༽つ

[cobalt zephyr]

no

dont nerf spam weapons bcuz its wierd like the shotgun is weird very weird

[cobalt zephyr]

Plz bring back sniper damage

Only noobs hate snipers anyway

They are the only weapon u can actually hit trick shots with anyway

No more 12 damage close range

Bring sniper damage back

[supple frigate]

@cobalt zephyr

[dim gull]

lol

[little raven]

hey

[bleak grail]

Yeah I think the range of the all SMGs need nerfing @bold raven

[pseudo pumice]

You know what I think

The minigun is for every noob out there and you can't even defend against it until they reload and its 200 bullets

Remove that stupid gun

Guess what we hate that 12 sniper damage...its so stupid

[bleak grail]

Just read my name

[simple stone]

What's wrong with the bolt

[cobalt zephyr]

Buff bolt

Or make hunting rifle do more damage

[vapid drum]

OMG snipers need to be buffed

i stopped playing

cuz i cant...

i just cant

deal with the emotional dmage

xD

[mental crag]

hunting rifle does too little damage

also they already buffed snipers

[peak pendant]

Nerf p90

[mental crag]

i like p90 tho

[peak pendant]

We need shotgun meta not spray meta

P90 is unbalanced

[mental crag]

lol

[supple frigate]

@peak pendant p90 did get a nerf

[versed pine]

Nerf P90 again

o-o

[modest moat]

it’s fine now

[peak pendant]

Nerf p90 again

[wild sleet]

YES

keep vector tho

[orchid hedge]

Yeah the 12 damage close range bolt should be fixed

[tawny mortar]

its meant to be like that

because people used to use bolt as a shotgun

[dim solar]

Is good change

[vapid harness]

pls remove minigun it is so op

long-short range with 7 damage spray and you cant really defend against it until they reload but it has 200 bullets.Please nerf, remove or vault it.

[orchid hedge]

@tawny mortar I don’t think the bolts damage should be as high for close range as it would be long range, but 12 damage is a little too low

But I don’t think it’s a huge problem anyway

[peak pendant]

Its kinda a problem, i dont think melee should do more damage thasn a sniper close range

[worldly ridge]

Buff the snipers

I hit someone from close range

It did 12 damage

12!!!!

[supple frigate]

then dont use it like a shotgun @worldly ridge

it's a sniper because it's supposed to be LONG RANGE

[worldly ridge]

@supple frigate fair enough

[supple frigate]

;)

[worldly ridge]

👌 😂

[orchid hedge]

@peak pendant agreed

[limpid arrow]

Balance the game by adding a exploding pick launcher

[dim gull]

wtf

[rigid orchid]

RPG isn't too powerful right now, so I would suggest a damage buff to 100 or 110

To counter this make it so you can destroy the rocket while it's flying

Would add interesting new gameplay

[cobalt zephyr]

@supple frigate there’s no logic whatsoever in making it do less damage

[dim solar]

Rocket best gun I use always time is good already

[charred shale]

wanna play

[agile musk]

I agree with Araknid in buffing the RPG because in real life a rocket would do much more damage.

[peak pendant]

Buff bolt

[dim gull]

@agile musk check #suggestions :eyes

👀

[spare ruin]

Buff the MG36

It doesn't do enough damage

It is outclassed by the mythic M4

Maybe have bolt only appear in epic and above doing the same damage for its rarity

While have hunting rifle only appear in common, uncommon, and rare, doing the 58 for the common, and the same damage as an uncommon, and rare bolt respectively

[spare quarry]

@spare ruin it’s like that bc the chances for getting it is very low

[spare ruin]

For mythic M4?

[spare quarry]

^mg36

[spare ruin]

Oh that

No

It's like a 1/3 chance

[spare quarry]

You get only from airdrops

[spare ruin]

Ik

There are 3 per game

So it should be buffed

So it's actually good

Stuff from airdrops are supposed to be good

[spare quarry]

There are only 3 airdrops and there is only a 1/4 chance

[spare ruin]

Ok

What about the other guns

What are the chances for them

Do you know

As far as I know, there are only three airdrop guns

Unless they added a new one, I wouldn't know why MG36 would have a 1/4 chance of dropping from airdrops

[sullen coral]

This game is getting to similar to fortnite

[spare ruin]

Isn't it supposed to be

And just change that message so it doesn't have so many caps

So we can see the suggestion

[sullen coral]

@graceful niche shut up your just a bot

[fiery helm]

RoAsTeD

[spare ruin]

Hunting rifle really needs a buff though

And MG36

P90 should be nerfed again in my opinion

Overpowered at close range

Almost more effective than a shotgun

Uncommon hunting - 62 unaffected by range
Rare hunting - 66 unaffected by range 
Epic bolt-action - 70, and 12 damage up close
Legendary bolt-action - 74 and 12 damage up close```

They should do that to the snipers

Dragunov and AWP are okay

I wish we could hold 6 minis

[sullen coral]

Bring back old map, old SMG, melee through wall, sniper close up dmg, old graphics (both weapon and map) and old revolver!

[vapid drum]

@spare ruin :
OPSKILLZToday at 12:44 PM
Maybe have bolt only appear in epic and above doing the same damage

i agree

[spare ruin]

Yeah

I meant epic doing epic damage and legendary doing legendary damage

[vapid drum]

i hate how snipers do less damage close range

[spare ruin]

Yeah

Lol

[vapid drum]

i almost started crying when that update came out....

lol jk

but i was kinda triggered lol

[spare ruin]

If they bring back revolver then they should have it come in all rarities, having slow bullet speed and 6 bullets per round

[vapid drum]

i was just starting to get gud at snipers too xD

[spare ruin]

Reload 2 seconds

[sullen coral]

Bring back old map, old SMG, melee through wall, sniper close up dmg, old graphics (both weapon and map) and old revolver!

[spare ruin]

Mythic 50 damage

Legendary 48 damage

Epic 46 damage

Rare 44 damage

Uncommon 42 damage

Common 40 damage

Otherwise it would be very similar to a deagle

Pistols are underused

ARs are overused

They should nerf AK

[sullen coral]

N

[spare ruin]

Mythic doing 19 damage

[sullen coral]

O

[spare ruin]

And so on

[sullen coral]

So what

Ak is underrated

[spare ruin]

Is not

Everyone uses it

[sullen coral]

And op

[spare ruin]

Exactly

[sullen coral]

Nope

[spare ruin]

If it's too OP it should be nerfed

[sullen coral]

Boxy doesnt

[spare ruin]

?

[sullen coral]

Isn't that op

[spare ruin]

Boxy?

[sullen coral]

Mg36 and minigun needs longer reload time

@spare ruin boxelder

[vapid drum]

minigun is RIGGED

i got a solo dub using mingun ONLY

with meds

[sullen coral]

Minigun and mg36 needs longer reload time

[spare ruin]

I think that MG36 needs a buff

[rigid orchid]

@spare ruin Why

[spare ruin]

Because

It's not even that good

Even scoped M4 is better

Not to mention legendary and mythic AK

Silenced AR

Etc.

MG36 should have faster firing speed

I agree that minigun is really overpowered atm though

They should make minigun have less bullets per round

Probably 150

Or they could increase the reload time to 4 seconds

@rigid orchid

Oh shoot

Scoped M4 is OP

17 damage per hit

1 more than Mythic M4

[peak pendant]

Revolver is gonna be released

A new one

[bleak grail]

Lower the spawn rate of new scoped M4 I found 5 in one game and every game I’ve seen someone kill someone with it

[tawny mortar]

wut

ive seen it only once since it was released

and ive playe dlike 50 rounds

[simple stone]

@tawny mortar. Me too

[sand fable]

i just saw silenced ar 2 days ago for the first time 🤔

[supple frigate]

haven't opened one in a chest yet

[spare ruin]

I've only seen scoped M4 once

[orchid hedge]

I still haven’t seen one and Ived played like 40 games

[bold raven]

I found one and got it 3 times

[peak pendant]

They might, it got leaked on box stream soo @cobalt zephyr

[bold raven]

@peak pendant really? How good was the weapon

[peak pendant]

Not sure I’d don’t pick it up, but it shot like a deagle, so a high damage pistol

[bold raven]

Ah k

[peak pendant]

Probs another mythic unique

Yeah

Probs no more than 45

[drifting cloak]

I’ve played 3 rounds earlier and seen it 3 times

But never got it from a chest

[peak pendant]

On box streams?

@drifting cloak

[drifting cloak]

I play EU, I have 150+ ms on east

[peak pendant]

? Rlly

[drifting cloak]

Yup

300+ on west

[peak pendant]

Croatia is that far away?

Dang

[drifting cloak]

My internet is also not super great

I only get 50 down 10 up

[peak pendant]

Hmm

But how did u see revolver

[drifting cloak]

Probably an issue with weapons a race

[sand fable]

goran's ping is better than mine...i'm in the us

i get 1000 ms 😦 on west

[drifting cloak]

I’m ok with it tbh, I have plenty of good competition on EU servers around the clock 👌

Games Are never Boring

[bold raven]

@sand fable there’s really not much difference past 150-200. You just get longer freezes, In my experience once u freeze you 90% of the time die

Or maybe that’s just my internet

[sand fable]

i can actually play with 500 ms...750+ i can't even move my mouse

[bold raven]

Wow, at 300ms I can barley get off the plane b4 it kicks me

[drifting cloak]

Lurphy at 300+ the game is unplayable

[sand fable]

lol i can play though? i just estimate where they are

[bold raven]

Tbh for me, after 150 it’s almost gone, at that point I start freezing for 5 seconds per game

[drifting cloak]

Even when taking into account the lag into predicting the shots

[bold raven]

Mhmm

[drifting cloak]

What about dodging/stafing?

[bold raven]

He ping counter is accurate until 150

[sand fable]

i'm not aggressive so i don't really get into fights

[bold raven]

After that it’s ridiculous

[drifting cloak]

The moment you bump into an above average player, you are at a massive disadvantage

[bold raven]

I Greg now

[sand fable]

and sniping is the thing

[bold raven]

Greg

Gtg

[drifting cloak]

@cobalt zephyr I think snipers could be tweaked some more

But the concept seems fine

In a 3D scenario the sniper is handicapped short range by it’s scope zooming in far away removing close Vision

In a 2d game, there isn’t really a mechanic to simulate this

So another solution is necessary

[sand fable]

at this point i don't even play the game because it doesn't load

[drifting cloak]

There is specific short range class weapons intended for short range combat

Sniper is not one of those

[crisp mango]

Can't say I like the change personally because my meta was using a sniper like a shotgun, but I think it's probably the right choice in the end. Just means I gotta get used to having 3 weapons instead of 2.

[mental crag]

yea sry bout that lol

[merry crag]

Ban p90

[sonic patrol]

ban p90

[merry crag]

To much range

[jade quest]

Why nerf to snipers on short range??? Why???

[worthy vine]

@jade quest because little noobs came wth AWP and killed people in short range

[jade quest]

if you are not little noob you can dodge it

@worthy vine

[worthy vine]

ik

but i dont like it

[peak pendant]

“Little noobs” couldn’t use the sniper at short range

[faint otter]

exactly

they turn to slow

[spare ruin]

If they bring back revolver then they should have it come in all rarities, having slow bullet speed and 6 bullets per round with a reload 2 seconds

Legendary 48 damage
Epic 46 damage
Rare 44 damage
Uncommon 42 damage
Common 40 damage```

Maybe rename it

Nerf minigun!!!

[faint otter]

to much range

[spare ruin]

Yeah

Longer reload

[faint otter]

damge is good but range and bullet speed is overpowered

damage

[spare ruin]

Ye

[faint otter]

duos

[spare ruin]

Ok

One sec

[faint otter]

dm me

[spare ruin]

Only one round

[rigid orchid]

@spare ruin If your stats were implemented into the game, it would make Deagle useless, since it also fires extremely slowly and only has one more bullet capacity

[dim gull]

ikr

i luv deag;le

[spare ruin]

Well deagle's bullet speed is going to be a lot faster

While revolver's bullet speed will be slower than an AR's

[dim gull]

deagle is alrdy op

just players dont know how to properly use it in meta

which i do

[rigid orchid]

Odd Flex But Ok

[mental crag]

lol

[peak pendant]

I thought the silenced at was overpowered, no the scopes m4 is way too good and needs to be nerfed

By like 2 damage

[delicate bay]

Um I think this game have ligma

[crisp mango]

Scoped M4 is actually so op it's insane

Maybe do the damage drop-off thing with it? Since it has a scope it shouldnt be good up-close according to your bolt logic.

[spare ruin]

^

[slender parcel]

^^

maybe it should shoot slower than a regular M$

M4

[peak pendant]

@crisp mango I mean it’s a 2d game, you can’t rlly deal with the whole scope thing

[crisp mango]

If they did a scope balance for one gun with a scope, why not for all guns with scopes?

[peak pendant]

I definately see it being good for the scopes m4, but guns like the vss or the auto sniper don’t need that kind of adjustment and it would be overthinking it

But yeah I’m for ur idea with the scopes m4 @crisp mango

[noble rampart]

can we please fix the snipers

[supple frigate]

Nothing is broken about them though

They work as intended is what I mean

[rigid orchid]

I agree

[peak pendant]

No slams desk

[fiery helm]

can we shorten the mag size from the scoped M4 to 25

[naive galleon]

@spare ruin I see where you’re coming from

but

mg36 prolly dont need a dmg buff

it needs a range buff

90 mag is essentially a spray and pray gun, when extra range it really powers it up

just watch the hitmarker

unless ur playing mobile

then gg

it has 0 dmg dropoff

prolly the most reliable ar

so basically, range and maybe more accuracy

@fiery helm i say just lower the fire rate

or make it less accurate

thatll do

[dim gull]

MG36 is buffed by reload speed

recetly

[spare ruin]

Ye

[meager jetty]

i just used the new scoped m4 and it is extremely op, it needs to be nerfed by 1-2 dmg per shot

[mental crag]

how much does it do

i only shot off screen

[tawny mortar]

eh

[mental crag]

so idk damage

up close

[tawny mortar]

people are still getting used to it

[mental crag]

or on averagte

[meager jetty]

17 damage

i dont know if it has dropoff though

[paper vapor]

does scoped ar do more dmg over time?

cuz its hella op close range too

its really good for scrims

[dim gull]

17 all time

[paper vapor]

oh ok

its so much better than the ar from airdrops tho lol

only does 16 dmg and it fires hella slow

[spare ruin]

Yeah

17 damage

The scoped

[wet tapir]

Make bots less op!!

[dim gull]

it isnt

[modest moat]

if you can’t clap bots that’s a you problem

[dim gull]

Ikr

Unless 7 come at you at a time

[wet rain]

wow if my mouse vibrated every time i shot a scoped ar that would be so satisfying

[dim gull]

I rather say i like no sound gaming

It is like you are using a p90 but actually m4

[naive galleon]

scoped m4 doesnt seem to have dropoff

its a good idea tho

dropoff to 14 maybe

[little raven]

hey

[cerulean sundial]

nerf the shurikkens

pls

i get rekt by them

[dim gull]

lol wtf

so u get killed by a weapon you ask for nerf

[thorny sluice]

just remove the mingun

you rthought you nerfed it but you actually buffed it

The gun doesnt take skill, and the cone that it has is overpowered.

[faint otter]

the scoped is way to rare

I have still yet to have found it or seen anyone with it

[dim gull]

i found it in my first game lmao

[inland bramble]

Lucky you..
Haven't found that in like 10 games or so😔

[spare ruin]

They should buff hunting rifle

Nobody uses it

[dim gull]

no

i luv it

it destroy players

total 96 damage in a max

[spare ruin]

It's really underrated

Nobody uses it

They should at least buff it a little bit so more people use it

[spring pollen]

tru

[faint otter]

squad

anhone

anyone

[tawny mortar]

@dim gull what are you even talking about

[rigid orchid]

@tawny mortar Hunting Rufle

[tawny mortar]

Hunting rifle does not do 96 damage....

[spare quarry]

@wet tapir bruh that’s kinda sad

[supple frigate]

@tawny mortar he means 96 damage per magazine

as each shot does 32 dmg

[languid basalt]

@tawny mortar whats the point of bots...

[rigid orchid]

@languid basalt they help make games start faster

[spare quarry]

@languid basalt to fill up the server... would you rather wait 1 min max for a 7 min game or 10min for a 7 min game

[languid basalt]

or they could just make the server start with less players

[mental crag]

tru

[dim gull]

Hunting rifle needs high skilled accuracy @tawny mortar

[naive galleon]

Hunting Rifle needs Rare rarity

[dim gull]

+1

[red tundra]

Grenades need a bit longer radius

[dim gull]

no it's ok rn

[red tundra]

Idk I usually can't reach someone in a house

[dim gull]

then u should improve 😉

[red tundra]

Um

That's not what I mean

[dim gull]

hmm ic

use RPG

😛

[red tundra]

No I like grenade better

Quick and ez

[dim gull]

yeha

but it have range

thats a limitation

[red tundra]

Radius

[dim gull]

it's ok rn

or it will be too op

it's a common item remeber

[red tundra]

Just by a little bit

I only found the new weapon once

Lol

[peak pendant]

Grenades are op

[supple frigate]

grenades are balanced and require skill

[dim gull]

no actualy

[cobalt zephyr]

nerf miniguns!!!!plzzzzz

[spare ruin]

Yes

It needs a big nerf

[slender trench]

ya

maybe mini nerf

would be cool

but some guns arejust to overpower

[bleak grail]

Nerf VSS

[violet thicket]

ok this is one that i think many people agree, these shop skins.... why would i spend 20$ on a set.... like i have a set but it was a huge waste, and these new chest of gods, 100 gems (5$) for a skin? i think these skin artists work isnt being used, its wasted talent....

[modest moat]

prices got reduced

but still it’s an io game, shouldn’t cost that much especially with 2d skins

[wild sleet]

put more gems in free battle pass

[modest moat]

nerf minigun, scoped m4, and silenced AR

[faint sundial]

@modest moat Scope M4 & Suppressed AR-15 shouldn't be nerfed, they're mythic for a reason.

[modest moat]

well they’re much better than every other mythic weapon

and rarity/luck shouldn’t effect the game THAT much

[wild sleet]

agree

[modest moat]

what?

[wild sleet]

skill not luck

oof

[faint sundial]

Of course it shouldn't, but you can still use a grey pistol to win a game.

[wild sleet]

misstype

[modest moat]

lol

[wild sleet]

skill not luck

[faint sundial]

It depends on both the player's skill levels.

[wild sleet]

more skill less luck

[faint sundial]

If both the players are on near the same skill level, then of course rarity matters.

Otherwise it would be a draw or something similar.

[modest moat]

yeah okay

i don’t think you realize how small the skill gap is though.

[wild sleet]

i agree

[modest moat]

even if you’re really bad, if you have 200 health and a scoped you have a VERY high chance of winning

because you can just spray and still hit plenty of shots, because the game is 2d and shots are easy to hit

[faint sundial]

That's why the game has implemented trees and buildings for cover.

[wild sleet]

agree

still

[modest moat]

trees break in 5 shots buddy

[faint sundial]

That's enough for a Bolt shot.

[modest moat]

i thought you could win with a gray pistol

[faint sundial]

Of course, it's possible.

But it takes skill.

[modest moat]

i get what you’re saying about skill mattering more, but idiots shouldn’t get empowered so much by luck

[wild sleet]

agree

luck plays to big a role

[faint sundial]

Exactly

[wild sleet]

they need to buff airdrop- its not luck- usually a big fright

fight

yet scoped ar better than airdrop ar

[modest moat]

that too

[wild sleet]

and miningun shud get nerfed

[faint sundial]

MG36 has a slightly farther bullet range.

[wild sleet]

...

[faint sundial]

If you can track a player's movements off screen, it's good.

[modest moat]

slightly further bullet range doesn’t matter if the accuracy is twice as good, the damage is buffed and the firerate is buffed and the reload is buffed

[faint sundial]

But you can do the same thing with VSS, which is something I find annoying.

[wild sleet]

but it easier to have better view

[faint sundial]

Exactly

Some weapons are just better than others.

[wild sleet]

vss is fine- it has no dps

[modest moat]

but the scoped is so much better that it doesn’t feel right

[faint sundial]

A smoke grenade doesn't feel right when they're machine guns.

[modest moat]

both the scoped and the silenced. Not to mention, neither weapon does the job that they’re intended to do (long range effectiveness and then sneakiness). both are just super powered assault rifles which makes no sense

Yeah exactly smokes should get buffed or removed

[faint sundial]

They were meant to replace their mythic counterpart, not provide a specific advantage.

[modest moat]

okay then why aren’t they just called “superpowered M4”

[faint sundial]

Because it's not

[modest moat]

Yes it is

[faint sundial]

Almost any sniper can outrange it.

And good sniper players know not to chase a player.

[modest moat]

it’s just an m4 but better in every way. You don’t do better at long range then you do at close, which is what scoped weapons are supposed to be like

it really should just be a mythic m4 with better sight range but slightly slower firerate

like... AWP sight range to make it competitive, but nerf the firerate a little so it’s not broken

[wild sleet]

AWP is fine cuz it supply

and everyone has fair chance ( if ur smart) at getting it

[modest moat]

exactly

and awp has a high skill input, with a high power output, so it’s not overpowered

the scoped m4 has the same input, or maybe less, than an m4 and DEFINITELY less than a sniper’s, but much higher power output

so that makes it broken.

[faint sundial]

Isn't it only 1 damage per bullet more?

[wild sleet]

and the range...

[rigid orchid]

Remove the SCAR, people wouldn't really take it over an M4, AK, or AR-15. It's unnecessary

[faint sundial]

I know some people who hate the AK

[modest moat]

@faint sundial you have to consider the DPS. it’s much higher. the firerate is MUCH higher, and you’re more likely to hit your shots because it’s much more accurate

[faint sundial]

🤔

I didn't know it had a higher fire rate.

[modest moat]

so the damage per shot isn’t much higher, but the damage per second is way better

I’m not 100% on that but it definitely feels that way. and even if it doesn’t, you have to consider that it fires like a laser beam, and the mg36 has lots of spread

[faint sundial]

I'm pretty sure the Scoped AR doesn't have a higher fire rate.

It doesn't mention it in #announcements or #❤update-log❤

[modest moat]

yeah. they don’t put gun stats like that anywhere.

[faint sundial]

Are you sure?

[modest moat]

do YOU see it anywhere?

[faint sundial]

Nope

Out of sight, out of mind.

[modest moat]

what?

[faint sundial]

...

[modest moat]

how does that saying apply here

[faint sundial]

Because the update log says nothing about the firerate being changed.

It merely says it has a higher FOV of other AR's

[modest moat]

okay but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t consider the firerate

We’d have to go test it

[faint sundial]

The Mythic M4 had the same DPS as the Scoped AR.

[modest moat]

yeah both of them are op lol

Wait

i thought you said scoped

Nvm

Wait wtf

hang in i need to read that more carefully

[faint sundial]

I say the Mythic M4 had the same DPS, I use past tense because they removed it to make way for the Scoped AR.

[modest moat]

so now the scoped has more?

[faint sundial]

No...

It just has a higher FOV than other AR's.

[modest moat]

and it’s pinpoint accurate. unlike normal m4’s

[faint sundial]

I'm not so sure about that.

[modest moat]

have you used it a lot?

[faint sundial]

I haven't even used it yet.

mega oof

[modest moat]

why are you even arguing then

you have no idea whether it’s broken or not

[little raven]

hey

[faint sundial]

I'm merely going off of the official update log.

[modest moat]

okay why don’t you go use it or get killed by it 4 or 5 times

[faint sundial]

Because I'm smart enough not to run out in the open, and rather stay around buildings or trees with cover.

[modest moat]

Right because the entire map is covered with buildings, and trees are indestructible cover

you’ve never and the circle close an an open area?

[faint sundial]

Of course it has.

[modest moat]

and you’ve never gotten boned by a superpowered assault rifle because you didn’t get LUCKY enough to have one yourself

[faint sundial]

Of course I have.

The game is pretty much spam meta.

[modest moat]

and even though you tracked the enemy perfectly, hit almost all your shots, but still died because of bad luck, you’re completely fine with that?

[faint sundial]

Yeah

[modest moat]

...

[faint sundial]

Because it's just a game.

[modest moat]

i’m not saying i’m gonna kill myself because of it. i’m saying it’s kinda ridiculous

[faint sundial]

Some weapons are just better than others.

It doesn't make sense to have pistols in a game with machine guns.

But hey, I'm not a dev.

[modest moat]

you enjoy dying because all you got was a purple m4

[faint sundial]

Nope

But I realize the other person would be complaining if I got a Scoped AR and they got an Epic M4.

[modest moat]

exactly

so maybe... water down the thing that nobody likes to fight against?

[faint sundial]

...

[modest moat]

that ruins the fun?

[faint sundial]

The fun comes when you get a Scoped AR.

amirite?

[modest moat]

not really. it feels like cheating tbh

it’s just an m4 but better.

[faint sundial]

So if you don't want OP weapons, then why complain when other people use them?

[modest moat]

because they’re broken

i’m not arguing with this anymore, it’s impossible to change your mind and there’s no reason to anyway

[winged totem]

Lmao

@modest moat I disagree with u

I’ve killed multiple people with the gun with strategy

If u know how to deal with someone with the gun it doesn’t come that hard

[spark sparrow]

P90s are still broken

[modest moat]

@winged totem so have i. but i’ve also died JUST because someone was able to shoot out all the trees and i had no cover, and died because i just had a purple m4

[winged totem]

*epic

And I’ve killed 3 people with the epic M4

Lmao tbh I don’t think the scoped M4 needs any tweaking

It’s rare so it’s good

Something that would be out of control would be like if the scoped M4 did like 30 damage

That would need a nerf ASAP but the Scoped M4 does like 13-17 damage lmao and if u know how to get out of hard situations it’s not hard to avoid a nub with a scoped M4

[modest moat]

13-17

no it’s just 17

boi

you’ve only killed 3 people with the epic m4?

[cobalt zephyr]

Too less

[supple frigate]

If you have scoped m4 in a solo match you can't really lose

Unless your aim is crap

[ruby thunder]

The scoped M4 is the ultimate weapon

IMO the top ARs are AK, MG36, Silenced AR-15, and scoped M4.

dunno if people don't know, but uncommon AK deals 16 damage

that's on par with mythic SCAR

[slim lark]

my 2 cents on the scoped m4

I haven't ever encountered it

[spare ruin]

It's overpowered

SO

Obviously, it needs a nerf

[mental crag]

ye

[placid fulcrum]

The Scoped m4 is mythic for a reason because it’s rare rarer weapons SHOULD be more stronger than their counterparts I mean what are the chances you’ll come across one not including the fact that how rare it is but considering the fact that it can and will eventually get loss within the storm and if it doesn’t and u have to go against someone with it then who cares the game is based of skill yes a little bit of luck but u have to predict ur enemies movements and try to dodge their bullets guns have spread for a reason so the person can dodge better

And does anyone know how much damage the dragunov does I’ve never gotten it

[coral isle]

the dragunov does 77 dmg

[little raven]

hey

[placid fulcrum]

Ok thx

[stray edge]

Scoped m4 needs a damager curve, but only a slight one

[wild sleet]

agreee

[verbal brook]

Lol it’s a game

[vapid drum]

agree

[dim gull]

ranged from 75 - 85

[mild ore]

Scoped M4 is just plain VSS Mk II

Better than VSS itself (It's sh*t now)

[rigid orchid]

Eh, I think it's more balanced

[spark sparrow]

Mythic vss seems useless thanks to scoped ar